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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents? 

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Robert Sykes, keto, Savage.com 
today, I've got special guest, 

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dr. 
Anthony Chaffee on the line. 

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I'm super excited to talk with 
him. 

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I've been watching this content 
for a while now. 

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I want to dive deeper into his 
stance on the carnivore diet. 

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How long he's been doing it? 
Which is quite some time. 

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He's been incredibly strict with
the carnivore that does not 

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deviate from it. 
Wanted to pick his brain on his 

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thoughts. 
Towards grass-fed, 

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grass-finished versus grain 
finished the higher fat versus 

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the lower fat higher protein, 
whether you should have sugars 

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and honey. 
And fruits on a carnivore Diner.

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Should just stick with a strict 
card up carnivore diet, the 

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whole debate between Oregon me. 
Tino's Taylor pretty much just 

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eating muscle meat so we don't 
dive into all things, everything

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and all thing, carnivore die 
with this podcast. 

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I learned a ton have a lot of 
respect for dr. 

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Chaffee I have no doubt that you
will take something from this 

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conversation. 
So that further Ado, sit back, 

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relax and enjoy the podcast with
dr. 

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Anthony Chaffee. 
And we are live, dr. 

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Anthony Chaffee. 
How are you man? 

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Good man, how are you? 
I'm good, I'm getting your Us in

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Australia, correct? 
Yeah, that's correct over in 

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Perth. 
What is the keto carnivore space

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looking like in Australia? 
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Probably the main proponents. 
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which is actually really good 
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They've got a lot of doctors 
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They're quite knowledgeable. 
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things and are incorporating 
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across Australia and they do a 
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a lot of great speakers as well.
So it would be similar to sort 

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of the larger Kyo conferences in
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lot of great talks. 
I have a YouTube channel as well

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and, and that has as quite a lot
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people seeing their videos. 
So it's great. 

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Yeah. 
So but otherwise Um, there was a

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massive vegan push for a long 
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So like when I got here, not 
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absolutely absolute Maniac that 
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because everyone else was was, 
was going hard towards veganism,

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but now it's sort of the tides 
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And now I talk to people if it 
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instead of being absolutely 
shocked and appalled, they'll 

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say oh yeah you know my oh my 
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Doing that, you know, where my 
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really good or something like 
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So now that it's growing slowly 
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Grassroots movement, sort of 
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Nice. 
Nice. 

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I was just on a like Google 
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that's mostly pulling. 
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from the American data, but it 
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wasn't like, of it specific 
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It seemed, but it's just always 
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spiked and then keto and then 
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And I think right now The thing 
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the thing that everybody's 
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metabolic flexibility as a diet,
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diets kind of come and go in the
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interesting to see what wands up
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and done. 
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funny. 
I just wanted me down your 

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doctor Jade Salisbury, you know,
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Salisbury steak back in the 
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people could Verse things, like 
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arthritis, gout altar of clot 
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different autoimmune issues back
in the 1800's, just by going on 

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a pure red meat and water diet 
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Salisbury steak, which was 
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certain way, that it filtered 
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this and it would be really easy
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you see. 
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decades and decades Shades of 
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it researching it and, and 
curing problems with it or at 

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least resolving issues and 
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And that was called sort of the 
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because it's I guess you could 
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the way we're supposed to live. 
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eat and so I don't know if 
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be a fad but I guess popularly. 
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don't really put that like, 
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Into The Fad diet group. 
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I think of like the South Beach 
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you know. 
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right. 
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Salisbury that was temporary 
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over, but it was, it was 
incorrect and it made people 

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less well, it made them sick and
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I don't, I don't think that you 
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you should call something a fad.
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biological way of eating like 
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cow you know, even if you start 
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Yeah, totally. 
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man? 
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look like? 
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weird for me. 
I just had a professor back in 

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my undergraduate degree, back at
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Seattle. 
In cancer biology, and we were 

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just learning about how plants 
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That's their natural defense 
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and toxins to to guard 
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You know, they're living 
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living organism. 
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single celled organisms have 
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quite robust defense mechanisms.
Otherwise, they would be extinct

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because something else is always
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It's killer Killed for plants as
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can run away or fight back 
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Can't and so they need to use 
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animals trying to eat them and, 
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you actually learn in seventh 
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learned it in 7th grade biology 
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spinach as well where it was 
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every single plant on earth, 
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sell us. 
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again in cancer biology, but 
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learning. 
This is some, this isn't like 22

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already identified in them, 136 
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that white table, mushrooms have
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individually. 
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were Handouts with just page 
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single plant that you would ever
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carcinogens that were in them 
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single one with less than 60 and
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That you may not be that big of 
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If it's not that concentrated, 
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from Professor Bruce Ames at 
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the natural and insecticides and
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they make these things to stop 
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were outweighed. 
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on them industrially by a factor
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occurring ones were a thousand. 
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cause cancer Sure. 
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mushrooms and a larger that was 
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to cause cancer than the a lure 
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apples at the time and they were
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They're trying to make all these
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Oh look these poisonous, this 
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and they were right. 
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you know, we use these 
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had a problem and so you didn't 
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just all of a sudden, make it 
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that they're not as bad as the 
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We all were. 
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all this information in class. 
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must be joking. 
I was looking around for someone

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to be in on the joke and there 
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eventually dawned on me that it 
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And, but I was still, you know, 
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since I was a kid that 
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So we're still fighting that. 
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head I was like but but 
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you though, right? 
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have just looked you, read our 
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he just said, I don't eat 
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Plants are trying to kill you, 
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my head. 
I was like, right, screw plants.

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store. 
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just everything had plants and 
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ingredients or were just purely 
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produce. 
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around, what the hell doesn't 
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that's what I found. 
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as doing a carnivore diet. 
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context, the biological context 
or evolutionary context that. 

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Actually are carnivores, which 
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the time as well. 
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predators, eat meat. 
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sharks and dolphins. 
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neither do you know, tigers and 
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off of it when I was traveling 
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of more difficult to get, you 
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Meat and some of the tough 
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I was like, well, he's that big 
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Maybe it's the oh, just 
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But, you know, just a little bit
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and I noticed that a few months 
in just eating just a little bit

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of breaded stuff here and there 
that I just absolutely did not 

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feel the same. 
I was getting these. 

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These little lasting injuries 
and aches and pains it just just

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never were there before and just
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And remember thinking I was 
like, hey why don't I feel just 

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Unbelievably amazing. 
As I normally do. 

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And I was like, well, maybe not 
working out as hard. 

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Maybe I was 25 at the time, I 
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Maybe I just just crested The 
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here. 
Somebody's just gonna just die 

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now. 
And, but, looking back at, you 

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know, I realize that's when I 
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I realized several years ago, 
that that's what I was doing. 

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I was living as a carnivore. 
I was only eating as a carnivore

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and that's biologically what we 
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And, and that was the difference
there and so it Everything just 

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sort of clicked in this into 
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went with it from there. 
So, yeah. 

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And then I've just been just 
digging into the research and 

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just doing as much as I can to 
just try to familiarize myself 

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with what we can prove and what 
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All right. 
So how long have that? 

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Is that made it that you've been
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Entirely basically, In total I I
I'd say roughly around the last 

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10 years of the last 20 years. 
So it was roughly five years. 

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Yeah. 
Around five years one in my 

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early 20s and then sort of the 
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picked it up and are you testing
like your blood levels your 

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lipid panel hormones, everything
still rocking and rolling, Yeah 

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no I have I mean it's not 
something I have just to satisfy

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other people's curiosity. 
I know I'm absolutely convinced 

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that this is this is 
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to eat. 
So whatever my blood levels are,

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I'm sure their optimal. 
I certainly feel that way but 

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I've friend of mine who's an 
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was telling him about all this 
and he's just hormonal medicine 

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and As well as functional 
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medicine. 
Need a, he incorporates diet and

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to his practice and just you 
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medicine. 
So your medicine weight loss, 

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and optimizing health. 
And so this was something he was

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very interested in because he's 
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40 years and so you know he said
he's like hey you know you look 

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like you're you really healthy, 
you know, everything you're 

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saying makes sense but you know 
let's check under the hood, 

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let's check all your Bloods. 
You know, would you be willing 

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to do that too? 
To see what's going on. 

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And I would say I was happy to 
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And yeah, everything was 
everything was perfect. 

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So my my hormone panel was 
fantastic you know I'm 42 I'm 

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not 25 anymore so things aren't 
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I was 25 but he was saying that 
that if you so he actually does 

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carnivore now too and he 
actually promotes this for his 

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patients as well, he tries to 
get them on it as well and the 

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start of that was because of 
these blood tests. 

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He Me up and I went and met with
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test. 
And he said if if you took a 

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hundred thousand people off the 
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all of their bloods, that mine 
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shadow of a doubt. 
And so that made him very 

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interested in this. 
And that was a huge is doing 

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like hormone panel. 
Like total testosterone, free 

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test, things of that nature. 
Yeah. 

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And then incomplete, you know, 
pituitary adrenal, axis 

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hormones, everything to be 
coming out of your pituitary. 

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Terry, you know you including 
your, your thyroid, your 

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quarters, all the different 
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as well as vitamins minerals, 
certainly, my cholesterol as 

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well. 
The only thing that you know, he

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he said my hg0 was was 
fantastic. 

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My triglycerides were fantastic,
my LDL. 

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I think it's was fantastic as 
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cholesterol differently than 
other people, you know, like I 

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like how how dr. 
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He says that HDL is the good 
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good cholesterol. 
Both good cholesterol. 

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Yeah. 
And so I'm very happy with were 

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my LDL but it was slightly 
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higher. 
Then the the accepted reference 

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range for healthy LDL. 
But seeing as uld L was never a 

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problem. 
It was never a marker for 

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disease or heart disease. 
You have to Just throw that out.

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You know we know now that you 
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even suggested a correlation 
between higher LDL cholesterol 

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or even saturated fat and heart 
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they were there, they've been 
debunked now and because they 

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were fraudulent, they doctor 
data and information to make 

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this look different to what it 
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And so anything based on a false
premise has to just be thrown 

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out and I think that's what you 
need to do. 

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Our reference ranges for 
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And so, whatever my LDL 
cholesterol is I'm happy with it

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there because that's its 
physiological because I'm eating

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in a physiological biologically 
appropriate way. 

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And so as long as you're not 
eating carbohydrates or sugar 

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drinking alcohol, you're not 
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cholesterol and that won't play 
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process which is after 
sclerosis. 

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And so since I'm not in that You
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whatever it is. 
But yeah. 

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All my all my other Bloods and 
hormones. 

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It was a very, very, I mean, at 
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work and yeah. 
And he and as he said, it was, 

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it was optimal. 
Nice. 

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Nice. 
There's a big push right now. 

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That seems for, you know, 
bioidentical hormones, a lot of 

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exhaustion has testosterone even
for people like I From the 

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bodybuilding community. 
So that's been in the space for 

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decades, but just the general 
population Now is really leaning

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heavily on exoticness hormones 
for, you know, coming back up to

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quote, unquote, natural levels 
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but I can't even, I can't do 
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able to compete naturally. 
And I feel like any time you can

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really dive into how to improve 
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lifestyle design through your 
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stress. 
I mean, that's, that's what 

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people should do. 
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The last thing people turn to 

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they always go to the 
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doses. 
But here and that you've got 

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great number. 
You said you're at 42 years of 

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age? 
Yes, that's correct. 

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Yeah, so I mean you're obviously
doing something right? 

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I mean, you look healthy, you 
get you pretty yolk, man. 

