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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes ketose a.com today, I have

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special guests Steven kotler on 
the line. 

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He is a well-known author has 
written, many best-selling 

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books. 
I have one on my bookshelf right

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now entitled, bold, he's 
recently written one called Nar 

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country, which is all about his 
pursuit of Park skiing, and how 

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he has been able to apply his 
protocol of maximizing flow to 

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improving his ability. 
As a park, skier thrown into the

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conversation. 
We are all pretty familiar with 

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With the concept of flow and he 
Dives deep into how to get into 

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flow more efficiently, how to 
stay in flow longer, how to 

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maximize one's flow and ability 
to use that flow to reach 

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Mastery with any given skill 
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So very applicable to anyone. 
Listen to this podcast, wanting 

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to master their own lives and 
their skill sets thoroughly, 

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enjoy the conversation. 
I've got a lot of respect for 

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what he's doing, what he's 
experimenting on and how it's 

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making a difference in his life 
and others. 

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So without further Ado, sit back
Lacks into a conversation with 

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Steven kotler. 
We are live. 

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Steven, how are you sir? 
Well, thank you. 

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How are you? 
I'm good, man, I'm good. 

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So I was talking to my crew this
morning about this podcast in 

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preparation for this podcast and
I was talking about flow and 

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it's pretty safe to say that 
you're the guy that has 

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certainly popularized that as a 
concept, right? 

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Where did it come from? 
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Well, work, research, Salt Lake,
scientific research, and the 

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flow dates back to the 1870s, 
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Which is the sort of the first 
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altered state of consciousness, 
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is, have a huge impact on 
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It bounces around for most of 
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people, looking at different 
aspects, the name changes, and 

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then the 1970s a man named me, I
should sell me. 

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Hi, there's at the University of
Chicago as a psychologist. 

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She runs their cigars. 
Psychology department. 

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He start studying Optimal 
Performance, right? 

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Same concept going around the 
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feel their best and perform 
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And everybody says the same 
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of the largest days of running 
psychology, tens of thousands of

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people. 
And he says, look when I'm at my

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best, I'm in this state of 
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decision, every action flows, 
seamlessly perfectly 

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effortlessly from the laughs. 
The csikszentmihalyi I ringing 

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Eames what was then going by 
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Has and starts calling them flow
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term. 
It get renamed as being in the 

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zone and Runners a bunch of 
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But flow is the term, the 
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Gotcha. 
Gotcha, is it possible to be in 

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flow with two separate 
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Or is that just is that just not
sure. 

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There's so there's individual 
flow me and a flow State heard 

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you and a flow State and then 
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technically defined as a team or
a Group performing at their best

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but it comes in Bride. 
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interpersonal, flow me, and you 
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This is one of the most common 
flow States in are two people in

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a conversation that gets so 
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time. 
Loose track itself, couple 

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hours, go by that sort of thing.
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then you can have Team plow or 
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That's everything from a great 
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fourth-quarter comeback in 
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float. 
A rock concert at flow it like 

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scale, what they call 
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So, which is, when you're Marie 
with the band and every sort of 

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one with the music and clapping 
and sake, and that sort of 

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thing. 
So, yes, you absolutely can 

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share. 
Flow contagious impact. 

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Well, I will try to do my best 
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embody some Flow State here. 
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a, I love origin stories, man. 
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weeds and figure out why people 
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they have pursued. 
So like for you, you know, doing

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this deep dive into optimizing 
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States. 
Like was there a moment in your 

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youth where you just felt, you 
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and recognize that you had zero 
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motivated to try and fix that or
what was the catalyst? 

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Do you know it's never one day, 
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Um, but it usually, for me, the 
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became a journalist in the early
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was just like explosion in 
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amazing career if they paid you 
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So I was super curious about two
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enough which was human behavior 
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behavior. 
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understand the Neuroscience of 
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really squishy. 
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went into the psychological 
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performers who are giving 
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agreement but you go one, 
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that's magazines. 
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of us that were shaped by 
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And and so, that was Make the 
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it was like, what's this region 
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What's it doing? 
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nineties, were like, well, wait 
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What is consciousness, those 
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ask start asking serious 
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Of Consciousness, like flow 
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is a story that's more familiar 
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I was covering Action, Sports 
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and I was living in what was 
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today is known as Palisades 
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Oh and you know the 90s are this
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Actions books of gravity games 
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starting and there's this 
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potential human potential. 
What they talk about the 90s and

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actions works in the so-called 
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We're more impossible Feats got 
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hanging out in these communities
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These people seeing this stuff 
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my attention. 
Robert. 

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What what like it wasn't just 
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Oh my God. 
Doing the impossible which was, 

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you know, like the greatest 
magic show in the history of the

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universe. 
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and they have none of the 
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along with people formance. 
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homes, they had shitty 
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frank a lot of substance abuse 
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things together in a community 
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jail. 
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What Possible for the human 
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So that was where it started for
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was seeing and experiencing some
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You know, what, how is this 
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skiers snowboarders rock 
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thing. 
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they would describe its 
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And that was sort of where it 
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from a Strictly physical 
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We have better Technologies, you
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nutrition, but this Quantum Leap
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Can it cannot really be 
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improvement from a physical 
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It's oftentimes more 
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Well, it's neurobiological 
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Are we interface with it through
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changes are neurobiological just
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flow flow. 
Definitely amplifies mental 

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performance. 
And that's what it's sort of 

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famous for when talk all about 
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bit and flow because the 
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know this. 
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can only access about 65% of 
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sort of shuts it down to you. 
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If you're a trained 
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85 percent, and then in like 
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like lift the car off the baby 
situations, you can the governor

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has gone completely in, get it 
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Hello, quiets that Governor down
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So we're whatever triangle of 
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Quantified it but you get to 
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It's on top of it and it feels 
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neurochemicals that underpin 
blower really potent 

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painkillers. 
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So stamina goes up, strength 
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Twitch muscle response. 
Dude, you're more dick stairs, 

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you move quicker, you get a 
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So those things are improved, 
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pointed out, our psychological 
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So it's kind of like, when you 
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resetting your homeostatic set 
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in a sustainable fashion 
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time that you get to you you 
just you just use one of my 

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favorite herbs. 
Low does something really 

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interesting with homeostatic set
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emotional set points. 
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everything in the body sort of 
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Pretty early on an emotional set
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You live between them right? 
There's a there's a lowest 

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experience of satisfied and I 
have a plan on the history going

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to be on the planet and they're 
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You can actually feel worse over
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Death of a child or chronic 
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as hell but those are the only 
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and to go up. 
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works is repeated, access to 
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You can raise your upper 
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time. 
Gotcha, now flow in and of 

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itself is It's kind of like you 
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that you are in flow, but it's 
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Like you're tapping into that 
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necessarily but you recognize 
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But then it's beneficial to not 
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then you're liable to kick 
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speak. 
So, how does one actively 

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pursue? 
He's spending more time in flow 

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without offsetting likelihood 
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There's a six different answers 
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Let me just sort of start at the
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Yeah. 
Low States our principal. 

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How do we know we're in flow? 
Psychologists Define flow bike, 

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six core characteristics that 
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In all six show up were in flow,
those are complete concentration

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on the task at hand, merger of 
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The Vanishing of our sense of 
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time. 
Perhaps a strange little slow 

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down or more frequently, it 
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We don't, we don't experience on
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Instead we feel a sense of 
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Now I can control As I can't 
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player saying, oh my God, it 
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know, it's me as a rider 6 a.m. 
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When my sentences are suddenly 
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normally different, do at 6 a.m.
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Um and finally we Define 
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potential. 
Gotcha. 

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there's ways to kind of set 
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research Collective were a 
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work in 130 countries, tens of 
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It's not super easy, but just to
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part and the second part part 
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Like the the 70 days percent 
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So we we use for that, for that 
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We're using Susan Jackson, short
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A 36 question, question are back

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and then six other Close scales,
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what we use and use this. 
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neuroscience. 
And Bobby have your reviews. 

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What happens in the brain inflow
State on citizenry listed for? 

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Different are biological signals
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measure all at ones that we 
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So we're getting there nor well 
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top secret? 
It's it's not Top Secret at all.

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So couple things happen in flow.
We got so All right, I'll give 

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Let me just give me the coolest 

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one. 
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The one that I'm totally geeked 
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sends a control like you perform
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better-than-expected results. 
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Oh my God, that was super well 
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better than expected results, 
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there's an herb, which is, you 
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the brand basically, In waves 
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There's A and B we encounter p3i
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and p300 bees when we get better
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So flow, we think the opposite 
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things that's Mark, by is a 
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Oh, shit. 
That work super well. 

