What's going on? Ladies and gents, Robert Sykes?
Keto, Savage not comment today. Haven't got special guest,
repeat guests. Jinpa Taro, and Greg Mueller.
They're both client are both clients of mine.
I've coached them both through a competition prep.
They both earned their Pro card, this past year and there they
were amazing clients. I've thoroughly enjoyed working
with them. I had both them on the podcast
individually. Now, they're both deeper State
keto coaches. So I wanted to bring them both
on at the same time to kind of just talk about their coaching
philosophy. What they're excited about doing
from a coaching perspective, talk about their prep a little
bits for your that hadn't heard their first episode and just
kind of introduce them a little bit more from the perspective of
being a deeper State keto coach. So it was a little unwieldy.
This is the first time I've ever done a podcast with three people
of which were all remotely dialing in.
So, a little goes, a couple lag periods there, but hopefully
it's not too distracting from the audio quality.
But again, I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation.
I've got utmost respect for both Jenn and Gregg.
I've got no doubt whatsoever that they were going to be
amazing coaches, because they're in it for the right reasons.
They know their stuff and they're just good people.
So, without further Ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy the
podcast conversation with gin and Greg
and we are live with. We got gin and Greg on the line.
How y'all doing today? Great.
Thanks. Doing well.
Is this is the first time for the listeners that I've done a
podcast with two other guests, all remotely.
So hopefully there's not any Crazy Legs.
Umm, issues, but I'm excited to have this conversation because
we've had each of them on individually and now they're
both deeper State keto. Coaches if I be kind of cool if
we just chit chat about our coaching philosophy a little
bit, we can also talk about y'all's, you know, Journey, we
talked about that on the individual podcasts.
I did with y'all but bringing it to the Able from a coaching
perspective. I think adds a lot of
perspective and value for people that are thinking about jumping
into online coaching one-on-one coaching, going the extra mile
and hiring a coach, and just kind of seeing how coaches think
would be really advantageous. Because there's a lot of coaches
out there, especially in the keto space.
Now, they're like a diamond dozen.
It's a really kind of given you on opportunity, as coaches to
just say what your philosophy and overall Outlook and desire
for coaching to begin with would be a worthwhile conversation.
I think so. Ladies first.
Jin you, you're the lucky one here.
Give like a freebie. That didn't hear that podcast
that you, and I did give the listeners a little intro into
you. Okay, so I've been following a
ketogenic lifestyle for about three years now, and it's just
gradually progressed based on the fact that I feel amazing.
Like, I just feel like this lifestyle really works for me
just the diet itself. And then, of course,
incorporating exercise into it. Made it that much better than
decided to take that to the stage, which was an incredible
experience of course, and now even gone so far.
As, you know, my family is Is living this lifestyle.
So it's just been an evolutionary process and I know
how great it's been for me and my family that I just really
want to help others because I know my journey was not easy for
me to do. Thank goodness.
I found you and your podcast which really really helped and
then moved on to have you. And even one of your other
coaches helped me along my journey and just seeing the
value that that broad. Ought to me, I would love to be
able to, take my experiences, my knowledge that I've gained, and
help other people along their Journey live, their best lives,
feel their best. Not that everybody needs to take
it to a stage of course, but I just think that there's there,
there's a lot of value in the lifestyle and I'd love to just
help others with it. Well, I didn't realize how far
you'd come and your transformation that when I built
that you're coaching page. And you sent me those.
Four. And after pictures, like, I
didn't realize that you had ever, you know, were carrying
that much weight and to where you are now is just like, I
didn't know that because when you and I started working
together, we've been working on that for quite some time.
But you were already athletic at that point.
So for you to go from, you know, where you were at your heaviest
and least healthy to where you are.
Now looking like you do on stage and went pro cards, like it's
pretty, pretty inspirational for sure.
It's pretty crazy. I've been battling weight,
basically, all of my life and up and down, and I lose it, and
then a gained it all back and some and then I'd lose it and I
gained it all back and some, and it wasn't until I found this
lifestyle that I found something, a so sustainable, be
so healthy and see that really resolved?
My Everlasting battle with the with weight and with health.
So yeah, lots of that background to that.
I can certainly help share with others if I get an opportunity
for sure. Yeah, I definitely talk about
the sustainability of factor that feel like we all have that
in common. But before we do Greg, can you
give us a little little intro into you and your life?
Yeah, you bet. I am sure a lot of the
similarities with Jen as far as some of the things that she's
gone through and kind of encountered and evolved and make
some big lifestyle changes and found it very sustainable myself
looking away back kind of into my past.
I was a kind of overweight. I was definitely consuming the
standard American diet, a lot of garbage.
A lot of processes to sugars sugary drinks, just you know,
Typically kind of what you see, the average person in our
country consuming these days. I was a heavy smoker.
I smoked for ten plus years of pack or plus a day.
I drank pretty frequently is just just not anything like, I
am. Today.
