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What's going on, ladies and 
gents Robert Sykes kito's 

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Savage.com. 
And today I have taste sweat on 

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the line. 
I'm a super excited by this 

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conversation because he is vegan
and I'm expecting to learn a lot

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today. 
How are you, man? 

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Good, good man. 
Thanks for having me absolutely 

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brother. 
Absolutely. 

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So give the audience a little 
little brief bio. 

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Kind of own who you are, what 
got you in Aikido space. 

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And and and why you're vegan 
man, I've seen your 

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transformation pictures at loans
speaks. 

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Pretty high volumes there. 
Yes sir. 

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Yes, sir. 
So just a quick story about me. 

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I raised not so not so good, 
diet ended up being about 312 

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pounds at 15, was, it wasn't fun
at all, because I also wasn't 

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63, I'm 63 now, but I was about 
59, then, So I didn't look well.

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So I just had to see, you know, 
I started studying because I had

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diabetes as well. 
I had heart disease, high blood 

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pressure. 
I mean, you name it and I just 

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felt like I was going to die at 
15 meter. 

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So I started studying, and 
before, you know it I came into,

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of course the vegan lifestyle 
and I didn't know what I was 

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doing. 
I was winging it. 

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So, you know, I eat a lot of 
vegetables, nuts seeds, trying 

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to get my Protein ended up 
losing over. 120 pounds was my 

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pick, the largest that I end up 
losing, and before you knew it, 

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I went ahead and got certified 
in trician. 

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I got certified in holistic, 
practitioner work and I just 

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made a whole lifestyle out of 
it. 

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So, let me, let me back up a 
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Here. 
You were 15 years old, and you 

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were diagnosed that you went to 
the doctor, and they diagnose 

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you with that babies at 15. 
Yes, sir. 

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Yes, sir. 
Time to man. 

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It's gonna be like a wake-up 
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What are you like your folks 
saying, like, what's your, what 

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was the whole family? 
Like I have that affect things. 

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Oh, of course. 
I was like, anybody, you know, 

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with any diet change to your 
tradition, if you will, it's 

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going to be a little lag, you 
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Or it's going to be a little, 
you know, bite back or fight 

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back from your family. 
And I had that my family, my 

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friends, everybody thought I was
crazy at the time, you know, I 

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come from, I'm from Nashville, 
Tennessee, born, and Raised 

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here. 
And it I wasn't necessarily from

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an area that where we cared 
about health. 

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So me just carrying a gallon of 
water around to make sure I stay

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hydrated with it looked awkward.
So so me also, you know, not 

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eating meat and just kind of not
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It was weird and my family just,
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know, as they saw the results 
come, they saw my skin clear up 

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because I had horrible eggs. 
As well. 

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They saw the transformation, 
they kind of started to jump on 

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the bandwagon with it. 
So I made it a cool thing and 

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now everybody's kind of doing 
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What was like a typical day of 
eating for you before you 

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started, you know, focus it on 
your health like when you were 

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315 pounds and just eating all 
kinds of food. 

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What was like, the standard a 
beating for you, then? 

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Oh, man. 
So I was, I was pretty much 

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raised an athlete, I love 
sports, so I always had athletes

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It's, I guess you can say that 
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So I ate a lot of just fast 
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you name it. 
If it was a fast food and it was

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convenient because my mom she's 
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She had two boys and we were in 
multiple Sports so there wasn't 

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a lot of time to cook because 
she was taxi in us around to you

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know, each different practice. 
It just didn't work so we would 

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do what was available, which was
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The Box, some type of fast food.
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everyday food. 
I was a junk food key, man. 

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How long did it take you to? 
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was a pretty quick or like your 
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specific point, or just like a 
gradual progression, when you 

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were, you know, in the single 
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Yeah, I say it was over a 
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you I don't know, if anybody out
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but when you're gaining weight, 
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You're getting bigger until it 
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Its kind of like a I don't know,
it's like a lag time. 

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So the first 23 years I'm 
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I don't realize that I'm getting
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It just all of a sudden happens 
or somebody tells you hey you've

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put on some weight but until 
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Over five years is when it 
happened but I didn't realize it

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was happening until I actually 
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fourth year make and it's kind 
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specifically, man. 
I mean, I look at my brother and

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my brother used to be shorter 
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bunch of weight and kind of like
chubby and everybody just 

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assumed that he was gonna have a
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And then he did have a growth 
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taller than me and just 
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So like there on that childhood 
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he's just having a gross 
Birdsall going to go up from 

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there but it's easy to kind of 
skew that That with no, he's 

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actually putting on some 
unnecessary body fat that's like

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not healthy. 
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Exactly. 
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kind of what was happening 
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basketball. 
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pushed towards football more 
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So it was just oh, he's getting 
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needs this wait for football, 
he's a linebacker, he needs to 

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be bigger, and they were 
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so it You know, even when it was
noticeable, people didn't really

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try to stop it because I was a 
football player, right? 

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Right? 
Yeah. 

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It makes sense to make sense. 
What was? 

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So, I guess the doctor visit 
when you were diagnosed with the

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diamonds that was like, the big.
Aha moment of like, okay, this 

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is actually not contributing to 
My overall success. 

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Absolutely. 
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And to be honest, I've always 
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victim mentality. 
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people who wants to be the best 
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carried over into my health. 
So when I went to the doctor and

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I, you know, I got the bad news,
it was kind of like, okay, I 

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can't be the best at, you know, 
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diabetes. 
I can't be the best and I mean, 

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just being a kid. 
I can't be a good kid with 

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diabetes. 
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taking different medications and
it just didn't work. 

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So I that's what really sparked 
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even want to get started on that
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And when you decided to, you 
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immediately towards vegan or did
you kind of just try and clean 

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up food and just haven't have 
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meats and stuff. 
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Like Jack-in-the-Box thinking, 
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Yeah, man, it was definitely a 
hard transition. 

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I did not, I did not go cold 
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And as a matter of fact, I 
struggle for years you know, and

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I guess it's a quote unquote 
struggle. 

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I was doing a lot of salmon. 
I started just kind of cleaning 

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up the me. 
Meats that I was, you know, that

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I would eat. 
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me down the vegan path. 
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quote-unquote go vegan, I was 
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because it was around me, you 
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wiggle room as a kid as far as 
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And even at 17, 18, I'm still 
having to eat, you know, some of

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the meats and things like that 
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So it took me years to actually 
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a In lifestyle, in, where did 
the key to come to the plate? 

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Because you probably weren't, 
you know, he do vegan initially.

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That's kind of just been a 
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Right? 
Exactly. 

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And, and this is something that 
a lot of vegans, I'm not 

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necessarily super popular with 
many vegans because I don't, I'm

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not necessarily the, I guess you
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I Did It For My Health to be 
honest. 

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And with that being said, I 
don't have any loyalty anywhere 

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I do it works. 
For me, that makes sense. 

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And where the weather vegan. 
Keto part came in is through the

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Journey of going into keto or 
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Scuse me. 
I had to make sure I was getting

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protein because that was like 
the number-one thing where you 

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going to get protein. 
So, I was doing a lot of nuts 

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and seeds and it just so 
happened that before I even knew

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what key do was, I was already 
doing it because everything was 

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pretty much nuts seeds and 
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You know, and I would do avocado
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olives, which I still do. 
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keto diet back then. 
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veganism goes, I just didn't 
realize, and once I got a little

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more popular into the vegan 
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at my diet and they're going, 
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Why aren't you eating? 
You know, there was this, vegan 

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is almost like a gang and if you
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kind of like eggs out and I just
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while and I said, okay, well let
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Let me try eating a high fruit 
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percent coming from carbs and I 
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seriously, I gained weight on a 
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So this is kind of where the 
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diet came because I knew I was 
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It just now it's an, it has a 
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I just didn't know whose keto 
back then because I look at, you

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know, a lot of the, the vegan 
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them just have you know like 
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be qualified for Kayla. 
There's just a ton of carbs in 

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there. 
A lot of The Binding factors, 

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you know, could raise insulin. 
So it's not really conducive to 

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Quito like a lot of the pre-made
vegan meals specifically, but if

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you were to just go like the 
with the vegetables and like the

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the fats I can definitely say 
your ratios with Wanda. 

