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Well, hello ladies and gents. 
Robert Sykes, Kyo, savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest 
Jake Dudley on the line. 

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He has a formal background in 
schooling in dietetics, but yet 

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he has adopted A relatively low 
carb Mediterranean ketogenic 

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carnivoresque diet for his 
client base. 

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And I really wanted to pick his 
brain and bring one of the 

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podcast and talk about what it's
been like implementing that in a

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demographic of clientele that 
are needing to lose some weight,

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especially with a background 
from a more traditional 

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dietetics, you know, community. 
So very interesting 

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conversation. 
I love his approach. 

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I love what he stands for, love 
what he's doing. 

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He's making an impact and he's 
changing a lot of people's 

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lives. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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take something from this quick 
little disclaimer though. 

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He was recording in the 
mountains and his signal was not

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the most optimal. 
So there's a couple instances 

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where the audio cut out. 
I tried to cut that together so 

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that wasn't anything missed, but
there were a couple hiccups 

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there with the audio, so my 
apologies hopefully doesn't 

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really distract you too much 
from the conversation. 

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So that further lay sit back, 
relax and do the podcast with 

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Jake Dudley 
and we are live Jake Dudley. 

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How are you brother? 
I'm doing great, Robert. 

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How are you? 
I'm good man. 

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I'm good. 
We met at Keto Con and we just 

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automatically hit it off a lot 
in common and I really am 

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excited to chat with you man, 
because you bring an interesting

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perspective to this 
conversation. 

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You are what would you describe 
your your role is like? 

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What is your career path? 
Because it's kind of in a in a 

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predominantly female dominated 
market and you're doing a lot of

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things against the grain, but 
you're gaining a lot of traction

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with it. 
No, for sure. 

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No. 
I mean to to kind of explain 

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what I do that is relatively 
unique is like you said it is a 

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very female dominated field, the
world of nutrition and 

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dietetics. 
In fact, I think last I looked 

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at the statistics, it was like 
7% of dieticians were male and 

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almost 90% of those guys work in
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main field and so to be a male 
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Primarily with weight loss. 
I feel like that definitely is a

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bit of a niche in the spectrum 
of things, and I was actually 

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wearing it the other day when I 
was in my undergrad, the the 

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ladies in my program. 
I was one of two men with about 

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45 women and they got me a shirt
that says the guy attician. 

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And it was like a picture of a 
Unicorn. 

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I like it. 
Do you think that's been a a 

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good thing for you or? 
I mean, I would imagine like 

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being a contrarian in life tends
to work in your favor because it

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just draws more attention to 
you. 

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You know, I believe there's been
good and bad. 

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Well, not necessarily bad, but 
challenges to overcome in being 

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a male in this field. 
Because I feel like with weight 

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loss being such a sensitive 
subject for a lot of people, it 

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is kind of a tough thing to put 
your trust in somebody you don't

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know. 
And I feel that you know. 

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I mean you, you and I can both 
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Men sometimes are not the most 
delicate when it comes to having

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those tough conversations. 
But I feel that, you know, being

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mostly raised by women, I had a 
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So when it came to speaking to 
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my ratios it's about 7030 split 
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populace in my client base. 
Nice. 

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What? 
What made you want to get into 

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this field in the 1st place? 
Been like, was there some 

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childhood trauma that you have 
to lose a lot of weight? 

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Like what? 
What interested you in the 

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weight loss spectrum? 
Yeah, no, that's a wonderful 

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question. 
In fact, you know, the way I 

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like to put it is that my family
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And you know, I come from a very
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and in number. 
But when I was a kid, I remember

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my mom always being on a diet. 
And, you know, this goes back to

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when I was just, you know, old 
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not a good food. 
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know, I had seen her try every 
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seen her do, like the cayenne 
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I've heard her do every Oprah 
diet that she talked about and 

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Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers, 
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And I'd seen her. 
Lose and regain the same £100 

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more times than I can count. 
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up with her because she was 
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another diet. 
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mama's boy, it's like I just 
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And so I was always like, well, 
what the heck can you eat? 

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And so from a very young age I 
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what foods were good for people,
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people. 
And my older brother, so you and

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I met at Keto Con and I 
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We kind of laughed at one of the
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cuz I was a head over you and my
older brother is a head over me.

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And so I'm the short one in my 
family here because he's about 6

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foot 10 and at his peak he's 
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And so my momma, who was my 
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young, she had the three of us 
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a single mom. 
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absolutely take a toll on her 
ability to really focus on 

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herself and her health because 
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And so when she was young, she 
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foot tall and about £165. 
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got up to somewhere in the two 
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climb. 
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stopped telling me where she was
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three 40s. 
And I've helped her in the past 

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to drop, you know, over 130 
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And she was feeling amazing. 
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But having her go through that 
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she's always going to have that 
nagging voice in her head that 

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says what if it comes back? 
And I feel like a lot of my 

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coaching ability comes from. 
Working with the toughest client

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I've ever worked with which was 
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Moms are tough, man. 
And it's weird because like I've

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got a great relationship with 
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mom is she's never struggled 
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has lost a lot of muscle and 
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But she's had multiple 
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So she's getting very frail and 
certain regards like she's had 

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multiple, you know, knee, ankle,
hip surgeries and it's been very

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tough to see her lose lean mass.
So I'm trying to being pathetic 

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and put myself in your shoes and
seeing your mother go through 

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these massive weight, you know, 
shifts gaining a bunch of 

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weight, losing a bunch of weight
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internally for not, you know, 
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And that's tough too, man. 
Like there's there's two ends of

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the spectrum and it either way, 
it's like you're watching your 

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mother go through a very trying 
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very hard position to be in, 
especially when you feel like 

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you know what it needs, what 
what needs to be said, what 

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needs to be done to help her, to
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That is is never an easy task. 
Yeah, no, you're absolutely 

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right. 
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it when we were a Ketocondas 
last year, he called it powdered

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butt syndrome, which I thought 
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It's that. 
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who has, you know, changed your 
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it's like they're going to be a 
bit resistant to taking your 

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advice. 
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brain surgeon and they have a 
question about being knocked out

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and getting a concussion, like 
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someone else's opinion over 
yours, is your mom more 

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receptive to what you're what 
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kind of still giving you a 
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I mean there there's always a 
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because it is one of those where
she's taking it as well as her 

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own personal discipline and her 
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some of the advice that I 
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It's sometimes it's it's really 
strong, sometimes she does 

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wonderful and then she gets 
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And I feel that through helping 
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lows has really helped to 
develop my patience and my 

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flexibility as a coach with 
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Helping them to kind of deal 
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it as it was with weight loss. 
But yeah, no, I one of the 

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things I tell a lot of my 
clients is that weight loss is 

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95% food, 5% exercise and 100% 
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And everybody tends to agree 
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Have you been overweight 
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experience a witness enough of 
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family that you never went down 
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So I personally have never been 
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I have been in Chubby and it 
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college. 
My wife and I had just gotten 

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married and we moved from Idaho 
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And so when we moved from Idaho 
to Texas, you know, that's a big

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culture shock because the 
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City that I'd ever lived in had 
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Quite a shift indeed. 
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different. 
And then not only that but being

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newlyweds, both trying to, you 
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When we first moved there, you 
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position as a dietitian at the 
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the big Baylor and. 
The hiring process takes a 

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minute, and so I had gotten two 
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meet. 
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the morning at a shop just down 
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and then I was flipping burgers 
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had a culinary degree. 
These are both food. 

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Related things. 
And so I went in there, 

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immediately got hired and 
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And if anybody listening would 
know, Donuts and burgers are not

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a good way to live a healthy 
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your own product there. 
Oh yeah, And with with that, you

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know, I graduated College of the
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I was a decathlete and so I was 
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And you know, when you're a 
decathlete, you're working out 

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and competing about 24 to 26 
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Gosh, I was probably eating 
somewhere between 5 to 6000 

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calories a day and I continued 
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minus the exercise for about two
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And so I went from I believe 
about 220 down to about 201 and 

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then back to 2:20. 
But it was not the muscle that I

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had put back on. 
And so I did have a little bit 

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of a gut and and like you said 
you're you're 6 what was it 6 

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what? 
About 6-2. 

