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What's going on? 
Y'all Robert Sykes? 

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Keto Savage.com. 
And today I've got special guest

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Danielle Hamilton on the line. 
She is the blood sugar expert. 

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We dive into all things blood 
sugar blood, insulin blood 

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ketones. 
See GM's glucometers, all that 

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good stuff. 
So definitely, definitely tune 

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in. 
If you want to get that dialed 

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in and kind of optimize your 
nutrition around your blood 

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sugar. 
We also do a deep dive into 

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digestion. 
She's been learning a ton about 

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digestion. 
She's been able to improve her 

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health by a focusing more on 
improving her digestion. 

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Digestion is incredibly 
important. 

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You can't. 
Not really make the most of the 

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food you're consuming. 
If your body is not even 

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absorbing what you are 
consuming. 

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So we do a deep dive into that 
as well. 

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I took a ton from this podcast. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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take something from it as well. 
So that for their do is sit 

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back, relax and enjoy the 
conversation with Danielle 

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Hamilton. 
We are live. 

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Daniel. 
How are you? 

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Good. 
I'm great, Robert. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderfully well 

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myself. 
So you are the quote unquote, 

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blood sugar experts that right. 
Yeah, I put that on Instagram. 

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So people can find me but I do 
know a thing or two about blood 

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sugar, for sure. 
I feel like everybody in the the

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keto low carb carnivore space, 
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their Journey takes an interest 
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Tracking via, you know, 
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But you've taken it to the nth 
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I kind of want to dive into what
all you've learned there, but I 

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love to kind of further. 
Start with what got you into 

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caring about this in the first 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
So my story is, of course 

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related to my own Journey as 
many of ours are here in the 

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health space. 
But you know, I was a pretty 

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sickly kid. 
Not not overly sick, but had a 

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lot of colds, flu strep throat, 
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And of course, that meant tons 
of antibiotics, I was a kid who 

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was always drawn towards sweets 
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breakfast carb, it had my name 
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I would, you know, go to a 
barbecue and eat the bun. 

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With the ketchup and no burger. 
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ask for cereal for dinner and 
you know, needless to say, my 

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health was not that great that 
we have all those antibiotics, 

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then by my senior year in high 
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I got my tonsils out because I 
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that year. 
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I ended up getting a lot of 
seasonal allergies and Asthma. 

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And then for, when I went to 
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Florida and the season for 
allergies was all year round and

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I I was allergic to palm trees 
and I mean it was like a cruel 

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joke and I really, really 
struggled and I was wondering 

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why I was so sick. 
I had so much fatigue. 

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I had so many sinus infections. 
I was like, why are there so 

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many things wrong with me? 
Why do I need three, you know, 

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prescriptions for allergies to 
inhalers. 

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I'm, you know, in my early 20s, 
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I was a speech therapist at the 
time in nursing homes, and I was

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looking at all my patients and 
they had all these lists of 

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diagnosis, and Is medications 
and it just felt like something 

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was so off. 
And no, doctor ever asked me 

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what I was eating. 
No one ever could tell me why I 

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was the way I was because I 
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is this happening to me? 
And no one to give me a reason, 

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of course. 
And so I came across Rob 

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Wolfsburg called the paleo diet 
solution and it flipped every 

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single thing. 
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I wanted to be shouting, this 
information from a rooftop later

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that, you know, transformed 
itself into having my own 

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podcast, where it was socially 
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Talking about all this stuff, 
but I was just so excited with 

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what I was learning. 
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that I had learned from 
conventional wisdom and from, 

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you know, commercials and what 
you hear Through the Grapevine, 

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just in society was all wrong. 
Everything I had Learned was 

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wrong and just basically do the 
opposite of what you've been 

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told. 
Don't fear fat lie into the fat,

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you know, healthy fats, don't 
avoid salt, have her unrefined 

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salt, you know, and mostly what 
changed for me was. 

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I took the processed foods out 
of my diet, and replace those 

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with whole real foods and it was
like a miracle and everything 

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started improving. 
I got off. 

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I didn't have to give myself 
five allergy shots anymore. 

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I didn't have to take 
medications. 

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I stopped having sinus 
infections and I was just on top

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of the world and then later that
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I had some really stressful 
stuff come up and all of a 

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sudden I started to have all 
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So I started to gain weight. 
I had a lot of fatigue. 

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I lost my good for six months. 
I had my sister, my cyclical 

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acne turned into very permanent 
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It was all the time. 
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to get rid of and it just stayed
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And I was like what happened? 
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so healthy and then I know that 
I have stress but like how could

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it be so bad for me right now? 
And I didn't think that going 

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back to what I was doing like 
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That that would be helpful. 
So I was reading and I found out

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that I probably had PCOS or 
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And for those who don't know it,
it's basically a hormonal 

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imbalance and you have certain 
symptoms like missing or 

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irregular periods. 
You have weight gain and acne 

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and then some women get facial 
hair and loss of hair growth 

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from the top of their head. 
I didn't have those last two 

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symptoms, but I had everything 
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And I looked at the advice out 
there and it was like, don't 

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have refined sugar. 
I'm like, cool. 

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I don't don't have gluten, don't
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check check. 
I'm doing all these things. 

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So since I didn't change 
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of course, I felt like I was 
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I was just struggling so much 
and so I went to a mainstream 

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doctor, a gynecologist and I 
said, listen, I can't lose 

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weight. 
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I'm working out all the time. 
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I think I have PCOS. 
I need help and he And you do 

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have PCOS. 
You you have to lose weight. 

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You have to take the pill and 
there's no cure was like what 

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the heck kind of advice is that 
that's that was terrible, you 

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know, and so I walked out of 
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He made me take the prescription
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I ripped it up when I got in my 
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more motivation to reverse this 
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And I knew in my heart that 
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reversible. 
I just I just knew it and so I 

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started to kind of dive into 
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I went to nutritional therapy 
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podcast by dr. 
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And Megan said PCOS is the 
diabetes of the ovaries and I 

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almost drove my car off the road
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hear. 
I'm like, what the heck, does 

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diabetes have to do with 
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And I was thinking back. 
I'm like, okay, what do I know 

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about diabetes? 
Something about blood sugar and 

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something about. 
Patience because I was working 

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in a nursing home and, you know,
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all I knew about it. 
So I had to go back to the books

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and look at what the heck, my 
blood sugar was doing impacting,

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you know, how it was, impacting 
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And that's when I realized that 
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early, blood sugar 
dysregulation, and insulin 

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resistance, without knowing it 
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So, if I didn't know what 
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spectrum of diabetes, How was I 
going to know these really, 

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really early warning signs that 
something's a little bit off in 

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your blood sugar. 
So for me some of the symptoms 

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were that I hated fasting for 
blood work because I went in 

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there. 
My blood sugar was 60. 

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No one batted an eye. 
No one said anything to me, but 

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yet, I felt like I was going to 
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I was shaky. 
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I was lightheaded, it felt 
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And so I definitely didn't fast.
I was someone who had to wake up

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and eat right away. 
I would get hypoglycemic after I

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had had coffee. 
I'd be shaking, I would sort of 

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pass it off to. 
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But really, it was my blood 
sugar and I was someone who 

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needed to eat before. 
I went out to eat because God 

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forbid the, you know, service 
took too long. 

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The food. 
I needed to have a granola bar 

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in my purse. 
But when I went paleo, it turned

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into a larabar in my purse. 
So I was always needing to have 

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food on me. 
I was intuitively just snacking 

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and grazing and just throwing 
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something like that throughout 
the day because I was, Was using

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this to self-medicate to keep my
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And so I and then of course, I 
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gain my whole life. 
I always was holding on to a 

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little bit of extra weight. 
It was always hard for me to 

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lose weight. 
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when I was having these issues, 
when I was on Paleo, but I think

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really changed was that now that
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I was also having high carb with
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turned into a lot of weight gain
for me and Just a bad, a bad 

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well, paleo is, you know, a 
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like not my paleo and that's not
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I was having fruit all the time.
Bananas blended in my iced 

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coffee with coconut milk and 
coconut sugar and kombucha and 

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plantain chips and smoothies and
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And like you name it, it had 
like if it was a starter, if it 

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was a fruit, it had my name on 
it and I thought it was healthy 

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sugar, but as it turns out, That
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So I learned all this sort of 
took out all those paleo dense 

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carbs and replace them with more
facts to make my diet into sort 

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of ketogenic macros. 
I started doing some fasting and

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I worked on my digestion and lo 
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My PCOS went away. 
My acne went away. 

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I lost weight. 
I never had another issue with 

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acne flares. 
I mean, it was amazing. 

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So now I became really 
passionate and helping people. 

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Cover those hidden signs of 
blood sugar issues and Insulin 

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resistant issues that are really
at the root of so many issues in

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their health. 
So yeah, that's my story. 

