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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents Robert snakes 

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Quito Savage.com. 
Today? 

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I've got special guest good 
friend and fellow natural 

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bodybuilding, competitor Flex on
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He actually beat me in a prior 
competition. 

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I was on his podcast about two 
weeks ago and we just kind of 

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like brought things back up and 
talk to since 2017. 

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We shared the stage together. 
So it was awesome to catch up 

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and dive deep into what he's 
been doing from a nutritional 

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standpoint. 
He was vegan for like eight plus

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years. 
He's just recently kind of gone 

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more towards the ketogenic diets
that mad about flexibility diet.

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He's just really been doubling 
down on that with great success.

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So it just super awesome to 
catch up with him. 

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Talk about natural bodybuilding,
while he does natural 

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bodybuilding. 
What he's doing with his diet 

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it. 
Now what his plans are going 

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forward from a business and 
entrepreneurial standpoint, 

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nothing but respect for this 
guy, thoroughly enjoyed the 

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conversation. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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enjoy it as well. 
Without further Ado, sit back, 

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relax. 
Enjoy the podcast with flex. 

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You're live Flex. 
What's up, brother? 

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What's up? 
My man? 

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How you doing? 
Cool and good man, go get life 

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is good. 
It's awesome. 

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Talk to you again. 
I was on your podcast. 

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I don't know. 
Was that two weeks ago? 

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Now, I guess two weeks ago right
before the New Year's man, right

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before the New Year's and it was
cool catching up with you 

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because I haven't talked to you 
since 2017 when we shared a 

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stage 2. 
Together, man. 

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It's been a while brother. 
It's been a while. 

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You'd be said to me on Instagram
and from the sounds of it. 

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You've been kind of dabbling in 
Kido Kido issues, what you call 

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it, correct. 
He don't wish man, like these 

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days. 
I don't even like to label kind 

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of what I'm doing, man, because 
the moment we start labeling, 

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people start getting a 
perception and started getting 

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these weird thoughts, but Quito 
wish vegan ish, flexitarian, as 

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sure, everything is, and 
everything is just mixed up. 

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You know, I'm saying? 
I'm taking the The best of 

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multiple breeds and rolling with
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Totally respect that man. 
Well, to give the listener some 

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context we competed together in 
2017 and we talked about this a 

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little bit on your show, but you
beat me in that class. 

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We were both doing open 
bodybuilding. 

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There's only like four of us in 
that, that class, if I remember 

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correctly and then you, you took
the crown on that one. 

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We're both hitting the splits in
the pose down. 

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We're both rocking and rolling. 
You got the overall title on 

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that, but It's just been awesome
kind of competing with you mean 

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like our whole little tribe of 
natural body. 

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Builders is all really cool. 
Like the whole camaraderie. 

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Is there. 
Everybody genuinely wants to see

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everyone else succeed, but we're
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So I've always had respect for 
you and everybody else that runs

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around in our group, but it's 
cool to see you, you know, kind 

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of dabbling in other 
nutritional, protocols beyond 

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what the traditional or status 
quo is, I guess we should say, 

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in the, in the context of the 
natural bodybuilding nutritional

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circles. 
Absolutely, man. 

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Absolutely. 
And the thing is Robert. 

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It's like, I wanted to find a 
plan. 

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That was my selfishly easy for 
me, write that I can follow 

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every day and sustain like a 
like a, you know, not just a 

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lane level of body fat 
throughout the year, but stay 

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strong recover faster, but for 
me, I have so much things going 

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on. 
And you can appreciate this as 

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an entrepreneur. 
Having your own businesses. 

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We got to stay mentally sharp, 
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And and the past meant, like, I 
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I had the look, but Sometimes, 
my mental Clarity wasn't all 

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there, and sometimes, like, not 
even my mental, health wasn't 

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all there. 
So, I wanted to find a way, 

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where a balance kind of 
Aesthetics as well as health and

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Optimal Performance man, and, 
and I've stumbled across that, 

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you know, as of recently, I 
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of reached out to you. 
And then, that's why I did start

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kind of going more towards the 
keto lower carb diet, again, 

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right? 
Well, I mean, you can't talk to 

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me a little bit about your 
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I talk to you previously, but 
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you've been key to or you've 
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Pretty much exclusively vegan 
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right? 
That's what you've been doing 

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predominantly here lately, 
right? 

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So I want to say the last about 
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I was kind of on and off like 
almost pure vegan sometimes to 

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extreme, right? 
But when I first started 

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bodybuilding men, I was just 
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you know, focus on Whole Foods. 
Really like, count calories, 

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macros, nothing like that. 
Like, just started dabbling into

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calories when I first competed, 
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some cardio and like eating 
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bodybuilding competition. 
And first showman, it was back 

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in 2011 June and I got my butt 
kicked, right? 

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I didn't know what I was doing, 
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Like I was imposing, right? 
It was my first show. 

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I was nervous and I think I took
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So this is before I Even knew 
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bodybuilding Federation. 
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experience into bodybuilding, 
but I just fell in love with the

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process along the way. 
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looked back since from a vegan 
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Did you notice? 
I mean, you've always looked 

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freaking shredded that I've ever
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I've known you. 
But did you notice any issues in

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like retaining lean tissue 
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meets at all when you were doing
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Not necessarily man, because I 
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the form of have my own like 
supplement company. 

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So I do a couple protein, shakes
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And this this was mine. 
Do you like I'm telling you 

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this? 
Because I recently, switched, my

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whole game plan, as of December.
It's a second Zach, right? 

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But yeah, like, I didn't really 
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with retaining muscle, mass or 
even like, shrimp, none of that 

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stuff and it's almost quite the 
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Men, like everything's kind of 
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I'd recover quicker and I think 
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much micronutrients and in my 
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dabbled around with even like 
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Like some days I wasn't getting 
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was doing maybe 200 300 grams of
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protocol. 
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day grams of protein. 
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man cuz like I think we've all 
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dieting standpoint. 
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Another we all just read the 
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looking at have chicken and 
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day, every two hours or else 
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nothing. 
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everybody put her has had like 
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their protocol and yeah, that 
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Just the Bro, wisdom that 
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of miserable eating that much 
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Like, there's nothing Pleasant 
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In my opinion. 
What especially bro? 

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When it's not the, the most 
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What I mean by that is when I 
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bodybuilding, it was like, Hey, 
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chicken, pray, your pan with 
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so it's like chicken breasts, 
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you know, Turkey, just a boring 
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miserable. 
Right? 

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And it's hard to put down a 
chicken breast, right? 

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And Especially if you're like 
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can't really sauce it up. 
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chicken breast, but it's like 
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bodybuilding career and got 
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know, and yeah, you get better 
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most lean cuts of meat and not 
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So it's that's why I like once I
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I was like, hey, I don't need to
eat all that that brough lean 

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meat anymore. 
Stay strong. 

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I'm going to keep my muscle 
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Right? 
What was the motivation for for 

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dabbling? 
Towards more of this keto 

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approach? 
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pretty good success with a 
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What was the motivation for 
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I think men just just research 
knowledge and just raising my 

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own, you know, awareness level 
my own development and growth 

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not only as a coach but as a 
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that's how I kind of am, right 
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I just like to soak up knowledge
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Data and look at science and 
it's like, if science is tell me

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one thing. 
I got to give it a try. 

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No to try it for myself. 
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competition gonna go back a 
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Actually. 
I took first place, man, big 

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class. 
There's probably eight, guys. 

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Eight or nine, guys. 
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I competed in the lightweight 
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So my first show, I did 
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lightweight. 
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show is I did a ultra low 
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High protein, but it was low 
fat, right? 

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So, that was kind of my first, 
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Hey, the lower carbohydrate diet
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and I was probably like I was 
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know, dudes on the stage almost 
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I want my class of almost won 
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against the big guys, right? 
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And so I know, I know the low 
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wrong this whole time, right? 
Robert is I was doing low-fat, 

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right? 
And you need good saturated 

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fats, Omega-3s, you know, to 
fight inflammation, lubricate 

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your joints, good gut, health, 
good brain health. 

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So back when I was, you know, 
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man. 
My I was miserable right? 

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Like my body was an optimal. 
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I had the Aesthetics had the 
look but inside man, I wasn't 

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healthy as I could be and that's
why I started dabbling into the 

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back to the keto world. 
The lower carb world, you know, 

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but also another tool that I 
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its fasting. 
Whether it be intermittent. 

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I'll kick in a long fast. 
What I mean by long as anything 

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about, you know, 24, 48 Hours, 
72 hours. 

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And I think keto along with 
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Is, is a, you know, one of the 
most like poet recipes to keep 

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us like just, you know, almost 
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year-round. 
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I mean I did. 
We agree with you. 

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I've been trying to, you know, 
shout that message from the 

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rooftops for a few years now. 
It's interesting because like a 

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lot of people like before, Kita 
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Like when I first started doing 
it, there wasn't really any body

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butters that I was aware of that
we're doing that didn't mean 

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they weren't out there. 
I just certainly didn't know of 

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them and there was once kids 
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There would be a lot of body 
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Quito and they would say, you 
know, they would tell me what 

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their macros were and it would 
be like very, very low carb but 

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also very very high. 
Teen very, very low fat kind of 

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what you're describing in. 
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It's weird man. 
Like there's all this division 

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in the keto low-carb space, 
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There's a lot of people are 
saying, you got to have high 

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protein, some people send you 
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there's all this division when 
it's like, we should all just be

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on the same team. 
We're all advocating something 

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pretty similar, but a lot of 
them, the body butters that were

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coming from there, bro, dieting 
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If the goal is to lose body fat.
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body fat are the longest I ever.
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the highest it ever had been. 
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I totally agree with you. 
I mean, the the research speaks 

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for itself, right? 
There's so many, clinical 

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trials, studies, you know, 
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Placebo studies, but also like 
empirical evidence. 

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I mean myself, you know, like a 
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I'm coaching now and kind of 
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We're all getting crazy amazing 

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results quicker than ever. 
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sustainable, more simple, you 
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reservation about it because I 
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that, you know, I didn't feel my
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low-carb low-fat, that wasn't 
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day and I was Miss labeling. 
What key do truly is and the 

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benefits of following, you know,
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T as possible, right? 
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improve all these things 
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of talk, right? 
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specifically, but when you look 
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builders perspective, when your,
when your body fat is incredibly

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changing, you know, like your 
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like things. 
Just start getting weird and 

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foremost. 
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incredibly low dietary fat, on 
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tank. 
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all these crazy binging 
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everything's out of whack. 
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minimized. 
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diet out of that and it was just
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from the get-go. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Bro, and I love how we're coming
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Now to really the science of it,
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control, and what could throw 
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man? 
You don't really have full 

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awareness acknowledgement in 
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right? 
So that's why I've really dove 

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into the research, man. 
I just not just keto but the 

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whole research around hormonal 
function cellular function, you 

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know, data might have 
mitochondria our gut health, our

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brain health, how everything is 
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They're all these complicated 
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And, you know, I've really, I 
think I've cracked the code man 

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on what foods that we have to 
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instructions, sending our 
hormones, and sells those 

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signals. 
That's, that's going to Keep us 

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optimal, keep us healthy, you 
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You know, fight inflammation, 
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Cellular Rejuvenation. 
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we can provoke. 
Robber is more people to not 

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just listen to us man in other 
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your own research, right? 
Go do what's best for you. 

