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Well, hello, listen Jens Robert 
Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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Today we got special guest 
Autumn Mcleese on the line. 

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She has struggled with different
forms of autoimmune issues. 

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We talked about how she's been 
able to resolve that. 

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She is currently struggling with
a liver function concern that as

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a result of supposed hepatitis C
that she doesn't know where she 

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got from. 
So we dive into different 

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modalities she's been using to 
test out and see if she can 

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improve that. 
She has gone down the rabbit 

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hole of all different types of 
quote UN quote, biohacking 

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modalities and different forms 
of functional medicine, 

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different forms of holistic 
health practices, basically 

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testing out and putting 
everything up to the test, 

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running the gamut, see what 
works, see what doesn't and been

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able to share that experience 
with us all today. 

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So thoroughly enjoy the 
conversation. 

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I am very curious and keen to 
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her journey going forward. 
Got no doubt that you will take 

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something from it so that 
further delay. 

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Sit back, relax, enjoy the 
podcast with Autumn Mcleese and 

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We Are Live Autumn, how are you?
Oh, I'm doing so great, Robert. 

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It's so great to be here with 
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I am excited to be chatting with
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You have a interesting story. 
I'm always for bringing people 

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on that have a story in which 
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conventional wisdom tells them 
that something can't be done and

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you just kind of, you know, fly 
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them wrong. 
So I'm excited to to peel the 

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curtain back on that and kind of
hear how that all unfolds. 

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Absolutely, that's that's 
definitely my story and I hope 

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to allow it to be an inspiration
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Well, I'm, I'm excited about it 
for sure. 

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Can you give me a little detail 
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the, the autoimmune issues. 
We'll, we'll dive into that. 

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But when you were before that 
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were you well versed in 
nutrition or lifestyle or did 

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that all kind of come as a 
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So it's kind of funny to segue 
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like awakening, if you will, 
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And I don't know how many people
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case. 
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one day, didn't have any kids, 
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I had the TV on just for the 
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And here comes this, it's 
infomercial, and it's this whole

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talk about this book that shares
natural cures that they don't 

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want you to know about. 
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interesting. 
It caught my ear and I was 

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listening so much so that they 
actually convinced me to buy the

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book. 
So I bought it, I got it in my 

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hands. 
I started looking through it, 

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started reading it, and I was 
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hearing and what I was learning 
and reading. 

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And it was basically this 
narrative that there are things 

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in our food that are essentially
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It's contributing to our 
illness, disease, things that 

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should not be there. 
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have it all together where 
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our health. 
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kind of angered me and I 
realized I feel like I'm a sheep

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to the slaughterhouse. 
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going to wind up with something.
So that was kind of my moment of

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awakening. 
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was some things like, you know, 
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actually a neurotoxin and it 
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point of death and it has all 
these other side effects and 

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they just so happens to be 
hidden under at the time it was 

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like 30 plus names. 
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this and then I went into my 
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to see in my packaged foods if 
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that I was learning about in 
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And sure enough, like one of my 
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ingredients had it in there like
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like, holy cow, I'm done. 
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So it basically just sparked and
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within me that I'm, I'm not 
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foods because they look good or 
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good or because they tell me 
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not. 
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I actually went down to a Trader
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mentioned in the book. 
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the first time. 
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section and seeing no nitrates 
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meat, you know, and then just 
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some of their other standards 
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name products. 
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this time, this season of 
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And I'm so grateful for it 
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walk around just trusting 
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And so it was a really, it was a
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appropriate timing considering 
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later, I was diagnosed with a 
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It I definitely dive into that, 
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kind of crazy like when you are 
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lifestyle that I mean, there's 
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ignorance is bliss mentality. 
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nutrition statement. 
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about that. 
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products are. 
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amazing what we put onto our 
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totally belligerent to the idea 
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not. 
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that rabbit hole, it's like you 
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learned and you just have to, 
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whole concept of no better do 
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I mean, that's that's very much 
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And I feel like a lot of people,
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glaring, you know, sickness or 
ailment or obesity or something 

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like that, they they're just not
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hey, something is not optimal. 
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it's not just, you know, yelling
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single day. 
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the curtain back and you 
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these toxins from the 
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life, it's like, wow, there's a 
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dimension out here that I didn't
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Yeah, and I mean, people are 
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cupboard, you know, And so I had
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And later, obviously, which 
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realize the weight of that 
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simply changing, I mean, we're 
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where we have options. 
It's not like you have to go out

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and make your own mayonnaise. 
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options out there for 
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So it's just a matter of me 
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place where I switched things 
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I, you know, I, I came into the 
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you know, the things to do, 
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It's it doesn't have to be 
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Yeah, it certainly doesn't. 
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it overwhelming initially. 
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they know somebody that is, you 
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detail of the ingredient list or
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whatever the case may be, it's 
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and be like, oh, they're just, 
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short. 
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everything. 
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Like everybody knows somebody 
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a day, eats the worst food and 
lives there. 95 But like once 

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you get to a point where you 
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really that much more of an 
effort to avoid it and you 

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actually learn to enjoy the 
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things. 
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the nutrition statements and 
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groceries. 
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figuring out what is best and 
what is, you know, what is to be

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avoided and what is to be 
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Yeah, I agree. 
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learning curve, but I actually 
Ioffer a little free clean swap 

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guide, which I can give you to 
for the listeners to actually 

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kind of help kick start their 
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detergent. 
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make up and there's even like a 
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fights mold in your home. 
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you. 
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So let's talk about about your 
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Like, how did that come into the
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Was that shocking to you? 
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play by play on that one. 
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infomercial was my time of 
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But it sometimes takes like this
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event to take place that really 
shakes you into OK, like what am

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I going to do? 
What path am I going to to 

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choose? 
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maybe relate. 
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your doctor, maybe you get some 
quote diagnosis and they say, 

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well, we don't know how you got 
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do or here's the medication, 
have a nice life. 

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And I know I've talked to 
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I know that that is a common 
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that's frustrating. 
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that about something called 
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autoimmune disease, and it was 
very frustrating to know that he

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didn't have any reason he could 
give me as to how I got this and

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literally nothing to do about 
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circumstances worse. 
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involves it was a, a vaginal 
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sclerosis can actually attack 
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girls are getting it more and 
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essentially can turn whitish and
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it's going to be a problem. 
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child at this point and it was 
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to go on to have a regular 
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daughter. 
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walked out of there feeling so 
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times I feel like with cancer 
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ourselves like a victim. 
The victim mentality of, oh, 

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this thing like got me, it came 
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mentality will defeat you when 
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that outside of take a drug or 
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appointment. 
Then you literally have become a

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victim. 
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There is so much that someone 
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aware. 
And so my story is one of, yes, 

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learning the things I needed to 
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especially with what you're 
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one. 
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point where I switched from 
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holistic medicine. 
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that doctor's office, I started 
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I knew enough to go and consider
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Who was out there. 
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found a holistic like functional
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I actually got to talk with the 
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I told her my circumstances and 
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help me? 
And she said yes, yes, I think 

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I, I think I can. 
So I set up an appointment. 

