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What is going on? 
Yale Robert Sykes, Keto 

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savage.com And today I've got 
special guest and good friend 

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Jonathan Shane, the Keto Rd. on 
the podcast and we dive into his

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supplement company. 
We talked about that last time 

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he was on here and he was about 
to launch it. 

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So I wanted to kind of bring him
back on and talk about how it's 

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gone so far since the launch. 
We dive into his running 

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endeavors. 
He's actually here in town this 

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week. 
So we got some some in person 

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training downs in person running
down and we kind of. 

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I wanted to pick his brain as to
what his running career is going

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to look like for this coming 
year. 

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He's got some pretty lofty 
goals, doing some 62 mile races,

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marathon, a 250 mile race. 
I kind of wanted to pick his 

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brain about how he's going to 
fuel for that because he has 

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been incorporating some 
carbohydrates from a fueling 

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standpoint. 
Not much, but a little bit. 

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So I wanted to pick his brain as
to how that's impacted his 

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cortisol levels and his overall 
performance. 

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So we talked about nutrition, we
talked about running, we talked 

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about. 
Business, we talked about it 

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all. 
So always a pleasure getting 

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Jonathan on the podcast and just
talk and shop. 

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Hopefully take something from 
this. 

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I have no doubt that you will. 
So that further ado sit back, 

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relax, enjoy the conversation 
with my boy Jay. 

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Shane. 
Jay Shane the Keto Rd. 

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How are you bro? 
I'm doing pretty good. 

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I wasn't as good you should 
have. 

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You should have done better. 
Do it. 

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Do it for me. 
Do it for me. 

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The. 
Keto Rd. 

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It's like reverse puberty when 
you do it. 

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OK, yes, that's that's my 
problem. 

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And I don't, I don't know how to
do reverse puberty, but you've 

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got it mastered to let you keep 
rocking the reverse puberty. 

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So you've been here since 
Sunday. 

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Yeah. 
It is now Tuesday morning and we

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have done a little bit of 
everything, man. 

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You've wanted to come to get a 
little day in the life action 

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here. 
Talk some shop, do some biz dev.

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And we haven't done a whole lot 
of biz dev, but I think you've 

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definitely gotten the feel for 
the day in the life. 

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We've had pretty much something 
going on since you got here. 

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We we worked on. 
I ran into your truck first 

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thing it was. 
Great. 

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Yeah, that was great. 
Good visitor stuff. 

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Yeah, you parked behind me and 
you're like, hey man, should I 

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move the truck? 
And I'm like, no, I got plenty 

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of space. 
And then I'm turning around and 

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I graze the bumper of your truck
with the bumper of my truck. 

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And then I felt terrible. 
So we got your car detailed. 

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They buffed it out pretty good. 
Not completely good, but pretty,

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pretty good. 
Pretty good. 

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And then what? 
What else we do on Sunday? 

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We worked on the chicken coop. 
We got the chickens all squared 

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away. 
Gardening. 

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Did some gardening, we got some 
plants and then we where we 

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worked out, we did a what we do 
for the workout on. 

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Full body deadlifts. 
Yeah, we did full body and we 

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did deadlifts as the primary 
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And then on Monday yesterday we 
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heavy hip thrusters. 
And then you talked me into 

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running 4 miles on a very 
technical trail. 

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It was good. 
It was actually like 4 1/2 miles

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running. 
It was, I remember because I was

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like, all right, we have about 
like a quarter mile left and I'm

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like, are we, are we done? 
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I'm like, this is not 4 miles or
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Yeah. 
Yeah, I knew it was for 

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something, but I don't know what
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think. 
So it wound up being and a very 

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steep, technical rocky terrain. 
And what are they called? 

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Yo Yassos. 
Yassos explain what the hell 

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Yasso is, man. 
Yeah, so Yasso is basically an 

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interval training where you do 
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effort. 
So like 1/2 marathon 10K effort.

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Basically just this happened to 
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So we did. 
We ran a mile at a leisure. 

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Early pace and then we walked 
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1/2 mile at a pretty good Sprint
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Then we walked for two minutes 
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minute walk, half mile Sprint, 2
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mile Sprint, 2 minute walk, and 
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1/2. 
As like a more leisurely pace. 

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Yeah, but I haven't run in a 
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kicked my butt. 
But I don't think you would be 

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able to tell that it kicked my 
butt, cuz I didn't let you gain 

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on me at all. 
No, no, you did really good. 

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You did good. 
I was, I was impressed and like 

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I was telling him yesterday, you
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finish like when you took off at
the end cuz you got in the 

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front. 
I was like OK, OK Robert. 

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Yeah, man. 
I I can't, I can't cross the 

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finish line walk and it messes 
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sprinting. 
But yeah, I felt good. 

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I mean I like running on those 
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like said, I haven't run in a 
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know what my ankles are going to
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But I've been doing that knees 
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didn't have any issues with my 
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which was nice and my ankles 
felt good. 

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I only fell twice, got covered 
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little bit, you fell once. 
And your shoe came off kind of, 

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yeah. 
So that wasn't good. 

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No. 
But but yeah, pretty, pretty 

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good, pretty good little run. 
And then we had. 

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So after that, what'd we do? 
Wait on Sunday. 

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No, that was on. 
That was yesterday, Monday. 

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Oh yeah, yesterday we just the 
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Yeah, we got with the leaks. 
Lawn mower got stuck. 

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Yep, we got we have a leak at 
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The the yard is flooded and I 
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Had to pull that out with the 
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And then we talked spreadsheets,
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kind of showed you some 
inventory stuff that I've been 

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doing and hopefully you can 
apply that to your company which

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we talked about last time you on
the podcast, yeah, which was you

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said December, January 
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Yeah, that's when it went out, 
when I went live, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
And that was largely about your 

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company performance gains, 
energized Reds as the product. 

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You want to talk about that a 
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now that you've been live for 
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Yeah, it's a it's it's crazy. 
You know, like I look back and 

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and yeah, it's not like, you 
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or like it was just like this 
thing that all of a sudden 

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everybody knows what performance
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But like for me, like knowing 
that there are people out there 

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that are using this product for 
recovery, they're using, some 

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people are using it for energy, 
right, because it's so mild and 

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caffeine and they do feel the 
energy from it, but. 

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I'm just knowing that it's 
impacting people in a positive 

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way and like it's doing what I 
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people gain in performance. 
Like it's the whole mantra you 

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can perform, right? 
So being able to get that out 

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there, just knowing that even if
it's in a small number, for me 

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it's a big impact. 
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Like if only the people that 
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and continue to benefit from it.
I've won in life. 

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Like I'm very, very happy with 
what it's been so far. 

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Learned a lot, made a lot of 
mistakes already like I 

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remember. 
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insurance and like I was paying 
for insurance before we got the 

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product and which don't do that 
because you don't know if the 

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product's going to come in and 
it didn't come in. 

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So we were paying on insurance 
for like 9 months without a 

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product. 
And so when it finally came in, 

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you know, just learning like how
to not, you know, pouring money 

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into ads and then like the ads 
don't work out and then like 

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learning like marketing and 
affiliate stuff and just like 

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learning how to navigate all 
that in an efficient way that 

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doesn't really. 
Pull away from the integrity of 

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the company, I think is the 
things that I've been learning. 

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And it's nice too, because it's 
made me a more thoughtful 

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person. 
It's made me more proactive. 

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It's made me more thoughtful in 
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choices. 
Like how does this reflect me? 

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How does this reflect the 
business? 

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How does this reflect what I'm 
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trying to impact people? 
Does it skew that at all? 

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And so being able to look at 
things through that lens has 

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really been beneficial for me in
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And it's been we got a long ways
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sharing some of the visions that
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then and we're we this party 
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It is. 
It is good though man cuz like I

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feel like a lot of people too 
scared to put themselves out 

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there and launch a product in 
the 1st place and then when you 

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do it's like you don't have any 
perspective to know what to 

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realistically expect. 
So like are you going to sell 

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out? 
Are you not going to have a 

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single bite like when I launched
my book, My first book, not the 

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the most recent one, but the 
first book that I didn't even 

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talk about because I don't want 
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I'm not as proud of it like I 
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be my saving grace. 
This is how I'm going to retire.

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This is how I'm going to make 
business and money and and yet 

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nobody bought it. 
Like I I told my best friend 

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that I was launching the book 
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nobody had bought it, so he 
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So I can say that I sold one on 
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You know, and like, that happens
a lot, man. 

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Like people, like there's not a 
lot of instant get rich quick 

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schemes that are legit. 
Like those don't really exist in

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the real world. 
So it's like a slow, arduous 

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journey, but it makes you 
appreciate every little piece of

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the puzzle as you go through it.
You know, like I think about 

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Keto Brick and we sold out for 
sure when we first launched, but

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people don't have a clue what'll
happen before that first launch.

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You know, like there's just so 
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That went into that. 
And you know, like with your 

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product, I mean you're doing it 
all in house to like you're you 

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have a coat pack for 
manufacturing, but like you're 

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having them ship it to your 
place, you know, and I'm jumping

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on a zoom call with you Like I 
see all your packaging supplies 

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in the background of your living
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Like, I totally get that, man. 
Like, I love that. 

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And I think that's what it 
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People need to appreciate those 
emphasis phases because that's 

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what builds the backbone for 
what's to come, you know. 

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Yeah, no, absolutely. 
It's it. 

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It's been a journey and you know
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It does take me aback. 
Like I was really fortunate, 

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like, you know, when I worked 
for Keto Brick, Like you know, 

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coming in where when I did, when
y'all were at the building and 

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then Brian just watching like 
the good things and then 

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obviously like obviously 
learning from any mistakes that 

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were made or whatever, right? 
Like just being observant, as 

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observant as I could have been 
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I've grown a lot since then. 
But you know, and then like 

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being able to see someone 
bootstrap something and then 

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like doing it myself, you do. 
It's interesting because I think

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a lot of people that start 
companies too, they've never, 

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they don't know anybody that 
started a company, right? 

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And so, like, they don't have 
that, that deeper appreciation. 

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I feel like sometimes, like now 
that I'm doing it myself, I look

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at my friends that own companies
and I'm just like, whoa, like, 

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dude. 
Like, people have no idea. 

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Like, what it takes. 
Especially like when you're 

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coming at it from a place of 
you're not trying to just get 

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rich. 
You're not. 

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We talked about this yesterday. 
We're not trying to make money. 

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We're trying to genuinely help 
people and and we're not willing

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to do anything that could 
fracture that goal, that 

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passion, that desire. 
And you know when you do it that

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way and you don't take the 
shortcuts and you don't take the

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money and you don't, you know, 
and not that any of that 

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necessarily is wrong because if 
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that's for their prerogative. 
But like for us, people like us 

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like, it's like. 
That makes it that can make it 

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10 times harder, right? 
But like, it's worth it. 

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Because, you know, you're being 
true to yourself. 

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You're being true to the purpose
of what you're trying to do. 

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And I really appreciated 
watching that and you continuing

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to watch that and you and, you 
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myself to my own, my own 
passions and my own goals and 

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how I want to impact people for 
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It's definitely good to have 
somebody that you can like, not 

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say, try to emulate exactly, but
like look up to, aspire to and 

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ask questions of cuz like I look
at my uncle who owns his own 

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business. 
You know, I remember sitting in 

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his office when I was a kid and 
him showing me spreadsheets and 

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P&L statements and you know, 
balance sheets and stuff like 

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that, that I would not have had 
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things had not been for him. 
And you know, it's like hunting.

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Like I can't imagine some of 
that wasn't raised hunting, just

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getting into it point blank and 
trying to figure things out on 

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their own, which is kind of what
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But it's like I I mean I had to 
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business for sure. 
And I went to Business School. 

