1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,240 Today I've got special guest Atavia who is a registered 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,120 nutritional therapist and runs the Gut Reaction podcast and we 4 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,640 dive deep into gut health and well-being. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,960 On today's episode, we talk about IBS, we talk about 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,360 different nutritional protocols, how she overcame her digestive 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,360 issues and has since gone on to learn how to help others do the 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,720 exact same. We talked quite a bit about 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,000 different dietary protocols. We're kind of coming from 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,240 opposite ends here. I'm more of keto carnivore and 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,640 she is more plant based and we kind of just discussed some of 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,200 the nuances there thoroughly. Enjoy the conversation. 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,440 I've got no doubt that you will take something from it, so that 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,480 for the delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the conversation with 15 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:52,520 Atavia. And we are live Atavia, how are 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,080 you? I'm great. 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Thanks. How are you? 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,000 I'm doing wonderfully well. Can I complain? 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,880 How's your new year start now? My New Year's, not bad. 20 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,520 I've had a little bit of COVID, which I feel is quite retro at 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,519 this point, but I've recovered from that now and I'm doing, I'm 22 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:08,120 doing well. Yeah, 2025 is the year I feel. 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,120 Good, good. Yeah, I'm optimistic about the 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,760 year as well. I didn't even know people were 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,960 still getting the strains of COVID. 26 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,800 Is it like a new strain now I guess? 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,760 I don't know, I think people are just saying it's COVID because 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,520 it's quite tragic and intense, but I think it's just, it just 29 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,200 morphs, doesn't it into into new bugs and stuff. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,120 So yeah, it's a new version. It's a new 2025 version. 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,360 I'm bringing it back. Sorry, I'm bringing it back. 32 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,840 Well, hopefully you make a full recovery from that sooner rather 33 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,880 than later. Thank you. 34 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,960 Thank you. So I want to dive deep into all 35 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:37,960 things gut health. That's kind of where your 36 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,840 expertise is. What, what got you interested in 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,160 that in the first place? Having my own issues, which I 38 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,560 think happens to most people, right? 39 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,120 In my 20s, I was very, very ill with depression, anxiety, had 40 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,360 really bad IBS, just low energy. And I think it was just kind of 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,800 like the straw that broke the camel's back was just having 42 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,800 awful bloating and lots of problems with my health 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,200 basically. And my dad works in this field 44 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,560 as well. And he kept kind of saying to 45 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,440 me, you need to work on your gut health and your physical health. 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Nothing is going to get better until you work on that. 47 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,600 And it just got to a point where I was back and forth to doctors 48 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,200 all the time and being told that, you know, you just have to 49 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,120 live with it. And because I'm quite stubborn, 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,600 I was like, no, this isn't, I don't have to live with this. 51 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,160 There's no way this could be normal. 52 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,080 So I just decided to, you know, take over myself and and study 53 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,400 nutritional therapy and find out what was going on with my gut. 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,640 Basically what. What do you think the catalyst 55 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,400 was for you and the good issues to begin with? 56 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,920 I think some of it is genetic. My dad definitely had these 57 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,160 issues as well. And I think you, you can, 58 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,480 there's no like gene to have any kind of like IBS. 59 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,640 But you, I think you do inherit, you know, weak genetic 60 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:52,640 weaknesses, so to speak. I was always quite stressed even 61 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,960 as a baby. I was quite like, my disposition 62 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,000 was quite high stress and I was apparently quite fussy with food 63 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,040 and would get lots of tummy bugs and stuff. 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 So I think it's probably a combination of part of it was 65 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,880 inherited, part of it was the modern world that we live in, 66 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,400 like how all of our food is sprayed of pesticides. 67 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Nothing's really fully natural, kind of kills off your gut 68 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,280 microbiome. But I always say to people, 69 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,880 everyone has a genetic weak spot. 70 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Like there's one thing that will go before the rest of of it. 71 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,640 For some people, that's muscle injuries, for some people that's 72 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,760 gut health. And I think for me, that was 73 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,280 just my genetic weak spot. When you were in the thick of it 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,280 with the the most pronounced IBS symptoms, was it like specific 75 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,400 foods that you noticed you just simply couldn't tolerate it all 76 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,440 and others that didn't seem to be as bad for you? 77 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,040 Yeah, I think the, the time when it was like, right, I need to do 78 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,840 something about this now was when I was trying to gain 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,040 weight. I've always been quite small and 80 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,120 I was drinking 3000 calorie protein shakes three times a day 81 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,120 trying to put on weight, which didn't work by the way. 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,120 And I was using cow's milk, and I basically triggered a lactose 83 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,520 intolerance, and it was just horrendous. 84 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 It was like my whole insides were on fire. 85 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,720 I felt drunk, like really dizzy. And at that point I realized I 86 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,720 can't eat dairy anymore. So I knew I had to kind of cut 87 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,440 that out. And the thought of doing that 88 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,600 felt really overwhelming, and I just didn't really know where to 89 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,680 start. So yeah, that was definitely a 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,040 food that I needed to cut out. And to be honest, it will happen 91 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,640 for a lot of people because a lot of people don't realise as 92 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,320 you get older, we stop producing lactase. 93 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,520 So we essentially are born with the ability to produce lactase, 94 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,400 which is the enzyme that breaks down lactose. 95 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,840 But then at some point, our body will stop doing that. 96 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,880 So then we go our whole lives being able to eat, you know, 97 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,600 pallumi cheese or something like that. 98 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,560 And then all of a sudden, we're getting these symptoms. 99 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,400 And we think, where's this come from? 100 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,240 Like nothing's changed in my diet or my life, but actually 101 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,800 it's your body not being able to digest it anymore. 102 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,600 So yeah, that that's definitely something that was an issue for 103 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,080 me. Yeah, it is interesting that 104 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,960 we're like the only species that continues to drink dairy after 105 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,560 we've been weaned off the mother. 106 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,000 Yeah, don't even get me started. I'm now like the whole opposite 107 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,760 where I'm like, why? I don't understand when anyone 108 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,320 drinks cow's milk. And I also think who was the 109 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,600 first person to find out we could drink cow's milk because 110 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,200 that's feels a bit dodgy. But yeah, when you look at kind 111 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,280 of like in in nature, it is. It's strange that we do that. 112 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,680 So you said that you were drinking 3000 calorie protein 113 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,000 shakes three times a day, so 9000 calories a day just in 114 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,720 protein shakes. Yeah, it didn't last long. 115 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,080 I think I managed to do it for like a week and then I just, 116 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,880 yeah, triggered horrendous gut issues. 