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My wife won't let me be 6 three,
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But man, those those women, man,
I tell my wife that I'm 5/8 and 

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she's like, no, you're 57. 
So we just settle on 7 1/2 and 

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call it good. 
They got to keep us humble. 

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I'm telling you man, so so yeah,
I mean it's 6/2 at you're not 

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really obese at £220 even you 
carry that weight well, but like

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when you're working with your 
family and I see your brother 

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got up to 405 was his heaviest. 
He's a foot taller though, are 

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you? 
You have multiple brothers, 

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multiple siblings, or just one? 
Yeah, so I've actually got my 

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older brother and my little 
brother who so he has cerebral 

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palsy. 
And so he was another big 

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inspiration for me is because if
you know anything about folks 

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with cerebral palsy, they have a
lot of GI related conditions and

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digestion has always been one of
his kind of weak points. 

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And so helping my mom to to 
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protocol for him was another big
inspiration for the route that I

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wound up going. 
But yeah, so that. 

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So I do have. 
The two brothers and then I have

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three half siblings and I'm the 
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them. 
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like in the home when y'all 
growing up, was it pretty poor 

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nutrition, like a bunch of fast 
food, TV, dinners, things like 

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that? 
Or was it, you know, roughly 

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standard American diet, somewhat
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what was the nutrition growing 
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I would say it was definitely a 
subpar Standard American diet. 

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So it was kind of worse than 
average I would say. 

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In a lot of different 
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And not that, you know, mom 
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She did a wonderful job. 
But when you grow up in a single

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parent household, this is 
something that's often times 

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overlooked is that, you know, 
mom doesn't always have time to 

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cook. 
And when there's a McDonald's to

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your left and a Burger King to 
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easier to grab that than, you 
know, to to sit down and 

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prepare, you know, a good meat 
and vegetables kind of meal. 

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Yeah. 
And. 

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You know, thanks to that too, 
there's two things I don't eat 

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to this day, which are peanut 
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because we ate a lot of that. 
Yeah, I'm believe it, man. 

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I'm believe it. 
So do you feel like the reason 

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you were able to stay a little 
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your brother was simply because 
you were just more active 

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throughout those adolescent 
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You know, I'd say a bit of the 
activity had a lot to do with it

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and we both did sports growing 
up, but I feel that I was a lot 

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more observant. 
You know, it's like, I feel like

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as a second sibling, like, do 
you have siblings, Robert? 

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Yeah, I've got a younger 
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Okay. 
So he's probably watched you be 

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the one to put your hand on the 
stove. 

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Yeah, for sure. 
So yeah, so that was me. 

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I was always watching my brother
do stuff and seeing what he did.

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And you know, we would grow up 
in the era of, you know, playing

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Nintendo 64 and snacking on a 
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each of us having a 2 liter of 
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You know, eventually I just kind
of saw how uncomfortable that 

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made me feel eating that way. 
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him continue to do that. 
He kept getting bigger, bigger, 

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bigger. 
And I just stayed lean. 

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And there was a a joke around 
our house where when we would go

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grocery shopping, we'd get 2 
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One was for the family, one was 
for Jake, because I would 

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literally shop it in half and 
walk around eating a head of 

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lettuce because that was one of 
my favorite snacks. 

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And you know, I was actually. 
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lad and as I grew a little bit 
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like a major growth spurt at any
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inch and a half. 
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steady growth compared to my 
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middle school. 
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steady genetic response is a 
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that rather than having that big
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Yeah, I'm kind of bouncing all 
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dive deeper into what causes 
weight gain from like a familial

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standpoint that also just a 
lifestyle stamp. 

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I listen to a podcast or a Q&A 
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morning actually and it had 
several members on there talking

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about what they thought was the 
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obesity epidemic that we now 
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And it was interesting because 
some people were, you know, very

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much so taking the stance of it 
being genetic based. 

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Some people were very much so 
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environmental, like simply 
calories and calories out, move 

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more, eat less. 
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interesting perspective because 
you are in diet headaches. 

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You have come from a family that
was living the standard American

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diet, your your sibling 
siblings, your your mother were 

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overweight, yet you didn't 
really struggle with that too 

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much. 
What? 

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What do you think is like the 
main contributing factor to the 

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obesity epidemic we now find 
ourselves in? 

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Oh man. 
So I'm going to swing one out to

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left field here because this is 
definitely a subject I talk 

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about a lot. 
And by the way, whichever 

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podcast you're listening to, I'd
love you to share that with me 

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because I love hearing other 
people's perspectives. 

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Yeah, but I am of the the school
of thought. 

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We are more in control than we 
give ourselves credit for. 

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Totally. 
Based on a lot of the research, 

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you know, they say that we are 
70% of our parents or something 

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along those lines and that may 
be true. 

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But if you don't take 100% 
advantage of that other 30% like

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you were, you're cheating 
yourself. 

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And so my school of thought is 
based off of a phrase that one 

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of my old mentors told me. 
He said that the primary 

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causative factors for obesity in
America are not fast food and 

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highly processed drinks. 
He said the two primary 

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causative factors are 
procrastination and 

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sophisticated excuses. 
Because we can always put 

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something off and we can always 
make up a pretty damn good 

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reason why we're putting it off.
And until we overcome that, we 

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cannot make a change, a lasting 
change at that. 

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Yeah, yeah, so. 
I believe, yeah. 

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I think the solution is what is 
so vague, man, because I feel 

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like there's not a lack of 
information out there. 

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Like information is abundant 
more so than it ever has been. 

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Anybody can go online and and 
dive into whatever nutritional 

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protocol they want to, you know,
dig deeper into. 

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They can research any study of 
so much of this is available to 

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the public. 
There's there's no shortage of 

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outlets for physical activity. 
I don't think anybody lacks 

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motivation to get leaner and 
live a healthier life. 

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I mean that is like everybody 
wants that. 

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I don't know if it's just simply
a matter of them lacking the 

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discipline that is required to 
adhere to that level of, you 

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know, environmental factor, but 
it it's an interesting, it's an 

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interesting conundrum we find 
ourselves in because this is 

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relatively new for us as a 
species. 

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Correct. 
Yeah, yeah, not and I would 

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agree 100%. 
And you know, I I won't sit here

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and pretend like I have the the 
Holy Grail, but what I have 

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found in my practice, you know, 
I've helped to date a little 

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over 3500 people to get rid. 
Of their excess body fat and 

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maintain it. 
And what I have found to be the 

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most effective tool is 
education. 

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Because if you can educate 
somebody to make good informed 

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decisions, they will make fewer 
mistakes, they will make fewer 

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poor choices. 
And you know, I've helped 

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everybody from a 7 year old who 
was I believe 4 foot six and 

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about 180 pounds. 
To a 97 year old woman who had 

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the spirit of a 25 year old 
because when she would walk into

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the office, she had that big 
costume jewelry, she was loud, 

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she was loving on everybody and 
she had the right attitude to be

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successful. 
And I feel like that is far more

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important than, oh, I lost you. 
Can you hear me? 

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And motivation is very fleeting 
in my opinion is that we can get

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amped up and we can watch a 
motivational video on Instagram 

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and. 
That gets us amped. 

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We're ready to go. 
We're going to start our new 

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diet tomorrow, and then we 
scroll to the next video and 

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it's a cat falling into a 
toilet. 

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We just laugh and then we forget
about what we were pumped up 

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about. 
Yeah, 100%, man, 100%. 

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You cut out for a second. 
What was the thing you said 

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before? 
Motivations. 

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Fleeting. 
Oh, I believe that, like with 

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Oprah about how you know she has
all the money in the world and 

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yet she has lost and regained 80
pounds more times than any of us

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can count. 
Yeah. 

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And, you know, she talks about 
how she's been like just fueled 

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with motivation. 
And that's where I I believe 

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that motivation is fleeting, is 
that we can get motivated to do 

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something. 
And I believe there was the old 

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phrase that, like, I can do 
anything I want to do for a 

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month. 
Yeah. 

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And, you know, you can. 
You can do anything you you put 

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your mind to for a month. 
You can stick to that. 

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So then what happens after that?
You know, I believe that 

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creating a system, a system of 
practice, a system of living. 

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You know, much like the way that
you live, where you have 

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structure, you have 
accountability and you have a 

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goal and that's a system. 
I wouldn't call that motivation.

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I think that that is why, you 
know, folks like you, folks like

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me, and a lot of my clientele 
are so darn successful, is that 

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we have developed systems that 
work for us. 