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You get pretty big arms on. 
He said, you were, you were 

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doing rugby previously, right? 
That was your sport. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I've wrestled, since I was a 

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kid. 
I trained in MMA, since I was 14

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and then, and then, but then 
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I was All-American and high 
school and and they prefer 

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actually for roughly 10 years 
before Medical School. 

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Nice. 
Nice. 

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What's your sport of choice? 
Now, do you have any sport that 

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you're participating on a 
regular basis? 

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So I was playing rugby. 
When I first got here and like 

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you, I even even though when I 
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know, I still played rugby, I 
was still playing rugby six days

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a week even in medical school 
and then as a doctor, as well. 

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Well, but I just don't really 
have the time anymore, like, 

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it's, it's even busier than 
that. 

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So like sometimes I'll have, 
I'll be working anywhere from 

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like 90 to 130 hours a week. 
You know, sometimes even a 

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little more, so with on calls, 
they can get very busy, just in 

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some in, you know, I'm 
specializing in, and still 

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specializing in neurosurgery. 
So, sort of going through 

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residency. 
It's much more busy than other 

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times. 
Neurosurgery is even busier than

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that. 
So, the on calls are just quite 

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busy. 
So you might be on, call two, 

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three, sometimes, four days a 
week and sometimes you'll get 

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you'll get a couple. 
Well, you always get, you know, 

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how did with calls, but you may 
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Other times. 
You're in the hospital, all day 

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all night, operating the whole 
time, and then you're, you're 

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working whole next day as well. 
And you're doing that multiple 

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days a week, so it can be quite 
busy. 

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And So when I have the time I 
play rugby but it hasn't I 

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haven't played in the last 
couple seasons. 

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Have you have you noticed any 
any? 

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I wouldn't imagine. 
So, but I didn't notice any 

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reduction in your explosiveness,
with your, with rugby since 

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adopting, a carnivore diet, and 
the actions of hydrates. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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We just the opposite. 
You know, I mean when I was when

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I was down here, when I first 
was playing, you know, people 

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were you were very impressed by 
my athleticism and they didn't, 

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they didn't know how old I was 
because I don't look my age. 

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And and so people were seeing 
what I ate and seeing how I was 

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performing athletically. 
And a lot of guys were actually 

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just starting to do that talking
to me about it. 

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I mean like oh hey you know, 
what's this about and and 

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wanting to follow suit and and 
then they found out my agent 

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like Jesus Christ. 
It's like there's like thirty 

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nine at the time and they were 
like you're 39 years like yeah, 

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it's like Jesus and then they 
got really interested in the 

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diet because they're like you 
know, I was I was you know, Just

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just physically, you know, I was
I was competing at a very high 

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level of probably higher than a 
lot of other people that were in

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their early twenties. 
You know, as you were saying 

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about the optimizing, your 
hormones, especially in this 

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athletic realm, or other people,
you're taking exoticness 

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hormones, you're right. 
I mean that's that is something 

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that's growing. 
It's a growing field. 

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And people are getting, there's 
less stigma with that coming. 

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From, you know, the perspective 
of replacing physiological 

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levels, which is something that 
we've done for women with HRT 

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for decades and decades and 
decades. 

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And, you know, that's, that's a 
normal thing. 

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Getting their, their estrogen 
and progesterone in particular 

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up to certain, you know, up to 
back to physiological levels. 

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At something that's commonly 
accepted as okay for people to 

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feel better. 
And so, you know, there's not 

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It's not a nun, untoward thing? 
I think to do that for men, as 

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well coming up to physiological 
levels. 

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But we if you look at the 
testosterone levels in men, now 

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from like the 1970s, you know 
there's a massive drop off a 

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massive, massive drop-off. 
And so, you know, something's 

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happening that is requiring, 
this more. 

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We haven't really needed this as
much as we do now. 

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And so, you know, that's, that's
probably also a And why this is 

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this is growing in popularity 
now because there's simply more 

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of a need. 
Now I have seen people go on a 

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carnivore diet and you know one 
guy that just released the 

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podcast with yesterday, Joshua 
Rogowski, he started in December

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and he just been got tested in, 
I think April. 

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And his thought, testosterone 
went from like 320 up to like 

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4:30 you know, so it was a 
massive job just completely 

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naturally it is testosterone and
and that's something that you 

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know, That that like you say you
can do naturally that's just 

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your just optimizing your body 
and you're giving your body what

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it needs and you're not 
curtailing it with all these 

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sort of plant toxins that are 
screaming out because one of the

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things that plants do is screw 
up your hormones and, you know, 

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and they can, there's a lot of 
things in plants that mimic 

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estrogen, and will Jack up your 
estrogen. 

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And it's a bit of a, it's a bit 
of a slippery slope because your

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You know this but your fat 
tissue is actually your largest 

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endocrine organ in your body or 
certainly can be because it can 

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produce among other, things can 
produce estrogen. 

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And so if you were getting a lot
of excess body fat, you're going

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to start producing more 
estrogen, and that's going to 

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make you deposit more body fat. 
And so, you get down this, this 

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this this spiral where you're 
just putting on more and more 

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fat, which is causing you to 
produce more estrogen and And 

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more fat. 
And so it's a difficult cycle to

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get out of especially for men. 
And so it's, you know, when you 

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When you go on a carnivore diet,
you're getting rid of all these 

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exotic Enos hormone disruptors 
and health disruptors, and your 

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body starts working how it 
normally would and you're going 

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to get rid of this, extra fat 
bodies, going to start 

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optimizing your testosterone for
men and, and your estrogen for 

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women because women get get the 
other side of things, they get 

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too much testosterone to little 
estrogen because testosterone 

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gets converted in ovaries to 
estrogen. 

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But it starts as testosterone 
and high, insulin will block 

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that. 
And so if you're eating a lot of

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carbohydrates, just that will 
just block the conversion of 

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testosterone to estrogen, and so
they'll come, they'll come into 

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the hormonal problems as well. 
And then obviously all the 

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different food that will disrupt
their hormones. 

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Also. 
So it's, you know, it's a nasty 

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pot to be in because there's 
just so much going on there. 

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There's so many different ways 
that not eating naturally, and 

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Logically which I would argue is
is eating carnivore. 

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There's so many ways that that 
can screw with your health and 

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your hormonal Health in 
particular suppose I should back

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up a little bit like how would 
you define a carnivore die? 

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Because like I'm in the keto 
space. 

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I've been strict Quito from 
seven years now and when I first

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got into it like Kita was you 
know there's like single 

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definition for Aikido and now 
there's like 15 definitions for 

448
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:14,900
Quito as I only versions of 
Quito. 

449
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,200
I don't know if that's I mean 
Kind of becoming the case with 

450
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,600
carnivores seems like carnivore,
plus fruit carnivore. + Honey, 

451
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,400
high-fat. 
Carnivore, high-protein 

452
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,600
carnivore. 
Like, what would you describe as

453
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,200
a carnivore dime? 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

454
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,100
And yeah, I think I think 
everyone I think when more 

455
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,500
people sort of get into these 
spaces, they sort of look for 

456
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:40,200
ways of cheating. 
I guess is just the best way of 

457
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800
saying it. 
You know, they want to do Kido 

458
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,000
but they don't actually want to 
do key. 

459
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,200
Do you know what to do cornrow? 
But they don't really Ali want 

460
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,200
to do carve or so they'll, 
they'll change it. 

461
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,400
They'll do whatever the hell 
they want. 

462
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,900
And they'll just call it, you 
know, key to or a carnivore and,

463
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,600
and they'll justify that in 
certain ways. 

464
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,000
But I think, I think carnivore 
is, it is simply just eating 

465
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,500
meat and water. 
Not even just animal products 

466
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,200
because you could argue that 
honey is an animal product, but 

467
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,000
really it's bee vomit. 
I'm not going to, I'm not going 

468
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,700
to go around eating Cal vomit, 
either. 

469
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:21,100
And, and so, It's I think of it 
is as much what not to eat as 

470
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,900
what to eat, you really, what 
you're eating is just meat and 

471
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,200
just drinking water. 
And and that's what I would say 

472
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,500
is, as actually carnivore. 
The, you know what, our animals 

473
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:32,900
eating what are carnivores 
eating in the wild including 

474
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,900
Human animals? 
Yeah, they're eating animals. 

475
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,300
That's just what they're eating 
you and you it's there just 

476
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:44,400
eating a seal polar bear Wales 
and, you know, you have other 

477
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,100
examples of that you are the 
Messiah would would drink. 

478
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:48,900
Arie. 
And that's that's something we 

479
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:52,700
do. 
We do see in Native populations 

480
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,600
in certain areas but not all of 
them. 

481
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,400
But, you know, you could do 
could consider that in there as 

482
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,300
well. 
But certainly wouldn't consider 

483
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:04,900
honey or fruit any part of that.
So when I think of things, I 

484
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:07,800
think of it and I when I discuss
it with people, I think of it as

485
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,600
much to do with what not to eat 
as what to eat. 

486
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,800
So my hard rule is no plants, no
sugar, nothing artificial, and 

487
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,300
that will go for sauces Seas. 
Things and drinks as well. 

488
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,800
And that sort of covers the 
honey or the fruit or different 

489
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,900
spices and you can sort of think
about this. 

490
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,100
Well, you know, everyone says, 
well, what about this? 

491
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,300
And what about this? 
And what about this, you know, 

492
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:31,300
put it against that test, you 
know what about pepper? 

493
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,600
Well, that's a plant. 
Well, what about Honeywell that 

494
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Sugar? 
You know, what about, you know, 

495
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,300
Stevia. 
Well, that's a plant and it's, 

496
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,800
you know, you could call it 
artificial or whatever. 

497
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,100
And so that's what I try to 
think of it. 

498
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,200
You know, what is, what is a 
line going to eat? 

499
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,100
What is a wolf going to eat? 
What does a human going to eat 

500
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,500
in our natural environment? 
Now I totally respect that, man.

501
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,900
I the longer I've been in the 
health and nutrition space. 

502
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,000
The more I've come to appreciate
and admire and respect people 

503
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,500
that are just hard and fast on 
their their lifestyle factors. 

504
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,300
When it comes to nutrition, I 
see so many people, you know, 

505
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,300
jumping from one thing to the 
next kind of, you know, follow 

506
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,900
the trends ride, the hype trains
and just you know, grow a bigger

507
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,400
Instagram following like I 
respect people that practice 

508
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
what they preach every damn day 
without fail. 

509
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,200
Without exception, I feel like 
that's what I've tried to do 

510
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,800
with my approach to ketogenic 
diet. 

511
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,900
That's obviously what you're 
trying to do with carnivore and 

512
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:25,600
I feel like that carries just 
exponentially more weight than 

513
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,500
these people that, you know, 
preach one thing. 

514
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,100
And then six months later, 
they're on a totally different 

515
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,300
course. 
Yeah. 

516
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,100
And that's the thing. 
You know, it's just like it's 

517
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:41,100
one thing that I think it's good
when you've looked at something 

518
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:44,200
and you thought this is the way 
to go and so that's what you've 

519
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,700
promoted and then you look at 
who. 

520
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,400
Okay now I've got new 
information now I think it's 

521
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,900
something else and I think 
that's I think that takes some 

522
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,100
some Integrity to do that. 
But if the person keeps doing 

523
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,900
that, you know there's just 
like, okay have you really 

524
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:01,800
thought this through you know 
like you've changing And that's 

525
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,100
fine. 
Try to work in progress, but you

526
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:07,500
know you're saying, note this is
definitely what it is. 

527
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,200
You have to listen to me. 
This is this is the only way to 

528
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,300
do it and then you change that 
in six months. 

