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Well, hello there ladies and 
gents Robert Sykes keto 

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Savage.com. 
And today I have special guest, 

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dr. 
Shaun Baker on, for take to 

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we've recorded shoot. 
It was a long time ago, probably

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two and a half three years ago 
and we see each other 

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conferences were always 
communicating. 

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It's like shoot. 
Let's do another follow-up 

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podcast. 
So that's what we did. 

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We talked about his training, 
he's doing like higher fat 

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protocol now. 
We so we dive into that. 

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We talked about the fact that 
he's been strict, Carnival for 

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the past three and a half years 
without needing to introduce 

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any, you know, vegetation area. 
That that. 

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So we talked about metabolic 
flexibility, we talked about all

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kinds of things. 
I thoroughly enjoyed the 

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conversation. 
I trust, you will as well, sit 

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back, relax, and enjoy 
and we'll add duct Schambach. 

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How are you sir? 
I am doing well. 

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Robert, thanks for having me, 
you bet, man. 

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You bet, the last time I had you
on was shoot long time ago, I 

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think If I had to have years ago
or so maybe three years ago, 

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yeah it was a while back. 
I think I had you on the week 

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after you were on Rogan's and 
that was I think probably the 

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highest my podcast downloads 
ever spiked in a that window 

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because you're just on Rogan's 
and everybody heard about this 

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crazy carnivore dinosaur arms 
and they were just I guess 

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Googling for your name then you 
popped up on mine. 

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But yeah man a lots happened 
since then yeah it's been. 

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It's been a fun. 
Couple years. 

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Yes. 
And there's definitely been a 

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lot to a lot of growth in this. 
Little creep because you will 

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Community. 
Yeah, I really want to dive into

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that because I feel like most 
good. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, I want I want to dive into

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that because I feel like there's
just so much that's, you know, 

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transcended since then so much 
you've learned because you've 

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been strict carnivore that 
entire time that, right? 

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Three and a half years. 
Yeah, three and a half years, it

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would sell yell like trying to 
say I'd 2016. 

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And a 2016 was when I started. 
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guess I'm actually getting close
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half. 
So yeah, it's been a while. 

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What do you cause you're doing? 
You're doing kind of a higher 

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fat protocol right now, right? 
Right. 

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Now you have this, got off of a 
wiener, a very a relatively 

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clean version of it and I'm not 
playing with iPad. 

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I'm just, you know, playing 
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I've been doing it for so long. 
It's kind of fun to experiment a

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little bit. 
So I'm trying to get 80% of my 

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calories from fat, but that's 
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Got to be honest with you. 
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particularly, you know, when 
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fats and I have successfully 
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To do about 70 percent for sure.
And and many days I'm hitting 80

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percent which is a pretty decent
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when you're eating a decent 
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It kind of gets to where you're 
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fat. 
Yeah, I feel like, if you're 

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just doing, like a pretty strict
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can hit 70 percent, pretty 
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But when you start going beyond 
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have to flirt the line of do, 
you allow fatty coffees, do you 

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allow stuff like that? 
The to bump up that number 

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little? 
Yep, that's right. 

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Yeah. 
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I'm doing a lot of eggs you know
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good lever, you know, for being 
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can I can steer towards more egg
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fat is you can kind of change 
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then I kind of make a little egg
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I mix it with. 
I was mixing with Tallow and you

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know kind of blending it up. 
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throat with a bunch of Tallow 
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as you want that way and then 
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flavor in there. 
It's usually like a cinnamon and

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a little vanilla. 
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pudding which actually sounds 
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pretty decent. 
It's actually not bad at all. 

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Yeah, the egg. 
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versatile, man. 
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with eggs. 
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You getting just incredibly lean
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like, past couple months. 
I noticed you just getting 

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continually leaner and leaner. 
What are you doing there? 

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Well, I mean, what I did 
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and ate leaner cuts of meat and 
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basically, what I was doing was 
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to five days of pretty lean cuts
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in a relatively fat-filled a on,
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that and I find it, you know, 
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you can you just it's just 
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So I mean I got to where I was 
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found a pretty good mix. 
I get to where we just got a 

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little uncomfortable and I throw
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seemed to help. 
I mean, clearly fat is important

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and it's important for society's
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For, you know, making sure you 
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your metabolism. 
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go, when you go to what I 
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At any time, I was still 
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day at the minimum. 
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I'm still there. 
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lean point, I'm trying to 
maintain a reasonably lean with,

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with a higher fat approach in 
higher fat approaches, so much 

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more pleasant. 
I'll totally say it's like, you 

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can just kind of eat to satiety 
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All the other, you know, with 
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was hungry and thinking about 
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would you know, like I was 
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flavored ice just kind of fill 
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try these satiety. 
Accessed, you know, fill my 

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belly up with volume so I 
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like I was hungry and, you know,
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evening, when grilling tends to 
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hormone ghrelin tends to go up 
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those evening hours, you know, 
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Not be hungry. 
It was a little bit of challenge

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but now I managed to do that and
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difference in performance. 
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ability to train I was able to 
train hard train. 

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Well, it was just just being a 
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know as most of us don't like to
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But like to be, you know, 
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the high-fat approach I think I 
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same or even less calories, you 
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little better say, Dated so are 
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tracking these macro you just 
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of, you know, intuitive eating 
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I mean, I am. 
I am intentionally at this 

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point. 
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Cuz I'm not bodybuilding. 
I don't really have any real 

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sort of, you know, discrete 
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I got to hit, I'm, you know, I'm
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you know, up the fat but not not
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I mean, well, I would say that 
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sure I get enough protein so I 
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I'm not down to the ground 
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at still be off him, can't be on
a person, a critique of the 

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can't, you know, every kind of 
meats can have a different 

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amount and what's printed on the
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And so, I mean, I generally know
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what I was eating before, I 
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way, but I'm not sitting away in
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things in a calculator, I'm just
like, you know, I make relative 

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changes. 
I mean, my dad doesn't really 

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change much ate the same damn 
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the same time. 
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just like okay well I just you 
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bit of this tomorrow and and 
then see how things go. 

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So when you notice the an 
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fattier cuts, do you think you 
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Do you think are just consuming 
more calories overall with the 

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fattier cuts and that's probably
what led to your Society. 

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I think it's I think it's the 
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think I think with leaner and 
leaner Meats, I can eat more and

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you my appetite has is higher 
and as we know, the protein does

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have a little bit of a thermic 
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So you can kind of get away with
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any little bit more calories, I 
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energy, you know, I got to get 
energy from somewhere. 

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And, you know, once you get down
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you don't have that much on your
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I think, I mean, you know, 
obviously you Never run out of 

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fat or you die. 
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you know, 78 percent body fat, 
you still have fat on your body 

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that you can consume, but I 
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challenging and so you have to 
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is it just it just does seem to 
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I mean I sit here right now, you
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what I have nine eggs and Rib, I
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just a little bit of while ago, 
which is, you know, it's a 

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decent. 
Out of calories, you know? 

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That's, you know, that's 
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Is what is that? 
Oh, I'm some extra fats. 

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I probably had that. 
That's probably a those probably

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a 2000 calorie meal for me, 
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I mean, that's so my routine to 
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May be my only major meal that I
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today. 
So I'll probably come in at, you

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know, 3,000 calories today, 
maybe 2600 calories today and be

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completely satisfied satiated. 
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version. 
I was probably routine, leading 

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35, to 44 thousand calories, 
that way. 

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So, we look like 4 pounds of 
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Have you noticed any change like
in just cognitive function 

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mental Clarity, like, with the 
higher proteins, for me? 