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No, I love. 
It's there's a lot to unpack 

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your so just to make sure I'm 
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the timeline. 
You were as a kid you rate in 

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all the processed carbohydrates 
and sugars all the breakfast 

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foods. 
That's when things are getting 

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bad, your allergies, everything 
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And then you said you started 
doing paleo in your early 

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Twenties that I hear that right?
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That's right. 
And then with that pain, Leo. 

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And paleo is interesting because
I feel like with like paleo is 

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kind of like where keto is now. 
Like there's all these foods and

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products that are coming out 
around the cage, think that and 

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when paleo blew up like that was
the case with paleo, and there 

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was just so many super high carb
paleo foods that were also high 

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in fat. 
So, just kind of like a calorie 

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bomb but not necessarily ideal. 
If you're trying to optimize for

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either fat adaptation or burning
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So it's kind of like the worst 
of Both Worlds. 

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So to speak. 
So you're probably just 

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Consuming energy and 
carbohydrates and that's when 

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things just got even even worse,
right? 

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Yep. 
That's exactly what happened. 

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And like I said, all of those 
different paleo treats that I 

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would eventually that I had it 
was just way too many calories 

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and wait, you know, I was like, 
oh, calories don't matter 

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because it's real food and you 
know, so you want to go the 

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opposite way but I think paleo 
is a great template but it needs

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to be customized for your goals.
Do you have any siblings? 

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I don't, I have one brother. 
He's very thin. 

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I'm always super thin. 
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terms of our body composition. 
He was, you know, my mom was 

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always feeding him like Twix 
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He would have peanut butter and 
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bread. 
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peanut butter and jelly on like 
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wheat. 
Something and granola bars. 

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gain some weight. 
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the quote-unquote diet foods, 
you know, in the Early early 90s

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there. 
So is there any ideas to why 

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y'all would have responded? 
So differently as a young 

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adolescent with regard to the 
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and how your blood sugar and how
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Overall. 
That's a really interesting 

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question. 
I never thought about it and no 

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one's ever asked me, but I think
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the, I don't like to use like, 
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that's like, kind of a cop-out, 
but I tend to mimic the My dad's

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families disposition. 
There's a lot of people 

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overweight, several of my 
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Have PCOS. 
They're very overweight. 

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So there, I see a lot of insulin
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heart disease in that family. 
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they're all super thin and lean,
and I think my brother takes 

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after my mom's side more. 
So I think that's, I don't know 

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if that's accurate, but that's 
my theory. 

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Gotcha. 
I gotcha. 

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So, when did you start tracking 
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Are. 
Are you Tracking your Macros and

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I'll now are you mostly just 
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blood levels are doing. 
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the beginning. 
When I first started keto back 

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in February 2018. 
I did pretty strict keto for 

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about two years, and then 
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ketosis because I felt like 
that's what my hormones were 

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asking me to do. 
And I feel really good doing 

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that, but I started tracking 
when I started keto, and only 

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did for a few weeks because I I 
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weighing, and measuring, that 
kind of thing. 

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Gives me like, adrenal fatigue 
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And then I started doing, yeah, 
using glucose monitors and kind 

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of seeing what my blood ketones 
were and seeing what my blood 

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sugar's doing to sort of guide 
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like that. 
Got you got you some more. 

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So once you kind of figured out 
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macros are in a hand full size, 
portion of Given food that you 

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started, just focusing strictly 
on what your glucose and Ketone 

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levels were telling you where 
you using just a glucometer at 

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that point. 
And what were you using to test 

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that? 
So I was using my symptoms, of 

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course, and then also my I have 
a finger prick meter and then I 

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started to get see GM's later. 
So maybe in 2020. 

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I started getting see GM's for 
the first time. 

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So I was Michael and what I tell
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of them can come from this like 
obsessive. 

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Tracking sort of background and 
it sort of sets off some of 

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these eating disorder, type 
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and micromanaging. 
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get an idea of what the macros 
are. 

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So knowing, like you said, like,
how many, what the macros are of

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a certain portion of food, and 
then being able to quote, 

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unquote, eyeball plate. 
So that you're able to sort of 

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just know what your Macros are 
more or less. 

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And that's been sort of how I've
been doing things. 

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And yeah, and I'll use the, the 
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sort of double check. 
And that's not 100% of the time.

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But because you sort of get to 
know yourself, you're like, 

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okay, this is nothing new. 
You sort of get a rhythm down 

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and know how certain things are 
going to impact your blood 

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sugar. 
And then I might throw on a CGM 

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to sort of experiment with some 
new things. 

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Or if I'm going to do some 
adding some carbs, seeing sort 

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of what my tolerances for that, 
and how my blood sugar and 

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ketones. 
Respond to that. 

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I know you. 
Not tracking your calories on a 

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regular basis. 
It may be an impossible 

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question. 
But do you notice they're being 

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a pretty profound impact on your
levels? 

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Whether you're in a caloric, 
Surplus versus a deficit? 

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Like do you ever have periods of
time where you're intentionally 

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eating less versus that have 
intentionally eating more and 

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kind of seeing how that impacts 
your blood levels. 

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Hmm. 
I don't necessarily track that. 

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So the only time I feel like I 
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would be times when I'm fasting 
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of throw off any data. 
It's not, I almost never look at

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calories and maybe that's to my 
detriment. 

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Maybe that's something I might 
want to look at. 

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But I almost never do. 
Do you do like the extended 

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fasting on a regular basis? 
No, I used to, when I first went

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paleo, when I first went Quito, 
I started He do with a three day

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water fast. 
Do not recommend. 

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Especially when you're a 
hypoglycemic. 

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Like I was so that but I did do 
a few extended fasts. 

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I did some 24-hour fasting. 
A lot of like, 18 to 20 hour 

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fasts in there, but I don't feel
like I need it as much anymore. 

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/ from having my own business 
and working so much. 

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My adrenals are a little bit 
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So I find that my body doesn't 
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fasting anymore and as longer 
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fast. 
So I don't do the extended ones 

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at the moment. 
I'm trying to work to be able to

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restore my adrenal function so I
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occasionally, dipping into those
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not right now. 
Yeah, I don't do a ton of 

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extended fasting either. 
I mean, I'll throw in an 

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extended fast on a rare occasion
if I'm in a significant caloric 

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Surplus, but I don't ever really
do it. 

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Especially if I'm not. 
I don't ever fast for an 

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extended period of time when I'm
trying to lose body fat, which 

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is I think when most people do 
it but extended fasting, when 

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I'm tracking my glucose levels 
and Ketone levels, like I get 

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some crazy numbers. 
Like I did a five-day fast few 

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years back and I think my 
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something like that. 
My ketones are seven or eight 

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which is, I think that's the 
highest I've ever seen. 

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You need those numbers. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, that's super high. 
When I was doing extended 

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fasting, my blood sugar got down
really low. 

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So, in like the 40s and 50s and 
then my ketones were quite High 

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to around the five Mark. 
So it was interesting. 

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It was kind of scary to see the 
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so great. 
And then when I had that high of

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ketones, I was like, oh wow, 
this is this, is that it's 

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working how it's supposed to at 
this point. 

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Yeah. 
That's, I mean, I was definitely

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getting hungry after about, you 
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sure. 
But I feel like, you know, most 

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people see a blood glucose level
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they just assume you're about to
pass out. 

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But I mean, my mental acuity at 
that. 

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It was just on fire and I feel 
like that was just combination 

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of the low blood sugar paired 
with the hierarchy tones, but it

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is definitely interesting to see
how doing extreme things like 

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that. 
Impact the numbers. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
And I think that, you know, for 

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people who do struggle with 
hypoglycemia those numbers, I 

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mean, even some of my clients 
being in the 80's 90's. 

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Hundreds feels like they're 
going to die, feels like they're

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going to pass out, but when your
body is Quito and fat adapted 

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and you can run on those 
alternative fuel sources, it 

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doesn't matter. 
What your blood sugar is doing? 

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So that's kind of the goal with 
a lot of my clients to get them 

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to be able to run off of these 
other fuel sources. 

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So that their blood sugar is not
such an issue and can start to 

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stabilize in the meantime. 
Totally, totally. 

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I don't remember when it was, I 
think it was like, I don't know,

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probably six months ago. 
There was all this flak out 

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there towards see GM's in the, 
not so much, the keto space. 

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But just in the, you know, I 
guess the, the Bro Health space,

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all the Bros were, like, people 
that you see, GM's that aren't 

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diabetic and wasting their time 
and money, which I Frustration 

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with because I feel like, see 
GM's are incredibly insightful. 

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I don't, do you remember that 
time? 

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It was it was like a big deal 
for like six months ago. 

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I think I I do not actually, I 
don't know how I missed it. 

