1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,500 Hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes, he does have his.com 2 00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:04,000 today. I've got special guest, Tanya 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,500 Pennington on the line and we dive deep into DNA testing. 4 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:10,900 She does a DNA testing clinic group with her clientele. 5 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:14,000 So we dive really deep into what to look for with different 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,400 tests. What those precursors could 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,000 indicate and how epigenetics and lifestyle design and factors are 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,200 going to play the major role in how those genetics or 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,300 Illustrated in your body. So thoroughly enjoyed that 10 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:29,300 conversation. We dive into hormonal health and 11 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:33,200 how to to use the genetic testing in tandem with blood 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,400 work and hormones to really, truly optimized ones, being so 13 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:38,800 thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,000 Tanya is a wealth of knowledge. I've always enjoyed interacting 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,400 with her at various conferences. She is brilliant. 16 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,700 I've got no doubt that you will take something from this and be 17 00:00:47,708 --> 00:00:49,800 able to apply it to your own day-to-day life. 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,100 So without further delay, sit back relax. 19 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:54,500 Enjoy the conversation with Tanya Pennington. 20 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:07,500 We are live 10 you, how are you doing, great. 21 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:08,900 How are you doing? Robert, I'm good. 22 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:11,300 I'm good. Do people ever say, Tanya, is 23 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:14,700 that bother you? My name is Tanya and I said, 24 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,600 Tanya. So I'm the Man to answer your 25 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,800 question. It doesn't bother me. 26 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:20,900 It doesn't. Okay, that's good. 27 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:23,000 It doesn't bother me. Yeah, I think, you know, it's 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 interesting. I just had to fill out. 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,600 I had to write my name out, phonetically. 30 00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:31,000 So that, when my name is announced Oz, you know, they say 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:37,500 it right and I thought and so I put thah@n Dash y. 32 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:40,600 Uh, and I thought you know, I guess maybe my name is kind of 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,500 spelled wrong be because like there's it I've seen it 34 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:46,500 dispelling with a no and that to me makes sense like Tanya you 35 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:47,800 gotta know when they're with an a. 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,800 It's like taenia. So I don't know. 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,900 But yeah. No it's yeah. 38 00:01:51,900 --> 00:01:54,600 It is Tanya but I do get tan. Yeah, quite often. 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,300 All right. Well you will never ever get 40 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,800 Tanya from me again. How are you Les? 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,900 We saw each other was, I guess this passkey token, right? 42 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:05,200 Yeah, it was this past keto Khan. 43 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,500 Yeah. And I was trying to think of the 44 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:10,900 last time I was on your podcast, and I actually think it was 45 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:15,100 like, I think it was 2019. And the reason I think it was 46 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,000 that year is because I think we touched on the fact that I was 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,200 about to run a 30-mile Spartan Race. 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,100 I do think that is correct. That was 2019. 49 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:26,800 That's that's crazy. Yeah, I ran that race at the end 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,400 of 2019. And so we talked at some point 51 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,400 before that That which is not. Wow. 52 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Well, a lot has happened your life since she doesn't 19. 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,600 I'm assuming a lot, A lot has. Yeah. 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,500 Well, let's dive into it. What is the? 55 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,200 So people listen to this, definitely go back and listen to 56 00:02:41,208 --> 00:02:46,800 that first podcast with Tanya. But what hasn't happened since 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,600 then? That you've been? 58 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,300 They've been dive into it. When I say akito-kun, you were 59 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:54,100 like this awesome Booth you had. I mean your booth was rocking. 60 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:56,200 I mean you had like all the displays you been doing a lot of 61 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,000 DNA and Homo panels lately with your clientele, right? 62 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:02,000 I have Yeah, I have. And that's a lot of what I 63 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,500 talked about at Key token. You know, thinking back to that 64 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:11,000 podcast. I think that I was, I had been a 65 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:13,600 functional nutritional therapy practitioner at that point, 66 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,500 maybe for a year or two. And I had just started getting 67 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:20,500 into lab testing as a restorative Wellness 68 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:22,900 practitioner. And I'm still doing both of 69 00:03:22,908 --> 00:03:27,500 those things, but I also had at the time my brick and mortar 70 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:31,400 store. So I just sold that July of last 71 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,800 year. So I had that for a total of ten 72 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,400 years and 101 brick-and-mortar, like what I was included, but 73 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,100 then so that was a supplement and nutrition store. 74 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:45,600 It was called Total Nutrition, which there are total nutritions 75 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:49,900 all over. However, this it was completely 76 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:52,500 individually owned and operated. So I wasn't, I didn't end up 77 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,200 being affiliated with any of the other told a nutritionist, but I 78 00:03:55,208 --> 00:03:59,300 had that for ten years, I probably was done with it at 79 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:02,100 eight years. And I don't know, maybe that 80 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:05,300 happens for a lot of businesses, but my life had just my business 81 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:07,900 life had kind of started going in a different direction that 82 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:12,800 just, I wasn't spending the amount of time at my store that 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,900 I needed to. And so, and luckily, I had a 84 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:20,600 great staff but the opportunity came in July of last year, to be 85 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,900 able to sell. And, and so, I jumped on it, and 86 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:25,900 it's just been amazing to open up my plate for some other 87 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:29,200 things. So, I'm a hormone in Fat Loss 88 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,100 specialist For women and I use DNA and blood chemistry both to 89 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:38,700 help mainly women over 35 who are looking to lose stubborn, 90 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:42,300 wait to get their energy back, you know there's a whole slew of 91 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:45,700 symptoms but those are generally end up being, you know, the top 92 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:50,000 two that women come to me with and know. 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,500 I do this through my DNA reset for fat loss program, which I 94 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,400 launched three times a year. I'm just wrapping up one class 95 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,800 right now. That began in In January, the 96 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,300 next one, we launched in April but we actually start working 97 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:08,200 together in May there's a little time in there between launching 98 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,300 it and starting because you know but he's got to get their lab 99 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:14,000 testing done and it mainly I have a history of working with 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,900 with women one on one. That's really what my entire 101 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:20,600 practice has been is a one-on-one model but one of the 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,100 things that has changed you ask what's changed in my life? 103 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,800 One of the things is I'm currently in the process of 104 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,400 obtaining my doctorate in clinical nutrition. 105 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,800 So I mean that really Fills up my schedule. 106 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,800 And so I actually had been out on a bike ride one day and God 107 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,900 just downloaded an entire program to me and said, here's 108 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:44,600 how you can do it. And so I just, I took out my ear 109 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,200 pods. I was listening to some podcasts 110 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,900 at the time started talking to my husband, we talked the rest 111 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:52,400 of that bike ride, on the way home, because I just had to get 112 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,700 all of this information out. And then I went to work and I 113 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:58,800 created this program but my background, which I think we 114 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,700 probably talked about A lot about in the last podcast but my 115 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:04,600 background began in the health and fitness industry. 116 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,900 When I was competing in figure, competitions and dating back to 117 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:11,300 2002. So you can do the math on how 118 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:14,100 old I might be. And, and then I switch to 119 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:16,800 competing in CrossFit, competitions running half, 120 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,300 marathons running, Spartan races anywhere, from 3 to 30 miles and 121 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:23,700 doing really well, and all of these things. 122 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,600 But after so many years of doing all of this, I ended up finding 123 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,400 myself. Self being diagnosed with 124 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,500 adrenal exhaustion. And and when that happens when, 125 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,800 when you really have done this to yourself, I did it to myself 126 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,100 other. There's other implications that 127 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,400 come from that. So I ended up with a hypothyroid 128 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,500 diagnosis. I had low testosterone low 129 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:50,500 progesterone. I was losing hair. 130 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:53,000 I was gaining weight. I had no energy. 131 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I had no motivation. And that's one of the important 132 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,700 things to know is a lot of times. 133 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:00,600 It's okay. If you have Both thyroid. 134 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,800 You know, why where did that really stem from? 135 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,400 So, that's one of the things that we look into. 136 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,600 But here's what I should point out. 137 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,800 I should rewind that getting to this diagnosis was not easy 138 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:15,800 because my conventional doctor told me that my labs were all 139 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,400 normal that all she said to me, actually I should she didn't 140 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,400 just say my labs are normal. She said I wish I had your Labs 141 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,000 because you're going to live to be 100 years old. 142 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,000 All you. All you need is some vitamin D. 143 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:29,700 Your vitamin D is a little low. I was actually dead. 144 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,400 Ava stated at that point, because I felt horrible. 145 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:34,400 And the reason I had gone in there is because I felt 146 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,100 horrible. So needless to say, I started my 147 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:40,600 own Journey found a functional practitioner, who did not live 148 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,700 in my state who ended up diagnosing me with, with 149 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:47,300 everything that I named earlier, and I began my own healing 150 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:50,500 Journey. So, so today, I do less 151 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:53,700 competing in things. I still enjoy being active. 152 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:56,100 I do a lot of mountain bike riding with my husband. 153 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:58,700 Most recently I've taken up dirt bike. 154 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:02,600 Riding with my Just for fun and I trained at our home gym but 155 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,300 it's I really, I'm not competing in any one thing at least at 156 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:09,200 this point in time. And so it was really through my 157 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,200 own healing process that I was able to create a roadmap to help 158 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,900 other women who are in my shoes to get my same results and I 159 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:23,200 basically step in where their doctor steps out. 160 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,900 And so yeah. So those are a lot of the women 161 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:27,400 that I work with it. They've kind of been through the 162 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,700 mill with with their doctors already. 163 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,500 D. Yeah I think there's definitely 164 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:35,000 a threshold to what typical Western medicine provides. 165 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,600 And oftentimes the solution is much further beyond that 166 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,600 threshold. Yeah, yeah. 167 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,100 And there's a time and a place for it, right. 168 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:42,799 Yeah. Totally. 169 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,300 Of course need Western medicine but but maybe perhaps we are 170 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:49,700 going to our Western medicine doctors for the wrong things. 171 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,900 Yeah, I agree when it comes to like knowing what you know. 172 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:57,300 Now I mean you're a badass by ever since the word like you've 173 00:08:57,300 --> 00:08:58,900 competed in multiple different events. 