Hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes, kilo, service.com.
Today, I've got special guest, Mike Bruce on the line and we
dive into all things. Parenting paleo nutrition.
He also has a young kid. Oh, his daughters four months
old. They're going the whole natural
route. They went the natural route with
the home birth, the pregnancy. All of that, someone to kind of
pick his brain there. See what he wanted to do with
her nutritionally speaking and just through their upbringing.
So very interesting podcast learned a lot to have, no doubt
that you will take something from this.
Got a lot of respect for Mike and the things that he's
interested in things that he's working on.
So that further Ado, sit back. Relax enjoy conversation with
Mike Bruce And we're lab my countrymen.
I'm great man. Nice to meet you likewise.
Likewise so we got connected I think through my newsletter that
the first place we got in touch. Yeah, that's right.
I've listened. It's one of those funny things.
I'm a huge podcast listener to a lot of podcast.
I've heard you on podcast. I never really dove into yours
too much, but I signed up for your email and I love your
emails. So that's really where I connect
with you. A lot is hearing you hearing
your voice written. Very cool.
I appreciate that, man.
So yeah, the, the topic, I think on that newsletter, we were
diving into like I have a newborn, you have a newborn, and
I think I was writing about cloth diapers without the
initial post, that's correct. Yeah.
And then you chimed in and said, you're also in part of the, the
cloth diaper clang. Oh yeah, I must confess them and
I feel like a poser right now. So we are not using cloth
diapers at the moment. Started with cloth diapers, we
use them for several months and then we found a really clean non
cloth diaper. So we went with that.
And then Chris and I weren't looking or talking about this
like the other day were like sweet, should we go back to
cloth diapers? And then we just kind of like
said no, yeah I mean maybe today I convince you, I can't convince
you but if not, it's still not a big deal, you just got to do
what works for you. You know, obviously you keep the
health of your baby, top of mind, but You do what you can.
There are so many other places that I'm sure you are acing.
It like not that not using cloth, diapers, isn't not a sing
it, you know? But I'm sure you are.
Crushing it across the board in so many ways and actually, I got
to correct that our first time chatting through email.
I think I we had a couple back and forth.
Several one, other topic, you mentioned and then I think I
threw out trogdor, okay? Then that's it and if a lot of
people out there, There might know trogdor and if you don't
it's totally worth looking up trogdor.
Just to never be able to get this song out of your head ever
again. It's and it's a fun one.
So yeah, I never heard of that prior to you mentioning it in
the email but then as soon as you did I YouTube didn't and now
it's stuck in my head, like you said, it would be?
Yeah, it's worthwhile. It's not like those.
It's not like a terrible 80s like song.
It's just a funny song. So yeah, totally the whole
video. So remind me.
How old is your kid? Oh no.
She just turned four months couple days ago, four months,
okay? And and just so we can kind of
give some context here as it pertains the clock by persons
who brought that up. What's the motivation for you?
For going the route of cloth? Diapers, I we're gonna bring
this back to nutrition. We're gonna make this a
legitimate but I guess. Yeah, for sure shirt.
And so, yeah, I'm a, I'm a primal health coach Primal
certified. That's Mark system systems
company and you know the OG of the Paleo prime.
One of the O G's in the Paleo crime will movement.
And I, I've been in II was 220. Always sick, always unhealthy
ever since high school. When I quit after quit playing
football in high school and I got really unhealthy, nothing
ever worked. I was always that guy that just
dreamed of having abs and I just stopped dreaming of it.
I just wanted to lose weight and feel good and I never thought it
would happen. All of a sudden that happened on
accident on a vacation. I was like, I wanted to be a
glutton and cut out grains. That was literally it.
I just cut out, I didn't eat the croissants in the morning.
I was Like, no, I want to eat all the steaks steaks at the
time were hurting me and I just, it's so silly.
I remember a wrestler in high school saying, oh, yeah, man, if
you want to fill up and be full all day, you just eat healthy
whole grain sandwiches with, like a single slice of turkey
breast a teaspoon of mayonnaise and a tomato slice, and that's
how you lose weight. And I would try that and I would
be so bloated for like two days. Three days, four days always
always in pain struggling to tie my shoes because I was so
bloated. And I'm just kept gaining
weight, had joint problems. Like, real bad, joint pain.
And I had headaches all the time, and I'm talking, like, lay
down two hours a couple times a week headaches, and it was bad.
So a, my brain never worked either.
I was always angry, always always super sensitive,
anything, which is part of our topic today, the highly
sensitive babies, and when I found that on a vacation, some
some Australian guy. Yeah, mate.
Sounds like you're eating a paleo diet.
I didn't know what he was talking about.
It was like 11 12 years ago. So I found I found nutrition
then and pretty much when your brain starts working for the
first time in your life. You don't, you no longer trust
anybody because you realize the doctors of lied to you about
food. You no longer like you just
don't you, you aren't okay with okay?
You want to be optimal and that's kind of where my life is
lead, and up until right before we got pregnant or what, I guess
we were pregnant in my Looks at me and she goes.
So and I'm always the one that brings up the crazy stuff in a
relationship and she goes. So, do you ever hear this
diaper-free thing? And I didn't even know what she
was talking about. And I looked her, I said, I love
you so much right now because I was just so happy.
She's diving and all the stuff we had a home birth.
We had all these things, you know, no medications for the
baby was born, totally unmedicated, which is super cool
and, and yeah, it's so that's a big.
That's a whole lot of Time to, that's not much time to spit out
a whole lot of years of my life. But yeah, that's how I ended up
in the cloth. Diaper I started researching for
fertility, I started researching cloth and like polyester
synthetics and how they mess with your hormones.
Yeah. And you know polyester the
science on that's a little off but they're not totally positive
on it. There's only a handful of people
have ever researched it but the one study was like a year-long
study on dogs and It by putting a polyester diaper on a male
dog. It caused something like 98% in
fertility rates or I could be wrong on that study but like any
study that's done like that that guy was called a quack and that
information is tossed out but I don't toss that information out.
I stick with that information. So I changed up all my
underwear. I got like a thousand dollars
worth of mizanin main shirts that I barely ever wear anymore
because I just don't want this stuff touching my body.
Yeah. It actually works.
The polyester works not just at like an off gassing and not just
your friends with the guy that does estrogen stuff.
I can't remember his name, Anthony J.
Yeah, yeah. And and he talks a lot about
estrogenix and and that's another aspect of the polyester.
But then one that no one talks about is it it messes with our
electrons and like, electrons are who we are.
The energy that holds us together is who we are.
So when it starts to screw through, Runs it can can just
have this cascading effect throughout the whole body but
it's probably such a small thing but it's just, you know, a
Thousand Cuts will kill a man. And that's, that's what we have
in today's age. So I just always try to get my
cuts down to like a hundred a day instead of 1000 a day, you
know, 100% agreement. I feel like once you start going
down the rabbit hole of nutrition and nutrition is like
very tangible, like, you literally put food in your
mouth. I mean, it's something that
people are very closely connected with, on a day by day
basis. But once you start going on, At
Rabbit Hole, you can't help but go down every other rabbit home
and obviously when you have a kid you want to do right by them
and you want to kind of have them, bypass all the obstacles
and roadblocks that you faced growing up.