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But I dunno I guess because I 
don't like maybe in the the Bro 

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Fitness Community like some of 
those like calorie people might 

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think that but I'm not 
necessarily in that world as 

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much. 
So I didn't catch that, but I 

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think I do think that see GM's 
and any sort of like, Like when 

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we're tracking, there are going 
to be pros and cons to it 

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because we can tend to overdo it
and sort of maybe fix things 

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that didn't need fixing. 
But for the most part, the value

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that you get from a CGM is so 
insightful. 

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And so, so helpful. 
So I have actually, I'm working 

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with my chiropractor. 
We're sort of bartering 

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services, and so, I gave her CGM
and she's, she's sending me all 

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her her grass and stuff. 
And she's like, oh my goodness. 

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This is the most like crazy 
amount of information. 

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I can never get. 
This is so great. 

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So she sends me this graph and 
she's like, what do you think 

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about this breakfast? 
And I'm like, oh, that's kind of

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spiky, a little high. 
It's kind of taking a little 

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while for it to come down. 
Like, here are some tips to 

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help, you know, improve that 
that glucose outcome. 

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Let's try those tomorrow. 
So she, she said that she's 

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like, okay, how about this 
graph? 

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So she sends me to grasp the 
next day and I'm like, oh, this 

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is perfect. 
What did you do? 

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She's like I wasn't at work. 
Oh my god. 

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Oh, yeah. 
So, she sends me the difference 

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between the weekend days and 
then when she's at work, she's 

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getting all these crazy Spike. 
She's like, I didn't even eat 

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here. 
I didn't even eat here and it's 

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spiking all day and she's like, 
oh my goodness. 

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I never knew how much this was 
impacting. 

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My physiology. 
Like I knew, I might feel a 

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little stressed, or I knew I 
might maybe get a little 

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emotional or something like 
that. 

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But I had no idea the 
physiological toll this is 

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taking on my body and it's 
making her sort of, second. 

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Guess, you know, how she's 
running her business and her 

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practice because He's like, it's
running me into the ground. 

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It's so crazy that I could be so
healthy when I'm not at work. 

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So I just think, you know, 
between those non-food things 

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that we can't, we're not like 
measuring. 

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Oh, I'm going to check every 10 
minutes for the next, you know, 

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two hours to see what happens 
after this meeting or, you know,

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overnight when we can't be 
checking our blood sugar. 

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I think it's really, really 
helpful for a lot of those 

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things, and a lot of those other
factors. 

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Those non-food factors as well. 
Yeah, totally Agree, I feel 

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like, you know as anything 
that's tracking and data driven.

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You can definitely take it to 
the nth degree. 

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That is unhealthy, but I'm a 
data. 

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Junkie. 
So I like drooling in on, you 

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know, what, my CG. 
M-- data is showing what my or 

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ring with my garments. 
I gotta like all that stuff. 

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Yes. 
A deep dive on. 

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See GM's, continuous glucose 
monitors here, because a lot of 

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people have not used them are 
cures to use them. 

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Which one are you typically use 
like the Libre? 

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So I have I have used both the 
Libre and the decks comma use 

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the Dexcom one time. 
I got it from a company called 

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cygnus and I really really liked
it. 

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So I am used to the Libre and 
that one has a little bit more 

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of a margin of error. 
So I always recommend that 

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people if they are getting a CGM
to also get a finger prick 

447
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,200
glucometer as well because those
tend to be a little bit more 

448
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,500
accurate. 
So we like to see GM's for more 

449
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,400
of the pattern of What's going 
on? 

450
00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:47,800
And then you might know like, 
oh, you know, it's may be 

451
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,100
trending 10 points, too high or 
something. 

452
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:54,100
So you can mentally sort of 
subtract but it still gives you 

453
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,500
great information. 
So there are those pros and cons

454
00:22:56,500 --> 00:23:01,600
of it and one thing that I don't
like about the Libre, if you 

455
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,500
just get the regular one, you 
can't change. 

456
00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,200
What is it calibrate? 
The meter. 

457
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200
So if it is running 10 points, 
too high, you can't calibrate it

458
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,900
in the app, but with the Dexcom 
you can, you can sort of see Up,

459
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,600
and then I think the Libre to 
which I believe neutral sense 

460
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,000
uses. 
You can calibrate it up or down 

461
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,400
by I believe 20. 
Yeah when I got I got a couple 

462
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,900
through nutritients and it was 
registering like 15 or 20 

463
00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:30,400
points. 
Hi from me. 

464
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,000
So I had to calibrate it down. 
Like I just test it with ya 

465
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,900
glucometer. 
And then I just, you know down 

466
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:38,400
regulated by the 15 or 20 point.
Mark the there's a couple of 

467
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,100
companies doing the libran are 
right like nutria sense does the

468
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:44,300
Libre and then there's another 
one called level I believe and 

469
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,800
They're using the Libre to, 
right? 

470
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:51,700
Yeah, so neutral sense and 
levels are using the Libre the 

471
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:55,700
Libre to I believe there is a 
company called taster moneill. 

472
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,700
And this is definitely the 
cheapest way to get a CGM. 

473
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,300
So in the u.s. you need a 
prescription to get one if you 

474
00:24:02,308 --> 00:24:04,400
didn't know. 
And so what testimonial does 

475
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:08,200
they do have a program where you
can get a box of food. 

476
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,100
And so they have these different
kind of like low-carb keto type 

477
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:17,300
foods and They're doing is 
having a bunch of people put on 

478
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:20,200
see GM's, eat this food and test
their blood sugar. 

479
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,700
So they can see sort of a 
general response to what blood 

480
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:28,300
sugar does with a certain food, 
which I love that idea for the 

481
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,900
data, but you can if you don't 
want those foods, which I didn't

482
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:34,400
want them. 
You can just scroll down on 

483
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,000
their website to where it says 
ask first egm prescription and 

484
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,900
then you purchase the 
prescription through them to get

485
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,900
the the CGM and they do the A on
there. 

486
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:46,800
So that's a good option for a 
lot of people. 

487
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:50,600
And then signals does the 
Dexcom. 

488
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,500
And so, I've been really liking 
their interface a lot on on 

489
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,300
signals. 
Because when you start spiking 

490
00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:01,300
and I asked, you know, what is 
it that, you know, how fast is 

491
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,800
your blood sugar go up that, you
know, it'll tell you this and 

492
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,800
they said it's a very 
complicated algorithm. 

493
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,400
But what happens is, if your 
blood sugar is spiking to a 

494
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,700
certain degree, it will alert 
you and it will say, you know, 

495
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:17,700
your blood Spiking, you have the
next 20 minutes to sort of 

496
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,800
mitigate the spike. 
And so it recommends like go for

497
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,400
a walk for 10 minutes. 
Do some squats and blah blah 

498
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,700
blah. 
So I really like that idea of 

499
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:29,900
being proactive with your blood 
sugar and I like that the 

500
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:34,700
interface allows you to sort of 
take action and not just like 

501
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,500
give you this data. 
So I thought that was pretty 

502
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:38,400
cool. 
And that's through signals. 

503
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,800
You said. 
Yep. 

504
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Now is that like is that like a 
partner company with next comp 

505
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,900
because I haven't been able to 
find And how to get a Dexcom 

506
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,900
unless I go through a doctor and
go there, the whole traditional 

507
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,100
round. 
Yeah. 

508
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:52,200
No II don't know how they have 
them. 

509
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,800
But that's the device that they 
have that they work with. 

510
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,600
So, I don't know if it's a 
partner company. 

511
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,900
I don't know how they do it, but
I'm definitely going to be 

512
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:03,200
working more with them in the 
future. 

513
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,500
So, I was just trying out the 
device from them. 

514
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,900
Nice, nice. 
So, you know, the times that 

515
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,000
you've used to CGM. 
What are some? 

516
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,400
What are some common trends that
you see personally and amongst 

517
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,600
your clients So for anybody? 
Anything kind of know what to 

518
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,000
expect, or what, are some common
pattern recognition that you can

519
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,300
kind of look out for as relates 
to looking at the CGM data. 

520
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,700
Yeah. 
So I mean, basic rule of thumb 

521
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,500
is that we don't really want our
blood sugar to rise, more than 

522
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,900
30 milligrams per deciliter at a
meal or else that starts to 

523
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:35,800
become too high of an insulin 
Spike and starts to become a 

524
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,500
little bit inflammatory for the 
body. 

525
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,700
In general. 
We really want our levels to 

526
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:43,400
stay under 140 because above 
that can be inflammatory, but 

527
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,800
with blood sugar, there's No, 
like exact line that you cross 

528
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,400
and then then it's a big 
problem. 

529
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:52,100
It's sort of these patterns over
and over day after day which 

530
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:56,600
have the biggest impact. 
So for people who want to stay 

531
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
in ketosis, we really don't want
to see blood sugar. 

532
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Probably maybe going over the 
110 Mark. 

533
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:07,300
But again people have these 
different it. 