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Personally, you know, I get a 
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protein, but if I'm doing just 
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I feel like less mentally sharp.
I just feel I'm in my blood 

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glucose Trends her. 
I just don't feel as, you know, 

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on On top of things. 
Yeah, I mean, I think that's 

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fair to say II. 
Don't, it wasn't like, dramatic 

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wasn't like, I was a dummy 
walking around with high protein

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and saying, but I mean, I do 
feel, I think calmer and more 

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stable. 
You know what, I do agree with 

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you with the protein trending 
upward Lee, you know, with 

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really high levels of protein. 
I think, you know, turbo 

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gluconeogenesis are some really 
interesting literature on that 

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where it's kind of debatable as 
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turn into glucose, I think it A 
little bit on person and, you 

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know, the situation and I think 
the difference is gone with 

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people that have kind of 
diabetic pathophysiology versus 

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healthy people. 
So there's some interesting 

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stuff with regard to that. 
Totally it's cool for me to see 

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you do this. 
Because I mean I've always kind 

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of advocated, you know, a higher
fat ratio protocol of ketogenic 

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diet in in regards to losing 
body fat and kind of getting 

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dialed in and I've always just 
been crucified for like people 

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come after After me and saying, 
hey, you gotta eat, less dietary

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fat, if you want to tap into 
your stored body fat and lose 

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weight. 
And I've routinely been able to 

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get, you know, sub five percent 
while maintaining north of a 75 

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or 80% fat ratio. 
So it's cool to see other 

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people, you know, like yourself 
doing the same thing and you 

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know excelling at it. 
Yeah. 

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I think Rob, I think the key is 
still going to be caloric 

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intake. 
I mean, I think, you know, if 

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you can still you can eat in a 
deficit on a high fat approach. 

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And I think that's the, that's 
the whole point of that. 

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And I think, And it's going to 
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eating higher fat doesn't 
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to gain team, but game game body
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You know what if eating high fat
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and you in allows you to eat in 
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can lean on and provide as you 
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You know, you doing a training, 
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muscle mass. 
And you're going to just silly 

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like that. 
Yeah, but eating fat nor is he 

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said, it's only when you did 
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assesses, whether it's fats or 
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Is, when you start to put on 
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these sort of negative things, I
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You can come, you can eat over 
you protein. 

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You can read any macronutrient. 
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Your needs your wants to do a 
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But yeah, absolutely. 
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during these experiments. 
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everybody bill on the planet 
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been a traditional method. 
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I said, from a satiety and 
hormonal standpoint. 

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I mean, when you're my 
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pretty lean, you know, you're 
not as miserable as it guys. 

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Are getting pretty lean on a 
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agree. 
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people have been getting lean 
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I've never argue that that's 
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It's been proven but it's all 
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ERM in that deficit, and I've 
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deeply key to adapt, then you 
have a higher fat ratio, your 

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hormones. 
You can be more stable, your 

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moods going to be more stable 
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sustainable and enjoyable, 
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things, you're not really in 
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long. 
So the more you can optimize how

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you feeling performed during 
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be better for in a long run. 
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wants to feel miserable. 
You know, you hear all these 

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Horror Stories of the 
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they're on stage and there. 
They litigate about collapsing, 

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as they come off, and they have 
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dehydration. 
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you know, depending on which 
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usage, in diuretic usage, and 
all that sort of stuff. 

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And you know again I'm not a 
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I've never been but I've been 
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years to know what generally 
goes on. 

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I'm sure you're more tuned into 
that. 

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Even I am. 
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know, I'm just I guess protein 
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where you find you know you know
what your protein intake needs 

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to be you know, throughout your 
training Cycles. 

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Protein is tricky because it's a

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little different for everyone. 
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set you know protein a lot of 
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and you know do like one gram of
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or something like that. 
There's all kinds of equations 

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on the internet and just keep 
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manipulate Pro or carbs or fat, 
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but I've had the most luck with,
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protein up initially, and taking
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thermic, effect of food figuring
out what your body responds best

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to. 
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that threshold is gradually 
taking that down still within, 

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you know reasonable level you 
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chronically low in protein but 
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I go pretty low because it ramps
up my love. 

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I mean it ramps up my Ketone 
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So Tones are very anti catabolic
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catabolic state, right there, 
the tail end of my prep, but 

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then as soon as that preps over 
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I go ahead and bump it up back 
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lean mass ratio. 
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pretty reasonable strategy, you 
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Because you decide, oh, you did 
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contest prep and then the crep 
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kibosh, because The coronavirus 
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dieting, are you, you know what,
how low of calories did you get,

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you know, when you got down 
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around, I think I saw 4,000 
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Yeah, so I got as low as about 
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refeeds at that point and, you 
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So I was averaging about 2,100 
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now I just finished my reverse. 
that I'm 12 weeks in my reverse 

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that and I'm averaging about 
4,500 to four thousand seven 

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hundred calories a day now, 
Yeah, it's a decent amount of 

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food. 
I mean No One's Gonna complain 

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about that and you know I assume
you're still race or maintain a 

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reasonable level of body fat. 
Yeah. 

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my offseason body fat percentage
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12%. 
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10 and 12 percent. 
I thought that's a super 

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sustainable healthy body fat. 
I'm not, you know, I can still 

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see abs and Feathering in my 
quads, but I'm not so lean. 

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And in a deficit, I can't really
optimized for building muscle, 

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but I'm also not so heavy. 
That I have no cardiovascular 

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strength. 
Yeah yeah. 

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But shoot man, you getting 
pretty shredded anyhow. 

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Also Instagram pictures either 
day and you may have to rethink 

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this whole body building, think 
probably step on stage, and do 

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some damage. 
No, I mean, I got I got such a 

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funky physique. 
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sleeves, I got Monkey Grill arms
and I don't have any symmetry 

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proportion, you know? 
I just don't have that. 

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It's have never been never been 
built for bodybuilding but we 

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you look damn good man. 
How do you know? 

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Oh, so it's okay being. 
Yeah. 

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It's kind of fun being I'm 53. 
So I mean it's you know it's you

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know I mean for my age I think 
I'm doing pretty well, you know,

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it's kind of funny. 
It's funny. 

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All the it's kind of like it's 
kind of funny because I get all 

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these people accusing me of you 
know, testosterone and rid other

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steroids and stuff like that. 
I've never, you know, I've just 

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never done that stuff my whole 
life and so it's kind of you 

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know, the assumption is you 
know, you can't be you know a 

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certain age and have it halfway 
decent physique. 

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I mean it's like you can't do 
without drugs. 

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I'm like you know, I'm here to 
say absolutely you can You know 

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what I think eating or eating a 
good diet and you know, I know 

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you know whether it's keto or 
carnivore, you know? 

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My my opinion getting 
high-quality protein animal 

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Source protein. 
I know you certainly don't 

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disagree with where you protein 
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it's, you know, meat is a big 
part of that. 

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I think it makes it pretty much.
Makes it a lot easier. 

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That's for sure. 100%. 
I get so I mean, I compete in 

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the natural federation's, so I'm
constantly butting heads. 

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Of people that are advocating 
for, you know, trt and just all 

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the drugs. 
So it's refreshing to hear 

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someone that's advocating for 
just optimizing your nutrition 

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first and foremost because I 
truly do think you get your 

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nutrition diet in you train, 
intensely? 

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Then I mean, that's that's the 
Fountain of Youth, right there 

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and you're proving that point 
day and down. 

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Well, I know it absolutely is 
and this is a thing, you know, 

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people, they're so used to 
taking the shortcut in the easy 

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way out that they're just You 
know, they don't, they can't 

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believe that you can do it 
without the, without the dress. 

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But we've kind of, you know, I 
mean, people forget what 

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happened, you know, 50, 50, 60, 
70 years ago when guys were 

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strong and, you know, that that 
doing the stuff, you know, and 

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it's definitely achievable have 
you ever gotten like, just a, 

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like Baseline hormone panels 
done? 

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Just see where you're at. 
Now, not resend. 

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I did, we know I didn't want to 
know this, and this is a thing I

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did one test. 
Right? 

