1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,760 Well, hello ladies and gents. Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 2 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:05,280 Today I've got special guest Kaylee Herring on the line. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,039 She is a West Point graduate in the Army. 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,680 She is a Harvard Medical student, and she is going to be 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,560 running her first ultra marathon with a ketogenic low carb 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,960 approach in just a few weeks. So I wanted to bring her on the 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,880 podcast to talk about that, dive into her fueling strategy, talk 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,920 about her motivations for going through the Army, going into Med 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,120 school, what she's planning on doing that with that going 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,440 forward and just learn a little bit more about her. 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,720 She's doing some awesome things. I've got no doubt that you will 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,720 take something from this. So that further delay sit back 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,960 real nice to the conversation with Kaylee. 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,280 We are live. Kaylee, how are you? 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,760 I'm doing well. How are you? 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,280 I'm doing wonderfully well. So we got in contact through 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,040 Nick. Y'all both Harvard Med students, 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,560 correct? Yes, Nick's a good friend and 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,760 classmate of mine, so it was really a pleasure that he was 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,640 able to connect us. Awesome, awesome. 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,880 He's been. He's been blowing up on social 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,040 media. Right now he's doing all kinds 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,720 of kind of provocative experience. 24 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,840 Yo, yes, Nick always has something up his sleeve. 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,760 I I enjoy watching all the things that he accomplishes and 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,960 I'm always waiting to see what he's got got next. 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,960 Always something. You get quite a few things up 28 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,960 your sleeve too though. You got a ultra marathon coming 29 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:28,160 up this month, correct? I do in two weeks. 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Actually the countdown, it's we're almost at the taper phase. 31 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Nice, nice. Well, give me some some 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,520 background on that. What? 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,480 What got you an ultra running? Well, this will actually be my 34 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,000 first ultra marathon, which I'm super excited. 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,960 But I guess kind of stepping back, I first started getting 36 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,080 more into running in medical school. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,400 I ran my first marathon, let's see, September of 2021. 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:58,200 I just finished up a lot of my clerkship rotations and I really 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,000 found some clarity and peace and training for hard things. 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,080 I've always played sports growing up, played rugby in 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,840 college, so it's just a natural transition for me I guess to 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,080 start running marathons. And the ultra was a little bit 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,760 more spontaneous. I've been following a lot of 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,720 just ultra athletes that I look up to and I'm like, well, you 45 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,320 know, I've got to give this a try. 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,120 So then all of a sudden I had an ultra on my calendar for July. 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,240 So I'm just super excited about that. 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,840 It's kind of just been a new thing for me in the past year 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,600 and a half, so. I love it. 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,800 I love it. So when it comes to to fueling 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,320 for these ultras, you're you're going about it from a totally 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,720 fat adapted approach. That's that's the goal, right? 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Absolutely. And I think that was something 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,240 that's I was a little bit nervous about at first. 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,520 I mean, I've, I've never eaten truly ketogenic and that's more 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:01,760 so from a lifestyle perspective. I guess it's it was hard for me 57 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,360 is in college not having a kitchen where I lived, I lived 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,120 in the dorm all four years and in medical school. 59 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,440 It's expensive just eating in general and it's you have to be 60 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720 very flexible. So I've never been able to truly 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,920 go keto until I guess now it's been about half a year. 62 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:27,000 And I guess, I mean, I don't have to tell you, I feel, I feel 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,800 amazing. And I didn't know how that was 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,760 going to translate into some of these longer endurance events. 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,440 But it's been great. And I feel like it's actually 66 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,440 given me an advantage in that I'm not coming across a lot of 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,840 the GI issues I see a lot of other runners encounter. 68 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,480 My energy is phenomenal. And in terms of fueling for this 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,120 ultra, it's been, it's been pretty easy. 70 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:55,640 I've been not having to require gels every 30 minutes or 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,160 anything like that. So I've I've just been really 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,200 loving it and it's really cool to see how an unconventional 73 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,960 approach can benefit by me personally so much of my 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,320 training. So I'm just excited to see how 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,560 it continues to help me as I keep progressing and hopefully 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,480 keep getting better and better. