What's going on, ladies and gents?
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com Today I've got special guest
Mark Lowbliner on the line. I've been following Mark online
for who knows how long. I remember seeing his stuff
several years ago when I was first getting into the
bodybuilding space. So he's been around for a
minute. He's got some great content.
He's the owner of Tiger Fitness and we just wanted to jump on
and talk shop. We talked about ketogenic
dieting, we talked about carbohydrate inclusive dieting.
We talked about flexible dieting, talked about longevity
and how to build the right habits and routines to set you
up for success long term. We talked about it was Zimpick
Wygovy, all these weight loss drugs and we just talked about
life. We talked about business little
bits. Great conversation.
We're definitely going to do a follow up around 234, who knows
how many because it was just so much more to cover.
But until we do those, enjoy this one Sit back relax drill
podcast with Mark Loebliner and we are live.
Mark, how are you, brother? I'm doing freaking fantastic
dude. It's good to be on here.
I I just, I'm so glad I got like aware of your stuff.
Like your book is insane. This is if anybody wants to know
about applying keto to anything beyond just curing ailments
'cause I believe that the clinical aspect of ketogenic
diets are awesome. And the problem is applying it
to athletics. IF you can apply it to
athletics. And I think that becomes
dependent a lot on the person, their metabolism, the sport
they're doing. But you know, what I love about
it is it applies the different needs of athletes than let's say
to a normal sedentary individual, to which I believe
the ketogenic diet is probably superior.
The sedentary individual who's not burning glucose, hell,
they're not burning much of anything.
And it also eliminates their chances to eat a lot of really
bad food that'll cause syndromex, that'll cause
inflammation. I think that it's phenomenal
that we're delving into anything beyond the clinical application
of keto because the more we look at keto for other things, the
more it can be used towards normal clinical or lifestyle
adaptations for the diet. Yeah, 100% agreement.
Like I started doing keto almost a decade ago now.
And what excites me about it is all the research coming out
about like type 3 diabetes and it's prevention against
Alzheimer's dementia, which is awesome.
But I'm an athlete that's 33 years old, so I'm not worried
about Alzheimer's dementia in this chapter in my life.
But if I can adopt A diet that's going to set me up for success
from a longevity standpoint, and I can get leaner and perform
better than I ever did with carbs, it seems like a win win
to me. Yeah, I mean, I've tried keto
multiple times. I I am one of those weird
metabolisms. I churn through everything.
So the amount of food I have to eat on keto and keto's weird
carnivore keto in that it appears I can eat an unlimited
amount of calories and lose weight at an unprecedented rate.
And that's something beyond the normal calories in, calories
out. And the science doesn't back it
up. But when we do the studies, it's
normally on sedentary individuals.
We don't know if they're actually adhering to the diets.
So when you do a study and you even have placebo, this that and
the third, like adherence is an issue when you design these
studies from personal anecdote, I can tell you that I can eat a
lot more on a ketogenic diet and lose weight.
And that is what's really fascinating.
I would, I would guess I could probably eat 40 to 50% more on
ketogenic diet with the same rate of fat loss as I would get
on a standard mixed diet. Have you seen that a lot?
Yeah, like I can. I mean when I'm getting really
aggressive with my caloric intake, like I bulked up to 230
lbs before I was keto with carbohydrates.
So I was eating 6000 calories a day at that point, bulked up to
2:30. I just got done eating 6000
calories per months on the end with keto, and the heaviest I
could get was 200 lbs. So I do believe in the, you
know, calories in calories out equation from like a
mathematical standpoint, but I think once you become fully fat
adapted, which does not happen overnight.
And another argument against those studies is that they're
all done very short term studies.
But like, once you've deeply become fat adapted, your ability
to metabolize your consumption is heightened and improved, so
you're burning more calories than than not, all else equal.
So yes, calories still apply. Like if I eat 6000 calories, you
know, I'm not as lean as I am now eating less than 6000
calories, but the metabola, the metabolic rate of that
consumption is wildly different, if that makes sense.
It's it's absolutely astounding. And I do believe there are some
people who can really do well tapping into both fat and
glucoses energy. And one thing I'm really
fascinated with are supplemental PHP because I believe that will
give you some of the benefits of being in ketosis, of being on a
low carbohydrate diet because you got to realize that that
ketones, exogenous ketones, endogenous ketones, wherever you
get them, your brain really likes ketones.
If you've ever been on a ketogenic diet, it just seems
like your brain is operating better.
And that could be from a lot of things.
It could be from avoiding the blood sugar ups and downs before
avoiding the insulin ups and downs.
But if you've ever truly been in ketosis, it feels like your
brain is being fueled. And I get that same thing from
the BHPS, the exogenous ketones. They have the LBHPS, they have
the B, the RBHP, They got these different forms of BHPS now.
And my good friend, actually, he's a, he's the guy who wants a
patent on him. And I've been using a lot of BH
BS. And I find that when not in
ketosis, when not on a ketogenic or a lower carb diet, that it
gives me a lot of the brain benefits of being in ketosis.
And have you ever supplemented with BH BS?
Yeah, I played around that. I mean I don't ever really
introduce carbs anymore, but I played around the exogenous
ketones and I'll use them to some extent.
But like the the fact that ketones, whether supplemental or
endogenous can cross the blood brain barrier and fuel the brain
is one of the main reasons I did because I'm in a deficit.
Like I did 5 competitions last year.
I got down a 3.9% body fat. Having done that in the past
with carbohydrates, I felt like a zombie.
Most competitors feel like zombies.
The last month and a half, two months strip, I was still
functioning at a high rate with all my podcasts and business
responsibilities and I never felt like I was depleted in that
sense. So yeah, the cognitive benefit
alone is the reason I stick with it.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a huge benefit.
It's a, it's a definite huge benefit.
I haven't gotten into the book. It's obviously I, this is like,
I I think this is bigger than the Bible.
I really do. Maybe not quite big in the
Bible, but it's pretty big. 440 pages.
Yeah, it's a beast. It's a beast.
So how do you now the peak of the bodybuilding competition?
This is me asking you. So to peek for a bodybuilding
show is one of the hardest things to do.
And you know, obviously there's carb loading involved.
You fat load. How do you load up for a show
'cause you look fucking great on stage, pardon my French.
How do you do that? How do you do that?
I I fat and protein load. So I'll start introducing
ketogenic caloric refeeds as like a trial run several weeks
prior to the actual competition. And then during the week of the
show, depending on how depleted I am, I may have multiple
consecutive refeed days. Typically I'll have myself and
my clients do a Friday refeed with a bolus of fat and protein,
typically about 30% over baseline caloric intake at that
point. And then I'll bump up sodium by
about 15 hundred 2000 milligrams.