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knowledge in my head with what 
I've had to do with keto brick 

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business. 
But just simply having somebody 

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that's done something similar 
before you that you can kind of 

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lean on for questions like 
that's so incredibly important. 

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A lot of people like to throw 
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tale of how they've built it all
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haven't leaned on anybody for 
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And there are instances like 
that for sure. 

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And like, there's not been a 
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taken outside funding or used 
Angel investors or anything like

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that, but just simply been able 
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hey man, what do you think about
this? 

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Or have you ever had this happen
to you before? 

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Like when an employee does this,
what was your response? 

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Like simply having somebody like
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you can pick their brain on like
that is incredibly monumental, 

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so. 
Anybody want to do anything new 

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in their life that they don't 
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Lean on people that have been 
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then just take advantage of that
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Absolutely, 100%. 
So let's talk a little bit about

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running, man. 
You've got some pretty lofty 

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goals when it comes to endurance
running here in the near future.

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Actually before we talk about 
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that thought, let's round out 
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with you've got a new product in
the works, are you at liberty to

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tell about that much you want to
keep that under wraps? 

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No. 
No, actually, I already talked 

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about it on social. 
You can join the wait list. 

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Wait list. 
People get early access. 

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Yeah. 
So the new product is called 

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Shameless Plug. 
It's called true endurance. 

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It's a preworkout. 
It's very different than the 

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red. 
So while they're both my babies,

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so understand that, like these 
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What's really I feel is really 
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than other supplements is that 
they're one their practitioner 

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backed, which generally most 
like nutritional therapists like

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I am, they they do like you 
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you know, adrenal health, like 
those kinds of supplements and 

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stuff like that. 
They're not really like into the

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performance game and then a lot 
of people that are in 

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performance game, you know, the 
game there. 

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They tend to just white label 
right Like so they'll just like 

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find a formula they know works 
in the they're more selling 

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there's themselves in the in the
icon than the actual supplement.

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Whereas with me like I private 
labeled meaning like everything 

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that's in the bottle I measured 
with a little scale. 

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At home I call it my cocaine 
scale and I got white powder all

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over the room and I'm like I 
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door because this is going to be
questionable so. 

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The pre workout itself is hand 
formulated by me. 

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It's a zero stem. 
It's zero caffeine, which I'm 

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very proud of. 
So I have ADHD so like I 

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caffeinated products make me 
drowsy. 

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So like I can't drink normal pre
workout. 

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I've never been able to like I 
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asleep like I've done it before.
Caffeine, naps is what they're 

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called. 
It's like I needed something 

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that would give me mental focus,
clean energy, not stimulate me 

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because it doesn't work the 
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And also, you know, blood 
curdling pumps and all that fun 

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stuff that you get. 
And so I formulated this, you 

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know to give that without any of
the negatives of like a high 

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stem product. 
And so it's energized by Alpha 

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GPC Lion's Main and beta 
hydroxybetarate in the form of 

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sodium and magnesium, but it 
also has potassium. 

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So it's a full electrolyte 
complex. 

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It's got beetroot, a good 
clinical dose of L citrulline. 6

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grams, 6 grams, 6 grams, over 
half a gram of sodium full 

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electrolyte complex. 
It's got 2 grams of beet root to

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aid and that nitric oxide flow. 
Cardiovascular health. 

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The thing I like about it the 
most honestly is like it's a pre

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workout but like it's like a 
good health supplement to like 

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people are going to get healthy 
benefits outside of the gym from

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taking this every day when they 
go to workout and like I I think

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that's a really cool thought but
it's all natural. 

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Everything's clinically dosed 
like there's over, there's a 

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gram of alpha GPC, which is like
close to what they use to like 

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help with like Alzheimer's, like
there's a lot of it in there. 

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And so I was really, really 
intentional about making sure 

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that the doses were actually 
going to do something that could

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be found in the literature so 
that it would give the full 

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benefits. 
Yeah. 

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And the energized Reds, you're 
kind of rebranding that a little

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bit to be more marketed as like 
a recovery supplement? 

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It's not really designed to be a
stimulant of sorts. 

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There's only like 35 milligrams 
of naturally occurring caffeine 

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in that one, right? 
Correct. 

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Yeah, in the matcha. 
So that's what was funny, was I 

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the whole reason I even got into
Reds was because I noticed they 

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would help me not be a sore 
after my runs. 

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You know, I run like 20 miles or
whatever and it would help me 

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not be a sore. 
That's why I made the Reds, cuz 

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I was like, man, people don't 
have a recovery product with 

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this. 
They all drink Bca's, which if 

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you look in the clinical 
literature, there's like really 

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no warrant for Bca's unless 
you're like in a very severe 

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deficit and you're not eating 
enough protein. 

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And maybe then, but even. 
Past that this, so people are 

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spending money on BCA's they're 
not really getting benefit from.

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It's all placebo based off what 
we know, so like, but we know 

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antioxidants and freeing. 
You know the letting go of free 

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radicals is super, super potent 
in the literature it's very 

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obvious. 
And so I was like man, I want to

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give a recovery supplement, but 
because it says energized 

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threads, people were like using 
it as a preworkout, which is 

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dope. 
That's fine if it makes you feel

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focused. 
But it's definitely not built 

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for that. 
It's built for recovery. 

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And so yeah, I'm going to be 
making sure that the new labels 

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on cuz we just got a new logo 
too. 

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So I got to redo the whole label
on the energized Reds in it in 

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the next couple orders. 
So I'm planning on like putting 

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recovery on there and making it 
known like OK, like this is the 

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recovery, this is the 
preworkout, etc. 

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I You watched that video clip of
me kind of shouting out the 

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supplements I take and including
you, right? 

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Yeah. 
I foamed a little bit on 

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differentiating between the Reds
and the greens I was get. 

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I kept referring to it as like a
green supplement as an example, 

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but it's not a green supplement.
So what's the difference there? 

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Yeah, so greens are dehydrated 
vegetables mostly. 

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So the problem is with like 
greens and Reds, and this is 

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where it gets kind of murky, is 
that like greens, powders will 

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have some dehydrated fruit and 
Reds powders will have some 

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dehydrated vegetables. 
Right or or or. 

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There's some overlap for sure, 
yeah. 

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But I would say the difference 
is, is that the greens is more 

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focused on vitamins and 
minerals, whereas the fruit ones

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are more based on antioxidant 
profile from what I've seen. 

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Although there could be an 
argument made that there's a lot

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of fat soluble vitamins and 
vegetables. 

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And so you're taking the 0 Fat 
greens product. 

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Like are you really absorbing 
those things, you know, 

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etcetera, etcetera. 
My biggest hiccup too is like. 

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With most Reds and greens 
powders, they're not clinically 

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dosed like that's my big stick 
is like everything I make is 

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clinically dosed. 
Meaning like I take hours and 

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hours and hours and I dig 
through the research and I go 

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okay, what is the most effective
dose of these ingredients? 

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And I don't skimp on that just 
to make a product and you get a 

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lot of greens and Reds powders 
and they have 100 milligrams of 

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this and 100 milligrams of that 
and it looks cool on the label, 

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right, like you you're like, oh,
I'm paying 50 bucks. 

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There's like 1000 things is I 
don't need to eat salad anymore.

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I can just take a scoop of 
greens. 

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But it's like you got to think 
100 milligrams of like broccoli 

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powder is nothing. 
Like it's nothing but it looks 

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cool, right. 
And so like if you look at the 

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Reds, you're going to see six 
ingredients, but you're going to

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see either 300 milligrams to 
over a gram of each, right, 

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Because I want to put an amount 
that's actually going to do 

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something for you in it. 
But yes, like the the big 

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difference there I would say is 
like the clinical dosage. 

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As well as like just the overall
impact that it has, because I 

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wouldn't say greens are good for
recovery. 

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Again, they're more of just like
a vitamin mineral kind of thing.

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But like the Reds, it's the 
antioxidants that really come 

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into play for me because I think
we can get all our vitamins and 

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minerals from meat like anybody 
on keto, while this product 

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doesn't say the word keto on it 
anywhere, it's very much 

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ketogenic friendly. 
And the idea behind that was 

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like we get plenty of vitamins 
and minerals from the food we 

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eat. 
Like I don't need to facilitate 

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that, but we do lower our carbs 
so we don't get a lot of 

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antioxidants. 
We get some from meat from not a

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lot. 
So if we have somebody that's 

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trying to be like an above 
average athlete, right, I want 

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to give them the chance to 
recover without having to worry 

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about the excess sugar that 
would come, you know, because 

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you I think, I think the 
antioxidants in my like a scoop 

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of antioxidants in my product, I
I did the numbers once and it 

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was like, I don't know, like 15 
servings of blueberries. 

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They get the exact same 
antioxidant profile that you get

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in one scoop of Reds with 0 
grams of sugar not just added 

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but zero. 
Total. 

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Yeah. 
So no, that's good, man. 

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And what? 
You're sweetening with stevia, 

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so no issues there. 
What have you had that Ag One 

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product like the they rebranded.
It was a I forget what it used 

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to be called, but now it's Ag 
ones, the one that all these 

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podcasters are sponsored by. 
Athletic greens. 

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Have you ever had that? 
I've never had it, but like, I 

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see the ads at the gym all the 
time and all I can think is 

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like, dude, their marketing team
is savage, man. 

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They're definitely getting the 
word out there. 

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And I don't know, like people 
rave about it and I've had it, 

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but I've never really felt a 
difference from it. 

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And they always say, hey, you 
got to be consistent with using 

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it for like 90 days. 
But like how much of that? 

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Just simply marketing too, Like 
you got to have it for 90 days, 

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so they get at least three 
months worth of subscription out

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of you. 
But I don't know, maybe it's 

447
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,280
great, but I personally can't 
tell. 

448
00:19:55,050 --> 00:19:57,410
Anything different, it turns my 
poop green. 

449
00:19:57,490 --> 00:20:01,810
I guess that's a huge benefit 
there and paying for green poop,

450
00:20:01,810 --> 00:20:02,810
you know? 
Yeah, you should do like a 

451
00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:05,370
progress photo of your bowels 
with your with your bodybuilding

452
00:20:05,410 --> 00:20:07,170
update. 
Like, oh, they're green today. 

453
00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:10,650
I don't, I don't use it. 
I mean I didn't really feel like

454
00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:13,290
most time I take that stuff I 
just like it gives me GI 

455
00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:14,890
distress. 
So I don't really use that 

456
00:20:14,890 --> 00:20:17,330
stuff. 
But I don't get any GI distress 

457
00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:20,730
with your product too, which is 
nice and like with most pre 

458
00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:23,090
workouts. 
I most certainly get some Giada 

459
00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:25,850
stress, largely because of the 
stimulants that are in it and 

460
00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:27,290
then just a lot of crap 
ingredients. 

461
00:20:27,290 --> 00:20:29,250
I don't get that at all with 
your stuff, which I appreciate, 

462
00:20:29,610 --> 00:20:31,490
and your stuff mixes really 
well. 

463
00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:35,450
Like I'll mix it up and a lot of
times the natural greens and 

464
00:20:35,450 --> 00:20:39,170
Reds, powders, they don't mix 
worth a damn and they're gross, 

465
00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:41,850
but yours is pretty legit, man 
like, it tastes good, it mixes 

466
00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:45,620
well and I feel pretty good, so.
Not to sound like I'm fluffing 

467
00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:47,740
your feathers too much, but I do
like it for sure. 

468
00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:50,020
Appreciate that. 
What did you think of the pre 

469
00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:51,100
work? 
Because you've had samples, 

470
00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:52,980
you've tried it more than 
anybody really so. 

471
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:56,780
No, it's good man. 
I definitely feel the the itchy 

472
00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:59,820
sensation with the pre workout 
and I'm not normally a huge fan 

473
00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:01,180
of that. 
But it wasn't like like it 

474
00:21:01,180 --> 00:21:04,060
seemed to be pretty short lived 
like it hit me and then the 

475
00:21:04,060 --> 00:21:06,740
itchy feeling was gone, like it 
didn't last very long, which I 

476
00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:08,780
like, like I don't like it to 
last very long. 

