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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents. 

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Robert Sykes ketose a.com and 
I've got special repeat kissed 

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Ben Davis, back online spin like
several years since I've had him

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on the show. 
Last time we spoke. 

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He was running an ultra marathon
every single month to raise 

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awareness for veterans. 
He's a veteran himself. 

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He's a professional soccer 
player had an injury in the Army

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was told me to never run again. 
Instead of running like a 

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madman. 
He just ran like 20 in 22 hours,

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rent 107 miles. 
I mean, just freaking machine 

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and he's now doing a lot of 
Veteran work for the guitars for

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vets, organizationally plugging 
into that and changing people's 

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lives on a regular basis. 
He is genuinely one of the 

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kindest people. 
I know he is helpful to people 

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that he doesn't know at all, 
like these veterans that are 

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coming in and just simply 
seeking Solace. 

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Seeking peace. 
He's taking him under his wing 

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and making their lives better, 
more enriched and more positive.

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And I've got so much respect for
that and for who he is as a 

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person, what he's doing, so I 
wanted to bring it back on the 

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podcast. 
Kind of catch up with him. 

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See what he's been up to see. 
He's got cooking. 

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So without further Ado, sit back
relax and do the podcast with 

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Ben Davis. 
We have been, how are you 

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brother? 
Well, man, I'm well, how are 

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you? 
Okay, get, it's been, it's been 

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probably a two years or so. 
Since I've had you on the 

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podcast been a long time. 
I think it's longer than that. 

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To be honest with you really? 
It's I know time flies in there.

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Is the last time I had you on, 
you were about to commence on. 

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You were doing some kind of 
crazy endurance run like a Can 

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an ultra every month. 
I want to say. 

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That's not right. 
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Yeah, I did that in 2018. 
I did mix. 

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It was set out to do one Ultra 
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then I did up a few other races 
to some other marathons and some

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other stuff in there as well. 
So that your end up running. 

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6:13 Ultras to mow, two 
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So it was insane. 
It was that, that it was that a 

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smart choice, was your body, 
just screaming at you 

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afterwards. 
You know, I know there was that 

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the last half of the year, the 
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September to December. 
It was just a volume. 

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I was running something. 
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weeks, straight, and by the time
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December, my body had almost 
shut down completely. 

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So I think it was December 29th.
I went and I was doing that last

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race. 
I didn't slip in, and I cracked 

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a rib like two miles in and I'm 
finishing it, but it was like 

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for the next few months. 
My body was just done, like, 

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shut down. 
So it was it was rough. 

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Your name is Robin and the 
stereotypical endurance run like

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you're not some, you know, Ultra
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guy that has no, wait. 
I mean you got like a lot of 

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muscle. 
You've got a big frame like 

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you're doing these Ultra runs 
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lot of muscle mass on your 
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Like you're not the 
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No, no, it's funny. 
I, you know, I've talked to 

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some, he's really famous runners
and I've got, I had gotten to 

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know them during that time and 
like 150 pounds and I was I mean

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that my lightest I got down to 
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And then for most of those, I 
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30s. 
Yeah, and so yeah, it was, yeah,

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it was pretty, pretty brutal. 
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and My knees and everything, her
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Everyone always says your knees 
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oh, they're fine good. 
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months off of running completely
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Yeah, man, I was, I was so 
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couldn't get it to level out for
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it all out and get it kind of 
find a Something that was just. 

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Where I could just be active. 
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definitely took a toll on me, 
but you consider most of the 

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think, run Ultras, maybe do like
a handful year and I was just a 

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crazy pace and that was coming 
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So yeah, sane man. 
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ended up. 
It's funny because I set out, 

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one things I wanted to do was 
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Detroit that I love. 
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do like a 20 to 22 are running 
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which was worse was brutal. 
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figure out how I could prep for 
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Veterans Day and I'm like, well,
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year of running, I would need to
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I was like, yeah, they'll be 
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And then train up for that. 22 
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It took me about four months to 
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able to when I started to train 
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hours and I had a party myself. 
I got hurt at work and I was 

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able to train for a few months. 
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It was it was Interesting, which
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removed, but I did almost no 
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that 22 hours when I ran. 
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strength training, you know, 
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five Prime movers. 
I did that in yoga and I think a

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man like, twice a week. 
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time just to see just to kind of
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like how I performed? 
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Kind of little n of one 
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that was a is ensuring I did 107
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hours. 
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Yeah. 
It's got was a, that's okay. 

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That's actually really fun story
with that whole, that whole 

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event that I did. 
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a minute, but it was, you know, 
one of Things and I know you get

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this but when you take on any 
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look at ultra running like this,
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I was like, well, let's see what
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If I don't run as much and let 
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switch up to you. 
The kind of routine and going to

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see going so heavy with strength
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I mean, I was deadlifting, I 
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like that leading into that. 
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really high. 
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that it's all, it's all mental. 
It's just a game. 

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And so I think, you know you you
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probably like this and you're 
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with having a dislocated ankle. 
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something or tell me I can't do 
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I'm going to I'm going to figure
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And so I think it's all that 
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really what's, you know, and so 
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it's fast. 
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like I'm going to finish 
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like I finished but there was no
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once you have that mindset you 
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you're at. 
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that 22R run but Actually, the 
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It has nothing to do with me 
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That's for that time. 
Right? 

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I knew that going into that. 
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The Godly like 60, 70 miles, you
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relaxed and I didn't a lot of 
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locally and stuff again are some
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but it didn't have a lot of 
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Then all of a sudden the local 
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of a sudden like people start 
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wanted to like hey, you know, 
how can we help out with me? 

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Do a quick, I'm running things 
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me is actually it's goes back to
my time in the Army when I was 

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injured like I hate running with
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It really is like me. 
I do it gives me anxiety. 

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It does because you know, like I
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He had been hurt my hip and 
these injuries that when you're 

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running like me and the artist 
so you don't, you can't fall 

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out. 
You can't do these things. 

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Otherwise, you know, you're 
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And so I would get anxiety 
running with people and I never 

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liked it. 
So, Now, all of a sudden, you 

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know, going into this and what 
people like, hey, can I show up 

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my brother? 
Can do this and I'm like, oh no,

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this is this one for means any 
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there's people that want to know
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So it was it was interesting. 
That whole the amount of support

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that in the passing for me. 
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do the race, they was 
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days prior. 
I got an email from a guy said, 

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hey, explain the story and is 
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Steve not a bad, but, you know, 
I'd like to come out and, you 

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know, maybe A lap or two with 
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You know, I'm not a runner run a
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sure, you know, come on out. 
Yeah, you know, no pressure. 

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Well that day I go and my 
support crew didn't show up like

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they just didn't show up. 
It was very no in for me. 

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Like I had like the I had all of
the math down comes of calories 

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per hour and all these things 
then know how this stuff. 