117 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,000 But yeah, that's right. And you didn't gain any weight 118 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,840 in the process. No, the only time I've ever 119 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,840 gained weight is through healing my gut, being able to go to the 120 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,240 gym, and weight lifting. Weight training essentially is 121 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,160 the only way I've ever gained weight, even if I've been at a 122 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,000 huge calorie surplus diet. If I didn't exercise, I wouldn't 123 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,360 gain muscle, I wouldn't gain any fat. 124 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,560 I would just stay the same. Well, it's interesting because a 125 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,720 lot of people in the space, they just fixate on caloric 126 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,000 consumption. And yes, that definitely has a 127 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,480 place, but it, it's, it goes beyond just the consumption. 128 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Like you have to actually absorb that nutrition. 129 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200 And if you were, you know, dealing with some form of 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,760 digestive issue obvious and you're not fully absorbing those 131 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,080 9000 calories, then just simply taking into account the 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,560 consumption isn't a true reflection of, you know, 133 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,680 anything really. Oh, 100% You may as well just 134 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,000 like tip it down the toilet, right? 135 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,280 There's kind of no point of even having it in the first place 136 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:27,120 because you're not like you say you're not absorbing it, your 137 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,280 your body's not able to utilize it and not able to, you know, 138 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:32,280 make any muscle or fat out of it anyway. 139 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,240 So you're essentially just it's just pointless. 140 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,120 And I also think that if you have experienced gut health 141 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,320 issues, you know, especially things like bloating, it can 142 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,320 make you feel quite full. And it, you know, it was, it was 143 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,520 a slog actually drinking those protein shakes. 144 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,520 I had to physically force myself to do it. 145 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,280 Like I obviously that's quite extreme. 146 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,760 I wouldn't recommend anyone trying that. 147 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,840 But even just regular meals was quite hard to eat because my IBS 148 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:00,480 just meant that I felt really bloated all the time. 149 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,360 I felt really full. So it was hard to, you know, get 150 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,520 a lot of nutrients anyway because I just didn't have an 151 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,560 appetite. So not only does it mean you 152 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,440 can't absorb it, it means you don't really often have the 153 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,480 motivation to eat it in the first place. 154 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,240 How did you do with like fibre and vegetation when you were 155 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,800 going through the IBS? Was that causing you any issue? 156 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,720 I'm quite lucky. It's not really been something 157 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,400 that's been an issue for me to be honest. 158 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,120 The main things for me were the the lactose and unfortunately 159 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,760 then gluten. So anything with like wheat in 160 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,880 it, like bread and onions and garlic, but apart from that, 161 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,440 like vegetables. Amazing. 162 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,160 I don't know if it's because I've got Greek genes. 163 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,560 Like we, we love a Greek salad, we love vegetables, we love 164 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,400 salads and stuff. So yeah, I fortunately didn't 165 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,440 have any problem with that. It was just the the garlic and 166 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,040 the onions. As far as the gluten goes, 167 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,320 correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we all sensitive to 168 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,560 gluten to some extent? Some more so than others, but as 169 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,440 a species we just simply do not have the enzymes to fully 170 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,920 breakdown and assimilate gluten at all. 171 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,720 Yeah, I mean, there's so many conflicting schools of thought 172 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,800 here. And like there are so many 173 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,360 things that you can look up that says, yes, exactly what you just 174 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,560 said. And then some people say no, 175 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,160 like it's natural. I think the thing with gluten 176 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,480 and and wheat in particular is it's so far removed from what it 177 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,160 used to be. Like when you buy bread 178 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,800 nowadays, you're not buying bread from, you know, like it's 179 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,200 not wholesome anymore than like it used to be when we lived in 180 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,600 small villages or farms and, you know, the, the wheat and the 181 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,320 flour was milled. And nowadays it's stripped away 182 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,400 from, you know, it's stripped away of all the goodness. 183 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,360 It's sometimes put through a chemical process. 184 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,159 It's a bit GMO, you know, genetically modified. 185 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,240 So what we're eating isn't even recognisable to our bodies. 186 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,080 And there is some evidence that shows that more people in the 187 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,320 world are actually sensitive to gluten than have celiacs. 188 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,120 So celiac is like an autoimmune disease where you, you, you 189 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,960 can't have gluten. But additional to those people, 190 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,000 there are so many people who can't handle gluten just just 191 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,000 because, like you say, we're just not able to to digest it 192 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,320 essentially. So yeah, there are lots of 193 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,800 different schools of thought. I'm definitely not an expert on 194 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,760 that, but I know some people kind of talk about how it can 195 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,360 produce sort of like a poisonous reaction when you eat it, and 196 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,040 it's just not something we should be consuming. 197 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,840 Yeah. And if you get people like that, 198 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,720 they'll often times go to like a a different country where it is 199 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,560 kind of more of a native strain of wheat. 200 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,840 And they don't seem to have near the issue as they do here in the 201 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,880 States because what we have here in the States is just so far 202 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,160 moved from what what used to be. Where Where are you located? 203 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,960 I live in the UK, so I live in England. 204 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:40,880 But yeah, 100%. I think it's pretty similar over 205 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,600 here. I think we had more food 206 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,360 regulations over here than than you guys did. 207 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,880 But now we've left the EUI don't think that is the case anymore. 208 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,640 But yeah, I mean, you go to the shop and you, you look at a loaf 209 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,640 of bread and it's just not like you say, it's not, it's not come 210 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,320 from the ground in the place where you're living. 211 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,840 It is so processed and it's, it's mass produced, right? 212 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Because there are so many people who need to eat. 213 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,400 So it's just kind of far, far removed from what food used to 214 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,520 be. I haven't looked at a a label on 215 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,960 a loaf of bread in a while because I've been keto for so 216 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,360 long, but I'm pretty sure if my memory serves me correct, the 217 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,960 the first two ingredients in a typical loaf of bread here in 218 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,400 the states is like enriched wheat flour and high fructose 219 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,880 corn syrup. Oh wow, really? 