So yeah, I mean getting into that aspect of it only makes
sense and that's kind of what crystal is like my wife.
She's all about it, man. Like she, she was diving into
this stuff long before we were even pregnant.
And she's just really been a, you know, taking taking the
charge on this, which I She because she's so passionate
about it. So it's awesome that you're
doing now to and the cloth diapers, I mean, just like the
the foods that we consume have how they have such profound
impact on our body responds. The same thing is true with all
these transdermal, you know, components that were in contact
with every single day, the water we drink.
The lotions that we use the skin care product to use the cleaning
detergents that we use the clothes that we wear, like, all
this stuff has an impact. So if you can do anything to
move the needle in the right direction, it's time.
Well spent. Oh hey.
Men of that. Yeah, and it's something I'm
sure you've had people say this before.
You said it before. The average woman.
Has 180 chemicals on her body before she leaves the house in
the morning. Yeah, is insane.
Insane. And like people people don't
realize how easy it is to be more natural.
Like it's just people don't think that it is even a
question. I mean, people go through the
day and they, you know, reach for their deodorant, they reach
their toothpaste, they put on their shirt, they don't look to
see what that shirts made of or what's in the ingredients of
toothpaste or the fiber components in a diaper.
Like, people don't take the time to look that until you have the
AHA moments with your Whatever that Catalyst for you is and
then you start looking at everything, you read every
single label, you read every single everything.
Oh yeah, it's like your eyes have become opened.
Yeah, yeah. And like for me, my business
name, I'm actually stay-at-home dad now so my business.
I only take like a client a week, pretty much, but its Life
Starts with Food and, you know, maybe for you.
It's life starts with archery or Life Starts With God or Life
starts with you name it. But for me my, my life just
Aged. And that was my Catalyst was
food. And like, I love food, man, and
the food, that changed my life. It was what I called Birthday
food. I grew up pretty poor and like,
on our birthday. Dad goes, what do you want me to
make? And I, it was always Dad.
Make me a steak and a sweet potato.
Mmm. Like if not that day, it was mac
and cheese or beef macaroni was like, you know, we had a decent
amount of meat, but ground meat, I'm 38 ground meat.
When I was a kid was like a buck a pound or something, so, yeah.
So, it was pretty easy to get at least some meat in your diet,
but but yeah, it's the catalyst is such an amazing thing and you
just got to find that thing that's a catalyst for you and
everything changes. If you want it to, if you allow
it to 100% man. So what is your diet typically,
right now? Are you doing higher carb?
Lower carb, that what does that typically consist of?
Yeah. I mean, up until literally, we
were up until we were trying to have a kid.
I was iodide been like he do for years unintentionally at.
It was just the foods that made me feel best, and anytime I had
Carbs, I think I had a lot of carb, a lot of metabolic issues,
so I stayed very much off of off of any carbs.
I'm talking, like, if I had an apple, it was once once a
quarter Chris, it was a huge treat, you know?
And right now, it is very animal-based, but it's very car
be for me. So, I will have a lot of nights.
I'll have after my dinner is when I don't eat any carbs
throughout the whole day, I usually have them in the evening
and it'll look like, maybe not or X bar, and, and I buy some
ginger beers that are, you know, maybe they're made with honey,
maybe they're made with cane sugar but it works well for me
right now. And I'll have some dates things
like that. So it's very much an
animal-based diet. Even though the RX bars are
fairly processed there just I just really enjoy them.
And I went from, never being able to eat something like that
to being able to. And so, yeah, I house back
probably, you know, 50 to 100 grams of carbs any given day,
which for me is Huge and people would go us not that much man
even on a keto podcast, people like a 50s you know Kido but for
me, it was massive. Yeah.
And with a baby, I'm not working out the same and I'm a
minimalist with my workouts but I'm not burning.
I'm not using up the same amount of carbs and sugars I would have
in the past. So if you hear me stuttered all
here, it's because I'm used to interviewing with ketones in my
brain and normally I can find any word possible.
It's just amazing. How your In works on keto.
So I will probably cycle back into that eventually.
So you feel more optimal with the lower carbs than what you're
consuming. Currently mentally, I do.
Ya mean mentally I do but physically, I'm pretty similar.
I don't put on I don't put on much sighs.
Must I don't put on much muscle mass on keto but I've never
really gone way over on my calories or consistently over my
calories because it's so satiating and Union, you know,
better than anybody. It can be tough to get the
calories in when your When your Kita speaking of satiety mean, I
kind of wanna dive into this. Have you?
Do you ever get on Twitter? Yeah, a little bit.
Okay, I'm not very Twitter. I'm not great on Twitter.
Like I rarely ever go on Twitter, but right now, there's
this, like, massive debate going on within the twitterverse in
the low-carb Community about satiety per calorie.
Have you seen that? I've heard of it over the years.
Yeah, so it's definitely rearing its head right now, it's just
SPC. So, satiety per calorie.
I think the diet doctor Community is really trying to
push this, okay? And I'm not opposed to this
notion of people should strive to consume foods that generate
more satiety per calorie than just makes intuitive sense.
But some of the models they presented our a little
interesting. So like I think they're kind of
pushing people towards A protein, like Lena protein
specifically, in higher fiber, higher vegetation is being the
Pinnacle of true satiety. But it's interesting that that
would be the case. If you just said, you know, if
you're following a ketogenic diet, relatively low in carbs,
high in fat, you find more satiety, it's harder for you to
get the calories in with that type of protocol.
Yeah. Yeah, and honestly for me, I'm a
believer that it's like, who cares?
If vegetables have a lot of nutrients, what if somebody like
me, I can't eat vegetables. They literally cause gut pain
and that's more of a recent thing in the last few years.
But if your body doesn't absorb the nutrients and utilize in the
same way, what good are they? So like, it's great that there's
that they're satiating. But I want nourished by my food
and it's such a it's I am not the type of person that believes
different diet for everybody. I'm the type of person that
believes eat a human diet and you've had Bill Schindler on,
you've had a few other guys like that.
Eat a human diet and humans, eat animals, they will eat
vegetables that treat them nicely and they avoid vegetables
that don't treat them nicely. They use vegetables for
medicine, all different types of herbs, and things for medicine,
and tinctures made of vegetables and mushrooms and things and
they really focus on. Organs and fatten and and just
plain old meat and I think where the differences come the
biological differences, come in, where somebody can do really
well on a super high fat diet, moderate protein.
And then someone like me, I generally go higher protein and
lower lower fat. If that's what I've come to
realize feels pretty good for me.
But then I have, if I'm trying to stay lean, but then I have
these moments where probably once a month for Or days or so,
I just need all the fat in the world, so maybe it doesn't work
that well for me. I just feel best on it in the
moment but I think that's where the difference is come is like
we all should be eating human food.