534
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,100
There's so much bio 
individuality that you can't say

535
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:13,400
that a certain blood sugar 
number would cause someone to 

536
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,400
have like To be kicked out of 
ketosis or not. 

537
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600
So again, I like the idea of 
sort of measuring your ketones. 

538
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,200
If you're wanting to sort of see
what your insulin is doing. 

539
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,200
So those are some things to sort
of keep an eye out for and so 

540
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,800
some things that you might look 
for or CR that if your blood 

541
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,000
sugar is going down too low at 
the end of a meal. 

542
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000
So let's say it starts at 80 and
then it goes up a little bit and

543
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,100
then it goes down to like 70 or 
60. 

544
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,000
That would be more of a 
hypoglycemic or Response and 

545
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,800
that hypoglycemia can happen 
anywhere from like immediately 

546
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,100
after the meal. 
Some people experience it as 

547
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:55,000
they're eating, which I find 
crazy and that can happen all 

548
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
the way up to 5 hours later. 
So where the blood sugar is 

549
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,600
going to low. 
Oftentimes, you might see dips 

550
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,100
at night. 
Sometimes this is because you're

551
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,200
laying on the sensor, so I like 
that. 

552
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,800
The Dexcom allows you to put the
sensor on your stomach because 

553
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,800
we lay on our arm a lot of 
times. 

554
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,900
And so you might see these real 
Like steep dips at night. 

555
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:22,300
If you are waking up with like a
pounding heart and you or you 

556
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,200
feel hungry, you need to eat, 
you feel faint. 

557
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,400
You feel like you're having a 
panic attack, that is a sign of 

558
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,000
a blood sugar crash. 
So you would probably see that 

559
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,200
on your meter. 
I do see that some people have 

560
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,700
high blood sugar over night, and
the people who I see this with 

561
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,300
tend to have some sort of stress
going on. 

562
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:43,400
So a friend of mine who is 
wearing a CGM, she had this 

563
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,500
going on and she's thing with a 
lot of mold. 

564
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,700
So that was sort of her pattern 
at Night. 

565
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:53,000
My intends to go really low at 
night and go like, the alarm 

566
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200
goes off on the Dexcom. 
I have to turn my phone off 

567
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,700
because it goes so low, but I'm 
fat adapted. 

568
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,800
So it can go low. 
It doesn't wake me up. 

569
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,600
It's not a bad thing. 
So that's sort of alluding back 

570
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,200
to what we were talking about. 
Earlier that your blood sugar 

571
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,300
can go low. 
When you are fasting, if you are

572
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,700
fat adapted and it will not be a
stressful thing for your body. 

573
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,200
If you're However, it might wake
you up. 

574
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,700
You might wake up feeling really
exhausted and you would probably

575
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,200
probably notice and there's some
instances kind of like the exact

576
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,200
opposite of that in which you 
may be fat adapted. 

577
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,300
It makes sense for to go higher.
For instance, when I was wearing

578
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,200
mine, you know, I typically 
would hang around like the 70 

579
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,100
milligrams per deciliter Mark, 
but then I would work out and 

580
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,500
then my CGM would say like 
immediately post workout. 

581
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:41,100
It would be like as high as 120 
or something crazy, but then it 

582
00:29:41,108 --> 00:29:43,700
would level off, you know, 
shortly after my body kind of 

583
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:47,100
equalize. 
Aged, yeah, and so during stress

584
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,100
like stressful periods. 
That's also when we're going to 

585
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:52,300
see these little spikes on the 
glue. 

586
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:55,600
Come on the CGM. 
So, a workout where you're, you 

587
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,200
know, getting your heart rate 
up, that's going to be a 

588
00:29:57,208 --> 00:29:59,300
stressor for the body. 
It's going to liberate glucose. 

589
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:00,900
And so we're going to see that 
go up. 

590
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,700
We also see it during showers 
with infrared saunas and even 

591
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,500
just stressful events. 
So, some of those hormetic 

592
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:12,500
stressors, like the exercise, 
the sauna we, it's totally okay 

593
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:15,500
to have those spikes in there. 
As long as your body can handle 

594
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,300
them, if you're someone with 
reactive hypoglycemia, or you 

595
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,000
feel terrible after you feel 
really exhausted after that, 

596
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,100
means your body. 
It was too much of a stress for 

597
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,200
your body, going into the area 
of you stress as opposed to the 

598
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,000
hormetic stressor, but over all 
those spikes that you see after 

599
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,300
a workout and after an infrared 
sauna session, that's actually 

600
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,900
going to improve your insulin 
sensitivity and your blood sugar

601
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:41,500
regulation over time. 
So those are totally okay, but 

602
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:44,900
one thing that surprised me is 
one morning I was This was when 

603
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:49,100
I was working in an office and I
was late for work, and I was 

604
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,800
getting ready and I hadn't eaten
that morning and I get to the 

605
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,300
office and scan my my cgn, and 
it showed like a big spike and I

606
00:30:57,308 --> 00:30:58,600
was like, what did I eat this 
morning? 

607
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,700
I was like, oh, I didn't eat. 
It was just, I was rushing 

608
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,000
around, trying to get ready. 
So that's that stressor. 

609
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Again, that acute stressor can 
cause that blip in the system 

610
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,000
and then the chronic stress when
we see high levels of stress all

611
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,200
the time. 
We just tell And to see these 

612
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,500
the blood sugar numbers rising 
over time. 

613
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:22,400
So where you're hanging out 
around the 70s, other people 

614
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,900
might be hanging out around like
the hundreds, you know, when 

615
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:29,400
tens when 20s and upwards just 
throughout their day. 

616
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:30,900
Gotcha. 
I gotcha. 

617
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,700
What about I've heard of a few 
people in like the carnivore 

618
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,500
space, for instance, who are 
consuming a lot more protein. 

619
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,300
Still a pretty good amount of 
dietary fat, but maybe not so 

620
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:42,500
much. 
So as they would, if they were 

621
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,200
following more of a traditional 
ketogenic. 

622
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,600
It still very minimal 
carbohydrate or zero 

623
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200
carbohydrates are doing 
carnivore and they'll start to 

624
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,200
see slightly higher blood 
glucose levels at Baseline. 

625
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Is that normal? 
Is that fine? 

626
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,700
What's your take on that? 
So I don't necessarily have a 

627
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,600
take on that, but I see that all
the time. 

628
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,300
It's just that high level of 
protein is kind of, you know, 

629
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:07,400
the gluconeogenesis were just 
getting a little bit more sugar 

630
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,100
in the system and then it tends 
to be a little bit higher over 

631
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:11,900
time. 
I think that we don't 

632
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:15,800
necessarily know enough about 
What that looks like for a long 

633
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,900
period of time if that's ok if 
it's not. 

634
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:23,500
Okay, so I don't really have a 
you know a good opinion on it. 

635
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,500
What do you think about that? 
I think that I mean as long as 

636
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,300
it's like within a healthy 
range, like if they're consuming

637
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,700
more protein that this this is 
interesting. 

638
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,000
So there I'm all for protein 
like a lot of people are you 

639
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,300
know in favor of protein. 
Lot of people are human eyes in 

640
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,000
proteins. 
It's a strange thing protein 

641
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,200
right now, but my whole take on 
it is consume as much protein as

642
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:47,100
As you can without any adverse 
effects, but a lot of people 

643
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,300
have consumed in excess and 
there is certainly an upper 

644
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,800
threshold to it. 
Your body would tolerate 

645
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,500
optimally, because if you're, if
you're trying to optimize your 

646
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:59,500
body composition, if you trying 
to get enough protein in and 

647
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:02,900
then you take in an Xs and go 
beyond that threshold, then 

648
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:06,400
you're basically stealing from 
the energy that you could be 

649
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,700
consuming and setting. 
If you're if you were to equate 

650
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,800
calories, for instance, and make
that Surplus beyond what is 

651
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200
necessary for building muscle 
and repairing. 

652
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,100
Recovering. 
And then any of extra protein 

653
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,800
you're consuming is is basically
going to be inefficiently used 

654
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,900
as energy through 
gluconeogenesis where you could 

655
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,700
have just consumed that in 
dietary fat and if you're a fat 

656
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:27,300
adapted that would be a better 
source of energy. 

657
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,800
So that's kind of my around the 
bound, take on it. 

658
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Yeah, and I agree with that too.
So, you know, the body can't 

659
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,300
store excess amino acid, so it's
going to convert it to glucose. 

660
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,200
So if you get that in the form 
of fat, then you can utilize 

661
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,100
that better as energy if you're 
fat. 

662
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,600
Adopted and yeah, love that. 
Totally what about testing 

663
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,100
ketones via the breathalyzers 
testing for acetones. 

664
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:55,100
Become a lot more popular 
recently to you. 

665
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,000
You put much stock in that, 
right? 

666
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,100
I am not a fan of the breath. 
M. 