220 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,800 So pretty, pretty terrible. Yeah. 221 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,720 And also like the nutrient value of that, where is it? 222 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,480 Like you say, it's not something that, you know, back in caveman 223 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,920 times, we would be eating loaves of bread. 224 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,240 It's just we're, we're so far removed from what we used to, 225 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,160 what we used to eat and how we used to eat. 226 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,560 So, so now you've taken the route of, you know, functional 227 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,920 medicine and nutrition. Before you went that direction, 228 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,640 were you going to, you know, standard Western medicine 229 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,800 doctors and were they recommending anything? 230 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,720 Yeah, I would go back and forth to the doctor and just be told 231 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,280 the classic things like I'm sure if anyone listening has ever had 232 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,280 experience with gut health problems or to be honest, any 233 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,200 health problems, you kind of feel a lot like being palmed off 234 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,080 a lot of the time, especially when it's not disease state. 235 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,760 But they did the classic, you know, we'll do a stored sample, 236 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,480 we'll do some blood tests and they'll look for anything in 237 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,280 disease state and they'll say, oh, everything came back normal 238 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,760 or try some peppermint capsules. But obviously that helped a 239 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,600 little bit, but didn't really work because it's not getting to 240 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,560 the root cause. And what I didn't realise at 241 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:20,080 that time is health professionals and medical 242 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,520 doctors, they're looking for, do you have a disease, yes or no? 243 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,520 And no, I didn't have a disease. Like IBS is not a disease. 244 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,960 So as far as they're concerned, there's quote UN quote nothing 245 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,920 wrong with you. So then you get sent on your 246 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,640 merry way and you think, why am I feeling so rubbish? 247 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,200 Then I think, why do I feel like this? 248 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,000 Well, it's not that you I wasn't well and like in that state, 249 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,640 you're not well. It's just that you don't have a 250 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,000 disease. But that's the place where you 251 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,800 need to start working with someone who's, you know, 252 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,560 holistically trained, who's in integrative medicine and like 253 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:53,120 functional medicine because that's where they look at 254 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,840 subclinical symptoms, which is where you have symptoms and 255 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,480 there's a problem, but it's not yet reached that threshold of a 256 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,240 disease. So that was my experience, just 257 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,480 back and forth, being told there's nothing wrong with me 258 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,360 and, you know, you just have to learn to live with it. 259 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,920 But fortunately, I'm stubborn, so I refuse to. 260 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,520 I refuse to do that. Yeah. 261 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:12,320 I'm stubborn as well, so I can relate there. 262 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,720 What was your introduction to functional medicine like? 263 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,160 How did you get started on that path? 264 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,160 I basically just decided to enroll in a college. 265 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,920 I looked at the colleges around me in the UK, we have two, we've 266 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,520 got only two different ones you can study at. 267 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,040 And I went to an open day and just spoke to them about the 268 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,440 options, what they cover. They basically cover the same as 269 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,800 medical doctors get trained in the first year you look at 270 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,960 biochemistry. And I remember them saying to 271 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,120 me, the only difference is the next couple of years we don't 272 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,920 look at symptom and pills. We look at holistic, like what's 273 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,520 going on in the body, different parts of the body, how they 274 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,080 interact with each other and how you actually can bring the body 275 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,920 back into harmony in full health rather than just symptom 276 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,040 management. So that's how I started. 277 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,480 You know, I decided to go ahead and study and spent three years 278 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,440 working full time and studying because I wanted to learn 279 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,760 basically and be able to help people and show people that you 280 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,200 don't just have to live with it or, you know, resign yourself to 281 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,680 a life of a chronic health condition. 282 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,880 Totally. Totally. 283 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,600 And as you were learning that, what were you doing in your own 284 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,840 diet and lifestyle to kind of get things moving in the right 285 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,600 direction? Oh, I had so many fuck ups. 286 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Honestly, there's so many things I look back at now and I'm like, 287 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,400 what was I thinking? I did the classic thing of, 288 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,840 well, my diet was awful in my early 20s. 289 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,280 I worked in pubs and bars and I just ate takeaways, drank too 290 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:31,840 much, ate so much sugar. And then I thought, right, I'm 291 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,080 going to have a health kick, cut out all sugar, like just hardly 292 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,320 ate even any carbs and obviously went into complete withdrawals 293 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,680 from sugar, any caffeine, anything like that and just felt 294 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:46,600 awful all the time. Then I decided I realized I had 295 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,440 sort of like a yeast, I think had a yeast candida overgrowth 296 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,360 because I had a lot of fatigue, things like that, the classic 297 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,880 symptoms of of candida. So decided to take some pills to 298 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,600 try and kick the candida, not realizing that if you have any 299 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,720 kind of level of candida and yeast overgrowth, then you will 300 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,240 basically cause die off of those of those yeast and it will 301 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,920 ferment and it will cause really bad symptoms like migraines and 302 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,120 headaches. So I made that mistake and kept 303 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,040 feeling worse. But all the time I was making 304 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,960 improvements, I was learning from my mistakes and then I 305 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,360 realized I need to just call cool down a bit like I need to 306 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,440 just calm, calm it. Stop trying to make these 307 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,560 really, you know, raw foods, really impressive whole food 308 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,440 dinners every single night. Like it's not possible for me. 309 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,720 I just need to look at what the basics are, look at the basic 310 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,720 food groups I need, look at my sleep schedule. 311 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,240 You know, the things that are easy to kind of change in the 312 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,280 first instance and just slowly but surely started every week, 313 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,000 every month, looking at one thing I could change and improve 314 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,080 because that, you know, then would become a habit. 315 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,000 And that helped me to eventually get to a path where I was more 316 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,120 healthy than I was unhealthy. Did you like, were you, are you 317 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,680 following a specific type of dietary protocol now or is it 318 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,920 kind of more of a mixed diet? No, I'd say I'm a mixed diet. 319 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,120 I tend to follow, I have followed more of a vegetarian 320 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,920 slash vegan diet just mainly because of like ethically I 321 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,120 don't like the whole animal eating animals type thing. 322 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,080 But sometimes I eat meat like maybe a couple of times a year I 323 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,560 have chicken or poultry or something. 324 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,560 I'm gluten free because I have to be. 325 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,760 But generally, I try to not be too restricted around food, 326 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,600 especially because I'm putting on muscle and weight and going 327 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,920 to the gym. I don't want it to feel 328 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,840 stressful because when you have something like a gut health 329 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,560 issue, food can feel a lot like a threat. 