1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,680 Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes Keto savage.com to 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,960 Dev get special guest Vince Pitstick on the line. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,200 He is the man behind so many of the waves done in the functional 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,200 medicine space. He's in the coaching space, 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,520 started off as a bodybuilder, went to integrative medicine and 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,320 is totally been changing the world and changing people's 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,400 lives in the process. Thoroughly enjoyed this 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,800 conversation. We have a lot in common and not 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,160 on the bodybuilding background, but also OCD and just a lot of 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,560 similar mental approaches to things in life, our extremist 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,000 attitude. So I really resonated with a lot 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,080 of things he was saying. Like I said, thoroughly enjoy 13 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,759 the conversation. I've got no doubt that you will 14 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,160 take something from it regardless, you will leave this 15 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:38,160 conversation feeling fired up, so definitely give it a listen. 16 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:50,120 Let's roll the intro. And we are live, Vince. 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,440 How are you, brother? I'm doing great, Robert. 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,440 Good, good. I'm excited to talk with you 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,640 man. So I I historically do not do 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,440 any research on my guests before they come in. 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,200 I just like it to be an organic conversation. 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,560 But I jumped on your IG literally 30 seconds before we 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,960 jumped on here. And your Last Post was talking 24 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:10,000 about women specifically who are constantly chronically under 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,680 eating. And that is probably the largest 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,960 demographic of clientele that I just coincidentally get. 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,520 And it happens all the time. I love to just kind of flesh 28 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,640 that out. But before we even get into 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,080 that, man, just what got me, what got you in the space, 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,760 because you've been doing this for a long time. 31 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,920 Yeah, so to, to, to make a Long story short, take a young boy 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,320 who gets really, really sick at the age of 7. 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Rare physical and mental disorder, unexplained idiopathic 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,160 people didn't know where it came from. 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,000 Traveled, you know, failed by the medical system. 36 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,520 They just want to throw me on drugs. 37 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,600 Ended up, you know, the course of 12 years working through 38 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,000 different health practitioners got lots of different diagnosis 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,760 is one of them was like a severe like OCD. 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,200 But I also had like, you know, gut issues, anxiety issues, all 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,280 kinds of other stuff going on. And in the end, it ended up 42 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,520 being a combination of holistic practitioners, cleaning my 43 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,920 nutrition, gym therapy. And I was kind of liberated from 44 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:17,160 it, but not before I started self medicating with street 45 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 drugs. So then I became addicted to, 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,360 you know, St. stimulants and I had another 10 year battle with 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,520 that. And so in that journey, I 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,840 learned all the different layers of healing that kind of have to 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,800 happen. And I worked with holistic, a 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 lot of holistic practitioners. And you know, when I went to 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,360 college, it was one of those things where I just didn't have 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,080 a passion for anything but helping other people because of 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,360 my own journey. So I was in the, I was like 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,680 third year in this middle of this finance a degree. 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,920 And I'm like, what the hell am I doing? 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,400 I got about a class. I never look back. 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,840 I'm like, where am I going to start helping people? 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,480 I was like, well, I'll start as a trainer because I was already 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,720 in bodybuilding. This is like 20 years ago now. 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,000 And I'll start as a trainer and we'll we'll see where it goes 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,880 from there. Ended up building if a full 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,040 membership training program that included holistic services, 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,200 blood work from a hormone Dr. And everything was like 64 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,480 included. That program took off near 65 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,120 Chicago. And then I got picked up by a 66 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,040 global Health Organization called Metagenics, where I got 67 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,920 the trained under some of the best doctors in the world and 68 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:21,800 functional medicine. And when you take my 69 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,560 bodybuilding background, fat loss nutrition, athletic 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,120 nutrition background, and then you combined all the functional 71 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,120 medicine tools and training that I had, I made AI, made a good 72 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,240 medical consultant for doctors all over the country. 73 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,320 So I was the guy behind the guy of some of the biggest doctors 74 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:46,320 in the country for many years. And I saw the inconsistencies in 75 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,680 the medical field. But I was the guy that sat in on 76 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,560 the cases. I was the guy that got the call, 77 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,520 you know, at 8:00 AM or 8:00 PM if something wasn't going right. 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,760 And I would help practices build out their protocols, build out 79 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,080 their cash pay services, fat loss services, holistic health 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,400 services. And so I learned about every 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,440 method from every kind of doctor you can think of. 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,640 There's, there's not like a therapy I don't know about, 83 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,760 haven't seen treatment with or know how to do a protocol 84 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,520 around. And so I, I, I accumulated this 85 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,839 infinite amount of wealth or of knowledge in that, in that area. 86 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,399 And, and then one day I said, you know what, I've learned all 87 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,360 the best things. And what's missing is that what 88 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,920 really needs to happen is that they need to be coached through 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720 all of these tools and all these tools need to be put into one 90 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,800 program. So I developed what was called 91 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,080 the 4F4F method. I quit my cozy job and I'm 92 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,880 opened up in the back of a chiropractic office in 93 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Waynesville, OH. Starting with about 10 clients. 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,960 And now the the, the the main business, Vital Coaching is one 95 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,760 of the largest one-on-one functional health coaching 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,360 companies in the United States. From there I launched all my 97 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,040 other businesses so that the service could be totally 98 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,760 contained. I can make the exact supplements 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,680 that I wanted. I designed the app for the 100 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,840 experience that I wanted. I launched a couple other 101 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,480 coaching companies and then I eventually launched a university 102 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,520 and then my own medical company. So that way when you come to 103 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,040 work at my with any one of my coaches or anything, you're a 104 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,040 complete medical operation, even if you don't have a license. 105 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,960 So I can, I can make any coach have all the tools that they 106 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,520 need so that they can be a one man or female show so that they 107 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,600 can really lead people to the true other, you know, meaning of 108 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,040 health. And so that, that's been my 109 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,120 journey. And so now I'm, you know, the 110 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,440 founder of the vital Network, which is about 7 different 111 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,280 businesses, about 120 staff. And we're, we're all 112 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,520 aggressively pursuing radical change in the fitness and health 113 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,960 industry. And we think we're the tip of 114 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,520 spear that's going to do it. So that's the, that's the short 115 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,320 of it, Robert. I love it, man. 116 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,160 I love it. Ambitious. 117 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,240 I liked it. How old are you? 118 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,600 Just turned 40. Nice man Killing it. 119 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,640 Killing it. What do you think the big 120 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,440 problem is in the health and fitness space now? 121 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Because it seems to be in some ways making leaps and bounds. 122 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Another way is just stuck in, you know, no man's land. 123 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,800 Yeah. So you got to kind of judge, got 124 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,880 to judge in industry by its fruit, right. 