1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes Keto savage.com. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,040 Today I've got special guest doctor Alex Pasio topless and we 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,000 get aven to all things anti aging, age reversal, health 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,240 span, lifespan, all that good stuff, longevity to the Max. 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,320 So he is he he brought a whole bunch of interesting concepts to 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,080 the table here, how we can live our life currently. 7 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:22,960 What technologies are coming out to improve health span and 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,760 lifespan? What the timeline for these 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,640 things are looking like? Very, very, very interesting 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,040 conversation. We've kind of gone about our 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,520 lifestyle factors in slightly different ways from a 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,560 nutritional standpoint, but very interesting nonetheless. 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,360 I learned a ton. I've got no doubt that you will 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,280 take something from this step further. 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,920 Delay, sit back, relax. Enjoy the conversation with 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:55,720 Doctor Alex Pazzio Topolis. And we are live. 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,720 How you doing today, Sir? I'm doing great, thanks for 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,800 having me on the show. Hey, I'm glad to have you man. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,440 So my audience is definitely interested in pursuing the 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,400 fountain of youth. I feel like nutrition, lifestyle 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,240 factors all come into play there, but you are leading the 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,440 tip of the spear, so to speak, when it comes to anti aging. 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,480 So I'd love to kind of learn more about what got you into 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,360 this space and what all you've learned in the process. 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Sure, it's kind of a long road for me, you know, I didn't go 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,200 just standard route right to from undergrad to medical 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,840 school. So I had a career before as a 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,280 physician, I mean, as a as a builder and I get found my way 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,640 into the yoga scene, became yoga teacher, did a lot of Ashtanga 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,520 yoga and did some martial arts and Shaolin Kung Fu and found my 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,400 way back to school with neuroscience and biochemistry. 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:55,840 And I used to follow a guy doctor Michael Colgan, you know, 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,480 before I went to Med school and I used to read life extension 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,360 magazine a lot. And so that really got me 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,040 interested in that like, you know, you could live a 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,000 healthier, more optimized life and, you know, and that you 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,680 could live longer. And so he used to follow Doctor 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Colgan for a while, even took his supplements. 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,360 And you know, the Colgan Institute still in existence, 40 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,880 they help like optimize athletes. 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,520 They still do a great job of that. 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,240 And then he was one of the contributors to the American 43 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,440 Academy of Anti Aging Medicine in the very early days. 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Now it's a huge organization and they've, you know, thousands and 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,160 thousands of physicians have become functionally medicine 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,040 trained to do hormones and you know, lots of anti aging stuff 47 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,600 like that. So I went while I was a Med 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,600 student, I started the fellowship for anti aging 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,000 knowing that I couldn't graduate there until I was done with the 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,560 residency and all that. So I kind of already knew what I 51 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,040 wanted to do going into medicine. 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,520 And, you know, and I did that and then I did a fellowship for 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,640 stem cells and I did some for aesthetics and I did a lot of 54 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:14,960 training in peptides. And then what I've been doing 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,560 lately is I speak mostly on what's called medical 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:25,800 maintenance engineering. And what that is, is medicine 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,720 the way that medicine's practiced today. 58 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,120 And you know, it's starting to change a little bit, but 59 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,080 majority of it is you wait till there's a problem and then you 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,720 treat the problem. You don't really make the 61 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,360 problem go away. You treat it. 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,280 And if you look to the way engineers do things, they do it 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,280 a lot differently. Like when you get onto an 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,240 airplane, that airplane has to go through all of these checks 65 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,360 and balances, right? So like, they know like how long 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,920 those engines can run for before they need to be rebuilt. 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 They know what needs to be checked at what intervals, 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,880 right? And that let's have checklists 69 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,360 and they have all these checklists up in the tower. 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,560 The guys on the ground have to do all this kind of stuff. 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,800 So airplanes are really tightly controlled. 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,160 So even if you have an old aircraft, it still has to meet 73 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,400 the same criteria as a new one. And that way people don't die. 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,160 So you would think that like, OK, we have this great 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,040 maintenance engineering so that we know we have these 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,160 algorithms, we know what to check, we know when to check it. 77 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 You know, we know what parameters these things need to 78 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,680 be at so that they're at their optimal functioning capacity, 79 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,720 but it's not applied to humans. And you know, arguably the human 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,640 being is the most complex machine there is. 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,760 And so to not use maintenance engineering protocols and 82 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,200 algorithms with the most complex machine is silly. 83 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:01,040 And the other thing that is done, and NASA is really great 84 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,200 at this. Have you ever heard of like 85 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,200 single points of failure? So a single point of failure 86 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,040 will cause like a billion dollar project for NASA to be thrown 87 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,960 away, right? And so they're always saying, 88 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,880 OK, there's 200 and some single points of failure in this 89 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,920 project. And they list them all and 90 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,680 they're like, what can we do to to minimize those failures? 91 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,080 So those are the same things that happened to humans. 92 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,360 And the number one single point of failure for a human being is 93 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,360 a heart attack. And you know, we have more than 94 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 one heart attack per minute in the United States. 95 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,000 And that's ridiculous, especially because we have 96 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 testing now where, you know, it's a little bit pricey, it's 97 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,520 about 1700 bucks. But it's your life. 98 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,880 And you can be sent and you get this thing called the clearly 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,160 heart exam. And they will see whether or not 100 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,400 your heart has blockages in the coronary arteries and to what 101 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,400 extent. And not only what if, if they're 102 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,240 blocked, what kind of blockages? Like are they calcified? 103 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,760 Are they soft? Are they unstable? 104 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,000 And then if there is some blockage, and then they run 105 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,200 another report which is based on like 30-9 different parameters 106 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,600 of whether or not you have what's called ischemia. 107 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,760 And ischemia is whether or not the blood supply and oxygen is 108 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,480 actually getting to the organ of the heart at the microscopic 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,000 level. So all of this can be done. 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,000 And then the nice thing is if there's a problem there, well, 111 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,600 there's either, you know, heart surgery or stents or, or there's 112 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,560 medications, right? And with good medication care 113 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,400 and good supplement care and changing your diet, you can 114 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,200 actually reverse coronary artery disease. 115 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,600 Doctor Dean Ornish was the first to show that. 116 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:57,840 Put people on a plant based diet and you have them do some medic, 117 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,320 some meditation and some yoga and you measure how much 118 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,240 coronary blockage there is now and then a year later there's 119 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,720 less. So you know, we have all these 120 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 things that can do that. And just like with the heart, we 121 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,680 can do testing to see like if there's cancer that's early in 122 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,680 your body, you know, if there's, if dementia is going to be 123 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,920 creeping up on you, there's different markers to look for 124 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,680 plaques in the brain. It's just getting so well 125 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,800 advanced. We can even measure the quality 126 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,040 of your mitochondria. We can look at omic data to see 127 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,560 like really detailed inflammation in your body. 128 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,720 So it's a totally different level of care to do maintenance 129 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,560 engineering on a person. So I don't even really call it 130 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,920 anti aging because that's kind of old terms that were like 25 131 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,960 years ago. So what we found is that anti 132 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,520 aging was all about can we slow down aging? 133 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,960 And the answer is yes, but not that much. 134 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,600 The real thing is to reverse the process of aging and that's 135 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,600 what's coming in the future. There's some ways that we can do 136 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,920 it now with certain stem cells and peptides and things like 137 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,320 that. And there's certain medications 138 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,120 that can help get rid of like the cells that are synolytic 139 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,880 that cause you to age really fast. 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,080 But the real boost is coming in the near future, and that's 141 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,320 going to be like genetic changes. 142 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,560 You'll be able to get new genes inserted into you. 143 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,160 You'll be able to change the way that RNA functions in your 144 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,600 cells. So we want to be able to live a 145 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,720 little longer so we can live even longer. 146 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,240 So there's this thing called escape velocity that when we 147 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,120 reach it, you won't age anymore. But we're not there yet. 148 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,200 We can extend your lifespan a little bit, maybe 15% somewhere 149 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,600 around there, but we can really increase your health span. 150 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,360 The average person is like last 10 years of their life is not so 151 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,240 great. It's in a decrepit state and we 152 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,960 can probably compress that down to a year. 153 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,400 So following all these protocols and getting your checks and 154 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,480 balances done at the right time, getting your hormones balanced, 155 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,440 getting on the right supplements, the right 156 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,040 medications, you know, getting on a really good diet for 157 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,640 yourself, all these things and the right kind of exercise. 