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Yeah, I think one of my favorite
quotes, and there's multiple 

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variations of his quote, but the
general premise is. 

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That we don't rise to the level 
of our aspirations, we fall to 

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the level of our systems. 
And I think that is so 

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incredibly true. 
And for me, like I just have non

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negotiables in my life. 
Like I have things that I just 

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simply do not even have as an 
option. 

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Which removes a ton of decision 
fatigue and it just structures 

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my life in a much more effective
manner. 

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And then if I adhere to that 
system for long enough, it just 

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becomes habitual to the point 
where. 

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I don't even feel like I need to
deviate from. 

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I don't even feel like it's an 
extra strain on me to adhere to 

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it because it's just simply part
of my day. 

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Just as brushing my teeth is 
part of the day, going to the 

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gym is part of my day. 
Just as brush my teeth is part 

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of the day. 
Waking up early, eating a 

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structured meal, like it's all 
just simply part of my day and 

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it fits very cohesively with the
rest of my day, and I don't have

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a whole lot of opportunity to 
stray from that, so I don't 

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stray from it. 
Yeah, I love that. 

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And I love that, Robert. 
And that's actually kind of 

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mirrors something that I talked 
to some of my clients that do 

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have a hard time developing that
system, that have a hard time 

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linking their health obligation 
to the rest of their day. 

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And I recently actually just had
this conversation with a woman 

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about, you know, why do you 
brush your teeth? 

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And she's like, what does that 
have to do with anything? 

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I said, why do you brush your 
teeth? 

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And she's like, well, because I 
have to. 

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I was like, and why do you go to
your your job every morning? 

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She's like, because I have to. 
And I was like, and why aren't 

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you eating healthy? 
Because you have to do that too.

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Yeah. 
And something like that just 

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kind of clicked for her. 
And the last, I think, 3 weeks 

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in a row, she's killed it. 
I think that sometimes we just 

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need to hear that and a little 
bit of tough love goes a long 

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way. 
Yeah, what are your typical? 

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Client demographics looking like
is there like a like a common 

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denominator like are they all 
they need to lose 100 plus 

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pounds or some of them 
incredibly thin and just have a 

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disorder relationship with food 
and eating? 

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Like, is it like a general 
avatar that you're working with 

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or is it really across the 
board? 

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I mean a little bit of 
everything, but I would say my 

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general populace is going to be 
a man or woman in their mid 30s 

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to late 40s who has anywhere 
from 30 to £50 to drop. 

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You know some sometimes I get 
folks that have over 100 and 

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sometimes I've got folks that 
have 10-1. 

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Quick story about one of those 
smaller cases was I had a woman 

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who as soon as I answered the 
phone she said now you're going 

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to think I'm crazy but please 
hear me out. 

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She said I have £7.00 that I 
need to lose and I said go ahead

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tell me about it. 
And so she was a mother of four.

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And ever since her last child, 
she had this, this little pad of

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fat that just hung over her 
stomach. 

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And she was 5 foot 7 and 132 
pounds. 

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And that's a, that's a 
relatively healthy weight, 

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right, for somebody who's 5 foot
7 to be 132 pounds, and she 

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needed to get to 125. 
And most people would roll their

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eyes at that. 
But I wanted to hear her story. 

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I wanted to hear what was going 
on. 

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And so she had said that every 
single dress that she once 

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loved, she has put in a box 
because they fit tight to her 

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stomach. 
And she sees that bulge hanging 

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down and it does nothing but 
destroy her confidence. 

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And so I worked with her for 
about two months to get rid of 

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the seven pounds, and the seven 
pounds was gone quick. 

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But what I did was I 
restructured the type of foods 

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that she was eating because she 
had always been of that calories

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in, calories out mentality and 
teaching her that not all 

447
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:26,730
calories are created equal was 
kind of an eye opener for her. 

448
00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:30,450
And she had also, you know, 
started eating more red meat, 

449
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:34,930
eat more eggs, more Whole Foods,
single ingredient food items. 

450
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:37,730
You know that's that's 
definitely within the philosophy

451
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:39,890
of what I teach. 
And over the course of that two 

452
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:47,380
months that fat pad disappeared 
and when she saw me, I'm getting

453
00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:49,940
a little choked up. 
She cried as though she had just

454
00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:54,140
dropped £100 because that five 
or that little 7 pound pad in 

455
00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:59,500
front of her weighed on her 
conscience so much and to have 

456
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,700
that gone was a life changer for
her. 

457
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:05,500
It's awesome. 
And and that's and and it was 

458
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:08,180
just a small drop for a lot of 
people that like I said, they 

459
00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:09,980
might roll their eyes, they 
might, you know be quick to 

460
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:11,580
judge on that. 
But everybody's fighting a 

461
00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:15,330
battle in some form or another, 
whether it's £7.00 or whether 

462
00:25:15,330 --> 00:25:18,010
it's 220, you know, and I've 
helped a few of those 

463
00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:20,450
individual. 
It is truly all perspective 

464
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:22,690
based on the individual for 
sure. 

465
00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:27,770
On that note though, for someone
that has lost a lot of weight or

466
00:25:27,770 --> 00:25:29,450
a little bit of weight, like if 
they if they're coming from a 

467
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:34,290
place where they've strive to 
lose weight, how do you have a 

468
00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:39,890
conversation around not being so
fearful of eating more food? 

469
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:43,190
Because I feel like that is. 
And an incredibly important part

470
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:45,390
of the conversation, but it 
often times gets overlooked 

471
00:25:45,390 --> 00:25:48,910
because they get to like I see 
this in my clientele working 

472
00:25:48,910 --> 00:25:52,110
with competitors, they'll lose a
lot of weight for a show and 

473
00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:56,870
then they'll gain weight back in
the reverse that portion and 

474
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:59,390
gaining weight like when you're 
in a, you know, stage level 

475
00:25:59,390 --> 00:26:04,110
conditioning, you know, sub 5% 
body fat or sub 10 for a female.

476
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:07,170
Like, that's not really healthy 
long term either. 

477
00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:10,090
But they they hold on to that 
look and conditioning because 

478
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:12,130
that's what they feel really 
good about. 

479
00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:16,370
As they should. 
But regaining a healthy amount 

480
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:19,930
of weight and spending some time
in a caloric surplus is also 

481
00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:22,570
incredibly advantageous. 
But once you lose a lot of 

482
00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:26,450
weight, especially if you've 
lost 100 plus pounds, embracing 

483
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:29,730
the idea of eating more food and
not chronically restricting is 

484
00:26:29,730 --> 00:26:32,490
debilitating for people. 
So how do you, How do you? 

485
00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:36,340
Cope with people around that, 
Yeah. 

486
00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:39,380
Now this is a very, very 
important conversation with a 

487
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:45,060
lot of my my folks, because they
do have that fear because they 

488
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:48,980
have, you know, had success with
the diet in the past and then 

489
00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:52,060
the weight came back without 
necessary explanation. 

490
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:54,260
It wasn't like they were, you 
know, eating a bunch of junk 

491
00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:58,300
food and stuff again. 
And often times I find the folks

492
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:01,630
on my program who do you know, 
relapse a little bit, they 

493
00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:04,630
regain some of that weight. 
It's usually meant because we 

494
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:07,430
have a hard time shutting off 
that that satisfaction. 

495
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:12,310
You know the the ghrelin in our 
system kind of gets out of 

496
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:15,910
control sometimes when it comes 
to things like steak or nuts or 

497
00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:19,430
any type of grab and go snack. 
It's hard to to mitigate that. 

498
00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:22,870
But the way that I get around 
that and the way that I help my 

499
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:25,390
clients to make more educated 
decisions is that once they 

500
00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:29,890
have, you know, achieve their 
ideal healthy window, their 

501
00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:33,010
ideal body fat percentage, which
is what the graduation on my 

502
00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:35,290
program is based upon, it's not 
a number on the scale, It's 

503
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:38,850
about body fat percent. 
Once they have achieved that 

504
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:43,690
homeostatic window, we slowly 
start reintroducing foods back 

505
00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:46,210
into their diet and we work very
closely. 

