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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, 
Robert Sykes keto Savage.com. 

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And today, I've got Seth Barner 
on the line set is a current 

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client of mine and we dive deep 
into the world of Eating 

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Disorders, disordered eating 
food, addiction, other 

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addictions, all that, that 
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And it's interesting because if 
y'all follow along with my 

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story, any length, you know that
I've definitely battled with 

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disordered eating at some points
in my past he is currently going

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through disordered eating and we
just dive into What's going on 

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from a psychological standpoint,
from a physiological standpoint,

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how this is impacting our 
day-to-day life, but 

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relationships how to overcome 
it, how to beat it, how to learn

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from it, how to make it 
sustainable, how to make life 

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better, and just get through it.
And I really, really enjoyed 

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this conversation. 
We Dove deep into the mindset of

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why we do what we do and I feel 
like this is going to be a very 

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informative episode for y'all. 
Whether you're struggling with 

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eating disorders, are not 
Because everybody's got things 

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in their life that they struggle
with and we talked about many 

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things that transcend just 
disordered eating as a 

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standalone. 
So without further Ado, sit back

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relax. 
Enjoy the conversation with Seth

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We are live. 
Seth, how are you brother? 

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I'm doing great Robert. 
How's your morning? 

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Pretty good, man. 
I cannot complain. 

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I'm happy to have you on. 
We just to give people some 

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context you or a client of mine 
and we've we've dug deep into 

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lots of different things. 
So I don't want introduce you 

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the I want you to know yourself 
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a little background as to who 
you are and then I guess we can 

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kind of set the stage as to, 
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here. 
Sir. 

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Yeah, so I know we've worked 
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and I apologize if there's 
background noise. 

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So I'd say, I guess it's been, I
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of it working together, but 
prior to that, I had been 

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through, I don't know, five or 
six different coaches. 

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So basically I've dealt with 
binge eating off and on for 

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product the past 12 years 32 
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And I don't like to classify My 
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the context of our Listen, chip.
That's I know what me to work 

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with you originally. 
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always been something that I 
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nutrition ever since college. 
And while that was at one point,

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a I guess extreme passion of 
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It it became on the on the 
opposite end of the spectrum and

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extreme struggle through binge 
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And I feel like I've been 
through every possible coach 

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every possible technique every 
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I don't know, every possible 
program out there regarding this

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and through it. 
I've been able to learn a lot. 

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I've been able to help some 
other people with it and it's 

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still something that I would 
never say I'm perfectly on the 

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other side of But just in since 
you and I have started working 

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together. 
I've learned a lot about myself 

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especially in how keto has been 
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personally, but just a lot 
around the mindset behind binge 

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eating as well as just really 
how that affects every area of 

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my life. 
That's a little bit of a 

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scrambled summary, but yes, no 
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I was really motivated to get 
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when I first started putting 
out, it's actually it wasn't 

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when I first start putting out 
content but when I had been 

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putting that content for quite 
some time, I made this like my 

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story part 1 and part 2 video 
series that gained a lot of 

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momentum. 
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just the brutal honesty as you 
are because I talked about the 

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eating disorders that I didn't 
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And I feel like once I became 
open about that, that was one of

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the best things that kind of 
helped me gain some momentum and

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break free of my disordered 
eating and Like you, I mean, you

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kind of are still in this ever 
ever changing process of 

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figuring out what's gonna be the
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So I kind of wanted to give you 
this opportunity to just get 

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your story out there because I 
feel like having for whatever 

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reason, just simply talking 
about it, and knowing that other

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people know, even if they never 
interact with, you just simply 

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knowing that other people know 
seems to have this weird, you 

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know, pulse on on just fixing 
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And that's, I mean, whether it 
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give it a rackleff like you can 
offer a ton of value because so 

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many people are going through 
what you have gone through and 

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are currently going through. 
And I feel like you have a great

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story and a great great feel for
how it's impacted your life that

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a lot of people can relate to. 
So I just kind of wanted to give

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you that opportunity to share 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
I first of all, I really 

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appreciate this opportunity to 
do this because I have found in 

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other areas that being able to 
verbalize something, especially 

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even in just our phone calls, 
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something. 
Sometimes you find your own 

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answer through doing that. 
The answer that you thought you 

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didn't have, but you did you 
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And I remember very specifically
when I first, I remember exactly

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where I was when I first started
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was like, I need to hear this 
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I heard you reference it in your
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That was the first thing I did 
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find that my story part 1 and 2.
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that and at that moment thinking
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something like That and I think 
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allows me to share that and not 
procrastinate and doing it. 

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So I guess so as far as the 
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So I guess that started about 
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was in my senior year of college
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training for marathons running, 
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It was my identity and I got 
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unable to son able to run or 
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And so, I went from having all 
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Those runs that Runners tie as 
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to do anything. 
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remember one night, just going 
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and in the middle of night 
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butter out of the jar and just 
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I just kept going and woke up 
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idea why I did that and then 
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night and the next night and the
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It eventually got to a point 
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contradictory to the person I 
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I had no idea why I was doing 
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point where even if I would not 
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would even I would even take my 
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then replace it the next day and
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consumed, my life in ever since 
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I was able to lose most of that.
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P90x and just ran a lot. 
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but the binging never really 
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It would go away and they would 
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it would always kind of 
resurfaced and so it calls me to

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consistently lose. 
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year after year. 
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Where I thought I had figured it
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I thought I had found the 
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kinds of books. 
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development book, I read. 
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the lens of my eating disorder 
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well, this is a great business 
principle but how but I'm only 

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thinking of it as how I can 
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itself. 
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food. 
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It was Is it mentally draining 
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binge eat it. 
Was it just, it took over every 

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thought I had, and it was always
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the wall that stood between 
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actually passionate about. 
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coaching others about building a
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things about pushing myself, 
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I don't don't really runny run 
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lifting and things like that. 
But I think that I've woven into

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so many books regarding binge 
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I read a book called brain over 
binge that I guess is maybe like

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45 years ago and thought it was 
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understood it conceptually. 
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implement it, it seemed like 
there was a disconnect which 

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drove my confidence down even 
more because I think that is the

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most frustrating. 
Of what I would now, label is 

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feeling addicted to food. 
Is that you, you know, so much 

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about nutrition. 
Like I could I've helped other 

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people. 
I have helped people lose plenty

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of weight before coaching people
for free and things like that 

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because I know what to do, but 
there's always that disconnect 

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of knowing and doing and that 
part of you that feels like it 

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just takes over in the moment, 
and I think that's the most 

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frustrating aspect of it and 
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Word to you. 
And I working together recently.

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I think, what has transpired for
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Most clearly is that I know 
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I know what works for me now, 
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basically most processed foods. 
It was always sugar or like, you

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know, ice cream cookies, 
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So, when I'm absent from that, 
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love how I feel. 
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But I think I have gotten in my 
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questioned myself and thought. 
Well maybe there's a better way 

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or maybe this person's. 
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And so like you and I have 
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There's this whole debate out 
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abstinence. 
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people that think they're 
addicted, aren't really addicted

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and they're fooling themselves 
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need to learn how to moderate 
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side. 
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put myself in one Camp has led 
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myself, in any in any of those 
camps and always hopping between

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them which just like any, you 
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taking a stance has taken a 
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And so now I feel I'm at this 
point, we're living a mostly 

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ketogenic Lifestyle on Whole 
Foods is definitely the path. 

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I know that works for me. 
And so kind of planting my flag 

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with that, not out of arrogance,
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this is what works best for me, 
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that different things, work for 
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I'm feeling right now is the is 
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I love him and I feel like, you 
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the past few months, you've I 
mean, you've honestly made me a 

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better Coach because it's 
brought back that perspective, 

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then I probably just bought 
Default lost touch with because 

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I mean, I struggle with eating 
disorders, Superbad, several 

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years ago, but then I've pretty 
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the most part. 
I haven't really had any real 

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apses, and after you go several 
years without really having that

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that, you know, intimate 
connection with a happening on a

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regular basis, you just lose, 
you forget about it, you forget 

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how much of an impact it has on 
your day-to-day life and then in

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talking with you, like whenever 
you fall off or you do something

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that you beat yourself up about,
we jump on a call me sir. 

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Talking and you describe it? 
I'm immediately brought back to 

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what my day-to-day was like in 
like the World War 3. 