529
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,100
And so, you know, maybe maybe 
you just be happy that you're 

530
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:20,300
sure, you take a couple of years
to think about it and then come 

531
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:25,600
talk to me about it. 
But yeah and I think that some 

532
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,200
people will maybe get on to you 
know like a fad sort of thing, 

533
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,600
they'll sort of Hop. 
Pain. 

534
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,700
And they won't necessarily 
really understand it at its core

535
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:37,900
principles, which is that this 
is biologically, the kind of 

536
00:29:37,908 --> 00:29:42,400
animal that we are and humans 
are carnivores, and that is what

537
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,400
we are biologically. 
You know, Optimum optimized to 

538
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,800
eat, and we can eat plants and 
we can eat other things because 

539
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
we have certain defenses against
them and we can eat those 

540
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,400
things. 
Certainly for survival, but that

541
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,000
doesn't mean that that's 
optimal. 

542
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:00,900
And that's where I come in from 
this. 

543
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:05,000
I don't You know, I don't think 
that everyone needs to eat like 

544
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,300
me. 
I think that everyone should eat

545
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,500
any way that they did. 
They choose. 

546
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,700
But I just want, you know, I 
just want people to know. 

547
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:15,100
I think that this is this is 
optimal. 

548
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,500
This is if you, if you are 
looking for the best health, I 

549
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:22,300
think that it's going down, a 
carnivore root and at least this

550
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,300
seriously, at least a ketogenic 
route. 

551
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:28,400
I think that's a big, big part 
of this, you know, the sugars 

552
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,000
and the carbohydrates just 
derailed. 

553
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,200
And our metabolism in various 
ways and make it very unhealthy.

554
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:39,500
But, you know, that's what I 
think of as optimal. 

555
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,200
And if people want to live off 
my, I want it live optimally. 

556
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,000
I feel the best like this. 
And so that's what I, that's 

557
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000
what I want to continue doing 
and, you know, but if people 

558
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,800
want to eat fruit or they want 
to eat some honey every now and 

559
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,300
then, like I don't begrudge them
that I just, you know, I just 

560
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,700
don't want them to do that 
because they think that that's 

561
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,900
that they're supposed to do 
that, but it's important for 

562
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:01,100
them to do that. 
You know, some people would 

563
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,000
Argue that you need to eat, you 
know, fruit and honey. 

564
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,400
And sugar in general and 
carbohydrates or else you'll get

565
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,100
organ, dysfunction, which is 
clearly wrong because these 

566
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:17,000
people have been carnivore for 
like a year or two and then all 

567
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,500
of a sudden, they're like, oh 
no, you can't be in ketosis that

568
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,100
long. 
You can't be, you know, any kid,

569
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:23,800
agentic state that long or 
you'll come into problems and 

570
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,200
you've got, you know, Robert 
Sykes here who's been ketosis 47

571
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,100
damn years. 
So obviously that's not true, 

572
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,700
you know. 
And you know So, and so, so that

573
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:37,900
I think is not really looking at
things, you know, quite clearly,

574
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,400
you definitely do not need 
carbohydrates. 

575
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Assuming that that's even 
recognized by the International 

576
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:48,900
Medical boards and science 
foundation's like that. 

577
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,900
That there there is no such 
thing as an essential. 

578
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,600
Carbohydrate, your body, makes 
everything that you need in that

579
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,700
in that realm. 
And there are plenty of examples

580
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:03,600
of people. 
Living all over the world who 

581
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,900
have never eaten carbohydrates 
their entire life or or maybe 

582
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:08,700
haven't done. 
So for years and years and years

583
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:12,300
at a time. 
So you know that that myth is 

584
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:19,500
long been put to bed and, you 
know, so you know, I just try to

585
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:23,200
let people know the information 
that I found and it could be 

586
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,600
that, you know, I come across 
things later on and I'm like, I 

587
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,400
don't sheet, you know, you and I
didn't get it, you know, quite 

588
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,800
nuanced enough. 
But Or what I can see now from 

589
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,200
all the available evidence, you 
know, I think that, you know, 

590
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,900
full carnivore diet. 
Not eating any plants 

591
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,700
whatsoever. 
No sweeteners of any description

592
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,300
is the optimal way to live and 
so that's what I want. 

593
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,200
And so that's what I do and I 
just feel a lot better doing it.

594
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,700
Yeah, I respect them and I feel 
like, you know, there's a lot of

595
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:59,100
people, they get dogmatic with 
things and I totally get that. 

596
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,400
And, you know, I don't begrudge 
people that want to have more 

597
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,900
varied diet either but I mean, 
just as you said, I've always 

598
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,400
tried to look through the lens 
of. 

599
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,600
Hey, look, what can I truly 
optimized for? 

600
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,500
That's what I'm going to pursue,
that's what I'm going to 

601
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,000
implement. 
That's what I'm going to 

602
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000
recommend and then people can 
take with that and do it that as

603
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,300
they may. 
But when you, when you view 

604
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:22,700
things to lens of, hey, what is 
optimal, that's what I'm gonna 

605
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,100
strive for. 
And then after that, it's pretty

606
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,800
much just personal preference as
to how broad a window from that,

607
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
you want to go, then that can 
kind of be the Pinnacle that You

608
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,600
that you set yourself against 
but I feel like like that that's

609
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,800
that's a wise path when it comes
to nutrition when it comes to 

610
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,500
carnivore and optimizing. 
There's there seems to be you 

611
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:46,800
know, one train of thought that 
suggests that it doesn't really 

612
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
matter if you're eating more, 
organ meats and kind of like 

613
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,700
nose and tail. 
As long as you're getting in 

614
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,800
good quality, muscle meats and 
you're consistent with that and 

615
00:33:53,808 --> 00:33:55,700
there's other the other end of 
the spectrum. 

616
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,700
It's like look, if you're going 
to eat carnivore, you absolutely

617
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,000
need to eat nose and tail. 
Had that very nutrient pool and 

618
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Just, you know, eat everything. 
Is there? 

619
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,400
Do you have a specific stance on
that? 

620
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,100
Yeah, no, that's a very good 
question and that's something 

621
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:13,900
that's important to talk about 
because organ Meats. 

622
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,300
Specially liver is very 
nutrient-dense. 

623
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:19,400
I 100% agree with that but you 
know, we're talking density 

624
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,900
here, right? 
So density means there's a 

625
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:28,000
higher concentration per ounce 
and and that can be a 

626
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,800
double-edged sword. 
Because, you know, if your if 

627
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,600
your nutrient to pry Ride and 
you're eating a standard 

628
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,500
American diet, livers, probably 
your best friend. 

629
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,800
You know, that's going to be 
that's going to fill the Gap and

630
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,400
all these nutrients that you're 
losing out on. 

631
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,100
And you know, when you eat 
different things, your body 

632
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,500
needs a different constellation 
of nutrients. 

633
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:47,699
So you know, when you're not 
eating, if you're only eating 

634
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,300
meat and you're not certainly 
not eating carbohydrates. 

635
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,500
We need carbohydrates. 
In particular you need more 

636
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:58,400
vitamins and minerals and so 
good example of that is Vitamin 

637
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000
C if you're not eating 
carbohydrates. 

638
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,700
You need a daily amount of 
vitamin C measured in NG. 

639
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,900
Whereas if you start eating 
carbohydrates, you need it 

640
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,800
measured in milligrams, okay? 
So that's thousands of times 

641
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,900
different, you know, and and 
that makes that's a huge huge 

642
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:22,200
difference and you know, so it's
it really does change what you 

643
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,300
need. 
And so, if you are eating a 

644
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,500
mixed diet, you're going to need
more vitamins, minerals, livers,

645
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,900
probably a good addition to your
diet. 

646
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,200
And when you're eating just 
carve, or it can be too much, 

647
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:40,200
you know, if you look at the 
proportion of an animal organs 

648
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:46,900
to muscle meat and fat, it's 
it's a very very, very large 

649
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
difference. 
So you're going to have, you 

650
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,900
know, just looking at liver. 
And this is something that 

651
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,200
everyone gets convinced, you 
know? 

652
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Because there are people pushing
this, and there's certainly 

653
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,500
people pushing supplements for 
this. 

654
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,800
And I think, anytime someone's, 
you know, selling a supplement, 

655
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,100
you Q. 
Maybe, you know, ask where their

656
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,200
motivations are, they could be 
completely pure. 

657
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,400
I like the idea of people 
putting their money where their 

658
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,100
mouth is and saying, I think 
this is a really good thing to 

659
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,600
do. 
I'm going to invest in it, I'm 

660
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,600
going to try to help people with
that. 

661
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,300
I think that's great. 
But you know you know think 

662
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:25,500
about it with organs liver in 
particular, you know. 

663
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,700
If you're just eating carnivore 
you can get too much right. 

664
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,900
Because how much You've got 
hundreds of pounds of muscle and

665
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:38,800
fat in a cow to every 1 pound of
liver, right? 

666
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:44,200
So, if you take down a deer or 
a, you know, a, you know, a 

667
00:36:44,207 --> 00:36:50,500
bison in the wild, you're mostly
going to be eating muscle meat 

668
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,600
and fat, and you're probably, 
you know, if you are just 

669
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,100
hunting for your food, you took 
down a bison. 

670
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,200
That's going to feed you and 
your family for the rest of the 

671
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,900
year. 
So you're going to have one. 

672
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:05,900
Liver for the year, you know. 
And so that's a very different 

673
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:10,400
thing than, you know, eating, 
you know, 200 grams of liver 

674
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,800
every day, you know, which is, 
you know, something that people 

675
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:19,500
may do. 
So you look at people like the 

676
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:24,000
video and the Inuit, they 
traditionally don't eat the 

677
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,300
organ Meats. 
They give those to the dogs and,

678
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,600
and other other tribe to some 
do. 

679
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:33,400
But the ones that That do 
they're, they're, you know, 

680
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,100
they're eating a again in 
proportion to the animal, you 

681
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:41,100
know, Native Americans who go 
hunting, they would, you know, 

682
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,300
take down an animal. 
They would gut it and you, maybe

683
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:48,900
they would eat certain organs or
even met on the on the spot or 

684
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,200
whatever. 
But you know, they're having to 

685
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,200
pack this thing back, they don't
have trucks to put this in the 

686
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,800
in the back of you know they 
might be ranging out you know 

687
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,700
dozens of miles and have to pack
the stuff back. 

688
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:04,900
So they Only take aching back, 
you know, the really, you know, 

689
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:08,100
the high-end stuff which would 
generally the four quarters they

690
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:11,400
would cut off the hindquarters 
and they would know I was taught

691
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,200
as a kid that they would hang 
this up as a as an offering to 

692
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,200
the spirits. 
And this is, this is your 

693
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,200
portion of that. 
And they would bring back the 

694
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,700
four quarters and, but they 
wouldn't, you know, they're not 

695
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:25,000
packing back. 
The organs, they would all they 

696
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,100
would skin this thing. 
And so, you know, those four 

697
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,900
chords, that's where most of the
fat is, that's where the stakes.

698
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,300
It's our that's where the, the 
the, the brisket and his 

699
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,700
shoulder Chopped, all these 
sorts of things. 

700
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:42,000
It's much, higher fat, portion 
of the hindquarters are very, 

701
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,500
very lean. 
And so they're bringing back the

702
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:52,200
higher fat muscle, you know, 
actual skeletal, muscle and fat.

703
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,300
And so, you know, they weren't, 
they weren't really just eating 

704
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:57,400
tons and tons of organs all the 
time and if they were, they were

705
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,700
eating it in proportion to the 
rest of it. 

