1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Well, hello ladies and gents. Robert Sykes Keto Savage Com 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,600 Today I've got special guest Matt Dawson on the line and he's 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,320 doing all kinds of amazing things. 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,760 He's hiked across the Mojave Desert unassisted for days on 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,960 end. He's gone through the peaks of 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,480 the countries he's gone. He's about to go to the North 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Pole. He's doing just awesome hardcore 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,000 stuff. And in doing so, he's had this 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,720 discovery of self moment. He's found his purpose in life. 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,080 He's found what brings him fulfillment. 11 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:28,400 He's found a way to help others do that as well and just create 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,680 multiple charities. And he's just changing people's 13 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,200 lives by doing really cool, challenging things. 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,760 So I wanted to get him on the podcast, dive into some of these 15 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,880 challenges that he's overcome and how he's been able to grow 16 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,360 from that and help others do the same. 17 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,840 Got no doubt that you will take something from it, so that 18 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,360 further delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the conversation with Matt 19 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Dawson and we are live. Matt, how are you, man? 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,240 Doing well man, listen to all my closest friends call me Dawson 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,599 so feel feel free. Dawson All right, I can say 22 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,560 that. Well, I I get pitched podcast 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,240 guest all the time, man. Like I honestly like half of 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:11,680 them. I'll take on half of them I'll 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,320 decline and they all the agencies like send me, you know, 26 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:18,800 hit list of topics and like, you know, a couple links and I saw 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,480 yours. I'm like, man, this guy's doing 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,080 some hard shit and I can appreciate that. 29 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,520 So I just wanted to get you on the podcast. 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,400 Talk about that, man. Now, look, I, I appreciate it, 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,120 man. It's, it's been, it's been a fun 32 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,400 couple years, got a chance to get out there and get after a 33 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,720 little bit. But you know, more importantly, 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,760 we're doing it for a bigger, a bigger purpose. 35 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,680 For Dawson's Peak Foundation, you had to hopefully motivate 36 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,760 people to live lives of greater purpose, not only for 37 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,440 themselves, but being of service to others. 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,160 You know, and more importantly, we've raised a good amount of 39 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,720 money for our charity partners on this, the Gary Sinise 40 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Foundation and Hope for the Warriors, which are two of the 41 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,840 highest rated veteran focused charities in the country. 42 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,040 I love it. I love it. 43 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,440 I'm I'm not a veteran. Are you a veteran? 44 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,520 No, it's so I was at the Naval Academy for a year, but I don't 45 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,120 claim to be a veteran in in any way. 46 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,440 It's funny because I'm like I said, I'm not a veteran either, 47 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,120 but I've got some friends that they hosted or they host the 50 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,160 mile March every year to raise money for homeless vets. 49 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,600 And we do A50 mile March from Lincoln to Omaha, NE through the 50 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,440 night, last 22 hours to kind of represent 22 vets to take their 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,200 lives daily. And like we raise a ton of money 52 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,440 for that. And again, I'm not a vet, but 53 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,080 like when I crossed that line and you've got hundreds of 54 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,520 people there that have served in the military there. 55 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,520 They know people that are their families there. 56 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,920 It's like, man, it's an emotional experience. 57 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,920 No, it is, man. And look, it's, you know, I've 58 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:35,360 had a chance to, to read about you and all the great stuff that 59 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,560 that you've done in your life. But it's, it's, you know, you've 60 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,240 seen it. It's so important to get out of 61 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,520 our head, not to be solely in our heads, but to get down into 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,560 our bodies and in to move freely between the two because that, 63 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:48,960 that's how we operate at our best. 64 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,560 And when you're doing these types of things, you know, those 65 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,640 kinds of activities, it really helps pull you down into your 66 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,640 body. So you, you just get to 67 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,280 experience things on a different level. 68 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,720 And also it allows you to connect with people on a, on a 69 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,160 deeper level. So it's wonderful you've got a 70 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,760 chance to do that. Yeah, 100%, man. 71 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,840 There's like there's a beautiful thing that happens when you're 72 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,160 suffering alongside others for A cause bigger than yourself. 73 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Look, I couldn't have said that any better. 74 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,320 That was you said that perfectly. 75 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,680 Well, well, give me some back story man. 76 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,120 What got you interested in this? I mean, you talked about living 77 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,320 life with purpose. Like a lot of people have no 78 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,240 clue what their purpose is. They don't know how to find it. 79 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,080 So how did how did all that come to be for you? 80 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,080 What was your origin story? Well, look, that that was me for 81 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,320 a long time is, you know, in a nutshell. 82 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,960 And we can delve into any portions of this, you know, 83 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,840 deeper that you want to. But, and, you know, basically 84 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:41,760 when I was 30, about 38 years old, back in 2017, is I'd 85 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,080 reached a certain level of success professionally. 86 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,040 And I was, I was living a comfortable life and, you know, 87 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,280 in the Hollywood Hills and had, you know, cars and motorcycles 88 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,160 and could, you know, get what I wanted with, you know, buy what 89 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,680 I wanted within reason, all that kind of stuff. 90 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,040 And, and I'd worked my butt off, you know, for years. 91 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,920 And you for, you know, long time and investment banking, working 92 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,320 80 to 100 hours a week. And, and, you know, from the 93 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,720 outside, I think I had a life that that people thought, you 94 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,480 know, you would want to have, but on the inside is I was just 95 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,400 basically dead. Is I was just disconnected from 96 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,040 myself, disconnected from others. 97 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,000 I struggled to feel any real gamut of emotions, positive 98 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,839 emotions. So I could feel, you know, 99 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,800 anger, frustration and, and, you know, confusion, but I couldn't 100 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,320 feel joy and contentment and connection. 101 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,040 And, you know, I had a hard I had a very hard time receiving 102 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,480 love and and myself worth was based on performance, you know, 103 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,360 those kinds of things. And at that, at that time and 104 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,120 again, I think a lot of people can relate to that. 105 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,400 There's nothing unique about, you know, my my struggle in that 106 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,280 sense. But that same time is I broke up 107 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:45,240 with a serious girlfriend. My mother passed away and I just 108 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,800 reached kind of that inflection point where I was either ready 109 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,360 to, you know, you know, potentially kill myself or to go 110 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,440 to buy back into life and start living in a, in a better way. 111 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,280 And I traveled to Nepal, spent three weeks hiking alone around 112 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:03,360 the Mount Everest region and on that trip, and I had no previous 113 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,960 experience with that whatsoever. If it, if I couldn't even told 114 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,880 you where Everest was on a map #1 And secondly, if someone said 115 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,480 let's go climb a mountain or go trek around or whatever, I'm 116 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,440 like, you're an idiot. That sounds terrible. 117 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,600 I have no desire to even talk about it, let alone do it. 118 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,560 But for some reason, something called to me and, and said, 119 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,960 that's where you need to go. And I was there and I had a 120 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,480 breakdown and a breakthrough. And on that trip I just, you 121 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,360 know, I was, I, I finally, I started to understand the, the 122 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,880 meaning of strength and surrender and what it is to 123 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,480 surrender and, and how that can benefit in our lives if we 124 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,800 incorporate it properly at the, at the right times. 125 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,960 And something spoke to me on that trip and said, listen, 126 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,840 you're in, you're, you're hurting. 127 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,040 The reason you're hurting is because you're not living with 128 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,760 any sense of purpose. And your life is only about you. 129 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,400 And in that moment, my life changed forever. 130 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 And over the next couple years, I began to came up, come up with 131 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,760 the idea of Dawson's Peak Foundation, you know, starting 132 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,640 to charity and, and trying to live a life of greater purpose. 