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What's going on, ladies and 
gents? 

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Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com 
Today I've got special guest 

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Mark Lowbliner on the line. 
I've been following Mark online 

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for who knows how long. 
I remember seeing his stuff 

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several years ago when I was 
first getting into the 

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bodybuilding space. 
So he's been around for a 

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minute. 
He's got some great content. 

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He's the owner of Tiger Fitness 
and we just wanted to jump on 

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and talk shop. 
We talked about ketogenic 

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dieting, we talked about 
carbohydrate inclusive dieting. 

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We talked about flexible 
dieting, talked about longevity 

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and how to build the right 
habits and routines to set you 

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up for success long term. 
We talked about it was Zimpick 

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Wygovy, all these weight loss 
drugs and we just talked about 

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life. 
We talked about business little 

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bits. 
Great conversation. 

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We're definitely going to do a 
follow up around 234, who knows 

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how many because it was just so 
much more to cover. 

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But until we do those, enjoy 
this one Sit back relax drill 

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podcast with Mark Loebliner and 
we are live. 

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Mark, how are you, brother? 
I'm doing freaking fantastic 

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dude. 
It's good to be on here. 

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I I just, I'm so glad I got like
aware of your stuff. 

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Like your book is insane. 
This is if anybody wants to know

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about applying keto to anything 
beyond just curing ailments 

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'cause I believe that the 
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diets are awesome. 
And the problem is applying it 

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to athletics. 
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athletics. 
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dependent a lot on the person, 
their metabolism, the sport 

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they're doing. 
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it is it applies the different 
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to a normal sedentary 
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the ketogenic diet is probably 
superior. 

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The sedentary individual who's 
not burning glucose, hell, 

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they're not burning much of 
anything. 

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And it also eliminates their 
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bad food that'll cause 
syndromex, that'll cause 

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inflammation. 
I think that it's phenomenal 

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that we're delving into anything
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of keto because the more we look
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more it can be used towards 
normal clinical or lifestyle 

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adaptations for the diet. 
Yeah, 100% agreement. 

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Like I started doing keto almost
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And what excites me about it is 
all the research coming out 

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about like type 3 diabetes and 
it's prevention against 

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Alzheimer's dementia, which is 
awesome. 

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But I'm an athlete that's 33 
years old, so I'm not worried 

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about Alzheimer's dementia in 
this chapter in my life. 

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But if I can adopt A diet that's
going to set me up for success 

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from a longevity standpoint, and
I can get leaner and perform 

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better than I ever did with 
carbs, it seems like a win win 

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to me. 
Yeah, I mean, I've tried keto 

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multiple times. 
I I am one of those weird 

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metabolisms. 
I churn through everything. 

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So the amount of food I have to 
eat on keto and keto's weird 

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carnivore keto in that it 
appears I can eat an unlimited 

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amount of calories and lose 
weight at an unprecedented rate.

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And that's something beyond the 
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out. 
And the science doesn't back it 

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up. 
But when we do the studies, it's

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normally on sedentary 
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We don't know if they're 
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So when you do a study and you 
even have placebo, this that and

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the third, like adherence is an 
issue when you design these 

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studies from personal anecdote, 
I can tell you that I can eat a 

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lot more on a ketogenic diet and
lose weight. 

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And that is what's really 
fascinating. 

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I would, I would guess I could 
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ketogenic diet with the same 
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on a standard mixed diet. 
Have you seen that a lot? 

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Yeah, like I can. 
I mean when I'm getting really 

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aggressive with my caloric 
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lbs before I was keto with 
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So I was eating 6000 calories a 
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2:30. 
I just got done eating 6000 

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calories per months on the end 
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could get was 200 lbs. 
So I do believe in the, you 

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know, calories in calories out 
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mathematical standpoint, but I 
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adapted, which does not happen 
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And another argument against 
those studies is that they're 

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all done very short term 
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But like, once you've deeply 
become fat adapted, your ability

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to metabolize your consumption 
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you're burning more calories 
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So yes, calories still apply. 
Like if I eat 6000 calories, you

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know, I'm not as lean as I am 
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calories, but the metabola, the 
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consumption is wildly different,
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It's it's absolutely astounding.
And I do believe there are some 

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people who can really do well 
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glucoses energy. 
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fascinated with are supplemental
PHP because I believe that will 

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give you some of the benefits of
being in ketosis, of being on a 

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low carbohydrate diet because 
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ketones, exogenous ketones, 
endogenous ketones, wherever you

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get them, your brain really 
likes ketones. 

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If you've ever been on a 
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like your brain is operating 
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And that could be from a lot of 
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It could be from avoiding the 
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avoiding the insulin ups and 
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But if you've ever truly been in
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brain is being fueled. 
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the BHPS, the exogenous ketones.
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the B, the RBHP, They got these 
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And my good friend, actually, 
he's a, he's the guy who wants a

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patent on him. 
And I've been using a lot of BH 

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BS. 
And I find that when not in 

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ketosis, when not on a ketogenic
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gives me a lot of the brain 
benefits of being in ketosis. 

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And have you ever supplemented 
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Yeah, I played around that. 
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introduce carbs anymore, but I 
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ketones and I'll use them to 
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But like the the fact that 
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endogenous can cross the blood 
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is one of the main reasons I did
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Like I did 5 competitions last 
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I got down a 3.9% body fat. 
Having done that in the past 

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with carbohydrates, I felt like 
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Most competitors feel like 
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The last month and a half, two 
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functioning at a high rate with 
all my podcasts and business 

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responsibilities and I never 
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sense. 
So yeah, the cognitive benefit 

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alone is the reason I stick with
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Yeah, I mean, that's that's a 
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It's a, it's a definite huge 
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I haven't gotten into the book. 
It's obviously I, this is like, 

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I I think this is bigger than 
the Bible. 

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I really do. 
Maybe not quite big in the 

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Bible, but it's pretty big. 440 
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Yeah, it's a beast. 
It's a beast. 

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So how do you now the peak of 
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This is me asking you. 
So to peek for a bodybuilding 

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show is one of the hardest 
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And you know, obviously there's 
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You fat load. 
How do you load up for a show 

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'cause you look fucking great on
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How do you do that? 
How do you do that? 

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I I fat and protein load. 
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ketogenic caloric refeeds as 
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prior to the actual competition.
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show, depending on how depleted 
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consecutive refeed days. 
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my clients do a Friday refeed 
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typically about 30% over 
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point. 
And then I'll bump up sodium by 

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about 15 hundred 2000 
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So that draws any of the 
subcutaneous fluid into the 

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muscle tissue, make the skin 
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appear fuller, bring out the 
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But since I'm not, you know, 
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carbohydrates, there's no risk 
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I never have to, you know, cut 
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Like, I was literally drinking a
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on stage and I felt totally 
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Whereas a lot of people were 
cramping up and not able to even

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hit the poses because they were 
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Well, that's also well, it was 
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So I can't blame diuretics. 
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Typically I've done NPC shows as
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all in the natural federations. 
Yeah, it's for me. 

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I carb up way lower than most. 
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pro card, it was like 300 grams 
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I think a lot of people overdo 
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People don't understand 
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Bring water with them. 
So if you're, if you're not 

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eating carbohydrate, you're 
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And there's got to be a clinical
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You see these heart, heart 
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diuretics, right? 
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Normally what a doctor's going 
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based diet which is going to be 
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super low in protein, super low 
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So you get this edema around 
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And I've seen, have you seen CT 
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he won't post it. 
He could poke his foot and it 

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stays with a big fingerprint 
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But as I was doing keto about 
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noted that I had 0 subcutaneous 
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It begs the question. 
Now obviously these doctors are 

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going off of research that they 
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We don't have enough research on
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No one's done a study on this 
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But what if the heart patients, 
what are the main issues and 

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they give them they, they 
prescribe aldactone and they 

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prescribe diazide or whatever 
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one component of diazide cause 
diazide has two components in 

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it. 
I can't pronounce it anyway. 

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I'm I'm partially retarded. 
But they give them lasix all 

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this stuff to keep their water 
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What if you took a heart patient
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trouble with edema and put them 
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based diet? 
I think that would eliminate a 

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lot of the issues they get with 
these medications and help them 

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live longer without the edema. 
Well, I might be biased, but I 

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would completely agree with you 
and a lot of from a competitive 

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standpoint, everybody worries 
about glycogen if they're not 

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eating carbohydrates. 
But once you become deeply 

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adapted, your body's ability to 
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glycogen is on par with those of
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counterpart. 
So like I don't feel just as 

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full when I'm with ketogenic 
approach as when I did with with

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carbs, but I don't have the risk
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Like I said earlier, there's 
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You're removing that noise from 
the equation, so it's, for me, 

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it's a much more surefire way to
know exactly what I'm going to 

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look like on stage today and 
come in confidently. 