330 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,560 And it can just kind of really, really damage your relationship 331 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,440 with food. And not to be dramatic, but food 332 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,800 is life. So like, I don't want to ruin 333 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,480 that relationship. So I try to just obviously stay 334 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,080 gluten free. I don't eat lots of animal 335 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,040 products, but I try to just be as relaxed as I can about it. 336 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Totally, totally. So this is a a complete tangent, 337 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,520 so forgive me if I lead this astray here, but with regards to 338 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,520 your views from an ethical standpoint on meat consumption, 339 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,000 can you kind of flesh that out? Yeah. 340 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,600 Oh, I like that. That pun, that play on words 341 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,000 there. I think for me, just for me, I'm 342 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,040 a very, very empathetic person. I find it really hard to 343 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,480 compartmentalise things a little bit and think that's food and 344 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,640 this isn't. And I just think, again, if we 345 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,880 lived back in, you know, World War 2 era where maybe not maybe 346 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,000 before World War 2, but there were local farms where there was 347 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,640 just, you know, there was meat. There were animals that were 348 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,520 being raised and then they were being used for food consumption. 349 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Fine. But I don't agree with the whole 350 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,160 animals are like a commodity and the mass farming issue that we 351 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,160 have and how it's kind of become animals just for food rather 352 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,240 than animals being alive, wakened sentient beings and then 353 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,760 being eaten because that's a food chain. 354 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,840 So that's more kind of just like a personal opinion. 355 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,760 And I think having watched things like Cowspiracy on 356 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Netflix and stuff like that, that's just made me realise the 357 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,079 impact not only of like how we treat animals, which I think is 358 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:08,880 quite like backwards, but also that it can really fuck up your 359 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,200 health. So I remember in my first couple 360 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,880 of lectures at uni, them talking about gout where you get, you 361 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,720 know, like a really inflamed, painful toe. 362 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,800 And they were talking about some of the causes of gout can be 363 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,800 uric acid buildup, which can come from breaking down animal 364 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,000 DNA. And I just remember thinking, 365 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 that's so fucking weird that we breakdown animal DNA and that 366 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 becomes part of our DNA. And it just, that moment just 367 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,480 made me look at it quite differently. 368 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,800 But like I say, I'm not super ultra vegan, would never eat 369 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,240 animals because I think to some extent it is kind of normal to 370 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,640 have that sometimes. But I just don't want to be a 371 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,120 continue like common consumer of animal products, yeah. 372 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:52,720 Now this is super interesting. I mean, I've I eat a lot of 373 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,120 animals. Like I predominantly eat 374 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,520 animals, but you we're. We're like the the balance of 375 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,040 the universe. You're eating lots and I'm 376 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,440 eating none, but it's. Interesting because I like 377 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,400 bringing people on the podcast that eat and view the world to a 378 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,840 different lens because more often than not there's more 379 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,240 common ground than people realize. 380 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,080 Because I can totally respect and relate with your stance on 381 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,160 not wanting to contribute to, you know, the factory feed lot 382 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,560 farming and just using viewing animals as a commodity. 383 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,920 Like I, I try and get all of my meat from wild game that I hunt 384 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,400 ethically and from local ranchers that I know are raising 385 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,400 the animals the correct way. I mean, I think most of the 386 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,320 people in the ketogenic carnivore space who eat a, you 387 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,080 know, a lot of meat, they're all on the same board on the same 388 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,640 page there. And that they don't want there 389 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,240 to be this needless suffering. Because when you look at the 390 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,760 commodity beef system, like it's, it's just a broken system, 391 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,760 like it is not fair to the animal. 392 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,400 They're using a whole lot of, you know, industrial farming and 393 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,160 ranching techniques, They're using chemicals, they're using 394 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,560 pesticides. It's just not good for anything. 395 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,320 But at the same time, you look at a lot of the really devout 396 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,160 vegans that don't risk or don't want to be the cause of death of 397 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,560 anything. But it's kind of like they're 398 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,960 they're looking through life with rose colored glasses. 399 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,720 Because when they do mono crop agriculture, they're killing a 400 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,960 whole bunch of habitat, whole bunch of habitat and just a ton 401 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,200 of life. So being vegan is not excluding 402 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,480 one from, you know, taking a life. 403 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,600 It's just not as directly, you know, seen through the lens of 404 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,160 commodity beef, you know? Yeah, I think it's really good 405 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,120 to have those conversations with someone who's on the opposite, 406 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,800 almost the opposite side, because it does bridge that gap. 407 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,640 And I think there's so much in society where it tries to pit 408 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,880 people against each other. And I'm very, I'm very kind of 409 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,920 wary of using the word vegan just because so many people see 410 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,480 that as an immediate challenge to like do it. 411 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,680 Well, if you're vegan, then, you know, try and kind of talk you 412 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,040 out of it. But you're right. 413 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,760 I mean, I think if the thing with like the mass production 414 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,120 of, of meat essentially is, is companies not really giving a 415 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,360 fuck about the animals, but they don't care about us either. 416 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,560 They're not doing it thinking how can we create the best 417 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:03,960 quality product for our consumer? 418 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,920 Like you say, they use antibiotics they use. 419 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,160 Pesticides, they use loads of, you know, nasty things in 420 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,400 producing that animal meat that isn't going to be nutritious for 421 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,280 us, but actually it can be harmful for us. 422 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,840 So it's kind of like it's not, you know, meat for the sake of 423 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,600 needing to eat it. It's kind of, yeah, just 424 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,960 commoditized. And I think, you know, if we had 425 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,040 people who are like you say, you hunt for your own, you know, 426 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,120 meat or people who ethically raise and then ethically and 427 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,400 that animal's life, I still, I still personally wouldn't agree 428 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,600 with that because it just for me personally couldn't do that. 429 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,040 But that would be different to, you know, mass slaughter houses 430 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,720 and abattoirs. That's just such a different 431 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,760 thing, isn't it? And it's such a kind of entitled 432 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,200 stance rather than, you know, actually going and killing your 433 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,200 own game is is something that's it's more humbling, I think. 