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Well, hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com 

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and today we've got special 
guest Scott Everson on the line 

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and we dive deep into his health
journey. 

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He has undergone quite the 
transformation. 

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He lost a ton of weight and an 
unhealthy weight due to 

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autoimmune conditions. 
He found his health through the 

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carnivore diet and several other
interventions such as fasting 

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and rewiring his brain. 
Very, very interesting 

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discussion. 
We talked quite a bit about 

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entrepreneurship, family, 
parenting, what to find, what 

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what to do in life, to find a 
will to live. 

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Very, very insightful 
conversation. 

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He's also going to be hosting at
Meat Stock later this year. 

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So we talked about that 
conference and retreat. 

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Very exciting stuff. 
I'll be there as well. 

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So would love to see any of 
y'all there that are interested.

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We're going to have a booth. 
There's going to be some amazing

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speakers. 
I wanted to bring him on the 

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podcast and just talk about what
that's going to look like. 

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But truly, truly enjoy the 
conversation. 

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Scott's doing some amazing work.
He's changing the lives of 

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countless innovation visuals. 
He's got an incredibly inspiring

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story and I know I've got no 
doubt that you will take 

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something from it so that 
further delay, sit back, relax, 

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enjoy the conversation with 
Scott and we are live Scott. 

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How are you, brother? 
Good. 

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How you doing man? 
I'm good, I'm good. 

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We met for the first time at, I 
believe Hack your health this 

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past year, 2024 now and we got 
started talking about a 

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conference you got coming up. 
But you've got a super 

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interesting back story too, man.
So I kind of want to start with 

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there before we even dive into 
the the conference events coming

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up. 
Yeah. 

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Like are you relating to health 
wise you mean? 

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I'm assuming so you had quite 
the information yourself. 

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Oh yeah, man, it's it's been a 
wild ride. 

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It's almost like it feels like 
it's been a lifetime of health 

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issues. 
I'm going on 9 years now of like

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the health where the health, 
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the fan for me. 
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it's not just like one thing. 
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what started off my health 
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It was very like multi 
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But I can really pinpoint, you 
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bad was I was taking 
psychotropic drugs for a pain 

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condition I had actually. 
So I was taking like a SNRI 

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drug. 
It worked on pain. 

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With that pain came, you know, 
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with pain conditions, you know, 
came with a lot of anxiety and 

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depression on top of that. 
So my body was just riddled with

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inflammation, you know, and kind
of like you actually back in the

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day, you know, I used to own a 
gym in Toronto and bodybuilding 

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used to be in my life. 
And when I got really sick, I 

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had to stop and I lost about 85 
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recovered most of that weight. 
But, but I wasn't really working

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out right. 
I, I don't think I was really 

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pushed my body in bad ways. 
And you know, I was kind of one 

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of those guys that I've always 
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responder. 
So I could kind of get away with

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eating more crap than a lot of 
guys could and still look pretty

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good. 
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like, my joints were hurting me 
and my back was killing me and 

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my whole body was inflamed as 
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tendonitis and everything, 
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So and there was course of 
antibiotics. 

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But the thing that really did me
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benzodiazepine. 
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that stuff, it was, you know, I 
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having seizures and it just led 
to the worst nervous system 

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dysregulation of all time. 
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Like, you know, a lot of people 
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airspace and Jordan Peterson, 
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trying to get off of benzos and 
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because the media would be like,
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It's like, no, there's no, it 
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addiction. 
It's dependency. 

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There's a huge difference, 
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And that's, that's the way it is
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it, you know, antidepressants 
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anxiety medications, like your 
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because when you try getting off
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like you could die from that. 
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you just like try cold Turkey 
alcohol, you know, but that 

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unfortunately that's what I did.
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these meds, I didn't really know
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died. 
I was like in the hospital 

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having seizures and I was like 
shaking uncontrollably for weeks

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on end. 
And, and it really led to 8 

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years of, you know, just extreme
anxiety and depression and 

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feeling like somebody was 
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years on end. 
And you know, it's kind of bed 

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bound and wasting away. 
I got down to 110 lbs. 

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My gut didn't didn't work 
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Like pretty much I was in like 
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you know? 
And when you got on those drugs,

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when you got on the 
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or after you had lost the £85. 
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that I got on the drugs before I
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Gotcha. 
I mean, I, it's not like I was 

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dealing with health issues 
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You know, I had like dozens of 
kidney stones and you know, I, I

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did have like a little bit of 
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I had my pain condition that I 
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horrific, but I didn't know what
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the meds. 
That's when all hell broke loose

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and I've never recovered since. 
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neurological damage, nervous 
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damaged, you know, and then 
malnourishment was was 

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horrendous. 
You know, like I said, I went 

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from about 100 and I went from 
about 195 lbs to about 110 lbs. 

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And it wasn't like you went 
overweight 195 lbs like you 

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were. 
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It was, it was a good weight. 
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flux in and out. 
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more weight on my face and 
whatever. 

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But like, I was pretty built, 
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And people almost think like I'm
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they see me now and I just kind 
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you know, kind of geeky guy, You
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like a guy who does your taxes 
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But I, I was always like kind of
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Like I was always in the sports.
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teams. 
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a lot of like contact sports. 
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I was really in the bodybuilding
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All that went to to crap, you 
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up, so I had to find other 
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So it's a little bit more 
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You know, there's a lot of other
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with my health issues, but those
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Any idea with the catalyst for 
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starting from was that what was 
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everything, Yeah. 
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find in our space, a lot of 
people are kind of looking for 

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sexy answers. 
I don't have one of those 

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answers for you. 
I I, I'll be honest with you. 

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I think I was just was under too
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And it wasn't, you know, it was 
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I just moved cities. 
I was buying a house. 

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I was, you know, I changed up my
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I started up my gym, I was 
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kid. 
I had like a bunch of deaths, 

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you know, like, so there was 
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bad stress, but stress 
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And I think the stress is just 
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And then also the physical 
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body from just overworking out, 
you know, it's constant, you 

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know, and I just, I couldn't 
handle it, especially with my 

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diet at the time, my diet was 
garbage, you know, like I was 

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really in the bodybuilding 
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I could get away with it 
somewhat, but you know, I was, I

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was eating like Subway and, you 
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you know, frigging Red Bulls all
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And, you know, just wasn't a 
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So, so in a way, you know, I, I 
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anything because I think that 
going through all that stuff and

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really I really had to hit like 
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everything in my life, like 
mentally, physically, change my 

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diet, change my lifestyle and 
it's brought me to where I am. 

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So I'm very thankful that, you 
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all that hell and I'm still 
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But I think that I'm on a pretty
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What was it like from an 
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Because I would imagine if you, 
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as the athletic guy, you know, 
you're 195 lbs, a lot of muscle 

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in your frame, then you shrink 
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You know, you own a gym like 
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psyche. 
I would imagine like your your 

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identity in the health and 
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Yeah, you know, it's, it's funny
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knew in the fitness world from, 
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like when I was at my peak, you 
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bodybuilding and, you know, 
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and that. 
I look great. 

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And there are people that I saw 
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I could give you one story. 
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sort of this reunion of people 
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was living and I had my gym and 
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also a trainer and I hadn't seen
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I didn't see him in 6-7 years, 
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bodybuilding type days. 
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worst. 
He didn't even recognize me when

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he saw me. 
He's just like, he didn't even 

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say hi to me. 
Like he just walked by me. 

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He's like, I'm like, hey, dude. 
He's like, hey, he's like Scott.

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I'm like, yeah, like people 
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know, it was just complete, 
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Like my everything changed. 
My whole face changed, like 

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everything changed, you know? 
So it was really hard for me 

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because it was, I was, you know,
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good thing. 
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how I looked. 
I was very kind of, I don't 

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know, I was kind of just really 
into material stuff and I really

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cared about, you know, I had 
like a lot of ego based on how I

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looked and stuff like that. 
And I was very immature at the 

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time. 
You know, I care a lot about 

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like picking up girls and that 
kind of thing, right? 

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I mean, that's kind of what 
you're like and you're kind of, 

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you know, 20s and, you know, 
early 30s and that kind of 

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stuff. 
But but when I got sick, it kind

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of changed my mind set on 
everything and I really had to 

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do like a deep dive spiritually 
and love start actually like 

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loving myself and not having 
that be dependent on how I 

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looked and having my old like 
ego wrapped up and like how much

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I could lift and this and that 
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I do miss those days quite a 
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But I, you know, I never like to
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and stuff. 
Hopefully one day. 

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But but, you know, I think when 
when you're someone who's, who's

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like really driven, you just 
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So it wasn't like a a really 
hard thing, but I think it was 

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kind of hard just maintaining 
relationships, you know, people 

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in the gym space. 
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didn't even want anything to do 
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Like I didn't want to talk to 
anybody who's in the fitness 

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world. 
I didn't want to, I didn't want 

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to look at things like it's 
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passionate about, you know, but 
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was watching TV and like Pumping
Iron came on or something, I 

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would turn it off, you know, I 
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you know, because it's too 
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reminded of that and not be 
being able to, to do that 

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anymore. 
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over it. 
So I'm OK with it now. 