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Well, I think that's the key to 
being a natural bodybuilder, 

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right? 
And I still, even though I 

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compete in the IFBB very poorly,
I'm really bad. 

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I I never hold water and I never
have those issues going in. 

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And I think people also don't 
understand electrolytes and a 

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ketogenic diet. 
I think that when people are 

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getting a carb heavy diet, 
they're not only getting carbs, 

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a lot of them get a lot of ultra
processed foods which are filled

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with sodium, potassium, all 
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So when you're on a ketogenic 
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carrying that water with a 
carbohydrate, but you also are 

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lacking the Adenin electrolytes 
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So when you do that, your body's
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So people go on a ketogenic diet
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They go from an ultra processed 
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food diet to a whole food diet. 
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salting their meals, but that's 
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I don't think people understand 
the necessity it is to 

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supplement with electrolytes 
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the leaner you get. 
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I got down to again, 3.9% body 
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was consuming 15,000 milligrams 
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So considerably higher than the 
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competitive standpoint. 
Like a lot of people will be 

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around that four to 6000 
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I was, you know, significantly 
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But once your body, like, if 
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sodium to potassium to fluid 
coming in, your body is able to 

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reset the equilibrium point at 
whatever that level is as long 

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as the ratio is in check. 
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but I feel phenomenal with it. 
Yeah, I normally even with carb 

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inclusion, someone who exercises
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And while I do eat a lot of 
carbs in relation to protein and

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fat, it's probably more of a 
zone isocaloric diet. 

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That's when I feel the best. 
And when I feel the best I'm, 

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I'm eating butter, I'm having 
saturates. 

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And I think that a lot of people
try to get based in these camps,

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right? 
Like I'm this, I'm carnivore, 

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I'm this, I'm that. 
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experimenting and figuring out 
what works best for you. 

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But I think in experimentation 
it's just start with ketogenesis

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and see what makes you feel 
better as you add it in. 

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Like maybe you do good on 
fruits. 

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I know a lot of carnivore guys 
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carnivore. 
I still don't understand those 

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mental gymnastics. 
You can help me on that I. 

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No, I'm I'm in agreement man 
like Paul Saldino I think 

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popularized that fruit and honey
with carnivore approach. 

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Well, it's animal based. 
What the Hell's he talking 

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about? 
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if you look at fruit nowadays 
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like fruit's not even the same 
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I mean, it's all, it's all been 
genetically modified. 

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Like a, a freaking banana now 
versus one from days gone by 

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doesn't even look like the same 
fruit, you know? 

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So I don't really buy into that 
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And it's still. 
It's still. 

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Glucose. 
I don't either. 

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And fructose, you know. 
At the end of the day, if you 

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break it all down, you're right.
Now there is something to be 

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said about the complete matrix 
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You combine the fiber, the 
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nutrients. 
But at the end of the day, if if

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you're claiming you're on a 
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honey and you're eating fruit, I
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you want. 
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pretty healthy diet. 
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I think we need to get back to 
is how do we eat more Whole 

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Foods that aren't ultra 
processed and what what a 

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ketogenic diet does, it makes it
literally idiot proof. 

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It it, it forces you to eat 
Whole Foods. 

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It forces you to eat foods that 
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It forces you to and it's it's, 
it's pretty idiot proof. 

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ketogenic. 
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that the ketogenic carnivore, 
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diets too is they bring us back 
to eating non processed foods, 

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which I think we need to get 
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Yeah, completely. 
I think most people that have a 

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head on their shoulders would 
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You know, like the heavily 
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foods, it's just all noise in 
the equation. 

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You look at us as a society, 
we're obviously not getting any 

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healthier. 
So we got to kind of not do what

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we're doing currently, and 
currently we're just eating a 

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bunch of nonsense, bunch of 
bullshit. 

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And if we can return to that 
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going to benefit from it. 
Whether or not you want to fall 

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into the ketogenic camp or the 
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vegan camp. 
Whole Foods vegan I would still 

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probably argue is better than 
processed standard American that

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as long as you get ample 
protein, you know. 

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What do you see as the major 
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I mean, if you look at 
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like for the same caloric low, 
you're going to have far more 

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nutrients in, you know, 3 ounces
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whatever super food from a vegan
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So from a micronutrient density 
standpoint, like if you've only 

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got so many calories to work 
with, then in my opinion, it 

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makes the most sense to target 
the most nutrient dense food 

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options you can, which is 
obviously going to point to, you

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know, fats and proteins, animal 
based sources. 

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And then if you look at us from 
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standpoint, you know, we didn't,
we didn't evolve eating nothing 

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but fruits and tubers and 
vegetation, like we were eating 

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meat and lots of it. 
So just kind of returning to 

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what our digestive system has 
evolved to consume over, you 

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know, a millennia makes sense to
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I couldn't, I couldn't agree 
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And I would argue that our 
brains would have never fully 

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developed if we didn't discover 
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us to cook food, to have meat, 
to get that nutrient density. 

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And that nutrient density is 
what allowed us to grow and to 

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get the. 
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gorillas. 
Well, they, they just eat 

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plants. 
Yeah, but they spend 75% of 

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their day eating, and their 
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chamber, more closely resembles 
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That's what's really fascinating
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And I understand the altruism of
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I understand it. 
I just think it's misdirected 

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because you still have to tear 
up land. 

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You still have to plant crops, 
implanting the crops. 

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You're killing insects, you're 
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animals. 
You're taking away their 

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habitat. 
At the end of the day humans you

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need to take shit over to eat. 
It just is what it is and 

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something will have to die. 
Yeah. 

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Why not just go to the source? 
Yeah, there's a cycle of life 

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with everything, life and death,
like something's going to die 

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for something else to live. 
That's just, that's just it 

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distilled down to its simplest 
form. 

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And like for me, you know, when 
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like you mentioned, when you 
look at the pH of a human 

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being's stomach, it definitely 
resembles that more so of a 

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predator of a, you know, 
carnivorous animal of something 

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that's eating carcasses that had
that higher pH stomach, like a 

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freaking Buzzard. 
You know, orangutangs, apes, 

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they don't have, you know, a 
cecum. 

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You look at ruminants, they've 
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We don't have that. 
We're monogastric animals. 

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I mean, it's like you got to 
just kind of distill things down

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to its biological essence. 
And when you look at, you know, 

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the argument of the teeth, 
people say, look, we don't have 

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the canines that a predator has,
so we obviously shouldn't be 

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eating like them. 
We don't have the canines that 

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the predator has because we 
developed tools and we didn't 

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need them. 
Yeah, it's evolution, yeah. 

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So yeah, I on. 
The same page. 

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I completely completely agree. 
Yep. 

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I mean, at the end of the day, 
man, I again, like I, I've tried

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all kinds of diets again, it's 
about figuring out I am more 

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meat based than anything. 
But my body feels well on 

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glucose and I have very good 
flexed energy and my body can go

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back and forth and switch 
really. 

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And and that that took a long 
time like that probably took all

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30 years of my training life to 
get that. 

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But if you want a dummy proof 
diet that really can benefit 

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anyone, yeah, you're looking at 
a ketogenic diet. 

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Now, do you eat many fruits and,
I'm sorry, many vegetables, 

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broccoli, things like that? 
Or are you pretty much all 

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animal based? 
I'll have some on occasion, like

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if my wife's cooking up 
something for family, we have 

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guests over. 
We'll have like, you know, 

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broccoli cooked in bacon or 
Brussels sprouts or something 

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like that. 
I'll have that. 

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But like I probably have 
vegetation in my diet once every

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two weeks or something. 
I would say most of it is meat. 

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I'll have a keto brick a day and
then the vast majority of my 

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other calories come from eggs, 
pigs and animal based sources. 

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You know, lamb, beef, Venice. 
And I do a lot of hunting, so 

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I've got a freezer full of game 
that I've killed over the years 

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and that fuels me quite well. 
Yeah, we have a cow coming. 

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I don't hunt, dude. 
I'm, I'm originally from 

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California. 
I might live in Tennessee now, 

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but the only hunting I do is in 
Costco's freezer section. 

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You know, like that's about it. 
That's that's my I'm, I'm, I'm a

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city slicker, dude. 
I can't, I'm just, I just now 

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if, if one of my buddies goes 
out and kills a deer, I'll take 

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it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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But but we have a we I'm in 
Tennessee, man. 

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There's cows all over the place.
It's like we can get a cow. 

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Like, yeah, the hunting thing's 
awesome because talk about grass

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fed wild food. 
You can't get much better than 

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that. 
And it's so lean. 

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And it brings you like very, 
very close to that circle of 

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life that we were talking about 
earlier. 