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She ran some blood work. 
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fully aware of the differences 
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holistic, even the blood work 
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Like the range for normal is 
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for them to label you as 
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far gone. 
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She she found autoimmunity 

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happening. 
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diet, rearranged some things, 
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based on my blood work. 
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watched my condition completely 
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And literally she was like, OK, 
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ahead, get ready to conceive. 
I went on to have a baby and a 

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beautiful vaginal birth that I 
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gonna be possible. 
But that's the power of the 

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body. 
It's made to heal. 

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No, I I freaking love that. 
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'cause like we have we had our 
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My my wife is like all about as 
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She was gonna do the home birth 
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Like the whole my yards. 
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second was actually was I had a 
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And then that actually 
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where I've now been a doula for,
let's see, 11 1/2 years. 

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Yeah, you and my wife need to 
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super passionate about that. 
Like she's listening to every 

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there's like a podcast on V bags
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single episode. 
I mean, she she's gone all in on

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this. 
Yes, but just simply one thing 

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to do a traditional vaginal 
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like AV bag like that is 
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controversial in the 
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Like it's crazy how people get 
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Oh, and it shouldn't be. 
It shouldn't be at all. 

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I went to so after having my 
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back seminar because I was so I 
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experience. 
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was that of not necessarily 
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here in Southern California. 
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like C-section happy. 
It's all about convenience. 

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It's all about, you know, 
protecting. 

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Unfortunately, you know their 
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It's just quote, easier to do AC
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not want to just sign up for 
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I would want that to be there if
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In my case, I didn't actually 
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I kind of got talked into it. 
My water had been broken, yada 

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yada. 
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I didn't know any better. 
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better, do better. 
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hours on the clock and I could 
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but I just went for it and had 
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So I did not. 
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women can really relate to this 
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birth dual and I've helped so 
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backs. 
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you feel robbed. 
You feel kind of like you've 

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missed out. 
Your wife can probably relate, 

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like you just want to be a part 
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wasn't. 
Now I tell all my clients, make 

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sure that they hold that baby up
like fresh out of you. 

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Like I didn't get to see that. 
They just showed me a cleaned up

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baby. 
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been anybody's baby. 
Of course I knew it was mine. 

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But it's just the mental thing 
of like, you've carried this 

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baby for nine months and like 
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Everybody else is a part of the 
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side of this curtain that you 
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So, you know, I knew I, I didn't
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was open to learning what, what,
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a home birth. 
I met with a, a local midwife to

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just discuss, OK, I knew that 
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share with me what would be my 
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go and have a vaginal birth in 
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And we got talking with her and 
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we're like, well, holy cow. 
I think we're just going to 

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start off at home and just see 
how things go. 

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We feel more comfortable and 
more confident with you. 

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We have learned more about birth
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ever had. 
So we decided, yeah, let's do 

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that. 
Let's start off at home. 

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So then I started preparing 
myself. 

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But prior to that I had gone to 
AV back seminar. 

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I had learned my doctor quoted 
me entirely wrong. 

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He said there's a 6% chance of 
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found out. 
Gosh, I think it's like a point.

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It's either .5 or .05. 
Yeah, I think it's. .0 something

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it's like it's so. 
Yeah, it's like .05 I think. 

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It's wrong. 
It's like, what? 

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Why is this? 
Why is this so misguided? 

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Oh yeah, and then it it 
literally goes to effect baby's 

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microbiome when baby doesn't get
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canal. 
So like Europe, for example. 

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This was a couple years ago. 
I haven't looked into it 

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recently, but last I heard they 
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amniotic fluid, you know, trying
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their microbiome because they 
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sterile. 
And it was, well, baby's gut is 

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sterile, but it was actually a 
lot of bad, hostile organisms 

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were present as opposed to, you 
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flora that we need. 
That's ultimately gonna help 

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grow baby's gut garden, if you 
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So all that to say, yeah, we 
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birth experience. 
And then that sent me into the 

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birthing world for sure. 
Yeah, 100% need to get you and 

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my wife in contact because she's
wanting to potentially pursue 

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that as a path as well, because 
she's incredibly passionate 

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about it. 
She's literally dove super deep 

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into it, the whole C-section 
mishap. 

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I mean, lots of, lots of 
emotions there for sure. 

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So yeah, y'all would totally, 
totally kick it off. 

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But yeah, we we digressed a 
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So all of that came post you 
recognizing that you're going to

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go the more natural route, heal 
the autoimmune issues and that 

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was completely resolved in the 
setting of having been 

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previously told four months 
prior that it was pretty much a 

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lost cause. 
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So that was that was very, that 
was a very empowering experience

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though to to see. 
So what we ended up doing, what 

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she recommended, is it her 
typical way? 

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And I have found this to be 
true. 

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I've seen a lot of holistic 
doctors now because I did end up

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having another unfortunate 
diagnosis, which just truly came

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out of left field. 
It's so bizarre, but we'll get 

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into that. 
Point being, I've seen a lot of 

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holistic doctors done a lot of 
holistic modalities, talked to a

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lot of people. 
And now I have my own podcast as

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well called Know Better, Do 
Better, which you had mentioned.

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And so just in learning. 
You know, about how much diet 

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impacts our health. 
The things that she recommended 

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that I do is she had me remove 
dairy and she had me 'cause she 

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saw I had a lot of yeast taking 
place. 

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And so dairy can be a bit of a 
fueler for yeast if you were 

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like myself. 
And then gluten and pretty much 

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did, we did a little bit of a 
Candida diet and then moved 

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into, you know, no dairy, no 
gluten supplements. 

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And then obviously leafy greens 
and, and different things and 

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whatnot, but more or less just 
basics was gluten and, and dairy

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removed. 
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help and me changing and really 
reading labels and getting more 

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back to raw foods and things, my
body healed. 

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And so that's the, that's the 
beautiful hope that's out there 

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for those that are listening to 
play a part in their healing 

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journey. 
They have more part in it than 

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what they realize. 
And so and also, you know, just 

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filling in those nutritional 
gaps is a big one as well. 

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Have you read Kate Shanahan's 
book Deep Nutrition by chance? 

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I have not. 
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especially as we were going 
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process. 
But that really kind of opened 

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my eyes as to how big an impact 
nutrition can have, not just on 

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your own well-being, obviously, 
but that of the the child and 

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utero and and beyond from like 
an epigenetic standpoint, 3 

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generations, 3-4 generations 
deep. 

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And that hardly ever gets talked
about. 

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Like people aren't focusing on 
this. 

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And like when it comes to 
gluten, like we're pretty much 

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all gluten intolerant. 
It's just a matter of how much 

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it gets manifested through 
symptoms. 

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But we're all intolerant of 
gluten. 

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Like that should not be in our 
diet as a species. 

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But like people that are not 
diving into this, they don't 

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really know. 
They don't know where to turn 

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and they go to their traditional
doctor and nutrition is like not

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even on the radar when you go 
into a traditional family 

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setting, family doctor practice.
Like that's not really 

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everything that are talked about
maybe very broadly, but I've 

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been to a handful of doctors and
they never mentioned nutrition 

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early on in the conversation. 
That's always something that I 

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have to bring up later on. 
It's just like kind of an 

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afterthought, which is 
unfortunate. 