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But yeah. 
Was there like a particular 

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moment where you hit, you know, 
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just kind of like this 
compounding, you know, residual 

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lingering effect? 
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was a time when I guess, you 
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kind of really bad bound. 
I was really literally like 

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chronic fatigue syndrome and 
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the morning. 
And, and I think that's when you

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really find out who your real 
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of alone and, you know, my 
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well with my wife anymore and 
stuff like that. 

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So I think just kind of lying in
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ceiling and feel like you don't 
have any purpose in life. 

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You don't have anyone. 
And that was that was rock 

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bottom. 
Yeah, that was that was bad. 

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Especially when you're having 
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And I think eventually when you 
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like the best thing in the world
because, you know, you have two 

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directions you could take. 
You either just lie down and die

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or you fight like hell to get 
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And you have to learn things and
you have to learn about yourself

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and you have to really develop 
grit. 

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You know, I think you really, I 
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it, like guys like you, like 
Sean Baker, you know, he's just,

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he's one of those guys just born
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someone like me, you just have 
to really get knocked on your 

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ass to, to, to develop that 
grit, you know, and, and dealing

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with pain and suffering and, and
coming out of that and, you 

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know, rising from the ashes kind
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it was, it was a long journey to
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being strong enough to like do 
the research and, and learn 

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about all these like healing 
modalities and diet and 

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lifestyle and everything I'm 
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And it, it took a lot of work, 
you know, a lot of work and a 

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lot of time and perseverance. 
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it started getting better. 
I never thought the day would 

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come, but like being able to go 
to accurate health. 

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I mean, that's kind of was even 
like the beginning of this year.

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I was, I was, I was at a point 
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badly that, you know, like like 
last January, this time last 

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year, like it would have been 
hard for me to imagine going to 

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something like accurate health, 
but something kind of shifted, 

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you know, probably around March 
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And then I started going to all 
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And so it's really cool to be 
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And, and, you know, when you are
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it's like your appreciation for 
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like unreal, you know, totally. 
Just to go to some event like 

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Hacker Health to me was like, it
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the world. 
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So what was the the time of like
when when you hit rock bottom 

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was that? 
What year was that? 

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Man, I would probably say like 
2019 to like 2021. 

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So that's when you had lost all 
that weight and yeah, you were 

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kind of getting back into the 
groove because I saw you at 

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Hacker Health. 
That would have been in 2024. 

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I was still very light then too.
I've I've put on like about 15 

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lbs since then. 
I mean I'm still like you know, 

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but at Hack your health I was 
probably like 120 something 

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pounds from 110. 
Like I gained some weight back. 

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Now I'm closer to 140. 
So like it's just gradual, 

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right? 
Like it's just taking time. 

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But, but, but yeah, no, I think,
I think like, I don't know, that

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first year of COVID was really 
hard because I was kind of 

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losing my gym business. 
And that's a whole other story. 

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I don't really want to get into 
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getting locked down and the gym 

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business wasn't going so well 
anymore. 

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And I kind of had to like get 
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I had to get rid of the the 
business and get rid of my lease

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and stuff. 
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without a job for a while and I 
had just had my daughter and we 

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moved to Florida. 
Yeah, it was a lot. 

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Again, it was just a lot for me 
to handle being that sick. 

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And I at that point, I just 
figure I was like, I'm going to 

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die. 
Like there's, there's no hope 

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left, you know, And, and yeah, 
actually is when I hit rock 

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bottom that I got turned on to 
the carnivore diet and. 

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What was the objection to that? 
Well, the introduction to that, 

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well, I think it was kind of 
twofold. 

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So I was in, I was on vacation 
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Jordan Peterson. 
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Jordan Peterson lived in my 
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He's like literally 2 streets 
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who he was, so I wouldn't have 
recognized him. 

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And somebody told me about him. 
I like read his book and then I 

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started seeing him around the 
neighborhood and, and then I 

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started really getting into his 
work and, and, and then I heard 

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about carnivore and, and I 
didn't really quite convince me 

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yet until somebody, I was like 
on a Facebook chat group and 

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somebody it's, you know, render 
whole story about, about how 

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they had autoimmune conditions 
and they had, you know, they 

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were in pain and their gut 
didn't work and blah, blah, 

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blah. 
And they went on the carnivore 

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diet and within like two months 
they were like 80% better or 

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something, you know, So I was 
like, well, shit, you know, I've

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been on a vegan diet. 
I've tried like everything. 

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I went on like an old juice diet
for like 10 days. 

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And I was like, you know, 
carnivore diet should come 

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pretty easy to me, you know, So 
I tried it and like almost 

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immediately something's changed.
Like it was immediate, like the 

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pain got better almost like 
within two or three days. 

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And I've come to since learn 
that was oxalates and 

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silicylates. 
Those two anti nutrients really 

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did a number on my pain, you 
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and, and I know that for a fact,
you know, some people kind of 

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guess on this stuff. 
But you know, if I ever tried 

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reintroducing those two and two 
anti nutrients, the pain would 

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just come right back. 
And then when I stopped them, 

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literally within 2-3 days the 
pain's gone pretty much is gone 

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completely, which is unreal to 
me because I was dealing with 

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this pain for like a decade. 
It was horrific. 

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Did you ever notice anything 
like oxalate shedding? 

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Like some people when they get 
off and they'll see it like 

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start coming through their 
pores. 

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Not through my pores, but you 
know, other symptoms would start

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amping up again. 
Sometimes my pain would come 

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back a little bit. 
So, you know, I would, I would 

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reintroducing oxalates to 
prevent dumping. 

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I don't want to bore people to 
death because people don't you 

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know, I think if you want to 
listen to Sally Norton 

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interviews, you could listen to 
those. 

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But. 
But yeah, I'd have to be very 

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careful because you know, if I 
some people be like, oh, trying 

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some dark chocolate, but if you 
eat dark chocolate, like if I 

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would sort of introduce too much
oxalates back into my pain 

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condition would come back and 
I'd start peeing like the 

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racehorse again. 
But yeah, I couldn't tolerate 

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any anti nutrients. 
Like plants were just a no go 

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for me. 
I didn't realize that till I 

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went on the carnivore diet. 
But then there were like other 

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things that I still had issues 
with. 

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The gut issues were, the gut 
issues were always lingering, 

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the acid reflux, the pain, even 
with carnivore. 

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I think it's because, you know, 
I just wasn't used to eating 

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meat. 
My body wasn't used to the fat 

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and all that stuff. 
So then I had to employ like 

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fast fasting and really working 
on my stress as well. 

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So that's when brain retraining 
coming in started coming in and 

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then I sort of had to you know, 
some people it's like they could

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just do one thing, they just do 
carnivore and like everything 

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gets better. 
For me it was like very multi 

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factorial. 
I had to introduce like 7 things

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before my health started to 
really come back online, you 

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know so. 
Notice like when you went to the

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doctor, like did you get like a 
formal diagnosis? 

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Were they recommending anything 
apart from the pharma 

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interventions? 
Like what was? 

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What was the the dialogue you 
were getting from them? 

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Well, now that I mean, the 
doctors are clueless, man. 

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I mean, they, it was, you know, 
I, I would do like certain tests

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and certain things would come up
like I was always kind of 

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anemic, you know, I mean, like I
said, I was littered with kidney

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stones. 
I had, I had like severe chronic

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gastritis. 
So I mean, there's like things I

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was diagnosed with, but nothing 
like nothing like dye or 

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anything really. 
I mean, I, I guess like the 

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worst thing is I had some kidney
damage. 

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There was a point where I was 
kind of like in mild chronic 

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kidney disease. 
That was probably one of the 

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scariest things for me, 'cause 
you know, they say there's like 

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no cure to that, but my kidney 
function is never it's, it 

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hasn't gone down since like now 
it's kind of just like on the, 

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on the high end of being low, 
like it's not optimal, but it's,

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it hasn't degraded since. 
And now it's been like, I don't 

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know, maybe six years since I 
was diagnosed with that. 

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So I think that when I start 
cutting out the sugars and all 

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the bullshit they could, the, 
the kidney stuff started getting

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a lot better. 
And I'm, I'm assuming probably 

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having hundreds of kidney stones
didn't help as well. 

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So I'm assuming maybe that's 
probably what set off the kidney

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disease. 
But but no I haven't had a 

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kidney stone since I cut out the
oxalates. 

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I haven't that what I mean by 
that is I even had a new kidney 

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stones form. 
I've passed tons but but no new 

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kidney stones so. 
Nice. 

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When you when you were telling 
your dog, like when you went 

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back to follow appointments and 
they're seeing, you know, 

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profound improvement and you're 
talking to them about these 

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interventions that you're doing 
on your, are they like just 

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scratching their head or what 
are they saying? 

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No, dude, it's it, there was 
like no response, you know, like

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that, That's the thing that and,
and and it's like, you know, 

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it's, it's kind of wild in a way
with me. 