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I mean like when you kill 
something else first hand, you 

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see the life leave its eyes. 
You just respect the food all 

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the more. 
Like you don't want to waste any

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of it. 
You don't. 

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Like one of my pet peeves is 
throwing away food. 

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Like I do not like throwing away
food. 

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And when I hunt that animal, I 
make sure every morsel gets 

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consumed like there's no waste. 
And I feel like when you have 

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that no waste mentality, you 
just appreciate that much more. 

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As we should. 
Yeah, as we absolutely should, 

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man. 
I see this is this is the kind 

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of stuff what's what's really 
crazy? 

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I forgot the doctor's name. 
That doctor that Sean Baker 

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always points out, that little 
vegan guy with the beard and the

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weird stomach. 
It's like McGregor, McGregor, 

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McGregor. 
Yeah, that guy is so crazy and 

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he looks so bad. 
I've never listened to his 

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content, but yeah, like I've 
never. 

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I like to look at people that 
resemble what I would want to 

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look and feel like. 
And I probably wouldn't be 

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taking health advice for someone
that doesn't look healthy 

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personally. 
Meanwhile, Sean Baker's, what, 

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57? 
Is he like 59 years old now? 

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He's getting on up there, Yeah. 
And he's, he's a. 

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Beast man indoor, you know how 
hard indoor rowing is? 

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Like that's not an easy sport. 
You got to have cardiovascular, 

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you got to have fast twitch, you
got to have glycolytic, 

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glycogenic and the guy is still 
crushing it. 

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Like you got to respect that. 
You got to respect them putting 

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their money with their mouth. 
I haven't seen many vegans. 

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Remember that movie Game 
Changer? 

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Did you watch that? 
Unfortunately, yeah. 

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God that movie was so bad, but 
it made for some really good 

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content. 
I got so many views on YouTube 

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from that one. 
But they had that one vegan 

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strongman who was shitting on 
all the other strong men. 

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Where has he gone? 
What has he done? 

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Well, they didn't want anything 
of that video. 

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And a lot of it was staged. 
A lot of it was using, you know,

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poorly designed studies, like 
the whole thing was propaganda. 

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The China study is poorly 
designed. 

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Yeah, a lot of. 
Everything the vegans have are 

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poorly designed. 
You see doctors coming around 

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now though, That's the crazy 
thing. 

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Like doctors are starting to 
figure it out and it's going to 

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take time because but the kids 
coming out of medical school 

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now, I think they are more in 
tuned with what's going on in 

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the real world, what real 
nutrition is like and how 

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everything about saturated fat 
and cholesterol is a big lie. 

449
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,040
Yeah, yeah, it's cholesterol. 
We're definitely making 

450
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,760
progress. 
What were you saying? 

451
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,960
So so cholesterol, man, how is 
your cholesterol and how do you 

452
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,760
view LDLHDL and overall 
cholesterol? 

453
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,280
I have a whole list of stuff in 
my head for you, man. 

454
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:48,800
I'm I'm fascinated by what you 
do. 

455
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,240
Have you dove into any of Dave 
Feldman's work? 

456
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,640
Yeah, so he's he's on to some 
pretty good stuff there. 

457
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,640
They're actually making legit 
bonafide studies that, you know,

458
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,640
they just recently published one
study and I had him on the 

459
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,560
podcast Diamond Details, all 
butchered. 

460
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,920
But basically they, they 
compared a cohort that was, you 

461
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,480
know, fitting his criteria of 
lean mass hyper responders had 

462
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,880
elevated LDLS compared to a 
cohort that was on a statin and 

463
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,200
reduced LDL numbers. 
And they were comparing, you 

464
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,760
know, CAC scores between the 
two. 

465
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,880
And the, the group that was in 
that lean mass hyper responder, 

466
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,400
elevated quarter cholesterol 
group didn't have any increased 

467
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,840
CAC scores. 
So like to me that that's pretty

468
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,120
indicative there. 
I mean, my personal cholesterol 

469
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,360
numbers, I've got slightly 
elevated LDL, but my HDL is also

470
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,680
high and my trigs are like 
nothing. 

471
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,320
So my ratio is solid. 
So yeah, I mean, I test my 

472
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,720
numbers like every six months 
typically, and they're always in

473
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,600
a really good range. 
Yeah, I, I think it's also, so I

474
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,040
got a personal anecdote. 
So I have a really good doctor, 

475
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,640
but he's a doctor, right? 
So I came in, my HDL was right 

476
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,040
there. 
I'm sorry. 

477
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080
LDL was 130 is the high range 
for normal tests. 

478
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,960
I think it's 150 on some. 
He's like, you know what? 

479
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,080
I put every male over 40 on a 
statin and I'm like, you know 

480
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,320
what, OK, whatever, it's not 
going to hurt, right? 

481
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,920
Holy shit, that was terrible. 
It causes the worst myopathy 

482
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,360
you've ever, So I didn't. 
So I take so many health 

483
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,640
supplements because I own a 
supplement company. 

484
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,120
It's what I do. 
I like just threw it in the mix,

485
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,600
didn't even realize I was on it.
I was literally on a self 

486
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440
induced placebo because I take 
so much shit. 

487
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,240
I'm like, cool, another pill, 
whatever. 

488
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,760
So I'm at the time my daughter 
and I were training for a 

489
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,320
powerlifting meet. 
I was going to do a powerlifting

490
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040
meet with my daughter, right? 
And like I was killing it. 

491
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,440
So like a week it, it ended up 
being like a week into the 

492
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,720
statin therapy and I'm on low 
dose Rizuvastatin, which is the 

493
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,640
the mild one. 
That's the one that causes the 

494
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,880
least effects. 
I forgot why there's I think 

495
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,640
it's water soluble versus fat 
soluble. 

496
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,640
Whatever. 
There was some reason and all of

497
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600
a sudden like my fucking back is
killing me. 

498
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,080
I'm sore as shit from 
powerlifting. 

499
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,520
I realize I'm a bodybuilder so 
I'm higher volume powerlifting 

500
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,880
training. 
No offense, powerlifters, it's 

501
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480
not that hard. 
You go in, you get a couple low 

502
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,560
Rep sets, you use some 
ancillaries, you leave. 

503
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,920
I'm not doing like fucking four 
sets of 12, right? 

504
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,800
So I'm like, why am I in such 
pain? 

505
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,920
And then I looked, I'm like, 
what am I taking? 

506
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,960
And I'm like, oh, I'm taking, 
let me look it up. 

507
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,800
I looked it up and it's like 5 
to 10%. 

508
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,000
I've actually read different 
data points that show that is 

509
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,200
vastly underestimated, like 25, 
thirty, 40% of people get the 

510
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,440
severe myopathy. 
So I'm talking to my business 

511
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,920
partner's dad at Tiger Fitness, 
Larry, and he's like, yeah, my 

512
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,920
doctor put me on a statin. 
I couldn't walk. 

513
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,200
I'm like, I think statins are 
making people fatter and 

514
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,400
unhealthier because you can't 
fucking move. 

515
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Yeah, there may be some truth to
that for sure. 

516
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,360
I mean, I, I'm obviously not on 
statin. 

517
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,240
A lot of my family is. 
Don't do it. 

518
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Don't do it. 
Yeah, like. 

519
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,680
Like I don't feel any need for 
the statin. 

520
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,760
When you look at the, the if you
have 0 pre-existing conditions, 

521
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,680
you haven't had a stroke, you 
haven't had a heart attack, and 

522
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,480
you look at the numbers as to 
how much the statin is 

523
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,040
supposedly going to decrease 
your likelihood for one of those

524
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800
adverse effects, it's like 
negligible. 

525
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,440
It's minuscule. 
Minuscule. 

526
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,920
See, but I understand where the 
doctor's coming from. 

527
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,360
Hear me out. 
So I'm not mad. 

528
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:18,760
I actually had this conversation
with him. 

529
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Great talk. 
Just AGP, just a normal guy, 

530
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,440
right? 
He's not like a steroid doctor, 

531
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,440
right? 
Like he's a regular fucking 

532
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,720
doctor on my, on my, on my, you 
know, my, my, my list, right? 

533
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,120
I'm like, OK, so he's like, 
here's the reason I put people 

534
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,400
on it because there's an overall
decrease in morbidity based on 

535
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000
the data I've read of 30%. 
That's it. 

536
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,640
So if you're over for, he's 
like, I don't make money on it. 

537
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
He's like even if I did, it's 
like $8. 

538
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,280
It's generic. 
He's like, I can't prescribe 

539
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,160
enough to make money. 
It's not from financial. 

540
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,120
And you could actually look up, 
I think it's called the Sun Act,

541
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,520
where you could look up how much
money your doctor has taken from

542
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,800
big pharma. 
Everything from every lunch 

543
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,000
they've been on, every gift 
they've received. 