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Yeah, it is, It is unfortunate. 
It's I've noticed that it really

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just depends upon the doctor and
how much they have done to 

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further their research. 
So for example, we have a good 

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friend, it's actually my best 
friend's husband. 

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And my best friend was very much
involved in, she was a GAPS 

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practitioner and she was, you 
know, certified in nutrition and

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she was practicing with 
incredible, you know, 

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integrative medicine and 
holistic practitioners. 

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And but her husband wanted to go
into medicine. 

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He wasn't sure which part of 
medicine, but he obviously 

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started just the conventional 
route, went through typical 

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medical school and but he had 
all these all the natural 

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holistic knowledge, the 
importance of nutrition that he 

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was carrying with him through 
medical school. 

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So it's very interesting to hear
when he finished and you you 

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talk to him now, you know, there
was like I want to say he said 

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maybe like 30 minutes of 
nutrition, you know, and it just

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not much at all. 
It's just a place of learning 

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diseases and the medications to 
treat them. 

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And that's basically it. 
And as I've come to learn and 

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talk to people, you know, it's 
some people call it like just 

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this medical monopoly. 
It's just almost like a funnel 

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system. 
You know, you, you get an 

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illness and you get the right 
medication for the illness. 

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And, and then, well, by golly, 
if you get side effects from 

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that medication, well, we don't 
worry. 

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We've got another medication for
that side effect. 

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And it's just a downward spiral 
that I feel like people can get 

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caught in. 
And I'm so glad. 

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I don't know how I, I just came 
to the place where I had my 

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awakening, but I'm so thankful 
for it because I would be in 

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such, I truly believe I would be
in such a different place. 

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I surely would not have been 
able to have a vaginal birth. 

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Like there was no way. 
Just take my word for it. 

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And, and then, you know, just 
beyond that, in all of our, like

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I've treated my family, we've 
learned how to naturally manage,

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you know, illness and disease in
our house for the most part 

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with, you know, flus and colds 
and things naturally. 

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So I'm just, I'm just so 
grateful that we've been able to

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work with the body's immune 
system in ways that builds up 

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the health and allows the body 
to function as God intended it 

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to function with its cleansing 
processes. 

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And, you know, and live in this 
site. 

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And not to say that we haven't 
ever used pharmaceuticals. 

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I got about a pneumonia and 
randomly and, you know, had to 

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go that route, but it's truly 
there as like for for at least 

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for me and for us, for our 
family as just emergency care. 

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What many would say it should 
just be there for We should not 

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be popping pills like candy, and
doctors should not be 

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prescribing it that way either. 
Yeah, I know 100% completely 

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agree. 
I think most people listen to 

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this podcast would as well when 
it comes to all these different 

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levers that one can pull in 
order to improve their health. 

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I mean, you've got nutrition, 
you've got environmental 

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factors, you've got sleep, 
supplementation, medication, 

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genetics to some extent, but 
obviously you can't really pull 

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levers there. 
Where would you place most 

450
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,840
emphasis? 
Like if someone is listening to 

451
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,360
this and going through the line 
of different things that they 

452
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:22,120
can manipulate, where should 
they place the majority of their

453
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,280
efforts? 
Time and attention. 

454
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,440
Obviously the more the more you 
know, the the better you can be 

455
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600
and you can just keep running 
over time, but where would 

456
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,080
somebody be best off starting 
and focusing their efforts? 

457
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,920
So it's kind of interesting 
timing because I'm on a journey 

458
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,640
that is just forever awakening 
me to more and more things. 

459
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,120
So I'm going to say I feel like 
it's a, it's a tie right now for

460
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,520
first place for me. 
And I'm still, well, food is 

461
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,240
huge. 
OK, I've just got to say, OK, 

462
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
food does, does rain as #1 for 
sure. 

463
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,200
Like you have to, you can't be 
eating McDonald's. 

464
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,800
Like to get better. 
Like you just, you have to, you 

465
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,720
have to change. 
But I would say a close second 

466
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,280
place is this whole concept. 
And maybe you've had some guests

467
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600
on your podcast that talk about 
the importance of the nervous 

468
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,000
system and the and nervous 
system regulation or someone 

469
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,200
that is like literally in a 
sympathetic fight or flight 

470
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,400
state constantly. 
And it's so interesting because 

471
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,560
I'm actually going through some 
nervous system coaching right 

472
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,680
now and it's like this brain 
rewiring nervous system 

473
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,240
regulation. 
And I, as I looked into it and I

474
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,960
learned about it, I found out 
that there is this whole other 

475
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,240
world of people overcoming. 
Not to say now they do 

476
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,160
incorporate clean eating and 
some supplements in it because 

477
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,280
that is foundational. 
You do need to fill in those 

478
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,840
gaps and any clean but right 
behind that or right with it 

479
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,920
comes. 
How do you view the world? 

480
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,320
How do you live out your life 
with people? 

481
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,600
Are you triggered often? 
Do you live in a heightened 

482
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:24,480
state of stress and anxiety? 
Because if you do, your nervous 

483
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:31,840
system is not ever able to calm 
down into rest and digest and 

484
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:37,520
therefore won't even have a 
window of opportunity to be able

485
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,040
to regulate and up and overcome 
the circumstances. 

486
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,920
So it's it's I've come to 
realize it is so very important 

487
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080
that we do address some of these
things. 

488
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,200
And some people might need them 
more than others. 

489
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,840
But yeah, I would say that there
might be some some illness in 

490
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,440
some situations that are deeper 
rooted that have maybe more of a

491
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,640
nervous system component to it. 
And then others that, you know, 

492
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,800
maybe by just some dietary 
changes and learning to know 

493
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,120
better and do better. 
You know your your body can get 

494
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,920
enough of an upper hand at that 
point to come in and and gain 

495
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,000
back control and conquer. 
I have had a few guests on the 

496
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,280
podcast dive into the, the 
emotional state, the 

497
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,520
psychological state, the, the 
nervous system kind of a depth. 

498
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,280
And it, it is very interesting. 
Like that is something that we 

499
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,120
probably wouldn't even really be
talking about if this were 

500
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000
recorded. 
You know, 200 years ago that 

501
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,840
wouldn't even be on the radar. 
But now it's like we live in an 

502
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,960
environment in which case 
there's just so many other 

503
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,320
things that are dysregulating or
natural circadian rhythms are 

504
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,520
natural, you know, sympathetic, 
a parasympathetic states that 

505
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,800
you have to almost actively try 
to, you know, cycle that in the 

506
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,120
correct format or else your body
will just simply be in a state 

507
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,520
of disarray. 
And I feel like that has 

508
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,520
heightened as of late for sure, 
especially with, you know, 

509
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,720
social media and, and sleep 
dysregulation stressors. 

510
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,720
People have micro traumas, 
emotional states, all, all of 

511
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,680
this stuff is getting compounded
over time and our, our, we're 

512
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,760
spending much more time in a 
fight and flight versus rest and

513
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,480
digest state as a species, I 
think. 