434 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,400 And it's like, you know, you're you're doing it in a way that 435 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,280 you feel right about rather than just paying into that kind of, 436 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,480 you know, mass produced product. Totally. 437 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,120 I mean, with hunting, I love hunting because it's like 438 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,960 hunters, most hunters, there are definitely some bad apples out 439 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,200 there, but most hunters have this deep respect and admiration 440 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,920 for the animals they're in pursuit of. 441 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,360 I mean, like, and when you look at it from a a strictly 442 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,160 biological standpoint, like it, it makes sense that you would, 443 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,320 you know, kill that food to eat it like in the wild, but for 444 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,040 survival, so to speak. But if you take an animal's life 445 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,000 in the wild, that's going to be a cleaner, crisper death for 446 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 them than if they were to be torn apart by wolves or 447 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,280 something, or starvation or something of that nature. 448 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,840 So they don't suffer near as much. 449 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,760 And then they're living wildly and, you know, fulfillingly up 450 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,640 to that point. And the quality of the meat, 451 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,200 nutrition of that meat is just so far superior to anything 452 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,600 you'd get in a factory feed lot beef kind of scenario that does 453 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,640 that is fed antibiotics or you know, just done in a very 454 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,560 unethical manner. Yeah, absolutely. 455 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,880 And we've got something over here now. 456 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,480 I don't, I don't know if you guys have the same in the 457 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,320 States, but they're introducing something to cattle because 458 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,240 we've got the whole, you know, cattle causing a lot of issues 459 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,480 with the Ozo layer because basically because of so much 460 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,560 methane, so fart so much and they're introducing something 461 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,680 for the cows to like prevent methane, but it's so toxic that 462 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,040 it's going to cause so many issues with digestion. 463 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,200 And it's just like really, really bad for you. 464 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,240 And I just think that's just such a backwards way of looking 465 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,680 at it. Like, Oh, we have so many cows 466 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,360 that is causing issues of the ozone layer. 467 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:34,240 Oh, let's give them some kind of pill or, you know, whatever it 468 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,840 is to stop them from farting. Like that's not the answer. 469 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,680 You're, you're still, again, you're missing the big picture, 470 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,480 which is, you know, like you say, going and getting your own 471 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,400 food. It's that's how as it should be, 472 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,360 right? In an ideal world, we we would 473 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,200 all do that and have small animal holdings and stuff. 474 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,280 But yeah, it just kind of, I guess it's just over 475 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,920 overpopulation totally. We'll talk to me about the 476 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,000 training. So you said, you mentioned that 477 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,120 you were able to build muscle and, and add weight once you 478 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,760 started incorporating, you know, resistance training into the, 479 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,440 into the wheelhouse. How? 480 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,920 How did that transition go for you? 481 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,280 At first it was difficult. I think I didn't really know 482 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,680 what I was doing in the 1st place as most people don't when 483 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,400 they go to the gym. But after sticking at it for a 484 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,840 while and definitely looking at my food intake, and this is 485 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,200 where I sometimes eat animal products a bit more now, like a 486 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,240 couple of times a year, usually in the winter, I'll eat poultry. 487 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,520 For some reason it's just like my body intelligence telling me 488 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,840 I need it. That just had a huge impact. 489 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,640 So moving through the world as like a woman who's quite small, 490 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,480 it makes such a difference to how you present yourself and how 491 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,680 you feel in your body. I think. 492 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,480 And I guess that just goes for anyone in general, when you 493 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,160 start to feel the difference of oh, I've added a bit of muscle, 494 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,920 Oh, I feel a bit stronger, I thought really changes the way 495 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,120 that you feel about yourself and your place in the world. 496 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,400 So I got APT and decided to really commit to it and, you 497 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,160 know, really push myself on the weights, do lots of compound 498 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,560 exercises and was pressured in a good way recently by a friend to 499 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,280 up my calories and up my food intake and really look at my 500 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,520 protein. Take it seriously. 501 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,120 And yeah, I just saw incredible changes in my body and how how 502 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,880 easily I was able to add weight to myself. 503 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,680 Whereas before, if I tried to have, you know, thousands of 504 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,480 calories, it just wouldn't make any difference. 505 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,200 It's almost like it's what my body was missing was weight 506 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,960 training. And I just find it such a 507 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,360 calming thing to do. It just really helps your your 508 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,720 mind and your mental health as well, Yeah. 509 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,920 Totally. I mean training for me is like 510 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,320 therapy. I'd probably go crazy if I 511 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,840 didn't have a gym to train in. But like when you have more 512 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,160 muscle in your frame, you've got, you know, better 513 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,280 functioning metabolic rate because muscle is very 514 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,880 metabolically demanding. So you can afford to eat more 515 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,280 calories without I'll effect. And I mean muscles, like having 516 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,000 muscle is like the best, you know, best predicator for aging 517 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,640 well. And I've seen so many people who 518 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,160 don't move their body are not physically active. 519 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,480 And that compounded over a lifetime, like they just cannot 520 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,120 function in their later years. Like they can't get upstairs, 521 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,000 they can't, they can't move. And I feel like an easy way to 522 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,920 hedge against that is just to simply have more muscle. 100%, 523 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,480 and especially for women, right with if you look at bone density 524 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,000 as well, I think is it from the age of so 40 or something? 525 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,400 You basically start losing or maybe it's younger than that, 526 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,360 you start losing bone density. And one of the only ways to, I 527 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,160 think the only way to make sure you safeguard against that is 528 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,560 weights basically and resistant training. 529 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,360 So you are literally safeguarding yourself like you 530 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,800 say in later life, not being able to move, being so 531 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080 overweight or out of shape where you can't get up from a chair. 532 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,760 Like I just never want that to be my life. 533 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,880 And it just changes. It does change so much 534 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,800 physically, but also like you say, mentally, the feeling of 535 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,080 calm I have after working out, it just balances you. 536 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,400 It almost makes me feel like I can think more clearly and I 537 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,880 don't have so much internal chatter. 538 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,160 Like it just does have a huge impact on your whole experience 539 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,520 of life, I guess, yeah. Totally, from a psychological 540 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,520 standpoint, you get all the, you know, positive endorphins that 541 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,640 have a, you know, a benefit obviously. 