125 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,560 And so let's start with the medical field. 126 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,240 So you've got more doctors, more prescriptions, more science, 127 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,480 more health networks than ever before in human fit history. 128 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Yet almost every single known human disease is growing at all 129 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,080 time rates. By 2037, out of 10 people in the 130 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,240 world, not just in the United States, but in the world, will 131 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,400 be struck with some form of lifestyle disease that will 132 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,800 significantly hamper their joy, their vitality, their life. 133 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,720 And you have to go. There seems to be an inverse 134 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,280 relationship between more medicine and worse health, 135 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,880 right? And we believe it's because of 136 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,520 the special specialization. So let me explain, Robert, 137 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,160 you're going to be a for just for two minutes, you're going to 138 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,080 be a endocrinologist, you're going to work on thyroid, and 139 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,760 then I'm going to be a gastroenterologist. 140 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,840 I'm going to work GI OK, so you and I are both going to go to 141 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:06,280 school and then we're going to divvy up everybody. 142 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,440 You're going to work thyroid, I'm going to work gut. 143 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,680 You're going to stay in your lane. 144 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,080 I'm going to stay in my lane. You make your money, I make my 145 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,320 money. All was well, right. 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,440 That sounds really wise or logical, doesn't it? 147 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Very logical. So that's why the when they call 148 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,360 IT systems medicine, it's because they've they've divvied 149 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,040 up the human body into they've chopped it up into eleven 150 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,640 systems. And then they dictate a 151 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,960 specialty for each doctor to be just live in that system. 152 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,320 But once a condition that you have had goes past six months, 153 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,120 it is no longer acute, it is chronic. 154 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,280 And when it is chronic, almost by definition, that means 155 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,160 multiple systems are working improperly that work together to 156 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,480 create a function. So think of like you did chronic 157 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,840 fatigue, right? Think of chronic joint pain. 158 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,280 Think of chronic gut issues. Doesn't matter what it is, it's 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,200 not one system anymore. So for example, metabolism is a 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,600 great, we could use metabolism as a good example. 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,600 Where is the metabolism on your body? 162 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,840 It was not in one place, right? It's everywhere. 163 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,840 And all 11 systems of the body play a part in your total 164 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,600 metabolic rate because they're all metabolizing things in these 165 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 systems. And they all have, they all have 166 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,760 an effect on the messaging that happens to every little cell and 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,160 how much that cell jostles and metabolizes that adds to the net 168 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,600 total of your total metabolic rate. 169 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,919 And so, you know, if I was going to work one system, if I, if 170 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:42,080 everyone came to you, Robert, and was like, hey, I want to 171 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,640 lose weight. If you just trained everybody, 172 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,760 you'd only be working the musculoskeletal system. 173 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Well, one system approaches do not solve complex issues, which 174 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,720 is why medicine fundamentally is opposed to healing, because it 175 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,880 does not happen in just one system. 176 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,320 It's multiple systems working together, which is why as a 177 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,560 coach, you'll do nutrition, you probably do mindset, You're 178 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:07,960 working on stress management, you're working on sleep, you're 179 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,040 working on water, you're working on nutrition, you're working on 180 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,360 supplementation. You're working all kinds of 181 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,040 systems together that then create incredible outcomes. 182 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,280 Would you agree with that statement? 183 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,520 100%. OK, so you all you just 184 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,760 naturally get get it that you have to work multiple systems in 185 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,400 order to bring alignment back to the body and create vitality and 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,760 fix it from the root, which is what functional means. 187 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:36,520 So when I broke out and created my career, there was no, there 188 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,560 were health coaches that taught you how to drink water and sleep 189 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:42,160 and stuff, but there were no functional health coaches that 190 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,640 use deep functional medicine, science programming and then 191 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,200 fitness programming together. It didn't exist about 15 years 192 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,280 ago and so we had to create a term for it. 193 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,480 So we just made it up and we're like functional health coach. 194 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,800 So and you can see on record, we were the first to just kind of 195 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,720 get it out there because we needed something to describe 196 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,000 what we were doing. And, and that didn't really, and 197 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,640 nothing really fit at the time. And it kind of picked up steam, 198 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,720 you know, and, and So what we believe in and, and what I'm 199 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,800 trying to do is create my own Health Network that when you 200 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,680 come in, you see a coach, but that coach is really your guide, 201 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,440 the guide to make sure that everything gets in alignment so 202 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,640 that you can have the outcome that you actually desire. 203 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,640 So like if someone comes and sees you, you're not just going 204 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,440 to do nutrition, you're not just going to do XY or Z, you're 205 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,520 going to put everything in a row for them so that all the systems 206 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,040 fall into place and the outcome happens. 207 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,240 You don't have that in medicine. So people fall through the 208 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,360 cracks. They'll go see the the 209 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,840 dietitian, but then their dietitian doesn't work with 210 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,520 their diabetes specialist or their heart, you know, doctor or 211 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,840 or whatever. No one's talking to each other. 212 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,640 It's not Cleveland Clinic style and it never will be. 213 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,960 And so everyone falls through the cracks and that's why no one 214 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,320 actually gets better. They just manage their symptoms. 215 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,240 And so we have we the pandemic of our time. 216 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,120 Robert is right in front of us and it's not a comet, it's not 217 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,080 UFOs, it's not COVID, it is us. We are going to kill ourselves. 218 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,720 Do you think the current standard of care and just the 219 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,120 Western medicine system as it is, is like malicious in nature, 220 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,320 or do you think they just kind of defaulted to, I don't know, 221 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,200 whatever they did that made the most money and that kind of 222 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,040 became the system that it is? I've had a lot of time to think 223 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,360 about this because you never can tell when a when a tragedy or 224 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,080 travesty happens, if it's ignorance or maliciousness, you 225 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,640 know, malice. And I think for the most part, 226 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:55,280 most people that get into medicine have a genuine duty to 227 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,200 serve, but it is beat out of them because the the real 228 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:03,800 politics and the people that run medicine don't care. 229 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,240 And so you're seeing a few people at the top who own all 230 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,920 the businesses who just look at it like a business. 231 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,320 So they're slightly ignorant, but they're also just slightly 232 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,480 malicious because they're so self-serving that it's not about 233 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,680 creating solutions, it's about creating profits. 234 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,640 And that's even though I'm a, I'm a red blooded American. 235 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,040 I love my country, I love capitalism. 236 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,880 That's where it fails us sometimes. 237 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,960 Although again, I'm not saying the single payer government 238 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,800 controlled system would be any better, but but I am saying that 239 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,560 it is the problem. Western medicines 12 system 240 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,880 approach will not solve the problems that the world has 241 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,480 today. And it's obvious. 