1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Well hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,760 and today I've got special guest Rob Goodwin back on the line. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,320 I had Rob on the podcast way back in 20/17/2018. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,960 We had a great conversation then. 5 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:15,400 He is also a coach in the Keto Carnivore space and we talked 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,480 about this quite a bit in the podcast. 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,400 But for whatever reason people in the community like to pit 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,000 coaches against one another, whereas and at the end of the 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,760 day we have a lot more common ground than not. 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,080 So we wanted to just bring all that to light, talk about some 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,040 of our similarities, talk about some of our difference, do so in 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,560 a respectful manner and just appreciate the company and the 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,280 expertise of one another. So I thoroughly enjoyed the 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,920 conversation. We talked about training, we 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,760 talked about nutrition, we talked about protein, fats, 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,080 carbohydrates, we talked about a little bit of everything. 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,160 So again, I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,440 Always get something good out of it. 19 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Talking to Rob, I have no doubt that you will as well. 20 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,000 So without further delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the podcast 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:07,120 with Rob Goodwin and we are live. 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,280 Rob, how are you man? I am awesome, brother. 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,960 It is so great to talk to you again. 24 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,480 It's been way too. Long. 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,520 It has. It has. 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,920 We did the first podcast. I think we decided it was like 27 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,080 early 2018 or something like that and we've corresponded a 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,240 bit on e-mail since then. But honestly, we haven't chatted 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,160 too much and quite sometimes this would be a good catch up 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,440 call for the. Yeah, man, I think we've been 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,160 busy a little. I mean, you think we have. 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,320 We have. I know you're up to a lot of 33 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,800 stuff. And I, you know, I think it's, 34 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,800 you know, people like us in the space, whatever you want to call 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,480 this space now, you know, we kind of spy on each other a 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,840 little bit on social media and you know, on occasion we'll be 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,440 like, hey, look what he's doing. That's cool. 38 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,280 That's awesome. But we're so stuck and involved 39 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,520 in our own things and it's it's good to have this medium that we 40 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,920 can reach out and and get caught up again, dude. 41 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,760 Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean I love the podcasting and 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,600 medium cause like on social I've kind of gone to this whole, you 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,640 know, post and ghost approach. Like I used to scroll, I used to 44 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,120 be guilty of that, but honestly, I don't scroll anymore on the 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,120 time. I don't have the desire, like 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,320 I'll put what I'm doing out there, I'll interact with 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,800 people, I'll add value when possible, but just mindlessly 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,200 scrolling lends itself to this comparison game and it's just a 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,520 waste of time at the end of the day. 50 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,600 So I I've tried to avoid that if at all possible. 100% I I've 51 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,760 kind of pigeonholed myself into just kind of the YouTube thing 52 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,080 that's that's kind of where I've evolved into and that's where 53 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,720 I'm putting the, you know, I'm a I'm a full time coach. 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,320 I mean there there's no question about that and that's what I do. 55 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,680 But in terms of getting my information out there, I've been 56 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,640 really focusing on the YouTube medium. 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,400 So I really only have you know, one thing that I need to look at 58 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,680 and that's some of the comments on those videos and and the 59 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,880 great thing about YouTube is for what I'm doing, you know 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 everything is, is is very directly involved to the content 61 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,720 that is there. And I I'm the same as you 62 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,880 brother. I don't really do the the the 63 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,520 comments things on on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook and all 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,240 that stuff. I stick to my Facebook group and 65 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,040 the people that I interact with on YouTube and that's about it. 66 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,520 I think that's just a healthier place to be. 100% and YouTube's 67 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,840 a good medium too, because it's just a longer format, you know, 68 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,360 like with this, I don't really like any of the social platforms 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,440 that are incredibly small because like the headline bullet 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,320 points. Like, I'd rather listen to a 71 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,840 podcast that's an hour long or watch a YouTube video where you 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,560 can actually see what the person's trying to convey and it 73 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,760 not get conflicted with just misinterpretation. 100% I 74 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,040 totally agree with you brother. When it comes to 75 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,440 misinterpretation, I feel like since you and I are both so 76 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,800 busy, we often times hear of what each other is doing because 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,800 of one of our clients or something that somebody brings 78 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,720 to our attention as opposed to us actually seeing it ourselves. 79 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,120 And for whatever reason, people in this space, but probably any 80 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,560 space, are always trying to pit people against one another, 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,840 which is unfortunate. I don't like that at all, but 82 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,520 you and I are both keto carnivore bodybuilders. 83 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,400 And with that said, I'm constantly getting people that 84 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,880 are like, hey, have you checked out and see what SO and so's 85 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,200 doing or what do you think about this approach or that approach 86 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,520 or he says this, you say that. So I think the intra webs would 87 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,040 if they had it their way, you and I would be mortal enemies 88 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,200 against one another. You're exactly right. 89 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,560 And and you know, just for full Full disclosure for for all of 90 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,360 your listeners, you know, we sort of United a little bit and 91 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,160 got back in touch because we both had a, a mutual competitor 92 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,400 in the industry. And, you know, you were, you 93 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,320 know, kind and gracious enough to reach out to kind of the 94 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,640 three of us went back and forth and it was just a really 95 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,760 refreshing thing. And instantly it came to mind. 96 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,000 I I I'm under attack all the time. 97 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,800 First it was in the keto community because, Oh my gosh, 98 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,760 he actually gave his competitors some carbohydrates, Oh my gosh, 99 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,960 He's not giving them, you know, 95% fat and all this stuff. 100 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,200 So I took a lot of heat for that. 101 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,840 And then I sort of evolved more into the carnivore space because 102 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:05,000 it just made more sense to me. It was my natural evolution. 103 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,120 And I talk about that a lot on my YouTube channel. 104 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,480 But, you know, what I found is in in that community as well, 105 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,040 there's so much silly infighting over small ideological 106 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,760 differences. And you know, I I thought to 107 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,880 myself, this pettiness, this silliness, I mean, we're no 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,640 better than the damn vegans, you know? 109 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,120 So I thought to myself, you know, when when we sort of 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 interacted, I had this sort of light bulb moment go over my 111 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,040 head and I thought, you know what, we should talk again. 112 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,880 Because if there's anybody out there that I feel like, you 113 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,680 know, I could unite with in this sort of broad ancestral health 114 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,480 world that we are both, you know, you know, entrenched in 115 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,400 that you and I could have a very intelligent, intelligent 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,400 conversation and show people even though we have some mild 117 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,440 differences in our ideology, how we prescribe thing to clients, 118 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,920 you know, what we believe in those things are so small. 119 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,360 Why can't we focus more as a community to to to band 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,680 together. And I said, you know, use our 121 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,880 powers for good and not evil because there are truly so many 122 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,360 broken people out there that we could really direct our 123 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,640 influence toward and truly help instead of bickering over, you 124 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,640 know, a few carbs in our diet or whether we should drink coffee 125 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,240 or or some of these things. And it's just getting to a point 126 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,880 where it's driving me crazy, where you know, all this 127 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,840 infighting within the space when I think we all need to kind of 128 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,800 take a breath and kind of turn around and face away from the 129 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,720 choir, you know, and and really try to get out there and help 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,720 people who are truly suffering and who are truly in need. 131 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,320 Because at the end of the day, you know, we're both coaches. 132 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,360 We've been doing this for a long time. 133 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,680 I've been doing this for nearly 30 years and I've coached 134 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,120 thousands of people. It's it's just amazing. 135 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,440 You know, this journey that I've been on and if there's one thing 136 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,680 that I know is like every human is slightly different from the 137 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,920 next and there's really in my opinion. 138 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Now you may disagree with this and I would love to hear it. 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,440 When I was I was trying to really narrow down, you know, 140 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,680 what are the true bullet points that we could all agree with. 141 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,360 And there really just aren't many but the ones. 142 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,840 But even though we don't agree 100%, it's just such a small, 143 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,960 you know, Ding in the armor that it really, at the end of the day 144 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,720 doesn't really matter because it's everybody's each individual 145 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,160 tolerance to things. And I think we can all agree 146 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,360 that, you know, seed oil suck. You know, they've only been 147 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,840 around for about 65 years. There's not a damn good thing 148 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,760 about them. They suck and you know, tons of 149 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,840 excess sugar that sucks. And really beyond that, 150 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,280 everything else is pretty much open to interpretation. 151 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,720 And that's why I sort of evolved into you know, what I call a 152 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,880 hyper carnivore diet or what is a hyper carnivore diet. 153 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:54,040 Because by definition a hyper carnivore diet is a a animal 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,920 mammal species that consumes 70% or more of their, you know, food 155 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,240 from animal based sources. And I think that's an excellent 156 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,360 start for just about anybody out there. 157 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,320 And the remaining 30% can be open to interpretation based on 158 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,400 that individual. You know, some days I'm 95% 159 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,200 carnivore, some days I'm 80% carnivore. 160 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,760 But if you, you know, project out into this culture that, hey, 161 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,160 I had some onions in my ground beef today, you know, they 162 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,480 attack you like you just, you know, set their sister on fire. 163 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,560 And it's just absolute insanity as far as I'm concerned. 