The same way that there's lion food and monkey food and and
zebra food, but we need to just find that that little course
that works for us. And right now for me it's like I
call this High car but I'm doing it.
Cracks me up but that's where I think.
Society per calorie is really interesting but that really
really matters. If you're really overweight, if
the calories you're taking in cause you to eat more like
vegetable oils just cause you to eat more calories over time and
that is something like 40 or 70 percent of our calories.
We've taken in in the last. So many years since they were
invented, they just the amount of calories.
We taken a vegetable oils keeps increasing every year in the
American diet. And it's why Why you see all
these people posting pictures of the 70s, we're all skinny,
there's like a single fat person in a crowd of 1,000 and then now
you you post a picture of the beach and everybody is
overweight by at least 30 pounds.
So the satiety per calorie thing is really important if you have
satiety issues. It's a, that's a tough.
That's a tough debate there, man.
That's really interesting. Yeah, it is interesting for sure
and I feel like, you know, I'm fully onboard with you in that
we should eat. Is appropriate that like this
notion that we're all different individual snowflakes and we
need to all eat different types of diets.
You know. Maybe it's based off of your
heritage and upbringing and maybe it's based off of your
blood work but it's based off of.
Yeah, jeans like I don't really buy into all that.
Yeah you're gonna definitely got some Nuance there but it should
all still be within the same scope of a species appropriate
diet. And as a species, we're not a
vegetarian species like that's just like biologically speaking.
Smack like our digestive tract is not.
Designed to be consuming solely vegetation.
That's just not the way it works.
We There is some debate as to you know whether we're
considered more carnivorous or more Omniverse in there
depending on where you're looking.
At the time frame in human history, you can probably pick
and choose one of the other, but I feel like enough time has a
path as surpassed in an omnivorous state that we can be
considered quite omnivorous as a species.
So, if you're eating vegetables that, you know, you respond well
to and don't cause you any issues and the majority of your
intake is From quality animal based nutrition.
Then you're pretty much doing everything.
You can to hedge the bets in your favor.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that man.
I agree with everything you said right there completely.
So and I do the one thing I think Heritage does play some
role. Yes.
We're at least it's an interesting, you know, there's
certain things you here and there's just there's like that
common-sense ringer that goes off in your head.
And the Heritage one is one that sort of made sense to me and it
only because it works for me like, I I can't eat vegetables
but I do great with seaweed and how weird is that right?
Like seaweed and I crave it I'm Russian and Scottish so like
there was famines in both those places and I feel like I
remember hearing a couple different stories of people
surviving off of seaweed and things like that for periods of
time in those in those cultures. But then I I crave lamb, most of
the time, another thing that would have worked well in both
of those areas and and beef. And Venison.
So those are like my go-to S own pork man.
I don't know where the pork comes from.
I don't know who raises that and there's two countries but I love
pork. So yeah, I don't discount.
The Heritage component in regards to like some of the
finer details by any means like that, that's going to be the
differentiating factor between, you know, whether or not you
respond well to this vegetation or not, whether you spend about
to this type of, you know, wheat or not, but not so much as to
whether or not you respond well to animal-based food or not.
Not that. Oh yeah, that's a great Point.
Yeah. So yeah, 100% there man know
what you know, how is that kind of shaped?
What you plan to do with your daughter?
I mean she's four months now so she's predominately so
breastfeeding. I'm assuming.
Oh yeah, I'll breastfeeding. She is going to be mostly
animal-based. I'm probably gonna reach out to
the heart and soil team or the ancestral team and find out what
they've done Weston a price. I'll reach out to them and get
all the information I can from them and Yeah, that's going to
be if she ever, lets me look at Instagram ever again because she
does not the moment. I look at my phone, she decides
she's upset. So if I can ever reach out to
different people, that I've met over the years, who have
children, who do more of a of an animal-based paleo for sure,
diet that's going to be, how are babies raised and I love,
everybody loves raw milk right now.
I love raw milk, but I can't tolerate Dairy at all and no
matter what I try, I try I've gained and lost the same 10
pounds from from incorporating all the all the different Rod
Aires and it never works from me.
So it's great that people call it nutritious, but it just isn't
for me. And if that works for piper then
great, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna, you know, scour the globe for
raw milk into. But if it does, it'll it's not
food. If it's, if it doesn't work for
you, it's just not food. I'm not going to eat a rock on
the ground. I'm not going to have dairy
anymore. It doesn't treat me well.
Yeah, so that makes sense again I we've been I don't remember
even when we introduced real food for rigel because he's been
me still breastfeeding but like we started bringing in some
foods. I don't know what month Mark
that was but I mean he's eaten just all quality real food since
and he's responded. Perfect all over like he loves.
He loves it man. Like he he'll eat School, some
raw like, Like pâté, he'll eat not raw, pork butt.
Pork pot a. He'll have a bison.
You'll have venison. All the different types of
meats. Bone, broth, bone marrow.
Yeah, stuff. And like, that's awesome.
None of the stuff that you see on a grocery store show for in
the baby. I like the food that they're
feeding babies and infants is just it's just not food.
So from a developmental standpoint like as their brain
is truly developing at an exponential rate in these early
phases. Like the last thing you want to
be doing is depriving them. Of all the quality nutrition.
That would be found in real food and breast milk to wean them off
on some type of formula lid, you know.
Yeah, juice Blend whoever decided that it was the, the
first foods for a baby should be, like, pureed kale.
Yeah. I don't know if you've traveled
much, but like, we were in Spain years ago is one of our first
big, big trips abroad, and I was big on veggies, and I had like,
moderate meat intake and huge on veggies.
I was trying to find kale We're across that country and it
wasn't until we found the Northwestern part of Spain and
Galicia. There are just backyards full of
kale. Like they didn't have a
backyard, they had kale. And I finally was at a
restaurant asking about it and they would, they looked at me
like discussed it and said, why would you eat that?
I said, why are you growing it? They said, that's pit.
That's food for our pigs. So they don't eat the like and
they're one of the healthiest countries in the world.
Consistently, they have the longest lifespan, maybe not the
healthiest but they have the longest lifespan out of most
countries. If I'm trying to think, if I'm
accurate on that, it's either they have the healthiest life's
lives or they have the longest one of the longest lifespan that
remember, which but they don't care about vegetables.
It wasn't until I got into Madrid that I found a place that
just served a plate of vegetables and it was mostly
Peppers. Not even that many.
Other greens so it's they just don't eat that.
They drink their coffee. They have some wine here, and
there and, and they, and they eat lots of animals for the most
part. It's just interesting.
So many other cultures do that and we think they should be
dying at 50 and we're dying at 50.
So, yeah, it's definitely interesting.
When you start peeling the curtain back on, you know what
is working and what is not working if it shouldn't take a
scholar to recognize that. Americans as a whole are doing
is clearly not working, but not that, for whatever reason seems
to be hard to hard to get the head around.
When you were doing that the high vegetation.
Like what? I guess your body was responding
well to it that that point. Yeah.