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You know, I know how this stuff 
goes and I did all my 

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calculations. 
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block, just to kind of Survive 
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it's like me and a couple people
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And this guy shows up and starts
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helping out and you know, it was
cooled and the news is there and

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as I go but I'm running out of 
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going and I take off in this 
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Steve, you know, you run Who 
start going and he was really 

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cool. 
He told me his story and I got 

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to know him a bit. 
It's really interesting and The 

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whole way of running people are 
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wave and hey, you're the guy 
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And, you know, this is really 
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And then, you know, I gave get 
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and then something. 
Hey, are you that guy from TV? 

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Are you bad as? 
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They're like a. 
Do you could I run with you? 

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Sure, you know, so they can 
shoot this lady hops out and you

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know, she runs the next lap with
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420, almost 22. 
Our, not the full 22, there's 

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one hour. 
I was by myself. 

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That's great. 
I was never alone at people just

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show up some hey, are you been 
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And I said sure why not, you 
know, and so but this guy, Steve

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that it was the amazing thing is
that he had stayed with me and 

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what ended up happening is kind 
of giving him my nutrition plan 

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and making sure he survived 
because nobody 4:00 I said, hey 

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man. 
Yeah, so, you know you run a 

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marathon right? 
He's like what he's like, yeah, 

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like you've run a marathon and 
then You know, hint of doing 

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about 50 k and by about 1:00 in 
the morning, he was in right 

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using really rough shape. 
And so I remember sending him 

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out on his way. 
His fiancee wife. 

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It showed up and took him home. 
And you know, I said I running 

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and I've been I mean, I've been 
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it's time and it was like the 
first time I was alone and it's 

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like 20 degrees fries and I'm in
short still and I'm going and I 

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see them in the car, just pulls 
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And I was like, I thought I was 
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get jumped or what. 
But it's kinda kru bad. 

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I said, yeah. 
You said, hey, could I run with 

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you? 
I'm like, awesome. 

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So, you know, he had a brother 
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about two in the morning. 
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that was like, the first time I 
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Do another four by four by forty
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dying. 
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I need to get some battery and I
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Just having this breakdown. 
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and you just emotionally spent, 
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a cop and I don't want to think 
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like seen in my car leaving like
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Like I'm the guy that I'm not 
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care about a few. 
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someone else showed up and they 
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the amount of support that I 
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I'm coming on the backside of 
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off in front of me and I'm like 
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this wave of elation. 
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we end up finishing the whole 
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getting anxiety running with 
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outpouring of support of people 
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where you been? 
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that meant to me. 
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more than like 75, 80 miles, you
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is the farthest I've run and so,
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stories and there's some 
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one of the Since I took away 
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just showing up for people. 
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said it was just, it was It's a 
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But I've had so many those, my 
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some of those just these moments
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importance of showing up and 
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From a psychological standpoint 
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I'm aware of. 
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has its has its strength. 
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There's a lot that comes with 
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those things in which, you know,
anybody can do it. 

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There is definitely a right way 
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the right conditioning and 
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anybody can strap on some shoes 

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And the the main differentiating
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There is like you said, all that
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And, you know, you may not be 
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But to have them, the mental 
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putting my laces in my shoes up 
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hours straight and not going 107
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weather. 
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kind of strong there, man. 
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sometimes it's just not quitting
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I'm not I'm not exceptional by 
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I just put myself in situations 
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that, you know, left foot in 
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keep repeating until you're done
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I said, anyone can do they just 
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reason and so like I said, I 
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exceptional in any way like 
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I think it's just one of those 
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the military helped that I was 
he might cry. 

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obviously, you know, you did 
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anything is possible. 
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guy who was he'd never run more 
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wasn't any kind of shape and he 
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was unbelievable, you know, and 
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think he was thinking about it. 
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he just wanted to pay. 
What can I do to help? 

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that. 
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mean, it's just Yeah, everybody 
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they put on themselves and if 
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really know what you're capable 
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hadn't run in years prior to 
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break me records by any means. 
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I don't really trained for that 
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matter of coming in putting 
putting in the work showing up 

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and just being consistent with a
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When that alarm clock goes off 
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your next stent, like you don't 
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not going to be able to just 
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just keep that momentum going 
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to backtrack and then like your 
mind will play tricks on You For

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Better or For Worse. 
If you put it towards the goal, 

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then you can leverage that 
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Whereas if you talk yourself out
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It's easy to do that as well. a 
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that's the You know, that's like
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I think we we miss so often. 
Is that one, we believe the 

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constraints that are put on us. 
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doctors, you know, saying I 
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over. 
It was over a decade ago, and I 

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believe that for a long time 
until I didn't. 

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And that I realized is so much 
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if you don't have a right and 
left boundary anything's 

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possible. 
Hmm. 

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You just have to just have to 
show up and do it and some days 

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it doesn't feel good. 
Truth. 

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Like you just got to get past 
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those days you don't, you want 
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it's like as you know, I don't 
feel like doing yoga. 

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I don't, I don't want ice after 
this. 

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It's like, well, if you miss 
that, you're going to feel it 

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in. 
So you feel better, once you end

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up doing it. 
And so, it's sometimes it's just

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about One removing those right 
left limits. 

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And then I say discipline, but 
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people at times. 
It's just just doing it, you 

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know? 
Just You know, and then if you 

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don't do it, don't beat yourself
up. 

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That's the other thing. 
He's probably see. 

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That was like, clients you work 
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things like that. 
It's like I cheated on, you 

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know, blue macros or whatever it
is, and then they can go through

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that hole then spiral and you 
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And so yeah, when it comes to 
like, a lot of people don't, 

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they probably haven't heard our 
first episode because it's been 

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so long, but but you're doing 
all of this. 

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Like, when you do that, that 
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month in 2018. 
This is all to raise awareness 

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for veterans in Your Arsenal of 
Hope brand. 

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Can you kind of touch on that 
and what that is in the back of 

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your mind? 
Every time you're putting one 

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foot in front of the other? 
Yeah, so a lot of I mean for me 

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and what I realize is that the 
for me so many often when you 

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deal with like military VA 
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they put right and left limits 
on you pretty hard to get those 

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things. 
And my background is actually in

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kinesiology and all those Human 
Performance Sports Science, all 

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that fun stuff. 
And you know, I hit a point 

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where I was like, started doing 
these things and, you know, I 

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start doing keto and low carb 
and change the way. 

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I felt like I felt completely 
different, right? 

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And so I felt amazing and then I
was able to do these things that

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I was said I couldn't do. 
And so I wanted to get that word

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out to other vets because so 
often like you lose hope I mean 

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you do it's like I'm I heard 
I've been paying, you know, like

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every day like it's a struggle 
and you can still be human being

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but it doesn't, you know, like 
you feel like after somebody 

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Time. 
It's hard. 