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But then you hear cases of 
people who have like cancer, you

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know, they've done like 
metabolic therapy, literally 

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sent their cancer into 
remission. 

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I don't, I don't want to say the
C word like cure, but have sent 

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their cancer into remission 
through metabolic therapy. 

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And their doctors like aren't 
even asking questions. 

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Like if I was a doctor, I'd be 
like, what the heck did you do? 

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Right? 
Like, what did you do? 

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Tell me more about this 
metabolic therapy, right? 

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And the doctor will kind of just
tell these people it's like, oh,

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you're, you're very lucky or 
something like that. 

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And it was kind of the same 
response from my doctors. 

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You know, I tell them like now 
I'm on a high fat carnivore 

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diet. 
You know, I haven't had fruits 

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and vegetables or anything green
in, like, years, You know what I

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mean? 
Like, and they just like, it's 

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almost like they're just 
dumbfounded. 

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Like, they like, they don't even
want to know about it. 

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They're just like, oh, OK. 
And they'll be like, yeah. 

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But I think long term, that's a 
really bad idea, Scott. 

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Like, maybe it's helping with 
your symptoms, but like 10 years

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from now, like, you're going to 
drop out of a heart attack. 

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Like your cholesterol is through
the roof and you know. 

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Yeah, see, I've never understood
or resonate with that argument. 

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It's like if I feel light years 
better doing what I'm doing now,

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it makes no logical sense to me 
that that would result in a 

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downtrend in 10 years. 
Like if if it's making this 

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00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,280
meaningful difference now that 
that's going to compound more so

443
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,760
than the negative. 
Yeah, I would always sort of 

444
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,760
question the back. 
I would say, OK, well, your your

445
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,880
belief is that high cholesterol 
means that I'm sick, you know, 

446
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,440
my heart health is bad. 
So I'd be like, OK, well, how 

447
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,120
about we do a battery of tests 
then and we'll repeat them every

448
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,720
every few years and we'll see 
how my high cholesterol affects 

449
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760
me, right? 
So let's go in for a calcium 

450
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,680
artery scan every three years. 
See what comes with that, right.

451
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Always comes back 00, you know, 
and let's, let's do other heart 

452
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,360
tests. 
They all come back perfect, you 

453
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,160
know, and my anemia is better. 
My I don't have anemia anymore. 

454
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,960
Oh, that's weird because I had 
anemia for what, a decade before

455
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,520
I went carnivore. 
Isn't that weird? 

456
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,720
You know, like, it's, it's when 
you start questioning them on 

457
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,160
things and they're kind of like,
oh, like they don't really have 

458
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,480
answers for it. 
It's like, OK, well, I've, I've 

459
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,480
been on a mostly carnivore diet 
now for four years, and I've 

460
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,160
probably eaten more fatty red 
meat than someone could eat in 

461
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,560
10 lifetimes, seeing as how 
that's what I eat every single 

462
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,920
day. 
Like, you know, when's this 

463
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800
heart disease going to creep up?
Yeah, exactly. 

464
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Right, So my doctor, my doctor's
like starting to kind of come on

465
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,520
board a little bit. 
Like I've sent them information 

466
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,840
from like Doctor Vedia and other
doctors. 

467
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,080
And I think and like, you know, 
I've told him about Ken Berry 

468
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,680
and I think he's starting to 
come around a little bit, you 

469
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,400
know, but I'm, I don't really go
to the doctor. 

470
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,320
I'm more use them for like tests
and stuff if I need them done. 

471
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,280
But, you know, as far as doctors
giving me advice, I'm like, no. 

472
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,040
Totally no. 
You mentioned you doing like 7 

473
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,920
different interventions before 
you started seeing results. 

474
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,320
So carnivore obviously been 1. 
You mentioned kind of like the 

475
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,040
fasting what? 
What else did you throw into the

476
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,360
mix? 
Yeah, fasting has helped a lot. 

477
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,680
Just bring down the 
inflammation, brain retraining. 

478
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,920
I started a commute. 
It's called Wired for Healing. 

479
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840
I'm not trying to plug it, but 
it is something that helped me a

480
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,200
lot. 
And that's really learning 

481
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,000
about, you know, using your 
brain to heal your body. 

482
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,000
You know, I think everyone's 
sort of looking at, you know, 

483
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,800
what can they do gut wise to, to
improve their health. 

484
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,040
But a lot of people overlook 
stress. 

485
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,280
I think chronic stress in this 
modern, modern age that we live 

486
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,880
in is one of the root causes, 
one of the biggest, if not the 

487
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,800
biggest root cause of, of 
chronic disease. 

488
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,040
So really, you know, employing 
sort of nervous system 

489
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,720
regulation techniques, getting 
out of that constant fight or 

490
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,880
flight mode, you know, and a lot
of times it might not even be 

491
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,280
chronic stress from like, you 
know, your usual suspects like 

492
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,360
work or whatever, or marriage or
whatever it might be. 

493
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,360
It could be just trauma, right? 
Maybe a trauma when you were a 

494
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,400
kid. 
Like let's work through that. 

495
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,960
Let's work on regulating your 
nervous system, you know, so 

496
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,880
that could be a lot of like 
different types of brain 

497
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,280
retraining techniques. 
Just having gratitude in your 

498
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:50,080
life, you know, deep, deep 
breathing, meditation, 

499
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280
visualizations. 
I mean, I started doing all that

500
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,640
stuff and it helped me 
tremendously because my nervous 

501
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,440
system was always an OverDrive, 
you know, especially when I was 

502
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600
like really down and down and 
out. 

503
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,880
What else work out. 
My circadian health was a, was a

504
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,520
big factor for me as well. 
That's kind of like one of those

505
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,720
gradual things. 
But I really think that, you 

506
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,600
know, if you're sleeping 
properly and you're, you're, you

507
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,880
know, you're, you're more 
balanced with your hormones. 

508
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,320
I mean, obviously that's going 
to bring down a lot of 

509
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,560
inflammation as well. 
So, you know, I started going to

510
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,800
bed a lot earlier. 
I wasn't staying up till like 

511
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,760
2:00 in the morning anymore. 
I wasn't watching TV at midnight

512
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,760
and you know, I was waking up, I
was getting out, getting some 

513
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,240
sun and trying to like sort of 
habit stack at the same time. 

514
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,720
So I kind of like, you know, sit
in the sun and, and maybe do a 

515
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,000
meditation and then go for a 
walk after and you know, maybe 

516
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,760
have like a healthy carnivore 
breakfast after that, you know, 

517
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,520
And I found that like when I 
start like learning about all 

518
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,840
these tools, like I started 
trying to my make my days like 

519
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,280
as productive as possible, as 
like an investment in my health.

520
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,520
That's how I saw every day. 
You know, it's like, OK, how can

521
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
I invest in my health today for 
the future? 

522
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,760
Like I might not feel any 
different doing it that day, but

523
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,640
you know, I'm looking at myself 
a year from now. 

524
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560
What what would I tell somebody 
else to do? 

525
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760
Right? 
So there's that. 

526
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,720
I think like community is a, is 
a big one that's overlooked. 

527
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,840
You know, I think, you know, 
it's, it's one of those things 

528
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600
like if you have community, it's
not just like hanging out with 

529
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,840
friends, you know, talking about
the weather, talking about 

530
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,520
sports, I mean, all that's great
too. 

531
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,720
I, I just love people in 
general, But when you're 

532
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,120
actually hanging with like like 
minded people, it's, it's, it's 

533
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,160
such a game changer, man. 
You know, like, I just, I love 

534
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,000
people in this world. 
And I, I think like carnivore is

535
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,520
kind of like a gateway drug into
like all sorts of other, you 

536
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,240
know, things that people are 
interested in, whether it be 

537
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,640
like politics or, you know, just
just common interests, you know,

538
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,600
so. 
I feel like, so when you have a 

539
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,240
community, when you have 
excitement about something in 

540
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,840
life, one risk of ailment is 
significantly subsided. 

541
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920
I mean, like, I never get sick. 
Like literally I've been sick 

542
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,960
twice in my entire life. 
And I think so much of that, 

543
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600
yes, everything I'm doing from a
lifestyle standpoint, from my 

544
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,760
training, nutrition most 
definitely helps tangibly. 

545
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,120
But I think honestly the main 
factor for me is that I just 

546
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,760
have a good headspace and I just
feel excited about life and that

547
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,400
I'll never get sick. 
And in doing so, I never get 

548
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,080
sick. 
Yeah, man, that's and that's 

549
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,720
another thing. 
It's like, you know, it's, it's 

550
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,840
funny like when you have like a 
coach like that and people are 

551
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,440
coaching you on how to get 
better. 

552
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440
It's like I never had any 
coaches that told me. 