Back then I was feeling fine from it.
What? What happens to me and I knew
this at the time. I don't feel well from raw
vegetables usually and I was starting a And I started with a
new doctor who does something called nutrition response
testing, and he muscle test, the body using applied Kinesiology,
and he was having me on a detox protocol.
And I've I detox very hard and I felt like crap and I started
craving vegetables. I was making these green
smoothies three, four, five days in and my body was like, okay,
you feel good? Now, let's stop the green
smoothies and it was like four or five weeks before I finally
stopped it. And all of my old symptoms from
pre paleo came back. I was bloated distended to where
I couldn't. My feet barely I just felt
horrible and ever since then, I couldn't reincorporate
vegetables back in. So I dove right in the
carnivore, right then and really try dot carnivore hardcore,
which is what got me into pemmican, which we've talked
about as well in the past and it just like it just sent me down a
whole different path of realizing.
Okay. I think, I think I might have
been, you know, a little off on what I felt was Necessities in
our diet and it's just God blesses you with these little
Burdens that change the directive, your directory
trajectory of your life and having vegetables wreck.
My gut was one of those things that really changed me for the
better. And really just made me a
healthier happier person after already being healthy and happy
for seven or eight years. So when it comes to like
carnivore like people and then that that hold dietary protocol
has gained tremendous momentum of the past few years.
Yeah. Do you feel like there is any
adverse affect long-term like a You're doing carnivore.
Obviously your gut microbiome is going to change within a few
weeks and then if you maintain that style of eating for months
on end or years on end, do you think that is hindering one's
ability to basically replenish that gut microbiomes to it?
They would be able to tolerate plants.
Any good response or is that just something?
That is a non-issue in the soon. As you bring the plans back in
their body, should in theory, you know, be able to up regulate
those. Those microbiome Pathways to be
able to handle that. No problem at all.
So, that's a great question and I think it's different for
everybody. The, the assumption is that we
know that we have to have certain things in our gut
microbiome and I haven't researched the microbiome for a
couple years, but for the longest time, everybody who told
you absolutes about the gut microbiome would then follow up
that statement with, but it's still the wild west.
We have no idea. Yeah, but they would, they would
speak in absolutes but then they would say it's the wild webs
West, and they would say, you have to have this big huge
diverse microbiome. But they don't have proof for
that. I think I and somebody might
call us out on this for me saying this on your podcast, I
apologize. It's been a while since I've
fucked it up but I just kind of gave up on trying to understand
anything about the gut microbiome.
I just completely gave it up because all the things that I
was told. I was supposed to eat to help my
gut microbiome hurt me. Yeah, and that's all it takes
for me to say. Yeah, I guess I guess
something's wrong there and I don't think it's me.
It's wrong. Because I hear it time and time
again and I guess to answer your question.
It. I've had people I used to coach
the doctor's office and I had people that they were told eat
tons and tons of fiber, the things that are supposed to help
your gut microbiome and it I would tell them total opposite
and all of their symptoms would clear up.
Does that mean it healed them? No, they just stopped agitating
it. I don't know.
I don't know if they'll ever heal.
I don't know. Maybe they've had that, you
know, 50 60 year old people, somebody's grandma that had to
go carnivore because her gut was so bad.
And I just don't know if they'll ever heal from that.
I think they can. I'm not the guy to help with
that. I wish I was better on that.
I have people ask me the craziest things.
I'm like, can someone just asked me about, like, what's a healthy
diet? I can write that down in the
half a page. Yeah, I mean for me, it makes
intuitive sense that. If you consume a broad diversity
of foods, you would likely need to have a pretty diverse gut
microbiome. Whereas if you don't eat a
pretty vast spectrum of different foods, you probably
don't need a ton of guts. Microbial, diversity.
And yeah, I mean I don't really eat a lot of variety like I eat,
you know, meets a taquito brick. And once in a blue moon, I have
some veggies and for them I don't think I need a ton of
variety in my gut microbiome and my gut never really gives me the
issue. So I think I'm just gonna keep
doing. I'm doing right?
Yeah, I'm that's exactly. That's like the best.
I wish I could have said what you said, right?
So but something real interesting there is, I can't
remember if it's the Masai or which, Which tribes in Africa
that dr. Anthony Stand, dr.
Paul saladino, went and visited along with a couple other
people. I can't remember their names.
But when, when those people have their microbiome tested, they
are some of the most diverse in the planet.
And these people really only eat animals and maybe it's because
they are Barefoot through the, you know, in the dirt all the
time or maybe they've never harm their body with all the
chemicals that we do. I don't know what the, what the,
what the answer is to, why their microbiome Is so diverse, but it
is far more. Diverse anybody here in the US
and they eat far less foods than we would eat here.
Yeah, it's interesting. I did not know that I would
imagine, they're probably not taken near the antibiotics that
we are. The probably just not subjected
to near the chemical of the we are.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's probably a big part of it that I would.
We always forget the chemical load, how massive that is.
And also, the foods we eat here. I mean the amount of if you buy
any kind of meat at the store, they're fed antibiotics.
Yeah, cow is fed an antibiotic or that's treated with an
antibiotic to help it. Speaking of satiety per calorie,
it helps them, get fatter on fewer calories.
So most cattle if it's just store-bought, not grass-fed and
stuff. It's treated with antibiotics at
some point in their life for that reason, if not the whole
end of their life. So we have to be ingesting that
some, you know, it has to be transferring to us at least a
little bit. And I think there are studies
that show that, but I'm not positive.
If if I could, if my answer keeps coming up as I'm not
positive, it's because four months of being a dad to what I
think is a highly sensitive child.
That's just burnt my brain to bits.
We'll talk about that, man. We were kind of emailing back
and forth prior to us, jumping on the recording but what is
what is a highly sensitive child?
Like what does that even defined as yeah.
So I literally just figured this out a few days ago.
If this is what my baby is and and and I want I'm going to
explain this then I'm going to have a something to say to
parents that might feel. They have this because it is one
of the loneliest things you can go through.
So, and I'm not saying that lately at all.
It really is one of the loneliest feelings, you can go
through as a new parent. So highly sensitive child.
From what I understand, they are the child that like at any
moment, they are hot or cold. They are the Sour Patch Kid and
not, just like, happy laughing. And then moments later, you
didn't do anything different and that baby is screaming in your
face. And it's not, I don't, I don't
believe colic is really a thing. I believe colic is something's
wrong and the babies telling you.
Yeah. And so I would never consider my
baby colicky because she is super happy so often we can
settle her very fast. But man, she really screams
changes in things. If she's around a large group of
people that are loud. She's really struggles to handle
it. It's very similar to, if you
know anybody, that's highly sensitive in general, where they
don't like crowds, they don't like things because the noise
bothers them. You have a lot of those same
things with children, I'm not doing this Justice the for the
people listening, if you look up on Instagram, highly sensitive
family. The lady's name is Natalie.