So that draws any of the subcutaneous fluid into the
muscle tissue, make the skin appear thinner, the muscles
appear fuller, bring out the vascularity.
But since I'm not, you know, screwing around with
carbohydrates, there's no risk of me spilling over.
I never have to, you know, cut water.
Like, I was literally drinking a gallon of water before stepping
on stage and I felt totally hydrated.
Whereas a lot of people were cramping up and not able to even
hit the poses because they were cramping so bad.
Well, that's also well, it was the natural show, right?
So I can't blame diuretics. Yeah, yeah, I do.
Typically I've done NPC shows as well, but most of my shows are
all in the natural federations. Yeah, it's for me.
I carb up way lower than most. I mean, I think when I got my
pro card, it was like 300 grams of carbs.
I think a lot of people overdo them.
People don't understand carbohydrate.
Bring water with them. So if you're, if you're not
eating carbohydrate, you're you're not going to spill over.
And there's got to be a clinical application.
You see these heart, heart patients and they take all these
diuretics, right? They take all these diuretics.
Normally what a doctor's going to do is put them on a plant
based diet which is going to be super high in carbohydrates,
super low in protein, super low in saturated fat.
So you get this edema around their ankles.
And I've seen, have you seen CT Fletcher, my business partner,
he won't post it. He could poke his foot and it
stays with a big fingerprint this big in his foot.
But as I was doing keto about two weeks ago, I I noticed and I
noted that I had 0 subcutaneous water.
It begs the question. Now obviously these doctors are
going off of research that they have.
We don't have enough research on it.
No one's done a study on this from what I can tell.
But what if the heart patients, what are the main issues and
they give them they, they prescribe aldactone and they
prescribe diazide or whatever the, the clinical name the the
one component of diazide cause diazide has two components in
it. I can't pronounce it anyway.
I'm I'm partially retarded. But they give them lasix all
this stuff to keep their water off.
What if you took a heart patient who's on diuretics who has
trouble with edema and put them on a carnivore ish or a keto
based diet? I think that would eliminate a
lot of the issues they get with these medications and help them
live longer without the edema. Well, I might be biased, but I
would completely agree with you and a lot of from a competitive
standpoint, everybody worries about glycogen if they're not
eating carbohydrates. But once you become deeply
adapted, your body's ability to replenish and restore muscle
glycogen is on par with those of a carbohydrate dependent
counterpart. So like I don't feel just as
full when I'm with ketogenic approach as when I did with with
carbs, but I don't have the risk of spilling over.
Like I said earlier, there's just not that variability.
You're removing that noise from the equation, so it's, for me,
it's a much more surefire way to know exactly what I'm going to
look like on stage today and come in confidently.
Well, I think that's the key to being a natural bodybuilder,
right? And I still, even though I
compete in the IFBB very poorly, I'm really bad.
I I never hold water and I never have those issues going in.
And I think people also don't understand electrolytes and a
ketogenic diet. I think that when people are
getting a carb heavy diet, they're not only getting carbs,
a lot of them get a lot of ultra processed foods which are filled
with sodium, potassium, all these different things.
So when you're on a ketogenic diet, not only are you not
carrying that water with a carbohydrate, but you also are
lacking the Adenin electrolytes for ultra processed foods.
So when you do that, your body's not getting the electrolytes.
So people go on a ketogenic diet and just be like cool.
They go from an ultra processed food to ultra high processed
food diet to a whole food diet. They try to supplement by
salting their meals, but that's usually not enough.
I don't think people understand the necessity it is to
supplement with electrolytes when on a ketogenic diet.
And that that need for electrolytes tends to increase
the leaner you get. Like during my last prep cycle,
I got down to again, 3.9% body fat, but towards the end there I
was consuming 15,000 milligrams of sodium a day.
So considerably higher than the average person from a
competitive standpoint. Like a lot of people will be
around that four to 6000 milligram mark.
I was, you know, significantly higher than that.
But once your body, like, if you've got the right ratio of
sodium to potassium to fluid coming in, your body is able to
reset the equilibrium point at whatever that level is as long
as the ratio is in check. So yeah, I I crank that way up,
but I feel phenomenal with it. Yeah, I normally even with carb
inclusion, someone who exercises a lot, trains a lot.
And while I do eat a lot of carbs in relation to protein and
fat, it's probably more of a zone isocaloric diet.
That's when I feel the best. And when I feel the best I'm,
I'm eating butter, I'm having saturates.
And I think that a lot of people try to get based in these camps,
right? Like I'm this, I'm carnivore,
I'm this, I'm that. But in reality, it's
experimenting and figuring out what works best for you.
But I think in experimentation it's just start with ketogenesis
and see what makes you feel better as you add it in.
Like maybe you do good on fruits.
I know a lot of carnivore guys are now considering fruits to be
carnivore. I still don't understand those
mental gymnastics. You can help me on that I.
No, I'm I'm in agreement man like Paul Saldino I think
popularized that fruit and honey with carnivore approach.
Well, it's animal based. What the Hell's he talking
about? But I mean, The thing is like,
if you look at fruit nowadays and rewind the clock 500 years,
like fruit's not even the same thing as it was.
I mean, it's all, it's all been genetically modified.
Like a, a freaking banana now versus one from days gone by
doesn't even look like the same fruit, you know?
So I don't really buy into that argument.
And it's still. It's still.
Glucose. I don't either.
And fructose, you know. At the end of the day, if you
break it all down, you're right. Now there is something to be
said about the complete matrix of the food, right?
You combine the fiber, the micronutrients, the macro
nutrients. But at the end of the day, if if
you're claiming you're on a carnivore diet and you're eating
honey and you're eating fruit, I mean, you could call it whatever
you want. And I'm going to say that's
pretty healthy diet. I think.
I think we need to get back to is how do we eat more Whole
Foods that aren't ultra processed and what what a
ketogenic diet does, it makes it literally idiot proof.
It it, it forces you to eat Whole Foods.
It forces you to eat foods that aren't ultra processed.
It forces you to and it's it's, it's pretty idiot proof.
And also you can't snack on candy bars when you're
ketogenic. So I think that the one thing
that the ketogenic carnivore, whatever you want to call them,
diets too is they bring us back to eating non processed foods,
which I think we need to get back to.
Yeah, completely. I think most people that have a
head on their shoulders would agree with that sentiment.
You know, like the heavily processed foods, the high sugary
foods, it's just all noise in the equation.
You look at us as a society, we're obviously not getting any
healthier. So we got to kind of not do what
we're doing currently, and currently we're just eating a
bunch of nonsense, bunch of bullshit.