506
00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:50,610
I do utilize chronometer to help
them to track macros and things 

507
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:52,930
along those lines to make sure 
they're getting enough because 

508
00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:55,330
that's always my concern is that
they're not getting enough 

509
00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:59,510
protein, especially because 
they're aware that when they 

510
00:27:59,830 --> 00:28:02,710
gained weight in the past it was
because of excess is because of 

511
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:05,430
overconsumption or it was 
because of consumption of highly

512
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:10,790
processed foods. 
And when it comes to how I do 

513
00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:13,310
that, it is a very slow 
reintroduction and I start with 

514
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:15,310
things like very low impact 
foods. 

515
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:18,550
So it will be like nuts, it'll 
be Berry, it'll be a little bit 

516
00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:20,870
of berries, you know, so they'll
have some strawberries, 

517
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:23,590
blackberries, occasional 
blueberries, things like that. 

518
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:27,320
We'll, we'll try that out for 
one to two weeks body acclimates

519
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,160
and then we up it a little bit 
further. 

520
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,920
We kind of increase the glycemic
load on some of their foods. 

521
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,880
I'm also very particular about 
the vegetables and things like 

522
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,480
that that I encourage my clients
to have because of that glycemic

523
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,240
index. 
I don't want them to think, oh, 

524
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,840
butternut squashes of 
vegetables. 

525
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400
So I'm gonna, you know, have a 
whole bowl of that and then 

526
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,800
sprinkle some ground beef on 
top. 

527
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,760
You know, it's gonna be 
typically the opposite of that. 

528
00:28:49,460 --> 00:28:53,100
And so helping them to bring 
back higher calories with fat, 

529
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:55,620
with protein and with an 
emphasis on the type of 

530
00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:59,180
vegetables that they like. 
You know, some people say, I 

531
00:28:59,180 --> 00:29:00,660
hate broccoli and I say that's 
fine. 

532
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:05,660
I don't eat broccoli either. 
And we kind of kind of work it 

533
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:08,220
into that way. 
It's like I give them the 

534
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:11,020
control and they get to choose 
what sort of foods they're 

535
00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:12,580
bringing in. 
And that helps them to make 

536
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:14,900
those decisions and feel good 
about it because I'm not just 

537
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:19,120
dictating it all to them. 
And the way that I would kind of

538
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,280
phrase it is that, you know, 
they're walking on the path. 

539
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,120
I'm just holding the flashlight.
And so, yeah. 

540
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,160
And so that's, that's how we 
kind of get them from A to B, is

541
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,120
that they go through a 
elimination diet style with the 

542
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,200
program. 
The way I would describe the 

543
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,880
program in general is it's a low
carb Mediterranean diet. 

544
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,960
It's not full blown keto, it's 
not paglio. 

545
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360
It's not one thing or another. 
It's a low carb Mediterranean 

546
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880
diet that is very customized to 
each individual. 

547
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:54,070
And over the last three plus 
years I have added new kind of 

548
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:57,510
tails to the program where my my
default is that one I just 

549
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:59,230
described. 
And then I've also got a 

550
00:29:59,270 --> 00:30:04,390
carnivore protocol, a paleo 
protocol and a ketogenic 

551
00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:09,470
protocol where if a client 
expresses firm interest in one 

552
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:13,630
of those, we can modify the base
program to fit that. 

553
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:20,160
And thanks to the work of Sean 
Baker and Doctor Kilts and 

554
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,760
Anthony Chafee and all those 
guys that you and I both know 

555
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,880
and love, You know, I've been 
able to kind of digest a lot 

556
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,600
more of the research surrounding
carnivore and be able to 

557
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,400
formulate what I would consider 
to be a safe, efficible protocol

558
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,960
to help people get from A to B. 
And it's not eat as much steak 

559
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,780
as you want. 
Like, I still help people 

560
00:30:40,780 --> 00:30:44,460
practice moderation because I've
seen that where somebody, you 

561
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:47,100
know, they're looking online and
they find that, oh, I can eat as

562
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:48,940
many rib eyes as I want until 
I'm full. 

563
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,020
And then they wonder why they're
gaining weight with Carnivore. 

564
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:55,500
And I mean, have you experienced
that yourself? 

565
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:58,500
Because I know you follow a 
largely carnivore, but with a 

566
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,260
little bit of extra here and 
there, right? 

567
00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:02,660
Yeah, yeah. 
I'm definitely like I don't 

568
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:05,260
describe, I don't know find 
myself as being hardcore strict 

569
00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:07,380
carnivore because there are 
certainly people that are. 

570
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
You know, take it to the extreme
of nothing but beef, water and 

571
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,840
salt and you know to those 
people more prior to you if it's

572
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720
worth it for you. 
I just incorporate a little bit 

573
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
more variety. 
Like I'll have the keto brick 

574
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,040
which is not carnivore, I'll 
have like some some dairy, some 

575
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,840
things of that nature. 
But I'm assuming the reason 

576
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,520
you're going actually to answer 
your question first, yes, 100%. 

577
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,600
I see people that are doing a 
massive surplus of just rib eyes

578
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,840
and they will continue to gain 
weight. 

579
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,280
This notion that you can't 
overeat meat is a skewed. 

580
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:41,510
Oversimplification like I do 
agree that that is if you're 

581
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:43,830
going to eat intuitively and not
track anything. 

582
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:47,470
It is certainly more 
advantageous and easier to do so

583
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:50,950
with an animal based carnivore 
or well for medic ketogenic diet

584
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:53,110
than it would be with a standard
American mixed diet. 

585
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:57,390
But you can overeat anything. 
Oh yeah, absolutely. 

586
00:31:57,390 --> 00:32:00,270
Well now, and I'm glad you'd 
agree because yes, that is 

587
00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:03,110
something where, you know, I've 
even had some people come to me 

588
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:07,240
asking about the program saying 
I've been doing Carnivore for 

589
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,280
about 3 months and I've only 
dropped £2.00 and this is a man 

590
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,720
and time dropping weight. 
If that loss specifically 

591
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,960
because you can lose weight 150 
different ways. 

592
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,040
But if you hate what you're 
doing or if it's not something 

593
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,680
that's sustainable, eventually 
you will give up and walk away. 

594
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,440
And so with that, you know, I do
think that moderation is a big 

595
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,040
piece to the success of a lot of
clients. 

596
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,680
And you cut out a little bit 
again there, but I'm assuming 

597
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,720
the reason you make the the 
Mediterranean low carb as like 

598
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,040
the base program makes is, is 
because that has a much lower, 

599
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,560
lower bearer to enter to someone
that's coming from a Standard 

600
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,160
American that is more used to a 
broader array of food types, 

601
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,840
right. 
I'll lose you again. 

602
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,600
There we go. 
You're back. 

603
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Yeah. 
Did you hear any of that? 

604
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,000
No. 
It kind of cut off after you 

605
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,240
asked about the the base of the 
program. 

606
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,960
Yes, I'm assuming you you made 
the the low carb Mediterranean, 

607
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280
the base, the program because 
that still affords people a 

608
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,800
broader array of food types and 
for someone coming from a 

609
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,880
standard American mix that 
that's going to be a lower 

610
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,320
barrier to entry, correct? 
Yes. 

611
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Now that is 100% correct because
even though the the 

612
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Mediterranean style eating can 
be good for people, it can also 

613
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,490
be abused. 
And I believe that, like you 

614
00:33:30,490 --> 00:33:32,290
said, it does afford them more 
options. 

615
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:36,450
And so if I were to go to every 
person out there and say stop 

616
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:39,370
eating vegetables, they're going
to kill you, You know, they're 

617
00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:40,610
going to look at me like I'm 
crazy. 

618
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:45,130
And So what I do is Ioffer them 
this kind of cornucopia of 

619
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:48,410
options and they choose from 
those options what they like. 

620
00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:51,290
And it gives them that sense of 
control, which I believe is 

621
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:54,730
very, very important for people 
to find success longterm is to 

622
00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:59,080
be able to make, you know, a 
concerted effort in the decision

623
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120
making process, like they need 
to be a part of it. 

624
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,960
But more so I give them a list 
of options. 

625
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000
And so one of the ways I kind of
describe my program as we get 

626
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,560
going is I will create a meal 
plan and I will give you a 

627
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,159
customized shopping list and I 
will give you custom recipes and

628
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,960
I will give you all the tools 
you need to be successful. 