133 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,800 And I came to realize that that my purpose in life is to help 134 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,560 others avoid that place where I was lost for so many decades. 135 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,040 You know, I, I know it is to be lost alone in the darkness, to 136 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,400 be confused and isolated and, and scared all the time and 137 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,880 angry all the time and, and all that. 138 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,560 And it's a horrible place to be. And I want to try to help 139 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,960 people, you know, find, develop, discover and offer their their 140 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,840 purpose to the world and avoid, you know, what I went through 141 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,280 for so many decades all alone. So, you know, in a nutshell, 142 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,120 that's kind of, you know, getting from where we were to 143 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,720 where we are today. I love it, man. 144 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,640 I definitely want to dive into the surrendering because I think 145 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,640 that's super, super important. I want to talk about the 146 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,040 breakthrough and the breakdown. But before we get there, like 147 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 when you when you were, you know, alluding to your earlier 148 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,280 life finding success in career banking, commercial banking 149 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:48,840 rather, and you having all the the, you know, frills that 150 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,680 people aspire to. I thought there's a lot of 151 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,440 people that have that and they're completely unhappy, but 152 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,160 they don't voice that unhappiness because for whatever 153 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,720 reason, lots of different reasons, but a lot of people 154 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,920 that are not there and they look at that and they, they see these 155 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,880 people that are masquerading around as if they are on top of 156 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,320 the world and are truly fulfilled. 157 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,920 So they aspire to emulate that in some form or fashion. 158 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,120 They try to acquire the things that have this materialistic 159 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,000 approach. They think that money buys them 160 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,720 happiness to some extent or another. 161 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,280 So could you kind of just break that down like what you felt in 162 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,800 that setting? Because when people aspire to 163 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,520 get to that setting, but they don't even know what it is 164 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,880 that's driving that internal motivation. 165 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,720 If you don't have like some sense of fulfilment, then no 166 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,960 thing in the world that you can purchase is going to bring it to 167 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,480 you. No, I, I think you said that 168 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,840 very well. And I've, I've been on both ends 169 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,240 of the ends of the spectrum in the sense that I, I've, and I've 170 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,160 been where I've had, you know, negative money in my bank 171 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,480 account And it hanging over my, my office desk is a statement I 172 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,720 received, you know, 20 something years ago from the bank where I 173 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,720 went and bought like a pack of peanuts or something. 174 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,160 And it sent my account negative and they charged me, you know, 175 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,480 whatever 10 bucks I literally had minus, you know, $10 to my 176 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,720 name, to being in a place where I was comfortable and and within 177 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,520 reason could have what I wanted, you know, could have what I 178 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,280 want. And having been in those two 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,560 positions is I can tell you definitively, just because you 180 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:21,000 have money or means or resources or assets does not guarantee 181 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,320 that you're going to be in a better place psychologically, 182 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,800 emotionally, spiritually, anything like that. 183 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,600 And to your point is, is far too often, especially today with the 184 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,159 proliferation of social media and such a enormous 185 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:38,120 concentration on consumerism and capitalism and, and all this 186 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,720 kind of stuff and, and just kind of trying to get what's next and 187 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,960 trying to do more. It's always about more these 188 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,400 days. It's say more to listen to more, 189 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,400 watch more, buy more, do more. All these things is normally 190 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,520 that's the road to to isolation and despair and discontentment. 191 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,720 And with what the surrender is is we've we've got to find ways 192 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,880 of reconnecting with ourselves and really that the basis of 193 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,880 surrender. And this is all in the in the 194 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,680 new book that we discussed. We're getting on my new book 195 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:09,360 strength and surrender that just launched on January 7th is 196 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:14,040 surrender is not giving up and going along and just giving in. 197 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,160 Surrender is finding new, more beneficial ways of meeting our 198 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,400 needs. And that's something that just 199 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,200 really it, it can be very confusing. 200 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,920 It can be very intimidating, can be very scary, but it's the, the 201 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,800 more I've been able to, to kind of lay the arms down and to stop 202 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,240 fighting everything and to stop trying to just fill my life up 203 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,520 with more stuff to where I now try to simplify my life. 204 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:39,040 And I try to simplify my actions and my thoughts and, and all 205 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,000 these things. And just really let, let these 206 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,600 fears and concerns and hesitations and trepidations to 207 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,160 flow through me. You know, to flow into me. 208 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,360 But more importantly, to release them effectively where I don't 209 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,280 allow them to move me as much and I don't enable them to take 210 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,920 root within me and sit there for years and years and years like I 211 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,720 did before it. It's a very challenging thing to 212 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,880 do, but the more that we're all able to effectively do it, I can 213 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,760 just guarantee you the better you're going to feel. 214 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,120 Was there a a specific moment when you were out hiking? 215 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,120 Where like before you recognize the need to surrender, where you 216 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,160 were still holding on to everything so tightly and 217 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,040 recognize that what you were doing was not sustainable, not 218 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,480 effective. Like what was the the moment? 219 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,640 What? Or was there even an acute aha 220 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,080 moment? Oh, there was 100% and it it's a 221 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,200 longer story. So I'll, I'll really kind of 222 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,080 pair it down and we can go, we can delve into a deeper if you 223 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,240 want to. But I was in this tiny village 224 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,360 called Tengboche, which is about four days walk from Lucala, 225 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,600 which is the gateway airport into Everest. 226 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,400 And I had a chance to join a Buddhist service there at the 227 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,120 largest Buddhist monastery in the area. 228 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,920 And I'm talking only about 30 people live in this village. 229 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,920 You know, you walk in, you walk out, there's no roads. 230 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:58,480 And for about an hour is I was sitting alone in a monastery in 231 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,560 a room full of chanting monks. And during that time I was just 232 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,160 it just enveloped in these waves of energy that were so intense 233 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,080 that it was literally difficult to breathe at points. 234 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,960 It, it just, it was just hitting me with such energy or such 235 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,560 intensity rather. And after that, after that 236 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:20,600 service is I was walking back across this village and I 237 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,960 stopped and leaned against a stupa, which is a small 238 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,560 religious temple. And I'm looking right at Mount 239 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:27,960 Everest. And Everest is still like four 240 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,640 days away, but she's so large, you can clearly see her. 241 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,640 And you know, the, it's maybe about 7:00 in the morning and 242 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,280 the sun's rising, you know, behind, behind Everest and the 243 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,960 clouds are kind of partying and, and the sun's shooting down to 244 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,000 the Cumbu Valley. And it's, it's, it's picturesque 245 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,360 as you can possibly imagine any scene anywhere in the world. 246 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,840 And I'm just trying to take it in and out of nowhere, I just 247 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,400 start bawling like a child, like uncontrollable bawling. 248 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,640 And I roll over to my left side, onto my left side, and I'm in 249 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,640 the fetal position in the dirt, which is spit and snot going 250 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,440 everywhere into time. I'm 242 lbs. 251 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,240 I've got a beard nearly down to my chest. 252 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,640 And I was in, I don't think I've ever been in such emotional and 253 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,160 physical pain like I was in such a tight ball. 254 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,560 It was excruciating emotionally and physically. 255 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,040 And for the first time in my life, it, my instinct wasn't to 256 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,080 fight. But something inside of me told 257 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,040 me, whatever this is, you need to experience this. 258 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,600 So don't try to fight it. Don't try to rationalize it. 259 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Don't try to understand it. Don't try to justify it. 260 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,000 Don't try to do anything. Just shut up and take this. 261 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,400 And that lasted for maybe about 10-15 minutes. 