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As such the you did you like 
test your blood threaded or you 

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kind of just doing it more 
instinctively? 

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Initially and let me just say 
this yeah, you're right man, 

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there's a lot of processed crap 
in the vegan world. 

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It's it kind of pisses me off 
but let's be honest, man, 

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starting out. 
No I didn't test it but when I 

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put two and two together and by 
this time, you know, I'm already

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certified as a nutritionist. 
I'm already, you know, I'm in 

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it, I have the education and I 
start, you know, now that I'm 

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back to the high fat, high carb 
at this period of time. 

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I do start. 
I'm sorry high fat, low carb. 

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I do start to test my ketones 
and I do start to and I do blood

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ketones because I'm not a big 
believer in urine because it 

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kind of it Withers off after the
first week or so. 

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So I started testing and I took 
it to my Instagram to show 

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people that you could do vegan 
keto, and pull some pretty big, 

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you know, some pretty big 
results and numbers, you know, I

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average 1.0 1.5 mmol hours a day
and that's all vegetables, some 

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nuts. 
And some seeds. 

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And, you know, a little avocado 
here and there and it pretty 

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much works for me. 
Do you track your Macros or you 

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just kind of go with what, you 
know, works like? 

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Do you have any idea what your 
grams of protein fat and carbs 

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come in at, on average? 
Oh, yeah, absolutely. 

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I track a lot simply because 
first of all, I like to do self 

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studies or self testing because 
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doctor. 
I guess you can say, when they 

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run the test of the studies. 
And you know, it's always Is to 

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me. 
So I'd like to do my own tests 

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and studies for myself and my 
clients. 

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So I tracking everything from 
the top to the bottom. 

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So what's a was it break down 
like on an average day for you? 

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Like how many grams of what your
macro pie chart look like? 

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Yeah so on average, I'm going to
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I say, 70 75 % of my calories 
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protein, believe it or not, and 
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Talk about this when you were 
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a lot of protein man. 
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100 grams a day of protein, is 
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than traditional Quito. 
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keep it under 50 grams. 
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keep pretty much 1.0 1.5 million
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carbs and that's coming from 
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Yeah. 
It's umm like your car. 

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I mean what's the breakdown of 
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Fibers pretty high. 
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um I'm guaranteed to get about 
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that buffers out. 
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eating? 
Look like, man. 

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Like what was if you were just, 
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up, to time to go to bed, like, 
what is your meal, timing? 

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Because I'm curious to see how 
like, you know, from you being 

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vegetation affects your 
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like how you get that in, 
because I've made, I've had a 

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few clients that are vegan and I
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meal. 
Name that matches like the first

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weeks macros that I gave them 
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challenge for someone that's 
not. 

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Well, versed in like, you're 
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that are vegan friendly, right? 
Yeah. 

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versus men, I'm always having to
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differences, you know, based on 
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that, but for me, too, Uncle 
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regardless. 
I fast pretty much every day. 

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As a matter of fact, right now, 
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My cognitive ability is much 

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better. 
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honest, you know, I really feel 
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So I'll usually on a typical 
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I usually fast for about 20 
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I'm the drinks or anything. 
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often, maybe I'll do some, you 
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sort, but I don't do a lot of 
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I don't do coffee. 
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And, you know, maybe a couple, I
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before I eat, you know, within 
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then, and this is mostly because
I'm super busy. 

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I'm sure you see how I do on 
Instagram, things like that. 

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I like to answer all of my 
clients back. 

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I like to answer DM Zone. 
Instagram. 

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So, I'm always running and not 
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I'm about to get married, so I'm
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wedding, which is in a week. 
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going on. 
Oh, man, so fast and just works 

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for me. 
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eat, I usually make this as I 
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basically and I turned my phone 
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and I'll just sit and eat until 
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So that will usually look like 
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of Olives which is about 
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about 700 Grand, 700 calories, 
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I'll give it about, I don't 
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And then I'll go in and maybe 
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I eat a lot of cabbage. 
I love my cabbage and I'll maybe

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whip up about to sometimes even 
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I whip up about. 
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And I throw, I throw a little 
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eat that with my half a head of 
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to finish it off. 
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something sweet. 
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something to top that off. 
And I'll maybe go eat. 

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I like my fat bombs, I'm gonna, 
it's not, I'm not affiliated 

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with them anyway, but I love the
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Jimmy more talks about him a 
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I'll do one of those f-bombs. 
Be and just kind of finish it 

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off. 
Gives me a good sweet, salty, 

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taste, you know, in the day of 
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So that's, that's pretty much 
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from a me like that. 
Just like all those the avocado,

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the cabbage and like the nut 
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Yeah, a lot of times and 
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and then I'll do a vegan protein
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If I want to go, you know, 
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just to see what I can get away 
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So, I've been as low as 20 grams
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Um, and then I go back up to 
sometimes, you know, how I try 

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to arrange around 70 to 100 
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And when I go that high, I'm 
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of, I don't know, protein, shake
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mock meat type of, it's called 
him pesos made from hemp seeds 

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and peanuts and him pay has 
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I think it's 40 grams of protein
per package, so I'll Is it maybe

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eat a thing of, you know, him 
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avocado and that gets me a good 
amount of protein as well. 

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You know, one of the things that
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of the vegan protein sources, is
a lot of them leverage, you 

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know, soy. 
And then when you start 

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incorporating soy, you have to, 
kind of release traditional 

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Dogma states. 
That, you know, that is going to

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give you a surplus in estrogen, 
which isn't really going to be 

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optimal from like a performance 
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Have you kind of dug into that 
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Yes, absolutely be a big, big, 
big thing that I noticed with 

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soy. 
First of all, it doesn't work 

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for me. 
I have to go and, you know, kind

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of separate. 
Because a lot of people love 

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this soil when it comes to this 
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But I'm not a big fan of it for 
a few reasons, just to kind of 

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give them a little overview. 
I've been training now and 

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working with clients now for 
over almost 12 years and at one 

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point in time, When a lot of 
women would come into my 

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program, I know it's they 
usually have some type of 

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hormone issues and usually 
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of times they have issues with 
their menstrual cycle, which is 

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associated with the hormones. 
So I would take them certain 

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places to, you know, heal or fix
the issues. 

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They're having with their 
menstrual cycle and they would 

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come back to me. 
And this has happened, I 

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probably work with 1500 clients 
by now. 

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And this was with, huh? 
Dress of women. 

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Most of them would ask me. 
Hey, is it okay? 

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If I go back to my to my regular
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And I say, well, let's slowly 
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So we know what's, you know, 
doing what what's causing what? 

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So, we would start with soy, 
because that was the big thing 

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that I wanted to see. 
So I would always start back, 

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introducing soy. 
And it was almost every time I 

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would say 90% of the time, as 
soon as they were introduced soy

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back into their diets, their 
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crazy, it would be painful. 
Painful, again, it would. 

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And I mean, they would break out
and this would let me know that.