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You know, like I can't when it 
hurts that to get out of bed and

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takes you an hour like yeah, 
that's that can, you know, play 

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serious effects. 
And so to me, I wanted to start 

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doing something where I was able
to start one. 

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Showing people that, hey, look. 
I was told I could never run 

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again, and look at me. 
Now, you know, by making some 

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simple lifestyle changes and 
then, the other thing is that, I

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mean, I, I'm an engineer, you 
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Used to, I mean, I did used to 
work in, you know, with 

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Collegiate, professional 
athletes and things like that. 

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And so I had this unique 
understanding of how the body 

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works. 
And so starting to, you know, 

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take what I learned in Academia 
than in real experience and then

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and then give back to the vendor
Community as well. 

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Because I mean, like, I go to 
the VA now, and I'm pretty 

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fortunate as some good doctors, 
but they're not all great. 

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And so So, some of the things 
that I've learned, I've been 

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blessed to have awesome mentors 
in that in that world. 

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And so, I started then just 
taking in working with, with 

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veterans, which is called 
post-rehab training and health 

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coaching and things like that 
and just doing that. 

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And so providing all those 
Services where I can you know, 

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free of charge, you know, I have
all this certification very like

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over 70 of them from Crossfit to
USA W to, you know, all your 

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cscs and any all those acronyms.
You can also put super that 

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stuff. 
And so, like I said, I was doing

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that for a long time. 
I did that for a few years. 

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And so, so, yeah, that was kind 
of the big thing. 

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And then just again, helping 
people get back on their feet 

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and figure out. 
Hey, like, guess what? 

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I don't have to sit in my 
basement all day, you know, I 

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can actually get out and do 
something. 

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So I make these small 
modifications or have the stuff 

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in my life serving, connect them
with resources as well and 

439
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:38,400
pretty well connected in 
different areas. 

440
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,800
Has and just whatever I could do
to get them to realize that 

441
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,300
there's hope out there and 
that's kind of see where you get

442
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:51,900
name, arsenal of Hope. 
And so so yeah, that's the yeah,

443
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:56,300
so I think that I think today 
it's it's going to be, it's been

444
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:58,200
a bit because I've seen things 
on my personal life. 

445
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,600
I haven't got stuff. 
Let's do a couple of years. 

446
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,900
When we reached over 1,000 bets 
that I worked with personally, 

447
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,500
one form or another. 
In-person Telehealth, or just, 

448
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:13,200
you know, just different 
Outreach things. 

449
00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:15,800
So, it was really super 
rewarding, one of the most 

450
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,100
rewarding things I've done. 
Once again, like when we did 

451
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,500
that 50 mile, March after the 
key do something Omaha last 

452
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:27,000
year, we did that. 
It was like a 50 mile March from

453
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:31,000
Lincoln to Omaha, Omaha, Lincoln
number which, but it was just, 

454
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,400
you know, straight run through 
the night and that was all for 

455
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,300
Veterans as well. 
Jay Morales is one of our good 

456
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,700
friends and he kind of 
orchestrates that conference 

457
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,700
with Jamie and he's a veteran 
Air Force, I believe. 

458
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,700
And he was just compelled to 
make this March and I don't 

459
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:50,000
know. 
Really anybody in my family. 

460
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,500
I've got a lot of friends that 
are in the different military 

461
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,800
branches, but I haven't had it. 
Been the family that I can 

462
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,100
really point to but I got 
involved with this March and you

463
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:04,000
know 50 miles March and non-stop
is no joke that my feet were 

464
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,200
just totally know what I think -
I think my feet. 

465
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,400
Back to that then they were 
after this fit them all four by 

466
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,000
four by forty eight, honestly. 
Yeah, but that last little 

467
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000
stretch man, like we were coming
in when it was all said and 

468
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,200
done. 
Like I've got freaking blisters.

469
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,800
I'm hurting and we have to climb
this hill. 

470
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,400
This last little stretch is a 
hill. 

471
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,600
So it's just like, you know, 
straight up. 

472
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,300
And then we Crest this hill and 
then we'll walk into the parking

473
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,600
lot where we're like being 
received. 

474
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,400
There's like hundreds of people 
there. 

475
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,500
Greeting us. 
For this March, and most of them

476
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,500
are veterans. 
There's like a big, you know, 

477
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,900
powwow cookout. 
They got like, you know, food 

478
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,100
trucks and bunch of American 
flags and everybody's just, you 

479
00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,000
know, they're in the camaraderie
is on a whole nother level. 

480
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,300
But like, there was, there was 
several events that were like, 

481
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:59,200
in wheelchairs, like crying as 
we walked in marched into this 

482
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800
parking lot, and they're just 
like congratulating us and 

483
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,400
clapping. 
And that, that was just a 

484
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,500
surreal experience for me, man, 
like being able to Play a small 

485
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:14,500
role in a part of something. 
So, big and seeing all of the, 

486
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,300
all of the the positivity, and 
just the energy that came from 

487
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,700
that, like I was super honored 
to be a part of it. 

488
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,500
And, you know, like I said, I 
don't have any family in the 

489
00:27:23,508 --> 00:27:28,400
military per se, but, you know, 
the reality of what that 

490
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,700
sacrifice is is, is nothing to 
take lightly nothing to take for

491
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,800
granted. 
And I feel, I felt very honored 

492
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,300
to be able to play a role in 
that and help raise. 

493
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600
When I think we raised like 130 
150 thousand dollars or 

494
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,200
something like that for vents. 
Wow, that's awesome. 

495
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Yeah, I miss super cool man. 
It was donated to two different 

496
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,100
organizations overshoot. 
I don't remember. 

497
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,400
The name is M1 was guitars for 
events and you mentioned that at

498
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000
the beginning before we started 
recording, but I'd love to kind 

499
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,500
of use this as a segue to talk 
about bad because I don't really

500
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,500
fully understand the concept of 
it all. 

501
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:08,100
But what I feel like I grasp is 
that they basically by guitars 

502
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,000
and then Each these veterans, 
how to play the guitar and that 

503
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,500
becomes a creative Outlet 
positive outlet for them. 

504
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:19,600
So that distracts many of them 
from taking their own life and 

505
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,200
going down a very dark path, 
basically. 

506
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,900
Well, yeah, I mean that's it. 
Got by part part of it and I'll 

507
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,800
give some back story to how I 
got involved. 

508
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:38,000
So why not give them notice. 
I used to, I played I played a 

509
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,900
bunch of instruments, but I play
guitar for 20, some odd years, 

510
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,100
even when I was in the Army 
would play and, you know, played

511
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:48,200
like gigs and bars, and stuff 
like that, between deployments 

512
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,100
and stuff. 
And a lot of me, always music 

513
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,300
was such a huge part. 
Of life. 

514
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,700
And actually one of the guitars 
I've have I it's I mean it's 

515
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,700
been on six continents. 
I mean it's been all over the 

516
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:02,300
world and anytime, you know, bad
stuff happened. 