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After training real hard, my 
testosterone to actually test it

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out low and you know, So people 
are like well you know you're 

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whatever you're like a grandma 
here, like an old grandma 

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because you have low 
testosterone and I'm like, look,

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I've got no clinical evidence of
that whatsoever, you know, it's 

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like I'm obviously Wayne strong,
you know, you know and 

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everything, sexual function 
works just perfectly fine, I'll 

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tell you so II, but I don't 
really not been really 

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interested in that because I'm 
like, what am I going to do 

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about it? 
It, you know and again I think 

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you need to have Clinic clinical
reason to pursue that you know 

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and it's like if I were, you 
know, couldn't lose body fat and

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was tired all the time and 
sluggish and mentally slow. 

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And you know, some of the things
that are clinically relevant to 

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low testosterone, then I would 
be more interested but I'm not. 

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So there's not a real exciting 
reason for me to for me to do 

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that and just to chase to chase 
lab numbers just for the sake of

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chasing lab numbers. 
Without any Any clinical 

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difference is, I mean, to me, 
it's kind of a pointless to ask 

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those people say, well, you'd be
a lot bigger if you're on 

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steroids testosterone, I said, 
yeah, it's probably true. 

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But, I mean, I'm already, you 
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other 53 year olds, I'm 
relatively doing quite well, 

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compared to those guys. 
So, I'm not really concerned 

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about, yeah. 
I'd say you're doing something 

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right? 
For sure. 

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I, I got my Baseline tested 
before I did my prep and then at

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the end, it just to see how much
going through a prep and, you 

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know, having that strain of the 
body would do. 

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And I think I think I dropped 
like 300 points, total 

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testosterone. 
But then, as soon as you start 

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bringing the calories, back up 
that recovers as well, it's just

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kind of nature of the Beast with
the sport of bodybuilding going 

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into a deficit. 
But if you do it naturally, I 

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mean you can maintain pretty 
healthy levels throughout. 

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Yeah. 
I mean it's it's something that,

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you know, I mean, people that 
don't really know. 

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I mean, there's obviously 
there's a lot of nuance and of 

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these numbers and it's, you 
know, it's how much is free and 

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I'm just bound and it's time of 
day, it changes and it and, you 

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know, training can Fact, if you 
had a hard workout, you can 

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knock down, you know, if you 
have a poor night's sleep, you 

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can knock it down. 
So so many variables that go 

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into that. 
And so I'm like, you know, what 

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does it even mean? 
Like I said I, you know, it's I 

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really look at clinical function
and I think one of the problems 

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we have is so many people are 
metabolically unhealthy and 

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sick, you know, they've got this
metabolic syndrome, they have, 

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this would be City, and they 
feel like garbage and it's due 

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to that. 
And then, you know, the doctor 

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might Screening for low 
testosterone, they put them on 

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testosterone but really they 
should be doing is just fixing 

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their health and our lifestyle 
and spending a year, you know, 

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really aggressively pursuing 
that but no one does that. 

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I mean, it's easier just to 
write a prescription. 

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Send them out the door and the 
people are happy. 

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And then there's people that go 
in there and, you know, they 

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intentionally tank their 
testosterone, you know, they 

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just so they can pass a test so 
I can get on the stuff and say, 

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it's prescribed and it's well, 
you know, in the bodybuilding 

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Community. 
It's People say I'm just on 

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testosterone and it's probably a
drug. 

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I'm like, no BS. 
It is a drug. 

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Yeah. 
And you know, you know, you're 

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taking it, you know, like these 
guys are, you know, obviously 

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stronger than 99.9% of the 
population. 

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You know, they're more muscular 
saying they were there, they 

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00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,900
needed to maintain their their 
strength and it's not. 

441
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,500
I mean, it just call it for what
it is. 

442
00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:00,400
It's a drug and it's helping me 
achieve things I couldn't on my 

443
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,600
own, but to say that. 
It's some disease is wrong. 

444
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,600
Yeah, totally agree. 
It's that's a It's a sensitive 

445
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,500
subject for a lot of people, a 
lot of people, you know, are not

446
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,300
honest with their using of it 
and abusing of it. 

447
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,900
And I've always just said, you 
know, teach their own do 

448
00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:18,200
whatever you want to do, but I 
take pride in the fact that I 

449
00:22:18,208 --> 00:22:21,200
haven't gone that route to look 
for the shortcuts because I mean

450
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,900
you're cutting yourself short in
a lot of areas that people don't

451
00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,100
realize at the onset. 
Like it sounds really sexy on 

452
00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:29,200
the front on the front end but 
they have no they pay no 

453
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,600
attention to the long term you 
know implications and then 

454
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:35,700
honestly just like what it do 
does to your mentality. 

455
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:39,400
Like I can I can take pride in 
the fact that I'm, I'm not 

456
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,600
taking a shortcut and you start 
taking a shortcut with one thing

457
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000
in life and it just, it just 
starts bleeding into other 

458
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,900
aspects of your life and that's 
just something I don't want to 

459
00:22:45,908 --> 00:22:47,800
start, you know. 
Yeah. 

460
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,000
I mean I'm so mad. 
I mean I'm you know, like I said

461
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,500
I've done this, I've competed in
gosh, you know, strongman 

462
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:57,500
competitions powerlifting rugby,
you know, track and feel 

463
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,400
Highland Games, you know, rowing
all these Sports and I maintain 

464
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,500
a high level of work capacity, 
I've been healthy. 

465
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:09,400
Ever been injured, you know, to 
any significant degree. 

466
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:13,800
You know, I've never had like 
big ups and downs as far as 

467
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,000
strength and fitness goes. 
And I maintain it. 

468
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,200
I mean, it's like, you know, I 
don't, I'm not dependent on some

469
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,800
drugs to maintain my muscle 
mass. 

470
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,500
And I think that is, you know, 
nice thing, you know, having 

471
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:25,800
done this for. 
I mean, I've been training and 

472
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,500
out for 40. 
Yeah. 40 years now and it's like

473
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,700
I said, I'm still going strong 
and still doing fine. 

474
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,300
Yeah, that's the main thing I 
want, I want to pick your brain 

475
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,500
about About this. 
It's funny because you know you 

476
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,400
and I both been the key to 
community for a long enough. 

477
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,900
Now that we kind of see these 
Ebbs and flows and we see these 

478
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:48,400
new you know hot ticket items 
pop up and you know carnivore 

479
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,100
keto all these buzzwords. 
I feel like right now it's 

480
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,400
metabolic flexible. 
That's what's in the sunshine 

481
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:01,000
right now is it's given the Halo
and it's kind of had this weird 

482
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,100
effect them in that people feel 
their performance is 

483
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:07,700
automatically going to be you 
know, massive The improved if 

484
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:13,100
they can have this dual fuel 
between carbs and fat and you 

485
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:16,100
and I have both have maintained 
this pretty regimented strict. 

486
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,400
Like, we don't need the carbs. 
We just perform really well with

487
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,000
what we're doing. 
So I'm curious to kind of, get 

488
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,700
your take on that what you've 
noticed. 

489
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,900
And not really what you 
experiment with because you 

490
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:27,900
haven't really had the cars but 
you've clearly had. 

491
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,400
No. 
No adverse effects from not 

492
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,100
having the carbs? 
Yeah. 

493
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,600
I mean I think you know, as you 
and I both know that we still 

494
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,600
living still make look Cos we 
still have glucose in our system

495
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,200
saw like we have non, we still 
have glycogen, and it's not like

496
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,100
we have none. 
And so this belief that you only

497
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:48,900
burn fat on a ketogenic diet is 
obviously, are you only utilized

498
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,000
fat on the ketogenic diet is 
obviously not grounded in 

499
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,500
science. 
I mean, there's people say I'm a

500
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,700
fat burner, well, you're still 
a, you're still using glucose 

501
00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,300
and even if you're on a low carb
ingesting that you're still 

502
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,000
using fat for some, some, some 
amount of things. 

503
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800
And it's just a relative amount 
of the fuel you're using, you 

504
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,800
know, some you're always And 
some sort of blend between 

505
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,700
ketones free fatty acids and 
glucose for your energy needs. 