706
00:38:59,707 --> 00:39:01,900
So the majority of what they're 
eating, Was just the skeletal 

707
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,600
muscle and fat. 
So that's something that the 

708
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,400
polar, explorers, like staff 
Onsen writes about in his book, 

709
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,500
The Fat of the land and talks 
about it in various interviews. 

710
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:16,400
He was just like, yeah, I don't 
know where this came from. 

711
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,100
Your people say, you have to eat
all the organs. 

712
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,700
That's a myth. 
That's not something that we see

713
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,100
in nature and that sends 
something that he never did, 

714
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,200
that was just something they 
just fed to the dogs. 

715
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,500
And so, you know, I just eat 
just the muscle meat itself and 

716
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,700
there are plenty of people. 
People who just eat Ribeyes 

717
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:36,800
every day and have done for 20 
years or more and they don't 

718
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,500
have any any sort of nutritional
deficiencies. 

719
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,500
Like I said, and I know I don't 
have any nutritional 

720
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,300
deficiencies because like I 
said, I got all my blood work 

721
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,400
done and we check vitamins, we 
checked minerals reject all 

722
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,400
these things. 
And I've been, you know, pure 

723
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,800
carnivore for I don't know three
years of that time 34 years when

724
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,800
I first got that done and 
subsequently now and I still 

725
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,700
have no deficiencies. 
In fact, my my Bloods are 

726
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:06,100
optimal, you know, and as my as 
my friend said, you know, 

727
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:10,100
they're better than 100, you 
know, everyone else at my age 

728
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,200
and that includes my vitamins 
and minerals so I don't have any

729
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,400
deficiencies and I donate your 
organs. 

730
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
I think I could count on one 
hand. 

731
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,200
How many times I've had liver in
the last five years and I 

732
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,000
probably ought to Hands, how 
many times I've had liver, you 

733
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,300
know, the rest of my life, you 
know. 

734
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,800
It's not, it's not something 
that I would normally have 

735
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,300
myself. 
And I've, you know, proof 

736
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:37,100
positive on blood work that I 
don't have any deficiencies. 

737
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,900
And so, if you are on the other 
side of that and you're eating, 

738
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:47,100
you know, a lot more liver than 
is in proportion to the animal. 

739
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,600
You're eating, you can get 
hypervitaminosis and, you know, 

740
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,900
You know, a height. 
Yo, toxic taught your vitamin 

741
00:40:55,900 --> 00:41:00,800
toxicity is just as dangerous as
Vitamin deficiencies, and so 

742
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,900
that's something that you should
definitely watch out for. 

743
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,600
I mean, you know, like what you 
eat enough? 

744
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,400
See little kill you from the 
vitamin. 

745
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,300
A helps your liver. 
It'll kill you from the vitamin 

746
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:13,400
A toxicity. 
And any amount of polar bear 

747
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,000
liver will kill you from the 
amount of vitamin A, that it 

748
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,300
has. 
So, you know, a cow's liver is 

749
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:23,700
not anywhere close to that but, 
you know, you eat enough. 

750
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,100
It will build up and because 
it's a fat-soluble. 

751
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:28,100
Vitamin. 
It does, it doesn't clear as 

752
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,000
quickly as like, you know, the 
bees and see where those are 

753
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,500
water soluble, you just drink 
enough water and we'll just, you

754
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,400
just pee it out, you know? 
That makes sense, man. 

755
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,600
I mean, I'm, I occasionally like
to have liver. 

756
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,100
I occasionally like to have you,
no heart. 

757
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,900
And I mean Hearts, pretty much a
mussel meat though. 

758
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,600
I'm not really putting in the 
same group as liver. 

759
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,400
I'm an avid Hunter. 
So I like the idea of taking 

760
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,000
everything that I can Um, the 
animal and using it. 

761
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,000
But again, it's all kind of in 
proportion to the rest of the 

762
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,700
animal. 
So I don't think that, you know,

763
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,300
if you eat a pound of liver 
every day you're going to want 

764
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,900
to looking like liver King by 
any means. 

765
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,900
You know, like the sun has not 
been mined General consensus by 

766
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,700
any means. 
No. 

767
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:15,900
I don't think so. 
You know, but like, you know, if

768
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,500
you're if you're eating a 
standard diet, you know, I think

769
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:22,500
you I think people are going to 
be more, they're going to need 

770
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:25,800
more nutrients and and So, I 
think that that's your, that 

771
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,900
could be why, you know, some of 
these guys are sort of slipping 

772
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:34,500
back into a more standard way of
eating, and a high-carbohydrate 

773
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:37,400
way of eating. 
Could beat me these are, these 

774
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:44,100
are all guys that are pushing 
liver in particular and it could

775
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,600
be and I don't know. 
I'm not there doctor, but it 

776
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,400
could be that they're getting 
too much of this stuff and that 

777
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,900
they're getting problems from 
the hypervitaminosis. 

778
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,700
And you know, as a result, you 
know, eating carbohydrates, 

779
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:01,300
eating fruit eating, honey, 
eating sugar, that's going to 

780
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:05,300
make them feel better because 
like I said, you know, you eat 

781
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:08,300
that stuff, your vitamin 
requirements actually go up. 

782
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,800
And so now they're vibing, 
requirements are up and it's not

783
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,300
as at toxic levels anymore. 
That could be what's going on. 

784
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:16,900
It could be something completely
different. 

785
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,700
I don't know. 
But I do know that it's not from

786
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,700
lack of carbohydrates. 
Yeah, because there are plenty 

787
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:30,000
Examples like myself like 
yourself like the Inuit who have

788
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,700
not eating carbohydrates in 
years and years and years or 

789
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:35,800
even their entire lifetime or 
generation after generation 

790
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,200
after generation. 
And they do not have the 

791
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,800
described problems that these 
gentlemen are having. 

792
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,600
So it's something else, you 
know, like they're doing 

793
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,400
something differently, you know?
And one of the one of the main 

794
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,800
differences there is the amount 
of organ meat that they're 

795
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,600
eating and So, that's what you 
know, I'm thinking maybe there's

796
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
something to do with that, but 
it's not the carbohydrates. 

797
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Anyway, I know that because, you
know, you know, like I've been 

798
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,900
doing this for many more years 
than they have, and I have not 

799
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:10,300
had the problems that they've 
had. 

800
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,500
Yeah, so why is that, you know, 
and the difference is not 

801
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:18,000
carbohydrates, I don't eat 
carbohydrates so it's not that, 

802
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,100
you know, it has to be something
different. 

803
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:25,100
And so, just looking at things 
empirically, you know, It's you 

804
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:29,100
know, it's more likely to be 
something like hypervitaminosis 

805
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,900
from from from too many organs, 
but it could be something else. 

806
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:34,600
No, man, I think that makes 
total sense. 

807
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,400
I mean I if I was to guess what 
you're talking about, who you 

808
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,600
talking about and all the things
that I've seen being promoted 

809
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,100
within the carnivore space, I 
would I would put my money on 

810
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,500
that hypothesis more so than any
other for sure. 

811
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,900
Because I mean like you said, 
you're a classic example. 

812
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,500
Some of that hasn't had the 
carbohydrates I had the harp cut

813
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,000
Carbohydrates. 
There's been no adverse effects 

814
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000
and we are one in, you know, 
countless number of people that 

815
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,100
have can they share the same 
story? 

816
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,800
I mean, there's there's too many
instances of people that have 

817
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,000
completely and totally removed 
carbohydrates from the diet and 

818
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,200
only seen an improvement in 
their health, so I can't imagine

819
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,200
that. 
You know, we're all anomalies. 

820
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,800
Yeah, no, I totally agree. 
And, and, you know, and like I 

821
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,600
said, I mean, there's just there
in tired civilizations that 

822
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,500
don't eat carbohydrates 
generationally. 

823
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:25,000
And so, you know, What's going 
on with that? 

824
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,200
You know this these guys you 
know they go carnivore carb free

825
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,200
for a year and a half two years 
maybe a little more and all of a

826
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,700
sudden they're having problems 
must be the carbohydrates. 

827
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,500
It was like well maybe but you 
know, that's not necessarily the

828
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:40,900
case. 
And when you when you look at 

829
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:45,000
people that are living 
generationally, that's they're 

830
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,100
not having these problems are 
not having the exact same 

831
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:49,100
problem. 
So I think that, you know, that 

832
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,300
that should tell you something, 
you know, one of the things they

833
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:55,200
say is your thigh I roid tanks. 
You can't, you can't have a 

834
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,100
normal thyroid function unless 
you eat carbohydrates, which is 

835
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:04,300
nonsensical because if you low 
thyroid is, is very, very 

836
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,500
dangerous. 
It's of horrible illness to have

837
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,800
and horrible state to be in. 
And also, it is not compatible 

838
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,800
with Life. 
You get your thyroid too low, 

839
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,000
you will die and you will also 
not be able to Bear children. 

840
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:26,300
And if you do bear children, His
children will be seriously, 

841
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,800
developmentally delayed. 
So there's there's a thing 

842
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,100
called cretinism, that's you. 
All of the best insults. 

843
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,300
All all were originally medical 
terminology, right? 

844
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:40,500
So you kill someone, you call 
someone an idiot or more on 

845
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,100
that. 
That actually, that actually 

846
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,500
describes a very specific IQ 
range. 

847
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:48,700
So, an idiot was a medical 
terminology for someone with an 

848
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:54,400
IQ range of 0 to 30 in the so 
was 30 to 50 more on was T 270. 

849
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,200
And so that's why we call people
morons and idiots, and idiots in

850
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,500
particular because that was the 
worst thing you could call them 

851
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,200
and Cretin is another one you 
people. 

852
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,700
Do you cretin? 
Well the cretinism is congenital

853
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:14,800
hypothyroidism meaning that the 
mother while pregnant had low 

854
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,800
thyroid. 
And so, her child didn't develop

855
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,500
properly and developed a short 
stature and certain facial. 

856
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,400
Deformities as well as serious 
intellectual impairment. 

857
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:33,000
And that's it's a very, very 
serious illness and you don't 

858
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,000
recover from that. 
And so let's say that the Inuit 

859
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,100
you who have never, you don't 
eat carbohydrates traditionally.

860
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,100
Let's say that they develop 
cretinism you know because 

861
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,200
they're good, low thyroid, 
that's the theory, right? 

862
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,100
So if you have two competing 
theories, you should be able to 

863
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:54,300
find evidence with which to test
them against And Inuits are a 

864
00:47:54,308 --> 00:47:58,200
prime example because there 
aren't really any carbohydrates 

865
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,100
available anyway, up in the, you
know, the extreme Northern 

866
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:06,700
reaches. 
And so if if this if it was the 

867
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:10,700
case that you would get low 
thyroid, the Inuit would not 

868
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,600
exist. 
They just would not exist 

869
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:19,100
because you wouldn't make it one
generation because all of the 

870
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:23,100
kids would have cretinism and 
that would be it, it would be, 

871
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:27,500
they would Be able to survive in
that you know hellscape of the 

872
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:31,400
North Pole in those extreme 
conditions and you know their 

873
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,800
kids would get worse and worse 
or than they probably wouldn't 

874
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,900
be able to be fertile anyway. 
So that lasts exactly one 

875
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:39,600
generation. 
And then that's it. 

876
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,800
Those people are dead, you know,
they are wiped off the Earth, so

877
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600
that doesn't even pass the smell
test for me. 

878
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,100
Yeah, and I think there's other 
examples as well, but I don't 

879
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:51,800
think you really need to go 
further than that. 

880
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,000
If this wasn't the Optimal way 
biologically for humans to live,

881
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,900
then we wouldn't be able to live
that way now, period. 

882
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,300
You know, I feel like a lot of 
people, I'd be curious to get 

883
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:08,100
your thoughts on this, but I 
feel like a lot of people have a

884
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,200
growing concern for hormonal 
Health. 