164 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,880 So you know, I'm, I'm going off into the weeds here with that 165 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,480 question. But I thought, you know, who 166 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:42,080 better than Robert to get with to maybe unite together and 167 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,720 bring some sanity back to this insanity that that's been 168 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,840 happening recently? Yeah, totally agree, man. 169 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,600 And like like you said, there's a lot more common ground than 170 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,840 not. And you know, honestly, there's 171 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,920 a lot of common ground that our community shares with the the 172 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,080 vegan demographic because they're wanting to take care of 173 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,480 the planet, which you can do through proper regenerative 174 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:01,680 agriculture. That's something I've really 175 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,720 been diving into. You've got chickens as well. 176 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,200 I was asking you about chickens in an e-mail. 177 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,200 We can talk about homesteading on this as well. 178 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,320 But yeah, I think no good comes from this negative approach and 179 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,120 this dogmatic way of thinking. When I sent you that e-mail 180 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,280 because one of my clients moved over to you, I was pretty deep 181 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,160 in prep. I had like, I was on my third of 182 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:28,240 or fourth of five shows, and at that point in my life, like, I'm 183 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,640 just incredibly grateful. Like when I'm super deep and 184 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,520 deprived, I'm taking one moment at a time and I'm just 185 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,680 incredibly grateful. Like I don't have any time for 186 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,320 negative thoughts or energy to be in my sphere right now. 187 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,520 So I'm just going to shoot Rob an e-mail, tell him I think he's 188 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,800 awesome, congratulate our client for doing what she's doing. 189 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,320 She looks great. You know, like what? 190 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,880 What better way to just cut any negativity that could creep up 191 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,400 by sending a positive e-mail. But I think if more people 192 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,560 thought like that, the world would certainly find more common 193 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:00,120 ground as opposed to immediately, you know, going to 194 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,280 some form of negativity. But yeah, when it comes to, you 195 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,520 know, carnivore, hyper carnivore, general approaches 196 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,640 towards food, like I'm pretty much carnivores, well and by 197 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,240 your definition of hyper carnivore, I am. 198 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,960 I mean, I literally eat very. I mean minimal vegetation, like 199 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,280 I might have a jalapeno pop, or a stuffed mushroom, or some 200 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,080 seasoning with garlic salt like that's pretty much the extent of 201 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,920 my vegetation. I eat nothing but animal 202 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,600 products and a keto brick every day. 203 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,200 But a keto brick is not technically carnivore, so I 204 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,760 don't claim to be carnivore. Oh, then you're out of the club, 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,320 man. You're. 206 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Out, I'm out, I'm, I'm exiled. But when you look at my caloric 207 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,160 intake and you know how much animal based product I'm 208 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,120 consuming, it's predominantly all within the carnivore scope. 209 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,640 But it's like, you know, I don't care what people eat. 210 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,640 I want people to be healthy. I want to encourage people to 211 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,240 minimize processed food, seed oils and excess sugar 212 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,280 consumption. But we all want that. 213 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,080 So why can't we just all double down on that foundational belief 214 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,080 system as opposed to nitpicking these, you know, majoring in the 215 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,880 minor details that benefits no one? 216 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,000 Yeah, 100%. And, you know, it's like I had a 217 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,320 great conversation with my friend, Doctor Ted Naman, and we 218 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,600 were both kind of chuckling about it. 219 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,960 You know, we said let's set aside carnivore keto any 220 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,280 definitions. And I think a good start would 221 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,440 be to agree that if you can get somebody to consume 30 plus 222 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,240 percent of their dietary intake intake from animal protein and 223 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,320 reduce the intake of processed foods, reduce seed oil intake, 224 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,520 just that lever right there could bring a dramatic impact to 225 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,720 anyone's life out there in this culture that we'll leave in 226 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,960 today. And then unfortunately, someone 227 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,040 may start down that road and then they log on to, you know, 228 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:58,720 YouTube, you know, influencer, and they get, you know, daggers 229 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,280 thrown at them because they might have had a banana. 230 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,440 You know, it's it's just and it's sheer insanity. 231 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,960 So yeah, I mean, from my personal experience, again, like 232 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,200 I said, we're both coaches and I had sort of this personal 233 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,840 evolution coming out more slightly out of the ketogenic 234 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,720 world, whatever that means these days into more of the carnivore 235 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,960 space. But I was also very vocal from 236 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,400 the outset of saying, listen, you know, let's define the terms 237 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,240 here because what I've discovered working with 238 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,120 countless people in the trenches in real time, it is, it is a few 239 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,040 things. And what I have found is if if 240 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,800 you look at the fossil record, if you look back into history, 241 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,320 you know, you get these guys and these women nowadays that are 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,920 just consuming what what could be best described as a lion 243 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,920 diet, they're just eating red meat, maybe some salt and some 244 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,200 water. And number one, I always say if 245 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,920 that's your thing and you're thriving on that, then who am I 246 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,080 to say to change it or alter it? I say keep crushing it, Good for 247 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,040 you. But in my experience as a coach 248 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,160 working one-on-one on one, you know, we're clinicians, you 249 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,920 know, we work directly with people. 250 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,000 And I know that for most of the people I work with, that's just 251 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,360 not a sustainable thing nor is it rooted in any real ancestral 252 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,840 health. It's only recently that people 253 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,520 were are subsisting on a 100% cooked muscle meat diet. 254 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,280 If you look back at our history, our ancestors were depending on 255 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,320 geographical regions, they were hyper carnivores, they and they 256 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,680 were, you know, creatures of opportunity. 257 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,640 So there was a survival hierarchy throughout history. 258 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,240 And if you look at the simplicity of the original 259 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,640 survival hierarchy of our ancestors before the advent of 260 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,640 modern agriculture and the industrial revolution, that 261 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,520 survival hierarchy was very simple. 262 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,120 It was kill an animal and consume it nose to tail and 263 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,000 utilize it for all the good things that it can do for you 264 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,640 both through human nutrition and tools and, you know, clothing. 265 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,920 And then the next in the survival hierarchy would have 266 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,440 been, you know, fire and warmth would have been shelter, would 267 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,160 have been water, obviously. And then it would have simply 268 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,440 been procreation, survival of the species, everything. 269 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Beyond that, we were creatures of opportunity. 270 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,320 So if you lived anywhere where it where there's a climate, 271 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,080 where vegetation could occur, you know, especially at the 272 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,240 equator or below it, if one of our ancestors were out on that 273 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,680 hunt trying to fulfill part of that survival hierarchy, he was 274 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,560 also a creature of opportunity. If he were to stumble across a 275 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,200 Raspberry Bush or a blueberry Bush, he would have, you know, 276 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,680 consumed that thing, completely gorged himself and taken what he 277 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,720 couldn't consume back to his family. 278 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,560 And that would have been the same for, you know, like a, like 279 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,360 a, like a beehive for honey. It could have been wildflowers, 280 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,880 It could have been certain root tubers. 281 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,040 It could have been insects. We were also scavengers. 282 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,920 If a, an apex predator brought down a animal, they would eat 283 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,760 their film and they would walk away from it. 284 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 If we were to stumble across that, we would take the rest. 285 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,680 That's just what we did. So to say that our ancestors 286 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,240 across the board were 100% carnivore is just not accurate. 287 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,680 And beyond that, what I found extremely interesting working 288 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,280 with people also is I have had a lot of people come to me wanting 289 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,000 to sort of fix their carnivore diet, and a lot of it has to do 290 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,840 with a carnivore diet relative to their athletic performance or 291 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,960 their training. These are active, thriving 292 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,440 people who want to look their best and be their best. 293 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,960 And I have people coming to me and saying, you know, I started 294 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,960 doing this super strict carnivore diet. 295 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,600 I've been in ketosis a long time or whatever, and my hair is 296 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,080 falling out or I'm not thriving on my workout. 297 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,960 So I'm having severe bouts of insomnia. 298 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,680 My testosterone lowered, my SHBG level shot through the roof. 299 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,920 I've got women coming to me with thyroid issues. 300 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:54,160 Their T4 to T3 conversion is out of whack and this is really 301 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,240 going to blow people's minds. So, so don't cancel me for 302 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,480 saying this, but by adding a small carbohydrate intervention 303 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,000 to some of these people or changing their fat to protein 304 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,920 ratio or giving them more total macro nutrients, We've seen a 305 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,880 lot of these problems be alleviated. 306 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,440 Where there are some people out there in that space who would 307 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,120 never would have suggested any of those things because it took 308 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,400 away from what they've been marketing for so long. 309 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,960 And it might be a reduction in book sales for them or whatever, 310 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,040 which I just think is is criminal. 311 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,200 So you know, again, I don't have any weird emotional attachment 312 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,600 to this stuff. I only try to prescribe to each 313 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,160 individual client that I work with what I both truly believe 314 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,440 in. My heart of hearts is going to 315 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,680 work for them. And client A's macros and 316 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,080 caloric ceiling may be completely different from BCD 317 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,640 and all the way down. And the other thing that I've 318 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,120 really sort of had this epiphany on is I truly believe there's a 319 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,320 difference between having a carb tolerance and a carb threshold. 320 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,760 Now once again, I get that this, this is complete, you know, 321 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,160 wackery if if you're out there in the space and you're a 322 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,079 hardcore carnivore, whatever that means. 