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That was constantly. 
Raging in my own head, with 

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regard to my battle with food 
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regained and just in more 
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importance of this with an even,
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accuracy and just importance and
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And I feel like something like 
people that have never Ever 

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dealt with an eating disorder. 
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there that never have. 
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to some form of addiction and 
that form of addiction is vary 

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greatly between different 
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But I feel like with regard to 
food addiction, if you never 

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experienced it, it's hard to 
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through it, but it's a whole 
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you got to have food to live. 
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food, so you have to be Really 
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the timing of the food, the the 
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food. 
Like, there's so many factors at

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play that you have to get 
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me. 
It's been very enlightening and 

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lightning to me to see you go 
through these different chapters

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and figure out what your body 
and mind respond best to. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I know I I totally agree with 
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of once you're out of that 
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it, you kind of forget what it's
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reason or another I think my 
desire to coach other people 

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around this eventually. 
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about it and I thought well I 
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able to relate to all kinds of 
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So I know a ketogenic lifestyle 
works for me. 

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I know, cutting out processed 
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Divide works for me, but maybe I
need to get my head back in that

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space of where I was at my worst
so that I can relate and 

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remember how it actually felt 
which doesn't make any sense 

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saying it out loud. 
But in the moment, when you're 

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in your head about things and 
you start to question, I think 

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that is it feels like you're two
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that's the that's the kicker to 
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Is making it the gold to get 
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it's very easy to draw that. 
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have to eat food. 
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is tough, because of that, and I
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like a 30-day reset years ago, 
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foods like grains and things 
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And I remember the first time I 
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clearly see. 
There's such a difference in the

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way, like real food hits your 
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or sweets, however, whatever you
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divide, made it very easy for me

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to distinguish between those two
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committing to coming to action 
versus trying to commit to like 

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the perfect technique and like 
the perfect thought process. 

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I think there's a because 
there's a lot of approaches out 

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there that are very mind based 
and I understand it and they 

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maybe they work for some people 
like you said, there's different

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people dealt with different 
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But I think for our someone like
myself, who tends to very easily

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over think things, Things. 
The less thinking that's 

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involved the better. 
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huge realization because well 
actually let's back up. 

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I want to just paint the pitch 
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to relate as to what this even 
looks like because they may be 

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hearing this in like what the 
heck is a food addiction in the 

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first place? 
So what is in a disordered 

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eating? 
If they have never dealt with a 

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just don't comprehend, can't 
wrap their head around and they 

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I can't really expect them to 
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You know, laying down a few 
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feel like, just for the for 
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like, what for you personally is
gnawing in your mind when you're

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going through. 
Like, when you're, when you wake

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up in the middle of night and 
you're like in the in the 

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kitchen, you get the frigerator 
door, open the pantry door open,

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you're looking at all the 
options, you got a jar of peanut

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butter in your hand, like what 
are the thoughts going on in 

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your mind right now as to 
whether or not you should open 

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that up and dive in. 
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Question. 
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I would preface this by saying, 
that all of everything that I 

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would stay can be explained in a
scientific explanation of what 

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parts of your brain are lit up 
and, you know, your Primal brain

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versus your conscious brain and 
people can explain this very 

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well, but in the moment, even 
though, you know those things 

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there's such a, it feels like 
there's such a strong compulsion

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to eat. 
And not just eat, but eat large,

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quantities of, usually things 
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So, like ice cream, it feels 
like an overwhelming urge to the

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point, where, like your 
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kind of turned down like you, 
you know, that what you're doing

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is not something that you want 
to do, but at the same time, you

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you feel like you need to do it.
And you can't. 

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And that moment. 
See, a reason not to continue to

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like, you know, you're going to 
feel awful after, you know, that

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you'd be so much happier if you 
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it's such a rushed and like, I 
don't like to use the word 

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numbing, but it's very 
overtaking, very consuming that 

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it feels like it's a need in 
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Even though there's a part of 
you that feels like this is 

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ruining your entire life, it 
ruining your focus and, you 

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know, that if you were to stop 
giving into these urges that 

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you're having that they 
eventually would go away and, 

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you know, all these things. 
But in that moment, it feels so 

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over consuming and that the 
supernormal pleasure of that 

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food. 
It Trump's any reasoning that 

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you're that you have in your 
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able to think clearly. 
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that is that There's a 
difference between eating, you 

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know, three or four pints of ice
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ice cream and the way that hits 
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that's where a lot of people. 
I think maybe don't realize that

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when you're using food as a drug
like that you're using it in 

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much larger quantities. 
Just like, you know, a glass of 

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wine is not going to hit your 
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The same as five or six glasses 
of wine, you know, that are 

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consumed within 30 minutes. 
And so I think once somebody Is 

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at a point where they've used 
food as a drug to try to have it

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in moderation, it's almost just 
like a tease for what you really

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want, which is to what I've 
heard. 

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Someone say, I feel it's pretty 
accurate as to quote unquote, 

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get high on food, and so in the 
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like. 
It feels like it's just an 

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overwhelming all-consuming 
desire, that goes against 

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everything, pretty much every 
value that you stand for as a 

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person. 
But yet at the same time, 

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there's a part of you that 
enjoys it to a point where it, 

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it Supersedes any other rational
desire. 

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I'm trying to like think of a 
good analogy as weird as we're 

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talking here in. 
The only thing that comes to 

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mind is, you know, similar to 
how we need food. 

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We are biologically, you know, 
evolved to, to want to procreate

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have sex and procreate. 
And I feel like this is similar 

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to, you know, having like an 
affair. 

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Because, you know, every 
reasonable part of your brain is

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telling you that this is not a 
wise move. 

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This affair is not a good thing.
I should be faithful, but in the

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moment like if both members are 
around, it's going to be very 

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hard. 
Like that's like a kin to you 

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being right there in the 
refrigerator door with his food 

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in your hand. 
Like what are you gonna do? 

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Like, it's very hard to say. 
No at that point. 

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So like you need to create these
boundaries long before you ever 

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even get to that point. 
Absolutely. 

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Yep. 
That's that's 100%. 

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It's it feels like you're feels 
like you're having an affair 

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with the with the real version 
of yourself and it's like You 

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your you are of two minds and 
these two minds compete for your

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interests. 
I heard, I know we talked about 

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Jordan Pederson a little bit 
lately. 

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I know he's described addiction 
as as an entire personality 

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because that's, that's really 
what it is. 

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It's not in some ways, it's an 
extremely bad habit, but the 

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actual the actual consumption of
the food is the strongest part 

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of the habit. 
But then every hour leading up 

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to that consumption from Second,
I wake up in the morning and 

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just the small idea in my head 
of well, maybe this evening, 

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we'll drive to the store and 
have something but then there's 

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the counter. 
Thought of no, I don't want to 

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do that. 
Even those thoughts, even that 

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debate in your brain becomes 
ingrained as part of the whole 

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addiction, whereas like you 
become addicted to the thoughts 

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that lead to the consumption. 
Even if that thought is, I'm not

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going to have this today. 
Eventually that thought of I'm 

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not going to do this today, 
becomes Paired with doing it 

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because you've broken it so many
times and it eventually, it just

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takes over your entire life. 
Whereas everything you're doing,

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just like I've heard, it 
described in alcohol addiction 

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as well. 
Everything you're doing is 

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centered around, getting that 
food at some point. 

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If you're with other people, 
you're thinking about, what how 

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am I going to Get whatever 
substance, it is, whatever food 

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it is. 
After I leave this group of 

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people, or after I get off work,
or after I do this, everything 

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is. 
It's like, your aim is getting 

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that substance. 
Yeah, that's a really good point

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because I don't feel. 
I feel like people that have no 

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perception of this, don't 
recognize the the length and the

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amount of time spent fixating on
the food or whatever the 

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addiction, maybe. 
Because like when I rewind back 

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to when I was struggling with 
it, I mean, I would spend 

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literally all day thinking about
a specific meal that I was going

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to have at some point far into 
the future. 

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And when you're, when you're in 
that state, you it's impossible.

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I mean, by definition, you are 
not being present and because of

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that, your quality of life in 
the moment is diminished your 

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relationships suffer. 
You just have like this, waxy, 

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glossed over look and nothing is
as pure and pristine as it 

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should be because you are living
for. 

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A moment in the future that you 
inherently know, is not going to

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be fulfilling in any true sense 
of the word, it's going to be a 

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high but not a like a true 
legitimate fulfilled high and 

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you know that you're going to 
beat yourself up for it 

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afterwards yet you do it. 
Anyways and that is this really 

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strange negative feedback loop 
that drives. 

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So much of our Behavior but is 
so hard to fix and correct 

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course on 100%. 
Yeah. 

