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Well, hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest 
Kirk Shelly on the podcast. 

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I met Kirk at Keto Con this past
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He's got an interesting story 
himself. 

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He has gone through bariatric 
surgery and has now adopted A 

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ketogenic carnivore diet as a 
way to sustain that weight loss 

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and also just improve his 
overall health. 

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So third and enjoyed this 
conversation. 

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I want to kind of get his 
perspective on the surgery. 

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I want to get his perspective on
Ozempic things that are 

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shortterm in nature like that, 
designed to create a lasting 

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effect and what his take on 
those lasting effects are. 

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And also just dive a little bit 
deeper into how he's adopted the

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ketogenic carnivore diet to 
maintain better health for the 

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long haul. 
So like I said, third, enjoy the

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conversation. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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take something from it. 
So that further ado sit back, 

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relax and do the podcast with 
Kirk 

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and we are live. 
Kirk Shelly. 

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How are you Sir? 
I am doing fantastic. 

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Thanks for having me on. 
Hey, I'm excited to have you on.

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We we met at Keto Con. 
You swung by the booth and we 

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have a mutual friend, Brian, 
who's an amazing individual and 

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he got us connected and I was 
talking to you at the booth and 

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you've got a pretty interesting 
story yourself. 

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You were you're doing a 
carnivore diet, but you've got 

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experience with bariatric 
surgery. 

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And I feel like that is 
something that doesn't get 

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enough press time. 
So I was excited to just get you

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on the show and kind of dive 
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experience, man. 
So kind of roll roll back the 

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curtain and just tell me what 
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go the route of bariatric 
surgery to begin with? 

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Sure. 
Back when I was 50 years old, I 

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thought I was kind of a healthy 
fat guy, weighed about 300 some 

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odd pounds, didn't have any 
serious health concerns and. 

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You know, everything was going 
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When I turned 50. 
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everything was fine. 
I was just another fat guy that 

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was kind of healthy because I 
could walk and do my job while I

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was down at the Sugar Bowl of 
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And I was coming home and I saw 
these horrible flashing lights 

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in my eyes and I was really 
terrified that I was having a 

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stroke. 
Well, when I didn't die, I 

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realized it wasn't a stroke, but
I knew I had eye problems. 

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I want to go see my eye, Doc, 
and she told me the bad news is 

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that yes, you, your back of your
eyes are all completely mangled 

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up. 
You're going to need shots in 

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the back of your eyes because 
you've got wet macular 

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degeneration and if we don't do 
the shots, you're going to be 

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blind. 
So, and I'm going to cut you off

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here, but I'm not as well versed
in ocular health optometry. 

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I'm assuming that is a result of
poor circulation type. 

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It is 2 diabetes. 
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type 2 type diabetes. 
The veins in the back of the 

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eyes get weakened, way too much 
blood sugar and over time it 

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will wear down your eyes. 
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blind you, it just takes away 
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So you can't read or anything 
else kind of akin to type twos 

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that have to get their toes 
amptated due to the poor 

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circulation in those extremities
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glucose. 
Kind of same thing going on from

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a from an eye standpoint. 
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A lot of people actually find 
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first in their eye, doc, because
when they're looking in the back

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of the eye, when they dilate it 
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they're going to see that it's 
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They can see the damage being 
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it's going to pop up anywhere 
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Gotcha. 
OK. 

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Didn't mean to catch you up. 
I just wanted to clarify that. 

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Yeah, no problem. 
So I asked her, I said, well, is

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there anything I can do about it
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back of my eye? 
And she said, yeah, lose weight.

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And that was the entirety of the
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It wasn't that, you know, you're
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metabolic health is messed up, 
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weight. 
So I started Googling how to 

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lose weight, and I went to 
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That wasn't working. 
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working. 
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had just done a study for five 
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bariatric surgery. 
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point was saying, okay, people 
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about a 70% chance of losing the
weight and keeping it off versus

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calorie restriction, which 
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success rate. 
So I went with the odds, went 

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ahead and had bariatric surgery.
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types. 
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familiar with is where they 
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That's the, the really horrible 
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obese. 
But there's another one called a

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vertical sleeve surgery where 
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your stomach and turn your 
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And that's the one that I had. 
So, yeah, and I'm very 

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successful. 
I'm considered a bariatric 

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success because I lost. 70% of 
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and kept it off for more than 
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Wow. 
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that you get when you have 
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your stomach mangled. 
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variations of bariatric surgery?
I know one is just simply tying 

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a band around the stomach, 
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There's banding. 
They can put a balloon in there,

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or they can reroute your 
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Did you notice a pretty stark 
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what you were able to consume 
immediately after that 

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operation? 
Yeah, I took it seriously. 

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I'm not one of these guys that 
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Cleveland Clinic said it worked 
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I had. 
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I actually listened to a lot of 
testimonials from people that 

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had had the surgery, some of 
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not successful. 
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people that were not successful 
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to eating standard junk food 
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Bariatric surgery is not a magic
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It is a tool. 
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I mean, it cuts. 
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signals come from your stomach, 
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you just don't get hungry 
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So you get a real good sense of 
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And what's interesting is. 
What they were teaching me to do

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afterwards was to prioritize 
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Basically, to get ready for the 
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strict keto diet to get rid of 
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If you don't, then they can't 
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They're going to have to move 
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they're going to cause damage to
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So you you can wipe out your 
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weeks just by following their 
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I was actually losing so much 
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second guessed whether I should 
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I was like, why don't I just do 
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beforehand? 
I like it. 

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I'm eating well and I'm losing 
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into the surgery. 
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high protein at that point, like
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or no. 
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protein. 
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Gotcha. 
Out of curiosity, what was your 

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diet like before that point? 
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mixed diet, lots of processed 
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What led to the need for 
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Right. 
I was eating the standard 

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American diet. 
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I was following the health 
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I mean, I ate lots of carbs, you
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that other good stuff. 
Ate lots of vegetables, didn't 

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eat a lot of processed food. 
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went Keto and Carnivore much 
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Once I found out about that. 
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standard American diet is just 
guaranteed the pack on the 

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pounds. 
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Walmart or go to the airport, 
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most people are eating what the 
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they're kind of like me, you 
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way up there in the weight and 
you're not metabolically 

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healthy. 
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it's frustrating because a lot 
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against the standard American 
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processed foods in a negative 
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And I 100% agree that that 
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light. 
I'm not advocating for that at 

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all. 
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massive demographic people that 
are not really eating the 

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processed foods. 
They're just simply eating, you 

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know, the mixed diet, high in 
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healthy carbohydrates and 
they're still gaining the weight

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as you're describing here. 
And that's certainly not not 

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good. 
No, it isn't. 

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It's kind of typical, and it's 
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I mean, it's just part of the 
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psychopathic system where 
everybody behaves of a complete 

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casual disregard for your 
health, even though they know 

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better. 
Yeah, I mean, just you go into 

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the doctor and then not really 
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nutrition at all is is 
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I mean, they're simply 
advocating for pills and potions

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and shots first and foremost, 
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and is secondary and changing 
nutrition is not even in the 

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conversation. 
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That's royally frustrating. 
And you know, and if you only 

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Google losing weight, what are 
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You're going to find bariatric 
surgery and you're going to find

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Ozempic and stuff like that, but
you're not going to find it much

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and by way of diet and 
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And my doc? 
I asked her. 