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there's a bunch of a lot of 
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that you and I are kind of we're
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Another topic we talked about 
And on my podcast was how we got

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to eliminate or minimize 
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Especially the ultra-processed 
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So, even as a vegan, you know, 
there's still a lot of processed

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foods that are available right, 
even paleo. 

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There's a lot of processed foods
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key. 
Do, you know, believe it or not?

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There's a lot of Quito foods 
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they're still process. 
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ketogenic lower carb diet, 
cutting out all the products. 

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Prost. 
No process crap. 

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Right. 
Processed carbs, processed 

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meats, and that's why I kind of 
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man, because, you know, just 
just to get enough protein 

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right? 
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I was eating alternative meets. 
Look at the ingredients in those

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alternative meets. 
It's a lot of the process stuff 

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that I'm now promoting to 
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So men, if I can, I'll share my 
story right in terms of like 

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what I went through to kind of 
help me to help me like really 

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reflect raise my awareness and 
just make a change man like that

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to really focus on health and 
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whole extreme like vegan 
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I want to save the planet, man, 
right? 

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I got to focus on my health, 
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I got to be here for my family, 
for my, you know, my parents, my

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siblings, my friends, and all 
the people that I'm helping and 

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it's like Health First Right, 
but I still believe that we can 

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still change the world, you 
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the right Foods. 
Totally. 

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I think a lot of the vegans, I 
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know, like they have very 
admirable aspirations of saving 

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the planet but there's a lot of 
ignorance in that demographic 

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around what damage is actually 
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afford a totally vegan lifestyle
and it's not like, it's a 

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perfect Sunshine. 
A rainbow scenario by any means,

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you know, I mean, there's pros 
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but it's like, if we just Follow
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everybody always goes to 
homeostasis. 

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Right? 
If we all follow kind of just 

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balance principles man. 
I feel like we can all work 

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together and save the planet 
together. 

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Like we don't have to have these
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that if the messaging 
phraseology starts really 

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changing, you know, we could all
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movements fighting against each 
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We work together and create one,
massive integrated Movement. 

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Like that's I believe that that 
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Us. 
Acting role, like the fact that 

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this extreme X vegan is 
connecting with a the keto 

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Savage, bro, like that's change 
table. 

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It's good, man. 
Like I like, I like that because

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I don't ever want to become so 
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And like that holier-than-thou 
with, with nutritional protocol 

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that I personally have used to 
see success in my life. 

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I'm passionate about the kids 
think that because of what it's 

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done for my life, and I'm 
passionate about sharing it to 

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people, but if I ever come 
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people that don't follow my 
protocol. 

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Then I'm not doing anybody. 
Any good. 

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You know, all you got to do in 
life is have the right 

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intentions, maintain your 
integrity and put forth a 

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positive message in for those 
that it resonates strongly with 

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you can make a positive impact, 
you know, absolutely man. 

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Absolutely. 
And you know, back to us being 

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coaches to write. 
If we can't transform involve 

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ourselves, right? 
Using the, the most up-to-date 

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empirical evidence scientific 
studies. 

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No research. 
Then we're not the best coach, 

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right? 
We got to evolve. 

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With the best information that's
out there. 

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That's that has been 
scientifically proven. 

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And you know, I used to be one 
of those were at look at people 

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like, oh they're not on a vegan 
diet. 

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So I'm not going to work with 
them or hey, did I want to 

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follow macros? 
I don't want to work with them 

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and I've just changed up my 
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Like I'm more like 
principle-based instead of just 

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saying, you know Thou shalt do 
this only kind of thing, right? 

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And the more strategies the more
approaches that we could teach 

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people and I'm emphasizing. 
Teaching because some coaches, 

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man, they'll give a client a 
plan but then the client doesn't

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take accountability on their own
to do their own research to 

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understand why their coach is, 
you know, giving the plan or the

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instructions are getting from 
the coach. 

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That's, that's kind of a like, a
bad situation. 

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So again, man, for all the views
view viewers out there, 

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listening watching this. 
It's like yeah, you know, work 

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with a coach but also, you know,
level up your research, right? 

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Level up, your skills on what 
you're putting on your body. 

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See how your training, you know,
what you're putting in your mind

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and you know, make the best 
decisions that's going to be 

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optimal for you. 
Right? 

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Let's the same entire people you
have with their doctor to, they 

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just expect their doctor to have
their best interest in mind. 

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But in reality. 
No one's going to care as much 

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about your health as you are 
ideally so really, you know, 

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putting forth the legwork and 
doing the research diving into 

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it, you know, taking some 
initiative and accepting your 

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own responsibility for your own 
health is going to be in 

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everybody's best interest. 
So I think as it, you know, as a

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demographic bodybuilders are 
often times, the guinea pigs, 

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like bodybuilders are why there 
is so much scientific research 

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around anabolic steroids. 
For instance because body 

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butters were some of the first 
people to roast our testing this

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out themselves. 
Not so much as being natural 

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body butters, but we do extreme 
things to deliver extreme 

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results from like dieting and 
compositional standpoint. 

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And it's been interesting to 
send me. 

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The keto bubble has come and 
gone. 

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That probably peaked in 2000 17 
and 18, but I've always said And

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I think there's going to be a 
lag effect with keto within, you

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know, bodybuilding circles 
because body butters are very, 

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very stubborn and ignorant. 
They just like they like doing 

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the things that they've always 
been told to do and I've always 

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done. 
So it's cool to see other body 

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builders such as yourself 
looking towards a ketogenic or 

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higher fat, lower carb approach 
in seeing awesome success with 

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it. 
Absolutely man. 

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And the thing is Robert is like 
before I was applying like these

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principles right I'd get I mean,
levels of body fat. 

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And dude, I would be always 
freezing, cold, right? 

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I'll be freezing, cold. 
My joints would be a key. 

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Like, I don't have the the sex 
drive like, man. 

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That's, that's open. 
Everyone knows that, like, your 

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sex drive kind of Tanks, right? 
If your hormone imbalance is 

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throwing me off wax and that's 
why you have those issues and 

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it's crazy Malik since I've been
on this this new like I call it 

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metabolic flexibility. 
We talked about my podcast meta 

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Flex for sure, right? 
I feel like Now that I'm so 

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metabolically flexible, man. 
Like I don't have those issues I

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used to have before and I'm 
walking around now like single 

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digit body fat, you know what I 
mean? 

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Without even really trying. 
So I believe that we we've 

451
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cracked the code man and the 
more we can share this new 

452
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,700
approach. 
It's going to be less suffering 

453
00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:29,900
from from athletes, you know, 
less suffering by our clients. 

454
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:33,200
And I feel like we got to change
the whole body building industry

455
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,900
as a whole because I'm seeing 
too many people, jeopardizing 

456
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:39,500
their health just too. 
Optimal Aesthetics, right? 

457
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,200
And in some of these protocols 
that are being followed today, 

458
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,900
just have been completely 
debunked by science by research 

459
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:50,400
empirical evidence and I feel 
like coaches they got to do the 

460
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,900
research man. 
They got a raise their awareness

461
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,600
and give the best plan to 
optimize not only their, you 

462
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,800
know, clients Health but their 
hormonal, you know, Health as 

463
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,500
well got Health brain health. 
Like the body should be optimal 

464
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,200
when it looks optimal, right? 
So Hopefully again, man, we can 

465
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,000
keep provoking people to really 
think really do their research 

466
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,000
and make informed decisions. 
That is certainly the go man. 

467
00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:19,700
What I wanted to kind of dive 
into natural bodybuilding 

468
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,600
specific. 
Like, why do you do natural 

469
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,600
bodybuilding? 
I feel like there's a lot of 

470
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,500
people out there that don't even
know that natural bodybuilding 

471
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,700
is a thing that exists because 
they just see the body butters 

472
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,300
that are walking around, you 
know, shredded at 300-plus 

473
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:35,600
pounds on the mr. 
Olympia stage and I just assume 

474
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,500
it's all bodybuilders. 
I'm certainly not one of those 

475
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:41,400
body butters. 
I'm walking around 175 pounds 

476
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,900
right now. 
I'm not that shredded. 

477
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,500
But for you like, what is 
natural bodybuilding for you? 

478
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:50,800
And why do you do it, man? 
It's just, my cousin used to 

479
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,900
take steroids. 
Right? 

480
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,600
And I was like, exposed to 
steroids at a young age where, 

481
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,600
like seventh grade, you seventh 
grade, and I'm a lifetime 

482
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,500
drug-free bodybuilder, right? 
7th grade, man. 

483
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,900
This dude was Jack third and 
seventh grade, bro. 

484
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:07,200
This guy had let me look like 
Arnold. 

485
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:09,700
Ashwin eger in Middle School, 
7th, grade. 

486
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,900
And he was like, I was like, 
bro. 

487
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:13,800
How do you look like this? 
Things? 

488
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,400
Like, man? 
I take this this, this but you 

489
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,500
know what? 
I didn't want. 

490
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,500
Like, the side effects that he 
had that he was openly sharing 

491
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,800
with me. 
I'm like, I don't know if I want

492
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,400
that just to look like that. 
You know I'm saying. 

493
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,300
So I've always been working out 
man. 

494
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,100
Since about six seventh grade, 
like I've Loved training, but I 

495
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:34,200
never really fell into the Trap 
of wanting to get too big, you 

496
00:24:34,208 --> 00:24:37,200
know, really quick, right? 
My cousin. 

497
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,500
Cousin also older cousin and God
Rest his soul, rest in peace. 

498
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:45,100
He was also taken steroids and 
he's playing college football. 

499
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,200
What Washington State University
man, and he was on steroids, use

500
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,300
on gear. 
He was he was big as heck. 

501
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,300
But again, like I saw his side 
effects, right? 

502
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,600
That he had. 
And if he got off a cycle, like 

503
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,600
his body would kind of almost 
shrink man, like, you know, back

504
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,400
down to like looking normal, 
right? 

505
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,800
And then he was always dependent
on having to take something in 

506
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,000
order to get that look. 
And attain that looked at that 

507
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,500
he has. 
And what I found out was, yeah, 

508
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:16,400
these guys are taking 
performance-enhancing drugs, but

509
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,200
they, you know, they weren't 
that much more stronger than I 

510
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,500
was right. 
And they weren't like outpacing 

511
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:23,200
me on a workout. 
So I was like, I don't really 

512
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,700
need that to be athletic and you
know to I wanted to just say 

513
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,600
natural man. 
So that's why I chose not to 

514
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,500
because I got exposed to what it
was early and it was the side 

515
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,200
effects to be frankly with you 
that iced tea. 