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That fixation. 
And then the thing is, is that I

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don't like to pretend that it's 
not in any way pleasurable 

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because it is pleasurable, but 
the it's because, you know, 

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these Foods, obviously, they're 
not things that are found in 

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nature and they're in 
concentrations that aren't found

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in nature. 
So they stimulate our brain's 

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reward system at a very high 
level but it's it's the 

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consequences that are the 
problem and when you're in the 

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moment of thinking about the 
pleasure of that food, even if 

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you don't want to think about, 
About it when that thought, 

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enters your head. 
There's that dopamine Rush of 

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just the anticipation of getting
that and that in itself is 

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almost at. 
It's just as strong as the 

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pleasure of actually eating the 
food itself into that dopamine 

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hits. 
As soon as you that thought even

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enters your mind and that it 
feels like there's a point where

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that side of you kind of takes 
over and you get so tired of 

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fighting it that you eventually,
just let it win. 

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And so, I think that's where it 
gets. 

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It's tough to explain to 
somebody who has never 

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experienced it. 
I know people have there's 

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another side of it. 
Where people have, I know been 

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obsessed with eating extremely 
healthy foods and, you know, 

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they have foods that are good or
bad. 

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And that's something that when 
somebody tells them, hey, like, 

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you're allowed to have Snickers 
bar, and it's not going to blow 

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your calories, maybe that person
feels free because now they can 

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have those foods that they 
thought they couldn't have, 

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whereas someone who struggles 
with binge eating at least to 

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the degree that I have. 
That. 

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I know that, you know, I could 
fit into my macros so to speak, 

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but to do that would would be 
like kind of like taking the 

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tiger out of the cage so to 
speak. 

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Yeah, it's a Once you unleash 
the Cracking. 

448
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,500
So to speak, you, you definitely
like all holder. 

449
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:53,300
But I mean, you lose complete 
and utter control. 

450
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:55,700
Like everything is just 
floodgates are open. 

451
00:25:55,700 --> 00:26:01,000
I mean, they're, it's weird 
because the and a lot of people 

452
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,600
are like, you know what, you get
your ketones dialed in. 

453
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,700
You get your hormones regulated 
with the properly, and I'm going

454
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,900
to implement a ketogenic diet 
and then your hunger hormones. 

455
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,300
Tell you when to stop eating and
that just oftentimes, is not the

456
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,200
case if you have disordered 
eating because there's like a 

457
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,100
whole nother You know, shift 
that occurs psychologically and 

458
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,700
they're literally is seemingly 
no release of that. 

459
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,900
You know, leptin, ghrelin, 
everything's just out of whack 

460
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:30,200
and you can eat at nauseam. 
I mean, just Mainline foods that

461
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,700
seems just in human to be able 
to consume amounts in, but 

462
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,600
you're able to do it. 
And it's it's weird because then

463
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,400
you start to almost crave that 
feeling of just over consumption

464
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,800
and fullness. 
And that's obviously not a, you 

465
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,600
know, performance and I mean 
that That inhibits performance 

466
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,600
quite profoundly. 
So you don't really want that 

467
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,900
from optimization standpoint but
for whatever reason you start to

468
00:26:51,908 --> 00:26:56,900
Crave that just feeling of just 
over over consumption which is a

469
00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:02,800
weird sensation in itself and 
then the moment you you know 

470
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,800
that you're teetering on the 
edge and then you give in and 

471
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,700
you over consume, it takes a 
massive hit on your self 

472
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:14,700
confidence because then you feel
like you're too weak like how we

473
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,200
can my I can't even control the 
food that I My own mouth. 

474
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,300
Like I start having these 
conversations with myself and 

475
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:23,100
then when you have that lack of 
confidence in who you are, it 

476
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:27,500
becomes exponentially easier to 
fail and falter a second, third,

477
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,000
fourth time. 
And then it just becomes this 

478
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
continuously compounding 
negative feedback loop. 

479
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:33,800
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

480
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,400
I think that's spot-on because 
you know, there's definitely 

481
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,900
been times where I know I'll say
this. 

482
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:46,600
I know for a lot of people that 
Get into binge, eating it stems 

483
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,900
from maybe there had really 
restrictive diet at some point, 

484
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:53,200
and they weren't eating enough 
calories, and so, if you're not 

485
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000
eating enough calories, it's 
going to be way easier to binge.

486
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,900
And then a lot of those people 
they find they start eating 

487
00:27:57,908 --> 00:28:00,600
foods. 
That actually fill them up, you 

488
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,700
know, like steak and things like
that. 

489
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,200
And that desire to bend it kind 
of goes away because they're 

490
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,400
actually getting enough 
nutrients. 

491
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,100
Whereas, for me, I could eat, 
you know, I could eat a 16 ounce

492
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,500
Ribeye and still have that 
desire. 

493
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,300
You, it's not always the desire 
to binge, but just the desire to

494
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:21,800
eat some hyper palatable food, 
like some ice cream or you know,

495
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,100
something high in sugar, fat and
salt after that. 

496
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,600
Even if it's key to ice cream, 
you know, it still hits my brain

497
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,500
the same way. 
So I could still have that same 

498
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,900
desire regardless of how much 
I've eaten because it's, it's 

499
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:36,800
not about Hunger, it's about 
that reward in that that 

500
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:43,000
overwhelming, pleasure, that 
that high of the food that I'm 

501
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,200
kind of seeking out. 
Out. 

502
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,900
Yeah it's interesting man. 
I feel like you know if somebody

503
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,400
is is chronically under eating 
and they're struggling with 

504
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,900
disordered eating, I feel like 
you know first and foremost they

505
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:57,400
got a intake enough calories so 
that they can at least meet 

506
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,100
their you know mineral and 
nutrient needs. 

507
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,000
That's going to help immensely. 
You know that. 

508
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,300
That's step one for you by this 
disorder having disordered 

509
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,300
eating as a result of 
chronically under eating. 

510
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,800
So they got to get that in check
first if they're eating adequate

511
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800
amount of food and nutrients and
Still having the disordered 

512
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,100
eating, then it becomes much 
more of a you're able to kind of

513
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:21,100
like know that it's not a 
physiological issues so much. 

514
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,300
It is a psychological issue and 
then we can kind of address it 

515
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:30,700
in a much different manner. 
Yep. 1000% the I think the 

516
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:34,900
difference that I've found is 
that a lot of people talk about 

517
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:38,300
restriction with all you need to
allow these Foods. 

518
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,100
That's why you're binging on 
them because you're restricting 

519
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:43,500
them from yourself. 
But I think that for me, when 

520
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:48,800
when you tell somebody who feels
truly addicted to food and by 

521
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,600
the way, I don't whatever labels
people want to use is fine, but 

522
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,500
I just, I think the subjective 
experience is what's most 

523
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,400
important. 
Like you can Me what you want to

524
00:29:57,408 --> 00:29:58,900
call it? 
Whether you think food addiction

525
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,000
is real thing or not? 
And whether someone says it, but

526
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,200
I know what I've experienced and
I know what other people have 

527
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,100
experienced as well. 
And I know even known as much as

528
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,600
I do just to still have that 
subjective experience. 

529
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,900
Ultimately is what I think is 
most important, but if someone 

530
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,800
the idea for me of never having 
those hyper palatable Foods 

531
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,800
again, is extremely freeing on 
one hand. 

532
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,100
Like there's a part of me that 
there's a part of me that does 

533
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,500
you know kind of feel. 
Like I'm going to be can have 

534
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:31,000
some cravings for a little 
while, but the idea of never 

535
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,600
having to even think about them 
again that feels so freeing 

536
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,200
whereas for someone who maybe 
just I think is dealing with 

537
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:44,000
overeating or maybe you know 
eating too strict maybe like 

538
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,700
super low fat and I don't know 
just promoting salads every meal

539
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,100
or something like that maybe 
that feels restricting to them 

540
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,400
but I think one person's 
restriction is another person's 

541
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Freedom. 
Yeah I think perception. 

542
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,400
I mean your perception Your 
reality. 

543
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,200
So I mean, a lot of these what 
works really well, for one may 

544
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,100
not be nearly as applicable to 
another, so having the 

545
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:08,100
self-awareness really comes into
play here because you have to 

546
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,000
know who you are, what you stand
for in the fact that I mean for 

547
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,100
you personally the fact you're 
also wanting to identify as 

548
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,900
someone who is a you know, 
expert in Nutrition. 

549
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:21,800
A coach, a trainer that adds a 
whole nother dimension of 

550
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,000
complexity to it because not 
only do you address things and 

551
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,200
through the Lens of what do I 
need to do? 

552
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,900
What's best for me but you're 
also having the weights of how 

553
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,200
do I need to, you know, 
illustrate myself in a way 

554
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,500
that's going to be best for 
others? 