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Later on I said, why didn't you 
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diabetes and that I needed to, 
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that I had all these other 
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And she said, well, because 
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advice. 
She apparently I was the only 

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patient that had ever lost 
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weight. 
Yeah, it's. 

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I mean, I got a I'm trying to be
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the frustration from a doctor 
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that and not really gaining any 
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But at the same point, like, you
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conversation. 
I feel like there's certain 

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people that would most certainly
capitalize on that, if they even

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consider that as an option. 
Well, the problem is, is that 

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doctors just aren't trained in 
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I mean, one of the problems that
I keep finding is people go to 

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their doctor for health advice. 
And frankly, doctors are not 

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trained health professionals. 
They are trained idiopathic 

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doctors. 
The only thing that they. 

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The only tool they have is a 
prescription pad. 

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They don't take any classes on 
diet, they take no classes on 

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exercise, and they take no 
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All they know is eat less, move 
more, try to get some sleep. 

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Yeah, and if you can't sleep, 
we'll give you another pill. 

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But they're not really taking 
care of the problem. 

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You have to get that from other 
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So when you had the surgery and 
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maintain the weight loss, what 
what other signs and symptoms 

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and just changes occurred post 
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Like, was there very much of A 
downside? 

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Like, was there? 
What were the negatives of that 

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operation? 
Well, a lot of downsides. 

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I mean you lose a lot of stomach
capacity and so you have to 

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really plan your meals very 
carefully it it is self 

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correcting in a lot of ways you 
if you try to eat bread you're 

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just going to puke it up because
you're you just don't have a 

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regular stomach. 
It is just a tube. 

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And liquids go running right 
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So you have to change the way 
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You can't drink while you're 
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So you know there there's rules 
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along with it. 
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amount that you can eat at any 
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But you you say you keep it off.
Well, that's frankly not true. 

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Yes, you can keep it off. 
You will lose weight initially 

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because you have a size 
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But. 
Most people start gaining weight

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up to two years later, and I was
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I noticed that my weight was 
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had the surgery and I had my 
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surgery diet about two years 
later where I went out of 

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calorie restrictions to do that 
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And what is most fascinating to 
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into a guy by the name of Doctor
Stephen Finney who was doing the

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lectured on the low carb down 
under channel and he was the 

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first guy that really explained 
how carbohydrates affect the 

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bloodstream metabolic syndrome. 
And for the first time, I really

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got exposed to keto from 
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And when I finally heard that 
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second, I had been scammed. 
I've been following the 

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government's advice, and that 
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Let's go ahead and try a 
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And I remember very distinctly, 
you know, after about six months

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of research on keto, cleaning 
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supermarket, buying all low carb
food and looking at that big 

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pile of bacon and beef and 
avocado oil and all that stuff 

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going, wow. 
I was terrified. 

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I remember the stark terror of 
looking at this pile of food 

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going, this is 180. 
I'm flipping the food pyramid 

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upside down. 
I'm either going to really get 

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healthy or I'm going to die and 
I don't know which. 

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I'm just going to go out on 
faith that this is the right way

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to eat. 
And I haven't looked back. 

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I have kept my weight remarkably
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You know, that was about, I did 
about three years of very. 

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Solid Keto actually would check 
my ketone levels and all that 

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stuff. 
And then right before COVID, I 

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started hearing Doctor Berry 
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was like okay. 
That sounds crazy. 

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maybe that makes sense. 
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of a sudden I don't want to go 
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Once a week to get more 
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So I decided that okay, let's 
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for a month. 
I can buy a month's worth of 

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meat, put it in the freezer, and
I don't have to go back to the 

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supermarket and deal with all 
these idiots trying to buy 

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toilet paper. 
Yeah, so I went ahead and did 

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that. 
And the elimination diet. 

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Worked out really well. 
I lost about £15 on it, you 

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know, and everybody else is 
gaining weight during COVID. 

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I'm losing weight and getting 
stronger and realize this really

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works and what's been nice about
doing and when you do an 

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elimination diet, you're only 
the meat and eggs for about two 

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or three months. 
If ever you add something back 

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in, you find out, Oh my gosh, 
this really does affect me. 

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You may have experienced this 
with some of your own clients, 

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but what's really cool when you 
go keto is all of a sudden that 

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those little aches and pains 
start to go away and you lose a 

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lot of weight rather rapidly and
people will just kind of poo poo

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that saying, oh, that's just 
water weight, Well, that's not 

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completely true. 
That's inflammation weight when 

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you really think about it. 
So when you get rid of all the 

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inflammation in your body and 
you start waking up in the 

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morning, you don't have to do 15
minutes of stretching and. 

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All that type of stuff before 
you feel like getting out, you 

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know that you're just ready to 
hit the ground running. 

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That's the cool thing about this
stuff, and you'll never know it 

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until you try it. 
It's like my son, swam 

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competitively at high school 
level, was one of the top five 

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in the state and he kept 
pestering me, trying to get me 

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the the newest, greatest 
swimsuits all the time. 

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And I was talking to his coach 
about it. 

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I was kind of laughing. 
And his coach said no, no, no, 

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you need to take it seriously. 
And I said why? 

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And he said because he's aware 
of drag. 

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See, when you're a very you know
when you're an average swimmer, 

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you have no idea how much water 
is dragging you back, right? 

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When you get to be that level, 
you're aware of every bit of 

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drag on you. 
Well, I wasn't aware of all the 

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drag that my diet did to me 
until after I eliminated 

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everything. 
And now I'm aware of. 

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I mean, I had no idea that 
spinach kicks me in the rear 

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end, but it really does. 
I had a spinach salad a couple 

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of months ago with some friends 
and the next day I really felt 

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hung over, you know, the 
oxalates that are in that 

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particular food. 
Really do a number on me, and 

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I've been eating that for years.
I had no idea that was creating 

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a problem until after. 
I'd not had it for a very 

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extended period of time. 
Yeah, I definitely think that 

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any type of elimination that 
really opens one's eyes to how 

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much everything else truly 
impacts things. 

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And to some extent there's going
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microbiome. 
They're like if you were to 

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slowly titrate up your 
vegetation and take that 

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microbiome would acclimate and 
it probably wouldn't affect you 

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as negatively. 
But for those that that's not 

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the case. 
I mean it really becomes clear 

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how much some of those can be 
inflammatory in your body. 

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So for that reason alone, I 
think everybody should do an 

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elimination style that at least,
you know, acutely for a finite 

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period of time just so they can 
gain that awareness. 

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So I'm 100% in agreement with 
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So you were. 
Doing By the way, I think you 

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noticed this but I'll I'll point
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Whenever you do a lifestyle 
change, you really have to give 

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yourself 90 days for the 
experiment. 

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Yeah, because that's about how 
long it's going to take for a 

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lifestyle intervention to really
become clear to you. 

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Totally. 
So you were doing so after the 

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the bariatric surgery, you you 
were doing pretty much high 

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protein in preparation for that 
surgery. 