And if we can return to that degree of Whole Foods, we're all
going to benefit from it. Whether or not you want to fall
into the ketogenic camp or the carnivore camp or a Whole Foods
vegan camp. Whole Foods vegan I would still
probably argue is better than processed standard American that
as long as you get ample protein, you know.
What do you see as the major drawbacks to the vegan diet?
I mean, if you look at micronutrient density of food,
like for the same caloric low, you're going to have far more
nutrients in, you know, 3 ounces of beef liver compared to
whatever super food from a vegan camp you want to use.
So from a micronutrient density standpoint, like if you've only
got so many calories to work with, then in my opinion, it
makes the most sense to target the most nutrient dense food
options you can, which is obviously going to point to, you
know, fats and proteins, animal based sources.
And then if you look at us from like a biological evolutionary
standpoint, you know, we didn't, we didn't evolve eating nothing
but fruits and tubers and vegetation, like we were eating
meat and lots of it. So just kind of returning to
what our digestive system has evolved to consume over, you
know, a millennia makes sense to me.
I couldn't, I couldn't agree more.
And I would argue that our brains would have never fully
developed if we didn't discover fire 'cause that's what allowed
us to cook food, to have meat, to get that nutrient density.
And that nutrient density is what allowed us to grow and to
get the. My favorite argument is, well,
gorillas. Well, they, they just eat
plants. Yeah, but they spend 75% of
their day eating, and their stomach chamber, our stomach
chamber, more closely resembles a wolf versus a gorilla.
That's what's really fascinating about the vegan argument.
And I understand the altruism of veganism.
I understand it. I just think it's misdirected
because you still have to tear up land.
You still have to plant crops, implanting the crops.
You're killing insects, you're killing rodents, you're killing
animals. You're taking away their
habitat. At the end of the day humans you
need to take shit over to eat. It just is what it is and
something will have to die. Yeah.
Why not just go to the source? Yeah, there's a cycle of life
with everything, life and death, like something's going to die
for something else to live. That's just, that's just it
distilled down to its simplest form.
And like for me, you know, when you look at the digestive tract,
like you mentioned, when you look at the pH of a human
being's stomach, it definitely resembles that more so of a
predator of a, you know, carnivorous animal of something
that's eating carcasses that had that higher pH stomach, like a
freaking Buzzard. You know, orangutangs, apes,
they don't have, you know, a cecum.
You look at ruminants, they've all got a four chamber stomach.
We don't have that. We're monogastric animals.
I mean, it's like you got to just kind of distill things down
to its biological essence. And when you look at, you know,
the argument of the teeth, people say, look, we don't have
the canines that a predator has, so we obviously shouldn't be
eating like them. We don't have the canines that
the predator has because we developed tools and we didn't
need them. Yeah, it's evolution, yeah.
So yeah, I on. The same page.
I completely completely agree. Yep.
I mean, at the end of the day, man, I again, like I, I've tried
all kinds of diets again, it's about figuring out I am more
meat based than anything. But my body feels well on
glucose and I have very good flexed energy and my body can go
back and forth and switch really.
And and that that took a long time like that probably took all
30 years of my training life to get that.
But if you want a dummy proof diet that really can benefit
anyone, yeah, you're looking at a ketogenic diet.
Now, do you eat many fruits and, I'm sorry, many vegetables,
broccoli, things like that? Or are you pretty much all
animal based? I'll have some on occasion, like
if my wife's cooking up something for family, we have
guests over. We'll have like, you know,
broccoli cooked in bacon or Brussels sprouts or something
like that. I'll have that.
But like I probably have vegetation in my diet once every
two weeks or something. I would say most of it is meat.
I'll have a keto brick a day and then the vast majority of my
other calories come from eggs, pigs and animal based sources.
You know, lamb, beef, Venice. And I do a lot of hunting, so
I've got a freezer full of game that I've killed over the years
and that fuels me quite well. Yeah, we have a cow coming.
I don't hunt, dude. I'm, I'm originally from
California. I might live in Tennessee now,
but the only hunting I do is in Costco's freezer section.
You know, like that's about it. That's that's my I'm, I'm, I'm a
city slicker, dude. I can't, I'm just, I just now
if, if one of my buddies goes out and kills a deer, I'll take
it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but we have a we I'm in Tennessee, man.
There's cows all over the place. It's like we can get a cow.
Like, yeah, the hunting thing's awesome because talk about grass
fed wild food. You can't get much better than
that. And it's so lean.
And it brings you like very, very close to that circle of
life that we were talking about earlier.
I mean like when you kill something else first hand, you
see the life leave its eyes. You just respect the food all
the more. Like you don't want to waste any
of it. You don't.
Like one of my pet peeves is throwing away food.
Like I do not like throwing away food.
And when I hunt that animal, I make sure every morsel gets
consumed like there's no waste. And I feel like when you have
that no waste mentality, you just appreciate that much more.
As we should. Yeah, as we absolutely should,
man. I see this is this is the kind
of stuff what's what's really crazy?
I forgot the doctor's name. That doctor that Sean Baker
always points out, that little vegan guy with the beard and the
weird stomach. It's like McGregor, McGregor,
McGregor. Yeah, that guy is so crazy and
he looks so bad. I've never listened to his
content, but yeah, like I've never.
I like to look at people that resemble what I would want to
look and feel like. And I probably wouldn't be
taking health advice for someone that doesn't look healthy
personally. Meanwhile, Sean Baker's, what,
57? Is he like 59 years old now?
He's getting on up there, Yeah. And he's, he's a.
Beast man indoor, you know how hard indoor rowing is?
Like that's not an easy sport. You got to have cardiovascular,
you got to have fast twitch, you got to have glycolytic,
glycogenic and the guy is still crushing it.
Like you got to respect that. You got to respect them putting
their money with their mouth. I haven't seen many vegans.
Remember that movie Game Changer?
Did you watch that? Unfortunately, yeah.
God that movie was so bad, but it made for some really good
content. I got so many views on YouTube
from that one. But they had that one vegan
strongman who was shitting on all the other strong men.
Where has he gone? What has he done?
Well, they didn't want anything of that video.
And a lot of it was staged. A lot of it was using, you know,
poorly designed studies, like the whole thing was propaganda.
The China study is poorly designed.
Yeah, a lot of. Everything the vegans have are
poorly designed. You see doctors coming around
now though, That's the crazy thing.
Like doctors are starting to figure it out and it's going to
take time because but the kids coming out of medical school
now, I think they are more in tuned with what's going on in
the real world, what real nutrition is like and how
everything about saturated fat and cholesterol is a big lie.
Yeah, yeah, it's cholesterol. We're definitely making
progress. What were you saying?