506
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:16,200
And, you know, those 
requirements can be up and down 

507
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,100
regulated by like pretending my 
particular cell types. 

508
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,600
But it doesn't mean you can't 
like when you hit Top Gear 

509
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:28,000
training wise when you're in a 
glycolytic and you know, a 

510
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,900
glycolytic producing or 
requiring exercise, you can 

511
00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:33,400
still do that. 
Particularly if you've been 

512
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,400
long-term adapted to this stuff 
and I didn't I never had any 

513
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200
issues Issue. 
You know, I mean when I was 

514
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,700
breaking World Records on that 
concept to which was clearly a 

515
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:48,300
glycolytic activity, I had no 
issues whatsoever, you know? 

516
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:52,700
I mean able to literally able to
break the world record and so 

517
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:56,300
clearly without carbohydrates 
and then you know recently I 

518
00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:58,800
started playing with some of the
distance work and I'm able to 

519
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,900
put in, you know, an hour long 
session, you know I can row 12 

520
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:06,000
miles, you know, on a rowing 
machine, you know, an hour and 

521
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,900
20 With, with no carbohydrates. 
And so, I mean, I mean, you know

522
00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:14,300
it, what point do you say, you 
know, this is required. 

523
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:18,500
I mean, we just, I just 
interviewed a guy dance Sorenson

524
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:22,000
who's in, who's an NFL Super 
Bowl champ, he's on a car, we're

525
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,800
not doing great. 
So the performance has never 

526
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,700
been better, so he's doing it 
without carbs. 

527
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,400
You know, we just, you know, 
another professional athlete a 

528
00:26:29,408 --> 00:26:37,000
guy from the WWE, Eric guess 
he's a viking like And the same 

529
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,200
thing, all these ads come out 
and saying, hey look I feel 

530
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,500
wonderful without the 
carbohydrate midnight and my 

531
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,100
performance is not suffered at 
all. 

532
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,400
Still there. 
Yeah, I lost you there for a 

533
00:26:49,408 --> 00:26:52,100
second. 
Okay, sorry, sorry, yeah, no 

534
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:55,500
that's why I totally agree. 
I feel like, you know, there's 

535
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,400
there's so many instances that 
have people that are just 

536
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,800
keeping it super strict and 
they're not seeing any decline 

537
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,300
of performance whatsoever, I do 
think so much of it hinges on 

538
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:08,600
one's level of adaptation. 
I feel like a lot of people they

539
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,700
have this skewed perception of 
what actual adaptation is. 

540
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,700
They don't give it enough time 
or they're constantly eating 

541
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,300
more Trace carbs. 
They recognize. 

542
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:20,200
So they never really tap into 
their full potential with it and

543
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,200
then they just assume that it's 
not for them and they're seeing 

544
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,600
a decline in performance. 
They automatically go to what 

545
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,800
they are familiar with but I 
feel like if you actually get it

546
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,800
dialed in an optimized there's 
there's zero zero drop in 

547
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,400
performance if anything your you
know your information goes down 

548
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,100
your recoveries better so you 
can train more frequently. 

549
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,400
I mean I've only noticed an 
uptick personally. 

550
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,500
Yeah, it's the same experience I
had and I think that's the point

551
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,800
here is, you know, and I played 
with, you know, over the years, 

552
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,200
I was on the ketogenic diet 
first for, you know, three 

553
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
years. 
I'm arguably on it now with we 

554
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,100
within the context of carnivore,
but I played with targeted 

555
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,400
ketogenic diets and played with,
you know, cyclic ketogenic diet,

556
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,100
where you bring a cards in. 
And I really never noticed an 

557
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:05,200
improvement and only the only 
thing I saw it may be a function

558
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,900
my age. 
You know I just saw I just 

559
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:10,100
didn't feel it's good. 
I mean I got aches and pains I 

560
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:13,100
had Inflammation, when I added 
the chorus backhanded so it was 

561
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:18,400
just for me when I was like, 
going out to train if my knee 

562
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,500
was sore, I didn't really want 
to squat that much. 

563
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,800
But now when I trained, you 
know, I don't have those 

564
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,400
soreness and you know, pains in 
my recovery is just tremendous, 

565
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,500
which I think is, you know, 
allows me to train hard. 

566
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,500
Every single time I walk into 
the gym and often every single 

567
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,900
day, without needing to take 
really any time off. 

568
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:39,100
Which is something that you know
you here is, you know, always 

569
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:41,800
you get older, you need more. 
Every time you need to train 

570
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,100
less frequently and I've not 
found that to be true. 

571
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:47,300
For me, I can train hard every 
single day and I someone who 

572
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,600
enjoys try me. 
I really look forward to 

573
00:28:49,608 --> 00:28:51,100
training. 
I mean, I think about it, you 

574
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,300
know, the night before. 
A lot of what? 

575
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,500
I, what I'm doing right now, I'm
doing because I'm not competing 

576
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:58,200
anything currently. 
So it's mostly just fun and kind

577
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,400
of intuitive stuff and kind of 
making sure I check certain 

578
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,800
amount of boxes every week, and 
I just feel so good. 

579
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,400
All the time that my training 
in, Ultimately performance is a 

580
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,000
reflection on that. 
Yes, picking a training. 

581
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,400
Where do you train a? 
See these stories on your 

582
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Instagram and looks like you're 
in horse stalls or something. 

583
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Get the 70s rock and roll 
blaring. 

584
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,100
You're in a horse taller. 
What's going on there? 

585
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,100
Yeah. 
So the house we bought last year

586
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,900
was on a kind of an equestrian 
property across your 

587
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:33,100
neighborhood. 
So the people for us, well I 

588
00:29:33,108 --> 00:29:36,600
mean I guess two owners ago, had
some horse horse stalls and a 

589
00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:40,600
little horse turnout which looks
like a like called the Derp it, 

590
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,200
because it's like a little 
enclosed area around circle 

591
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,500
area. 
It's just dirt. 

592
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800
And so for me, I'm just like old
school. 

593
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,900
I don't mind the dirt and the 
grime, and the hard work. 

594
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:53,400
And so I just kind of run around
and do stuff out there and get 

595
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,500
out in the sunshine and then my 
power rack and some of the other

596
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,600
stuff, you know, like it is in 
the in what used to be the horse

597
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,100
stall on. 
So I'm kind of a big animal 

598
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,700
anyway so it works. 
I love it man. 

599
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,200
I love it. 
I've got to it's kind of crazy 

600
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,300
because this whole covid thing. 
Shut all the gyms down, 

601
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,800
everybody's just Been running 
around not having a clue what to

602
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800
do. 
And I feel super fortunate 

603
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,200
because I've got the compound 
here, the keto Brick Warehouse, 

604
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,000
and I got my own Little Gym set 
up, but it's all just the basics

605
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,200
like dumbbells, barbells, I 
mean, pretty rudimentary stuff. 

606
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800
And I feel like when you just 
double down on that, you don't 

607
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,100
need all this fancy equipment 
that people are always, you 

608
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,400
know, striving to learn how to 
use. 

609
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,300
Yeah. 
I mean yeah. 

610
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,100
I mean again outside of you know
it depends on what your sport 

611
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:36,900
is. 
You know, if I was running the 

612
00:30:36,908 --> 00:30:40,100
100-meter hurdles it would be 
hard to do that here but I mean 

613
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,700
are 110 hurdles, I guess 
whatever that is. 