262 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,920 And I then I stood up and I'm like, what the what the hell is 263 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,720 that? Am I losing my mind or like, 264 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,640 what's going on? And I walked into a small tea 265 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,640 house where I was staying and the owner brought me a bowl of 266 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,240 oatmeal for breakfast. I go take a first, my first bite 267 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,560 and I lose it again. And now there's probably 10 268 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:00,560 people around me. I'm embarrassed, so I'm covering 269 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:04,280 my face and I'm just crying uncontrollably in this bowl of 270 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,280 oatmeal. And I cried so long and so hard. 271 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,640 I watched my tears fill up the bowl on top of that oatmeal. 272 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,480 I'm we're talking volume crying here. 273 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,040 And when I raised my head, the 10/10/12 other people in the 274 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,000 room had just cleared the room. Like I think they thought I was 275 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,400 going crazy at that point, you know, and I looked up into the 276 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,760 back, the back right corner of the room and something spoke to 277 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,200 me And to different people, it'll be different things. 278 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,480 You can call it God, an energy field, the universe, a 279 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,240 collective unconscious, whatever it is. 280 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,240 And it said two things to me. And it's what I mentioned 281 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,800 earlier. It said you're not living with a 282 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,440 sense of purpose and your life is only about you. 283 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,960 And the the key is when I heard it, I didn't hear it with my 284 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,120 ears. I didn't hear it like someone 285 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,720 was standing next to me is I heard it with my heart. 286 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,760 I heard it with my body. I heard it with every fiber and 287 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,080 cell, you know, I heard it with every version of myself that 288 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,560 I've ever been or could possibly ever be like it. 289 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,720 It, it, it, it permeated me in a way that nothing had ever had, 290 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,680 you know, before that time. And so that really in that 291 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:10,880 moment, my life changed forever and I knew it. 292 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,080 And for the first time my life, I really understood the power 293 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,240 and magnitude of every single second where where our lives can 294 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,960 change forever. We'll never go back to being the 295 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,160 same, positive or negative. And that's why it's so important 296 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,720 not to waste our time and our energy thinking, oh, this is 297 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,320 just whatever it is, you know, fill in the blank. 298 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,760 Because we never know when our lives will change for good or 299 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,440 bad at any given second. What do you think it was I spoke 300 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,040 to you? That's a, you know what? 301 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,120 That's a great question. And I've done more interviews 302 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,240 than I can count lately and no one has ever asked that 303 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,840 question. And I love that you asked that 304 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:54,920 question is I think it was me is I think I was finally able to 305 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:00,320 connect with myself in a way that had been lost very early on 306 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,160 in childhood for a variety of reasons. 307 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,200 And a reason I say that is so often when we, when we feel 308 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,200 confused and lost and isolated and you know, and all these 309 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,040 things, we have a habit of turning outward for the answers. 310 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,440 And sometimes that's certainly a, a beneficial thing to do 311 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,480 because it's important to bring in other resources or other 312 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,640 people to get to get different knowledge or perspective or help 313 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,440 or whatever. But I think more times than not, 314 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,000 we have the answers we're looking for deep inside of us, 315 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:34,520 but we've lost the ability to to hear ourselves, to connect with 316 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,120 ourselves. So I think I was probably 317 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,200 reconnecting with myself and was finally able to do that on on a 318 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,520 level that I was looking for for so long unknowingly. 319 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,960 What, what did you do after that? 320 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Like what was the next thing you did after that moment? 321 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,920 Like what did the trajectory change and shift to? 322 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,680 So that I think that's a fantastic question because at 323 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,440 that point I felt like I, I kind of started to discover my path. 324 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,880 And but when you hear about people get on the path, the next 325 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,840 assumption is that the rest of the journey is just care bears 326 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,400 and gum drops and rainbows and butterflies. 327 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,360 And it's just, you know, you're on easy street, which for which 328 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,720 I've discovered is, is very much not the answer or not, not the 329 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,400 case rather. So after that, over the rest of 330 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,880 the trip, the trip became less about being out there climbing, 331 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,080 about making it to base camp, about making it to different 332 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,760 regions I was going to. And it's more about self 333 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,520 discovery and kind of working to connect with myself deeper and 334 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,920 deeper. And over the next couple years 335 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,880 is I, I continue to travel around as I was able to with, 336 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,560 with work and I climbed 3 of the highest peaks on, on the seven 337 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,200 continents and, and began to really fall in love with 338 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,240 adventure and endurance training and, and mountain climbing. 339 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,200 And it was on those trips I, I figured out, you know, maybe 340 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,400 there's a way I can combine my new passion for adventure in a 341 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,400 way to help people, you know, to make my life about more than 342 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,760 myself. So I got with a good friend of 343 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,920 mine, Jay Jablonski, and he and I came up with the, the, the 344 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,280 roots of Dawson's Peak Foundation, which is a 5O1C3 345 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,520 that we operate today. And then we, we, you know, our 346 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,480 mission is to inspire the discovery pursuit of individual 347 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,240 purpose and to get people to understand that our lives are 348 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,200 about more than ourselves. So we need to apply, you know, 349 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,880 we need to shift from being self-centered to service 350 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,240 centered. And the way that we do that is 351 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,480 we create large, global, large scale global expeditions where 352 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,560 we sponsor athletes, where viewers can draw parallels 353 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,680 between themselves or athletes and to say, hey, if this person 354 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,720 is doing whatever it is, climbing a mountain, rowing an 355 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,400 ocean, crossing a desert, you know, flying a plane, whatever, 356 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,760 I can do something comparable in my life. 357 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,920 And with our new, with our first project, it's called 7 for 358 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,560 Soldiers, where I've set over the past couple years, I've set, 359 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,840 I've set six world records and a variety of, of expedition and 360 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,520 adventure related activities. And like I said, we've raised a 361 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,640 bunch of money for, for Gary Sneeze Foundation hope for the 362 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,560 warriors. And so we're just kind of on the 363 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,680 cusp of, of just continuing to, to build the organization. 364 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 But in in a nutshell, that was kind of the the couple years 365 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,920 following that. I love it man. 366 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,920 So you you bringing these people in to do some form of expedition 367 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,920 for their own sense of discovery. 368 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,960 No, so the the way that it works is, is that we have athletes 369 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,160 that we work with. So this first project 7 for 370 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,200 Soldiers is I'm the athlete, I'm kind of the Guinea pig to see, 371 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,400 you know, what we want to do, what works, what doesn't work. 372 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,920 And then and Seven for Soldiers is going to be completed 373 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,800 hopefully this April when I go to the North Pole and ski to the 374 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,000 North Pole. And then subsequently, when we 375 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,160 work with with, you know, going forward is we'll have different 376 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,680 people that, that we'll bring in. 377 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,800 But more importantly, as viewers can watch those athletes and 378 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,760 say, you know, then draw parallels between themselves and 379 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,000 the athlete to say, Hey, if this person is doing this, I can do 380 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,760 something comparable in my life. But also we're looking at 381 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,640 creating different, different learning programs, different 382 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,760 educational programs that we can present to, you know, schools 383 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,280 and civic groups and different organizations to help people 384 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,880 understand, you know, what our lives are about. 385 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,560 How do you identify your purpose? 386 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,120 How do you live with a greater sense of purpose? 387 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 How do you apply that sense of purpose to elevate others? 388 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,960 You know, things like that? I love it, man. 389 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,200 I love it. What do you what? 390 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,120 What were the six world records? I'm curious. 