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And then how long after that 
surgery was it before you went 

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keto? 
Like how long after that surgery

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were you continuing your 
traditional diet? 

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Been a year and a half, two 
years, and you were just 

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increasing your intake kind of 
gradually, subconsciously and 

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that's what was leading to the 
weight gain and then you decided

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to go the route of keto. 
Right. 

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Yeah. 
Just, you know, you're eating, 

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but you're eating whole grains. 
You're, you know, you're eating 

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normally. 
You're eating the food pyramid, 

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you're eating the government 
recommendation, just less of it.

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But because you've got a slower 
metabolism, because you're not 

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eating as much, etcetera, it's 
not doing any good. 

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And it's slowly but surely 
you'll start to gain the weight 

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back. 
Nearly everybody that has 

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bariatric surgery does 
experience weight gain. 

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Again, now that you're just 
following a carnivore diet, are 

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you are you tracking your intake
much, or are you pretty much 

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just eating intuitively now? 
No, I'm probably going to be the

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one of the laziest guy. 
That's the thing I love about 

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keto. 
Carnivore. 

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I'm kind of carnivoreish. 
I throw in some onions and 

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spices and stuff like that. 
Yeah, but for the most part, you

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don't have to track them. 
I mean when you're when you're 

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eating meat, you know when 
you're full. 

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And then you know when you're 
hungry. 

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So I only usually eat twice a 
day. 

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I'll have like 4 eggs and about 
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morning. 
When I'm full, I quit eating and

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then about 435 o'clock I get 
hungry for dinner. 

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Then I have about pound of meat 
at dinner and that's it. 

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That's all I need. 
What kind of meat are you doing?

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Like a like a ground beef, like 
a rib eye steak? 

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And what are you doing there? 
It depends. 

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I buy my meat by the cow now, a 
fantastic rancher that I work 

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with, so I get this great grass 
fed grass finish. 

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No hormones, no vaccination 
beef. 

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And it's spectacularly 
delicious, too. 

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So yeah, I think if you're going
that right, I mean, you're going

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to have some days we're eating 
leaner cuts, some days we're 

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eating fat ear cuts. 
But over time, that all kind of 

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averages out and you're getting 
a pretty solid, I would imagine,

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roughly 1 to one ratio of fat to
protein over time. 

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And I think that's a pretty good
sweet spot for most people, 

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especially if you're eating 
intuitively, because that's just

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pretty much giving your mind 
everything it needs. 

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Yeah, and you're absolutely 
right. 

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A lot of people want to try to 
eat low fat sirloins only or. 

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Low fat hamburger meat and 
they're not going to get enough 

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fat, so therefore they're not 
going to get the energy and 

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they're not going to get the 
results. 

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Your body needs the fat as well 
as the protein and in order to 

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absorb it effectively 100%. 
So in regards to you mentioned 

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Ozimpicard, I kind of wanted to 
touch on that cuz that's a 

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pretty hot topic right now. 
So a lot of people are turning 

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to that. 
I've heard it mentioned on 

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multiple podcasts. 
You got some big names like I 

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think Elon Musk was on it for a 
while, several celebrities and 

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actors, They're just dropping 
weight for you. 

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Having gone through bariatric 
surgery, There's some 

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psychological parallels there 
between somebody that goes right

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of bariatric surgery and one 
that goes right of taking 

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something like Ozempic. 
What? 

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What? 
What's your What's your gut tell

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you about something like that 
Ozempic drug? 

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Right. 
Yeah, it's actually goes back a 

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little bit further. 
I did the Fen Fen back in the 

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90s, which was two drugs that 
work together for weight loss. 

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That was the big celebrity 
miracle weight loss cure and it 

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worked. 
I mean, I had lost. 

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I went from close to again, I've
always been fat and post 30 and 

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I got down to, you know, a 
pretty decent weight. 

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I was very happy. 
With the weight loss, the 

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problem is it created all this 
mental fog because I wasn't 

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getting adequate nutrition. 
I was eating the same food that 

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I always ate, just much less of 
it. 

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And that's probably part of the 
biggest problem that I see at 

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the Ozempic part is people keep 
wanting to eat the same foods 

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that they're eating. 
They're not changing their diet,

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they're not changing their 
lifestyle. 

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And as a result, as soon as they
go off the drug, like when they 

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removed Fen Fen from the market 
because it turns out that it 

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killed people. 
I regained the weight, but what 

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was really bad was because I was
not eating a really good diet 

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and I wasn't putting in an 
exercise. 

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When you look at the weight that
I was losing, I was actually 

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losing almost as much fat as I 
was lean muscle mass. 

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And as a result, when you put 
the weight back on, you're just 

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putting on that. 
You've lost the lean muscle 

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mass. 
And unless you know how to, put 

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that back on. 
You're really completely 

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screwed. 
Yeah, I in a. 

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Very bad way. 
I haven't honestly done too much

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digging into the research of 
Ozempic, but I I I would assume 

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that from a body composition 
standpoint, you know, people 

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aren't changing their lifestyle 
factors, their environment, 

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their nutrition. 
So they're eating less intake, 

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which is going to result in a 
down regulation of their 

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metabolic rate. 
They're going to lose lean 

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tissue and then when they get 
off that drug, like you're 

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saying they're going to want to,
they're going to increase their 

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intake and they're going to have
a lower metabolic rate to begin 

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with. 
So they're just going to put on 

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more body fats. 
Their overall composition 

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actually declines overtime as 
opposed to improved, which is 

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the last thing people should 
want. 

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Robert, you're dead on, right? 
It's actually worse than you 

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might think. 
The latest research I've seen 

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shows that people are losing 60%
lean muscle with their weight 

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loss. 
Because, you know, frankly, 

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they're just eating, you know, a
few chips because meat doesn't 

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feel good. 
That makes them a little bit 

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nauseous. 
And as a result, they're not 

454
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:16,990
getting adequate protein. 
And if you're not getting the 

455
00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:19,150
adequate protein, you're not 
going to feel like, like 

456
00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:22,390
exercising. 
And as a result, these people 

457
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:27,150
are walking time bombs. 
The piper's going to be paid and

458
00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:30,830
it's going to be bad, yeah. 
As a general rule of thumb, I am

459
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:37,150
pretty starkly opposed to any 
any you know shortcut in life, 

460
00:24:37,150 --> 00:24:40,670
shortcut with finances and 
business growth, shortcuts with 

461
00:24:40,670 --> 00:24:42,350
weight loss and composition 
goals. 

462
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:46,430
Like any of that that promises 
results in a very finite period 

463
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:51,390
of time that usually is a result
of cutting corners is not going 

464
00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:55,150
to yield the overall mental 
approach necessary to sustain 

465
00:24:55,150 --> 00:24:58,430
anything for good for any length
of time. 

466
00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:02,070
So for that reason alone, I'm 
vehemently opposed to it. 