614
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:48,300
But I you know, for me, I mean I
spent, you know, a decade 

615
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,100
putting together a gym and fine 
equipment and you know, all that

616
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:54,600
stuff over the years. 
And so I've got a really good 

617
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,100
variety of stuff so I can train,
you know, a lot of things, you 

618
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,000
know. 
And sometimes you have to be a 

619
00:30:59,008 --> 00:31:03,100
little bit creative but you can 
get 95% what you want done and 

620
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,500
then sometimes you know, like I 
you know you if you got 

621
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:09,400
bodybuilding specific things you
can you might find a gym, has a 

622
00:31:09,408 --> 00:31:12,100
few items that you can't 
replicate at home or it'd be 

623
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:15,900
very difficult to do. 
But having a nice facility at 

624
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:18,200
home is definitely a blessing 
because it's you know it's also 

625
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,500
a Time Saver because instead of 
having me jump in the car drive 

626
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:25,100
2015, 20 minutes, you know, go 
to the gym and then some of the 

627
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,200
equipment may or may not be 
available because somebody else 

628
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,000
is using it and you know you 
know so it home You know, the 

629
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,200
hours are great. 
And, you know, the crowds are 

630
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,700
honest. 
It's hard to be. 

631
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,900
Does my girlfriend is in their 
training? 

632
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,100
Yeah, so it's pretty good. 
The only thing is, you know, you

633
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,700
know, you missed a little bit of
a social side in the motivation,

634
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,200
says sometimes the young people 
around will motivate you a 

635
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,100
little much. 
But I've been, I'm, I'm pretty 

636
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:52,600
internally driven. 
I think most people have been 

637
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Lifting for a long time. 
Don't really need that external 

638
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000
feedback. 
Most of us have kind of, it's in

639
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,700
our mind. 
And you know, it's just it's 

640
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,100
part of who we are and, you 
know, and I imagine, you know, 

641
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,900
in 30 years from now I'll still 
be training as an 80 

642
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:09,000
something-year-old and This will
be training is a I don't know, 

643
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,600
60 something-year-old or 
50-something year-old. 

644
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,500
You just keep going and never 
goes away. 

645
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,200
Yeah. 
And it becomes just part of the 

646
00:32:16,208 --> 00:32:20,100
day for the routine. 
So what about like fasting and 

647
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,300
anything like that? 
Like you ever do any, you need 

648
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,200
extended fasting with Carnival, 
or are you keeping that pretty 

649
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,500
much just consistently in every 
single day? 

650
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,800
Yeah, I mean, I really, I mean, 
I do a fair bit of, you know, I 

651
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,600
guess you call intermittent 
fasting or you know, within a 24

652
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,900
hours. 
But again, that's mostly not 

653
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:38,600
really. 
By Design, it's just, I'm not 

654
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,700
hungry and so I just eat. 
You know, I lot of days, I'll 

655
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,600
train fast in the morning. 
I might do to day workouts. 

656
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,700
Like today I'll do it today. 
So I often you know we'll have a

657
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:55,800
maybe 14 to 16 hours you know 
between dinner and my first meal

658
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,200
of the day pretty almost every 
day. 

659
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,400
That's pretty pretty common for 
me to do. 

660
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,600
You know, sometimes I'll do a 
one meal, a day type of thing. 

661
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,500
I didn't one 48 hours. 
Last one time, just out of 

662
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:14,500
curiosity and I didn't really 
find any great, you know, great 

663
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:17,500
reason to do that. 
For me, I mean, I think it's, I 

664
00:33:17,508 --> 00:33:19,300
think there are reasons for 
people to want to do that, 

665
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,200
particularly people, that have a
lot of weight to lose, or are 

666
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,500
working on some kind of 
metabolic issues. 

667
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,200
There's probably more utility. 
I think for, athletes, 

668
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,000
particularly strength athletes, 
and people wanting to build and 

669
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,600
maintain muscle a lot of 
extended passing may not be the 

670
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,300
best thing. 
I mean, I know there's people 

671
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,300
that talk about growth, Hormone,
you know, increasing. 

672
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:41,700
But I mean it's the same time, 
you know, you need an mtor 

673
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:46,900
stimulation to for particular, 
one of the, you know, and this 

674
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,400
is one of the controversy around
protein with mtor, stimulating 

675
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,400
protein, particularly leucine 
and to a lesser extent Arginine,

676
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,300
people are worried about that. 
But again that's in the kind of 

677
00:33:56,308 --> 00:33:59,600
fits in the context of weight 
training, that's completely 

678
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,800
appropriate because you want to 
maintain your muscle mass and so

679
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,000
getting an adequate amount of 
protein on a generally on a 

680
00:34:06,008 --> 00:34:08,199
daily basis. 
I think Pretty important. 

681
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,100
Yeah, I totally agree. 
I think, you know, I'm not 

682
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,000
really a huge advocate, for 
fasting for the sake of fasting.

683
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,300
I'm actually starting a fast 
today but I haven't passed it in

684
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:18,600
over a year. 
I feel like it can be 

685
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,199
advantageous to do it. 
You no longer fast. 

686
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,699
Every so often just kind of 
wipe, the Slate clean and start 

687
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:26,300
fresh so to speak. 
But I see so many people just 

688
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:30,699
constantly jumping to, you know,
a fast to lose a few pounds of 

689
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,300
water weight. 
Only to regain it after they 

690
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,600
start eating again. 
And I feel like it kind of just 

691
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,400
creates this negative 
connotation around it. 

692
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:42,400
It can be again, it's a tool and
like any tool that can be used 

693
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,300
inappropriately, you know, to 
use a hammer to screw in a 

694
00:34:45,308 --> 00:34:47,100
screw. 
It's not going to work and so 

695
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,500
it's like anything diet exercise
are all tools in there that, you

696
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:56,800
know, you can use them wisely 
and, you know, in a strategic 

697
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,700
and in a targeted and a tactical
fashion, but the same time 

698
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,400
there's a lot of people would do
it, you know, kind of an 

699
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,200
appropriately 100%. 
So would you be in strict 

700
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,800
carnivore now, 43. 
Half years for years. 

701
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:12,200
What is something that you have 
found to be true? 

702
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,800
Now, that wasn't necessary in 
line with your way of thinking. 

703
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,200
When you first started, like, 
what have you learned to be like

704
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,600
the biggest most profound 
advancement in your corner of 

705
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,700
our journey? 
So to speak because you're 

706
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,000
pretty much on The Cutting Edge 
of it. 

707
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,900
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know,
like I said, I think for most 

708
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,200
people, it seems to work pretty 
well. 

709
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,400
I think, for most people, you 
know, most of the advice that 

710
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,500
I've seen and kind of promoted 
has been generally pretty, 

711
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,400
pretty effective, but I do see 
people. 

712
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,100
Where you can, you definitely, 
it's not an all-you-can-eat 

713
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,800
buffet, it's not a unlimited, 
you know, you're it's, you know,

714
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,000
I've seen people gain weight, 
get fat, I've eaten more than I 

715
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,600
probably should have at times, 
you know? 

716
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,400
Just because, you know, some of 
its kind of ego and some of its,

717
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,500
you know, not really eating 
Beyond satiety is is definitely 

718
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,200
doable. 
And, you know, you can get the -

719
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,300
I mean, just like any other die.
And if you eat too much, you're 

720
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:07,400
going to, you're going to get 
maintain. 

721
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:11,700
Gain body fat and have some of 
the metabolic consequences of 

722
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:13,500
overeating. 
And so I think that's still 

723
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:17,700
possible do it's harder to do 
than some other diets. 

724
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:19,000
Although he has kind of 
interesting. 

725
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,600
There was a study, I guess it 
was a full study or Pilot was 

726
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,800
preprint Kevin Hall. 
Came out showing a plant-based 

727
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,800
diet versus a quote-unquote 
animal-based, ketogenic diet. 

728
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,100
And so that the people on the, 
you know, the satiety was better

729
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,700
from a caloric standpoint, I 
fight Robert Plant Big Tits 

730
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:45,500
again that probably has to do 
with perhaps the you know not 

731
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,700
very good palatability and not 
having other options available 

732
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,700
and you know being locked in a 
metabolic Ward. 

733
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:54,100
I mean those all things are 
potential reasons why that was 

734
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,000
occurring but I definitely think
you can. 

735
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400
You can overeat and I do think 
you can ovary fat. 