555
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,600
And that's that just adds a 
whole nother dimension of like 

556
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,100
said complexity to the equation 
here. 

557
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,300
Yeah, it high. 
I know we talked about this but 

558
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:48,000
it's definitely definitely gets 
me in my own head about things 

559
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400
and I you know, I one day I'm 
hearing somebody talking about 

560
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,900
food addiction and you know, 
following a Whole Foods based 

561
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:56,500
lifestyle and just completely 
abstaining from those. 

562
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,500
Foods and, you know, feeling 
great doing that. 

563
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,200
And then the next day, I hear 
somebody else talking about 

564
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,400
well, food addiction is not a 
real thing and people think 

565
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,300
they're just addicted but they 
really just have to do this. 

566
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:11,900
You just have to, you know, not 
listen to their urges and or do 

567
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:15,100
this for that and use this 
mental technique and and then I 

568
00:32:15,108 --> 00:32:16,600
think, well maybe I'm not doing 
the right thing. 

569
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,000
So maybe I need to try this and 
maybe this is the real way and 

570
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,900
this work for this person. 
So you know, if I have a future 

571
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:26,400
client or something that doesn't
resonate with the abstinence, 

572
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:28,500
Idea, well, maybe they need to, 
to do this. 

573
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:33,700
But I found that if you know 
these for me, I think it's just 

574
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:37,800
what's most important is to find
is the process of finding what 

575
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,000
does work for you. 
You know, I'm not saying by any 

576
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,500
means, what works for me is 
going to work for everybody, but

577
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:46,700
I do think that I think it's 
worth it least. 

578
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:51,200
I think there's a good 
foundation to be had of trying 

579
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:58,700
to go for a period without those
Foods just too. the just to kind

580
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:04,300
of know that you don't need them
and I think that's really kind 

581
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:06,800
of the one of the biggest light 
bulb moments I've had since 

582
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,700
we've been working together is 
just the idea of the opposite of

583
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:18,000
an addiction is not too, is not 
even not giving into that 

584
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
addiction. 
But I think it's being apathetic

585
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,900
about it to the point where you 
don't you no longer care about 

586
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,600
those Foods as much so you're 
not placing such a high emphasis

587
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,900
on them because I think to 
someone I read this in a in a 

588
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:35,300
book while back and they said to
some to an addicted mine. 

589
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,700
Like the Holy Grail is 
moderation because you think 

590
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,300
well I just To be able to eat 
these foods. 

591
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:45,100
But not have the consequences of
them, but at the same time if 

592
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,400
you're self-aware enough to 
realize that that's the fact 

593
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:54,400
that moderation is such a high 
priority for you is that that's 

594
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000
very different from someone who 
is moderating like you know, 

595
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,600
someone who's moderating, 
they're not thinking about, oh 

596
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,500
I'm trying to moderate it's just
they could take it or leave it. 

597
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,800
If you told someone that, you 
know, has no issues with eating,

598
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,100
you know, ice cream or cake, or 
cookies that They can never have

599
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,199
it again. 
They probably be kind of down 

600
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,000
about it, but they, I don't 
think they would. 

601
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,600
I don't know. 
It probably wouldn't affect them

602
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,600
as much as somebody who has an 
addiction to those things and 

603
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,000
feels like, you know, that's 
there in one sense that that's 

604
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,699
everything that they're striving
for. 

605
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:31,000
It's kind of like just it's 
aiming at a very superficial 

606
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Target that really shouldn't be 
given that much attention 100% 

607
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000
man. 
I feel like, I feel like there's

608
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
a lot of different ways we could
take this but I feel like 

609
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,199
They're the human mind is not 
respond. 

610
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:48,199
Well in the context of feeling 
deprived or of sacrificing 

611
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,800
something like we don't like to 
give things up. 

612
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,400
We like to have our cake and eat
it too so to speak and when we 

613
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,200
realized that if we try to 
overcome an addiction by simply 

614
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,800
removing it and not replacing 
it, then we're going to 

615
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800
constantly feel like we're 
sacrificing and that we're 

616
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,800
deprived and that Instant 
nagging feeling is going to have

617
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,600
us Fester on the thoughts, that 
thing that we feel deprived of. 

618
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,900
And that just going to result in
US binging on whatever that 

619
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:21,800
thing is and I'm proud of 
change. 

620
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,300
I mean, I don't pretend to be an
expert in this by any means. 

621
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,400
But this is what I've noticed 
through my own personal Journey.

622
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,300
But I feel like for me, what's 
been incredibly impactful is 

623
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,400
recognizing that by removing the
IE, you know, carbs heavily 

624
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,800
processed foods, I'm not really 
sacrificing anything of value 

625
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:50,400
because the importance and 
significance of those isn't 

626
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,600
really even that great. 
I mean, if I was to think as a 

627
00:35:53,607 --> 00:35:56,600
performance athlete, for 
instance, that my performance 

628
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,200
which is the, you know, highest 
goal is going to be hindered by 

629
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,500
not having carbohydrates yet. 
I'm struggling with this 

630
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,500
addiction to carbohydrates. 
That would be a very, you know, 

631
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,900
depressing thought that would be
a very Be discouraging 

632
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,000
realization. 
But once I came to the 

633
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,400
conclusion that hey, look, I 
cannot have carbohydrates 

634
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,800
processed foods and that's not 
going to result in a net 

635
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,400
negative to my performance. 
That was very liberating because

636
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,300
then I was able to double down 
on the things that I felt 

637
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,500
confident with improve my 
overall performance. 

638
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,900
And because I was able to double
that on those, I no longer felt 

639
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:34,900
like I was sacrificing or being 
deprived. 

640
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,700
I appreciated the confidence 
gained in knowing that I was 

641
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,300
only going to get Closer to my 
performance goals by removing 

642
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:47,100
that addiction, that outweighed,
the temporary thought of feeling

643
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,000
like I was sacrificing 
something, does that make sense?

644
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400
That makes total sense and that 
is spot on this. 

645
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,800
I think it's the best way to say
it is that you know, you're 

646
00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:01,000
you're replacing it with 
something else because it's keep

647
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,300
referencing Jordan Pederson, of 
course. 

648
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:06,100
But you know he talks about 
aiming up and when you're 

649
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,600
addicted, your your aim is. 
Your aim is at not doing 

650
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,100
something, your aim is at and I 
feel like when anytime you aim 

651
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:18,200
at not doing something, you just
focus on doing that thing more, 

652
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:22,200
which drives you deeper into it 
and you don't know why you keep 

653
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,500
going into it. 
When the only thing you're 

654
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:28,900
trying to do is not do it, but 
when you completely change a 

655
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,100
lifestyle, it's like putting on 
an entirely new lens. 

656
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,900
It's almost like I remember 
hearing a podcast about A 

657
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:44,700
veteran Who Lost His sight set 
on I-80 and, you know, had to 

658
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,600
have surgery and almost lost his
life and he no longer could see 

659
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,200
after that, you know. 
I don't think I'm sure I can't 

660
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200
even imagine how difficult that 
is. 

661
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,700
But at the same time, I remember
thinking that, you know, his 

662
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,900
whole perspective was not 
thinking about what he couldn't 

663
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:03,600
see. 
Now, his whole perspective was 

664
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,000
building a new life with what 
with his new state. 

665
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:13,800
And make an impact in that way. 
And I think that focusing on the

666
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,600
impact that you can make the 
genuine, the meaningful things 

667
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,400
in, even one of those genuine 
meaningful things being eating 

668
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,400
food. 
That satisfies you can actually,

669
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,900
makes you feel good. 
You know, breaking bread with 

670
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,500
friends, the things that you 
look back on. 

671
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:34,500
And you remember that, you're 
glad that you did just putting 

672
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:38,800
more of a focus on those things 
and thinking about how Eating in

673
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,100
that way is going to support you
even, you know, putting on 

674
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:45,700
muscle in the gym or the things 
that like I actually care about 

675
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:49,200
the things that I truly am 
passionate about switching that 

676
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,400
focus is just, it's so much 
easier and it's so much more 

677
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,300
enjoyable to embrace something 
new than to try to constantly 

678
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:01,900
push away something that you 
hate. 100% completely agree. 

679
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,300
And it's funny because there is 
again, there's a lot of 

680
00:39:07,308 --> 00:39:08,500
different, a lot of different 
directions. 

681
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,600
We could take it, but I feel 
like on that. 