174 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:01,800 You've done the, the Competitions, you've done the 175 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,200 Endurance Sports, the strength and conditioning Sports, the 176 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,500 agility sports, like you've done all that stuff which is very 177 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:10,000 impressive. So people like you like me that 178 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,800 are very, you know, type A go get them, do everything be 179 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,100 intense? Go all out like that. 180 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:20,400 Oftentimes comes at a cost. I mean that's what cost you the 181 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,400 adrenal fatigue and led to the thyroid condition. 182 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:27,200 How would you go about filling that cup? 183 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Checking that box of doing all those intense? 184 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,300 Sports in a way that doesn't cost you. 185 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:37,800 Your health, like, is there a way to do that in a sustainable 186 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,600 manner? That doesn't, you know, down 187 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,900 regulate your thyroid and cause any hormonal issues and doesn't 188 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,000 you know take some years off your life. 189 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:49,700 I do think so. And you know what? 190 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:53,200 I think that one of the things that could have given me some 191 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,300 great Insight if I had had this in my 20s, when I was starting, 192 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:02,300 all of this was honestly to be able to run a DNA test because 193 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:07,000 when I take a look at my DNA results, it's so interesting. 194 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,500 My DNA results tell me that I am a very average athlete. 195 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:14,300 Okay. Like that that my athletic 196 00:10:14,300 --> 00:10:18,100 ability is just not. About average. 197 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:20,700 Now, does that mean I can't do amazing things? 198 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,800 It doesn't mean I can't do amazing things. 199 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,900 I did. And I mean, and I really did 200 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:26,400 very well at all of these things. 201 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,000 My 30-mile Spartan Race. I finished second in my, in my 202 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,700 division, you know, I generally would take Podium. 203 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:40,100 However, if I knew that, okay, I'm not necessarily meant to be 204 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:44,500 elite and any of these things and furthermore my DNA tells me 205 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:49,300 that recovery for you Tanya is exceptionally important beyond 206 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:52,200 the average person. Then I could have said okay so 207 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,100 if I want to take on these Endeavors I need to make sure 208 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,700 that I am focusing. Even more. 209 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:04,200 So on my recovery right? Which is is my sleep making sure 210 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,700 that I'm getting enough calories making sure that I'm doing all 211 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,600 of those things so that I can continue to do this but 212 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,600 admittedly Robert especially back in my figure competing 213 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,400 days. I was working 10-hour Days by 214 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,500 myself. I don't know, I said about 215 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:21,700 myself. I was working 10-hour days 216 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:23,400 living by myself is what I was gonna say. 217 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,300 I had two dogs and I would go to bed. 218 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,500 Around 10:30 11:00 because you know you had to get in that 219 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,500 extra cardio session before going to bed. 220 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:36,400 So I would get to bed around 10:30 11:00 and I kid you not I 221 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,500 wake up at 3:30 to get my first workout in because I had to work 222 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:45,200 out you know this probably 40 minutes from home get back. 223 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,800 Be able to work a 10-hour shift. I mean I was doing nothing for 224 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,200 my recovery. I absolutely thought I was 225 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,800 invincible in my 20s, for sure. So I think that and not 226 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,000 everybody's going to have information about their DNA nay 227 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:05,000 but I think that focusing on your recovery can allow a person 228 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:08,200 to do more. Yeah, totally agree. 229 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,000 And I feel like in regards to like, I like to think of any 230 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,400 type of intense sport, there's like a yin and a Yang. 231 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,200 Like you can't go 100% all out, a hundred percent of the time 232 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,600 but you can do that. If you have if you allow the 233 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 pendulum to swing in the other direction from a recovery 234 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,100 standpoint, I bet that's the reverse diet to the competition 235 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:30,500 prep so to Speak. And I feel like a lot of people 236 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:33,300 don't I mean realistically you should probably spending be 237 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:37,200 spending more time in that building recovery, caloric 238 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,000 Surplus, you know, State then in the utmost intense State and I 239 00:12:42,008 --> 00:12:44,300 feel like many people fail to do that. 240 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,300 Absolutely. And especially with can 241 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,700 competing. And I was guilty of this myself. 242 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:53,900 I think people do too many shows in a year. 243 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,800 Yeah, because we're is that recovery between shows. 244 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,100 So when it comes to diving, you know, on an individual level 245 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:04,600 into one's DNA, to figure out what their genetic makeup is 246 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,100 going to, you know, best position them for, as a return 247 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:10,800 as it pertains to recovery. Like what are you looking for? 248 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,700 Because a lot of people will go to like 23andMe, get some, you 249 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:17,600 know, generic, you know, genetic Test and it'll spit out. 250 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Some very, very high level. Often time, superficial Insight 251 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,200 like hey you shouldn't do well with fat or you need to you 252 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,700 don't process caffeine very well or something like that. 253 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:29,400 That's just not really actionable. 254 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,100 So what are you doing? That's different than those 255 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,100 superficial high level. Yeah, oftentimes generic 256 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:37,700 templates. Yeah, you know there's those 257 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:40,800 like the 23andMe and then you also have some DNA companies who 258 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,400 say, you know, give us your saliva. 259 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,900 And we're going to tell you exactly what your super Odds are 260 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:47,600 we're going to tell you exactly what you shouldn't eat. 261 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,000 But there actually isn't clinical evidence, at least, not 262 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,300 yet for a company, to be able to spit out that detailed of 263 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,800 information on your foods. And so, one of the things I will 264 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:02,100 say is be careful of a company. I think that over promises on 265 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:04,500 things like that because it actually isn't technically 266 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:07,100 possible yet. Is there even a legit company? 267 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:09,600 That does any of that? Like, like, what is the best one 268 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,100 that you know of? Because if like a lot of the 269 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,800 bull or scamming my people getting scammed right now, It's 270 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,800 true. It's and as you know, it's like 271 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,800 all they have to do is scroll through Instagram and then 272 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,800 somebody's trying to sell them, you know, you know, but 273 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:24,200 different topic. But like a never really well 274 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,000 right, which I'm also not a fan of and so. 275 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,800 So there's so many things out there. 276 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,300 And it's so enticing to think that you can get a list of 277 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:34,700 exactly what you should be eating. 278 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:39,200 I mean, that sounds amazing, but there just isn't enough clinical 279 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,500 relevance yet. So I did a lot of research into 280 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:44,200 different companies in the one that I settled on. 281 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:48,000 Who I really like is 3x for genetics, have you heard of 282 00:14:48,008 --> 00:14:49,500 them? I haven't but I'm going to 283 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:52,200 Google them while I'm talking to here so that I can be sure to 284 00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:54,500 look them up later 3x for genetics. 285 00:14:54,700 --> 00:15:02,900 Yep. 3x for genetics. They will only do report on DNA 286 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:05,800 where I mean there is so much clinical evidence that it can be 287 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,500 backed up time and time again. And so, and what they do is you 288 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:12,200 send in your saliva sample. And I can't remember the exact 289 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,200 numbers, but they take so many. Different variants. 290 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,500 They don't run all of them quite yet, but any of the variants 291 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:23,300 that they have, that they know that they're researching that 292 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:27,200 they may come back around and have more information on. 293 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,300 They'll keep that information on you so that you could then get a 294 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:33,500 new report without having to then send in another saliva 295 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:36,000 sample then. So, I love that. 296 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,200 And so this particular company, what they do is they actually 297 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,200 give a report to each person with Some different topics. 298 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,600 You're going to learn about your cellular, Pathways your 299 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,000 cardiovascular, health, your energy, which your energy 300 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,600 section, really tells you if you have trouble losing weight or if 301 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,900 you don't, and it's pretty spot-on. 302 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:05,200 It actually tells you are you made to live in an apocalypse. 303 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:10,700 I for one. Am I actually make fat very like 304 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:12,300 a professional? That's one thing that I am a 305 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:19,700 professional at is making fat I do not utilize my fat for energy 306 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:21,800 very well. It's all very interesting and I 307 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,100 have known throughout my entire life that I had to work harder 308 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:29,700 than the person next to me and this kind of gives me the answer 309 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:34,800 and you go oh okay and here's why it actually tells you, you 310 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,000 know. Do you need more recovery than 311 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:43,700 the next person? Are you more likely to be good 312 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:47,900 at Sprinting and you know powerlifting or are you more 313 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:52,200 likely to be better at you know, endurance type training, are you 314 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,800 prone to injury? And it's just so interesting 315 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,900 because time and time again, we get these results and and, you 316 00:16:57,908 --> 00:17:00,700 know, I talk with clients about them and they go, oh my gosh, 317 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,900 I've always had joint issues, I've always had. 318 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,000 And so an important thing to mention here is that when you do 319 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,800 get these results, it doesn't mean necessarily that you are 320 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,200 destined End for being overweight, right. 321 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,800 It doesn't mean that you are destined for any of these 322 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,700 things. This has everything to do with 323 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,700 our epigenetics and so I have known my entire life that I have 324 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:28,500 a harder time than the person next to me. 325 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:31,400 And so of course, throughout my entire life, I've done something 326 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,900 about that, right? It's your lifestyle epigenetics 327 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:36,700 are your, your lifestyle, are you going to turn these genes 328 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:38,300 on? Or are you going to turn them 329 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:41,700 off? And and so that information is 330 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:44,900 incredibly valuable and what's not Nice. 331 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:48,800 I think that probably one variant that people hear often 332 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,000 about is the MTHFR, Gene variant, okay? 333 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,100 Now, that's great. You can get that information on 334 00:17:56,100 --> 00:18:01,000 your DNA report, I for one do have that variant but then you 335 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,600 take a look at your lab work. You take a look at your blood 336 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,700 work, your blood chemistry. And you say okay, my DNA says 337 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:12,000 that I am likely not to methylate very well, but am I. 338 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,000 And then your blood work will tell you. 339 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,600 If Homocysteine as elevated well yeah in fact you are not 340 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,400 methylating well at this point in time and so that blood work 341 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,600 kind of gives you that real-time information so that you can see 342 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,900 if your DNA is actually having an effect on you know, the 343 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,300 symptoms that you are experiencing and there's not any 344 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:34,300 company that's doing both those in tandem, right? 