553
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,520
It's like, hey, Scott, like 
maybe you should like, you know,

554
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,280
get out and have more community 
or maybe you should, you know, 

555
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920
work on your stress more. 
It's always like just, they're 

556
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,200
always looking for like quick 
fixes, you know, here's some 

557
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,560
pills you could take and, you 
know, start working out more 

558
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920
diet or whatever. 
But it was never like, you know,

559
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,800
just kind of just common sense 
stuff, you know, community and, 

560
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,520
and, you know, just having fun 
really and, and, and having 

561
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040
purpose in your life. 
You know, it's like, I was 

562
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,480
talking to Doctor kilts the 
other day and I'll tell you, 

563
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,000
doctor Kilts has the best 
steaks. 

564
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,600
So we were in steak and, and he 
said he goes, you know, I'm 

565
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920
never going to retire. 
He's like, I don't care as long 

566
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,000
as I still have a brain foot 
that's functioning. 

567
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,680
Like I'm going to be working. 
Even if I'm like 100 years old, 

568
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,960
I'll never be that guy sitting 
on a beach. 

569
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,320
And like, I'm not judging. 
If, if that's what you want, 

570
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,520
that's, you know, that's fine. 
Teach their own, whatever. 

571
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,680
But I can't be that guy, man. 
I, I don't know if it's like 

572
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,400
just my, my, you know, attention
deficit disorder or whatever. 

573
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Like I'm just, I'm always 
someone who has to have 

574
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,320
something going. 
Like I told you before, like 

575
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,160
when I hit rock bottom, it's 
when I had nothing going on. 

576
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,800
I have nothing to wake up to and
be excited about. 

577
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,040
And the cool thing about this 
community is like, you could see

578
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,520
where we're going, man. 
We're making so much progress in

579
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,560
our message. 
You know, like now we've entered

580
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,600
in the political sphere where we
have a guy who's like, going to 

581
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,960
be potentially the head of 
Health and Human services who's 

582
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,320
learned stuff from our 
community. 

583
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,400
Like he's in talks with guys in 
the carnivore space now. 

584
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,440
He's promoting tallow that came 
from our work. 

585
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,880
You know what I mean? 
It's this, this is entering into

586
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,560
a whole new realm now. 
And I think it's just going to 

587
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,280
get bigger and bigger and 
bigger. 

588
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,800
I see all sorts of celebrities 
like Chafee was telling me that 

589
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,840
like Jason Statham had him over 
at his house and, you know, and 

590
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,520
Joe Rogan is like, you know, 
contacting carnivores a lot more

591
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,560
often. 
And, and now he's putting them 

592
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560
in touch with it. 
They're friends to learn about 

593
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Carnivore and it's starting to 
enter into the mainstream now, 

594
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
you know, and that I really 
tribute to guys like you and, 

595
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,680
and Sean Baker and people who 
have been coaches and, and 

596
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,000
really like inspire people, you 
know, So it's, it's a very 

597
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,360
exciting space and it's a very 
exciting movement to to be part 

598
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,880
of. 
Yeah, I agree. 

599
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,080
I feel like for that, from like 
a societal standpoint, we are at

600
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,760
this like this very, very 
apparent turning point, tipping 

601
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,400
point, whatever you want to call
it, where there's going to be 

602
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,040
like an implosion if we continue
to follow down the trajectory 

603
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,200
that we have up to this point. 
So there has to be some change. 

604
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,880
And I feel like when you return 
to what has worked for us as a 

605
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,920
species prior to the industrial 
revolution and everything that's

606
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,880
happened since, it just makes 
sense that it would, you know, 

607
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960
kind of point to a ketogenic 
carnivore way of living where 

608
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,920
people plug more into a local 
community, people sit around a 

609
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,760
campfire and eat meat. 
Like as simple as that sounds, 

610
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,040
that's not a broken system. 
That is a thriving system. 

611
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. 
Like I'd love to get your take 

612
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,320
on that actually. 
Like, you know, so I'm, I'm 

613
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,400
someone like, you know, there's,
there's a lot of people in 

614
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,719
carnivore space are starting to 
feed their kids carnivore. 

615
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,159
And this is maybe for a whole 
other discussion, but you know, 

616
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,960
I, I don't do that with my kids.
I respect people's decisions to 

617
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,320
do that. 
But you know, I'm, I don't know,

618
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,920
I'm, I, I haven't given up on 
this idea that it like even as 

619
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,320
like a carnivore and I'm, I'm 
strict carnivore. 

620
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,840
I haven't given up on this idea 
that you could still be healthy 

621
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,639
and have like different types of
diets, you know, and maybe I'm 

622
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:37,600
wrong on that. 
I don't know. 

623
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,719
What's what's your take on that?
Do you know who Doctor Bill 

624
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,760
Schindler is? 
Yeah. 

625
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,679
Yeah, great guy. 
Amazing friend of mine, actually

626
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,920
having him out for one of our 
retreats in February. 

627
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,000
But he does, you know, ancestral
cooking, you know, using flour 

628
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,400
and grains and stuff still, but 
all how it used to be done. 

629
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,240
And I think if you do it that 
way, you can certainly 

630
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,480
incorporate more of a mixed diet
without I'll effect. 

631
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120
But like for me, you know, I 
haven't done that. 

632
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,240
Like I'm ketogenic, like I'm I'm
pretty much eating all animal 

633
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,120
based foods. 
Like I can probably count the 

634
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,640
number of time I've had 
vegetables in the past five 

635
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,520
months on less than 5 fingers. 
You know, it's I don't eat that 

636
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,240
much vegetation, but I'll have 
some. 

637
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,480
Plus we'll have like the keto 
brook. 

638
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,160
So I don't, you know, claim to 
be a strict carnivore, but 99% 

639
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,600
of what I eat is pretty much 
carnivore. 

640
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:27,240
But like I look at, you know, my
life. 

641
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,080
I've been ketogenic now for 10 
years without deviation. 

642
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,920
My wife has been ketogenic for 
the past, you know, eight or 

643
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,160
nine years. 
And she has gone, you know, she 

644
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,960
was keto all throughout her 
pregnancy. 

645
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,800
And then our son, who's now 2 
1/2, he's been ketogenic, you 

646
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,960
know, since birth. 
She breastfed him for the first,

647
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,120
you know, several year and a 
half, I guess. 

648
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,720
And he's in, like, the upper 
growth metrics across all the 

649
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,640
charts. 
And he's, you know, growing and 

650
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,360
thriving. 
And he's been following a strict

651
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,280
ketogenic diet as well. 
So I certainly don't think you 

652
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,440
have to have those foods, but if
you do incorporate them, I think

653
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,600
in doing so via the modality 
that you know, Bill, Bill 

654
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Schindler does, for instance, 
would be the way to do it. 

655
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,600
Yeah, man, you know, it's funny 
you should say that. 

656
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,160
Like I wonder we we should do 
like some kind of study on on 

657
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,080
like kids of like carnivore 
parents, you know. 

658
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,880
Well, my ex-wife is a doctor. 
She's not carnivore. 

659
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,920
She's on a horrific diet. 
But I think I've kind of turned 

660
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,680
her on a little bit to feeding 
the kids healthier when she has 

661
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,800
them. 
But when my kids are with me, 

662
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,240
it's all like grass fed meat 
mostly. 

663
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,920
And, and you know, they eat some
fruit and stuff like that too. 

664
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,200
And on special occasions, like 
I'm not, you know, I'm not 

665
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,760
trying not to be crazy about it,
but like, you know, if it's 

666
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,960
their birthday or something or 
like Halloween, I let them 

667
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:49,120
splurge on some candy and stuff.
But, but, but, yeah, but my kids

668
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:56,600
are both in the like 90th 
percentile for, I guess their 

669
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,120
physical attributes, you know, 
for height and weight. 

670
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,560
And they're scoring very high on
like, you know, on, on their, 

671
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360
you know, I guess for mental 
acuity type tests. 

672
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,400
And so, you know, I, I, I, I 
sort of like hear this across 

673
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,560
the board. 
And I don't know if there's 

674
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,320
something to, I mean, it makes 
sense, right? 

675
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,600
If you're on a, if you're on a 
really nutritious diet that 

676
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480
maybe your kids are going to be 
a bit smarter and more 

677
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,080
physically, you know. 
I mean, if you think about it 

678
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,200
like breast milk is relatively 
ketotic in nature. 

679
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,120
I mean, yes, there's some 
lactose in there, but it's, it's

680
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,280
pretty high fat. 
I mean, so you're, you're in all

681
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,360
sense and purposes, you're, 
you're basically ketogenic at 

682
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,440
birth. 
And then, you know, often times 

683
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,960
in our society, people, you 
know, gravitate towards like a 

684
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,720
formula fed, you know, bottle 
feeding or they'll start 

685
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,520
introducing like the pureed 
fruits and vegetables. 

686
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,520
But like, if you go down a baby 
aisle and you look at all the 

687
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,360
ingredients in those things, 
like they're far, far from ideal

688
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,600
nutritional profiles. 
Pure sugar, yeah. 

689
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,400
Pure sugar and there's not that 
many calories, there's hardly 

690
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,600
any quality fats or proteins in 
there. 

691
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,840
So if they're consuming that 
predominantly, they're not going

692
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,520
to be getting ample dietary fat 
and protein. 