158 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,160 So, and then getting it tested so that you know, whether or not 159 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,120 it's working well for you or not, that buys you time. 160 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,240 And if you can buy yourself five years, in five years we're going 161 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,080 to have better stuff. And in five years after that, 162 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,200 we'll have better stuff than that. 163 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,840 Why do you think our society has placed like just this shift in 164 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,920 approaches such so that it's much more reactionary as opposed 165 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,440 to looking at the single point of failures, failures and kind 166 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,200 of addressing it from more of an engineering approach? 167 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,640 I don't really think it's like a conspiracy or anything like 168 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,880 that, I just think it's money. Yeah. 169 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,920 You know a. Lot more money in sick care than 170 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,320 health care. It's kind of what happens in 171 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,560 corporate, right? Like how are we going to make 172 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:10,000 money next quarter, right? And, you know, the insurance 173 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,840 companies and the pharmaceutical companies pretty much run 174 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,960 everything. So doctors have to. 175 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,760 And nothing against doctors, right? 176 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,320 Like the doctors are trying to get through a day and a doctor's 177 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,400 day is pretty rough. Like they're seeing way too many 178 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,560 patients because there's kind of a doctor shortage for how many 179 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,920 people there are. And so they're seeing too many 180 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,520 people and they're not having enough time to see them. 181 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,160 And then the insurance isn't going to pay for the things that 182 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,520 they really want to do, like this. 183 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,240 Clearly heart exam is not being paid for by insurance, but 184 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,160 they'll pay for tests that are more expensive, that give you 185 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,600 worse data. So there's just a lot of stuff 186 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:02,480 that just needs to be reworked and, you know, not conspiracy, 187 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,680 but like if the insurance company has to pay out a certain 188 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:10,920 amount of money over the whole year, they profit a percentage 189 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,680 of all that. So the more money that they have 190 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:18,320 to pay out, the more money they're making, right? 191 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Because they just raise the premiums and stuff for that. 192 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,080 And then the doctors, they have to like code things properly so 193 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,120 they can get reimbursed. And if they want to sit down 194 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,080 with somebody like, you know, I really need to sit down with 195 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,480 this person for an hour, one, they don't have the time to do 196 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,640 it and then they won't get reimbursed. 197 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,480 And if they try to code for something and the insurance 198 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,240 company says that no, that's not cool and they get audited, they 199 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,520 can actually get fined. So, you know, most of the 200 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,120 physicians are kind of scared to, to, to be, you know, coding 201 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,480 things not normally, right? And sitting down for people more 202 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,240 or, or ordering things that they know probably won't be covered, 203 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:01,160 you know, or ordering too many lab tests And they'll say, why 204 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,360 did you order all this? What is your reasoning and like 205 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,760 it? It's ridiculous that the doctors 206 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,920 would have to justify themselves to an insurance company and not 207 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,760 to another like group of physicians. 208 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,800 What is going to be the turning point then? 209 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,280 If there's this, you know, incentive for from a financial 210 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,480 standpoint to kind of keep things going as they are, what 211 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,960 would be the the catalyst to get the ship to turn the other 212 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,320 direction? Well, I think 1 of it is just 213 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,400 that we have a lot more functionally medicine trained 214 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,120 doctors now. So the Institute for Functional 215 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,680 Medicine, we have the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine, 216 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:41,440 and there's a couple other spin off groups that are smaller. 217 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,280 And so more physicians are moving over to cash pay, getting 218 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,480 away from insurance and they're having more time to spend with 219 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,840 patients so that they can have time to talk about how are you 220 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,960 sleeping? What are your relationships 221 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,160 like? What kind of stress do you have? 222 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,640 What are you eating right? How are you moving? 223 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,240 Normally, a physician has no time to talk about any of that. 224 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,240 And the other thing is they didn't learn any of that in 225 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,400 medical school. They spent no time teaching us 226 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,960 any of that, right? And the curriculum in medical 227 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,640 school, you know, most likely was influenced by the 228 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,680 pharmaceuticals and the insurance companies, you know, 229 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:27,840 rather than real science. Because lifestyle Trump's 230 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,920 everything. You know, if you have a really 231 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,080 great lifestyle and you're not a stressed person, you're probably 232 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,800 not going to have many issues in your life. 233 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Yeah, no, I totally agree. I'm curious when it comes to 234 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,720 increasing lifespan and and health span, you know, always 235 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,800 kind of raises the question like if we were to in theory reach 236 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,120 this escape velocity and people aren't dying at the rate they 237 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,280 are now, but they're continuing to have babies at the rate they 238 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,680 are now. Like what happens on a 239 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:03,480 population basis? Like would we be able to sustain 240 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,720 that? And it's a pretty massive 241 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,800 question, but just curious of your thoughts. 242 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,560 No, it's a, it's a really great question and you know, people 243 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:15,880 get really worried about it. I can, I'll back it up with a 244 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,880 story in the past. So this is not a new question. 245 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,520 It's come up a bunch of times in history. 246 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,880 It came up in the UK. When the UK population hit a 247 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,840 million people, they all freaked out because the forests were all 248 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,280 cut down, the River Thames was totally polluted and they were 249 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,800 all complaining that there was too many people. 250 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,800 And it wasn't that there was too many people. 251 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,560 And so they didn't have the technology necessary to handle 252 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,600 that many people. Right now we have better energy 253 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,400 systems. We don't have to cut down trees, 254 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,840 right? We can take care of the water in 255 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,440 a much better way. And so the same thing goes to 256 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,400 larger populations. You just need better technology 257 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,560 to handle the population. The Earth can handle tons of 258 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,080 people. It's just how we do it. 259 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,600 Like where are we going to get the food from? 260 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,520 How are we going to deal with waste? 261 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,480 How are we going to create our power? 262 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,200 So if we move more to sustainable power systems like 263 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,040 nuclear, you know, you can make all the power you want if they 264 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,960 ever get, if they ever get the answer to fusion, then you have 265 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,240 all the energy you ever need and you have really no waste. 266 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,560 And even regular fission is so clean. 267 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,800 But because of the oil and gas companies, they made nuclear 268 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,320 look so dangerous, which is not it's sexually safer. 269 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,600 And so, you know, they kind of cornered that. 270 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,120 But all of that's going to turn around in the future and we'll 271 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,560 get much cleaner energy, much more energy, you know, with lab 272 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,320 grown meats. Now those are going to take off. 273 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,840 And I think in the future they're going to actually be 274 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,160 better than regular. And then you don't have to like 275 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,800 waste all this land and all this water and all these GMO crops to 276 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,120 feed these animals, right? We'll be, we're already better 277 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,440 at creating vegetables in an aquaponic and hydroponic 278 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,040 environment to increase their nutrition. 279 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,440 So I think that we'll be able to sustain tons and tons of people 280 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,160 and they won't be overcrowding. You know, though the housing 281 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,040 will be better, everything will be better. 282 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,480 The big issue is that we're actually going through a 283 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,720 population collapse and population collapse would be 284 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,200 terrible for the world. Most of the industrialized 285 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:45,080 countries don't have more than 2.1 children for each couple, 286 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,880 and it's way below that in many. And that population collapse is 287 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 really the real issue in the future. 288 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Yeah, I've read about that. I've had a few people on the 289 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,280 podcast talking about the decline in population. 290 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,960 I think there's only two countries or something like that 291 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,000 right now with the populations actually growing. 292 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Yeah. You know, it's, it's a it's a 293 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,000 real concern, right. And then, you know, we want to 294 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,800 make and then of the of the populations that are growing, 295 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:18,040 not those countries, but like the educated people are not 296 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,359 populating. It's mostly coming from the 297 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,240 uneducated. So that's an issue too, right, 298 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,680 Especially with the state of education in the country. 