629
00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:24,300
And with the base program, I do 
offer meal replacements and 

630
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,300
things like that. 
I give them shopping list, 

631
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:28,540
things that they can go to the 
grocery store and get that would

632
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:30,340
essentially help to replace a 
meal as well. 

633
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:34,620
But with that, you know they can
take or leave any sort of meal 

634
00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:37,540
replacement options they want. 
I also talk about like meal 

635
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:40,020
replacement services, things 
like Factor and all those guys 

636
00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:41,659
like they do have some decent 
options. 

637
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,100
Are they for everybody? 
Absolutely not. 

638
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:48,830
But if you are, you know, a high
level CEO who has zero time to 

639
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:52,070
cook and your other option is to
go downstairs and get something 

640
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:55,670
from Qdoba, it's like having a 
factory meal in your freezer is 

641
00:34:55,670 --> 00:34:59,950
going to be a better option. 
So creating a sustainable 

642
00:34:59,950 --> 00:35:03,870
lifestyle for each person is 
what makes the Arbiter program 

643
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:07,070
so much more successful than a 
lot of the the other kind of big

644
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:10,150
box things. 
You do get a very personalized 

645
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:12,750
touch with that. 
Yeah, I think there's there's 

646
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:15,090
this. 
Training of fun out there that 

647
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:18,090
it has to be like all these 
different types of dieting 

648
00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:19,970
modalities are mutually 
exclusive. 

649
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:23,530
Like you can track macros but if
you do that you have to have a 

650
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:27,250
mixed diet or if it's your 
macros approach but you can't do

651
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:30,250
that with keto. 
Like why can't people just blend

652
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:32,410
a combination of things that 
work for them. 

653
00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:35,450
Like I track my macros but I'm 
following a strict ketogenic 

654
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:38,490
diet and that works very very 
well. 

655
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:41,850
Now some people have a hard time
tracking macros because they 

656
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:45,030
find it to be very cumbersome. 
Do you get a lot of pushback 

657
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:47,270
from people when you're 
suggesting that they use 

658
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,950
chronometer and track their 
intake? 

659
00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:54,710
Not really, because I don't 
encourage them to use 

660
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:57,630
chronometer until after they 
have graduated the program. 

661
00:35:58,350 --> 00:36:00,990
Because at that point, the way I
like to put it is that by the 

662
00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:03,710
time you have graduated from my 
program, you are qualified to 

663
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:08,150
work for me. 
Yeah, because I I structure so 

664
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:11,070
much of what I do around 
education about teaching them 

665
00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:14,070
what macros are, what certain 
vitamins, minerals are, how they

666
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:16,230
affect the body, how there's 
different nutrient 

667
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:19,910
synchronicities that go on, you 
know, not getting your magnesium

668
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:22,030
and calcium at the same time. 
If you're supplementing with 

669
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:24,390
magnesium, make sure you haven't
had calcium within a couple 

670
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:26,870
hours before bed, because 
that'll decrease the absorption 

671
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:27,950
rate. 
It's like, those are all just 

672
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:31,390
like little tidbits that I give 
people to help them make smarter

673
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:34,050
decisions with those things. 
And so by the time they're done 

674
00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:36,490
with the program, when I 
introduce something like macro 

675
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:40,850
managing with chronometer, it's 
it's a relatively simple step 

676
00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:44,570
from where they just were. 
And so while they're on the 

677
00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:46,730
program, I keep it very, very 
simple, very, very 

678
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:49,250
straightforward. 
I use paper food journals. 

679
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:52,610
Like, I want them to write it 
down by hand, and I tell them 

680
00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:55,010
you get bonus points if there's 
a coffee stain on it, because I 

681
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:58,980
want you to take it everywhere. 
Like, I want them to get into 

682
00:36:58,980 --> 00:37:01,780
the practice of doing that. 
And it's a very simple thing. 

683
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:04,820
Like I don't tell them, tell me 
all the ingredients in your 

684
00:37:04,820 --> 00:37:06,540
lunch. 
Like, I want to know what your 

685
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:09,940
lunch was, and if it's on the 
list of things that I've 

686
00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:12,260
approved for them, then we're 
good to go. 

687
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:14,980
If it's not, I ask that they 
highlight it so that we can talk

688
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:16,620
about it when we have our 
sessions. 

689
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:21,460
I like that how frequently this 
is probably very individualized 

690
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,430
based off the client, but. 
How frequently do you feel is 

691
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:27,030
optimal to be checking with them
and having these sessions? 

692
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:29,950
Because it seems like some 
people they are totally 

693
00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:31,910
self-sufficient. 
They could just, you know, take 

694
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:33,750
your words of wisdom and run 
with it. 

695
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:37,190
Other people need to have a much
more frequent touch bases. 

696
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:39,510
Think I lost you there, Robert. 
Can you hear me now? 

697
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:43,830
Yeah, yeah, basically what? 
How frequently do you feel you 

698
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:46,750
need to be in contact with these
people in order to ensure that 

699
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:49,790
they're sustaining and maintain 
the protocol? 

700
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:53,840
Yeah. 
So my typical protocol is we 

701
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,880
have weekly sessions. 
And so each week we set up a day

702
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,600
and a time and we just kind of 
rinse and repeat as far as, like

703
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,680
when that day and time is for 
each person. 

704
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,000
But in between our sessions, we 
also have the support line. 

705
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,560
And so they can text me 
questions. 

706
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,080
If they're out grocery shopping 
and they see something 

707
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,200
interesting, they can take a 
picture of it and send it to me.

708
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,440
And I'll, I'll take a look at it
and I'll help them figure out 

709
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,160
yes, that's something good or 
no. 

710
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,890
And here's why I don't just 
simply say yes or no. 

711
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:24,330
I'll educate them as to why 
something is not good. 

712
00:38:24,330 --> 00:38:26,810
So in the future, they 
understand what we're looking 

713
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:29,530
for when we're reading nutrition
labels or ingredient labels. 

714
00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:32,090
Yeah, I like that. 
I like that a lot. 

715
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:37,130
Do you orchestrate some type of 
community aspect to it? 

716
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:39,970
Are they interacting with other 
clients you have at the same 

717
00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:41,890
time or is it all one-on-one 
with you directly? 

718
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:44,250
Yeah. 
So that is kind of a work in 

719
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:47,130
progress. 
Like I do want to create like an

720
00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:50,770
online forum where graduate 
clients can kind of come in and 

721
00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:54,890
and be a Big Brother, big sister
style thing to new clients. 

722
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:58,570
And I've had several volunteers,
which honestly is kind of 

723
00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:00,930
shattering or shaking like 
because it's like to have 

724
00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:05,690
somebody so inspired that they 
want to help somebody else at no

725
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:09,530
charge, that's that's kind of 
kind of crazy to me and I love 

726
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:11,090
that. 
But I have had several 

727
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:14,690
volunteers say that they want to
be the Big Brother, big sister 

728
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:17,930
in the in the coaching program. 
And so that is something that's 

729
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:20,890
a work in progress. 
I have no ETA on when that may 

730
00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:25,250
be available, but outside of 
that, as far as community, I am 

731
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:29,610
100% referral based and so I 
don't advertise, I don't do any 

732
00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:33,000
ads, things like that. 
And so the community does kind 

733
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
of come from their referral 
source as well. 

734
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,120
In fact, one family in 
particular I have helped, let's 

735
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,360
see the mom, the dad, two of 
their boys, one of their 

736
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,000
daughters, their brotherinlaw, 
sisterinlaw and then their kids 

737
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,760
as well. 
And so it's like a big family 

738
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,680
who has done the program and so 
there is some community aspect 

739
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,760
to that, but as far as anything 
deeper, not yet. 

740
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,040
I think. 
I think that's huge though, man.

741
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,170
Like when I look at. 
The the keto community, because 

742
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:05,690
I'm very involved with that. 
Like I feel like the reason or 

743
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:08,730
one of the main reasons that 
there's so much adherence within

744
00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:12,410
that dietary protocol is that 
there is such a thriving 

745
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:15,930
community there of people that 
just simply want to help like 

746
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:18,410
they've experienced tremendous 
benefit personally and they just

747
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:21,610
want to shower others with that 
positivity. 