242 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Do you think, I mean, it's like such a big ship, it'd be kind of 243 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,040 hard to to turn it? Is it going to be just an 244 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,360 implosion that acts as the catalyst for change, or what's 245 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,880 going to happen? Well, did you not, you know, 246 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,200 it's interesting that we talk about this. 247 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Did you not just see the, the killing in New York of the head 248 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,200 of the insurance company and the amount of people. 249 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,840 Now listen, I'm not for murder, OK, let's be clear. 250 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,800 But what you should see is the reaction of the of the public, 251 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,720 which is much different than we expected. 252 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,200 It's it's almost 5050 in support because people are getting sick 253 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,800 and tired. And as pressure builds, 254 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,320 opportunities will arise, new markets will emerge. 255 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,480 And we saw this with the rise of nursing, by the way, you know, 256 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,320 the boom of nursing did not exist. 257 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,240 And then one day, Florence Nightingale created a school. 258 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,240 She was not licensed. She was just a woman that 259 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,600 created a process that reduced emergency room deaths by 80%, 260 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,160 that was focused on the human element of healing. 261 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,680 And she created a process and then she opened a school and she 262 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:58,080 trained others and there was about 200,000 nurses that were 263 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,520 just home care, cash pay entrepreneurs. 264 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,400 Sound familiar? Like coaches today. 265 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,880 And then eventually it got so popular it became adopted and 266 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,680 that led to mass adoption. And that's where the licensure 267 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:16,360 came in. And nursing is the greatest 268 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,960 technology to ever hit medicine because it's the human element 269 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,880 of healing right up there with penicillin. 270 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,120 And, and I believe that coaching is the next version of that. 271 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,200 I believe that you're either going to get AI services, you're 272 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,720 going to enter your symptoms in on ChatGPT and then it's going 273 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,000 to Amazon's going to drop you off a prescription or, or you're 274 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,920 going to get preventative care or work with a forward thinking 275 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,280 doctor and you're going to be guided by a coach. 276 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,240 I think there's going to be coaching for everything in the 277 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,840 future. And that's why my organization 278 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,200 is heavily leveraged. I'm making that a reality and 279 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,440 functional medicine though is growing in popularity every 280 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,480 year. The the market forecast shows 281 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,800 24% growth year over year on functional related services. 282 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,320 So the demands already coming and I think we are going to see 283 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,520 a reckoning over the course of the next, especially by 20-30 284 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,960 when so many people are sick and the medical system can't handle 285 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,800 it. We're going to be looking for 286 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,400 something new. And so that's, that's what I 287 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,920 believe. And so I'm heavily invested in 288 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,600 that future fitness. You would think be should be 289 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:25,080 benefiting from this and it is. But the problem with fitness is 290 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,520 because it doesn't know enough about the functional side or how 291 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,560 the system of the body works. They apply the same method to 292 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,400 every single person. You know how maybe you go to a 293 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,560 chiropractor, it just so happens that every treatment involves a 294 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,400 adjustment. You go to a hormone specialist. 295 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,000 It just so happens that every treatment involves a hormone. 296 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,520 You go to, I don't know, GI doctor, every treatment involves 297 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,760 proton pump inhibitor. See, the whole problem is 298 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,680 getting spent becoming a specialist. 299 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,280 We need more generalists that kind of know how to put 300 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,720 everything together because if you apply a caloric restriction 301 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,680 and high resistance training to every problem, more often than 302 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,480 not, you're going to cause more problems long term than good. 303 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Not that working out is not phenomenal. 304 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,840 It is, it's medicine. Not that nutrition isn't 305 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,560 phenomenal, it is, it's medicine. 306 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,000 But there is a time and a place to on a, on a system that you do 307 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,560 different things to bring it back to full health and then 308 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,360 fully stress it. There is an order of operations 309 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,000 that gets missed and because that gets missed and people 310 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,480 don't really know what they're doing and they think that 311 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,680 everyone's they're training everybody like A and coaching 312 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,720 everybody like a 19 year old male. 313 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,000 And, and the methods of dieting that we've been giving women I 314 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,000 believe are making us in general worse and not better. 315 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,440 When you look at the totality of the industry, I think it's got 316 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,040 one of the greatest armies of people who want to help people, 317 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,920 but I think they're misguided with predominantly fitness 318 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,560 research only on small research sample sizes. 319 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,640 And then they go apply that to everybody like it's the Bible 320 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,800 and it's just not true. It is inadequate. 321 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,920 And so the more that fitness grows, the people still get sick 322 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:19,359 at a higher and higher rate. So I don't know if we're doing 323 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,720 that great of a job except making money for ourselves, 324 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,839 because nowhere in the world, per capita do we spend more 325 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:28,720 money than the United States on supplements, fitness programs 326 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,240 and gym memberships. Yeah, no, I, I agree on 327 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,520 everything you just said, man. I feel like it's very easy for 328 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,080 people to get stuck in their information silos and then just 329 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,720 not be open receptive to anything outside of that. 330 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,880 Like I feel like for me, I came from, you know, the bodybuilding 331 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,200 space. So like I had all of that, you 332 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,240 know, evidence backed, you know, bro, dieting wisdom, so to 333 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,400 speak. But then I got to the ketogenic 334 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,760 space, which was like a very nice, you know, marrying of the 335 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,960 two because the ketogenic space as a general rule of thumb is 336 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,680 pretty open and receptive to the functional medicine, these 337 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,680 alternative medicines. So like I was able to kind of 338 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,080 took what I learned from the bodybuilding background and 339 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,480 apply that to what I have learned in the nutritional 340 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,520 space. And I feel like it's only opened 341 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,520 my mind all the more. And you don't really see a lot 342 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,440 of that in the space. Yeah, people are afraid in 343 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,560 medicine and in fitness to be judged by their peers. 344 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:22,080 The government doesn't have to do much because the fear of 345 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,960 public opinion keeps us strapped, keeps us in our 346 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,920 groups. Group think we get into tribes, 347 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,600 right, tribal behavior. And I've never been good at 348 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,200 that. Remember, I grew up kind of boy 349 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,080 in a bubble. I grew up looking at looking at 350 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,080 the world from my window and I've never felt felt fit into 351 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,640 one group. And I, I've been on the pursuit 352 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,640 of truth and knowledge about nutrition and it's taking me 353 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,400 some to the, some of the most uncomfortable places that have 354 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,480 had me what I believed was true, turns out it's only half true. 355 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,960 And I had to expand my mind and expand my programming. 356 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,920 Keto was one of those areas. I'm a big, I'm a big, big fan of 357 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,880 keto. I use it in certain ways, but 358 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,920 also fasting. I was anti fasting and I 359 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,520 realized that it's actually the truth. 360 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,840 I was, you know, I was all about building muscle and I still am. 361 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Muscle's still important, but it's not as important as I 362 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,840 thought it was in terms of there's a rate limited to health 363 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,320 and size. And if if you're trying to live 364 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,040 forever, getting big is not a good idea. 365 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:33,240 And so there's things I had to learn and functional medicine 366 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,000 taught me two things that we believed in. 367 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Functional medicine have changed. 