299 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:35,320 And hopefully, you know, some of these bureaucracies will get 300 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,920 fixed. When you have a collapse in 301 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,840 education and you don't educate the population, you have real 302 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,960 big problems. Every single superpowers run 303 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,160 into this. Keeping everyone educated is 304 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,040 what keeps the playing field level and keeps these major 305 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:01,320 casts from being formed. But we're headed towards like, 306 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,160 real poor and real rich. What do you think the like when 307 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,000 you when you look forward into the future? 308 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,640 Like at what? Any idea as to what time period 309 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,440 would be like this dramatic shift? 310 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,880 Is there going to be like a just a gradual shift overtime or is 311 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,000 there going to be like this cataclysmic event that just 312 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,360 forces change? And as far as medicine? 313 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,840 Yeah, medicine, population, you know, productivity, food, 314 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,680 education that we can, we can go all different kind of facets 315 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,240 with this. I don't know. 316 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,360 I mean, I think that in this century we are going to see 317 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,160 unbelievable change. I think AI is going to drive a 318 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,080 lot of it. But I also just think that we're 319 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:51,480 on the brink of changing so many different place, like the 320 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,400 scientific venues, right? So when it comes to genetic 321 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,640 engineering, we're, we're getting so much more information 322 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,440 and we're learning so much everyday. 323 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,000 There's a whole bunch of new genetic companies. 324 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,120 I started a company called the Institute for Medical 325 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:14,720 Maintenance Engineering. And I've got a bunch of really 326 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,440 rock star individuals on the Advisory Board. 327 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,400 Liz Parrish is one of them and she's really leading the charge 328 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,080 with her company called Bio Viva. 329 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,760 She's already injected herself with four different genes and 330 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,080 you know, she's lengthened her telomeres, she's increased her 331 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,720 muscle mass without working out. You know, I mean, like, it's 332 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,560 really amazing what this genetic therapy will be able to do. 333 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:43,760 And it's already available. It's just really expensive and 334 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,000 it's just going to get cleaned up. 335 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,520 So I would say in the next 5 years, there's going to be 336 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,520 really awesome genetic therapy. In 20 years, it's going to be 337 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,040 pretty much mainstream. So there. 338 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,400 And then there's other companies that are working on like micro 339 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:07,600 RNA and interference RNA. So, so all of that's going to 340 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,480 create all these major changes to biological systems without 341 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,600 having to take supplements or pharmaceuticals or things like 342 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,360 that. So I think in the really near 343 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:20,760 future, we're going to have some really big changes, which is why 344 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,440 I'm always on people that, you know, the people like in their 345 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,360 sixties, 70s and 80s, I really pushed them to do like the 346 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:32,880 highest package that we have. You know, where you're doing all 347 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,960 the age reversal and all the technology that we have to try 348 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,880 to slow your aging down, reverse types of aging, get rid of scent 349 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,480 analytic cells, optimize your tissue. 350 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Because every year that you can buy yourself, you're buying 351 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,280 yourself into the future where all these new things are going 352 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,400 to be. And then those will buy you some 353 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,480 time. And so maybe they can ride that 354 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,680 out for quite a while. What? 355 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,760 What did your personal fascination for this come from? 356 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,800 Is there any like something happened in your youth or what? 357 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,560 What was your personal reason for wanting to pursue this field 358 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 to begin with? That's a good question. 359 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,600 I don't know. It's just I've always wanted to 360 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,160 do something useful. So like when my dad was alive, 361 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:29,600 you know, he's always just like, find something to do that you 362 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,560 have the gift for. Find something that you do that 363 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,800 you have passion for. And if you, if you can do both 364 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,760 of those things together, you don't really work right. 365 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:51,120 And you'll be really good at it. You won't really work and you'll 366 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:54,080 get you'll get a lot of joy out of it. 367 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,640 And so I was always pretty science minded as a kid and I 368 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,560 was always a tinkerer. So I like that. 369 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,120 I didn't really know exactly what I wanted. 370 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:09,000 But you know, after I got exposed to yoga and Kung Fu, 371 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,280 what I noticed was that people drastically changed their lives 372 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,720 for the better whenever they came in. 373 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Like they got healthier, their mindset was better, right? 374 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,640 And so just doing those things was, you know, really life 375 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,040 changing for people. And then, you know, I'm like, 376 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,440 OK, this is great. There's a lot of yoga teachers. 377 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,320 There's a lot of martial artists. 378 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,880 You know, I want to be able to do something more. 379 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,200 I want to be able to do something medically. 380 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,720 I want to keep using these techniques. 381 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,600 But what else can I do? And then, you know, I was a 382 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,280 little, I really didn't want to go into medicine in the 383 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,640 beginning because I just felt that medical doctors were just 384 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,240 not really making good decisions, like engineers, you 385 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,240 know, and, you know, they just had to follow a certain 386 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,800 protocol. And it's just not what I wanted 387 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,720 to do. But then when I learned that, 388 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,080 like, you know, I didn't have to take insurance and that I could 389 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,600 just hang my own shingle and do things my own way and, you know, 390 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,360 then I was like, oh, well, all right, there's my calling right 391 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:17,760 now. I can blend all this stuff 392 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,760 together and, you know, gather data and show people that this 393 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,720 really does work. And that's what we do here, 394 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,640 right? And you know, when people come 395 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,160 in, we do this thing called the discovery process, which they do 396 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,120 in maintenance engineering. And they see where they're at, 397 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,120 right? They see how they're sleeping. 398 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,680 You know, they see the effect of their diet, they see their lab 399 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,360 scores, they see their inflammation, they see where 400 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,680 their hormones are, right? And then we get regular data 401 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,520 from them, like, you know, how strong are you And you know, 402 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720 what's your fitness? Like what's you know, and get 403 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,680 all these parameters. And then a year later, we sit 404 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,960 down and we look at all these parameters, including like the 405 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,400 length of the telomeres and like all these biological clocks. 406 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,080 And they see their biological clocks go down, that they're 407 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720 aging at a slower rate. They see their inflammation's 408 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,360 down, They see their hormones are better. 409 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,720 They look at their body composition, it's improved, 410 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,440 their sleep's improved. And so that really gives me 411 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,600 great fulfilling, you know, kind of life that I'm able to help 412 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,400 these people. There is one caveat though, and 413 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,640 that's that I call it a radical willingness. 414 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,240 If people don't have radical willingness, which we interview 415 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,360 everyone for now before they join the clinic. 416 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,480 And we call it an institute because it's a place of 417 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,120 learning. So they're constantly have to 418 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,120 learn more and more and we give them little modules to learn. 419 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,800 But if they don't have the radical willingness to like, 420 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,440 want to learn and want to change their lifestyle and take 421 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240 supplements and do all these types of things, it's really not 422 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,760 for them. I used to let everyone join, but 423 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,160 now I don't. Now I just have this interview 424 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,680 and I tell them what's involved. And I'm like, does this sound 425 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,360 like something that's interesting to you that you 426 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,080 would want to devote your time to? 427 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,640 And, and most people say yes, but before I had this interview, 428 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,720 I would get people that would be overwhelmed and they wouldn't 429 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,480 want to do things and then the, the program wouldn't work as 430 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,960 well. So I think the interview is 431 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,880 really a great place to start. And, and I think it's for 432 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,480 everybody like that wants to change their life, that they 433 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,920 need to have radical willingness to do it because if you don't, 434 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,680 you're not going to overcome all your behavior because behavior 435 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,080 is really hard to change unless you really want to do it. 436 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,080 No, I totally agree with that. What, what do you think? 437 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Like in working with people over the years, what do you find to 438 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,880 be the most limiting behavior that's just a common denominator 439 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,120 across the people that you've that you've seen over the time? 440 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:01,600 The number one behavioral trait that really gets people is 441 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,240 anxiety. Yeah. 442 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,320 It's crippling, and some of the anxiety is passed down through 443 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,640 generations. It's epigenetically modified. 444 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,920 There's a really interesting epigenetic experiment, and it 445 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,720 just opened my eyes up to anxiety and fear. 446 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,080 They take a female mouse and they put her in a maze and the 447 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 floors got the capacity to shock her. 448 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,440 And so she's just running around this maze and they put it in a 449 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,960 tiny little red fire hydrant. When she sees a little red fire 450 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,760 hydrant, they give her a shock. And they do this just a couple 451 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,200 of times, and then they stop shocking her. 452 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680 But every time she sees a red fire hydrant, she jumps. 