517
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,500
It's you know, you end up 
getting it out and just and I 

518
00:29:05,508 --> 00:29:07,900
never realizes the time but it 
was helping process. 

519
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:12,400
Some of these emotions that you 
go through and, you know, I used

520
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,900
to write music and said, I 
hadn't for a long time and I 

521
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:19,400
said, I kind of stopped it when 
I was in the Army a little bit 

522
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,800
in, and I realized that I hadn't
fully processed what I was going

523
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,900
through and stuff like that. 
So it's a lot of different 

524
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:29,300
layered emotions that you deal 
with. 

525
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:35,400
And so, you know, Flash Forward 
to last year. 

526
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,000
I and I hadn't really played for
a long time, really, probably 

527
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,200
been 12 years or something like 
that. 

528
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,100
I really is. 
It didn't play and it's just 

529
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,400
kind of said Dusty in my 
basement, my guitar, and some 

530
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,200
stuff happened in my Personal 
life, that kind of kind of all 

531
00:29:55,208 --> 00:29:59,400
fell apart. 
And I just one day, I picked up 

532
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000
my guitar and I just started 
playing again for the first 

533
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
time. 
And I notice that I don't even 

534
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,500
know how long it decade-plus and
I just playing and singing. 

535
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,200
And I didn't realize anyone was 
home and my kids came downstairs

536
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,500
and they just they're so nice or
go. 

537
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:18,800
Like I was a radio. 
But, um, You know, it just I 

538
00:30:18,808 --> 00:30:22,300
started playing again and it 
just helped me kind of process 

539
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,700
what I was dealing with my 
personal life. 

540
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,200
And so You know, I started doing
some research. 

541
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,700
I work at I work at Ford who 
I've done some stuff the Ford 

542
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:39,400
fund before, which is like the 
charity arm of the company and 

543
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,600
the charity division in. 
When I was running. 

544
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,500
I had done some stuff with them 
and I saw something I can 

545
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:46,700
emailed. 
It was talking about guitars for

546
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,400
vets or some like that, and I 
was like, what's that? 

547
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,100
And so I kind of, you know, got 
into it and I started doing some

548
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,900
research and Reached out and I 
was like, hey, I'm interested in

549
00:30:57,908 --> 00:30:59,400
this program. 
You know, you tell me what it's 

550
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,200
about. 
And so I went and I showed up 

551
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,700
and and I brought my guitar and 
I knew she was going to be a 

552
00:31:04,708 --> 00:31:06,900
student is like I'd really like 
to learn how to, you know, play 

553
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,700
play again, not realizing, you 
know, like just kind of pick up 

554
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
kind of like riding a bike. 
You pick it up as you go and so 

555
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,000
I started playing, I like you 
you don't you don't need to be a

556
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,500
student here that you can teach.
And so I started teaching with 

557
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,500
them. 
So, I came on as an instructor 

558
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:30,300
and so and as I've gone through,
obviously, the music could help 

559
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:34,200
me. 
Personally, not just process 

560
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,600
definitely help process. 
A lot of the things that we do 

561
00:31:36,608 --> 00:31:39,300
in the military, but the all the
kind of that kind of personal 

562
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:40,800
stuff. 
I was going through as well. 

563
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,200
It was huge. 
Like, I didn't even like, I feel

564
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,500
like a completely different 
person which is amazing. 

565
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:51,000
And so as I've been teaching 
going through, now our came 

566
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,100
around a cycle to since I've 
been through, but watching these

567
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,600
these some of these guys and 
girls go through and play and 

568
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,400
you see how they're affect 
changes, right? 

569
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,100
And I don't want anyone saying 
names because I don't I'm not 

570
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:08,900
sure how they feel about it. 
But one of those guys he was a 

571
00:32:08,908 --> 00:32:10,600
marine and you know, went 
through Fallujah pretty rough 

572
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,300
times. 
Obviously, it was always a hard 

573
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:18,700
time and you know, I remember 
starting with him and then by 

574
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,900
the end of the the cycle by the 
end of the 10 weeks, he was like

575
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,400
a different person. 
And I just heard few weeks ago. 

576
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800
He's like been out. 
He's like I'm playing with my 

577
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,800
son now and you know, we're, you
know, we're mess around and you 

578
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,000
just a completely different 
person. 

579
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,100
And so That's not the first 
time, that's not the first 

580
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:35,800
perfect. 
It's you see that kind of broad 

581
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,100
spectrum and some of these are 
like, older events, like, you 

582
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,800
know, the Vietnam era and 
there's 80s and 90s. 

583
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,300
And some we have obviously there
are more recent, but you see 

584
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:50,500
that as they learn is their 
learning and growing, it's 

585
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,400
changing. 
Its changing them as a person, 

586
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,700
right? 
And so sometimes you might be 

587
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,400
stuck in a rut in life and it 
kind of helps them get past that

588
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:58,400
and it's just that creative 
outlet. 

589
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,300
And so it's just an unbelievable
program. 

590
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,200
I can't. 
It's In terms of things that 

591
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,400
I've been a part of working 
with, that's, it's probably the 

592
00:33:07,408 --> 00:33:09,400
best thing. 
I've actually seen in terms of 

593
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:15,300
driving results, that the amount
that you get their Roi, because 

594
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,700
I'll be honest like with with 
certain red. 

595
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,000
Like, team are to be B and some 
of the ones that are physical 

596
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,100
activity based like for me, 
like, I hate running with 

597
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,300
people, I still do, you know, so
it's like I'm not the only one 

598
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,900
that feels like that. 
There's people who are, like, I 

599
00:33:26,908 --> 00:33:29,500
can't do these things because of
whatever, you know, limitations 

600
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,100
they have but, you know, you get
them in planning it. 

601
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,300
Tar. 
And we have adapter programs as 

602
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,300
well. 
I mean, I'll play Guitar. 

603
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:37,700
Ukulele. 
You guys have played bass and 

604
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:39,700
drums. 
All sorts of different things 

605
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:44,100
that we can get them playing 
regardless of their health, and 

606
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:48,600
their conditions they have. 
And so, it's been such a, like I

607
00:33:48,608 --> 00:33:53,800
said, it's been amazing to watch
and I've seen Everyone that's 

608
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,800
kind of gone through and still 
involve a stood. 

609
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,300
Now. 
We have like jam sessions, once 

610
00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:00,000
a month. 
We'll come back and we'll play 

611
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,300
and mix. 
It is. 

612
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,800
It's one of those things where 
it's unbelievable. 

613
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,300
And so the program how it works 
is that it's a 10-week program 

614
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,800
and then you sign up, you get 
assigned at the instructor. 

615
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,100
And then if you don't have a 
guitar like a practice with Will

616
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,900
loan, you one will get you one 
and then you'll have that and 

617
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,500
that's what we practice with. 
And then when the program is 

618
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:26,199
done, we She gives you a guitar,
we whether it's electric or 

619
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,900
acoustic, whatever you want. 
I will give them that. 