516
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,300
Clear of all the Peds. 
Well, there's such a mind game 

517
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,000
that goes with it, man. 
Like there was this one guy that

518
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600
I worked out with at a Gold's 
Gym in Washington state? 

519
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,400
When I lived up there and he was
kind of like the guy that was 

520
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,000
always on the gear at the gym. 
Yeah, but whenever he was off 

521
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,800
the cycle, like he was just like
suicidal depressed man. 

522
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,800
Like I don't know if it was 
because of his lack of 

523
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,700
self-esteem and his self-image 
or or just all hormonal 

524
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,600
fluctuations, or you know, brain
chemicals. 

525
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,400
I don't really know. 
What causes all that because I 

526
00:26:08,408 --> 00:26:10,200
don't really know that industry 
that much. 

527
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,700
But I mean just to see the 
distraught in his face when he 

528
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,100
wasn't on cycle. 
I mean, like I can't imagine 

529
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,900
having to go through those kind 
of highs and lows and but when 

530
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:23,000
he was, when he was on stuff, I 
mean he was freaking on top of 

531
00:26:23,008 --> 00:26:24,400
the world. 
Like he was happy-go-lucky. 

532
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,200
He was smiling all the time, 
just a super comedic. 

533
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,900
Awesome guy to be around and 
then he would go from that to 

534
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:34,500
like suicidal and was just a 
constant fluctuation and I just 

535
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,600
I didn't want that type of 
irregularity. 

536
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,500
Absolutely. 
I mean, it's kind of, all of it,

537
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,300
all of the above Robert, but the
most critical thing man is, is, 

538
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,900
it's a hormonal imbalance, 
right? 

539
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,000
So, if you think about all the 
anabolic steroids, right? 

540
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,300
And I also, I want to talk 
about, like, animalism versus 

541
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,200
catabolism, but we'll get to 
that in a second. 

542
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,200
So I believe that because like, 
bodybuilders are always trying 

543
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,900
to be anabolic, always trying to
grow. 

544
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,300
We're and they're, you know, 
they're taking extra Venus 

545
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,400
hormones, right? 
Growth hormone insulin, you 

546
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,600
know, all those other drugs, 
like it's just put more hormones

547
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
in your body. 
But since we got to go to 

548
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,400
homeostasis, something has to 
give, right. 

549
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,500
So if you're pumping yourself up
with all the growth hormone, the

550
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,800
insulin and all that, your 
insulin, you know, it kind of 

551
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,400
just messes up. 
All the other accounts are 

552
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,100
regulatory hormones in your 
body. 

553
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,200
But the thing too is like, you 
know, in the bodybuilding 

554
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,500
industry. 
I mean, it's not a matter of say

555
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:33,100
this PC van in the PC way. 
Now, I'm just gonna be open. 

556
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:36,700
Okay. 
It's not a surprise that a lot 

557
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,100
of a lot of Builders have Eating
Disorders, right? 

558
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:43,100
Body dysmorphia and all that but
then it's I think it's comes 

559
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:46,500
down to food number one. 
But also it's the extra Venus 

560
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:50,300
hormones that you know, a lot of
the non-natural guys are using 

561
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,400
and it's just messing up our 
hormone imbalance, which is 

562
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,400
messing up kind of our brain. 
Health is blocking neurological 

563
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,100
Pathways to our brain and our 
like, our dopamine reward 

564
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,400
center, right? 
That's that's one thing. 

565
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,100
I want to talk about as well. 
But if our neurological pathways

566
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,700
are blocked by by Foods, That 
are addictive such as, you know,

567
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,600
processed Sugar Sugar, you know,
oils fats, preservative salt. 

568
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,700
Our body can't even 
differentiate ingesting those 

569
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,500
substances with drugs. 
Tobacco alcohol cocaine drugs, 

570
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:25,400
right? 
So, it's like, so now you're 

571
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,000
kind of mounting like all the 
food. 

572
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,100
So it's like, hey, what's the 
eating number? 

573
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:29,900
One? 
Number two? 

574
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:31,700
It's like, what kind of drugs is
taking? 

575
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200
So it's almost like he's 
ingesting a lot of these just 

576
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,600
addictive substances and It's 
doing to our neural at all. 

577
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:42,100
Neurological pathway. 
It's blocking like our cognitive

578
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,200
function or decision-making 
impacts. 

579
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Your mood makes you depressed, 
you know, gives you just 

580
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400
negative thoughts all the way to
the point of having suicidal 

581
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,400
thoughts. 
I mean, been there, done that, 

582
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,300
bro, like, that was kind of my 
lowest point which forced me to 

583
00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:00,900
really change my Approach on 
diet and lifestyle and I truly 

584
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:02,200
believe that. 
That's it's what it is. 

585
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,600
That's what it is man. 
It's a hormonal imbalance right?

586
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,700
With a drug utilization and Lee 
the wrong food selection, I 

587
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:11,500
mean, if you think about 
bodybuilders, right? 

588
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:16,000
They're used to eating 3 4 5, 6 
up to eight up to 10 times per 

589
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600
day. 
So you couple the fact with, if 

590
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,200
they're selecting the wrong 
Foods, man. 

591
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Not only are they eating too 
much, but eating too frequently 

592
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,500
of the wrong Foods, the wrong 
quality. 

593
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,400
So that's that's what I truly 
believe based on the empirical 

594
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,600
evidence in kind of science and 
research that I've just stumbled

595
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,100
upon, you know, as of late, that
makes sense, man. 

596
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:40,700
And like It breaks my heart to 
see so many people pushed into 

597
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:44,700
this, you know, sport where they
are taking and promoting 

598
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:47,200
performance-enhancing drugs with
Without Really. 

599
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,500
Any reason for it. 
Long term. 

600
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,500
I mean, they're like, the people
that quick disclaimer here. 

601
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:56,900
I am a natural athlete, but I 
don't, you know, I don't have 

602
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,000
this kind of some nature towards
people that do take steroids. 

603
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,500
I mean, to each their own, do 
whatever you want to do. 

604
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:04,800
It's your life your body, but I 
see so many, you know, first 

605
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,300
time, competitors, amateur 
competitors that are not Not 

606
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,700
looking to make a living and 
support their family with the 

607
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,700
sport of bodybuilding, you know,
pushed towards using 

608
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:15,700
performance-enhancing drugs from
their coaches. 

609
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:17,700
And that to me, just makes no 
sense. 

610
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:18,800
Like if you're competing on the 
mr. 

611
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,900
Olympia stage and that is 
literally how you put food on 

612
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,300
the table and you got the best 
doctors in your corner, and, you

613
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,100
know, all the ins and outs of 
the chemicals and what they're 

614
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:27,700
going to have the long-term 
implications. 

615
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,500
That's one thing. 
But if you're an amateur coming 

616
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,200
in the sport, doing your first 
or second or third show, and 

617
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,700
you're doing this to get like a 
twenty dollar plastic trophy at 

618
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,900
the end of it. 
And You know, like you're just 

619
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:41,100
doing this to prove to yourself 
that you can, and your coach is 

620
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:44,200
pushing you to using all these 
drugs that are going to have 

621
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,700
serious hormonal implications. 
Like that means just playing 

622
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:49,600
with fire and it's not, it's not
good. 

623
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,500
There's no reason for it. 
Absolutely man. 

624
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,100
I think it comes down to just 
misinformation. 

625
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,000
That's what it is. 
Right. 

626
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,900
So if you think about that 
coach, they probably had a coach

627
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,700
before them. 
That was promoting the same 

628
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,600
protocol and a lot of people 
just fall into the Trap of not 

629
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,100
asking enough questions. 
Not doing enough research. 

630
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,100
Search and that really informing
themselves to make the right 

631
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,300
decision. 
So it's like if you're 

632
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:16,000
misinformed you're going to make
the wrong decision and once you 

633
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000
become a coach that really 
breaks my heart as well, man, to

634
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,500
the point where it's quite 
dangerous as well. 

635
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:25,900
Right, but I'm I'm kind of I 
hate seeing people fall into the

636
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,800
Trap man and like you said, 
right? 

637
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,900
If you got to do that to put, 
you know, food on the table by 

638
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:35,200
all means, but if you're just 
getting into it, like man, give 

639
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400
yourself a chance to like grow. 
Naturally our do it naturally 

640
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,500
first understand your body. 
And if you feel like you truly 

641
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,300
need it and it's almost like a 
last resort, right? 

642
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,900
If there's some kind of medical 
condition where you do need some

643
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:51,100
kind of extra Venus thing, but 
even doctors, that prescribe it 

644
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,300
meant, I feel are they're 
misinformed as well, and they're

645
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,800
not doing their research, right?
Yeah. 

646
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,500
So it's, you got to do research,
man. 

647
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:05,000
So it's kind of awesome because 
the the community that I've been

648
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,100
flocking to, man, all the gray 
and a lot of the same. 

649
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,500
I'm principles, right? 
Lower carb diet, you know, 

650
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,100
really controlling our hormones.
Specially insulin, right? 

651
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,100
But also, you know, there's like
Ultra marathoners and Ultra 

652
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:20,400
athletes that I follow like Mark
Sisson, right? 

653
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,100
The founder of Primal kitchen 
that dude is like 57 and he's 

654
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,200
jacked naturally, right? 
But he's mastered the art of 

655
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,900
like the lower carb diet, you 
know, moderate protein, High 

656
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,500
great fats, right? 
And that's that's kind of like 

657
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,900
Man, that's that's the recipe 
right there. 

658
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,600
Those are a couple of recipes 
for Success. 

659
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,100
Right? 
And then a couple that in with 

660
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:45,800
some intermittent fasting, you 
know, getting rid of all the 

661
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,100
unprocessed stuff and that's 
that's like the planner there 

662
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:50,600
Robert. 
Yeah. 

663
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,700
Well, I know what I did like the
ketogenic diet can you know in 

664
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,800
tandem with intermittent fasting
and just simply focusing on 

665
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,200
quality wholesome, single 
ingredient foods and resistance 

666
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,800
training. 
I mean like that's like the 

667
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,300
trifecta right there for 
Fountain of Youth. 

668
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,100
I mean you get those things 
dialed in And there's no reason 

669
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,400
you can't make this a healthy 
lifestyle. 

670
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,100
In the cool thing about natural 
bodybuilding and just eating 

671
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,600
healthy in general is that you 
get better and better and better

672
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400
like body building is an old 
man's sport. 

673
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
I mean you see like these 
professional NBA players like 

674
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,600
they're all in their twenties 
like you see professional 

675
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,100
bodybuilders and they're all in 
there, you know, 30s and 40s 

676
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:29,300
like like Dexter Jackson. 
He was competing in Olympia 

677
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,800
stage at like, 50 years old, 
which is crazy, you know, but 

678
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,100
like you look at this like he's 
obviously not a natural body 

679
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,700
butter, but if you're doing 
natural bodybuilding and you're 

680
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,200
eating the right, Food and your 
resistance training, like 

681
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600
there's no reason you can't keep
getting better and better and 

682
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,800
better well into your later 
years. 