885
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,700
When following a ketogenic, a 
carnivore diet, often times, 

886
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:16,600
because those individuals are 
just simply chronically under 

887
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,100
eating in general. 
And like, whenever I'm doing a 

888
00:49:19,107 --> 00:49:21,800
prep and I'm down at a very low 
caloric intake for a finite 

889
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,900
period of time, I'll see my 
Numbers tanked, you know, for 

890
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,000
that finite period of time. 
I feel like a lot of people who 

891
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000
are not in a bodybuilding, you 
know, Endeavor, they're not 

892
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,900
going through a period of 
reverse dieting or not, going 

893
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,600
through a strategic, you know, 
caloric, Surplus phase. 

894
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:38,800
They're just chronically under 
eating. 

895
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,900
They're seeing a negative effect
on their hormonal health, and 

896
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:45,800
they're not. 
Knowing that pointing the finger

897
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,400
at something like the lack of 
carbohydrates, like a fruit, 

898
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,000
something of that nature. 
Yeah. 

899
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,600
And and and especially in In 
when you're cutting for show, 

900
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,900
you probably eating a lot of low
fat as well. 

901
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:01,000
And that's, I don't issue, but a
lot of people do. 

902
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,700
Hope I'm good. 
Okay good. 

903
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,500
Yeah, well that's one thing. 
Obviously, you know, cholesterol

904
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,600
is a major component in your 
hormonal health, because 

905
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,500
cholesterol is what your 
hormones are all made from, you 

906
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:14,900
know, cholesterol is a precursor
for testosterone estrogen 

907
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:17,700
progestin. 
Progestogen is even cortisol and

908
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,400
all of your mineralocorticoids 
and glucocorticoids. 

909
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,000
Everything made in your in your 
adrenals, above your kidney. 

910
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,300
Those are Derived from 
cholesterol. 

911
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,900
And so if you're not getting 
enough cholesterol, you're not 

912
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:31,500
getting enough fat. 
You're not going to you're not 

913
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:36,000
going to have the building 
blocks necessary to make these 

914
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,100
these hormones properly. 
But yeah, you're right. 

915
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,700
You know, if you're if you're 
chronically under eating, you're

916
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:43,900
not getting enough, you're not 
getting these precursors, you're

917
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:45,100
not getting these building 
blocks. 

918
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:52,000
You're not going to have robust 
hormonal health either and so 

919
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,700
you know I don't know. 
It's funny, you know, that's 

920
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,500
another part of, you know, 
eating actually is, is I think 

921
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,500
that that means eating high fat 
as well. 

922
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:03,400
I think when you look at animals
in the wild, they generally eat 

923
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,300
between seventy eighty percent 
of their calories that that are 

924
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:10,400
derived from fat. 
And and that goes for carnivores

925
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,800
as well as herbivores because 
carnivores eat animals with 

926
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,500
that. 
And they go for the fat first 

927
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:18,600
people. 
You know, will say when they're 

928
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,600
arguing for organs, they'll say,
oh, look at a wolf alpha wolf. 

929
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,700
If you know gets the liver Alpha
we know that go for the the 

930
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:30,800
organs and you look at you know 
lions king lion, you know gets 

931
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,700
the Lion's Share right eats as 
much of what he wants as he 

932
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:40,300
wants and then and then allows 
the other lines to come in and 

933
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:42,800
eat after. 
He's had his fill of his of the 

934
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,000
choice part, and they go for the
belly. 

935
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:48,700
They often go for the belly 
first, and this is where bacon 

936
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:52,600
comes from the, the belly meat. 
And then you get into the organs

937
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,600
are all. 
Look at that they're eating. 

938
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,000
Org is eating organs is to say, 
well, okay, well, they are 

939
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,700
eating organs, but what do they 
also eating around? 

940
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,700
The organs is the fat. 
That's where most of the fat is 

941
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,600
in the abdominal cavity. 
You have the omentum. 

942
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,600
It's just, it's an organ but 
it's just fat. 

943
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,800
Really. 
You get all the perinephric fact

944
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,400
you get all the injured um 
abdominal fat, which there is a 

945
00:52:11,408 --> 00:52:17,100
lot of, you know, in the 
mesentery which is the the 

946
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,300
vascular structures of the 
intestine. 

947
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:21,400
That's all covered in fat, you 
know? 

948
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,500
So these animals are eating 
organs. 

949
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:29,400
But I think that really what 
they're going for is the fat and

950
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,000
so, you know, King line gets the
fattiest B. 

951
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,200
First alpha, wolf gets the 
fattiest B first and get the 

952
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,000
organs along with it. 
But That makes sense to me. 

953
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,400
I feel like there's been. 
It's weird man. 

954
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,800
I'm not sure if this is the same
in the carnivore space but 

955
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,800
certainly within the keto space 
in the last year. 

956
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,000
Or so, there's been this big 
push towards really low dietary 

957
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,700
fat and really high protein, 
which is just confusing to me, 

958
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:59,500
because that's kind of counter 
to what the ketogenic diet is in

959
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:01,900
its Essence. 
But I'm assuming the same is 

960
00:53:01,900 --> 00:53:03,800
probably true. 
In the carnivore, space has been

961
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,600
this big push for leaner cuts 
and less dietary fat. 

962
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,500
And that's always just baffled 
because anybody that I've Seen 

963
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,900
make a transformation or, you 
know, seen success with as a 

964
00:53:14,908 --> 00:53:18,900
client but they typically 
function much better from a 

965
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:22,200
psychological standpoint from a 
performance-based standpoint and

966
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:26,000
don't seem to have any issues 
losing body fat all in the 

967
00:53:26,008 --> 00:53:29,200
context of pretty considerably 
High dietary fat. 

968
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Yeah. 
Oh, absolutely. 

969
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,500
And that's a thing. 
You know, like, I mean, animals 

970
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:36,300
that go for the fat first, you 
know, like any of these survival

971
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,500
shows you see I people out in 
the woods or whatever and 

972
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,400
they're there for like months. 
At a time, they all say like, 

973
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,100
you, I've got to get the stat. 
I have this fat store like that.

974
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:47,200
So fat is life all this sort of 
stuff. 

975
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,100
And when animals raid their 
little stores of food, they 

976
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:51,800
always go for like the fat 
first. 

977
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,900
They just eat these tins of fat 
that they're saving their damn 

978
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:56,000
it. 
That's what I needed. 

979
00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:58,800
That is. 
That is life. 

980
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,300
That is what, you know, makes 
the animal kingdom run. 

981
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:07,900
And, and even, even even 
herbivores, as I was saying, you

982
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:10,000
know, people don't realize this,
you know, they look at they look

983
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,500
at grass and look. 
Plants and they say, oh, that 

984
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:13,900
that has carbohydrates that has 
this. 

985
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:16,900
As that, yes, they do. 
But that's not what the animal 

986
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:22,300
absorbs, you know, the bacteria 
in their intestines and guts and

987
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,400
so forth. 
They break down the fiber. 

988
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,200
They actually eat the fiber 
known vertebrae. 

989
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,900
Animal can break down fiber. 
We just don't have the enzymes 

990
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:32,800
to do that. 
And so, it's actually the 

991
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,600
special bacteria that are 
breaking it down, and that's 

992
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,800
what they eat. 
And then as a by-product, 

993
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,200
basically, their waist is Short 
chain fatty acids. 

994
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:46,000
And that's what the animal. 
Absorbs is, are the short chain 

995
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,700
fatty acids and then the, you 
know, the bacteria dies off and 

996
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:52,700
you know, the body breaks those 
down and actually absorbs, those

997
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:54,800
well I guess protein and other 
nutrients. 

998
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,400
So that's actually what the 
animal is absorbing. 

999
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,400
They're not, they're not really 
eating and absorbing the plant 

1000
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,800
material. 
They're sort of using that and 

1001
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,700
farming. 
The bacteria which are actually 

1002
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:07,900
producing the nutrients that 
they need, most of which is fat.

1003
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,700
And so, you know, gorillas it 
just eat green leaves. 

1004
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:14,500
About 70 percent of their 
calories from fat and cows that 

1005
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:16,400
eat grass. 
They're more efficient at this 

1006
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,900
and they get about 80%. 
And so, even in herbivores, 

1007
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:25,000
you're seeing this, this is high
fat intake. 

1008
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,300
You do get things like like 
rabbit poisoning rabbit 

1009
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:30,600
sickness. 
Protein poisoning were if you're

1010
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,200
getting more than 40 percent of 
your calories from protein, you 

1011
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,900
know, you people start noticing 
that it is actually actually can

1012
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:44,100
cause harm. 
And eventually can be can be 

1013
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,300
fatal if you're eating a lot 
more protein than. 

1014
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:52,100
And so that's something that you
have to contend with that is 

1015
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:55,300
really, really important. 
You know, I talked to you about 

1016
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:59,100
this but you know, we have four 
organs working in concert just 

1017
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,000
to absorb fat. 
So if that wasn't extremely 

1018
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
important, you know, we would 
not have that system setup, 

1019
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,000
right? 
So liver makes bile gallbladder 

1020
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,600
stores. 
Bile bile is what is a mole? 

1021
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,700
Sighs fats that we can absorb it
better, and your body and your 

1022
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:17,900
pancreas secretes enzymes to 
help break this stuff down 

1023
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:20,400
further and then it can be 
emulsified and then your small 

1024
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,200
intestine, absorbs it. 
So you have four, organs all 

1025
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,600
working together, just to absorb
fat. 

1026
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,700
So that is something that's 
very, very important and I think

1027
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:34,200
that it's very easy to tell how 
much fat your body wants by how 

1028
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,200
much bile your body produces. 
Because I think that that's, you

1029
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,900
know, I know I don't have a 
study to say this, Us. 

1030
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,500
But just thinking about things 
physiologically, I think it 

1031
00:56:43,508 --> 00:56:46,300
would make sense that your body 
is going to make the amount of 

1032
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:51,500
bile that it wants fat, you 
know, as it's making x amount of

1033
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:54,000
bile because that's how much fat
it can absorb. 

1034
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,800
And that's how much fat your 
body wants. 

1035
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,600
I think that makes physiological
sense. 

1036
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,800
Your body is very, very 
exacting. 

1037
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:03,000
It doesn't just make a whole 
bunch of something just because,

1038
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,300
you know, it's not going to. 
It's not going to waste its 

1039
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:09,200
energy on that if you're wasting
energy in the wild, you're dead.

1040
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,700
And so, you know, Are 
biologically. 

1041
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:19,000
These systems are measured to 
exacting levels and so you know,

1042
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,600
if you're constipated to having 
dry hard stools on a corner 

1043
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,900
board diet, that means that your
body is absorbing every ounce of

1044
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:31,200
fat that you're eating and you 
probably want more and that if 

1045
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,500
you because it's very hard for 
your body to absorb fat without 

1046
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:39,400
by like and absorb some, but 
most of it comes from from the 

1047
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,300
bile. 
And so if you eat more fat than 

1048
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:47,600
you have bile for well that that
spills over and you excrete that

1049
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,700
and that's what actually keeps 
your stool soft. 

1050
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:53,200
And so if it's if you have hard 
stools while you're absorbing 

1051
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,700
all of it, you know? 
And so if you're if you have a 

1052
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:58,300
little bit extra, what that 
means, your body is absorbing as

1053
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:01,000
much as it wants and then 
there's a little extra. 

1054
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,200
So I think that's where, you 
know, that's the sweet spot. 

1055
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,600
And then, if you're eating a lot
more fat than your body can 

1056
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,700
absorb it will just come out in 
more dramatic fashion. 