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm super 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,959 excited. So the marathon that you did, 78 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,399 I'm assuming that was more of a conventional fueling strategy. 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,320 Yeah, it was more conventional for sure. 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,480 I would definitely was not targeting a fat adapted state 81 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,200 per SE. It, it ended up being a very, 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,600 very big learning experience, we'll call it. 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,960 I think the only thing I ate during the entire, the entire 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,320 race, mind you, not in a fat adapted state was a couple of 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,520 fruit snacks. So I definitely paid for that 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,200 one. And the end of mild 20/18/20 I, 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,120 I hit a really big wall and I was like, OK, something needs to 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,480 change. I'm, I'm, I don't like to eat 89 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,680 really well. I run. 90 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,720 I prefer to just focus on the activity I'm doing and not have 91 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,760 to worry so much about trying to temper my energy based on what 92 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,200 I'm able to take in. And keto was just the perfect 93 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,640 solution to that. And I've run, I've run a 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,200 marathon since then and had a completely different experience. 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,680 So I was. I'm obviously doing something 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,160 right. No, for sure. 97 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,040 I, I, I am not a runner by any means. 98 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,720 I've done a marathon, I've done a few 50 mile marches. 99 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,240 I did like that David Goggins 4 by 4 by 48 ordeal. 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,560 So I've done a few endurance things, but I've never, I've 101 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,600 always done, you know, from a fat adapted standpoint, it's 102 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 like I've never tried to eat intra run. 103 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,800 But I would imagine that would just cause a whole host of GI 104 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,600 issues and just like distractions, like if I'm 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,760 running a marathon, especially like I feel like if you fuel 106 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,800 properly beforehand and you're, you know, on top of your 107 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,160 electrolytes and your hydration that there should be really no 108 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,760 need to eat during a marathon distance running. 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Absolutely. And I mean that's one thing 110 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,480 that's so fascinating about the marathon is as you go for faster 111 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,360 and faster goal times, the margin of error is so much 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,080 lower. So if you can eliminate a lot of 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,480 those variables like the GI distress or all the different 114 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,400 gels and like you said, just be on top of your electrolyte 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,840 intake and really come at it from a fat adapted approach, you 116 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:21,280 won't you won't need to take anything in during the race. 117 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,280 And that's exactly what I experienced and didn't hit the 118 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,760 bunk as you might have might hear in some like running 119 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,080 communities. So that was definitely made the 120 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,360 marathon more fun and definitely makes me excited to try this 121 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:36,760 ultra. No, totally. 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,120 I I never bonked either. My issue was always just my 123 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,880 feet. Like I don't since I don't run 124 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,720 really. My feet were not conditioned for 125 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,160 the pounding that they took. Like from an energy standpoint, 126 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,040 from a fueling standpoint, I never felt a lack of energy 127 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,960 there. But man, my feet were just 128 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,440 destroyed. No, I, I totally feel that. 129 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,440 I think the time on feet is something that's gonna be the 130 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,280 biggest unknown for me going into this race 'cause I did a 131 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:04,240 practice 50K this week and endurance wise, feeling great, 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,320 fueling great energy was great. But my feet, like you said, I 133 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,560 was like Wolf, I've got to do another basically another 50K on 134 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,840 top of that. So it's, it's gonna be fun for 135 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,160 sure. I'm excited to see where I can 136 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,920 go in terms of the mental, the mental battles I'm going to be 137 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,800 facing. What do you do to prepare your 138 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,560 your body for something like that? 139 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,800 I mean, I guess with time on feet, it's just simply a matter 140 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,200 of getting more time on your feet. 141 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,520 That's pretty much the only thing you can do. 142 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Absolutely. I mean, it's tough to log as 143 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,760 many miles as I would as I think I would want. 144 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,720 But having never ran one of these before, I don't actually 145 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,680 know where my optimal mileage is at. 146 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,640 But being in the hospital certainly helps. 