542 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,800 But then like for women, especially as they go in through 543 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,200 menopause, they're having all their hormone down regulation 544 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,320 take place. And yeah, that's going to cause 545 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,200 drastic decrease in bone density and strength and and, you know, 546 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,320 lean tissue if they don't counteract that with, you know, 547 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,920 well implemented resistance training. 548 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,880 So yeah, I think that's one of the single best things people 549 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,200 could do to just set themselves up for long term success. 550 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,640 No, 100%. I always say to my family 551 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,800 members who are into cardio, cardio, cardio and I'm like, 552 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,840 yeah, cardio, great. But then they're like, why are I 553 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,560 losing weight? Well, because you need to like, 554 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,400 it's not just going to come off just from doing cardio. 555 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,280 You're not targeting any part of your body. 556 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,960 And the difference you feel when you do weight training and how 557 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280 much your body responds to it is just incredible. 558 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,600 I just, yeah, there's nothing like it in my opinion. 559 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,480 Totally. Agree. 560 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,320 So now that you are a functional medicine practitioner and you're 561 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480 working with clients, what are some of the big mistakes that 562 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,680 you see people making day in and day out? 563 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,960 Like what are the common denominators? 564 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000 That would be an easy fix for people to correct course with 565 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,440 and see a pretty profound improvement. 566 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,000 The biggest thing honestly is stress. 567 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,000 It's so it has such a huge impact definitely on your gut 568 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,840 health, but generally on any area of your of your well-being. 569 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,920 And I think because of our daily lives, how we live now, we have 570 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,440 some level of baseline stress all the time that we think is 571 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800 just normal. Like no one really ever feels 572 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,600 fully, truly relaxed anymore unless you make a specific point 573 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,040 of going for a massage or taking CBD or whatever it is that works 574 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,960 for you. And something I see with people 575 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,480 all the time is just a high level of stress or just a small, 576 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,200 a small elevated level of stress that's there chronically all the 577 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840 time. And that just drives 578 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,880 inflammation, it drives gut dysbiosis. 579 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,760 It can cause, you know, so many problems of hormonal imbalance. 580 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,760 And that one thing can make such a huge difference in any of the 581 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,640 health issues that you're experiencing simply by doing 582 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,120 things like deep breathing, where you're just regulating and 583 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,280 controlling your breath. So you're breathing more slowly 584 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,200 and more deeply, which tells your brain that you're not in a 585 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,720 sense of danger. You're in a state of, of you can 586 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,760 be calm and relaxed and it basically changes everything 587 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,040 about your body, about, you know, the neurotransmitters that 588 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,920 your brain releases and can help you to just reduce symptoms. 589 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,040 I know so many people who have issues with their gut bacteria. 590 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,640 Even half an hour's worth of stress, say you're having a 591 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,280 stressful drive or you're having an argument with someone, within 592 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,160 half an hour, it can kill off certain bacteria in your gut and 593 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,800 cause bloating. That's how much stress has a 594 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,720 massive impact acutely and also chronically. 595 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,680 So that's definitely the first thing I would encourage people 596 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,120 to look at. What do you think the we're 597 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040 getting philosophically, but what do you think the main 598 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,240 driver for stress on a societal basis is these days? 599 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Like what do you think is going on now that wasn't going on 500 600 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,040 years ago that's led to this just significantly increased 601 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,600 baseline for stress levels? Firstly, demand. 602 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,160 There's so much demand on us. We're busier than we've ever 603 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,520 been socially, work wise, paying bills, notifications on your 604 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,560 phone, whatever it is like, there's just constantly a 605 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,280 demand. Whereas before it used to be the 606 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,160 classic the wife would stay at home and the mom would go out to 607 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,160 work and you would have your areas to look after, right? 608 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480 But now everything falls to us all the time and there's always 609 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,640 someone that wants something from us. 610 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,600 But also, I think you've got to, you know, mention social media 611 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,560 and how we're constantly bombarded with, you know, oh, 612 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520 dating advice for this or Weldon news events that, you know, 613 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120 happening halfway around the world and how you need to be so 614 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,840 stressed about this right now. And what about this person is so 615 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,720 much clickbait out there at the moment. 616 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920 And obviously that helps, you know, whoever's trying to get 617 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,240 our attention, to get our attention. 618 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,880 But I think we're just so aware all the time of everything 619 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,720 that's going on and it's delivered to us in such a 620 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,800 intense and stressful way that of course you're going to be 621 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,600 stressed even if you're not aware of it. 622 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,160 Just having the news on in the background and having constant 623 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,800 negativity and, you know, breaking news all the time, it 624 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,960 just immediately triggers that stress response. 625 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800 Even if you get a notification on your phone, that's something 626 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,800 looking for your attention. So you get a tiny little spike 627 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160 of cortisol because it's like, oh, I need to pay my attention 628 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,360 to that. And that's there all the time, 629 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,920 constantly. I just don't think our brains 630 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,000 are developed to handle that. Yeah. 631 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,720 No, I totally agree. I I do not own a TV. 632 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,720 I never have and I do not watch the news and I listen to like a 633 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,880 little short form 15 minute news clip. 634 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,320 It's occasionally like an audio form, but it's weird because 635 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640 I'll, I'll listen to it and I'll hear some, you know, world 636 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,720 events. And more often than not, like 637 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,680 99% of time, it's always negative events. 638 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,480 Like the news doesn't really, you know, popularize positive 639 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,520 things. So they're always talking about 640 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600 negative stuff. And it's like this information 641 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920 about a country that is literally knows how the world 642 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280 that I can't have an impact on is stressing me out right now 643 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,600 and making me less present in my current day. 644 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,720 And it's like that. That makes no sense. 