667
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:05,100
I got one and I just I find like
it takes a long time to 

668
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,800
calibrate. 
Its got like countdown. 

669
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,199
It's just to me. 
I feel like the blood, the, you 

670
00:34:10,207 --> 00:34:13,500
know, testing through the blood 
is just tried and true. 

671
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:15,000
I'm familiar. 
A ranges. 

672
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,300
I feel like that's what I've 
gotten used to. 

673
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,800
Maybe I'm too old school on this
and I need to adapt, but I just 

674
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,400
haven't. 
I know that it is a good way of 

675
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,000
testing as opposed to like 
peeing on urine strips. 

676
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,000
That's a poor way of testing. 
So it is a good measure but I 

677
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,600
don't personally use it very 
often. 

678
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,800
Do you know it's interesting. 
I've had, you know, I've tried 

679
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,300
several of them. 
I've tried several of them. 

680
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:42,500
Like I remember when level, I 
think it's a totally separate 

681
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,800
company than the CGM. 
But there was a company called 

682
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,300
level for breathalyzers that was
way back in, like, 2000 17 or 

683
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,000
18, I believe and I was testing 
that out and I've tested several

684
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,500
of them since. 
And I think they're their 

685
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,300
stances that basically by 
testing the breath, ketones are 

686
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,600
able to see how much of these 
ketones your body's actually 

687
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,600
using, which if it was very 
accurate. 

688
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,300
I like that concept, but I don't
know that the science and 

689
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,300
technology is to a point where 
that can be. 

690
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,600
Truly what it is accurately 
depicted because I do a lot of 

691
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,400
the recommendations they give, I
don't put much stock in the 

692
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,700
recommendations. 
Like I don't think that it's 

693
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:24,500
going to accurately say, hey, 
look, you're you're burning fat 

694
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:25,800
Now. 
Versus now you're not burning 

695
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,600
fat and they're trying to Market
themselves as metabolic readers,

696
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:33,300
and I don't know that we've 
gotten enough advancement to 

697
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,500
accurately measure metabolism in
that regard. 

698
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200
I agree with that and so I 
haven't tried some of those 

699
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,300
devices that tell you. 
It's like, oh, you're in a fat 

700
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:45,000
burning mode. 
And this, it's like, I feel like

701
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,900
I've tried that and I had just 
eaten carbs and it's like oh 

702
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,700
you're in fat burning. 
Or I don't feel like the 

703
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:54,100
technology is fully there yet. 
And I was talking to a friend 

704
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,100
and she's like we could put a 
bit a man on the moon but we 

705
00:35:56,107 --> 00:35:58,400
can't accurately. 
No, measure blood sugar. 

706
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000
And when I really want to see is
a continuous insulin monitor, 

707
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,800
you know, like where where is 
the technology on this? 

708
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,300
I want to pay money to have this
done because I think this would 

709
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:11,900
be the best thing that we can 
ever get. 

710
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:16,700
So I do know of a company that 
Is home fasting insulin testing.

711
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:21,500
It's called so well, and I'm 
excited to test my fasting 

712
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,500
insulin. 
I got a kit. 

713
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:27,000
So I'm going to test mine soon. 
But you know, the insulin is 

714
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,800
really what we really really 
want to know about. 

715
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:30,900
Yes. 
This is interesting. 

716
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:35,200
So I totally agree. 
I feel like a continuous insulin

717
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,700
monitor would be by far the most
most actionable form of testing 

718
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,300
where the data is going to 
literally depict how we, you 

719
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,600
know, make choices of words. 
And our nutrition throughout the

720
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,900
day. 
When it comes to things that can

721
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:52,900
be impacting insulin, but aren't
necessarily showing up on a CGM 

722
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:54,500
or glucometer. 
What are some things that come 

723
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:58,500
to mind for you there? 
Things like like vegetable oils,

724
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:02,500
increasing our resistance to 
insulin and possibly making it 

725
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,500
hang out a little bit longer in 
the blood. 

726
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:05,600
I'm not sure if it works like 
that. 

727
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,000
But yeah, just, I mean some of 
those stressors. 

728
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,300
But again, we could see that on 
the CGM. 

729
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,800
What did you take on the 
cephalic phase of insulin 

730
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,400
response? 
Do you put much weight in that? 

731
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,900
I'm actually not familiar with 
that. 

732
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,000
So that's kind of like, how big 
a way to find it. 

733
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,500
Basically. 
Like if you, if you taste 

734
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:32,400
something sweet, your body, your
brain is going to be receiving 

735
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,700
the signal that, hey, something 
sweet is coming, which it 

736
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,900
typically is used to that being 
sugar. 

737
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,300
So it increases insulin 
secretion. 

738
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:42,000
So you're basically getting an 
insulin response. 

739
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Even if you're not really fully 
ingesting anything, but 

740
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,400
basically just having that sweet
sensation on your tongue. 

741
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,500
You also like, even if you're 
just thinking about food, Your 

742
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,900
body is building up all these 
mechanisms for the digestion 

743
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,600
process. 
That's one of the big arguments 

744
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,700
against a lot of artificial 
sweeteners. 

745
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,900
But for me, I've noticed that a 
lot of people they'll they'll 

746
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,500
eat something that doesn't 
really have that big of an 

747
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,600
impact on blood glucose. 
For instance, many of these 

748
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,000
artificial sweeteners and 
natural sweeteners to aren't 

749
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800
really going to be, you know, 
high on the glycemic index 

750
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,500
scale, but they'll notice many 
of the same symptoms that 

751
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:18,300
they'll notice if it were to 
have been coming from sugar, if 

752
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,300
that makes sense. 
Yes, absolutely. 

753
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:22,100
And I'm very familiar with what 
you're talking about. 

754
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:26,300
I just forgot the name of it. 
So this is when I tried like a 

755
00:38:26,308 --> 00:38:28,900
Lily's chocolate bar because it 
had like the stevia and 

756
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:32,500
erythritol in it. 
And what I saw my CGM is a dip 

757
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,100
and in the blood sugar and so 
you can see that you're getting 

758
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:39,800
a an insulin response without 
having the blood sugar response 

759
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,400
to then the blood sugar goes 
down. 

760
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,800
I see this a lot in people who 
are extra sensitive to to just 

761
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,400
blood sugar in general with a 
lot of Reactive hypoglycemia 

762
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,100
clients, they experienced this a
lot. 

763
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:56,700
So a lot of these electrolytes 
out there for keto that have all

764
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:00,400
these sweeteners in them. 
And I think that is just setting

765
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,400
you up for so many cravings and 
all these things because you're 

766
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,500
getting the insulin, whether 
it's just a small amount or not.

767
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,400
I think it really impacts when 
there's no food in the system 

768
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,400
like all these processes. 
Like you said are at work and 

769
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,100
then your body is like Hey, 
where's the food? 

770
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,500
I thought we were getting it. 
So it will send that like 

771
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,600
physiological. 
I'll drive for you to seek it 

772
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,200
out and I'll notice if I have 
some sort of like a Redmond, 

773
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,100
Real Salt, like the relight or 
like the the element when I 

774
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:33,400
drink those, the flavored ones, 
all they'll hit my lips. 

775
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,400
I feel like Frank the Tank and I
just chug them and I'm like, 

776
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,900
what just happened. 
You know, what, like, how is 

777
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,800
this happening to me? 
Why did, why did that was that? 

778
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,000
My response and I was drinking, 
like five of these things a day.

779
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,200
I'm like I need to stop. 
It is so so addictive. 

780
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,000
So I think that part Part of it 
has to do with that insula genic

781
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,900
response that we get to these 
these foods that are sweetened 

782
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,900
but not containing actual sugar.
Yeah. 

783
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:01,900
I totally agree. 
I feel like there's, it's 

784
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:03,900
interesting because there's a 
lot of people that point to 

785
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,100
studies that show. 
Hey, look, if you're, you know, 

786
00:40:06,107 --> 00:40:08,600
controlling for calories, 
there's not really any any 

787
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,100
negative outcome that comes from
artificial sweeteners or sweet 

788
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,900
Foods. 
There's no increase in you know,

789
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:17,300
that driving more caloric 
consumption, etc. 

790
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,300
Etc. 
But I know too many people 

791
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,600
People especially in the keto 
low-carb space. 

792
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,900
I don't know if it's a 
psychological response due to 

793
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,200
them having an addictive 
tendency towards sweet processed

794
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800
foods, but for whatever reason, 
I mean, I know way too many 

795
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,300
people that that's a point to 
that say. 

796
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:35,300
Hey, look, if I eat something 
sweet, my level of satiety is 

797
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,600
incredibly diminished. 
My tendency to overindulge is 

798
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,000
incredibly heightened like that 
to me, lets me know that maybe 

799
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,200
it's just a psychological 
response, but I'm leaning 

800
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,100
towards it. 
Having some physiological 

801
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,100
implications for sure. 
Yeah. 