I've come a long ways. I started dabbling in a lower
carbohydrate, type of nutrition plan and approach and made some
adjustments here. And there are a lot of
self-experimentation over the years and kind of you.
Evolved naturally into digging into Quito.
So I officially been on a ketogenic Journey or ketogenic
lifestyle for six or so plus years.
I have tried targeted, keto cyclical, keto strict, keto,
dirty keto, all these little slang spin-offs for Quito and
back before, I was full-blown ketogenic.
I had done a few bodybuilding, men's physique, competitions and
done. Well, had a good time and
shortly after that is when my natural transition into keto
took place. And so, I always had the high
hopes of jumping on stage again with the ketogenic competition
prep and maintaining a ketogenic intake and that's where we kind
of got joined up together and you ran me through your standard
ketogenic prep, and it was absolutely mind-bogglingly
easier. I was able to eat all the same
food. I don't think we adjusted any of
my food choices. One bit.
Looking back on the non ketogenic approach.
It was like night and day, you know, I was doing the bro, bro.
Science kind of competition, prep back then and the rice, the
boiled chicken, the whatever else.
So long story short. I've been very successful at
Keno. It's been very sustainable.
I've noticed, countless physical mental, emotional improvements
throughout every aspect of my life.
And so, it's naturally, enjoy sharing that success and some
tips and tricks and everything with people who are looking to
embark on a ketogenic Journey. But nowadays, there's so much
garbage, littering our store shelves, and our media and our
TV, and it's absolutely so confusing for anybody who hears
the word, keto reads, the ketogenic articles or sees, all
these products on store shelves, that are sick.
That's a R Quito. And really, they're just full
of, you know, crap ingredients and not really keto friendly.
So, here we are. Today, I decided I wanted to
jump on board officially as a ketogenic coach and give some
people the opportunity to flip their life around and make the
best of it. I love it.
So you can keep them for six
years. Now.
How long did you say? You've been keto for Jen?
It's been a little over three years now.
Well over three years. It's interesting because I've
been doing it for I guess about seven years now.
Crystal has been doing it for about six and I've seen like
this evolution of the ketogenic diet throughout the media and
you know what the different dining circles talk about
everything and it's weird because I feel like, you know, I
think it's probably spiked and reach its peak in probably 2018.
That's when all the Google Trends were saying.
It was the highest I believe and you're seeing a lot.
People in the keto space now that, you know, really made a
lot of momentum in the keto space, totally jumping ship and
doing all these other things and it's not the say that that's
wrong. Like, you know, I encourage
people to find their own way and path in life, but utilize people
that were hardcore devout keto, and now they're doing, you know,
flexible dieting or metabolic flexibility or more of a, you
know, Paleo Approach or just a bunch of different approaches
that are not really ketogenic by definition.
And I'm curious. I mean, I know why I'm staying
keto, but I'm curious as to why why y'all think that is first of
all, and then with that known why y'all wanted a double down
on doing pretty much a ketogenic approach from a coaching
standpoint. I guess we'll start with Jen
again. We'll just go.
Keep going. Ladies first eggs.
No, it's been. The idea for me at the start was
how can I eliminate an entire food group?
How can I eliminate carbohydrates?
And it, I always had in the back of my mind.
I would at some point once I got to a healthy place.
I would reintroduce them, but it just doesn't make me feel good
to do. So like especially as I'm
reversing. Dieting out of the competition
prep. I am just noticing the bloating.
The abdominal pain be like my body is just not super happy
with carbohydrates. I feel amazing.
I feel better without them than I do with them.
So I see no need to go back. Yeah.
Go back to adding carbohydrates into my life.
And then I look at my friends. So, if I come to the coaching
aspect of it, and the reason I really want to pay it forward is
because I on a daily have conversations with people just
natural conversations where they're expressing concern with
their gut, with their hormones, with their sleep, their energy.
And I'm just all of these things.
I really think that I could help you with with a ketogenic diet.
Like there's just so many benefits that I've seen and I
think can help other people. So I really feel like it's my
time now to sort of pay it forward and and help others feel
as Good as I do. Yeah, totally respect that.
And Greg, you'd you competed with the traditional, bro, dine,
and you've competed with Quito and you've done all the
different subsets of Quito, the targeted, the cyclical, the
dirty key do this trick. He do, I would assume that your
calories are probably pretty similar between the bro-down
approach in your prep and the key to approaching your prep.
Yet. You felt differently throughout
those two different Journeys. So what why do you stay key
demand? Because you've kind of
experiment with it at all? Is well.
Yeah, I actually like Jen said she kind of did a little trial
and error with reintroducing carbohydrates after being keto
for so long. And I did the same thing.
I thought. Yeah, I don't you know, I'm
going to just going to see if I'm really missing out on
something that I'm kind of had forgotten about by being
ketogenic for so long and I tell you what, every time I
reintroduce, something that's pretty heavy in carbohydrates,
or sugar or anything like that. It is it throws me off for At
least a couple of days and that's obviously it's booting
you out of ketosis, but also all the symptoms.