683
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,500
I mean, case in point, right? 
Our good friend, Benny Mobley. 

684
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,000
He's in his 50s, man. 
He looks amazing natural. 

685
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,500
Oh bodybuilder, you know in his 
50s and still kicking the young 

686
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,400
guys as B, you know what I mean?
So it's like if you do it the 

687
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,200
right way, man, this sport can 
be sustainable. 

688
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,100
They can be healthy and you can 
keep getting better year after 

689
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,800
year after year, right? 
And it's like, especially as you

690
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,500
home. 
Nin on your nutrition, your 

691
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,100
training, your cardio. 
It becomes just a complete 

692
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,699
lifestyle where it becomes just 
part of everyday. 

693
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:19,100
We're become simple and easy. 
And everyone just, they got to 

694
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,500
find that Groove. 
But in order to find that 

695
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:23,800
Groove, man, you need to have 
the right plan. 

696
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,699
And if you need an 
accountability and guidance from

697
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:30,300
a coach like, you know, people 
like you and I man, they need 

698
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,000
someone, navigating them through
to kind of, like, clear things 

699
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,500
up, right? 
Or just to make sure there's 

700
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,800
certain about decisions. 
They're making I feel like 

701
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,699
having the right plan having the
right coach and make it a 

702
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:43,900
lifestyle. 
You know, that's those are all 

703
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,300
recipes ingredients to be 
successful and have a really 

704
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,800
long successful bodybuilding 
career, man, kind of percent. 

705
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:52,900
I want to talk to you a little 
bit about disordered eating 

706
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,000
because you and I both have 
struggled with that and I think,

707
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,600
you know, if we're being honest,
like you said most natural. 

708
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,800
Most bodybuilders probably do 
struggle with that, both males. 

709
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,700
And females. 
I've been open with that on my 

710
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:07,000
channel and I feel like like 
what? 

711
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:10,500
Do you think the main catalyst 
for that is, do you think it's 

712
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,600
more? 
So, a result of just simply 

713
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,200
being in a very depleted, low 
cal state for quite some time, 

714
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,400
or is it more? 
So a matter of just eating, you 

715
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,100
know, terrible food because I 
think I mean correct me if I'm 

716
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,400
wrong here. 
I love to get your opinion. 

717
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,800
But I feel like the reigning 
champ from like a dieting 

718
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,400
standpoint within natural 
bodybuilding circles is probably

719
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,000
flexible dieting. 
Would you agree? 

720
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:38,200
Yes, it is the reigning champ. 
However, it is not the most 

721
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,300
optimal for health and overall 
performance. 

722
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:44,800
So, I mean, that's, I follow 
flexible dieting for a long 

723
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,700
time. 
Right? 

724
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,600
My recipe, we used to be 
flexible dieting and vegan. 

725
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,000
Right? 
Did that for a long time? 

726
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400
So I've been there done that 
guys. 

727
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,200
I've counted all the macros, you
could, you know what? 

728
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,800
I mean? 
I've done all the MyFitnessPal 

729
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,500
Journeys journal entries. 
That you could I met can go back

730
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:03,600
to when I first started 
competing, like I have journals.

731
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,300
My Fitness Pal, and there's pros
and cons to using my fitness 

732
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:09,200
pal. 
So I'm not like totally, you 

733
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,100
know, negating it. 
However, however, what I do want

734
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:16,900
to impress upon you is like the 
reason that we get into 

735
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,200
disorders, right? 
And again, this is off research 

736
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,900
and just like a lot of doctors 
that I'm working with in this 

737
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:26,500
meta, Flex Community. 
Its hormonal balance. 

738
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:31,000
Number one, number two. 
It's the ultra-processed highly 

739
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,600
palatable foods that are that 
are just available. 

740
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,800
Isabel that are abundant that 
are prevalent right number for. 

741
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,700
It's just because of those foods
that are so processed. 

742
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,100
They're putting like Polly 
addictive substances, what I 

743
00:36:44,107 --> 00:36:47,100
mean by Polly, addictive is 
they're not just putting sugar 

744
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,000
in there. 
They're putting ultra-processed 

745
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,600
flower right there, putting 
ultra-processed oil, the putting

746
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,000
preservatives that putting all 
these chemicals that the food 

747
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
industry knows that's addictive.
Because again going back to the 

748
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,100
dopamine reward center, right? 
So, Let's say we eat a bag of 

749
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:06,800
chips bag of cookies. 
Right? 

750
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,600
And we start eating those, you 
know, and next thing, you know, 

751
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,000
reading the whole damn bag, 
right? 

752
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,800
We're getting eating the whole 
damn box. 

753
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,500
The reason is because it's not 
even suppressing our it's 

754
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:19,900
messing up, our insulin levels, 
right? 

755
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:23,300
So our insulin, our blood sugar 
goes up number one, but our 

756
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:28,300
insulin level is also going up. 
And, you know, when your insulin

757
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:31,700
levels are elevated, man, that 
just starts messing up with your

758
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:37,000
hormonal functions, or Cellular 
functions and also back to kind 

759
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,800
of the neurological Pathways 
like it starts getting blocked 

760
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,000
because you want so much more of
that palatable food to the point

761
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,700
where you need more in order to 
get that reward from your 

762
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:51,100
dopamine Reward Center. 
So it's just kind of a vicious 

763
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:54,300
cycle because the fact that 
there's no fiber in those 

764
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,100
processed foods, right? 
It won't fill you up. 

765
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,800
I mean, you eat a whole box of 
cereal or chips and not get 

766
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,200
full. 
So you end up, just just eating 

767
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,700
and eating and it's so addictive
that you I stopped eating right 

768
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,700
and to the point where your 
tolerance gets built, so high 

769
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,300
man, for those processed foods 
and the junk food. 

770
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,700
That's that's how addictions 
happened. 

771
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,300
Right? 
Yes. 

772
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:19,300
That's that's all it is, man. 
It starts with hormonal. 

773
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,300
And then, you know, it starts 
messing with your psychological 

774
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,300
system, neurological system. 
And the next thing, you know, 

775
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,000
dude, you have an addiction and 
you don't even know it. 

776
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,600
It's right in front of you with 
all these foods that are 

777
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,600
available to us. 
And the reason, By the order, 

778
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,700
the disorder get started is 
because, you know, a lot of body

779
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,700
builders when they're competing 
prepping your in a restrictive. 

780
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:42,700
Diet. 
Number one, right? 

781
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,300
You can't eat this, can't eat 
that. 

782
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,000
Number two, you're in a Ultra 
like caloric deficit. 

783
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,700
So, I mean, just just even being
in a caloric deficit alone, man.

784
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:53,200
That's already a problem in 
itself. 

785
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,900
Right? 
But I've been there, I've done 

786
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:56,700
that, right? 
It's like hey, as long as your 

787
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:00,900
Macros fit, your calories will 
be in a deficit and you're going

788
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,900
to lose body fat. 
You're going to lose weight and 

789
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,700
get shredded. 
Yeah, again, that plan does it 

790
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:09,400
works time to time but there's a
certain point where your body 

791
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:15,100
comes back to homeostasis. 
So let's say my BMR, my resting 

792
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,600
metabolism, right? 
Let's 2000 calories or even 

793
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,000
3,000 calories. 
Okay. 

794
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,100
So the moment I cut down 500 
calories. 

795
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,500
And the reason why I say 500 is 
because there's the thought 

796
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:28,200
process of a to lose one pound 
of body fat per week. 

797
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:32,000
You got to lose 3,500 calories 
over the week right to lose one 

798
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,200
pound of body fat. 
So then If you do, 500 calories 

799
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,100
a day deficit, over the course 
of the week, you should lose one

800
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,800
pound of body fat. 
That only works to a certain 

801
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,600
point. 
So once your body gets gets 

802
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,200
caught up back down to 
homeostasis, homeostasis is like

803
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,100
a seesaw, right? 
Your body always bounces out. 

804
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,600
So even though you cut your 
calories down at 2500, your 

805
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,400
metabolisms only burning 2500 
and that's why when a macro 

806
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
coach I've done this myself. 
It's like a you plateaued. 

807
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:01,200
Let's decrease your calories 
even more by another 250 or 

808
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,000
another 500 and then the Thing 
happens, you lose a little bit 

809
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,800
of body fat, right? 
And then your body catches up, 

810
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,900
homeostasis, you plateau, then 
you do another reduction. 

811
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,100
I see that time and time again, 
man, from macro coaches and it's

812
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:19,200
a recipe for disaster, right? 
Because your body always equals 

813
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,400
out and then you can't keep 
cutting. 

814
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,600
You can't keep restricting 
calories all the way down to 

815
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,600
zero or else you'll have no 
energy, especially if you're 

816
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,000
eating the wrong diet, you know,
the wrong diet usually is the 

817
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,500
flexible diet, you know, that's 
high in protein. 

818
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,100
In high in carbs, low in fat. 
That's another. 

819
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,400
Guess just all these recipes for
disaster. 

820
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,100
And then there's also coaches, 
where, you know, they get their 

821
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,500
client to a point where they 
plateaued so much. 

822
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,100
They don't want to cut any more 
calories. 

823
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,600
So they are, they start adding 
more cardio right? 

824
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,400
Next thing, you know, clients 
are eating, 1000 calories, and 

825
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,900
doing two hours of cardio and 
sometimes even more. 

826
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:57,900
Obviously, I've seen some really
bad things out there. 

827
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Yeah, wait till you see how like
this? 

828
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,600
This whole situation is just 
all, like, just Confused, right.

829
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,900
The whole industry is confusing 
and not enough of the right 

830
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,500
sources of knowledge are being 
shared. 

831
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:15,400
So that's why I'm so passionate 
about this drama is because it's

832
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,700
time for a wake-up call, man 
across the industry. 

833
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,000
And we got to start promoting 
and practicing the right methods

834
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,100
that are focus on health and 
hormonal control and hormonal 

835
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,800
balance. 
That's how we get the whole Mind

836
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
Body Spirit, alignment going. 
Yeah. 

837
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,400
No, I totally agree, man. 
Like I'll manipulate calories, 

838
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000
all manipulate macros. 
I'm doing a competition prep, 

839
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,300
even following a ketogenic diet.
I mean, I feel like you need to 

840
00:41:37,308 --> 00:41:39,500
be like you're going to optimize
fat burning. 

841
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,600
If in a caloric deficit, you're 
going to optimize muscle 

842
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,900
building if in a caloric 
Surplus, but the composition of 

843
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,100
those macros and calories is 
incredibly important. 

844
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,300
And I feel like in the, like I 
don't want to, I don't want to 

845
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:53,300
paint the flexible dining. 
If It Fits your Macros Community

846
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:57,500
as a whole into the corner, but 
I think in large part, they 

847
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:03,300
glorify being able to eat like 
drop, they glorified Minnie. 

848
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:05,300
Oh, dear. 
Food and look good naked. 

849
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,200
Like that's not all of them do 
that. 

850
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,800
I mean, there's certainly a lot 
of people that eat very healthy.