802
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:52,100
I absolutely think it. 
As and then there's I'm not sure

803
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:54,900
about this but like the sweet 
receptors that we have in our 

804
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:58,000
gut as well. 
So I think that that could have 

805
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400
something to do with it as well.
I mean anything that's going to 

806
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
impact our gut bacteria, make 
them think sugars coming. 

807
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,700
They're sort of all excited that
you know, something's coming. 

808
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,300
I do think it is very 
physiological and especially if 

809
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,700
you do get a little dip in your 
in your glucose, I call that the

810
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,200
Cravings own when your glucose 
is going down. 

811
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,100
It automatically is sending 
signals to your body to like, 

812
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:21,900
Hey, we need more energy because
the glucose is going down. 

813
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:26,200
So I feel like when the insulins
around that is sort of a 

814
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,800
byproduct of that. 
Yeah, I totally agree. 

815
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:32,700
What's your take on vegetables? 
Like when you've tested with a 

816
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:36,200
CGM? 
Do you notice much response from

817
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,900
you know, increased vegetable 
intake, especially through 

818
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,400
eating vegetables in isolation 
without a bunch of proteins and 

819
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,400
fats. 
I don't know that I've eaten 

820
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,300
vegetables by themselves without
proteins and fats. 

821
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:54,200
I I'm honestly looking at 
vegetables more from a digested 

822
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,700
perspective, lately that I feel 
like I do better with fewer 

823
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,800
vegetables as vegetables, are 
causing me kind of some 

824
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,600
bloating. 
I do have some gut issues that 

825
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,700
I'm working on. 
So but I don't really notice, 

826
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,700
you know, I mean, they're CGM, 
experiments out there having 

827
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:12,600
some non-starchy vegetables at 
the beginning of the meal can 

828
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,100
help to reduce the blood sugar 
response from the meal because 

829
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,500
the fiber is slowing down the 
absorption of the glucose. 

830
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
So I can see it being beneficial
in that way. 

831
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,200
But was there anything more 
specific about like starchy or 

832
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,500
non-starchy vegetables? 
Well, I've like, just personally

833
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,500
anecdotally, I've noticed that, 
you know, a lot of people Point 

834
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,200
towards vegetables was being 
incredibly satiating and that's 

835
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200
probably true in the context of 
a mixed diet in which you are 

836
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
consuming more carbohydrates and
glucose and it's kind of helping

837
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,600
to mitigate that Spike. 
But in the context of Aikido 

838
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,300
low-carb carnivore diet, I don't
find in any. 

839
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:50,500
Any increase in satiety with 
vegetables of calories are 

840
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,900
equated. 
When I feel like there probably 

841
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:57,000
is honestly, I feel like there's
there's probably a little bit 

842
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,600
less absorption of nutrients. 
If you're eating more vegetables

843
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,400
paired with proteins and fence 
and you can kind of bypass I'm 

844
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,900
going to cut for instance and 
I'm my calories are lower, you 

845
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,500
know, getting ready for a 
competition. 

846
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:11,800
I noticed more satiety in the 
absence of vegetables. 

847
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,300
I think it's because my body is 
absorbing the proteins and fats 

848
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,400
and better without the 
vegetables. 

849
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,200
And I feel like I'm probably 
having less of a glucose 

850
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,800
response from the vegetables, 
but It's not going to be a 

851
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,300
drastic, you know, Spike or 
drop, you know with most 

852
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:26,900
vegetables, but that's just 
something I've personally 

853
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,200
noticed. 
Yeah, and I think you're right 

854
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,900
to, so, if I'm eating a lot of 
protein, it's sort of like the 

855
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:36,100
fiber, and the roughage can take
up, space in your stomach and 

856
00:43:36,107 --> 00:43:39,500
make you feel temporarily full 
more like that physical full. 

857
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:43,500
But when you get a lot of 
protein and fat which are, you 

858
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:46,300
know, we know that they're the 
most satiating macronutrients 

859
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,400
and like, you can't really over,
eat protein and a meal. 

860
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,000
Like, when you have that 
satiety, It cut off. 

861
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,300
I think that I feel more 
satiated as well. 

862
00:43:56,500 --> 00:44:02,700
I think that sometimes perhaps 
the this, like pattern of eating

863
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:06,500
that we might have like, taken 
from where we came from, maybe 

864
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,200
like the standard American diet 
or something like wanting to 

865
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,700
have something crunchy, or 
wanting to have something sweet.

866
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,800
At the end of a meal. 
We might feel like, something's 

867
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,600
missing. 
But in terms of actual satiety 

868
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,600
and fullness, we might be fully 
full. 

869
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, what's been your deep dive

870
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,100
into digestion lately. 
You said you're talking, you're 

871
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,600
kind of leaning more towards 
then, learn more about that. 

872
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

873
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:34,200
So when I went to nutritional 
therapy school, the thing that I

874
00:44:34,207 --> 00:44:39,200
was most Blown Away with was 
digestion and I think that a lot

875
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,700
of people, what I see happen is 
that, you know, first of all, 

876
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,300
I'll tell someone. 
Oh, you know what, I think you 

877
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,300
need to look at digestion. 
They're like, oh no, my desk 

878
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,200
digestions fine. 
I take a probiotic and it Goes 

879
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,200
to show like how little we know 
about digestion. 

880
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,000
I used to think that Justin was 
just this, like, on-and-off 

881
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,100
switch, like you eat, you 
digest. 

882
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,100
It comes out. 
Like, almost like a blender, you

883
00:45:01,107 --> 00:45:03,500
know, like you put it in, you 
blend it and then you pour it 

884
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,900
out. 
Like, that's how I saw it 

885
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:07,600
digestion worked. 
But what I didn't know is that 

886
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,400
there's so many factors that can
impact digestion, and we need to

887
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,700
think about it, like this 
north-to-south process. 

888
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,200
So, first off, we need to be in 
a parasympathetic state in order

889
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,300
to digest when we're in a 
sympathetic fight, or flight, 

890
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,800
stay our He stops producing 
stomach acid. 

891
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,900
It stops producing saliva, bile.
It stops peristalsis in the 

892
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,600
intestines. 
So we need to be in this column 

893
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,700
rested State. 
And most of us, myself included,

894
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,800
do not chew enough chewing 
actually activates the 

895
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,100
parasympathetic nervous system, 
which is helpful. 

896
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,500
We also need to be sitting, I 
used to be the queen of standing

897
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,500
and eating. 
So we need to sit rest, chew our

898
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,700
food really, really well in 
order to start activating. 

899
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:52,900
All of the processes and the 
liquids, and digestive enzymes 

900
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:55,800
and things that we need to 
actually break down the food. 

901
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,100
We are so disconnected from 
digestion that we don't realize 

902
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,400
that all the nutrients that our 
body needs. 

903
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,700
We need to extract them from the
foods that were eating. 

904
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:08,500
So we don't run on steak, we run
on the amino acids and the zinc,

905
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:10,900
and the minerals, and the 
vitamins that are in the state. 

906
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:13,100
Great. 
So we need to think, okay. 

907
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:17,400
I need to take this hunk of me 
and break it down into these 

908
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,300
microscopic particles that Body 
can absorb and utilize. 

909
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:24,800
So that's really what I talk 
about when I'm saying digestion.

910
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,800
So we're talking about the 
breaking down and absorption of 

911
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,700
food. 
So when we think about it in 

912
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,500
that context, like I said, we 
need to be a sympathetic then we

913
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,400
need to have sufficient stomach 
acid. 

914
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,000
So I see a lot and people who 
are starting to do a lower carb 

915
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,500
diet that they always have these
digestive issues when they start

916
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,300
keto, how often have you heard 
like, oh now I'm constipated 

917
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:46,800
now. 
Food is running right through 

918
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,000
me. 
I try to change my diet, but I 

919
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,900
just it can't even look at me 
anymore. 

920
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,600
I don't have a gallbladder or I 
have gallbladder issues. 

921
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,000
So a lot of these things come up
and they come from this poor. 

922
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:02,700
When we have a bad diet growing 
up which most of us have had 

923
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:05,000
because that's the food that 
they're selling us and telling 

924
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000
us we need to eat, right? 
So it's no one's fault, but we 

925
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,100
come to this having broken 
digestive systems. 

926
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,600
So we're not in in rest and 
digest were eating on the go. 

927
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
We're eating really fast. 
We're not chewing and then we 

928
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,400
don't have enough stomach. 
So when we don't have enough 

929
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,500
stomach acid, we might have a 
loss of a taste for meat food. 

930
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,700
Feels like it's it's like a 
stomach, a rock in your stomach.

931
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:32,400
You might have burping gas or 
bloating like about an within an

932
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,300
hour after eating. 
I know that, my tell, if I 

933
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:39,000
haven't supported my stomach 
acid enough, is that I'll start 

934
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
burping, I'm like, oh no, I 
forgot to take my HCL. 