467
00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:08,170
I am working with one client 
that has a horrible carb 

468
00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:11,530
addiction. 
I mean he he can stay clean for 

469
00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:15,130
about two weeks and he gets back
into it and he goes it's it's 

470
00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:22,290
almost like an alcoholic and 
what he he was very stringent 

471
00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:25,090
about it. 
He wanted to do Ozempic and 

472
00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:31,130
we're trying it to use it as a 
vehicle to help him control his 

473
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:34,770
cravings. 
But you know, we're trying to 

474
00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:38,010
cap them off at two months, so 
he's going to use as a tool to 

475
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:41,610
help him get over the hump on 
the carb cravings, hopefully 

476
00:25:41,610 --> 00:25:43,770
break those and then be able to 
switch. 

477
00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:47,530
Shouldn't keep to a keto diet. 
What What is the process to 

478
00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:49,690
getting this though? 
Is it has it has to go through a

479
00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:50,850
prescription I'm assuming, 
right? 

480
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:52,970
Right. 
You have to get your doctor's 

481
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:56,170
prescription on that one. 
There's a couple of different 

482
00:25:56,170 --> 00:25:58,050
ways of doing it. 
You can go to a compounding 

483
00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:01,830
pharmacist who can. 
Create it for you cheaper or you

484
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:06,950
can buy, you know the the brand 
names Wachovia or Ozempic and 

485
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:09,870
get the drug. 
It's very expensive, tough to 

486
00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:12,990
get at the moment. 
A lot of insurance companies 

487
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:16,790
don't want to cover it. 
So you know you have to jump 

488
00:26:16,790 --> 00:26:18,430
through some hoops in order to 
get it. 

489
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:22,950
But to utilize it just as a 
short term tool, there's one 

490
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:27,710
dock that I know nationwide is 
called the Carb Addiction Dock. 

491
00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:31,500
That's his channel. 
And he is using it for that 

492
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:36,420
purposes, to help people as a 
tool, to do a shortterm thing. 

493
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:39,780
You got a choice, You can do 
bariatric surgery or you can do 

494
00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:42,460
a zippic, you know, and you get 
to keep your stomach with the 

495
00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:46,820
Ozempic as a as a bridge. 
So if you're using it as a tool 

496
00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:49,900
it could be an effective thing. 
But most people are using it 

497
00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:53,660
too, because they want to lose 
£20.00 for wedding and all 

498
00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:55,940
they're going to do is regain 
the weight and they're going to 

499
00:26:55,940 --> 00:27:00,360
lose a lot of lean tissue. 
Yeah, no, I totally agree. 

500
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,520
You you mentioned this client of
yours as addicted to 

501
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560
carbohydrates. 
That in and of itself like that 

502
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,440
statement is strangely 
polarizing to a lot of people 

503
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720
right now. 
They don't like to view any form

504
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,760
of food group, any macro 
nutrient as an addictive 

505
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040
substance. 
I don't have any problem with 

506
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,600
that. 
I think that's a a very fair 

507
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240
statement. 
I'd love to get your take on 

508
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,080
that though. 
For people that are struggling 

509
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240
with overconsumption of 
carbohydrates. 

510
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:30,140
Why do you think it should be 
viewed as an addictive 

511
00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:33,260
substance? 
That because it fires off a part

512
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:36,260
of the brain that is a reward 
center. 

513
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:41,100
So much the same way that people
are addicted to heroin, cocaine,

514
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:46,620
alcohol, sex, gambling, anything
else at the reward centers in 

515
00:27:46,620 --> 00:27:50,220
your brain are wired in such a 
way that you get this big 

516
00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:55,260
dopamine rush every time you eat
certain foods or have certain 

517
00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:58,570
stimulation. 
You get addicted to the dopamine

518
00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:59,850
rush. 
It's not so much the 

519
00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:03,130
carbohydrate you're addicted to,
you're just addicted to the good

520
00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:07,770
feeling that it gets. 
And people are weird. 

521
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:11,770
I mean, usually there's some 
sort of trauma built into their 

522
00:28:11,770 --> 00:28:13,690
lives. 
There's a body, there's a book 

523
00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:18,010
called The Body Keeps the Score,
which deals with how how to 

524
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:20,810
overcome trauma issues. 
And because people will not deal

525
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:24,370
with the trauma issues they 
start to overcome. 

526
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,760
You know, those bad feelings 
with the dopamine rush and they 

527
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,920
that can come in many forms. 
There's lots of different types 

528
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,240
of addictions out there now. 
Cocaine and alcohol and those 

529
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,640
type of addictions actually 
creates real feelings of 

530
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640
withdrawal. 
I mean, when you withdrawal 

531
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,120
certain drugs from the system, 
you're going to actually have to

532
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,000
fight that Same thing like with 
nicotine. 

533
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,080
I used to smoke. 
And you know when you've got two

534
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,480
weeks of feeling like crap when 
you quit smoking, but after 

535
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
that, you know, then it becomes 
a mental battle because you're 

536
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,200
not going to be getting that 
quick hit that used to feel 

537
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,480
good. 
And if that makes sense, and 

538
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040
there's a lot of people that get
that kind of cool feeling that 

539
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,320
comes from the surge of sugar in
their system and then they get 

540
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,640
the dopamine rush and they get 
just addicted to that feeling 

541
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,120
and trying to realize that. 
What does the root causes of 

542
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,800
that are are really tough? 
I mean, I've I've dealt with 

543
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:33,160
people that have had various 
forms of addiction and it it's 

544
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,960
rare that somebody really 
overcomes an addiction and when 

545
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,720
they do, it's time to celebrate 
as far as I'm concerned. 

546
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Yeah. 
And it's tough with with food 

547
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,360
too because if you look at the 
addiction of a substance like 

548
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,680
drugs or alcohol, that's that's 
clearly a negative. 

549
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920
It's not really offering any 
benefit, but everybody has to 

550
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,080
eat food, right? 
So it's like it's a much murkier

551
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,680
territory, so to speak. 
But I think you know, when 

552
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
you're firing on all these bliss
points, when you're getting that

553
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,840
dopamine rush from a food, 
there's this negative feedback 

554
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,520
loop that occurs, especially 
with all the engineering that's 

555
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,160
been done to food to trying to 
find this bliss point that, you 

556
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,400
know, proper combination of 
sweet and salty and fats. 

557
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,110
It just it's not doing anybody 
favors that is prone to having 

558
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:20,830
that dopamine rush from a 
substance. 

559
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:24,470
And I feel like there is 
certainly a demographic people 

560
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:28,510
that can moderate that intake 
without any negative recourse, 

561
00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:31,950
no food disorder, eating issues,
none of that which you know more

562
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:34,990
power to them. 
But to discredit those that 

563
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:39,070
can't, that that's not a fair 
justification either. 

564
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:41,030
So for the people that are 
struggling with the 

565
00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:43,910
carbohydrates and the hyper 
palatable foods, I think of 

566
00:30:43,910 --> 00:30:47,090
viewing it as legitimate 
addiction and then acting 

567
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:49,370
accordingly is the most sensible
thing to do. 

568
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:52,290
Right. 
It's the same thing with alcohol

569
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:56,050
and the vast majority of people.
You know, you're probably one of

570
00:30:56,050 --> 00:30:59,090
those guys that could have a sip
of beer and go, wow, that tasted

571
00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:02,170
pretty and you put it down and 
you forget clean about it. 