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Oh my God. 
Look at that. 

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sport like if that's a really 
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like, oh my God, this is, this 
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better than I expected. 
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by the way that p300 tends to 
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a dopamine release in the brain,
do it, you know, you get 

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better-than-expected results and
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Me feels good. 
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recognition. 
The whole bunch of stuff. 

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Do you have a better shot at 
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better-than-expected results. 
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it's at the onset of flow, right
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avoid and that leaning in to 
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It triggers the fight response 
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fight response. 
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to be ubiquitous like it's going
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just in sort of like high-stress
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question. 
You definitely have to lean in 

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the hormones underneath it? 
We don't know but we should have

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a better idea about a year. 
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when you have all of this you 
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coming in real time. 
What would be the the use case 

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scenario for the select? 
Like for I'm all about data to 

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like I've got an aura ring. 
I've got the Garmin watch, I 

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gotta like data, especially if I
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actionable. 
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really simple example that lean 
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especially Japanese martial 
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Judah to anymore. 
People make fun of me when I use

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this example of their martial 
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you would kiosk before 
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At this sudden shout that, you 
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doing that? 
Because when we shout while 

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attacking, it's basically 
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So that's a really simple one. 
But like, you know, if you've 

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ever, I ski a lot and, you know,
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the big line do something like 
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To, like, dial in my focus a 
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better way to talk about this is
the most effective way to get 

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into flow, is the flow triggers 
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top of each other. 
So, let's just talk about, for 

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example, the dopamine triggers 
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different psychological triggers
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encounter novelty, when we take 
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recognitions of creativity, when
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Right, my My new book, not our 
country, which really looks and 

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apply big performance in applied
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And as skiing at the center of 
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And when you look at it, terrain
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hill. 
And you see it like a mountain 

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Estonia like, oh, wow, that's 
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grind. 
When you do that, that kind of, 

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when that takes place, that's 
pattern, recognition brain 

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leaking ideas together. 
And that produces a little, a 

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little squirt of dopamine which 
will drive Focus as well. 

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Complexity doesn't so does 
unpredictability to, these are 

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all flow triggers. 
How would you use them? 

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I'll give you a really simple 
example in my home. 

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I have to read a lot of 
Neuroscience textbooks obviously

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and you know, the thrilling 
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Turners. 
Really. 

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And it's really important to me 
to. 

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Remember what I what, I what 
I've read along the way too. 

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So when I sort of save up two or
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go like, take a trip goes just 
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That I haven't been, I'll get a 
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I'll sit out on the balcony. 
Looking at very, very novel, and

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sort of unpredictable scenery, 
and that's enough to get a 

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little dopamine into my system. 
And what, as I start reading, as

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I start making connections 
between the new ideas and all 

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other ideas. 
That's that's pattern 

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recognition, that's going to 
kick a little more double man 

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in. 
So I always tell people if you 

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have to like read and retain our
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it. 
Someplace where you can have 

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complete concentration because 
that matter shall flow. 

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So you want you know, quiet and 
distraction management all that 

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stuff. 
But go someplace in novel where 

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you're looking at really, you 
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in that sort of stuff. 
It will provoke stuff man and 

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helps. 
Yeah, totally. 

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You would that mean if I'm ever 
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just simply change my scenery, 
go for a drive, you know, 

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staying at an Airbnb or 
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but just getting out of my 
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creativity and just ability to 
focus. 

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Oka seems to amplify tenfold 
door, right? 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
What about stress? 

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Like a stress, like the 
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certain? 
Yeah. 

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So this is this is let's talk 
about flows. 

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Most important trigger, what's 
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balance. 
The idea here is flow, follows 

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focus and we pay the most 
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When the challenge the death 
slightly exceeds our skill sets,

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do you want to stretch but not 
snap. 

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If I were to put that 
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on the midpoint between boredom 
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Boredom is not enough 
stimulation. 

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I'm not paying attention, 
anxiety, way too much. 

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I'm paying too much attention. 
Fix it at can't stop in between 

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is what psychologists call the 
flow Channel physiologist would 

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call the irk stops and curve, 
okay? 

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On Davis, exact same thing, 
right? 

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And there's a sweet spot for 
focus and attention stimulation 

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and all that stuff. 
Now, it's interesting for flow 

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that sweet spot, right? 
Because it's right outside your 

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comfort zone. 
So you want to get good at this.

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Got to get comfortable with 
being uncomfortable but you 

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can't push too hard. 
The neurochemicals that underpin

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fear. 
Predominately norepinephrine 

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cortisol little bit is great, 
right? 

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Price focus and it Prime's 
learning. 

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It too much. 
You not only do you block low, 

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you destroy performance, 
creativity gets completely 

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blocked by too much 
norepinephrine in your system, 

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and brain gets very logical, 
very linear, very predictable, 

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fast. 
Twitch muscle response goes 

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down. 
Our ability to generate full 

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force and full power goes down 
like on and on, there's a huge 

457
00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:02,800
detriment in the brain and the 
body for too much anxiety. 

458
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,900
So, yes, and if you want to get 
good at flying, One of the 

459
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:10,500
things that we train people in 
his emotional regulation, and, 

460
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,000
you know, there's sort of like, 
the Peak Performance Basics. 

461
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800
Like, how do you on a day-to-day
basis besides? 

462
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,200
Like proper hydration, proper 
nutrition that like, Body Energy

463
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,100
stuff, right? 
You also have to make sure 

464
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,300
you're managing your emotions 
and imagine nervous system. 

465
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:29,300
And there's, you know, there's 
four things you really want to 

466
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:32,700
be focused on social support, 
which you should be focused on 

467
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:35,300
every day for a lot of different
reasons. 

468
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,900
Reasons. 
But predominantly if you want to

469
00:24:37,908 --> 00:24:40,200
keep norepinephrine. 
Now your system, whatever the 

470
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,000
brain. 
Whenever we people encounter an 

471
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000
issue, right? 
Could be a threat. 

472
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:49,800
Could be a challenge to rise 
towards the brain runs a. 

473
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:51,500
What is this? 
You know, approach River. 

474
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:53,100
Avoid. 
What do I do here? 

475
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:55,300
I'm like, energy. 
Do I need to produce to meet 

476
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,600
this challenge? 
That sort of stuff? 

477
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,500
Social support is supercritical.
If you have people in your life,

478
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,900
when your regular income 
pathetic with love, you have 

479
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:06,800
your back. 
Going to pick you up if you fall

480
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,400
down. 
Well most things are challenges 

481
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,800
you are used for. 
It's not the raddest though. 

482
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,900
You get a lower energetic 
response you get a lower North 

483
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:18,900
the nephron and cortisol 
response. 

484
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,200
The opposite is true. 
If you can loan wolfing it for a

485
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,200
while. 
Hmm, you encounter a situation, 

486
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,800
your brain goes, oh shit, man, 
you're alone. 

487
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,300
There's nobody's noticed that 
your back and this is a big 

488
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,800
problem. 
Bursa Burns a ton of calories. 

489
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,300
Plimsoll, want to 
norepinephrine. 

490
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,400
Get into your system really 
problematic social, support 

491
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,700
matters and then that's the 
daily basis. 

492
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:44,200
And then I there are three other
things you want to do. 

493
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,300
And I always tell people uh, 
normal days, do one on days 

494
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,500
where you're a little more 
stressed out due to if you work 

495
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,000
for me at the flow research 
Collective, for example, during 

496
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000
covid or Peak Performance 
organization. 

497
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,400
I wanted my people would be at 
their best. 

498
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,800
You had to do all three if you 
want to keep your job. 

499
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,900
So what are those three daily 
gratitude practice daily 

500
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:07,600
mindfulness or breath work? 
Practice and daily exercise, 

501
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,600
right? 
And a gratitude practice takes 

502
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,900
about five minutes to do 
mindfulness for stress 

503
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,100
reduction. 
You're talking about 11, 12 

504
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,600
minutes of breath work. 
And if you're exercising for 

505
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,100
stress reduction, you want to 
work out until it gets quiet 

506
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,200
upstairs, right? 
The voice in your head gets 

507
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,300
really soft and your lungs. 
Open up. 

508
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:29,600
That's a signal that the body 
has released. 