514
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,640
So I think giving that more time
and attention to try and return 

515
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,120
to some degree of our innate 
being makes a ton of sense. 

516
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,840
Yeah, I agree. 
And especially hearing some of 

517
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,000
the testimonies that are out 
there, it's it's pretty 

518
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920
powerful. 
So I it's been told to me like 

519
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,360
this. 
I will, I will say it like this.

520
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,960
If you have switched your diet, 
if you are taking the 

521
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,480
supplements, if you feel like 
you're doing all the things and 

522
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,400
you're still not getting better,
look to the nervous system. 

523
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,160
I think it's a fair statement 
for sure. 

524
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,000
I feel like a lot of people too 
are so out of tune with their 

525
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,680
body and the brain. 
They don't even know what is 

526
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,960
feasible. 
I don't know what's possible. 

527
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,800
I don't know what better is 
because they don't necessarily 

528
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,680
feel unwell because they don't 
know what optimal even halfway 

529
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,640
feels like. 
And I think so many people are 

530
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,720
just simply so out of tune with 
their natural state that they 

531
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,080
don't even know that there is an
issue at hand. 

532
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,720
I 100% agree. 
I had a conversation with 

533
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Barbara O'Neill. 
I don't know if you know who 

534
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,800
that is, but she was talking 
about the same thing of, you 

535
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,520
know, even when it comes to 
like, food sensitivities and 

536
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,480
things, if we were just to 
listen to our bodies more with 

537
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,600
like, well, how did I feel after
that meal? 

538
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760
You know, like back in the olden
days, they would say, did that 

539
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
meal sit well with you? 
You know, And it's like, that 

540
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,960
was just more of a thing. 
And now we're literally eating 

541
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,440
on the go, rushing out the door.
I mean, I don't know how our 

542
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,960
body can, like, properly digest 
when we're in a heightened 

543
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
stress state and we're literally
running and walking. 

544
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,880
We're not even sitting down to 
have a meal anymore because of 

545
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,920
the fastness, the fast pace of 
life these days. 

546
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Yeah. 
And like for me in my space, you

547
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,280
know, I'm always talking about, 
you know, macronutrient 

548
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,200
distribution of certain types of
foods. 

549
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,840
But like all of that is for not 
if your body is not assimilating

550
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,960
the food that you're giving it, 
like you can have the most 

551
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,320
dialed in macros, the perfect 
meal frequency, the right Perry 

552
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,680
workout nutrition, like you 
could have all that stuff dialed

553
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,240
in Florida State. 
But if you are not consuming 

554
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,960
that food in a, you know, in a 
state that allows for proper 

555
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,880
absorption and then then you're 
just shooting yourself in the 

556
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680
foot. 
Right. 

557
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,080
And like I haven't even delved 
into like the whole chewing bit,

558
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,200
right? 
Like isn't there this whole 

559
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,920
science behind making sure you 
chew your food properly? 

560
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,120
And obviously that comes with 
just slowing down and consuming 

561
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,160
your meal in a certain like 
state of mind and and a restful 

562
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,560
state with your body instead of,
you know, on the go. 

563
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Yeah totally agree. 
One thing that I've done I'll be

564
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,120
curious to get your thoughts on,
but I'm, I'm pretty much just 

565
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520
eat 2 meals a day. 
Sometimes I just do it one meal 

566
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,520
a day if I'm in a low caloric 
intake and I'm vying down for a 

567
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,520
competition. 
But when I have that one or two 

568
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,640
meal a day, it's very much so a 
planned regimented thing. 

569
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Like I know what I'm going to 
consume before I consume it. 

570
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920
I, I make it an experience with 
my family. 

571
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Like I, I try not to be just 
mindlessly eating and it allows 

572
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,480
like there's, there's so much 
like your body operates in 

573
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,680
recognizable patterns, like you 
build these, these neurofeedback

574
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040
links throughout your day-to-day
routine and your body can 

575
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,320
appreciate that your body can 
regulate around that. 

576
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,960
It just sets itself up for 
success based off a given set of

577
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,040
routines. 
And as such, like my hunger, my 

578
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,520
satiety, all of that is kind of 
In Sync with this routine that 

579
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800
I've built into place. 
But for people that are never 

580
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,440
eating at the same time, never 
drinking at the same time, are 

581
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
eating so many different foods 
that they don't even know what 

582
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,760
they're responding well to or 
poorly to. 

583
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,120
Like there is no opportunity for
the body to up regulate these 

584
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,880
these pattern recognition 
states. 

585
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,800
And therefore they they just 
never really can possibly 

586
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120
optimize for anything. 
And their body's not going to be

587
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,040
able to metabolize the food that
it is consuming in an efficient 

588
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,400
manner in arrested states. 
They're just constantly going to

589
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,960
be fighting with, you know, 
indigestion, GI distress, poor 

590
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
energy levels. 
Like it's just so far removed 

591
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,440
from what is optimal as a 
species. 

592
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,360
I couldn't agree more. 
Yep. 

593
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,080
But but yeah, so as far as 
nutrition goes, know what you 

594
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,239
know now? 
Like how do you structure your 

595
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,520
own personal diet? 
Well, for me, so my 

596
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,640
circumstances are different now.
I don't know if we want to roll 

597
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,960
into that, but basically I've 
been on kind of a, I've kind of 

598
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:08,320
been on a journey of, of 
figuring out what, what is best 

599
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,440
due to a liver circumstance now 
and trying to figure out what 

600
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,560
is, what is best for my liver. 
So I would say I I'm still 

601
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,320
walking that I'm still walking 
that journey in in in figuring 

602
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,240
that out amongst a couple of the
things. 

603
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,760
This is autoimmune related as 
well. 

604
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,960
No. 
So three years ago this month, I

605
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,280
mysteriously, and I say 
mysteriously, I'll explain why, 

606
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,440
but I was diagnosed with 
hepatitis C and this has been 

607
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:49,160
like quite the journey, Robert, 
because as you can imagine, I 

608
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,840
had all this awareness and yet 
something like this, which 

609
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,800
apparently it said estimated 50 
million people have it. 

610
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,840
They don't, they don't know it 
necessarily. 

611
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,680
Not all of them, but this is a 
liver condition that is said to 

612
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,960
be viral related. 
So essentially how most people 

613
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:18,160
contract it, they say it's blood
borne is through like drugs, 

614
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,440
needle sharing. 
I've never done a drug in my 

615
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:28,120
life through tattoos, through 
blood infusions or yeah, blood 

616
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040
infusions or blood transfusions.
There we go. 

617
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,560
And potentially if like you're 
promiscuous that my husband and 

618
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,160
I, we've actually only been with
each other and he doesn't have 

619
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,520
it. 
So this came out of left field. 

620
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:47,000
I had three gastroenterologists 
tell me that they that I must 

621
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,320
have gotten it from a nail 
salon, but this just really 

622
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,160
hasn't made a whole lot of sense
to me. 

623
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,280
So I've been on a bit of a 
journey with my liver that has 

624
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,840
been inflamed and I have this 
quote viral load. 

625
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:08,920
And I have to ask you something.
Have you ever looked at or 

626
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,920
talked with someone when it 
comes to viral theory? 