572
00:31:02,650 --> 00:31:05,570
But you get an alcoholic, man, 
they they're going to be going, 

573
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:08,610
how can you put that beer down? 
You know, let me finish that off

574
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:11,170
for you. 
You know, their obsession is 

575
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:15,410
very different, so. 
And what's interesting to me, 

576
00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:19,970
there's a really interesting 
book that deals with the 

577
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:23,410
biochemistry of addiction and 
much more detailed biochemist 

578
00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:27,130
looks at addiction and he found 
out that most people that smoke 

579
00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:31,970
crack can actually take a little
bit and walk away from it. 

580
00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:36,050
But there's this percentage that
become addicts and get 

581
00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:42,050
completely wrapped up. 
So don't disconnect people that 

582
00:31:42,050 --> 00:31:44,750
really have. 
Carb addictions it is. 

583
00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:48,430
It's a real thing. 
It's tough to get rid of over. 

584
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:50,630
It's like overcoming any other 
addiction. 

585
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:54,110
You need support. 12 step 
programs help. 

586
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:58,070
Yeah. 
And no, I totally agree. 

587
00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:01,270
I think that is most certainly 
the right way to view it. 

588
00:32:02,350 --> 00:32:04,390
You mentioned nicotine earlier. 
I'm actually experimenting with 

589
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,270
nicotine pouches. 
Like just pure nicotine, not 

590
00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:10,600
tobacco, right. 
And that that's been interesting

591
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440
little experiment for me because
I'm only doing the three 

592
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,480
milligram pouches as a kind of a
way to suppress appetite in my 

593
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,560
prep right now and then give me 
some mental focus from doing 

594
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,400
like some computer work or 
something of that nature. 

595
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,200
But the, the, the three 
milligram pouches, I mean I'll 

596
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,600
take three or four of those a 
day. 

597
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,240
You know a single cigarette has 
8 to 12 milligrams plus all the 

598
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,340
negative side effects of the 
tobacco itself, but I would 

599
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:37,020
never want to become beholden to
having to have a certain number 

600
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:40,060
of pouches to make it to the 
day, like anything in excess is 

601
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:42,580
not good. 
Right then. 

602
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,100
And it will definitely have a 
negative effect on your 

603
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,980
cardiovascular work over time, 
but the smoking that is. 

604
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:51,220
This makes a poison, yeah, for 
sure. 

605
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:53,780
For sure. 
I think you know when it comes 

606
00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:56,940
to when it comes to foods, like 
we all have to consume foods, 

607
00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:59,340
but there is no essential 
carbohydrate like you don't have

608
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:02,460
to consume carbohydrates. 
So the notion that you are 

609
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:06,820
missing out by not incorporating
them, I think is that that's one

610
00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:10,300
of the big pitfalls to dealing 
with it and thinking of it as an

611
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,780
addiction because so many people
assume that they have to have 

612
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:14,900
it. 
Whereas when you strip that from

613
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,900
the barrier, when you strip that
from the the psychology, rather 

614
00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:22,380
it becomes much more graspable 
to remove it entirely and then, 

615
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:24,940
you know, break free of that 
negative feedback loop. 

616
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:28,460
Yeah, there, there was an 
interesting study that just 

617
00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:31,100
about last month when it dealt 
with. 

618
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:38,420
Anorexic and more diet and it 
the keto carb and elimination 

619
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:44,220
harbs actually helps people real
serious food eating disorders 

620
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:46,500
overcome it faster than anything
else. 

621
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,780
Whenever they try to give them a
balanced diet and say eat the 

622
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:52,500
rainbow and stuff like that, 
they can't do it. 

623
00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:56,740
But when you trying to feed 
somebody just meat, it's 

624
00:33:56,740 --> 00:34:00,130
amazing, you know that. 
We have a need for it. 

625
00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,690
We'll eat until we're full and 
then we stop. 

626
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:08,290
One of the videos I did was on 
how to gain weight. 

627
00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:10,969
And there was some really 
interesting studies that were 

628
00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:14,889
done back in the 1960s, back 
when you could do them, where 

629
00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:19,570
they overfed prisoners and the 
idea was okay. 

630
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:20,969
You know, let's see if we can 
make it. 

631
00:34:21,130 --> 00:34:23,650
We know. 
Make you know we're we've done 

632
00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:25,130
all these days on how to lose 
weight. 

633
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:27,969
Let's see if we can do a study 
on how to gain weight And they 

634
00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:30,929
took these prisoners and they 
overfed them carbohydrates and 

635
00:34:30,929 --> 00:34:34,090
they had no problem gaining 
weight on carbs. 

636
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:37,330
Then they tried it with, you 
know, increase in the amount of 

637
00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:40,050
fat and that was a little bit 
harder because people get kind 

638
00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:43,090
of nauseous and they would not 
want to overeat the fat, but 

639
00:34:43,090 --> 00:34:46,090
they could do it. 
But when they tried to over feed

640
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:48,250
them on protein, it wouldn't 
work. 

641
00:34:49,179 --> 00:34:52,340
Because people would just get 
full and they would stop eating 

642
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,860
and you could not force them to 
eat anymore. 

643
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:58,660
So that's the cool thing about, 
you know, the way we we try to 

644
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:01,780
eat, you know, when we're trying
to limit the number of carbs, 

645
00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:05,460
you're really are limiting your 
appetite. 

646
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:08,140
Your body knows when it's got 
enough protein and it's happy. 

647
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:11,260
Yeah, yeah. 
From a psychological standpoint,

648
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:14,860
I think there's a lot of benefit
in removing that because a lot 

649
00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:16,900
of carbohydrates are 
hyperpalatable. 

650
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:20,850
Now, if you're just simply 
eating, you know a plain white 

651
00:35:20,850 --> 00:35:24,730
baked potato Or white. 
Rice, you can probably do that 

652
00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:28,090
and moderate it much easier, but
there's not really much flavor 

653
00:35:28,090 --> 00:35:30,410
in there. 
But yeah, the hyperpalatable 

654
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:33,610
sweet foods are certainly a crux
for a lot of people. 

655
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:37,770
And when it comes to removing 
that, the physiological benefit 

656
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:40,050
I think is significant as well. 
And you don't have near the 

657
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:43,170
blood sugar dysregulation, the 
highs, the lows, that's going to

658
00:35:43,330 --> 00:35:47,480
kind of bode into the need for 
overconsuming in the 1st place. 

659
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,920
But I like when I removed the 
carbohydrates from my system, my

660
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,680
relationship with food and food,
like I just had a more in tune 

661
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,400
grasp as to what satiety truly 
was. 

662
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,240
You know, when to eat more, when
to eat less, like all that just 

663
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,480
kind of seemed to even out. 
And I feel like when you have 

664
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,720
that, like it's very empowering.
You don't feel the need. 

665
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,880
You don't feel like you're a 
slave to food anymore. 

666
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:15,050
I think you're absolutely right,
and I really do wish more people

667
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:17,850
would experience that. 
Because when you get to the 

668
00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:22,290
point of total food freedom, 
when you no longer, you don't 

669
00:36:22,290 --> 00:36:28,650
have extreme highs or extreme 
lows, and you are only aware of 

670
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:30,570
hunger because you're actually 
hungry. 