323 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,680 But you know, I have clients that come to me that truly we 324 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,319 have to give them a carb tolerance, meaning just the 325 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,280 smallest amount could send them into an absolute tailspin, 326 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,200 metabolic tailspin. And that's because there's been 327 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,160 so many years that they've been inundated with way too much 328 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,560 carbohydrate, way too much processed food, way too much 329 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,839 seed oils, way too much inactivity, whatever the case 330 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:31,280 may be. And they have such metabolic 331 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,880 distress that they truly have to live under a a particular carb 332 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,080 tolerance at that point in time and try to fix themselves where 333 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,120 you and I both have a lot of people that come to us who are 334 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,640 athletes, they're ass kickers. They're crushing it in the gym. 335 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,920 They may be crushing it in the CrossFit box. 336 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,200 They may be, you know, ultra marathoners or mountain bikers 337 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,320 or jiu jitsu practitioners. We get a lot of those people. 338 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,960 In my opinion, they have a carb threshold, as do I. 339 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,880 That's the way I operate. So for me, I don't get destroyed 340 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,800 if I have a small amount of carbohydrate around a hard 341 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,640 workout or a really tough rock out on dynamic terrain. 342 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,640 So I have to determine my own personal carbohydrate threshold 343 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,680 so I can continue to crush it, have a sustainable life and find 344 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,360 that sweet spot for me. And you and I both Know also 345 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,880 that insulin has been demonized almost as bad as carbohydrate 346 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,160 has, and I think rather unfairly. 347 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Now we both know this massive tidal wave or cascade of insulin 348 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,120 coming in all the time. It clearly is a bad thing, but 349 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,240 insulin is a very necessary hormone that, you know, actually 350 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,160 adds some good things to our lives. 351 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,280 So when I have a little bit of carbohydrate around a brutal 352 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,160 workout and then maybe an hour of jiu jitsu, I'm going to 353 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,880 utilize that small amount of carbohydrate to produce high 354 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,440 intense muscular contractions. And I'm going if that small 355 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,360 amount of carbohydrate is going to be protein sparing that bump 356 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,240 in insulin is also going to be anti catabolic. 357 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,760 And there's another word that you and I both know is very 358 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,480 important and that is anabolic. So having that little bump in 359 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,800 insulin is not a terrible thing. It's having that constant 360 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,400 cascade of it throughout the day. 361 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,840 But again, somebody out there right now may be thinking, Oh my 362 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,680 gosh, he's talking about carbs and insulin. 363 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,560 I'm talking about a tiny amount for the right individual under 364 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,040 the proper circumstances and the proper amount, the proper 365 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,040 frequency. And I also acknowledge there are 366 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,880 some out there that I wouldn't give a damn Graham to. 367 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,520 They just don't tolerate it where I have some athletes that 368 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,440 can operate with, you know, up to 100 grams or more a day and 369 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,120 are thriving on that. So we have to treat each 370 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:43,560 personal under their each individual threshold or or 371 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,600 tolerance and act accordingly. But The funny thing is, and the 372 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,240 moral of the story is based on what we started talking about 373 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,720 with the problems with the space, is I can have my day be, 374 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:02,360 you know, 90% animal based meat, eggs, fatty fish and and the 375 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:05,320 like. And I may decide to have 30 376 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,680 grams of carbs right before 2 hours of crushing workouts that 377 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,720 are ahead of me. The only thing anybody ever 378 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,560 focuses on is on the banana that I ate. 379 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,960 You know it. Which may represent, you know, 380 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,000 three to 10% of my total intake for the entire day. 381 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,640 Which is just insanity to me, but so be it. 382 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,760 It is what it is. But I I move forward reassured 383 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,320 by the massive amount of feedback I get from people 384 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,680 saying hey, the changes that were made in my you know, the 385 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,600 way I'm eating, the way I'm consuming food has been 386 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,120 spectacular. It's been life changing it has 387 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,480 fixed everything. I'm crushing it again. 388 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,560 I feel great. My blood work is better. 389 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,200 So that's what I rely on is the feedback from these special 390 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,840 people that have put their trust and faith in me and and continue 391 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,400 to move them down the road in a direction that I think is going 392 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,840 to get them to whatever their ultimate destination is. 393 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,560 And that is their, their greatest level of optimized 394 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,920 genetics. And the reason that I was really 395 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,680 excited to do this again today is because I know you feel the 396 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600 same way. And I see that in some of your 397 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,760 social media output and in your podcast and what you say. 398 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,040 And you know, last thing I want to say is, you know we have that 399 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,640 mutual client that we both worked with and she had a 400 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,640 spectacular experience with both of us and gained a ton of 401 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,440 knowledge from both of us. And like I said to you in that 402 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,760 e-mail, hey, the three of us have produced one spectacular 403 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,920 young lady, and we're both proud of that. 404 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,960 So, you know, there you go. So we need we need more of that 405 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,960 buying, you know, getting together with our peers and 406 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,600 using that information to help others, and not bickering over 407 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,600 silly shit like if I ate a banana or not. 408 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,920 Yeah, 100% man. I mean, I am marching to the 409 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,800 same beat. Like, I don't consume 410 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,720 carbohydrates in an acute format as a fuel source. 411 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,880 I've pretty much just derive all that from fat and protein. 412 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,640 But I'll have a total of, you know, 30 to 40 grams of total 413 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,680 carbohydrates through the day just mixed in with various 414 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,240 forms. I mean like depending on how 415 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,440 granular you want to get, I mean like raw oysters have 416 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,600 carbohydrates in them, you know, you can just those add up 417 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,880 electrolytes have carbohydrates in them and I've got some 418 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,880 clients at 10 grams total carbs, I've got some clients at 50 419 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,680 grams total carbs depending on how their bodies responding. 420 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,240 I think simply being objective with the data and the feedback 421 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,320 the client's giving you and then adjusting it accordingly is key. 422 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,080 So many coaches get so stuck in their pattern behavior that they 423 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,720 don't treat the clients as individual, which is incredibly 424 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,200 unfortunate. Like I don't have scripted meal 425 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,480 plans that I don't that I give out. 426 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,120 I don't have like a same template that I give out. 427 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,840 Like I adjust clients macros on a weekly basis based off the 428 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,720 feedback they're giving me on a daily basis. 429 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,520 Like I am not doing anything in a scripted format. 430 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,560 And I think when you have coaches that are just trying to 431 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,520 scale to these, I mean, you can't work one-on-one with 432 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,640 people. If you're working with 300 433 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,280 clients, like it's just you can't do that. 434 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,960 You know, you can't just send out a blanket statement and say 435 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,520 this is what everybody should be doing and expect optimal results 436 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520 from all 300 people. It just doesn't work that way. 437 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,760 So yeah, take an individualized approach and we as a species 438 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,600 are, I mean we we can't really look at us like we would a lion 439 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,920 or a a zebra and be like, OK, this is the optimal diet for for 440 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,800 them because they don't really have the conscious that we do. 441 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,000 So we have this psychological component which is obviously 442 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,600 going to have a massive impact on what is sustainable, what do 443 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,960 we enjoy eating, what are the social and societal settings for 444 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,120 how we consume food. And you have to factor all that 445 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,880 into the equation, and that's going to make the sustainability 446 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,560 factor key. And if it's not sustainable for 447 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,480 you, it's not going to work for you. 448 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,080 And if you prefer higher carbohydrate intake in your 449 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,960 body's performing fine with that, then more power to you. 450 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,840 If it's not and you want to see a change, then make a change. 451 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,080 But like truly viewing it to an individual, lens is paramount as 452 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,560 a coach. Exactly 100%. 453 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,440 And you know, I had somebody say to me, Oh well, didn't you know 454 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,800 that the, the, the, the cultures back in the day that lived in 455 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:09,080 Arctic regions, they were 100%, you know, carnivore, the no 456 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,800 carbohydrate whatsoever. And I said really well what did 457 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,680 they consume? And they said, well, they just 458 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,120 would eat like, you know, like sea lions and and and Penguins 459 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,160 and shit. And I was like, OK and did you 460 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,760 know that often times they ate those animals raw, they they 461 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:28,600 liked raw meat and they also survived off of the blood and 462 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,640 raw dairy that came from a lot of those animals as well. 463 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,600 And when you consume raw meat and you drink animal blood that 464 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,520 has not been cooked, you are consuming A considerable amount 465 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,840 of muscle glycogen contained within that that blood. 466 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,160 And you're having some lactose with the raw dairy and you know 467 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,120 some is creeping in and and it doesn't have to be a large 468 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:54,160 amount. And so it's it's not how much or 469 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,480 how little but finding the precise amount required to 470 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,480 produce the the desired result. And that's going to be different 471 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,360 for every individual. So you know, while I have just 472 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:08,320 like you said, exactly like you said, I may have a client on 20 473 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,360 grams of total carbohydrate for the day. 474 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880 And that's all they can tolerate. 475 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,680 And they do better by utilizing their energy systems through 476 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,800 dietary fat and protein. And then I have some people that 477 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280 if I were to do that, they would completely fall apart. 