She has so many different post that just explain if you're
going through this, you will know when you hear her post,
when you hear her videos talking about this and it for the people
that Are just like trying to talk to friends and saying oh
man it my baby is really tough for this or that reason and the
answer that you're getting from all these other parents are just
always just babies. I can guarantee you that person
does not have a highly sensitive baby, if they're if they're
answer is us, just what kids do? That's just what babies do and
it is the most lonely thing. When that's all the answers you
keep getting. And finally I found one or two
other friends that that Have told me like, oh man Mike this
is exactly how our child was and I immediately apologized for not
being more helpful and more sensitive to those friends
because I'm telling you it, I have never cried so much in 38
years of life. As I have in the last four
months, just over stress. I didn't know you could cry from
stress. Like I, that wasn't something
that happened to me maybe twice ever my life, like, you know,
before my marriage stuff like that, you know, dealing with
family issues and stuff. That's it.
So I just want any Mom and Dad out there.
That's dealing with what they think is a highly sensitive
child to know. You are not alone.
It is as hard as you think it is.
You are not a bad parent. This baby literally was made for
you from you. God, gave you this child.
Don't ever think that you aren't doing a great job.
I have yelled holding my baby, my arms.
I've yelled just to quiet her. I have to match.
Or or overtake her yelling to get her to snap out of here
yelling. And then she just is like oh oh
my bad dad my bad. And that sounds crazy to people.
I have my shooting earmuffs thankfully.
The baby Piper's really calm down the last couple weeks.
Her yelling isn't as loud when she yells, but I've had to do
that to just be able to tolerate the amount of noise.
She puts off sometimes and the other thing, highly sensitive.
Our crazy needy. I've said, she won't let me look
at my phone and that's no joke. If I'm holding her and I just
reached down to respond to a text.
She starts getting mad and fidgety if she's playing and I'm
not just sitting watching her. She gets mad.
So they are super needy and it's it's a blessing, it will be a
blessing because all the things I've heard all the things I've
read since I figure this out is the more needy a child is when
you give them all the love and attention they need which is a
lot. They tend to be the most
independent as they age. So what is that?
I just want to reiterate like, Mom and Dad's if you're going
through this, I know. No, all you want is to
commiserate it just just knowing somebody else has gone through
it to the extent that you have just feels better.
You were made for this child and that child was made for you.
So don't ever think you're not doing an amazing job.
Awesome, man, what do you think causes that phenomena?
Any idea someday God will tell me.
I just don't know. I thought she was just kind of
advanced and like she's you can tell she's thinking you can tell
she's she's like already you know she was rolling over since
she was like like, two months old or something.
She's just way ahead of all the markers.
I thought that was all it is. And my mom who, you know, seven
grandkids raised, three kids had seven brothers, all the nieces
and nephews. She never said anything to me.
And I finally, just A few weeks ago.
Said mom is she like, is she louder than others?
Is she more needy than others? And my mom was like.
Oh yeah. So so I, she just wasn't even
giving me the nod that like, hey, Mike, you're doing a great
job there you. She was just you know, she
didn't know she needed to tell me that I guess.
Yeah, but yeah, I I really just thought it was because she was
like an advanced baby like a really intelligent baby, not
that they aren't all but she would she's was born with.
Meds, she's never been injected with anything so she's she
doesn't have anything Weighing on her immune system.
She doesn't have any anything she has to get over.
I just thought it was that kind of stuff.
Yeah. And it's just not it turns out
that this can happen to any baby.
That's interesting. I'm curious to see like, when
you start introducing foods, how certain foods impact her overall
demeanor. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm interested in that too.
I'm really excited for that because my poor wife.
She the piper won't even Take a bottle.
She doesn't she refuses bottles for the most part and even, you
know, we're using breast milk in it.
Yeah. So it's a tough, a tough go at
it. My wife is the one working and
she works from home, but she is constantly.
You know, coming back in the room from the office and trying
to feed the baby and between she can she can tell the yell the
screen that's happening. So she comes in and helps and
yeah, it's it'll be it'll be fun.
And now I know that you're already doing a lot of the same
foods that I'll be doing so that I'll just Reach out to you for
some advice on that one. Yeah, no for sure man.
I mean it's been super it's been really easy for us as far as
introducing the foods you like we started out with just like
bone marrow. I think was very first food and
we just yeah you know have everything really soft moist and
like easy like cut in small pieces we don't we don't only
blend anything up that we don't you know, make it like unto a
mixer thing. We just cut it real small, let
him feed himself because I feel like I feel like a lot of the
choking hazards happen. When people try to feed their
baby, where's if you just let the baby feeding themselves,
they're going to be much more likely to just know when they're
needed to take a little bite. No one went to swallow, all that
kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah.
The baby do that on their own is key.
There's a, there's another Instagram account that mean,
it's really like, Instagrams. Might like my savior right now
for finding stuff on track babies, I think is what they're
called. They're really in line with how
I am on. I like we don't have swings.
We all of our toys are like what?
Montessori wooden toys and stuff like that before.
Or beds and all the things, but it's just nice to have people
that are in line in alignment with you to follow and to get
information from and reach out to if you need to.
So they do a lot of that. They talked a lot about that and
about feeding kids. And it's just it really is It's
just intuitive. Like if you just think, what
would what we have done a thousand years ago.
Yeah. And then do that.
And that's you're going to be on track most of the time when you
do that. It is kind of lonely, though,
man. Because like, if people and it's
same concept is like when you go to an event and you're the only
person that is eaten Ketone. People should look at you funny.
Like when you have a kid and you can all wooden toys, you don't
have swings, you don't have jumpers, like, you have all
this, you know, basic stuff and then people gift to you.
Like these plastic toys that light up and spin around and
shake your baby and all kinds of weird stuff.
It's like you don't use it like you don't ya their toys away and
people like take offense to that but it's like there's a reason I
don't have these toys, you know? Yep.
Yeah it's all those blinking and noisy toys are akin to us on a
cellphone when we get addicted to Facebook and stuff.
It's that same thing for children.
Yeah. Which makes screens that much
worse for babies? You know, we'll have as well.
Watch it. TV show.
And then when it goes, we always have the baby blocked from the
view the TV. The screensaver goes on the TV
and she just stares at it. Yeah, it's just I mean what's
different from that from and looking out the window, it's
really odd and she will just stare.
The colors are so bright and Vivid that it messes with her.
So that's there's something wrong there.
Something odd now, for sure, man.
There's I don't know you'd like really protective and you don't
want to play this like superiority card like hey I'm
doing this right. Right and all you other parents
didn't wrong. The same sounds like when you
know, you know, and you just simply want to do, right?
And it's like, I'm trying to be offensive to people but like,
you know, you just need to surround yourself with people
that get it, you know? Hmm.
Yeah. And people do take offense which
is a bummer but generally generally it's the same as when
people are jealous or something like that.
It's because they see something you're doing that.
They would like to do but they don't want to ever Do it.
It's too hard too much work, whatever and that's okay, but
it's still a bummer, it takes a lot to get used to the comments.