477
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:11,990
But I could certainly feel that.
And then I felt like I got a 

478
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:14,310
great pump, like I had energy. 
So is it? 

479
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:16,470
Is there any naturally occurring
caffeine in the pre work? 

480
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:19,190
I don't know. 
No, there's zero, literally zero

481
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:21,230
caffeine in the pre workout 
whatsoever. 

482
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:23,910
And I like the itchy because 
that's from the beta Alanine and

483
00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:28,070
most products put 3 grams and I 
put 1.5 intentionally so it 

484
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:29,910
didn't last that long. 
But you still got the benefits 

485
00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:31,790
of the beta Alan, because I hate
the itch too. 

486
00:21:32,030 --> 00:21:34,350
Yeah, some people love it, but 
man, drives me crazy. 

487
00:21:34,350 --> 00:21:36,590
I'm not a fan. 
But yeah, no, I like it. 

488
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:39,030
And then I've been mixing them 
together, so I put it put them 

489
00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:40,030
together and that was pretty 
good. 

490
00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:42,150
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Today, You look pretty swollen 

491
00:21:42,150 --> 00:21:43,830
today because you said. 
Yeah. 

492
00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:46,870
You said there's 500 milligrams 
of sodium in each one, right? 

493
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:48,150
Correct. 
So I had an extra 1000 

494
00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:52,430
milligrams total, which is good.
Very cool, man. 

495
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:54,030
All right, Now running. 
Let's talk about running. 

496
00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:58,550
So you've got the plans for the 
Ultra, multiple Ultra events. 

497
00:21:59,270 --> 00:22:01,310
In the in the near future what 
what are you training for? 

498
00:22:01,310 --> 00:22:03,110
You said you start training in 
the next two weeks. 

499
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:06,310
Yeah, so my my official training
running season starts on Monday.

500
00:22:06,550 --> 00:22:07,630
And what is that going to 
entail? 

501
00:22:08,030 --> 00:22:10,510
So it's going to entail a slow. 
So right now I'm running right 

502
00:22:10,510 --> 00:22:14,710
now from a running standpoint, 
so I running about 30 miles a 

503
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:17,510
week right now and so like I'll 
start tapering up to about 60 

504
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:19,230
miles a week. 
So like next week will probably 

505
00:22:19,230 --> 00:22:23,230
be like 40-45 then it'll be 50 
then 55 then 60 and then I'll 

506
00:22:23,230 --> 00:22:28,040
hold 6560 ish miles. 
Up until I peak, which when I 

507
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,720
peak I'm going to be doing, 
it'll be a 50 mile March, so I'm

508
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,800
going to go. 
I figured I'm walking so I can 

509
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720
push the mileage a little bit. 
So I'll probably get up to like 

510
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,520
100 miles that week and then two
weeks after that is my first 

511
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,520
race. 
So that in terms of running it's

512
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,160
just the tapering up, getting in
more longer distance runs my my 

513
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,520
speed workouts change a little 
bit. 

514
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,520
They're not as, they're not as 
like like. 

515
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,880
I don't do a lot of like. 
Quarter mile intervals that I do

516
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,680
right now, I'll do a lot of 
Yassos, I'll do a lot of tempo 

517
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,000
runs, things that are longer 
distance. 

518
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,360
And then my strength training is
very bodybuilding, bodybuilding,

519
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,320
split right now it's very like 
compound, you know, separate 

520
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,600
everything like in general. 
But when I get into the running 

521
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,520
season, I have to be mindful of 
too much weight on my body 

522
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,440
compared to the increase in 
mileage. 

523
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,280
So I'll probably pick four 
compound movements like squat. 

524
00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:24,460
Overhead press, bench press and 
hack squats and I'll probably do

525
00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:26,900
those four things once a week. 
Four sets of eight, four sets of

526
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:29,900
10, and then the rest of my 
movements will be very full body

527
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:33,500
motion, functional fitness, 
things like that to help just 

528
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,020
support the running. 
Gotcha. 

529
00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:38,740
So you're not going to be in 
peak week at the same time for 

530
00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:40,380
the 50 mile March. 
I'm going to be in peak week for

531
00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:41,980
bodybuilding competition the 
following weekend. 

532
00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:45,820
You're going to be in peak week 
for your ultra the following two

533
00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:47,580
week because your peak week's 2 
week peak time, right? 

534
00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:52,310
So with you increasing mileage 
week after week after week going

535
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:55,150
forward, is that going to impact
your nutrition? 

536
00:23:55,150 --> 00:23:57,950
Because like with my prep, you 
know I'm, I'm definitely 

537
00:23:57,950 --> 00:24:01,470
manipulating my macros every 
single week, but my training is 

538
00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:03,990
not really changing that much. 
I am increasing cardiograds, but

539
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:05,430
my actual training is not 
changing much. 

540
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:07,830
So when you're gearing up for a 
run. 

541
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,040
Are you changing much 
nutritionally? 

542
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120
Like are you changing your 
macros, your caloric intake, The

543
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,880
macro distribution? 
Are you leaving that pretty well

544
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,400
constant and just up in the 
mileage? 

545
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,400
Yeah. 
So the first, the first probably

546
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,320
four to six weeks, I haven't 
decided. 

547
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,200
It really depends on I got to 
look at my calories and and dial

548
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,280
it in a little bit. 
But probably the first four to 

549
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,120
six weeks, I'll be in about a 
500 calorie deficit and I'll do 

550
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,120
that intentionally. 
So it'll go up a little because 

551
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:33,960
as my mileage goes up, I burn 
more calories. 

552
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,400
And so I'm going to have to 
watch that and like increase my 

553
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,270
food accordingly because. 
I've noticed that if you're in a

554
00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:42,070
deficit deeper than that with 
the running, your body just 

555
00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:44,590
puckers out. 
It's better to lose fat slower 

556
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:47,910
over a gradual period of time, 
like a pound or half a pound a 

557
00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:51,910
week over the course of 6 to 12 
weeks, rather than, you know, a 

558
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:55,310
£2.00 a week or you know, to 
even 10% of my body weight. 

559
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:58,030
So, so you want to stay in a 
deficit, but you just want to 

560
00:24:58,030 --> 00:25:01,430
increase your intake as your 
mileage is increasing so that. 

561
00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:05,820
The amount of your deficit never
really exceeds that baseline. 

562
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:06,660
Correct? 
Correct. 

563
00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:08,380
Makes sense. 
So I'll do that for the first 

564
00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:12,220
six weeks and then once that 
happens, I'll move it up to 

565
00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:15,300
about a 250 calorie deficit. 
I'll do that for another four 

566
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:19,580
weeks or so and then about four 
to five weeks before my first 

567
00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:22,580
race, I'll go to maintenance and
I'll just stay at maintenance. 

568
00:25:24,330 --> 00:25:26,770
And and that will be interesting
because I've I have some big 

569
00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:29,370
races coming up and the amount 
of mileage I'm going to run, 

570
00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:32,730
I've never ran before. 
So I have a feeling this is what

571
00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:34,450
a lot of roads run into. 
I'm not going to be able to eat 

572
00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:36,410
my maintenance like the amount 
of calories I'm burning, I'm 

573
00:25:36,410 --> 00:25:38,970
just talking about to eat it. 
And so that's going to be an 

574
00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:41,290
interesting time for me because 
I'm just going to be just I'm 

575
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:43,970
just be eating as much as I 
possibly can Like tracking might

576
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:46,890
unless just to make sure I'm 
eating enough like it might go 

577
00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:49,690
out the window just because like
I have to eat more than I could 

578
00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:51,330
possibly. 
So it's just about getting food 

579
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:53,310
in. 
So that'll be interesting. 

580
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:55,350
I'm trying to figure out how to 
be more strategic about that. 

581
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:57,230
Like, I want to proactively plan
for that because I've never 

582
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:59,110
experienced that before. 
I don't want to just go into it 

583
00:25:59,110 --> 00:26:02,630
and be like, oh, how many keto 
bricks I can eat in a day kind 

584
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:04,070
of thing. 
I want to be, you know, 

585
00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:07,870
intentional with it. 
Because event point like when 

586
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:10,950
you're doing mileage for 
training for like that 250 mile 

587
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:13,870
or 240 mile, you can put in how 
many miles a week roughly? 

588
00:26:14,150 --> 00:26:16,830
180 to 100 somewhere in there. 
Yeah. 

589
00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:20,030
So at 100 miles a week, I mean 
in order to hit maintenance 

590
00:26:20,030 --> 00:26:21,970
intake. 
From a caloric standpoint, 

591
00:26:21,970 --> 00:26:24,370
you're going to be at like, 
what, 5-6 thousand counters, 

592
00:26:24,370 --> 00:26:26,090
yeah? 
Like 5000 a day if I including 

593
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:28,210
the cross training, like 5000 a 
day every day. 

594
00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:30,690
And the problem with that is 
some people might be listening 

595
00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:32,730
like man, I could do that, but 
it's like you understand, like 

596
00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:35,410
it's that. 
For time is hard, like over a 

597
00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:37,570
long period of time. 
And running that far is like 

598
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:41,490
especially like easy pace, long 
distances is extremely appetite 

599
00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:43,170
suppressing. 
So it's super hard. 

600
00:26:43,170 --> 00:26:46,330
Like most of the time during my 
my running season, I'm force 

601
00:26:46,330 --> 00:26:49,440
feeding myself a lot, yeah. 
That's not good. 

602
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Like, have you ever, I mean, you
probably don't want to be like a

603
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,600
surplus because then you're just
gonna have, like extra weights 

604
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080
on and your body's just gonna 
have too much energy coming in 

605
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,400
to kind of, like be functioning 
at a, you know, well, old 

606
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,240
machine status, so, so-called. 
So, like, yeah, because they 

607
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,000
kind of manipulate some things 
on the fly, man. 

608
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,600
Yeah, yeah, it sometimes it 
changes day-to-day. 

609
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,400
Like I know. 
Like for CUZ for example, right?

610
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,700
Like, I know. 
Generally on average a human run

611
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:20,380
burns about 100 calories per 
mile. 

612
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,740
So sometimes what I'll do, and 
this has worked really well for 

613
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:26,140
me in the past, is I had like my
base, So I know like okay, 2500 

614
00:27:26,140 --> 00:27:28,940
calories is my base. 
Like if I don't eat anything, if

615
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:31,860
I don't work out, I know I burn 
about 2500 calories a day just 

616
00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:34,420
existing. 
And then whatever mileage I'm 

617
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:37,740
running that day, I'll just 
times that by 100 and then put 

618
00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:40,420
that on top of my food. 
And then if I work out I'll just

619
00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:42,140
add like an extra 100 or 
something like that, so like. 

620
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,200
Mondays I work out and I run 6 
miles, so I'll add 700 to my 

621
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,880
2500 and that's like my 
maintenance. 

622
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,360
But you got to think like, yeah,
like you get up to 100 miles a 

623
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:51,600
week. 
You're running like 15 miles a 

624
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,320
day. 
So it's 1500 plus the hundred or

625
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,680
two from the lifting, which is 
like 17 on top of the 2500. 

626
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,800
And you're doing that every 
single day. 

627
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,080
Yeah, it gets, it gets pretty 
wild from a caloric standpoint 

628
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,640
for sure. 
Yeah, it's pretty well, yeah. 

629
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,280
And you don't have any issues 
with your joints running that 

630
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,480
much mileage a week. 
Like no issues there. 

631
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,040
No, no issues at all. 
I we actually talked about this 

632
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,040
a couple days ago. 
I really don't think it's a I 

633
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,320
don't think it's a running 
issue. 