851
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,700
Following a flexible dining 
approach and you know to them 

852
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,200
this is not directed towards 
them, but it's it's it's sexy to

853
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,700
post your six pack, abs with a 
big plate full of doughnuts in 

854
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:22,600
front of you and say, hey, look 
at me. 

855
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,500
I'm flexible dying and I'm 
eating whatever I want. 

856
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,800
I look like this and that is 
just the wrong messaging through

857
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,900
and through. 
And I feel like the same is true

858
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:33,900
in in kind of the Opposites 
space with with He do. 

859
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,400
Because there's, there's 
certainly a group of, you know, 

860
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,500
dirty keto, dieters that eat 
terrible food. 

861
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,800
That is technically Quito from a
macro standpoint, but it's 

862
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,800
certainly not what should be 
optimized. 

863
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,300
However, I feel like what is 
quote, unquote sexy within the 

864
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,700
keto space, you know, all in all
is trying to return to more of 

865
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,400
a. 
You know, what, we used to eat 

866
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,100
from A Primitive standpoint, you
know, wholesome single 

867
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,600
ingredient Foods, quality meets 
quality fats, quality greens 

868
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,500
like that is the general 
narrative with the ketogenic 

869
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,000
diet in my opinion. 
My perspective, where's the 

870
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,500
general, you know, talk and 
narrative within the flexible 

871
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:11,100
that If It Fits your Macros 
Community, is being able to eat 

872
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,000
junk food and look good. 
And to me, I feel like that's 

873
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,100
just the wrong message through 
and through. 

874
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:18,500
Yeah, I mean, bro, been there 
done that right. 

875
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,500
I was one of those guys and it's
just it's it's again, it's 

876
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:25,500
misinformation and it's it's 
adding to the propaganda of 

877
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:29,600
like, hey, you know, eat these 
junk foods and stay stay lean. 

878
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,500
Stay flexible As Long As It, 
Fits your Macros, whatever, but 

879
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:35,200
you can't tell That to the 
general public, right? 

880
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,300
The general public is they're 
not doing all the cardio. 

881
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,800
That bodybuilders you are doing 
right there. 

882
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Not doing all the weight 
training that body builders that

883
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,200
are prepping are doing. 
So it's like it's so misleading 

884
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,700
man, and I'm guilty of it. 
Right? 

885
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,900
I'm guilty guilty, as charged. 
I used to do that and it just, 

886
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:55,000
it didn't promote Health. 
It's like, why are we like 

887
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,700
glorifying? 
Junk Foods, you know I'm saying?

888
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:01,500
And yeah, again, it goes back to
you may have the Aesthetics, but

889
00:44:01,508 --> 00:44:05,200
are you healthy from the inside?
Our yourself healthy is your 

890
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,900
hormones, are your hormones 
healthy is their gut healthy. 

891
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,600
It's a brain healthy. 
I mean, the the guys that are 

892
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,100
case in point me. 
I supposed that stuff. 

893
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:17,700
Not even thinking about health, 
dude is just like a I eat junk 

894
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:19,400
food. 
I eat this ice cream right here.

895
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,300
He's this pizza right here and 
look how I look like. 

896
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,900
Yeah, it was crazy. 
I used to be crazy. 

897
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:27,300
Right? 
So I hate calling it out, but 

898
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:29,100
I've been there done that so I 
can call myself. 

899
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:30,800
I'm calling myself out. 
You know I'm saying. 

900
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,900
Yeah, and I feel like, you know,
at the end of day. 

901
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,200
The the whole messaging needs to
change and a lot of people and 

902
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,400
I've made this argument that the
best that is the one that is 

903
00:44:39,408 --> 00:44:42,300
most sustainable for you. 
And that's that's true. 

904
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:46,300
I believe that but I think that 
sentence needs to be completed. 

905
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,700
It's not just simply the best. 
Is the one that needs to be the 

906
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:50,500
most sustainable for you, but 
it's the best. 

907
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,500
That's the one that's the most 
suitable for you and also 

908
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,900
contributes to your overall 
health and well-being. 

909
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,500
And that's not going to come in 
the form of ultra highly 

910
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:01,200
processed sugars and junk food. 
And, you know, no thought 

911
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,400
towards the sourcing of those 
ingredients. 

912
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:07,600
Absolutely, and I love how we're
talking about this, man, because

913
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,000
I feel like when there is a 
movement, right? 

914
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:14,400
That move, may it gets it gets 
money tires, or it gets 

915
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,200
attempted to be monetized. 
What I mean by that is like like

916
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,900
he do, right? 
Kido was sexy. 

917
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:21,500
What? 
Like the height of Quito. 

918
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:22,400
What would you say? 
What year? 

919
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,300
Robert 2018, I would think. 
2018? 

920
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,600
Right. 
Was one of the most Google diets

921
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,800
on Google right kiddos. 
I think number one. 

922
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Paleo, and then intermittent 
fasting, those were the top. 

923
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:38,400
Three Google diets on the 
internet, back in 20 2018 2019. 

924
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:42,600
But yeah, once once the industry
like sees that like, oh, there's

925
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,900
this whole keto Revolution paleo
Revolution, they start trying to

926
00:45:45,908 --> 00:45:49,200
monetize it and guess what, how 
they monetize by selling us 

927
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,100
processed crap that says keto, 
friendly paleo friendly. 

928
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,800
You know what I mean? 
Atkins friendly, it's crazy to 

929
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,900
me. 
And that's, that's how like a 

930
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:02,800
movement kind of gets slow down,
or squash is because miss that, 

931
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
that starts It's misinformation,
right? 

932
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,900
That's starts kind of this 
propagation of processed foods 

933
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,900
that we shouldn't, you know, go 
eat. 

934
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,700
But it's like, if people can 
stick to the principles of like 

935
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:18,900
either keto, paleo cut out the 
process stuff. 

936
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:21,100
Those diets will work. 
You know I'm saying. 

937
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Yeah, but good, common 
denominator. 

938
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,300
There is cutting out the process
stuff. 

939
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:28,700
So whether you are eating kind 
of closer to the Paleolithic 

940
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:31,500
diet, whether you are on the 
keto, whether you are a vegan 

941
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,500
vegetarian, whatever man, as 
long as, Cut out the process 

942
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,300
crap and sugars, dude. 
It's going to work for you. 

943
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:38,700
Right? 
And that's that's how we sustain

944
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,600
that type of diet is because we 
get rid of all the addictive 

945
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,600
stuff in the form of sugar 
processed oils preservatives and

946
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,100
our mind stay clean and we can 
make the right decisions and you

947
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:53,900
know, give our hormones, the 
balance and health that it needs

948
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:56,900
to just eat regular natural 
foods. 

949
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:58,700
And so How likely that both 
have? 

950
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,800
I say that and both of us have 
our own product line like you've

951
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,100
got a supplement line, 
technically all of your A are 

952
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:05,700
processed. 
Mikey do bricks are all 

953
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:09,700
processes technically everything
that has any any human touch to 

954
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,900
it at all is technically 
processed, but I think both 

955
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:15,600
yours and my products are high 
quality products with minimal 

956
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,100
processing and I feel like you 
know the at the end of the day 

957
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:22,200
people should always prioritize 
single ingredient wholesome 

958
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:26,400
natural quality sourced foods, 
and then whatever minimal 

959
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,700
process stuff you add to that to
make it more sustainable for you

960
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:32,700
great, but it should never be 
coming from this hyper 

961
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:35,700
palatable. 
Source that you cannot moderate 

962
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:37,300
at all. 
Absolutely. 

963
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,400
And man, first of all, 
congratulations on keto break 

964
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,500
for the they're delicious, you 
know, by understanding the 

965
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:46,700
science. 
I know why you put it together, 

966
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:50,600
right? 
And again, we don't want to be 

967
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,500
too extreme where we say. 
Hey be 100% no processed foods 

968
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:57,700
because hey life is still life, 
you know, some days, we need 

969
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:00,900
that convenience, you know, 
we're on the run and we got to 

970
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:04,300
eat, you know, saying. 
So the fact that At your kind of

971
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,900
bringing something to the market
that you know can fill that void

972
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:09,700
when it's when you got that Gap 
right? 

973
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:13,000
Of food, and that's why I came 
out with my protein as well as 

974
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:15,400
these are minimally processed 
products. 

975
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,800
But based on the research, 
right? 

976
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,500
I'm going to go back to science 
again. 

977
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,700
Like the why I love the keto 
brick is it doesn't spike your 

978
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:25,700
blood sugar as high as like the 
ones that if there were an on 

979
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:29,400
keto product, right? 
So again, blood sugar leads to 

980
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,300
lower insulin rise, and that's 
one of the most critical 

981
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:37,500
hormones to Health, right. 
So kudos to you, mikito break is

982
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,600
freaking amazing. 
I'm starting to take it now 

983
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,700
like, you know, when I need kind
of that convenience, but I'll 

984
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:47,500
also love it as a dessert, bro. 
I love it as a dessert and I 

985
00:48:47,508 --> 00:48:50,000
love it as one of the things 
that I ate to break my fast, 

986
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,700
because it doesn't Spike my 
insulin too high, right? 

987
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,800
And same thing with my vegan 
protein. 

988
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:58,800
The reason why I do vegan 
protein versus whey protein, is 

989
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,000
it doesn't spike. 
Your insulin is high, the amino 

990
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,100
acid profiles. 
That's what spikes your Your 

991
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:07,400
insulin level high. 
So, my vegan protein doesn't 

992
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,900
have as much carbs. 
So the blood sugar is as high, 

993
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:13,500
but protein also spikes your 
insulin, but the fact that it's 

994
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,500
plant-based. 
It doesn't spike your insulin, 

995
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,400
as as high as a way based 
product. 

996
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,000
Do you test your blood sugar 
quite a bit? 

997
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,500
Actually, I don't man, and this 
is kind of one of my New Year's 

998
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,800
resolutions is to like, you 
know, understand my blood work. 

999
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,600
And I mean, gosh, broke the last
time we talked, I didn't know 

1000
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,500
what to CGM was, you know what I
mean? 

1001
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,900
It's like now I know all these 
terms and I know more about my 

1002
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,100
body now inside and outside, 
right? 

1003
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:41,600
Like even have a body scanner 
right here. 

1004
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,600
I know how to read the thing. 
Now, right? 

1005
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,300
I know what excess proteins 
means, you know, like I know by 

1006
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:49,100
having minerals in your body 
needs, you know, I know what's 

1007
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:51,400
counted as lean body mass, 
right? 

1008
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,400
It's just it's Evolution and us 
like really educating ourselves 

1009
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,600
men to be our best. 
So then we can be healthy. 

1010
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,400
We could perform well and keep a
dope physique man. 

1011
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,900
Year-round, so, Dude, I'm 
ecstatic men because of just 

1012
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:10,700
this newfound knowledge and me 
applying it myself. 

1013
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,000
It's giving me this new found 
energy. 