544
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,800
My guy has zero. 
So he's just like, look, dude, 

545
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,120
I'm I'm dealing with the general
population. 

546
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,040
I just don't want people to die.
Here's a way that might decrease

547
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,920
morbidity by 30%. 
I'm in. 

548
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,960
So I'm like, that makes sense. 
He's like, but you, you left 

549
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,480
really hard and it's good to 
hurt you. 

550
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,320
So don't take it. 
I'm like, all right, cool. 

551
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,160
So but dude, statins are harsh 
bro. 

552
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,280
Yeah, yeah, it's so harsh. 
I'm not anti Western medicine by

553
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,760
any means. 
I don't want to come across the 

554
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,520
way. 
A lot of my family is in that 

555
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,240
sector, but there's just so 
much, there's so many biases 

556
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640
with everything in life. 
And like they're trained to 

557
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,040
think a certain way. 
They're brought through a 

558
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,880
certain curriculum in Med 
school. 

559
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,880
A lot of that information and, 
and research has been dated and 

560
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,600
is no longer applicable. 
And like for me, it's like, what

561
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,480
do I do that makes me feel good?
What do I do that makes me 

562
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,800
perform good? 
What do I do that makes me 

563
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800
excited? 
And not taking a bunch of drugs,

564
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,120
eating good quality food and 
lifting hard and heavy checks 

565
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,800
all those boxes. 
How many days a week do you 

566
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,400
train? 
Usually about 5. 

567
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,680
I'll do like a cardio day so if 
you count that it winds up being

568
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,960
6, but usually five week 
training days. 

569
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,000
OK, so yeah, you're still in 
your prime, man, 30, that's a 

570
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080
good age. 
Yeah, I feel very early 30s, 

571
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,960
but. 
I'll tell you what, man, I'm 

572
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,360
excited for what I'm looking 
like when I'm 78, you know, 

573
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,880
because I've been doing this for
so long. 

574
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,600
So like, you look at people like
Mark Sisson, he's kind of like 

575
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,920
the poster boy for looking 
healthy at a later age. 

576
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,760
It's like, man, I'm going to 
blow Mark Sisson out of the 

577
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,320
water. 
No disrespect to him, but like, 

578
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,800
I'm going to, I'm going to paint
a new narrative here. 

579
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,920
Dude I I turned 44 in a month 
I've never felt better. 

580
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,120
I think it's my best look ever 
and I love it because people 

581
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,040
think I'm on so much steroids. 
It's it's amazing. 

582
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,880
Like when I did the New York Pro
dude, I had people doing videos 

583
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,680
like fucking hating me. 
Like he's on way more than he 

584
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,000
says he's on. 
I'm like guys, I'm at that time.

585
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,680
I'm 43 years old, I have 3 kids,
I own multiple businesses. 

586
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,360
Why would I risk my health for a
fucking bodybuilding show like 

587
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,680
what you're? 
Walking around, Wait. 

588
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,400
So my SO right now I'm back up 
to to 12 1/2. 

589
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,720
So that's another thing. 
And I don't Photoshop because my

590
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,320
pictures will look much better 
if I Photoshop, right? 

591
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Like, so I don't know if it's 
because I'm so lean year round 

592
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:30,680
or whatever, but 212 at 5-7 and 
a quarter, it's not that big. 

593
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,000
Like these guys, Nick Walker's 
walking around at 3:10 at my 

594
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,080
height, shorter than me. 
So I'm like, no, I'm, I'm really

595
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,880
not that big. 
I'm just lean. 

596
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200
I'm conditioned. 
I've been training for 30 years,

597
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
man. 
I started training at 13 years 

598
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,240
old, never missed a day. 
So instead of training saying, 

599
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,160
wow, you know, that guy really 
trained a lot of years. 

600
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Like, Oh no, he's just been 
taking trends since he was 13 

601
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,520
years old. 
And I'm I'm sure you get the 

602
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,200
natty shit too. 
Yeah, it comes the territory 

603
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200
because like people want to hate
on what they don't have, you 

604
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,880
know? 
Like I've been competing. 

605
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,360
I've been training for I guess 
15-16 years now. 

606
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,880
My first show was in 2012. 
I've gotten consistently better 

607
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,160
each time I've stepped on stage 
and I've always been natural. 

608
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,480
But like people look at someone 
that's jacked and they just 

609
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,240
assume they're taking stuff 
because they're not one to put 

610
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,240
in the work and died hard enough
to reach that level of 

611
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480
conditioning. 
But like, I completed this last 

612
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,880
go round at, you know, one 
53155. 

613
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,880
I'm 5 seven and a half. 
So like if I'm 153 and I'm on a 

614
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,320
bunch of gear that I'm doing 
something wrong. 

615
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,080
You're way taller than me. 
You got me by 1/4 inch. 1/4 inch

616
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,640
is a lot in some places. 
You know, I'm saying, but I'll 

617
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
just wear Hocas. 
Those give me a good like half 

618
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,520
an inch man. 
There you go man. 

619
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,520
I tried those. 
They were like way too much 

620
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,360
cushion for myself. 
I dropped those out for sure. 

621
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,560
Man I was, but I bought 5 pairs 
in a row. 

622
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,400
I love them. 
That's that's my favorite shoe 

623
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,600
because they have that wide toe 
box, but they still have 

624
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,520
cushioning. 
I do like the white toe box. 

625
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,240
I switched all my footwear to 
wide toe box 0 drop shoes and my

626
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,720
feet feel way better because of 
it. 

627
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,960
Yeah, it's, you know what? 
I look at it this way like I'm, 

628
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,600
I'm totally honest. 
The problem I made the the 

629
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:18,680
mistake I made is in when I was 
27, my doctor put me on TRT and 

630
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,680
in 2013 I did when I got my Nava
pro card, I did do a all out 

631
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,240
cycle like I'm on. 
The problem is I was honest 

632
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,720
about it and now they're like, 
so they're like watch, just tell

633
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,280
us what you're doing. 
I'm like cool, here's what I'm 

634
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,120
doing. 
I'm on 150 milligrams of tests a

635
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,640
week and two, I use of HGH five 
days a week prescribed by my 

636
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,480
doctor. 
Here's my doctor's information 

637
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,360
in case you want to ask him. 
And then now people are telling 

638
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,000
me I'm lying because I told them
what I'm on, because I'm on 

639
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,960
more. 
So I'm like, I should have just 

640
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,800
said I'm natty or I mean, you 
can't win. 

641
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400
Like you're people are like, are
you natural? 

642
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,800
You're like, yes, they're like, 
no, you're not. 

643
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720
You're a liar. 
OK? 

644
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,680
And look, man, I mean, I 
literally took seven years off 

645
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,360
of bodybuilding to box and I 
couldn't lose muscle. 

646
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Like I was weight training like 
two or three days a week, just 

647
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,320
doing the basic compounds just 
to keep my strength. 

648
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,640
And I just didn't lose muscle. 
And I lost a little bit. 

649
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,160
But it came back really fast 
when I started training again 

650
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,000
for bodybuilding, like in two or
three months because I didn't 

651
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160
like, I wasn't sedentary, 
actually was still boxing and 

652
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
moving. 
But the Internet is a 

653
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,440
fascinating place where even 
when you tell the truth and it's

654
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,000
not the truth they want to hear,
they get really fucking mad. 

655
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,600
And then they come at you and 
they're just so ridiculously 

656
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,240
over the top. 
And I'll be real, if I wasn't 

657
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,800
married, I would probably do a 
lot of steroids, but my wife 

658
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,720
would never let me do that. 
I mean, my wife would be like, 

659
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,080
what are you doing? 
You're just going to lose again.

660
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,520
But you're going to take health 
risks. 

661
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Like, like, you're going to lose
anyway. 

662
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Might as well lose being health.
It's tough, man. 

663
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
The the Internet's ruthless man.
Like when we first started the 

664
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,280
business, like my wife and I are
poured our heart and soul into 

665
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,520
it. 
Lots of sleepless nights. 

666
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,600
We'd like sell out of inventory 
and people would just like RIP 

667
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,280
us a new one. 
So we didn't know what the hell 

668
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,760
we were talking about. 
And the same is true with 

669
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,440
natural bodybuilding. 
They all say I'm on gear. 

670
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,720
Like the internet's ruthless. 
But like, if you know your 

671
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000
intentions, if you know, if you 
know the truth, what you do 

672
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,560
because you're you, it's like 
you got to just let that shit 

673
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,280
roll off your back. 
Otherwise you just lose too much

674
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,560
sleep. 
Dude, it used to get to me so 

675
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,760
bad. 
I just like cry myself. 