1057
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,800
You get, you get loose, stools 
and other things and costly 

1058
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,600
stools, like coffee or 
artificial sweeteners, 

1059
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,100
especially the sugar alcohols 
like Xylitol or sorbitol, but if

1060
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,600
you're not doing any of that, 
you're only eating fat and 

1061
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,900
you're getting loose, stools. 
That it's been the you're just 

1062
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,000
eating more fat. 
But you can sit there just eat a

1063
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,100
bucket of lard and your body 
will have a hard time absorbing 

1064
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:34,000
write anything more than what 
you have bile for. 

1065
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,500
So, you know, it's not going to 
cause harm. 

1066
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,700
It's going to be very 
inconvenient. 

1067
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:40,600
Yeah. 
Not as desirable. 

1068
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:44,400
Well, we don't like yourself, 
that's predominantly no muscle 

1069
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,400
meat, you know, and a good 
portion of it. 

1070
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,600
Are you, are you particularly 
strict on the sourcing of that 

1071
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,800
meat especially with like a 
ruminant? 

1072
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,500
I would imagine and they've done
studies on this that the 

1073
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:59,400
difference in the amino acid 
profile between a grass-fed 

1074
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,000
grass-finished. 
You know, ruminant is not too 

1075
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,200
too different from that of, you 
know, conventionally raised 

1076
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,400
beef. 
Now that the that contrast 

1077
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,300
bronze more, when it's, you 
know, like a like a Can report 

1078
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:13,400
or something of that nature, but
what's your stance on the whole 

1079
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:19,600
grass-fed grass-finished debate?
Yeah, I almost exclusively just 

1080
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,300
just grain finished cow, but 
I'll mostly be if I just feel 

1081
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:27,200
the best on beef, Lambs. 
Good. 

1082
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,700
The all the roommates animals 
are great, but I prefer beef, 

1083
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:35,500
chicken and pork. 
I eat sometimes as well, but 

1084
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:39,400
very rarely, I barely ever eat 
chicken pork. 

1085
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,600
Maybe I'll get like pork 
bellies. 

1086
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:43,100
Or something like that. 
Sometimes, if I want to increase

1087
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:47,800
the fat content, I usually don't
eat and much else from pork. 

1088
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:52,900
So, like, you know, 97 percent, 
or more of what I eat is just is

1089
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:58,500
just fatty beef. 
Grass-fed is, is great. 

1090
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:01,600
You, I was able to Source an 
older cows like 10 years old and

1091
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,400
I get that something you haven't
had dry before is definitely 

1092
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,300
worth doing the older. 
The cow, the better. 

1093
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:10,400
It tastes as is more 
concentrated beefy flavor. 

1094
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,700
Is generally cheaper, you know, 
you get you go straight to 

1095
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:16,600
Rancher and you just say hey I 
want to get one of your older 

1096
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,800
cows. 
They generally just have to, you

1097
01:00:18,808 --> 01:00:21,500
know, break them down for a 
hamburger meat and they sell at 

1098
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:24,900
a lower rate. 
So you're doing them a favor and

1099
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,300
you are also getting this at a 
cheaper price as well. 

1100
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,500
And it was like hands down the 
best at. 

1101
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,400
I almost feel like I don't want 
to like give this secret away 

1102
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,500
because I don't want to like 
pump up the market because that 

1103
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:37,800
gets so good like, for to me. 
Anyway, maybe, you know, other 

1104
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,300
people prefer a different flavor
but it was Was it would 

1105
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:45,400
absolutely outstanding and I had
a New York strip, a prime New 

1106
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,900
York strip from Costco and you 
know the New York portion of 

1107
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:55,500
this older completely 100% 
grass-fed cow and I did taste 

1108
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:58,200
test. 
I tried to Prime Steak first. 

1109
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,500
It was like amazing. 
Oh my God, I love this like such

1110
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,600
a great you know just Beach just
tastes so great. 

1111
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,700
Then I tried the, you know, the 
older cow and it's like yeah 

1112
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:09,200
this is so good too. 
And I just sort of a little bit 

1113
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,500
more of that a few more bites of
that and A psycho psycho, right?

1114
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,700
Well, let's try the other one 
again and it would be, there was

1115
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,600
no beefy flavor was just it, 
just tasted Rich because it had 

1116
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:24,400
a lot more fat, but it was 
completely overpowered in flavor

1117
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,600
by the, by the older cow. 
And it was, it was just amazing.

1118
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:32,700
And, you know, if you look at 
like, the omega-3 versus Omega 

1119
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:36,800
sixes, you know, if your, if 
your grain finishing a cow for 

1120
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:41,800
the study I saw showed about 
after, like about Three months, 

1121
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:48,500
which is quite a long time that 
you you're getting a diminishing

1122
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:52,500
amounts of Omega-3s and so it 
eventually you sort of, sort of 

1123
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,100
run out of that if it's just, 
you know, just eating grains for

1124
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:58,600
a long enough period. 
But I think I think otherwise 

1125
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,000
it's, you know, it's not that 
big of a deal honestly and I've 

1126
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,300
been doing that for a very long 
time and I feel absolutely 

1127
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:10,000
fantastic. 
You know, the the 10-year old 

1128
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,000
grass Fed its whole life cow 
like that. 

1129
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,200
I felt super charged on. 
I did feel better on that but 

1130
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,700
even though it was leaner, but I
feel absolutely fantastic on the

1131
01:02:22,700 --> 01:02:24,300
on the grain finished beef as 
well. 

1132
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:27,800
I think of it as like, you know,
in the Olympics, you know, the 

1133
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,700
first that, you know that gold 
and silver medal in the Olympics

1134
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:35,600
like you know, silver metal 
silver medalist lost to Gold but

1135
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,100
the silver medalist also beat, 
absolutely everyone else on 

1136
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:42,400
Earth, you know? 
So is it gold? 

1137
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:46,500
No but you know what? 
It's it's absolutely fantastic. 

1138
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:49,900
So I wouldn't, I wouldn't lose 
too much sleep over over that if

1139
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:52,300
you can't get great grass-fed 
but which can be a lot more 

1140
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:53,600
expensive to. 
Yeah. 

1141
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,900
I feel like that's always a 
limiting factor for some people 

1142
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:58,200
from a financial standpoint. 
They feel they just can't even 

1143
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,200
carnivore because they can't get
everything, you know, perfectly 

1144
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,100
dialed in. 
But at the end they if you're 

1145
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:06,000
eating a room in it I mean 
they're up regulate the 

1146
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,800
nutrition from what they're 
eating so I mean, you know, 

1147
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,500
pretty much covering your bases 
know. 

1148
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:12,700
What if you're eating beef for 
the most part? 

1149
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,000
Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

1150
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:19,200
I think, yeah, you're not going 
to go wrong and and, you know, 

1151
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,700
even even just like the wag, you
sort of sort of stuff. 

1152
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:27,300
I don't think that you're going 
to run into too many problems. 

1153
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:30,800
I think you have the you'll 
probably be better off. 

1154
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,200
You'll have better fats. 
If you're not doing like a full 

1155
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,800
wagon has only eating grains, 
its whole life. 

1156
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:41,900
But you know it by and large, it
has As absolutely everything 

1157
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:44,700
that you need in the proportion,
that you need it without all the

1158
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:48,900
extra crap that you don't want 
as well even even if it's grain.

1159
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,300
Finished, how are you typically 
cooking your steaks? 

1160
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:54,400
You doing like a pellet grill? 
You going with the hate the, the

1161
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,200
auto wild Grill at 
flame-broiled, Super popular, 

1162
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,400
right now? 
They were trying that one. 

1163
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,100
I haven't tried that either. 
I think that would be great, you

1164
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:06,300
know, you really just just, you 
know, charring the hell out of 

1165
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,400
one side and then flipping it 
over, you know, at high heat 

1166
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,300
sit. 
To get a good result, are you? 

1167
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:17,800
I just, I just just pan-fry 
mostly, you know, put in animal 

1168
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:23,000
fat like, you know, Tallow or 
sometimes ghee in the pan and 

1169
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,500
just fry it up, you know, I done
a couple videos on YouTube about

1170
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,500
my refrigerator is just it's 
just packed with meat and that 

1171
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:33,900
sort of terrified, some people 
and excited to others. 

1172
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,900
And but, you know, I wet age 
things and I do like dry 

1173
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:42,400
brining, you were Or I'll cut 
things up into steaks and just 

1174
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,600
salt them and with the salt soak
in it'll and put it on drying 

1175
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,400
racks in the fridge and let that
salt soak in it, dry out a bit 

1176
01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:54,000
and it will just concentrates 
the flavor and just the salt 

1177
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,600
gets all the way through the 
meat and it tastes amazing. 

1178
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,200
It also dries it out a bit so it
Browns much better and you doing

1179
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,800
that on the grill and it tastes 
fine. 

1180
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,800
But when you're doing that on a 
pan, With your animal fat, it 

1181
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,800
almost it almost fries, it and 
it crisps up the outside. 

1182
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,400
So it's like this crunchy crust 
on the outside, it's amazing. 

1183
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:20,000
And so, you know, I like, you 
know, I like that side of 

1184
01:05:20,008 --> 01:05:23,300
things. 
And so I have an air for are 

1185
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:24,600
actually having an impact it 
yet. 

1186
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,500
I really should I'm looking at 
it now, like I really actually 

1187
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:29,300
just open this thing up and use 
it. 

1188
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,800
My brother really likes air 
fryer and I know a lot of people

1189
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,900
that had like the airfryer as 
well but you know, just just on 

1190
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,300
the pan is so easy. 
It's just you High heat, 3 

1191
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:42,600
minutes on each side, and you've
got this perfectly cooked steak.

1192
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:46,200
And so, that's mostly what I do.
I do sometimes, I'll use, like, 

1193
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:51,200
appropriate, propane grill. 
And, you know, my girlfriend has

1194
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,100
a, got a smoker from Costco. 
And so, we'll do like briskets 

1195
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,700
in there as well. 
Nice, nice. 

1196
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:00,400
Yeah, I got one of those pellet 
grills. 

1197
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,000
I use that but you gotta have a 
Char on again, at that crust. 

1198
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,100
Rest. 
You just doing something wrong. 

1199
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:07,400
I feel like, you know, you get 
the skillet Rock and you can do 

1200
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,500
that. 
That the air fryers are pretty 

1201
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:11,400
good for getting a good crust on
there, but you just feel less 

1202
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,600
manly cooking them on a air 
fryer, when you got a group 

1203
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:18,600
sitting outside, you know? 
Yeah, yeah, I like the grill. 

1204
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:19,800
Yeah, I think it I think it 
works. 

1205
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,700
Well, totally totally well, 
shoot, man. 

1206
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:23,800
I want to be respectful of your 
time, but I want to kind of 

1207
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,300
round this out with just a 
little discussion on, you know 

1208
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:27,600
what, you're seeing with your 
patients. 

1209
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,700
You said you're doing typically 
neurosurgery's afternoon. 

1210
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:32,600
Yeah, that's correct. 
Yeah. 

1211
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,500
Are you kind of able to have a 
conversation with him and bounce

1212
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:38,500
these dietary? 
Is the Carnivore Dinosaur. 

1213
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:40,700
They are they taking any 
interest in that or what's been 

1214
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:44,700
your, what's been your 
experience with kind of leading 

1215
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,700
them down that path that they 
pretty receptive to it? 

1216
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:52,800
Yeah, absolutely. 
It's, you know, it's something 

1217
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,100
that you have to be sort of 
careful with obviously because 

1218
01:06:56,100 --> 01:07:01,200
you're working in a hospital 
system and, and you have their 

1219
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,000
certain dietary recommendations 
and official government 

1220
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,900
guidelines and all that sort of 
nonsense. 