You get from people and the looks and all the things.
And I like, I eat raw meat, most of the time now, like just I pop
open a pack of ground meat, or ground, pork or something and I
just eat it as is and like, people think that's so nuts and
I most people have eaten tartar or car or what is carpaccio.
Most people have eaten that kind of stuff, or a lot of people
have people have eaten Sushi and yeah, if you, I don't even know
a restaurant, I can go to anywhere in the Pittsburgh area
that would give me just a plate of raw meat, if I ask them maybe
a couple would, but yeah, it's weird man.
And honestly, like, I think, you know, like, you just know you
might like, you know, everybody's gonna respond well
to it or not. And then you can act accordingly
that people that don't have a. Most people are not in tune with
their body at all, they don't know.
I mean, they just That if they ate raw food their raw meat,
specifically, their body would just like go into cardiac arrest
or something like a man. Yeah, the way it works.
Yeah. It's another one of those big
lies. We've been told that raw foods
are going to kill you but meanwhile more people die from
from Dirty vegetables a year by far then than anybody does from
from raw meat. Yeah.
Now, you got eaten raw pork and chicken too, or just from be so,
I do eat raw pork as well, but I am very strict with my pork
because I'm a big believer in in poof has being something.
We should avoid High proof of foods and I'm aware Bortnick an
assistant. Buffa's went with them.
Yeah. Right.
You would think so, but but our body, we have the most acidic,
like some of the most acidic stomach acid out of all animals.
The only ones that are equal to us or lower are scavengers if
I'm not mistaken. So, how in the world is any
that's supposed to make it through our stomach?
Unless we're like pounding back, all this alkaline water and
stuff before we eat, you know, your stomach is just acid, it's
just it just rips stuff apart if it wasn't for a stomach lining
we wouldn't be here. Yeah.
Good just burn through us man and it's just amazing.
It's like All the lies we've been told that that a child
would go, but wait a second. Your stomach's acid, you know,
like you hear these things. Like I don't want to get
political but when your kid, you hear like me and global warming
going to kill us all but then you hear, well, CO2 is amazing
for trees and then you're like, well wait a second and all these
kids are confused by that and then it takes a few more years
of schooling, and that's beat out of them.
So stomach acid to me is just another one of those things in,
like, eating raw foods. It's just, I think, the way we
eat is what allows us to Be sick, not the things not not
this you know, not the raw meats and stuff.
So yeah, yeah, definitely feel like, you know, just consumption
of non-food items you know I got the Twinkies and stuff they have
in the package. Dials is what's getting off of
that and there's the lack of overall activity and just
physical resilience. My like people are not capable
of moving at all. Like it's yeah it's kind of sad
like I am a very sport specific individual when it comes to my
Athletics like I'm a body. Butter.
I'm not going to be that great on a CrossFit course.
I've been with old my own stuff like that.
Like an obstacle course but that's not my area of expertise.
But I feel very flexible and limber and I can move and I can
jump and I could run and I could I could hang I could do all
these things. It's amazing.
How many people can't bend over to tie their shoes?
Yet alone, you know, easily run a mile or walk.
Oh yeah, you know like simply not been able to move, is what's
killing us. And you know, most of what I do
is because I'm lazy. That's the that's the worst in
funniest part about this is I I don't want to work out 100 hours
a week to be fit. And literally until I added
carbs back into my life, I had a six-pack easily for the last,
like, 10 years or probably 11 years and I didn't have to try
for it, which was amazing to me when I could never have them
before and it was just because it was the things I avoided, not
the things, I ate that gave me that six pack.
It was it allowed my body. Drop fat and I'm a minimalist.
Like, I'm lazy. That's why I eat healthy.
It's why I want to raise my kid in a certain way that she
doesn't need me in the future. I felt like, I always needed
everybody and needed approval and needed this nap.
I don't want my kids to be that way.
So and it's because I'm lazy, but I want the best for them to
and so it takes a lot of work up front.
But it requires it's like you put a lot of work in up front
and then you have all the time left over in the end.
So it's it's investing in your own time and your own just ease
of mind. So yeah, it's it's all because
I'm lazy which is hilarious. So that's end that said, what
are some like daily non-negotiables?
Like, what are the things that you make sure you get done in a
day so that your day is considered, you know, a success
a one day Man. So right now it's just totally
up in the air. It's just up in the air because
like, for me, my day is, I wake up, I get coffee, I have an
espresso machine. I like one of my hobbies is
like, you know, coffees and all the different ways you can make
coffee working on espresso machines if I find a broken one.
So, I make an espresso and then literally it is to the baby.
I used to not usually eat until, you know, lunch or afternoon.
I usually eat a little bit of I We're eating breakfast now at
some point before, 11:00 and then I'll eat dinner.
But literally for my day, it is that I had a coffee.
And I ate and I made sure. I like, you know, was with the
baby as much as possible to keep her from affecting my wife's
work day constantly, which still happens anyways.
Yeah, prior to that it was literally you know, my dog just
passed away a couple weeks after we had the baby and I saw you
guys lost a dog to. I'm really sorry to hear that
man. Yeah.
Like it's one of the hardest things you can lose, which is so
crazy, but I, you know, get up. I'd go for a walk with him, if
it was warm weather, it It's really cold here.
Near Pittsburgh PA, and we go for a walk.
We whatever it. I always tried to read
something. Everyday, I before the baby was
here and I'd have a have some, any kind of thought process.
I'd always try to pray. Ask God, who I'm supposed to
help today, who I'm supposed to pray for today.
I just pray that he puts somebody in my life that I could
affect in some way. And if that wasn't the case,
just bring somebody up to mind that I could pray for, or that I
could reach out to and texting. See if they're okay.
And that was, that was like that makes a day amazing.
Yeah. Just that one little thing.
They're just who you can pray for and and yeah and who can
help that day. I like that man being like a
very intentionally selfless and kind of like forcing some degree
of gratitude and your day here at the been a think is
absolutely Paramount. Yeah.
And I think that's important because I'm the first one to say
that that all things we do are selfish.
Like there's very few people who don't have The selfish Gene in
my wife is one of them. And I think most humans are
like, hey, I like to volunteer because it makes me feel good.
It's a selfish act, that helps other people God created this
way. It should think should feel
good. Yeah, she's doing doing nice
things. Should feel good and I used to
feel guilty about like when I had the realization that like,
no, I'm very selfish. I'm doing all these things
because I want them in my life. I'm doing all these things.
Be because of me, you know, and it people get really mad when I
bring that up, and I'm like every act as a selfish act
because well, I did something for somebody because I didn't
want to hear them complain about it.
Well there you go. Is a selfish act.
You didn't want to get complain to.
Yes. It's kind of a funny thought
there but it it's just a fun way to have a different perspective
on life and realize it like we're never perfect where
everything is about. Us, and it shouldn't be, you
know, it just, it's a reminder that we really should try to
make things about other people. And I'm horrible at that, man.
So this is all to like, let people know we're all a work in
progress and there's, I'll just change the perspective.