So so cholesterol, man, how is your cholesterol and how do you
view LDLHDL and overall cholesterol?
I have a whole list of stuff in my head for you, man.
I'm I'm fascinated by what you do.
Have you dove into any of Dave Feldman's work?
Yeah, so he's he's on to some pretty good stuff there.
They're actually making legit bonafide studies that, you know,
they just recently published one study and I had him on the
podcast Diamond Details, all butchered.
But basically they, they compared a cohort that was, you
know, fitting his criteria of lean mass hyper responders had
elevated LDLS compared to a cohort that was on a statin and
reduced LDL numbers. And they were comparing, you
know, CAC scores between the two.
And the, the group that was in that lean mass hyper responder,
elevated quarter cholesterol group didn't have any increased
CAC scores. So like to me that that's pretty
indicative there. I mean, my personal cholesterol
numbers, I've got slightly elevated LDL, but my HDL is also
high and my trigs are like nothing.
So my ratio is solid. So yeah, I mean, I test my
numbers like every six months typically, and they're always in
a really good range. Yeah, I, I think it's also, so I
got a personal anecdote. So I have a really good doctor,
but he's a doctor, right? So I came in, my HDL was right
there. I'm sorry.
LDL was 130 is the high range for normal tests.
I think it's 150 on some. He's like, you know what?
I put every male over 40 on a statin and I'm like, you know
what, OK, whatever, it's not going to hurt, right?
Holy shit, that was terrible. It causes the worst myopathy
you've ever, So I didn't. So I take so many health
supplements because I own a supplement company.
It's what I do. I like just threw it in the mix,
didn't even realize I was on it. I was literally on a self
induced placebo because I take so much shit.
I'm like, cool, another pill, whatever.
So I'm at the time my daughter and I were training for a
powerlifting meet. I was going to do a powerlifting
meet with my daughter, right? And like I was killing it.
So like a week it, it ended up being like a week into the
statin therapy and I'm on low dose Rizuvastatin, which is the
the mild one. That's the one that causes the
least effects. I forgot why there's I think
it's water soluble versus fat soluble.
Whatever. There was some reason and all of
a sudden like my fucking back is killing me.
I'm sore as shit from powerlifting.
I realize I'm a bodybuilder so I'm higher volume powerlifting
training. No offense, powerlifters, it's
not that hard. You go in, you get a couple low
Rep sets, you use some ancillaries, you leave.
I'm not doing like fucking four sets of 12, right?
So I'm like, why am I in such pain?
And then I looked, I'm like, what am I taking?
And I'm like, oh, I'm taking, let me look it up.
I looked it up and it's like 5 to 10%.
I've actually read different data points that show that is
vastly underestimated, like 25, thirty, 40% of people get the
severe myopathy. So I'm talking to my business
partner's dad at Tiger Fitness, Larry, and he's like, yeah, my
doctor put me on a statin. I couldn't walk.
I'm like, I think statins are making people fatter and
unhealthier because you can't fucking move.
Yeah, there may be some truth to that for sure.
I mean, I, I'm obviously not on statin.
A lot of my family is. Don't do it.
Yeah, like.
Like I don't feel any need for the statin.
When you look at the, the if you have 0 pre-existing conditions,
you haven't had a stroke, you haven't had a heart attack, and
you look at the numbers as to how much the statin is
supposedly going to decrease your likelihood for one of those
adverse effects, it's like negligible.
It's minuscule. Minuscule.
See, but I understand where the doctor's coming from.
Hear me out. So I'm not mad.
I actually had this conversation with him.
Great talk. Just AGP, just a normal guy,
right? He's not like a steroid doctor,
right? Like he's a regular fucking
doctor on my, on my, on my, you know, my, my, my list, right?
I'm like, OK, so he's like, here's the reason I put people
on it because there's an overall decrease in morbidity based on
the data I've read of 30%. That's it.
So if you're over for, he's like, I don't make money on it.
He's like even if I did, it's like $8.
It's generic. He's like, I can't prescribe
enough to make money. It's not from financial.
And you could actually look up, I think it's called the Sun Act,
where you could look up how much money your doctor has taken from
big pharma. Everything from every lunch
they've been on, every gift they've received.
My guy has zero. So he's just like, look, dude,
I'm I'm dealing with the general population.
I just don't want people to die. Here's a way that might decrease
morbidity by 30%. I'm in.
So I'm like, that makes sense. He's like, but you, you left
really hard and it's good to hurt you.
So don't take it. I'm like, all right, cool.
So but dude, statins are harsh bro.
Yeah, yeah, it's so harsh. I'm not anti Western medicine by
any means. I don't want to come across the
way. A lot of my family is in that
sector, but there's just so much, there's so many biases
with everything in life. And like they're trained to
think a certain way. They're brought through a
certain curriculum in Med school.
A lot of that information and, and research has been dated and
is no longer applicable. And like for me, it's like, what
do I do that makes me feel good? What do I do that makes me
perform good? What do I do that makes me
excited? And not taking a bunch of drugs,
eating good quality food and lifting hard and heavy checks
all those boxes. How many days a week do you
train? Usually about 5.
I'll do like a cardio day so if you count that it winds up being
6, but usually five week training days.
OK, so yeah, you're still in your prime, man, 30, that's a
good age. Yeah, I feel very early 30s,
but. I'll tell you what, man, I'm
excited for what I'm looking like when I'm 78, you know,
because I've been doing this for so long.
So like, you look at people like Mark Sisson, he's kind of like
the poster boy for looking healthy at a later age.
It's like, man, I'm going to blow Mark Sisson out of the
water. No disrespect to him, but like,
I'm going to, I'm going to paint a new narrative here.
Dude I I turned 44 in a month I've never felt better.
I think it's my best look ever and I love it because people
think I'm on so much steroids. It's it's amazing.
Like when I did the New York Pro dude, I had people doing videos
like fucking hating me. Like he's on way more than he
says he's on. I'm like guys, I'm at that time.
I'm 43 years old, I have 3 kids, I own multiple businesses.
Why would I risk my health for a fucking bodybuilding show like
what you're? Walking around, Wait.
So my SO right now I'm back up to to 12 1/2.
So that's another thing. And I don't Photoshop because my
pictures will look much better if I Photoshop, right?
Like, so I don't know if it's because I'm so lean year round
or whatever, but 212 at 5-7 and a quarter, it's not that big.
Like these guys, Nick Walker's walking around at 3:10 at my
height, shorter than me. So I'm like, no, I'm, I'm really
not that big. I'm just lean.
I'm conditioned. I've been training for 30 years,
man. I started training at 13 years
old, never missed a day. So instead of training saying,
wow, you know, that guy really trained a lot of years.