620
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,000
And so it's our electric. 
I know from like me. 

621
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,300
I just I bought a bunch of Vamps
and donated those. 

622
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,600
So they can have those as well 
under when they finish the 

623
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,300
program. 
So some guys love to shred some 

624
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,300
guys. 
I'm ordering a singer-songwriter

625
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:46,100
acoustic style. 
But yeah, so we in essence just 

626
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:49,500
do what we can to help. 
Me how you helped that. 

627
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,400
And so it's not like I said, 
it's an awesome program. 

628
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,500
I can't say enough positive 
things. 

629
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:54,699
And so that money that went 
there. 

630
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:57,900
It went to an amazing cause 
that's making tangible 

631
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,100
difference. 
And so, yeah, this is super 

632
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,400
cool, man. 
So, like, 10 weeks, like, had a 

633
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,500
veteran's. 
Learn about this. 

634
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:07,900
They just like Google programs 
for vets. 

635
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,300
They find this or, how does that
work? 

636
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,200
It's, you know, it's it's, 
that's the, that's the tricky 

637
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,000
part, right? 
Because You have to be, so it's 

638
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,100
not a VA program. 
But it's if you get referred to 

639
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:21,800
it through the VA through mental
health. 

640
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,200
And so it's sometimes, it's 
absolutely, you have to have 

641
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,600
good people at your VA to know 
about this. 

642
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:32,600
And so now we've been doing more
Outreach and we kind of started 

643
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,400
a band. 
And when every time I go out and

644
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
I and I'm playing shows and 
stuff like that as well. 

645
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,800
Like, I always make sure I shout
that out as well. 

646
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,900
But you have to gently go 
through like your VA mental 

647
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,300
health thing. 
Coney Island, says, guitars 

648
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,300
reverse, and then they'll do 
their due diligence and figure 

649
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,400
it out here in Detroit. 
We have, obviously, we're really

650
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000
well connected and plugged into 
that all the mental health 

651
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,300
teams, but you reach out to them
about that, then they were free 

652
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,000
to it. 
And then, then they, we get to 

653
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,200
their name, and then that's how 
it starts. 

654
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:08,500
And so, we've been recent outre 
been trying to be more 

655
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:13,200
proactive. 
And so like this, two weekends 

656
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,200
ago. 
I we had like a Open house, like

657
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,100
it's a veteran's, open house, 
and lie. 

658
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:24,000
We got 11 people in had never 
heard about the program. 

659
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,500
We got them in and signed up. 
And so and then which will 

660
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:31,500
connect them with the VA and 
then they'll obviously get them 

661
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:38,800
all the right paperwork. 
So yeah, how often are the Vets 

662
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,500
meeting when you have a student,
how often do they meet and you 

663
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,200
to learn to play over that to 
make span? 

664
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,200
I mean generally it's like once 
a week, but if those you have 

665
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,200
for me like that, I'm sure you 
might be the same way when you 

666
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,400
whe when someone's really 
excited about something and 

667
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,100
going home either, you know, 
someone wants to meet I'll do 

668
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,200
like an extra virtual so I might
do a two-week. 

669
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,300
Like I have a lady right now. 
She's awesome. 

670
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:07,100
She's in her 60s and she's just 
really gung-ho about playing and

671
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,600
so like will meet once a week 
and she lie like out tonight is 

672
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,200
actually I'll go and I'll, I'll 
meet with her tonight and then 

673
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,600
I'll do Do another virtual one 
like on Zoom or something like 

674
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:24,600
that just to kind of check in. 
And so so that's is, we're all 

675
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,100
we all just love playing and so 
in, you know, someone wants to 

676
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,400
play with if they sure. 
And then a lot of the students, 

677
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,600
once you've come to the program,
you're always welcome to come 

678
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,700
back and whatever. 
Nice, there's license, whatever 

679
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,700
you can come, hang out, play, 
and keep building on that skill.

680
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:47,100
And so Yeah, like I said, it's 
it's amazing. 

681
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:50,800
When you see when you get to 
know someone over the course of 

682
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,300
a couple months and you can see 
there at like when they walk in 

683
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:59,800
and You know, the in suggest the
look in their eyes and they're, 

684
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,100
you know, the effect, and 
whether that's, you know, 

685
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,000
they're trying to scan the room 
for whatever because they're 

686
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,600
unsure or even start welding by 
the end of that program. 

687
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,400
Their shoulders are back their 
heads, High, you know, their 

688
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,500
eyes are glowing and they're 
just excited to be there. 

689
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,300
So, you know, once they learn 
that, you know, it's generally 

690
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,200
we will see, we will see some of
the changes once they start 

691
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,500
learning how to change chords 
because like that. 

692
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:25,000
So we start to see that 
transition when they can start, 

693
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200
there's a song that they like to
play will Now they start to do 

694
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,600
that like oh man, it's awesome. 
And so he said it's one of those

695
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,900
things were, I can't say enough 
great things about it. 

696
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:40,000
And you think it's mostly just 
the at the creative aspect of 

697
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,400
it. 
Like bringing somebody that 

698
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,900
yeah, doesn't really have a 
great about like thank out like 

699
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,200
that and then just immersing 
them in. 

700
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,300
So they're learning a new skill 
or around other people that are 

701
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,200
skilled. 
So they've got the student 

702
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,600
mentality and they're seeing 
kind of the fruits of their 

703
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,100
labor unfold week after week. 
Well, I think it's I think it's 

704
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,500
a couple. 
There's a couple things in 

705
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,100
there. 
One because I do believe in 

706
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,000
things like art therapy, create 
a therapy. 

707
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,800
There's some really awesome 
organization set that do that. 

708
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,600
I think it's more effective than
say like those health and 

709
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,700
wellness based kind of things, 
but that aren't therapy that 

710
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:17,400
ability to create things like 
that. 

711
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,800
There's a Well, I guess it 
probably should have been, you 

712
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,100
know, revisit this and that and 
done my research. 

713
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,600
Again, this is kind of my 
background. 

714
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,500
So I should know this. 
But some this kind of said this 

715
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,300
broad spectrum effect that you 
have that has when you, these 

716
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,900
creative Outlets have, and then 
you're also learning something 

717
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,700
new and then you're going from 
there. 

718
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:42,300
And so it's one of those things 
were, there's so many positives 

719
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:46,500
to it rats. 
Like I said, I've seen Not just 

720
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:49,200
from my own experience. 
Like I said, I am coming 

721
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,500
through, what I've gone through 
my personal life, but these guys

722
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:56,600
as well, like, you know, I've I 
dealt with my running, all those

723
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,000
races who really helped me kind 
of deal with a lot of the things

724
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,700
I went to the military, but just
from the things like, I was 

725
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,600
going through my personal life 
and having that kind of fall 

726
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,500
apart the ability to have that 
outlet healthy process, music 

727
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:13,600
helped me process that stuff. 
And you know, I actually started

728
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,900
writing music again, which is 
which has been Kind of crazy the

729
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:21,200
first time in 16 years of, you 
know, written some songs. 