368 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,560 And you've got to be willing to be humble and a student and 369 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,800 continue to learn because I want to be the best in the world. 370 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,360 I care very little to be right. And that's, that's my pursuit. 371 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,440 So it's taking me to some really uncomfortable places. 372 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,920 And so I, that's why I have the answers that I do today is 373 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,640 because I was willing to do that, that we teach, that we 374 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,280 teach to doctors and coaches all over the world in my university. 375 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:01,520 I love it. I love it. 376 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,760 I feel like functional medicine as a whole has, you know, 377 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,080 definitely generated a lot more momentum. 378 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,160 Like I've had several people in the podcast from the functional 379 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,120 medicine space and it, you know, 20 years ago or 10 years ago, 380 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,160 whatever the time frame was like, that was kind of like the 381 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,720 laughingstock amongst traditional Western medicine. 382 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,120 Whereas now they they tend to play a lot better because they 383 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,200 they've got this underlying respect for one another, it 384 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,520 seems. Yeah, that, well, we're starting 385 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,480 to see a blending of fitness and functional. 386 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,440 You're seeing that those two worlds are, are actually kind 387 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,640 of, you got Peter Attia, for example, right? 388 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,960 You, you got certain practitioners that are starting 389 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,240 to embody this middle ground, which again is what we, that was 390 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,520 our we champion for that. Because if you take what people 391 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,040 don't understand, if I wish the functional doctors knew that if 392 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,080 you take the bodybuilding structure, OK, because people 393 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:58,040 don't understand the structure of your programming and your 394 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,840 lifestyle can 10X the speed of your outcome and the altitude of 395 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,520 your outcome. So what I what do I mean by the 396 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,920 structure? So if you go to a function 397 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,840 medicine doctor now This is why I quit and did it for myself. 398 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,760 They can call themselves functional. 399 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,640 They can run labs, they can throw vitamin D at you. 400 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,680 They can give you a sheet of paper that shows some foods on 401 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,640 it, say eat this and call themselves functional. 402 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah. That's not functional. 403 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,600 The the framework of coaching and functional, that's when you 404 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,680 see incredible outcomes because human beings, they first need to 405 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,520 believe and they need to feel connected. 406 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,920 That's why a coach gets better outcomes than a doctor in my 407 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,760 opinion, because a doctor sees you every three to six months. 408 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,640 A coach talks to you weekly, keeps you in the game, keeps you 409 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,440 at 95%. So then the things you do 410 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,520 exponentially create outcomes faster, right? 411 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,600 They get them to believe that they can do the thing before it 412 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,200 you even do the thing, which is the, it's half the the damn game 413 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,360 is the belief. It's the mind. 414 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,560 It's not what you do physically. It's it's what happens in the 415 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,640 mind and your belief. And So what I found was the 416 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,720 framework of bodybuilding is the model for medicine. 417 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,200 So it's like I'm going to change some of your, I'm going to watch 418 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,040 your biofeedback. I'm going to have some labs. 419 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,440 I'm going to watch your body change over time. 420 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,600 I'm going to be a touch point with you weekly. 421 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,680 We're going to dial things up and down as your body adjusts. 422 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,360 And then that's how you solve complex systems like the human 423 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,840 body. You do not solve it in a in a 424 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,560 process where it's like, I'm going to look for a symptom, 425 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,120 treat the symptom here, take this for six months, come back, 426 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,200 let's see where you're at and try again. 427 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,640 That's the recipe for never getting better. 428 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,520 Yeah, it's interesting because like it's cool that we both have 429 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,360 a bodybuilding background because a lot of people, I mean 430 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,880 most people I work with are not competitive bodybuilders, but 431 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,440 I'll implement a very similar protocol from like that 432 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,160 structured standpoint. I mean, if you can measure it, 433 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,760 you can manage it like variable control. 434 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,240 Basically, you just, you reach the goal much more efficiently, 435 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,640 much more effectively if you have that standardized approach 436 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,960 that you can manipulate confidently and accurately. 437 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,880 And so many people have this hesitancy to approach things 438 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,760 from this bodybuilding esque, you know, style. 439 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,440 But at the end of the day, like bodybuilders, nothing special. 440 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,680 We're all human beings. Like if it works for them to 441 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,000 reach desired outcome, the same principles would apply to you. 442 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,240 Yeah, see what people don't understand about let's say 443 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,960 research, for example, and this blows my mind that you get 444 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,760 people running around beating people over the head with 445 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,040 research like it's the Bible. Even if research has a has a 446 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:49,720 strong P value, right, Which is the accuracy of the data and has 447 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,760 a large sample size, you know, So like let's say that N is 448 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:59,440 greater than 500 or 5000, right? The date is only accurate for up 449 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,000 to 68% of people because that's one standard deviation away from 450 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,520 the mean. So that means that the polar 451 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,680 edges, right? The other, what is that 32% 452 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,400 right, which is usually the people you deal with in coaching 453 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,200 is the people that don't fall in the standard. 454 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Those people, right, have bio individuality that is not 455 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,400 accurate, adequately represented in the literature. 456 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,520 But then they're being told on social media that all they need 457 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,680 to do is follow what everybody else is doing and what coaching 458 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,720 allows us to do by watching biofeedback. 459 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,080 And that's why we do genetics coaching too. 460 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,880 So I get your genetics report. I'm looking at your microbiome. 461 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,440 I'm doing advanced Dutch because you have, you really have about 462 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,480 17 hormones. You don't have three. 463 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600 You have like 17 with the metabolites. 464 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,280 So I look at all of those things. 465 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,680 If I if, if the client has the money for it and I'm, I'm 466 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,520 tracking your biofeedback week over week. 467 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,640 I'm adjusting for your bio individuality, which is why my 468 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,720 success rate, you know, the average success rate for a 469 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,520 doctor is like 60%, but it also has about an 80% relapse rate. 470 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:17,160 That's standard medicine. Our program right now has a 95% 471 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,560 completion and success rate at six months, 6 to 8 months. 472 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,440 So like, it accounts for the bio individuality that is not 473 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,640 represented in research. And that's what you mean by the 474 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,640 coaching method. You know what I mean? 475 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,360 And that's why the success rate gets so high. 476 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,120 And I wish people would know that, but they don't. 477 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:37,240 They're unfamiliar with coaching. 478 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,000 Less than less than 12 1/2 percent of Americans have ever 479 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,200 been offered coaching or functional services. 480 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,000 So like, if you've never been offered, you can't partake. 481 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,720 They don't know because they're not familiar with it. 482 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,560 Their friend on the street doesn't do it. 483 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,000 They don't really follow those people on social media. 484 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,160 They, they, you know, they don't know anybody. 