645 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,480 Like, in what era have we ever had to deal with that up until 646 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640 recently? And I feel like you have to have 647 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,320 this. I don't even know. 648 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,000 I mean, like you, you don't want to be ignorant to what's going 649 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,440 on in the world. But at the same time, if you 650 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,200 can't impact it, what good does it do to weigh on you, you know? 651 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,320 Yeah, and it's also, no one teaches you what should your 652 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,000 boundaries be around it. Like, yeah, if you want to, you 653 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,720 want to know because like you say, you don't want to be 654 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 ignorant to it. And there are some things maybe 655 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,880 that you can maybe have a small influence on just by, you know, 656 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280 small actions. But you can't change it. 657 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480 So it's like, what are your boundaries? 658 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,800 So for me, I'm the same as you. I will never have ATV just on 659 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,840 with news in the background. Like, I don't have ATV either, 660 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,560 but I will listen to podcasts or something like that's me 661 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,720 deciding when I'm going to consume that content. 662 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,680 It's not just their infiltrating my living space all the time. 663 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,240 So yeah, it's just a combination of everything, like constant 664 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,800 demand being told as well that, you know, even with adverts, for 665 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,480 example, with like charities where you know, it's about 666 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,080 people dying and you have to give to this and this, it's 667 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,440 almost like we're told we have the answer to everything and we 668 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,040 have to do something about it all the time. 669 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,560 But there's so many things that we're told about that just gets 670 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840 completely overwhelming and we just don't know where what to do 671 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,480 or where to start. Yeah. 672 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,120 Totally agree. So out of out of curiosity, what 673 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600 is your daily routine consist of? 674 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,480 Like knowing what you know about health and nutrition, the gut 675 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880 microbiome, how to optimize for that and how to you know, 676 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,400 mitigate stress? Like how do you structure your 677 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,360 day-to-day? My structure, my day-to-day, it 678 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,920 can be different. To be fair, it does vary from 679 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,440 day-to-day. I'm not always consistent with 680 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680 how the order I do things. But I wake up definitely before 681 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,280 8:00 AM because I feel my circadian rhythm. 682 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,320 I'm very in tune with it. And I don't know if maybe your 683 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,720 listeners are super in tune with you know how your body clock 684 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,120 works. But there will be a certain time 685 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,760 of day where you're more alert and where your cortisol rises. 686 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,920 And mine rises definitely before 8. 687 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,840 If I wake up after 8, I feel really groggy. 688 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,720 So I always make sure I'm up like half six, 7:00, I'll go for 689 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120 a walk in the morning to try and set my mindset for the day or 690 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,440 I'll go to the gym, then I'll have like a big protein shake 691 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,800 and I'll have like lots of food, do my work. 692 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,240 And then I really essential for me is to have a break at around 693 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,240 3:00 PM when I have that cortisol dip. 694 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,680 So after lunchtime you have like a little dip in cortisol where 695 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,800 probably we used to nap, but now we're not allowed to because 696 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,880 it's not so socially acceptable to nap in the day. 697 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,640 So I have a rest because I try to be in tune with my body and 698 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,440 what it needs and go with its natural flow of when it has 699 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920 energy and I'm able to perform and when I need to have a little 700 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,840 bit more rest. And then I have dinner no later 701 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,440 than 8:00 at night because you need to give your gut like 702 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,160 around 12 hours resting time when you're asleep. 703 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,440 So I have my last meal at eight, 8:00 PM and then not eat until 704 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,160 8:00 AM the next day. So my gut has time to regenerate 705 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,120 and heal itself and make sure I get good quality sleep because I 706 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,440 know how that has a huge impact on your stress levels. 707 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,040 But always making sure that I'm I get some daylight every day 708 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600 and have some movement in my body, whether that's working out 709 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,960 or at least going for a walk. Totally, totally what? 710 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,080 What time do you want to go to sleep? 711 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,199 I'm struggling with this in the winter. 712 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,360 I've got to be honest with you. I try to go to bed at half 10, 713 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,159 but honestly, usually it ends up being half eleven. 714 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,960 I'm like, how is it half 11 now? So I think in winter my body 715 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,480 clock does just change a little bit. 716 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,280 But I aim for, I would say before 11:00, whether that's 717 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,719 like 10:45 would be my ideal, yeah. 718 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,000 Do you find that it's easy to reset 1 circadian rhythm, or 719 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,199 does that take quite a bit of time? 720 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,760 I think it's different for different people and in 721 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,960 different stages of your life because I've definitely, 722 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,040 definitely found I have a shift in my circadian rhythm that I 723 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,719 haven't really purposely done. It's just kind of happened to 724 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480 me. So if I try to go to bed now at 725 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,280 10:00 PM, that would just be way too early for me. 726 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,760 Whereas I used to go to bed at 9:00 PM and get up at 5:00. 727 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,120 So I do think some of it is just your body changing as you age 728 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,600 and you you reach different ages. 729 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,960 Like now I'm 33, whereas before my 20s, I used to get up really 730 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,760 early. But I know one of the biggest 731 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,280 things that can help is making sure you have daylight in the 732 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,640 morning. So the daylight hits your eyes 733 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,360 and your, your brain stops releasing the sleep hormone and 734 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,040 starts releasing serotonin. So your circadian rhythms like, 735 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,920 oh, it's daytime now, this is when I'm awake. 736 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,720 And then that helps to, you know, get you back into that 737 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,160 rhythm and flow. And then avoiding screens, 738 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,840 avoiding really bright lights and stuff at night time so your 739 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,240 brain knows it's time to wind down. 740 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,720 And that can really help with resetting your circadian rhythm. 741 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,360 Yeah, it's interesting because I definitely know the benefits of, 742 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,600 you know, natural sunlight exposure. 743 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,000 And for me, I wake up at like 3:00 or 4:00 every day. 744 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,520 So it's obviously dark, especially this time of year. 745 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,920 And I don't get to see sun until like 737, thirty or eight. 746 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,280 So I'm awake for so many hours prior to actually being exposed 747 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,320 to any natural sunlight, which I am not a fan of because I'm in, 748 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,040 you know, bright lights, you know, overhead lights during 749 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920 that time. But if I'd sleep in until the 750 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,240 sun rises, I just feel significantly more groggy 751 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,760 throughout the day. So I must just be backwards. 752 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520 I don't know. But I think everyone has their 753 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,240 own circadian rhythm, don't they? 754 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,440 And I talk to people about their sleep schedule. 755 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,280 And I think we're not all supposed to go to bed at 10 and 756 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,480 wake up at 6:00 because if we did that back when we lived in 757 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,480 tribes, we'd all be dead because we'd all be murdered in our 758 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600 sleep or eaten by a sabretooth tiger or whatever. 