453 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,000 And then they take the red fire hydrant out and they don't put 454 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 it back in again. And she has children, and then 455 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,480 those children have children, and it goes down to the 7th 456 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,040 generation. And for those seven generations, 457 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,760 they haven't seen the red fire hydrant. 458 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,400 Only the first female saw the red fire hydrant. 459 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,200 The 7th generation mouse walking around the maze. 460 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,320 They put the little red fire hydrant back in and it jumps. 461 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Wow, that's crazy. Right. 462 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,400 So, you know, I think that's one thing I try to teach the 463 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,520 patients is that, you know, a lot of your anxiety and fears, 464 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,720 they're probably not even yours. And, you know, I think that 465 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,760 gives people a little bit more strength that like I can 466 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,600 overcome this and to get to get to challenge their thoughts. 467 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,200 I said a lot of people, the doctor Joe Dispenza to go to his 468 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,840 retreats because I think he's really great at helping people 469 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,200 reprogram the way that they talk about themselves to themselves, 470 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,240 right? The meditations are great, but 471 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,560 really changing yourself talk is massive and I don't think people 472 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,360 really understand like how often they're speaking I'll of 473 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:10,520 themselves or of the closest people next to them and how much 474 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,640 that affects their health. If you can change yourself talk, 475 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,960 I think that that's really the most important thing you can do 476 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,360 to really start changing behavior. 477 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,640 The other thing that we do is I like to use Doctor Jordan 478 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,680 Peterson's tools that he has online. 479 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:34,240 So he has two fantastic tools. One of them is called 480 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,040 understandmyself.com and the other one is selfauthoring.com. 481 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,320 And I have people start with Understand myself because it 482 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,760 gives them the big 5 of their personality with a really 483 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,960 detailed explanation. And So what I tell people is 484 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,840 that once you do that, you understand how you're filtering 485 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,320 reality. You know, because your 486 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920 personality is going to filter the truth of what you're 487 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,520 experiencing. And once you know how that 488 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,480 filter works, then you have a better idea of what the truth 489 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,760 really is. As long as you constantly kind 490 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,240 of, you know, be be diligent and you know, make sure that you're 491 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,160 taking a look at reality the way it is. 492 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,800 And then self authoring is a really fantastic package. 493 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,520 The patients that have done it and what what they usually come 494 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,560 back to me with is that that was better than two years of therapy 495 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,800 because they had to process all the stuff in their past. 496 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,120 They had to process all the things in the present and then 497 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,960 they had to create what they wanted out of the future. 498 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,120 Like what is my purpose? What am I going to be doing? 499 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,440 How do I want to maximize the amount of time I have left in my 500 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,040 life? And that changes everything 501 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,840 because now they have all this purpose and they have a plan. 502 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,360 It just makes all the other behavior changes so much easier. 503 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,400 Yeah, no, I totally agree there. I think a lot of people go 504 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080 through life, they drift through life with no sense of purpose or 505 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,160 plan. And so much time is wasting, so 506 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600 much opportunity, so much sense of fulfillment is just gone. 507 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Oh yeah, I mean, like, how can you, how can you get out of bed 508 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,040 if you don't know why you're getting out of bed? 509 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,880 Yeah, exactly. You think you're going to live 510 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:26,080 forever? I don't know, I'd say the odds 511 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,840 are against it, but there's a possibility, right? 512 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:36,000 And so I, I would love to live and because I think that, I 513 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,200 mean, you could live for millions of years and you'd 514 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,840 still wouldn't get to do everything, you know, I mean, 515 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,480 there's, there's just so much knowledge available. 516 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,800 There's even just on this planet, you know, like people 517 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,400 will say like, oh, I've been to that country. 518 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,400 Like, what percentage of that country? 519 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480 Like, you know what I mean? Like laid out on the map, like 520 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,880 how many streets you walked, right? 521 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Or like where you went in that place. 522 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,640 It's just a tiny fraction of these places to visit, right? 523 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,800 And to do things and all the hobbies and all the things to 524 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,040 learn. So like, it's endless. 525 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,600 And then, you know, we'll be exploring other worlds than 526 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,920 this. So yeah, there's so much to 527 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,400 live. For the people that can afford 528 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,840 it. I highly suggest doing cryonics. 529 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,000 Cryonics has been around for over 50 years and over the last 530 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,080 five years it's really gotten good. 531 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,760 How what cryonics is, is basically preserving yourself in 532 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:39,040 a frozen state after you die. And this whole idea that you're 533 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,080 dead after 5 minutes is so silly. 534 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,760 Think about like organs. You know, if somebody donated a 535 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,040 kidney in China and it's sent, you know, over to the US to be 536 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,520 placed into somebody, that kidney when it was taken out is 537 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880 technically dead, right? Because there's no blood supply 538 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,880 to it and there's no oxygen supply to it. 539 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,880 And it's just put in this standard Styrofoam container, 540 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,200 you know, with, with, you know, and kept cold but not frozen. 541 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,960 And then it's shipped here. And then you plug it into the 542 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,400 new person in surgery and voila, the kidney starts right back up. 543 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,840 So those cells weren't dead. So when they say that you're 544 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,840 dead, you're really not right. Those cells go into a dormant 545 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,280 type of stasis. There were some medical students 546 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,240 that went to this pig farm and where they slaughtered the pigs 547 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,640 and the pigs heads were in the corner and they're like, when 548 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,600 were these pigs slaughtered? And they told them the time they 549 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,120 took the pigs heads back to the lab and they hooked the heads 550 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,280 back up to a heart lung machine to re establish the oxygen and 551 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,520 blood supply and they put electrodes on the brain and they 552 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,040 got a normal brain signature after these pigs have been dead 553 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,280 for hours. So dead's not really dead. 554 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,280 And so you have plenty of time to be frozen and the new types 555 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,880 of freezing, they drain your blood out, they replace it with 556 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000 like a biological antifreeze, kind of similar to like how 557 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840 frogs have biological antifreeze that's naturally in their in 558 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,440 their body and how they can freeze frozen for the whole 559 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680 winter and then they just thaw out in the spring and jump 560 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,320 around. So we're using a little bit 561 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,880 different chemicals in these companies. 562 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,720 Probably one of the most famous ones is Alcor down in Arizona. 563 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,040 But there's one there's like there's one up in California, 564 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,440 there's another in Detroit. There's a bunch, there's one in 565 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,920 Russia, there's one in China. So they're popping up all over 566 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,600 the place now. And you can even get a life 567 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,000 insurance policy and then sign over the life insurance policy 568 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,200 to the company so that the cost of it is covered by your life 569 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,920 insurance because your life insurance policy now doesn't do 570 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,960 anything to protect your life. That money just goes to somebody 571 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,000 else after you die. But now you can use a life 572 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,080 insurance policy to actually preserve your life by, you know, 573 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,480 paying for you to be frozen. And then, you know, we don't 574 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,520 have the ability to bring you back out now. 575 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,760 But as long as those tissues have been preserved without 576 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,920 fractures, you know, from crystal formation, the people in 577 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,440 the future should be able to bring us back. 578 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,639 And what what do you think? Is there any estimated time as 579 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:44,199 to when that would be feasible? So I would say almost all of the 580 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,760 research has been going into how to freeze people. 581 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,120 Only recently in the last couple years have they really been 582 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,120 starting to turn to how are we going to thaw these people out? 583 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,880 Because I think we're, we've almost got it down to where 584 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,480 there's not going to be that much better of a freezing 585 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,840 technique in the future. I'm sure they were going to 586 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,680 improve it, but they don't really need to because they've 587 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,720 got it down to the point where there's not a lot of cellular 588 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,640 damage and there's not a lot of damage to DNA, especially the 589 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,000 membranes. So now it's going to be how do 590 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,680 we thaw these people out? But more than that, what they 591 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,080 have to figure out is you can't thaw somebody out until you can 592 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,640 figure out how to fix what killed them. 593 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,560 Otherwise you're just going to bring them back to die again. 594 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:37,880 So that's where the future technology is going to be really 595 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,440 focused on, you know, how do we fix these different problems? 596 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,280 And it'll be at all these different levels. 597 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,160 Some of those things will be, you know, solved in the next few 598 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,440 years. Some of those things might take 599 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640 100 years, just depending on the level of complexity. 