Like, Oh no, he's just been taking trends since he was 13
years old. And I'm I'm sure you get the
natty shit too. Yeah, it comes the territory
because like people want to hate on what they don't have, you
know? Like I've been competing.
I've been training for I guess 15-16 years now.
My first show was in 2012. I've gotten consistently better
each time I've stepped on stage and I've always been natural.
But like people look at someone that's jacked and they just
assume they're taking stuff because they're not one to put
in the work and died hard enough to reach that level of
conditioning. But like, I completed this last
go round at, you know, one 53155.
I'm 5 seven and a half. So like if I'm 153 and I'm on a
bunch of gear that I'm doing something wrong.
You're way taller than me. You got me by 1/4 inch. 1/4 inch
is a lot in some places. You know, I'm saying, but I'll
just wear Hocas. Those give me a good like half
an inch man. There you go man.
I tried those. They were like way too much
cushion for myself. I dropped those out for sure.
Man I was, but I bought 5 pairs in a row.
I love them. That's that's my favorite shoe
because they have that wide toe box, but they still have
cushioning. I do like the white toe box.
I switched all my footwear to wide toe box 0 drop shoes and my
feet feel way better because of it.
Yeah, it's, you know what? I look at it this way like I'm,
I'm totally honest. The problem I made the the
mistake I made is in when I was 27, my doctor put me on TRT and
in 2013 I did when I got my Nava pro card, I did do a all out
cycle like I'm on. The problem is I was honest
about it and now they're like, so they're like watch, just tell
us what you're doing. I'm like cool, here's what I'm
doing. I'm on 150 milligrams of tests a
week and two, I use of HGH five days a week prescribed by my
doctor. Here's my doctor's information
in case you want to ask him. And then now people are telling
me I'm lying because I told them what I'm on, because I'm on
more. So I'm like, I should have just
said I'm natty or I mean, you can't win.
Like you're people are like, are you natural?
You're like, yes, they're like, no, you're not.
You're a liar. OK?
And look, man, I mean, I literally took seven years off
of bodybuilding to box and I couldn't lose muscle.
Like I was weight training like two or three days a week, just
doing the basic compounds just to keep my strength.
And I just didn't lose muscle. And I lost a little bit.
But it came back really fast when I started training again
for bodybuilding, like in two or three months because I didn't
like, I wasn't sedentary, actually was still boxing and
moving. But the Internet is a
fascinating place where even when you tell the truth and it's
not the truth they want to hear, they get really fucking mad.
And then they come at you and they're just so ridiculously
over the top. And I'll be real, if I wasn't
married, I would probably do a lot of steroids, but my wife
would never let me do that. I mean, my wife would be like,
what are you doing? You're just going to lose again.
But you're going to take health risks.
Like, like, you're going to lose anyway.
Might as well lose being health. It's tough, man.
The the Internet's ruthless man. Like when we first started the
business, like my wife and I are poured our heart and soul into
it. Lots of sleepless nights.
We'd like sell out of inventory and people would just like RIP
us a new one. So we didn't know what the hell
we were talking about. And the same is true with
natural bodybuilding. They all say I'm on gear.
Like the internet's ruthless. But like, if you know your
intentions, if you know, if you know the truth, what you do
because you're you, it's like you got to just let that shit
roll off your back. Otherwise you just lose too much
sleep. Dude, it used to get to me so
bad. I just like cry myself.
I'm not going to lie. I cried because I'm like, why is
everybody so bad at me? And then it's like, whatever,
you know, it, it is what it is. It's the Internet.
We put ourselves out there. It's part of it, you know, and
but I think we only see the negative.
Like it could be 100 things of people saying thank you.
But all we see is the part about like, oh, you, you kick a little
dog. I'm like, I never kicked a dog.
But then that kid that just, it hurts you, it hits you.
And I don't think people understand because I'm not like,
I can speak for you. We're not like a real celebrity
like Brad Pitt or like, so we don't have what they have.
But in our micro world of our celebrity, just that little bit
of negativity, it, it hurts, it sucks.
It's like, why can't we all just be nice to each other?
Like what? Why?
Why do you have to find something negative about
everything? And it's like you, you want to
make the biggest impact. And it's frustrating when you
recognize that most of the engagement occurs when there is
an aura of negativity around it. So it's almost like the
algorithm, the the viewership, the view count is rewarding,
negative over positive. And to me, it's just like, like,
I don't even want to pay that price.
Like I would rather not sell my soul, not do all these hate
videos and just keep putting out content.
And then my loyal base of true, you know, true blue fans, like
they're going to be there for me through thick and thin.
And that may mean that I don't grow to the extent that I could.
But like, if I don't have to sell my soul to the devil to do
it, that's what I'll keep doing because then I can sleep easy at
night. So are you all in on this, on
what you're doing now? Do you have a another job or?
No, this, this is all it, man. So like we launched, I launched
Keto Savage in 2016. I quit corporate, went to
$250,000 in debt, was like depressed out of my mind.
Started Keto Savage in 2016 with the content, the coaching.
Then we launched Keto Brick in 2018 and we've just been growing
everything organically ever since.
So I haven't worked for the man, so to speak, and since 2017
probably. Yeah, that's there's there's The
thing is people don't understand when you own a business, you
never you never work for yourself.
You're always working for your consumers.
You're working to pay your taxes.
Yeah, I mean you there's no freedom in owning a business.
Like it is the most corporate working in the corporate world
is actually, I can argue it is the most freedom you'll ever
have working for yourself. It's a prison.
It literally like, yeah, you get to do your own thing, but like
there's just so like, when's the last time you had a weekend off?
I couldn't tell you man. Like I went down to the farm, I
got a family farm. It's been in our family for like
5 generations. I went down there this past
weekend to like do some hunting, do some work.
And I, I didn't have Internet service down there.
So I was there for 2 1/2 days, 1 1/2 days, and I was able to
disconnect a little bit for that window.
But even then, like I'm checking emails, I'm making sure
everything's, you know, done from a production, production
standpoint, I'm making sure everything's, you know, solid.
So I've never had this like clock out mentality where it's
just like, I'm done with it. I can't tell you the last time.
That was probably when I was with corporate.
And that'll be, that'd be awesome.
Like I made, we went to, we hiked the Northeast this summer
and it was like, I would get up before everybody got up, go down
to the hotel lobby, catch up. And then after we get done with
the day, I'd take time during the day to get some stuff done.
I'd, I'd, I'd be on all my calls, 'cause we have board
meetings and shit during the day.
So I don't know. It's, I don't know.
I like my brother did it. He, so he works.