478 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Now nobody wants to hear that because it's not sexy and it's 479 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,920 not old, you know, Joe Carnivore, but it's just the 480 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,640 truth. And once again, I operate on 481 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,160 what's in front of me, on the data that's in front of me, 482 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,520 based on being a guy that works with people in real time, in the 483 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,160 trenches and is always looking the to produce the greatest 484 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,960 desired result. You know this as well as I do. 485 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,680 We if if we don't get results from our clients, they fire us, 486 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,160 you know. And so we have to continually 487 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,840 sift through the data that were presented with on a daily, 488 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,720 weekly and monthly basis and try to, you know, arrange things to 489 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,320 give our client the best shot of reaching their greatest, you 490 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,400 know, genetic potential. And that's going to be different 491 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,840 for every single one. When you said I don't have, you 492 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,080 know, cookie cutter diets, well I don't either. 493 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,440 Why it would never work. That would never work. 494 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,800 If we gave everybody some blanket meal plan, we would have 495 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,240 to 40 people, we'd have 4 to 40 people with different 496 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600 experiences and different results, and it would be all 497 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,760 over the all over the map. So you have to assess it to each 498 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,560 individual's individual tolerance based on that human 499 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,960 being, what their goals are, their gender, their age, their 500 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,480 their time of training, all of these things come into play. 501 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,440 So you know, I've just started marching to my own drum and I 502 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,000 was expecting a little bit of pushback from that. 503 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Like most recently I I did a video on on my YouTube channel. 504 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,160 It was just last week and it's it's a video that I'd wanted to 505 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,400 do basically for the last year and I called it my Ultimate 506 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,720 Carnivore RX or my Ultimate Carnivore prescription for 507 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,320 strength, performance and longevity. 508 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,360 And that was sort of my you know, culmination of what I have 509 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,160 learned in the trenches working with people over the last couple 510 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,640 of years, including myself when I went very hyper carnivore in 511 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240 my contest prep for 2019 and 2021. 512 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,480 And it's fair to say that, you know, from my from training from 513 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,000 2019 through 2021 was my greatest, you know, results as a 514 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,400 physique competitor. You know, I had several class 515 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,240 wins in the NPC using that particular style of eating and 516 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,360 training. So there's something to be said 517 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,080 for that. And then when I've also coached 518 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,600 so many people to top three placings using that same 519 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,760 prescription, but then just adjusting it based on each 520 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,040 individual's needs and output, you know, that's when it all 521 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,280 really came together for me. And you know, that video I 522 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,880 thought would give me a lot of pushback in the space and I was 523 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,360 super excited and and very blessed when I got the greatest 524 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:13,360 amount of emails and DMS and contact from that one video that 525 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,640 I just put out. Then I have for any other video 526 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,000 that I put out in years of people saying, you know, I I 527 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,760 felt like you were talking to me. 528 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,600 I had these same experiences. I made a lot of these changes. 529 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,240 I'm making a lot of these changes and I'm already seeing 530 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,520 benefit. I'm already seeing the 531 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,840 difference. So it really reinforced to me, 532 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,960 hey, you're not trying to please your peers, You're not trying to 533 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,480 please, you know, the algorithms, You're trying to 534 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,640 please real people who are put their faith in you. 535 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,600 And that's all you need to focus on. 536 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,520 And at the end of the day, you'll sleep pretty damn good at 537 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600 night if you do that. Amen to that, brother. 538 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680 I think doing it for the right reasons is key. 539 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,400 I mean, who cares what the subscriber count is? 540 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,040 The follower count is like if you get that one e-mail that 541 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,960 says, hey, what you said in this video or this podcast totally 542 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,640 changed how I thought about food, my approach to training, 543 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,280 nutrition and healthy lifestyle design, and now I'm living a 544 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960 more fruitful, fulfilled life like that right there. 545 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Makes it worth it. And that does not depend upon 546 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,760 follower counts or algorithms or any of this stuff. 547 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,040 I mean, truly connecting with people as people is the the 548 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,240 correct goal of any true coach. Right, 100%. 549 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,680 And and that's why I knew that we needed to get caught back up 550 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,920 again because I, I, I know we both kind of felt that way and I 551 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,600 was really feeling some frustration in the community. 552 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,160 And you know, I guess, you know you've made it in this world 553 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,680 especially in in the carnivore you know space that I'm hip deep 554 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,880 into now when others start making reaction videos about 555 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,280 you. So there's been a couple of guys 556 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,840 out there that have made videos about me basically pining on for 557 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,840 an hour and a half about how I'm doing everything wrong. 558 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,720 And, you know, some of these videos are like watching paint 559 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840 dry. But you know, I, I, I figure, 560 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,200 you know, if you're going to spend an hour and a half telling 561 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,200 the world what I'm doing wrong rather than spending your time 562 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960 and energy to get out there and help somebody who is truly 563 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,760 broken, then, you know, shame on you. 564 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,000 But whatever. I'm checking out, man. 565 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,520 I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and I'm going to, you 566 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:30,560 know, focus on having as much gratitude as I possibly can for 567 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,320 the the honor and privilege that I have to work with these 568 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,600 people. And I'm going to shut off all of 569 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,840 the the noise that's out there. You know, I'm going back to what 570 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,040 you said about, you know, not scrolling through the comments, 571 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,840 staying dedicated to the task and waking up every day saying 572 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,480 how can I, you know, use this information to help people out 573 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,640 there and and stop the silly bickering and infighting that's 574 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,680 all too common in this industry right now. 575 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,800 Yeah, 100%. I got no time or use for haters. 576 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,800 Like if you're not doing something productive with your 577 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,560 time to add more value than you take, then I got no time for 578 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,800 you. I mean, there's been a lot of 579 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,960 people that have hated on me too, because I take such a 580 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,360 strict approach to my diet personally. 581 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,400 But I've I've done it multiple ways. 582 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Like I've incorporated lots of carbohydrates in the past before 583 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,400 I was keto and here lately I've just been strict keto. 584 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640 But I mean I've looked better than I've ever looked. 585 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,240 I've felt better than I've ever felt and I've reaped the rewards 586 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520 of that like I've I went pro this year in a different 587 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,000 federation and my physique speaks for itself. 588 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,960 I don't need to try and explain away myself to someone. 589 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,840 That's just they're trying to hate on social, especially when 590 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,760 they're probably not doing anything productive with their 591 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,480 own life, their own time or their own community. 592 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,280 You know, it's just not a worthwhile use of our resources, 593 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,960 our time, our opportunities. So yeah, I think you know, 594 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,760 people that have the time to hate on others and throw shade. 595 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,360 I got enough time for them. 100%, man, we we are in total 596 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,880 agreement there. And it's it's refreshing because 597 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,200 man it it can get a little negative out there. 598 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,840 But you know again the Internet is like a gun. 599 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,000 You can either use it to wage war and do something nefarious 600 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,040 or you can use it to protect yourself and your family. 601 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,760 It's just on how you, how you look at it, how you handle it so 602 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,720 that that's the way I see it. Totally independent of the 603 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,280 macronutrient distribution. One thing I've noticed and 604 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,480 haven't noticed for years and I've really tried to speak out 605 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,480 on and I'm sure you've seen this as well is just people having a 606 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,040 lot of these issues hormonally simply as a result of not eating 607 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,800 enough food. I mean like if you are and I 608 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,880 noticed this really kind of and this has been going on forever. 609 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,720 But when the hyper, you know, the high protein trend came back 610 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,520 and fat was becoming demonized, it's like people forgot that 611 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,240 there are a lot of calories in fat to the extent where they 612 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280 would just eat really lean source of protein and we're 613 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,840 consuming sub 1000 calories a day and then started having 614 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,120 hormonal issues. So have you noticed a lot of 615 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,240 people eating just far, far, far too little and then that being 616 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,720 the primary driver for their issues? 617 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,960 Absolutely. I mean, who better to speak on 618 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,400 this topic than you and I who have been deep and deep into a 619 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,360 contest prep. And you know, when you and I do 620 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840 a show, it's all in. You know, it's all in. 621 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,880 I mean, anybody out there, if you've ever achieved 4% body 622 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,120 fat, there is a considerable amount of long term suffering 623 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,840 that goes into that. And you know, Yeah, absolutely. 624 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,000 I mean I always talk about, you know, people are overtraining 625 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,720 and they're under eating and that seems to be the default 626 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,520 mechanism that most people fall into. 627 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,440 And one of the first things that I do when I get a lot of people 628 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960 is I immediately give them a diet break and I start to 629 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,640 nourish them again. They're they're consuming way 630 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,600 too little fat, they're not nourishing themselves and that 631 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,600 that reduction of fat is going to lend to poor hormonal output 632 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,200 and metabolic distress. And so we retool everything and 633 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160 and that's the term that I use out of the gate is we need to re 634 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,160 nourish you and most people. We also have to pull back on the 635 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239 training volume. You know, I'm, I'm very well 636 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,639 known for being the guy that says I believe you should 637 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,080 incorporate the greatest amount of intensity in the shortest 638 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,639 amount of time possible when you're training in the gym. 639 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120 And I've been operating under that ideology for 30 years. 