485 00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:00,600 And so as this thing grows, it will, it will diffuse and become 486 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,560 very popular. We're, we're at the beginning of 487 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,800 a revolution, I believe. And you're going to see that all 488 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,680 of a sudden, just like fish oil and vitamin D. 489 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240 Do you remember, Robert? Just this is literally, I can 490 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,280 remember this 'cause I was one of the first, like fish oil and 491 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,560 vitamin D was a big thing for me. 492 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,920 And we didn't know I was giving people D2 at the time. 493 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280 We didn't know D3 was. Anyway, you had to learn. 494 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:26,680 But I told people about fish oil and vitamin D and they're like, 495 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,080 what the F are you talking about, right? 496 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,520 If you ask somebody today, 18 years later, they go, you don't 497 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,360 take vitamin D and fish oil. You see what I'm saying? 498 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,600 So it's a diffusion through the market and that's where 499 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600 everything's heading. So if anybody's listening to 500 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,120 this, who's in the in the health space, if you're leaning into 501 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,920 functional, it's going to be a good decade for you. 502 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Well, beyond that, I mean like the coaching component, like 503 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,280 that controls for the physiological, you know, 504 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,400 individualized factor, but also the psychological component. 505 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,360 I feel like that's where most people miss the boat 'cause if 506 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,680 you're going to see a doctor once every six months, you get 507 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,360 an annual lab work done. They're giving you some generic 508 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,120 recommendations. There's no psychological 509 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,840 component in place there. And that's where so many people 510 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040 trip up. That's the number one. 511 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,560 I couldn't agree with you more. We're, we're completely in, in 512 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,240 alignment at my, for example, So we, we have about 40 coaches at 513 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:32,720 Vital coaching and about last year, I, I totally changed a lot 514 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,040 of our training. I'm way less concerned if you 515 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,640 are an expert in functional medicine, and I'm way more 516 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,640 concerned if you're a functional or if you're if you're a 517 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,400 transformational leader because transformational leadership is 518 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,440 what's going to get people to follow the process much more 519 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,360 than you know in 17 different ways to use Ashwagandha. 520 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,040 And that's why I found that the more letters you have behind 521 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040 your name, the less typically effective you are as a 522 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,280 practitioner because you're more of a researcher instead of a 523 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,640 doer. And I need doers. 524 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600 I need people. They're going to get in the dirt 525 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,880 with you that have been through the issues like yours. 526 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280 That's gonna that's gonna you know, that's gonna put his hand 527 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,440 on his shoulder and it's gonna walk you through the suck, you 528 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,280 know? Yeah. 529 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,280 And that's and that's what I, I believe today. 530 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,720 So I, I tell my coaches, stop going and getting more 531 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,480 certifications about one more thing about microbiome. 532 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Go learn about go, go get, you know, transformational 533 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,920 leadership courses. Go go language courses, sales 534 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,280 courses, non verbal communication, public speaking, 535 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,200 because those are the tools that are actually going to create the 536 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,760 relationship and the experience necessary to get them through 537 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,440 the hard moments. 100% I want to dive into nuts and bolts of your 538 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,560 curriculum and how you get that structure, but you said 539 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,960 something the very beginning piqued my interest. 540 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,600 So you said that you were suffering from OCD when you were 541 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640 younger. Yeah, so I I had many health 542 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,240 issues, but one of them was a rare form of severe OCD. 543 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,240 Yeah. How did that manifest itself? 544 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,800 In massive intrusive thoughts, I, I, I, you know, I would get 545 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,240 the thought that my mother was going to die if I didn't do XY 546 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,840 and Z or, you know, that, you know, I even, there was, there 547 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,080 was even a year of my life, as strange as it sounds, that I 548 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,120 thought my mom was an alien. Although I tell you what, that's 549 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 not that weird today, considering look what's going on 550 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,000 there. I, I had a fear of thinking. 551 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,040 So at 7 years old, I was worried about simulation theory. 552 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,800 So I was worried I was living in a simulation, which is kind of 553 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,840 weird 'cause we're, we're talking about that today, right? 554 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,360 But I was dealing with the fear of that with no tools of how to 555 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,720 logically understand it at 7 years old. 556 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,040 And I'll tell you what, it really challenges your mind when 557 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,720 you don't know what's real, You don't know who to believe, you 558 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,840 don't know where to turn. And no one's really been much 559 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,040 help. And that's why I stand in the 560 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,880 gap today for others because most people that find coaches 561 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280 have this desire because they're not comfortable where they're 562 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,880 at, but they don't know where to turn. 563 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,920 And, you know, that's why. So. 564 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,280 So. Yeah. 565 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560 So a pretty rare form. And it found out I was exposed 566 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,520 to environmental chemicals on the farm that I was at. 567 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,600 I I lived in the cornfields as a kid. 568 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,560 You couldn't get me to go back inside and I was exposed to some 569 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,040 pretty nasty chemicals that that actually got pulled off the 570 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:31,120 market and that so toxic exposure mixed with a lot of 571 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,280 family trauma. There's like a lot of early 572 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,920 family issues, severe issues in the home. 573 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,280 You mix multiple stressors at once on a five to seven-year old 574 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,440 kid. That's when you start having 575 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320 dysfunction, right? And so that's, that's, that's 576 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,520 how my journey started, yeah. Do you have any OCD tendencies 577 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,960 today? Like anything, you've been able 578 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720 to obviously mitigate and manage it, but any tendencies? 579 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Yeah, you, you learn to optimize it when once you the the beauty 580 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,800 of it is that once you get the right tools, which is why I like 581 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,680 in my program, we have group therapy. 582 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,200 You get your nutrition, your training. 583 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720 We also have our own medical team that can give you stuff 584 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,480 that will help balance it out like LDN. 585 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,600 Low dose naltrexone is amazing for compliance. 586 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,280 FYI if you have clients that are non compliant it it at higher 587 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,680 doses it's used for to help people come off alcohol but at 588 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680 micro doses at 5 milligrams it helps with compliance and just 589 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,360 general feelings of balance. It's not an anti anxiety or 590 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,920 antidepressant. It's out of your system in six 591 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,280 hours. It has no side effects, it's 592 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,360 free money. It's amazing. 593 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,560 My medical clinic. I launched my medical clinic 594 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,720 vital Med specifically to have access to these tools and have 595 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320 my own doctors because I got tired of I'm not referring to 596 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,440 doctors no more. I wanted to train my own 597 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,920 doctors. I wanted him to the amazing 598 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,720 people. I wanted him to do great service 599 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,600 and and not a gouge people. So any if anybody's looking for 600 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,120 great like hormone or just functional medicine care want to 601 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,440 see a doctor, you guys can check out vital vital Vidal Med ME 602 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,760 d.com. My team is the best. 603 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,840 They work with coaching companies and other 604 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,520 practitioners all over the country because I just got so 605 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440 sick of the BS that I was getting from doctors. 