693
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Whereas I look at my kid and 
like last night he ate, you 

694
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,960
know, he had a little bit of 
Brussels sprouts that were 

695
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,480
cooked in butter, but he had 
probably, you know, probably 

696
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,760
about 8 or 10 ounces of ground 
beef for his evening meal. 

697
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,600
But prior to that, you know, he 
had had eggs and bacon, you 

698
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,640
know, some whole fat yogurt that
day. 

699
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,960
Like, he's probably eating well 
over 1500 calories at 2 1/2 

700
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,360
years old, probably 35 lbs. 
He's eating more protein than a 

701
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040
lot of, you know, full grown 
adults do these days. 

702
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,920
And I've got no doubt that his 
brain development at this stage 

703
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,040
in his life is thriving as a 
result of that nutrition. 

704
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Yeah, he, he's going to be a 
monster when he's older. 

705
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,320
Yeah. 
I'm really like curious to see 

706
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,000
how, how these like carnivore or
like not carnivore but like 

707
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,600
animal based kids are going to 
like what they're going to look 

708
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,280
like when they're like 20, you 
know? 

709
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,600
Yeah, 100%. 
And a lot of people think that 

710
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,760
you have to have, you know, 
carbohydrates from a growth 

711
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,440
standpoint, especially in those,
you know, adolescent years. 

712
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,160
But in just anecdotally seeking 
or seeing him develop, like, I 

713
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,840
don't think that's the case at 
all, man. 

714
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
I mean, if you've got ample 
calories, ample fat and protein,

715
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,400
then then you're going to grow, 
you're going to thrive. 

716
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Like I don't feel like not 
having carbohydrates is hindered

717
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,920
him whatsoever. 
Yeah, well, I was. 

718
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,920
I went to none of it and I went 
kind of more on the outskirts, 

719
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,240
like in sort of the more tribal 
kind of ancestral areas of none 

720
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,760
of it where they were basically 
just like living in shacks in 

721
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,000
the middle of nowhere, right? 
And they basically lived off of 

722
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,280
hunting and fishing. 
And I mean, that was pretty 

723
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,320
common. 
I mean, they weren't eating like

724
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,920
they, they couldn't like there's
no, there's no grocery stores or

725
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,480
anything like that. 
So they weren't like, you know, 

726
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,160
there's really no plant foods. 
You know, sometimes they would 

727
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,200
store grains that they would get
from the summer and or they, 

728
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,600
they would go out somewhere and 
you know, someone, someone would

729
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,640
travel into the city to get some
grains or something like that 

730
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,760
for the winter. 
But it was like, I, I like I 

731
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,160
wasn't living with them. 
Just from what I saw, it was 

732
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,800
probably like 90 something 
percent just meat, you know, or 

733
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,280
fish or whatever it was. 
And so as far as I could tell, 

734
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,600
the kids were, and they were, 
the kids weren't like skinny 

735
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,880
kids. 
They were actually kind of 

736
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,840
chunky kids, you know? 
Yeah, but like a healthy, 

737
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,280
healthy fat, I mean you 
contrast. 

738
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,800
But like, healthy fat, Yeah. 
You know, I'll say this and, you

739
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,440
know, maybe I'm getting really 
in the weeds here and I hope I'm

740
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,000
not turning people off. 
But, you know, this whole like, 

741
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,600
azempic thing really drives me 
nuts. 

742
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,680
You know, I and and and it 
really kind of pissed me off. 

743
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,600
You know, I want to get too 
political, but it really pissed 

744
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,120
me off when I heard Elon Musk 
talking about how every, you 

745
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,880
know, Azempic is the greatest 
thing and he was taking Azempic 

746
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,280
and blah, blah, blah. 
And there's a bit of infighting 

747
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,920
with him in RFK. 
You know, I think Ozempic is a, 

748
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,400
is a horrific thing, horrific 
thing. 

749
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,480
I think it's a terrible thing 
because people say or, or people

750
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,040
are saying, well, Ozempic helps 
you lose weight. 

751
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,360
So that's going to help, you 
know, because you know, when 

752
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,640
you, when you're fat, it's 
associated with inflammation and

753
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,720
heart disease and type 2 
diabetes and stuff like that. 

754
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,560
I'm like, it has nothing to do 
with the fat. 

755
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,000
It has nothing to do with you 
being overweight. 

756
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,960
That's just, that's just a, a 
sort of a, something that that 

757
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,400
was derived from living 
unhealthily. 

758
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,160
You taking a pill does not get 
to the root of the problem. 

759
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,320
It's not going to get rid of 
your type 2 diabetes. 

760
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,120
It's not going to get rid of 
your inflammation. 

761
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,480
It's not going to get rid of 
your heart disease. 

762
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,200
In fact, you'll probably make it
worse because they'll probably 

763
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,440
encourage people to eat worse 
because they'll be like, oh 

764
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,000
look, now I could eat pop darts 
all day and take this drug and 

765
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,440
I'll, I'll still lose weight. 
I'll still look great. 

766
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,520
You know what I mean? 
Yeah, well, so. 

767
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,920
It has nothing to do with how 
big you are. 

768
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,880
Like it's ridiculous. 
Like it's what got you to be 

769
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,880
big. 
It's like I'm not talking about 

770
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,240
people who are 500 lbs here. 
Obviously that's not good, but 

771
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:16,080
I'm talking about people who 
are, you know, maybe your a 

772
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,160
woman who's 5 foot 8 and you 
weigh 160 lbs. 

773
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,760
Maybe you're a little bit 
overweight, right? 

774
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,440
You're kind of chunky or 
whatever it might be. 

775
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,280
But that's not unhealthy. 
What's unhealthy is maybe some 

776
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,800
of the things you're doing that 
made you gain that weight, 

777
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,240
right? 
So that discussion drives me 

778
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,640
nuts. 
I'm just like, no, no, no, 

779
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,120
Olympic is terrible. 
I don't care if you lose weight 

780
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,880
that makes it, the fact that 
you're losing weight on is epic 

781
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,680
probably means you're going to 
be even unhealthier because it's

782
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,880
just going to reinforce more 
unhealthy practices, you know? 

783
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,280
Yeah, you got always got to look
at things from like a like a 

784
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,600
habit forming standpoint, like 
what is the root underlying 

785
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,040
cause. 
And I feel like when you look at

786
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,040
it from a strictly physiological
standpoint, if the the efficacy 

787
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,680
of Ozympic is in that it causes 
people to eat less food, but it 

788
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,400
doesn't change the types of 
foods they are eating, they're 

789
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,680
inevitably going to lose a lot 
of lean tissue in the process. 

790
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,640
And then when they cycle off of 
that drug, then the weight they 

791
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,720
regain is going to be leaving 
them with a, you know, less in 

792
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,800
a, in a worse opposition because
they're going to have less 

793
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,160
muscular tissue than what they 
started with, which is going to 

794
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,280
have a negative implication on 
their overall metabolic rate. 

795
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,240
So it's it's not solving the 
underlying problem by any means.

796
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,520
I think it's just, I think it's 
so stupid and I think that drug 

797
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,000
should be banned and, you know, 
maybe in some severe cases, 

798
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,720
people who have severe like 
binge eating disorders and stuff

799
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,640
like that, maybe, you know, but 
the, the fact that it's becoming

800
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,000
so popular even in the carnivore
community, a lot of women now 

801
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,720
are starting to take Ozempic. 
And I'm just like, why? 

802
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,880
You know why? 
You know it's. 

803
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,200
It's, I mean, I mean you get a 
bodybuilding background, man. 

804
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,560
It's like people like when, when
people know the amount of time 

805
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,160
and effort involved in, you 
know, attaining the physique 

806
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,000
that they want, like that 
requires a lot. 

807
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,880
And when you when you look at it
very shortsightedly, like, OK, 

808
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,360
this is what I want and I want 
to get it as fast as possible, 

809
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,160
then people turn to those quick 
fixes. 

810
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,080
That's why you truly have to 
fall in love with the journey 

811
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,000
involved. 
Like nobody that wants to build 

812
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,080
a, you know, stage worthy 
physique plans to do so in a 

813
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,600
short period of time. 
And if they do, they're 

814
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,520
significantly more likely to 
turn to performance enhancing 

815
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,200
drugs and things of that nature.
But like, if you take this long 

816
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,720
game approach, you're in it for 
the long haul. 

817
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,600
And then you build the right 
habits and routines that carry 

818
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,400
your health, you know, further 
on. 

819
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,640
But like, people don't think 
like that. 

820
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,840
The masses don't think like. 
That's why you don't see the 

821
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,760
masses competing on a 
bodybuilding stage. 

822
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,080
The masses are, you know, 
chronically overweight and 

823
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,560
unhealthy. 
And they're going to turn to the

824
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,160
same things that led to that 
guilty pleasure that brought 

825
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,440
them to that place to begin 
with. 

826
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,240
So it's kind of like this 
negative feedback loop that 

827
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,760
people are just stuck in and 
will continue to stay stuck in 

828
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,440
until they change their mindset.
Oh, IA 100% agree. 