640 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080 I'm a high intensity training advocate and I always will be. 641 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,840 I've seen no better approach for myself and many of the people 642 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,960 that I train. So in this world that we live 643 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,600 in, in this culture we live in today, pretty much anything you 644 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,480 get that comes down from this so-called experts, you can 645 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080 pretty much do the opposite that I found. 646 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,960 So yeah, when people come to me, more often than not the first 647 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,840 course of action is to feed these people and dial back the 648 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,639 training and then we have to focus on things that often get 649 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000 gets left out. You know, I often say recovery 650 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,680 is a weapon and in in terms of your training, your diet, you 651 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,520 know recovery needs to be just as important as the as the 652 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,280 former too. And then people also don't don't 653 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,920 take into consideration things like, you know, adequate sun, 654 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,040 exposure time outdoors, you know, avoiding blue light 655 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,120 stimulation, environmental toxin, sleep, sleep, sleep, 656 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,120 sleep. People who are avoiding sleep 657 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,720 could be incorporating one of the most severe metabolic 658 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,640 disturbances in their body that they can imagine. 659 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,560 I have people that eat perfectly trained just the way I tell them 660 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,200 to, and they're trying to operate on four or five hours of 661 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200 sleep a night, like it's some kind of a badge of honor. 662 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,720 And then once we correct that, then things always get better. 663 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,160 There's usually that one loose end and you know what I'm 664 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,280 talking about that, that once we correct that, then everything 665 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,360 starts to shine through. So 100% man, I, I, I agree with 666 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840 you completely. I think we live in a culture of 667 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,120 excess, but it's directed in the wrong direction and nourishing 668 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,960 the body is step one and making sure that your level of output 669 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,240 doesn't completely outweigh the level of energy effective energy 670 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,240 intake to nourish the body and and to produce the desired 671 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,560 effect of optimal health and optimized health. 672 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,560 And when you're eating real food, it's interesting, man, 673 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,240 because I I totally get the whole law of thermodynamics and 674 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,920 calorie intake. And I mean, that's all very 675 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,680 important. And so many people have tried to 676 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,560 just throw that to the wayside in the space, which is not a 677 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,440 wise move whatsoever, but that's a whole other podcast in and of 678 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,680 itself. However, I have noticed that 679 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,600 when you're eating real food, your body's tolerance for a much 680 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,120 higher caloric intake. It just seems to happen by 681 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,440 default. Like when I was absolutely, you 682 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,360 know, processed foods and and just cheap ingredient foods, 683 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,560 filler foods, 6000 calories would totally wreck me. 684 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,240 I would just put on copious amounts of body fat, whereas I 685 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,400 could tolerate a similar caloric intake. 686 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,320 Now eating the types of foods that I eat and 6000 is a little 687 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,200 obsessive for my stature, but I could eat a lot now and my body 688 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,120 just responds very favorably to it because it's all food that my 689 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,600 body is familiar with. It's all real ingredients. 690 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,680 And I feel like when people step away from that fake food and 691 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,320 then just simply eat more of the real stuff, they can experience 692 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,360 what True health actually has to offer. 693 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:13,680 Well, you're you're 100% right. I mean, like I said earlier, if 694 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,280 somebody's not willing to take the the complete dive off the 695 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,640 Cliff and and do everything, you know, perfectly pinpointed down 696 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,240 to the macros and the exact list of foods, then it's oftentimes 697 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,520 saying, hey, let's start with getting adequate protein, let's 698 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,520 get real food in your body and let's avoid any processed food, 699 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,960 seed, oils and excess amounts of refined sugar. 700 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,240 If we just pull that one lever, you know, amazing things happen 701 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,120 because quality of nutrients matters big time as you just 702 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,480 stated and you we can touch on the calorie thing real fast. 703 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,000 That's an annoyance for me too. And Speaking of those reaction 704 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,200 videos that people do, someone did one on me because I still 705 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,240 use calorie calculations with my clients, but they didn't stick 706 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,480 around long enough for me to explain myself, which is often 707 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,320 what happens, we get taken out of context with what we do 708 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,440 because it doesn't produce, you know, a quick headline or 144 709 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,520 character tweet. So you know, I will agree 710 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,080 immediately that to calculate output in a human being is 711 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,480 extremely hard to do. So when you get on a treadmill 712 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,480 and it says you're going to do produce this many calories or 713 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,640 expend this many calories in this amount of time, it's just 714 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,280 it's throwing darts at a board, a very big board. 715 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,960 Yeah, I don't even and. I don't use any of my estimated 716 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,840 caloric expenditure trackers for anything. 717 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,840 I never even look at them. Absolutely not. 718 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,040 So when I get a client, we will use the calorie measurement as a 719 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,680 tracking tool because I know as much or more than anybody that 720 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,400 you know. Protein may not quite be 4 721 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,480 calories per gram because of the way the thermic effect of that 722 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,640 food and the way it reacts to the body and how it's utilized 723 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960 and how it doesn't want to be used as an energy source and how 724 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,600 it's used to repair cells and tissue. 725 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,680 And depending on the type of fat you consume, it may not be 9 726 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,800 calories per gram. It that differs and the way the 727 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,240 effects of food on your body through processed foods and seed 728 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,360 oils and sugars and simple sugars, it all reacts 729 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,440 differently to the body. So what we can do is I can make 730 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,240 a gross calculation and divide up macros based on that person's 731 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,360 input that they give me. But here's the thing, just to 732 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,240 say count these calories every day is not going to be accurate. 733 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:37,320 So what we do is we develop a baseline and then we hit that 734 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,840 baseline for four to six weeks and then we track the results. 735 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,880 So once we go through that period of time, then it's you 736 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,960 know, a system of, you know, covering what has happened. 737 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,320 So I'll say to them, OK, how has your body composition changed, 738 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,000 changed over this, this 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. 739 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,720 How has your sleep been affected? 740 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,240 How does your training been affected? 741 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,840 So I it's an adjusted caloric ceiling, it's an adjusted. 742 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,640 Level of calories of protein, fat, and a small amount of 743 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,440 carbohydrates. For me, it's typically around 744 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,200 training. So yeah, the carnivore space is 745 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,800 quick to judge people who use, you know, calories as a tracking 746 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,640 tool. But what they don't understand 747 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,600 is people who are doing it correctly, coaches who actually 748 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,840 know what the hell they're doing, are going to adjust that 749 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,360 metric based on the results of the client and make that 750 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,800 adjustment. So, you know, 100 calories isn't 751 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,320 exactly 100 calories necessarily. 752 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,560 It's the type of food you you take in, the level of output of 753 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,640 the client and how their body reacts to it. 754 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040 So once we set that loose baseline, knowing that it's not 755 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,040 an accurate measurement, we're we're trying to get in the 756 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,640 ballpark. But then when we work with that 757 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,040 person in real time for a period of time, then we can make the 758 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,960 necessary adjustments to those calculations to make sure that 759 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,080 everything is continuing to move in the direction that we want it 760 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,440 to move toward. But somehow that that gets lost 761 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,800 in translation. And so people think, oh, I've 762 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,600 got content now. I I can bash on this coach for 763 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,480 what he's doing or what he advocates to try to get clicks 764 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,240 and follows and likes rather than, you know, letting this guy 765 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,000 do his good work. And let me focus on, you know, 766 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,800 myself and try to, you know, extend my knowledge and be 767 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,520 someone who is there for my clients or people that may put 768 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000 their faith in them. So you know. 769 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,720 Exactly right. I mean to to say, oh, well, if 770 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,960 you use calories as as a measurement tool, you're doing 771 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,160 it wrong. Well, that's horseshit. 772 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,640 I'm sorry. If you do it properly and make 773 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,520 the necessary adjustments to those calculations based on the 774 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,360 real time input that you're getting from that client, you 775 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,440 know that. That's to say so. 776 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,880 So every champion bodybuilder you know for the last 60 years 777 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,520 who have used calories and macros calculations have been 778 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,240 doing it wrong even though they pursue produced amazing world 779 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,760 class physiques for since you know, longer than I've been 780 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,760 alive. I mean, come on, It's just silly 781 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,840 to say that, you know? So there there are definitely 782 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,280 two ways to skin a cat, whatever. 783 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,160 Whatever that means. Yeah, and I mean I totally get 784 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,920 people wanting to eat intuitively. 785 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160 And if you're going to go that route of eating intuitively, 786 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,760 following an animal based diet and removing the noise from the 787 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040 equation is certainly the best way to do it. 788 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000 But if you're trying to compete at a, you know, high level, 789 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,520 especially in the realm of bodybuilding, or if you're not 790 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,400 seeing results with what you're doing by eating intuitively, 791 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,800 removing as many variables as possible in the context of a 792 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,800 caloric deficit, optimizing the nutrient density of the foods 793 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,480 you are eating, and then hopefully eating you know 794 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,160 similar foods on a relatively consistent basis, Any of those 795 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,000 inaccuracies are likely going to average out over enough time 796 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,400 anyway. So tracking them consistently 797 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,920 and then making those necessary manipulations, even if it's not 798 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,120 100% accurate via what a bomb calorimeter would suggest the 799 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,000 caloric intake is, you can adjust the manipulations you 800 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480 have control over by the response your body has given 801 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,720 you. And I mean that that just makes 802 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,920 common sense. It's common sense. 