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Okay, we have an issue with 
switch with soy and estrogen 

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here, and it doesn't work for me
and it's definitely not working 

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for them. 
So, at that point, I just exiled

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soy. 
I don't do it, I don't suggest 

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it. 
So that's just my perspective 

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from it. 
No, that makes a lot of sense, 

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man. 
I've always kind of gravitated 

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away from it. 
You know, there's been like so 

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many, you know, research 
articles, some in favor of soy, 

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some Against it. 
But I just a simple concept of, 

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you know, elevated estrogen. 
And if so, it can in turn do 

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that, I just doesn't make sense 
to me as a bodybuilder. 

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Trying to minimize my estrogen 
to be incorporating, a whole 

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bunch of soy to my diet, exactly
exactly. 

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What other what other Foods mean
like are there any other kind 

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of, you know, red flags that you
see a lot in the the vegan diets

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that that may be lesser known 
that people should stay away 

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from you man. 
I'm noticing a lot of there's 

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like this race to see who can 
authenticate or not authenticate

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but who can replicate the best 
veggie burger or the best you 

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know, mock meat chickens? 
And you know, I'm not a big fan 

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period of most of the the mock 
meats and it's simply because 

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it's a lot of you see, a lot of 
rancid oils going into some of 

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these mock meats and you just 
see a lot of Not so good 

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practices that are happening to 
I guess, be the first one to 

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Market to have that good tasting
meat that you notice the quality

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of what, you know the 
ingredients are made up of, it's

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not that good. 
So I usually teach, you know, 

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until a lot of my clients to one
stick to minimally processed 

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foods so you know, look for 
anything that spoils and you 

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know, matter of the week or two.
If it doesn't spoil in a week or

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two, then 9 times out of 10. 
It's not going to be so well for

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so of course that you know 
fruits vegetables that usually 

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kind of fits into that. 
And of course, when I say fruits

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a lot of people don't realize 
that olives avocados, all of 

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these things. 
So this is where I but I just 

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don't do anything that has over 
you know five to maybe on a 

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cheat day. 
I'll do more than ten 

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ingredients if it has more than 
10 ingredients, I'm telling my 

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clients, I'm telling my social 
media following Stay away from 

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because it's not good. 
Yeah, definitely good man. 

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There's like I've turned the 
package over and seeing a 

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freaking essay on some of those 
labeling and it's just like I'm 

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putting that much food in my 
mouth after ingredients. 

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I can't even pronounce. 
There's just there's just a 

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disconnect there. 
It's not worth it. 

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Right? 
Exactly. 

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Exactly. 
And you know, a lot of people 

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there, they're searching for 
because I get a lot of clients 

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or people who are just 
interested in a vegan lifestyle.

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But they want to do, you know, 
keto. 

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A lot of people are on Opting 
out for the more process way of 

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doing Quito. 
So I see a lot of mock meats 

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and, you know, they'll throw out
the vegetables and then they'll 

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go for some type of mock cheese.
So they go mock meat, my cheese,

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all I'm keto. 
And I said, well, that's that's 

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not going to work because you 
need some type of nutrition in 

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there, right? 
Right exactly, man, those those 

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Munchies is I have not found a 
vegan cheese that I like, but I 

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will say this, though, those 
kite Hill Yogurt and cream 

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cheese is, have you ever had 
those? 

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Oh yeah, that The kite. 
He'll probably one of the best 

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that you can choose from and the
other cheeses aren't really 

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good. 
There's one that I have found 

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that probably Takes the Cake on 
all of it and it's, it's called 

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me. 
Yoko's, she's based out of 

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California, really good. 
All of the other cheeses, they 

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don't melt, they're chewy there.
I mean, they just don't work. 

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Yeah. 
I bought one is like an almond 

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base cheese because it's wanted 
to, you know, try and see what 

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it tastes like. 
It was like eating The sponge 

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man. 
Hmm, yeah, that's how most of 

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them taste. 
You're not missing anything on 

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that one. 
I will say that. 

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And to be honest with you on my 
way to the vegan lifestyle, I 

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was vegetarian for two of those 
years because I couldn't get rid

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of the cheese and I couldn't 
find a replacement for, but I 

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did realize that was one of the 
biggest inflammation drivers in 

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me. 
So, I had to let go of because I

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notice my knees would flare up 
and I would also Have I had 

441
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,800
eczema really bad eczema and I 
would get flare-ups with my 

442
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,600
Eczema. 
Every time I had dear, that was 

443
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,500
the only reason I got rid of it 
because it was messing with my 

444
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,900
my inflammation, but I loved 
Cheese look. 

445
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,400
So what's the the hierarchy of, 
you know, kind of eliminating 

446
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,800
the meats, I guess. 
A pescatarian is the lowest 

447
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,100
level because those that allows 
for eggs, dairy and fish. 

448
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,700
Right? 
Yes. 

449
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:47,200
So you know you pescetarians you
going to do eggs, dairy fish. 

450
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,200
Like you said, some people even 
may even throw it, like a 

451
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,200
chicken, some type of file in 
there. 

452
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:55,100
And then you go up to the next 
level where it's kind of like 

453
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,700
they called it. 
The UVA lacto-vegetarian where 

454
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:03,500
they pretty much just do dairy 
and eggs and then you have 

455
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,600
traditional vegetarian where you
may do one of the other which 

456
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,300
let me just say go on the record
to say this vegetarian used to 

457
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:14,700
be in the definition of a 
vegetarian used to be herbivore.

458
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:19,400
We're now kind of making all of 
these new ways of doing it. 

459
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,800
So, now vegetarian means 
something different. 

460
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,000
And then to go vegan, if you 
come in the vegan Community, 

461
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:27,800
they want you to say 
plant-based. 

462
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,500
If you're not for the animals, 
which I don't know how I feel 

463
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,000
about that. 
I think it's crazy. 

464
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,200
So for, in my case I will be 
considered plant-based because 

465
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,500
I'm not really. 
No, I love animals. 

466
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,900
I get it but I'm not really 
active. 

467
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,900
I'm not an activist for the 
ethical side. 

468
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,500
So, they would actually want me 
to say that. 

469
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:51,700
I'm more of a plant-based eater 
versus a vegan because a vegan 

470
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:55,900
is considered a lifestyle. 
Wow, I did not even know that, 

471
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,400
so it bring up to speed, man. 
Like I do not know I'm not 

472
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,100
familiar with, you know, the 
whole, the culture in the, the 

473
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:07,200
vegan space per se. 
Because I mean, you definitely 

474
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,100
get, you know, the animal rights
in the ethics involved, for 

475
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:13,700
sure, which I can appreciate, 
you know, I appreciate respect 

476
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:18,800
their beliefs. 
But you, you know, if you're not

477
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,500
in it for an ethical reason, for
instance, of what keeps you from

478
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,100
eating, you know, like Sam and 
now you just noticed that that 

479
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,600
doesn't have any advantageous 
effect for you, yeah, man, 

480
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,300
honestly, there's a few is a few
reasons when I, when I did eat 

481
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:38,600
meat, what I notice is that I 
was at, I was a weird kid, I 

482
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,300
could not eat it by itself if 
that makes sense. 

483
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600
I always had to have a french 
fry with or a bunch of ketchup 

484
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,400
or saw Sauce or, you know, even 
with a steak, I would have to 

485
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,900
drown it in, you know, steak 
sauce. 

486
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,600
It was never appealing to me by 
itself and that was just a 

487
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,500
simple process of elimination 
for me. 

488
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,600
You know, I thought to myself. 
Okay. 

489
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Why can't you eat this? 
Well, your body doesn't actually

490
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,100
want. 
It is just not craving. 

491
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:06,200
So I kind of follow intuitively.
I follow my body with a lot of 

492
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,000
these things so that was one 
thing. 