391 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,200 Yeah. So it's they, it's, it's kind of 392 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,880 how it's kind of how you compile different activities. 393 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,200 So from the 12 originally, we're trying to get everything done in 394 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:31,520 12 months, and that was going to go from May 2021 to May 2022 or 395 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,600 April 2022. And that included climbing the 396 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,680 highest peak on each continent, skiing to the North Pole and the 397 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,320 South Pole. And those things together is 398 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,080 known as the Explorer's Grand Slam. 399 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,040 And then skiing, I'm sorry, trekking solo and unsupported 400 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,360 across the Mojave Desert and Death Valley, become the first 401 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,320 person ever do that, rowing a boat across the Atlantic Ocean 402 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,080 and then flying a plane around the world. 403 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,400 So we were able to accomplish everything that we set out to, 404 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,640 except for the North Pole, which got cancelled because of COVID. 405 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:03,920 And in the plane which got cancelled because of COVID and 406 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,280 it's kind of like how you put all those different activities 407 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,720 together will get you to the six world records like for. 408 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,080 So it's just kind of like how you combine the different 409 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,880 activities. What's been the hardest one for 410 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:19,960 you thus far? It's in terms of a pure physical 411 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,920 challenge. It's actually an event that we 412 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,000 added late where in 2021 I became the first person to go 413 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,600 solo and unsupported across the Mojave Desert in Death Valley. 414 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,320 I did 213 miles in six days and 23 hours. 415 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,560 But then earlier this year as I went back and did another 416 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,080 crossing in the Mojave where it was just under 330 miles in 417 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,760 seven day, just over 7 days and eight hours. 418 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,720 And I became the 1st or the fastest person to ever cross the 419 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,160 Mojave on foot. That and that was also so 420 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,120 unsupported. But on that particular, you 421 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:58,360 know, track is I was moving for 20 hours a day, sleeping for 422 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,560 less than three, you know, and it was 90 plus degrees, you 423 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,560 know, out there got over, you know, 100 points and travelled, 424 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,560 like I said, 329 and, and about 1/2 miles in just over 7 days. 425 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,640 So that that was probably the most physically challenging 426 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,320 event. And you're, I mean you're doing 427 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,920 this unsupported, so you've got no support van stocking you. 428 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:18,680 No, nothing. Yeah. 429 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,440 So unsupported. Yeah, Yeah, So unsupported. 430 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,440 The two desert crossings have been so unsupported. 431 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,760 So is I carry everything that that I need from, you know, the 432 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,760 water, the food, the, you know, medical, absolutely everything. 433 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,560 And I do have, you know, I do have people on standby in Los 434 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,880 Angeles. But in order to get this last 435 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,720 one, the 330 mile crossing is I, I failed my first two attempts 436 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,560 at it. The first time I made it 152 437 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,560 miles and I developed a real bad bacterial infection in my leg 438 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,520 and had to call the team to come pick me up. 439 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,800 And that took, you know, 5-5 or six hours. 440 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520 So I'm laying out in the desert with a within, you know, bad 441 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,160 infection in my leg. And in the second time I made it 442 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,000 152 miles coincidentally, and my cart broke and had to wait 443 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,560 another six hours to come get picked up. 444 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,880 So there there is some support, you know, out there, but it's, 445 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,600 you know, a long time away. But it when I'm out there, I'm 446 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,680 I'm totally alone. So when you're doing that, what, 447 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,000 what are the breaking points like? 448 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,960 What, what starts giving out for you first? 449 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,920 Is it like your feet? Is it like your knees? 450 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,200 Is it just like what? What's going down? 451 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,640 That's like the biggest pain points. 452 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,240 Yeah. You know, from a physical 453 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,320 perspective it is the lower body it's in to your point is 454 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,160 primarily, you know, kind of work your way out from feet to 455 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,920 ankles into the hips. And the reason being is that 456 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,160 most of my training focuses on more vertical type terrain. 457 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,840 So I'm carrying packs up mountains. 458 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,160 And so I'm not, I'm not a big distance guy. 459 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,720 And you go from from not doing, you know, I'll go out and I'll 460 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,720 run, you know, whatever, 8 miles to 20 miles, something like that 461 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,080 in a train and run. But there's a big difference 462 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,320 between going 10 miles and going 300 miles. 463 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,480 You're going 10 miles a day and going 55 miles a day. 464 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,800 So those are the things that that kind of breakdown first, or 465 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,880 are the feet, ankles, knees, hips. 466 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,480 And then I've had, you know, 5-4 or five shoulder surgeries now. 467 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,280 So when I'm when I'm going is it's hard to keep my feeling in 468 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,480 my hands, my shoulders go numb, have like nerve impingements, 469 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,720 you know, things like that. But it's interesting. 470 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Yeah, we talked about a little bit earlier about what are the 471 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480 hardest elements and, and look, I know you've done, you know, a 472 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,760 lot of challenging things as well. 473 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,520 The the competition and training that that you've done is, you 474 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,000 know, the physical elements are one thing, but the hardest thing 475 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,040 of all this stuff is just staying in it mentally. 476 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,160 For sure. Is, you know, when you get hurt 477 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320 and you're, you're there and you're alone and, and you're 478 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,640 isolated and you're tired and you're like, why the hell am I 479 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,520 doing this? I could be doing other things or 480 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,880 you know, whatever it is or you're not in a good mood or you 481 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,560 feel sick or you feel whatever it is is just staying locked in 482 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,360 mentally and understanding, you know, why you're doing what 483 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,960 you're doing, why it's important to you and why it's about more 484 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520 than yourself and using that motivation or to kind of push 485 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,000 through those hard times. So what what's your style up 486 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,920 there meant? Like you listening to podcasts, 487 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,240 audiobooks, you totally just no sound, no distractions. 488 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,920 Like how do you, how do you try? And yeah. 489 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,440 No, is I'm totally isolated. So on any of my expeditions, you 490 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,720 know, the desert expeditions, I never take any music. 491 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800 No, nothing with me when I train in the mountains, no music, no 492 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,880 nothing. The the road across the across 493 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,920 the Atlantic Ocean was no music, no nothing. 494 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,040 So it's, it's I enjoy being, I enjoy the isolation and and the 495 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,360 challenge of the isolation. So with that is I want to, I 496 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,720 want to experience that to its absolute fullest, because the 497 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,520 the point of doing this stuff is not just to get from one side to 498 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440 the other is I want, I want to grow in the process. 499 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,840 I want to challenge myself. I want to come out with a better 500 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,640 understanding of myself. And it's amazing is how our 501 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,120 minds work. Because when you first start 502 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,160 something like this, your mind's in one place and then a day 503 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,240 later it's in another place. And two days later it's in 504 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,480 another place and a week later you're in another place. 505 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,960 And I, I want to give my mind the space to, to make that 506 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,280 transition. And I find that being as 507 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,680 isolated as I can, you know, helps in that pursuit. 508 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,680 I love it, man. I need to get you hooked up with 509 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,240 some freaking keto bricks, man. You're taking seven days across 510 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,160 the desert like you need some keto bricks, lightweight 1000 511 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,480 calorie nutrition bars or something. 512 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,400 Oh dude, that those sound perfect, Yeah. 513 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,920 What? What do you do for food? 514 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,880 I'm curious. Well, on this, on this last one, 515 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,240 it depends on the expedition, but for example, is most 516 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,240 expeditions, the the primary source of food are freeze dried 517 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,720 meals, you know, because, you know, we're not, we're not 518 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,720 starting campfires and you know, stuff like that. 519 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,400 But it will have, you know, little jet bowls or, or 520 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,040 honestly, as I've been doing this so long now that I don't 521 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,640 even boil the food or bowl. The water is I just put the food 522 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840 in, put some water in it a couple hours before I want it 523 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,960 and just eat, eat cold meals just because it's easier and and 524 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,840 I'm lazy and I got enough stuff to do. 525 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,600 I don't want to carry, Plus I don't want to carry a jet bowl 526 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,920 and fuel and all that kind of stuff. 