627
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,040
I know about it brief like, I 
know about it vaguely, but I 

628
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,560
don't know how to speak 
intelligently on it. 

629
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,800
So unlike me. 
OK, Well, I will just speak to 

630
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,120
what I know for my particular 
virus is it's it's interesting. 

631
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,520
I have, I had four doctors come 
to me and say you don't have 

632
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,880
hepatitis C, There is no such 
thing. 

633
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,160
There is no isolation for this 
virus. 

634
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,600
And so it's really set me in 
this place of like I, I, I 

635
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,720
already didn't know what to make
of it because I literally have 

636
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:53,240
no way I could have gotten this.
So when I had these doctors come

637
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,560
and say what they said, I'm 
like, well, let me hear you out.

638
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Like, what are, what are you 
talking about? 

639
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,440
And it is very interesting. 
We don't need to go down this 

640
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,720
rabbit hole too much. 
But I will just say that the way

641
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:09,840
that they claim that I have a 
virus floating around in my 

642
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,000
bloodstream that is affecting my
liver is kind of bogus. 

643
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000
It really is when you get into 
the science of like how they do 

644
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,080
the test. 
And so it's essentially like 

645
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,600
getting part of my blood and 
starving it and dehydrating it 

646
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,360
and then putting in some like 
monkey kidney cells or something

647
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,520
and then dousing it with a bit 
of antibiotic that happens to be

648
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,720
particularly destructive to 
kidney cells. 

649
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:43,400
And then if my blood presents or
expresses itself in a certain 

650
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,000
way that I magically am deemed I
have hepatitis C. 

651
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,120
And so it's very interesting. 
It's something I really want to 

652
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,960
dig into. 
So we'll leave the listeners 

653
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,480
hanging on that. 
More to come. 

654
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,280
I did an interview with a doctor
actually that she was just on 

655
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,560
and she's, she wanted to 
actually do a whole episode on 

656
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,720
it. 
And so we went through it. 

657
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,160
And it's interesting because the
the definition of isolation is 

658
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,640
actually not what you think it 
is. 

659
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,360
It's not separating out one 
thing from the rest. 

660
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:20,440
And so it, yeah, it just leaves 
a lot of question Marks and a 

661
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,800
lot of these actually these four
doctors that came to question, 

662
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,160
they started the questioning 
during, you know, the last year 

663
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,240
pandemic of COVID. 
And so they, they started 

664
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,720
researching and then found 
themselves in this place of, of,

665
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,880
of questioning so much of it. 
So with all that said, jury's 

666
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,080
still out, but I am there's 
anyone listening that has this. 

667
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,160
I am determined to be a 
trailblazer in this space. 

668
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,800
It's like said it can't be done.
They want me to take an $80,000 

669
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,400
medication that has a black box 
warning that is very dangerous 

670
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,000
to take and so in trying to 
navigate. 

671
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,440
You know, the state of my liver 
and everything that's kind of 

672
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,040
where I'm at this interesting 
place of, of still like figuring

673
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,080
out different aspects of where 
I'm at my diet and and whatnot. 

674
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,360
But all that's to say, that's 
where I'm at. 

675
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,640
And there's no definitive proof 
that you haven't, that you do in

676
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,120
fact have hepatitis C. 
Like there's debate as to that. 

677
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Mainstream conventional medicine
would say absolutely not. 

678
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,000
And yet there's these other, 
this other side that says no, 

679
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,560
there's no such thing. 
And, and when you look at the 

680
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,520
science for yourself as they 
have and I have started to it's,

681
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,400
it's like, I don't see how that 
results in you isolating a 

682
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,880
virus. 
You don't have a viral particle 

683
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,600
out there in a jar somewhere 
that is hepatitis C. 

684
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:11,080
And, and, and even going back to
when I think it was the late 

685
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,960
18th or 19th century now they, 
they, they came up with this 

686
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,840
whole viral theory of viruses 
before, I think it was before 

687
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,160
they even had the electron 
microscope. 

688
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,880
And the electron microscope I 
believe is, is the microscope 

689
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,160
that's supposed to be able to 
see particles and things as 

690
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,320
small as a virus or what not. 
So anyway, it's just, it's very 

691
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,800
interesting if, if I get to the 
bottom of it, Robert, I'll have 

692
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,840
to come back on and fill 
everybody in as to how it all 

693
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,200
concluded. 
But in the meantime, I am 

694
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,160
working on healing my liver and 
I, I have many people that have 

695
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,200
said you can absolutely heal. 
And so, yeah, just working on 

696
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,840
finding out if there's a toxin 
or a poison or something in my 

697
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,360
body that is just really 
aggravating it. 

698
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,120
And so, yeah, more to come. 
We will get to the bottom of it.

699
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,520
Is it manifesting itself in any 
like noticeable symptoms or 

700
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,760
you're just noticing higher, you
know, liver markers on your 

701
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
blood panels? 
Yeah, that's The thing is, so 

702
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,160
most people with hepatitis C, 
they don't have any other 

703
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,920
symptoms and there's nothing 
else really to write home about.

704
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,800
The biggest, maybe most common 
thing people could say is some 

705
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,800
fatigue. 
But I mean, who doesn't have a 

706
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040
little bout of fatigue every 
once in a while, you know? 

707
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,480
So yeah, there's really, really 
not much to to say. 

708
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,800
And yeah, I, I did just find it 
in routine blood work when my 

709
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,040
holistic practitioner who had 
helped me with the lichen 

710
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,080
sclerosis, she pulls up my blood
work and she's like, Autumn, 

711
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,120
what is the matter with your 
liver? 

712
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,240
And I'm like, what are you 
talking about? 

713
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,480
And she's like, I gotta check 
you for the different types of 

714
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,960
hepatitis. 
And I'm like, well, that can't 

715
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
be mine because I don't have any
way I could have gotten 

716
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,920
anything. 
So she checked and yeah, came 

717
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,640
back so well. 
That's interesting for sure. 

718
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Is there like anything that 
you're trying to specifically 

719
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,480
include or avoid as far as 
dietary or environmental factors

720
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,800
go in an attempt to, you know, 
help with the liver function? 

721
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Yeah, so definitely gluten. 
Fruits do really well with the 

722
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,000
liver. 
Meat. 

723
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:33,360
I love meat and I feel like my 
body needs it, but it also can 

724
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,440
be a little hard on the liver if
I have too much of it too often.

725
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,360
So just trying to find the 
balance with that and checking 

726
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,160
in on some blood work and, and, 
and my liver enzymes and that 

727
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,600
kind of thing. 
But there has been some really 

728
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,720
cool modalities. 
What before we leave this topic,

729
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,440
I want to, I want to make sure 
and give a shout out to 

730
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,560
something called Bowen Therapy. 
Have you ever heard of that? 

731
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,680
No. 
What is it? 

732
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,240
Oh my gosh, it's like this 
incredible modality. 