493
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,000
So I for a while I was, you 
know, a lot of eating a lot of 

494
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,600
fish and even then I would have 
to With salmon, I would make 

495
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,300
this glaze that had you know, 
Grey Poupon and you know brown 

496
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,800
sugar which all of that added 
stuff, it just does, you know, 

497
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,200
it does nothing for you. 
So at that point I realized I 

498
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,000
just don't like me. 
Like I really don't like it and 

499
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:39,300
that was a big decider for me. 
And when I took that perspective

500
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,200
over to the holistic 
practitioner side that I you 

501
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,400
know, I wouldn't hit and got 
certified in that That. 

502
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,000
But I was starting to realize is
that a lot of what we consider 

503
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,300
to be racist, you know, 
Caucasian black or 

504
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:57,300
African-American, we have 
different approaches to our 

505
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:02,400
diets, based on I in session and
what I was looking from you know

506
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,500
and that standpoint through my 
certification, I was taught that

507
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:10,000
we necessarily came from. 
We potentially came from and 

508
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,200
more vegetable eating type of 
State, you know, fruit 

509
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,900
specialist because it was 
Topical and that seemed to work 

510
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:20,500
for me. 
It was just just, hey, I don't 

511
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,300
know it clicked. 
It was something to click and I 

512
00:28:22,308 --> 00:28:25,400
just stuck with and I feel great
with it. 

513
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,300
Even when I did, I've been on 
pretty much every diet. 

514
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:33,200
But, you know, my clients say 
80/10/10, I've done raw vegan, 

515
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,100
where I just did all fruit. 
I got really skinny on that by 

516
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:41,700
the way. 
So I just tried out each and 

517
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:44,500
every diet to see how it work 
for me and the plants. 

518
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,300
Just It just stuck. 
And that was just something that

519
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,700
I stuck with. 
Do you measure the whole bunch 

520
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:51,000
of questions of get going from 
this? 

521
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,100
So what with the whole you know,
ancestral? 

522
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,100
You know, perspective, what what
other Trends did you notice? 

523
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,600
Like, you know, like the 
Caucasian for instance were, 

524
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,300
what were they predominantly 
eating in the past? 

525
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
And has that compared to 
African-American that was just 

526
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,000
kind of like the, the lineage 
there. 

527
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,800
Yeah, so from what I was taught 
and when you do a holistic 

528
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,800
practitioner work, you kind of 
have to take a history course. 

529
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,900
Like a history lesson because 
you need to know where a lot of 

530
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:21,100
things. 
Originated, and based on the 

531
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:26,200
Caucasians most of the Caucasian
lineage, they were in colder 

532
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,100
climates and a lot of the colder
climates would do more, of 

533
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,500
course, you know, there, what 
wasn't much vegetation in a lot 

534
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,400
of the colder climates. 
So they know had to rely on 

535
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,700
eating Meats. 
Eating fatty your foods, which 

536
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:42,400
is why I normally notice. 
When I get someone who's 

537
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,000
Caucasian and into my program, I
know that I need to absolutely 

538
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,300
take them to her higher fat kind
of lower carb approach because 

539
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,300
that is definitely going to work
for their their genetics and it 

540
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,300
always pans out like they their 
bodies. 

541
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:02,300
Just soak it up and I work with 
people who are not vegan and it 

542
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:05,200
and it works on both sides. 
That's what I've come to know 

543
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,500
this. 
I've also noticed that they 

544
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:13,500
usually can get away Caucasians,
you can get away my clients with

545
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,600
higher calories. 
Then someone who's maybe 

546
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,600
African-American or a Latin 
background, we tend to have to. 

547
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Like, if I eat too many 
calories, man, I gain weight 

548
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,000
fast and of course, you know, I 
can have some stem, you know, it

549
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,200
could be because of my 
background of I call it being 

550
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,500
fat Tafe at genetics. 
But I've noticed that what a lot

551
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,100
of my clients to we eat too many
calories. 

552
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:44,100
It does seem to stick with us a 
little bit easier, so, what are 

553
00:30:44,108 --> 00:30:47,700
your calories clock? 
Looking in at, on average, um, 

554
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000
on a really hard workout day. 
I make it up to, I don't know 

555
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,600
2900, and that's kind of pushing
it for me, twenty-nine hundred 

556
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,600
calories and my body's kind of 
like, hey guy, you need to stop.

557
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,900
You know, if I'm just just 
binging and I just want to go 

558
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:06,700
out and just enjoy myself, I can
pack it away and I can put away,

559
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:11,100
you know, for 4,500 calories, 
but it does not agree with my 

560
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,900
body at all. 
And I've done phases to see if 

561
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,600
It's me just spike in my insulin
or spiking my calories too much 

562
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,600
or if it's just something that 
lasts with me. 

563
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,100
So I've been on a six-month 
journey to where I ate that many

564
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,500
calories and it never ended. 
It never regulated it so it 

565
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,600
never worked. 
I always felt like crap you know

566
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,800
and as soon as I brought it down
to 29 hundred calories on a 

567
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,600
lower day, I may even go down to
24 23 hundred on body, just 

568
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,900
seems more efficient, it just 
passed a leaner, it just feels 

569
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:44,800
better. 
What point? 

570
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,900
320, 400 still pretty pretty 
solid amount of food. 

571
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,400
I mean, you got people out there
that are just like chronically 

572
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,500
under eating, you know, sub 
1,000 calories. 

573
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,500
That's just like asking for 
disaster, right? 

574
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,700
I'm impressed you were able to 
get, you know, like on a bench 

575
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,300
day, 45 hundred plus calories 
all vegan, baseman like that and

576
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,600
you know what? 
That would look like, oh yeah, 

577
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,100
it can get. 
It can get pretty high, 

578
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:13,600
especially if you start getting 
into like these and this is not 

579
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,900
keto at all. 
But if you start getting into a 

580
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:19,300
lot of the vegan restaurants, 
with, they're throwing veggie 

581
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:21,900
burgers together. 
And here in Nashville's pretty 

582
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,100
big city for veganism, believe 
in. 

583
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,500
And we have so many crazy vegan 
options here that you can just 

584
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:33,900
go off the rails with like, I 
mean, insulin coma type thing, 

585
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:39,700
I've seen a veggie burger with 
vegan bacon surrounded or the 

586
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:44,800
Buns, were vegan donuts and it 
had vegan Mayo. 

587
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:48,400
Oh, it's ridiculous. 
To be honest, there's a lot of 

588
00:32:48,408 --> 00:32:50,900
the, the oils and stuff, using 
those kind, like what you were 

589
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,600
saying earlier like the rancid 
fats, and that's all basically, 

590
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:58,300
you know, vegetable base. 
But like a polyunsaturated fat, 

591
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,200
that's not really an optimal 
fence or. 

592
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,800
So it's just basically a ton of 
information waiting to happen. 

593
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,900
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

594
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,500
And this is the, this is one of 
the biggest things biggest 

595
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,600
problems, I see because most 
like you say most of these, you 

596
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600
know, always are rancid there, 
you know, rapeseed or canola 

597
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,400
oil? 
It's just it's not good. 

598
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:22,400
And then I get this a lot. 
People want to know if veganism 

599
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,900
is so good. 
Why are there so many fat 

600
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:26,600
vegans? 
And I get this question, maybe. 

601
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,700
I mean, six times a day at least
and that is one of the biggest 

602
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:32,400
reasons. 
Why? 

603
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,000
Because when you come into 
veganism, it's like it's was 

604
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,100
walking through a door of carbs,
basically because you drop your 

605
00:33:39,108 --> 00:33:42,600
proteins being, you know, the 
meet you drop your healthier 

606
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,100
fats for the most part coming 
from, you know, maybe a 

607
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:50,100
healthier version of dairy or, 
you know, some healthier Was a 

608
00:33:50,108 --> 00:33:54,600
fruit, you drop all of that and 
you go directly into this carb 

609
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,200
Haven. 
I mean, it's just so much carbs 

610
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,800
and that's why people are vegan 
and, you know, holding onto a 

611
00:34:01,808 --> 00:34:05,100
lot of weight. 
What do you think about like 

612
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,400
the, you know, a lot of people 
that have had on the podcast 

613
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,300
before that, that were 
vegetarian or were vegan for 

614
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:13,699
quite some time and then they 
transition to you do based 

615
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:17,000
protocol like the traditional 
Ketone with meets, they noticed 

616
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400
that, you know, prior to the 
Position. 