748
00:40:21,970 --> 00:40:25,570
And within within the dietary 
paradigm shift, like if you're 

749
00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:28,750
coming from a standard American 
diet, you've got a certain life 

750
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:32,150
path and and you know system 
that's not working well for you 

751
00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:36,190
to be able to break free of that
and remove it entirely is not 

752
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:38,670
really likely gonna hold. 
But if you can break free of 

753
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:42,110
that and replace it with new 
people, new environments, new 

754
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:46,390
factors, new systems, and 
leverage the support group of 

755
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:50,070
others like, your likelihood of 
adhering to it for the long haul

756
00:40:50,070 --> 00:40:53,350
is just 10X, if not more. 
Oh, absolutely. 

757
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:56,190
I completely agree with that. 
And you're right about how 

758
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:59,560
supportive people are. 
Within the low carb space, I 

759
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,920
mean, especially for a guy like 
me coming to a thing like Keto 

760
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Con, it's like my first keto con
I almost, I almost felt like I 

761
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,520
needed to be wearing a mask 
because to be a dietitian who 

762
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,880
was classically trained to 
embrace the low carb world is 

763
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,360
almost blasphemy. 
Yeah, you know, and I was 

764
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,440
explaining to some of my my 
clients that if I were to try 

765
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,800
and go practice at the hospital 
again, they wouldn't let me. 

766
00:41:24,570 --> 00:41:27,490
Because I don't believe anything
that the hospital is teaching 

767
00:41:27,490 --> 00:41:29,770
for, you know, diabetes for 
example. 

768
00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:33,050
I mean, that's probably the, the
biggest one is that I had, I 

769
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:37,890
remember getting in an argument 
with one of my, my supervisors 

770
00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:41,330
about why the heck are we giving
this type 2 diabetic woman 

771
00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:45,370
waffles and syrup for breakfast?
And her response was, well, she 

772
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:46,890
needs to get her carb count for 
the day. 

773
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:49,210
And I was like, she doesn't need
to get her carb count for the 

774
00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:52,130
day. 
If she's like like why does she 

775
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:53,010
need that? 
And she said well. 

776
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:55,470
So that when she takes her 
insulin, her blood sugar doesn't

777
00:41:55,470 --> 00:41:57,030
drop too low. 
I was like, well, why are we 

778
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:59,510
raising the insulin or why are 
we raising her blood sugar by 

779
00:41:59,510 --> 00:42:01,990
feeding her this food? 
And she looked me square in the 

780
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:03,710
eyes and said, do you think you 
know more than me? 

781
00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:09,310
Like, that was the response I 
got And my young dietitian head 

782
00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:12,190
said, no, no, ma'am, I'm I'm 
just saying this doesn't make 

783
00:42:12,190 --> 00:42:15,590
sense. 
And do you do you think it makes

784
00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:17,310
sense? 
And then she was like, this is 

785
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:20,870
just what we do and she left it 
at that and so that. 

786
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,800
You know, kind of set something 
off in me. 

787
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,080
I believe that was actually a 
moment that kind of started to 

788
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,880
push me more into the low carb 
space because of that 

789
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,280
confrontation. 
Yeah, that is very unfortunate, 

790
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,240
man. 
I would imagine like the 

791
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,480
pushback that you've received 
within your colleagues fears 

792
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,640
insurmountable. 
You feel like that's like is is 

793
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,520
going for a path and dietetics. 
I got asked this on a few 

794
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,320
podcasts with people that have 
formal schooling in dietetics 

795
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,240
like Would it be advantageous 
for someone like me to even go 

796
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,640
through a formal schooling 
curriculum to get a 

797
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,840
certification in that regard, or
is that just a waste of time and

798
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,080
energy? 
I mean I I believe it depends on

799
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,000
what you're trying to do like I 
mean you've got a successful 

800
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,720
business as is and your platform
is, is phenomenal. 

801
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,080
And so for you, I I think the 
the answer would be no, it 

802
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
wouldn't be worth it for you, 
but for somebody who is maybe, 

803
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,760
you know, just getting out of 
high school and trying to figure

804
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,030
out. 
With their life, I would 

805
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:22,550
encourage it. 
Like I would encourage them to 

806
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:25,230
go through, but to take a lot of
that with a grain of salt, 

807
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:29,390
because I believe that within 
the first three years after I 

808
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:33,470
had graduated college, I learned
more in the field than I did in 

809
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:37,550
seven years of school. 
You know, it's it's crazy just 

810
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:40,350
how much handson experience can 
teach you. 

811
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:43,670
And I believe that's that kind 
of applies to most fields. 

812
00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:47,110
But with nutrition specifically,
it's like you run into a case. 

813
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,520
That you see the first time 
you're gonna ask, Can you hear? 

814
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Me in helping that person. 
And so I do think that the 

815
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,040
formal education route teaches a
lot of the basics, and it also 

816
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,400
gives you kind of a ground to 
stand on that will help you when

817
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,800
you make those other decisions 
from current research things 

818
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,160
that aren't being taught in 
school. 

819
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,360
Yeah, that makes whole sense. 
I feel like, I mean, education 

820
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,040
is is like incredibly valuable. 
Like you can't have enough 

821
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,720
education. 
Like that is something that one 

822
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,920
should always be seeking to gain
more of. 

823
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,880
But I feel like within many of 
the traditional curriculums out 

824
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,240
there and just the standard 
methodologies, there's so much 

825
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,360
dogmatism that runs rampant and 
how people think they they're 

826
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,720
just like, like, if you look at 
studies, like studies are great.

827
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,670
I'm all for scientific research.
I'm all for, you know, being at 

828
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:48,070
the tip of the spear and seeing 
what happens. 

829
00:44:48,070 --> 00:44:52,230
But people that are so steeped 
in studies oftentimes throw 

830
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:55,390
anything anecdotal out 
completely, which I don't think 

831
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:57,510
is is good either. 
You know, there has to be a 

832
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:59,870
healthy blend of both. 
There just has to be like this 

833
00:44:59,870 --> 00:45:02,150
willingness to have an open 
receptive mind. 

834
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:05,110
And if you're seeing people 
first hand improve their health 

835
00:45:05,110 --> 00:45:08,470
180 degrees as a result of 
adopting this dietary 

836
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:11,750
intervention, that seems 
incredibly counter to what the 

837
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:14,640
textbook says. 
You can't really turn a blind 

838
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,360
eye to them. 
Yeah, no, 100%. 

839
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,560
And I mean, I listen to a lot of
Andrew Huberman because, I mean,

840
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,920
he's just absolutely brilliant 
for one. 

841
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,800
But he has some of the most 
interesting research that, you 

842
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,600
know, I come across. 
And being Andrew Huberman, for 

843
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,520
those who don't know, I believe 
he's the head of research at 

844
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,920
Stanford. 
And he, I mean, if anybody knows

845
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,560
how to read a research paper, 
it's going to be him. 

846
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,400
And so when it comes to things 
like like anecdotes like you 

847
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,240
were saying, it's that a lot of 
things should be thrown out if 

848
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,000
it is anecdotal. 
I think he used the phrase 

849
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,800
anecdata and how he hates that, 
that people are calling it 

850
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,800
anecdata because it's not really
relevant in a lot of senses 

851
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,320
because, you know, I can tell 
you stories all day, but that 

852
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,920
doesn't necessarily mean it's 
going to fit for you. 

853
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,080
And I could talk about somebody 
who. 

854
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:09,990
You know, started eating keto 
and then they dropped 45 pounds 

855
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:13,030
in two months and now they're, 
you know, running half 

856
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:14,950
marathons. 
It's like that is intimate 

857
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:16,750
story, but that doesn't mean 
it's going to apply to you as 

858
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:20,390
well. 
And so with that, it's like we 

859
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:22,390
do have to take those things 
with a grain of salt, but it is 

860
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:25,190
important to know that there are
the possibilities out there 

861
00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:28,430
totally. 
And when there's enough of that 

862
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:31,190
occurrence happening, I believe 
that that can be the grounds for

863
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:34,480
future research. 
Perhaps, you know, finding all 

864
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,640
those people that do that and 
what separates them from the 

865
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,280
folks that can't completely 
agree. 

866
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,280
I feel like in your line of work
and in your line of study, 

867
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,760
there's probably quite a talk on
these like drugs, like Ozempic 

868
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,440
right now. 
What? 

869
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,960
What is when people bring that 
to your attention? 

870
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,720
What? 
What is your default response? 