829
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,760
And you know, this is, you know,
I, I, I got to say, Robert, I 

830
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,360
should have warned you before 
you interview me that I, I do 

831
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,360
have severe ADHD and I always 
have, it's gotten better with 

832
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,280
carnivore, but I'm always 
veering into these different 

833
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,480
directions and I'm always like, 
you know, the, the, the wheels 

834
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,920
are always turning in my head. 
I have a question for you 

835
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,360
because you, you're obviously 
very successful guy. 

836
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,280
You're a successful coach. 
You've been successful in your 

837
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,040
bodybuilding. 
You've been successful as a, as 

838
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:48,600
a businessman and entrepreneur. 
Do you feel like, do you feel 

839
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,600
satisfied in your life or are 
you always kind of looking? 

840
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,360
I, I don't know how you, how you
put this. 

841
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Maybe satisfaction isn't the 
correct word for it, but do you 

842
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,880
always feel kind of pressure on 
on yourself to grow and to like,

843
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,040
you know, keep excelling and 
doing other things and, you 

844
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,120
know, I don't know, just being 
successful in your life. 

845
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,880
Do do you feel like you've kind 
of reached, you know, as someone

846
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,120
as successful as you are? 
This is why I'm asking this. 

847
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Do you feel like you've hit that
success that you've always 

848
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
wanted, or do you still feel 
like you have a long way to go? 

849
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,720
I have a long way to go. 
I I like to think of this in 

850
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:33,760
terms of I would like to think 
that I am content but never 

851
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,960
satisfied. 
Like I always want to get 

852
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,880
bigger, better, grow and 
improve, but especially now that

853
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,040
I have a kid and another on the 
way, I don't want my constant 

854
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:50,600
yearning for progress to come at
the cost of not being present 

855
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,520
with my my kids. 
So that's kind of created this 

856
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,200
desire to just be more, you 
know, content and happy and not 

857
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,520
necessarily find that what I 
have is enough because I don't 

858
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,200
really want to feel satisfied 
with what I have. 

859
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,720
I want to be content with where 
I'm at and be proud of where I'm

860
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,280
at, but always be growing and 
striving for more, but in a very

861
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,440
healthy way that allows me to 
appreciate where I'm at and how 

862
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,160
far I've come. 
And that's very hard for me to 

863
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,880
do because I don't take time to 
celebrate the wins when I 

864
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,680
achieve them because I'm always 
on to the next thing. 

865
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,760
Like I'm always starting 
business or reaching out or 

866
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,600
growing or trying to better. 
But I don't want that to come at

867
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,160
the cost of, you know, 
sacrificing the moment, the 

868
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,240
precious moment that we have in 
the here and now. 

869
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:46,840
Especially with my son, who 
could care less about, you know,

870
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,160
any financial number or 
bodybuilding achievement. 

871
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Like none of that stuff matters 
to him. 

872
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,120
He just wants to play with his 
slime on the kitchen table, you 

873
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,360
know? 
So like, I want to be able to. 

874
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,200
Do that I have a slime? 
Yes, the slime. 

875
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,840
I, I hate it when I give my kids
that stuff. 

876
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,480
I'm always like, what the hell 
is in that stuff? 

877
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200
I don't know. 
Well, they they make healthy 

878
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,200
ones now too. 
Which is. 

879
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,720
Good. 
Oh, they make healthy slime. 

880
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,000
OK, that's good. 
Unsinked, untainted slime. 

881
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,000
So, yeah, just stuff like that, 
like I, I try to use like having

882
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,760
kids for me has been a good, I 
don't know, I guess litmus test,

883
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,160
so to speak, to just ensure and 
bring me to the present moment. 

884
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,680
But now when he's not in the 
room, when I, when I'm in go 

885
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,960
mode, when I'm in 
entrepreneurial work mode, like 

886
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,240
I'm, I'm hungry, man. 
Like I'm hungry. 

887
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,400
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's why 
I'm asking, you know, because I,

888
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:45,040
you know, and I, I feel like I, 
I'm trying to be in the same 

889
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
boat where I'm trying to reach 
like some level of contentment 

890
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,840
now where things that I've like 
achieved, you know, and back in 

891
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,680
the day it was like bodybuilding
and, you know, trying to be an 

892
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,160
entrepreneur when I have my gym 
and, and doing like the little 

893
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,680
projects I'm doing now. 
But I don't know, like I also 

894
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,640
have a really hard time because 
I, I don't know if it's like 

895
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,320
something to prove or I always 
feel like I'm putting a lot of 

896
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,720
pressure on myself. 
You know, I'm never sort of 

897
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,720
content with where I'm at. 
And I'm always kind of thinking 

898
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:21,720
I was like, maybe maybe that's 
just the way it is with someone 

899
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,480
who's very driven like yourself.
And I, I think myself to some 

900
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
degree, I think it's varying 
degrees of that. 

901
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,400
But, you know, will you ever 
find that contentment, you know,

902
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,680
or is there always going to be 
that pressure of like, Oh my 

903
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,840
God, no, you can't, you can't be
happy. 

904
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,240
Always keep going, keep going. 
It's never enough, you know? 

905
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,080
Yeah. 
Well, I think, you know, it's on

906
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,680
how you perceive it as well. 
Like I like the idea of building

907
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,960
a life that I don't have to 
escape from, but if I'm doing 

908
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,760
that, then why would I feel the 
need to retire and sit on the 

909
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,000
beach and drink Mai Tais all 
day? 

910
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,760
Like that doesn't appeal to me. 
Like I want to work and die 

911
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,200
working. 
Like I want to die with my boots

912
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,800
on, but I want to do it doing 
things that I love doing and 

913
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,400
bring me a sense of fulfilment 
but also, you know, help the 

914
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,960
community at large. 
Like if I'm adding more value 

915
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,280
that I'm taking, I'll be happy 
doing that until the day I die. 

916
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,440
Yeah, I think, I think doing 
stuff with the community and 

917
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,160
like when you're working on 
trying to make people's lives 

918
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,560
better and, you know, I think 
that's really in the end, I 

919
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,240
think, you know, I don't want to
get too philosophical, but I I 

920
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,560
really think that in the end, 
you know, for me, what I care 

921
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,360
about is leaving this earth 
having made it a little bit of a

922
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,080
better place. 
Otherwise, what's the point of 

923
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,640
living? 
Like, how would you feel if you 

924
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,480
said, oh, well, Scott lived in 
this world and he it was worse 

925
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,280
off for him having been in it. 
Well, would it have been worth 

926
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,680
being in the world to begin with
is what I would say, Right. 

927
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,560
So I think leaving the world a 
little bit of a better off 

928
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,360
place. 
And then you came into it with 

929
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:03,600
and, and also just, you know, 
having good moments, you know, 

930
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,040
just trying to create good 
moments for other people and you

931
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,960
having good moments, you know, 
or meaningful moments, I should 

932
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,840
say, you know, So those are the 
two things I, I really try to, I

933
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,600
really try to focus on and I 
really feel like just working 

934
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,040
with the community. 
It's like I don't really have 

935
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,920
that angst like I used to in 
terms of like not having purpose

936
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,040
in my life. 
I think that's when people 

937
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640
really hit rock bottom, when 
they feel like there's no 

938
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,400
purpose or they're not living up
to their potential in any kind 

939
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,720
of way. 
Yeah. 

940
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,800
And I feel like when you're in 
this space, like this is a 

941
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,280
really great community and 
there's there's bad apples as 

942
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,960
there is in every community. 
But like, I get emails every 

943
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
day, as I'm sure you do as well 
of how, you know, somebody's 

944
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,560
life was impacted for the 
positive and something I've said

945
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,600
or done on a podcast or 
something, you know, touched 

946
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,400
them and they were inspired to 
do XY or Z and they've lost a 

947
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,520
bunch of weight or improved 
their health markers or done a 

948
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,960
competition and just found the 
light in their life again. 

949
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,120
And then they'll relay that 
message to me via an e-mail or a

950
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,560
post. 
And like that to me is the 

951
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,000
greatest, you know, reward I can
ever hope to achieve. 

952
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,800
Like knowing that somebody that 
I didn't even know, you know, 

953
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,720
picked up on some content that I
put out and improved their life 

954
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,520
as a result of them and then 
felt compelled to thank me for 

955
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,480
that. 
Like like that to me fills my 

956
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,800
cup more than anything. 
Yeah, You know what, at our last

957
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,600
meat stock, you know, like there
were people there, you know, 

958
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,840
like, like Kelly Hogan and Sean 
Baker and killed some people 

959
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,920
like that. 
And there were people that came 

960
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,520
all the way from like Ireland 
and Germany, you know, like 

961
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,120
across Europe, just because they
wanted to attend a retreat with 

962
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,600
Sean Baker. 
And and like literally when they

963
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,480
would like, there's this one 
woman who came from Germany and 

964
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,720
like, literally when she saw 
him, she'd like start crying. 

965
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,200
And I was like, wow, that's. 
Powerful. 

966
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:03,960
That's really powerful, you 
know. 