617
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:24,300
They, they were just missing 
some critical micronutrients. 

618
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,199
They just noticed performance, 
certain the legs. 

619
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,400
Everybody seemed to improve 
initially, probably, because 

620
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,500
they stepped away from it. 
Just a standard American diet. 

621
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:33,800
That's just terrible. 
And then things started to clean

622
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,199
up with vegan or vegetarian. 
But after a prolonged period of 

623
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:41,900
that, they started to notice 
just micronutrient deficiencies.

624
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:44,000
And then all that seem to be 
replenished when they transition

625
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,699
to like a key to approach. 
You think that was just you 

626
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:51,500
know, some basic lack In the 
group then header. 

627
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,699
Or what do you think? 
Is the reason for that 

628
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:56,600
deficiency? 
It's a, I think it's all about 

629
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,900
the context and you know, what 
the person was doing? 

630
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,400
Because I've seen that a lot, 
you know, I get a lot of clients

631
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000
who come to me, who are 
struggling with that on one on 

632
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,900
one point, I do think that 
everybody is not meant to be 

633
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,700
vegan, I will just go on the 
record for that too. 

634
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:12,000
Everybody is not meant to be 
vegan. 

635
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
As a matter of fact, it's 
probably more people than, you 

636
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200
know, people think that should 
actually, you know, stay on the 

637
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,900
meeting side to be honest. 
But the people who want to try 

638
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,600
it out, what I see. 
So many times that people are 

639
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,200
relying on processed, 
carbohydrates people go vegan, 

640
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,600
they don't know where to start. 
They don't know what to eat, 

641
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:35,300
majority of the people who I 
come across their eating pasta, 

642
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,200
there is you know, they'll also 
eat, you know, pasta for lunch 

643
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,200
and then I'll have, you know, 
some type of pasta or rice or, 

644
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,700
you know, rice and beans for 
dinner. 

645
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,000
And that's pretty much all they 
eat. 

646
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,100
And I notice this kind of like, 
you know, it's a break from In 

647
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:54,000
the process meets and the junk 
food in the standard American 

648
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,800
diet. 
So you get a break and your body

649
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,800
feels better initially. 
But now you're solely eating, 

650
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,100
you know, maybe a little fruit 
here and there and you eat pasta

651
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:07,500
and you eat, rice and beans. 
And that's the whole makeup of 

652
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,400
your diet for the next six. 
Months to a year. 

653
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,700
Of course, you're not going to 
get everything and not only 

654
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:15,100
that, they're not supplementing 
because they don't know what 

655
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,400
they're missing. 
So you know, your B12, your 

656
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,500
vitamin D which most of If not 
all of us are really lacking in 

657
00:36:21,508 --> 00:36:26,100
that, they're not covering those
bases, not to mention. 

658
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,400
If this diet isn't meant for 
you, and you actually do need 

659
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
those meats based on your menu, 
know, maybe your ancestry or 

660
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,400
whatnot, then you definitely are
going to have some issues on a 

661
00:36:36,408 --> 00:36:39,100
vegan diet. 
So, I've actually sent some 

662
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,100
people back and vegans are going
to hate me. 

663
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:44,000
Hopefully, they don't listen to 
you to your show, but they're 

664
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
going to hate me when I say 
this. 

665
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,300
But I've actually sent people 
away from veganism. 

666
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,300
Like this is not for you. 
Go back and eat the meat. 

667
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:54,000
Go get some salmon. 
Go get some healthier fatty 

668
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,900
foods, you know, and do this 
this way. 

669
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Yeah, yeah. 
Gently you think if, you know, 

670
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,900
you actually like the flavor and
texture of meat and we're eating

671
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:07,400
like a traditional key to 
approach? 

672
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,600
Do you think that you need a 
woman's would improve or do you 

673
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,200
think it pretty much be even 
killer? 

674
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,100
Do you think there's any 
advantage to that? 

675
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,000
I don't know, man. 
You know, that's That's 

676
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,800
something I've thought about. 
If I, you know, if I went back 

677
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,200
and ate more protein, maybe I 
definitely will say this. 

678
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,300
If I went back and did more of a
meat-based keto, I would 

679
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:33,100
definitely look at getting on 
stage to be honest, I'd more 

680
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,100
might be much easier or better 
able to compete because, you 

681
00:37:39,107 --> 00:37:41,800
know, the protein, things like 
that, I just don't want to do it

682
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,800
the vegan way because there is 
going to be a need to do more 

683
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600
process, you know, proteins or, 
you know, because all we have 

684
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,000
really is, you know, What 
protein shakes you do some 

685
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,300
process, you know, vegan meats 
but I don't I don't really want 

686
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,100
to do it that way. 
So I just stay where I am, you 

687
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,000
know, I've done the scans I'm 
about 14 15 percent body fat at 

688
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,400
about 2:15. 
So I keep a decent, you know, 

689
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,300
stature. 
I'm pretty strong 500, pound 

690
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:15,500
deadlift, you know, 365 squat I 
would stay pretty strong where I

691
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:20,200
am but definitely I think if I 
was to adopt all Go back to 

692
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,100
eating, you know, fish and you 
know, getting some high protein.

693
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:26,100
I definitely think I could do 
much better on stage and you 

694
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,400
know, that's something I 
definitely would you think if 

695
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,800
you were to just make up that 
protein get by eating, you know,

696
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,100
a greater quantity of the vegan 
food, you're eating a 

697
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,400
plant-based Foods right now, it 
would just have too much of a 

698
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,700
carb count to be able to, you 
know, get as lean as you need to

699
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:44,000
get for steak. 
Oh, I think it's possible. 

700
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,900
Yes. 
But to be competitive I'm not 

701
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:49,500
sure. 
I've seen you do it. 

702
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,300
And I think based on the macros 
you were going with, I think it 

703
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,100
can be done. 
It's going to be, I mean, it's 

704
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,200
gonna be hard which I mean, I 
don't take it away from you, you

705
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,500
know, the meat-based itís hard 
for, you know, even getting down

706
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,400
that link. 
But, you know, I've heard some 

707
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,600
of the macros you were doing to 
get, you know, you and Danny 

708
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,100
Vega. 
I've heard kind of what you all 

709
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:12,900
are doing and it could be, you 
know, maybe a little off with 

710
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,900
the vegan diet, but we could 
probably get it close. 

711
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,600
And I think it could work to be 
honest. 

712
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,400
I think I could do it and 
somebody stupid, man. 

713
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,500
I think it's totally. 
Yeah, I mean, it would be a huge

714
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,300
accomplishment man. 
And I've been thinking about it 

715
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:29,900
myself, just, you know, getting 
on stage. 

716
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,700
Just to say, hey, not only am I 
vegan, but I'm also key. 

717
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,600
Do you know? 
And just, I mean, that would 

718
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,700
just opened everybody's eyes. 
And just, I don't know, man. 

719
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,100
It'd be crazy. 
Yeah, man, and it combined with 

720
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,800
your story. 
I mean, being 315, you know, 

721
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,200
diabetic at 15 years old and 
now, you know, competing because

722
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,700
I'm asking you look great man. 
You got Ton of muscle, you get 

723
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:52,700
good shape. 
I mean if you came in and 

724
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,400
competed on stage, I mean that 
would just kind of complete the 

725
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,800
full transformation. 
Damn it. 