736
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,500
I mean, this is the other thing,
you know, people think that you 

737
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,800
know, just because you're eating
a high fat percentage doesn't 

738
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,300
mean there's a there's no upper 
limit. 

739
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,800
To the amount of fat you can 
eat. 

740
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,600
It's and also, you know, things 
like Dairy fats. 

741
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,700
I find to be problematic for 
many people that is to say it's 

742
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:22,100
harder for me to overindulge in,
you know, sort of fat that comes

743
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:25,600
on meet, you know, fatty meat 
versus you know, Dairy you know 

744
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,500
when they when you take Dairy 
and I'm you know, I particularly

745
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,200
if you add a sweetener to it, 
you know, if you start making a,

746
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:35,900
you know, a heavy cream with 
some Stevia in it or something 

747
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,400
like that, you know, you can 
just over Consume calories that 

748
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,400
way. 
So I think that's clear. 

749
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,700
Yeah, it's interesting because I
mean like you said earlier, 

750
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:49,000
there's no way to know with 100%
degree of certainty, how many 

751
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,200
calories or how many macros are 
in any given thing you eat. 

752
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,000
But it's so blatantly obvious 
that the amount of calories you 

753
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,800
consume is going to have a 
pretty profound impact on your 

754
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,900
composition, whether that be for
better or worse. 

755
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,200
It's just, it's just funny 
because I feel like Carnival was

756
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,800
given a Halo initially saying 
that, You cannot overeat me, 

757
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
you'll never gain fat, which 
just does not make any sense 

758
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,900
whatsoever. 
But it's nice to see people, 

759
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:19,000
maintain a strict, carnivore, 
diet, and gain fat to prove 

760
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,300
those people wrong. 
So that people just more aware 

761
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:25,400
of how important calories are. 
Yeah, I mean, I've never been in

762
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,200
the calories on matter cam. 
I think, I think and I do think 

763
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,500
that there's, you know, it's not
only carries either. 

764
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,200
I mean, I think, you know, 
everybody talks about, everybody

765
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,200
talks about calories. 
You know, the people that are 

766
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,300
it's all about calories will. 
Concede the protein, you know, 

767
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,500
protein has a different 
Metabolic Effect, instead of 

768
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:46,000
you're going to make that 
concession, then you have to 

769
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,100
say, wait a minute, you know, 
there's a thermic effect. 

770
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,900
There's you know, there's 
adaptive thermogenesis, there's 

771
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,600
heat production that are 
dependent on a macro nutrient 

772
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,400
composition and then maybe even 
some degree to the micro 

773
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,800
nutrient composition. 
And so we have different 

774
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,000
absorption rates of food. 
You know, we have, you know, a 

775
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:08,200
whole bunch of things that go 
into. 

776
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Just behind what's on your plate
and what actually gets absorbed 

777
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,500
and what actually gets done to 
it in the body. 

778
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,700
And so, but at the end of the 
day, you know, if we look at the

779
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,600
big picture, sure. 
You know, you can't overeat 

780
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,800
calories on any diet doesn't 
matter, you know, Nikita did 

781
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,900
genic diet on a car, were diet 
on any, any diet there is and so

782
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:32,400
I, you know, I said that all on 
from beginning, I will say it's 

783
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,100
harder to eat more. 
Eat to the point where you're 

784
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,100
gaining body fat on some diets 
versus another other diets. 

785
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:43,600
And then, you know, there's, you
know, there's, you know, outside

786
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,800
of gain weight, there's a health
component. 

787
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:49,400
And, you know, just eating a 
diet of, you know, If It Fits 

788
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,600
your Macros junk food is not a 
healthy diet. 

789
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,300
And there's, you know, there's 
people that's for some somehow 

790
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,700
misled to believe that. 
I mean, I don't think the major 

791
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:01,200
proponents of the, If It Fits 
your Macros or telling people to

792
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,200
go out and eat and eat, you 
know, junk. 

793
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,400
But there's put some people 
interpret that way. 

794
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,700
I can eat whatever I want. 
Just you know maybe I'm anyway, 

795
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:08,900
protein. 
Twinkies. 

796
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,800
Yeah you know and and you know 
they're going to they're going 

797
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,700
to somehow think they're going 
to have a good health and good 

798
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:18,800
body composition which I think 
is you know maybe one of those 

799
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,100
youkai mean you might be able to
you might be still able to have 

800
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:23,800
decent body composition, but 
you're not going to have a 

801
00:40:23,808 --> 00:40:26,100
long-term. 
Good health with that, 100% 

802
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:29,000
agree, I mean it all matters 
like calories hormones, you 

803
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,100
know, metabolic function I mean 
it all it all adds to the end 

804
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:38,100
result and I do think that there
is kind of an upper calor 

805
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,700
threshold. 
So like calories, not created 

806
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:42,200
equal. 
If you're doing a predominantly 

807
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,400
carbohydrate-based, you know, 
food versus predominantly high 

808
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,600
quality nutrient, dense protein 
animal sources. 

809
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,400
I feel like you can probably get
away with a little bit more 

810
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,100
calories without the adverse 
effects, you know, like a 

811
00:40:55,107 --> 00:40:57,600
predominantly carnivore. 
Keto approach. 

812
00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,100
That's just what I've personally
found. 

813
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,300
You know, having eaten a bunch 
of carbs in the past versus what

814
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:05,900
I'm doing now, but it definitely
all has an effect on the whole, 

815
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,000
it's interesting. 
It's interesting. 

816
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,400
What about you know kind of 
seeing how things have 

817
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,200
progressed over the years and as
more information and scientific 

818
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,700
literature has come out about 
the efficacy of carnivore. 

819
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:23,300
Have you noticed any less 
pushback from the vegan 

820
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:25,800
Community or is that just gone 
rampant? 

821
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,800
I don't think there's been any. 
Well, it's a loaded question is 

822
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,200
pretty constant, just they just 
kind of It kind of, you know, 

823
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,600
they just wrote. 
There's like, there's like The 

824
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,800
champion is going to complain. 
There's a new ones to complain 

825
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,300
about it. 
And I think the interesting 

826
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,400
thing is, you know, with the 
vegans, a lot of them to stop 

827
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,200
being, but you can since 
someone's been vocal for a year,

828
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,800
they a lot of them end up 
following me and say thank you, 

829
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,200
he changed my mind. 
And the hell no longer be 

830
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,500
considered but they're always 
replaced by somebody new. 

831
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,100
It's going to come out there and
proselytize and try to save the 

832
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,000
planet with their with their 
misinformation or misguided 

833
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
notice. 
I do think, you know, more and 

834
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,400
more people in general are 
starting to recognize that, you 

835
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,400
know, meat is not evil and I 
meet State can be can be very 

836
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,100
beneficial Health, including 
many Physicians. 

837
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,400
You know, we have this metarex 
platform. 

838
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,700
We've got almost 150 Physicians 
on that platform that are all 

839
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,700
proponents or you know, at least
accepting of meat based diets 

840
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:26,500
potentially helpful. 
So we are making, you know, 

841
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,200
we're definitely making a change
particularly within the low-carb

842
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,600
space. 
You know, we're, you know, 

843
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,700
people have already sort of sort
of already signed off on the I 

844
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,300
don't necessarily line up with 
the mainstream or the perv Like 

845
00:42:39,308 --> 00:42:42,100
prevailing nutritional Dogma. 
So we've already made huge, 

846
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:46,100
inroads, and that community. 
And so it continues to evolve as

847
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,500
we're seeing like I said, you 
know, guys like Joe Rogan doing 

848
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,600
it and saying, hey, I felt 
really good and that that opens 

849
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,400
people's eyes and now we got 
more and more, you know, 

850
00:42:54,408 --> 00:42:56,700
high-level professional athletes
that are doing it. 

851
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,100
So I think we're just going to 
continue to see further and 

852
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,800
further acceptance for some 
people. 