967
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,280
Yeah, like. 
You could change somebody's life

968
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,080
like that and that has a domino 
effect. 

969
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,240
I mean, not just that, that, 
that then that person will 

970
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:12,600
change other other people's 
lives. 

971
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,400
And it's just this huge domino 
effect. 

972
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,600
It's this ripple effect and it 
just keeps going on and on. 

973
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,840
And when you're doing that on 
like mass scale, like yourself 

974
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,040
and a lot of other people in the
community, I mean, it's such a 

975
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,840
beautiful thing, you know? 
Yeah. 

976
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,640
And I never got that feeling 
when I worked in corporate 

977
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,160
America or worked for, you know,
just any other position. 

978
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,360
Like I always tried to do my 
best work and, you know, put 

979
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,880
forth an honest day's effort. 
But like I never got that sense 

980
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,520
of fulfilment like I do now. 
And when you see that first 

981
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,240
hand, like when you literally 
are sitting across the table 

982
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:50,800
from somebody and you see the 
life come back into their eyes, 

983
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,280
like like that, like that is the
best thing. 

984
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,520
Like that is the best thing. 
And you know, if I can do that 

985
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,080
until the day I take my last 
breath, like that'll be a life 

986
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,640
well spent. 
Yeah, exactly, Exactly. 

987
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,320
Yeah. 
It's, it's it's a beautiful 

988
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,680
thing, man. 
It's really nice to feel like 

989
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,720
your life has some meaning to 
it. 

990
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,080
I worked in IT for a long time 
and it was the worst thing. 

991
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,040
I, I really think that that's 
actually probably, when I think 

992
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,400
about it, that's probably the 
root of why I got sick to begin 

993
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,400
with, because I felt like I 
didn't have any purpose in my 

994
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,280
life. 
I just felt like I was just 

995
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,240
wandering around aimlessly. 
I could tell you just too 

996
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,120
quickly. 
I just a quick example. 

997
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,440
This is how deranged my mindset 
was before I got sick. 

998
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,040
And this was back when I was 
like a bodybuilder and I looked 

999
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,280
all healthy and everything, but 
mentally I was weak. 

1000
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:47,040
Mentally I was, I was, you know,
I was like, I look like Captain 

1001
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,520
America on the outside and I was
like a like a little, you know, 

1002
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,280
scare little mouse on the 
inside, you know, whereas kind 

1003
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,720
of now it's the opposite. 
Like I said, now I look like a, 

1004
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,360
like a librarian on the inside. 
I feel like Captain America, you

1005
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,520
know well. 
The inside's. 

1006
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,040
More important, yeah. 
So. 

1007
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:11,400
So I remember walking home one 
day from, from my gym and it was

1008
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,440
like in the fall or something. 
And I lived across the street 

1009
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,480
from a retirement home and I see
these people walk around these, 

1010
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,840
these older people and they're 
kind of like looking around, 

1011
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,920
looking at the leaves and stuff 
like that. 

1012
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,880
And, and I remember being so 
kind of deranged back then. 

1013
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,520
I just, I was thinking to 
myself, I was like, you know, 

1014
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,600
what are they doing? 
You know, they're like 80 

1015
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,560
something years old. 
I'm like, what? 

1016
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,120
They've never seen fall before. 
Like, come on. 

1017
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,600
You know, like I like, I, I was 
kind of thinking like just being

1018
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,200
very negative towards them in my
head, thinking like, you know, 

1019
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,360
wow, what is there to live for 
at that point? 

1020
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,920
You know, and that's what you 
have to look forward to. 

1021
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,000
And you know, it's, you know, I 
want to be dead by the time I'm 

1022
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,280
like 50. 
I like, I just that should be 

1023
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,480
like, as long as some somebody 
should live. 

1024
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Like I was thinking all these 
crazy thoughts, you know, and 

1025
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,680
now when, when I go outside, 
like if I have, if I'm having 

1026
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,320
like a really good day and I'm 
going outside and I'm just like 

1027
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,840
going for a walk. 
And I'm like, look at the sky. 

1028
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,320
I'm looking at the grass, I'm 
looking at the trees. 

1029
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,200
And it's like the most beautiful
thing in the world, you know? 

1030
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,880
And, and I'm thinking to myself,
I'm like, Oh my God, there's so 

1031
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,920
much to see. 
There's so much to do. 

1032
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,320
I'm like, fuck, you know, I wish
I could live to be like 150, you

1033
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,480
know, whereas before I was like,
everybody should be dead by the 

1034
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,760
time they're 50, You know, 
people are living too long. 

1035
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,120
And it was just such a, it's 
like almost like I had like a 

1036
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,280
cancer of the mind, you know? 
It's just such a terrible way to

1037
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,040
live, you know? 
And it took like being really 

1038
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,840
sick to knock me on my ass to 
get get my head right, you know?

1039
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,520
That's why I like competition 
preps, man. 

1040
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,120
Like I, I don't do a prep every 
year because it's too taxing. 

1041
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,000
But like when I'm in that, you 
know, upmost depleted state, my 

1042
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,760
hormones are all jacked up and 
I'm just starving. 

1043
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,840
Like you have so little energy 
that every single thing you do 

1044
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,080
throughout a 24 hour period 
requires like significant mental

1045
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,920
bandwidth just to prepare 
yourself for it. 

1046
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,400
But when you're in that state, 
you you can't help but just soak

1047
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,160
in everything because you're 
going through everything so much

1048
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,720
slower. 
And when you're on that brink of

1049
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,280
death, so to speak, like you 
just appreciate everything as if

1050
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,480
it was your last breath to 
notice it. 

1051
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,680
And I don't know, man, I just 
brings me perspective and I love

1052
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,800
it. 
Like I try to carry that through

1053
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,920
my building phase until I do 
that prep again. 

1054
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,280
But like when you have that 
shift in perspective and you 

1055
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,200
just have gratitude, like you 
appreciate every little thing so

1056
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,680
much more. 
You appreciate, you know, the 

1057
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,720
people in your life, the, the, 
the just everything, everything 

1058
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,320
that you take for granted when 
you're in that state where you 

1059
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,720
can't help but be forced to 
recognize it and appreciate it. 

1060
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,880
Like you see the world through a
whole different lens, man. 

1061
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,200
I feel like everybody needs that
at some point or another because

1062
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,720
the world would be a much better
place. 

1063
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,800
Yeah, yeah. 
But if you, if you like develop 

1064
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,920
that gratitude mindset every 
day. 

1065
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,280
I think Benazzotti calls it 
vitamin G, vitamin gratitude. 

1066
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,040
I think if you, if you develop 
that mindset every day, I mean, 

1067
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,760
man, it makes life so much 
better. 

1068
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,040
Makes a lot easier too. 
If you really feel like 

1069
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,400
everything is happening for a 
reason and not happening to you,

1070
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,920
but almost like for you, you 
know, like when I, when I have 

1071
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,240
really bad days now, I don't 
think the way I used to. 

1072
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,680
I'm not like, oh, this sucks. 
This is hell. 

1073
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,880
I hate feeling this way. 
I'm kind of like, OK, I, you 

1074
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,560
know, this is just, I'm just 
going to grow more out of this, 

1075
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,280
you know, and I'm going to be 
stronger and I'm going to 

1076
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,160
develop more mental strength and
more grit and more character. 

1077
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
And you know, it's going to 
drive me that much more to to be

1078
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,080
more to be more helpful for 
people and stuff, you know, so 

1079
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,360
it's, it's very different now 
when I have a really bad day 

1080
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,160
compared to like back in the 
back in the day, you know, and 

1081
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,840
like when I got, I don't even 
know if you could say it without

1082
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,160
getting shadow banned or 
something. 

1083
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:11,320
But you know, when I got the 
pandemic virus, that was when 

1084
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,760
was that, that was like sort of 
late last year that really 

1085
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,440
knocked me on my butt. 
I was, I was really in a really 

1086
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,200
bad way, you know, But if I had 
gone through that like 3 years 

1087
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,720
ago, like I probably just would 
have died right there and then 

1088
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,720
because I didn't have that 
mental strength yet, you know. 

1089
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,840
But last year, it's like now I 
feel like I could handle 

1090
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,520
anything, like a nuclear bomb 
could go off beside my house. 

1091
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,680
And I'd be like, I'll make it 
through, you know, I'll find a 

1092
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
way, you know? 
Yeah, when you get a will to 

1093
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,200
live because you got something 
to live for. 

1094
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,560
Yeah, you, you got a reason to 
fight, man. 

1095
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,000
If you got a reason to fight 
mentally and emotionally, 

1096
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,880
psychologically that transcends 
the body or the brain and goes 

1097
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,280
into the body, and then you've 
got. 

1098
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,440
Exactly the superpower yeah, you
as a why to live could bear 

1099
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,040
almost anyhow 100% very true. 
Well, talk to me about meat 

1100
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,000
stock real quick with the last 
little bit of time we got here, 

1101
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:01,320
man. 
What? 

1102
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,560
When's that? 
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 

1103
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1104
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,760
Like I said, I really get in the
weeds on stuff. 