871
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Yeah. 
So people always ask like, am I 

872
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,240
worried about, you know, 
pharmaceutical weight loss? 

873
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,650
And my answer is always no. 
Because I don't believe that the

874
00:47:01,770 --> 00:47:04,530
the magic pill will come and 
everybody's going to lose weight

875
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:06,530
and it's going to stay off and 
there's going to be 0 side 

876
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:08,890
effects. 
Because there almost always are 

877
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:12,930
side effects and now we're 
finding there are many, many 

878
00:47:12,930 --> 00:47:14,930
side effects. 
In fact, one of my clients he 

879
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:18,250
had asked me about, Ozempic just
sent me an article from a study 

880
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:21,130
that took place in the UKI 
believe earlier this year around

881
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:28,250
March, where Ozempic was leading
to suicidal ideation. 

882
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:33,510
In about 15% of the populace 
that was taking it and some 

883
00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:36,190
people were having suicidal 
thoughts as a result of taking 

884
00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:37,870
Ozempic. 
For what reason I don't don't 

885
00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:42,790
know. 
The mechanism was be, you know, 

886
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:46,150
determinant of your affect, but 
I I don't know. 

887
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:48,430
There's just so many other 
confounding factors when it 

888
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:51,110
comes to taking a medication and
finding successful weight loss. 

889
00:47:51,110 --> 00:47:53,110
It's like we got to determine 
the mechanism as well. 

890
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:56,700
But ultimately, I believe the 
most sustainable, the most 

891
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:59,780
effective thing will be to 
create a structured lifestyle 

892
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,020
that you can sustain and to some
degree enjoy. 

893
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:08,820
Because I think I showed you my 
Arbiter weight management shirts

894
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:10,900
that I wear around the office on
the back. 

895
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:15,020
It says diet suck, yeah. 
I liked it, man. 

896
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:19,180
I believe that because yeah. 
And I think a lot of folks got 

897
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:22,260
got pictures with that shirt, 
but. 

898
00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:26,790
With that, you know, I believe 
that creating a lifestyle 

899
00:48:27,110 --> 00:48:29,550
doesn't have to suck. 
Like, if you're on a diet that 

900
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:32,230
sucks. 
But if you create a lifestyle 

901
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:35,070
that's sustainable and 
enjoyable, it's something that 

902
00:48:35,070 --> 00:48:38,230
you can keep up with longterm 
that doesn't have to be, you 

903
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:40,350
know, this this dark cloud 
hovering over your head every 

904
00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:41,710
time you go out to eat with 
friends. 

905
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:45,750
Yeah, that there's there's an 
option for everybody in in my 

906
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:48,230
mind, and if you can't find it, 
we just haven't been looking in 

907
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:51,270
the right spot. 100% agree. 
Man, I feel like there is. 

908
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:56,260
I'm very much so against any 
form of, you know, shortcut, 

909
00:48:56,340 --> 00:49:01,260
hack or anything, anything that 
even closely resembles a you 

910
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:03,580
know, an easy peasy way of doing
anything. 

911
00:49:03,580 --> 00:49:05,860
Like, maybe I'm just a masochist
at heart, which is probably the 

912
00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:08,140
case. 
Well, I wouldn't disagree with 

913
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:10,820
you, yeah. 
But at the same time, like I 

914
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:14,420
look at anything that's led to 
any degree of success I've 

915
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:16,500
experienced or people that I 
view as successful, I've 

916
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,100
experienced. 
And it's all it all boils down 

917
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:26,190
to them putting in the daily 
work that compounds over time. 

918
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:29,270
Like if you can't adhere to 
that, then you're then you're 

919
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:30,390
literally doomed. 
Failure. 

920
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:33,750
And that holds true with, with 
regards to, you know, health and

921
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:37,950
body composition, with financial
goals, with relationship goals. 

922
00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:41,230
Like anything that you want to, 
you know, quote, UN quote, 

923
00:49:41,230 --> 00:49:46,230
succeed in with life. 
You have to figure out ways to 

924
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:49,230
enjoy the process of chipping 
away at it in some form or 

925
00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:52,070
fashion every single waking day 
of your life. 

926
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:55,230
And once you do that, and you're
able to figure out a way to do 

927
00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:59,110
that in a way that doesn't seem,
you know, prohibitive, you'll 

928
00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:00,790
likely find some success with 
it. 

929
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:04,270
Absolutely no. 
And I think you said it really 

930
00:50:04,270 --> 00:50:06,350
well the other day on one of 
your episodes. 

931
00:50:06,350 --> 00:50:08,950
I can't recall which one it was,
but I was listening and you said

932
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:12,690
that delayed gratification. 
Has been the most eye opening 

933
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:14,770
experience in the in the most 
recent time. 

934
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:18,050
Because that process that you 
were just describing, that 

935
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:21,410
chipping away at it day after 
day after day, busting your ass 

936
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:23,610
some days wondering is it worth 
it? 

937
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:26,450
And then continuing to push 
through and understand. 

938
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:28,890
Nope, I lost you. 
Can you hear me? 

939
00:50:29,890 --> 00:50:33,810
To make positive steps in the 
right direction, not because we,

940
00:50:34,450 --> 00:50:38,290
you know, are told to do so, but
because we choose to do so. 

941
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,040
And I think having that power of
choice is the key. 

942
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,760
Yeah. 
And that's so much more 

943
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,120
empowering to, like if you feel 
like you are living a life that 

944
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,720
is moving you closer to the 
goals that you want to excel at 

945
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,760
and it's in your grasp to do so,
like that is so much more 

946
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,640
gratifying and fulfilling and 
empowering than to feel like 

947
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,760
you're beholden to some, you 
know, dietary regiment. 

948
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,780
That just seems overbearing. 
Or some drug or pill that you 

949
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:10,740
have to take on a regular basis 
in order to succeed. 

950
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:15,540
Like people that feel they have 
their own future in their own 

951
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:17,340
hands. 
Like that, to me just seems much

952
00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:20,460
more fulfilling in life. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

953
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:23,060
And you make better decisions 
because if the only one that 

954
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:26,670
blames you. 
You're not going to be getting 

955
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:28,510
after it as much. 
You're not going to be cheating.

956
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:32,110
And because I've had people 
who've gained weight taking 

957
00:51:32,110 --> 00:51:35,030
weight loss pills, who like, 
I've had people who did Fen Fen 

958
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:37,830
back in the day who come to me 
and they told me they were, you 

959
00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:40,590
know, taking Fen Fen. 
They lost £10 and they put 30 on

960
00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:41,990
when they stopped taking the Fen
Fen. 

961
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:46,670
And it's like things like that. 
It's like that's not control, 

962
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:49,990
like that's using a crutch to 
allow you to get from point A to

963
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:51,550
point B. 
But then what do you learn? 

964
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:54,380
Once you've stopped taking that 
pill, or once you stop getting 

965
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:56,980
the injection, like you haven't 
really learned anything. 

966
00:51:57,980 --> 00:52:01,620
And like you said, being a 
lifetime learner is such an 

967
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:04,780
important thing for all of us as
humans, and it should never be 

968
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:06,420
like a well, I'm done with 
college. 

969
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:08,180
I think I've learned everything 
I need to. 

970
00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:11,340
Let me go make $1,000,000 now. 
It's like we're gonna be 

971
00:52:11,340 --> 00:52:14,260
continuing to learn for our 
entire career and into the rest 

972
00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:16,580
of our life. 
Completely agree, man. 

973
00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:19,570
Completely agree. 
Why I am definitely on the same 

974
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:21,130
page with you. 
We're speaking the same 

975
00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:23,370
language. 
I'm super excited about what 

976
00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:26,130
you're doing and the client 
detographic that you're working 

977
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:29,450
with and I love the fact that 
you are kind of contraying in 

978
00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:32,530
you know your colleague pool as 
to what you are doing and why. 

979
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:35,570
Like I think you've got you're 
even for the right reasons and 

980
00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:40,450
that's that just is is obvious 
and that I put a lot of emphasis

981
00:52:40,450 --> 00:52:42,170
on that man. 
Like I appreciate people that 

982
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:43,810
are in this space for the right 
reasons. 