He's, he's, he does really well. He's a senior VP digital
marketing, multiple companies, but like he takes vacations.
It's wild. I'm like, you mean you don't
have to do anything. You have an assistant or what?
That must be awesome, but I don't know, it's, there's
something to be said. I mean, you're, you're obviously
the message you're getting out is helping so many people fight,
you know, and, and I mean, type 2 diabetes is treatable,
preventable, and I can argue curable.
Of course, talk to your doctor. I'm not a doctor, but what what
we do from a health and fitness standpoint, I mean, people look
at it like, oh, you just want to make money.
Well, yeah, we we need to keep the lights on.
Like we need to sell something. But how many people do you think
you've helped come off of medication?
I'm sure it's hundreds. Yeah, I mean, there's no way
that I could even quantify it. Like, I mean, they may have,
they may have never even purchased from me and they may
just have heard something on the podcast and they're just in the
background living a healthier life because of it.
But I get emails every single day about how something I've
said, done, or promoted has impacted their life for the
better. And I keep an e-mail folder of
all those positive comments that when I get inundated with
negativity, I can open one of those up.
But OK, I am doing what my calling is in the world, you
know? That's the best.
I mean, that is, that is fantastic, man.
Man, that's, that's so you've been around.
You started this in 2016. What'd you do at corporate
America before this? So after I graduated college, I
got hooked on with the railroad. So I was a train master for the
Burlington and Santa Fe Railroad, basically managing the
engineers and conductors in Spokane, WA.
That's what my, my girlfriend is now my wife.
And you know, I knew that I always wanted to do something
entrepreneurial. I was trying to get into real
estate. I was trying to, you know, drop
ship and do all these things. And then I'm like, you know
what? I'm passionate about fitness,
nutrition, The ketogenic diets made a positive impact in my
life. I feel like I could do the same
for others. I'm just going to go all in on
that and make that where I create my value and that's what
I've done. Man, ketogenic, you know, keto
for peeking for a show is fascinating.
Yeah, that's just fascinating. Well, there's, there's so much,
there's so much negativity from a, a competitive standpoint
because kind of like Western medicine, like the people that
compete are so steeped in nutritional dogma, you know,
flexible dieting, if it fits your macros.
There's just a lot of, you know, incorrect information out there.
And for me, it's like, yes, the ketogenic diet can obviously be
applicable for those that need to get healthy, doesn't need to
improve their diabetes, cure their diabetes, but there's not
really anybody that I was aware of at the time, especially using
a full performance athletics and optimizing for bodybuilding
show. So it's like, if I can do that,
if I can improve my relationship with food, that's where I think
a lot of people go astray. That's what appeals to a lot of
people is they have these massive eating disorders.
I had one and it's it's honestly more so the norm than not in the
bodybuilding space. And a lot of it stems from
eating heavily processed food that people feel addicted to and
then have guilt around eating. Whereas like with me, I eat
quality food. 365 days a year, every day, every year.
And I don't have that guilt associated with it.
I know that I'm feeling my body properly and I improve my
relationship with food as a result.
And if I can help other competitors do that, they get
their life back. Well, let's talk about flexible
dieting. I will argue that it did more
harm than good. Now it did teach us about
calories and calories out right. Alberto Nunez, he good friend of
mine, we guessed those together before, a natural legend, but he
showed that you can get obscenely shredded on Pop Tarts.
That was a were you? Are you old enough to remember
the Pop Tart era? Oh, yeah.
Oh.
Jesus Christ. But the problem is it normalized
fitting bullshit food into your macros.
And while I will argue that calories and calories are is the
most important part of dieting, there's more to it.
There's hormones, there's health, there's so many things.
So I would argue that flexible dieting got us to kind of look
away from the whole purpose of eating and that's to sustain a
healthy lifestyle. And unfortunately, with flexible
dieting, you had people literally cutting out healthy
foods so they can fit in a Pop Tart or a Snickers bar at the
end of the day. And I think the best way to diet
is to start with a lifestyle first.
Like let's make those positive changes in your food choices.
Let's make those positive changes maybe going from a
Snickers bar to a sweet potato, right?
Let's let's make those minor changes, maybe put some.
Have you ever put peanut butter or a sweet potato?
I know you're not into this, but like I'll take a sweet potato
with peanut butter in it over a Snickers bar.
So you do things, slight changes, more satiating, so many
micronutrients. What is there 600 milligrams of
potassium and a freaking sweet potato?
Like it's crazy healthy, but instead we said, Oh well, you
get shredded, you get shredded and you just have to control
your calories. So you have people dieting on
1000 calories because obviously you can't eat as much because
it's not a satiating. They're hungry as hell, but they
could dump their pop tart at the end of the day, which accounts
for 80 carbohydrates. And like, it's nuts, you can get
shredded on any diet. It's been proven time and time
again. But like, being shredded is not
equate to being healthy. And you look, a lot of these
people that used to compete that no longer do and they're still
struggling with, you know, diabetes or some form of, you
know, ailment or metabolic syndrome.
It's like if I can bypass that by, you know, living of the
morals and values that I've done throughout my competitive season
and and extend that into perpetuity, it's like that just
seems like a better play long term.
And if you have a long game approach to it, it's hard to
justify eating a bunch of nonsense, you know?
Well, we, I, I, I get that question like, how do you stay
lean year round? It's like if you're eating a
whole natural foods, it's really hard to get fat.
It's just no one ever got fat off of chicken and broccoli.
Nobody. It's just, it's, it's
impossible. You can't do it.
You might not get shredded eating Whole Foods like, but if
you're eating the basics, the Amish, they have the lowest
obesity rate in our entire population.
Why do you think that is? 'Cause they don't eat all the
bullshit. They don't eat the bullshit.
It's it's not rocket science, but yet, you know, And what was
the old badge? Shop the perimeter at the
grocery store. Yeah, what's crazy to me is that
like, I was like I said, I was at my farm this past weekend.
You know, I got my family there and I love them all to death.
But like, one of the guys overweight, he pulls out like a
freaking massive gallon Ziploc bag full of all his pills and
prescription. She's on, you know, metformin,
you know, cholesterol drugs, statin, like everything.
And he's like having that right after he gets done eating a
whole bunch of like, apple pie or something like that.
It's like, man, you can totally bypass all this by just simply
cleaning up a few things and changing your lifestyle.
But people, I don't know if they just are too ignorant to connect
those dots or if they're unwilling to make a change or if
they're just so ingrained in their thinking or they're just
simply addicted to those foods. But to me it seems like that is
not a worthwhile price to pay. The dopamine reaction from
eating those foods is, is quite, quite, it's quite significant.
So I mean, you look at porn, well, don't look at porn.