682
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,600
Last point you made the like, 
for me, personally, there's one 

683
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,300
instance, way back when I was 
really deep into struggling, 

684
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,900
with these eating disorders. 
And I think I may have talked 

685
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:25,700
about this on the podcast prior,
but I was I was going through 

686
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:30,700
this time, I was just fixating 
on food and I got news that My 

687
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:35,900
one of my family members was in 
the hospital and I thought about

688
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:39,400
that for a moment, but then my 
thoughts immediately went back 

689
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,200
to thinking about the next meal 
and that was like, such an aha 

690
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,900
moment for me because I realized
that the true quality of my life

691
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,500
in our relationships is being 
hindered in a very negative way 

692
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:54,600
because of something that is so 
incredibly unimportant in the 

693
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,200
grand scheme of things and that 
having the negative 

694
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,200
psychological effect did. 
Coupled with the fact that it 

695
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,400
was having physical, you know, 
detriment from a physical 

696
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,300
standpoint, it made it that much
easier to get excited about the 

697
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:10,800
benefit gained. 
And basically what I was 

698
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,600
replacing that with on a 
positive end of the spectrum 

699
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,800
with regard to eating the whole 
quality foods that I knew were 

700
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,200
adding value, like people that 
don't have these addictions, 

701
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,200
they don't have to worry about 
moderation. 

702
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,600
They're able to moderate and not
be an issue. 

703
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,900
They may be eating some you 
know, birthday cake. 

704
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,700
I'm sure in the, in the depths 
of their soul, they don't 

705
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,300
honestly think that that 
birthday cake is healthy and 

706
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,100
adding any inherent benefit to 
their overall health and 

707
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:41,600
well-being. 
Whereas with me, it's like now 

708
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,500
that I'm not even having that as
an option. 99% of the things 

709
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:48,100
that I'm actually consuming are 
actually improving my health and

710
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,700
performance and well-being. 
And that is an exciting 

711
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,500
realization. 
And I know that my quality of 

712
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,500
relationships has improved 
because I don't have to think 

713
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,000
about the superficial stuff that
doesn't matter. 

714
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,300
And when you have that, Light 
bulb, click. 

715
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:05,700
It's like how it's hard to 
rewind and go back to what you 

716
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,300
used to thing, because the 
overwhelming power of how you 

717
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,800
think. 
Now, just is so much more 

718
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,400
sustainable and you feel right 
about like you don't ever have 

719
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,300
to have that. 
That lack of self-confidence 

720
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,400
because you deep down in your 
soul, know that what you're 

721
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,100
doing is better for not only 
yourself physically and mentally

722
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,200
but also for the relationships 
in your life in the people that 

723
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,600
matter. 
Yeah. 

724
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,800
Yeah, I love that. 
Yeah, I think it's it's just 

725
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,800
like you said, it's, it's kind 
of its kind of creating a new 

726
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,600
normal for yourself. 
It's like your What was once 

727
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,000
your ceiling becomes your new 
floor and you you're able to 

728
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:48,800
actually be yourself and kind of
completely cut out that side of 

729
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,300
you that you that really is just
so superficially focused and I 

730
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:58,800
think once that side is out you 
you're able to just you're able 

731
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,500
to be present more. 
You're able to like you said, 

732
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,100
even if you're out of place or 
some kind of event where there's

733
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:08,000
cake or something and you know 
rather than fixating. 

734
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,700
No, no, I can't. 
That cake this the whole time 

735
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,000
you know, you're you're just 
focused on how much more present

736
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,100
you can be. 
And you know, when I think back 

737
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,800
there's never been a point in my
life where I've thought, man, 

738
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,600
that, that would have been so 
much more enjoyable. 

739
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,300
If I, you know, I'd had, you 
know, a few more slices of cake,

740
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:30,200
or like I just eat more, you 
know, like it would have been. 

741
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,100
That's, that's, that's never 
happened. 

742
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,400
It's usually like, man, I feel 
awful this morning. 

743
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,500
I wish I had knows. 
You know, eat And all that stuff

744
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,300
last night. 
And you know now my next day is 

745
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:44,800
affected because of how I ate 
yesterday. 

746
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,600
And, you know, it's like the the
quote I say, it's like you you 

747
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,900
hunger for what you feed on and 
it's like if you are constantly 

748
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:55,700
feeding on those things, and 
that's exactly what it is. 

749
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:59,400
It's like if I don't feel them 
at all, I don't want them 

750
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,200
anymore and I'm able to replace 
them so much easier. 

751
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,400
More easily versus, you know, if
I was to go to somewhere and 

752
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,800
have a The cake. 
I'd be probably fine but I put 

753
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,000
that. 
You know how that is Kate. 

754
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,600
Put it down but then the next 
day those thoughts would be 

755
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,600
coming back again. 
It would feel like that other 

756
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,600
side of me was like that fuse 
was lit essentially and it would

757
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,200
only be a matter of time before 
there was like I don't know, I 

758
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,900
wasn't paying attention or I 
know for me A lot of times where

759
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:35,000
I have binge eating or eating 
things just unconsciously, it's 

760
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,800
always when I'm doing something 
else like ironically it's when 

761
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,100
I'm listening to a podcast or 
something like that because it 

762
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:44,900
becomes such an automatic 
response that the second you are

763
00:43:44,908 --> 00:43:50,300
not paying 100% attention to it.
You just start kind of going at 

764
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,300
it and it's almost like you're 
checked out and almost as 

765
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,400
automatic as brushing your teeth
or something like that. 

766
00:43:55,500 --> 00:44:00,400
Hmm, definitely. 
And I Like, in order, I feel 

767
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,400
like you need to have like 
everybody needs to have certain 

768
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,900
non-negotiables in life. 
And what those non-negotiables 

769
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:09,900
are is going to be very 
different depending on the 

770
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:13,300
individual. 
And I mean to, for me, to 

771
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,700
reference Jordan Pederson, I'll 
just go along with your Trend 

772
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:18,500
here. 
He talks a lot about Order and 

773
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:22,800
Chaos and how change happens on 
The Fringe and Humanity has 

774
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,200
constantly trying to reach this 
equilibrium between Order and 

775
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,800
Chaos. 
Chaos. 

776
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:32,300
You know, for me the it's 
important to have these 

777
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,200
non-negotiables within the 
context of what that Order and 

778
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,100
Chaos presents itself as so like
using this, this conversation is

779
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:43,200
as an example. 
You know, a non-negotiable for 

780
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,100
me would be processed 
carbohydrates. 

781
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:49,600
That I know are not adding any 
inherent benefit to my life or 

782
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,800
the life of those around me. 
So I can, I can easily have 

783
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,100
that. 
Is non-negotiable, I don't need 

784
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,700
it. 
Now, does that mean that I need 

785
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:00,000
to be? 
Super strict and Counting every 

786
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,300
single macro all the time from 
good clean, quality whole 

787
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,600
sources. 
No, and here's here's how you 

788
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:11,500
here's how I can can justify and
make that entire process more 

789
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,200
sustainable. 
Because if it's if it's not 

790
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,200
sustainable than its you're 
going to be much more app to go 

791
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,700
off the rails and binge and 
Purge, and it just becomes a 

792
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:21,000
negative feedback loop again. 
But if you make it sustainable, 

793
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:24,300
then it then you're able to 
obviously sustain it and that 

794
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,900
compounding effect of sustaining
something positive Year after 

795
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,700
year after year is where that's 
where, that's where the magic 

796
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:35,000
quote unquote is made. 
And in this realm, you know, 

797
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,900
order would be defined as 
tracking everything to the T and

798
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:41,200
having all your Macros dialed in
knowing your calorie counts, 

799
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,600
knowing the macro ratios etc. 
Etc, etc. 

800
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,700
Chaos would be defined as not 
tracking it all going through 

801
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:51,600
life, very willy-nilly with your
food and just eating as however,

802
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,400
you see fit. 
And for me, it's like, well, 

803
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,400
wait a minute here, if I really 
want to make this sustainable, 

804
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:00,300
I've got to kind of find that 
good equilibrium point and go 

805
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:03,200
through these various phases, 
depending on where my, where my 

806
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,600
mind is that at the moment, what
my goals are at the moment and 

807
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,900
for me as a bodybuilder, even if
I wasn't stepping on stage as a 

808
00:46:10,908 --> 00:46:14,500
bodybuilder, I think having a 
determined building and cutting 

809
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:18,000
phase is key from a 
psychological standpoint because

810
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:21,000
it allows me to have this period
of time where I can be 

811
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:24,800
incredibly ordered and strict 
and really kind of operate on 

812
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,300
The Fringe and optimizing an 
extreme level 4. 