And, you know, your gut feels terrible.
You get headaches. You don't have any energy or
lethargic you're on this. Crazy blood sugar roller
coaster, you want to crash, you want a binge.
It's just give out for me and also throws me into a little bit
of elevated, depression and anxiety.
So as soon as I can, I hop Right back into the ketogenic
bandwagon. And as soon as I feel that my
body is got that switched back into ketosis.
It's like night and day. So I have played with the
targeted keto meaning that you usually what you do is your
surround, your your carbohydrate intake around your activity.
So maybe you beef up a little bit of carbon take prior to a
gym session and, or after a gym session, and I've also done the
cyclical. Where are you baby?
Do your carbohydrate is structured into a, what you
consider a refeed or a cheat meal?
I guess if you want to be sloppy with it, but those also seem to
not really allow the amazingness of Quito to shine through as
bright as if you were strict straightforward.
He do. So, that's where I'm at.
Yep. It's interesting because I don't
think I've ever deviated since I've been strict.
He do. And it's not the same that I
haven't been curious as to what I would do.
Like in a lot of people have asked me like, you ought to just
see if your body responds differently with carbohydrates,
but I've worked with so many clients over the years that have
been super strict, you know, and like totally transformed their
health and their composition and then they'll have these same
questions. So they'll do it.
And they'll come to me, you know, day or two afterwards and
they'll just tell me how miserable they feel.
So for me, it's like that kind of spoils me away from even
trying it because it's like, if I'm getting all these clients
telling me this is just not worth it.
It kind of, you know, dissolve my intention or desires to even
try it. And I don't feel like I miss
anything, you know, like I don't feel like my performance is
hindered and my recovery is hindered.
My hormones are all healthy and my mental Clarity is consistent.
So it's like, you know, the whole adage of, you know, if
it's not broke, don't fix it, couldn't bring more true than
it. Does.
I feel like if you've got a well-formulated ketogenic diet
humming along and that's not to say that everybody needs to be
doing keto. But I mean, there's a lot of
people that are doing pretty crappy, versions of kids are
doing like a dirty Quito and they're probably missing a bunch
of micronutrients and they may see some benefit.
Or maybe they're not eating enough calories.
They'll introduce some carbs and that's going to increase their
overall caloric intake and will see a benefit from just simply
eating at a maintenance or Surplus.
But for the people that are following our well, well
formulated ketogenic diet, and they're getting the right amount
of fats proteins micronutrients. I honestly just don't see any
benefit to the carbohydrates. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify
here that when I'm saying I'm reintroducing carbohydrates.
Like I'm talking about vegetables and low carbohydrate
like celery and cauliflower and cucumber.
Even care. I get scared on occasion, but
like my knees, as I walk up the stairs, I feel like an elderly
woman right now and I can hear my knees crying.
And I so I'm trying to think of other examples where I'm really
know I've noticed. Difference.
And I just think that living more of the even carnivore.
Like that's where I think my head's and going next is living
more of a carnivore lifestyle, then, certainly than adding any
more carbohydrates into my diet. Yeah.
It's just weird minute that this like this, this idea that you
have to have carbohydrates from a performance, standpoint has
gained so much momentum over the years.
Like that's just what people assume you have to have free
energy in order to fill out glycogen reserves and have full
muscles on stage two. Be able to do in any type of
endurance, work yet. There's just athletes after
athletes after athletes illustrating that.
That's not the case with Endurance, Sports, like, Zach
bitter. For instance.
Mike, McKnight. He just ran.
I think you just broke some record for running all with,
with fasting. He did the whole thing fast.
And, you know, we've all learned our Pro cards with a strict
ketogenic approach through the entire show prep and peak week.
There was no carb refeed there to fill out for the show.
We avoided all that, and you just see this time and time
again, so, For me, it's like, I'm not trying to say that.
Everybody should be doing a ketogenic diet by any means, but
I think what is most sustainable should be, you know, optimized.
And I feel like for a lot of people they just don't do well
with carbohydrates, and that may be a psychological issue that
may be an emotional tie to carbohydrates that maybe some
digestive issue that comes from the carbohydrates.
But for those people to think that they can't excel in life
unless they have carbohydrates. I feel like it is a deliberate
liberating to know that they can.
And even surpass what they could have previously without them
entirely and I feel like that that's empowering.
But I don't know, maybe I'm just absolutely, I think we're on the
same page on that one though because could not agree more,
you not agree more. I'm shocked and I've you know,
you talked to a lot of people I've not competed any other way.
I know no other way than the ketogenic way.
But just in speaking to other people, it's kind of cool to
learn the differences and to see that you know, in a show you get
there. And even though I haven't put a
carbohydrate in my body and years I was able.
To get myself to a point where I was able to earn a pro card.
Yeah, and I mean, y'all, both look freaking amazing on stay is
like, I've seen I've seen Greg's pictures from when he was doing
his prep back in the day with carbohydrates.
And like you said, you haven't done the show before this, but
it's like, I see a lot of competitors.