I feel like if, you know, you know, what, you can improve on
and then you're just conscious of it throughout the day.
What's your sleep in? Like, as far as you know, since
since Piper's been in the picture as your sleep, gun
dwindled, down to nothing man. So the first couple weeks, my
wife, She had, she definitely had some some healing to do
afterwards. So it was really me.
Taking care of my wife, my dog, and my baby all on my own I
don't for whatever reason, my family just they were real busy
at the same time and didn't have the ability to come help us too
much. My mother-in-law was able to
help out a decent amount but then she left for for they go to
south for the winter and so my sleep I thought it was fine.
So a picture for me of me from from like a week in.
I look dead, man. I looked dead.
I dropped down to like, I'm normally to 65 or so, but during
the pregnancy, I gained a little weight because I was
incorporating carbs and trying Dairy again and I dropped down
to like under, I'm sorry, not to 62 160.
I dropped under 160 and in like a two-week period.
I dropped all that weight. I was like I was 21 away, so my
sleep was horrible as my wife. I've healed up more and more,
she started taking over the night duties because she was
already breastfeeding anyways, and she was getting a better
hang of it. Her sleep is still just awful.
I feel so bad, but my sleep is pretty good, man.
It's, it's pretty uninterrupted, even if I'm laying in bed with
them, I'll wake up when she's crying for a diaper change or
something. Because we do use, we don't try
to do the diaper free stuff at night, which we haven't touched
on at all. But we just change.
We Put her in a cloth diapers and just change her butt.
I'll wake up for that. But the last couple nights she
started. Kind of progressing a little bit
and I think she's teething, so that's always always trouble.
But she started progressing in her sleep a little bit.
And my wife was just starting to get where she could actually
roll away from Piper. So that's another thing with
highly sensitive babies is they have to be touching you at
night, you cannot but she has never been in a crib.
She's never been in in like a somewhere else.
When we're sleeping, my wife is lucky to roll away from her so
she was just able to start rolling away.
From her with a big king-size bed and that baby takes up half
of it somehow. So I told my wife, I said, go
ahead. I'm going to sleep in the baby's
room on her floor bed, that we got and you go ahead.
And when you can roll away just take advantage of my side of the
bed. So the last three nights I've
been sleeping on the floor on a 3-inch will mattress, which is
way more comfortable than I ever imagined.
And so that's, that's been like my, my nights now and it's
amazing. It's absolutely, yeah, the
sleeps. Opponent for sure like like
we're deciding whether we co sleep with our with rigel.
And I feel pretty selfish talk about selfish.
I'm definitely feel pretty selfish because like, you know,
we'll start out with him sometimes he'll lay in a crib
for like an hour or two but as soon as he wakes up, he's in the
bed with us last night but like he'll be you know on her breast
feeding and then I've got my mouth tape on.
I got my eye mask on. I got I'm like in my own little
cocoon man. Nothing's bothering me half the
time. He's getting bigger those, like
he started kicking me and I Like Feliz kicks throughout the
night. So we're obviously wake me up a
little bit but crystals, definitely got the short end of
the stick on that one for sure. Oh man.
That it's tough. I don't know how my wife does
it, and then she gets up and works the next day.
I mean, she and her work. They are so so good about it.
And it's just her fourth week, back last week.
So that they've been and she's a manager.
She's not like, she's not like a low man on the totem pole.
She's her bosses have just been so good about About her needing
time. Whatever.
So, it's been really great and she was able to take 12 or 13,
weeks off. Just got a line, two things
where different different benefits happened.
Where almost all of that was paid for aside from one week of
vacation which also was paid for its vacation week.
So that's really cool man. It's really cool how it worked
out but some people with highly sensitive babies.
This Natalie lady from highly sensitive family.
She she wasn't able to put her baby down during naps.
Even that baby would start screaming and crying the moment,
it left her body for a nap. So we, we got a good like we can
put our baby down but not always but we can.
So it's It's definitely, it's a tough one, for those kind of
people that have that have that. And, and for our wives, for the
women in our lives, that just do so much for us and so much for
our children. So that is no joke.
Yeah. 100% man. You mentioned the diaper-free
kind of touch on that. A little bit.
What you doing there? Yeah.
So diaper-free is just a fun fun way to get people's attention
when they use that term diaper-free because you're still
using diapers most of time on babies.
The real term is called elimination communication.
Yeah. And The lady that I think has a
great book and a great program, it's called her name's Andrea
Andrea Olson. And the book is let me sit
sitting right here. It's just it's called go
diaper-free. So essentially, you know, you
have a baby long enough for you around babies long enough, you
can kind of tell the queue like when they cry a certain way or
make a certain noise, you know, they got it, they have a diaper
change or they're hungry or they're tired, you just start
picking up on that. The she is to really focus on
your baby. The way they do this is that it
just put a baby on a like pee pads and stuff, whatever you
want to do for that. I use.
We use towels just cotton towels and You observe your baby for a
certain amount of time, you know, an hour or so until you
kind of figure out what the Q is for the baby to pee or what the
key is for the baby to poop. And then when they go, you start
making a noise like or you give a grunt for pooping or whatever
works for you. Pee poop.
You say it out loud and then you see, you just keep doing that
enough times and then you start to transition them when you
think they have to pee, or them over a sink or they make these
little Top Hat things, you can hold between your leg that the
baby can pee or poop in. So that's, that's pretty much
what it is and you want to be somewhat consistent with it.
A lot of people do it. Just part time, they'll do it.
Literally I get home from work at, for I'll start doing this
between five and seven. I'll do it every night five to
seven, and It starts teaching the baby.
Well, this time of night. If we're going to go, we go in
the bathroom where we go in the top hat or the little potty
whatever. And for us, it was like two
weeks in, like I said, you're our dog.
Just got sick. And stand was going downhill.
Right? Before we got right before Piper
was born. So, I had two weeks of taking
care of my dog, and I was just so overwhelmed and my wife, I've
taken care of the wife of the dog in the baby.
I was so overwhelmed. I woke up one day and I was, I
think I was crying. I, like I said, I've cried a lot
in the last four months. It's really amazing what a baby
does to you. And I I'm just like praying to
God, like, I just need a win God.
Like, what in the world? How am I ever supposed to just
diaper-free stuff? Because I didn't even try it
prior to that two week, Mark, and I woke up the baby just
peanuts diaper. That's why I was upset and I'm
like, this is never going to happen.
Like I've never failed at anything, I put my mind to and
it hit me, one of the things she says is hey, if your baby peed,
The diaper, you can still take that baby to the bathroom and it
might be holding some so I did that and boom Piper peed in the
bathroom. She peed five more times in the
toilet or in the in the sink that day and like that it was
just like the World opened up again.
And like my favorite thing to say about people that are just
like this is crazy. How in the world you're training
a baby to pee somewhere else and my response to that is no, we
reach other people like we are taught to train babies to pee.
P, in a diaper. We're teaching a baby to soil
themselves. And that's so messed up.