853
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,300
Some people you know people are 
ideologically opposed to eating 

854
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:10,000
meat or never going to you know,
accept it as a As an option, 

855
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,900
they're going to fight tooth and
nail for that because it's 

856
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:14,900
against what they believe is 
their kind of almost with a 

857
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,700
little religious like forever. 
But you know what I mean? 

858
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:20,300
You know, we've got a study 
coming out and Harvard 

859
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,000
University. 
That's setting 3,000-plus 

860
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,700
carnivore. 
Dieters will come out later this

861
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:27,800
year. 
I'm assuming and that's going to

862
00:43:27,808 --> 00:43:30,000
have an impact. 
So I, you know I think we're 

863
00:43:30,008 --> 00:43:35,500
here to stay and I think it's 
going to be a tool that you 

864
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,500
know, many people utilize for 
their health. 

865
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,300
And this is, you know again This
is not anything new. 

866
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:44,000
This has been doing it at this 
is every 20 years or so. 

867
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,500
It's come out, you know, these 
carnivore type diets. 

868
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,800
You know, in my book I talk 
about the people that came 

869
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,500
before me, that promoted 
basically the same thing and 

870
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,900
they all had the same results, 
everybody got healthier, or many

871
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:58,700
people got healthier. 
And so, I think, you know, with 

872
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:03,400
the internet with social media, 
the exposure potential is this 

873
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,000
extremely high and that's going 
to be a, I think, I think that's

874
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
really the France between now 
and you know, 50 years ago. 

875
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,700
When Blake Donelson wrote his 
book, you know, strong medicine 

876
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,200
or what you do when Adkins came 
out in the 70s or some of these 

877
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,900
other things and you know, even 
the keto and obviously carnivore

878
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,600
fits nicely within the keto 
Community. 

879
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,800
A lot of people use Keo as a 
kind of a transition point, to 

880
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,500
go to carnivore and some people 
go carnivore. 

881
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,900
And then they go back to you 
know kind of meat based keto or 

882
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:36,200
Meto or keto carnivore. 
Carnivore keto or whatever. 

883
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,100
There's a little hybrid thing 
going on there but I think m 

884
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,300
just in general been more 
accepted in the certainly in the

885
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,300
low carb Community as a vital 
role. 

886
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:48,100
And so now we have people that 
are kind of helping to defend it

887
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:49,700
because it's obviously under 
attack. 

888
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,600
Yeah. 
And I think a lot of, you know, 

889
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,700
the social media and Jeanette as
a whole has kind of made this 

890
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,100
you know, push towards 
regenerative agriculture and and

891
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:05,000
all the more sustainable, you 
know, positive ways to produce 

892
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,100
meat at scale as has grown in 
popularity to so people can look

893
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:13,900
at Consuming meat in a in a 
better light than just imagining

894
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,600
a bunch of feedlot cattle 
sitting there, you know, just 

895
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,400
ready to be butchered. 
I mean, I think that is 

896
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:23,000
definitely a step in the right 
direction to because people can 

897
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,700
just see that, you know, it 
doesn't have to be this black 

898
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:27,000
and white. 
There's, there's there's 

899
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,500
positive. 
There's right ways to do this 

900
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,600
and this can be a good thing for
the environment and the animals 

901
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,200
that are involved with them. 
Yeah, I mean, that's wonderful 

902
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,800
point, you know, and the thing 
is, you know, when we listen to 

903
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,900
the folks, Or plant-based 
Advocates, they'll say, you 

904
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,500
know, well, you know, even if 
regenerative agriculture is 

905
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:46,200
good, we can't do it, we can't 
feed people. 

906
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,700
It's not sustainable, there's 
not enough land. 

907
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:52,300
Well, that's turning out to be 
not the case is turning out that

908
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,600
yes, there is enough land and 
yes, it is scalable. 

909
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,400
And yes, we can feed everybody 
as more and more people do it 

910
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,200
and they demonstrate that and 
they show that their land is, 

911
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,900
you know, three hundred percent 
five hundred percent eight 

912
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:07,800
hundred percent more productive 
than it was using standard, you 

913
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,500
know, commercial, Industry, you 
know, ranching techniques, you 

914
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:16,500
know, as they get into these, 
you know, adaptive multi Paddock

915
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,000
grazing operation. 
It was stacked Enterprise with 

916
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,800
multiple animals in the same 
same acreage. 

917
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,900
They can produce a heck of a lot
more food with the with, without

918
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,300
using the pesticides without 
using the herbicides without 

919
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:34,100
without using significant 
additional water inputs, you 

920
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,400
know? 
And, and, and not only that, 

921
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,800
they're they're sequestering. 
Carmen there and that's net. 

922
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,800
Carbon think they're improving 
the quality of the land are 

923
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,600
increasing, biodiversity. 
I mean that is where I think we 

924
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,500
have to go if we're going to if 
we're going to have a 

925
00:46:50,508 --> 00:46:54,600
sustainable food system over the
next several decades, as we see 

926
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,200
an increase in population, if 
that happens, you know, as 

927
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,800
opposed to what we have now 
which is just a you know, a 

928
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,400
hugely degradation of 
agricultural system, where we 

929
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:14,800
have You know, crop monocrop 
cultures that destroy the soil, 

930
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,200
deplete the soil, you know and 
that's you know where our food 

931
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,200
is coming from largely and it's 
not really sustainable, its 

932
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,900
fossil fuel intensive, it's 
pesticide intensive. 

933
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:31,700
It's herbicide it's an intensive
and most things all have a 

934
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:34,400
negative consequences to the 
environment. 

935
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,000
So You Know the Way Forward 
really is a regenerative We're 

936
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,500
coming regen of animal and plant
agricultural hybrid technique 

937
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,200
and that requires animals. 
There's no way not to utilize 

938
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,600
those guys. 
Yeah, totally hundred percent 

939
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,400
agree. 
And I mean, if you just start 

940
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,600
diving deeper into that, you 
know, that that becomes more and

941
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,400
more clear, it just takes a 
little bit of legwork. 

942
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,900
I mean, it's it's becoming more 
known, but he just has to dive a

943
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,400
little deeper than what 
mainstream media wants to throw 

944
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,900
out at you at first glance, you 
know? 

945
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,300
So hopefully people keep 
learning in the Right direction 

946
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,500
there. 
So I want to know a little bit 

947
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,300
more about this meet our X 
platforms. 

948
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:14,400
I've heard you talk about it 
for. 

949
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,100
I've checked it out. 
Just kind of spend this last 

950
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,400
little bit here. 
Talking about that and promoting

951
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,300
yourself here, I want to spread 
the word. 

952
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:27,600
Yeah, so metarex, you know my 
someone Pro so my partner her 

953
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,700
name's Maseratis to me is a she 
is an entrepreneur, a data 

954
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:37,400
scientist in Silicon Valley and 
so she approached me and she's 

955
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000
been on a convert out now for 
For quite a while and she 

956
00:48:40,008 --> 00:48:43,600
approached me is kind of wanted 
to partner up with me and helped

957
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,600
me develop a platform. 
And so we kind of came up with 

958
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,100
this sort of idea and we're 
still evolving. 