671
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:34,810
That's an empowering thing. 
If you've never have you ever 

672
00:36:34,810 --> 00:36:37,650
worn A/C GM for an extended 
period of time or for a couple 

673
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:39,250
weeks? 
I have actually got one in right

674
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:41,590
now. 
OK, so you you. 

675
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:44,990
It's a fun experiment. 
I did two weeks with it and when

676
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:49,390
I the first week I ate my 
standard diet and my blood 

677
00:36:49,390 --> 00:36:51,470
glucose never really varied 
much. 

678
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:55,310
It was always between 70 and 80,
somewhere in that range all the 

679
00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:57,950
time. 
It was almost boring looking 

680
00:36:57,950 --> 00:37:02,150
just to see that line go across.
The second week I tried some 

681
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:04,830
different foods just to see how 
they would affect it. 

682
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:08,060
Like, I was out, We went to a 
sushi restaurant and usually I 

683
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,260
just get pure sashimi, you know,
salmon. 

684
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:14,260
And I tried a couple of the 
rolls with rice on it. 

685
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:19,060
Boom, shoots up to 160. 
I mean, it was just just a 

686
00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:22,180
little bit of rice is enough to 
just shoot that thing up and 

687
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:26,620
then it, you know, then my phone
starts blaring because it would 

688
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:30,940
crash down to 50. 
And I noticed that, yeah, that 

689
00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:34,940
stuff was was making me hungry. 
It was changing my appetite. 

690
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:39,170
That's why when you go to a 
really good restaurant they give

691
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:42,810
you, if you're doing a 5 course 
meal, they're going to give you 

692
00:37:42,850 --> 00:37:46,610
something sugary and starchy at 
the front end to build up your 

693
00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:49,050
appetite. 
Because when you have the carbs 

694
00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:53,450
up front, you get hungry. 
Yeah, I feel like for a while 

695
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:55,490
there everybody was jumping on 
the CGM bandwagon. 

696
00:37:55,490 --> 00:38:00,370
There was a certain population 
that was kind of poo pooing on 

697
00:38:00,410 --> 00:38:02,930
people that were not diabetic 
using Cgm's. 

698
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:05,010
I don't know if they were 
worried about they're being in a

699
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:07,170
run on CGM's or what, Not really
sure. 

700
00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:10,370
But I think for the general 
population, simply being 

701
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:12,770
equipped with that knowledge is 
very, very empowering. 

702
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:16,970
If people like it makes sense to
try to strive for stable blood 

703
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:20,010
sugar levels, like there are 
countless studies that that 

704
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:23,210
illustrate the benefit of having
stable blood sugar levels. 

705
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:28,370
So if people were to simply 
gamify that, and where is CGM? 

706
00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:30,570
You know, whether you're 
diabetic or not, and just simply

707
00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:34,770
eat as you normally would. 
But then be mindful of what that

708
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:38,050
data is showing you. 
And then do the same thing with 

709
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:41,530
the intention of trying to keep 
that line as stable as possible.

710
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:45,810
Like that alone would be a 
pretty, pretty cost effective 

711
00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:49,690
way to open people's eyes as to 
how much their nutrition impacts

712
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:52,730
their Physiology. 
Now there's a group of doctors 

713
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:57,040
over at Harvard Medical School. 
That started that experiment and

714
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,920
it completely changed their 
paradigm where they started to 

715
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,760
realize that certain foods 
affect them in certain ways. 

716
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,520
And that's really important to 
really start to grasp that. 

717
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,680
And I I wanted to do some 
experiments too, because there's

718
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,600
some people that when they were 
wearing the CGM and they drink a

719
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,800
diet soda, their brain will 
actually increase the amount of 

720
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,440
insulin and hence they'll have a
response where their blood sugar

721
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,330
will go up. 
Thinking that they're getting 

722
00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:27,250
regular soda. 
Other people, I didn't have any 

723
00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:29,290
response at all. 
I could drink a Diet Mountain 

724
00:39:29,290 --> 00:39:34,170
Dew and mine would stay flat. 
But some people do have a spike 

725
00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:37,370
in blood sugar just based on the
the sweetness, even though 

726
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:39,610
they're not getting sugar. 
So that's the important 

727
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:42,770
information to know if you're 
one of those people that kind of

728
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:45,690
hyper respond in that way, yeah,
this the following phase of 

729
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:48,890
insulin response is interesting.
You know people like it really 

730
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:53,620
goes to show how pivotal the 
brain is in everything that we 

731
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:55,260
do. 
Like if you consume something 

732
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:58,460
sweet your brains going to turn 
on a signal to excrete some 

733
00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:00,500
degree of insulin. 
Now for some that may be 

734
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:03,500
negligible, for some it may be a
lot, For some, even if they 

735
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:06,060
don't really experience much for
blood glucose or insulin 

736
00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:10,860
response from a non nutritive 
sweetened beverage, it often 

737
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:15,020
times leads to the tendency or 
urge to binge on sweet foods. 

738
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:18,180
And that in and of itself is 
something you want to avoid, 

739
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:21,700
like even if you don't have a 
blood sugar response from a non.

740
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:24,900
Caloric sweetener. 
Like something with sucralose or

741
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,220
Cecil fan potassium. 
But if that sweet sensation you 

742
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:32,540
know contributes to the desire 
and urge to binge on something 

743
00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:34,780
else that is sweet, that is a 
negative in my opinion. 

744
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:39,740
Yeah, that that goes back to the
whole carb addiction idea and 

745
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,140
understanding what your triggers
are and what affects you, 

746
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,780
because we're all a little bit 
different, you know that we're 

747
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,940
we're pretty constant. 
There's certain things that 

748
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:49,580
we've got. 
We've got a heart and a liver. 

749
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:54,090
But outside of that, you know 
how people's brains are wired 

750
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:56,970
were all vastly different? 
Yeah, definitely. 

751
00:40:57,490 --> 00:40:59,610
Well, So what? 
What is the the future hold for 

752
00:40:59,610 --> 00:41:00,650
you? 
What were the things looking 

753
00:41:00,650 --> 00:41:04,290
like going forward now that 
you've pretty well got your keto

754
00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:07,890
carnivore diet dialed in? 
Are are you weight training now?

755
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:15,130
Yeah, I actually, well I well 
thanks to COVID again when they 

756
00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:17,330
closed the gyms I actually 
started. 

757
00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:22,940
Trying to figure out how I could
work out at home so I could not 

758
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:25,900
get my hands on weights. 
During that time everybody 

759
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:32,700
bought them all out, but I ran 
across the X rebar and started 

760
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:39,020
finding out about bands and so 
and I have a ATRX suspension 

761
00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:43,980
system, so between the bands and
the the TRXI can actually get. 

762
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,480
Much better workouts done at 
home than I did even when I was 

763
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,480
doing CrossFit and stuff like 
that. 