730
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,600
So it's one of those things 
where the selfishly I can see 

731
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,600
what it's done for me, but in a 
different area, I've seen what 

732
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,900
it's done for all these other 
people, you know, we've seen 

733
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:35,000
people who they go into the 
program and all of a sudden 

734
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,300
their attitude and Outlook has 
changed now, they're, you know, 

735
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,500
now they're interviewing for 
jobs and they're being more 

736
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,500
active with her their treatment 
that they need at the VA a 

737
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:45,700
Traer. 
Whatever, Hospital. 

738
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:48,400
So they're being proactive with 
life and it seems these 

739
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,100
carryover effects. 
And so yeah, you have any other 

740
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,000
platforms besides Instagram, 
like you need to be YouTube in 

741
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,200
this or something and I don't 
know how your audience and dig 

742
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,000
around. 
It is. 

743
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,800
Yeah. 
Well, you know, that's like the 

744
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,900
I go back and forth is one of 
the reasons I stopped doing so 

745
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:12,500
much with arsenal of Hope is 
because I felt like I was, it 

746
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:17,500
was it was all about. 
Not product placement, but I was

747
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:22,700
doing so much this stuff where I
mean, the formula simple, right?

748
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,200
Show up and do what you got to 
do. 

749
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,900
And that's it. 
And you can't make that 

750
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,800
captivating, you know, like it's
just consistency is what it is 

751
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,700
with this, you know, with the 
music. 

752
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,200
I don't I don't want it to be a 
self-serving thing because for 

753
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,700
me, like I just love playing, 
you know, and doing that stuff 

754
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:48,200
from the are Our guitars were, 
that's chapter were working on 

755
00:41:48,207 --> 00:41:51,200
being more active, on social 
media, but they're still trying 

756
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,500
to figure that out. 
It's some dudes. 

757
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,700
Were older than me, that they 
actually are the admins. 

758
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,900
And so, but once we get that 
figured out, we will. 

759
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:03,400
But I don't and I'll set up one 
probably different for like, my 

760
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,100
for music and stuff. 
If I want to if I get that point

761
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,900
again, so Ben It co sometimes 
it's true because it's like to 

762
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,600
me I do it because I love it, 
you know and and over Co what I 

763
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,800
picked up a bunch of different. 
It's like well, you know, I do 

764
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,400
it because I enjoy it. 
If I do it for other reasons and

765
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,500
is it, does it take away from 
those things? 

766
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,900
And so but there, you can charge
for vets does have the Instagram

767
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,900
and Facebook and all that other 
fun stuff. 

768
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,400
So they're an awesome place to 
follow, you know, it's a great 

769
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,600
organization. 
We're hoping to do some more 

770
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,300
things where Musically, we were 
able to kind of showcase. 

771
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:48,600
You know, what the the Vets have
gone to gone through and down 

772
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,100
like battle, the band type 
stuff. 

773
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,700
But these are all things that we
kind of have to learn the kind 

774
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:58,600
of Grassroots are working on. 
And so yeah. 

775
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Well, you're like one of the, I 
mean we haven't talked in a few 

776
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,600
years if you were saying 
earlier, but I mean, you're 

777
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000
consistently doing some crazy 
awesome stuff, man. 

778
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,800
Like the first time we talked 
and even know how he got 

779
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,800
connected. 
I don't remember. 

780
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,300
But, you know, you you were 
injured in the military in the 

781
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,200
Army. 
Told you can never run again. 

782
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:21,700
Then you start running, an ultra
marathon every single month, 

783
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,000
Grand 107, miles, and 22 hours. 
Now, you're doing all this for 

784
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,100
the veterans, you know, in a 
totally different way, with with

785
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,800
the guitars for events, and you 
just change in lies and you're 

786
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,400
incredibly inspirational. 
Individual man. 

787
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,200
So like you need more than two 
and thirty seven followers 

788
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,800
because people would people 
would people would look at your 

789
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:44,600
Tori and be inspired, I mean, 
I've been inspired every time. 

790
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,600
I every time I hear about what 
you're doing and you certainly 

791
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,900
don't want to do it in a 
self-serving manner, but I just 

792
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:55,300
want to give you like a 
megaphone to help more people by

793
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,300
simply doing what you're already
doing, you know. 

794
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,800
Yeah, I mean, it's like I said, 
it's the last last two years 

795
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,500
have been kind of difficult for 
me and a personal level. 

796
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:11,200
And so I'm just I'm kind of 
getting through that that time. 

797
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:18,300
And so that's once I do that. 
I'm Which hopefully it'll be 

798
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:22,500
wrapped up soon. 
It will be easier for me to do 

799
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:29,000
kind of do more of this stuff. 
And so, you know, like I said, 

800
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,700
I'm not, I had to kind of add 
attempt to take a pause, try to 

801
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:37,500
figure out my personal life and,
you know, that I've done 

802
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:41,500
another, that's kind of sort 
itself out in whatever, way can 

803
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,700
I think it's for the best? 
I'm able to start kind of being 

804
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,100
intentional again. 
If you will. 

805
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:51,800
And so to me, like I said, the 
big things are just showing up 

806
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,700
and, you know, being like that 
guy, Steve. 

807
00:44:54,300 --> 00:45:00,900
And now that I've started doing 
that again, now, I'm trying to 

808
00:45:00,908 --> 00:45:02,700
find my legs to kind of get that
out there. 

809
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,500
I just my big concern is, I 
don't want it to be. 

810
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,100
Like self-serving if you would 
like and it's not my goal is I 

811
00:45:11,107 --> 00:45:13,400
want to keep his altruistic as 
possible because I mean I 

812
00:45:13,408 --> 00:45:16,400
believe in this program. 
I think I really do that. 

813
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,900
You're thinking like that on the
front end. 

814
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:21,900
Like that tells me everything. 
I need to know like I don't 

815
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:25,000
think he would ever be able to 
make it self-serving because of 

816
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,700
the person you are in the way 
you think. 

817
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,800
I mean, you've got like an 
internal system of checks and 

818
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,400
balances that you would never 
even allow yourself to venture 

819
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,400
out in a way that is not 
benefiting the Overall goal and 

820
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,500
the veteran and I don't think 
you would ever have to worry 

821
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,800
about that. 
Just based off of what I do know

822
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,900
about you because you're asking 
these questions already, you 

823
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:54,800
know. yeah, I mean I said, it's 
it's it's just, I mean, to me, 

824
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,100
like I said, I, when I find 
something I believe in in, you 

825
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:04,500
know, like I said, I've seen the
power of this and I mean I've 

826
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:09,100
seen no fewer than you know, 
like 15 lives changed completely

827
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,800
like the trajectory of their 
lives changed because of this 

828
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:18,200
program and I mean there's a 
whole science behind it. 