959
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,300
We've got a long ways to go. 
And so what we want to 

960
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:53,800
eventually accomplished, we've 
got our sights set on some other

961
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,700
big, big stuff. 
But what it is currently is it's

962
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:00,100
a platform, you know, first of 
all, it's a huge resource for 

963
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:03,900
anybody that wants to learn 
about or Implement a car word 

964
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:05,600
out. 
We have largest resources in the

965
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,900
world, I mean, we've got, you 
know, literally hundreds of 

966
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,700
Hundreds of success stories, 
people look at, we have research

967
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:16,000
article, we've got an eight 
thousand plus research, library 

968
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,600
of articles that support, you 
know, various aspects of what 

969
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,200
we're doing. 
So all the science and world, 

970
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,300
you can want, we've got all 
kinds of Articles and 

971
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:26,600
Publications. 
You can utilize all compiled in 

972
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,700
one area we have, you know, 
multiple multiple daily meetings

973
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,200
through Zoom which were all 
video conferences that, you 

974
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,900
know, hundreds of people can 
join at one time. you know, of 

975
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:42,800
all kinds of support meetings, 
you know, whether it's diabetes,

976
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,700
you know, it's whether it's 
addiction, whether it's Eating 

977
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:49,800
Disorders, whether it's weight 
loss, or mental health issues, 

978
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,800
or, you know, any of those 
topics and I have a meeting 

979
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,000
every single morning with the 
members anywhere between, you 

980
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,200
know, 40 to 100 people will show
up at that every day we have, 

981
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,400
you know, you know coaching, you
know for people that need 

982
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,100
support, not everybody needs 
support, you know, you know, You

983
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,000
tell people just eat a bunch of 
meat and drink some water and 

984
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
you're fine. 
Some people run with that and 

985
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,700
they do fine and other people 
really struggle with trying to 

986
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,300
implement it and they need 
support. 

987
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,900
So we have a coaching platform. 
We've got, you know, a hundred 

988
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:22,900
plus coaches. 
Now that have been certified 

989
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,200
that, you know, people can sign 
up for really, really, I want to

990
00:50:28,207 --> 00:50:32,100
keep this because it has such a 
profound impact on people's 

991
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:33,900
lives and improving their 
health. 

992
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,500
I want to keep it affordable and
accessible to many people as 

993
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,300
possible. 
So we made the, you know, the 

994
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,900
the coaching sessions are, you 
know, they're 18 bucks for half 

995
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:43,500
an hour. 
I mean, they're just incredibly 

996
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,100
cheap, you know, we just, you 
know, we have people in that 

997
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,200
people are doing it because they
love it. 

998
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,400
They're passionate about its 
change their life and they want 

999
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,800
to help other people and quite, 
honestly, they're doing it 

1000
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,700
anyway. 
They're they're talking about it

1001
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:56,400
all the time because they can't 
stop. 

1002
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,000
So we're like, you know, we're 
going to get you guys trained 

1003
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,900
and you're going to. 
You can do this and help people.

1004
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,600
And you don't make a little bit 
of money, kind of as a part-time

1005
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,300
type of situation, kind of like 
an Uber driver might do. 

1006
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,800
So we're building that up, you 
know. 

1007
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,700
Got a fasting platform, we've 
got will probably end up with 

1008
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:16,000
the keto platform. 
So, we're trying to retry to 

1009
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,100
give people an alternative to 
the standard way, people treat 

1010
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:25,200
lifestyle, lifestyle, issues, 
and chronic disease. 

1011
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,600
So, if you can go there and get 
your, you know, your health, 

1012
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,100
your nutrition, your Fitness, 
your sleep, in an order. 

1013
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,600
That's going to have a far 
bigger impact and if you go to 

1014
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,400
the physician and you get 15 
minutes. 

1015
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,500
So being shuffled through an 
appointment, I'm getting totally

1016
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:39,500
green head. 
It a pill. 

1017
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:41,400
So we're trying to give people 
an option for that. 

1018
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,300
So it's going to be kind of a 
alternative for people that it's

1019
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:48,000
want to want to obtain health 
and not go through, you know, 

1020
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,100
Medical Care, you know, and I 
think there's a difference 

1021
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,400
between that I love it. 
I love it. 

1022
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,500
It's grown like crazy since. 
When did you launch that? 

1023
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,100
So we launched in November. 
So we're you know right around a

1024
00:52:00,107 --> 00:52:03,200
little over six months and yeah,
we've grown to, you know, we've 

1025
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,700
got, you know, several thousand 
members. 

1026
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:09,600
Now, I think we're up into a 
thick, Rope A Dope. 4,000 

1027
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,800
members right now and growing 
every single day. 

1028
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,500
We pick up 20, 30 40, 50 people 
a day typically so you know it's

1029
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:20,700
growing pretty rapidly and you 
know, it's and people are 

1030
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,100
enjoying it. 
I mean, they really like to 

1031
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,200
support, you know, we've got 
with social media, things like 

1032
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Facebook, the platform's one or 
Limited, in their interaction, 

1033
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,000
to their kind of, you know, 
we're seeing more and more 

1034
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:35,100
Direction in these platforms. 
Letting people talk to, you 

1035
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,000
know, they're kind of directing 
what people are allowed to talk 

1036
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,800
about, you know, there's some 
little bit Of censorship going 

1037
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,100
on which, you know, you know, I 
don't know where it's going to 

1038
00:52:43,107 --> 00:52:45,800
go, but we're already seeing, 
you know, it may be that in two 

1039
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,300
years from now, eating meat will
be considered a you know, are 

1040
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:52,500
promoting a meat may be 
considered a sensible offense, 

1041
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,400
you know, or something like that
and be sin x, you know. 

1042
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,400
Yeah. 
That is going to be that's going

1043
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,200
to be said. 
So we're kind of pushing back 

1044
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,200
and we have a little bit of a, 
you know, a little bit of, I 

1045
00:53:01,207 --> 00:53:03,600
guess a political aspiration in 
the fact that we want to 

1046
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,300
influence policy when it comes 
to nutrition and health. 

1047
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,800
So we have people like mine and 
are doing that. 

1048
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,500
You know. 
And so that is where we're going

1049
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:14,800
in. 
And like I said we've got a lot 

1050
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,200
of, you know, technical plans 
Beyond this to expand into other

1051
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,300
other avenues and becoming and 
make this more powerful. 

1052
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:27,200
And I think we're going to get 
there over the next few years. 

1053
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,800
And I think, I mean whether 
they're keto or low carb, or a 

1054
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,800
carnivore or whatever. 
That, maybe it's definitely all 

1055
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,100
the step in the right direction.
So just simply getting that that

1056
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,800
message out there. 
There and amplifying in the mean

1057
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:43,300
shoot at the good fight right 
there so there's anything I 

1058
00:53:43,308 --> 00:53:46,300
could do just let me know. 
Well yeah I mean I appreciate 

1059
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:47,700
it. 
Like I said I'm you know will 

1060
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,900
maybe get you in on the in one 
of our meetings to talk to our 

1061
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:53,600
crowd, that'd be great. 
So kind of percent and what's 

1062
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,900
the the website link case people
in check that out. 

1063
00:53:55,900 --> 00:54:00,300
So it's just meet our xor X like
the prescription sign, so meet 

1064
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:03,100
our x.com. 
So that's that's where you can 

1065
00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:06,100
go there and then you know 
obviously I'm well my social 

1066
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:12,500
media, Instagram is shown Sha WN
Baker, 1967 on Instagram, 

1067
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:13,200
Twitter. 
Oh man. 

1068
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,700
S Baker MD. 
And then I've got a little 

1069
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:19,300
YouTube channel which I you know
I put up a video pretty much 

1070
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:21,500
every day. 
So I mean I'm you know my my my 

1071
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:23,500
social media is slowly moving 
along. 

1072
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:25,900
I've got about three hundred 
thousand, you know, people in my

1073
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:30,100
social media followers you know 
kind of making progress there 

1074
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:31,900
and you know, it's been, it's 
been fun. 

1075
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:35,200
It's been entertaining someone a
little bit controversial. 

1076
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,100
Hey, will you get it anything in
life worth? 

1077
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:39,700
It wasn't going for. 
Or is going to end up a little 

1078
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:42,100
bit of controversy, but that's 
when, you know, you're on the 

1079
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:43,600
right track because you're 
making something happen. 

1080
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:47,200
In the yep. 
I'll shoot Sean. 

1081
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,200
Keep doing what you're doing. 
Let's say let's regroup, 

1082
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,300
sometime. 
I'll come trained. 

1083
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:52,700
The horse stalls with you. 
That sounds good man. 

1084
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:55,000
All right, thank you. 
Having shit.