634
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,960
Like I think joints is a 
malnutrition like a bad 

635
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,280
nutrition. 
I say amount because there's 

636
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,720
plenty of runners eat a lot of 
calories and stuff. 

637
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Joint problems. 
I think it's bad form. 

638
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,640
I think it's bad shoes and I 
think it's lack of nutrition and

639
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,240
chronic cortisol. 
I think they're cortisol. 

640
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,760
Leach is too much because they 
either run too much they don't 

641
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,120
strength train so their joints 
get super stressed. 

642
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:38,230
And like the ketogenic world, 
the conversation of carbs comes 

643
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:40,390
up because of the amount of 
cortisol produced from all the 

644
00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:43,110
running. 
And so like, I think that's more

645
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:45,990
of an issue is the cortisol. 
And just like form, I don't 

646
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:48,150
really think it's like the 
mileage itself that's the 

647
00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:50,630
problem. 
It's like OK, but what context 

648
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:54,190
are you running those miles in? 
So this is a good segue here 

649
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:55,950
talking about cortisol, keygen 
diet. 

650
00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:56,870
Yeah. 
Running. 

651
00:28:56,910 --> 00:29:01,150
Yeah. 
You used to be hardcore strict, 

652
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:04,110
like no excess carbs other than 
trace carbs you were consuming. 

653
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:07,390
Now you're incorporating more 
carbs with your running. 

654
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:09,070
I mean, you're still producing 
ketones. 

655
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:10,870
Like I would still, I would 
argue that you're still 

656
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:13,910
definitely in a ketotic state 
because I mean the amount of 

657
00:29:13,910 --> 00:29:15,630
carbs you are consuming in the 
amount of energy you're 

658
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,110
expending, like you're 
definitely still producing and 

659
00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:21,510
using fat and ketones, but like,
what have you noticed? 

660
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:25,350
Like at what point did you find 
that you had to incorporate 

661
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:27,120
carbs? 
To minimize. 

662
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Cortisol levels, Yeah, that's a 
good question. 

663
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,480
And before I answer, I want to 
just preface like don't listen 

664
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,160
to this and just like go eat 
like a funnel cake cuz that's 

665
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,880
not the even remotely the same 
conversation. 

666
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200
But I do think it would be 
advantageous for a lot of people

667
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,480
that want to get in the running 
that do want to be ketogenic, 

668
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,330
so. 
About I started running and I 

669
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:46,970
was strict Keto. 
I can remember we recorded a 

670
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:49,490
podcast like right after my show
or the the photo shoot during 

671
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:51,410
COVID and I was like, I'm going 
to be a runner and I was like 

672
00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:53,410
I'm going to be a 0 car runner. 
I remember that and you were 

673
00:29:53,410 --> 00:29:56,730
like. 
Now look at Jason, the car 

674
00:29:56,730 --> 00:30:02,730
behind Great Rd. 
April fools now, so about 

675
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:05,490
honestly, at first it went 
great, like my runs were great, 

676
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:10,370
I was progressing well. 
And then all of a sudden I 

677
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:12,090
started to notice that, like my 
heart rate. 

678
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:14,820
Was higher at the same pace like
by like 5 beats. 

679
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:18,140
Like nothing drastic, but like I
noticed it and then it got to 10

680
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:20,460
and then it got to 15. 
And then I started noticing when

681
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:22,780
I was walking around throughout 
the day, my resting heart rate 

682
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:26,700
was like 8090. 
And I'm like, this is weird, but

683
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,780
I was like, OK, maybe it's just 
my body adjusting. 

684
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:32,660
So I took a couple days off. 
I remember one time I took a 

685
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:35,180
whole week off of running. 
I was just like trying different

686
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:37,380
things. 
That didn't work And so then I 

687
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:39,700
went into macro manipulations. 
I was like, maybe I'm not eating

688
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,620
enough, so I started eating a 
little bit more. 

689
00:30:41,780 --> 00:30:44,020
What was crazy though was I was 
still in deficit based off of 

690
00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:45,940
the calories. 
I was burning what I was eating,

691
00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:48,140
but I was gaining weight like I 
was gaining weight. 

692
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:52,460
I couldn't lose any weight. 
And then the resting heart rate 

693
00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:53,860
continued. 
How many calories were you 

694
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,660
eating at that? 
Probably like 2728 hundred. 

695
00:30:56,660 --> 00:31:01,780
I was running 50 miles a week so
I was burning like 3334 and. 

696
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:05,740
You are How tall, 511? 
And you don't know what your 

697
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:07,460
weight. 
Is right now 180 a 190? 

698
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,300
You know I don't. 
OK, so you notice your heart 

699
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:12,780
rate elevating. 
Yeah, yeah. 

700
00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:14,660
And. 
And I paid it on mine at first. 

701
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:16,540
Like, I didn't even correlate 
that it could have been like a 

702
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:18,220
cortisol issue. 
I didn't really understand that 

703
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:22,340
at the time. 
And so I tried everything, man. 

704
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:26,340
Like I started like, I tried 
alternate day fasting. 

705
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:28,580
I tried Internet fasting. 
I tried no fasting at all. 

706
00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:33,370
I did 80% fat keto I did, you 
know. 50% protein, I did. 

707
00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:34,250
High protein. 
Maybe it was. 

708
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:36,050
I wasn't getting enough protein 
so I wasn't recovering. 

709
00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:39,010
Like I I couldn't figure it out.
And at the time I was so like 

710
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:41,250
not going to do carbs. 
I was that I just didn't even 

711
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:42,410
cross my mind. 
It was not an option. 

712
00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:43,890
Like there was something else 
missing. 

713
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:46,650
Because at the time I was like, 
there's no situation in life 

714
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:49,330
where you need these things and 
I was super adamant about it. 

715
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:53,010
And so but then the heart rate 
kept getting worse and then all 

716
00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:55,170
of a sudden I got, I kept 
getting injuries and I was like,

717
00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:57,690
why am I getting injuries? 
Like it was just one week, I had

718
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:59,730
my Achilles and then it was my 
hip and then it was. 

719
00:32:00,190 --> 00:32:02,830
I was like, what is going on? 
And this is what time frame? 

720
00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:09,110
This is, it would have been 20 
when was the IT was 2020, right.

721
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:10,670
Was the COVID preps Yeah. 
Yeah. 

722
00:32:10,670 --> 00:32:13,030
Yeah. 
So it had been fall of 2020 so 

723
00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:15,550
about because I started running 
in April of 2020 and this would 

724
00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:18,630
have been like, I think this was
like October, November of 2020 

725
00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:22,630
and I started getting injuries 
and that was really annoying. 

726
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:25,500
And then they would heal, but I 
would get them. 

727
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,860
And then my runs were still 
getting bad. 

728
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:30,860
Like I was running like what I 
would normally run, but like my 

729
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:32,620
heart rate was like 20 beats per
minute. 

730
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:34,540
I had to walk all the time 
because I couldn't run at the 

731
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:37,140
pace, the heart rate I needed. 
And all of a sudden I started to

732
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:38,900
get depressed. 
I started like to the point 

733
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:41,380
where, like people around me 
were like, are you okay? 

734
00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:43,740
And I was like and I got to the 
point I was like, I don't think 

735
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:46,020
I am okay. 
And then I started to really 

736
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:49,100
connect, like the running was 
doing something to my body that 

737
00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:52,450
I wasn't able to fix. 
And that's when I really got put

738
00:32:52,450 --> 00:32:56,370
in a weird position because for 
me, like, I've searched my whole

739
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:58,130
life to find something I'm good 
at. 

740
00:32:58,250 --> 00:33:02,250
And I really felt like I had 
found it, but it was like, but 

741
00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:04,890
now it's rejecting me. 
Like, why is it rejecting me? 

742
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:07,410
And it was like I was in the 
situation where I was just like,

743
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:10,170
I've tried everything, you know?
My resting heart rate got up to 

744
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:12,650
my my resting. 
My fasted blood sugar got up to 

745
00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:14,730
like 120. 
I got, I have like, spreadsheets

746
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:16,710
on this, like. 
It got, it's like 120. 

747
00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:19,510
I was like prediabetic, but I 
was eating 10 total carbs a day.

748
00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:21,910
It made, it literally made no 
sense physiologically to me. 

749
00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:24,670
And I was like, I'm going to 
have to give up running. 

750
00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:28,630
And one of my friends was like a
good friend of ours, Frida. 

751
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:30,230
She doesn't mind shutting her 
out there. 

752
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:35,070
She was like, dude, just just 
try, just try carbs once and if 

753
00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:38,950
it doesn't work, move on. 
And at the time, I didn't want 

754
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:40,630
to because, you know, I was 
proud of the whole, you know, I 

755
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:43,270
was three years strict keto, 
like you don't need it to build.

756
00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:45,030
Yeah, I was really proud of that
and it was really. 

757
00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:46,910
I also didn't want to let other 
people down, right? 

758
00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:49,350
Like, there's other people in 
this face that I respect that, 

759
00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:52,190
You know, I was, they knew I was
trying to do the zero carb and 

760
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:53,430
like, there's people I didn't 
want to let down. 

761
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:54,310
It was really hard. 
Honestly. 

762
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:57,070
It was me doing. 
This was a big moment for me to 

763
00:33:57,070 --> 00:34:00,030
like, believe in myself and, 
like, have confidence and take a

764
00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:01,430
risk. 
And if the risk didn't work, it 

765
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:03,590
didn't work. 
So I decided to try some. 

766
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:05,190
I did. 
I just did targeted carbs. 

767
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:08,270
It was 50 grams total right 
after my run. 

768
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:13,150
And I remember I did it the 
first day with Acorn Squash 

769
00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:16,800
because I was a little scared. 
And I woke up the next morning 

770
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,400
and my blood sugar was in the 
90s. 

771
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,320
It was the first time I've been 
in the 90s in months. 

772
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,840
And I was like, whoa, OK, I went
on a run. 

773
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,199
The run was still terrible, but 
I had sweet potato right 

774
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,960
afterwards and my blood sugar, 
two hours of the sweet potato 

775
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,920
was 79, which tripped me out 
because I was like, this makes 

776
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,960
no sense. 
This should have skyrocketed my 

777
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,920
blood sugar. 
Like, why is it? 

778
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,880
2. 
Hours, two hours post perennial.

779
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,360
And I was like, why'd this 
happen? 

780
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,719
Which sent me down this rabbit 
hole of literature. 

781
00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:44,830
And then I kept doing it and my 
blood sugar started to get back 

782
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:47,429
into the 70s and my ketones even
went up and I was like, this is 

783
00:34:47,429 --> 00:34:49,710
wild. 
And then my runs slowly started 

784
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:51,469
to get better. 
And I literally, since I started

785
00:34:51,469 --> 00:34:54,550
doing that, I have not gotten 
injury and injury from a run 

786
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,470
like a not one since I started 
doing that. 

787
00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:03,830
And So what I found was that 
the, the, the cortisol response 

788
00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:07,110
from running is really intense 
and people often don't think 

789
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:10,020
about it because. 
Not only is the the the bout of 

790
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:12,420
exercise stressful itself 
because it's constant pounding 

791
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:16,100
on joints and body, but the 
glycogen replenishment is also 

792
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:18,140
stressful because your body has 
to leach cortisol for 

793
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:21,220
gluconeogenesis, which is fine 
when you know other things are 

794
00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,980
going on, but when the running's
added to it, it's really a lot. 

795
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:26,580
And then top on that I'm, you 
know, I think I would like to 

796
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:29,940
say for a runner I've got a good
good frame on me muscular wise, 

797
00:35:30,220 --> 00:35:33,340
I cross train and that's another
glycogen depleting thing. 

798
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:37,060
And you, I think you're running 
50 miles a week and lifting four

799
00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:39,540
or five times a week. 
I mean your body literally 

800
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:41,460
doesn't get a break, especially 
if you're somebody that 

801
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:43,180
genetically needs more rest 
period than others. 