527 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960 So freeze dried meals are, are the primary source. 528 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,440 But then there's is just a lot of kind of cheap packaged junk 529 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,360 food on top of that. And reason being is that you're 530 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:05,000 not carrying fresh vegetable vegetables, you're not carrying 531 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,280 fresh fruits, you know, things like that for a variety of 532 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,240 reasons. And you want something that's 533 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,040 very, very calorie dense and, you know, full of sugar, full of 534 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,680 fat. You don't need as much protein. 535 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,120 Like I, I, I take my protein maybe about 150 grams, where 536 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,600 normally I'm, I'm maybe around 220-5250 a day 'cause you, you 537 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,240 just, you really need the, the, the, the, the carbohydrates and 538 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,000 the fat and you want more like simple sugars and then you throw 539 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,840 the fat on top of that. But you know, a lot of times 540 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,760 also, it's just, you want stuff that you can just get down. 541 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,480 Where if you're out there, you'd rather have a, a Snickers bar 542 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,120 than something that, that doesn't taste as good because 543 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,600 you're already not in a great place, you know, emotionally. 544 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,080 So you want something that can maybe lift your spirits a little 545 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,880 bit higher? Yeah, I'm gonna hook you up for 546 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,360 sure, man. Put some bricks in your next 547 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,600 pack and you'll be. Now look, I would, I would love 548 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,600 to try them as I'm always looking for good things. 549 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080 And look, as you know, with again, all the stuff that you do 550 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,520 is ideally you want to put the best quality fuel in your body 551 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,120 that you possibly can. And if you can avoid putting 552 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,280 just pure junk in there, you know you want to. 553 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,720 So I'm I'm always looking for new options A. 100% I love the 554 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,080 surrender component, the man. Cuz like when I was in my last 555 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,120 prep 2023 rated 5 shows, I got down to 3.9% body fat and I'm 556 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,160 like super depleted there at the end. 557 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,840 And I was like I didn't ever get crazy emotional that prep like I 558 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960 had in years prior. I was just very stoic throughout 559 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680 the whole ordeal. But there was this moment I 560 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,920 vividly remember I was, I was laying down at some Airbnbs, you 561 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,120 know, bedroom that we had booked out for a competition. 562 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,600 And I was just sitting there like praying. 563 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560 And I was doing things that I'd never been able to do before. 564 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,840 And it just came easier than it ever had before. 565 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,680 And I was, it was because I had totally surrendered, like I'm a 566 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,680 very type A just driven, you know, balls to all kind of guy. 567 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,680 And that has worked well for me in a lot of areas. 568 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,800 But there comes a point when, like, to get to the next tier, 569 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,440 the next level up in life, it's like if you're wound so tight, 570 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 holding on to everything and trying to control everything, 571 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,920 you're only going to, you know, dismantle your progress. 572 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,800 Like if you actually surrender that and then just push through 573 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,040 it, you're going to be able to reach a much higher high. 574 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,800 There's look again, you said, you said that perfectly is that 575 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,680 you can't fight everything. And I've spent my entire life 576 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,560 fighting everything. And to your point is that can 577 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,040 only take you so far. And you know, there's, there's 578 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,760 that old expression that if, if the only tool you have is a 579 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,160 hammer, everything looks like a nail. 580 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,920 Is that as we grow, you know, our, I think we're, I think 581 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080 we're only here for for two reasons. 582 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,560 One is to live with a sense of purpose and then apply that 583 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,360 purpose to elevate others. Is, is, is one. 584 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,040 And then secondly is to grow. And life is about growth period. 585 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,400 And the way that we grow is by expanding our, our tools, you 586 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,080 know, and understanding what we can apply in different 587 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800 situations. And so I think exactly what you 588 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640 talked about is, is a great example of of a type of 589 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520 surrender and the benefits that that we can achieve from it. 590 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Totally. Would you work with people that 591 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,360 are looking to find their purpose? 592 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,280 Do you? Do you do you feel like as a 593 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240 society we are trending in the right direction, the wrong 594 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,960 direction as a whole? Like do you feel like there are 595 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,040 more people having discovered that sense of self and purpose 596 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,080 and selflessness? Or do you feel like the majority 597 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,920 is kind of trending the opposite direction? 598 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,480 It's funny if you ask that I was talking about that yesterday 599 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,320 with a, with a very good friend of mine, because, you know, 600 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,920 right now is, is, as we mentioned before, we got on as 601 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,480 I'm in Los Angeles, we've got the fires going on and, and my 602 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,240 girlfriend and I were evacuated the other day from her place 603 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,880 where it got within, you know, a block of us. 604 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040 And so that there's a lot of, you know, this kind of 605 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560 discussions going on right now. And, and it's great to see that 606 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,400 people are stepping up and, and helping each other and, and 607 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,440 being there for each other. So it's very wonderful to see. 608 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,320 But that being said, I think in a, in a greater general sense is 609 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,080 I am, and this is not everything. 610 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,320 This is just in a general sense is I'm very discouraged from 611 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,240 what I'm seeing is that I think more and more, especially with 612 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,600 the proliferation of social media and a lot of these, a lot 613 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,480 of these social programs that are, that are prioritizing sex 614 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,200 and race and gender and all this kind of stuff is we're creating 615 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,680 more division than we are unity. And it's is which it, it 616 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,760 absolutely breaks my heart. Is it it, it really does. 617 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,880 I get pretty, you know, pretty emotional about it and just, I 618 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640 feel like more times than not now people are, are just saying, 619 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,840 you know, what can I do to further myself in my life 620 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880 because I'm the most important thing in my world. 621 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,800 And it's just I'm telling you that's that's just the wrong way 622 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,160 to look at it is that we're all we all matter, but none of us 623 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,080 are important. Like you're not important. 624 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,720 I'm not important. My father's not important, you 625 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,680 know, but we all matter. And I think that more far too 626 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,560 often we are becoming the center of our lives and we think that 627 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,080 we're important or we, we, we feel the need to be important, 628 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,240 which is taking us down the wrong Rd. 629 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,440 Because that's what leads to what we talked about earlier 630 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,520 about wanting to get more followers, more likes, buy more 631 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,880 this, buy a bigger house, get this, get this, and just doing 632 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,080 more and filling our lives up with more. 633 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,840 And I think that some people are, are starting to kind of see 634 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,040 that and, and diverting to a different path. 635 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,080 And I am hearing more discussions about, about purpose 636 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,920 and contribution, which I think is wonderful. 637 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,280 But in, in a general sense, I think right now we're, we're not 638 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,440 in a good place and it it's unfortunate to see. 639 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,360 Yeah, it's interesting, man. I think about this a lot. 640 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800 Like, I feel like if you, you know, rewind the clock 100 641 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,760 years, there obviously wasn't the social media, so there 642 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,480 wasn't as much of this comparison game taking place 643 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,040 because there just simply wasn't that reach that we have today. 644 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,120 But I feel like 100 years ago, people had a much better pulse 645 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960 on their purpose because their purpose was to simply provide 646 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,600 for their family, give them a safe place to to live to, you 647 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,520 know, raise their kids, be better than they were. 648 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,000 And that fight in and of itself wasn't easy. 649 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,880 And that created purpose, you know, just by default. 