I see their professional stage shots.
I see him on stage and there wasn't anything that you all
brought the table. That I feel could have been
improved with carbohydrates. If you're not missing anything,
if it's more sustainable for you, if your hormones are in
better, check then, Then I don't see any need like so many
people, they live. This moderation approach life.
And for some people that's great.
And I mean, that worked for them.
But like, if you are genuinely excited about optimizing things
around a diet that is just better in tune with what your
body responds. Well to then that to me should
be more exciting and more liberating more empowering than
that temporary high you get from incorporating.
The increased variety of having carbohydrates like that.
The meat is not a worthwhile trade-off.
I totally agree. Yeah, and it's not like, I mean,
I mean, people think that we just eat bacon and eggs all day
long and that's not the case either.
I mean, you know, you're in Canada gin, so I don't really
get it. Enjoy a meal with you too often.
But but Greg, when you flew down here, I mean after your show, I
mean we were eating pretty freaking good man.
Those steaks were like two inches thick and we had some
Glenfiddich gots to wash them down.
We had some stuffed mushrooms, some stuffed jalapeno.
Poppers and life is good. Yeah, we even went out for
Mexican. Remember we brought a couple
bags of pork rinds in there and they were so kind as to build
this insane heaping plate of nachos, for each of us on the
pork, rinds that we brought in there instead of using chips and
they were awesome. Yeah, I think it just takes it
takes a little bit of effort. Like, I think, you know, you
can, you can go to any restaurant, any, any dining
experience and make it ketogenic, make it within your,
your goals from a nutritional standpoint.
It just takes a little bit more effort than just Simply looking
at picking anything from the menu, but I feel like that app
that little bit extra effort is totally worth its while and if
you're going to feel better, if you're going to perform better,
then you might as well just put forth that little extra effort.
Absolutely, and I might even argue that it's easier for me to
die. Note any restaurant.
I want to living ketogenic lifestyle?
As I was, if I was on one of my other diets in my previous life,
right? I can make anything work at any
restaurant. Any time any place and my
daughter and I were just talking about that, you know earlier
today and how grateful she is at even 13 years old doing.
Following this lifestyle and how easy it is for her to eat at
restaurants to what is that? Like, because you've got how
many kids now to write mu 2. Yeah, and they're both doing
pretty well, keto or just her pretty well, key.
Do they still eat yogurt? And they still do eat fruit, but
we've cut out all sugars, like other unnatural sugars and
potatoes, chips crackers, all that kind of stuff.
So it can be challenging for them when they go to friends
houses for sleepovers or birthday parties and things.
But, you know, the world we live in buying them some sort of an
option like the protein chips, even a low-carb, so they just
bring their own. But again, like it's easy to
easy to make it work. I'm curious because with so like
there's all these different dining circles and there's these
beliefs, you know, some people say it's all calories.
Some people say it's a whore. Bones, when it when it comes to
the Obesity epidemic that we find ourselves in.
But I feel like children are a unique opportunity to see how
their their behavior, their mood.
All these things are impacted. Just from the foods are
consuming because, like, you know, they're they're not, there
are definitely a lot of obese children out there these days.
But like, if you've got a child, you said she was held.
He'll just turn 13 13 today just turned 13.
Okay, so she's not morbidly obese.
She's you know healthy, she's got a high-functioning
metabolism. She's you know, 13 years old.
When she eats foods that are good single ingredient
wholesome, ketogenic esque foods and calories are more or less
equated for this. She have a different response.
Like she like her mood, her energy levels because all that
different verses when she's eating roughly the same caloric.
That's coming from typical foods that you see in kids grocery
store aisles. Absolutely completely different
child, especially the mood and is where like I say, she's 13
and going through these changes right now, and she commented to
me just the other day. How much better?
She feels like without any prompting.
She's explaining to me, how much better her body feels and I love
it. I love that for her.
Like, I don't care what you eat. But if you're feeling better,
you know, it's working. That tells me it's working, and
I'm just so happy. We decided to make make the
switch. Yeah, see, I feel like that.
I mean there's always people to say like like I said earlier
it's all about calories. But when you when you just
simply look at how your you're going throughout the day, your
mood, your energy levels, especially when you're looking
at a child like that, like that. That's a pretty indicative
factor of what's actually going on behind the scenes and that
all these calories from different sources, can't really
be put into the same grouping. You have to kind of look at the
quality of that nutrition and what their what it's doing to
the individual. Hands down.
Absolutely, and when she compares herself to her friends,
the same age, going through the same things, their experience is
very different from hers. So again tells me that the
higher fats and things for hormones in women girls can make
a huge difference. Not just about calories in
calories out for sure. Yeah.
And speaking of hormones, Greg you did your show and you get
your hormone panel. How long after that after the
Because that hormone panel. That was.
I think it was maybe a month. Was it a month or so, I think I
don't even think it was. I mean, maybe three or four
weeks. I don't think of any longer
than. Yeah.