802
00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:45,660
And there's a lot of factors, 
but just the cortisol was 

803
00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:48,460
running rampant. 
And So what was happening was 

804
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:52,100
when I ate the carbohydrates, 
they weren't like like 50 grams 

805
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:55,500
of carbs, even 200 grams of 
carbs, it's like it's like 800 

806
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,500
calories, right? 
If I'm burning 35104 thousand on

807
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:01,060
a long day where I would, let's 
say I'd eat 100 and 5200 grams 

808
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:04,520
of carbs, it would be like on a.
A 24 mile run or like a really 

809
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,360
intense tempo day, I mean the 
amount of calories, it's 

810
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,240
nothing. 
It's really nothing calorically.

811
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,520
So then what is it doing for me?
Because it's not my main energy 

812
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,200
source. 
So what I've what's happening 

813
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,520
is, is when insulin rises it 
suppresses cortisol because the 

814
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,360
whole reason cortisol like our 
body stress response is to raise

815
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,880
cortisol to stimulate sugar 
creation to give us the quick 

816
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,480
energy to get out of the 
situation. 

817
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Right. 
Same with like lifting. 

818
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,240
Like when you look super heavy, 
like it's super glycolytic 

819
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,200
because your body's like quick 
energy, get out of the 

820
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,920
situation, heavy squat, 
whatever. 

821
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,920
And so when that's chronically 
leaking due to like, not being 

822
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480
able to catch up, it's a 
problem. 

823
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,440
So when you introduce the 
exogenous carbohydrates, it 

824
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,160
suppresses the cortisol and lets
your body tap back into fat 

825
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,440
burning. 
Now obviously there's a lot of 

826
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,460
nuance there because. 
What's the spillover amount? 

827
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:55,500
How active are you? 
Are you managing the other 

828
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,460
things in your life, right? 
Like are you sleeping well? 

829
00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:59,540
Are you eating enough? 
Are you resting enough? 

830
00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:03,580
Is your training routine proper?
So it's not a super like, simple

831
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:07,420
discussion, but like, I do know 
that like ketogenic runners, 

832
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:10,420
they have to be more mindful of 
the hormone balance and other 

833
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:13,820
types of athletes. 
Not because running is more 

834
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:17,860
hardcore or harder, it's just 
that the type of the type of 

835
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:21,460
movement is more stressful on 
the body overall. 

836
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:25,870
Gotcha. 
Out of curiosity, do you feel 

837
00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:29,030
like you are more stressed now 
than you were at that point in 

838
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:33,550
your life, like 2020? 
Like is your sleep better now? 

839
00:37:33,550 --> 00:37:36,710
Is your stress levels lower now?
Like how would you compare your 

840
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:40,230
lifestyle factors now compared 
to then when you were getting 

841
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:41,910
all the injuries? 
It might be hard to believe 

842
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:44,670
because everybody's like COVID. 
I know what he's about to say. 

843
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:46,470
No, literally my life's way more
stressful now. 

844
00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:49,130
Yeah, because like during well, 
during COVID, like, you know, I 

845
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:52,330
had, I had one company that was 
the only thing I was doing. 

846
00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:54,930
Ashley was pregnant and she was 
on maternity, you know, a lot of

847
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:55,650
it. 
She was on maternity. 

848
00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:59,410
So she was home all day and we 
couldn't leave the house. 

849
00:37:59,770 --> 00:38:01,770
And so like, I wasn't doing 
anything but like chilling on 

850
00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:03,490
social media. 
My life was like super chill and

851
00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:04,650
like I already worked from home 
anyway. 

852
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:07,170
So like, I was fine. 
Like I honestly had nothing. 

853
00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:09,210
I was kind of bored to be 
honest, during COVID, Like COVID

854
00:38:09,210 --> 00:38:10,930
was a really weird time for me 
because like. 

855
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,560
It really exacerbated like the 
laziness in my life, cuz I was 

856
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,480
like, I don't even know what to 
do with myself right now. 

857
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Yeah, I'm way more stressed out 
now in terms of like 

858
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,240
responsibility. 
I have a child now, you know, I 

859
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,760
have. 
I have two companies. 

860
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,280
I also do other things. 
You know, we're moving, like all

861
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,240
this stuff's happening, but like
my I can regulate my body better

862
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,640
just because I understand my 
nutrition better and rest and 

863
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,560
stuff. 
But like, yeah, and. 

864
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,640
Now, like when you're doing a 
run, you're typically only 

865
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,920
including the carbohydrates post
run. 

866
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:43,690
If you run X amount of miles or 
how do you kind of structure 

867
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:45,250
that? 
So X amount of miles or 

868
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:47,530
intensity. 
So like for example like 

869
00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:49,650
yesterday we did 4 yassos, 
right? 

870
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:53,170
That's not like 4 miles is not 
enough for me to feel like I 

871
00:38:53,170 --> 00:38:55,610
shouldn't be ketogenic that day 
like those, like my body can 

872
00:38:55,610 --> 00:39:00,370
deal with that generally. 
But like let's say like 

873
00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:03,450
yesterday would have been like 
10 miles with like 10 yassos. 

874
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:05,810
I would have, I would have had 
carbs, I would have had like 

875
00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:07,890
generally I try to stick with 
like fruit and tubers. 

876
00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:09,890
I'll have white rice like like 
the only grain I'll eat. 

877
00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:14,370
Just because it's glutenfree and
it's easily digestible and it 

878
00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:18,290
doesn't bother me at all. 
But that's like the that would 

879
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:21,010
be a time like really intense 
tempos plus the cross training, 

880
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:22,050
right? 
Because typically on Mondays I 

881
00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:23,250
destroyed my legs. 
I told you that. 

882
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,890
So like, I'll run 10 miles and 
you know, eight of those will be

883
00:39:26,890 --> 00:39:29,410
at the intensity that you and I 
ran those Yassos at. 

884
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:32,170
And then I'll go in the gym 2 
hours later and I'll rip my legs

885
00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:34,690
apart. 
And so that would be a day that 

886
00:39:34,690 --> 00:39:37,540
I would, I would cycle out. 
And then like my long run day, 

887
00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:40,860
so like anytime that I run over,
I would say over 1/2 marathon, 

888
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,460
so anytime my miles get over 12,
my carbs are going to go up to 

889
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:47,660
replenish the glycogen that. 
Might be how high does it go up?

890
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:49,340
Like if you run a half marathon,
how many carbs? 

891
00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:51,540
How many grams of carbs you? 
Have it really depends on the 

892
00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:55,140
the intensity so like the higher
the higher I get the higher I'll

893
00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:57,300
go. 
So like I think the the minimum 

894
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,620
on a day like that I found works
because if you only eat that's 

895
00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:02,460
what I found like there's like a
threshold so like. 

896
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,680
If I only eat 50 total carbs, 
it's really not enough to do 

897
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,800
anything. 
It's not really solving the 

898
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,040
problem I find like on a what I 
would call like a easier long 

899
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,960
run, probably like 100 and 2000 
and 25 and then the highest I've

900
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,110
gone. 
I didn't experiment a couple 

901
00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:20,270
weeks ago, but that doesn't 
count. 

902
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:23,110
What was the experiment? 
I did a week of high carb 

903
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:24,230
running cuz I wanted to know 
like. 

904
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:26,710
Oh, I saw that you were doing 
like you were trying to eat like

905
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:28,630
traditional Distance Runner 
wouldn't eat. 

906
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:29,990
And how'd that go? 
It was. 

907
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:32,190
It was there was. 
It taught me some things, but I 

908
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:34,190
hated it. 
I hated every second of it, cuz 

909
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:36,190
I'd never. 
I got into running after being 

910
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:38,750
ketogenic, so I didn't know what
it was like to eat high carbs. 

911
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:40,790
So I was doing like 350 grams a 
day. 

912
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:45,230
Yeah, I got to 400 once. 
And the first day it was fine, 

913
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:47,870
which was like and my blood 
sugar was like in the 80s after 

914
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:48,870
meals. 
And I was like, man, I'm really 

915
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:51,910
metabolically flexible, my body 
soaking these up, okay. 

916
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:54,590
So what that taught me was like 
on my really intense days, I can

917
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:57,910
actually benefit from like 200 
grams 250. 

918
00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:00,750
But what I noticed was like 
after doing it for three days 

919
00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:04,750
straight, I started to feel like
a total piece of garbage, Like, 

920
00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:07,660
I felt terrible. 
I would wake up in the morning 

921
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:10,460
and have to eat to feel awake. 
And I it brought me back to like

922
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:12,060
high school. 
Which is funny because like when

923
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,460
you're in high school, you like,
you have all, like that puberty 

924
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:16,900
energy and stuff. 
And so you don't really think 

925
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,300
about, like, how you felt. 
But like, I remember, like 

926
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:21,940
waking up and dragging myself to
the kitchen table and like 

927
00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:24,580
eating a bowl of Captain Crunch 
and finally after finishing it, 

928
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:26,580
like waking up. 
And it's like, I never 

929
00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:29,820
associated that with being 
dependent on carbs for my 

930
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:31,700
energy. 
So I definitely noticed like 

931
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:33,860
doing it too many days 
consecutively created a 

932
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:35,420
dependency. 
What was your like? 

933
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,460
Mental clarity like? 
The first day it was fine, but 

934
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,580
after that it was trash. 
It was trash. 

935
00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:44,540
The only the two bit effects I 
got, what I did know, I ran 

936
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:47,900
every day that week. 
So it definitely like gave me 

937
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,580
the energy to do things, but 
like, my cognitive function was 

938
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:54,930
really bad. 
Without it I had no energy at 

939
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:58,530
all, so my body was extremely 
like exogenous fuel dependent, 

940
00:41:58,970 --> 00:42:02,210
which was a problem so I didn't 
you had to eat all the time. 

941
00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:06,250
What about? 
Digestion was fine, but that's 

942
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:08,050
only because I did break a few 
rules. 

943
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:10,450
I would not eat grains or I 
wouldn't eat gluten. 

944
00:42:10,610 --> 00:42:12,290
I wasn't going to eat processed 
food. 

945
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:15,450
So like, I was like getting all 
my carbs from like rice and 

946
00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:19,330
sweet potatoes and like cassava 
based like chips and stuff like 

947
00:42:19,330 --> 00:42:21,980
Sieta chips, like. 
I was being really, really like 

948
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:24,260
intentional because I refuse. 
Like I'm not going to eat a 

949
00:42:24,260 --> 00:42:25,420
Twinkie just for a YouTube 
video. 

950
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:26,940
It's not how I haven't had 
Twinkie in seven years. 

951
00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:29,580
It's not going to happen. 
So like that kind of helped me 

952
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:31,020
with the digestion, cuz I didn't
really. 

953
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:33,300
I just ate more, more of the 
foods I generally eat. 

954
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,860
I didn't, like, do other things 
just for the sake of the video. 

955
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:40,460
I wasn't willing to do that. 
So that helps with the digestion

956
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:42,700
portion for sure, but I'd never 
do it again. 

957
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,860
Yeah, yeah. 
That's does not sound pleasant. 

958
00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:48,140
Yeah, it wasn't fun. 
All right, so I asked you this 

959
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:51,480
the other day. 
I am not a runner at all, like I

960
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,920
don't even like running. 
But what would I need to do as a

961
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,960
runner on a strict ketogenic 
diet to showcase that you can 

962
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,920
perform at a high level with 
endurance running in the 

963
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,120
complete absence of 
carbohydrates? 

964
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,720
So what would I need to do to 
prove that to you? 

965
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,720
Wait to prove it to me? 
Or how do I think you should go 

966
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,120
about trying it? 
Like I like for me, I just want 

967
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,280
to showcase to people they can 
compete at a high level in the 

968
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,640
complete absence of 
carbohydrates. 