935
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,400
And then, we also can have bits 
of undigested food in our stool.

936
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,100
We might have fingernails that 
chip and peel. 

937
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,100
And break easily. 
We might have a loss of a taste 

938
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,500
for breakfast. 
We might not be hungry in the 

939
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:55,900
morning. 
We might feel better. 

940
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,000
If we don't eat, we might get 
heartburn. 

941
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,500
So heartburn and indigestion is 
often a sign of to little 

942
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:06,300
stomach acid, not too much and 
then same thing, sort of 

943
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:07,900
lumping, the pancreatic enzymes 
in there. 

944
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,100
If we don't have enough stomach 
acid. 

945
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:13,100
It doesn't trigger the pancreas 
to produce all the enzymes that 

946
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,600
the pancreas produces. 
Also, if we have this blood 

947
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,200
sugar that's super out of 
control. 

948
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,900
And we are always needing so 
much insulin. 

949
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,500
Pancreas is an organ that 
produces hormones, but also 

950
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:27,100
these digestive enzymes and so 
it might be too fatigued and run

951
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:31,800
down to or not have enough, you 
know, nutrients to be able to 

952
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,700
produce all these enzymes. 
So then we get further lack of 

953
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,200
absorption. 
And the biggest problem with no 

954
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,300
stomach acid is that we need 
stomach acid to activate this 

955
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:42,000
enzyme in our stomach called 
pepsin. 

956
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,600
And pepsin, is job, is to break 
down proteins. 

957
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,800
It couldn't be activated all the
time because we are made of 

958
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,500
protein and it would be Ting us.
So, we need the stomach to 

959
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,200
become acidic enough to turn on 
protein digestion. 

960
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,400
And so, it's a really big 
problem. 

961
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,900
We see a lot of people 
struggling with like depression 

962
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:01,900
anxiety. 
How many vegans are depressed? 

963
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:03,400
Because they don't have enough 
protein, right? 

964
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,900
But this can also happen with 
people who eat meat because they

965
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:12,300
are not properly breaking down 
their food and you also need 

966
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:17,300
stomach acid to absorb B12 and 
iron and minerals and we also 

967
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:20,700
need the B12. 
The zinc to produce stomach 

968
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:22,300
acid. 
So sometimes we need some 

969
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,900
supplements, sort of, as a 
bridge to help us. 

970
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,900
We also need to be hydrated for 
that and then we can go into the

971
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,200
gallbladder. 
I mean, so many people. 

972
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,900
If you've ever been on a low fat
diet, a vegan diet or a standard

973
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,100
American diet, where we're 
getting crappy oils. 

974
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:39,200
You probably have some level of 
gall, bladder dysfunction 

975
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,800
because bile is a substance that
is produced in the liver to help

976
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,700
us emulsify fats and it needs, 
it gets recycled. 

977
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,800
So if we're not using it because
we're not eating a lot of fat 

978
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,900
like in the 80s and 90s the bile
gets thick and sluggish and then

979
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,700
it can't do. 
Its job of Thoroughly, you know 

980
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,900
being squirt out like a big 
clump of dish soap that and I 

981
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:04,500
think about bio like that and so
we're not getting we might get 

982
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,200
gallbladder attacks. 
We might have stools that are 

983
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,400
greasy and shiny. 
They might float. 

984
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,900
They might be clay-colored or 
green colored. 

985
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,200
So those are signs of some gall 
bladder dysfunction. 

986
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,000
Also a headache, above your eye,
having you. 

987
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,300
Meals running right through you.
If you eat a high fat or greasy 

988
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:26,000
meal or chronic constipation 
again, so, if you're noticing 

989
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
that, you're adding in higher 
fat and protein foods, and all 

990
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,700
of a sudden, you're just not 
digesting. 

991
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:35,400
Well, it could be because of 
these areas of digestion are not

992
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,600
up to par. 
So that's where nutritional 

993
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:41,200
therapy comes in to help support
those organs of breaking down 

994
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,400
and then we absorbed in the 
small intestine. 

995
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,000
So that needs to be everything 
needs to be well, broken down 

996
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,700
before it gets to the small 
intestine. 

997
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:51,300
Or else we got like a chunk of 
steak in there. 

998
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,300
It's got bacteria on it because 
the, the stomach acid didn't 

999
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,500
disinfected properly. 
It's shaving down all the Cilia 

1000
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:00,300
in there, which absorb nutrients
because it's too inflammatory. 

1001
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,200
The body was expecting, an amino
acid, not a hunk of steak. 

1002
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,800
And then this leads to 
inflammation in the gut, it 

1003
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,600
leads to the, in the Integrity 
of the gut wall is compromised 

1004
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,400
now and it starts to become 
leaky. 

1005
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:14,700
And then we have leaky gut, we 
get developed more food 

1006
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:17,600
sensitivities, and we have 
reduced nutrient absorption and 

1007
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,000
then all of this will have a 
negative. 

1008
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,000
Impact. 
Or if we get it, right, it will 

1009
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,900
have a positive impact on our 
gut bacteria in the large 

1010
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:26,700
intestine. 
And that's where the probiotic 

1011
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:28,800
comes in. 
So, as you can see, there's so 

1012
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,000
much that can happen and has to 
happen before we get to the 

1013
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,700
large intestine, that a 
probiotic, is just helping the 

1014
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:37,900
last thing in the chain. 
And so, we really want to focus 

1015
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:41,400
on optimizing those steps of 
digestion because that can 

1016
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,300
really help to improve the 
bacterial balance of the gut. 

1017
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,800
So that was my crash course on 
digestion. 

1018
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,800
No. 
No, this is great. 

1019
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,500
I mean so many people just Throw
caution to the wind and they 

1020
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:53,800
don't really give digestion and 
proper absorption. 

1021
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,600
The credits do like, a lot of 
people make the mistake of 

1022
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,600
they'll have, you know, some 
acid reflux. 

1023
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Or they'll have no, they'll be, 
they'll be belching. 

1024
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:03,400
That's just him. 
Okay. 

1025
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,200
I've got too much ass and 
they'll take an antacid like a 

1026
00:52:06,207 --> 00:52:08,000
Tums or something. 
That was probably the exact 

1027
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:09,400
opposite of what they need to be
doing. 

1028
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,200
So for people that are 
experiencing this, what's a 

1029
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,600
pretty good quick fix like take 
some HDL tablets and maybe some 

1030
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,400
some bile salts into their His 
own production kind of up, 

1031
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,800
regulates what you recommend 
there. 

1032
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,700
So, you know, I have to be 
careful with recommending, you 

1033
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:28,400
know, HCL because there are 
quite a few contradiction 

1034
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:31,900
contraindications for it. 
So, if you do have ulcers, there

1035
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:36,000
certain medications, you know, 
you want to be really careful 

1036
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,300
with dosing HCL, and I would 
really work with a practitioner 

1037
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,100
to help you find your dose. 
But HCL could be great, 

1038
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,700
digestive enzymes and then 
certain files support. 

1039
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:49,000
So, there are certain nutrients 
and supplements that help. 

1040
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,900
Help to support the gallbladder.
If you don't have a gallbladder,

1041
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:55,800
you will want to take 
replacement like bile salts or 

1042
00:52:55,808 --> 00:53:00,400
bile acids or Ox bile to help 
replace what you don't have 

1043
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,300
anymore. 
But taking that if you have a 

1044
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:06,400
gallbladder taken that initially
can be helpful, but you don't 

1045
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,400
want to take it long term 
because it can actually down 

1046
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,500
regulate your own production of 
bile, but that can be helpful. 

1047
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:16,100
So, sitting down chewing your 
meals taking deep breaths, 

1048
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:19,000
getting and rest and digest some
apple cider vinegar before. 

1049
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:23,000
Meals, can be really, really 
helpful because that can has a 

1050
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,800
three-fold benefit. 
I love when things have multi 

1051
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,900
benefits. 
So, it helps to increase stomach

1052
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:31,300
acid and helps to increase bile 
output and also helps to reduce 

1053
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:33,800
blood sugar spikes at meals. 
So, I feel like, I should 

1054
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,100
personally be sponsored by apple
cider vinegar, but they are, 

1055
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,100
it's really great to add that. 
And then some digestive enzymes 

1056
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,600
and, you know, working with the 
practitioner to find what area 

1057
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,100
you need support with and then 
some Healing nutrients for the 

1058
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:52,600
small intestine and then 
anything for the large 

1059
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,600
intestine, we really need to do 
some testing to figure out, but 

1060
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,400
you can do a lot of work up in 
the areas above, to get a lot of

1061
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,900
resolution of some of these 
digestive issues in the large 

1062
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,200
intestine. 
What's the dosage you recommend 

1063
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,500
on the apple cider vinegar? 
Just like a shot of it. 