509
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,900
Nitric oxide is a gas to 
signaling molecules everywhere 

510
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:37,000
in the body and it It flushes 
stress hormones. 

511
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,600
Out of our system, though. 
Normal conditions you want to 

512
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,300
use social support is more than 
I do. 

513
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,700
Anyway. 
So just support is different for

514
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,900
everybody. 
I'm an extreme introvert. 

515
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:52,400
I have to have a couple two or 
three four conversations a week 

516
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,600
on the phone with close friends.
Just checking it does have to be

517
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,800
long but you know 20 minutes 
checking in and I like to talk 

518
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,800
to my wife every day and try to 
connect my wife every day, but 

519
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,700
beyond that like I'm hanging out
my God. 

520
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,600
I don't need More and that that 
that's just enough for me. 

521
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Everything is gonna be different
extreme extroverts are going to 

522
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:16,600
need a lot so that that that's 
up and down but the other stuff 

523
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000
you know we know exactly how 
long it's going to take. 

524
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,900
And I always like to say People 
forms by the way, let's just 

525
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:26,400
Define it for a second. 
The way I defy is just getting 

526
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,400
our biology to work for us 
rather than against us when it 

527
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,400
comes to be performance. 
It's really a checklist about 

528
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,500
six things you want to do every 
day about seven things, you want

529
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:41,400
to do every week and you know of
the of those things I just named

530
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,300
a bunch of them right? 
You want to sleep seven eight 

531
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,600
hours to because that's the 
amount of sleep adults need and 

532
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,900
there's no real wiggle room and 
especially if you're trying to 

533
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,800
like take care of emotional 
regulation You need to sleep 

534
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,900
seven eight hours. 
That's one of the things you've 

535
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:55,700
got to do every day. 
You got to take care of your 

536
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:57,500
nervous system. 
That's not a you know, it's goes

537
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,000
like that and but it's 
ultimately a checklist of things

538
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,600
that you do every day. 
Yeah. 

539
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,500
No, I totally agree. 
Man. 

540
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,000
Do you like to incorporate the 
Gratitude and the the 

541
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,400
mindfulness and kind of do that 
in the form of journaling and 

542
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,500
iku? 
12 Journal? 

543
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,100
So, um, I'm not one to journal 
her say, in the way that people 

544
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,800
Journal ice catch is I write for
a living. 

545
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,900
So like all the stuff that goes 
into, people's Charles goes 

546
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,400
sooner or later your twines its 
way into whatever I'm the 

547
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,300
writing, right? 
So, I'll sketch and I'll draw 

548
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,000
and that'll be stum of it but I 
do. 

549
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,300
So another flow trigger is known
as clear goals. 

550
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,100
Clear goals is like a daily 
to-do list, but the This is the 

551
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:48,200
sun is on process, not outcome 
goals and it's Vic. 

552
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,500
Clarity is what matters flow 
follows Focus. 

553
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:55,200
So when you bring those this is 
what we're doing now. 

554
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,800
This is what we're doing. 
Next doesn't ever have to 

555
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600
wonder? 
That's the most important thing.

556
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,300
The goal itself is less 
important. 

557
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,500
But so clear goals are really 
important to flow like to 

558
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:12,700
create. 
I'd like to end my day or start 

559
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:15,500
my day. 
Making it clear goals list for 

560
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,300
the day right. 
Hardest task first and and work 

561
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:24,200
from there and right after I do 
it, clear goals list. 

562
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,300
I do my gratitude practice and I
prefer and we've done a lot of 

563
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,700
work on gratitude, so probably 
the world's best expert on 

564
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,700
gratitude in the neurobiology. 
Gratitude is dr. 

565
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:37,900
Glenn and foxes at USC. 
We've done a lot of work with 

566
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:39,700
Glenn over the years. 
In fact, one of the things we've

567
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,400
learned is that a daily 
gratitude practice? 

568
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,800
Makes you more flow prone. 
Because it low or it keeps 

569
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,900
anxiety levels down, it allows 
you to get into that challenge 

570
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:49,700
skills. 
Sweet Spot, much more easily, 

571
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:54,400
but we did a lot of work on the 
neurobiology of gratitude and do

572
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600
the standard. 
Psychological one is sort of 

573
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,100
three things you're grateful for
and then you Journal about about

574
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,300
a paragraph turning. 
One of those things into a 

575
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,300
paragraph, right? 
That's the standard positive 

576
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:08,100
psychology. 
Gratitude exercise, I find more 

577
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:10,800
effective for me. 
Just write down ten things. 

578
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,400
I'm grateful for and write each 
one. 

579
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:18,000
By hand three times. 
So I'm really and in the point 

580
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,100
is you want to feel the 
Gratitude in your body. 

581
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,500
It's about finding finding 
finding the interior cept of 

582
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,700
sense of gratitude and that's 
what you're after because when 

583
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:34,300
you have gratitude is basically 
thanking the world really good. 

584
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,500
Things are already happening to 
you and it calms the brain down.

585
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,300
So it basically gratitude e. 
Tunes are negativity bias on a 

586
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,500
mountain on basis. 
Really important ways when under

587
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,500
normal conditions, because we 
were, you know, we evolved in a 

588
00:30:49,508 --> 00:30:54,000
very different era with threats 
were much more immediate we take

589
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,900
in about 9 - bits of 
information, for every positive 

590
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,100
bit that gets through and not a 
lot of bits get through it. 

591
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:01,900
Right. 
The band with a Consciousness 

592
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:07,400
when you can consciously pay 
attention to is about 140 160 

593
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400
bits of information. 
And just by listening to my 

594
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
voice you're processing 4260 
best though. 

595
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:16,500
That just did put it in context.
The battle developed is, this is

596
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,600
really small and we're taking an
eye - bits for every positive if

597
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,900
it gets through. 
That's one of the reasons we 

598
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,900
tend to be a little more 
depressed or anxious or you 

599
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,100
know, hyper-vigilant or do those
things. 

600
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,100
Gratitude tilts, it. 
Your brain goes. 

601
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:32,800
Oh shit. 
Look at all. 

602
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,100
The good things going on in your
life. 

603
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Maybe it's not. 
So Bad. 

604
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200
We don't need to gather all this
- information and it tilts it to

605
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,400
like 5 to 1 or 6 to 1. 
And that's excellent. 

606
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,600
Because those non those new bits
of information are coming in 

607
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,500
that's novelty. 
So not only is it flow. 

608
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:52,500
Trigger novelty is the seed 
kernel of all creativity, 

609
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Innovation intelligent problem 
solving. 

610
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,000
So really big benefit for that 
and 45 minutes a day. 

611
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,700
It's amazing but I'm not a 
journey or because I write for a

612
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,000
living. 
Do I right? 

613
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,700
Hours a day, anyways. 
I've got every day. 

614
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:10,800
I can impress them in 5 hours a 
day without fail is a lot of 

615
00:32:10,808 --> 00:32:13,700
running. 
Let me ask you this. 

616
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,000
You seem like a very disciplined
person for good reason. 

617
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,200
I feel like once you're able to 
quantify how much better you 

618
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,200
perform as a result of more 
time, spent in flo, I would 

619
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,000
assume you become that much more
protective of that flow time, 

620
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,600
that flow State. 
And I feel like that's a great 

621
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,500
question. 
It's very important to like, 

622
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,000
deter anything that could 
distract from that. 

623
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:39,900
And I feel like a lot of 
people's issue is simply saying 

624
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,400
no to things. 
So how do you kind of weighed 

625
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,100
that one? 
Water. 

626
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:48,600
Hmm, okay. 
So um, I think you're right, let

627
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,900
me talk about a couple different
Frameworks for how I say now and

628
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,300
how I think about know I talked 
earlier about clear goals, 

629
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:59,000
listen, to-do lists, hmm. 
One of the first things I do and

630
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,100
I think everybody should run 
this experiment but what goes on

631
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,900
at Clear goals list. 
Your to-do list is anything. 

632
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:08,800
You're going to do during the 
day that takes energy, right? 

633
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,500
That's the budget for your days,
your energy level. 

634
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,100
I'm so you people fuck up when 
they do this because they'll 

635
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:21,500
forget putting things like I 
have to have a, you know, cam 

636
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,000
the conversation, my wife to my 
brother or my boss and those 

637
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,800
sorts of things, right? 
And but that's a big energy sock

638
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,500
or they'll, you know, they'll 
leave thing. 