726
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,100
I agree. 
I appreciate that. 

727
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,100
I definitely think that's 
confirmation because it's been 

728
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,300
in the back of my mind for, you 
know, a while. 

729
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:09,900
Now, I guess, one of the biggest
reasons why it's been in the 

730
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:13,200
back of my mind because I've 
been playing with, you know, 

731
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,600
kind of testing different diets 
for years, just to kind of, you 

732
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,700
know, tell people, hey, this is 
what works is what doesn't work.

733
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,900
This is how, you know, you're 
going to feel on this. 

734
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,500
Because a lot of my clients when
they kind, I'm sure you get this

735
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,700
to a lot of my clients come in. 
They are Are torn between, maybe

736
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:33,000
30, 40, 50 different things on 
Google, they don't know where to

737
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,500
go, they don't know what works 
and they want to try it all. 

738
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:40,600
So as a vegan when they come in 
for me, you know, it's more. 

739
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,700
So it's better for me to say, 
hey, I've done the 80/10/10. 

740
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,900
We had this one lady who was 
really big, they call it the 

741
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,300
banana girl, I'm not gonna say 
any names but you know what I'm 

742
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:57,900
talking about and she I mean she
messed up the vegan community at

743
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,100
At large, a lot of people think 
they can eat 80 grand or 80 

744
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,300
percent of their calories from 
carbs and, and get abs or, you 

745
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:10,900
know, lose weight and people are
realizing now that that doesn't 

746
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:13,900
work and that they actually 
gained 15 20 pounds trying to do

747
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:18,900
it but there's so much is so 
much misinformation in this side

748
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:22,100
of the, of the, you know, 
Fitness world that I'm just 

749
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,300
trying to, you know, correct it 
and me, you know, working on my 

750
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,900
body and taking my body through 
different, you know. 

751
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,800
Jesus, and showing people that 
that doesn't work, it's really 

752
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,000
been helpful. 
Yeah, man. 

753
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
I'm glad you said that. 
I think there's there's so much 

754
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,700
to be said for the actual macro 
ratio break that. 

755
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,300
That's one of my biggest gripes 
with the different types and 

756
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:43,200
philosophies of food. 
And in that in general, I mean, 

757
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,900
you've got like the Paleo 
community and it's pretty much 

758
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,600
just, you know, eat what was 
ever there in the ancestor of 

759
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
times. 
You get, you know, my base, you 

760
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,700
have vegan, but the cool thing 
that Kido does entree to all the

761
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,300
others, is that it puts an 
emphasis on the actual Michael 

762
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:00,800
ratio break down. 
So you can, you know, eat 

763
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,500
different foods to hit that 
break down, but when you focus 

764
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:08,500
on that, it really puts an 
emphasis on, you know, the how 

765
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,600
your body is going to be 
absorbing and metabolically 

766
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,800
using those fuels. 
And and it matters like calorie 

767
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,400
obviously is not just a calorie,
we know this. 

768
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,400
So when you, you know, approach 
any type of diet, okay? 

769
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,900
As long as I fit Within These 
parameters of what type of food 

770
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:24,300
this is, but don't give any 
thought to what the you know 

771
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,200
ratio of those macronutrients 
break down to you kind of set 

772
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,600
yourself up or two. 
Right? 

773
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,600
I agree. 
Absolutely agreement. 

774
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,300
That that has been a huge part 
of you know just doing keto not 

775
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,000
just for myself. 
But with my clients it's been 

776
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
amazing. 
Just because like you said it, 

777
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,100
the focus is the macros and this
is kind of what I've been 

778
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:50,300
teaching the vegan Community 
because up until maybe a couple 

779
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:55,100
months ago when Wilco released 
his book, the keto Terrian which

780
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,800
is a huge huge step, that was a 
great Great book. 

781
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:03,000
And I love that he came out with
the book because he really said 

782
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,300
a lot of things that I've been 
trying to teach for, I mean 

783
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:10,200
years, but of course, I was one 
of the only people saying it. 

784
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,400
So, we'll go coming out and 
having that backup of saying, 

785
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,600
you know, hey, veganism or 
vegetarianism can be done Quito,

786
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,700
it was huge. 
So now, people are actually 

787
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:24,700
focusing on the macros instead 
of the diet itself because if 

788
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:28,500
you go into the vegan world and 
you say Quito, First thing that 

789
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,400
comes to many vegans Minds is 
that all you have to eat a lot 

790
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,100
of bacon on that diet and it's 
like know how Miss educated are 

791
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,500
you. 
You know how, how crazy is that,

792
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,100
that you just automatically 
think that you have to eat a 

793
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:46,100
certain, you know, food type on 
that diet and me, you know, kind

794
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:50,400
of introducing keto as a vegan 
option has shown people. 

795
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,600
That is more so about the macros
and not, what's in the actual 

796
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,200
diet, 100%, man, I hate it. 
When I hear, you know, I talked 

797
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,400
about Quito and people just 
assume that the best way to do 

798
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Quito is just bacon eggs and 
butter. 

799
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,300
And it's like, I mean, I don't 
even eat that much bacon and 

800
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:07,000
eggs. 
Like, I write, I do like bacon 

801
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,200
eggs, but that's a very, very 
small percentage of the overall 

802
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,800
food that I'm assuming. 
So, it's a, I mean, with any of 

803
00:44:12,808 --> 00:44:16,200
that shit, I'll make sure you 
get a diverse nutrient pool from

804
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,100
a variety of sources and people 
can't think that right? 

805
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,800
Mmm. 
Absolutely. 

806
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:24,600
So talk about that gesture, man.
I got, I know, you know, with 

807
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,900
what the traditional corn are 
key to approach. 

808
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:32,400
You're not In as much carbs are 
not getting as much fiber on 

809
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,900
average. 
Like, I even take my clients 

810
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,200
down to as low as 10 grams of 
total carbs, like, in that 

811
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,700
contest prep scenario. 
A lot of people's concern with 

812
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,400
that is not get enough fiber to 
be regular. 

813
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,500
Some people are carnivore and 
they just avoid it entirely and 

814
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:48,400
they seem to have fun digestion.
What, what's digestion like? 

815
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,600
And how does that change when 
you're going with a vegan 

816
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,600
vertical? 
It depends on where, of course, 

817
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:56,700
like I said, you know, 
everything's in context, but for

818
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:00,600
the most like the Everage person
who comes in, usually there, I 

819
00:45:00,607 --> 00:45:05,300
mean, just crazy lie in this 
hike, our space, that's what 

820
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:08,400
mostly what I deal with. 
So what I noticed usually is 

821
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,900
that it's a period that we have 
to go through to change the 

822
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:16,500
utilization of nutrients because
the body is so used to carbs 

823
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,000
that it actually I have a lot of
people who gag the first time 

824
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,300
they start eating fats because 
the body is trying to push away,

825
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:26,000
it doesn't want the fat, it 
wants the carbs, you know, 

826
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,300
because it's been running on 
carbs for how many years Years. 

827
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:32,800
So digestion is usually a little
rough for them until we get 

828
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,500
through that initial phase. 
And a lot of times, I actually 

829
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:40,300
take my clients through a three 
day fast to slingshot them into 

830
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:43,600
ketosis because most people are 
a lot of people don't know that 

831
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,700
fasting helps you to get in 
ketosis much faster. 

832
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:51,300
So we'll go through a three day 
fast, which allows their body to

833
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,700
start tapping into the into 
those natural fats that they 

834
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:58,700
have stored. 
Those fats that are Colonel and 

835
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:01,800
once we start tapping into that 
we slowly get into ketosis, I 

836
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,300
introduce those Foods back to 
them. 