147 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,680 I'm on my feet all day living in Boston. 148 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,320 I walk pretty much everywhere. So that's helpful from just a 149 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,440 day-to-day perspective. But in terms of the actual 150 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,920 training side, I've been focusing on just becoming 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,120 comfortable in the long runs and just quieting my mind and 152 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,880 staying patient in just the slow, the slow burn essentially. 153 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,880 And that's allowed me to build a lot of a lot of strength and 154 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,120 hopefully that'll that'll be enough to get me through get me 155 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,840 through this event. I like it. 156 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,920 I like it. I'm always curious. 157 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Like how people, like I said, I'm not a runner, but I've, I've 158 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,559 dove into running as a sport and technique enough to be 159 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,840 dangerous, so to speak. And others like multiple 160 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,760 different styles of running, different modalities for 161 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,000 running, like the pose method, things of that nature. 162 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Do you subscribe to a certain mentality when it comes to how 163 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:53,080 you how you structure your running form, or is it pretty 164 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,240 much just one foot in front of the other? 165 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,600 I think, I think somewhere in between. 166 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,000 I think while I'm running, I try not to overthink my stride per 167 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,960 SE. I've I've studied some of the 168 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,640 different different tips, text techniques for running, read 169 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,320 popular books, born to run and things of that nature. 170 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 But what I've really found that works for me, especially someone 171 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,400 I've had a couple of ACL reconstruction. 172 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:26,400 So taking care of my knees and hips have been very high 173 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,840 priority for me, especially as my mileage gets higher. 174 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,920 So I think one thing in terms of running form that I found really 175 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,120 helpful is just to find a stride that feels comfortable for me. 176 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,360 And by staying in that comfortable zone and you kind of 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,200 feel when you're getting out, I'm sure like for you, if a lift 178 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,880 doesn't feel quite right, you know, you kind of know you need 179 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,320 to adjust. And I just try to make those 180 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,600 micro adjustments as I'm going. And I think just with my overall 181 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,960 fitness, my running, my running form has improved and I just 182 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:06,040 feel better after runs that previously wouldn't have been 183 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,160 the case. Yeah, no, it makes total sense. 184 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,760 What kind of What kind of shoes do you use? 185 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,720 I recently switched. I've really been loving the 186 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Saucony Endorphin elites right now. 187 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Those have been those have been nice. 188 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,680 I don't I'm not going to wear a carbon plated shoe for the this 189 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:25,760 ultra marathon. I think it's a little bit too 190 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,040 long, so I'll just be in my Saucony trainers, but I found 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,520 that they've they've really held up well in the past. 192 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,360 I've I really liked Tokas but since switching to Saucony I 193 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,040 don't think I'll be going back until I find till I find 194 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,840 something better. I've I've seen the Saucony, I've 195 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,160 never tried those. I have tried the Hocus. 196 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,000 So is, is that like a super? Is there is there much of A an 197 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,640 arch support or drop in that you know shoe or or is it pretty 198 00:10:56,680 --> 00:11:01,520 well zero drop? They have both brands have 199 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,040 different different styles in terms of the arch support and 200 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,840 the drop. And I think the differentiating 201 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,640 factor more so for me is when I put on a sockony shoe, it just 202 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,560 you can feel the quality of like I almost want to say plush of 203 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,880 the cushion, but it's not it's not too soft versus when I put 204 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:27,760 on a hookah, it feels more, I don't want to say less high 205 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,120 quality, but I'd say less soft and comfortable on my foot. 206 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,560 So I think it's just if you try on a Saucony and then maybe, 207 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,480 maybe you'll be able to see what I mean. 208 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,560 But I think and then in terms of how they hold up, the Saucony 209 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,400 has been taking the wear and tear a lot better than my Hocus 210 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,680 have. So must be something different 211 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,440 in the materials they're using. Yeah, no, it makes total sense. 212 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,720 So I've tried transition all of my footwear. 213 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,520 Like I've literally gotten rid of everything that I own that is 214 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,760 not a zero drop wide toe box shoe. 215 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,240 So I could try and let my foot be more a natural foot. 216 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,200 It's taken a little bit of getting used to for sure. 217 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,520 But I enjoy it. I think it's good. 218 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,880 I think it's good for my feet. But it it does take a transition 219 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,800 period for sure. Yeah. 220 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,040 So talk to me a little bit about about the race itself. 