639
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,800
Forget to leave off walking the 
dog or those sorts of things but

640
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,400
those also doesn't take any 
energy. 

641
00:33:34,408 --> 00:33:37,400
So what I tell people is you got
to figure out how many things, 

642
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,900
can you be excellent at it a day
and just sort of run the 

643
00:33:40,908 --> 00:33:42,800
experiment, like see how many 
things you can put on? 

644
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,500
On your clear goals list get all
through all of them, be at your 

645
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:50,000
best doing all of them and you 
can time and flow time. 

646
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400
During people format you'll 
learn how to extend this list 

647
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,900
over time perhaps a little bit 
but the truth of the matter is 

648
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:00,200
you know most of us I come out 
somewhere between like 9/11 

649
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400
things obviously. 
One of those things I'm going to

650
00:34:02,408 --> 00:34:04,700
do every day, is it going to 
write few like 4 or 5 hours? 

651
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:07,500
So that's the big thing that's 
going first on my list. 

652
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,300
So that the first thing that is 
the know is if I know how many 

653
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:19,100
things I can do in a day, right?
So if if I can't be excellent at

654
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,199
something, I'm not going to try 
to do it in a give it in a given

655
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,300
day because it doesn't, it 
doesn't make any sense to me. 

656
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:29,000
The other thing that I do is 
though this is a lot of this 

657
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,199
stuff is very, very, very much 
detailed in my book, The Art of 

658
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,600
impossible but so if you're 
interested in being performance,

659
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,699
it actually starts with mode. 
Vacation and a part of 

660
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:44,100
motivation is goal. 
Setting and Youmans for perform 

661
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:49,600
best with three tiers of goals. 
At the top, we have like our 

662
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,699
purpose or massively 
transformative purposes and you 

663
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:56,300
can have a couple of these. 
For me, I have three. 

664
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,800
I want to write books that have 
a really big impact kind of 

665
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,600
thing. 
I want to advance flow science 

666
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,600
and research and I want to make 
the world a better place for 

667
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,700
Animals. 
My wife and I run a dog saying, 

668
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,000
sure, I've been involved in 
animal rights and Animal Welfare

669
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,300
issues. 4:30 Some years though, 
those are my big three things 

670
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:19,900
and to do those three things, I 
also have to, you know, there's 

671
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:21,400
three other things that I focus 
on. 

672
00:35:21,408 --> 00:35:23,900
There's all the sort of the 
business support stuff that I 

673
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,200
have to do to be after go after 
my three massively 

674
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,700
transformative purposes, there's
also friends and family 

675
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,900
something that that matters to 
me and social support is really 

676
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,900
important. 
Finally I don't function well 

677
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,500
without regular access to my 
primary flow activities and 

678
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:42,500
those are you The in part for me
being or Mountain downhill 

679
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,600
mountain biking or surfing or 
you know, that sort of thing. 

680
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,600
So those are the six things I do
and if you come to me with 

681
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,300
something and it fits into the 
one of those six categories, I 

682
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,500
say, yes, come to do something 
that's outside one of those six 

683
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,100
things, the answer is always and
know. 

684
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,100
So I start there, that's one of 
the filters I applied in my 

685
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,100
life. 
I also know how many things I 

686
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,900
can do in a day so that it's 
another pill. 

687
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:10,400
Out there. 
There are others but those are 

688
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,400
the two big ones that I start 
with. 

689
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,400
I like that. 
Yeah, I have something similar 

690
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,300
with my like I've got like five 
primary pillars and I tried to 

691
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,600
have everything work, you know 
in unison somewhat chaotic in 

692
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,700
nature, like whenever I'm 
spending time towards one of 

693
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,500
those pillars, it as ideally 
improving the other in some form

694
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:29,100
of fashion. 
If anything comes into my life, 

695
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,900
that is not any way shape form 
or fashion, benefiting one of 

696
00:36:32,908 --> 00:36:35,200
those five pillars and it's just
a hard, no, no matter what 

697
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Right. 
Yeah exactly. 

698
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,400
I want to dive into 
sustainability because I feel 

699
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,900
like you know, longevity 
sustainability, that is all Chi.

700
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,400
That's awesome. 
Also a topic I believe a topic 

701
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,400
of your latest book North 
Country and how to be able to 

702
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,200
perform at a high level. 
Optimize human performance in a 

703
00:36:52,207 --> 00:36:54,000
sustainable fashion for the Long
Haul. 

704
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,600
And a lot of people. 
Look at, let's go ahead. 

705
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,100
No, no, you go ahead Robert. 
I'm sorry to tell you you're 

706
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,900
done. 
Yeah I mean I just can say that 

707
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,100
a lot of people. 
Look at these, you know, flow 

708
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:08,600
States this this level of High 
high activity, high output and 

709
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,400
they don't think it's 
sustainable. 

710
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400
And then I've heard you mention,
you know, you look at people 

711
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,600
that are doing free soloing 
climbing for days on end, like 

712
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,400
you pretty much have to be in a 
flow state. 

713
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,500
By default in order to do that, 
not fall to your death so you 

714
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,500
can stretch this out in a 
sustainable fashion. 

715
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:29,900
If you take the right approach 
though, The new button our 

716
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,800
country grow mold stammer and is
about people for my staging. 

717
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,300
And you know, same definition as
before, right? 

718
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,200
Getting our biology to work for 
us, rather than he got this only

719
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,700
in this case, it's, you know, 
applying that biology to the 

720
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,500
opportunities and challenges of 
Aging. 

721
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,300
We've talked about a couple of 
things in, sort of response to 

722
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,500
your question. 
The first thing is and I'm 

723
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:55,500
guessing most of you listeners 
are not going to fall into this 

724
00:37:55,500 --> 00:38:00,100
category, but for the handful of
people who still do If you want 

725
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,800
to know about performance aging,
the place to start is with the 

726
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,800
traditional, the old idea about 
aging, and it's what I like to 

727
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,100
call a long, slow rock theory, 
right? 

728
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:12,100
This is the idea that all of our
mental skills and our physical 

729
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,600
skills, they decline over time. 
And there's nothing we can do to

730
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,200
stop the slide. 
We now know that's not true at 

731
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,900
all. 
Well, excuse me. 

732
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:23,900
It is true that our physical 
skills decline over time and I 

733
00:38:23,908 --> 00:38:26,800
mental skills, decline over 
time, but almost all of the 

734
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,900
skills that we used to believe 
decline. 

735
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,300
Climb. 
We now know their user loses 

736
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:35,700
deals and you never stop using 
these skills. 

737
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,900
You can hang on that. 
You're going to have some Far 

738
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,600
later in life than anybody 
thought possible. 

739
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:48,200
So, that's amazing news. 
Yeah, honestly, I took very 

740
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,500
recently in the this story sort 
of told in our country is 

741
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:57,900
there's a whole bunch of stuff. 
That comes out of flow science. 

742
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,500
So let me back up and talk about
what the hell flow has to do. 

743
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,500
With people from engaging is 
that was one part of your 

744
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:07,600
question or Aging in general and
especially successful, aging 

745
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,100
healthy, aging performance 
aging. 

746
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,500
So we mentioned earlier that, 
there's this challenge skills 

747
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,200
balance that you pushing on your
skills, to the utmost to drop 

748
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,000
into flow. 
What that means is I'm other 

749
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,500
side of a flow State, your more 
complex, right? 

750
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,300
You've learned something. 
You've grown your more 

751
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,100
adaptable. 
A couple of things that flow 

752
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,000
amplifies, the amplifies 
learning studies run. 

753
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,500
By the US Department of Defense 
learning. 

754
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,900
Go up, two hundred fifty to five
hundred percent above normal Big

755
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:38,900
Boost in learning. 
It also expands both empathy and

756
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,200
wisdom and for a bunch of our 
biological reasons that we could

757
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,400
go into if you really care. 
But like it expands a between 

758
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,100
wisdom and we get more skills. 
Csikszentmihalyi argued, then 

759
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:54,400
it's the engine of maturation is
the engine of development. 

760
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:01,100
Flow is what? 
makes us grow up and I think he 

761
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:03,700
I think it's one of the engines.
I don't think it's the only one.

762
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:04,800
I think there are a couple of 
other things. 

763
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Small kick something. 
I really thought it was the main

764
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,300
other adult development and our 
drive to get into float. 

765
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,800
Doesn't go away. 
It stays constant almost until 

766
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:22,800
the very end of our Lives. 
Um and This engine keeps us 

767
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,200
going. 
And it turns out Lo this is sort

768
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,500
of the final part of the 
question. 