I think you're right. Yeah, I was probably with it was
less than a month how much I had my heart.
Thank your family. Owes you remember?
I think we were down where we down Seventeen eighteen hundred
or so. If I remember correctly off the
top of my head. Yeah, I think 17 hundred or so,
which is honestly is quite a bit higher than a lot of people take
their calories. So that that was good.
But then, you know, three or four weeks post deficit like the
the depth of your deficit, your hormones, your total
testosterone is what 700 something.
Yeah, get my total test. Yep, and that's pretty unheard
of. I mean, there's a study I forget
the name of the study, but they looked at natural body builders,
they go through a deficit and it was like the again and I'm going
to butcher study, but the test pool.
They were looking at like, there were many, many participants in
there that I haven't testosterone as low as the 200s,
you know, post-show and here you are 700.
And I honestly think so much. That is simply a result of you
having a Dietary fat intake with a ketogenic approach throughout
your prep, as opposed to incredibly low dietary fat that
is common of most bodybuilding, show prep nutrition, protocols
and and it just makes total sense when you stop and think
about like if your body fat is sub five percent body fat and we
got, I don't know if we got sub 5 with you, but we got pretty
dang low like 6% or something. And if you're not taking any
dietary fat and you're not taking it any, you don't have
any body fat, I mean, your hormones are going to freaking
tank, like that's just going to happen.
But if you're able to mitigate, Eight that in large part by
keeping dietary fat High, that's going to be a huge Factor as
well. There's another thing that I
really want to talk about with both yell because I think this
this brings an interesting perspective as well.
A lot of people, I mean, in most competition, perhaps they'll
keep protein, incredibly High to preserve as much lean mass as
possible. So continuing to train hard,
continually train, heavy maintain your volume throughout
the caloric deficit is incredibly muscle sparing and
from a nutritional standpoint. Everyone keeps their In very
high to prevent muscle breakdown as well.
However, in the past when I've done shows before Quito and my
protein was very, very high and my fat was relatively low and my
carbohydrates were low or high. Depending on where I wasn't that
prep. I always lost a ton of strength
and would see truly significant dips in like the numbers.
I was pushing in the gym. Now both of, y'all had a pretty
relatively low protein intake towards the very end of your
competition prep. Cuz your dietary fat was still
high in. Carbs are obviously very low,
but I don't feel like either of y'all Or me in my later
competition, preps with a ketogenic diet, sustained hardly
any strength loss at all. Like, we weren't really hitting
PR's, but you're all sending me your strength metrics.
And all of them was, was pretty on par with what you were
pushing in the very beginning of the prep, when calories were
high. Is that right?
Absolutely. Sorry if we're sticking with
ladies first. I thought I'd jump in the event.
Definitely, I was throughout the duration of the prep able to
progressively push harder every week up until peak week when I
wasn't supposed to but I could have if I needed to.
Yeah, definitely. I don't think that I lost any
muscle there. I would argue that.
I think I might have messed it up a little bit in the reverse.
But when I started to add protein back to quickly anyways,
but no all in all the prep with the protein as low as it got.
I was totally fine. I don't know about you there.
Greg. Yeah, I agree with you.
I actually had some gym sessions where I was knocking out some
PR's as my clerk load, was decreasing.
And so I, you know, there was a few weeks.
It's kind of hit or miss with any type of training where
you're not going to always have a hundred percent at every
single gym session, but there were definitely some days where
I was hitting some PRS. And my strength is was
maintaining way more than I would have ever imagined and I
just kept raining hard all the way through prep until we got to
Peak Week. Like you said you kind of dial
it back a little bit and don't do anything too strenuous and
kind of come coasting into the stage.
So it was amazing. Yeah and see this is this is
interesting because there's all these scientific studies out
there that point to Greater protein intake being very, you
know, muscle sparing which is true hundred percent, true.
I'm not I'm not denying that at all, but I think in the context
of a caloric deficit for a competition prep, if you are a
fat a day, Adapted individual and you keep dietary fat High,
which is going to keep your hormones, more stable, and
you're not trying to build muscle necessary, so much as you
are trying to preserve the muscle.
You have built in order to optimize from a fat loss
standpoint and just improve the composition for stage.
I have found, you know, without a doubt and all the clients.
I've worked with more muscle preservation by keeping the
dietary fat relatively high. And, you know, not that I'm
trying to go for low protein by instance.
I'm not trying to Promote low protein intake, but if you're
trying to, if your calories are whittling down, it has to come
from somewhere and carbs are obviously going to be low
because we're doing a ketogenic approach.
There's no benefit to having the carbs and you basically either
pull from your fat or your protein.
And we pull from both, but we keep dietary fat relatively
High, you know, comparatively and the protein is low by most
people's standards for that finite period of time at the
very tail end of a prep. And I don't notice any muscle
wasting. I continue to hit the lifts that
I was sitting at the inning and both of you did as well.
And I feel like there can be all these studies in the world that
show that, that shouldn't happen.