650 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Whereas now it's, I mean, you definitely still have people 651 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,200 that are, that are hurting, people that are challenged. 652 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,000 I mean, there's lots, lots of obstacles now. 653 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,520 But like it's, it's become much easier to just get by, to find a 654 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,000 way for food, find a way for shelter. 655 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,760 Like it's become easier to meet the bare necessities. 656 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,360 And a lot of people take that easy path. 657 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,960 And if they check those boxes, like, OK, they got food, water, 658 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,840 shelter, then I'm succeeding in a sense. 659 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,440 But like, because they're taking that easier path and they're not 660 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960 digging deeper, and because it's easier to do that basic thing, 661 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,800 you've stripped people of just the default purpose that comes 662 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,120 with, you know, living life. Well, I think there's we need, I 663 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,640 think we need to flip this around while I start 664 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,320 interviewing you because I feel like you're giving better 665 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,760 answers than I am right now, No. No, no, not at all, man. 666 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,960 I look, I think you, I think you said that again. 667 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920 I think, I think you said that so well, and I agree with it, is 668 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,160 that unfortunately, like for, for example, the term hack, I 669 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,480 can't stand the word hack on a on a variety of levels. 670 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,800 And it's everybody's looking for or most people are looking for 671 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520 the easiest ways to do fill in the blank. 672 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,680 And I firmly believe we were all made to do hard things, not just 673 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,240 me, not just you. I mean, everybody on this planet 674 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,080 I think is made to do hard things. 675 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,480 I think we'd love to do hard things. 676 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080 And I've never in my life met anybody that has done something 677 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,440 hard, that has gotten through it, that has sat back and said I 678 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,680 really wish I didn't do that. I wish I didn't accomplish that. 679 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,960 I wish I hadn't pushed myself. I wish I hadn't grown. 680 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,320 I wish I hadn't developed. I wish I had just found the 681 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,600 couch and eaten some Cheetos and watch cartoons. 682 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,680 I've never heard anybody say that. 683 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640 And you know, to your point is we, we are at a, at a weird 684 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,680 transition point in, in the lives of or in, in human 685 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,040 history. So I'm trying to grant some 686 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,159 grace with that where, you know, 100 years ago, you know, purpose 687 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,480 was survival or 200 years ago or 500 years ago, purpose was 688 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,360 survival. You know, and now, because to 689 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,719 your point is, we have that just handed to us on a, on a 690 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,520 frequent, such a frequent basis is we don't understand now what 691 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,760 to do with our time, what do with ourselves, what do with our 692 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,480 application of our, you know, abilities and things like that. 693 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,040 And I think that's where a lot of people do feel lost. 694 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,760 But you know, when you're feeling lost, the answer is not 695 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,000 speeding up and doing more and put more in your life. 696 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,639 The answer is slowing down, taking stuff out of your life, 697 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,239 looking for more quality rather than quantity and looking to 698 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,840 connect and looking to contribute, you know, those 699 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,280 types of things. And that's where that's where 700 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,280 people are getting confused because we're constantly 701 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,280 inundated by people trying to sell us products and services 702 00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,760 and, and, you know, things like that. 703 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,320 Yeah, I think we live in a day and age where like you have to 704 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,520 seek out and create some form of self-imposed hardship because it 705 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,560 doesn't come naturally in your environment anymore. 706 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,000 I mean, yeah, there's, there's hard days and easy days and 707 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,080 whatnot, but like, you have to actually go out of your way to 708 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480 seek out hardship. And it takes a special kind of 709 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,960 masochist to want to do that. But I'm definitely fitting that 710 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,040 criteria as you are as well. But like, once you do it, like 711 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,880 it just bleeds into every component of your life and 712 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520 everything benefits from it. But I feel like, you know, 713 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,560 adversity is the antidote, so to speak. 714 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,480 Like the way to cure all of this is to seek out hard things to 715 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,880 do. No, I absolutely agree with you. 716 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,080 But at the same time is I think it's immensely important to show 717 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,360 the appreciation for being in the position we are where we 718 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,840 have the opportunity to say that, you know, meaning if, if 719 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,520 we're in say, in, you know, Kiev right now, you know, parts of 720 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,600 Ukraine, parts of Russia, or we were, you know, forced labour in 721 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,440 a cobalt mine in Africa, you know, obviously we would be 722 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,560 having a, a different discussion than we are now. 723 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000 So I think for us to, to be in that position where we're, 724 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,160 we're, we're where we need and want to introduce, you know, for 725 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,120 lack of a better term, artificial hardships into our 726 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,840 lives are we're, we're unbelievably fortunate. 727 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,160 Like we are the absolute top of the food chain of anybody that's 728 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,800 ever existed, you know, on this planet throughout human history. 729 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,360 And I don't mean you and I as in particular, as particular 730 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,440 individuals. I mean just where we are right 731 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,720 now in the United States in this day and age, you know, so we're, 732 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,120 we're unbelievably fortunate. But with that is, I think it's 733 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,400 immensely important to show appreciation for that position. 734 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,480 And I think again, far too often is we're so caught up with 735 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,560 wanting more or something different or something, you 736 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,600 know, whatever is, we don't take the time to really appreciate 737 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,320 what we have in our lives. And I don't mean, you know, 738 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,600 whether it could be a car, it could be your house, it could be 739 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,480 whatever. But it can also be something as 740 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,560 simple as have the ability to see, have the ability to hear, 741 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000 have the ability to walk, to think, to talk to. 742 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,960 I mean, it's like you can take this stuff down to a granular, 743 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120 granular level. And the more appreciation that 744 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,680 we can find in our lives and we can, you know, demonstrate in 745 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,840 our lives, the the better that we're going to feel and the 746 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120 easier it is to kind of get on this path and to maintain this 747 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,840 path and, you know, and to find the path. 748 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,840 Yeah. No, 100% completely agree, man. 749 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,520 Do you do any like journaling or anything like that to, to 750 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400 actionably have like like a lot of people are big on, you know, 751 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,520 gratitude journals, things like that. 752 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,320 Do you do any of that? You know, is I, I don't journal 753 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,160 is I've given journaling, to be quite honest with you, is I've 754 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,840 given journaling a rough time over the years where I talk 755 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,960 about in the book where I absolutely loathe journaling 756 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,920 for, for a long time. And there's nothing wrong with 757 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,480 it. It's just the way that I work 758 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,560 and the way my brain works. I just, I just didn't like it. 759 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,400 But what I did find was when I, when I was on this trip to 760 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,480 Everest is I did start keeping a journal and stuff was just 761 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:59,440 pouring out of me and just heaps and volumes and journaling 762 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,760 enabled me to connect concepts and emotions and, and feelings 763 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,960 in, in a more complex way than I was when I wasn't journaling. 764 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,080 You know, we're now saying say, oh, maybe I can tie this emotion 765 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,880 to this emotion to this outcome. And because it was so 766 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,800 complicated, I, I couldn't hold on to it mentally. 767 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,840 But when I saw it, you know, visually, I was able to, to 768 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,600 great gain a better, excuse me, a better understanding. 769 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,720 So I, I think there's definitely benefits to journal, although I 770 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,680 don't do it on a daily basis. One thing that I, that I do is 771 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,160 that the very last thing before I go to bed every night is I've 772 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,720 got 4 personal questions next to my bed. 773 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,800 And I just read the questions to myself and I ask the questions, 774 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,960 you know, ask my, ask myself these questions regarding, on my 775 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,920 conduct and actions during the day. 776 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,960 And then I, I literally get on my knees to humble myself and to 777 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,360 just show appreciation for a couple minutes to whatever, you 778 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,000 know, to whatever power that you want to do it to. 779 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,760 And just to say, you know, thank you for this and for this. 780 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,080 And it's not, I don't go down just like a list in my head, but 781 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,400 I just kind of sit there. I get quiet and I humble myself 782 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,480 and I just try to sit in appreciation for all the the 783 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,760 opportunities and resources and abilities I have in my life. 784 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,880 Yeah, I love that format, man. I feel like I'm, I'd be able to 785 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,000 sustain that much more so than I would, you know, consistent 786 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,280 journaling habit. Are we Privy to those four 787 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,200 questions by chance? Yeah, so four questions. 