When you think about it like, And when you, when you find out,
who this where this data comes from?
It is the Pampers Institute. Yeah, tell me that's not a
conflict of interest. Yeah.
With a literally, a little conflict there for sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
So in America, the average time in diapers is something like 2
to 3 years. That is on average three
thousand dollars in diapers. And in other countries babies
are potty trained out of diapers by 9 to 12 months almost every
other. Well, Not every other country,
but most almost every Asian culture.
And a lot of other countries are like that because generally,
they baby where they do all the things that if you do them here,
you're called, you're told you're spoiling your baby, which
I think is also nonsense. You can't spoil a baby.
They have needs they cry because that's how they tell you they
have a need. So this diaper-free thing is
just like, You just don't teach your baby, that it has the soil
itself in a diaper and sitting it.
Yeah. And like when you have that,
again, a mind shift, a change in perspective, you just go.
Holy crap. Howhow is this like so difficult
to understand, right? And it's just so fun when you
hear something explain the different way and so, yeah, I
magic. Don't think you're maybe the
poop in a diaper. Yeah, you just, you just
teaching your baby to be more self-sufficient earlier on like
that's yeah, it all boils down to I think Well, it's still they
still need us for it, right? It still sits.
We're just not forcing them to stay in a Diaper Dirty but
babies are intelligent. Literally when she's if I'm in a
car driving and she's in, she's in the car seat and I can tell
on, oh, she's got a p. I start telling her, it's okay.
Piper just pee and I'll clean it up when we get there.
It's okay. And she still peas in her
diaper. Plenty like way a lot, but she
doesn't have to sit in it ever. So it's just it's really Really
neat. She knows and she responds
accordingly when I talked to her and I think more babies would do
this. If we did it more often.
Yeah, it definitely smarter than people give him credit for, for
sure. Yeah.
Yeah, kind of percent. Man.
What does your wife think about? This is she totally on board
with all the the baby biohacking.
I'll do it. Well, the diaper free stuff
member. That's what she actually.
Yeah. Yeah, that was her idea which
was just terrific. She's, she's any time in our, in
our whole. We've been together since We
were in high school. So it's pretty much.
She's always been just a few days to a few months behind me
on something. So if I try something she used
to fight it a lot. When we first went paleo, it was
when we first got married like a year in and she fought it and
fought it and fought it. She'd make dinner one night.
I'd say look, I'm just not eating it, I feel really good
and I can't eat that. And, and she learned real fast,
you know, if I made dinner, we ate what.
I, what I was making if she made dinner, I would not eat it and
She corrected that pretty quick and figured out how I was eating
and how we could eat together again.
And, and next thing I know like a month, two months in, she's
eating, mostly paleo at home, but still eating junk at the
office and things. And, and like, I don't know,
probably eight months later, she's down 10 pounds Without
Really Trying anything, you know, still eating stuff like
donuts, randomly at the office. So, it was pretty interesting.
And then from there on out, it was just, she would just try
stuff, you know. Doesn't necessarily biohack much
herself. I definitely do the do some
biohacking and things which is like a fun hobby and and fun to
see if your body changes from certain things.
But but yeah she she always just kind of is in it's a weird thing
to say I was gonna stay in line with what I'm doing.
But she is, she just she and I trust each other so much that we
know if we bring something up to the other one that we've put
some serious thought or God's really laid it on my heart to do
it. So We don't take things lightly
when we bring it to each other so it's really cool.
That's good man, that's really good.
What's the what's the next thing on the horizon point that you're
excited to dive into? Man, I want to listen to that
podcast. You just did with Rob wolf.
Yeah. About homeschooling and
unschooling and Montessori and whatever else.
I know, I have been Green Fields book on parenting.
They just came out with. I really like a lot of his
information. Have you read?
I know he's got Danny Vega in there talking about on schooling
and Got to look at that one yet but pretty much.
That's, that's our next big thing is trying to figure out.
I mean, that's, that's a ways off but figuring that out, I do
Health coaching I do, I don't have you ever heard of Emotion
Code or body code by dr. Bradley Nelson, huh, I'm not.
So it's a technique for emotional release, using muscle
testing and it's it's I can do it from, I can do it from a
distance, it's not I don't have to be in person with you to do
it, but that's something I still take clients from That and the
office I stopped working at to be a stay-at-home Dad, they send
patients my way, which is really nice.
And so that's really just my right now is, is maintaining my
baby. I'm trying to trying to make
sure I had just keep myself sane by having it, you know,
interviews like this or working with a client once or once a
week or once every other week. And then hopefully when Piper
starts becoming a little bit more independent, I used to do
when back in, Only 20. I felt like I needed to get some
information out there and just help people cheer up and so
early 2020. I started doing Facebook lives
and and I really enjoy doing that talking to people like you
and you know all these all these people I look up to and these
experts and and that's something I really enjoy.
So hopefully that starts starts back but but yeah, just staying
afloat right now man. Maybe maybe getting back out in
the woods. Hunting this coming year, making
some pemmican stuff like that. That's my goal.
Love it. Man.
Will definitely Let me know what you want.
I'm doing with the schooling front, you know, the Montessori
School, home schooling, the unschooling.
Let's that's kind of where we're putting a lot of our thoughts
right now like what direction we want to take things there.
So yeah, you come across anything that's resourceful to
you or just beneficial to know by all means, man, just for that
over to Mac. Yeah, well, a book, I could
recommend right now, the lady has two books.
The one I've read is the Montessori baby.
And then her next one, which actually was the first book she
wrote, I think is the Montessori toddler.
Just really cool information. Really great books, easy to
follow and easy, to make you feel like you can do it nice.
I will definitely those Tech. Check those out for sure, man.
Well, Mike where do people go to learn more about you and dive
into your world, pretty much everything I do is Facebook or
Instagram. Its Life Starts with Food and a
lot of my videos that were that I did on Facebook live.
A lot of those are on YouTube, I believe, it's either Life Starts
with Food or Life starts with Um, because I like to leave it
open-ended for people. Yeah.
So and that podcast coming soon, right?
Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully restarting
the podcast. I did a this is a funny thing.
I did a travelpod cast. Literally I got five or six
episodes in and with a friend and then covid hit s.
Not a good time for a chat, pod cast.
Yeah. So well man, I'm excited until
you get cooking right now. I'm excited about the chapter,
you're in now, as a parent. I'm just excited to keep
following along brother. So, keep doing what you doing,
definitely let me know because everything that I could do to
help and keep me posted may keep me in the loop.
Yeah, I greatly appreciate you, man.
And I greatly appreciate your consistency and emails and what
you do appreciate. You might.
I'll definitely keep them coming.
Thanks take care brother, you too.
I'm just excited to keep following along brother.
So, keep doing what you doing, definitely let me know because
everything that I could do to help and keep me posted may keep
me in the loop. Yeah, I greatly appreciate you,
man. And I greatly appreciate your
consistency and emails and what you do appreciate.
You might. I'll definitely keep them
coming. Thanks take care brother, you
too.