But I've seen it time and time and time again in working with
over hundreds of clients. And it's like, I don't need any
study to tell me that this is impossible.
Like, I know for a freaking fact, this is what's what's
happening here. And this is what's working.
So that's all, that's all the reassurance I need.
But I'm going. Yeah.
So box here. No, totally agree.
Totally agree. I would have doubted you before
I actually experienced it, but hands down, I was able to
maintain that muscle, for sure. Now, as a lot of it boiled down
to being somewhat mental as well, because when you get down,
wouldn't your kind of in the prep and your calories are
dwindling week back week after week, and your protein is
dropping and you still want to hit the gym and you still want
to It hard, if you have that mental mindset going in there,
that all, you know, my intake is low.
My protein is low. I probably won't be able to lift
this heavy. Then you're just setting
yourself up to lift, less heavy. Yeah, so if you go in thinking
that, you know, I'm still going to give it everything I got.
I don't know how this is gonna go.
I'm shooting for the best, and you're able to do it.
So, there's a little bit of mental mental play there, but
it's doable for sure. Yeah, 100% Well, I wonder too,
like, one of my proteins High, I don't sleep as well, right.
And then I would wake up tired and wouldn't have the energy to
do what I needed to do at the gym either where the way that I
was out. I slept like a baby and woke up
feeling like a million bucks and could push it in the gym, too.
Yeah. It's interesting because like, I
mean, we're all in the keto space.
We're all seeing these posts that people are making.
And and and protein is often times given this Halo and, you
know, told to, you're told to eat it at libitum, eat protein.
There's no cap to protein. There's no issues if you over
consume protein, And I can't stress this enough.
I am not demonizing protein. Like I don't want anybody to
listen to this and think that I'm suggesting people eat a
little Protein, that's not the case at all.
But I think there is a significant benefit in starting
with a very high percentage of your total calories coming from
fat. If you are just starting the
kids drink diet, and you're getting fat adapted because you
remove those carbohydrates, and you have to replace it, energy
source with something, and protein is not a great substrate
for energy. And then I think there's also a
massive benefit to in the context of a caloric deficit in.
Which your body fat is very low, you trying to keep your hormones
stable and preserve the muscle that you have as opposed to
build more. But in a building phase or when
calories are higher, when the primary goal is to build muscle.
I mean, my proteins, pretty dang.
I like, I'm probably at, like, I don't know, 200 grams of protein
a day or so, right now, which is, you know, I only weigh 175
pounds, so, that's, that's totally a protein for me.
And both of y'all are increasing as well, because you're coming
out of this reverse diets, so, I don't know.
It's just, there's just a lot of context when it comes to
discussion around. Protein and I don't like seeing
all these just generic recommendations for eat this at
all costs, when it comes to protein, don't ever dip below
this. There's no good that comes from
it, eat as much as you want and Beyond it, but that's just not
the real case when it comes to optimizing for a specific goal.
Not at all. I'd love to kind of dive into
from a coaching standpoint with y'all both being deep sticky
dough coaches. Now, you know, we can't touch a
little bit on why you are motivated to coach.
But when it comes to coaching philosophies that I've been
coaching for a long time. Now, I think that's hard 2015,
2016, something like that. And a lot of people come to work
with a coach because they truly just don't.
What to do from a macronutrient manipulation standpoint, they're
looking to the coach for that micronutrient standpoint from a
people come to coach for lots of different reasons.
I think a lot of it is just an accountability Factor having
somebody there to, you know, that's, that's done what you're
wanting to do. And just let you know that
you're on the right track because I mean the first time I
ever did a prep, I had no coach and I did everything wrong, and
I kept second-guessing myself because I didn't know if I was
doing everything right or wrong. And that lack of Have resulted
in just a toll but a whole bunch of mental bandwidth, getting
sucked out of me and just things ID and lots of stress and
depression that comes with that. So for yum, you know, being able
to be an accountability factor for any potential.
Clientele coming your way. I mean, what do you what do you
see? I mean what have you experienced
personally and being coached yourselves?
And then what do you hope to do going forward and being that for
others? Again, ladies first gym.
It's all you. Thanks, Robert.
No, I'm think for me. I want to be a supporter
motivator. Like you say, help with some of
that background experience helped, give them the
confidence, and the knowledge, share the knowledge that I have.
But I also know that the person that I'm coaching has to have a
strong. Why?
Like, I can't make you do it. I can't put the food in your
mouth. They're in your cover or you've
never like you need to come with a reason why and I have a strong
foundation and core belief as to why you want to do this.
And then I feel like I can then help guide and motivate and
encourage along the way. Yeah, sort of what has worked
for me in the past and and even in starting to coach a few
people. Now, that's what I think will
lead to a really successful coaching session.
Are there going to be times when you're not as motivated and you
sort of lose that why a little bit?
Yes, and I would absolutely help to remind you of it and bring it
back but that's sort of the philosophy and approach and
style that I would take and I do too.
Love it, but you Greg. Yep, same thing.