1014
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,000
I mean bro, whatever you say to 
me tired before been since we've

1015
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,400
recently connected like my 
energy level, just stays high do

1016
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,800
throughout the day and people 
are like, what are you taking? 

1017
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:25,800
I'm like man. 
I'm taking the pill of food. 

1018
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:26,500
You know what? 
I mean? 

1019
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,400
It's actually, I was actually on
a phone call this morning with a

1020
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,000
buddy of mine who I haven't 
spoken with in a while, and I'm 

1021
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,300
talking about Energy and how so 
many people go through life with

1022
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,900
this, like, dull drab Outlook, 
because they don't like their in

1023
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,000
careers. 
They don't like, they're on the 

1024
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,400
rocks of relationships. 
Their health is in the tank. 

1025
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,500
I mean, it's just nothing's 
good. 

1026
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:51,100
Nothing's optimized. 
And for me, I noticed this 

1027
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,600
massive spike in energy once I 
figured my died out and fix 

1028
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,900
them, adopted a wolf, or 
medicated drink diet, and also, 

1029
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,500
once I started seeing some 
momentum with the business and 

1030
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:04,700
was just pouring myself. 
Elf into something that I was 

1031
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:07,200
incredibly passionate about day 
in and day out. 

1032
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,300
Those two things were the 
Catalyst that gave me like this,

1033
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:14,000
like this level of energy that I
can only describe as, like, some

1034
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
type of euphoric high, but we 
would, I haven't talked to you 

1035
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,600
much Beyond these these past few
conversations since, you know, 

1036
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,900
back 2017, but I can sense that 
energy that you're exuding and 

1037
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,500
like like that, right? 
That right there alone is enough

1038
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:29,600
evidence for me to feel 
confident that whatever you're 

1039
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,400
doing is good for you. 
So keep doing it. 

1040
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,800
Yeah. 
I mean that's Right. 

1041
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,300
Going back to the science row. 
So we get mental Clarity. 

1042
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,900
When we're not eating and we're 
eating a low carb diet, you know

1043
00:51:40,908 --> 00:51:43,300
what I mean? 
So, because our insulin level is

1044
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,700
low, man. 
It just opens up the just the 

1045
00:51:45,707 --> 00:51:47,600
brain functions. 
Like, your mental Clarity. 

1046
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,500
Enhances, like right now been 
fasting long enough where I'm in

1047
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:53,700
ketosis right now as we speak, 
right? 

1048
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,500
And because my carbohydrate 
intake is so low, like, even if 

1049
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:00,700
I do, ingest carbs in that 
kicking my fasting, I can get 

1050
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,600
back into ketosis, but then 12 
the An hour's, right? 

1051
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,800
So that's that's why when people
see me like my energy levels 

1052
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,400
rise throughout the day. 
It's because I'm just going in 

1053
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,400
full keto. 
I'm using all kind of Quito 

1054
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,000
ketones to feel my brain and 
everybody's scared of like hey 

1055
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,700
when you're fasting that long, 
like don't you get tired? 

1056
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:20,300
Like aren't you gonna lose 
muscle mass? 

1057
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,100
Aren't you starving? 
Aren't you hungry? 

1058
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,800
It's the opposite. 
It's opposite of that man. 

1059
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:29,900
And gosh do we could go a whole 
like bunny trail, Robert on, 

1060
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,100
kind of the benefits, man, like 
every stage of fasting, you 

1061
00:52:33,107 --> 00:52:39,900
know, like, Get 12 hours, 16, 
18, 24, 48, you know, 72 the 

1062
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:43,200
longest I've ever gone is five 
and a half and I don't think 

1063
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,000
five-and-a-half like five and 
half days. 

1064
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,000
I don't think that's optimal 
from like a muscle building 

1065
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,700
standpoint. 
However, like my mental 

1066
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:54,100
cognition at a five-day fast is 
like freaking on cloud, nine 

1067
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,300
man, like my memory recall, my 
word play. 

1068
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:00,000
I mean, everything is just much 
much higher and much, much more 

1069
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,100
heightened, rather. 
And that's that's the that's the

1070
00:53:02,107 --> 00:53:03,400
thing, right? 
I'm talking fast. 

1071
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:07,500
Sir, but yet every word is being
articulated, very clearly, and 

1072
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,100
when you have mental fog, man, 
you don't have that same 

1073
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:12,100
Clarity, you know, you don't 
have that same intellectual 

1074
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:15,900
capacity and, you know, I've 
just launched like a few 

1075
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:18,300
businesses as of late, right? 
So, I'm doing a lot of reading 

1076
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,200
doing a lot of research. 
And what I'm finding out, man, 

1077
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,400
is just, just like my 
intellectual mental capacity, so

1078
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,600
clear. 
I can like just digest 

1079
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,000
information, I can regurgitate 
it. 

1080
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,900
But then also with scary like 
scary good is, I can articulate 

1081
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:35,600
it back to anybody. 
So it's like now I'm looking at 

1082
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,400
clinical studies and like 
medical research, some like just

1083
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,200
consuming the hell out of it. 
I can spit it back out and even 

1084
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,800
explain it in a more, layman's 
term where it makes sense. 

1085
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,800
To the person. 
I'm trying to talk to about. 

1086
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,600
So I love that euphoric feeling 
of the longer fast, but in order

1087
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,200
to maximize that growth hormone,
right? 

1088
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,600
I want to touch on that for a 
little bit. 

1089
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,800
We can Elevate our growth 
hormones naturally and that 

1090
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,400
starts like at like 36 hours, 48
hours of fasting. 

1091
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,400
And sometimes I get it just 
things like how to optimize your

1092
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,200
body is even sometimes it starts
at 24 hours then. 

1093
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,200
So if you ever, I'm going to 
challenge everyone. 

1094
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,900
Listening to us watching us 
once. 

1095
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:14,800
Once he gets killed, don't do 
this right away. 

1096
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,000
If you haven't been fasting or 
eating, you know, unprocessed 

1097
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,200
Foods, right? 
And excuse me, like clean Foods.

1098
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:24,400
Don't try this right away. 
But if once you get to a point 

1099
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,000
where you're skipping breakfast,
you know, skipping lunch and try

1100
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,500
skipping dinner, you know, do a 
24-hour fast and then do a 

1101
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:34,400
workout in a fasted state. 
See how you feel. 

1102
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:35,800
That's number one and see how 
you feel. 

1103
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,900
But number two, because you've 
been fasting that long, your 

1104
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:42,800
natural adrenaline levels go up.
So you get Natural Energy, like 

1105
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,300
you don't need caffeine. 
You don't need a pre-workout to 

1106
00:54:45,308 --> 00:54:49,100
get you going right? 
And then after 48 Hours, men, 

1107
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,700
your HGH levels are naturally 
just elevated. 

1108
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:54,300
So imagine you go on a 2-day 
fast. 

1109
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:56,600
You have a killer workout. 
And then once you do finally 

1110
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,500
eat, what's, that's going to, 
that's what that does to your 

1111
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,200
body. 
Really, just go in and full like

1112
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,000
metabolism. 
You're going to building. 

1113
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,200
Airing because one of our 
anabolic mode, man, we're just, 

1114
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,500
you know, we're breaking down 
and like even when working out 

1115
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:12,100
we're breaking down or tissue 
other way, but what if a Sandbox

1116
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:13,900
building up catabolic turned 
down? 

1117
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,300
But man, I barely like it's I'm 
more like I love catabolic now. 

1118
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:21,800
Where does the anabolic actually
I love them both. 

1119
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,100
You just got to know how to 
manipulate the 20. 

1120
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,000
That's why. 
My first instinct is always to 

1121
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,700
say catabolism. 
Now in the fastings weird main 

1122
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,300
like it's cool because there's 
like from a from a bodybuilding 

1123
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:35,100
background like you and I both 
man. 

1124
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:37,200
We were always just told, you 
know, like if you don't have 

1125
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,100
your meal within an hour of that
muscle protein synthesis of 

1126
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,700
training that that workout was 
for not, you know, is wasted 

1127
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:46,100
and, you know, I've gone like I 
said, Five and a half days, 

1128
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:49,600
having not eaten anything train 
that whole time, hit PR's during

1129
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,000
that five and a half day window.
And not that I'm recommending 

1130
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,600
that for optimizing bodybuilding
by any means, but it's just cool

1131
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,400
to do things that you previously
thought freaking impossible. 

1132
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,800
And then excelling at, it just 
really opens your mind to a 

1133
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,500
whole world of possibilities 
that you didn't ever think would

1134
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:08,100
be imaginable. 
Yeah. 

1135
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,400
Absolutely, man. 
And that's the thing. 

1136
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,700
Right? 
So, like, some people see me at 

1137
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:15,100
the gym after like, a 2448 hour 
fast and I'm working out. 

1138
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,700
And it's like, dude, you're 
killing the weights. 

1139
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,200
And that pump is insane. 
So it's like again, man, the 

1140
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,600
more people do the research, the
more people do it themselves. 

1141
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,500
They'll really believe what you 
and I are talking about and once

1142
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:29,800
you feel it, you'll believe it. 
But you got to go through the 

1143
00:56:29,808 --> 00:56:32,600
experience. 
And like you said, man, we don't

1144
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,300
recommend like these prolong 
fast like that often, maybe once

1145
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:39,800
a month every other month, once 
a quarter, but at least man, 

1146
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,900
like, even just getting a 
one-day fast right? 

1147
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,000
Whether it's like a 20 hour fast
and having I mean with day, 

1148
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:49,300
maybe once a week, like the 
effects that you get from that 

1149
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:53,200
one prolonged or intermittent 
fasting day, will last you five 

1150
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,800
even up to 10 days, the benefits
that you're getting from that 

1151
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,800
from the kind of the hormonal, 
reset a top veggies, like 

1152
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,200
another like subject that we 
could talk for hours on and at 

1153
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,000
apogee, is like what it means in
Greek is your body's eating 

1154
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,400
itself, right? 
So it means your old cells and 

1155
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,100
your mitochondria, because even 
go to my table for G, where 

1156
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:16,000
you're getting new, mitochondria
to power, the Cells, right? 

1157
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,300
So it's almost like a way to 
clean out your oil if you will 

1158
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,100
by doing at least a 18 20 hour 
fast once a week. 

1159
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,400
I mean, that's how hard is that 
meant to kind of help reset your

1160
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,100
body and optimize, you know, 
cellular repair and 

1161
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:33,600
Rejuvenation, right? 
Yeah, it gives you more 

1162
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,100
perspective to, man, like that. 
Like I feel like, the my level 

1163
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:40,600
of productivity in life is 
heightened exponentially. 

1164
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,900
When I'm not constantly thinking
about food and most people, 

1165
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:46,600
especially if they're not fat. 
Captain are always thinking 

1166
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,100
about food, they have breakfast.
They have snacks. 

1167
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,800
They have lunch. 
They have another snack and they

1168
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,200
have dinner, didn't have snack 
before bed. 