759 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,120 Like people will have different sleep schedules. 760 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,600 And maybe for you, that's what works for you. 761 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,960 And I'm a big believer in going with what your body tells you 762 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680 and following that body intelligence because your body 763 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,120 will show you when do you feel good and when do you feel that 764 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,720 crap? Like if you feel awful after you 765 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,520 wake up after the sunrise, that's telling you something, 766 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,200 right? Yeah, totally. 767 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,120 I've got a 2 1/2 year old and he takes like a two to three hour 768 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,160 nap every every afternoon. And it's funny because like I 769 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,800 feel like that's how things used to be for all of us. 770 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,560 Like we would all take this siesta. 771 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,600 And if you go to some parts of the world that that's what they 772 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,080 do. They take a siesta after the 773 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,040 lunch hours, and it's, you know, a relaxed, you know, time to 774 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,520 rejuvenate, to take a nap. And it's, like, totally 775 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,680 countercultural in today's standards to do something like 776 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,280 that. But I'm like, looking at him and 777 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,600 he's growing. He just wakes up all vibrant. 778 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,640 And if he doesn't have his nap, he's, you know, a little terror 779 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,480 for the rest of the afternoon, as many of us adults are. 780 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,680 And I'm like, man, we should just make that popular again. 781 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,320 Let's bring back napping. I'm such a big believer in that. 782 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,600 I know they do that in the, you know, the blue zones, the areas 783 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960 of the world where people live the longest that they'll they'll 784 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,600 nap like they'll wake up super early, do a bunch of work and 785 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,200 then nap and just lie around and and sleep. 786 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,720 I'm like, yeah, let's bring that back, please. 787 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,320 Want to hear that in some political parties manifesto 788 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,080 because that that's what I want. Bring back napping. 789 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,280 Hey, I'm. I'm all for it. 790 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040 I'm all for it. Well, I know we're we're short 791 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,560 on time here. You've got another appointment, 792 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,320 but I'd love to kind of learn more about what you've got 793 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,360 planned for 2025. What's in the pipeline, What are 794 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,200 you excited about? I'm excited about just helping 795 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,520 more people recover their gut. So I'm starting a gut recovery 796 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,400 coaching program where I walk people through basically 797 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,600 demystifying anything to do with gut health, anything to do with 798 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,440 IBS, and educating people around, right, Food 799 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,160 intolerances. Let's identify your food 800 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,720 intolerances, why they're having such a big impact on your IBS. 801 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,800 Let's identify your gut microbiome. 802 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,280 Basically systematically going through and looking at all the 803 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,280 areas that can really trigger the issues with gut health and, 804 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,240 and IBS. And I'm really excited for that 805 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,360 because I just feel like I want to help as many people as 806 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,400 possible to A, understand their health and B, recover it. 807 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,920 So it's not kind of having such a huge impact and ruining their 808 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,320 lives. That's like it used to of mine. 809 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,720 But aside from that, outside of professional, I think just work, 810 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,680 work working more, travelling more, going to Australia to see 811 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,360 some friends, just going on holidays and just exploring the 812 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,240 world. I feel like since COVID things 813 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,720 have been a bit heavy. So yeah, I'm excited to just 814 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,320 travel and and have new experiences, yeah. 815 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,640 Travel. Travel is awesome. 816 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,160 Like we, I went to Brazil for 10 days this past year and that was 817 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,880 amazing. And then my folks are actually 818 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080 about to sail around the world and I'm going to fly out and 819 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,160 meet them in various ports as they're doing so and just kind 820 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,520 of see more of everything. Because you get stuck in this 821 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,760 echo Chamber of belief systems when you're just in your own 822 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,680 bubble and just travelling is the the most surefire way to 823 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,800 break free of that and get more perspective in life. 824 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,400 Oh, 100%. And I think isn't it something 825 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,800 that's now been shown to be neuroprotective? 826 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,080 So like the people who travel and spend money on travel are a 827 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,760 lot happier and healthier than people who spend it on like 828 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,880 things, for example, if you buy material possession. 829 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,200 So yeah, I definitely agree with you on that one. 830 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,400 Yeah. 100% So when is the the course going live? 831 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520 The course I'm going to hoping it's going to go live in spring 832 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,240 2025, don't hold me to that. But yeah, that's what I'm hoping 833 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,160 to to bring forward and have that ready to launch. 834 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,400 At the moment, I'm still working with clients 1:00 to 1:00. 835 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,080 But until then, yeah, that's what I'm going to be working on 836 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,720 and hopefully around April time. Awesome. 837 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:56,880 Well, that's very exciting indeed. 838 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480 It's, it's, it's great that you're, you know, doing this out 839 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,720 of your own motivation, having seen how much your life, you 840 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,760 know, positively improved as a result of it. 841 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,560 I feel like when you come into the space with that as your 842 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,560 background, you're in it for the right reasons. 843 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200 You're helping people because you truly want to and it just 844 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,640 carries so much more weight. So I tip my hat to you for doing 845 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:14,840 that. Oh. 846 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,800 Thank you. Yeah, 100% is definitely, when 847 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,480 you've experienced it yourself, you want to show people that you 848 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,720 don't have to live like that. So yeah, it's definitely my big 849 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,080 passion. Absolutely. 850 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,760 Well, until the, until the course does go out, where, where 851 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,200 do people go to find out more about you to, you know, pursue 852 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,240 the one-on-one if they want to go that route or just follow 853 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,000 along? Yeah, sure. 854 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,760 I mean, you can come over and listen to my podcast on IBS and 855 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,520 gut health, which is called Gut Reactions. 856 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,520 I'm sure we'll put the link in the show notes or they can 857 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,440 follow me on Instagram. I'll give you that my handle as 858 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,200 well because my name is quite difficult to spell. 859 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,280 But yeah, you can contact me through Instagram if you if you 860 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,960 want to have a consultation. But the podcast is the main, 861 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,000 main way that I talk to people. Awesome. 862 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,960 Well, I will definitely link out to make it the easy people to 863 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,760 find you. And I really appreciate the time 864 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,400 Atavia. And there's everything I can do 865 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,480 to help. Just let me know. 866 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,000 Thank you so much. It's been great talking to you 867 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,840 likewise. Likewise, take care and happy 868 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,120 Twin 25 happy. 2025.