788 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,840 The first was, was I of service to others? 789 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,040 The second is, was IA light or a leader? 790 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,400 Meaning, you know, was I, was I light in the lives of others or 791 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,680 were they able to, you know, to lead people in a, in a positive 792 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200 way? The third was, did I listen? 793 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,920 And the fourth is, did I push myself to get outside of my 794 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,480 comfort zone? I like it. 795 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,240 Yeah, I've. I've had that sitting there for 796 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:52,680 for years next to us out of the bed. 797 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,080 No, that's good man. I like that. 798 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,240 Very actionable for sure. Well, talk to me a little bit 799 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:01,840 about the the format going. I mean, I'm curious before I 800 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,680 even go there. Do you have kids by chance? 801 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,680 No, I don't. No kids? 802 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,880 You think you've ever had kids? No, it's like that's a, that's a 803 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,200 whole another topic. I was actually discussing that 804 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600 yesterday with my girlfriend. No, it's look is I've, I've 805 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,720 never had any desire to have kids, you know, personally, I 806 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,840 think they're, to be quite honest with you, I think there's 807 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,920 already too many people on this planet, you know, secondly, but 808 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,360 if I did ever want to have kids is I would rather adopt because 809 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,680 I know there's, there's a lot of kids that that need help. 810 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,920 And I think I would be, I'd be providing a better service, you 811 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,480 know, by adopting than than having more. 812 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040 No, I totally respect that man. I feel like we need, we need 813 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,560 people teaching the youth these exact same principles. 814 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,080 So that would be a a worthwhile thing for sure. 815 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,760 Yeah, maybe on down the line, but this point you don't 816 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,560 anticipate anything. Well, you got the book coming 817 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,280 out, man. You got the book. 818 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,360 I guess it's now live. So kind of breakdown the format 819 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,920 of the book. Like how do you have that 820 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,440 structured? I'm assuming kind of like 821 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,640 letting people know, you know, what their passion is, what 822 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,320 their discovery of self could potentially look like, what 823 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,280 their sense of fulfillment entails. 824 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,800 Like how does that broken down? Yeah. 825 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,960 Now, look, I appreciate, yeah, ask. 826 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,680 And so the, the book is called Strength in Surrender. 827 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,680 So Strength IN Surrender, it launched on Amazon on January 828 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,600 7th. So so we're just under a week 829 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,320 and it's already hit #1 best seller in a couple categories. 830 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,640 But more importantly than just, you know, another book in the 831 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,000 space because look, there, there's been some wonderful 832 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,040 works in this space, you know, from mountain climbing and ocean 833 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,080 rowing and, and just adventure stuff. 834 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,720 And I've read a ton of them and, and I'm not being, you know, 835 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,960 disparaging at all with about them, but I wanted to create 836 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,360 something different is I wanted to hit the the reader on a 837 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,440 visceral, emotional kind of human level and to make the work 838 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,120 about more than just me. I didn't want to have another 839 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,280 book saying, Hey, look what I did here and then look what I 840 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,960 did here. Now here's some more about me 841 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,040 than here's some more about me than, oh, here's something else 842 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,000 about me, you know, is I wanted to to to tell my story. 843 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,600 So it's a personal narrative from from early childhood 844 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,600 through and, you know, college where I had a couple, then I had 845 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,960 a couple offers to play professional football, getting 846 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,560 into investment banking, where I became a managing director with 847 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,920 a bank in LA, you know, selling companies valued between 50 848 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960 million and and 300 million. And then kind of walking away 849 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,440 from all that to a large degree and founding the charity and, 850 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,640 you know, setting multiple world records and, and this really the 851 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960 discovery of self, you know, along the way. 852 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840 So it really is a story about about redemption, about finding 853 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,560 purpose, about applying purpose, about living for others. 854 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,880 And the way that that we set it up is that I commissioned an 855 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,160 artist to to do all the artwork in the book. 856 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,200 So it's it's all, you know, unique, one off stuff that's 857 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,040 really trying to hit people on a on a on a very emotional level, 858 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,400 where we kind of open you up in a way to receive the the 859 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,280 information in a in a different capacity. 860 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,920 And then each, almost every chapter has an excerpt from my 861 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,560 personal journals of that particular expedition, which I 862 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,000 never thought would be published. 863 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,040 I never intended them to be published because they're very 864 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,880 raw. Some of them are very, you know, 865 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,360 have some pretty, you know, colorful language in it and very 866 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,800 personal things. But I thought it was important 867 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,000 to get people to understand that we're all going through the same 868 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,760 things. We're all looking for the same 869 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,920 things. We're just trying to go about it 870 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,600 in different ways and then each chapter is main. 871 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,280 Mainly each chapter is a narration. 872 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,920 Within that narration there are there are basically smaller 873 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,960 lessons that I've learned that are broken out and isolated in 874 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,840 each chapter where it kind of just breaks out into something 875 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,720 we can all apply. Then at the end of every chapter 876 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,480 there's a section called meditation, which are the main 877 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,160 pillars that I've learned. It's like the 13 like biggest 878 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,120 things I've learned incorporate on a daily basis. 879 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,400 And then finally, sections called ask yourself and apply 880 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,440 yourself, where during ask yourself is you can ask yourself 881 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,040 3 or 4 very simple, poignant questions where you can apply 882 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,400 the text to your journey. And then the apply yourself 883 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,520 section are just, you know, one or two paragraphs in each 884 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,880 chapter that are direct, actionable items where you can 885 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,160 take what you've read and instantly apply it to your life 886 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,040 and, and start something today. So I apologize, I know that's a 887 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,720 lot, but that's, you know, there's kind of a lot going on 888 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,640 with the with the work. No, no, I love them, man. 889 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,480 And so people can get that on Amazon. 890 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,480 Is it like a website that you'd prefer them to go to? 891 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,680 Yeah, the right Amazon is the easiest thing right now. 892 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,880 So the the paperback and the Kindle are both available on 893 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,440 Amazon. And then the audiobook, we just 894 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,800 finished that up and it should be available probably within the 895 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,640 next week or so. Were you the narrator? 896 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,600 Unfortunately, I was, yeah. And I, I'll be honest with you, 897 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,240 if I hear myself talk for another 10 seconds, I'm going to 898 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,600 shoot somebody. Well, let me let me ask you one 899 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,720 more question so you can hear yourself talk just one final 900 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,000 time here. This might be coming at the left 901 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,280 field for you, but I've had several people on the podcast 902 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,720 that are in the health nutrition mindset space. 