345 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,800 So like your work when the client like you're having them 346 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,300 go through this 3x for getting that documentation but then 347 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:42,800 you're the one that's analyzing their blood work in tandem with 348 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,400 that data. Yeah. 349 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,400 So so to answer your question, I don't know of a company who does 350 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,300 both and so yes. I what I actually do is I order 351 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:57,200 a bunch of 3x for text test kits and I send them out. 352 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,100 To all of my clients, individually with their, welcome 353 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,300 packet, and everything else that I give them, because when they 354 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:06,900 are registered under me, I get their results into my 355 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:10,300 practitioner online portal, which gives me even further 356 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:13,800 insight into their DNA beyond what they're going to get 357 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,800 through. PDF God you got you okay? 358 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:19,800 That makes a lot of sense and then for blood work like it when 359 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,000 you get your their data back and you can say okay I need to check 360 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,800 from a blood sample, blood panel standpoint, if they're methylate 361 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,800 incorrectly or whatever then you just follow that up and have 362 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,900 them take certain certain blood Labs. 363 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,900 So every person is soon as once I launch my launch, my program, 364 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,900 everybody is signed up, they all go into their portal and they 365 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:43,400 have what's called pre-work and that's when it kind of tells 366 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,400 them, here's what? Going to do the first week. 367 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,800 One of the things is you're going to go to LabCorp and 368 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,900 you're going to get your blood draw. 369 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,200 So they'll have a requisition form that I have sent them. 370 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,200 So I order a very comprehensive blood panel on everybody so they 371 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,100 go in, get their blood drawn there. 372 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:03,800 They know they're going to receive their 3x for test kit 373 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,500 from me. They'll get that in the mail 374 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,300 swab, their cheeks, send their saliva in. 375 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,800 And then that way I am, receding all of their results. 376 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:15,500 Gotcha, and you only work, Females you work, with both male 377 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:19,000 and female. So I mainly work with females. 378 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,300 But I'll tell you this now in my past working with clients 379 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:26,700 one-on-one, I've worked with both in this particular program, 380 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:28,600 I'm only working with with females. 381 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,900 However, what has happened is the women have come back and 382 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:36,000 said, okay, is there somebody else that you can recommend? 383 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,300 Or are you willing to take on my husband because he wants to do 384 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,200 the same thing that I'm doing right now? 385 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,800 So I actually am putting together. 386 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:46,100 I'm not going to have a Group program for men, kind of the 387 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,600 feedback I'm getting from them as they don't necessarily want 388 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,400 the community but they do want the, you know, the answers and 389 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,800 the protocol. And so I am setting up a way for 390 00:20:56,500 --> 00:21:00,500 men to be able to do the testing through me for me to interpret. 391 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:04,000 And then I actually send them a loom recording about all of 392 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,300 their results. What's going on in their bodies? 393 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:08,200 And then here's what your protocol is. 394 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,600 So I am setting that up. I'm going to sign up for that 395 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,700 bad boy, because I want to hear the results for sure. 396 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,300 It's pretty fascinating, Robert. It's I think that people love 397 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:22,600 learning about themselves, but when you can really learn and go 398 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,500 oh, that makes so much sense for me. 399 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:29,300 You know, I take a look at my DNA and I say, of course I was 400 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:33,500 diagnosed with adrenal exhaustion, of course, today I 401 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:39,900 have to focus on keeping my stress levels down on a daily 402 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,600 basis. There's actually a variant that 403 00:21:41,608 --> 00:21:46,700 will tell you whether or not you're likely to Lee to gain fat 404 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:50,500 when you're stressed. Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's 405 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:53,700 super viable information. I feel like there's been a lot 406 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:57,400 of pushback for people from people against testing their 407 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,300 DNA. Like, I don't know if it's 408 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,800 because they're concerned that the government's going to get 409 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,900 their information and clone them. 410 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,600 I'm not really sure what's going on there, but I feel like I've 411 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,500 heard that too and I'm in this, I'm in the same. 412 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:08,400 I'm where you are. I'm, I don't, I don't know 413 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,800 exactly but I figure they have all the information on us 414 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,400 already anyway. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm 415 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,100 at and I feel like nobody wants to close On me anyways, I'm 416 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:18,900 aware of I don't feel like I'm that valuable of an asset to the 417 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:21,300 government. May be a man who knows but I 418 00:22:21,308 --> 00:22:22,800 feel like from a genetic standpoint. 419 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,100 Like it just simply equips you with more data more information 420 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:28,500 that you can then make actionable decisions with him. 421 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,500 It's the kind of the same thing as like people don't like 422 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,300 stepping on the scale and I get the reason people like stepping 423 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:36,300 on the scale by the end the day. Like I tell all my clients, 424 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,500 look, it's just simply data, it's not good or bad, it's just 425 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:42,600 a numerical value that you can then act upon, and make 426 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,400 decisions accordingly with like It's not a inherently good or 427 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,800 bad thing and I think genetics pretty much the same way. 428 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Like it's not inherently good or bad, it's just simply dated that 429 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,400 you can then act upon It, you're so right and one of the main 430 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,900 conversations I have with my ladies, prior to even showing 431 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:02,600 them, their results is, I tell them, here's what I want you to 432 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,800 know your genetics, your DNA, what you're going to learn about 433 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,700 yourself is not your destiny and and I show them my results 434 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:15,000 because if somebody were to look at my results, never having seen 435 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,800 me before and they know something about DNA, they're 436 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,800 going to guess that I'm not just overweight but that I'm obese. 437 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:26,700 I mean that is My DNA says and so and because I'm able to stand 438 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:28,700 in front of them, not being that way. 439 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,100 My whole point behind this is, some women are going to get 440 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:36,500 these results and they are already going to be in a place 441 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,400 where they want to lose a lot of weight and I don't want them to 442 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,800 feel that. Oh, well, of course, I'm this 443 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,500 way. This is how I'm always going to 444 00:23:43,508 --> 00:23:47,700 be because that's not it at all. This particular company. 445 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:52,000 Any, any DNA that they run any variance that they're going to 446 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,900 tell you about? Out, you can do something about 447 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:59,000 every single one of them. This is not a medical DNA 448 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,200 company that's going to tell you about specific diseases that 449 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,700 you're likely to get. Yeah. 450 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,400 And there's that's a good point. I feel like you know, like 451 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,500 people don't test because they don't want to know, which I 452 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:12,300 don't think is great. But I think at the same token 453 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:16,000 the inverse of that is equally bad which is like people test. 454 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,900 They see a you know a genetic predisposition that they're more 455 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:20,900 likely to gain weight and they just kind of like lean on that 456 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:24,200 as a scapegoat as a reason not to Act, according to work 457 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000 against that happening. Like, it's like, there's two 458 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,800 edges to that sword, like people, you know, they don't 459 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,300 need to look at that data, as something that's inherently 460 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,000 going to dictate their future. Like it's just simply a 461 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,500 precursor that they can then change in form through 462 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,500 epigenetics through their lifestyle decisions. 463 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:46,700 Absolutely 100%. What about the act in three Gene 464 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,400 to act in three? I think that's right, acronym? 465 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,200 Right? Acting three, you know, I don't 466 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,000 know. I actually it's so interesting. 467 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,100 Can you bring that up? I had just written that one down 468 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,500 recently because I've been going through the clinical guide to 469 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,200 making a spreadsheet with all of these. 470 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,500 And I know I just wrote that one down on my iPad notepad. 471 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:09,200 Yeah, it's, I've had a few clients that have that. 472 00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:15,400 And like if, if you get the double x snip for the actin 473 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:20,700 three Gene, you're supposedly less able to build muscle from a 474 00:25:20,708 --> 00:25:23,000 hypertrophy standpoint in. Your recovery is hindered. 475 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:27,700 So I didn't know if you had any if you had had clients with that 476 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,200 snip and kind of what what you what the conversations of the 477 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,000 dialogues been like with them, I do and But I'm going to have to 478 00:25:36,008 --> 00:25:38,300 look that one up. I think that's right. 479 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:41,000 I think that's right. I couldnt 880 see in three. 480 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,900 I think that's right maybe I'm wrong but I mean I kid you not I 481 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:48,100 just wrote that one down but the nice thing about all of these is 482 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:50,500 that again, there is something that we can do. 483 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:54,800 And so what's nice about these reports is that they also say 484 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,800 okay so if you have, you know, if you have this variant here is 485 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,000 what you're going to want to stay away from here, is what you 486 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,600 are going to want to focus on. You know, it's interesting. 487 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,600 There's a part of me that is almost I had said earlier that, 488 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,300 you know, if I had had these results back in my 20s, perhaps 489 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,600 I could have, you know, not been diagnosed with adrenal 490 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,400 exhaustion but at the same time I'm so grateful for everything 491 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,200 that I did in my athletic Endeavors that I think I 492 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,300 probably wouldn't have applied myself as much because my DNA 493 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,100 says I'm so average. Right? 494 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,400 Yeah, totally. And so I think that with these 495 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,200 specific it's never about Specific variant. 496 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,400 It mean you really have to look at so many different variants 497 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,800 and that's what this company does is they take so many 498 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,200 different variants and they go because of all of these it leads 499 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,500 to this it's never about just the one variant. 500 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:54,000 Yeah, 100%. And I feel like a lot of people 501 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,800 like a lot of these generic. I don't even know how they get 502 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600 some of this information, like they'll have your data and then 503 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,300 like when it comes a lot of the food recommendations, I think 504 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,800 they're basing those recommendations off of Of what, 505 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,200 you know, the heart American Heart Association recommends 506 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,700 more so than the actual genetic data. 507 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:15,500 So I think, looking at the data as data objectively and seeing, 508 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,100 you know what, that snip predispose you for is the only 509 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:24,300 way to go when I agree with you completely, when it comes to 510 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,200 adrenal fatigue, adrenal exhaustion. 