769
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,000
I think Flo really, really, 
really enhances. 

770
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,300
A lot of stuff we want access to
late in life. 

771
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,600
So, when we're in flow, we had 
this feeling of Mastery, right? 

772
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,800
Because their skills are growing
and we get the sense of control.

773
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,800
These are two of those positive 
powerful emotions that humans 

774
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,700
cannot get access to and we feel
really positive power. 

775
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,400
Well, motions, that stimulates 
the production of T-cells, some 

776
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,200
of the, a lot of Selco cells and
natural killer cells, which are 

777
00:40:58,207 --> 00:41:02,300
the cells that Target tumors and
other six cells really, really 

778
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:06,400
important for obvious. 
You know, people from its aging 

779
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,500
perspectives. 
The other thing they happens in 

780
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:12,500
flow is I mentioned earlier that
nitrous oxide release. 

781
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,500
You get at the gym that also 
shows up at the front end of a 

782
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:18,700
flow stated pushes, the 
mentioned stress hormones out of

783
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,900
your system to there are nine 
known Aging. 

784
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,500
Right now, all of them went back
to stress and inflammation in 

785
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:28,200
the body. 
So if any time you can dump, 

786
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,200
stress, chemicals. 
You're actually slowing aging 

787
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,000
down. 
So flow boosts, our immune 

788
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,600
system, a bunch of different 
ways, it slows down aging, it 

789
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,900
also bonus underpins meaning, 
purpose penis. 

790
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,700
Overall well-being, low is, you 
know, psychologists define 

791
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:48,200
happiness. 
There's three levels of 

792
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,700
happiness now and the top two 
definitions. 

793
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Us and flow baked into them. 
So so the way I like to kind of 

794
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,400
frame all this up and then I'll 
shut up and let you ask your. 

795
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Next question is flow doesn't 
just make life worth living. 

796
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,500
It makes a whole lot more life 
worth living. 

797
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,700
Yeah I feel like and it's at its
core in the essence like if 

798
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:12,200
you're just simply excited about
the potential of continuing 

799
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:16,000
continued Improvement that that 
in and of itself, which is going

800
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,300
to be creating Flow by Design is
is going to be doing One wonders

801
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,900
to prevent the Aging aspects in 
all its totality. 

802
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,900
I mean, I feel like so many 
people wind up going downhill at

803
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,800
an exponential rate, simply 
because they have quote-unquote 

804
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,600
lost the will to live. 
They don't have excitement have 

805
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,400
bigger than of zeal for life 
anymore. 

806
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,900
If you can find something that 
continues to inspire you and 

807
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:42,800
continues to create and elicit, 
these emotions of excitement 

808
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,200
like that in and of itself will 
improve your likelihood to live 

809
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,000
a quality more fulfilled life. 
We actually have data on that. 

810
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,900
So what you're you're you're 
sort of blending, two things 

811
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:59,100
scientists or break. 
Apart one is mindset. 

812
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,600
And let me start there because 
this is really cool. 

813
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,900
So what you're describing is 
essentially what's known as a 

814
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:07,400
positive mindset toward aging, 
right? 

815
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,500
This second half, my life is 
filled with exciting, thrilling 

816
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,900
possibilities in the best. 
My best days are ahead of me. 

817
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Hmm, have pause it. 
When people talk about people, 

818
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,300
wanting and get asked a lot, 
where do you start start with 

819
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:22,300
mindset? 
You start with p and the there's

820
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,100
work on back. 
Ellen, Langer be in the 70s and 

821
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,300
the 80s started this but like 
it's gone all the way forward. 

822
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:33,400
We know that a positive mindset 
towards aging, produces an 

823
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,000
extra, seven and a half years of
healthy longevity, so you should

824
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,400
shift your mindset before you 
quit smoking before you lose 

825
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,800
weight and roughly in the same, 
it's roughly the same importance

826
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,500
of, having a robust social life 
as Age, which is really, really,

827
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,200
really key. 
The other thing that you folded 

828
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,800
in there is this passion purpose
in flow. 

829
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,200
You want to live in such a way 
that you knew you did your 

830
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,800
passion purpose and flow and 
that research comes out of the 

831
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,300
blue Zone research, right? 
The longest, the communities on 

832
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:09,300
Earth and some of the stuff 
they've discovered as a little 

833
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,400
controversial. 
Usually, their dietary advice is

834
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,300
what's controversial and or the 
supplement, advices what's 

835
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:17,700
controversial, but the lifestyle
stuff. 

836
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:21,900
There's no arguing about And one
of the overwhelming things is 

837
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,500
the healthiest long as the 
people on Earth are living with 

838
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:28,600
passion purpose and flow and 
this positive mindset towards 

839
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,100
agent. 
I went what I like about this, 

840
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:34,700
or what I find interesting about
this is, if you talk to most 

841
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:38,600
people about aging and 
performance aging or whatever, 

842
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,000
terms you want to use there, 
they're not going to tell you 

843
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,900
that mindset, passion purpose 
and flowers, a secret to 

844
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,200
longevity, but the data is 
overwhelming. 

845
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,000
Yeah, no for sure man. 
Honestly this is one of the 

846
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,400
reasons I love my sport of 
natural bodybuilding man. 

847
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Like if you couple that you know
with proper diet with recovery, 

848
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:04,600
Like There's No Cap to IT person
like if you continue to use that

849
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,500
muscle, if you continue to go in
there and you train that flow 

850
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,600
State, there's no reason why 
your body can't continue to 

851
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,100
improve. 
Yeah there may be some 

852
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:14,000
interesting, interesting on 
natural bodybuilding so I don't 

853
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,900
know what's going on. 
So bone density is one of the 

854
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:19,100
only only limits you have, 
right? 

855
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,200
And it declines over time. 
One of the reasons we recommend 

856
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,400
hiking with a weight vest or a 
lot of weight training, right? 

857
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,700
You really big, really gotta 
know what you're doing to load 

858
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,500
the poems properly. 
Um, but it's interesting. 

859
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:35,300
There's the, the, your bones is 
for the nutrient mineral, 

860
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:38,900
Factory your body, right? 
Everything sort of runs off your

861
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:42,500
bones, essentially and bone 
density climbs over time. 

862
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:45,900
So, you wrist, strength, 
training, being so to, when we 

863
00:45:45,908 --> 00:45:48,900
talk about the Peak Performance 
skills, that are the skills of 

864
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:52,800
Skills that decline over time 
this 5, right strength sound 

865
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,500
that you have to train strength,
stamina, agility, balance, and 

866
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:01,500
flexibility, and stammers along 
people to a lot of attention to 

867
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:04,300
what you have. 
You need about 150 to 300 

868
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,200
minutes of bigger moderate to 
vigorous exercise a week, like 

869
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,100
this guy activity or aerobic 
activity, but you also need to 

870
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:18,100
strength training days and three
balance, flexibility and Agility

871
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:22,900
days or you need to Find a sport
that combines all those though. 

872
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:28,700
There's no I don't think you can
age successfully without lifting

873
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:32,100
weights. 
Yeah, I agree one I don't and 

874
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,300
you know is Henry Rollins does 
the iron - yeah. 

875
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,700
That's a that's a very good 
saying is this like is this 

876
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:41,300
experiment in for Ray into 
skiing? 

877
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,700
Is this basically an 
experimentation and putting all 

878
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:45,900
these principles into practice 
or what was the motivation for? 

879
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,700
Yeah let me tell you what I did 
and let me tell you sort of a 

880
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:55,000
little bit Why I get it and then
do I have a lifelong skier? 

881
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,800
I've missed and I'm a good 
skier, very big mountain, skiers

882
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,300
his pro athletes around 
mountains. 

883
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,900
What? 
I'm not is a park skier, right? 

884
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,200
Parks involve doing tricks off 
jumps. 

885
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,500
I'm rails and boxes and water 
rides. 

886
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:12,000
Incredibly acrobatic is very 
dangerous and providing 11 

887
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,100
different biological reasons. 
Hence, the considered very 

888
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:18,300
difficult if you're trying to 
learn it over 35 once you get to

889
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,400
40 or it's downright impossible.
So at age 53, a couple years 

890
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,200
ago, I took the whole bunch of 
sort of whiz-bang idea. 