829
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,600
There really is I actually do 
know it, I just write them at a 

830
00:46:20,607 --> 00:46:23,900
loss for it right now. 
But, you know, like I said, I'm 

831
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,900
excited. 
I'm excited to be playing again 

832
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,200
and kind of finding my voice 
also, so, there's a lot of great

833
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,400
things, like I said, going on in
my life right now. 

834
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:38,800
Kind of taken some steps into 
the new into a new kind of Brave

835
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,200
New World and seeing where it 
opens up. 

836
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,200
But like I said, this is one of 
those things where I definitely 

837
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,800
want to. 
I just want to make sure I do it

838
00:46:48,808 --> 00:46:52,000
the right way. 
And yeah, you know, so let me 

839
00:46:52,008 --> 00:46:56,100
spec that, man. 
Totally off off course here, but

840
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,000
are you still like, what are you
doing your nutrition? 

841
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
I you're still doing pretty much
changing diet. 

842
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:06,000
I stayed I stayed more more like
low-carb just because I feel 

843
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,800
better doing that. 
I it's it's hard. 

844
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,600
It's not hard to Quito but Griff
my schedule. 

845
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
It's been really hard to kind of
get back in that swing. 

846
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,500
But I know, if I stay low carb, 
I'm good. 

847
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:26,700
The big thing is, like I said, I
just tried to I just do try to 

848
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:31,500
do my yoga and then the strength
training as well. 

849
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:34,500
I dislocated my ankle a couple 
weeks ago, coaching soccer. 

850
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,300
And so they got put back in 
place, but I'm dealing with a 

851
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,400
kind of a broken. 
Don't know what's out of place 

852
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,900
talents or whatever one of my 
footprint of a struggle, but not

853
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:48,900
dietary. 
Like I said, I stay as a whole 

854
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:51,600
low carb, there's some things 
that I do like to do with the 

855
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,900
kids, like, you know, like it's 
a summer coming up now. 

856
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,600
So I get some ice. 
Or some like that, but the good 

857
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:03,900
news is I figured out what works
for me in terms of, I don't beat

858
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:06,600
myself up over things. 
You know, that's you have that 

859
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,800
kind of that mindset were 
listen, if I have this it's 

860
00:48:11,808 --> 00:48:14,000
going to be okay. 
It's not going to it's not going

861
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,100
to kill me, but I might get back
down in there. 

862
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:21,500
Like I said, I might just play 
around in the next few months. 

863
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:25,400
I've been kind of, is I move and
transition. 

864
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Current house along stuff. 
I will try to, I think I will 

865
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,700
just because like I said that, 
you know, I really only found 

866
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,200
using carbs as I got days. 
Are I'm super active, you know, 

867
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,500
honestly, like I generally, stay
below, 100 100 grams. 

868
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:45,000
Sometimes it will blow 75. 
But, yeah, totally. 

869
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:48,300
So, how long you been doing 
yoga? 

870
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:54,000
I've been doing on an offer. 
For like four years. 

871
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Now, five years, really since 
before I started running doing 

872
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,400
that, is when I use an app. 
So like I have an app yoga 

873
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,400
studio app and I do in the sauna
Yoga City. 

874
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,200
So yeah. 
Yeah, it's done every Android 

875
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,200
and Apple but I, yeah, I go and 
I go to a sauna and I, that's 

876
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200
why I do yoga. 
Do you like anyone like a 15 to 

877
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,700
a 50 minute class? 
Depends on kind of what I had 

878
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:21,400
going on? 
And yeah, so it's super hot 

879
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,700
yoga. 
But I do that if I don't do that

880
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,400
and I feel it and it's so tight 
and because of what I do for my 

881
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,600
day job now. 
I'm a little more more mobile, 

882
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,900
but there's a lot of time with 
the pandemic being outside of 

883
00:49:36,908 --> 00:49:40,600
computer. 
So now the things of open back 

884
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,100
up and I have a less 
complications down my my 

885
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,700
personal life. 
I can I have little bit more 

886
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:51,100
freedom to kind of do some of 
the stuff and get back into that

887
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:54,300
routine. 
So, I'm hoping to get back. 

888
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:56,800
Like I said, I don't know about 
running anymore. 

889
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,600
Like, this is the problem. 
Is that my God just in 107 

890
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,100
miles. 
So I could do 200 her somewhere.

891
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,100
Might say, hey, have you heard 
this Trail? 

892
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:06,400
Would you want to run this and 
like well, it's see. 

893
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,200
It's let's see. 
That's 700 something miles. 

894
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,700
Yeah, I think I could do that 
about three weeks. 

895
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:12,700
Maybe you know what? 
It's like. 

896
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:16,900
Now I got to stop. 
Yeah, so totally totally get 

897
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:19,800
that. 
But, do you do anything else 

898
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,100
Mobility Wise from like a 
Proactive care standpoint, 

899
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,600
besides the yoga like you doing 
deep tissue massage or anything 

900
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,800
like that. 
You know, I'm I've been so 

901
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:36,100
blessed with resources and such.
So like, you know, not only do I

902
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:40,500
have that training the base of 
knowledge and those things, you 

903
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:42,900
know, from the trigger point 
stuff, a lot of stuff but I have

904
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,800
like the hyper I those, you 
know, massage guns. 

905
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,900
I have normal Tech pants and the
whole suit. 

906
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:52,900
And so I have all these things 
at my disposal, which Like I 

907
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,700
said, I was using the lost a lot
of times I was working at the 

908
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:55,800
vet. 
So I've been doing a lot of 

909
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,900
those things with just some 
Mobility, you know, stuff that 

910
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:01,000
makes the biggest difference 
with them, in all honesty. 

911
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,200
And so I have all these, I have 
all these those resources there 

912
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,700
and then the va's provided me, 
the bunch more as well. 

913
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:15,900
So, you know, it's kind of like,
what am I feeling that day, but 

914
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:18,900
I generally have a yoga flow 
that I do. 

915
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,600
If I do that, I'm, you know, 
that takes away all my aches and

916
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,500
pains. 
If I'm coming out for my session

917
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:29,000
of training or like, coaching, 
like I coach soccer. 

918
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,200
I don't know. 
I used to so before I was in the

919
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,600
military as a professional 
soccer player. 

920
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,800
I don't know if you knew that or
not. 

921
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,100
And so, but now I got I just got
back to coaching my kids. 

922
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,600
I used to coach in college and 
some, you know, so they're using

923
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,600
location long time ago, and I 
took a big time off at and now 

924
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,800
I'm coach my kids again, since 
the things. 

925
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,800
And so, if I'm sore from that, I
have the ability to let me Over 

926
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:55,700
now though, and I think, I think
that's super key. 