511 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,500 So that's a term that a lot of people in the evidence-based 512 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:35,700 Community, push back on. They say there's no such Thing 513 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,300 as adrenal fatigue. It doesn't work. 514 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:40,600 That way nonexistent. I'm assuming you're not in that 515 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,800 camp. I'm not. 516 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,800 Now it's not an actual. There's no conventional 517 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,700 medicine, doctor, that is going to give you a, you know, an 518 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:52,500 adrenal fatigue or exhaustion diagnosis. 519 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:55,400 Of course they're going to wait until they see, you know, 520 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,800 something like Addison's disease which is now non-reversible. 521 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,800 Yeah. But you know, the warning signs 522 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000 prior to getting there is not anything that they are going to. 523 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,000 To acknowledge for sure. So what is that? 524 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,300 Like, what, what comprises adrenal exhaustion? 525 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:14,600 Like how does that look from a lab standpoint? 526 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600 From a, what kind of phenotypes are you illustrating? 527 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,200 Like, what does that look like for people? 528 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,300 So when I was working with that particular practitioner, and we 529 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,200 had done. And again, this is another thing 530 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,900 where it's never just one thing she had, run my labs, and my 531 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:38,400 sodium was incredibly low. In my potassium was incredibly 532 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,400 High. My that and those two are 533 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:49,600 generally going to point toward an under production of cortisol. 534 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,000 If it were opposite, if you had a higher sodium and a lower 535 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000 potassium, generally it's a hyper too much of a production 536 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200 of cortisol. And then my cortisol, my 537 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,500 salivary panel backed that up my cortisol production in the 538 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,700 morning, so you should have this Colonel Rhythm throughout the 539 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:11,500 day of cortisol and so it should be highest of course at rise and 540 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,300 then it drops to a lower level around noon. 541 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,900 It drops to an even lower level around 5 p.m. and then of course 542 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:22,000 it should be at its lowest level around you know 10 p.m. to 543 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,500 midnight in my diurnal. Rhythm was a tries, I was 544 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,700 bottomed out completely around noon. 545 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,600 I was still low around 4 to 5, I was still low and then around 546 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,700 10. To 10 p.m. to midnight. 547 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,100 I was then high. And so you often see this 548 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:44,100 dysregulation of cortisol levels, my diurnal Rhythm was 549 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,400 completely off, which explained the not sleeping at night. 550 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:51,000 I mean it was and if I did happen to fall asleep, I could 551 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,300 easily be woken up. Yeah. 552 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,700 So when you get that diagnosis, when you get that feedback like 553 00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:00,700 what are some things that you changed in your life instantly 554 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,400 to fix and correct course, So it's funny. 555 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,600 I do I feel that I actually do more now than I did at that time 556 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,800 as a preventative. So that I don't end up there 557 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,100 again, because I'm so predisposed to it at that time. 558 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,800 I cut out coffee, I completely, I cut down on my training. 559 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,600 I was making sure that I was sleeping. 560 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,200 I mean, I did like the complete opposite of the lifestyle that I 561 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,200 had been living, at that time, prior to that, I I was training 562 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,400 no less than three hours per day and sometimes even twice a day. 563 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:45,900 So I really pulled back on that. And so I would do maybe 23, Max 564 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:52,200 days of weights and in between that would be still movement, 565 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,300 but something like yoga. It could be as simple as 566 00:30:55,300 --> 00:31:00,000 stretching doing the sauna. Just things to kind of bring me 567 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,000 down into my State. Now today, I still do those 568 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,700 things but I incorporate even more, you know, breathing 569 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:15,700 exercises, which dramatically can change, you know, your HRV 570 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:19,600 which at the end of the day changes, your heart rate 571 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,700 throughout your day when you can see these things happen. 572 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:24,600 Right? Before your eyes, if you can 573 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,500 focus on, making sure that you are getting into your 574 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,000 parasympathetic State, I actually had A scare recently, I 575 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:43,400 say recently, this was in October of last year and I had, 576 00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,200 it was just such a bizarre experience, Robert. 577 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,500 But it really showed me that I had been going back in the wrong 578 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:54,500 direction again. And I got a headache one night, 579 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:59,100 and it wouldn't go away. And I even ended up taking 580 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,300 ibuprofen, which I generally don't, but it had gotten to the 581 00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,300 point. Where, you know, you just had to 582 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:10,100 and it didn't take my headache away and I had this headache for 583 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:15,900 five days in a row. My heart rate was elevated. 584 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,500 My heart rate was actually over 100 beats per minute, for almost 585 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,900 all of those days. And I had been in contact with 586 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,300 my different functional medicine doctor than the original one. 587 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:34,300 But one that I'm really close with and he had sent me to 588 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,700 urgent care to get some things checked out and they did. 589 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,100 I mean, all they ran all of these tests. 590 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,800 They did an EKG had me pee in a cup and, you know, and nothing 591 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,100 was being found finally over the weekend. 592 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:46,300 He said, Ed, I need you to go to the emergency room because we 593 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:49,900 need to rule out an aneurysm. He said it's unlikely but we 594 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,100 need to rule this out. And so he wrote that up for me. 595 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,700 I went to the emergency room, nine hours, I spent in there all 596 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:58,500 the tests that they ran, again, they ended up. 597 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,800 I mean, this is almost embarrassing for me honestly to 598 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,900 tell this story, he ended up saying we need to test you for 599 00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:07,300 meningitis. Hmm. 600 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,100 Do you know how they test for that? 601 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,400 I do not have the test. Uh they do a spinal tap. 602 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,300 Okay, not again. And so I mean, you know, I'm 603 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,800 going to say no. And so so I said, okay? 604 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,800 And so they do that, and of course, everything's perfectly 605 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,000 fine. Clear liquid. 606 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Okay. So I leave in the same 607 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,800 condition. I've been there, nine hours, we 608 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400 come home. And I tell my husband I just 609 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,800 could not get comfortable in bed. 610 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000 Can you rub my neck? I just, I got something I need 611 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,300 rubbed out. He rubs my neck for 20 minutes 612 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,500 and he says, I've never felt your neck this way before ever. 613 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:46,000 I don't What's going on? After 20 minutes, Robert 614 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,100 headache was gone. Heart rate back down to 65 and 615 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:52,100 everybody lived happily ever after wowee. 616 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:55,300 You like prior to that, where you increasing your training? 617 00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:56,900 Getting less sleep under more stress. 618 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:58,900 Like what was the what was the cat I will? 619 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,400 I will say more stressed. It's so my graduate program had 620 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,000 started not too long before that I was creating a program. 621 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,600 I was, I mean, I was literally, I can't even say this was due to 622 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,500 training. This was from my laptop. 623 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,100 Yeah. This was from my laptop and I 624 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,800 remember thinking. So, interesting, a few days 625 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,300 prior to even getting the headache. 626 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,900 I have this thought in my mind, that you've been looking at your 627 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:27,600 laptop too much, like I literally told myself that I 628 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,900 felt like I was stuck in my sympathetic state. 629 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,800 It was, it was so strange prior to this headache. 630 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,000 Like, I knew, I had the red flags and I just didn't pay 631 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,400 attention to them. And so, you know, and then all 632 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,900 of this fell through went through. 633 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,199 And I thought I've In stuck in my sympathetic State. 634 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,800 And because my neck muscle was so contracted because of how I 635 00:34:49,808 --> 00:34:53,100 was looking at my laptop. However, many hours a day, my 636 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,400 body thought, oh, she's Contracting better, give her the 637 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400 heart rate, she needs to run, right? 638 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,900 Because she's clearly in a stressed State and Never again, 639 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600 yes, not good. You gotta you never again and so 640 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,500 daily. I focus on getting into my 641 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,400 parasympathetic State, and this is a lot of what we cover in the 642 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,600 program to, because there are so many people living in this 643 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,700 state, and they don't even know it because we've really 644 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:26,000 increased our Baseline, rest State, and when we think we're 645 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 resting, we're actually not resting. 646 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:31,500 So what are some tangible things that you do daily? 647 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,500 Now, to ensure that you spend time in the Pathetic state. 648 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,100 So every morning I start out by literally. 649 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:42,300 I'm not allowed to look at my phone or anything for hours 650 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,900 after waking up. So for me, my Bible studies is 651 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,600 my thing. So, I do Bible studies for about 652 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,900 an hour, I then we'll spend a little bit of time, allowing 653 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:57,000 myself to read a book that I'm learning something from, then I 654 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,000 cold plunge, which is the, which I are, you guys still doing cold 655 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,200 plunging? Yeah, every morning. 656 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,400 Okay, what am I? Absolute favorite forms of 657 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,000 hermetic stress. I feed my dogs, I work out. 658 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,200 I mean, I literally have this kind of this morning that takes 659 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,500 a few hours that allows me to just like arrive at my day. 660 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,900 So that, by the time I'm checking emails, I've already 661 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,200 set the tone for my day and not, somebody else who's needing 662 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,900 something from me. And then I set my alarm on my 663 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:31,600 phone for every few hours and every few hours I have to do 664 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,200 something that brings me into Parasympathetic State and that 665 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,400 can be a breathing technique that can be sitting in our. 666 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,800 We have a massage chair at home which I highly recommend. 667 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,200 I'll sit in massage chair for 20 minutes. 668 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,900 Sometimes I just hang from a bar, just allow myself to just 669 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:49,700 completely hang. Allow my body to completely 670 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,300 relax. I'll go for a walk even a 671 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,400 15-minute now. The whole point of these walks 672 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,400 when you are trying to get into your parasympathetic, state is 673 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,300 not to take a brisk. Walk, it's actually to do 674 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:04,300 something. That's completely 675 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,500 counterintuitive and it's really to just kind of like Mosey 676 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:14,200 around and just kind of feel the the breathe that your skin, feel 677 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,300 your feet, hit the ground, notice things around. 678 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:22,400 You just sort of brings you back and then when you get back to 679 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,700 doing the work or the things that you're needing to do, 680 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:28,100 you're actually more productive and see. 681 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,600 I was caught up, I was getting caught up again and oh I've got 682 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,600 to get this case study done. I've got to get this. 683 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,200 Project done. I was going to take a break 684 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200 right now, but if I get started on this sooner, then I'll get 685 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,900 done faster and that's a lie. You actually get done faster. 