813
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:32,600
One thing but then it's it's 
juxtaposed against this chaos. 

814
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,900
Not miss a chaos, but you get 
the concept in which I'm not 

815
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:39,200
tracking nears diligently, I'm 
able to be more loose and more 

816
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,700
relaxed still eating the good 
quality foods at all fall within

817
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,800
the Realms of what I consider, 
you know, okay, and not a 

818
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,800
non-negotiable but having that 
that difference, that 

819
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,200
equilibrium point that Yin and 
the Yang makes this entire 

820
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Journey, much more sustainable, 
much more enjoyable and it 

821
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,600
allows me to go through life 
without feeling like I'm 

822
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,500
sacrificing anything. 
That is beautifully. 

823
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,800
Put, I love a lot of the 
ordering chaos analogy because I

824
00:47:05,808 --> 00:47:07,800
think it's also kind of like 
that. 

825
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,000
You know, I know you've talked 
about this before but the 

826
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:13,600
discipline equals freedom and 
kind of thing where it's, you 

827
00:47:13,607 --> 00:47:17,500
know, you create you create 
rules in order to create more 

828
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,100
freedom, you know. 
It's like there's a reason we 

829
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:23,600
have laws is reason like we have
you know, people protecting 

830
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:29,100
those laws is so that we can 
feel a sense of safety and not 

831
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,500
have to worry about certain 
things. 

832
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:34,100
Evan, but if we didn't have 
those laws, we wouldn't have 

833
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,400
that freedom. 
And so, I think what? 

834
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,300
I one of the kind of the biggest
epiphanies I've found for 

835
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,000
myself. 
Is that for some people? 

836
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,400
I there's a lot of push out 
there right now about like no 

837
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,100
rules like, no food roles and 
you know, nothing is good or bad

838
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:53,500
and you know, maybe from a moral
level, of course it's not you're

839
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:58,800
not a bad person for eating any 
certain food, but I think that 

840
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,600
rules can be very freeing for 
certain people. well, and I 

841
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,300
think rather than thinking that 
something is wrong with you for 

842
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,600
creating these rules for 
yourself, if you feel free with 

843
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,700
them and you know, maybe there 
is maybe there is some magical 

844
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,200
technique where you wouldn't 
have to have those rules, but I 

845
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,500
think the even the process of 
Face of fighting those battles 

846
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:22,900
to try to find something. 
When you already know that 

847
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:24,700
something would be very freeing 
for you. 

848
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,400
It kind of just kind of saying 
that out loud. 

849
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,300
It almost makes you think well, 
you know I don't I don't want to

850
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:34,600
fight a battle that I don't need
to fight because there are 

851
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,900
plenty of battles that are worth
fighting that I could be putting

852
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:42,500
my attention to right now. 
If I was to just like you said, 

853
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:46,200
put that one foot in order. 
And because that one footed is 

854
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,400
an order of be able to 
Experience and face the chaos of

855
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,900
things that are worth dealing 
with at a much higher level or 

856
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,000
said another way, like, you 
know, getting rid of the 

857
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,000
experience to embrace the 
meaning of things, 100% man, in 

858
00:49:05,008 --> 00:49:08,300
very well, put I feel like the 
people that are advocating for 

859
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,300
this total lack of rules with 
regard to nutrition. 

860
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,900
But I mean, all everything that 
we've said in this podcast can 

861
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:17,400
be an analogy for life. 
So I mean, we gotta take it with

862
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,100
what what? 
What? 

863
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:23,600
But I feel like the people 
saying those things have come 

864
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,900
from a place on the complete 
opposite, end of the spectrum 

865
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:28,900
and the Pendulum is in the 
process of swinging to the other

866
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:32,000
end of the spectrum. 
And those are the types of 

867
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,200
people that you see change 
course like in 180 degree of 

868
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,200
shift on a pretty regularly 
occurring basis. 

869
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,800
And in my opinion, I look at 
that and I'm not really 

870
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,600
impressed by it, like the whole 
grass is greener. 

871
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,600
On the other side, the shiny 
object syndrome like those are 

872
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,100
people. 
I mean You look just the the 

873
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:54,100
keto space alone, you see a lot 
of people totally changing their

874
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,100
tune on third on certain things 
that they've been, you know, 

875
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,400
planting their flag in the 
ground on in the past and that's

876
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,500
not to say, you shouldn't 
experiment. 

877
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:04,600
I'm very much so, you know, 
experiment try different things.

878
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,400
See what works for you. 
I'm all for it, but to see 

879
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,400
people totally change their 
stance on, you know, 

880
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:17,000
conflicting, moral viewpoints or
whatever that maybe it's like, I

881
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,400
feel like that's more. 
So, Is the pendulum swing in the

882
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,400
opposite direction and they 
don't really have a grasp on 

883
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,800
what is right for them yet and 
that's why I take a lot of pride

884
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,100
in the fact that you know, I've 
been following this exact 

885
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:34,400
protocol now with changes, you 
know tweaks and manipulations 

886
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,000
with what I'm trying to do. 
But like as an overarching 

887
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,300
theme, I've been following the 
exact same protocol now for the 

888
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,600
past five or six years and it's 
totally sustainable for me. 

889
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,100
Again, this is all 
individualized, but the fact 

890
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,500
that it's worked so well for me,
leads me to believe Leave that. 

891
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:50,900
It could very well likely work 
well for others. 

892
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,600
And I'm just trying to spread 
that message and share with what

893
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,100
I've done. 
Because if anybody has gone 

894
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,300
through the eating disorder that
I've gone through and this is 

895
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:00,900
works well for me, it stands to 
reason that it can very well 

896
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,400
work well for them, and I feel 
like that's what my underlying 

897
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,700
motivation is behind sharing 
this message, but whenever I'm 

898
00:51:07,707 --> 00:51:11,500
looking for anybody in life, you
know, whenever I'm seeing 

899
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:14,500
something that I want to 
achieve, you don't want to ask 

900
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:18,100
people that aren't living what 
you're wanting to do, like you. 

901
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,000
I wouldn't ask a bum on the side
of the street, how to become a 

902
00:51:22,008 --> 00:51:24,800
multi-millionaire businessman. 
Like you probably wouldn't get 

903
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,900
the best answers. 
You know, you want to get advice

904
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,700
and wisdom from people that are 
doing what you aspire to be 

905
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:33,100
doing. 
Not people that have no context 

906
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,400
or perception of what it is that
you're wanting to do. 

907
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:38,200
And, you know, that's going to 
be different for different 

908
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,700
people depending on what their 
goals and desires life are. 

909
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,900
But I'm proud to say that. 
I've I've seen so much success 

910
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:47,900
doing this, the way I've done it
and I'm proud and happy to 

911
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:49,400
share. 
That message and I would just 

912
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,600
encourage anybody listening to 
to do the same, whether it's my 

913
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,400
protocol or anybody else's 
particle like figure out who's 

914
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,100
doing something that you aspire 
to do and has successfully done 

915
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:01,400
it for years on end only getting
better with each year that 

916
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:07,100
passes and take notes from them.
And that is spot on it. 

917
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:10,400
And that's one of the reasons 
that I reached out to you is it 

918
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,900
wasn't because I thought you had
you know the magic trick of 

919
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:18,900
Eating Disorders but the way 
that you know I can just very 

920
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,700
genuinely, tell that everything 
you say is extremely honest and 

921
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
the things that you stand for 
the values that you have, the 

922
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:31,300
goals that you've achieved and 
the things that you're working 

923
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:34,000
towards like that, just that 
whole lifestyle. 

924
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,600
There's something that I really 
resonated with. 

925
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,600
It wasn't just one nutrition 
protocol. 

926
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,500
Is it was the person that you 
are and that you the way that 

927
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:48,500
you ate, you know, was a was a 
part of that life, but it 

928
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:50,500
wasn't. 
It wasn't the whole thing and it

929
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:52,800
wasn't a trend. 
It wasn't a fad, it was 

930
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,800
something that was authentically
part of you as a person. 

931
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,100
And that is what resonated and I
think especially with guys 

932
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:03,000
because I think a lot of guys 
don't talk about this very 

933
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:10,300
openly, I think it's very Very 
female heavy industry as far as 

934
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:11,200
eating disorders. 
Go. 

935
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,300
And I don't think it's that 
guys, don't deal with it. 

936
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:15,400
I just think maybe they don't 
use the same language and 

937
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,700
speaking about it, but I know 
for me, it just you as a person 

938
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:23,200
and just like you said, if you 
know, you want to listen to 

939
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,600
somebody that actually has 
success in the areas that you're

940
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:33,100
after or because that speaks so 
much more than somebody who has 

941
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:34,800
the head knowledge to tell you 
what to do. 