891
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,400
Is a flow science bodybugg, 
cognitions new stuff in 

892
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,500
exercise. 
Physiology blah, blah blah can 

893
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:37,400
bind him to alerting protocol. 
That I said in theory is this 

894
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,400
shit Works in. 
You know, Works in a lab if I if

895
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,100
it works up in the while, they 
should be able to learn to park 

896
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:49,000
ski in my 50s. 
And to test it, we made a list 

897
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,600
of 20 tricks that would 
basically got me from 0 to 

898
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,100
intermediate and intermediate is
the point sort of, in any 

899
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,600
learning curve where you sort of
know enough, what you're doing. 

900
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,800
At the random students, they 
start to dial down, you can 

901
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,400
still get a hurt but it's 
usually a little more 

902
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,900
contextually. 
Usually have a little more 

903
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,200
control. 
So the goal was, how long does 

904
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,100
it take me to get to 
intermediate, according to, you 

905
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,400
know, traditionalists it's going
to be never not possible. 

906
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,200
But everybody else myself 
included thought, you know, I 

907
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,400
thought it would take five years
took under a season using a lot 

908
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,900
of very particular learning 
protocol that we could talk 

909
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:31,100
about afterwards if you want and
we very particular learning 

910
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:33,700
protocol and I've ever learned 
anything that fast. 

911
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,800
I'm not a naturally gifted 
athlete a broken, a ton of 

912
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,800
belem. 
So my body is very injured or 

913
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,700
has been very injured along with
other crazy busy schedule. 

914
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:45,400
So time for like crazy new 
exotic training schedule or 

915
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,500
something like that wasn't 
really. 

916
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,300
Early possible. 
And I went, you know, 02 

917
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:52,400
dangerous, very, very quickly 
single-season. 

918
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:57,200
My ski partner who's 20 years 
younger than me, was a former 

919
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,900
sponsored athlete sponsored Park
skier but had gotten injured 

920
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:03,400
gotten out of this for have 
three. 

921
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,600
Kids had a job. 
You know, came back to it after 

922
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,500
about a decade and a half gone, 
he use the same protocol and he 

923
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:15,900
went farther faster than anybody
that, you know, then he believed

924
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,200
and so what we had by the end of
that season. 

925
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:22,900
Was one of the most radical 
experiments, a big performance, 

926
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,500
anything it is run, but it was a
really fun experiment. 

927
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:28,800
You know, it's to study subjects
for the next year we came back. 

928
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,000
We took 17 older adults ages, 20
1968. 

929
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,400
Most of them were intermediate 
skier, so they didn't even have 

930
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,500
the level of skill. 
I brought into, it's the most of

931
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:41,200
them started have this 
intermediate, we took the exact 

932
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,600
same protocol. 
We used in four days on the 

933
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:49,900
mountain, got them significantly
very, very far, and Then because

934
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:53,200
not everybody's interested in 
action sports script out, the 

935
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,600
action sports, we replaced it 
with, with a particular kind of 

936
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,400
weight. 
Best hiking to the physical 

937
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,900
aspects, a couple of other 
things on the physical side and 

938
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:06,100
created a training. 
The goal of this training was to

939
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:09,400
sort of get people to explode, 
their traditional mindset on 

940
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,300
Aging, right? 
Building with a whole bunch of 

941
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,500
new knowledge and then set them 
on what we call it. 

942
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:17,200
Like an AR style quest which 
isn't like skiing is not right 

943
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,100
for everybody but And I have a 
quest with like there's a thing,

944
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:22,400
they've always wanted to get 
done in their life. 

945
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:25,400
Something they want to go for 
and you know, the training is 

946
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,200
designed to get them on that 
road and moving moving that 

947
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,500
direction and We've ran over 350
people through that and it was a

948
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,500
stunning success. 
And by the way don't take my 

949
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:35,500
word for it. 
Shit. 

950
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:39,500
Go tune our country.com and 
click on the Peak Performance 

951
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:42,200
aging experiment you can watch a
video, we had an announcement. 

952
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,100
You graphic camera, person 
following us around for the 

953
00:50:46,107 --> 00:50:48,600
whole thing is if you watch a 
video about the There's the 

954
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,000
white papers right there. 
Nice man, this is like the 

955
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,300
stripped down version. 
That is applicable across all 

956
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,300
Industries across tall. 
Skinny this week, turn the 

957
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:59,000
stripped down version. 
It's not yet available, but it's

958
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:01,500
we've tested and tested would 
love it. 

959
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:04,700
It's we're gonna we're calling 
it forever dangerous. 

960
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:07,500
Our core flow training at the 
flurries did Collective is 0-2 

961
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,200
dangerous and are and we're 
bundling and with the people 

962
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,100
from engaging stuff because it's
so tightly together. 

963
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,200
And I'll also tell you this the 
other cool thing about in our 

964
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,800
country. 
Because the books sort of a ski 

965
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,000
diary, right and and what the 
the the disadvantages of sounds 

966
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,800
boring. 
And it's not, it's a fun 

967
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,200
adventure story than I and I 
really, I work my ass off on my 

968
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,100
writing to make sure it was 
really gripping cool. 

969
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,200
But it's the first time I did it
that way because nobody's ever 

970
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,500
done Book on a plaid Peak 
Performance and applied people, 

971
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,700
Foreman's aging, like what does 
it look like on a daily basis? 

972
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,500
And, you know, I don't know 
you've ever tried to train 

973
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,100
anybody in the and stuff you 
think about. 

974
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:52,300
But Like the hardest thing 
always is to sort of explain the

975
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:53,900
checklist. 
This is what it looks like day 

976
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,200
after day. 
And you know, the other thing 

977
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,300
that's really hard to explain is
all people performance and 

978
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,000
people, fermentation as you 
know, it works like compound 

979
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,900
interest, right? 
A little bit today, little bit 

980
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:05,600
tomorrow and the really big 
benefits start showing up in 

981
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,200
three months or six months or a 
year or two. 

982
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,800
And that's really hard to 
explain to people and it's hard 

983
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,200
to believe from the outside when
we put the front end, starting 

984
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,400
your journey. 
So I wanted to show people 

985
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,100
exactly what it looked like all 
the way through. 

986
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,300
As well. 
So that that I think is one of 

987
00:52:21,308 --> 00:52:23,900
the cool things I got to do in 
this book that I haven't been 

988
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,400
able to do in any other and I 
love that minute. 

989
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,500
You said, you had been skiing 
your whole life and then you 

990
00:52:29,508 --> 00:52:33,900
were able to acquire these Park 
skiing skills within a season, 

991
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,700
would you have written the book,
any differently in the context 

992
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,700
of those who have zero momentum 
towards the thing? 

993
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,100
They're trying to excel at? 
It's like if you had never skied

994
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:46,000
a day in your life and trying to
do this like because it's still 

995
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,200
totally applicable, Is yet 
absolutely likeable? 

996
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:55,000
Um, well okay, let me might not 
be totally believable. 

997
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,300
This skiing the very you, but if
you're in advance from an 

998
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,700
advanced beginner. 
Yeah, and you probably could 

999
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,800
start at the very beginning. 
All we did is so I have to tell 

1000
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,100
you a couple idea. 
Couple of the key things that 

1001
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,100
led to our experiment. 
The first is this idea of 

1002
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,400
allostatic load? 
Are you familiar with that term?

1003
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,700
I've heard it, but no means 
Define it. 

1004
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,600
Allostatic load is just 
physiological and psychological 

1005
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,200
impact of trauma, over time. 
Okay. 

1006
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:27,100
And so, what we realized is, so 
most people, the challenge 

1007
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:29,500
skills. 
Sweet spot is about five 

1008
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,400
percent. 
Meaning the challenge of the cat

1009
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,100
who pay the most attention to 
ask, when, the challenge map 5% 

1010
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:37,700
greater than our skills in older
adults. 

1011
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:42,500
And and really older here is 
whenever sort of attitude of 

1012
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:45,000
old, whatever your brains going 
to say, hey man, you're too old 

1013
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,100
for this shit, right? 
When I put that start showing 

1014
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,300
enough, some people have 30, 
some people have like 20, some 

1015
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:54,100
people, it doesn't show up till 
60 or 70 plus, you know, 

1016
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:55,700
physical injury is a real big 
deal. 

1017
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:58,900
If you've been injured in the 
path that'll impact a little is 

1018
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:02,100
right. 
Well we just sort of went hey we

1019
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:06,100
think adults the challenge goes 
sweet, spot of shrunken. 