686 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:45,100 If you can take some time away to get back into your 687 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:49,300 parasympathetic State come back and your focus is so much better 688 00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:53,600 than if you had just Tried to power through the whole time. 689 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,400 Yeah, I completely agree. Do you have like a use, a 690 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,900 standing desk? Uh-huh, I'm standing right now. 691 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:02,400 Yeah, yeah, I think that's a game changer to because like, I 692 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,500 spend so much time sitting in front of a computer as well, and 693 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,300 it's just like, I get up and move and then I to think that 694 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,400 not having, you know, not looking at your phone or any 695 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,700 screen. First thing in the morning is 696 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,900 key, I've been waking up and then I'll read a chapter in my 697 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:20,800 book on the floor with the so right, you know, you've met with 698 00:38:20,808 --> 00:38:22,800 the so right device. Yes, yes. 699 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,800 Yes. I'll just lay on that and 700 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,900 stretch out my. So as muscle while I read that 701 00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:30,600 first chapter of a book and it's like that I think is simple as 702 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,500 that is. I think that definitely helped a 703 00:38:32,508 --> 00:38:35,600 lot and doesn't it sound so simple. 704 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,500 Yeah, super simple but not I mean I think so many people are 705 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:42,600 just so reactive like they wake up, they wake up to a blaring 706 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,500 alarm clock and then they look at their phone, check their DMS, 707 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:49,200 check their emails and I do check emails and clients and 708 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600 stuff pretty early in the morning but not before. 709 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:56,700 I read I stretched like I think that like not simply just not 710 00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:58,000 looking at your phone. First thing the morning, 711 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,900 probably the single best thing that most people can do just set 712 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:03,700 the day off, right? I agree with you. 713 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:06,700 I think that would be the number one recommendation because if 714 00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:10,300 otherwise, I mean you really are living on somebody else's terms. 715 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:11,700 Yeah. Absolutely. 716 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,900 What about sleep? Do you do anything, like, sleep 717 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:15,700 hygiene wise? That's out of the norm. 718 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,000 So I do use orange blue, blocker glasses in the blanks. 719 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,800 And so, now I use blue blocker, glasses during the day, looking 720 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,300 at my laptop which, you know, are mostly clear. 721 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:34,600 But at night, I use ones that have an Orange Hue to them to 722 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:37,000 emulate. The idea that, you know, the sun 723 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,100 has come down because I do also spend too much time indoors. 724 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,400 I really do. I just, I know this, I do try to 725 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,500 get outside, I do take my walks but but even still I'm just it 726 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:51,400 doesn't help that I'm also a homebody and Justin, like 727 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:55,400 completely happy at home. And so at night, you know, that 728 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,400 orange really allows your brain to go, oh, it's evening time. 729 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,300 Maybe I should start producing the right things in order to 730 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,800 Want to go to sleep and not something that I have all my 731 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,300 ladies do to and across the board. 732 00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:12,700 They say it's a game changer for their sleep. 733 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,000 Yeah, totally. Totally give get a pair of 734 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 glasses as well. You know, use those, I need to 735 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000 get better at use them. I haven't used them much lately, 736 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000 but I also try to not be on my phone and screens after the sun 737 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,400 goes down. Yes. 738 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:27,400 Harder. Like I'll typically wake up and 739 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,100 start using like, I wake up, you know, three or four and I'll 740 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,600 start doing email shortly thereafter. 741 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,400 So I start we but then I like ending early to because I don't 742 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,600 have any shame in saying that I go to bed at 8:00 p.m. 743 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,400 I have no shame Robert. I mean, I I woke up and looked 744 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,900 at my report from last night and said I slept eight and a half 745 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,300 hours and I thought I mean that feels like winning the lottery. 746 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,900 Yeah. Now one thing I noticed like 747 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:52,700 I've gotten worrying and my Garmin watch and my my deep 748 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,000 sleep is usually pretty good, but my REM sleep is 749 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,200 non-existent, and I think that's because since I wake up earlier 750 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,700 and most people tap into the majority of the rooms, The 751 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:04,200 latter half of their sleep phase. 752 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,300 Yes. And I'm just waking up before my 753 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:07,100 body. Next, we would. 754 00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,300 So I'm pretty much missing out on all that REM sleep. 755 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,400 Yes. Yeah. 756 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,600 What time do you say? You wake up three or four 757 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,100 depending on the yeah. Yeah. 758 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:18,100 So I think really it's usually about the 3:00 hour that that 759 00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,500 REM usually kicks in. Yeah. 760 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:24,000 But I will tell you deep sleep is I think of all of our sleep 761 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,400 is like the most important. That's, I mean, that's where 762 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,600 most of our recovery happens. Yeah. 763 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,800 If I had to pick one for sure, I'm glad that I'm getting too 764 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,800 deep instead of putting them. But I wouldn't mind having some 765 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,500 more room so because you get cooler dreams, you know, I mean, 766 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:41,400 the dreams, it's just crazy, they're just dreams. 767 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,700 You don't even want to talk about, right? 768 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,300 I know, I know, let's talk about hormones a little bit, so if 769 00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:50,600 your typical client demographic is, I think I read somewhere on 770 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,400 your like Instagram, bio that, most of your female clients with 771 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,500 35. And I'm, is that right? 772 00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:56,700 Correct? Yep. 773 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,500 Okay, so that's one thing I've seen grown in prominence, a lot 774 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,600 lately, like the Two years especially is, you know, 775 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,500 bioidentical hormones, HRT for both male and female. 776 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,800 And that's like a lot of it's pretty unchartered territory. 777 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,800 Like there's a, it's like the wild west out there when it 778 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,900 comes to hormone replacement therapy. 779 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,000 What is your take on that? Like some people like you know, 780 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,900 you used to compete. I compete like I've always 781 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,000 competed in natural Federation, so they're very incredibly 782 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,100 strict going on the Federation on not taking anything. 783 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,000 And I think there's a lot of benefit to that for sure, but as 784 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,200 you age as we've gained more insight, as to, you know, what 785 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,000 we can do proactively to prevent some of these aging phenomena 786 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,900 occur, you know, like, there's a lot of things backing up the 787 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:48,700 benefits of hormone replacement therapy. 788 00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,100 So where does one? Where does one? 789 00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,800 You know, skirt that line. So, here's where I stand on it 790 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,300 because I'm not completely against it. 791 00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:02,300 But I also do not believe that it should be our first line of 792 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:06,100 Hmm, I do not believe that you should have your hormones tested 793 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:09,100 and say, oh, I'm low on this and this and so let me go replace 794 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:11,200 them. I think that if you end up 795 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,400 there, you end up replacing that, you know, because because 796 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,300 you've done the other groundwork to foundational work and you 797 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:22,400 find that you need to what I call top off, because you're 798 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,800 still not feeling well, and we think that these particular 799 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,900 hormones can help you, then I think fine do that but I think 800 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,200 that there's so much ground work to be done. 801 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,900 First before you get into actually replacing because so 802 00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:41,900 often, you know, so often our hormones are low because of our 803 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,700 lifestyle, how we're eating things that were not focusing 804 00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,400 on. So here's what I find often 805 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,900 times, is women come to me and they come to me, for hormone 806 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:56,700 reasons, we don't necessarily do anything specifically for 807 00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,700 hormones, but because we're focused on balancing blood sugar 808 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:02,200 levels were focused on nutrition. 809 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,400 Shin will get them on a good supplement protocol not 810 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,900 necessarily supporting hormones yet but supporting some more 811 00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,600 foundational systems in the body. 812 00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:16,200 Then we retest and we find oh I've actually increased on my 813 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,800 testosterone. I've actually write a fallen 814 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,200 into into range on some of these and there are times where I 815 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,300 might have wrapped up working with somebody and they're not 816 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:30,200 technically in the quote-unquote optimal range on a particular 817 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,600 hormone. But I Ask, how do you feel? 818 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,900 I feel amazing. Well then let's not go. 819 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,500 Get you on, you know, hormone replacement therapy, right? 820 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:44,600 If you feel good. So, these ranges that are out, 821 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,600 there are certainly guidelines, but at the end of the day, you 822 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,800 have to ask yourself. You know, how do you feel here? 823 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,300 And generally once they've done so much of this work, it's a 824 00:44:54,308 --> 00:44:57,800 very small population of the women that I work with, who end 825 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,400 up actually going and getting on hormone replacement therapy. 826 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,200 I will say One thing that a lot of women do end up using is and 827 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,600 you don't have to get a prescription for. 828 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,000 This is a progesterone cream. Yeah and that's just something 829 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,000 that a lot of times I find it's usually around that 35 age that 830 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,400 progesterone begins to decrease it yet but but again you're you 831 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,400 know that has so much to do with your adrenals, you know your 832 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,600 adrenals produce progesterone but if you're living a 833 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,300 stressed-out life cortisol which your adrenals also Zeus is going 834 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:37,400 to take precedence and so that that progesterone gets lower, 835 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:42,800 that's one hormone that I find is hard to bring back up 836 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,000 compared to testosterone and estrogen. 837 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,300 Yeah, I think I think, you know, definitely doing all the 838 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,700 groundwork prior to going the right of exogenous hormones. 839 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,900 Has absolutely Paramount. I feel like some people just 840 00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,300 look for that quick fix scenario and reach for the hormones that 841 00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,100 really giving much thought to what the long-term repercussions 842 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,000 of. Would be so I'm 100% on board 843 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,100 with their. Do you think from a female 844 00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,900 standpoint? Like let's look at menopause for 845 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:10,200 instance. Like when women go through 846 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,200 menopause it becomes harder to preserve lean lean tissue and a 847 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,900 lot of times women will reach for the hormone replacement 848 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,700 therapy therapy simply as a way to preserve the the muscle that 849 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,400 they built, because as we both know, the more lean tissue have 850 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,200 them, that's like the longevity organ. 851 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,100 I've heard it described as such, so they They would benefit from 852 00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:34,900 preserving as much of that, as possible. 