1221
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:11,200
But, you know, I don't I don't 
really obviously, I don't listen

1222
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,800
to those because they're just 
full of carbohydrates and sugar 

1223
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,300
and processed crap, which is 
crazy. 

1224
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:18,600
You know, you look, we walk 
around the hospital and you see 

1225
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:22,400
the food that we as a hospital 
or giving them and it's just 

1226
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,900
like, this is causing the 
diseases that they're in here 

1227
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:29,500
with and it really bothers me. 
And, you know, I've sent a lot 

1228
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:33,800
of notes and letters and, and 
emails to the powers that be and

1229
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,800
obviously never never heard 
anything back. 

1230
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,800
But as Or as patients are 
concerned, you know, it's a long

1231
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,100
conversation. 
It's obviously something that 

1232
01:07:43,100 --> 01:07:47,300
that goes against a lot of the, 
you know, the dogma of of the 

1233
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:51,100
past half-century. 
And so it's it's difficult to 

1234
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:54,600
sort of crunch That Into, You 
know, an office visit or the 

1235
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,200
amount of time that I have to 
speak to people. 

1236
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,200
But when it when it does come up
and they ask me something, I 

1237
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:04,700
don't feel that it's ethical to 
not talk about it. 

1238
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:09,400
And so you know, people have 
Cancer, like metastatic cancer 

1239
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,600
or even primary brain cancer, 
you know, they ask me, what is 

1240
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,000
there something I can do is 
order. 

1241
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,100
I just at the whim of, you know,
the oncologist and adjust its 

1242
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:22,399
Gon Work or it's not, you know, 
is there something I can do to, 

1243
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,800
to help my situation? 
I don't feel that it's ethical 

1244
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,000
for me to not talk to them about
this because there are studies 

1245
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,500
that show that it's just at 
least a ketogenic diet helps 

1246
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,700
fight, cancer significantly. 
And so, you know, and At 

1247
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,700
optimizing. 
Your health in general is going 

1248
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:45,399
to help your health in general 
and so I don't, I don't feel 

1249
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:49,399
that I cannot tell them and so I
do have conversations with them,

1250
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:52,500
but I preface it by saying that 
this is not the Official 

1251
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:55,200
Guidelines not. 
Is it, aren't they departmental 

1252
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:57,800
recommendations or the hospital 
recommendations? 

1253
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,600
This is this is purely my my 
views on this and I have reasons

1254
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,399
for for that. 
And I'll share these Resources 

1255
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:07,100
with you and so if they're 
interested, I'll talk to them 

1256
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:08,899
about. 
That and then just share the 

1257
01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:11,700
resources, share the studies, 
share the different. 

1258
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:15,899
People like Thomas seifried 
because professor at Boston 

1259
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:20,500
College and he's done a ton of 
research into this, and I just I

1260
01:09:20,508 --> 01:09:23,500
just point them in those 
directions is a look here. 

1261
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:26,200
Some studies here. 
The research groups here are all

1262
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,600
these different people, you 
know, bettering their situation 

1263
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:34,700
with diet and and you decide, 
you know, you do what's right 

1264
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:39,700
for you. 
And, and What I, that's what I 

1265
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:42,300
try to do and then there's other
people that have chronic pain 

1266
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:45,899
because I can neurosurgery deal 
with spinal issues and nerve 

1267
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:50,300
compression that cause great 
pain in the back, but 

1268
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,000
particularly down the legs or 
the arms and neurological 

1269
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,700
dysfunction, you'll be gotten 
from that. 

1270
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,700
And When you reduce the 
inflammation, when you stop 

1271
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:06,300
eating all of these things, you 
know, I don't know if you've 

1272
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:09,300
noticed this in your workouts 
but I've certainly noticed that 

1273
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:11,200
I don't get sore anymore after 
working out. 

1274
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,400
It doesn't matter how long I've 
taken off between working out or

1275
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,000
how hard I go, I just don't, I 
don't get sore, what I've 

1276
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,400
noticed that it's these 
different inflammatory factors 

1277
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,200
in Plants. 
Particularly in grains and 

1278
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,100
carbohydrate containing plants 
that really caused a large 

1279
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:31,700
burden of inflammation. 
And eliminate that out. 

1280
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:33,500
And it's just, it's just not 
there anymore. 

1281
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:40,700
When people do that in a chronic
pain setting and they're having 

1282
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:45,300
a lot of back pain and shooting 
nerve pain or fibromyalgia. 

1283
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:49,200
That's another thing is to sort 
of a basically doctors throwing 

1284
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,000
up their hands going. 
I have no idea what this is. 

1285
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:56,200
So we'll call it fibromyalgia 
and finding that these people, 

1286
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,500
when they go on a carnivore diet
or even just a ketogenic diet 

1287
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:03,200
and Get rid of all these grains 
and carbs and sugar that their 

1288
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,200
pain levels, reduce 
significantly, some people to 

1289
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,700
the point of not needing surgery
anymore. 

1290
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:13,200
And I think that, if you can get
someone into that position where

1291
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,100
they don't need surgery, I think
that you've done them a real 

1292
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:19,400
service because, you know, 
surgery is that you always avoid

1293
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,600
surgery. 
If you absolutely have, if you 

1294
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,700
had absolutely no. 
Anyway, can its destructive. 

1295
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:28,200
You're cutting through tissue. 
You're damaging tissue you're 

1296
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,900
causing different problems. 
Sometimes you need, You because 

1297
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:35,300
it's providing more good than 
harm, but, you know, it can go 

1298
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:38,900
very wrong and it can cost you 
your life. 

1299
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:46,400
And so it's not something to do 
lightly and being able to Avoid 

1300
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,400
surgery in these in these 
patients is I think a very, very

1301
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:53,500
good thing to do. 
And and even though I like doing

1302
01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:55,700
surgery, it's something that's 
fun for me. 

1303
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,700
You know, that's not something 
that I want to do. 

1304
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:02,400
I would never want to do surgery
on someone who didn't strictly 

1305
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,900
need it. 
And so that's, yeah, that's what

1306
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:06,900
I try to sort of bring to the 
table. 

1307
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:08,500
Yeah, man. 
I think I would have to think 

1308
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:10,600
that they're receptive to what 
you're saying. 

1309
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:11,600
Cause I mean, you look 
Department. 

1310
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,300
I mean, you're healthy. 
You obviously know what you're 

1311
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:17,100
talking about and I feel like 
Like, I don't spend much time in

1312
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:18,700
hospitals, we just got the 
house, but we had to have 

1313
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:22,000
emergency surgery for my wife, 
baby. 

1314
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:23,400
That was a whole lot of 
students. 

1315
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,100
Oh, but you see all these 
doctors that are overweight 

1316
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,100
there? 
There's clearly unhealth in 

1317
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:32,400
their prescribing, these 
nutritional protocols or, you 

1318
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,700
know, dietary wisdom and like, 
for me, like I have someone is 

1319
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:39,000
not living the life that I would
want to emulate. 

1320
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:41,100
I'm not really gonna put much 
weight in there what they're 

1321
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:42,900
saying. 
So I think, you know, for you 

1322
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:45,400
being able to talk to people and
just level with him and speak, 

1323
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:48,900
To lie about him or to them 
about what's clearly worked for 

1324
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:50,800
you. 
I feel like as a patient that's 

1325
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,200
in there and they're going to be
so much more receptive to what 

1326
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,400
you're saying and I feel like 
any time you can have that 

1327
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,100
conversation, even if it takes 
longer, I think I think you're 

1328
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:02,000
making an impact in ways. 
You don't even realize man. 

1329
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:04,600
Yeah. 
Well thank ya. 

1330
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,100
Thank you. 
Like ya did, it does me be 

1331
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:10,200
different. 
So it then people do say that 

1332
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,200
they say well what are you 
doing? 

1333
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,900
Like obviously, you know, you're
you know, you're onto something 

1334
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,600
and, you know, and I told her I 
talk to them about it and say, 

1335
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,700
look, this is what I do and this
is why I do it. 

1336
01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:23,600
You know, it does help that, you
know, I that I look like I'm in 

1337
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,300
shape, like I'm not, you know, I
wouldn't consider myself shape 

1338
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:28,800
because I don't have time. 
I don't work out as much as I 

1339
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,300
want to. 
And so I don't feel that 

1340
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:34,500
athletically I'm where I want to
be, but Definitely look as if I 

1341
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:37,400
did. 
And so you know, because the way

1342
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:43,600
I I'm able to maintain my 
physique very easily and and so,

1343
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,600
you know, yeah. 
And and you're right, you know, 

1344
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,000
it's funny too because a lot of 
doctors who don't look the part 

1345
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,800
and that sort of e traditionally
they don't even realize that 

1346
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,800
they're doing it wrong. 
They're like, oh yeah, no this 

1347
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,400
is right. 
I eat healthy blah, blah blah. 

1348
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,900
And they can't even see 
themselves in the mirror. 

1349
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:03,800
Me like I am clearly, not 
healthy and No, I remember 

1350
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:07,100
someone saying, they're like, oh
yeah, the reason that people are

1351
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,400
all fat and sick is because they
did, they just don't listen to 

1352
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,300
die. 
They just don't listen to the 

1353
01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:15,400
dietary recommendations and and 
I had to point out to them like,

1354
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,800
well, no, actually the problem 
is that they did listen. 

1355
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,300
You know, when you look at the 
consumption data in America and 

1356
01:14:21,308 --> 01:14:25,700
around the world, the problem 
came when people started 

1357
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:29,500
changing their their dietary 
habits to eat less meat, less 

1358
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:32,300
fat start eating more fruits, 
and vegetables and Grains. 

1359
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:35,600
And There and that's when the 
weight started coming up. 

1360
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,900
That's when the disease is 
started to climb and you know 

1361
01:14:38,907 --> 01:14:42,100
this person that I was speaking 
to a particular was overweight 

1362
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,400
and I thought they just don't 
listen like will do you, you 

1363
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,700
know, you because you're 
overweight, you're not in very 

1364
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:50,300
good shape. 
But they consider that like oh 

1365
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:54,000
well I just don't have time to 
exercise and I'm living proof 

1366
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,900
that you don't have to exercise 
in order to be you know, slim 

1367
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,900
and and muscular. 
Yeah, it helps you know it We'll

1368
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:04,200
add to it. 
You know what? 

1369
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,500
I definitely get bigger and 
bulkier and more athletic when I

1370
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:13,200
work out but you know, I stay 
slim and trim either way. 

1371
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,900
Yeah, I think I think that's 
that's He-Man. 

1372
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:18,700
I mean, I don't know, all the 
success I've seen when it comes 

1373
01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:22,100
to my athletic Endeavors and my 
just overall lifestyle, Health 

1374
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,900
Journey has come when I've 
started to go against the grain 

1375
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:30,400
and not do what, you know, the, 
the dietary, you know, powers 

1376
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,900
that be encouraged us to do so. 
You can't really get much more 

1377
01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:35,300
contrarian than a carnivore 
diet. 

1378
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:37,600
It's obviously working. 
So I think I think you're the 

1379
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,200
right past there. 
Yeah, I think. 

1380
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,000
Yeah, there is exactly the 
opposite of what, what we've 

1381
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
been told for the last like 50 
years. 