969
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,960
And I get there's a lot of new 
ones. 

970
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,640
Everybody's a little bit 
different, but I've tried to do 

971
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,640
that with bodybuilding because 
that's the support that 

972
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440
traditionally is viewed as 
having to require carbohydrates 

973
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,720
to excel at. 
And I've, I feel like I've 

974
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,920
dispelled that myth. 
What would I have to do in the 

975
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,000
world of running to dispel that 
myth? 

976
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Well, when I think about that, I
think about like what what is, 

977
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,040
what would, what do you consider
high performing. 

978
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,010
So like for example, right like.
I think a good a good test would

979
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:44,050
be like you fat adapting 
training properly. 

980
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:46,490
That means like understanding 
like the nuance of like how many

981
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:49,090
miles you should run versus your
strength training, like figuring

982
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:52,370
all that out in a way that gives
your body time to recover and 

983
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:55,210
replenish glycogen, which I 
think for you because 

984
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:57,610
genetically you just recover 
really fast, I think you 

985
00:43:57,610 --> 00:44:00,730
actually have a benefit there. 
But I think like doing like an 

986
00:44:00,730 --> 00:44:03,930
ultra at like an easy pace 
fasted would be a great 

987
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:06,610
statement of like, hey, like you
don't like like Mike's done 

988
00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:08,210
that, he's done 100 mile 
completely fasted. 

989
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:11,170
Like, that's savagery, right? 
Like that's that's the fat 

990
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:15,490
adaptation at its finest. 
What really gets interesting is 

991
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:19,450
like if you start like getting 
in like the top 5% of a race, 

992
00:44:19,570 --> 00:44:23,490
like over 50 because like a 10K,
if you trained and you ran a 10K

993
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:25,450
or a half marathon, you could do
it completely fast. 

994
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:28,130
I have no doubt, especially with
your genetics and your effort 

995
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:30,130
and your willingness. 
You could do that completely 

996
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,370
fast. 
You could probably crack two 

997
00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:33,730
hours easy, completely fast. 
Well, my marathon I did 

998
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:36,330
completely fast, but that was 
having the first, like that was 

999
00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:37,970
the first time I'd run in seven 
years, part of that. 

1000
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:40,130
So I didn't place that well cuz 
my feet were conditioned. 

1001
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:44,130
But if I go and do like the Moab
240 and I kick ass with it with 

1002
00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:45,930
zero carbs, like is that going 
to open your eyes? 

1003
00:44:45,970 --> 00:44:47,450
Well, I'm going to be, I'm going
to be interested. 

1004
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:49,570
Yeah. 
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1005
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:51,650
I'm trying to figure out like, 
cuz I don't want to be like, I 

1006
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:54,450
don't think it's possible 
because like the reality is, is 

1007
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:55,940
that. 
Even though I have my own 

1008
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:58,860
personal experience, I'm still 
very much an amateur at this. 

1009
00:44:58,860 --> 00:45:02,020
Like I plan on going pro this 
year, Wink, wink, hint, hint. 

1010
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:05,580
But like I'm not a pro yet and 
so like I'm not going to go 

1011
00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:07,260
there and be like this is 
impossible. 

1012
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:09,060
I know that it was impossible 
for me. 

1013
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:10,260
The what what I. 
Was going to do. 

1014
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:12,140
What do you have to do to be a 
professional runner? 

1015
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:15,940
Like what criteria is that? 
I don't know, but I figured if I

1016
00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:19,260
just win the Coco Donut 250, 
they don't really have anything 

1017
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:24,030
to say to me. 
I don't know exactly what it 

1018
00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:25,550
means to be a pro. 
I think you have to get on the 

1019
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:27,790
pedestal once. 
I think like a distant, like an 

1020
00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:29,190
old, like a professional ultra 
runner. 

1021
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:33,590
I think that you have to either.
I think it's a place in the top 

1022
00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:36,070
three of any ultra event and 
obviously if someone's listening

1023
00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:38,470
and and I don't know the exact 
nuances and you do, please 

1024
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:39,670
e-mail me. 
I'd love to hear it. 

1025
00:45:40,850 --> 00:45:42,970
But an ultra event is defined as
anything greater than a 

1026
00:45:42,970 --> 00:45:43,810
marathon. 
Correct. 

1027
00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:46,290
Anything over 26 point. 
But in the world of ultra 

1028
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:48,250
runners like, they kind of 
probably turn their nose up to 

1029
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:50,650
anything less than at least 50 
miles. 

1030
00:45:50,770 --> 00:45:51,970
Yeah, there's a saying. 
They say. 

1031
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:54,210
What is it? 
What is the saying? 

1032
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:58,490
It's like, Oh yeah, ultra 
runners. 

1033
00:45:58,490 --> 00:46:03,050
Because marathons are for 
sissies and true sports only 

1034
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:04,810
start when you go into Oregon. 
Failure. 

1035
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:08,600
OK, I like that. 
So what is that typically like 

1036
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,600
50 miles and up is you know the 
the undisclosed true ultra 

1037
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,080
distances. 
Yeah, yeah, like I would. 

1038
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,080
I would, I would be really 
impressed if you went to like a 

1039
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,840
really. 
I wouldn't say I wouldn't do 

1040
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,960
like a well known 50 mile 
because until you like you've 

1041
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,240
trained for years it's going to 
be hard to place really high. 

1042
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,600
Like I would say I'm pretty 
genetically gifted for ultra 

1043
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,280
running like just based off of 
my observations of like my 

1044
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,960
experience with training and in 
my races. 

1045
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,440
But even me, like I have ways to
go like I I taught I placed in 

1046
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,080
the top 15 anytime I race but 
like. 

1047
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:39,930
The top three, the top, the 1st 
place is like I'm light years 

1048
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:41,730
behind that. 
I have years of training behind 

1049
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:44,610
before, but I would say like 
find like a good. 

1050
00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:48,490
I would say find like a good 50 
miler that has average 

1051
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:52,170
competition and then try to do 
it faster than see how fast you 

1052
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:53,930
can do it. 
That that would intrigue me a 

1053
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:55,730
lot. 
Yeah, I feel like as long as I 

1054
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:58,570
get my feet conditioned to M 
rocks, all my like my feet are 

1055
00:46:58,570 --> 00:47:00,880
my Achilles heel. 
You know, that's what I find 

1056
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,360
interesting though. 
So, like, because we talked 

1057
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,640
about that and I feel like what 
what's going to interest me? 

1058
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,600
And here's the thing, too is 
like, I want to, I don't want 

1059
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,000
you to be wrong. 
Like, that's the thing. 

1060
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,240
Like, I want you to prove me 
wrong. 

1061
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:13,480
Like it would fascinate me and 
it would make me look at my 

1062
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,440
nutrition because, like, I love 
the ketogenic diet. 

1063
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,040
Like if I went back to strict 
bodybuilding, I would eliminate 

1064
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,480
the cycling. 
Like I would because I know I 

1065
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,120
don't need it. 
Right. 

1066
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,320
Like, I only do this because I 
feel like it's out of necessity.

1067
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,360
Plus it's helped me have a 
better relationship with like 

1068
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,760
whole food carbs. 
Like I'm not scared of tubers 

1069
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,520
anymore. 
I'm not like, you know. 

1070
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,400
Anybody to be scared of any food
group. 

1071
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,040
Like I don't. 
I'm not an advocate for strict 

1072
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,080
keto because I'm fearful of 
carbohydrates, you know, like I 

1073
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,120
don't want anybody to be fearful
of any food group. 

1074
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Yeah, but like, you know, if you
prove me wrong, I mean freaking 

1075
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,480
savage like I'm I'm, I'm game 
for it. 

1076
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,280
But like with your feet. 
So like when you say your feet 

1077
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,280
or your problem, what'll 
interest me is once your feet 

1078
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,320
are not the problem and you're 
able to actually train at a high

1079
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,880
level as a runner, how is your 
body going to? 

1080
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,760
Because you don't know what you 
don't know what your body does 

1081
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,200
at. 
Like like full intense training 

1082
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,560
as a runner where your feet are 
fine. 

1083
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,920
We you don't know what your 
muscles do. 

1084
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,880
You don't know how they because 
we were talking about like 

1085
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,120
energy and distance. 
And I think a lot of people when

1086
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,080
they think of energy, especially
on a key drink diet, because 

1087
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,440
mental cognitive function is 
always emphasized, which is 

1088
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,120
great. 
We think of Oh well, when I was 

1089
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
running I always felt energy 
like I felt awake, like I was 

1090
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,990
able to keep going. 
But that's not like the energy 

1091
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:22,470
that I think runners only 
consider. 

1092
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:24,470
Like it's yeah, mental cognitive
function. 

1093
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:27,190
Can I focus on what I'm doing. 
But it's like, can my muscles 

1094
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:30,150
actually fire properly? 
Like are my muscle fibers fired?

1095
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:33,830
Because if even if it's gycogen 
sparing, if you're running 50 

1096
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:37,790
miles at it over anaerobic pace,
right over your aerobic 

1097
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:39,790
threshold. 
So like you're, you know, for me

1098
00:48:39,790 --> 00:48:43,400
example, if I'm running a. 50 
mile or at 160 beats per minute,

1099
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,040
I'm tapping in the glycogen. 
I'll be it not as much as 

1100
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,360
another runner. 
So eventually I'm going to go 

1101
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,560
into a really dangerous place 
glycogen wise that happens. 

1102
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,440
My muscles will stop firing. 
If they stop firing I'm going to

1103
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,760
have to slow down. 
So I can't be competitive at 

1104
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,880
that point. 
So the question is, is what can 

1105
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,120
I do to keep my glycogen above 
that threshold so that I can 

1106
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,560
continue to be competitive, 
right. 

1107
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,560
So exact bit of talks about 
this, he's like most ketogenic 

1108
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,280
low carb ultra runners whereas 
like. 

1109
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:12,910
High carb runners, and I think 
this is important too, is like 

1110
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:15,590
prefacing, like the difference, 
the contrast, because I think 

1111
00:49:15,590 --> 00:49:19,030
when ketogenic people hear 150 
carbs, they're like, whoa, I 

1112
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:22,590
think I ate 100 and like my last
50 miler I placed twelve. 

1113
00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:24,870
I did it in nine hours and 3 
minutes. 

1114
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:28,230
My watch time was 858 but we're 
not going to talk about that. 

1115
00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:33,310
But and I ate 150 carbs that 
entire race. 

1116
00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:35,150
I, I, I I tracked it all 
beforehand. 

1117
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:36,230
I knew exactly what I was going 
to do. 

1118
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:37,350
My decision was on point for 
that. 

1119
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,080
That sounds like a lot to 
someone that's strict keto. 

1120
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,920
But like I had people that I 
knew in that race that ate 1000 

1121
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,920
grams of carbs during that run 
and I beat them right. 

1122
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,880
And so like, I didn't eat the 
carbs because they're my main 

1123
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,680
fuel source. 
I did it just to keep the 

1124
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,920
glycogen drip from bottoming me,
bottoming me out. 

1125
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,320
And so I think that that that's 
also a little bit different, but

1126
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,340
like, so for example, like. 
Low carb peogenic runner is 

1127
00:50:02,340 --> 00:50:05,060
going to shoot for 20 to 40 
grams of carbs an hour, which is

1128
00:50:05,060 --> 00:50:08,500
like, I mean, if you're burning 
700 calories running 7 miles an 

1129
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:12,260
hour faster than that, if you're
faster and you're eating 20 

1130
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,860
carbs, it's like what, 80 
calories? 

1131
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:15,060
It's nothing. 
It's nothing. 

1132
00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:18,460
Yeah, no, I totally agree. 
Like all these low carb known 

1133
00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:22,340
runners like you might make 
Night Zach better. 