600 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,200 You know, say somebody died from a metastatic, you know, stage 4 601 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,040 cancer that got all over their body. 602 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,360 That's going to be a really difficult thing to bring 603 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,960 somebody back from, right? But you know, it's just a 604 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,800 problem. So that should be able to be 605 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,440 solved somewhere in the future. Have there been any willing 606 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,680 volunteers that are totally healthy that are down to freeze 607 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,560 themselves in a healthy state and then let enough? 608 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,960 I'm sure there are people, but they don't allow it. 609 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,680 So it's just part of the policies of these companies. 610 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,680 You know, what would be great is if they could freeze you, you 611 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,120 know, when when you're on your deathbed, right before you 612 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,120 actually die, Like if they were to give you like, you know, 613 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,120 euthanasia, which is, you know, outlawed in most of the states. 614 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,240 But you know, you got someone who's really suffering and they 615 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,920 have no quality of life left. Like I'm all for that, 616 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,680 Especially like if you give them that promise of being frozen, 617 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,720 you know, and some people say it's an empty promise, but like 618 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,160 if you're buried or cremated, you have a zero percent chance 619 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,280 of coming back. If you're frozen and you have a 620 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,720 chance of coming back, we don't know what the percentage is, but 621 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,920 it's actually on the table. Like you can come back. 622 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,680 Like, you know, it's theoretically possible. 623 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,000 So I think it's great. Especially like, you know, you 624 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,200 got these kids that have a terrible cancer and you know, 625 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,840 they're not going to live till their 8th birthday or something 626 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,400 like that. Well, why not freeze them, 627 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,360 right? Because one, it makes them feel 628 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,120 a little bit better. It makes the parents feel 629 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,960 better. Because, I mean, it would make 630 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,240 me feel better if I had a child that was frozen versus a child 631 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,240 that was buried in the ground. Well, now I have hope. 632 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,240 The other one, all I can do is have faith. 633 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,560 I'd rather have hope. Yeah. 634 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,640 Do you think with regards to the, the the services of 635 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880 freezing what, what, what is the cost of that now I guess I'm 636 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160 assuming pretty cost prohibitive for the the masses? 637 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,080 It is and that's why that life insurance policy makes sense, 638 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,800 right? Because the masses all have an 639 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,600 opportunity to get a life insurance policy right? 640 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,320 And then you just sign that over cash pricing. 641 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,200 I think you know, they're all different. 642 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,120 The most expensive 1 is about 250,000 for your full body. 643 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:29,120 They will also just do your head for like 80 grand thinking that 644 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,920 you know they'll give you a new body when you come back. 645 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,040 Some of the other companies are a lot cheaper cheaper. 646 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,360 It just depends on where you're looking. 647 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,760 Because I'm assuming if they were to figure out how to bring 648 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,760 you back, like you're pretty much brought back in the 649 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,080 physical state that you were in when you got frozen to begin 650 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,600 with. So if you were the. 651 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,920 Technology. Yeah, like if you're doing it at 652 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,920 the on your deathbed and you're elderly, then you may be 653 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,960 resuscitated at some point in the future when they've got the 654 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,680 technology to do so, but you're still in your old version body. 655 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,080 Yeah, and that's where regenerative medicine comes into 656 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:09,080 into play and age reversal. So the advancements in stem 657 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,520 cells, the advancements in genetics and in, you know, micro 658 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:22,920 RNA and the other interfering molecules, I think that's where 659 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,400 the big changes are going to be made so that like you'll 660 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,360 basically grow a new body. Benjamin Button for real. 661 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,120 Benjamin Button for real? Yeah. 662 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,920 Do you fear death? I don't fear death, but I don't 663 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,840 want it. I just think that, you know, 664 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,840 we're the 1st generation that ever had the chance to even 665 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,120 really dream about it, you know, with any kind of like scientific 666 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,520 backing. But the state of health in the 667 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,040 world is horrible. And even the people that are 668 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,160 trying to be healthy, they are so full of toxins, it's not even 669 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,160 funny. One of the one of the tests that 670 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,440 we do here every year on people is we do a really detailed test 671 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,800 that includes like heavy metals and pesticides and herbicides 672 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,280 and volatile compounds like from all the emissions that are 673 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,920 thrown into the air. Different types of plastics and 674 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,280 you would be surprised to see how toxic people really are. 675 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,480 And so that's something that you know, your lifestyle is not 676 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,440 going to change all that much unless you like, you change 677 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,240 where you're eating and what water you're drinking and are 678 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,160 you filtering your air? But what if you live in a crazy 679 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,680 urban area and you're walking around? 680 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,200 You're going to get exposed, right? 681 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:49,440 So we do a lot of detox and the detoxes work really well and 682 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,720 they're tailored to the toxins that are inside someone. 683 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,240 One of the things people can do really to help minimize their 684 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:03,920 toxins is sauna. The infrared saunas tend to work 685 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,960 a little bit better for detox than regular sauna. 686 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,480 And it really, I mean, they both work really well. 687 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,600 Don't get me wrong. When you're doing infrared, what 688 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,360 happens is your core body temperature goes up faster than 689 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,080 in a hot sauna because the infrared's kind of cooking you 690 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,760 from the inside. Think about like you ever been 691 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,040 somewhere where it's like, I don't know, 3540° but it's 692 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,560 really bright and sunny out up in the mountains and you walk 693 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,920 outside with a T-shirt and you're like, oh, I feel warm. 694 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,320 And it's the infrared heat from the sun that's going through 695 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,960 your skin and it's heating you up from the inside, right when 696 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,800 you're in a hot room, just the, the hot air touching your skin 697 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,760 and you breathing it is what's warming you. 698 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,440 So it takes a little longer for your core body temperature to go 699 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,360 up. So if you were to do like a 20 700 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,120 to 30 minute sauna, your core body temperature would be at a 701 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,360 higher temperature in the infrared than it would be in the 702 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,000 hot sauna. And then if you stayed in there 703 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,560 for longer than 30 minutes, then your core body temperature goes 704 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,680 up higher in the hot sauna because it's like like 200° 705 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,760 versus the other. But if you want someone to do 706 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,240 sauna on a regular basis and you need to do it about 3 * a week 707 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,680 for about 20 to 30 minutes for it to really have a change in 708 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,120 your toxin profile and for it to increase heat shock proteins, 709 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,240 which help the folding of proteins. 710 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,960 So it's just easier to do infrared, plus it's easier for 711 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,240 someone to acquire an infrared for their home. 712 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,880 Right. I found that like the people 713 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,520 that don't have it in their home, it's just not convenient 714 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,400 enough. Yeah, no, I completely agree. 715 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:52,720 I'm in the market for one right now. 716 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,920 I got to get one. I I really like high tech health 717 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,960 company. I did. 718 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,080 They're out of Boulder. I've done a lot of research on 719 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,040 all the infrared saunas. Look at their technology. 720 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,240 They have really the best emitters that are out there 721 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,800 because they don't have near infrared which can be damaging 722 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:20,240 to the body and they have really low EMF which we don't want a 723 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:24,520 lot of that either. And their wood that they use has 724 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,960 no off gassing. So they only use Poplar or 725 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,360 hemlock and no glues, no plywood, no nothing like that 726 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960 because those all off gas toxins. 727 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,240 What about nutritionally speaking? 728 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,800 Like, what would you like? Know what you know? 729 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,160 How do you structure your own personal dietary choices? 730 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:50,720 Yeah, I'm a little extreme for myself, but I I did it mostly 731 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,720 when I was first getting into yoga. 732 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,600 I had a yoga teacher, Shannon, Shannon Gannon out of New York, 733 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,480 Jiva Mukta Yoga, and she proposed a question. 734 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:09,480 She just said to me, every time you do something, just ask 735 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,960 yourself, do I agree with this? Whether it's words coming out of 736 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,080 your mouth, whether it's food going in your mouth, whether 737 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,120 it's an action you take or a car you drive or whatever it is, 738 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,160 right? And I was out with friends and 739 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,920 we were just going to get a steak burrito like we've done. 740 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,360 I, I don't know how many nights in a row at late night. 741 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,520 And I'm sitting there, I'm like, OK, I'm looking at this burrito 742 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,000 and like, do I agree with it? And I was just like, hell no. 743 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,000 And I'm like, I know that these animals were probably not cared 744 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,880 for very well because, you know, came from like a cheap place, 745 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,080 right? So I'm sure that they were fed 746 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,560 GMO grain. I'm sure that the water wasn't 747 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,080 really well regulated. I'm sure there was pesticides 748 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,400 and herbicides and growth hormones involved. 