853 00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:40,200 Is that preservation via the Exotics hormones, going to 854 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,200 outweigh any negative repercussions down the road or 855 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,900 are they, I guess, what I'm asking is, can women truly 856 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:51,800 optimized by allowing their by to run, its natural course of 857 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,200 action without any hormones? Knowing what we know now about 858 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,700 the science? I think that I think that women 859 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,400 Through, of course. First lifting weights, right? 860 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,100 Which is going to help increase the testosterone in the first 861 00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,900 place. But with along with 862 00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:13,600 supplementation, I see women get their testosterone into what 863 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,100 would be an optimal range. You know, around that you know, 864 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:23,100 5055 Mark without having to get into exoticness testosterone. 865 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:27,400 And I think when you talk about long-term effects from it, I 866 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,600 think one of the main things is Is once you're on it, it's going 867 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,100 to be really hard to get you off of it. 868 00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:39,300 Because now, once we've got you on that exoticness testosterone, 869 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,200 your body has said, oh cool, I don't really have to make this 870 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,500 anymore, you know, she's giving it to me. 871 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:48,200 And so now, if you do choose to get off for one reason or 872 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,300 another, you lost the doctor that you are working with. 873 00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,100 I mean, hero all hear all sorts of things. 874 00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:57,500 Now, you your testosterone levels are even lower than they 875 00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:01,800 were prior to To getting on the exoticness testosterone. 876 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:06,400 One of the, there's a product that I use and now I can't. 877 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,900 I cannot sugarcoat this. This stuff tastes disgusting, 878 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,300 okay? I'm gonna just really does and I 879 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:15,800 just, you know how there's some products you can say, well, some 880 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,200 people are okay with it. Some people are not, this one is 881 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,500 just flat-out disgusting but it's just incredible in terms of 882 00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:28,300 what I see both in how women feel and how their Labs look 883 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,200 after. It for a period of time and it's 884 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:38,800 nano formulated DHEA. Plus by scientific? 885 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,400 Quicksilver scientific. Is that? 886 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,800 I think that's who it's by. But that now they've got that's 887 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,700 the purpose of this particular product is to help increase your 888 00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:54,100 testosterone, but what they use our natural to help your body 889 00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:56,400 increase your own levels of testosterone. 890 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,800 So we're not giving it synthetically. 891 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,100 It does also have some DH Hea in there, which I find that the 892 00:49:01,107 --> 00:49:04,900 vast majority of women over 35, do need because, again, that's 893 00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,500 something else that your adrenals produce, but they also 894 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:12,600 have Maka in there and I'm a huge fan of Makkah when it comes 895 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,300 to balancing our hormones in general. 896 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,700 And so, that particular product, it's one teaspoon. 897 00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,000 I have, I have women. Take one teaspoon, five 898 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,700 morning's a week, and then we cycle off and on that as well. 899 00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:29,400 You don't want to stay on it all the time, but incredible. 900 00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:33,700 V and even there are some women who don't get up to again that 901 00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:35,900 optimal range. But they find that, you know 902 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:40,700 what, I'm putting on more lean muscle in the gym and so I feel 903 00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:45,800 good and so we have to also be careful of not chasing those 904 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,000 optimal markers in the functional world. 905 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,600 Yeah, that's super key. I feel like I've seen several 906 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,000 guys that have, you know, quote-unquote low, they're low 907 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,300 on the testosterone range, you know, giving the proxy there. 908 00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:02,200 But like they They feel great. They're building muscle like 909 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,500 everything's solid. Like their recovery is great. 910 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:07,100 They're getting stronger. So like you definitely take 911 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,700 those ideal reference range with a grain of salt and also, to in 912 00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,700 the other reverse of that, like a lot of those reference ranges 913 00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:14,900 are all in the reference ranges are based off of a general 914 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:17,700 population average. And I don't think the general 915 00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,800 population that we see ourselves in now is an ideal population, 916 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,300 sample? Correct. 917 00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,500 Well, and here's the thing. I think that, you know, when you 918 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:30,300 look at conventional ranges, those of course are Like you 919 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,200 said it's based on, you know, a majority of the people and where 920 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,400 they are, but in the functional World we've said, oh no, here is 921 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,100 really where you should be and which I think is great because 922 00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,400 now we're looking at a more optimal range, but I also think 923 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,700 in the functional world, we can end up chasing those numbers and 924 00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,300 and we just can't, I actually did work with a male. 925 00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:53,400 I've probably been done with him for maybe about six to nine 926 00:50:53,408 --> 00:50:56,400 months, but he had really low testosterone. 927 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,800 I think he was around somewhere between two and three. 100. 928 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,400 And so we got him on the program, got him on some, you 929 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,000 know, some supplements. And he didn't end up retesting 930 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,400 because he just said, he felt so, I mean he felt amazing after 931 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,000 going through this protocol. I wish he would have retest 932 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,200 because I would have loved to have seen how high is 933 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,100 testosterone got, but I can't imagine that it went from, you 934 00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,300 know, between two and three hundred up into an optimal range 935 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:27,800 for his age, based on what we were doing. 936 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,500 But I think it just goes Show that that we can't change those 937 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:34,200 numbers. Yeah, and is crazy, how big an 938 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,400 impact lifestyle factors have on those numbers to, like, 939 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,200 testosterone specifically, remember getting a test, you 940 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,600 know, at the end of a prep it's obviously quite a bit lower than 941 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,800 it is at Baseline because I'm just a super depleted at that 942 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,400 point. But I also had a test not too 943 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,100 long ago, probably a year ago. Now after I'd had like a week of 944 00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:58,100 just crazy stress and like no sleep and it was in the tanks 945 00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,200 but that was also not a Be good. You know reference point because 946 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,800 I don't typically not sleep for weeks on end. 947 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,400 So like you got a really take your lifestyle factors into 948 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,900 consideration to with when you get in these blood panels drawn, 949 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,300 you do. But I also I love that you got 950 00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,900 it tested at that point. Because isn't it fascinating to 951 00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,500 actually see things play out? Oh, for sure. 952 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:23,000 I mean, it makes you realize how important sleep is like, sleep 953 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,000 is one of those things that we're always seemingly willing 954 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,200 to just, you know, kick down the curb so to speak, but yes. 955 00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,400 Once you get the tangible feedback, like, you know, you'd 956 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,700 feel tired, you know, you don't feel optimal, you know, you're 957 00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:36,400 not as strong, you're not as energized. 958 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,100 But when you can actually like look at the blood panel, I like, 959 00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:42,100 guys, like they look at their testosterone is like, you know, 960 00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,100 that that's what makes them masculine. 961 00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:45,900 Like, if they don't have a high testosterone, they feel like 962 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,600 puny, you know, side when you can not sleep for four days and 963 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,800 then get a lab drawn. See your testosterone literally 964 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,300 cut in half. It's like well shit. 965 00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:55,500 I guess I better prioritize sleep a little bit more. 966 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,600 It's true. It's so funny. 967 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,700 You say that to you in all my years of Owning by supplement 968 00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:04,600 store, you know, men would walk in and they'd say, oh, you know, 969 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,500 just want to see if you have some kind of energy pill and you 970 00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:11,600 know, just a little tired and and I and this would happen so 971 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,000 often I would say, well, have you ever considered a 972 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,600 testosterone booster? And it's like all their hand on 973 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,200 their hip. Oh, well no, I'm no good in that 974 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,400 area. It's like I am not coming after 975 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,000 your manhood, nor do. I want to talk about it. 976 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,600 Yeah. But but you know that oftentimes 977 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,100 is one of the causes of that the Teague is that that lower 978 00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:35,500 testosterone and in fact, as men get, you know, over 40 and 50, 979 00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,400 you see this transition of less testosterone in this 980 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,300 aromatization into, you know, this elevated estrogen as well. 981 00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,800 So, I mean, it's so important to have this information. 982 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,700 Yeah. 100%. And on the same token, I've had 983 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:49,700 one client. That was 55 years old and he had 984 00:53:49,707 --> 00:53:53,100 like, 11:00 told us, I don't know who's free test was but 985 00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,400 like, wow, crazy out of me. That's way higher than mine. 986 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:58,700 Wow, no money is but he's 55 years old and rocking 11:00 987 00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:01,300 12:00. Total testosterone like you get 988 00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,900 some weird outliers like that too, so it's just interesting, 989 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,900 but I think really not getting so hung up on the numbers like, 990 00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:11,400 I'm like we're centered it like use the data, you know, as a way 991 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,000 to make actionable decisions but then also really leaning to 992 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,900 being self-aware and knowing your body and how you actually 993 00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,100 feeling. So many people are not in tune 994 00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,100 with their body at all, they don't even know. 995 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,400 They're even know when they feel good because they don't, they're 996 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,200 just chronically tired. Like they don't even know how to 997 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,900 compare that. I mean, that is just one of the 998 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,800 most important aspects of. That's one of the things that we 999 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,300 really talked about through my program as well. 1000 00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:39,300 I shouldn't even say we talked about it so much. 1001 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:43,300 It just happens because of the process we go through. 1002 00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:45,900 And I take everyone who comes into the program. 1003 00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:50,100 I guide them through a 21 day detox and it's not until you can 1004 00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:54,000 kind of like what I call clear the white noise like just get 1005 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,200 some stuff out of the way that all of a sudden. 1006 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,700 Now, you're Paying attention to how you actually feel. 1007 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,800 And you're so right so many people have no idea how they 1008 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,600 actually feel because they're normal is completely off, you 1009 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,300 know, because they've been feeling a certain type of way 1010 00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:14,100 for so long that it's it's just how they feel. 1011 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,200 Even if they're tired every day. That's their normal. 1012 00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,700 Yeah. Totally, when it comes to 1013 00:55:19,707 --> 00:55:22,900 nutrition, any talk about nutrition at all here? 1014 00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:25,600 But like, when you're working with these, these clients, a 1015 00:55:25,607 --> 00:55:28,800 years to this group setting, do you find that they tend to 1016 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,500 respond better to a certain nutritional protocol or is 1017 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:33,000 everybody eating something different? 1018 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,100 Or how is that structured? So I base this off of their 1019 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,500 combined based off of their DNA results and their labs. 1020 00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:47,700 And so your DNA, for example, tells you whether or not you're 1021 00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:52,300 likely to have type 2 diabetes, that's what mine tells me. 1022 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,500 I'm fact mine says, you're very likely to have type 2 diabetes. 