676
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,360
I'm not going to lie. 
I cried because I'm like, why is

677
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,120
everybody so bad at me? 
And then it's like, whatever, 

678
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,320
you know, it, it is what it is. 
It's the Internet. 

679
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,440
We put ourselves out there. 
It's part of it, you know, and 

680
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,360
but I think we only see the 
negative. 

681
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,640
Like it could be 100 things of 
people saying thank you. 

682
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,240
But all we see is the part about
like, oh, you, you kick a little

683
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,760
dog. 
I'm like, I never kicked a dog. 

684
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,840
But then that kid that just, it 
hurts you, it hits you. 

685
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,520
And I don't think people 
understand because I'm not like,

686
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,240
I can speak for you. 
We're not like a real celebrity 

687
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,920
like Brad Pitt or like, so we 
don't have what they have. 

688
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,679
But in our micro world of our 
celebrity, just that little bit 

689
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,600
of negativity, it, it hurts, it 
sucks. 

690
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,560
It's like, why can't we all just
be nice to each other? 

691
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Like what? 
Why? 

692
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,960
Why do you have to find 
something negative about 

693
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,159
everything? 
And it's like you, you want to 

694
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,000
make the biggest impact. 
And it's frustrating when you 

695
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,239
recognize that most of the 
engagement occurs when there is 

696
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,920
an aura of negativity around it.
So it's almost like the 

697
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,639
algorithm, the the viewership, 
the view count is rewarding, 

698
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,360
negative over positive. 
And to me, it's just like, like,

699
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,960
I don't even want to pay that 
price. 

700
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960
Like I would rather not sell my 
soul, not do all these hate 

701
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,719
videos and just keep putting out
content. 

702
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,440
And then my loyal base of true, 
you know, true blue fans, like 

703
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,600
they're going to be there for me
through thick and thin. 

704
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,440
And that may mean that I don't 
grow to the extent that I could.

705
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,600
But like, if I don't have to 
sell my soul to the devil to do 

706
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,520
it, that's what I'll keep doing 
because then I can sleep easy at

707
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,680
night. 
So are you all in on this, on 

708
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,240
what you're doing now? 
Do you have a another job or? 

709
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,280
No, this, this is all it, man. 
So like we launched, I launched 

710
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,280
Keto Savage in 2016. 
I quit corporate, went to 

711
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,720
$250,000 in debt, was like 
depressed out of my mind. 

712
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,840
Started Keto Savage in 2016 with
the content, the coaching. 

713
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Then we launched Keto Brick in 
2018 and we've just been growing

714
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,360
everything organically ever 
since. 

715
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,120
So I haven't worked for the man,
so to speak, and since 2017 

716
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,400
probably. 
Yeah, that's there's there's The

717
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
thing is people don't understand
when you own a business, you 

718
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,000
never you never work for 
yourself. 

719
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,680
You're always working for your 
consumers. 

720
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,240
You're working to pay your 
taxes. 

721
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Yeah, I mean you there's no 
freedom in owning a business. 

722
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Like it is the most corporate 
working in the corporate world 

723
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,840
is actually, I can argue it is 
the most freedom you'll ever 

724
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,680
have working for yourself. 
It's a prison. 

725
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,800
It literally like, yeah, you get
to do your own thing, but like 

726
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,440
there's just so like, when's the
last time you had a weekend off?

727
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,080
I couldn't tell you man. 
Like I went down to the farm, I 

728
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,680
got a family farm. 
It's been in our family for like

729
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,240
5 generations. 
I went down there this past 

730
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,760
weekend to like do some hunting,
do some work. 

731
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,320
And I, I didn't have Internet 
service down there. 

732
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600
So I was there for 2 1/2 days, 1
1/2 days, and I was able to 

733
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,120
disconnect a little bit for that
window. 

734
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
But even then, like I'm checking
emails, I'm making sure 

735
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880
everything's, you know, done 
from a production, production 

736
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,560
standpoint, I'm making sure 
everything's, you know, solid. 

737
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,440
So I've never had this like 
clock out mentality where it's 

738
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,080
just like, I'm done with it. 
I can't tell you the last time. 

739
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,440
That was probably when I was 
with corporate. 

740
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,920
And that'll be, that'd be 
awesome. 

741
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Like I made, we went to, we 
hiked the Northeast this summer 

742
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,080
and it was like, I would get up 
before everybody got up, go down

743
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,800
to the hotel lobby, catch up. 
And then after we get done with 

744
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400
the day, I'd take time during 
the day to get some stuff done. 

745
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,440
I'd, I'd, I'd be on all my 
calls, 'cause we have board 

746
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,720
meetings and shit during the 
day. 

747
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,560
So I don't know. 
It's, I don't know. 

748
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
I like my brother did it. 
He, so he works. 

749
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,880
He's, he's, he does really well.
He's a senior VP digital 

750
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,360
marketing, multiple companies, 
but like he takes vacations. 

751
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,480
It's wild. 
I'm like, you mean you don't 

752
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,280
have to do anything. 
You have an assistant or what? 

753
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,760
That must be awesome, but I 
don't know, it's, there's 

754
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,960
something to be said. 
I mean, you're, you're obviously

755
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,040
the message you're getting out 
is helping so many people fight,

756
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,640
you know, and, and I mean, type 
2 diabetes is treatable, 

757
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,840
preventable, and I can argue 
curable. 

758
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,480
Of course, talk to your doctor. 
I'm not a doctor, but what what 

759
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,600
we do from a health and fitness 
standpoint, I mean, people look 

760
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,360
at it like, oh, you just want to
make money. 

761
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,720
Well, yeah, we we need to keep 
the lights on. 

762
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,040
Like we need to sell something. 
But how many people do you think

763
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,160
you've helped come off of 
medication? 

764
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,000
I'm sure it's hundreds. 
Yeah, I mean, there's no way 

765
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,800
that I could even quantify it. 
Like, I mean, they may have, 

766
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,280
they may have never even 
purchased from me and they may 

767
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,920
just have heard something on the
podcast and they're just in the 

768
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,760
background living a healthier 
life because of it. 

769
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,960
But I get emails every single 
day about how something I've 

770
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
said, done, or promoted has 
impacted their life for the 

771
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,440
better. 
And I keep an e-mail folder of 

772
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040
all those positive comments that
when I get inundated with 

773
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,880
negativity, I can open one of 
those up. 

774
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,120
But OK, I am doing what my 
calling is in the world, you 

775
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,240
know? 
That's the best. 

776
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560
I mean, that is, that is 
fantastic, man. 

777
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Man, that's, that's so you've 
been around. 

778
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,160
You started this in 2016. 
What'd you do at corporate 

779
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960
America before this? 
So after I graduated college, I 

780
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,120
got hooked on with the railroad.
So I was a train master for the 

781
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Burlington and Santa Fe 
Railroad, basically managing the

782
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,960
engineers and conductors in 
Spokane, WA. 

783
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,360
That's what my, my girlfriend is
now my wife. 

784
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,760
And you know, I knew that I 
always wanted to do something 

785
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,360
entrepreneurial. 
I was trying to get into real 

786
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,760
estate. 
I was trying to, you know, drop 

787
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,800
ship and do all these things. 
And then I'm like, you know 

788
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,880
what? 
I'm passionate about fitness, 

789
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,840
nutrition, The ketogenic diets 
made a positive impact in my 

790
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,920
life. 
I feel like I could do the same 

791
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,360
for others. 
I'm just going to go all in on 

792
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,360
that and make that where I 
create my value and that's what 

793
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,600
I've done. 
Man, ketogenic, you know, keto 

794
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,880
for peeking for a show is 
fascinating. 

795
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,920
Yeah, that's just fascinating. 
Well, there's, there's so much, 

796
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,480
there's so much negativity from 
a, a competitive standpoint 

797
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,920
because kind of like Western 
medicine, like the people that 

798
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,240
compete are so steeped in 
nutritional dogma, you know, 

799
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,160
flexible dieting, if it fits 
your macros. 

800
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,760
There's just a lot of, you know,
incorrect information out there.

801
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640
And for me, it's like, yes, the 
ketogenic diet can obviously be 

802
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,920
applicable for those that need 
to get healthy, doesn't need to 

803
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,760
improve their diabetes, cure 
their diabetes, but there's not 

804
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,000
really anybody that I was aware 
of at the time, especially using

805
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,040
a full performance athletics and
optimizing for bodybuilding 

806
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
show. 
So it's like, if I can do that, 

807
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
if I can improve my relationship
with food, that's where I think 

808
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,440
a lot of people go astray. 
That's what appeals to a lot of 

809
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,520
people is they have these 
massive eating disorders. 