749 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,520 I'm sure there were soil erosion. 750 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,160 I'm sure that the animals weren't kept in a very ethical 751 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,600 way or killed in a very ethical way, right? 752 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,400 So I'm like, OK, so environmentally is a disaster, 753 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,280 ethically is a disaster. And I know that this is not very 754 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,920 healthy for me, right? And so I was like, well, what's 755 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,640 the benefit? And I'm like, well, I like the 756 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,920 taste. And so I had a kind of a 757 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,760 revelation there and I was just like, OK, how can I change? 758 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800 You know what, I'm going to eat so that I don't have these 759 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,920 issues, right? And So what I, I decided that I 760 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,760 was just going to go plant paste there. 761 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,200 And I've been plant based ever since. 762 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,320 That said, I think that to do a plant based diet, you have to 763 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,040 really be knowledgeable about how you're getting your 764 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,400 nutrition. I've seen so many people fail a 765 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,600 plant based diet because they didn't really know what to eat. 766 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,520 And the other thing is people usually like to eat based on how 767 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,760 full they get. And when you switch over to 768 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,320 plant based, you have to eat a much larger volume of food to 769 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,160 get the same macro nutrients. You're going to get way more 770 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,800 micronutrients, but your macro nutrients you're going to need 771 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,840 to eat more volume. I find that this is a little bit 772 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,440 more sensitive to females than males. 773 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,880 They're a little bit more sensitive to how much food 774 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,280 they're actually putting in their stomach. 775 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,120 And when they feel full, they don't want to eat anymore. 776 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,640 And like, you know, if you're used to eating like chicken or 777 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,840 beef or something like that, you're just it's, it's macro 778 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,720 nutrient dense. And if you're eating plants and 779 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:42,240 you're not getting a lot of beans and, and you know, other 780 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,200 forms or soy and things like that, you're going to be protein 781 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,600 deficient. So it can be done really well. 782 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,160 One of the other reasons I really like plant based is in 783 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,680 age reversal medicine. What we found is it's not, 784 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,720 there's a lot of factors. So one of the things that we're 785 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,360 trying to do is we want to lower what's called mtor. 786 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160 And it's the molecular target of rapamycin. 787 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:10,800 And if you're, if you're a strength athlete or a 788 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,520 bodybuilder, you want to kind of turn mtor up. 789 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,400 And the analogy is kind of like a a candle. 790 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,640 So if I light the candle at both ends, it's going to burn really 791 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,280 bright, but it's not going to burn for very long, right? 792 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,920 And so there's a lot of ways that we can Jack up our 793 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,040 metabolism, but we pay the price long term. 794 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,800 So the one study that shows that you can extend life from a 795 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,800 single celled Organism through worms, insects, reptiles, 796 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,840 mammals all the way through that's never failed is calorie 797 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,120 restriction. When you restrict calories 798 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:54,560 around 15 to 20%, you can really increase lifespan and increase 799 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,800 health span and decrease single points of failure. 800 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,400 And, you know, we have a really long term study like over 40 801 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,880 years, University of Wisconsin and macaque monkeys and they 802 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,440 have less dementia, less Gray hair, less osteoporosis, less, 803 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,160 you know, pains and aches. I mean, like they're, it works, 804 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200 but it's really difficult to do calorie restriction, right? 805 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,160 Like you have to like count all your calories to the, you know, 806 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,440 and be really accurate about it. And then you end up being a 807 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,280 little bit gaunt, right? You don't have like a really 808 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,320 great frame to you. So there's some issues with 809 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,120 calorie restriction, but there's a lot of things that we've 810 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,000 learned from it, from all of the data. 811 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,520 And one of the things that we've learned is that it depends on 812 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,440 the kind of calories as well. So if you get a lot of calories 813 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,960 from amino acids like methionine and leucine, those turn up the 814 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,200 metabolic rate a little bit too high. 815 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,000 And sulfur amino acids like methionine, they change your pH 816 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,800 and they make it harder for your body to maintain an alkaline pH 817 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,040 and so that causes more calcification to arteries and 818 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,880 dystrophic calcifications in the brain and things like that. 819 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,080 So when you go plant based, you decrease your methionine and you 820 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,760 decrease your leucine almost automatically without really 821 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,280 trying that hard. So that's another benefit of it. 822 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,640 But again, you know, if you don't, if you don't really know 823 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,400 how to balance it, you could be thrown off. 824 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,680 But it has really great benefit. And the other benefit, like I 825 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,640 talked about earlier was Doctor Dean Ornish, you know, of 826 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,280 they've tried all kinds of diets on coronary artery, you know, 827 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,040 blockages. And the only one that worked was 828 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,160 a plant based diet. That's the only one that 829 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,920 reversed the disease. So that's I, I really like plant 830 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,880 based for that reason, but you have to really educate people 831 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,680 and it also takes a little bit of time for them to get used to 832 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,360 it because you have to change your microbiome. 833 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,760 And. When you start changing your 834 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,280 diet, the microbiome that's present is going to fight 835 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,240 against that diet, right? And you're not going to feel 836 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,160 very well, but once it changes, then you're going to feel really 837 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,120 great. Yeah, I know it's super 838 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,320 interesting. I definitely agree with you in 839 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,960 that a lot of people that have gone the plant based route or 840 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,840 missing some key components, they're not getting the complete 841 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,280 spectrum nutrients they need. Often times they become they 842 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,320 lose a lot of lean tissue. You know, I'm doing pretty much 843 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,840 the exact opposite of you. I'm pretty much all animal 844 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,960 based. I'm doing, you know, keto have 845 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,320 now for 10 years. But I agree with you and the 846 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,840 desire to do something that's right for the environment, right 847 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,040 from an animal welfare standpoint. 848 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,480 I hunt a lot. So I'm getting high quality 849 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,480 animals that are fed the most natural diet possible And it's 850 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,880 not, you know, negatively impacting, you know, through 851 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,600 like mono cropped agriculture and things of that nature. 852 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,800 So I totally agree with you in wanting to pursue that way of, 853 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,000 you know, sustainable. I mean I have data in the clinic 854 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,560 too that the people that eat wild animals, their profiles are 855 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,960 totally different than farm raised. 856 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,280 Yeah, I believe it for the better, I'm assuming. 857 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,920 It is night and day, yeah. So if you're going to eat meat, 858 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,600 the best meat to eat is wild. Yeah, no, I totally, completely 859 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,800 agree there. And I also, I tried to 860 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,240 incorporate, you know, strategic periods of time in a caloric 861 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,200 deficit. Like when I'm doing a 862 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,560 competition prep for bodybuilding, I'm obviously 863 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,600 putting myself in a deficit, you know, losing a ton of body fat. 864 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,240 I can't sustain that indefinitely. 865 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,440 So I'll kind of have a yin Yang approach with periods of time in 866 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,640 a deficit, periods of time at a surplus from a metabolic and 867 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,920 hormonal standpoint. But I feel like a lot of people 868 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,600 spend far too much time in one or the other, and that leads to 869 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,480 a lot of poor health outcomes. Oh yeah, And you know, I have, I 870 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,320 have a pro bodybuilder. I have a bunch of other 871 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,440 bodybuilders in the clinic. I try to keep them as healthy as 872 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,760 I can. And, you know, we've had a lot 873 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,440 of discussions about, you know, 'cause they go over their labs 874 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,320 and they can see the difference in the different cycles of where 875 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,840 they're at, right? And they can see the stress that 876 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,080 bodybuilding puts on their body, especially like, you know, 877 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,800 inflammatory and in, in the biological clock spectrum, 878 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,440 right? But I try to just make a deal 879 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,920 with them. I'm like, compete for a certain 880 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,040 amount of time and then start competing less as you get older 881 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,680 because, you know, the older you get, the faster you get old. 882 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,160 And we know, like from a recent study, that there's two major 883 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,320 events in your life that make you age really fast. 884 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,840 Once 1 is in your early 40s and one is one, right? 885 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,160 You get to about 60 and you just go through this massive change 886 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,920 where you age really quickly with the bodybuilders. 887 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,720 I just the fluctuation up and down is a high stress on their 888 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:14,080 body and the very high protein ends up over stimulating the 889 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,960 metabolic cycle. And it's like like doctor 890 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,480 Michael Koge has talked about this a lot. 891 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,760 You only have so many enzyme cycles in a lifetime. 892 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,520 Like you can only make so many enzymes, right? 893 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,320 Like there's kind of a limit to that and it's not fully true. 894 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,800 But like you, your metabolism is what makes you age, but your 895 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,920 metabolism is what makes you stay alive, right? 