764
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,880
So I found that I can get a lot 
of work done and really frankly,

765
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,440
in about a 15 minute workout, I 
can get pretty much everything I

766
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,440
do 15 minutes twice a week on, 
you know, upper body, lower 

767
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,680
body. 
And then I do Sprint training 

768
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,760
using a Schwinn air night bike 
couple of times a week. 

769
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320
And just by doing that I've been
actually able to put on a lot 

770
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,240
more muscle mass and my grip 
strength. 

771
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,960
I used to be only be able to 
hold myself up on a bar for 

772
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,240
about a minute. 
Now I'm up to over 2 minutes and

773
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:29,160
I've got my pull ups where back 
when I did the CrossFit I could 

774
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,840
do 5. 
Now I'm up to 15. 

775
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,760
So my strength has been only 
been improving just using those 

776
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,110
two modalities. 
And it's, I'm happy. 

777
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:42,350
I mean, it's 60 years old. 
I'm stronger than I've ever been

778
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:46,670
in my life and I've never had a 
34 inch waist before. 

779
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:50,910
And while we're down at Keto 
com, I went and had a DEXTA scan

780
00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:55,390
and I'm like 17% body fat. 
So, you know, at 60 years old, 

781
00:42:55,390 --> 00:42:57,710
that ain't too bad, ain't too 
bad, man. 

782
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:59,190
I'd say. 
I'd say keep doing what you're 

783
00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:01,430
doing because it's obviously 
working for you and that's that 

784
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:04,230
goes for everybody. 
Like when it comes to to lifting

785
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:07,620
resistance training, you know, 
like the main thing is to find 

786
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:12,580
what you can adhere to and 
sustain in some form of fashion 

787
00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:15,020
every single week, every single 
week, indefinitely. 

788
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:18,420
Like if you can figure out what 
that is and enjoy doing it, 

789
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:21,340
that's going to be far better 
than just going crazy hard in 

790
00:43:21,340 --> 00:43:23,660
the gym doing traditional 
weightlifting. 

791
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:25,820
You know, for a very finite 
period of time. 

792
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:28,340
Like if you find what works for 
you and then you just simply 

793
00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:29,980
stick with it that it's sticking
with it. 

794
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:31,300
Adherence part. 
That's the main thing. 

795
00:43:31,940 --> 00:43:34,340
Yeah, I think a little bit over 
time. 

796
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:38,230
Pays a lot more dividends than 
everything all at once. 

797
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:41,870
And I mean my goals are are 
simple when it comes to 

798
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:45,230
exercise. 
I want to put on muscle. 

799
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:48,150
I want to get stronger and I 
don't want to hurt myself. 

800
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:52,950
And you know that that's it. 
That's all I want in life. 

801
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:56,990
And if I can get that done with,
you know, relatively, you know, 

802
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:59,510
you know, my my workouts are 
short. 

803
00:43:59,510 --> 00:44:03,130
They're 10 to 15 minutes. 
But they hurt. 

804
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:08,850
I put on a an interval timer and
I push as hard as I can for a 

805
00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:12,850
solid minute, then give myself 
20 seconds off between the next 

806
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:18,010
exercise and then keep up that 
cycle and by the time I'm done 

807
00:44:18,010 --> 00:44:21,050
at the end of that minute, I 
mean I am about done. 

808
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:26,930
I can't push it all the way 
anymore and it hurts, but when 

809
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:31,070
it's done it's done the the 
resistance bands with the X3. 

810
00:44:31,070 --> 00:44:35,870
Are you following his protocol 
of like pretty much one set for 

811
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:38,430
a given exercise to fill just a 
single set though? 

812
00:44:39,070 --> 00:44:47,510
Yeah, I use no the the body by 
science modality and his and 

813
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:50,710
frankly I think multiple set 
things work. 

814
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:54,670
I mean, I've listened to Mike 
Medzner and he gave this lecture

815
00:44:54,670 --> 00:44:58,230
on why his program is the only 
way to do things. 

816
00:44:58,770 --> 00:45:02,410
And I'm sitting there going that
makes no sense, Mike, because 

817
00:45:02,530 --> 00:45:05,890
frankly there's people that are 
doing multiple sets and getting 

818
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:09,010
tremendous results. 
So how can you tell me that it's

819
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:14,450
only A1 size fits all protocol. 
But when I for me personally, I 

820
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:18,730
want to be able to get things 
done quickly and not hurt myself

821
00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:22,130
but still get results. 
That's the way I do it, the way 

822
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:24,810
I do it, and it and it's been 
working really darn well. 

823
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:28,470
I definitely do not subscribe to
the only one way to do things 

824
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:30,030
mentality. 
I think there's multiple ways to

825
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:32,750
skin a cat as a saying goes, 
especially when it comes to 

826
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:36,430
weight training and nutrition. 
And you clearly are proof that 

827
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:38,150
whatever you're doing is working
quite well for you. 

828
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:41,590
So I would not be 1 to deter you
from that at all. 

829
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:49,150
Well, appreciate it, you know 
and I frantic, you know one of 

830
00:45:49,150 --> 00:45:54,430
the things I I think might make 
sense to you is that if I can 

831
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:59,630
get. 80% of the results that you
get, but only have to do 20% of 

832
00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:02,390
the work. 
I'm going to do that because I'm

833
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:06,470
kind of naturally lazy. 
And you know, if I wanted to get

834
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:10,630
that extra 20% of the results, 
you know, to be like there. 

835
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:13,870
There's guys in my age group 
that are competing in 

836
00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:16,790
bodybuilding and they're 
naturals and they are 

837
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:21,590
spectacular specimens. 
One guy just won the Mr. 

838
00:46:21,590 --> 00:46:23,570
Michigan. 
Open. 

839
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:29,130
I mean, he's really incredible, 
but in order to do what he does,

840
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:32,250
if I wanted to get to that 
level, I'd have to do 80% more 

841
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:37,130
work to increase things to get 
an extra 20% result. 

842
00:46:37,770 --> 00:46:40,330
I'm too lazy. 
I'm just gonna stick to what I'm

843
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:42,370
doing. 
No, I totally agree, man. 

844
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:45,570
I think there's definitely a way
to view health and nutrition 

845
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:48,810
through this 8020 analysis. 
And as long as you're able to 

846
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:52,920
find what you know 20% input 
yields 80% of the results and 

847
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,120
you're able to sustain that, I 
think that is a very, very 

848
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,160
healthy and appropriate way for 
everybody to go through it. 

849
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,480
Bodybuilding like my sport, that
is definitely not the masses 

850
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,680
like that, is that is going 
after that last 1%, but 

851
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,960
certainly not necessary for the 
general population. 

852
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,780
I mean if the general population
that you kind of alluded to 

853
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:14,420
earlier that you know you see 
walking around the airport or 

854
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:17,540
coming out of the grocery store 
that is Moberly obese and the 

855
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:21,100
furthest thing from healthy, if 
they just simply did a few minor

856
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:23,940
tweaks, removed all the 
carbohydrates, certainly all the

857
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:28,620
processed carbohydrates and just
simply moved more via TRX span 

858
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:30,940
resistant span. 
Some simple form of weight 

859
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:34,980
training, you know, a few times 
a week like that would yield 

860
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:37,620
tremendous benefit above their 
current baseline. 