That's the whole point. If you, if you take into account
porn and anything that that is addictive, there's that dopamine
response like even picking up your phone and that gives you
that little hit of dopamine. So food is definitely addictive
and you know, when you and and talk about like hunting, bring
it back to what you said earlier, like it's different
when you go to achieve something like winning a championship,
playing the whole season, just get that dope.
When you get of winning the Super Bowl, that's different
than just winning the lottery, right?
Like you earned it. You, you haunted that food, you
got it. But dopamine is so easy to come
by now between phones and porn and this and that, whereas
people don't earn their dopamine.
Like working out like that is something you earn.
It's something you do. It's something that you, you
grind to get that feeling. But when dopamine is just you,
you get addicted to that HIT. And it's so easy to grab a bag
of potato chips and get that dopamine hit that you lose the
whole connection to why am I eating this food?
Yeah, it's for. I mean, you know, even Kita, you
enjoy your food. I'm sure you enjoy steak and
bacon and all that. But you're eating it and you
know it's doing something good. You know it's doing something
good for you. Whereas if you're just eating a
candy bar or a potato chip, you know it's not good for you, but
you're getting that immediate dopamine hit of all those
chemicals they produce those things with that provide that
sensory feedback that provides the dopamine explosion in your
body. Yeah, delayed gratification,
man. It all boils down to delayed
gratification. Yeah, you can have that bag of
potato chips now and feel great for the moment, but then you're
going to have that guilt associated with it, and it's
certainly not serving your body for any good.
But it's like for me, my superpower is doing things every
single day that compound over time.
You know, like most bodybuilders have that ingrained in them in
some form or fashion. So like once you have that sense
of delay, gratification and you play that long game, it makes it
so much easier to adhere to the habits and protocols that you
put into place. We like, there's 8 billion of us
on this planet. We all want to have six pack abs
and look good naked, yet so few of us do the habit.
We don't rise to the level of our ambitions, we fall to the
level of our habits and routines.
And once you live your life with that philosophy, it's easier to
recognize what you should or should not do.
Man, that you put that very well.
Like people say they don't want ABS.
Oh, that's nasty. Shut up.
Yeah, shut up. You know, You know, you know
what I love about Ozempic? It showed that the whole fat
positivity thing was just bullshit, 'cause now that
everybody can just take a pill and lose weight, it basically
stops your digestion. It's hard that this look, the
the class action lawsuits and side effects from Ozempic and
GLP ones. It's going to be so astronomical
that you guys just, I don't think people see it coming
because it causes gastroparesis. I've met three people locally
now. This is just in my circle, just,
you know, moms of coaches of football teams and stuff like
that where they have had long term effects that are going to
plate them. They're not going to correct it
for the next year or two because it's your gut where literally
food gets caught in your stomach and it just kind of ferments and
it just sits there because it literally slows digestion and
makes you so nauseous that you can't eat.
That's how this thing works. And yet people are taking it
because they can lose weight, but at the same time they're not
allowed to. They're not able to eat, so
they're not even enough protein, so they're losing muscle, so
they look frail. They have that.
That Ozempic face we just call prep face now.
They got it too. It's called Ozempic face and
it's just, it's fascinating that everybody's like, oh, no body
positivity. And then as soon as there's a
pill that comes out, whatever happened to being proud and fat?
Even Lizo is getting shredded now.
Yeah, it is crazy man. And like there may be definitely
use case scenario where it makes sense, but people don't
understand metabolism at all. They don't recognize it.
If you don't eat, yes, you will lose weight, but your metabolism
will down regulate to follow suit.
And if you have, if you're taking in 500 calories a day,
like a lot of these people are taking Ozempic ore, then they're
not going to be able to perform. They're going to lose lean
tissue so that when they do start eating again, if they ever
cycle off of it, their composition is going to be far
worse than when they started. And like, people need to
recognize that. You know how big Ozempic is.
So I'm at a retail conference because with Ambrosia Planta,
we're in, you know, Sprouts and a lot of grocery stores.
So we're meeting with these big accounts, Every single one of
them is looking for shit to take alongside GLP ones.
That's their main hunt. They're looking for proteins.
They're looking for other things, electrolytes to go
alongside that. People aren't able to eat what
GLP wants. It's become so big now BC rates
are dropping in America. They are dropping and that's
great. And obesity is the number one
comorbidity. I'm all for it.
But what other issues are gonna come up?
What does it do to the heart long term?
What does it do to your digestive system, your small
intestine, your large intestine? Your colon doesn't increase
because you have food. Just sitting there doesn't
increase your your predisposition for colon cancer.
There's so many things that we don't know because joking was
been, oh, it's been used for years in diabetics.
Yeah. At about 120th the dose for
diabetics, GOP ones are this big for to for weight loss, it's
this big of a dose. Yeah, it's, it's kind of like
lottery, like you mentioned earlier, the people that don't
have the right habits, routines in place to build and manage
their money, they win the lottery within years.
They're bankrupt. The people that are taking all
these Olympic drugs to lose weight, you know, they can't,
they don't have their the habits in place to be able to maintain
that. So like, it's going to crash and
burn on them. And like people, people just got
to play the long game. People got to build the habits
in place that actually lead to the success, the true success,
the lasting success. Dude, yes, see, that's the
thing. I think if there's one thing to
take home from this, this this conversation is 1 is I could
talk to you for about 12 hours. I got so much, so much.
I mean, first of all, you're smart, like you get it.
And but you're, you're also not crazy.
Does that make sense? Like some, some, some carnivore
people have taken it to the extreme.
Like they're just nuts. I even Sean Baker's like, that's
not me, man. Those people are crazy.
And he's the one who called it. He literally named the fucking
diet. He's like, these people are
nuts. They're crazy.
Well, they over sensationalize things for sure.
Yeah, but that's how you sell books.
Maybe you should over sensationalize.
You should change the name of this to do keto or you're going
to die. Carps cause cancer.
You know, there's other, I'll get you to my marketing people.
We'll get you done, we'll get you good.
But yeah, sensationalism sells, right.
So it's, it's just it's profound that I think the take home from
everything is protein is good, fat is good for some people,
carbohydrates can be, if you're going to choose to eat
carbohydrate, which by the way, you don't need, it's not
essential. There's only two essential
nutrients, essential fatty acids and essential amino acids.
But if you do choose to eat carbohydrate, eat it as close to
its whole natural source as possible.
Yep Yep. And again, I mean most people
are not weight training. Like you don't need to carb up
in order to do the laundry and clean the house.
You know, yeah, if I didn't, if I didn't train the way I do and
coach, there's no way I would be on a carb inclusive diet.