1023 00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,800 However, I take a look at my Work. 1024 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,000 And it says, you know, your insulin is a three, your A1C is 1025 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000 a 5.1. And so I know I'm good, right? 1026 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:10,700 So based off of that, I can decide, you know, do I, I like 1027 00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:15,300 eating keto and so if I want to eat keto, I do that. 1028 00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:18,500 But I can probably handle a little bit more carbs. 1029 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:21,900 What? I would consider a low glycemic 1030 00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:25,300 type diet, okay? However, if I'm taking a look at 1031 00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:27,900 somebody's DNA and it says, you're likely to have Of type 2 1032 00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:31,500 diabetes and then I look at their labs and they have a 5.6 1033 00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:35,300 A1C and a 12 insulin. I'm going to say for that Pete, 1034 00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:39,100 that person at least for now therapeutically. 1035 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,300 Let's use a ketogenic diet to, you know, see some change in 1036 00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:46,900 these Labs so that we can change your story. 1037 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,500 So that you don't, you know, end up with this diagnosis. 1038 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:56,000 And so, and for that person then It's such a hard thing diet 1039 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000 because I would like to say, let's just how do you continue 1040 00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,700 eating? He do. 1041 00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:03,600 But if they're not going to comply or just, they don't like 1042 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,300 they just don't like doing it there. 1043 00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:08,400 You know, thinking about other Foods, then I find a middle 1044 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,400 ground with them. Once we have gotten their Labs 1045 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,000 back to where we want them to be once their A1C is in, you know, 1046 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,700 more of an optimal range that the insulin levels have come 1047 00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,400 down. Then we can talk about maybe a 1048 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,500 more low glycemic approach way of eating. 1049 00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,100 Yeah. Use keto a lot therapeutically. 1050 00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:30,700 I find a lot of times with my ladies, they do want to add in 1051 00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:34,800 sweet potatoes. They want to add in, you know, 1052 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,800 those lower glycemic carbs and so I work with them on that. 1053 00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:40,200 Yeah, I think that makes total sense like I never want to be 1054 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,400 dogmatic towards nutrition. Like I I like strict. 1055 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,200 He do it works really well for me, but it has to be sustainable 1056 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,800 for them that they have to enjoy that style of eating. 1057 00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:56,600 I do get a lot of pushback from Mostly females that females 1058 00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:02,400 require more carbohydrates from and hormonal standpoint. 1059 00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:05,800 Because they oftentimes say that, you know, if you're 1060 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,000 consuming strict keto, without any carbohydrates, you're going 1061 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,300 to be spending more time in a sympathetic nervous State. 1062 00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,400 And you need to have some carbs to balance that out and kind of 1063 00:58:14,408 --> 00:58:16,600 relax more return to parasympathetic State and 1064 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,700 improve overall, hormonal regulation, and, you know, their 1065 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:24,100 menstrual cycle for instance. And when I've, when I've worked, 1066 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,500 Them. I often times find that that 1067 00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:29,400 dysregulation stems more. So from them just simply not 1068 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,300 eating enough in general. And if they consume a 1069 00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:36,900 well-formed occasion that with ample calories ample total fuel, 1070 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,800 all of those symptoms subside I mean is there any evidence that 1071 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,600 you've seen in working with your demographic of them? 1072 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,100 Simply like all those things equal they just have to have the 1073 00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:50,900 carbs to improve their hormonal Health you know I'm in complete 1074 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000 agreement with you Robert. I was going to say the exact 1075 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,200 same thing that you did. What I end up finding is because 1076 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,200 because sometimes, they'll say, oh well, I've been trying that 1077 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,200 diet but I'm just, I'm just still so hungry and I'll say, 1078 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,900 okay, you know what, let's have you track exactly what you're 1079 00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:06,800 eating so that I can take a look over it. 1080 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,700 And I mean I look at these Diaries at times and I'm 1081 00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:14,000 thinking, oh my gosh, I mean there are so many women, eating 1082 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:17,200 800 calories and then that's no exaggeration. 1083 00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:21,600 So here's here's the thing. If I think, what happens a lot 1084 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,700 of times with women, as maybe they just don't Like these maybe 1085 00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,100 they don't like meat enough maybe they're just and if 1086 00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:31,500 they're not willing to eat enough of these particular 1087 00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:35,400 Foods, then we have to work on. Okay, well where can we bring in 1088 00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:37,100 a sweet potato? Where can we bring in some 1089 00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,400 butternut squash? Where can we, you know, bring in 1090 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,300 some of those things that they will eat so that they do stop 1091 00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:48,000 under eating. But I think that the main issue 1092 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,800 when you talk, you know, is it going to cause hypothyroid? 1093 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,900 Is it going to cause is it, is it going to be seen as a 1094 00:59:52,908 --> 00:59:57,100 stressor? On our adrenal glands, I think I 1095 00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:00,600 think almost every time it has to do with not enough calories 1096 01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:04,800 as opposed to not enough carbs. Yeah, hundred percent agree but 1097 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,100 I like hearing you say, because you have a lot more credibility 1098 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:12,100 as a woman than I do and I work with a lot of women. 1099 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,200 Yeah. For sure not. 1100 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,700 That's, that's reassuring to hear. 1101 01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:17,700 Well, shoot, we're already an hour and I don't take up too 1102 01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:19,300 much of your time here but talk to me about this. 1103 01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:22,000 This course you've got one coming out here soon, right? 1104 01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:25,600 I do. So, I am going to be launching 1105 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,100 it in April, mid-april we're going to launch. 1106 01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:33,700 We start together May 23rd and so but I launched early because 1107 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,300 again I've got to get your DNA test kit to you. 1108 01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:38,900 I've got to get your requisition form to you, so you can get your 1109 01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:42,400 blood draw. So that I then have time to 1110 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,600 interpret all of these results. By the time we get started 1111 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,800 together in May and so, you know, one of the things that I 1112 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,300 just did recently is I sent A group of ladies, a feedback form 1113 01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:56,700 on the program. Like, I want to know all of it. 1114 01:00:56,700 --> 01:00:59,000 What did you love? What did you not like what, you 1115 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,600 know, what can make it better. And so one of the things that 1116 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,800 gosh, I'll say 90% of the women are still some women who are 1117 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,900 sending forms in but so far, 90% of the women have said because I 1118 01:01:10,908 --> 01:01:13,300 said, what would you recommend to? 1119 01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:15,900 You know, somebody coming into the program or thinking about 1120 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:20,100 coming into the program and they said that its intense. 1121 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,300 So many of them said, it's an intense pain. 1122 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,400 I love hearing this from them, you know, I'm just putting this 1123 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,900 program together and I just want to give everything, right? 1124 01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:31,600 Everything that I know. And so I thought, you know what, 1125 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,800 when I launch it again I'm going to make sure that these women 1126 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,500 prior to coming in know they know what they're getting in 1127 01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:40,300 for. Like this is an intense eight 1128 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:43,500 weeks and I do want you to be at a place in your life, where you 1129 01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:48,500 are ready to soak everything in for the eight weeks that we are 1130 01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:52,300 spending this time together. You know, this program is not 1131 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,100 Not really for somebody who's just kind of starting to get 1132 01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,100 into, I want to, you know, figure out how to lose some 1133 01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:00,800 weight. It's not going to be for that 1134 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,300 person. It really is going to be for the 1135 01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,500 person who's they've been trying things. 1136 01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:08,100 They've been to the doctor their labs are quote, unquote normal 1137 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:11,700 but they just, you know, don't have the energy, they're gaining 1138 01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:13,900 some way. Maybe they're having hair loss, 1139 01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:15,400 they're getting the lower belly pooch. 1140 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,800 Just kind of all of those things that you don't know where to get 1141 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,300 help. Those are the women who come 1142 01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:23,900 into this program. Yeah and then we just hunker 1143 01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:28,000 down and I teach every single week I go live with you. 1144 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,400 We all need. Of course everything's recorded 1145 01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:33,600 uploaded into your portal so that you can watch it later when 1146 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,800 necessary. And my guide you through the 21 1147 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,000 day detox that we do together. And we just really Implement so 1148 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,800 many lifestyle interventions. And what I say to the women is 1149 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,800 this one of the things I say is I want you to catch a few All's 1150 01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:56,900 I am going to be throwing so many balls at you, but it's kind 1151 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,700 of like, you know, if you're in a tennis court and there's that 1152 01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:01,400 thing which I don't know what it's called, but it's like 1153 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,000 shooting balls out that you're supposed to hit with the racket. 1154 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,400 But if I'm if I tell you go in there and catch as many balls as 1155 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,300 you can just decide that you're going to catch three because you 1156 01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:14,400 know that you can catch on to those balls and hang onto them. 1157 01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:16,100 Just let all the other balls go by. 1158 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:18,700 If you try to catch every ball that I throw at you, you're not 1159 01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:20,600 going to end up catching any of them? 1160 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,200 Because you're going to keep dropping other balls. 1161 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,900 So while it is an intense program, I tell the ladies to 1162 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:30,500 choose the things that they can grab on to start to make those 1163 01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,500 things a part of their daily lives. 1164 01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:35,900 And once those things become just like, brushing your teeth. 1165 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,600 Now, choose a few other balls that you can grab onto and, and 1166 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,700 Implement. And so, all of that being said, 1167 01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:46,600 I've designed this program where women can go through it time and 1168 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,700 time again. Do you need to continue 1169 01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:50,700 optimizing? Your health come back into the 1170 01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:53,000 next program. Let's In your Labs. 1171 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,600 Let's get you on a new protocol. I mean, I have so many women who 1172 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,500 were in my current program, they're already on my waitlist 1173 01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:04,800 for this program coming up in May and so so it's just designed 1174 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,600 to keep going. I love it. 1175 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,500 I love it. How do you like the group 1176 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:10,600 setting compared to when you were doing the one on one? 1177 01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:15,900 Here is why I like the group setting because I'm able to 1178 01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,800 teach so much more. When I was doing one-on-ones, I 1179 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,200 could only meet with women one time per month. 1180 01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:26,000 And yeah, that's not enough. Yeah. 1181 01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:28,900 Yeah, It's Tricky. I mean, like the like, I've 1182 01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:32,400 always done one-on-one and I like one-on-one, because I get 1183 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,100 really deep with that individual. 1184 01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:37,800 But I like I think I'll probably always do the one-on-one 1185 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,600 because, like, when I'm working with competitive athletes that 1186 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,100 are stepping on stage, like like that, it's very individualized, 1187 01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:44,500 like, their macros are all uniquely. 