606 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,360 And so we, we pull all that stuff together. 607 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,120 So my OCD today is a superpower. That's why my work rate, I just 608 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,880 outwork everybody because I can get obsessed, but I have tools 609 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,080 to make sure that I don't go too far, that I stayed relatively 610 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,000 within balance. And I'm, I'm glad for it today 611 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560 because there's just, if anybody wanted to go head to head 612 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,200 against me, you'd have to be, you'd have to be mentally 613 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,240 insane, literally to probably outwork me. 614 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,600 No I love it man. And I asked this because I've 615 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,720 had debilitating OCD the majority of my life. 616 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,280 Like what got me into bodybuilding. 617 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,520 Like I remember doing like 50 Rep sets then having to double 618 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,040 it and triple it because I would have these intrusive thoughts of 619 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,960 like someone holding the gun to my parents head saying if you 620 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,200 just give me 50 more reps I'm putting a bull between the rows. 621 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Like that was literally what fueled my workouts. 622 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,680 Brother, do you know? OK, so check this out. 623 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,080 So that happened to me, but it happened to me when I was 624 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,240 younger. So I wasn't lifting yet. 625 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,240 It was in basketball. So my parents, the way they 626 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,320 found out something was wrong is I would go out to practice and 627 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240 it would be full storming, tornado warnings, whatever's 628 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,080 going on, and I'd still be out there. 629 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080 And I wasn't telling people what was going on because I was 630 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040 afraid. I thought I was like, I was 631 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,160 broke and so I was bad kid, something's wrong with me. 632 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560 And so I would literally go out to just shoot just like 10 633 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160 minute game of hoops. But then if I didn't make 50 634 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,040 shots in a row, I couldn't go inside. 635 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,760 There was one day I shot basketball for 23 hours. 636 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,280 Yeah, I. Totally. 637 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Totally get that man because I have the exact same thing 638 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,040 throughout my competition preps and it was like it used to be 639 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,120 before I got into bodybuilding. It was like germs, like I was a 640 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,920 germaphobe, like Howard Hughes shit with the OCD. 641 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,000 But. Then it got into the fitness 642 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,960 component and like whenever I'm going through a competition 643 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,520 prep, it's like if I mess up one little thing, I've got to redo 644 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,600 the entire thing multitude of times over to prove to myself 645 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200 and just prevent something bad from happening that would never 646 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,719 happen anyways. But yeah, man, I've never really 647 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,719 talked to people that had that same phenomena, so this is 648 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,719 interesting. Yeah, man, yeah, yeah. 649 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,639 We listen. We've lived like, yeah, you 650 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,600 that's lived, by the way, if you've never been diagnosed. 651 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,360 I mean, that's Hallmark. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like for 652 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,600 sure. But it's cool because like once 653 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,360 you realize it and you can harness it, it is totally a 654 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,000 superpower. Like like you were saying, I can 655 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000 outwork anybody because once I like freaking take the ceiling 656 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,880 off of that thing, I can direct it and I'm unstoppable. 657 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,520 There you go, bro. I'm, I'm so here's, so I call 658 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,280 that. So I have a nonprofit program 659 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,080 called Emotional Freedom Fellowship and it takes 660 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,960 individuals of greatness because I don't know if you know this, 661 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,760 but all people that you find interesting have some version of 662 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,719 this of a, of obsession, compulsion, addiction. 663 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,360 And so we call it the inner addict. 664 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680 And our job is to utilize the inner attic to make us great for 665 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,880 everyone around us, including ourselves and our society, but 666 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,160 to put for it to not consume us. And, and so the whole program is 667 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,760 to help you harness your superpowers. 668 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,520 It's called EFF and I I, I, you know, entrepreneurs are all 669 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,000 basically addicts, you know, bodybuilders are all basically 670 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,760 addicts in, in not, I don't think out, don't think 671 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,960 alcoholic, but just emotional addict, right? 672 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,240 Like, and you almost kind of got to be, to be great at anything. 673 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,920 And, and So what I, what I've learned is that it we, we define 674 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,200 addiction as an individual with great of greatness with the 675 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,040 wrong beliefs and actions to meet their needs. 676 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,920 So I used to believe that if I took one more line of cocaine, 677 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,400 everything would be OK. So all of my thoughts, actions, 678 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160 behaviors were centered and focused around getting cocaine. 679 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,520 Today I believe that if I'm able to help one more person, I've 680 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,600 just changed the input. So the input is helping others 681 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,840 lives makes everything OK. So all of my thoughts, actions, 682 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,080 and motivations are around helping other people. 683 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,800 And so that's why I've become such a sharpened tool for good, 684 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,400 you know, because that's all my brain does. 685 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,560 And you know, this other people's brains are preoccupied 686 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,960 with a lot of things. But the one thing that's kind of 687 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,120 nice about OCD is if you get locked in on something, that's 688 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,120 it. That's where you are. 689 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:46,480 And it creates an an ability to to just fly past everyone else 690 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,440 while you're worried about this, that and the other whatever's 691 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,720 going on, your thoughts are going no, I am 24/7 locked in. 692 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,200 The problem is, is then I get isolated. 693 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,720 I get disconnected from others and then I start becoming 694 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,680 restless, irritable, discontent. I start judging others. 695 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960 I start being a little bit frustrated. 696 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,400 I get judge mental. I lose my relationship 697 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,800 connection to my higher power, which I call Jesus Christ. 698 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,120 And then when I lose that connection, I become dangerous 699 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,480 to myself and others. You know what I mean? 700 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,680 And and then maybe not in like, not like I'm a pull a gun on 701 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,640 anybody, but you know, like just not treating people great, not 702 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,920 doing the right thing. You know that right, All, all 703 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,400 the, all the components that can go with it. 704 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,280 So that's why I have to keep a balance. 705 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,040 Yeah. And it's, it's like, what, what 706 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,680 do you have in, in place in your life? 707 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,000 Like what are some checks and balances, so to speak? 708 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,360 Because like I, I don't believe in this mentality of like work 709 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,720 life balance. Like if, especially if you're 710 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,760 OCD and you get locked in, like balance is bullshit. 711 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,040 Like you have to be an extremist. 712 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,680 Like you have to harness that in a positive way, ideally for the 713 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,800 betterment of those around you and yourself. 714 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,400 So like what what happens in your life that kind of acts as a 715 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400 reckoning to realize that you got a direct course? 716 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,360 So there's no such thing as balance, but there is seasonal 717 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,080 restoration. So I intentionally, because I 718 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,600 have like my team around me, like like my top dietitian 719 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,080 assistant sitting right next to me right now. 720 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,200 And I've got my assistant and I've got close friends and I and 721 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,800 I make them hold me accountable. So like I would be a workaholic 722 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,840 all the time, but I'll set an intention. 723 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,680 I'll say this season guys is about this launch, doing this 724 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,040 and doing this and then I make them book out trips or I have 725 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,480 people that hold me accountable because it is necessary that I 726 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,000 come up for air on occasion and that I enjoy what I'm doing. 