1064
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,800
Yeah. 
So usually like a tablespoon and

1065
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,000
a little bit of water and a 
pinch of cinnamon, really helps 

1066
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,800
with the taste so that could be 
helpful work your way up. 

1067
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Some people don't tolerate apple
cider vinegar there. 

1068
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000
I tried it and I had to run to 
the bathroom. 

1069
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,300
It wasn't pretty. 
So you can start with smaller 

1070
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:25,700
and smaller amounts. 
See if you can increase to that.

1071
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:28,600
But if you just don't tolerate, 
it, don't push through that. 

1072
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,900
Just wanted to announce that. 
Yeah, no totally makes sense. 

1073
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,400
Well, what's in the pipeline for
you? 

1074
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,500
What do you have coming? 
That's new and exciting. 

1075
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,500
What do you stoked about? 
So, I mean your I mean, you've 

1076
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:42,100
got a crash course on digestion 
and blood sugar regulation for 

1077
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:43,600
sure. 
But like, what are you focusing?

1078
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,400
Your attention on going forward?
Yeah, some actually in the 

1079
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,000
middle of creating a course 
called optimized your digestion.

1080
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,500
Even for low carb diets, so I'm 
hoping to have that out by June.

1081
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:56,200
We'll see how my quarter goes 
but that is something that I'm 

1082
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,500
really really excited about 
because I feel like that's not 

1083
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,100
talked about enough in this 
space. 

1084
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,900
We're all eating a ton of fat 
and protein and if we can't 

1085
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:07,800
digest it, it's a way to really 
unlock so much of the benefit 

1086
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,200
from this diet when so many 
people are having these stalls 

1087
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,800
and eating these foods that they
they're they're supposed to eat,

1088
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,200
but then they're forced back to 
eating carbs because it's the 

1089
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,100
only thing that they can digest.
And that It's my heart because 

1090
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,300
it's causing a lot of issues, 
you know, collateral issues. 

1091
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,300
So I have the optimize your 
digestion course coming out. 

1092
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,400
My signature course, is blood 
sugar Mastery, and that's an 

1093
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,000
eight week program. 
The next round again is in the 

1094
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,200
summer right now. 
We're going through the course 

1095
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,500
and there is a whole module on 
digestion. 

1096
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:40,600
It's module 2 because that's how
important it is to really get 

1097
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,900
this right at the beginning. 
And that is a really 

1098
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:46,600
transformative course that walks
through all different areas of 

1099
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,300
blood sugar regulation. 
We look at sea GM's and and help

1100
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:53,900
you sort of interpret the data 
there's coaching and then I'm 

1101
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:56,000
going to be talking at Kita, 
akan with you. 

1102
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,000
You're going to be there too. 
Yeah. 

1103
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,800
I mean, I don't think we've ever
met in person. 

1104
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,300
Having have you been at you to 
calm down. 

1105
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:04,700
I have never been to any 
convention. 

1106
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:09,600
So I became a nutritional 
therapist, pretty recently, and 

1107
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,500
I quit. 
My retired from speech therapy 

1108
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:16,900
in late, 2020. 
So, I'm pretty new to this whole

1109
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:21,700
Space because You know, I had to
work my way out of a job and be 

1110
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:25,200
able to, you know, support 
myself as an entrepreneur. 

1111
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,700
So I haven't been to any 
conventions and I started in the

1112
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:31,700
height of covid. 
So I haven't been able to go 

1113
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:33,600
anywhere. 
So I'm actually going to be 

1114
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,000
going to paleo effects in a few 
weeks, which I'm really excited 

1115
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,000
about because I've been wanting 
to go to that since 2013 since I

1116
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,600
started doing paleo. 
And so I'm really excited to 

1117
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,900
meet people in person and and 
you know experience the world in

1118
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,700
in Vivo. 
Go as opposed to Via Zoom, which

1119
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:54,000
has been my entire experience. 
Yeah, I mean the conferences are

1120
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,300
like a whole nother ballgame. 
I mean zooms, great. 

1121
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:58,900
Like we're able to talk right 
now being in different parts of 

1122
00:56:58,908 --> 00:57:00,800
the US, but I mean the 
conferences. 

1123
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,300
Like you leave those 
conferences, especially when 

1124
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:07,900
Aikido Khan, and you just like, 
you feel the aura, that all that

1125
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,800
energy and Vibe puts off. 
And it's like, you can't help 

1126
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,700
but know that. 
Okay, whatever's going on here. 

1127
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,200
It's working and people are 
better for it. 

1128
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,300
I feel confident that I'm part 
of this. 

1129
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,000
Like, you feel About where you 
spend your time and efforts for 

1130
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,600
sure, so it's definitely 
worthwhile. 

1131
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:25,600
Yeah, I feel elevated just 
thinking about it. 

1132
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,000
And I know that it's going to 
be. 

1133
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,500
So transformative, just to be in
person, with all these people 

1134
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:32,500
who, you know, meet people in 
real life. 

1135
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,100
I've seen who I've admired 
through, you know, throughout my

1136
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:41,700
time in the space and, and to 
meet people whose lives that my 

1137
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:45,600
information has helped and it's 
it'll just be so great sort of 

1138
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,400
putting it in person because, 
you know, working from home by 

1139
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,600
myself. 
Elf, you know, doing my thing. 

1140
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,100
It's great to have the internet 
as a source of connection, but 

1141
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,300
there's I'm nothing like being 
in person. 

1142
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,600
So I'm really excited for that 
hundred percent and the people. 

1143
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,400
I mean, the people that you 
connect with like the network, 

1144
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,400
they're all good. 
People like you and I got in 

1145
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,800
contact through Rachel, right? 
Yeah. 

1146
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,200
Yeah. 
I'm I was meeting Rachel through

1147
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,800
our podcast. 
We both interviewed each other 

1148
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,000
on our podcasts and we're like 
the same person. 

1149
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,600
It's so funny that you could 
just meet people and you have 

1150
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,200
this instant connection. 
And it's like, you just, you 

1151
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,600
know, I feel sometimes like the 
weird one out in my group of 

1152
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,100
friends, like, where I am in my 
real life, like, in my family. 

1153
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,900
I do things differently from 
everybody. 

1154
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,200
Like I'm sitting there with my 
castor oil pack and my blue 

1155
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,500
light blocker glasses on and I'm
like, I want to go home and go 

1156
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:40,300
to bed, you know at 8 p.m. 
And people are like, okay you're

1157
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,200
weird and you know, you're 
different and then you go to 

1158
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,500
these conferences and you're 
like, oh, these are my people 

1159
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,800
and you meet people online who 
are doing the same things you're

1160
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,500
doing. 
Doing or just believe what you 

1161
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:53,900
believe and it's really nice to 
feel that you're a part of 

1162
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:57,100
something and that you're not. 
So the rainbow sheep, you know, 

1163
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,100
100%. 
I feel like having that sense of

1164
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:01,100
community. 
That's why I've been so proud to

1165
00:59:01,107 --> 00:59:03,000
be a part of this community 
because by and large, 

1166
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,500
everybody's in it. 
For the right reasons. 

1167
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:08,400
They're all good people and you 
just like feel you, feel that 

1168
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,400
connection. 
So, you're in the right, you're 

1169
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,500
in the right group, for sure. 
Yeah. 

1170
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,200
One more time. 
Where do people go to to find 

1171
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,800
out more about you? 
What's the name of that Mastery 

1172
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,900
course, so, Mike. 
His blood sugar Mastery and then

1173
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:22,700
the upcoming one. 
It's going to be an online 

1174
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,200
program. 
That one is optimize your 

1175
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,400
digestion for low carb diets. 
I do have waitlist for that. 

1176
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,400
You can find me on Instagram, 
Danielle Hamilton health.com 

1177
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,500
know Danielle Hamilton Health 
and my website is Danielle 

1178
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:37,900
Hamilton, help.com. 
So pretty much, you can find me 

1179
00:59:37,908 --> 00:59:39,400
if you type in those three 
words. 

1180
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,800
Awesome. 
Awesome, Daniel. 

1181
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,000
I will certainly link out to 
your site. 

1182
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,700
The course your social, I think 
you and I've got a podcast on 

1183
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,700
yours coming up like - right. 
Yep, I unlock the shackles 

1184
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:52,200
podcast. 
That's my podcast. 

1185
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:52,900
Awesome. 
Awesome. 

1186
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:55,100
We will be talking and just a 
few days then. 

1187
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,700
Yeah, sounds good. 
I'm excited to chat again in 

1188
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:58,900
here. 
Hear your side. 

1189
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,300
Yeah. 
Well, thanks so much for taking 

1190
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:02,600
the time, always a pleasure. 
There's ever anything I can do 

1191
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,400
for you. 
Definitely. 

1192
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,200
Just let me know. 
All right. 

1193
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,400
Thank you. 
Take care.