1188 01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:46,100 Everything's very different for that individual. 1189 01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:49,800 But I'm thinking about rolling out, some type of group coaching 1190 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,200 format as well and it's not like going to be me, you know, 1191 01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:54,900 calculate their macros or anything so much. 1192 01:04:54,900 --> 01:05:00,300 That is I want people to be able to lean into one another and 1193 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,600 have the format to follow. Because I think there is a 1194 01:05:02,607 --> 01:05:05,800 strength in numbers. And I just recently, signed up 1195 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,600 for this Mastermind class with a business setting that 1196 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,800 nutritional setting but like just, then we've been able to 1197 01:05:10,808 --> 01:05:13,200 interact with other people within that group setting has 1198 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,800 been beneficial for me. So I think there's a lot of 1199 01:05:15,808 --> 01:05:18,800 value added when you have people with similar interests, similar 1200 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,600 goals in mind, all being able to kind of work together. 1201 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,600 Plus, it takes a little bit of a load off of your shoulders 1202 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,400 because Someone that knows more or follow your program in the 1203 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,600 past, like they can answer some of those questions that that you 1204 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,500 didn't have to answer. Yes, to all of that. 1205 01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:38,300 I, in fact, a lot of the ladies on the feedback form said the 1206 01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:42,600 same thing that they really enjoyed the community aspect, I 1207 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,500 think it's powerful. Now one of the things I did 1208 01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:50,700 offer going into it I thought what I was going to do is offer 1209 01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:53,900 for a handful of ladies to be able to upgrade into one-on-ones 1210 01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:56,900 with me. I ended Up not doing that. 1211 01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:02,000 Just as protection for myself in time just because of where I'm 1212 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,400 at right now with school and everything. 1213 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,300 But what I did offer is for some ladies to be able to upgrade to 1214 01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:12,400 where I did a very deep dive, like I pulled up their results 1215 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,100 and I recorded a loom for them and it was anywhere from 25 1216 01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:18,900 minutes to 45 minutes depending on how much they had going on 1217 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,200 and just sent them that information on themselves and 1218 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:27,400 every single woman who did that upgrade I loved it to learn more 1219 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,500 on themselves so I think there are things that we can do in the 1220 01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:36,600 group setting to allow it to still be more personalized and 1221 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,400 feel like you said, I like to actually have a bond with each 1222 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,400 person that I work with that admittedly was maybe a little 1223 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,800 lacking. This round one of the things I'm 1224 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,900 doing for this next round. I'm not taking as many ladies. 1225 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,200 Yeah. And that's a decision that I 1226 01:06:53,207 --> 01:06:58,100 made because I do want to To be a bit more connected with each 1227 01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:59,600 woman. Yeah, that makes sense. 1228 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,600 I think having like a threshold cap as that people are in there. 1229 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,300 Otherwise, it just becomes like a noxious Facebook group, you 1230 01:07:06,308 --> 01:07:07,400 know? You don't want that. 1231 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,400 Yes. Yeah. 1232 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,300 Which I opted not to have a Facebook group as well, for that 1233 01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:12,600 exact reason. Yeah. 1234 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:15,000 What platform are you using? We're totally going. 1235 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,700 A little business Deep dive here, but what platform you're 1236 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:20,000 using hosted all on? Well, I'm going to change that. 1237 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,700 So what I use for this program was practice better. 1238 01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:28,000 I did not like it and I and it maybe it's just me and maybe I 1239 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,300 wasn't using it properly, but a lot of the women said, it just 1240 01:07:31,300 --> 01:07:34,900 wasn't very intuitive for them. I love practice better for 1241 01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:38,900 one-on-ones. It just storing information and 1242 01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:43,100 it's just a little Hub where all my clients live, but I also have 1243 01:07:43,100 --> 01:07:46,200 because I do also have a monthly membership that women have the 1244 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,000 option to join. So, maybe you're not able to 1245 01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:51,900 invest in my group program, but you still want to work with me 1246 01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:53,300 in some capacity. I have a month. 1247 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,000 A membership. That's 37 dollars a month that 1248 01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,900 is hosted in kajabi and I'm going to do that. 1249 01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:03,500 That's actually what I'm going to do for my program. 1250 01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:05,000 This next time is move it to kajabi. 1251 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,200 I didn't think I was going to be able to but another thing that 1252 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,900 I've done for myself Robert and all of this trying to take 1253 01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:15,700 better care of myself, as I've hired an operations manager for 1254 01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:22,200 my business, prior to bringing her on, I was doing everything. 1255 01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:26,800 Anything. I mean anything you saw my bit 1256 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,800 like I was doing at all, which is why? 1257 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,100 At the end of the day, I wasn't doing enough because I'm only 1258 01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:33,399 one person. So, she is helping me and she's 1259 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,800 like, let me do this for you. And she is setting all my stuff 1260 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,300 up and, you know, checkout pages and things like that. 1261 01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:42,200 So, that's awesome. It's also, I do enjoy kajabi. 1262 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:43,700 Have you used it before? Yes. 1263 01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:46,700 Oh, my deeper State keto program that we made that I made with 1264 01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:48,800 keto connect way back and like, 2017. 1265 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,000 We originally put on WordPress and then I migrated over to 1266 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,600 kajabi a couple years. Ago. 1267 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,700 And so it's on kajabi, but then I'm in the process of building 1268 01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:01,899 out, this Behemoth of a competition, Prep course, and 1269 01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:03,600 it's going to be on kajabi as well. 1270 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,800 That's not live yet. It will, hopefully be launched 1271 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,000 in May. But I like kajabi. 1272 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,700 I think it's got and they recently just updated their 1273 01:09:11,707 --> 01:09:15,600 whole Community aspect. They good, haven't really dove 1274 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,000 into that but I'm excited to see because I didn't really like the 1275 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,600 community aspect before, but I think with the update it's got a 1276 01:09:20,608 --> 01:09:22,899 lot more functionality, their Community. 1277 01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:26,000 I She created a community for my membership ladies before and I 1278 01:09:26,008 --> 01:09:29,100 deleted it because it was just it was clunky and it was not 1279 01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:31,500 good. So, that's another thing that my 1280 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,500 operations manager is doing is looking into that the community 1281 01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,000 portal for me because hopefully, we'll be able to utilize that 1282 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,000 this time as well. You and I just, you know, like 1283 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:40,899 when we you want to get on this year, right? 1284 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,399 I'm not I won't be there this year. 1285 01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:46,300 Hope we need to just like sit down and talk business someday 1286 01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:49,600 and just like talk about courses and yeah we seem like have a Biz 1287 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,899 Dev Deep dive sometime soon. Yeah let's do it. 1288 01:09:51,899 --> 01:09:55,500 I think it's so helpful. I've Got, I've got a girlfriend 1289 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:59,000 who, you know, we just, we kind of have her own Mastermind and I 1290 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,100 mean, it's just so incredibly helpful to be able to run these 1291 01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:05,800 ideas by each other. Yeah, 1000% agree. 1292 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:08,900 Well, until then, where do people go to sign up for your 1293 01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:10,700 course? Given the waitlist dive into 1294 01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:12,900 your life a little bit more? Yeah. 1295 01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:17,200 So if you go to my Instagram account which is Tanya dot, 1296 01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:22,800 Pennington dot Miller, you can go to my link tree and you can 1297 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,300 see the Are to add yourself to the waitlist. 1298 01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:28,300 Basically, what that does is it puts you first in line to hear 1299 01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:32,800 about the program, that's who I will release the program to to 1300 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,700 begin with. And then if they're still spots 1301 01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:39,000 available, then I release it to the rest of my email list as 1302 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,800 well, but that kind of gets you first in line. 1303 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,700 Get you all the updates about it and everything. 1304 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,800 And then of course, I put info out on my Instagram as regularly 1305 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,000 as I can. Hopefully, more now that I have 1306 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,700 my operations manager and then my website is Tanya Pennington 1307 01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:55,900 milord Calm and you can learn more information there as well. 1308 01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,600 Awesome. Well I will certainly link out 1309 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,300 to all those. Make it easy for people to find 1310 01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:01,200 you. Tanya, I've always enjoyed 1311 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,800 chatting with you, I learned a ton every single time we talked 1312 01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:06,700 and I'm excited to continue this conversation from a business 1313 01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:10,300 standpoint but then also I'm gonna hit you up for from DNA 1314 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:13,300 standpoint here soon to. Yeah sounds good and thank you 1315 01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:15,500 for having me. I'm anything that ever has to do 1316 01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:18,700 with you and Crystal. I think that the two of you are 1317 01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:22,200 just two of the most stand-up people that I know. 1318 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,200 And I mean Every aspect. So it's just an honor to be able 1319 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,400 to be here with you. Yeah really appreciate that. 1320 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,400 Out of curiosity where in the world did we first connect? 1321 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,400 The how did we meet originally? Was it through Instagram or you 1322 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:40,700 know, I don't we met at I think the first-ever keto Khan was 1323 01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:42,000 that? What we first met? 1324 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,700 I think it was the first ever win in the work. 1325 01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:46,300 You do con I, so I'm an introvert. 1326 01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:50,300 Okay, so I don't ever just like go up to people and but my 1327 01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:54,200 husband is the extrovert and so he gets me To go up to people. 1328 01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:58,600 And you had talked competition and I have no idea. 1329 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,500 There was like some question and my husband was like, go ask him 1330 01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:06,500 and I'm like no way and and he's so great like I just this is why 1331 01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:10,500 God chose him for me because anyway and so I came to ask you 1332 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:12,600 a question and we had a conversation and Crystal was 1333 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,300 there and she was your girlfriend at the time and she 1334 01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:19,200 was so super quiet and it's just been amazing to see how she has 1335 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:25,800 just completely blossomed since that first time, Then I think I 1336 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,200 started following her at some point. 1337 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,300 You had her doing a competition and she was talking about 1338 01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,400 something about the week prior to the show and I offered her. 1339 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,500 I had a list for all of my athletes. 1340 01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:42,700 When I was coaching to laugh, here's a list of things that 1341 01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:45,800 you're going to want to, you know, have in your little pack, 1342 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,800 or whatever, leading up to the show that had more to do with 1343 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,100 female type stuff, right? And so then I sent her that list 1344 01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:54,700 and then I just have always Kind of stayed in contact with her. 1345 01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:58,700 And yeah, that's about it. We've really only met in person. 1346 01:12:58,700 --> 01:13:00,200 You know less than a handful of times. 1347 01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:01,900 Yeah, it's crazy. That's crazy. 1348 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,200 Well, like I said it's always awesome chat with you. 1349 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,500 I have utmost respect for you. It was great meeting your 1350 01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:12,000 husband as well, the conference I mean y'all are just killing it 1351 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,100 on all fronts, so there's ever anything I can do to help push 1352 01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,800 yells needle forward and on any shape or form just let me know. 1353 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,300 I appreciate that Robert. And likewise you bit tiny? 1354 01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:23,100 Take care. You too.