727 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,400 And then I'm in the moment and sometimes I won't recognize that 728 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,080 I'm not doing that. So that's one is having having a 729 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,920 few people, a community around you that you help hold you 730 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,600 accountable. Two, I'm lucky I have recovery. 731 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,880 That's why I created EFF because I needed a group of people that 732 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,800 I could go have a sponsor. So EFF gives you a sponsor and 733 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960 it's just somebody that you check in with and this mentally, 734 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:09,960 how you doing? Where are we at? 735 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,320 How how are things going? You know, and that allows you to 736 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,520 have some authority in your life outside of yourself and and just 737 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,000 make sure you're in a good mental headspace. 738 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,280 And then obviously, you know, my accountability and my Lord and 739 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,640 Savior Jesus Christ, you know, I've got to answer to him. 740 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,600 At the end of the day, I am not perfect. 741 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,360 I'm not the Christian most Christians would want me to be. 742 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,200 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a different type. 743 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,640 My, I think my walk with Jesus comes with a limp. 744 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,200 And so, but at the end of the day, I've got to, I got to 745 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,320 answer to him imperfect or perfect. 746 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,240 And so those are the things that really helped me stay stay in 747 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,920 the track that is that's thinking about others and and 748 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,680 continuing to try to do the best that I can. 749 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,480 Yeah, I think, you know, kind of with the OCD, but also just in 750 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,680 probably with anybody that has this go getter mentality, like 751 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,160 when you from a spirituality component, when you remove self 752 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,600 as the highest power, like you have this sense of humility and 753 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,920 that allows you to function at a more sustained rate for the long 754 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,520 haul, 'cause like I used to burn it all the time at age. 755 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,760 I used to be like, yeah, I used to just, like, flirt with 756 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,320 death's door on a regular basis. And I like it. 757 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,960 That's the weird thing. Like I'm a freaking masochist, 758 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,240 man. Like, I like that it makes me 759 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,800 feel alive. But I recognize that that's 760 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,640 probably not the most conducive thing to overall betterment long 761 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,040 term, especially for those around me. 762 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,600 And once I'm at my last prep is when I kind of got really dove 763 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,440 into the spiritual component of it and harness the OCD, but also 764 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,920 just recognize that I was doing things that I couldn't have done 765 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,520 solo, you know? And that was an eye opener for 766 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,360 me. There you go, that was it. 767 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640 I mean, you took the words right out of my mouth. 768 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,840 And I really recommend that for anybody because the problem with 769 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,320 so I, I talk about the five stages of change a lot and 770 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,560 they're, you're constantly in a cyclical growth pattern of the 771 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,160 five stages of change. And the, and the fourth stage is 772 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,280 called the cocoon phase or the process phase. 773 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,360 And bodybuilding teaches you this because what you learn 774 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,240 really fast is if you want to make great transformation in a 775 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,800 particular area of your life, whether it be mental, physical, 776 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,240 spiritual, you have to reduce the number of things that you're 777 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,360 doing in the chaos and, and, and, and, and get focused, which 778 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,600 means that your world is going to become smaller. 779 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,640 And when your world becomes smaller, it's, it's like 780 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,400 bringing a mirror really close to your face so that you, 781 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,800 because you're going to come really close with your own 782 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,080 unmanageability. And that's why most people whose 783 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,560 nervous systems aren't really regulated, That's why when they 784 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,400 get into that space and coaching, that's why they start 785 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,560 getting into self sabotaging behavior because they come up 786 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,680 close with their own unmanageability. 787 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,800 And in the discomfort of it, they seek comfort sex, scrolling 788 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:08,440 sex or food, you know, And what I've learned though, in that in 789 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,640 that process, though of cocoon phase, you must have the answer 790 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,560 to compulsion is connection. So think about, I don't know if 791 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,720 you've ever heard of the study of on rat Park, but they took a 792 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,840 they took a rat, they addicted it to cocaine. 793 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,160 Well, no, it's not what they did first. 794 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,160 Actually, they took a rat. They put it in a in a room with 795 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,160 a lot of sexually active female rats that were that they made 796 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,480 aroused with medications and the rat was having so much sex, they 797 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,760 became a sex addict. Then they took the rat, put it 798 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,080 in with water and cocaine, and it immediately chose the cocaine 799 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,760 'cause you can get coat addictions. 800 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,960 So people who have gotten semi obsessively compulsed to one 801 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,280 thing are very likely to get compulsed to another thing. 802 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,240 They're way more likely. Then they took the rat and they 803 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,640 put the rat in rat park, and Rat park was just normal rats who 804 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,040 acted normal. Put them around a lot of rats 805 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,000 and guess what? Put the cocaine in with the 806 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,280 water and the rat stopped consuming the cocaine and went 807 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,520 for the water. So the, the, the, the lesson to 808 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,520 that is is that you have to cocoon in order to create great 809 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,560 transformation. That's why the Caterpillar turns 810 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:28,720 into, you know, obviously the drag, what with the butterfly. 811 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600 I'm, I'm, I'm in, I'm in my what's called my hell week. 812 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,240 We see like 120 clients this week. 813 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,080 It's non-stop. So I'm going all the time this 814 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,720 week. This is this is my, this is my 815 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,040 grind week. But, but at the same time, you 816 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,920 can't get disconnected. And that's what happens to a lot 817 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,120 of bodybuilders. They get disconnected and then 818 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,760 they in in lieu of not having connection, they become 819 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,560 obsessed. And so that's where it, it's, 820 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,280 it's one thing to appreciate your body of work. 821 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,800 It's another thing to become so obsessed that you're never good 822 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,800 enough. And so that's why when they need 823 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,360 that, when we take young minds into a prep, we have to, we have 824 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,520 to get them to understand the pressure that develops and the 825 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,520 tools that they need, not just physically, but emotionally in 826 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,600 order to successfully navigate those waters. 827 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,320 And I tried to tell all my body goers, because what they'll do 828 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,600 is instead of having like good connection with friends, family 829 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,600 or something, healthy connection, what are they going 830 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,760 to do? Well, I know what I did. 831 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,400 I went out and drank and got laid. 832 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,920 That was not great because I'm on steroids. 833 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,800 I'm, I'm, I'm doing and that's not the connection that was 834 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,600 going to last. So it's just going to give me a, 835 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,400 it's going to give me a little boost and then, you know, I'm 836 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,440 going to be back to it. But we will, we will satiate on 837 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200 that for quite some time, but it will never fully satisfy. 838 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,080 And that's the problem. So then we keep chasing more and 839 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,160 more and more instead of just pursuing our best self. 840 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,840 It becomes about more and never being good enough. 841 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,400 And then that's when bodybuilding, which is an 842 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,640 amazing thing, turns very, very negative and toxic. 843 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,440 Yeah, no, I totally agree. Are you you married, you got 844 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,240 kids or anything like that? No, I have not had the pleasure 845 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,560 yet of becoming married, although hopefully kids and 846 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,040 marriage are in my near future because I'm looking forward to. 847 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,400 It, yeah, it's, it's interesting, man. 848 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,160 Like it creates a whole new dynamic. 