They just, unless I felt like, unless I'm like, I, I just feel
like eating a cookie, you know, then I'm like, OK, I'm gonna
have a cookie. But you don't need to have
glucose to do everyday activities.
You just don't. And I can argue you don't need
it for any activity. The studies on performance and
ketogenesis being subpar, yeah, I guess.
I mean, there there is data on that, but there's also data that
shows the opposite. It's just a matter of what you
want to cherry pick to prove your argument.
Yeah, exactly. And the unfortunate thing is
that most of the studies that look at performance with
ketogenic diets are taking a study a population size that
have been doing it for two weeks.
You know like yeah, you can be producing ketones in two days,
but that does not mean the metabolic pathways are in place
to efficiently use those as a fuel substrate for performance.
Like look at people have been doing it for six months or
better, not 2 weeks. How long would you say it takes
to become fat adapted? I mean, I know it's going to be
independent like some people like me who's very metabolically
healthy would would probably take less time than Susie who
weight trains at lifetime two days a week, right?
So what would you say would be the average range of becoming
fat adapted? From a cognition standpoint,
people would be able to tell the difference in two weeks for sure
or or less. But from like a athletic
performance standpoint with lifting metrics and endurance
while training, I always encourage people to give it at
least a solid six months. Like it may be sooner than that,
but you can't really look at the data 1 to one looking like a
bench, bench press performance metrics with carbs versus with
keto until you've been doing it for ample time for your body to
build up those metabolic pathways.
And again, like, think about it this way, like people who get to
like £350, but they want to, my goal is to get to 200 by summer
and it's January. I'm like, bro, you didn't get
that fat that quick. Like it's not going to come off
that quick. And your body does adapt.
And I, I, and again, there's, I said this for so many years,
like there's only two essential macro nutrients, carbohydrate,
that's the wild card. That's the one you don't need to
survive because your body can produce energy from ketones and
it can also derive from gluconeogenesis, It can derive
glucose. So carbohydrate is the optional,
yeah. Right.
And think about like there's. One, there's a couple ways to
look at that. We're born relatively ketotic,
like breast milk. Yes, there are some carbs in
breast milk, but I mean it's also a very fatty profile.
So like we're pretty much ketotic at birth and then
shortly after birth we're inundated with like all the, the
pureed fruits and nutrient void nonsense, all the formula fed
nonsense. So like from a very early age
we're we've become glucose dependent.
So most people spend the majority of their life in that
glucose independent state. The notion that they can just
switch their fuel substrate on a dime, you know, that that's not
realistic. Like you have to build that up.
So yeah, there's there's like our son we had like my wife was
ketogenic all throughout her pregnancy, all throughout
breastfeeding. He's been totally ketogenic.
He's 2 1/2 years old now. He's breaking all the metrics
from a growth chart standpoint. And I mean, obviously I think
he's the best world because he's my son.
But like he'll, he'll be next to other people that are 2 1/2
years old and he's got more, you know, bone density.
He's better built. Like he just looks healthier.
You know, it's like if you feed yourself the right food, real
food, from the onset, you're going to outperform those that
don't. Yeah, I can argue that's one of
the reasons my kids, even though they're not ketogenic, I, I
think you know, do you know I'm St.
Brown, the wide receiver on the Detroit Lions.
I. Don't know him personally, no.
So, well, I mean know of him so his dad was a pro bodybuilder,
John Brown, one of the greatest pro body.
He was amazing. So he did he has a podcast.
He was saying how you know, kids need more protein because
they're developing, they're growing.
But if you look at what kids eat like I deal with I, I only I'm
actually in 10 minutes, I got to go.
I one of my kids is he tore his ACL before he came to us.
So we got him coming back like 8 weeks before he should.
So I'm going to his doctor's appointment.
But so these kids go out and they're developing and they're
growing, but their diets are absolute trash.
They're getting maybe .3G of protein per pound of body weight
when they should probably be closer to 222 grams per pound.
So my kids have always been at around 1.5 to 2G.
Obviously don't measure their food.
We're not Nazis like that. But like, you know, my kids
start every day with 50 grams of protein.
You know, they, they get going. And I think one thing we have is
we have protein deficiency. We have too much all to process
foods. And that's why our kids are the
way they are. We're seeing injuries in sports
that they didn't exist when we were kids.
Like I see more weird injuries. Like I know it's labrum tier
tears. I've seen more of those since I
started coaching than I've ever seen.
I didn't even know if that existed till I was an adult.
We never had those when I was a kid.
Football, baseball, no one tore a labrum.
I've seen like 12 of them this year.
So there's something going on where our kids are malnourished
and I do think protein and lack of protein and the overuse of
ultra processed foods is the reason these kids think Taco
Bell is is a is a a logical food choice.
Yeah, I mean like it. I don't know, man, when you,
when you're a parent as you are, as I am, it's like you can't
help but judge some of the stuff that you see parents feed their.
Kids, I judge everybody. Yeah, And I don't want to come
across as negative, but it's like, look, that kid relies on
you to feed him or her, and you're feeding them totally
nutritionally to void nonsense like that is going to impact
their brain development, that's going to impact their skeletal
structure, like it's impacting every the testosterone.
Yeah, setting the foundation for the rest of their life.
Dude, the testosterone levels of dudes in their 20s now are equal
to the testosterone levels of dudes in their 70s in the 80s.
Look at it that way. And I'm look, man, we can look
at microplastics this that the third look at the end of the
day, here's what I think. I think that kids, one is
they're not active enough, and two is that their diets are full
of auto process junk and they don't get enough protein, so
they're naturally going to have lower testosterone levels.
Yeah. And then they end up voting
Democrat. I love it, I love it.
Well listen man, I know you got a doctor's appointment.
As you said, we could talk for 12 hours left to do a follow up
Round 2 for sure. Oh, dude, I need, I need like
five of these. Man.
I could talk to you all day. Let's do it, man.
But what's? Fascinating.
Where can people go to find out more about you?
Well, tigerfitness.com is my website, so we need to talk
about getting the keto brick on there.
I don't know if you do do B to B sales, but I think it would fit.
So yeah, tigerfitness.com on socialmediayoutube.com/tiger
Fitness and at Lowblinder TVI have two channels and then on
social media it's at Mark Globe, Blinder, MARCLOBLINER and what
is yours for my people. Keto Savage for me, Keto brick
ketobodybuilding.com for the course I just launched.
But yeah, Keto brick. Keto Savage.
Keto Bodybuilding. Awesome man.
Well, let's do this. I definitely we need to do a
follow up. This is fantastic. 100% man,
we'll do it for sure brother all.
Right brother, have a good rest of your day.
See you Mark. Take care all.
Right later.