I know I really like and put have a lot of value in the
accountability portion of things.
So if you've got somebody who's on your side and can kind of
keep you held accountable somebody that you know that
you're going to be that's watching you kind of making sure
you're staying on track and they're going to be looking at
your numbers. Looking at your weights, looking
at your progress. Photos kind of keeps you refrain
from wanting to let them down a little bit.
So It's a big factor for me. Also, you know, anybody can hop
online and find a dozen or more different macro calculators and
punching their stats and they're going to get a dozen or more
different sets of numbers. Whereas, when you work directly
with somebody, who's kind of taking in all of your
information and your your life circumstances to consideration.
They're going to help dial you week by week or regularly.
We're going to kind of give you some tidbits and pointers and
everything along the way day by day and taking it.
Consideration that you're an actual person.
Not just somebody who's punching up numbers and going to try it
themselves. So, I think the personal
connection is a big factor because we're all human beings
and we all come from different backgrounds.
We all have different things going on in our lives.
We all have heartache. We all have tough times.
Good times UPS downs, and if you have somebody to talk to and
kind of working through that one-on-one, it's it's really,
really valuable my opinion. So that's kind of what A few I
want to try to portray with people in the future as well.
Well, I feel like I've been spoiled because, you know, I've
seen all types in clients over the years and both of y'all were
freaking exceptional clients like for me as a coach.
And and now y'all as coaches, when the client comes to you,
and they're just like self-motivated.
They're ready to rock and roll. They just simply want Direction.
And then once you give them the direction, they freaking run
with it. Like that is a pretty easy
coaching client relationship because I mean, then I Undo my
work, as a coach. I can see how their body is
responding to the various manipulations that we're making
and then we make the correct adjustments and then they just
Implement those adjustments. And then I continue to just find
finesse and finding the process. Whenever you get somewhere that
just is, you know, motivated temporarily.
But then that falls off because they lack discipline and then
they, they fall off the wagon and they just as Perpetual cycle
of on-again, off-again like that is an exhausting relationship.
Now, it happens. And you know, I've had become
Better Coach and learning how to work with those type of people.
And we take it one day at a time and we try to make progress and
we do make progress. But you know, for me having been
blessed with. So many clients like the two of
y'all were to me in which you know, I gave you the macros.
I gave you the instruction that you just freaking rain with it
because you were disciplined that that's awesome.
So I hope nothing but the best for y'all as coaches getting
client to like that because it everybody wins in a relationship
like that. So I can only hope that is what
the majority of your clients will be like.
Yes, I think but I do think to your point so much of it is a
mental game. Right?
So you're in it, you might be motivated for a while and then
it starts to slip. So this is why I wear, I think
that we Greg and I press sounds like we're very much aligned can
really help, you know, motivate and encourage, and get that
mindset. Maybe back to that place.
And, and again, hold accountability and help
encourage and get people to achieve the goals that they
intended. To achieve.
But again to Griggs point that, you know, if you have a great
relationship if it's the right fit, I just see it being
incredibly successful and we can help push through some of these
mindset shifts and sort of the the point where maybe we're
somebody on their own might fall off completely, we can just help
bring them back. Yeah, kind of percent.
It's kind of its kind of crazy like as coaches, you know, it's
a coaching is Is like a seen as a selfless Endeavor.
Like you're trying to do this to the betterment of your clientele
and that is absolutely the foundational pillar of why you
do what you do as a coach. And I know y'all both enough
personally to know that that's the reason you're doing this but
it's kind of cool when you start coaching people because you see
their success and you see them lean on you for motivation
inspiration Direction knowledge and it just makes your own
conviction of the lifestyle grow that much deeper.
So I I've become a better ketogenic athlete personally
because of the people I've coached over the years because
it motivates me to stay with it myself because I see firsthand
day after day after day, how it benefits.
So many people outside of my own unique Inner Circle and I think
you know, both of y'all have the potential to be absolutely
amazing coaches and also amazing athletes in your competitive
Endeavors. So I feel like the the deeper
you hone in on this lifestyle because Motivation from the
coaching client relationships that you have.
It's going to make you a better Coach to them.
It's also going to make you a better athlete personally.
So, I'm just excited for y'all. Both to have the tools and have
the ability to have the opportunity to put out value in
this world to others. Because, I mean, I don't know,
I'm not trying to blow smoke up anybody's but here, but y'all
both great people. You're both skilled coaches,
skilled athletes and I mean, I totally vouch for you 100%
because you know what you're doing, you know, I'm proud to
see y'all keep doing it. I would agree with that, 1000%
Sorry to jump in on the agenda. But I just thought as boiling,
you know, I had a couple out a couple years to three years of
personal training experience. And so I did come across several
different types of clientele and people that were motivated.
Not motivated people that were that were, you know, adhere to
the plan and not adhere to the planner fall off the wagon every
weekend or whatever else. And those the challenge was a
very very rewarding work. Those people in all different
types of people, and seeing their success in their progress
and the Joy on their face when they check in and their weight
went down or their body, composition looks better or
their pants are looser, or whatever.