1169
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,800
They're constantly eating and 
then thinking about their next 

1170
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,500
meal and their level of 
productivity from like a career 

1171
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:00,400
standpoint from a relational 
standpoint. 

1172
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:02,700
Like if you're just constantly 
fixating on food. 

1173
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,000
What else is there in time form 
left? 

1174
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,100
Like when you remove that and 
you have this increased sense 

1175
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:11,200
of, you know, mental capacity 
because that bandwidth is not 

1176
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,700
getting sucked up by what your 
next meal is going to be your 

1177
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:17,300
level of productivity. 
Oops, drastically, absolutely, 

1178
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:21,000
man, because I feel like there's
a common trait, man with a lot 

1179
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,300
of like, high performers that 
you and I right. 

1180
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,900
It's because our mind is so 
sharp, man, and we can just were

1181
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:30,400
so productive because we're free
and clear, like those 

1182
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000
addictions. 
And like the pathways that are, 

1183
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,400
you know, the things that are 
blocking our mental Pathways. 

1184
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,000
There's a guru that I listen to 
Indian Guru from India. 

1185
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,200
He gets flown to everywhere, 
like, Yale Harvard, he's done 

1186
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,000
TED talks. 
And what do you say? 

1187
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:49,000
Is a lot of us are spending most
of our lives in maintenance 

1188
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,600
mode. 
What he means by that is, we're 

1189
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,500
constantly eating to maintain 
and we're sleep. 

1190
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,500
We're having to sleep a lot 
longer just to maintain, right? 

1191
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:01,000
So it's like you're spending 
half of your waking day half of 

1192
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,900
your waking or half of your 
life, you know, sleeping or 

1193
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:07,300
eating. 
So it's like we got to start 

1194
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:09,700
breaking those Habits Like It's 
you got it. 

1195
00:59:09,707 --> 00:59:11,500
You have to get adequate sleep, 
do number one. 

1196
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:14,500
But if we're constantly thinking
about food and always like 

1197
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,700
preparing. 
And food and eating food and 

1198
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:18,900
like thinking about that, it 
just it messes up with your 

1199
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:22,100
productivity man. 
But again, like look at the 

1200
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,500
foods that are available though,
right? 

1201
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:27,800
So if someone can't cook 
multiple times a day, what are 

1202
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,500
they resorting to for snacks? 
Probably something processed or 

1203
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,700
probably something that will 
raise their insulin level, you 

1204
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:37,400
know, that will throw off their 
hormonal balance, right? 

1205
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:41,900
But yeah, maybe I think it's 
that's a common trait that high 

1206
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:44,600
performers have is like, we're 
not constantly. 

1207
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,800
Thinking about food bogged down 
by my food, like meal prepping. 

1208
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,200
That kind of stuff like we're 
liberated from that. 

1209
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,300
Yeah. 
I mean, I two meals a day and if

1210
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,200
I'm a cal are lower like in a 
prep, I typically do one meal a 

1211
00:59:56,207 --> 01:00:00,400
day and it's weird because you 
know, most bodybuilders. 

1212
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,800
Do these super high volume 
Foods. 

1213
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,700
Lots of, you know, Miracle, 
Ryan's lots of big salad, 

1214
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:09,900
something with low calorie 
density but high volume foods, 

1215
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,600
and I found that to be less 
satiating than simply one, you 

1216
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,900
know. 
Nutrient dense meal a day 

1217
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:20,800
because my fasting window was 
improved and then the absorption

1218
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,900
of those nutrients in that more 
nutrient dense, meal was 

1219
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:25,900
heightened, everything was 
better and then I wasn't 

1220
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:27,900
constantly thinking about food 
throughout the day because it 

1221
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:30,600
was like a one-and-done kind of 
deal and my productivity 

1222
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,800
improved on my mental Clarity 
site and everything was better. 

1223
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,900
But that is so far removed from 
what anybody but recommends, you

1224
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:40,700
know, one single meal a day like
that, that's unheard of in the 

1225
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:42,500
bodybuilding Community, but I 
found that to be the best. 

1226
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:46,600
For me, it sounds so anti. 
It is what we're saying. 

1227
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,700
Robert. 
It's very anti the industry, 

1228
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:51,600
right? 
Like back to the eating four to 

1229
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,200
eight times a day man. 
Like yeah, we got breakfast 

1230
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,500
lunch dinner. 
We got mid-morning, snack 

1231
01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:59,900
afternoon, snack, pre-workout 
post-workout, and then you get 

1232
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:03,300
like a bedtime snack, Ryan, some
guys even wake up in the middle 

1233
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:05,400
of night to you both. 
I didn't set my alarm for 

1234
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,500
midnight every night. 
I don't one of those 300 Cal 

1235
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,200
bars, been there, done that, 
right? 

1236
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,600
So it's not like we're dogging 
kind of industry like we're you 

1237
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,200
and I've been I've been there 
done that, so that's always go 

1238
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,500
back to the science. 
Right? 

1239
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:22,100
Because my mission is to educate
people on why these things that 

1240
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:25,200
are experiencing why they're 
feeling that way, why they're 

1241
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,600
looking that way. 
So somebody that's eating four 

1242
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,800
to eight times a day. 
So imagine my arm is a gate, 

1243
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,200
right? 
When we're eating a lot of foods

1244
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,800
throughout the day, our blood 
sugar raises or insulin level 

1245
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,800
raises at the same time, right? 
So for eating four to eight 

1246
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,500
times a day for our insulin 
level stays elevated throughout 

1247
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:46,100
the day, we will never give it 
enough a It's for our insulin 

1248
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:48,900
level to come back. 
So, if this is a gate, right? 

1249
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,800
And this is a body fat right 
here behind the gate, if your 

1250
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,300
insulin level stays High 
elevated throughout the day, 

1251
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,900
your body can never use this 
body fat for energy. 

1252
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:00,000
So the name of the game, that's 
why you. 

1253
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,500
And I only eat one or two meals 
a day. 

1254
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,700
Sometimes is we want to get our 
insulin level low. 

1255
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,400
So our bodies can be able to 
access this body fat for energy.

1256
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:10,400
I mean we have body fat for a 
reason, right? 

1257
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,900
It's just store energy when we 
need it. 

1258
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:16,400
When we're not eating but you 
cannot Only access that body fat

1259
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,600
when the gate is open. 
How do we open the gate by 

1260
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,000
lowering our insulin levels as 
much as we can? 

1261
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,000
So that's that's kind of a the 
magic trick man. 

1262
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:31,500
If someone can learn a way of 
nutrition and timing their 

1263
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:34,400
nutrition, right? 
And getting the right, you know,

1264
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,900
Foods in their body. 
You can manipulate that most 

1265
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:39,800
critical hormone for health Mana
which is which is insulin, 

1266
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,800
right? 
We got to become good at fat 

1267
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,600
burning, right? 
But also for do in just a little

1268
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,900
bit of Like it won't throw off 
our body because we're just 

1269
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:50,600
going to metabolize so quick 
because we were we become meta 

1270
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,700
Flex metabolic flexible. 
So, I think there's a lot of 

1271
01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:57,400
there's a lot of debate right 
now and then dining circles 

1272
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,700
around is the carbohydrate 
insulin model of obesity, the 

1273
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:05,200
key or is it more so the energy 
balance calories in calories 

1274
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,200
out? 
And I've always said, why does 

1275
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,600
it have to be one of the other? 
Like take all those into 

1276
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,400
consideration optimized for 
each? 

1277
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,000
One have a diet. 
That is very low in processed. 

1278
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:17,300
Girls that are going to cause, 
you know, your regular insulin 

1279
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:20,600
levels eat at a appropriate, 
caloric intake, based off your 

1280
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,900
goals optimized for all of those
factors and your performance and

1281
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:26,900
everything will improve as well.
Like, it doesn't have to be this

1282
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:31,200
mutually exclusive or deal and 
that's why I say ich everything,

1283
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,600
right? 
Because I'm like applying 

1284
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,600
principles of all these 
different paradigms, men all 

1285
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,200
into one and if you have that 
flexibility, but you can go back

1286
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,600
and forth. 
You know, I'm saying, like 

1287
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:43,800
there's days where I do go full 
on keto, I have zero carbs at 

1288
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,300
all, and I'm just going Straight
off of fats, little bit of 

1289
01:03:46,308 --> 01:03:49,500
protein, you know, there's some 
days where I eat like a caveman 

1290
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:52,300
like a Paleo caveman where, you 
know, if I do got to eat some 

1291
01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:56,200
kind of carbohydrate. 
I'm sticking to the non process,

1292
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:59,100
you know, things that you're 
finding in nature, you know, so 

1293
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:03,600
it's like if we get too extreme 
and on one Paradigm of the other

1294
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,300
that's when things really start,
you know, getting difficult for 

1295
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:10,100
ourselves because if something 
in Life or the day throws at you

1296
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,900
that is against or you don't 
have the the strategy or 

1297
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:15,200
principal to cope with that. 
That's when people Get in 

1298
01:04:15,207 --> 01:04:16,200
trouble. 
And that's how these. 

1299
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,500
I feel like these disorders 
start happening is because you 

1300
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:22,100
don't have the right Tools in 
place given for that certain 

1301
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,400
situation to cope with it to 
handle it. 

1302
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:27,400
Yeah, totally Green Man. 
And I think, you know, it kind 

1303
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,400
of like that aspect of it 
definitely does full circle and 

1304
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,000
goes back to the same 
sustainability factor and I feel

1305
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,700
like people just need to get 
excited about the right things 

1306
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:38,800
when it comes to finding a diet 
that is sustainable. 

1307
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,100
Like so many people look towards
excitement in, you know, these, 

1308
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:46,000
these foods that offer. 
Nourishment whatsoever. 

1309
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,900
But when you're excited about 
being healthy for the Long Haul,

1310
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:51,500
so that you're around to play 
with your grandkids. 

1311
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,600
You know, that, that's that. 
Yeah, great kid. 

1312
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,500
Great grandkids. 
That's what you need to be more 

1313
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:59,500
excited about when one that 
excitement exceeds that 

1314
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:03,700
temporary high from that pint of
ice cream or Mega Doritos, then 

1315
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,800
you know, you're onto something 
exactly. 

1316
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,300
And the thing is that if you 
cleanse your body, right and 

1317
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:13,100
you're doing a lower carb diet, 
you're doing fasting. 

1318
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:18,100
And I even hate say thank the 
word fasting is even like kind 

1319
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,500
of weird to me now, right? 
It's just strategically timing, 

1320
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:24,100
you're eating that sounds way 
better than fasting, right being

1321
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,300
strategic, about how you feel 
your body. 

1322
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,600
That sounds way better than 
fasting. 

1323
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,700
Yeah, because you know, you 
don't want to promote under 

1324
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:31,600
eating either because like 
people chronically under eat. 

1325
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:33,900
Exactly. 
And again, like someone will 

1326
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:36,800
take that without doing like the
research and knowledge and 

1327
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,100
having the context and put 
themselves in a bad situation. 