1134
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:24,740
Like the amount of carbohydrates
are consuming in the amount that

1135
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:27,300
they're expending. 
Like they're definitely still in

1136
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:29,620
a fat burning state like 
nobody's. 

1137
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:32,250
Nobody should be contesting that
whatsoever. 

1138
00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:34,130
Like, I have mad respect for 
them for sure. 

1139
00:50:34,410 --> 00:50:37,730
I'm just curious to see if it 
can be optimized, you know, 

1140
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:40,970
maintaining 20 grams total 
carbs, you know, for the day. 

1141
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:43,330
Like, I'm kind of curious to see
if that's the case because 

1142
00:50:43,330 --> 00:50:45,810
everything's coming out now from
a research standpoint, showcases

1143
00:50:45,810 --> 00:50:49,650
that, hey, look, your body is 
going to be able to tap into and

1144
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:52,970
assimilate whatever you give it 
and do so optimally. 

1145
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:55,450
That's kind of a strange way to 
say that. 

1146
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:58,170
So your body is very adapt, like
it's going to adjust and use 

1147
00:50:58,170 --> 00:50:59,890
what you give it as a substrate 
for fuel. 

1148
00:51:00,090 --> 00:51:02,050
And if you allow yourself to 
fully adapt from a fan and 

1149
00:51:02,050 --> 00:51:05,490
ketone standpoint, it can become
increasingly efficient at using 

1150
00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:06,890
that as their primary fuel 
source. 

1151
00:51:07,170 --> 00:51:09,090
That's why I've been able to 
continue to excel in this world 

1152
00:51:09,090 --> 00:51:11,290
bodybuilding having been strict 
keto for eight years. 

1153
00:51:11,890 --> 00:51:15,290
I am not a runner by trade by 
any means, but I'm curious is if

1154
00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:19,330
I was to start running as a 
primary modality for training 

1155
00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:22,200
if. 
Me gradually scaling that up, my

1156
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,920
body, they would just continue 
to acclimate to that expenditure

1157
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,880
in a strict keto. 
Not that the 150 grams is not 

1158
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,120
strict keto, because again, the 
amount that you're burning is 

1159
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,360
still within the realms of what 
your body's using as a 

1160
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,000
substrate. 
But I'm curious to see if my 

1161
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,480
body can maintain high levels of
optimal performance at those 

1162
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,640
higher distances without the 
carb. 

1163
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,920
You know, without the strategic 
increases in carbs. 

1164
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,640
You know, like, I'm just 
curious. 

1165
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,880
But again, I'm not a runner, so 
I don't even know if I don't 

1166
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,400
even know if I care enough to 
try. 

1167
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,880
It is the thing. 
So it's OK Well, actually, so so

1168
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,640
let me ask you a question 
because I'm interested. 

1169
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,200
So, like, if you decide to 
actually get into it, if you get

1170
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,000
to a point where like like you 
text me like, dude, I'm feeling 

1171
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,720
this way and I'm like, bro, you 
need some carbs. 

1172
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,040
Are you really? 
You're not you. 

1173
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,080
You would just quit running, 
right? 

1174
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,120
Like, if you're like, where 
would you try it? 

1175
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,400
Well, again, I'm not a runner. 
So like, it's not it's not 

1176
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,080
important to me to be a world 
class runner. 

1177
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,920
I want to be a world class 
natural bodybuilder. 

1178
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,090
So like. 
Yeah, and I don't feel like I 

1179
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:17,010
would want to go that route 
because it's at that point, if 

1180
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:20,330
I'm running that much, it's 
going to hinder my bodybuilding 

1181
00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:22,370
endeavors. 
Yeah, you know, so like there's 

1182
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:26,690
that catch 22 as well. 
But if I ever like retired from 

1183
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:28,610
natural bodybuilding, said Okay,
What's the next thing? 

1184
00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:31,290
Let's get into ultra endurance 
ring and that became my main 

1185
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:34,410
thing then. 
Then I would like to optimize 

1186
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:37,650
for that and be competitive with
the other elites in that space 

1187
00:52:38,050 --> 00:52:40,210
doing what I do nutritionally 
so. 

1188
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:42,020
So yeah, man, but I don't know. 
We'll see. 

1189
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,300
Like I can see. 
Honestly, I can see myself 

1190
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:48,060
getting more into like these 
obstacle course races that I can

1191
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:51,540
ultra endurance events. 
But I have a lot of respect for 

1192
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:53,860
every sport and everything that 
it does. 

1193
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:56,060
It's just a matter of what 
people want to, you know, 

1194
00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:58,220
pursue. 
I think obstacle courses are a 

1195
00:52:58,220 --> 00:53:02,740
different animal because like, I
think honestly, honestly, like 

1196
00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:04,380
just right off the top of my 
head. 

1197
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:08,420
Thinking about it, I think that 
your approach right now would do

1198
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:10,060
great for obstacle courses 
because. 

1199
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:12,170
You take breaks, you're not 
constantly running. 

1200
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:14,330
You're using different muscle 
groups, which gives the other 

1201
00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:16,130
ones breaks and times to 
recuperate. 

1202
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:19,450
Generally obstacle course races,
unless you do like the crazy 

1203
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:21,890
Ultra Spartans, they're only 
like 8 miles, so they're not 

1204
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:23,010
like it's not the end of the 
world. 

1205
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:25,650
I have no doubt that if you like
that, yeah, you probably be 

1206
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:29,090
extremely competitive at that 
point because like, it's 

1207
00:53:29,090 --> 00:53:33,050
interesting they did. 
I was listening to a podcast and

1208
00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:35,850
I forget his name. 
Knox. 

1209
00:53:35,850 --> 00:53:39,210
Knox, I think. 
The doctor out of Australia, 

1210
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:41,130
he's really like a pioneer in 
the low carb stuff. 

1211
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:41,690
You. 
Yeah. 

1212
00:53:42,090 --> 00:53:44,610
Yeah, no, yeah. 
They did a study on runners and 

1213
00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:46,250
it was really I was fascinated. 
I was like, yeah. 

1214
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:49,130
And so they did like 1/2 
marathon and like they noticed 

1215
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:51,170
no drop in performance with low 
carb athletes and I was like 

1216
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:52,370
sick. 
Let's go higher. 

1217
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:55,250
No, no, they said that that 
they. 

1218
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:57,410
I guess some people just don't 
understand. 

1219
00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:00,010
Like some of the. 
I don't want to say they don't 

1220
00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:01,490
understand because that's just 
not true. 

1221
00:54:01,490 --> 00:54:03,010
But like what's the word I'm 
looking for. 

1222
00:54:03,370 --> 00:54:06,640
There's a lot of of of. 
Ignorance in terms of just not 

1223
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,920
knowing that stupidity. 
But just like ignorance of like 

1224
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,800
how fuel systems can work 
sometimes, because the idea is, 

1225
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Oh well, if we do a shorter 
distance, that should be 

1226
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,880
inhibited by a low carb diet 
because there's not enough sugar

1227
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,720
there. 
But we know that's not true 

1228
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,560
because a shorter distance means
that they have to actually tap 

1229
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,800
into less glycogen even at a 
harder effort. 

1230
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,200
So it makes sense that a low 
carb athlete, if you start to go

1231
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,000
from 1/2 marathon, if someone 
can run a half marathon and an 

1232
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,800
intense pace on zero carbs, they
can do a 10K and intense space 

1233
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,310
on zero carbs they can do a 5K. 
So that's not really what 

1234
00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:37,390
intrusive. 
That's what the study did. 

1235
00:54:37,390 --> 00:54:39,550
And I was like, Dang it. 
What really interests me is 

1236
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:41,030
like, OK, what happens when you 
go farther? 

1237
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:43,110
Like what happens to their 
performance at that point? 

1238
00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:44,870
Like what happens as they go 
higher? 

1239
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:47,950
And I do agree like like these 
people that are doing 250 mile 

1240
00:54:47,950 --> 00:54:51,310
races, they're not doing 250 
mile weeks in preparation for 

1241
00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:52,790
that race. 
Like you said, they're doing 100

1242
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:54,790
mile weeks. 
And I feel like there's a 

1243
00:54:54,790 --> 00:54:57,590
massive difference there. 
Like when you are, when your 

1244
00:54:57,590 --> 00:55:00,870
body is acclimated from a fuel 
substrate standpoint at 100 

1245
00:55:00,870 --> 00:55:03,390
miles a week, then all sudden 
you throw 250 miles at it, like 

1246
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:04,390
things are going to be 
different. 

1247
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,320
So I don't really know what that
would look like. 

1248
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,400
Maybe in order to optimize for 
sticking to a lower carb 

1249
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,440
approach with a 250 mile ultra 
you know race you need to be 

1250
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,000
doing 250 miles a week with low 
carbs, you know that kind of 

1251
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,960
build up to that I don't know. 
But I would imagine that start 

1252
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,880
screwing your joints. 
And everything. 

1253
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,120
Yeah, I would recommend that. 
Yeah, like, I don't know. 

1254
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,000
I'm totally, you know, just 
shooting from the hip right now.

1255
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,560
Like, I don't know what that 
would look like. 

1256
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,040
And again, like there's things 
that I personally prefer more so

1257
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,160
than running. 
Like, I want to get the jiu 

1258
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,240
jitsu at some point. 
Like, I'm kind of dabble with it

1259
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,600
now, but I want to make that 
something I excel at and you 

1260
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,120
know, you can only you don't 
have so much time. 

1261
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,040
So I can't be like the world's 
greatest natural bodybuilder. 

1262
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,840
Jiu Jitsu, Martial artist and 
runner, all at the same time. 

1263
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,920
You do anything, man, You're 
savage. 

1264
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Just do it all, It's fine. 
This is true. 

1265
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,600
This is true. 
I'm a savage. 

1266
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,080
But yeah, no, I a lot of respect
for everybody in every chosen 

1267
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,320
sport and field. 
And again like 150 grams of 

1268
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,760
carbs with the amount of miles 
that you're putting in at 150 

1269
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,720
miles or 100 miles a week or 80 
miles a week like that to me is 

1270
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,560
still very much so fat dependent
approach. 

1271
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,920
So like I'm not knocking that at
all. 

1272
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,750
I'm just curious. 
As to if you can perform 

1273
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:16,990
optimally maintaining like 20 
grams total carbs, you know, 

1274
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:19,950
throughout the entire week, 
yeah, but I guess I'll just have

1275
00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:21,270
to experiment and do it at some 
point. 

1276
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:22,030
You. 
Will you Will. 

1277
00:56:22,030 --> 00:56:23,710
You're just like just you don't 
even tell me about it. 

1278
00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:25,990
Just like, do it and then, like,
send me a photo of first place 

1279
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:27,990
afterwards and go. 
Zero carbs, biatch. 

1280
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:30,630
And that would be my style for 
sure. 

1281
00:56:31,230 --> 00:56:32,640
I love it. 
I love it. 

1282
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,720
Well, Jay, Shane, when is your 
first running coming up this 

1283
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,840
season? 
So my first run is September 

1284
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,400
9th. 
It's 100K so it's my first 62. 

1285
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,440
It's a 62 mile race. 
I haven't ran that far yet. 62 

1286
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,920
miles and that's the one the 
week after, two weeks after the 

1287
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,400
50 mile March, correct? 
Correct. 

1288
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,960
And you've got another one this 
year though, right? 

1289
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,200
Yeah. 
So and then I November, November

1290
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,580
4th, I have my first 100 miler. 
OK. 

1291
00:56:58,780 --> 00:57:01,460
And so that's going to be fun. 
They're both in West Virginia 

1292
00:57:01,460 --> 00:57:04,340
and like the same mountain 
ranges, so that'll be exciting. 

1293
00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:08,140
And then next year you're 
planning on the coca donut 250? 