927
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,000
I've been trying to dig more 
into proactive care like that 

928
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,700
because I've always I've always 
been a guy that just kind of 

929
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:02,900
kick it down the curb and never 
really does any kind of 

930
00:52:02,908 --> 00:52:06,000
stretching and Mobility work, 
but I feel like I'm going to 

931
00:52:06,008 --> 00:52:07,900
have to start rest is going to 
catch up with me. 

932
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,000
It's, you know, with with the 
especially the amount of muscle 

933
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,800
you have. 
I don't see if you just 

934
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,900
Incorporated some yoga and 
they're, you know, I generally 

935
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,000
like for me when I lift. 
This is a I do. 

936
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,100
Like, I do strength training 
know but it's lessons like, you 

937
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:23,600
know, three by five, you know, 
Shouting string kind of stuff, 

938
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:27,600
you know, just, you know, since 
for lifts and then yoga, that's 

939
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,700
it. 
That's how I prepared to run 

940
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,900
that, you know, 22 hours that 
protocol. 

941
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,400
Yeah, and so, which was 
nonsensical to most people, but 

942
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,200
it was super effective. 
But but I would augment those 

943
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,200
that stuff with with yoga. 
I had no joint issues and I'm 

944
00:52:45,207 --> 00:52:48,200
gonna have a fake hip and so 
people like your knees are going

945
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,500
to be bad in this and that it's 
like I don't know what to tell 

946
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:50,900
you. 
Like. 

947
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:52,100
I right now. 
I'm not think I'm rolling around

948
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,900
like 70. 
And so I got to drop some other 

949
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,900
similar to the process of 
dropping, some more weight, but 

950
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:59,700
back then the dancing. 
Wait, but I mean for me like 

951
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:02,500
2:30 is like is actually really 
skinny for me. 

952
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Yeah, so unfortunately, based on
my frame. 

953
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:10,100
So what you got a lot of muscle 
man, I mean, you're you're 

954
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:14,200
impressive because you don't fit
most people's molds for how 

955
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,700
people should do things like 
from a dietary standpoint from a

956
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:19,700
training standpoint. 
And anytime there's like, an 

957
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,300
outlier that's not going in with
the status quo. 

958
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,800
I like it piques my interest. 
So you're always piquing, my 

959
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,900
interest always doing something 
super impressive. 

960
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,000
I'm always excited to catch up 
with and see what you got going 

961
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,500
on. 
Man. 

962
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:33,500
Is there anything else that's 
kind of in the pipeline and 

963
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,900
exciting for me, besides the, 
the guitar for veteran. 

964
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:40,800
Now another another awesome 
resource, so they're better than

965
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,900
organization, by the way, it's 
called PGA hope. 

966
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:49,200
And so actually, I got into golf
and it's another, it's another 

967
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,800
free program and they do like 16
weeks of lessons with the DJ 

968
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,700
Pro, The Constructor. 
And I mean, I've seen them where

969
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:59,600
they have guys in, like the 
standing chairs, you know, it 

970
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:05,700
was a unbelievable program and I
really got into golf when the 

971
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:11,000
pandemic first hit, and I got 
down to just above a three 

972
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,400
handicap and I played a ton it 
was great because there's all 

973
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,800
those things that you for me. 
I loved about Marksmanship and 

974
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,800
shooting, apply those same rules
in the gulf and And so I found 

975
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,600
that to be really relaxing and 
fun, especially when you do with

976
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,100
a group of veterans and stuff 
like that, the camaraderie and 

977
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,000
everything. 
It's called PGA. 

978
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,100
Hope. 
I don't think I have a social 

979
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,300
media presence, but it's a free 
program for vets. 

980
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:41,100
And so, and that's all that's 
across the country as well. 

981
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:44,900
Just like guitars for vets. 
You know, there's so many great 

982
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:48,700
resources for vets that we just 
don't fully aren't fully aware 

983
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,900
and don't fully track because of
one reason the other. 

984
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:56,000
But To me some of these programs
have been fantastic, you know, I

985
00:54:56,008 --> 00:54:59,300
was never a golfer in all of a 
sudden, you know, you know, 

986
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,200
there's time. 
I'm qualified for the Korn Ferry

987
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,600
tour. 
I was like, oh, I don't want 

988
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,500
that kind of like for myself 
right now. 

989
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:12,600
But yeah, so it's totally things
where like I said, it's it's 

990
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,000
just taking those opportunities 
and embracing them, you know, 

991
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:17,900
and so hopefully I can help get 
that word out there. 

992
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,600
Well, you mean you getting the 
word out there you're doing it. 

993
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,800
You're living it. 
You're breathing it. 

994
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,500
I mean there's ever anything I 
can do to help spread the word 

995
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:27,400
any form or fashion Man by all 
means. 

996
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,000
Let me know if there's anything 
I can do for you personally. 

997
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,300
Let me know. 
I'm get much respect for you. 

998
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:32,600
What you've done, what you're 
doing. 

999
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,500
So keep keep making a difference
out there brother. 

1000
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:39,600
Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I 
have, I've seen some things 

1001
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,400
going on in my life. 
I might have more free time 

1002
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,200
coming up. 
So I'm going to take a road trip

1003
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,800
down at West, but I'm going to 
stop in Arkansas. 

1004
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,400
And say, what's up you guys. 
Hey, Mitchell. 

1005
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,500
Some, our doors are always open 
for you brother. 

1006
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:53,700
I won't I want to Wrangle you 
into doing any kind of crazy run

1007
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:56,500
or anything, but we get a 
lifting session in there for 

1008
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:57,400
sure. 
Sounds good man. 

1009
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,100
Awesome brother. 
Well, where do people go about 

1010
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,000
you more about you? 
Its arsenal of Hope is still 

1011
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,200
your primary Instagram, right? 
Yeah. 

1012
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,500
That's that's that's a primary 
one. 

1013
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:08,900
I've just started kind of 
putting stuff out there again. 

1014
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:12,100
I'm going to start doing some 
more content and then they start

1015
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:14,800
doing some more music stuff as 
well. 

1016
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,200
And kind of hopefully highlight 
some of the Vets and things like

1017
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,700
that, that we were because there
are some really talented guys 

1018
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:24,400
out there as well. 
So that's kind of my hope is to 

1019
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,700
start doing that. 
And then yeah, I mean, like I 

1020
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,500
said, when I start the more 
things that you like, so I'll 

1021
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,800
let you know, but right now I do
everything through arsenal of 

1022
00:56:33,808 --> 00:56:36,300
Hope. 
Yeah. 

1023
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Awesome. 
Awesome. 

1024
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,400
Well, I would Link at that, make
it easy people to find you like 

1025
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,900
sent me if there's anything I 
can do for you brother. 

1026
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:45,200
Just let me know. 
Ben likewise to man, likewise. 

1027
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,100
Take care and we'll talk to me. 
Sounds good, man.