1328
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:42,500
Next thing, you know, they're 
dogging on fasting, you know, I 

1329
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:45,300
mean for their doubting you Kito
because they don't really 

1330
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:49,700
understand the full benefits or 
like how to really apply it to 

1331
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:53,200
themselves to keep their health,
you know optimize right? 

1332
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,300
It's crazy man. 
It is it is ma'am. 

1333
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:58,300
He's here and talk all day long,
but I want to be respectful of 

1334
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:00,400
your time. 
I know you got a whole bunch of 

1335
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,700
things in the pipeline. 
What are you excited about? 

1336
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:03,900
Like, you want, you want to 
share some of that? 

1337
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:07,100
Has it all under wraps right 
now, dude, I'm excited, man. 

1338
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,600
My people can find me on 
Instagram, just Flex the floor 

1339
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,200
exes. 
We got a supplement company Mana

1340
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,400
made dot life, go check that 
out. 

1341
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,700
And I'm excited about the 
partnership that you and I are 

1342
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:22,200
about to Embark in man. 
Like, you know, brick is 

1343
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:22,900
awesome. 
Dude. 

1344
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:26,400
Like, I feel like we 
collectively have an awesome 

1345
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,200
audience together. 
So I'm excited about just making

1346
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,600
more content, Robert, and 
sharing my story, my Evolution 

1347
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,600
and just just messaging things 
in a different way. 

1348
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,500
That's more approachable. 
I feel like sometimes when we 

1349
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:43,600
preach something to extreme and 
people just tune out and next 

1350
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,600
thing, you know, we can't help 
that person because we were too 

1351
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,000
extreme with our approach. 
So I think content is King, man,

1352
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,700
and I'm, I got a bunch of things
to plan to just drop more 

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01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,000
content. 
I have my own mobile app. 

1354
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,000
Now that I'm coaching through. 
That's pretty exciting, nice. 

1355
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,200
And man. 
It's like look out, you know, 

1356
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,100
like, we're here to start this 
movement. 

1357
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,100
We're here to start this 
movement and get everyone 

1358
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:10,700
health. 
He and back to, like, habits 

1359
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:13,000
that that are effective. 
But at the same time, 

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,300
sustainable and healthy, I'm 
going to keep moaning. 

1361
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:18,000
Help. 
Keep promoting Health, man. 

1362
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,400
I love it, man. 
Well, I mean, shoot, I'm here in

1363
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,500
your corner, anytime. 
You need me. 

1364
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:23,200
I'd love to get you out here to 
the compound. 

1365
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,900
Don't work out with you grill, 
some steaks with you and and see

1366
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:28,400
what kind of content we can Brew
up, man. 

1367
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,900
Oh shit. 
Let me end up with food, man. 

1368
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:32,600
You know, me. 
I'm a foodie of it. 

1369
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,800
And this is this is why I like 
I'm always smiling all the time 

1370
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,900
again, man, like, since I Eating
meat again, right? 

1371
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:43,700
I just been eating the most 
delicious foods. 

1372
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:46,200
Robert. 
Like I used to eat like a flank 

1373
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:51,600
steaks, you know, the lean like 
97 0, you know, fat ground beef.

1374
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,900
You know, what? 
Now? 

1375
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:56,800
I'm eating the healthiest, 
freaking fatty steaks, bro, but 

1376
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,100
I'm going to caveat that with 
get the highest quality, right? 

1377
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:03,600
Get the grass-fed inish. 
Grass-finished organic. 

1378
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,500
And bro. 
I'm eating like Tomahawk steaks 

1379
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:08,000
on the daily. 
This isn't just special 

1380
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,400
occasions. 
No more, right? 

1381
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:13,300
Like two, three times a week 
from eating ribeye, steaks, New 

1382
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:17,200
York, steaks, my favorite, our 
rib eyes, you know, excuse me, 

1383
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:22,899
like beef, ribs. 
Call before ribs oxtail and 

1384
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:26,200
coupled with like, vegetables, 
and like the right oils. 

1385
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,899
And right fat, man. 
It's game over, bro. 

1386
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:30,800
Now. 
I'm like, I got to share that 

1387
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,700
video where I'm cooking the 
Tomahawk Steak, like, in 

1388
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:36,200
grass-fed ghee. 
I'm melting the butter. 

1389
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,700
I'm basting the rib eye. 
You know, insane. 

1390
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:42,700
It's like that is so much more 
delicious than just grilling a 

1391
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:44,700
flank steak. 
I don't know. 

1392
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:47,100
Actually, it's pretty close. 
It's a pretty close battle 

1393
01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:51,500
between that versus a rice cake 
and a Pop-Tart, you know, really

1394
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:57,100
sure which one's gonna get the 
win here and I gotta say that 

1395
01:08:57,100 --> 01:09:00,600
picture that I'm eating. 
I finished that big-ass Tomahawk

1396
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Steak in my abs were so deep 
still, bro, like back in the day

1397
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,000
when I used to do the high carb 
high protein. 

1398
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,700
I just get so bloated. 
After I eat like a meal that 

1399
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:13,899
big, right? 
And my face would get all puffy.

1400
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,500
And now there's when I eat like 
I just I stay lean and shredded 

1401
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:19,300
man, even after I have a huge 
meal. 

1402
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,899
Yeah, that's outing thing, man. 
Because, like, we talked a 

1403
01:09:22,907 --> 01:09:25,200
little bit about calories and I 
obviously think calories a 

1404
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,200
matter, like calories are part 
of the equation, just like 

1405
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,200
anything else is. 
But I will say this, I could eat

1406
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:34,800
intuitively with a carbohydrate 
mixed diet and I could eat 

1407
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,399
intuitively with a zero 
carbohydrate ketogenic. 

1408
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:42,300
And my composition and the way I
feel and perform is 

1409
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:45,000
exponentially better on the 
ketogenic approach. 

1410
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:46,800
Eating ad, libitum. 
Whatever. 

1411
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,800
I feel like intuitively. 
That's what I find my bro. 

1412
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,600
I can attest to that, you know, 
that I can attest to that and 

1413
01:09:53,899 --> 01:09:57,900
bro, like hate to do this man. 
Like every day, do I just wake 

1414
01:09:57,900 --> 01:10:00,200
up just shredded every day, 
right? 

1415
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,000
And I'm eating more food than I 
have in the past. 

1416
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,600
And like, right now, since I'm 
not even close to competing 

1417
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,100
right now. 
I'm probably like two and a 

1418
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:09,800
half. 
Half three months out. 

1419
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,000
I'm not tracking calories. 
No macros, no portioning. 

1420
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,200
I mean so I kind of like we said
earlier, right? 

1421
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,200
Why not do everything even even 
if you want to count calories 

1422
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,700
because you want to fine, tune 
it and I'll it in. 

1423
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,500
So as I get closer to the cop, 
I'll probably start tracking 

1424
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:27,200
again and see, like, if I 
manipulate certain things have 

1425
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,100
Ultra shredded, I can get, but I
think that's kind of a steel 

1426
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:33,600
that you. 
And I have worked to write the 

1427
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,700
fact that we do it because we 
are doing it to fine-tune the 

1428
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:40,300
physique. 
You don't say, we need the extra

1429
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:43,300
Edge and that's why we start 
tracking towards as we get 

1430
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:47,300
closer to competition. 
But now I can sustain like 67 

1431
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:51,800
percent body fat year round 
without even counting calories. 

1432
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,200
Macros. 
No portioning. 

1433
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:55,400
That's what I love about this 
new style. 

1434
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:59,000
Robert, you know, as long as 
you're keeping your fats, High 

1435
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:02,700
your carbs lower no processed 
foods, moderate protein. 

1436
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,900
You can keep a dope physique 
year-round and if you guys want 

1437
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:09,500
to check me out. 
Instagram, I'll look pretty 

1438
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:12,500
consistent throughout the year 
and when I'm competing, I really

1439
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:14,100
dial it in and get Ultra 
shredded. 

1440
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:18,600
But, you know, I love being like
almost two weeks ready for any 

1441
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,000
any kind of event, you know, 
whether it be a like, a show, 

1442
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,500
you know, Beach getaway photo 
shoot, you know what I mean? 

1443
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:31,000
Like, why not always be ready if
it's simple, easy, sustainable, 

1444
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:35,100
and lastly healthy and also 
number five, you're eating 

1445
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:38,000
delicious foods, right? 
I'm gonna end with a dad joke. 

1446
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,100
Robert. 
Madame Curie, so people ask me. 

1447
01:11:41,108 --> 01:11:44,000
Hey Flex, man. 
Don't you ever want a cheat meal

1448
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,600
and my rebuttal to that is you 
know what I actually don't 

1449
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,900
write. 
I don't crave cheat meals. 

1450
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:51,600
But once you have the cheat 
code, bro, you're eating 

1451
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,700
delicious foods everyday. 
You don't need a cheat meal 

1452
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:56,500
because you got the cheat code. 
So boom. 

1453
01:11:56,500 --> 01:12:01,300
I'm not dropping my dad joke 
right there to end with it. 

1454
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:03,400
Can grasp, by the way, with the 
baby coming. 

1455
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:06,000
I'm stoked for you guys, then. 
Hey, man, I really appreciate. 

1456
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,000
We're super excited. 
I'm super excited to share the 

1457
01:12:08,008 --> 01:12:09,500
stage. 
We again, I'm probably going to 

1458
01:12:09,508 --> 01:12:11,800
compete next year. 
Hopefully, you'll step on stage 

1459
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,700
again. 
It'll be awesome if you, and I 

1460
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:16,800
both stepping on stage and we're
both following a ketogenic diet.

1461
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,300
And we can both just, you know, 
wipe the floor with the other 

1462
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,500
competitors. 
And then teach them about what 

1463
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:24,800
the possibilities are. 
Hey, we're putting it out there.

1464
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,900
We're going to make it happen, 
man. 

1465
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:27,800
We're going to make it happen. 
Here's my challenge to you. 

1466
01:12:27,808 --> 01:12:32,100
Robert, jump on a non-natural 
stage with me, and let's show 

1467
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,000
those boys. 
What we can do, naturally on the

1468
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,900
ketogenic diet. 
Lower carb diet of meta Flex 

1469
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:42,600
diet. 
Paleo s diet but I mean like we 

1470
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,600
we gotta wake people up bro. 
Both Nat natural and non-natural

1471
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,200
and I'm just tripping, man. 
I think I've competed in PC 

1472
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,100
before. 
I'll do it again. 

1473
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:51,500
I ain't scared. 
Do it. 

1474
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,000
Do it, thinking about, who are 
these guys, but until then 

1475
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,700
brother. 
Until then keep doing what 

1476
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:58,400
you're doing. 
I'm keep in touch. 

1477
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:59,600
I mean truly man. 
You got my number. 

1478
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:00,600
If there's ever anything I can 
do. 

1479
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,400
Just let me know brother. 
Oh, yeah, man it likewise bro. 

1480
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:04,500
Likewise. 
All right. 

1481
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,300
Take care, bud. 
Alright, man. 

1482
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:06,900
Take care.