810
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,560
I had one and it's it's honestly
more so the norm than not in the

811
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,000
bodybuilding space. 
And a lot of it stems from 

812
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,320
eating heavily processed food 
that people feel addicted to and

813
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,960
then have guilt around eating. 
Whereas like with me, I eat 

814
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,200
quality food. 365 days a year, 
every day, every year. 

815
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,960
And I don't have that guilt 
associated with it. 

816
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,320
I know that I'm feeling my body 
properly and I improve my 

817
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,800
relationship with food as a 
result. 

818
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,800
And if I can help other 
competitors do that, they get 

819
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,600
their life back. 
Well, let's talk about flexible 

820
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,520
dieting. 
I will argue that it did more 

821
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,160
harm than good. 
Now it did teach us about 

822
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,760
calories and calories out right.
Alberto Nunez, he good friend of

823
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,440
mine, we guessed those together 
before, a natural legend, but he

824
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,320
showed that you can get 
obscenely shredded on Pop Tarts.

825
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160
That was a were you? 
Are you old enough to remember 

826
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,760
the Pop Tart era? 
Oh, yeah. 

827
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Oh, yeah. 
Oh. 

828
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,720
Jesus Christ. 
But the problem is it normalized

829
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,120
fitting bullshit food into your 
macros. 

830
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,800
And while I will argue that 
calories and calories are is the

831
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,840
most important part of dieting, 
there's more to it. 

832
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,720
There's hormones, there's 
health, there's so many things. 

833
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,800
So I would argue that flexible 
dieting got us to kind of look 

834
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,880
away from the whole purpose of 
eating and that's to sustain a 

835
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,760
healthy lifestyle. 
And unfortunately, with flexible

836
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,440
dieting, you had people 
literally cutting out healthy 

837
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,640
foods so they can fit in a Pop 
Tart or a Snickers bar at the 

838
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,720
end of the day. 
And I think the best way to diet

839
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,000
is to start with a lifestyle 
first. 

840
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,280
Like let's make those positive 
changes in your food choices. 

841
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,280
Let's make those positive 
changes maybe going from a 

842
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Snickers bar to a sweet potato, 
right? 

843
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Let's let's make those minor 
changes, maybe put some. 

844
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,840
Have you ever put peanut butter 
or a sweet potato? 

845
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,680
I know you're not into this, but
like I'll take a sweet potato 

846
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,400
with peanut butter in it over a 
Snickers bar. 

847
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,280
So you do things, slight 
changes, more satiating, so many

848
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
micronutrients. 
What is there 600 milligrams of 

849
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,520
potassium and a freaking sweet 
potato? 

850
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,920
Like it's crazy healthy, but 
instead we said, Oh well, you 

851
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,920
get shredded, you get shredded 
and you just have to control 

852
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,840
your calories. 
So you have people dieting on 

853
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,120
1000 calories because obviously 
you can't eat as much because 

854
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,320
it's not a satiating. 
They're hungry as hell, but they

855
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,320
could dump their pop tart at the
end of the day, which accounts 

856
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,600
for 80 carbohydrates. 
And like, it's nuts, you can get

857
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,400
shredded on any diet. 
It's been proven time and time 

858
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,600
again. 
But like, being shredded is not 

859
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,240
equate to being healthy. 
And you look, a lot of these 

860
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,360
people that used to compete that
no longer do and they're still 

861
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,000
struggling with, you know, 
diabetes or some form of, you 

862
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,440
know, ailment or metabolic 
syndrome. 

863
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,920
It's like if I can bypass that 
by, you know, living of the 

864
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,880
morals and values that I've done
throughout my competitive season

865
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,000
and and extend that into 
perpetuity, it's like that just 

866
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360
seems like a better play long 
term. 

867
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,920
And if you have a long game 
approach to it, it's hard to 

868
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,680
justify eating a bunch of 
nonsense, you know? 

869
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,760
Well, we, I, I, I get that 
question like, how do you stay 

870
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,280
lean year round? 
It's like if you're eating a 

871
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,080
whole natural foods, it's really
hard to get fat. 

872
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,480
It's just no one ever got fat 
off of chicken and broccoli. 

873
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,840
Nobody. 
It's just, it's, it's 

874
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,920
impossible. 
You can't do it. 

875
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,880
You might not get shredded 
eating Whole Foods like, but if 

876
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,400
you're eating the basics, the 
Amish, they have the lowest 

877
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,200
obesity rate in our entire 
population. 

878
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Why do you think that is? 
'Cause they don't eat all the 

879
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,360
bullshit. 
They don't eat the bullshit. 

880
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,960
It's it's not rocket science, 
but yet, you know, And what was 

881
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,560
the old badge? 
Shop the perimeter at the 

882
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,960
grocery store. 
Yeah, what's crazy to me is that

883
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,160
like, I was like I said, I was 
at my farm this past weekend. 

884
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,840
You know, I got my family there 
and I love them all to death. 

885
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,200
But like, one of the guys 
overweight, he pulls out like a 

886
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,400
freaking massive gallon Ziploc 
bag full of all his pills and 

887
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,960
prescription. 
She's on, you know, metformin, 

888
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,920
you know, cholesterol drugs, 
statin, like everything. 

889
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,440
And he's like having that right 
after he gets done eating a 

890
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,360
whole bunch of like, apple pie 
or something like that. 

891
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,920
It's like, man, you can totally 
bypass all this by just simply 

892
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,840
cleaning up a few things and 
changing your lifestyle. 

893
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,280
But people, I don't know if they
just are too ignorant to connect

894
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,640
those dots or if they're 
unwilling to make a change or if

895
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,720
they're just so ingrained in 
their thinking or they're just 

896
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,960
simply addicted to those foods. 
But to me it seems like that is 

897
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,920
not a worthwhile price to pay. 
The dopamine reaction from 

898
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,200
eating those foods is, is quite,
quite, it's quite significant. 

899
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
So I mean, you look at porn, 
well, don't look at porn. 

900
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,040
That's the whole point. 
If you, if you take into account

901
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,120
porn and anything that that is 
addictive, there's that dopamine

902
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,040
response like even picking up 
your phone and that gives you 

903
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,240
that little hit of dopamine. 
So food is definitely addictive 

904
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,640
and you know, when you and and 
talk about like hunting, bring 

905
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,600
it back to what you said 
earlier, like it's different 

906
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
when you go to achieve something
like winning a championship, 

907
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,920
playing the whole season, just 
get that dope. 

908
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,600
When you get of winning the 
Super Bowl, that's different 

909
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,720
than just winning the lottery, 
right? 

910
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,800
Like you earned it. 
You, you haunted that food, you 

911
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,080
got it. 
But dopamine is so easy to come 

912
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,960
by now between phones and porn 
and this and that, whereas 

913
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,760
people don't earn their 
dopamine. 

914
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,400
Like working out like that is 
something you earn. 

915
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,400
It's something you do. 
It's something that you, you 

916
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,200
grind to get that feeling. 
But when dopamine is just you, 

917
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,960
you get addicted to that HIT. 
And it's so easy to grab a bag 

918
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,760
of potato chips and get that 
dopamine hit that you lose the 

919
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,880
whole connection to why am I 
eating this food? 

920
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Yeah, it's for. 
I mean, you know, even Kita, you

921
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,720
enjoy your food. 
I'm sure you enjoy steak and 

922
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,640
bacon and all that. 
But you're eating it and you 

923
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040
know it's doing something good. 
You know it's doing something 

924
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,000
good for you. 
Whereas if you're just eating a 

925
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,960
candy bar or a potato chip, you 
know it's not good for you, but 

926
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,400
you're getting that immediate 
dopamine hit of all those 

927
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,600
chemicals they produce those 
things with that provide that 

928
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,800
sensory feedback that provides 
the dopamine explosion in your 

929
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,960
body. 
Yeah, delayed gratification, 

930
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,280
man. 
It all boils down to delayed 

931
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,760
gratification. 
Yeah, you can have that bag of 

932
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,320
potato chips now and feel great 
for the moment, but then you're 

933
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,840
going to have that guilt 
associated with it, and it's 

934
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,560
certainly not serving your body 
for any good. 

935
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,280
But it's like for me, my 
superpower is doing things every

936
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,440
single day that compound over 
time. 

937
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,680
You know, like most bodybuilders
have that ingrained in them in 

938
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,680
some form or fashion. 
So like once you have that sense

939
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,640
of delay, gratification and you 
play that long game, it makes it

940
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,000
so much easier to adhere to the 
habits and protocols that you 

941
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,240
put into place. 
We like, there's 8 billion of us

942
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,400
on this planet. 
We all want to have six pack abs

943
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,640
and look good naked, yet so few 
of us do the habit. 

944
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,320
We don't rise to the level of 
our ambitions, we fall to the 

945
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,640
level of our habits and 
routines. 