942
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:37,700
You but isn't actually living it
themselves hasn't actually been 

943
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:41,000
through it themselves so I, 
yeah, I totally agree. 

944
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,200
I think that's just, that's huge
man. 

945
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,500
Just like the setting. 
The example is, at least for me 

946
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:49,500
resonates more than anything 
else. 

947
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,900
Total agreement, I appreciate 
you noticing that in me. 

948
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:58,000
I feel like, you know, being 
honest is so incredibly 

949
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,300
important and we live in this 
weird time in which it's so easy

950
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,700
to be dishonest, it's so easy to
put on On a mask and masquerade 

951
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:10,500
around, is this person that 
you're not and it's compelling 

952
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,300
to do. 
So, like if you get this high 

953
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:15,100
like like you do with in a jar 
of peanut butter, you get this 

954
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:19,600
High by showcasing yourself as 
someone that you are not. 

955
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,300
But some of that, you know, the 
majority would aspire to be or 

956
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:25,600
look up to especially in the 
fitness industry. 

957
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Like it's kind of disgusting and
it's unfortunate So I've always 

958
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,800
just fought like that like I 
feel like the whole fake it till

959
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,600
you make it phenomenon. 
Disgust me like I just I want to

960
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,000
be the best person I could be in
the most transparent way 

961
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,300
possible and I want to see 
success doing that because I 

962
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,500
feel like you can definitely see
success doing that and then the 

963
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:52,200
success that you do see is a 
much more native organic true 

964
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,500
success and you never have to 
wear a mask. 

965
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,500
I mean, if to me a, a great 
horror in life, a great fear 

966
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:05,300
would be To build up some degree
of success under a lie and then 

967
00:55:05,308 --> 00:55:08,900
have to constantly nurture that 
lie, that would be just the 

968
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,500
epitome of failure in my mind. 
No matter how much money is in 

969
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:13,400
the bank account that to me 
would be failure. 

970
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:18,200
So I want to be doing the exact 
opposite that in any degree of 

971
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,600
success eyes. 
See whether that be from a 

972
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,300
monetary standpoint, from a 
relationship standpoint from a 

973
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:27,800
whatever standpoint. 
I want it to be made being 100% 

974
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,800
completely authentic. 
Who I am as a person and know 

975
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,000
that the people that I interact 
with know that about me with 

976
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:38,800
absolute certainty. 
I love that. 

977
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:44,100
It's it's kind of odd that I 
feel like, you know, I don't 

978
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,600
think everybody's sad obviously 
but it's just I feel like we 

979
00:55:47,607 --> 00:55:52,100
live in a time right now where 
Being honest stands out so much.

980
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:55,700
And that's one of the things 
just your podcast and everything

981
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,300
you stand for. 
And the people that I listened 

982
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:01,200
to or the people that are very 
honest about things and they 

983
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,400
don't sugarcoat it good or bad. 
And I think that's that's just 

984
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,500
as important whether it's like 
with an eating disorder or with 

985
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:15,000
whatever experience it is, I 
think there's just there's 

986
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,500
something there's when you hear 
truth you know it it's almost 

987
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:22,800
like it's an intuitive thing and
almost in the same way that I 

988
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,900
would say that, at least for me 
when I have found, what does 

989
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:30,100
work for me with with binge 
eating and eating disorders and 

990
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:34,200
things like that? 
Is you almost intuitively Know 

991
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,100
It with in the first five 
seconds of thinking about it. 

992
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:42,600
Just like when you hear 
something that's truthful, you 

993
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,200
know, it pretty quickly and it 
really it, resonates at a deeper

994
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,000
level hits. 
It's in a more genuine way. 

995
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:52,900
Yeah, and I feel like there's a 
certain power that comes with, 

996
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400
you know. 
Acting that truth out into the 

997
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,400
world because we live in a world
in which everybody has so much 

998
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,700
access to one another. 
So it's like it's like the the 

999
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:10,700
need to connect with one another
becomes, much more Amplified and

1000
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:14,200
that that has resulted in both 
positives and negatives. 

1001
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:19,200
But I feel like it's no longer 
enough from a self development 

1002
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,200
standpoint. 
I'm sure there is some instances

1003
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,000
where it has been enough, but I 
feel like on a whole it's no 

1004
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,500
longer sufficient to just be, 
you know, honest with yourself. 

1005
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,100
I feel like your ability to 
reach the other side and make 

1006
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:35,500
more progress. 
In life is Amplified. 

1007
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:38,200
If you're able to not only have 
that Honesty with yourself but 

1008
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,400
then to have that honesty and 
share it with others because 

1009
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:44,500
you're able to just expedite 
your own personal growth. 

1010
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,200
I mean, again going back to 
Jordan Peterson. 

1011
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,000
He was talking about, Carl Jung 
and how his belief in people 

1012
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,500
manifest themselves in the most 
positive way. 

1013
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:59,200
To society as a whole is to have
complete Nutter self-awareness 

1014
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,600
and to know the darkness that 
you're capable of in order to 

1015
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,800
appreciate and understand and 
comprehend the positive in the 

1016
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,800
light that you're capable of 
until you know, and are familiar

1017
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,100
with both ends of that Spectrum.
You can't possibly be the best 

1018
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,600
person that you can be for 
yourself and for others, and I 

1019
00:58:14,607 --> 00:58:19,600
feel like, if you have this 
darkness in you, but then you're

1020
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,900
honest about it and not 
necessarily acting upon it. 

1021
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:25,200
But at least honest about it to 
the world like me. being open 

1022
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,200
about the fact that I struggle 
with eating disorders, or me 

1023
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,400
being open to the fact that 
anything that I struggle with in

1024
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,100
life and and showcasing that to 
my audience, my followers, My 

1025
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,700
subscribers, whatever my 
listeners, my ability to impact 

1026
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:42,200
them in a positive manner, with 
light also becomes much more 

1027
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:48,400
Amplified I'm and yeah so so 
well put I think the yeah 

1028
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,800
there's I don't think you can 
truly have full self awareness 

1029
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:54,500
without other people being 
involved in its why. 

1030
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,000
Again like I love working 
together as just because it's 

1031
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,900
almost like I'm on the field and
you're in the Press Box. 

1032
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:04,200
You know, you can see things 
that I can't and you have 

1033
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,900
experiences that and in this is 
part of what I need to. 

1034
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,600
Continually work to get better 
at is kind of knowing when to 

1035
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,500
stop the thoughts of my own head
or when to just turn them off 

1036
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,800
and just trust the process and 
know that, you know, sometimes 

1037
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,300
it's easier to act yourself into
thinking instead of trying to 

1038
00:59:26,308 --> 00:59:32,200
think yourself into acting. 
And yeah, I'll just the human 

1039
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,100
connection aspect in any. 
Any aspect of my life has always

1040
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:37,800
been. 
It's always been probably the 

1041
00:59:37,808 --> 00:59:41,800
most valued thing I've had It is
community and I think even like 

1042
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:45,400
this, these passed this past 
year where I haven't had as much

1043
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,100
face-to-face, interaction with 
people, it's definitely 

1044
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,500
definitely noticed that 
difference. 

1045
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,900
And just when you don't have 
something at, you really realize

1046
00:59:54,900 --> 01:00:00,100
how much you need it and how 
much you appreciate it and 

1047
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:04,300
there's just something that even
online you can't get the same as

1048
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:08,300
that face-to-face connection 
where you can grow personally by

1049
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:10,600
being around other people. 
People and help those people 

1050
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,600
grow by being around them, 
totally, man. 

1051
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,500
That's why I was so stoked to 
get you on the podcast. 

1052
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:17,000
Because even though it's just 
you and me talking here, we're 

1053
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,400
not really getting any feedback 
from anybody listening. 

1054
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:22,500
The fact that, you know, that 
what you've said is now in the 

1055
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:25,900
ears of so many people that for 
whatever reason can be very 

1056
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:28,400
liberating. 
And I feel like, you know, 

1057
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:32,700
having that sense of community 
as Amplified, knowing that the 

1058
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:34,600
thoughts that are going through 
your head, the struggles that 

1059
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,600
you're dealing with on a regular
basis, other people that are 

1060
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,500
going through, it can relate 
with them, One. 