733
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,000
It's an Australian modality. 
I believe the man's name was Tom

734
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,360
Bowen. 
You'll have to, you'll have to 

735
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:19,040
go look this up. 
But it is a it, it does a 

736
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,600
multitude of things. 
So Tom Bowen was able to pretty 

737
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,840
much take someone out of like 
having a frozen shoulder and 

738
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,600
being able to have some mobility
in like 12 minutes. 

739
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,920
And he helped all sorts of 
conditions from pain to 

740
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:43,440
migraines. 
He, he's like my Bowen therapist

741
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,680
has literally saved people from 
needing surgery. 

742
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,760
So what it is is it is this 
like, it's like slight 

743
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,320
manipulations in the fascia. 
So it's a little bit of like a, 

744
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,200
a tug and pull type movement. 
It, it sounds, it looks like 

745
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,160
they're literally doing nothing.
I mean, you're like, why am I 

746
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,640
spending money on this? 
And it said that you want to, if

747
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,400
you're going to give it a try, 
you need to do at least three 

748
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,560
times. 
And so, yeah, it's incredible. 

749
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,400
They do they, they have these 
different places on the body. 

750
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,680
So some of the places I asked 
'cause I was curious, some of 

751
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,000
the places correlate with the 
same like points as acupuncture,

752
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,480
but others are actually 
completely unique to Bowen. 

753
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,840
And it can address the nervous 
system and calm the nervous 

754
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,120
system. 
It has like a, a vagal nerve 

755
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,920
reset point. 
It also, so when you look into 

756
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,880
the fascia, which I'm sure you 
probably know this, but the 

757
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,640
fascia is responsible. 
It's like our signaling highway 

758
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,720
and our body communicates with 
itself through the fascia. 

759
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,480
And so by doing some of these 
little manipulations, he had 

760
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,640
figured out to essentially how 
to send signals to parts of the 

761
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,480
body that need healing or need 
attention. 

762
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,960
So maybe there's pain and 
inflammation and in a knee or, 

763
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,720
you know, something in an ankle.
My mom, she didn't even know she

764
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,320
had broken her foot. 
She was like walking on her foot

765
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,320
for a month and a half. 
And everyone said, oh, your 

766
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,760
foot's fine. 
She ended up having like, a 

767
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,760
actually a bit of a break 
because when it finally healed, 

768
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,040
it healed really funky. 
And but she had such swelling in

769
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,960
her foot and her ankle. 
And she got a session of Bowen. 

770
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,600
This was like, you know, 
probably a month in or 

771
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,760
something. 
And we could not believe how 

772
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,280
much the swelling went down. 
I mean, it was just incredible. 

773
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,120
And so I had a friend that had 
sciatica. 

774
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,680
One treatment took the sciatica 
away. 

775
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,880
And I mean, you would laugh at 
what they're doing, but it's 

776
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,440
such precise little 
manipulations and so powerful. 

777
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,560
So I would encourage everyone 
go, you know, hop on YouTube, 

778
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,120
look up bow and therapy and it's
it's incredible. 

779
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:13,680
And I will say, let's see, I was
about a year, I think, into my 

780
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,080
journey with this liver thing 
and it's still a mystery. 

781
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,400
It's still so interesting. 
But I had gotten my third 

782
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520
session of Bowen. 
I was like, OK, I'm giving it 

783
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,680
your three. 
That's it. 

784
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,040
You know, and I had just gotten 
blood work done. 

785
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,440
I got blood work done prior and 
had a marker starting place. 

786
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:36,240
But right after I my third 
session and it literally brought

787
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:41,760
my liver enzymes down to normal.
I could not believe it. 

788
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,920
Then like, you know, the 
passionate person that I am, I 

789
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,640
like randomly went off and did 
some parasite cleanse because I 

790
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,720
got into this, you know, path of
wanting to look at parasites as 

791
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,960
a possibility. 
And unfortunately that did 

792
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,720
something and just shot it all 
back up. 

793
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,200
But man, it is the most 
incredible modality for so many 

794
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,640
things and for just relaxing the
nervous system. 

795
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,120
Let me just put it this way. 
The gal that does Bowen work 

796
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,400
that I see, she used to be a 
massage therapist. 

797
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,960
She killed her hands for years 
and now she switched to Bowen. 

798
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,240
She is actually helping people 
far greater than massage. 

799
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,080
So she says things that she 
wasn't ever able to do with 

800
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,040
massage. 
She can do that and more with 

801
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,360
Bowen Therapy. 
Yeah, I'm definitely going to 

802
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,080
check it out. 
How do you is it BOENBOWN? 

803
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,520
What is it, Bowen? 
Bowen OK, I'll check that out 

804
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,320
for sure after the podcast. 
Yeah, and they, if there's a 

805
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,800
website you can go to look and 
find certified practitioners in 

806
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,720
and around you. 
There's like quite a few of them

807
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,040
in Hawaii. 
I, I like looked up one once 

808
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,400
'cause I had like a kink in my 
neck. 

809
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,680
And instead of going to a 
chiropractor, which 

810
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,640
chiropractors are great, They 
still have their place in my 

811
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,240
opinion. 
But I'm like, I want to get a 

812
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,600
bone therapist. 
And so sure enough, she she 

813
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,800
helps so much. 
Well, 100% agree with the fascia

814
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,040
tissue being such a, you know, 
predominant factor in levels of 

815
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,480
stress, fatigue, recovery. 
Like the fascia tissue is 

816
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,840
literally interlinking every 
single muscle in her body. 

817
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,960
So if that is not synced up 
properly, you're going to have a

818
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,600
hard time recovering. 
And that can most definitely 

819
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,480
have an impact on your nervous 
state whether you're stressed or

820
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,280
relaxed. 
So that makes that makes 

821
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,040
intuitive sense to me. 
Yeah. 

822
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,120
Very interesting. 
Well I am very curious to see 

823
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,240
how all this plays out for you. 
So what is the primary objective

824
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,440
or focus now? 
Like where? 

825
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,280
Where is most of your time and 
tension going at the moment? 

826
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,400
Well, I have been through 
numerous different modalities, 

827
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,000
things that I didn't even 
realize that we're out there, 

828
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,080
which I will just kind of share 
quickly as a mention to continue

829
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,240
the awareness. 
I've had a lot of Ivs so like 

830
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:09,080
vitamin CIIV, hydrogen peroxide,
UV light, which they send your 

831
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,000
blood through like AUV light and
it's supposed to destroy 

832
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,560
bacteria and viruses and 
parasites, etcetera. 

833
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,560
I've done a lot of detoxing 
protocols. 

834
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:26,560
I had this one really cool 
energetic modality that it's 

835
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,320
called therapy. 
And it's, I don't know how 

836
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,320
common it is that you can find 
it. 

837
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,080
It seems to be pretty costly. 
And this gal who's in LA seemed 

838
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,680
to kind of pride herself on the 
fact that she had one of these 

839
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,840
machines. 
But it's basically got a Tesla 

840
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,760
coil underneath the table that, 
like, powers these noble gases. 

841
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,600
And you lay in between it. 
And the energetic field that is 

842
00:50:53,600 --> 00:51:02,200
exchanged between the noble 
gases is one that raises the 

843
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:08,880
like and ignites the electrons 
in the body and kind of raises. 