946
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,000
And once you live your life with
that philosophy, it's easier to 

947
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,040
recognize what you should or 
should not do. 

948
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Man, that you put that very 
well. 

949
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,280
Like people say they don't want 
ABS. 

950
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,640
Oh, that's nasty. 
Shut up. 

951
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,280
Yeah, shut up. 
You know, You know, you know 

952
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,840
what I love about Ozempic? 
It showed that the whole fat 

953
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,600
positivity thing was just 
bullshit, 'cause now that 

954
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,760
everybody can just take a pill 
and lose weight, it basically 

955
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,120
stops your digestion. 
It's hard that this look, the 

956
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:12,440
the class action lawsuits and 
side effects from Ozempic and 

957
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,320
GLP ones. 
It's going to be so astronomical

958
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,640
that you guys just, I don't 
think people see it coming 

959
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,400
because it causes gastroparesis.
I've met three people locally 

960
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,400
now. 
This is just in my circle, just,

961
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,440
you know, moms of coaches of 
football teams and stuff like 

962
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,320
that where they have had long 
term effects that are going to 

963
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,720
plate them. 
They're not going to correct it 

964
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,600
for the next year or two because
it's your gut where literally 

965
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,480
food gets caught in your stomach
and it just kind of ferments and

966
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,800
it just sits there because it 
literally slows digestion and 

967
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,480
makes you so nauseous that you 
can't eat. 

968
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,320
That's how this thing works. 
And yet people are taking it 

969
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,880
because they can lose weight, 
but at the same time they're not

970
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,080
allowed to. 
They're not able to eat, so 

971
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,920
they're not even enough protein,
so they're losing muscle, so 

972
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,440
they look frail. 
They have that. 

973
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,440
That Ozempic face we just call 
prep face now. 

974
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,040
They got it too. 
It's called Ozempic face and 

975
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,320
it's just, it's fascinating that
everybody's like, oh, no body 

976
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,720
positivity. 
And then as soon as there's a 

977
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,600
pill that comes out, whatever 
happened to being proud and fat?

978
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,800
Even Lizo is getting shredded 
now. 

979
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,640
Yeah, it is crazy man. 
And like there may be definitely

980
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,360
use case scenario where it makes
sense, but people don't 

981
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000
understand metabolism at all. 
They don't recognize it. 

982
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,040
If you don't eat, yes, you will 
lose weight, but your metabolism

983
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,440
will down regulate to follow 
suit. 

984
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,920
And if you have, if you're 
taking in 500 calories a day, 

985
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,920
like a lot of these people are 
taking Ozempic ore, then they're

986
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,920
not going to be able to perform.
They're going to lose lean 

987
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,240
tissue so that when they do 
start eating again, if they ever

988
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,960
cycle off of it, their 
composition is going to be far 

989
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,320
worse than when they started. 
And like, people need to 

990
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,840
recognize that. 
You know how big Ozempic is. 

991
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,680
So I'm at a retail conference 
because with Ambrosia Planta, 

992
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,440
we're in, you know, Sprouts and 
a lot of grocery stores. 

993
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,640
So we're meeting with these big 
accounts, Every single one of 

994
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,680
them is looking for shit to take
alongside GLP ones. 

995
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,240
That's their main hunt. 
They're looking for proteins. 

996
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,480
They're looking for other 
things, electrolytes to go 

997
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
alongside that. 
People aren't able to eat what 

998
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,640
GLP wants. 
It's become so big now BC rates 

999
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,720
are dropping in America. 
They are dropping and that's 

1000
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,200
great. 
And obesity is the number one 

1001
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,760
comorbidity. 
I'm all for it. 

1002
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,200
But what other issues are gonna 
come up? 

1003
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,440
What does it do to the heart 
long term? 

1004
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,560
What does it do to your 
digestive system, your small 

1005
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,600
intestine, your large intestine?
Your colon doesn't increase 

1006
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,000
because you have food. 
Just sitting there doesn't 

1007
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,680
increase your your 
predisposition for colon cancer.

1008
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,160
There's so many things that we 
don't know because joking was 

1009
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,000
been, oh, it's been used for 
years in diabetics. 

1010
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,080
Yeah. 
At about 120th the dose for 

1011
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,600
diabetics, GOP ones are this big
for to for weight loss, it's 

1012
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,000
this big of a dose. 
Yeah, it's, it's kind of like 

1013
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,360
lottery, like you mentioned 
earlier, the people that don't 

1014
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,040
have the right habits, routines 
in place to build and manage 

1015
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,400
their money, they win the 
lottery within years. 

1016
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,400
They're bankrupt. 
The people that are taking all 

1017
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,200
these Olympic drugs to lose 
weight, you know, they can't, 

1018
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,000
they don't have their the habits
in place to be able to maintain 

1019
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,160
that. 
So like, it's going to crash and

1020
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,920
burn on them. 
And like people, people just got

1021
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,800
to play the long game. 
People got to build the habits 

1022
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,560
in place that actually lead to 
the success, the true success, 

1023
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,000
the lasting success. 
Dude, yes, see, that's the 

1024
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,960
thing. 
I think if there's one thing to 

1025
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,320
take home from this, this this 
conversation is 1 is I could 

1026
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,760
talk to you for about 12 hours. 
I got so much, so much. 

1027
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,480
I mean, first of all, you're 
smart, like you get it. 

1028
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,400
And but you're, you're also not 
crazy. 

1029
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,680
Does that make sense? 
Like some, some, some carnivore 

1030
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,280
people have taken it to the 
extreme. 

1031
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Like they're just nuts. 
I even Sean Baker's like, that's

1032
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,000
not me, man. 
Those people are crazy. 

1033
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,120
And he's the one who called it. 
He literally named the fucking 

1034
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,280
diet. 
He's like, these people are 

1035
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,480
nuts. 
They're crazy. 

1036
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,560
Well, they over sensationalize 
things for sure. 

1037
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,280
Yeah, but that's how you sell 
books. 

1038
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,720
Maybe you should over 
sensationalize. 

1039
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,480
You should change the name of 
this to do keto or you're going 

1040
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,520
to die. 
Carps cause cancer. 

1041
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,520
You know, there's other, I'll 
get you to my marketing people. 

1042
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,040
We'll get you done, we'll get 
you good. 

1043
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,520
But yeah, sensationalism sells, 
right. 

1044
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,880
So it's, it's just it's profound
that I think the take home from 

1045
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:29,760
everything is protein is good, 
fat is good for some people, 

1046
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,040
carbohydrates can be, if you're 
going to choose to eat 

1047
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,040
carbohydrate, which by the way, 
you don't need, it's not 

1048
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,520
essential. 
There's only two essential 

1049
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,120
nutrients, essential fatty acids
and essential amino acids. 

1050
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,080
But if you do choose to eat 
carbohydrate, eat it as close to

1051
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,680
its whole natural source as 
possible. 

1052
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,160
Yep Yep. 
And again, I mean most people 

1053
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,320
are not weight training. 
Like you don't need to carb up 

1054
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,760
in order to do the laundry and 
clean the house. 

1055
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,160
You know, yeah, if I didn't, if 
I didn't train the way I do and 

1056
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,000
coach, there's no way I would be
on a carb inclusive diet. 

1057
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,960
They just, unless I felt like, 
unless I'm like, I, I just feel 

1058
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,560
like eating a cookie, you know, 
then I'm like, OK, I'm gonna 

1059
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,480
have a cookie. 
But you don't need to have 

1060
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,720
glucose to do everyday 
activities. 

1061
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,560
You just don't. 
And I can argue you don't need 

1062
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,960
it for any activity. 
The studies on performance and 

1063
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,320
ketogenesis being subpar, yeah, 
I guess. 

1064
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,560
I mean, there there is data on 
that, but there's also data that

1065
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,000
shows the opposite. 
It's just a matter of what you 

1066
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,560
want to cherry pick to prove 
your argument. 

1067
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,880
Yeah, exactly. 
And the unfortunate thing is 

1068
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,960
that most of the studies that 
look at performance with 

1069
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,760
ketogenic diets are taking a 
study a population size that 

1070
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,880
have been doing it for two 
weeks. 

1071
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,360
You know like yeah, you can be 
producing ketones in two days, 

1072
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,840
but that does not mean the 
metabolic pathways are in place 

1073
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,880
to efficiently use those as a 
fuel substrate for performance. 

1074
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Like look at people have been 
doing it for six months or 

1075
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,400
better, not 2 weeks. 
How long would you say it takes 

1076
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,480
to become fat adapted? 
I mean, I know it's going to be 

1077
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,880
independent like some people 
like me who's very metabolically

1078
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,560
healthy would would probably 
take less time than Susie who 

1079
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,880
weight trains at lifetime two 
days a week, right? 