896 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,720 So we can't stop metabolism, but we can slow it down, right? 897 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,200 And, and it's not the answer to aging because the answer to 898 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,720 aging is in reversing it and causing you to repair all the 899 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:53,800 damage, right? So it's, we want to do a little 900 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,160 bit of both. So we're trying to use some of 901 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,720 the things that help us repair right now and some of the things 902 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:02,560 that help us slow down South. If you can maintain your muscle 903 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,880 mass with the least amount of protein that you can find, do 904 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,840 that, right? Because if you're just taking a 905 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,120 whole bunch of extra protein, but you're not really noticing 906 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,280 gains, then it's just going to go to waste and it's going to 907 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,760 cause damage, right? And it's going to end up over 908 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,720 stimulating mtor and all these other types of things. 909 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,480 So I just try to get them to dial it in. 910 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:30,120 Now their sport in general, you need higher protein. 911 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,840 You just do right? Or you're not going to be able 912 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,880 to like repair from your workouts and you're not going to 913 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,960 be able to keep lean tissue on and things like that. 914 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,560 But we can also measure to see like when are you getting too 915 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,880 much? And some of those things you can 916 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,240 see like in kidney tests, you can see like blood area nitrogen 917 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,240 and you can see like how well are you balancing nitrogen, 918 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,760 right? Because you just don't want too 919 00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:00,640 much that you can't use. I'm a big proponent of amino 920 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,560 acids. I like that a little bit better 921 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,520 because you're a little bit more targeted. 922 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160 And the other thing that you can do is it's a really old 923 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,920 supplement. It's called ornithine alpha 924 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,360 ketoglutarate. One of the anti aging 925 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,400 supplements is calcium alpha ketoglutarate. 926 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,640 It's expensive and I don't, I don't use it because if you use 927 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,520 OK G, which is cheap and you can use it in really high amounts, 928 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,760 you'll get enough alpha ketoglutarate to help you with 929 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,640 anti aging. And the really cool thing about 930 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,960 ornithine alpha ketoglutarate, it was created by French doctors 931 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,720 for burn patients. When you're a burn patient, 932 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,640 you're releasing way too much nitrogen into the system and it 933 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,440 messes around with your kidney and your liver. 934 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,640 And So what OK G does is it helps you recycle all that 935 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,240 nitrogen. And so I find it for the 936 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:57,040 bodybuilders and just anybody working out in general, taking 937 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,320 it right after your workout and then fasted before you go to 938 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,480 bed, you'll notice like you repair faster, you feel better 939 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,000 and your labs get better. Now one thing I do think the 940 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,280 bodybuilders have got going in their favors that they have more 941 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,880 lean tissue and why that is more metabolically demanding. 942 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,040 Just anecdotally speaking to people that I have encountered 943 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,080 in life that have seemingly more muscle as they age tend to live 944 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,680 a much higher quality of life. Oh yeah, 100% right. 945 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,480 Part of the protocols here are strength protocols. 946 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,360 I try to get even my bodybuilders to do more strength 947 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:42,360 than pure hypertrophy training. And the reason being strength 948 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,200 training, you're going to do lower reps, higher weight. 949 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,480 As long as you have a really good form and you know how to 950 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,200 brace your core, you're not going to get hurt. 951 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,280 Whereas, you know, traditional hypertrophy training, you're 952 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:00,000 going to do more sets and more reps and that tends to have a 953 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,480 little bit more metabolic demand and more cellular damage. 954 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,360 So if they can get the same hypertrophy out of strength 955 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,640 training, I highly suggest that. Not that you're not going to do 956 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,240 some, you know, kind of cross between the two, But if you can 957 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,240 do more strength training, you tend to have less damage. 958 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,640 And, you know, in a seasoned athlete, I don't think you're 959 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,880 going to have that much of a difference in hypertrophy. 960 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,760 And stronger people are just, you know, like Mark Ripto says 961 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,080 they're hard to kill. Yeah, for sure. 962 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,640 What do you think from a psychological standpoint is 963 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:41,520 going to happen if we reach this escape velocity and death is no 964 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,760 longer on the table? Like how do you think that will 965 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,000 shift people's overall mentality going through life? 966 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,960 Like I feel like for me personally, knowing that there 967 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,920 is an end to my life, I try and make all the more time to focus 968 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,240 and cherish on the moments that I have on this planet. 969 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,840 Do you think that will shift for the better or worse if people 970 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,200 live forever? Yeah, I mean, it's a really cool 971 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:13,920 question. The funny thing is, so there's a 972 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:19,040 an old, old book from the Vedas, and it's a story called the 973 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:24,320 Mahabharata. And in the Mahabharata, the 974 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,280 protagonist is asking one of the sages. 975 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,840 He's like, what's one of the most wondrous things, you know? 976 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,720 And he said one of the most wondrous things I know is that 977 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,320 every single person knows that they're going to die one day, 978 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,000 but they don't live their life like that. 979 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,360 They always live their life like they're going to live forever, 980 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,120 right? And that's what I normally see 981 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,480 with people, even when I'm talking to them, like over at 982 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,040 lunch or I'll meet somebody new and stuff like that. 983 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,080 Like they never find it pressing to start doing the type of 984 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,760 medicine that we're doing because they're they're like, 985 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,720 oh, I'll do it another day. And it's like, you're 75 years 986 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,400 old. How many days do you have left? 987 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,640 Right. So I don't think that the most 988 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,160 people actually think that they're going to die like they 989 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,320 know it, but they're they live their life like they're going to 990 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,080 live forever. And like you'll see most people 991 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,280 die and their estate is in a mess, right? 992 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,360 They really knew that they were going to die one day. 993 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,480 Like they'd have their will in order, they'd have their estate 994 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,360 all in order, right? They'd have things prepared for 995 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,600 like how they wanted to be, you know, at the end. 996 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,880 But people really don't live like that. 997 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,840 When I think what's going to happen is when people start 998 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,760 living an extraordinarily long life, and not even that they 999 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,040 live forever, but let's just say like, they start living to be 1000 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,920 150, right? They're going to care more about 1001 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,760 the world that they live in because they're going to live 1002 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,680 long enough to see those changes, right? 1003 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,280 They're going to live long enough to see that tree grow. 1004 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,960 You know they're going to live long enough to see like this, 1005 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:03,040 pollution destroy the river. Right. 1006 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,840 They're going to see long enough to see like these impacts on 1007 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,280 their environment. And so I think they'll care more 1008 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,440 about the world that they live in because they're going to 1009 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,280 actually see those changes in their lifetime. 1010 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,680 But I don't really know, like the rest of it. 1011 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,400 I, I think it's going to the world that we're going to be 1012 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,720 living in is going to be so drastically different than the 1013 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,040 one that we live in now. I mean, most of these jobs are 1014 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,640 going to be gone to AI, right? People are going to have to find 1015 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,480 a whole different kind of purpose in life. 1016 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,920 We're going to have to find a way to like, have some kind of 1017 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:41,440 basic income for people. I mean, there's major, major 1018 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,680 problems coming up. So I don't know how lifespan is 1019 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,520 going to really play into that. I do think though, that living a 1020 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,280 longer life is going to be a benefit for all of humanity 1021 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,320 because the longer you live, you get hopefully you'll become more 1022 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,600 wiser. And if we're able to keep you 1023 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:05,840 healthy and not, you know, just really old, you'll be able to 1024 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,520 contribute more. So if you don't, if you don't 1025 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,800 retire, I mean, just think about it, you know, you get to be 60 1026 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,400 something years old, like you have a lot of wisdom from all 1027 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,960 the stuff that you've done in your life. 1028 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,000 And if you had the body of a 20 year old, how effective could 1029 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,360 you be, right? I mean, like, it's just 1030 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,320 unbelievable. And then like if you were going 1031 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,680 to be the effectiveness of a 20 year old from 65 to like 110, I 1032 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,560 mean, like maybe you have three different careers that you're 1033 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,720 fantastic in. Yeah, no, I think the sky truly 1034 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,080 is the limit. I mean, we're on the precipice 1035 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,400 of some big changes, without a doubt. 1036 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,360 So it'll be very interesting to see what the, I mean, I've got a 1037 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,240 2 1/2 year old and I've got one on the way. 1038 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,080 So I'm very curious to see what the life they're going to be 1039 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,280 living in the next 50 years is going to look like for sure. 1040 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,440 Yeah, that'll be cool. You know, and I think there's 1041 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,440 always going to be a need for movement. 