849 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,240 And I was kind of fearful of it at first because it's like, I 850 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,080 don't know if that's going to be conducive to my dreams and 851 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,600 aspiration. I thought was going to slow me 852 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,320 down and hold me back, but it's not really had that effect. 853 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,120 And my wife is very different than me and she kind of acts as 854 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,560 that, I don't know, point of integration to some degree of 855 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,960 normalcy where I have a sense of fulfillment, but it's not a 856 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,760 detriment to my own ambitions, you know? 857 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,880 Yeah, that's great to hear, man. That's a good message for 858 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560 everybody because I you know, that is always the biggest fear 859 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,680 because the one closest to you is either going to build you up 860 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,680 or take you down. Yeah, totally. 861 00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:58,680 What? What? 862 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,200 What's your, what's, what's your demons now, man? 863 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,680 What are you fighting now? Man, again, my work rate versus 864 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,080 family like like dating life. I don't particularly like 865 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,760 dating. It's annoying this day and age 866 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:21,120 more than ever, but so like work life balance, which is always, 867 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,840 you know, a teetering cascade. But again, on the other hand 868 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,640 though, like nobody questions LeBron James's work great 869 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,680 because it's like, well, of course he's going to work a lot. 870 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,680 Well, that's that's me and my other people's expectations of 871 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,720 my life. I do not have to hold to right. 872 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,240 So it's like, yeah, you may not want to work this much. 873 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,080 I do, right. So there's a difference. 874 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,560 It's part of what makes me happy. 875 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,840 But at the same time, I don't know, I get into I man, I like, 876 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,480 I liked it. I get in a little bit like 877 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160 nicotine pouches and stuff like that. 878 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,880 I get into that sometimes. I don't know, I'm pretty stable 879 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,520 and everything else, man, I, I got a pretty good consistent 880 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,560 process. So it's, so it's just, it's just 881 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,960 balance in the, the risk versus reward. 882 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,520 How big of risk do I want to take in my business and in my 883 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,040 life? And you know, that's it, that's 884 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,960 probably it. You know, I do, I do a pretty 885 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,920 good job now these days. Sometimes, maybe sometimes 886 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,320 they'll let Netflix get me on occasion, like I got to stop 887 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,800 watching TV. So I'll, I'll pick stuff up and 888 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,000 I got to drop it 'cause I'll get obsessed with it real quick. 889 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,960 You know, that's why I don't play video games. 890 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,200 I, I, I, I, I don't play many sports. 891 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,200 I'll let bodybuilding, but I get competitive. 892 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,040 I don't ski anymore 'cause I, I always go to the black diamond 893 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:42,800 and I can't trust myself. So, so I just, I stick to the 894 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,480 games that I can win, you know what I mean? 895 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,560 Yeah, no, totally man. Respect that for sure. 896 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,520 Well, talk to me about the the university of the programming, 897 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,160 the protocol. Like what does that look for 898 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,080 somebody that's interested? Like, walk me through that road, 899 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,840 man. Yeah, imagine if somebody had 900 00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:01,240 figured out how in a 13 week program I could teach you 4 901 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:06,560 steps, 4, four steps in a process that could pretty much 902 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,920 solve almost any condition in the world and also create 903 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,440 amazing aesthetic outcomes. And you wouldn't even need a lab 904 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,240 to do it. 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And in 13 weeks, I can teach you 922 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,120 how to solve almost any problem in the world. 923 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,760 And that's the Metabolic Mentor University. 924 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,640 You guys can check it out or you guys can just check out my 925 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,000 Instagram, start following some of my content. 926 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,520 I go live every Monday answering everybody's questions too. 927 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,320 And breaking it down. It's Vince under score pit 928 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,440 stick. That's pit and stick. 929 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,600 Pretty simple Australian deodorant even though I'm German 930 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,680 and check me out on Instagram or Metabolic Mentor YouTube. 931 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,600 Nice, man. Awesome, awesome. 932 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,560 What are you excited about going for 2025? 933 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,880 Coming up at the end of the year here. 934 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,880 Man, 2025 is going to be a big year for functional medicine. 935 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,560 We got Robert F Kennedy that's going to be ahead of the the 936 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,840 sounds like the you know, the that maybe the FDAI don't know 937 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,120 where it depends where where he lands. 938 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,080 I don't know what the kind of czar they're going to make him. 939 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,080 I I'm excited about the economics of 2025. 940 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,040 I'm going to be very aggressive in my pursuit of growth. 941 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,160 We are particularly we're we're we're launching concierge 942 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,680 medicine. So you get a coach, but you get 943 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,720 the doctor with it. And we're going to position it 944 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,000 in the market that way because we have it now, but we don't 945 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,720 sell it as that. We sell it as coaching and 946 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,600 there's a doctor included. But changing the framework to 947 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,320 like try to reach more wider base of audience, not just like 948 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,840 people who are into fitness or general health, but all people 949 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,640 of all walks of life. And so we have a very aggressive 950 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,440 2025 marketing strategy. And I'm, I'm just, I'm just 951 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,400 looking forward to how many lives we can touch. 952 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,440 You know, right now our 4F system is in over 2000 practices 953 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,000 across the country and reaches about 2 million people a year. 954 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,240 I want to get to 50. Let's go I. 955 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,680 Love it. I love it man. 956 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,200 And where are you located again? Well, we're virtual, but my 957 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,360 look, my I live in Saint Pete Beach, Florida. 958 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,760 Nice, nice. You work people all over, I 959 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,640 mean, I guess all over the. World. 960 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,320 Yeah, We got clients in every country, Yeah. 961 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,320 Awesome man, I love it. I love it. 962 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,560 Well, I would definitely link out, make these people to find 963 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,720 you. Genuinely enjoy this 964 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,040 conversation, man. I like, yeah. 965 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,880 Me too, man. You're kindred spirit, bro. 966 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,360 I listen. I just want you to keep going 967 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,960 out there, changing lives, inspiring people. 968 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,200 That's what you were tasked to do. 969 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,000 That's why you've got the OCD, bro. 970 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,360 You've got the that's what you're that's what you're meant 971 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,440 to do. You're doing what you're meant 972 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,080 to do. Yeah, and likewise, man, 973 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,560 likewise. It's cool to see people that are 974 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,200 also, I mean, like there's not a whole lot of people that I've 975 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,520 talked to that have literally done and gone to the exact same 976 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,560 thing my mind's going through. So it's cool whenever I connect 977 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,960 with someone that is. So hats off. 978 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,880 To each other, yeah, man. Well, you're, you're gifted and 979 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,280 highly favored, man. It's a gift. 980 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,080 Remember that. 100% Well if I'm ever in Florida, which I am 981 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,600 quite frequently. What do you lift in man? 982 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,320 You, I we will absolutely. I'll I'll shoot you my phone 983 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,680 number. We'll get a rocking whenever you 984 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,200 get down here A. 100% well appreciate events, keep killing 985 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,840 man, keep changing lives and keep in touch. 986 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,840 Thanks man, you too. See you bud later.