1105
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,680
I know we're trying to talk 
about meat stock. 

1106
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,880
So meat stock last year is just 
like kind of a retreat. 

1107
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,240
I mean, we did a lot of like 
presentations and stuff too. 

1108
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,720
But this year it's going to be a
retreat and a convention. 

1109
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,880
So you could just come to the 
retreat and convention or you 

1110
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,880
could just get a weekend pass to
the convention. 

1111
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,640
Now we're sold out of the 
retreat. 

1112
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,040
We're almost sold out of the 
convention part. 

1113
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,920
But I want this to be like a 
real true Americana event and I,

1114
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,160
I want to be a very like a 
unique type event, right? 

1115
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,880
It's going to be very animal 
based. 

1116
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,640
We're going to be right up there
in the mountains in Gatlinburg, 

1117
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,840
TN. 
I think we have like we have a 

1118
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,320
lot of speakers, man. 
We were, it's like close to 40 

1119
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,840
and we got yourself coming. 
We got, you know, Doctor Baker's

1120
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:59,360
coming again, Doctor Ken Berry, 
Dr. Boz, We got Mary Reddick 

1121
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,960
who's one of my favorites. 
A lot of my friends like 

1122
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,720
Courtney Luna and Serena and 
Steak and Butter Gal Kelly 

1123
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,880
Hogan. 
So we got like a, a great list 

1124
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,840
of people coming and I just want
to be fun of that man. 

1125
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,080
I'd I'd say one thing I don't 
love about conventions. 

1126
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,240
I don't really like when I go to
a convention and I'm like inside

1127
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,440
under like the fluorescent 
lighting all weekend and you 

1128
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,160
know, you know, there's no like 
real food around. 

1129
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,800
So you're pretty much as like 
living off jerky and stuff like 

1130
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,480
that, you know, or keto bricks, 
you know, no offense to you, but

1131
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,560
like, you know, I need a steak 
too now, right? 

1132
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:41,520
So, so I wanted to be like a 
great event where, you know, 

1133
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,840
we're we're sort of like outside
a lot of the time. 

1134
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,040
And, you know, we'll have like a
nice hall there. 

1135
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,800
It's kind of like at this, you 
know, wood stone cabin. 

1136
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,480
And we'll have like a lot of 
vendors in the carnivore space 

1137
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,720
and vendors that like I, you 
know, use their products myself 

1138
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,040
and, and we're going to have 
music. 

1139
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,640
So I'm getting in like bands 
from across the country, like a 

1140
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,600
lot of bluegrass and like folk 
type type bands. 

1141
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,320
So it's going to make it, you 
know, be a lot of fun. 

1142
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,480
We're going to have like a raw 
dairy firm come up and we're 

1143
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,760
going to have like carnivore ice
cream parties. 

1144
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,840
And yeah, just, you know, I 
really wanted to make as fun as 

1145
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,960
possible for people and just 
have it be a really good fun for

1146
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,760
a community type event. 
So, so really bad to say, you 

1147
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,040
know, if you want to come, you 
want to eat lots of meat, lots 

1148
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,640
of good quality meat from from 
local farms and you know, get to

1149
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,120
meet guys like Robert and your 
favorite carnivores and favorite

1150
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,400
sort of speakers. 
Then you can do that and learn 

1151
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,200
and just hang out with your 
community really. 

1152
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,880
That's it. 
Yeah, it's going to be awesome. 

1153
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,240
And what what are the dates on 
that again? 

1154
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:52,120
So for the retreat and and 
totals May 15th to May 19th, and

1155
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,920
then the convention is on May 
17th and 18th. 

1156
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,920
Nice, nice. 
Yeah, I'm going to bring the 

1157
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,280
wife and kiddo up there, be 
there obviously. 

1158
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,080
And Gatlinburg is a super cool 
town so picked an awesome place 

1159
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,160
to host it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1160
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,560
Have you been in the Smoky 
Mountains? 

1161
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,760
Yeah, yeah. 
I've got a family that live in 

1162
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,840
North Carolina, so we would 
drive through the Smoky 

1163
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,240
Mountains to to go see them. 
And it's beautiful, man. 

1164
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,760
Yeah, it feels like home to me, 
man. 

1165
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,640
First time I went there, it felt
more like home to me than 

1166
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,840
Florida, where I've been living 
for four years. 

1167
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,600
And my my goal is to when my 
kids are a little bit older, I'm

1168
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,320
hoping to move there one day. 
So I love it there, man. 

1169
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,120
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a good 
place to be, man. 

1170
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,080
It's beautiful country. 
The mountains just speak to you 

1171
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,880
like nothing else. 
Yeah, Yeah, I think that I think

1172
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,400
that nature Capone's very 
important. 

1173
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,960
I think it's like nature that 
speaks to you. 

1174
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,320
I don't know about you, but I'm,
I'm a mountain person. 

1175
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,920
You know, we don't have 
mountains here in Florida and I,

1176
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,160
you know, I spent a lot of my 
years growing up in Canada, like

1177
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,400
hiking and, you know, we had 
we're surrounded by mountains 

1178
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,680
and stuff. 
So I think that that nature just

1179
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,920
feels normal to me. 
You know, where's the nature 

1180
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,360
here in Florida seems very 
foreign to me and I always feel 

1181
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,920
like a little bit off here. 
So hoping to get back to my my 

1182
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,280
roots a little bit by by moving 
to Tennessee at some point. 

1183
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,640
But are you you're in where are 
you? 

1184
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,880
I'm. 
In northwest Arkansas, so I'm in

1185
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,280
the Ozark Mountains. 
So yeah. 

1186
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,400
Oh, you're in the Ozarks. 
Nice. 

1187
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:19,640
Yeah. 
I love it. 

1188
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:20,840
Are you? 
Yeah. 

1189
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,320
So were you born and raised 
there? 

1190
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,440
No, so I was actually born in 
Minnesota, but I, I pretty much 

1191
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,760
grew up in Central Arkansas and 
I've been all over like I lived 

1192
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,040
in Spokane, WA, that's where I 
met Crystal, my wife. 

1193
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,080
But I've always just really 
resonated with Northwest 

1194
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,160
Arkansas for the mountains, for 
the community. 

1195
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,000
I mean, Arkansas is cool, man. 
Like nobody really ever talks 

1196
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,480
about Arkansas, but Arkansas, 
especially Northwest Arkansas, 

1197
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,360
is like a like a hidden jewel 
and it's just got so awesome for

1198
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,120
it. 
So I'm, I'm excited to be back 

1199
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,280
here for sure. 
Yeah, I'd love to visit. 

1200
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,480
Man, that's awesome. 
Yeah, well, my doors always open

1201
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,600
to you, brother. 
I appreciate that. 

1202
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,960
For sure man. 
Well, what's the best place for 

1203
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,360
people to to find more out about
you, follow your journey also 

1204
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,080
meet stock like what's the 
what's the websites? 

1205
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,800
Well, OK, so, so I have a few 
different projects coming out 

1206
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,880
right now. 
So Wired for Healing is my brain

1207
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,640
retraining community. 
So you could go to Wired for 

1208
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,600
Healing is my Instagram. 
I post a lot about meat stock on

1209
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,800
there as well. 
And we're going to be talking 

1210
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,760
about like brain retraining 
stuff with meat stock. 

1211
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,360
I have my my nonprofit, I start 
up a nonprofit with Doctor Kiltz

1212
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,760
and Dr. Wiedemann. 
It's called Healthy Food for 

1213
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,480
kids. 
It's not quite quite done yet, 

1214
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,640
but we're going to be really 
promoting animal based nutrition

1215
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,800
for kids and really trying to 
educate parents on animal based 

1216
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,640
nutrition. 
And, and then meat stock, you go

1217
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,360
to meatstock2025.com if you want
to sign up. 

1218
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,280
I, we are literally down to like
25 convention tickets left. 

1219
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,360
I assume it's probably going to 
be gone in the next two or three

1220
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,520
weeks. 
So if you guys are still 

1221
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,880
interested in coming, I'd 
recommend going on there and 

1222
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,800
would love to meet all of you 
guys. 

1223
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:57,640
Awesome, man. 
Well, I will definitely link out

1224
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:58,960
and make it easy for people to 
find you. 

1225
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,600
Love what you're doing in the 
space, Scott. 

1226
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,280
You're making a difference and I
just appreciate, appreciate you,

1227
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,920
man. 
I'm glad we connected to Hack 

1228
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,000
Your Health and I'm excited to 
keep the conversation going, 

1229
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,680
brother. 
Yeah, No, I, I love you, man. 

1230
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,960
You're great. 
I I really respect you as just 

1231
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,640
sort of a coach, an 
entrepreneur, as a person. 

1232
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,880
So I think you're doing all the 
right stuff. 

1233
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,200
So I really appreciate you. 
Thank you. 

1234
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,880
Well, our missions are 
definitely aligned, so if 

1235
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,680
there's everything I can do to 
help you man, you just let me 

1236
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,360
know. 
Thanks a lot man. 

1237
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:25,080
See you, Scott.