803 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,800 It it well put and I agree with you 100% and you know, the the 804 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,560 fact remains we're not living under that survival hierarchy 805 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,800 that I mentioned earlier. You know, life is a lot more 806 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,440 difficult for us living in the greatest temptation culture of 807 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,360 all time. I mean, I often say you can't go 808 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,680 to Home Depot and buy a fucking screwdriver without being 809 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,240 tempted by candy and chips and soda and garbage at the 810 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,240 checkout. I mean, it is everywhere. 811 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,800 We're inundated with it everywhere. 812 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,920 And there are so many people out there doing everything in their 813 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,280 power to bring you down when you're trying to make a super 814 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,920 positive change for good. Because psychologically, if you 815 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,560 are trying to pull someone down for them making a positive 816 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,880 change, what that means is, is you're just trying to justify 817 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,120 your laziness by bringing them down to your level. 818 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,800 Because you, you know you aren't willing to make those changes. 819 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,000 And so you know, I I use the term all the time, you got to be 820 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,680 the freak in the room wherever you go. 821 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,160 I just did a video on this. And all that means is, is when 822 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,440 you are in any environment, you need to be the person that is, 823 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,320 you know, above the culture of influence of our time. 824 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,880 And you're the one that trains hard. 825 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,560 You're the one that makes those dietary sacrifices and eats the 826 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,320 necessary things in the right proportions to make themselves 827 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,720 the best genetic version of themselves that they can be. 828 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,840 You know, you will, you know, say I can't go to this party or 829 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,800 I can't do this because I need adequate sleep. 830 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,520 I need my adequate recovery, you know, and I know you do this 831 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,640 just the other day, you know, I I worked much later than I 832 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,360 thought I would. I thought I'd get home at 2 PMI. 833 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,880 Didn't get home until 6:30 PM. It was dark. 834 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,480 It's cold here in North Carolina. 835 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,440 It was pouring down rain. Great. 836 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,240 Disgusting. But I knew I had a a Hard Rock 837 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,480 workout scheduled for that day. So rather than sit down by the 838 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,640 warm fireplace that my wife had made and and have dinner with my 839 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,200 family, I strapped on my shit and I went out there and I got 840 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,040 it done. And people that do that truly in 841 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920 most cases, are the freak in the room everywhere they go. 842 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,880 And if you can resolve to be that freak in any one of those 843 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,720 social settings or any of those environments, then you're always 844 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,120 going to come out better. And sooner or later, those 845 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,440 people who were trying to bring you down to their level to 846 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,320 justify their laziness, they're going to start quietly coming up 847 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,240 to you and asking, So what? What are you doing? 848 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:34,560 Because you're looking pretty damn good and I can see changes 849 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,000 in you. You know, it's it's so, yeah, 850 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,280 exactly. That's just, you know, that's 851 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,000 just the way I see it echoing exactly what you said. 852 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,120 And it it all goes back to the whole, you know, point that 853 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,440 we've been trying to say. Mind your business, take care of 854 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,480 yours, Be the best human that you can be, Live with gratitude, 855 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,560 be there for your clients and your care for others is your 856 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,880 measure of greatness. That's the bottom line. 857 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,440 Yeah, Amen, brother. On all those counts I mean I 858 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,120 could not agree more be the outlier and and do do the work 859 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,640 that every like the the masses are not willing to do. 860 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,240 Like you're you said it earlier and it's absolutely right. 861 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,440 Like I look what the masses are doing. 862 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,600 I tend to have the best results when I do the exact opposite and 863 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,560 that's what I've been doing the vast majority of my life and 864 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,920 it's served me pretty well thus far. 865 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,000 So 100. Percent, you know, it's like 866 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,800 it's like drugs. I mean, you know, I I haven't 867 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,000 filled a prescription in I think 17 years and I'm 55 years old 868 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,840 and that was for a pain pill I didn't take, you know, for for 869 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,920 me. Walgreens is where you buy 870 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,680 emergency toilet paper. You know, I I know there are 871 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,960 people in the back behind glass wearing white coats. 872 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,240 I'm not really sure what they do. 873 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:50,400 I don't go back that far. So, you know, with, with, with 874 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,520 the Pharmaceutical industry, government run agencies, big 875 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,000 food, big agriculture, pretty much anything that comes down 876 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,880 the information, you know, a superhighway that I'm told to 877 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,760 do, just do the opposite and you're probably going to be 878 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,480 fine. Oh, we're eating too much meat. 879 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,360 Oh, cow farts are destroying the environment. 880 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,320 Oh, we need to take more drugs. Oh, you need to get this jab. 881 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,880 Oh, you need to do this. No, just do the opposite. 882 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,960 And more than likely, you're going to be far above and beyond 883 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,400 most of your peers. 100%, ma'am, 100%. 884 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,400 I want to touch on the training a little bit because you you've 885 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,320 brought up the high intensity, lower volume and I think 886 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,120 training is something that people often times get wrong, as 887 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,320 you alluded to. Can you kind of paint a picture 888 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,440 as to what a typical training structure for you looks like? 889 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,360 I'm curious. Yeah, now I I still do a what I 890 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000 call a pro split, not a bro split. 891 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,000 I hate that term. You know, bodybuilders have 892 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,440 been, you know, demonized recently because you know, we 893 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,600 may do one or two body parts on one day and then another body 894 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,360 part the next day. Well, you know what, don't fix 895 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,240 it if it's not broken. If you're trying to make an 896 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,960 aesthetic change of of muscular hypertrophy, in my opinion 897 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,600 that's still the way to go. So I do a four day high 898 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,200 intensity hypertrophy split and I'm a big believer in high 899 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,840 intensity training, meaning I think most people are grossly 900 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,480 over trained and they're not giving enough time for the 901 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,840 recovery mechanism. So what that means to me is 902 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,440 instead of doing 456 sets on a particular exercise and then 903 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,840 maybe coming back three days later and working that same 904 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,680 muscle group again. It makes logical, rational sense 905 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,280 to me to spend less time in the gym, work to a greater level of 906 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,960 intensity to set the growth mechanism into motion and then 907 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,640 leave it alone and let it grow. Like I I try to give an example 908 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,320 all the time when I do these podcasts or I talk to clients 909 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,080 and I'll say let let me create a scenario for you real quick as 910 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,160 an example. Like for instance yesterday we 911 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,320 trained back and you know in that workout we did reverse grip 912 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,080 cable pull downs. Everybody knows that that's been 913 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,720 training. You know, I'm sure you you've 914 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:14,760 used that exercise. So as an example I will do, we 915 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,240 did that as the first exercise of of the session. 916 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,880 So what I did is I often say feeder to failure. 917 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,560 That's a term I use a lot with my clients and they know what I 918 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,520 mean. Meaning I will do one, maybe two 919 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,680 what I call feeder sets at roughly 60 to 70% of rate of 920 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,680 intensity or rate of perceived exertion. 921 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,160 So, and I'm usually working in a hypertrophy Rep range of 922 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,800 anywhere from 8 to 12 repetitions on most exercises. 923 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:47,280 So I will choose a weight that is roughly, and I know this from 924 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,280 experience because I've been training week to week. 925 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,080 I'll choose a weight that's roughly 60% of my failure or 926 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,800 greatest, you know, level of intensity. 927 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,760 And I'll do a set just to warm up the muscles, get some blood 928 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,840 flowing and get mentally prepared to go to war because 929 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,880 that's what it is. And then I might do a second set 930 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,440 and maybe 70% of of my maximum perceived effort. 931 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,880 And then I'm going to walk around the gym, get my head 932 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,040 right, adjust that, pin up a couple more plates, you know, 933 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,800 smear on my Braveheart War paint, get underneath that bar. 934 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,040 And I'm going to give it everything I have. 935 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,440 So let's say it I get to Rep number 7 and I'm dying, but I'm 936 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,680 still maintaining good form. It's everything that I got. 937 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,120 I'm shaking. I got the cartoon sweat flying 938 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,560 off my forehead. I'm it's it's brutal. 939 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,600 And I finally, after maybe 8 to 10 seconds, get that Rep down to 940 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,800 the top of my chest. And I slowly do that negative. 941 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,480 Now my workout partners know, OK, it's it's time for that Rep 942 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,400 Now here comes that failure Rep So I'll give it everything I 943 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,080 have, everything that's in me to get that final Rep down. 100% 944 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,360 total concentric muscular failure. 945 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,600 Nothing left in the tank. I bring that bar back up, the 946 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,040 set is over. And then the question that I 947 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,040 asked everyone is if I have just done that, why would I do 948 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,680 another set? And nobody's been able to answer 949 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,040 that question since because by taking that set to that level of 950 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,400 intensity and that set, that level of failure, I have put the 951 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,880 growth mechanism into motion. Leave no doubt that at that 952 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,160 point I have sent a signal via neurotransmitter from the brain 953 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,920 that says for whatever reason, that amount of resistance and 954 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,920 that, that he was trying to incorporate, we could barely 955 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,960 handle that. In fact, we couldn't handle it 956 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,440 at the end. So as a defense mechanism, in 957 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,440 the event he's ever going to do that again, which I will next 958 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,160 week, we'd better produce overcompensation. 