903 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,520 And a lot of them talk about what you've just described, but 904 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,520 they talk about it through the the use of like psychedelics and 905 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,960 things as acting as, as a catalyst to having this 906 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,720 discovery of self surrendering, all that, all that jazz. 907 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,200 I've never gone down that rabbit hole. 908 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:09,680 I'm curious, have you do you have any thoughts on it or do 909 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,440 you just prefer to do it, you know through physical exertation 910 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,320 or how do you, how do you view that? 911 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,120 That it's a challenging question because obviously, and I think, 912 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,240 but I think it's a very poignant one because of the proliferation 913 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,200 and the popularity of a variety of psychedelics right now. 914 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,320 And you know, with my network is, is I've got friends that are 915 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,400 involved in a variety of different organizations that 916 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,320 work with, you know, veterans or, or, you know, people that 917 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,440 have have endured trauma, different things. 918 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,040 And they're looking for different tools to explore these 919 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,680 different avenues and to try to learn about themselves and to 920 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,360 connect with themselves and to get past and deal with trauma 921 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,080 and to grow and, you know, all that kind of stuff. 922 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,440 So I think that the psychedelics without question can be used 923 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,440 effectively in that regard where, you know, I've 924 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,240 experienced personally and I know people that have that have 925 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,520 tried different psychedelics that have that have come out in 926 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,080 a better place where they're able to gain a better 927 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,800 understanding, maybe release some things, surrender to A to a 928 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,360 greater degree. You know, so without question 929 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,880 that there's definitely benefits to it. 930 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,000 But to tie it back to our conversation a few minutes ago 931 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,200 is I think a lot of people are not using them in the right ways 932 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,240 with the right intentions at the right times. 933 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,760 Yeah. So for you for not you for but 934 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,600 for someone just to, you know, take out hand handful a handful 935 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,800 of mushrooms or go do some ayahuasca and somebody'd garage 936 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,600 or something like that is completely different than 937 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,960 setting intention, getting your mind right, getting your body 938 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,720 right, getting, you know, getting everything kind of 939 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:50,760 straight and going in there to do some to do some real work. 940 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,400 So I think it depends on on how you approach it. 941 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,440 But like anything else, it's a tool that, used in the right 942 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,600 way, can be effective or can be abused if not used in the 943 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,680 correct way. Yeah, no, I, I totally agree 944 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,200 with that. So if if the the drugs become 945 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,600 the quote UN quote hack that you and I both dislike, it's it's 946 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,720 it's no bueno. Exactly. 947 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,920 It's, it's, it's, it's kind of like Maslow's hierarchy of 948 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,960 needs. You know, it's that you've got 949 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,560 to have the base before you have the peak there. 950 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,920 There's a great sand and endurance training is the bigger 951 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,760 the base, the bigger the peak is. 952 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,480 You can't just start up at the top. 953 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,000 And just like, you know, a great example is with all the stuff 954 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,480 that you've done for years and years with your, you know, 955 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,760 preparation and, and training and in the bodybuilding, if you 956 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,280 know, is you don't, you got to start with your macros, you 957 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,680 know, start with, and then start building up and building up and 958 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,680 building up, building up. It's you don't just jump to the 959 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,160 very pinnacle and say, how many milligrams of this, you know, 960 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,440 should I take when it's the the very last thing you need to be 961 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,960 focused on? Yeah. 962 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,680 You know, and I think a lot of people use the psychedelics in a 963 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,600 way to kind of try to jump past these other layers where I'm 964 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,080 like with if without effectively building that foundation, you're 965 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,960 not going to get the benefits you're looking for. 966 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,280 But at the same time, those, you could argue that they could be 967 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,440 used to kind of help set a foundation, but that's a that's 968 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,800 a a more difficult argument to kind of hone. 969 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,160 Yeah, no, I agree on all fronts for sure, man. 970 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,440 So the next challenge you got is the the North Pole, correct? 971 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,560 Is that right? The North Pole, This thing has 972 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,800 eluded me for five years, is I've tried to go every year 973 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,720 since 2020. It's been it's been cancelled 974 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,240 for a variety of reasons. Last year I sat in the middle of 975 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,960 Siberia for two months in a town called Krasnoyarsk. 976 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,000 I'm sorry for two weeks in a town called Krasnoyarsk before 977 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,480 it was cancelled again. So this this April so I'm 978 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,360 heading back to Russia and trying to get to the Pole. 979 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,760 And what, what does that journey entail exactly? 980 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,080 So you're, you're trekking in what, what do you expect the 981 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,760 time frame to be like? I'm I'm curious to get some 982 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,480 pointers here. So the, the way that it works is 983 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,640 with, as I mentioned earlier, the Explorer's Grand Slam is 984 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,280 there's two different ways that you can do it. 985 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,760 And then, you know, with, with regards to North Pole to South 986 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,360 Pole, and then anytime anybody goes to North Pole, South Pole, 987 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,000 there, there's two different ways you can do it. 988 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,160 You can either do what's called the last degree where you go 989 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,520 from the, from the 89th parallel to the pole, which is 69 statute 990 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,560 miles, or you can go different, you know, different degrees 991 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,280 down. You can go from like the 80, you 992 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,720 know, the 88th, the 87th, the 86th, you know, things like 993 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,320 that. So is I'll be going from the 994 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,840 89th to the 90th parallel, it'll be 69 statute miles and it'll 995 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,400 take about 7 to 8 days. Nice. 996 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,440 I'm stoked man. This in April. 997 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,960 Are you going to be like documenting this or is it? 998 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,680 I mean you probably. Yeah, it'll be, it'll be on the, 999 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,320 it'll be on the website. So on the easiest way to track 1000 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,120 all this stuff is you can go to my personal website, which is 1001 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,280 Dawson's Peak P/E A k.com. And through that you can, 1002 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,320 that'll link to our other, to the foundation site, which is 1003 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,760 Dawson's Peak foundation.org. That's our 5O1C3. 1004 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,760 But on that site is there's a tracker that I'll have. 1005 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,480 So you can watch me real time on the tracker and then we'll get 1006 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,400 social media, you know, videos and pictures and different posts 1007 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,760 up as quickly as we can. But obviously when you're when 1008 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,680 you're up there, it's very difficult to communicate. 1009 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,240 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now I'm stoked, man. 1010 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,600 I love what you're doing. I love the message you're 1011 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,440 preaching. I'm excited to to see this, to 1012 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,160 have you see it through with the the polls. 1013 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,720 So yeah, man, if there's anything I can do to help, by 1014 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,080 all means let me know. I'll send you some breaks for 1015 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,520 sure. Listen, I, I would love that, 1016 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,440 but but again, is, is I appreciate your time and, and I, 1017 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,320 I think, you know, you did an absolutely, you know, excellent 1018 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,680 job. And again, I think I think most 1019 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,840 of your points are better than mine. 1020 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,760 So I appreciate you showing me up on that front. 1021 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,280 No, man, I, I, I appreciate the the conversation. 1022 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,240 I value what you're doing and I'm just happy to get to word 1023 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,320 out for you. I'm excited about the book. 1024 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,760 I'll be reading it. Now listen, thank you very much 1025 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,160 and again, thanks for your time. Appreciate you, Dawson. 1026 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,320 Real quick, where's the social profiles you want to point 1027 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,320 people to? Yeah, no, thank you for that. 1028 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,240 So the easiest thing is just Instagram is just at Dawson's 1029 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:58,840 peak again, that's P/E AK and then the other links are are on 1030 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,880 that, then all the links are also on the website. 1031 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,080 And again, Strength and Surrender was launched on 1032 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,520 January 7th here in 2025, and it's available now on Amazon. 1033 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,680 You know, ebook, ebook and paperback and audio is going to 1034 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,160 be released in about a week. Awesome man, well I'll link out, 1035 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,520 make the E people to find you and just keep killing it 1036 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,480 brother. Keep doing what you're doing. 1037 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,120 Hey, thank you. I appreciate it. 1038 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:19,920 See you, Dawson. See. 1039 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:20,720 You, buddy.