1080
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,920
So what would you say would be 
the average range of becoming 

1081
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,840
fat adapted? 
From a cognition standpoint, 

1082
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,080
people would be able to tell the
difference in two weeks for sure

1083
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,320
or or less. 
But from like a athletic 

1084
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,920
performance standpoint with 
lifting metrics and endurance 

1085
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,200
while training, I always 
encourage people to give it at 

1086
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,560
least a solid six months. 
Like it may be sooner than that,

1087
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,120
but you can't really look at the
data 1 to one looking like a 

1088
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,400
bench, bench press performance 
metrics with carbs versus with 

1089
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,080
keto until you've been doing it 
for ample time for your body to 

1090
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,560
build up those metabolic 
pathways. 

1091
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,160
And again, like, think about it 
this way, like people who get to

1092
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,080
like £350, but they want to, my 
goal is to get to 200 by summer 

1093
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,680
and it's January. 
I'm like, bro, you didn't get 

1094
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,840
that fat that quick. 
Like it's not going to come off 

1095
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,760
that quick. 
And your body does adapt. 

1096
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,000
And I, I, and again, there's, I 
said this for so many years, 

1097
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,760
like there's only two essential 
macro nutrients, carbohydrate, 

1098
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,000
that's the wild card. 
That's the one you don't need to

1099
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,600
survive because your body can 
produce energy from ketones and 

1100
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,960
it can also derive from 
gluconeogenesis, It can derive 

1101
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,280
glucose. 
So carbohydrate is the optional,

1102
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,320
yeah. 
Right. 

1103
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,640
And think about like there's. 
One, there's a couple ways to 

1104
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,120
look at that. 
We're born relatively ketotic, 

1105
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,200
like breast milk. 
Yes, there are some carbs in 

1106
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,440
breast milk, but I mean it's 
also a very fatty profile. 

1107
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,600
So like we're pretty much 
ketotic at birth and then 

1108
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,160
shortly after birth we're 
inundated with like all the, the

1109
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,840
pureed fruits and nutrient void 
nonsense, all the formula fed 

1110
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,560
nonsense. 
So like from a very early age 

1111
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,440
we're we've become glucose 
dependent. 

1112
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,400
So most people spend the 
majority of their life in that 

1113
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,040
glucose independent state. 
The notion that they can just 

1114
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,600
switch their fuel substrate on a
dime, you know, that that's not 

1115
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,440
realistic. 
Like you have to build that up. 

1116
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,840
So yeah, there's there's like 
our son we had like my wife was 

1117
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,800
ketogenic all throughout her 
pregnancy, all throughout 

1118
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,080
breastfeeding. 
He's been totally ketogenic. 

1119
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,520
He's 2 1/2 years old now. 
He's breaking all the metrics 

1120
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,520
from a growth chart standpoint. 
And I mean, obviously I think 

1121
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,800
he's the best world because he's
my son. 

1122
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,040
But like he'll, he'll be next to
other people that are 2 1/2 

1123
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,320
years old and he's got more, you
know, bone density. 

1124
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,880
He's better built. 
Like he just looks healthier. 

1125
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,680
You know, it's like if you feed 
yourself the right food, real 

1126
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,360
food, from the onset, you're 
going to outperform those that 

1127
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,400
don't. 
Yeah, I can argue that's one of 

1128
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,800
the reasons my kids, even though
they're not ketogenic, I, I 

1129
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,800
think you know, do you know I'm 
St. 

1130
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,720
Brown, the wide receiver on the 
Detroit Lions. 

1131
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,200
I. 
Don't know him personally, no. 

1132
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,560
So, well, I mean know of him so 
his dad was a pro bodybuilder, 

1133
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,880
John Brown, one of the greatest 
pro body. 

1134
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,000
He was amazing. 
So he did he has a podcast. 

1135
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,520
He was saying how you know, kids
need more protein because 

1136
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,080
they're developing, they're 
growing. 

1137
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,120
But if you look at what kids eat
like I deal with I, I only I'm 

1138
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,280
actually in 10 minutes, I got to
go. 

1139
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,640
I one of my kids is he tore his 
ACL before he came to us. 

1140
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,120
So we got him coming back like 8
weeks before he should. 

1141
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,800
So I'm going to his doctor's 
appointment. 

1142
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,880
But so these kids go out and 
they're developing and they're 

1143
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,080
growing, but their diets are 
absolute trash. 

1144
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,880
They're getting maybe .3G of 
protein per pound of body weight

1145
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,680
when they should probably be 
closer to 222 grams per pound. 

1146
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,720
So my kids have always been at 
around 1.5 to 2G. 

1147
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,160
Obviously don't measure their 
food. 

1148
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,440
We're not Nazis like that. 
But like, you know, my kids 

1149
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,160
start every day with 50 grams of
protein. 

1150
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,120
You know, they, they get going. 
And I think one thing we have is

1151
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,240
we have protein deficiency. 
We have too much all to process 

1152
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,000
foods. 
And that's why our kids are the 

1153
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,680
way they are. 
We're seeing injuries in sports 

1154
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,920
that they didn't exist when we 
were kids. 

1155
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:57,280
Like I see more weird injuries. 
Like I know it's labrum tier 

1156
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,160
tears. 
I've seen more of those since I 

1157
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,000
started coaching than I've ever 
seen. 

1158
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,640
I didn't even know if that 
existed till I was an adult. 

1159
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,320
We never had those when I was a 
kid. 

1160
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:07,720
Football, baseball, no one tore 
a labrum. 

1161
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,400
I've seen like 12 of them this 
year. 

1162
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,000
So there's something going on 
where our kids are malnourished 

1163
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,520
and I do think protein and lack 
of protein and the overuse of 

1164
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,080
ultra processed foods is the 
reason these kids think Taco 

1165
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,840
Bell is is a is a a logical food
choice. 

1166
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,520
Yeah, I mean like it. 
I don't know, man, when you, 

1167
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400
when you're a parent as you are,
as I am, it's like you can't 

1168
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,600
help but judge some of the stuff
that you see parents feed their.

1169
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,520
Kids, I judge everybody. 
Yeah, And I don't want to come 

1170
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,080
across as negative, but it's 
like, look, that kid relies on 

1171
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,120
you to feed him or her, and 
you're feeding them totally 

1172
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,760
nutritionally to void nonsense 
like that is going to impact 

1173
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,800
their brain development, that's 
going to impact their skeletal 

1174
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
structure, like it's impacting 
every the testosterone. 

1175
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,960
Yeah, setting the foundation for
the rest of their life. 

1176
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,560
Dude, the testosterone levels of
dudes in their 20s now are equal

1177
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,680
to the testosterone levels of 
dudes in their 70s in the 80s. 

1178
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,240
Look at it that way. 
And I'm look, man, we can look 

1179
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,960
at microplastics this that the 
third look at the end of the 

1180
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,920
day, here's what I think. 
I think that kids, one is 

1181
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,520
they're not active enough, and 
two is that their diets are full

1182
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,760
of auto process junk and they 
don't get enough protein, so 

1183
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,120
they're naturally going to have 
lower testosterone levels. 

1184
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Yeah. 
And then they end up voting 

1185
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,760
Democrat. 
I love it, I love it. 

1186
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Well listen man, I know you got 
a doctor's appointment. 

1187
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,120
As you said, we could talk for 
12 hours left to do a follow up 

1188
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,280
Round 2 for sure. 
Oh, dude, I need, I need like 

1189
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,080
five of these. 
Man. 

1190
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,960
I could talk to you all day. 
Let's do it, man. 

1191
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,240
But what's? 
Fascinating. 

1192
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Where can people go to find out 
more about you? 

1193
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,400
Well, tigerfitness.com is my 
website, so we need to talk 

1194
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,840
about getting the keto brick on 
there. 

1195
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,600
I don't know if you do do B to B
sales, but I think it would fit.

1196
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,480
So yeah, tigerfitness.com on 
socialmediayoutube.com/tiger 

1197
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,960
Fitness and at Lowblinder TVI 
have two channels and then on 

1198
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,560
social media it's at Mark Globe,
Blinder, MARCLOBLINER and what 

1199
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,200
is yours for my people. 
Keto Savage for me, Keto brick 

1200
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,400
ketobodybuilding.com for the 
course I just launched. 

1201
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,680
But yeah, Keto brick. 
Keto Savage. 

1202
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Keto Bodybuilding. 
Awesome man. 

1203
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,840
Well, let's do this. 
I definitely we need to do a 

1204
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,160
follow up. 
This is fantastic. 100% man, 

1205
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,080
we'll do it for sure brother 
all. 

1206
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,360
Right brother, have a good rest 
of your day. 

1207
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,280
See you Mark. 
Take care all. 

1208
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:24,080
Right later.