1294
00:57:08,140 --> 00:57:10,020
Yes, I got two races at the end 
of begin. 

1295
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:11,900
End of next year we should wait 
the end of the running season. 

1296
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:14,620
I have The Woodlands Marathon. 
I want to run a sub three hour I

1297
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:17,620
want to qualify for. 26 miles 
there, Yeah, 26 point. 

1298
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:19,620
What are the 22? 
OK, I don't forget the point I. 

1299
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:20,820
Can't. 
I can't knock those people. 

1300
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:23,060
It's the worst part, man. 
The .2 is the worst part. 

1301
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:26,700
And then yeah. 
And when is that what month is? 

1302
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,820
That, that'll be March, Yeah. 
And then in May is the Coca 

1303
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:34,580
Donut 250. 
And that one, it's going to be 

1304
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:35,900
intense. 
And that's why I do, That's why 

1305
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:38,940
I have to do the 100, because if
I can't do the 100, I'm not 

1306
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:41,980
going to shoot for the 250 yet. 
So, like, I need to like conquer

1307
00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:45,860
the 100. 1st so you're going to 
go from a 62 mile race to 100 

1308
00:57:45,860 --> 00:57:50,700
mile race, to a marathon 26.2 to
a 250 mile race. 

1309
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:54,850
That sounds pretty ballsy, man. 
Yeah, it's, you know, I I was, I

1310
00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:59,330
was a friend of ours, won the 
Cocodona 250 this year. 

1311
00:57:59,330 --> 00:58:00,410
Mike. 
Yeah. 

1312
00:58:00,850 --> 00:58:04,810
And he he was like behind by 
like 7070 miles 70. 

1313
00:58:04,810 --> 00:58:08,210
He's like 78th place, like the 
first like 70 miles in. 

1314
00:58:08,410 --> 00:58:11,890
And then he ended up taking them
all in the last 180 miles and 

1315
00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:13,610
winning and setting a new course
record. 

1316
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:16,010
And I remember reading this is 
what kind of got me to do it, 

1317
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:17,970
cuz I was like trying to think 
of my goals for this year. 

1318
00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:20,210
And I read that post and I was 
like. 

1319
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:23,890
I know he just did it, right? 
He just did it. 

1320
00:58:23,890 --> 00:58:26,410
Yeah, he just did that. 
And you know, I was like, I know

1321
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:29,730
I'm coming at this from a place 
of so much ignorance, like some 

1322
00:58:29,730 --> 00:58:31,490
ultra runner and listening to 
this cuz they read the title 

1323
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:33,930
like oh that's right, Aikido. 
They're going to be like, dude, 

1324
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:36,170
250, you've never even ran 100. 
What are you thinking? 

1325
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:38,050
I understand that. 
I understand that this is a 

1326
00:58:38,050 --> 00:58:39,810
really ballsy move. 
I understand that. 

1327
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,220
The odds are against me, but I 
like that. 

1328
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:45,460
I like that. 
There's, I like that. 

1329
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:47,980
There's even a part of me that 
doubts it because I get to tell 

1330
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:50,260
that part that it doesn't get to
define who I am and what I 

1331
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:53,660
accomplished. 
And I like to show people that, 

1332
00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:56,460
like, I'm just like an every, 
every average guy, you know, 

1333
00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:58,620
walking around, have a daughter,
have a family. 

1334
00:58:58,620 --> 00:59:00,700
But like, I can do extraordinary
things. 

1335
00:59:00,740 --> 00:59:03,420
You can do extraordinary things.
People can do extraordinary 

1336
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:06,460
things, even as average humans, 
if they're willing to believe 

1337
00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:08,740
that they're capable and they're
willing to take risks and so. 

1338
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,760
These are my risks this year and
I'm excited to take them. 

1339
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,040
I'm scared. 
I'm scared tooth. 

1340
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,360
The idea of running 250 miles is
to say it's not scary is. 

1341
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,120
That's in Arizona. 
It's in Arizona and Flagstaff 

1342
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,400
and it's hot and. 
Like that's beautiful though So.

1343
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,440
Yeah, that'll be good. 
What may? 

1344
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,200
It'll be like 90 degrees. 
Yeah, it'll be torchy, but you 

1345
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,120
know. 
How many days are you gonna, 

1346
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,120
like plan on running for that? 
Like how many? 

1347
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:35,790
I think people are doing 1050 
miles is typically like a four 

1348
00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:37,590
day run, five day run. 
Yeah. 

1349
00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:40,150
So again, I'm ballsy. 
I want to try and take the 

1350
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:43,270
course record because I told 
Mike I was going to because 

1351
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:44,710
that's just what I'm set on 
doing. 

1352
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:49,430
So that would be 68 hours, which
is roughly 2 1/2 days. 

1353
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:52,430
Yeah. 
Yeah, I plan on honestly. 

1354
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:54,750
Like I told, I was talking to my
wife and my mother about it, cuz

1355
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,150
they both help with my crew and 
stuff. 

1356
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:58,990
And I told them let's plan for 
like 4 days. 

1357
00:59:58,990 --> 01:00:02,530
Let's plan like. 
Let's let's let's give me 96 

1358
01:00:02,530 --> 01:00:05,730
hours ish. 98 hours. 
Yeah, 96 hours. 

1359
01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:08,770
Let's do that. 
I'll finish by then for sure. 

1360
01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:12,410
But like I don't plan on being 
there for more than three days. 

1361
01:00:12,610 --> 01:00:15,410
Yeah, I have it my way. 
So we'll see how it goes, man, I

1362
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:17,170
have a lot to learn. 
I have a lot of mistakes to make

1363
01:00:17,170 --> 01:00:19,330
beforehand, but I got plenty of 
time to do those, so. 

1364
01:00:20,170 --> 01:00:22,050
Are you gonna try and sleep or 
you just gonna run the whole way

1365
01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:23,410
through? 
No, I'm gonna you. 

1366
01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:25,610
You have to. 
Because if you don't sleep like 

1367
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:27,930
your body will quit on you. 
Functionally, like so. 

1368
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,920
One thing I there's a couple 
things about training that are 

1369
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,880
going to change for me, right. 
So like up until now especially 

1370
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,600
with 50 miles like the, the 
thing that's different between 

1371
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,520
50 and 250 is obviously 200 
miles but also like a 50 mile 

1372
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,280
or. 
It's kind of 1 stint. 

1373
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,560
Yeah, it's kind of like training
like for a marathon, it's just 

1374
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,000
learning how to you, just your 
long runs are a lot longer, so 

1375
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,160
you can train your aerobic 
system to deal with that level 

1376
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,120
of time or that amount of time, 
whereas with this like. 

1377
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Nutrition is a big problem, 
right? 

1378
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,120
Because it's not just about 
getting in like, you know, the 

1379
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,640
100 carbs or whatever. 
It's like you got to eat 

1380
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,240
calories like keto bricks, 
things like I got to eat 

1381
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,000
calories in general because, 
like, I'm not just burning, you 

1382
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,360
know, during a 50 mile, I'll 
burn 6000 calories. 

1383
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,800
On average, 250. 
You're burning like, I mean, 

1384
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,800
people lose like 20 pounds on 
these races, right? 

1385
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,160
And that's with eating and 
hydrating. 

1386
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,400
So like, I got to eat. 
I got to make sure. 

1387
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,800
So I got to know how to, like, 
eat big meals and then continue 

1388
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:19,680
to run. 
I got to. 

1389
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:22,190
Learn how to stay up. 
And I got to stay up till 

1390
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:24,950
midnight some nights and then 
sleep for 30 minutes and then 

1391
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:26,990
wake up and run. 
I got to run, sleep for 30 

1392
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:29,030
minutes, wake up and run. 
Like I have to do all these 

1393
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:32,430
kinds of things to like train 
myself mentally and train my 

1394
01:01:32,430 --> 01:01:35,430
body to be able to do these 
things for an extended period of

1395
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:37,590
time. 
Because it's not like, you know 

1396
01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:40,870
you're going to sleep for 30 
minutes after running 80 miles. 

1397
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:43,830
Get up and run another 40 and 
it's like you have to go that. 

1398
01:01:43,830 --> 01:01:46,710
Train screws me up, man. 
Like like resting and then 

1399
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:48,820
getting stiff. 
Like I would almost want to just

1400
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:52,660
run the way through like lower 
slower pace but no stops, just 

1401
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:54,740
like straight up running. 
Like I can wrap my head around 

1402
01:01:54,740 --> 01:01:57,980
that more than I can sleeping 
for 30 minutes then getting up 

1403
01:01:57,980 --> 01:02:00,540
and doing it again. 
Yeah, no, I think I thought 

1404
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:02,060
about that. 
It's crossed my mind a couple 

1405
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:04,060
times. 
Like cuz that's my 50 milers. 

1406
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:07,300
I'll like lay down like I can't 
move and like an hour and I'm 

1407
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:10,820
like how do these people just 
get back up and keep running? 

1408
01:02:10,820 --> 01:02:12,940
Like I haven't. 
My body hasn't adapted to that 

1409
01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:15,140
yet cuz but to be fair, I've 
never tried to make it. 

1410
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:18,580
Like, I've never, like, ran 50 
miles, let my body seize up and 

1411
01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:21,460
then force it to run another 10.
I haven't done that. 

1412
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:23,420
And we know the body is 
extremely adaptative, right? 

1413
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:26,260
So, like, there's probably a 
high chance that if I do that a 

1414
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:29,340
couple times, my body will catch
on and it will be able to, with 

1415
01:02:29,340 --> 01:02:33,220
proper rest before the race, be 
able to do that at a decently 

1416
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:36,340
high level. 
Yeah, so it's exciting, man. 

1417
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:40,360
Coca donut 250. 
I'm not to just join join it. 

1418
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,440
Just come do fasted. 
Just like no, no prep work. 

1419
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,880
Alright, I did Bible in show 
last year. 

1420
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,680
Let's do this. 250 now Shredded.
3% body, dude. 

1421
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,800
You could die on the trail, man.
Yeah, would not be good. 

1422
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,280
Would not be good. 
All right, man. 

1423
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,760
Well, that's a wrap. 
Anything else that we need to 

1424
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,400
throw in here at the end? 
No, man. 

1425
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,960
I and you know, believe in 
yourself. 

1426
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,240
You can perform. 
Love it. 

1427
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,960
Awesome, man. 
Where do people go to find out 

1428
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,720
more about you and your 
supplement? 

1429
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:04,360
Company. 
Absolutely. 

1430
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:10,200
So as far as me coaching all the
social media stuff, the Kita Rd.

1431
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,040
anywhere@gmail.com, thekiro.com,
Instagram, tick tock Facebook, 

1432
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,510
all the Kido Rd. 
And then, as far as supplements 

1433
01:03:16,510 --> 01:03:18,590
performance gains.org. 
You spell that for. 

1434
01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:21,030
People, no, no, I don't have to.
I don't have to just spell it 

1435
01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:23,470
right and do.org and it'll it'll
forward, It'll redirect. 

1436
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:26,710
It'll forward, it'll redirect. 
Yeah, I did that so that I 

1437
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:28,190
didn't have to do this on 
podcast. 

1438
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:30,590
Very smart. 
Very smart. 

1439
01:03:31,030 --> 01:03:32,310
Well, Jason, appreciate you, 
man. 

1440
01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:33,470
I've enjoyed you coming out 
here. 

1441
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:35,270
Just getting the running, 
getting the lifts in. 

1442
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:37,390
Always a pleasure connecting 
with you, brother. 

1443
01:03:37,390 --> 01:03:39,710
So keep killing it. 
Keep doing what you're doing and

1444
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:41,790
we will talk soon, brother. 
Yes, Sir. 

1445
01:03:42,110 --> 01:03:42,750
Adios. 
Yeah. 

1446
01:03:42,910 --> 01:03:42,990
Bye.