983
00:52:43,810 --> 00:52:47,700
I mean you we're compelled to 
jump into this because of what 

984
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,300
you were witnessing first hand 
with your family and and you're 

985
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:53,220
just wanting to pay it forward. 
So I tip my hat there for that 

986
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:55,060
man. 
I'm incredibly grateful that 

987
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:57,140
people like you were in the 
space, and I just encourage you 

988
00:52:57,140 --> 00:52:59,340
to keep doing what you're doing 
and preaching the message that 

989
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:01,980
you are. 
I believe a lot of us, well I 

990
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:05,020
would say 99% of us have our 
heart in it for the right reason

991
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:07,200
and. 
I'm. 

992
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,640
I mean I'm I'm a big softie. 
Like I can be tough with my 

993
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,720
clients when they need it. 
But I also cry with my clients 

994
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:17,040
like on a daily basis because I 
feel their success when they're 

995
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,720
successful and I feel their pain
when they're not. 

996
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,480
And I want them to know that 
like when they're going through 

997
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,600
this program, it's not about you
know, being perfect. 

998
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,880
I always say I don't demand 
perfection but I do encourage 

999
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,520
it. 
And and with that it's like I I 

1000
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,280
want people to have a friend 
have a like a compadre as they 

1001
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,720
go through their program. 
That's going to push them. 

1002
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:39,280
That's going to motivate them. 
That's going to keep them 

1003
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,080
accountable. 
And you know, more than 

1004
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,320
anything, I always try to 
educate them on the most 

1005
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,360
relevant and current research. 
And you know, with that I always

1006
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,080
say like, so I'll bring things 
up about like weightlifting and 

1007
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,760
protein and how important it is 
to do weight bearing exercise 

1008
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,000
even for my little old ladies. 
And they'll say, is that true? 

1009
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,400
And I'll say, well, you don't 
pay me to lie to you. 

1010
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,600
You know, I'm here to help 
educate. 

1011
00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:07,530
For the right reasons and I I 
believe you are as well and it 

1012
00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:10,370
it's so good to you know connect
with people in this field who 

1013
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:13,250
are doing the same thing. 
And I believe we do need more 

1014
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:16,370
dietitians to go this route. 
And it's it's a tough sell 

1015
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:21,170
because when you go to school 
for 6-7 years and then someone 

1016
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:23,610
comes along and tells you that 
everything you just learned was 

1017
00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:26,330
assed backwards. 
Not everybody was is receptive 

1018
00:54:26,330 --> 00:54:27,180
to that. 
Yeah. 

1019
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:31,300
But then you look at folks like 
Michelle Hearn or Ali Miller, 

1020
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:34,100
like other dietitians who are in
this space. 

1021
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:35,620
It's like they're doing a 
wonderful job. 

1022
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:38,820
And the two of them actually 
really helped me to become more 

1023
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:42,460
comfortable with being where I'm
at in the in the low carb space 

1024
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:44,460
as a dietitian. 
And so, you know, the Trail 

1025
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:47,860
Blazers ahead of me are 
definitely the ones to think, 

1026
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:50,380
hey man, well, you're blazing 
your own trail in your own way, 

1027
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:53,450
which is is very impactful. 
Man, you're you're touching 

1028
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:55,170
people's lives in ways you don't
even realize. 

1029
00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:57,450
So don't ever stop doing what 
you're doing because it is 

1030
00:54:57,450 --> 00:55:01,370
making a difference for sure. 
Yeah, well, and I love it. 

1031
00:55:01,530 --> 00:55:03,770
I love every single part of what
I get to do. 

1032
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:06,210
And I do believe this is 
something I want to do for the 

1033
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:08,930
rest of my life. 
And so I sometimes don't think 

1034
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:11,850
of it so much as work, but 
talking to my friends with a lot

1035
00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:13,290
of the folks that I get to talk 
to and. 

1036
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:15,750
You know, getting to meet some 
of them in person because I do 

1037
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:18,190
have clients all over the 
country, most of them here in 

1038
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:22,830
Texas, but I have clients in New
York, Florida, California, 

1039
00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:25,950
Oregon. 
And it's like on the off 

1040
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:28,230
occasion that I get to meet any 
of my out of town clients, it's 

1041
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:30,430
like a long lost friend that 
never left. 

1042
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:34,350
And so it's it's a wonderful 
experience to get to do what I 

1043
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:36,910
do on a daily basis. 
I love it man. 

1044
00:55:37,070 --> 00:55:39,150
Well, don't ever stop doing it, 
cuz like said, you're making an 

1045
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:42,100
impact and I don't know man, 
just keep it up. 

1046
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:44,660
Hopefully I'll continue to see 
you at these conferences. 

1047
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:45,740
What's the next one you're going
to? 

1048
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:50,380
Yeah. 
So I may be going to Fency, 

1049
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:54,940
which is a nutrition conference.
It's kind of the biggest one for

1050
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:57,420
dietitians to get their 
accreditations and stuff so that

1051
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:58,740
we can keep our credentials and 
all that. 

1052
00:55:59,140 --> 00:56:01,540
So I may be going to that this 
year, but I'm definitely gonna 

1053
00:56:01,540 --> 00:56:04,540
be making a return to Keto Con 
this next year. 

1054
00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:06,850
Very much looking forward to 
that one. 

1055
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:10,650
I mean it's it's always a blast.
And I think getting to meet some

1056
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:14,570
of some of my heroes in in the 
space, it's like always a fun 

1057
00:56:14,570 --> 00:56:16,170
experience to go rub shoulders 
with them. 

1058
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:19,090
Like, you know, I think I took a
picture with Sean Baker and he 

1059
00:56:19,090 --> 00:56:20,810
kind of, like leaned down and I 
was like, dude, I want you to 

1060
00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:21,890
stand up. 
And he kind of looked at me. 

1061
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:23,290
I was like, I want people to see
how tall you are. 

1062
00:56:25,050 --> 00:56:26,130
He is tall man. 
He is. 

1063
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:28,090
He's way up there. 
Towers above me for sure. 

1064
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,320
He's a big fellow for sure, but 
no, so I'll probably be going to

1065
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,960
fency Keto Con and then I was 
looking at, I think it's is it 

1066
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,120
low carb Denver, is that another
one that, yeah, I was looking at

1067
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,800
potentially going to that one 
next year as well. 

1068
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,000
Awesome man. 
Well, I will certainly be seeing

1069
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,640
you at those. 
I'm looking forward to it. 

1070
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,280
If there's ever anything I can 
do to help you in any regards, 

1071
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,680
man, by all means don't hesitate
to reach out and let me know. 

1072
00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:52,370
Absolutely, man. 
That's been a pleasure in that. 

1073
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:55,490
Maybe next time we chat, talk 
about some prepping, because I 

1074
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:57,250
know that was something that 
you've been talking about with 

1075
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:59,450
your home studying and I see 
what you're doing on your Live 

1076
00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:02,250
Savage on Instagram and I love 
it. 

1077
00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:04,090
I just finished the chicken coop
myself. 

1078
00:57:04,450 --> 00:57:05,690
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, that's the shoot, man. 

1079
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:07,010
We'll just get a podcast in the 
books. 

1080
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:08,170
We'll talk all about home 
studying, man. 

1081
00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:10,970
I love that component as well. 
Heck yeah. 

1082
00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:12,890
I love it, Robert. 
Until then, brother, where 

1083
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:14,930
people go to find out more about
you and dive deeper into your 

1084
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:16,770
world. 
Yeah, so. 

1085
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:21,180
As far as where to find me, one 
of the best things I could 

1086
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,460
recommend is go to the arbiter 
website. 

1087
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:26,820
It is 
www.arbiterweightmanagement.com.

1088
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:33,500
You can e-mail me it's 
jake@arbiterwm.com or you can 

1089
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:36,060
find me on Instagram. 
There is the arbiter, weight 

1090
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:39,540
management, Instagram or my 
personal one which is Texas 

1091
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:41,060
under score guy. 
Attitian. 

1092
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:45,240
It's GUY. 
It I always misspell that 

1093
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,240
dietician. 
Dietician with a guy at the 

1094
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,400
front? 
Awesome. 

1095
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,200
I'll link out to all those, Make
it easy for people to spell and 

1096
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,640
put in there without messing up,
and I'll link out to it, man. 

1097
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,560
I appreciate the time. 
I appreciate what you're doing 

1098
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,480
and keep killing it, man. 
Fantastic. 

1099
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Thank you so much, Robert. 
See you, brother. 

1100
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,280
Take care.