959 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,080 Now what that means is, is when you do, you know that all out 960 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,240 set to failure, you've created a deficit, you've you've torn down 961 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,080 the muscle. You know, we know this is basic 962 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,880 Physiology. And then the amount of time that 963 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,800 it takes for that muscle to repair itself and grow back to 964 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,240 the baseline that you were before you did that set, well, 965 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:14,200 that's just compensation. That's just getting you back to 966 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,760 baseline by giving it an additional amount of recovery 967 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,880 that is over compensation. That's actually building new 968 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,320 muscle. So that's the level that you 969 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,000 need to take it to in order to maximize muscular hypertrophy. 970 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,720 Now I think it also is fair to be said that if you're a drug 971 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:34,640 free athlete I think it's even more important to operate in a 972 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,840 high intensity training program because you don't have the 973 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,520 luxury of heightened recovery because of the use of PEDs and a 974 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,800 lot of people. This gets lost when when we get 975 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,400 into the gym and we're following our favorite IFBB, Mr. Olympia 976 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,280 caliber pro bodybuilder and he's doing these marathon hour, hour 977 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,640 and a half workouts. What's what gets lost in that is 978 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,720 the fact that he is sauced to the damn gills and his level of 979 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:05,360 recovery is 3-4 times that of what you know average Joe's is 980 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,840 in the gym. So, and I can also lastly make 981 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,640 the argument by not going to such massive volume, it's 982 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,000 actually safer because you cannot generate that level of 983 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,040 intensity for an hour, hour and a half because then things are 984 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,480 going to start to have diminishing returns in terms of 985 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,000 form and technique. Things might get sloppy, but I 986 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,280 know if I keep impeccable form and I go to a movement, I give 987 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,840 it everything I have. And once I've accomplished that, 988 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,680 that set is over and I'm moving on to the next exercise. 989 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:40,320 And then that's probably the reason why in almost 30 years of 990 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,680 hard training, I've never had a serious injury, Not one. 991 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,680 And that's always the way I've trained. 992 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,480 And if I'm being honest I I sort of backed off on that a little 993 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,640 bit when I was competing from 2014 through 2018 and I'd I'd 994 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,400 play second I'd I'd placed third and never quite got there. 995 00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:02,760 And when I really said to myself you know what I I'm going to go 996 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,520 old school and I'm going to go back to the Super high intensity 997 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,080 training protocol that I grew up on that I believe in and my 998 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,640 heart of hearts is the greatest to produce the best physique 999 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,440 possible. And especially at my age. 1000 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,440 I mean I was, you know, I I I I competed in my late 40s and 1001 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,240 early 50s and when I made that change over to my heart, hyper 1002 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:26,360 carnivore, bodybuilding protocol, nutrition and I 1003 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,400 switched to 100% off full on you know high intensity training 1004 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,240 protocol again, that's when things made a significant shift 1005 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:38,120 for the better for me and I finally started winning my class 1006 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,760 and made it you know all the way to nationals. 1007 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,120 So not bad for an old guy that only intended to do 1 show back 1008 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,560 in 2014. So I trained many of my clients 1009 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,120 that way and I see the most significant results in muscular 1010 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,840 growth and hypertrophy with that style of training. 1011 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,160 So super great emphasis on the recovery mechanism. 1012 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,560 So it's train it super hard, set that growth mechanism into 1013 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,600 motion and then let it grow. Because if you do too much or 1014 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,800 too many sets, all you're doing at that point is creating a 1015 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,120 deeper inroad into recovery. You're just extending the amount 1016 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,360 of time that it's going to take to get that muscle to not only 1017 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,920 compensate but overcompensate and get the adequate level of 1018 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,520 growth that you intended to occur in the 1st place. 1019 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,840 So that's just the way I operate and and I'm pretty much going to 1020 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,240 die on that hill. So I I see no reason in changing 1021 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:31,600 that. Well it's clearly working for 1022 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,080 you man. You got a super impressive 1023 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,040 physique so you're you're not really ever doing drop sets. 1024 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,000 When you reach that set to failure at the heaviest way, 1025 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,440 you're doing like 2 feeder sets that. 1026 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,240 Sometimes I do not. That's that's just another 1027 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:49,880 another level of intensity. So you know, every once in a 1028 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,600 while I will say OK, for this set I'm going to do a cluster 1029 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,280 set which just is creating a different style of intensity. 1030 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,800 So I may say OK on on my failure set, I'm going to select a 1031 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,760 weight that I think I can do 8 to 10 times and and then I'll do 1032 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000 that. And then I might take 10 breaths 1033 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,920 and rest and then get a couple more reps and then I may take 10 1034 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,560 breaths and rest and maybe get that one more Rep So it's just 1035 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,760 changing up the modality of intensity to push towards that 1036 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,000 failure and coax more out of the set. 1037 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,440 So absolutely to your point which is is well put any way I 1038 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,200 can push to failure or beyond is what I'm going to try to do. 1039 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,120 Now I don't do those cluster sets or rest pause sets or drop 1040 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,320 sets or force negatives or or all the time because it can be a 1041 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,520 little bit too much on the central nervous system to train 1042 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,240 at that level all the time. But we most definitely sprinkle 1043 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,480 those in from time to time 100%. So, yes, yes. 1044 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,440 OK, gotcha. And you're you're typically 1045 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,360 training, you said four days a week and you'll you'll not train 1046 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,280 back again until the next week after doing that? 1047 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,160 That's correct. Exercises you're probably not 1048 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,520 going to do, like another Latin movement after that pull down. 1049 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,760 You probably just switch like a row or deadlift or something of 1050 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,800 that nature. Exactly. 1051 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,720 Yeah. We're going to, we're kind of, 1052 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,480 you know, work the angles of the muscle. 1053 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,800 So I'm going to choose a movement that's going to you 1054 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,760 know work the lats and then I might choose a movement that's 1055 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,240 going to work the rhomboids and then I may do something that's 1056 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,880 going to be more you know total strength and working also the 1057 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,840 trapezius like a deadlift, you know, so we're kind of kind of 1058 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,240 work the angles in terms of muscle stimulation and then once 1059 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,560 we feel like we've hit a movement that is stimulating 1060 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,840 growth from that particular region then we're just going to 1061 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,560 move on. But these days you know now that 1062 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,840 I'm not competing anymore the the bizarre thing is is that I'm 1063 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,600 kind of I'm training differently but just as hard. 1064 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,880 So now I'm doing that hard four day split in the gym and I try 1065 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,880 not to have those workouts exceed 30 to 40 minutes and 1066 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,120 that's with two training partners. 1067 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,600 So it's it's very high intensity, very low volume. 1068 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,760 But then later in the day, now that my goal is, you know, to be 1069 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,840 the the best badass that I can be at any age, I might go out on 1070 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,840 a heavy rock with 65 lbs On my back and I might do some 1071 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,480 metabolic work. I might do some heavy bag work. 1072 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:14,000 I might at the end of my rock, I might do a Max set of push ups 1073 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,040 or some sledgehammer swings on a tire. 1074 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,680 You know, that kind of stuff. Because now I'm trying to be a 1075 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,280 complete athlete. Now, it's not just about 1076 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,160 aesthetics because you and I, you know, when when we're in 1077 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,000 prep, it's all about doing whatever we have to do to retain 1078 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,720 as much muscle as possible and then obviously try to produce 1079 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,760 more if we can, to reach a certain aesthetic. 1080 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,480 Now, my goal is not aesthetic, it's performance and longevity. 1081 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,400 And even if you push for performance and longevity, the 1082 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,960 side effect of that is going to be you're still going to look 1083 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,520 pretty damn good as well. I no longer have a goal or a 1084 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,400 desire to be 5% body fat because that's not sustainable and we 1085 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,800 know it's not healthy long term. So now if I can stay somewhere 1086 00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:01,320 between 10 and 14% year round and be able to take on anything 1087 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,840 that crosses my path, then that's what I'm working toward 1088 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,600 now. So it's not just about aesthetic 1089 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,880 goals anymore. It's about being a high 1090 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,640 performing badass at any age, being that freak in the room 1091 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,200 that I mentioned before because we want to be the best example 1092 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,800 we can be to our families and our clients and all those who 1093 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,040 put our faith in US. And I would be doing a 1094 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,240 disservice if I took my foot off the gas. 1095 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,720 So, you know, like I said, I'm, I'm not a young man anymore. 1096 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,440 So I want to be that freak weirdo that when he's 65 is 1097 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,600 still doing crazy shit in the gym, crazy shit out on the 1098 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,960 trails. And I'm going to be that crazy 1099 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,080 guy that takes his grandson to the park and is going face first 1100 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,280 down the slide and swinging on the monkey bars like some 1101 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,440 lunatic. While all the other parents sit 1102 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,840 on the park bench because they're too fat, too broken and 1103 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,960 too lazy to get out there and play with their kids. 1104 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,040 Yeah, that is key man. Like there's a yin and Yang to 1105 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,800 to bodybuilding in you know right now I'm 4% body fat and 1106 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,560 there's there's benefits to that but that is certainly not 1107 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,560 sustainable or the ideal approach to what people. 1108 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,520 Would God bless you, man? God bless you. 1109 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,360 I don't ever want to be there again. 1110 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,280 Yeah, yeah. I mean there's there's pros and 1111 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,160 cons to everything, but like being able to live life to the 1112 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,880 fullest and enjoy the memories with those around you. 1113 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,840 Especially like I said, you have grandkids. 