844
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:17,000
How would you say rejuvenates 
the low like sickly stagnant 

845
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,600
areas of the body? 
So say like my liver is 

846
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,000
probably, well, it is, it's 
inflamed and it's not 

847
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,840
functioning optimally. 
And so it was that with some 

848
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,080
microcurrents that she put 
directly on my body was really 

849
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,120
helping. 
So there's just a lot of cool 

850
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,880
things out there that we can do.
And, you know, there's very 

851
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,120
physical treatments like Ivs and
supplements and cleanses. 

852
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,440
And then there's, you know, some
of these energetic things that 

853
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:54,520
are physical, tangible energy 
fields that work, you know, in 

854
00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,320
harmony with the body. 
But recently I have I watched 

855
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,160
the documentary Earthing I I 
don't know if you've had one of 

856
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:06,240
my. 
Employees just watched it. 

857
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,400
I have not seen it, but one of 
my employees just watched it. 

858
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:15,160
OK, yeah, Clint Ober, he is 
behind the documentary and he 

859
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,960
had done a lot of research with 
grounding. 

860
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,880
And so I just bought a grounding
mat for my bed and man, I'm 

861
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,640
sleeping so good. 
And it's interesting because 

862
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,720
apparently I didn't realize I've
heard about grounding and I'm 

863
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,440
like, all for it. 
Like, great, yeah, I'll put my 

864
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,080
feet on the ground when I can. 
But I didn't realize that 

865
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,280
literally you can't stay 
grounded for a period of time 

866
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,000
and still have inflammation in 
the body. 

867
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:50,360
So it helps like renew, remove 
and neutralize inflammation and 

868
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:56,440
the the thermal images that take
place before someone grounds and

869
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,960
even 2 hours after is a 
significant increase or 

870
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,400
decrease. 
And so, yeah, so I've been doing

871
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:12,240
that and I am currently on just 
a supplement protocol. 

872
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,280
I was also doing some light wave
patches. 

873
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,640
I don't know if you've heard of 
those. 

874
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,720
It stirs up like a copper 
peptide, which ultimately 

875
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,520
triggers into more stem cell 
production. 

876
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,400
So yeah, I'm still feeling some 
things out over here working 

877
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,160
through. 
I'm also, like I said, doing the

878
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,240
nervous system coaching and 
brain rewiring 'cause I, I can 

879
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,760
be a bit of a spaz. 
I have a lot of passions and I 

880
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,600
can go, go, go. 
And so that was one of the 

881
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,440
things that this diagnosis has 
actually been such a blessing. 

882
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:53,720
It's furthered my awareness and 
my just understanding of of how 

883
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,480
the body works. 
And therefore I can further go 

884
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,760
on to help and educate people. 
But yeah, I had to get real with

885
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,520
myself, with my nervous system. 
I was on the go too much and, 

886
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:11,240
you know, just had to dig up 
some things and had to face some

887
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:16,440
things and actually get more in 
touch with autumn. 

888
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,080
Why are you feeling this way? 
And, and, and then work towards 

889
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,760
reversing that and learning to 
calm myself down. 

890
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,240
And so that's a beautiful 
process that I would, you know, 

891
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:28,840
highly recommend as well. 
Yeah, I think, I think the, the,

892
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,880
the biohacking space, just kind 
of listening to you go through 

893
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,400
some of these different 
modalities is always very 

894
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,560
interesting to me. 
Like some of them it's like, 

895
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,840
man, that makes total sense. 
Some of them, it's like, I can't

896
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,240
possibly see how that would be 
efficacious. 

897
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,200
But I appreciate everybody doing
all these things and 

898
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,400
experimenting and figuring out 
what works and what doesn't. 

899
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,560
That's how that's how momentum 
is made. 

900
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Like you have to, you have to 
put it to a test to see what 

901
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,160
works and what doesn't and be 
objective and subjective with 

902
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,840
it. 
So I think it's also what you're

903
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,200
doing all this stuff. 
Yeah, and I want to say, like 

904
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,800
most, the reason why I'm having 
to do so many things is because 

905
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,680
I'm the trailblazer over here. 
You know, most of the time for, 

906
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,120
I would say most conditions, you
can find someone out there, a 

907
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,080
holistic practitioner of some 
sort that has usually helped 

908
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:20,960
people overcome XYZ. 
And in my certain circumstances,

909
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,520
there really has not been that 
in that. 

910
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,120
In that documentary, there's 
actually a gal that talks about 

911
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,520
how she or no, that was a 
different documentary, but there

912
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,680
is a gal that talked about how 
she fasted and supposedly her 

913
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,440
hepatitis C like went away. 
So that will probably eventually

914
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,520
come up on my list. 
But I'm, I'm paving away over 

915
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
here for something. 
So it's a process, it's a 

916
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,760
journey. 
I'm learning a lot. 

917
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,000
And like I said, I I will be 
back when I have conquered and 

918
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,640
we will share. 
Yeah, no, I'm always very keen 

919
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,440
to learn more and I'm intrigued 
to see where this journey takes 

920
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,040
you. 
So by all means, keep me in the 

921
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,880
loop and let me know what you 
find out as you test out these 

922
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,320
different things. 
Figure out what works, what 

923
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,480
doesn't, and and definitely keep
me posted. 

924
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,200
I will. 
And one more thing I want to ask

925
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:13,800
you and throw in before we, 
before we end is holistic or 

926
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,320
biological dentistry. 
Have you dug much into that? 

927
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,840
Dentistry. 
Biological. 

928
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Dentistry, yes. 
No, I'm very picky on my my 

929
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,880
dentist, but what is what is 
biological dentistry? 

930
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,880
OK, so this is fascinating and 
this is part of my journey. 

931
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,720
Yet again, there is a 
practitioner. 

932
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,560
There's there's quite a few 
practitioners now you can go 

933
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,200
look up one of them. 
His name is Doctor Blodgett on 

934
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:47,800
Instagram and he is very much in
the know of how hidden dental 

935
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,760
infections can actually 
contribute to some of our 

936
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,600
illness and disease. 
And that was one of the rocks 

937
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,400
that I have had to go turn over.
You know, when someone has 

938
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,040
cancer, they adjust their diet, 
they adjust their mental and 

939
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,160
emotional state. 
They, you know, they actually 

940
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,520
look at the mouth and and 
dentistry. 

941
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:17,640
And so who knew that you 
actually want to go to a dentist

942
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,960
that is conservative and not 
overly, you know, filling your 

943
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,000
mouth. 
So a biological dentist is 

944
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,200
someone, let's see how I can 
wrap this up, someone that is 

945
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:37,040
mindful of the body and oral 
connection and how when you 

946
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,240
drill and compromise a tooth, 
there is always risk for 

947
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,520
infection and bacteria, 
especially with root canals. 

948
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,640
In fact, I was just talking to a
biological dentist recently 

949
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,480
that's working with some studies
with women of breast cancer. 

950
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,680
And they said that so far they 
have a small study group, but so

951
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:04,560
far every single woman in their 
group that had breast cancer had

952
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,200
a root canal. 
And they're finding that root 

953
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,720
canals like Doctor Blodgett, 
you'll see on Instagram. 