1020
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:08,800
And people don't even know it. 
We think it's about 1 to 2 

1021
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,400
percent. 
So what we're going to do is 

1022
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,800
we're going to do what we did. 
Is we took Park skiing and 

1023
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,100
snowboarding and we broke it 
into eight. 

1024
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,800
National movements a slashed 
grind, a Crouch jump a 180 

1025
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,300
skiing backwards or riding 
backwards switch skiing or 

1026
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:30,900
switch riding as its called. 
I'm in a 360 and the goal wasn't

1027
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,600
to teach people the new tricks. 
The goal was to teach them these

1028
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,400
novel motions to, they could 
creatively interpret terrain 

1029
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,000
features and we taught them to 
look at it terrain Park. 

1030
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:45,900
Not as a look, that's a giant 
job and you know, I gotta hit 

1031
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,100
that but oh look That's a big 
mound of snow with a bigger 

1032
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,800
Mound on top of it. 
What can I do with any part of 

1033
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,300
it? 
So creatively interpreting 

1034
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:57,500
terrain features, using these 
new body motions, that's 

1035
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:00,700
creativity. 
We teach them to motions a day. 

1036
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,500
Tell them to start with 
something they could do 

1037
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:07,800
automatically with zero fear. 
No conscious interference, 117 

1038
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,900
lat, and everybody is an 
intermediate skier or 

1039
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:12,600
snowboarder can hockey stuff. 
They turn their body sideways 

1040
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,700
and stop. 
It's a foundational skill. 

1041
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:17,100
You learned it as an advanced 
beginner. 

1042
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,900
Our. 
And if you change the angle of 

1043
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,900
the terrain, right? 
If you go from flat ground to a 

1044
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:28,200
slight Hill, you've moved from a
hockey, stop into a grind or a /

1045
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,400
depending on where you put your 
hips and your shoulders, 

1046
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
basically. 
So we knew everybody could do 

1047
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000
that and we said, okay, build on
that one inch at a time with 

1048
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,400
just one new motor pattern and 
creatively interpreting the 

1049
00:55:39,408 --> 00:55:43,100
terrain feature. 
And we knew a couple like three 

1050
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,900
or four or five like 
experiences, they're going to 

1051
00:55:45,908 --> 00:55:47,500
get a lot of pattern. 
Ignition. 

1052
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:49,600
They're going to a lot of 
dopamine in the, that'll drop 

1053
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,500
them in the flow flow, underpins
Peak Performance. 

1054
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,300
Everything will get jacked up 
including learning and a bunch 

1055
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,400
of other things that we were 
using to teach them. 

1056
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,500
And the flow statement self 
would take care of the 

1057
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:03,300
progression. 
And it did though that 

1058
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,300
methodology can be applied 
anywhere. 

1059
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:08,100
Right? 
Does it doesn't matter what 

1060
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:09,900
you're doing. 
It's the same methodology. 

1061
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,300
Got you in your own personal 
life? 

1062
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:15,900
Is there a specific skill set 
that you have no foundational 

1063
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:17,400
background? 
And that you are wanting And 

1064
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,300
we're keen to improve upon and 
basically put these principles 

1065
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:23,300
into practice with something 
totally unrelated to what you've

1066
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:25,800
done thus far. 
Yeah, I'm actually. 

1067
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:32,800
So you want to have as many 
entrances into flow as possible 

1068
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,200
as you age, right? 
You don't want to get locked out

1069
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,600
of flow. 
You want to have more and more 

1070
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,600
access to flow. 
So in do that, I've teaching 

1071
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,700
myself how to park scheme, which
gives me a million new entrances

1072
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:48,000
and flow rather than just Big 
Mountain skiing. 

1073
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,900
So like that's one thing I'm 
rekindling. 

1074
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:57,900
I'm a degree in Fine Arts from 
30 years ago and I was okay sort

1075
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:00,900
of sketch artist but I've Dove 
back in. 

1076
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:05,400
I've been drawing that 15 to 20 
minutes today, I spent the 

1077
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,700
entire morning getting my ass 
kicked by. 

1078
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:11,300
How do you draw feet by the way?
Because today's project and I'm 

1079
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:15,000
kinda just suck at it and I got 
my and you asked him. 

1080
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
I starting something that I have
zero experience. 

1081
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:24,000
No skill, I am teaching myself 
piano, and I like I'm really 

1082
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,600
musically challenged. 
I tried to learn three different

1083
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,700
instruments over the years and 
failed miserably, but this time,

1084
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,300
it's just 20 minutes day until I
die. 

1085
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,300
And hopefully I'll get there. 
I like him. 

1086
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:39,100
And you get to send me an email 
with your with your foot sketch,

1087
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:40,300
so I can put that in the show 
notes. 

1088
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,100
Oh God! 
They're terrible. 

1089
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,700
Also in that cab actually said, 
Daddy, I can't do it, but 

1090
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:48,900
they're so bad. 
I mean, you really truly bad. 

1091
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:52,000
It's amazing. 
I've been trying to draw this 

1092
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,200
one image for like 15 years. 
It's a kid eternity Duncan for 

1093
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,600
Great Oak. 
Great graphic artist great 

1094
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,000
comic, book artist drawing and 
it's got a body of whim of you. 

1095
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,400
See the bottom of the foot and 
about is that a tote a gun and 

1096
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,900
I'm trying to draw this thing 
for 15 years. 

1097
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,700
I can't get the Foot Right in 
finding was just like, okay, I'm

1098
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:14,900
breaking it apart. 
I'm going to spend the next two 

1099
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:17,500
months doing feet. 
Hey man. 

1100
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:19,500
I'm getting no doubt that you 
will perfect the foot at some 

1101
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,900
point for sure. 
I don't I don't I don't know 

1102
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,700
Butthead. 
At least I could be able to 

1103
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:26,700
sketch it so it's not 
embarrassing. 

1104
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,300
There you go. 
And I've got one final question 

1105
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:32,900
for you and I kind of want to 
dive into the animal sanctuary. 

1106
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:33,700
Man. 
You mentioned that earlier. 

1107
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:35,700
I love to kind of just flesh 
that on greater detail. 

1108
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,200
What was the motivation behind 
that? 

1109
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:42,900
Yeah, bunch of different 
motivations but I'm a lifelong 

1110
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:49,900
animal geek and I when I met my 
wife, she was doing dog, rescue,

1111
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,100
mmm. 
And it was, I have been doing 

1112
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:56,500
everything from, you know, 
volunteering for, you know, 

1113
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,700
rainforest Action Network, kind 
of, you know what I mean, I was 

1114
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:02,300
all over the place and I was 
writing a lot as a journalist, 

1115
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:06,100
but the stories and things like 
that and I was actually running 

1116
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:08,500
a different nonprofit. 
At the time, I sort of believe, 

1117
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,000
I believe that. 
Part of your life, should be 

1118
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,300
serviced. 
And I think for me, I that 

1119
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:17,000
became really important because 
I knew I was going to like, it 

1120
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,400
was I wanted to this very 
strange strange strange idea 

1121
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,500
that I could not only just make 
a living writing, I can make a 

1122
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,800
good living writing, but to do 
that, I sort of knew I was going

1123
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,900
to have to become a well-known 
writer and I had a bunch of 

1124
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:35,200
friends. 
I grew up in a very funky art 

1125
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,900
community. 
A lot of people got famous out 

1126
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:39,000
of the community. 
Lot of video rock stars and what

1127
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:42,700
A lot of people I'd known a very
long time turned into jerks. 

1128
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:45,500
They got famous and became 
jerks, you know, I wanted to 

1129
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:48,200
guard against that and I didn't,
you know, I look at those folks,

1130
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,700
I was like, got there not didn't
start out very different than 

1131
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:51,800
me. 
You know what I mean? 

1132
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,800
It wasn't like you could look at
them at all. 

1133
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,200
That's logic. 
Narcissistic ego Mania waiting. 

1134
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,900
You know what I mean? 
Like they work. 

1135
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:01,500
Just like everybody else and 
then something shifted. 

1136
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:05,500
So I didn't think I was I was 
special so I decided I wanted 

1137
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:09,000
part of my life to be service to
guard against that. 

1138
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:12,400
And with when I met my wife and 
she was doing dog, rescue, it 

1139
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,500
was just perfect because I all 
the other stuff I was doing, I 

1140
01:00:15,508 --> 01:00:18,300
have to leave my house and if it
dry was living in that Los 

1141
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:21,400
Angeles, become a drive, all the
way across Los Angeles to like 

1142
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,500
sort of do my, the volunteer 
work. 