1042 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,920 Even if, you know, Liz Parrish's gene therapy keeps you strong 1043 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,360 and muscle bound without having to do any work, you still have 1044 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,680 to move to train your nervous system. 1045 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,840 You still have to move to just learn about your own body. 1046 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,360 And there, you know, you just feel good when you move. 1047 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,160 So I think that's always going to be a necessary thing. 1048 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,320 I hope so. I hope so. 1049 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,400 Hope this, you know, advancement technology doesn't lead to a 1050 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:35,960 Society of, you know, just inundated people that I don't 1051 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,240 know, like they, they don't look, I, I think we need hard 1052 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,040 things in life, hardly like physically demanding things, 1053 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,760 mentally demanding things. We need hard things. 1054 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,440 It's like that's what has strengthened us as a species up 1055 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,800 to this point. So hopefully that is able to be 1056 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,120 just amplified for positive and we don't lose touch of that as 1057 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,360 as time goes on. Exactly. 1058 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,360 I love it. I love it. 1059 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,480 Well, very, very insightful. I'm definitely going to have to 1060 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,280 keep an eye on your work and just see how all this unfolds 1061 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,520 because there's most definitely some exciting things in the 1062 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,240 pipeline that we'll see in our lifetime, much less those of our 1063 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,320 children. So it'll be it'll be curious to 1064 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,880 see what happens for sure. Yeah. 1065 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,200 You know, and the whole thing about diet is get lab testing, 1066 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:30,120 somebody who's functional trained, you know, so that and 1067 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,960 then I get your microbiome checked from a a really good 1068 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,000 lab, which there's not very many of them. 1069 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,440 There's a lot of garbage microbiome testing out there. 1070 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,800 So that's going to really give you the big picture, you know, 1071 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,880 what kind of microbiome you have is going to really determine 1072 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,480 like your health and you know, the the type of diet you got to 1073 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,800 see how it's affecting your Physiology are. 1074 01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,800 There any microbiome tests that you personally recommend? 1075 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,720 Right now there's a company called Therium that is going to 1076 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:09,880 be having one and then there's another one. 1077 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,800 There's another test for the micro, your mitochondria called 1078 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,960 Meescreen. And there's a company, you know, 1079 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,840 that's associated with them that's going to have one. 1080 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,680 But I would stick with their technology because it's the next 1081 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,840 kind of level to look at things. Most of the other microbiome 1082 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,640 testing is just really not that accurate. 1083 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,080 Not that not that it's useless. Meescreen is the mitochondria 1084 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,840 test and Thorium their. Their test has omics testing and 1085 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,560 they're coming out with next generation testing for the 1086 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,880 microbiome. Nice, I will definitely check 1087 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,840 those out for sure. Yeah, those are great tests that 1088 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,960 you can actually get at home and just do a finger prick and you 1089 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,360 can really learn a lot about your health just with those two 1090 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,080 tests. Awesome. 1091 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,360 Well, I'm definitely an advocate for, you know, what can be 1092 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,720 measured can be managed, as I say. 1093 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,480 So like, no, there's no sense in just this guessing. 1094 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,480 Mindless, you know, shooting in the dark, like actually get the 1095 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,720 lab drawn, get the test done. Yeah, I'm a huge advocate for 1096 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,640 that because if you don't know what you're, if you don't know 1097 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,240 where you're starting from, you can't possibly know where you're 1098 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,440 going. Yeah. 1099 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,400 And Charlotte, you know, I always try to get people to 1100 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,640 incorporate either fasting, mimicking diets or fasting every 1101 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:21,080 quarter for five days. They're just fantastic benefits 1102 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,480 for that. You know, you can go. 1103 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,600 Walter Longo has most of the data on that. 1104 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,520 Yeah. That's awesome. 1105 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,880 And then, you know, keto diets are fantastic for certain 1106 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,160 things, right? If you have autoimmune disease, 1107 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,880 keto diets almost work every time, right? 1108 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,320 If you have certain types of cancer, keto diets are 1109 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,920 absolutely fantastic for that. The only time that we have 1110 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:57,720 really issues with keto is over long periods of time, but you 1111 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:03,680 can see it in the labs before that rears its head and you'll 1112 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,840 get a little bit less power output when you're on keto 1113 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,840 versus when you have enough carbs. 1114 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,160 What kind of markers are popping up in the labs when you see 1115 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,680 people experiencing some adverse reactions to keto long term, we. 1116 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:24,880 Mostly see it in the liver. So I see, I like to do full body 1117 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,920 Mris and sometimes I'll start to see more fat accumulating the 1118 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,800 liver and more inflammation in the liver. 1119 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,040 I'll start to see liver enzymes going up and I'll start to see 1120 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:41,080 kidney function decreasing. So it's just stuff that I've 1121 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,720 noticed over time. I also noticed that their 1122 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:49,680 biological clocks don't decrease as well as they do when they're 1123 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,480 plant based on a higher carbohydrate diet. 1124 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,800 Interesting, I have to get some of these labs drawn and and take 1125 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,520 a look. I mean, every time I get blood 1126 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,440 markers done everything seems to be in check, but I've been doing 1127 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,120 that for 10 years. And everyone's different, right? 1128 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,640 I do have some guys on keto for different reasons and you know, 1129 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,880 I keep them really well balanced. 1130 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,000 Yeah, it's totally. No, it's all individual and it's 1131 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,360 really important to get labs right because we can't go off 1132 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,840 the way that we feel. We really can't. 1133 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,520 Our feelings and our emotions are just not that accurate. 1134 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,560 Yeah, I definitely am a fan of getting the data and just 1135 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,000 knowing with certainty. So 100% on the same page will be 1136 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,920 there. This, this is good, this is 1137 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,000 good. Where do people go to find out 1138 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,760 more about you and just dive deeper into your world? 1139 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,840 My clinic is the Pazio Institute, Paz I/O. 1140 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,240 Then you just go to thepazioinstitute.com. 1141 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,520 It's really great information on the website there, different 1142 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,000 memberships. They can fill out a form there 1143 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,920 and then we'll call them and have an interview with them. 1144 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,520 They explain everything we can and see if they're a really 1145 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,120 great candidate and they can join up. 1146 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,120 They can learn about the Institute for Medical 1147 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,880 Maintenance Engineering at immeglobal.com to see what some 1148 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,760 of the future stuff we're going to be doing. 1149 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,280 That's going to be super interesting because all of our 1150 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,000 data is going to go into a data lake there and we've been 1151 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,439 training in AI and so that's just going to really improve 1152 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:26,600 everything that we're doing. Most of the age reversal 1153 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,120 clinics, they're not really collecting the data in the way 1154 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,600 that we're doing it so that we can see whether or not the 1155 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,200 protocols we're doing really are working and what can we do 1156 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,760 better. We also have compliance data, so 1157 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,840 most people are on different supplements and medications and 1158 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,279 they're given all these bottles and they're given basically a, a 1159 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,760 hobby to do, right? Like, OK, you can take this fish 1160 01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,279 oil, you can take this curcumin, you can take these medicines. 1161 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,160 We make it really simple and we put it into packaging. 1162 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,560 So they get these little packs and they get them throughout 1163 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,000 different times of the day and everything's in one little 1164 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,399 package. And then, you know, they go out 1165 01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,479 every month so we can keep track of their compliance so we know 1166 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,520 whether or not they've been taking their stuff or they 1167 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,439 haven't been taking their stuff. Yeah, that's super smart there. 1168 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,200 I like that. Yeah, it just makes it super 1169 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,000 simple because I don't want to give you a hobby of like, you 1170 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,359 know, you have to keep track of 15 different bottles of 1171 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,640 supplements and five different medications, you know? 1172 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,880 Yeah, totally. Just we'll, we'll take care of 1173 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,600 that for you. All you have to do is open the 1174 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,800 pack and swallow it. Make it easy, less decision 1175 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,279 fatigue. Yeah, for sure. 1176 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,760 Right. And like you know, why do you 1177 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,479 want to waste your life ordering bottles and opening bottles? 1178 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,080 Yeah, well, awesome. I will definitely link out to 1179 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,800 all your sources, maybe each people to find you. 1180 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,840 We ought to do a follow up podcast in about 100 years 1181 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,160 because we'll both be around then, right? 1182 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,080 Sounds fantastic. Awesome. 1183 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,400 I certainly appreciate the time, Doctor. 1184 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,120 I've learned a ton. And let's definitely keep in 1185 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,440 touch because I do want to keep a pulse on what's what all what 1186 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:02,440 was going on with the technology and where we're headed as a 1187 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:05,920 species. For sure love to catch up with 1188 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,800 you. Thank you Sir. 1189 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,240 Take care all. Right. 1190 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,400 Thanks again. Have a great one. 1191 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:09,920 You too.