1114 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,760 I've got a son now and it's like if I'm sacrificing that for too 1115 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:27,960 long to fixate on something else, like maintaining 4% body 1116 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,040 fat which is not healthy for me, or if I am too lazy to function 1117 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,480 and play with my son because I don't want to put in the work or 1118 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,200 do those hard things, then life is just not being lived to the 1119 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,680 fullest. I feel like if you're able to 1120 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,600 move, we've all got relatives like I've got my my grandparents 1121 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,440 right now that are simply not able to function as I would like 1122 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,280 to function at their age because they have not put in the time 1123 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,160 and attention to detail with their nutrition and their 1124 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,520 training, just their activity. So simply being able to go 1125 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,320 through life as a functional human that is self-sufficient is 1126 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,320 paramount and ideally able to add value to those around you 1127 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,200 and you can't add the most value to those around you if you are 1128 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,680 bedridden and can't get out of your chair. 1129 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,000 So yeah, 100% man. Like being being hardcore, being 1130 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,800 badass, being the freak in the room at all ages and all walks 1131 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,520 of life, for all intents and purposes is is the utmost goal. 1132 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,280 So. Can we get for that 100%? 1133 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,000 Yeah, man. My, my grandson is five and he 1134 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,960 was over at our house earlier this week and we were asked by 1135 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,520 my son and daughter-in-law if he could come to our house on 1136 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,880 Saturday night and spend the night because that they have a a 1137 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,440 function, they have to go to some. 1138 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,880 We're like absolutely, you know that this would be great. 1139 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,880 So my 5 year old grandson is sitting there looking up at me 1140 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,080 and and he's like oh, I get to spend the night Saturday. 1141 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,280 I'm like, yeah, I said, well you know what that means? 1142 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,560 He's like what? Papa and I said, you better 1143 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,120 bring 2 swords because we're going to be in the backyard in 1144 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,760 battle, sword fighting and engaging with the enemy. 1145 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,160 And he lit up. He just got so excited he 1146 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,920 couldn't stand himself. So you can damn well bet this 1147 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,480 Saturday night, rain or shine, I don't care if it's snowing. 1148 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,480 Me and that five year old are probably going to be decked out 1149 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,160 like Knights in shining armor out in the backyard swinging 1150 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,880 swords and probably chasing chickens and getting filthy. 1151 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,080 And you know that that is life and and that's what little boys 1152 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,240 need. Little boys need to just have 1153 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,800 the shit kicked out of them. They need to go 100 miles an 1154 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,280 hour and be boys and I intend on just wearing him out. 1155 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,280 And we're going to be heroes slaying Dragons until long after 1156 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,680 dark. Yeah, man. 1157 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,680 When you have confidence in your own body and its abilities, 1158 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,960 you're able to give yourself freedom to have an imagination 1159 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,480 again. And when you have that at any 1160 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,800 age, you're winning, you know? So like, you've been able to do 1161 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,920 that with your grandson, that that's that's freaking awesome. 1162 01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,080 And like, I want that for everybody. 1163 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,360 Oh yeah, I mean, what? And that's what we're doing. 1164 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,080 And we're doing that outside of the opinion and input of others 1165 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,600 because we know what we're doing. 1166 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,560 We've lived this life everything that we do from the time we wake 1167 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,640 up until the time our heads hit the pillow. 1168 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,960 We are pushing the limits. We are testing the waters. 1169 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,040 We're being the best versions of ourselves we can possibly be. 1170 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,760 And we're doing it out of a love for helping others. 1171 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:34,080 And and we we have gratitude and we want that that we put in 1172 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,920 ourselves to be an extension of ourselves to be able to be 1173 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,960 infectious into the lives of others. 1174 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,600 And when you're doing that on a daily basis that there's no 1175 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,480 better feeling there's there's no better 'cause or purpose that 1176 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,440 you can engage in for helping others than doing just that. 1177 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,600 And you know I commend you for doing that and and I love the 1178 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,120 fact that you are that person and and you're out there in the 1179 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,400 trenches doing it. You're not just talk, you're 1180 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,600 you. You walk the walk and you know 1181 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,840 both of us don't want to be no, you know, all show and no go. 1182 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,720 So you know that that's what it's all about, man. 1183 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,880 And I love the fact that we agree on all these points and 1184 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,240 you know, we need to have more of these kind of discussions. 1185 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,280 We totally do. I mean, we, I didn't even get 1186 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,320 into the homesteading aspect. We need to do another follow up 1187 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,880 podcast and talk about your chickens, man. 1188 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,800 We got chickens now. We're going to get some pigs, 1189 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,280 some Lambs. Oh man, we want. 1190 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,600 I want pigs. I want pig. 1191 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,120 I want goats. Yeah, yeah. 1192 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,080 So we'll have to have a whole another follow up podcast all 1193 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,760 about homesteading and being, you know, procuring your own 1194 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,200 food. There's so much to be said for 1195 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,120 that. So I think that's in in the 1196 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,080 pipeline for sure. Yeah, I'm only, I'm only as far 1197 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,040 as the chickens. So yeah, I might need to pick 1198 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,720 your brain a little bit about the an extension of that, 1199 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,400 because anything outside of raising chickens and having dogs 1200 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,720 and cats, it's it's that's all new shit to me. 1201 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,520 Well, it all goes hand in hand with like our philosophy towards 1202 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,000 nutrition. I mean, you want to eat quality 1203 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,480 food, you want to eat food that you know what it ate. 1204 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,360 So being able to, you know, procure yourself, raise it 1205 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,520 yourself, know exactly what its inputs were, I mean that's just, 1206 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,480 it goes hand in hand with optimizing this style and 1207 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,640 nutrition lifestyle. So yeah, it's it's a easy segue 1208 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,320 for sure. 100% my goal, my my end game at some point down the 1209 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,800 road is, you know, like 50 acres in the middle of nowhere in a 1210 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,200 solar cabin, all cows and chickens and goats and pigs and 1211 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,120 yeah, man, and what better environment to have children and 1212 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,720 grandchildren running around in with the world where it is 1213 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,280 today. I mean that that should be the 1214 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,560 end game, man. That that's that's the dream. 1215 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,760 Well, we definitely need to put our hands together on that. 1216 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,880 I mean, I've got family in North Carolina and you got to go up 1217 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,200 there and visit them and you swing by you. 1218 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,920 We got to train together sometime, cook a steak together. 1219 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,280 We got to make all that happen. Absolutely. 1220 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,040 I would absolutely love that, man. 1221 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,440 So let's let's push to do that. Absolutely. 1222 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,320 Where can people find out more about you and what do you got 1223 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,120 exciting in the pipeline, man? What are you working on now? 1224 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,240 What are you stoked about? You know what, since I'm not 1225 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,400 competing anymore, that did give me the ability to be fully 1226 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,760 driven and committed to being a full time coach. 1227 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,400 And that's what I'm doing. And in terms of how I'm getting 1228 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,840 the word out, I've I've, you know, sort of funneled all of my 1229 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,760 efforts to being more engaged and on YouTube. 1230 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,640 So if if anybody wants to honor me with checking out my YouTube 1231 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,600 channel, I'd truly appreciate that. 1232 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,800 And you know, you can find everything that I do at 1233 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,240 robgoodwin.com and it's a pretty easy search on YouTube to find 1234 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,680 me as well. And I, like I said, I'd be 1235 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,560 humbled and honored if somebody wanted to check that out and, 1236 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,240 you know, shoot me an e-mail, shoot me a comment. 1237 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,520 And I'd love to hear from you. Well, I will certainly put all 1238 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,080 those links in the description, make it easy for people to find 1239 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,120 you. When it comes to coaching, man 1240 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,840 like I take it very like you and I are both very competitive 1241 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,240 people. Like we we step on stage in 1242 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,560 posing trunks for the world to see and we're very competitive. 1243 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,680 Like we go to war and we bring the best package that we can. 1244 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,960 Like we are there with camaraderie amongst other 1245 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,720 competitors. But make no mistake we're there 1246 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,080 to tear their heads off and be the best that we can be. 1247 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:10,200 But when it comes to coaching, man, like I am not competitive 1248 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,160 at all. And I'm grateful that there's 1249 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,040 other coaches like you out there. 1250 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,160 Because I think at the end of the day, when you're working 1251 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,400 with such an individualized pool of clientele, as they are all 1252 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,400 individuals, it does no one any good to be incredibly protective 1253 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,760 Like the more ketogenic coaches out there, the more carnivore 1254 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,200 coaches out there that are preaching a similar message. 1255 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,320 That's that's what we want. Because what you put out there, 1256 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,520 what I put out there, as long as it's on that same trajectory, 1257 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,280 how you say it, how I say it, that's going to resonate with 1258 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,800 people differently and they should work with people that 1259 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,400 they resonate most with. So having a non competitive 1260 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,280 approach towards working with people, there's seven plus 1261 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,080 billion people on this planet, you know there is plenty to go 1262 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,960 around. So being free with that 1263 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,800 information, having the sense of camaraderie amongst your 1264 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,640 colleagues, amongst your peers, I'm grateful for it, man. 1265 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,040 So I'm, I truly enjoy conversations like this. 1266 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,960 I love that we can talk about training, nutrition, 1267 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,200 homesteading and dogma in the space and hopefully both you and 1268 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,720 I can just do whatever we have in our power to do to break 1269 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,280 those walls down and bring people together. 1270 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,960 I could not agree more. Man very well said. 1271 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,800 Well, Rob, always a pleasure, man. 1272 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,040 We will make that steak and workout happen in the near 1273 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,640 future. Until then, brother, you keep 1274 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,160 killing it. Stay savage and keep making an 1275 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,439 impact, Man, You're fighting the good fight. 1276 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,240 Thank you, buddy. God bless you. 1277 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:25,000 Take care, man.