1061
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:41,900
But then also that people that 
are not in struggling with that 

1062
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,400
can kind of, you know, 
subconsciously hold you 

1063
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,400
accountable in your own mind 
simply because you know, that 

1064
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,800
other people know and even if 
they never reach out and talk to

1065
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,100
you just simply knowing that 
other people have heard the 

1066
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:56,900
words that you said today think 
that could be very, very 

1067
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:00,400
empowering for you. 
And not you know going off 

1068
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,100
course in the future. 
Yeah, yeah, I think that 

1069
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:07,800
accountability is huge and I 
like to be open about these 

1070
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,800
things and not at all for, you 
know, trying to get any kind of 

1071
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,300
sympathy or anything like that. 
I think I think there's like, 

1072
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:17,500
you were to talk about the 
pendulum earlier. 

1073
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:22,500
I think there's that pendulum of
swinging all the way to where 

1074
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:26,200
it's like, for people. 
Like to be vulnerable, just to 

1075
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:29,700
maybe Garner attention. 
And that is definitely not my 

1076
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:32,300
intent whatsoever, but it's just
simply too. 

1077
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,300
You know hopefully resonate with
other guys out there especially 

1078
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:40,700
that maybe have dealt with this 
and I never take a stance of 

1079
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,700
being powerless or of being the 
victim or anything like that. 

1080
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:46,700
I think we all have. 
We all have our own demons and 

1081
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:47,500
just like you were talking 
about. 

1082
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:51,200
We all have our own dark sides 
that we have to deal with and 

1083
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,900
but we do have the power to deal
with them and to take that 

1084
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:57,300
responsibility and I think for 
me the act of taking 

1085
01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:03,100
responsibility in that area and 
owning up to it is it's a and 

1086
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,300
for being able to take 
responsibility in any other 

1087
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:11,200
area, because I think the You 
take your, your greatest 

1088
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,600
struggle and making your 
greatest Victory. 

1089
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,400
I think that really shines a 
light on all the other areas 

1090
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,700
that maybe you didn't have 
confidence in before, and it 

1091
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:23,000
kind of helps bolster that 
confidence for those bigger 

1092
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,400
things, 100%, man, any less than
that, you learn with any aspect 

1093
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,000
of your life, whether it's, you 
know, eating or training or 

1094
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,000
business, career relationships, 
they all, they all build the 

1095
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,500
whole and the whole being you as
a person. 

1096
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:41,800
So, anything that you I'll go 
with her succeed in in this is 

1097
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,800
going to have a, you know, 
corresponding impact on every 

1098
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,600
other aspect of your life. 
So I'm excited to be working 

1099
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:49,400
with you, man. 
I'm excited. 

1100
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,700
I'm proud to be working with 
you. 

1101
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,900
I'm honored to have you on the 
podcast and have a friendship 

1102
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:56,700
with you, man, because you make 
me a better person. 

1103
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:59,800
And I'm I appreciate. 
I appreciate what you brought 

1104
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,000
into my life as well. 
I really appreciate it, Robert 

1105
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,200
and it's been, it's definitely 
an honor to be on this podcast 

1106
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,000
and it's an honor to work with 
you. 

1107
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,300
And like I said, there's there's
something Beyond just a coaching

1108
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:17,200
relationship that I just I have 
so much respect for you and the 

1109
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,900
things that you stand for and 
just hearing the way that you 

1110
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:23,500
talk to other people and the way
that you impact other people. 

1111
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:29,000
I think I've heard it said that 
the impact you have on other 

1112
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,400
people is typically the way they
talk about you when you're not 

1113
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,700
in the Room. 
And it's just, it's very cool to

1114
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:35,600
hear the other things that 
people say about you, the way 

1115
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,700
that you've impacted them, you 
know, just that you're the same 

1116
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:42,200
person on camera, so to speak 
and off camera. 

1117
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:44,800
And so, and I can attest to that
even through our current 

1118
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,700
relationship so far. 
So I really appreciate it. 

1119
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:50,000
I appreciate the example that 
you set for so many people. 

1120
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,900
Well, thanks a million man. 
That that definitely don't do 

1121
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:58,100
anything that I do to, you know,
gain any notoriety by any means.

1122
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:00,900
But it means the world to me to 
know that. 

1123
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:02,800
What? 
I'm spending my life doing, is 

1124
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,600
having a positive impact and 
just, to be able to have that 

1125
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,900
communication with you and 
others. 

1126
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:10,200
It makes me feel very, very 
fortunate, very blessed, and I'm

1127
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,900
just very appreciative to, to 
you, for even want to jump on 

1128
01:04:13,908 --> 01:04:16,200
the pond gas for anybody 
listening to the podcast right 

1129
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,100
now, for anybody. 
That's you know, tuned in any 

1130
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:20,800
point in their life, anybody 
that's about a break. 

1131
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,200
Anyway, that's than anything. 
I mean, just simply giving me 

1132
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,700
the time of day to listen to 
what I have to say. 

1133
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,000
That means more than than any 
monetary exchange by any stretch

1134
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,500
of the imagination. 
So, You for jumping on the 

1135
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:34,900
podcast and thank you for 
everyone listening. 

1136
01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:36,500
I appreciate you freaking, love 
you. 

1137
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:39,000
Where can people go to find out 
more about you, man? 

1138
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,000
I did not ask that. 
I'm so kind of an all the social

1139
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:49,700
media platforms but my Instagram
is Seth a Barner. 

1140
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,400
It's be ar and ER I didn't even 
get a chance to shout out to the

1141
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,500
keto bricks because that's been 
a huge. 

1142
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,600
It's like a daily, it's my daily
meal. 

1143
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:05,600
Neil the first meal of the day 
every day and I freaking love 

1144
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,800
those things. 
It's it's it fills a need that. 

1145
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:12,500
It just makes, I'm not make 
things a lot easier and I know 

1146
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:16,500
you didn't like, tell me to say 
anything about them, but it's 

1147
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:19,900
just as we worked for the coach 
relationship so much, I forget 

1148
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:25,000
to shout out to the even bigger.
Bigger Enterprise you have going

1149
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,800
on. 
So I appreciate that as well. 

1150
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:30,400
Yeah, I appreciate that. 
I have actually got it's funny. 

1151
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,600
You started off this whole 
discussion. 

1152
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:35,300
About, we're still recording, by
the way, I've got about peanut 

1153
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:39,000
butter because I feel like, you 
know, if there's a gateway drug 

1154
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,600
to eating disorders, it's peanut
butter. 

1155
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,500
I feel like everybody starts off
a peanut, but I've got a horror 

1156
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,100
stories and just going through a
whole tub of Jiffy, peanut 

1157
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:48,800
butter. 
And another, one of my clients 

1158
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,700
has struggled with eating 
disorders and she would just 

1159
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,400
down the nut Butters where there
was peanut butter, the almond 

1160
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,400
butter whatever. 
But she's hurting the bricks and

1161
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,100
for whatever reason that was 
able to scratch that craving for

1162
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:03,700
the nut butter. 
But Not cause her to totally go 

1163
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:07,500
off course, and and eats the nut
Butters, you know, in excess. 

1164
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,100
Yeah, that's, that's the crazy 
thing. 

1165
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:13,200
And I think that's what's so 
amazing to me about them is and 

1166
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,600
maybe it's just because of the 
high fats and how filling they 

1167
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,300
are, but I don't they don't 
trigger cravings for Me. 

1168
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,900
Maybe it's like the, the salt 
added to it to, I don't know. 

1169
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,000
But yeah, it's just it's very, 
very satisfying. 

1170
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:30,600
Whereas like, most processed 
foods are to do treats so to 

1171
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,900
speak there. 
There's like Zero nutrition in 

1172
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:35,300
them and so do you? 
There's no satiety Factor 

1173
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:37,400
whatsoever. 
So, yeah, I'm thankful. 

1174
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,200
I can eat the peanut butter 
brick. 

1175
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,300
Well, I've got a couple new 
flavors in the works. 

1176
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:43,500
I'm going to send you one, man. 
Gets get some, get some feedback

1177
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:46,400
from you all about that, how 
about that? 

1178
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,600
Will say that one more time, 
what was the Instagram? 

1179
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:49,800
I want to make sure I get that 
right. 

1180
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:55,200
Yeah, it's Seth a Barner. 
There's no no dashes. 

1181
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,200
Anything like that. 
Perfect, perfect. 

1182
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,200
I'll certainly link it to that 
and I just want to finish this 

1183
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,800
off with one more. 
You know token of my 

1184
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,600
appreciation man I think for 
taking the time to jump on here 

1185
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,500
and I enjoy working with you if 
there's everything I do for you 

1186
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,100
man, just let me know. 
I really appreciate Robin. 

1187
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,400
My pleasure 1000%, take care, 
brother. 

1188
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:14,700
All right. 
Later.