837
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,000
The same foods that were that 
was making them gag or, you 

838
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,000
know, they couldn't get down or 
digest or, you know, it was 

839
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,800
causing them to have 
constipation when we come back 

840
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,100
out of the three day fast, a lot
of times, they are much better. 

841
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:21,400
They're digesting the foods. 
I checked with my so I have 

842
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,400
walkie-talkie access to all of 
my clients so we, you know, I 

843
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,000
give them. 
Check-ins and say, hey, how's 

844
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,800
the digestion going now? 
Almost every 100 percent of the 

845
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,800
time. 
Pretty much. 

846
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,300
They come back and they're like,
hey, this is amazing. 

847
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:35,200
Now, my digestive system is 
great. 

848
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,900
I'm feeling like a feeling of 
euphoria, it's just totally 

849
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:42,000
different. 
So if we don't do that, I 

850
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,800
noticed it. 
The digestion is just it takes a

851
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,400
lot longer when you're trying to
go from high carbs to Quito, but

852
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,200
once they're in it, the 
digestion is amazing. 

853
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,600
Have you had any people that are
already keto, kind of falling 

854
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,900
like a really low carb. 
Low fiber approach and then go 

855
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,900
vegan and increase their total 
Barb significantly. 

856
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,500
But all from fiber sources like 
this, are any change in 

857
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:06,800
digestion there that you've 
noticed. 

858
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:13,100
Yeah, definitely I'd say maybe 
my last, I say the last six 

859
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:17,300
months I probably had about five
people come in who were doing 

860
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:20,300
traditional you know, quote 
unquote traditional keto, 

861
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:25,300
whether eating some meat based 
options and then they just want 

862
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,800
to try it out. 
They want to go vegan. 

863
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,800
They want to see if they can do 
it. 

864
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:32,500
And the big difference is that 
we notice is that one, I hear a 

865
00:47:32,508 --> 00:47:37,000
lot of people say that their 
energy is different and 

866
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000
sometimes it goes one way, 
sometimes it goes. 

867
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,500
And this is kind of how I'm able
to tell whether or not they 

868
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,800
should stay inside the vegan 
diet, some people, they kind of 

869
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,700
lose their energy, you know, I 
don't really feel, you know, I 

870
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,900
feel like I'm missing something.
I get that a lot when they get 

871
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,800
the pins and needles would 
usually is a B12 deficiency or, 

872
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,800
you know, or B vitamin overall 
deficiency. 

873
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,000
But You know, they get that, you
know, crazy feeling I said, 

874
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
okay, well let's try adding a 
little salmon to that and 

875
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,400
usually it works. 
And then I have the other people

876
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,900
who usually go the opposite way,
and they're like, oh my gosh, 

877
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:11,300
like I feel much better doing 
you know much more vegetables 

878
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:13,300
and you know some avocado and 
olives. 

879
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:16,400
It feels great over here. 
My skin is great. 

880
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,900
You know the ladies you know the
menstrual cycles are doing 

881
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,100
great. 
Some you know a lot of people 

882
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:25,400
come to me who have PCOS so you 
know that starts to improve. 

883
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,600
So yeah man it just it depends 
on It is a context, but I've 

884
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,300
seen both app, this is fast. 
Hey man, I don't know if I could

885
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:35,500
ever imagine, Love Me. 
Do, give around, like I said, 

886
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,100
the whole texture and taste of 
meat is like a euphoric thing 

887
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:41,400
for me instead of a bad thing, 
but I would totally be down to 

888
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,000
try like vegan for a month. 
And just kind of see how my body

889
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,800
responded probably wait until 
after this 6,000 calories. 

890
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,200
A thing that I'm doing for six 
months because it would be just 

891
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,700
too much variables in there. 
But, yeah, I would, I would 

892
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,400
totally give this, not the just 
see how my body respond, I think

893
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,700
would be fascinating. 
Because it's just such a, you 

894
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,200
know, opposite end of the 
spectrum from, you know, kind of

895
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,600
what I've done in the past. 
Yeah, man. 

896
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,200
And as always, if you need, got 
any questions, you need 

897
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,600
anything, then we'll chop it up.
You know, we can go over some 

898
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,500
things to see how you want to do
it. 

899
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,500
But I really think the space 
that you're in right now, I 

900
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:21,000
think you're already in a good 
place to transition. 

901
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,700
The reason why I say that is 
because a lot of my bigger guys 

902
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,500
because I've worked with some 
body builders as well, who try 

903
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:31,900
to go vegan and they want to do 
it, the carp route, and I 

904
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:36,100
noticed that when you're running
on carbs and you try to come 

905
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,800
over to vegan diet, you lose a 
lot of weight. 

906
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,100
Because of course if you're not 
giving your body, the same 

907
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:44,600
amount of carbs you're trying to
cut and you start to rely on 

908
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,300
protein for, you know, of 
course, gluconeogenesis you 

909
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:50,600
start to cut in weight a lot 
quicker. 

910
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:55,100
I've seen it happen so many 
times, but with you and your 

911
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,400
space, your already keto adapted
or fat adapted. 

912
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,700
So it would just be simply 
switching the types of food. 

913
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,700
You're eating, I don't think you
lose Eight as far as, you know, 

914
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:06,500
muscle mass. 
I think you would maintain it 

915
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,500
because you have those ketones 
being produced already. 

916
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,700
So you you're in a good place to
make that transition. 

917
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:14,500
Yeah man. 
I'll definitely give it a shot 

918
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,500
like I'll try anything once I 
think I think this would be 

919
00:50:16,508 --> 00:50:17,400
good. 
I'm excited. 

920
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,300
I don't mean to two jars are all
of them and it's a lot. 

921
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,400
Oh yeah that's just one of my 
favorites man that's something I

922
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,400
leaned on a lot. 
I love my eyelids. 

923
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,900
That's probably my favorite food
right now. 

924
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:32,900
Olives and pumpkin seeds. 
I do love this miles and 

925
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:33,500
pumpkins. 
Dad. 

926
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:36,500
So I can then got here yogurt, 
man, I can make it happen. 

927
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,900
Oh, yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

928
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,100
And then after that, man. 
I mean, you do a couple things 

929
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:45,100
of, you know, the chi heal or, 
you know, some olives a little 

930
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:47,800
avocado here and there and then 
everything else after that is 

931
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,600
either a vegetable or you know, 
maybe a nut. 

932
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:53,300
You know. 
Peanut almond Macadamia. 

933
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,700
I like my macadamia nuts. 
So yeah. 

934
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,000
I like it. 
I like it. 

935
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,600
I really appreciate it, man. 
I feel like, you know, you're 

936
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,400
coming from a place where you're
not Making your food, your 

937
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,500
religion. 
And it's not like an ethical 

938
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:08,100
thing. 
So much. 

939
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:10,200
It is, you know, what works best
for your body. 

940
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:11,800
What works best for your 
clients. 

941
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,700
Let's experiment, kind of tweak 
things and see what's going to 

942
00:51:14,707 --> 00:51:17,600
optimize for you, which I 
totally respect and appreciate 

943
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,100
that. 
I think that's how food should 

944
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,000
be. 
I mean food as a fuel be treated

945
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,100
as such, but I'm curious, man, 
like what is your whole take on,

946
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:27,800
you know, you and I are both 
having the same spot in that. 

947
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,800
We're just, you know, like said 
looking at food as a fuel, but 

948
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,900
there's like this ever raging 
Date between carnivore. 

949
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,500
Specifically versus vegan right 
now. 

950
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,900
And it's vegans have always been
kind of the ones that are 

951
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,600
supposedly in their own cult and
it's just like don't mess with 

952
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,300
the vegans. 
But now I'm in carnivores 

953
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,800
becoming something very similar 
and it's just interesting for me

954
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,500
to kind of like stand back and 
watch the war rage on. 