861
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:40,410
Yeah, let me let me give you a 
terrifying number, and this 

862
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:46,370
one's true. 
Roughly 88% of America is 

863
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:50,450
metabolically unhealthy, and the
five measures they use is waist 

864
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:52,850
circumference. 
If your waist is above 38 

865
00:47:52,850 --> 00:47:56,250
inches. 
If your blood glucose is running

866
00:47:56,250 --> 00:48:00,730
above 100. 
If your blood lipids, 

867
00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:04,770
particularly HDL, the supposedly
good cholesterol. 

868
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:07,130
If that's real low, like under 
30. 

869
00:48:07,830 --> 00:48:13,350
Your triglycerides are really 
high and you know you've got on 

870
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:16,350
your blood pressure. 
If you have one of those 

871
00:48:16,350 --> 00:48:18,670
markers, you're metabolically 
unhealthy. 

872
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:23,990
I had all five when I was 50. 
I mean, I had a 46 inch waist, 

873
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:28,270
you know, no HDL, high 
triglycerides, high blood 

874
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:33,030
pressure, you know, and fasting 
glucose of over 140. 

875
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:38,040
I've gotten rid of all. 
I even even my blood pressure is

876
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,320
now normal and you know that's 
been it took a few years to get 

877
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,480
to that point. 
But it's well worth it. 

878
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,520
And it's not that hard and it 
doesn't, it doesn't cost any 

879
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,480
extra money. 
It just takes a little bit of 

880
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,680
time and a little bit of thought
on it. 

881
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,720
But boy, once you do it, it will
change utterly change your life 

882
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,240
where you can do the things that
you were supposed to do. 

883
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,020
I mean our. 
Part of our birthright as legacy

884
00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:06,980
as human beings is we're 
supposed to be strong until we 

885
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:10,380
die because we're hunter 
gatherer stock. 

886
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:12,740
That's where we came from. 
And if you were not able to 

887
00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:16,300
move, if you were not able to 
feed yourself, you died. 

888
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:18,860
That's you know who we should 
be. 

889
00:49:18,860 --> 00:49:21,780
We should be hunters and gathers
right up to the very end. 

890
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:25,140
I completely agree. 
I think you know we we owe it to

891
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:26,740
ourselves. 
I mean, we don't owe it to 

892
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:28,740
ourselves. 
We owe it to those like our 

893
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:31,130
family members. 
Like one of the things that I'm 

894
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:34,770
really passionate about is I 
don't want to be a burden on my 

895
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:36,250
children now that I have 
children. 

896
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:39,890
Like I don't want to be a burden
on them because of my declining 

897
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:43,610
health and well-being as I age. 
You know, like we should all 

898
00:49:43,610 --> 00:49:48,090
strive to be self-sufficient in 
that regard and be resilient as 

899
00:49:48,090 --> 00:49:50,930
we age. 
So I'm in 100% agreement with 

900
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:54,530
you on that one, Kirk. 
With one of the I think the the,

901
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:58,050
the cool lasting legacies and I 
will put this out for the guys 

902
00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:03,710
in particular if you're a dad. 
This is what's been really cool 

903
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:06,630
in the last three years. 
When my kids have seen me 

904
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:12,190
transform from this really 300 
pound guy to somebody that has 

905
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:16,110
got themselves in really good 
shape, I'm noticing they're 

906
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:18,190
starting to pick it up. 
They're they're in their late 

907
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:23,030
20s now and they were kind of in
shape, but all of them 

908
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:26,630
realizing, you know, Dad's 
taking this stuff seriously, 

909
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:28,550
they they don't ask you a lot of
questions. 

910
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:31,750
They notice. 
And they've told me later on 

911
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:34,470
that's, you know, I got inspired
because you were doing this type

912
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:38,470
of stuff, dad. 
And that may be the best legacy 

913
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:42,630
that you can leave your kids is 
to be healthy so that you're 

914
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:44,230
encouraging your kids to be 
healthy. 

915
00:50:44,670 --> 00:50:47,790
Because look at families. 
I mean, you can see the fat mom 

916
00:50:47,790 --> 00:50:50,590
and dad and guess what their 
kids look like, because that's 

917
00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:54,110
what they've been modeled. 
You can model good health for 

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your kids. 
And I hope you guys will do it. 

919
00:50:57,140 --> 00:50:59,700
Pick up the challenge. 
I fully intend to do it myself, 

920
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,060
and I hope anybody listening is 
on the same page as well. 

921
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:06,100
But I 100% agree with you Kirk. 
Well, awesome man. 

922
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:08,260
Where can people go to find out 
more about you? 

923
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:10,460
Dive deeper into your story and 
just follow the journey? 

924
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:12,060
Is there? 
Are you on social media at all? 

925
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:18,220
I am on Twitter. 
I'm Carnivore Kirk Kirk like 

926
00:51:18,220 --> 00:51:19,740
Captain Kirk. 
I like it. 

927
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:23,980
And if you want to go to my 
YouTube channel, I try to break 

928
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:28,050
down my videos and. 5 to 15 
minutes segments dealing with 

929
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:30,170
that. 
I've been studying the stuff for

930
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:34,250
a decade and I try to break all 
this stuff down into short 

931
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:38,690
digestible points on how to get 
more healthy, how to, if I do 

932
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:41,690
bariatric surgery, how to do 
that in most healthy way 

933
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:45,130
possible and explain all these 
different issues. 

934
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:48,610
So we take, you know, so you've 
go to the Bariatric Carnivore 

935
00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:53,610
and you can find my YouTube 
channel and that's. 

936
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:57,590
Really, what I've been doing for
the last few months, there's 

937
00:51:57,590 --> 00:52:00,630
about 80 of them up there and I 
try to put out a new one every 

938
00:52:00,630 --> 00:52:05,670
single work day just on a short 
topic and keep them short 

939
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:09,230
interesting and hopefully people
you know several 100 people are 

940
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:13,910
starting to watch them and I'm 
enjoying doing awesome. 

941
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:16,910
Well, I will most certainly link
out to those channels make it 

942
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:18,870
easy for people to find you and 
I just encourage you to keep 

943
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:20,590
doing what you're doing. 
Curriculum and you're making an 

944
00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:22,150
impact. 
You turn your own health around.

945
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:24,670
You're modeling it to your kids,
to their kids. 

946
00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:27,470
I mean, you're you're a light in
a sea of darkness. 

947
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:30,430
I mean, the fact that you've 
gone through bariatric surgery, 

948
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:32,870
you're now in your 60s and 
you're kicking butt. 

949
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:36,190
I mean, that speaks volume. 
So I I tip my hat to you good 

950
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:37,270
Sir. 
I appreciate what you're doing. 

951
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:41,310
Great again. 
Glad Brian got us together while

952
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:44,230
we were over at Carnivore Con. 
That was, that's fun group. 

953
00:52:44,430 --> 00:52:46,510
Yeah, it definitely is. 
Hopefully I'll say at some of 

954
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:48,030
the other conferences coming up 
for sure. 

955
00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:50,150
OK. 
Looking forward to it. 

956
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:51,310
All right, Take care of Kirk.