1143
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,800
I was doing and it was just 
crazy. 

1144
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,800
And I realized that I could make
work with the animals in my own 

1145
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,300
home and you know, be a little 
uncomfortable all the time but 

1146
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:37,000
you know, save myself he's like 
hold a Interruption to have 

1147
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
dinner options and it worked for
me. 

1148
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,300
Me and you know, so we found a 
graphic a Chihuahua which was 

1149
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,800
this is also the origin of a lot
of the longevity stuff so we 

1150
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,500
don't just do not a rescue 
Sanctuary. 

1151
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,500
It's a Hospice Care Sanctuary 
where we focus on, like the 

1152
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:57,400
worst of the worst. 
So if you're a elderly Chihuahua

1153
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:03,300
with an abusive past three legs,
one, eye cancer, heart disease, 

1154
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:05,900
Main and Excellence. 
You are dog. 

1155
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:11,800
And We saw the worst of the 
worst hospice hospice stuff on 

1156
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,800
this where our Focus has always 
been those of you who like 

1157
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,100
working with and weave in our 
facility treated helped over 700

1158
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:22,300
animals directly and Pastor our 
facility, about 5,000 to our 

1159
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:27,000
Outreach programs and that we 
have a very cool healing 

1160
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,400
methodology, longevity 
methodology, that's very based 

1161
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,500
on a lot of the ideas, the 
canine versions, many videos 

1162
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,600
with the doctor about today and 
our dogs come to us. 

1163
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,100
They get checked out by a vet 
That really actually great fats.

1164
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:42,200
And usually that's in the 
beginning, they would say things

1165
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,000
like hey don't get too attached 
to this dog. 

1166
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,900
Is really sick to be dead in 
about a month. 

1167
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:49,200
Not that at all, we're doing 
here, riding it with a very 

1168
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,500
great depth, right? 
That's the job and they have 

1169
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,300
these animals would live for 
three, four, five more years in 

1170
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,400
part of our protocol involves 
taking dogs off leash, on 

1171
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,700
Backcountry hikes. 
So this is not like, just 

1172
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:02,800
wasting away for three or four 
or five more years. 

1173
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,300
They're like Bentley hiking. 325
miles a day in the backcountry, 

1174
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:13,000
And so we were seeing these 
incredible longevity turnarounds

1175
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,600
in our dogs. 
I started asking questions like 

1176
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,000
why is this happening? 
Could have happen in humans and 

1177
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,800
that sort of stuff and this was,
you know, 15 18 years ago. 

1178
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,500
And that was sort of the 
beginning of the of this kind of

1179
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:31,300
work for me, I like men, like 
it, when people, you know, for 

1180
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,600
people listening for is what is 
the single best thing? 

1181
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,600
The general population can do to
make an impact. 

1182
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,700
With regard to like the dogs 
that are wanting up coming to 

1183
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:42,300
you. 
Like how can people fight 

1184
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:48,700
against that on a so. 
Um, the there are two big issues

1185
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:53,900
and there's one simple answer. 
The answer is adopter adopted a 

1186
01:02:53,908 --> 01:02:56,300
if you're going to if you can 
kind of get a dog in your life 

1187
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:59,700
get a dog out of a shelter. 
Don't get a dog from a breeder. 

1188
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,400
The problem in a map of the 
problem is that we have known no

1189
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,700
breeder laws. 
So anybody who wants to can 

1190
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:09,500
breed dogs? 
Her money and does not. 

1191
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:13,600
And we euthanize 10 to 20 
million dollars a year in 

1192
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,000
America, it's a holocaust. 
It's a Slaughter, it's insane 

1193
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,400
and it's because there's no 
regulation on the Breeders and 

1194
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:27,100
there's no, there's no mandatory
Spay/Neuter laws and there's a 

1195
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:30,300
lot of politics around both of 
those things. 

1196
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,100
And, you know, apologies are 
outside my Lane. 

1197
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,100
I don't, I don't do but I don't 
do that. 

1198
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:38,500
Um, but so, what you can do on a
A daily basis. 

1199
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:41,200
As you know, if you've been 
together, good a dog adopt. 

1200
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:45,600
Makes sense makes sense. 
I love it man. 

1201
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:48,800
I love, I love your book. 
I've actually get your book bold

1202
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,900
on my bookshelf and when I knew 
we were having this pain case 

1203
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:56,000
like man, that that name sound 
so familiar and I was looking 

1204
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000
and I looked through all your 
prior books, and that one pop 

1205
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,700
that like shoot, that's sitting 
right there, my bookshelf. 

1206
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,200
So that's great. 
I'm glad you enjoyed bold. 

1207
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,700
Yeah man. 
I've enjoyed everything else. 

1208
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:05,800
It wasn't fun book. 
Yeah. 

1209
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,600
I'm excited about the concept 
you're talking about today. 

1210
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,700
With Flo, I think this is very 
applicable to everybody. 

1211
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:13,600
I feel like people need to be 
Playing this in all aspects of 

1212
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,900
our life. 
And I really like the concept of

1213
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:24,200
just simply pursuing Mastery in 
some form or fashion on some 

1214
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,600
level at every year of your 
life. 

1215
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,700
I feel like that we let me tell 
you what, let me close with one 

1216
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:31,600
final thing because yeah I dig 
this. 

1217
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:36,800
There's a bunch of weirded flow 
come from right and most people 

1218
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,800
believe it evolved out of 
Runners, right? 

1219
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,700
We used to run down our prey and
if you got a little A pain 

1220
01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:46,300
killers or a little performance 
application along the way, you'd

1221
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:49,300
be able to run farther get 
longer than it also shows up 

1222
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:51,100
during kind of fight or flight, 
right? 

1223
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,600
Like in those moments roughly 
very similar. 

1224
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:58,500
So that was sort of like how it 
got into US originally, but it's

1225
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:03,100
now believed that flow is 
actually a signal of Mastery and

1226
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:06,100
we're doing something and we 
drop them to a flow State. 

1227
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:08,800
It's a signal that we've 
mastered sort of the level of 

1228
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,400
skills that were at, it's the 
body. 

1229
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:14,500
It's Like, coming from an 
evolutionary perspective. 

1230
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,300
It's good to know when, you know
something, right? 

1231
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:21,300
You don't want to go there 
first, tiger hunt, if you don't 

1232
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,100
know how to wield a spear 
properly, it could have very 

1233
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,500
fatal consequences, right? 
That sort of thing. 

1234
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:30,800
And so one of the reigning 
theories about why flow is 

1235
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,200
persisted for so long. 
And what's it doing? 

1236
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:36,900
One of the big thoughts is it's 
the signal of Mastery. 

1237
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:40,700
I like that, I like that. 
Yeah Mastery I mean I don't know

1238
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:43,800
the pursuit of Mastery I think. 
Is I just love. 

1239
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,900
That was the most fun. 
Yeah it's webbing. 

1240
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:48,200
Is the most fun you can have 
here, right? 

1241
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:50,800
And I always tell people like 
why would you do something? 

1242
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,200
If you couldn't be best in the 
world at, it doesn't mean you 

1243
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,600
have to be best in the world 
that I've been. 

1244
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,400
You better want to try hundred 
percent man 100%. 

1245
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,400
Well, Stephen I've thoroughly 
enjoyed the conversation. 

1246
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:04,100
I'm going to dive into your most
latest book, nor countrymen read

1247
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:06,200
that. 
What can people go to find out 

1248
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,600
more about you and just dive 
deeper, man. 

1249
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:11,600
Yeah, so as it with the web 
server mention earlier in our 

1250
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,200
country.com, that'll get you 
everything in our country, 

1251
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:20,000
everything me Steven kotler.com.
And if you're interested in 

1252
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,400
flower flow, turning all that 
stuff, flow research, 

1253
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,200
Collective.com, beautiful. 
I will link out to all those. 

1254
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,300
That will be in the show notes 
along with your foot drawing, 

1255
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:32,000
and it'll be great, man. 
Protects man. 

1256
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:34,600
Thank you. 
Nikki about your eyes and like 

1257
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,600
is there even when I can said 
it's not terribly embarrassing. 

1258
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:42,100
There's one. 
But yeah, I'll send you a page 

1259
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:43,800
at the bad foot drawings. 
It's fine. 

1260
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,200
Awesome. 
And appreciate your brother. 

1261
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,100
Have a good man. 
Bye.