955
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:55,800
But but what do you think about 
it with your whole take on the 

956
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,200
the community as a whole just 
kind of a high level picture of 

957
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,200
it? 
Yeah man for one I think is I 

958
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,600
think it's quite sad. 
The reason why I say that This 

959
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,100
because these both on both 
sides, I'm sure. 

960
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:09,600
Carnivore helps many people 
because I've seen people with 

961
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,600
autoimmune disease or something 
like that autoimmune issues. 

962
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,400
I've seen them have a good 
benefits on it, especially if 

963
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,500
that's where, you know, your 
lineage comes from, you know, 

964
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,600
mostly meat-based back. 
It works same thing with 

965
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,400
veganism. 
I've noticed, I've seen a lot of

966
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,700
great things done inside of 
veganism. 

967
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:32,000
And I say it's sad because the 
behavior or the activity that 

968
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,600
these both of these sides, Are 
doing it pushes people away. 

969
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,500
It puts a bad taste in people's 
mouths. 

970
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,500
So if I'm looking at going vegan
and then I have all of these 

971
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:44,600
vegans on my back because I'm 
not transitioning fast enough, 

972
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,200
or because I'm wearing leather, 
and I'm just trying to focus on 

973
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,400
my diet right now, but I'm 
wearing leather, you're going to

974
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,400
talk crap, you know, it pisses 
me off, to be honest and that's 

975
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,300
kind of why, you know, I try to 
stay in the middle and I try to,

976
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,900
I try to say, hey, I'm with you 
on the vegan part. 

977
00:53:01,900 --> 00:53:05,100
I think it's great for the body,
but hey, That sounds great too 

978
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,100
but don't and this is on both 
sides. 

979
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:10,900
Don't push what works for you on
other people? 

980
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:14,500
Because everybody, you know, 
it's different and to be quite 

981
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:17,200
Frank. 
A lot of times, I tell people, 

982
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,400
hey, I can't because I've had, 
I've literally had people come 

983
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,700
to me and ask me why don't you, 
you know, participate more in 

984
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,000
activism. 
And I tell them, I said, hey, I 

985
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,600
have friends and family here 
right now who are afraid, you 

986
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,200
know, of the for their lives as 
a black man. 

987
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:35,200
Man, some of them are afraid for
their lives. 

988
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,400
I can't focus on another animal 
or anything without focusing on 

989
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,800
what I have to worry about in my
livelihood right now because 

990
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,100
I've had certain instances also,
as an African-American man where

991
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,300
I've been in certain cases. 
You know, let's just be honest, 

992
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:52,100
we're still in the South and not
everybody is Progressive. 

993
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:57,000
So that that is something I had 
to tell a lot of people that you

994
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,700
are on your journey. 
I'm on my journey and I'm 

995
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,300
helping thousands of people go 
vegan. 

996
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,300
You got to get off my back. 
Just because I may still wear 

997
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:09,000
leather or, you know, and same 
thing for, you know, carnivore 

998
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,500
it works for you but hey don't 
push that on me, you know? 

999
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:15,900
So yeah, man, I I don't know, I 
feel I feel sad about the whole 

1000
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:18,100
situation. 
No, I'm in the same boat, man. 

1001
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:23,500
Like it's it's comical that, you
know, somebody's food, what's on

1002
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,500
your plate? 
Can just cause so much negative 

1003
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:30,400
energy and emotion and rivalry. 
So it's sad that it's come to 

1004
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,100
that point, but I guess it's 
just people get gung-ho and are 

1005
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:35,100
passionate about Something 
that's just kind of like yeah 

1006
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,300
but with regarding nutrition and
dieting man, I've always 

1007
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:43,400
encouraged people to never deal 
in absolutes or just assume that

1008
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,100
their way is the best way. 
Because I mean at the end of the

1009
00:54:46,107 --> 00:54:48,100
day there's so much variety out 
there. 

1010
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:50,200
Why would we want to distract 
from that? 

1011
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,500
And you know you know paint the 
same picture. 

1012
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,400
Like I'm glad that there's 
vegans out there. 

1013
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,600
I'm glad there's people that 
that hate meet. 

1014
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,800
I'm glad there's people of all 
different walks of life. 

1015
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,400
I mean I'm going to do what 
works for me. 

1016
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:03,900
I'm gonna try and do best, you 
know, by my clients a can And 

1017
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:09,200
same to you but it's just I know
it's not likely they were all 

1018
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,100
going to just get along but it's
sad that we don't over something

1019
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:16,100
as simple as what boots, Put 
your mouth right and and I heard

1020
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:19,800
Jimmy more say, something along 
this lines, where is Jimmy 

1021
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Moore? 
And I think it was real cold 

1022
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,600
that time, I heard this and he 
says, Quito is probably going to

1023
00:55:26,607 --> 00:55:31,800
be one of the closest things to 
merging the two because you have

1024
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,600
meat eaters who can go And you 
have vegans who can all agree 

1025
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,300
that keto works. 
And I love that when he said 

1026
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,800
that, it made so much sense, it 
made so much sense, because he's

1027
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,600
right? 
So, you know, if we can just 

1028
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,700
push apart the emotions, because
a lot of this stuff is emotional

1029
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:52,500
if we can just sit down our 
emotions and we just look and 

1030
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,900
see what actually works will be 
a lot better off. 

1031
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,900
No, I totally am in total 
degree. 

1032
00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:59,700
That's, that's fine. 
You know, you're doing your 

1033
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:01,500
thing, I'm doing my thing and 
we're just going everything we 

1034
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:04,800
can collectively to spread the 
Word and make the world a 

1035
00:56:04,808 --> 00:56:07,500
healthier Place, absolutely 
brother. 

1036
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,700
Absolutely, I love it. 
Love it as well. 

1037
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:11,900
Ma'am tape again. 
I appreciate the time brother. 

1038
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:13,900
Well, if this again, I'm 
definitely going to hit you up 

1039
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:16,500
when I decided to give this, you
know, month of Eagan and try. 

1040
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:18,900
Because I'll have all kinds of 
questions for sure. 

1041
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:21,200
But what will definitely be in 
touch me? 

1042
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,200
Because I said I'm learning and 
I appreciate respecter, you 

1043
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,500
know, you take on this whole 
thing and I think make a big, 

1044
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,400
big difference in positive 
impact, a lot of people you're 

1045
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,600
mine definitely. 
I'm looking towards looking for 

1046
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,300
that time, man. 
Don't be great great and then 

1047
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:38,200
hey, if you decide to stay or 
go, it's all good. 

1048
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,000
I just I appreciate you feeling,
you know, being open and giving 

1049
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,900
it a Truck. 
Yeah, 100% man. 

1050
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,400
I think being open minded is, if
people are more people are 

1051
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,200
open-minded, we wouldn't have to
deal with there near the 

1052
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,200
bullshit that we just got done 
talking about with there being 

1053
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,400
so much conflict up there. 
Absolutely what's a man until 

1054
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,500
next time brother. 
Again, I appreciate the time and

1055
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:58,900
we'll be in touch. 
Yeah, well we're from and find 

1056
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:59,900
out more about you. 
I meant it. 

1057
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:06,600
Oh, so pretty much anywhere. 
Just Google or search the vegan 

1058
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000
trainer. 
I'm they're pretty much YouTube 

1059
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Instagram Facebook. 
The vegan trainer is where I 

1060
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,900
reside sweet sweet. 
A link at that to make it easy 

1061
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:18,600
for people to find you. 
Perfect. 

1062
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,900
Perfect. 
Thanks man. 

1063
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:21,400
You bet they have it going 
brother. 

1064
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:22,300
You too man.