Your non scale. Victory might be, is that is
super incredibly motivating for me personally, and I'm sure it
is for you Jan and Robert just people's success and the way
they start seeing results. Results and improving their life
makes me want to see more results and improve my life.
So it's kind of like a regurgitating, circle.
Maybe that's not the right word, but it's just like it's a
never-ending Loop. So I want you to succeed because
then I want to succeed and then you're going to succeed because
we're all succeeding and it's just it's just a motivational
clan of everyone that works together.
So Yeah, kind of percent 100%. The said it better myself.
Support circle of support support system.
It's awesome. And really appreciate the
opportunity to hear Robert. Well, I'm excited.
I'm going to kind of go off on a little bit of a tangent here.
But so y'all both coaches under the deeper State keto brand,
which is one of my sub Brands. And for me by, that does not
know, I don't really talk about deeper State keto, because it's
something that I built alongside.
Matt Mega keto connect back in 2017.
I want to say I built that course with them right after I
earned my Pro card in 2017, and I've honestly not really done
much with it. You know, I just haven't, I've
been busy building, keto Savage, Kubrick and everything else.
But here lately, I've been going through the deepest a keto
course. It's like a 90-day course for
me. That doesn't know.
It's 90-day course teaches you how to manipulate your Macros.
How to track your intake with a higher fat approach to begin
with is really good for people that have not yet become fat
adapted or just dabbling into keto for the first time.
But I've been going through all these course, modules to kind of
brush myself up on the course. I've been kind of polishing and
tweaking a few things and even though it was made in 2017.
Like it's a super freakin solid course, like I'm excited to
breathe some new life into it. We got some new content coming,
I'ma start, you know, putting some more marketing effort
towards that and I'm excited to have you all.
Come on board as coaches because you're going to offer a ton of
Are you as coaches? And you know, I think I think
the whole concept of deeper State Quito and what it stands
for is basically just getting people adapted to more of a
deeper state of ketosis. And I feel like we've all said
in the very beginning, how there's all these different sub
diets out there these broad dancers flexible dieting.
There's dirty keto, cyclical keto, but we all come back to
pretty much a strict ketogenic approach with the emphasis being
on Quality Foods and I feel like that's what deeper.
Aikido is at its core. So I'm a super excited to have
you both join the team. I'm super excited about the
content that we're going to be putting in adding to the course
itself and just the value that we can add, you know,
collectively. So I'm honored to have both the.
I think the world of both of you and I'm just excited for what's
to come 2022. Here we come.
Absolutely can't.
Wait. It's going to be I'm stoked.
This is a great opportunity. Thank you guys for being part of
it. This is going to be awesome.
It will indeed. So for anybody that does not
know where to find you all individually.
You, anybody can sign up to work with you as a coach on deeper
State keto.com, but if they want to follow you on your individual
social profiles, which I encourage people to do
something, kind of get a feel for you all as people.
Where do they go for that? I'm just Jen to Taro on
Instagram, as well as Facebook, and even a bit on YouTube
documented, my my journey thus far as far as competition prep
in the reverse diet out of it and even a few little Meal
videos on YouTube now. Awesome.
What about you, Greg? You can find most of my content
on Instagram at Quito Greg 80. Kilo Greg. 80.
I just kind of post all kinds of updates stories recipes gym,
stuff articles. You name it, whatever kind of
Quito related. So sure hop on there and check
it out. They can go on there right now
and see your 315 benchpress fail.
Yeah. That video I that was a video.
I think it was probably it was a few months back.
Just kind of came across it in my gallery on my phone and I
thought I'm going to share this again.
Just kind of refresh that content.
But yeah, I had a edit 315 bench press setup.
And I was at the gym. One evening, all by myself.
Nobody else was in there and I got the first rep knocked out,
but the second rep wasn't going to happen.
So luckily I was able to save myself and have zero injury.
So you had, you had a good tip there.
Like if you're doing bench, press solo, leave the Clips off
the bar, that way you can just rock it to one side.
And then the other two, Get it to not pinned underneath it.
But yeah, it's no joke, man. It's I don't do 315.
So about myself. I don't, I don't want to get
pinned in there. But I guess that's just leave
the Clips off and I'm ready to rock, like you.
Yeah, do you even leave the Clips off the barbell?
If unless you have, maybe if you're in like a rack or you've
got some spotting pins or whatever else is something in
there as a safety catch, but this particular bench didn't
have that. So yeah, leave the pins are
leave the Clips off the brackets off the end so you can rocket.
Side to side and just dump the wait.
There you go. There you go.
Well, Jim and Greg nothing, but pleasure always talking to you.
Um, I'm excited for what's to come this year, and I'm excited
for the value. That will all hopefully be
adding to the community as a home.
So as always, if there's ever anything that I can do for you.
Just let me know. Hit me up and I'm there for you.
I appreciate you so much Robert. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you.
Have a great day.