954
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,160
And then this other doctor in in
Missouri, his name is Doctor Yu.

955
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Why I think it was Yu. 
He does energetic testing that 

956
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:28,320
checks for your teeth and if 
essentially your body is trying 

957
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,560
to reject a tooth, if it's in 
harmony with your body or if 

958
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,440
it's not. 
And through that, he has written

959
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,440
now medical research papers that
I believe have wound up in 

960
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,480
journals that he's literally 
finding like a woman that had 

961
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,400
chronically high blood pressure,
tried everything, found he found

962
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,280
a tooth that was infected. 
Now, mind you, the dentist 

963
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,480
doesn't see this. 
This is a hidden dental 

964
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,720
infection where the body is 
constantly stressed and 

965
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,280
constantly trying to ward off 
this infection that's in the 

966
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,880
mouth. 
But literally nothing can be 

967
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,720
done because it's in the mouth 
hidden in this like this kind of

968
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,200
cavitation that has that has 
opened up and pulled the tooth 

969
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,960
high blood pressure was gone the
next day. 

970
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:26,880
And it is fascinating and yet 
just another area to look at if 

971
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,960
someone is not overcoming 
something to go find a dentist. 

972
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,680
Now it's not all biological 
dentists that do that like 

973
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,480
energetic testing to find this 
and they, they can do like a 

974
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:42,600
cone, I think it's called a cone
beam X-ray and that can see 

975
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680
deeper into it. 
Like for example, wisdom teeth 

976
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:51,960
that were taken out, you know, 
as a child. 

977
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,360
I have a friend that had 
lymphoma that she was treating 

978
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,880
it naturally and she had her 
wisdom tooth. 

979
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,280
It didn't completely close up. 
There was a hollow space in 

980
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,800
there. 
She had infection in that space.

981
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,480
They ended up digging it out, 
testing it, sure enough, 

982
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,600
infection. 
And they had also diagnosed this

983
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,600
with the energetic testing 
saying. 

984
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,520
You've got something bad 
happening in this space. 

985
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,560
So they went to a biological 
dentist such as Blodgett, and 

986
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,640
there's some others out there. 
There's a website actually that 

987
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,280
you can find a biological 
dentist in your area. 

988
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:35,440
And anyway, they actually don't 
fill the space or they don't do 

989
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,560
root canals with the Super toxic
materials that the average 

990
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,200
dentist uses. 
They actually spin down your 

991
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,600
blood and your own plasma and 
that way it won't be rejected 

992
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,600
and it's just part of the body 
filling in more of the body. 

993
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,000
And they've had great success 
with this, but it's just such an

994
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,320
interesting topic and area to 
focus on. 

995
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,400
And it basically learned to like
try and stay away from root 

996
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,240
canals at all expenses. 
You might consider having 

997
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,040
someone on there on your podcast
like Doctor Blodgett. 

998
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,840
He talks about metal in the 
mouth and, and mercury and how 

999
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:17,720
it's basically like just it's a 
salt bath of metal and salt and 

1000
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,920
it's like having like a battery 
in your mouth with all these 

1001
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:25,560
different types of metals and 
that, you know, mercury is 

1002
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,360
constantly off gassing in the 
mouth. 

1003
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,280
Even just the slightest little 
friction of you chewing causes 

1004
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,920
it to off gas. 
And so then that's a complete 

1005
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,320
other stressor of of that, you 
know, taking place in your body 

1006
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,640
having to deal with that and the
the blood brain barrier and all 

1007
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,440
that. 
So anyway, whole other thing to 

1008
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,480
go down, but definitely go check
it out. 

1009
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,120
Yeah, no, it's all super 
interesting to me. 

1010
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,400
I definitely know of people that
have had heavy metal toxicity 

1011
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,640
due to, you know, feelings that 
they've had throughout the 

1012
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,400
years. 
I've been super fortunate in 

1013
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,040
that department. 
Like I don't have any, any tooth

1014
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,640
work done whatsoever apart from 
just routine cleaning. 

1015
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,600
Like I haven't had, I've never 
had a cavity and that stuff. 

1016
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,680
So that's been my saving grace 
there. 

1017
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,600
But yeah, I think it only makes 
sense to go as much of the 

1018
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,400
biological right as possible and
not do any unnecessary work or 

1019
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,320
certainly not use any, you know,
negative fillings that would 

1020
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,320
cause some type of heavy metal 
toxist. 

1021
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,640
That just does not seem like a 
sound, sound game plan at all. 

1022
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,280
So I will definitely dive deeper
into that. 

1023
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,960
Yeah, they're just more, they're
just more naturally minded. 

1024
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,800
They use ozone, ozone gases. 
When they like clean a tooth, 

1025
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,040
they'll fill it with like ozone 
gas to help kill any bacteria. 

1026
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,840
So it they've got all sorts of 
fancy stuff they'll have like 

1027
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,720
filtered water and all sorts of 
extra things just because 

1028
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,680
they're more holistically 
naturally minded. 

1029
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,200
Well I will definitely check it 
out. 

1030
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,400
I I tend to default to the 
holistic approach whenever the 

1031
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,120
option presents itself. 
So I will definitely see if I 

1032
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,560
can find some biological 
dentists in my area because I'm 

1033
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,360
actually looking for a dentist 
right now. 

1034
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,360
So that makes total sense. 
Awesome Autumn. 

1035
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,680
Well, I've got a laundry list of
bio hacks to dive into going 

1036
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,720
forward and I definitely do want
to hear how your journey unfolds

1037
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,840
and what all you learn the 
process as you get deeper into 

1038
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:15,960
it. 
Where Where do people go to find

1039
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,120
out more about you and follow 
along? 

1040
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,880
Oh well, thanks so much for 
having me. 

1041
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,280
I will get you the link to that 
clean swap clean swap guide. 

1042
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,680
I'm on Instagram and TikTok at 
Autumn dot Mcleese, also on 

1043
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,840
Facebook and got the No better 
Do Better podcast and 

1044
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,200
autumnmcleese.com. 
I also have a no better do 

1045
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,160
better like consulting 
mentorship program. 

1046
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,720
I've been in this natural world 
now for over 14 years. 

1047
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,880
So essentially I help people 
kind of get started. 

1048
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,200
I kind of help guide them into 
how to redo their kitchen, get 

1049
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,280
cleaner brands, all the way to 
finding a holistic doctor or 

1050
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:02,360
dentist or getting connected 
with the right people, kind of 

1051
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,160
directing and guiding them in 
the direction that they want to 

1052
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,880
go. 
So for those that feel 

1053
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,640
overwhelmed, I don't know where 
to start. 

1054
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,200
Well, that's when you come to 
me. 

1055
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Awesome, well I will definitely 
link out, make it easy for 

1056
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,760
people to find you. 
Definitely keep me posted and if

1057
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,680
there's everything I can do for 
you on you, just let me know. 

1058
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,160
Thanks so much, and it's been 
such an honor to be here with 

1059
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,440
you. 
It's been a pleasure. 

1060
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,200
Take care and have a good one. 
You too.