1382
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,300
But, you know, you know, the 
results speak for themselves 

1383
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:53,100
and, you know, it's, there's a 
quote that I say a lot, but I 

1384
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:56,900
think it's so relevant in so 
many aspects of life, which is 

1385
01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:59,800
from Richard, Fineman use the 
physicist, and professor at 

1386
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,300
Caltech previously, if he said 
that, it doesn't matter how 

1387
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:07,200
brilliant your theory is and it 
doesn't matter how smart you 

1388
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,800
are. 
If it doesn't agree with 

1389
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,500
experiment, it's Wrong, you 
know? 

1390
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:14,600
And so we say, no, no, if you 
eat fatty meat, you're going to 

1391
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,800
get fat, you're going to get 
sick and yet I'm find, I get the

1392
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,200
opposite. 
Well, that's the real-life 

1393
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,600
experiment showing that is wrong
and so, you know, if you, if you

1394
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,800
have something and you just 
seeing this like, no, no, no, 

1395
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,100
this is the theory. 
It must be right, as I will, but

1396
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,900
it's not though, it's clearly 
not because you're getting the 

1397
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:37,000
opposite results when you 
actually put it into practice. 

1398
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,900
And so you have to be able to 
recognize that and And I had to 

1399
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:43,500
adjust and that's what I've been
trying to do. 

1400
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,600
Ya feel like simply just 
practice what you preach and and

1401
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,800
living by experience and just if
they haven't common sense, like 

1402
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,100
people, I mean, people have lost
touch of their self-awareness to

1403
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:57,500
know how they feel like people 
don't even know how they feel 

1404
01:16:57,500 --> 01:17:00,100
anymore. 
So, just coming back to that 

1405
01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:02,500
having that sense of 
self-awareness, trying things 

1406
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:04,200
experimenting. 
And then just being honest with 

1407
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,700
the results, I feel like people 
would gain so much more, you 

1408
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:09,800
know, awareness of themselves 
and what they're capable of, if 

1409
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,200
they Simply learn to do that and
just start with the foods that 

1410
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,800
they're eating being the first 
step. 

1411
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:16,800
Yeah. 
Oh, absolutely. 

1412
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,600
And that's the thing, you know, 
if you if you try corn borer 

1413
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,500
diet or even a ketogenic diet 
like a high fat meat based 

1414
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:26,700
ketogenic diet, you're going to 
be eliminating out so many 

1415
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:29,200
things that are harmful to your 
body and you're going to be 

1416
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,800
giving yourself the actual fuel 
that it needs. 

1417
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:37,400
You will feel so remarkably 
different and I certainly felt 

1418
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,400
wildly different in the First 
couple weeks and I was eating 

1419
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,000
more. 
I was eating more calories which

1420
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,800
is people the calories in 
calories out crowd which are 

1421
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,400
just people who have MS. 
Didn't pay attention in 

1422
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,700
Biochemistry class you know are 
you know saying that that's 

1423
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:54,600
impossible that you you eat more
calories? 

1424
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,100
You're going to put on weight. 
Well, sorry dude I didn't, you 

1425
01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:00,500
know, I was eating like, you 
know, again back to Richard 

1426
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:04,000
Fineman, it doesn't meet with 
experiment, you know, I increase

1427
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:09,800
my calories, probably four or 
five times and I lost something 

1428
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,600
like 23 pounds in the first 10 
days of just dropping green. 

1429
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,500
So I was really eating a 
ketogenic diet even though I 

1430
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:19,600
wasn't doing kedo, I was just 
not eating carbohydrates and 

1431
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,900
Grains and sugar and I was just 
eating a lot of greens and then 

1432
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:26,400
some me but I was limiting the 
meat that was limiting, the fat 

1433
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,300
certainly and then all of a 
sudden I was like nope, this is 

1434
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:31,100
what it is. 
I knew plans were trying to kill

1435
01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:34,400
me like get rid of these damn 
things and I just dropped them 

1436
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,100
and I started eating a lot more 
more meat and at a stop trimming

1437
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:40,900
the fat off. 
And so I was He's way more 

1438
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:46,500
calories and I just shed weight 
and you know, that's not 

1439
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:47,300
possible. 
Is it? 

1440
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:49,400
Well, it happened. 
So I guess it is possible. 

1441
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,000
Yeah. 
And you know, and I felt amazing

1442
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,400
and that was that was the main 
difference for me was I just 

1443
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,200
felt so much better. 
And after two weeks I was you 

1444
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,100
I'd been in Bangladesh doing 
humanitarian work, not your 

1445
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:05,300
volunteering as a doctor in the 
refugee camps, there between 

1446
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:09,800
2017 2018 and I just I wasn't 
really, I was definitely not in 

1447
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,000
shape. 
And I had a lot of excess weight

1448
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,700
and it was like a huge like you 
could still sort of see my 

1449
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,300
six-pack, but it was it's 
definitely padded. 

1450
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,400
And and you know, I was trying 
to get back into shape so I 

1451
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,200
could start playing rugby again 
and I just wasn't feeling, I 

1452
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,400
just didn't feel great on my. 
I'm really gonna have to put in 

1453
01:19:26,407 --> 01:19:29,500
some work to get into shape and 
then, you know, two weeks on 

1454
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,100
Carnivore diet and I was just 
like, yeah, I'm ready to go. 

1455
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,900
Like, I'm just, I just feel 
amazing. 

1456
01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:37,500
And even though I was still out 
of shape and hadn't really been 

1457
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:42,000
running and run it all months. 
And I still looked, I was still 

1458
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,100
carrying excess weight. 
I felt absolutely incredible and

1459
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:48,200
I was able to perform at a high 
level as well, and I was using a

1460
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,000
dead Sprint. 
The whole time with people that 

1461
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,400
had been training the whole 
time. 

1462
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,300
I was gone and and we're 
professional athletes. 

1463
01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:58,700
Very professional rugby players.
And and I was able to, you know,

1464
01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:02,700
be right up there with them even
though I was not in shape. 

1465
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,300
And then but my fitness just 
came back very, very quickly and

1466
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:13,000
my body just And as well. 
And I was eating a lot more than

1467
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,100
I than I was before. 
So, you know, just the real life

1468
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:22,000
experience, trying these things.
I think will sell it to pretty 

1469
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,200
much everybody, you know, 
because like it is such a 

1470
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,200
dramatic difference. 
And like, to the point that I 

1471
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:33,600
just, I will never willingly go 
back to eating, you know, 

1472
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,200
standard American diet ever. 
Again, unless I'm starving to 

1473
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,800
death and I absolutely have to 
to, to save My life, I will 

1474
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,000
absolutely not do it in any 
other circumstances if I have 

1475
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,100
any control over. 
Well, I don't think we'll have a

1476
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,700
hopefully, that will have an 
issue where we can't eat the 

1477
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:51,600
foods that we desire. 
Hopefully, which you will have 

1478
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,400
meat in in abundance for the 
foreseeable future for sure. 

1479
01:20:56,100 --> 01:21:00,100
But yeah, I think like simply 
living living that and and 

1480
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:02,800
leaning on those experiences 
like that to me carries a hell 

1481
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,100
of a lot more weight than just 
throwing out some random study. 

1482
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:06,800
That's been cherry-picked to 
support an argument. 

1483
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,400
I feel like what you've been 
able to implement and Dated a 

1484
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,400
life like that, that's what you 
can relate with, that's what you

1485
01:21:13,407 --> 01:21:17,100
can become, you know, you know, 
passionate about and share with 

1486
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:18,300
others. 
I feel like that. 

1487
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:21,100
I mean you're a neurosurgeon you
get the highest accolades, a 

1488
01:21:21,108 --> 01:21:24,100
big, but people listen to you 
for what you've personally 

1489
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:26,200
experienced and what you've 
personally seen yourself. 

1490
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,600
I feel like that. 
And that's the Pinnacle in my 

1491
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,500
opinion. 
Your why? 

1492
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:36,200
Yeah, I think that, you know, 
you can you can be thrown off by

1493
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,700
studies and you can look at data
and studies are great. 

1494
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:41,500
And if they're done well, Well, 
and they can provide a lot of 

1495
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:45,500
information and sort of sift 
through a lot of background 

1496
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:48,600
noise, and you're trying to sort
of, especially if you're able to

1497
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,500
control things really well. 
You know, it, they're they're 

1498
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,300
great for that, but it really 
does just come down to what 

1499
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:59,400
happens in the real world. 
And, you know, we have all these

1500
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,400
studies and all these, your 
brilliant. 

1501
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,600
Professors saying that you've 
baton meet. 

1502
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,300
We're going to kill you and it 
turns out that they were corrupt

1503
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:08,100
and bought and paid for by the 
sugar company. 

1504
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:09,900
So you have to contend with that
as well. 

1505
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:13,600
Contend with, you know, that 
that scientists are people. 

1506
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,200
Some people are assholes and and
they're going to be corrupt and 

1507
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,900
and corruptible. 
And so you have to, you know, 

1508
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:23,400
you have to take everything with
a grain of salt and you really 

1509
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,900
have to just temper it with what
is your real world experience? 

1510
01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:28,300
What is your real life 
experience? 

1511
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:31,400
And if you're, if you're doing 
what they tell you to do and you

1512
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,200
feel like crap and your health 
is going to crap, then obviously

1513
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:37,900
there's something wrong there 
and if someone else is say, well

1514
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:40,800
actually you should do this 
thing and that AIDS benefit. 

1515
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,400
Well, it doesn't really matter 
what the mechanisms are. 

1516
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,600
What matters is that? 
You're getting benefit? 

1517
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,900
And that your life is improving.
Bingo. 

1518
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,100
Could not agree more. 
Could not agree more. 

1519
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,500
Well on that note, man, I'm not 
gonna lie, I'm gonna go home, 

1520
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:55,500
I'm gonna Grill me a big old 
fatty ribeye steak. 

1521
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:58,400
I'm gonna enjoy every single 
bite of it and I'm going to feel

1522
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,200
good about it. 
Awesome. 

1523
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,500
I hope you do, I'm sure you 
will. 

1524
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,800
I will? 
Where did that more about you 

1525
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:08,100
man? 
Yeah so you know I'm large on 

1526
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:12,900
YouTube channel, they're just 
ants Chaffee MD is my channel. 

1527
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:16,500
I have a podcast just called the
plant free Andy and that's on 

1528
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,100
your Apple or Spotify Google, 
although all the rest and then 

1529
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Instagram, I'm probably most 
active on Instagram as well of 

1530
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,100
the social media platforms. 
And that again is just Anthony 

1531
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:29,700
Chaffee MD. 
Awesome, I will certainly linked

1532
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:31,900
out to all of those. 
Make it easy for people to find 

1533
01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:33,800
you. 
And again, manager wanted to 

1534
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,800
congratulate you for being 
consistent. 

1535
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,800
I mean, I've had a lot of people
in the podcast. 

1536
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,700
I've listened to a lot of people
Those approaches to nutrition. 

1537
01:23:41,700 --> 01:23:47,200
And for me, it just it resonates
so much more when I see people 

1538
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,000
that are doing, you know, some 
pretty much the same thing 

1539
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,200
they've been doing for years 
because it's worked, they've 

1540
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,200
tried everything else, they know
what works for them. 

1541
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,400
They've been consistent their 
messaging and I feel like that 

1542
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,300
carries so much more weight than
the people that, you know, just 

1543
01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:01,400
flip flop and go to the next the
next thing. 

1544
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,700
So seeing that you've been 
consistent for, as long as you 

1545
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:06,100
have carries a hell of a lot 
more weight, in my opinion. 

1546
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:08,400
So, just keep doing what you're 
doing and preaching the message 

1547
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:09,900
Man. 
Well thanks man. 

1548
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:11,000
Appreciate it. 
You too. 

1549
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,400
You bet take care. 
Keep in touch and have it going 

1550
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:13,700
brother.