221 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,560 So it's in two weeks. What's the distance on this one? 222 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,360 So there's an ultra I guess starting out is any technically 223 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,000 anything longer than a marathon and the courses are designed 224 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,960 either by distance or time. So this is a time based course 225 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,840 and it's going to be at a a small little campground in New 226 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,000 York State and you can either do the 12 hour or the 24 hour event 227 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,160 and it's a one mile loop and essentially you have either 12 228 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,520 or 24 hours to complete as many laps as you can. 229 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,920 Nice. And what what did you out for 230 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,200 the 12 hour? 24 hour. 231 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,880 My husband convinced me to go for the 12 hour for my first 232 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,640 one. I've definitely had my name on 233 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,280 the sign up for the 24, but I'm going to start with the 12. 234 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,160 Especially since what I'm really gearing up for is a marathon in 235 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,320 October. So I don't want to overstretch 236 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,400 here with the first altar. Just kind of getting my feet wet 237 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,280 and seeing, seeing where I want to go from there. 238 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,360 Do you have like a a predicted distance for that duration that 239 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,440 you're striving for? I think my goal is to be over 65 240 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,760 miles. If I could get over 65 in 12 241 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,200 hours, I'd be super happy with that. 242 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,240 So that's the goal. And with that being a single 243 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,440 mile loop, like you can, I'm assuming like you can, you know, 244 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,960 walk to the center, take a break, just do whatever you need 245 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,560 to do. It's just as long as you're 246 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:48,960 running that entire 12 miles or as long as like you track your, 247 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,200 your distance over the 12 mile span, you can pretty much do 248 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,640 whatever you want to to recover, refuel, etcetera, etcetera. 249 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,640 Yeah, exactly. And that was one of the 250 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,280 attractive things for starting out with this is my first ultra 251 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,120 because one of the biggest challenges within the sport of 252 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,360 ultra running is navigating aid stations and making sure you're 253 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,920 properly packed and ready for treacherous terrain if you're 254 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,320 doing a mountain course. Whereas this one, I know I'll 255 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,320 always be within less than a mile to the aid station. 256 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,280 So my husband is very generously offered to crew me. 257 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,000 So he will be there at the main start finish line with any 258 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,360 electrolytes or fueling that I'll need. 259 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,680 And there's like a bathroom stop there as well. 260 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,920 So for me not having done one of these before that, that was 261 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,040 really comforting to know that even if I mess up, I, if I can 262 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,400 run the rest of the mile, I can get to whatever resource I may 263 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,200 need at that time and kind of correct it. 264 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,880 So people when I tell them about this course, they're like, Oh my 265 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,960 goodness, you're going to run a mile in a circle. 266 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,240 How are you? I would never want to do that. 267 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,160 How would you ever want to? And I was like, well, I mean, I 268 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,360 think it's great. And and while you're running, I 269 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,000 just kind of lose. I lose track of things and can 270 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,400 really just go in my own head and the world gets quiet. 271 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,920 So whether that's a one mile loop or a point to point course, 272 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,800 but yeah, I'm really excited for this format of race. 273 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,760 And I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be really 274 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,200 great. And the the extra twist is that 275 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,480 it's a candlelight ultra, so it will start at 7:00 PM and then 276 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,520 go through the night. So I'll be running most of it in 277 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,680 the complete dark. Interesting. 278 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,080 OK, so I was going to ask you about that. 279 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,000 So I've got, I don't know if you're familiar with Mike 280 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,600 McKnight, but he's one of my good friends and he does all 281 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,200 kinds of crazy ultras. He does like the coca Dona 250 282 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,880 and and just all this, not like just insane stuff. 283 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,360 And a lot of the challenge there is, you know, figuring out sleep 284 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,840 during a multi day event through mountains, through different 285 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,160 time changes, all that good stuff. 286 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,040 So with you doing this at night, how are you going to structure? 287 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Like, how are you like, what's what's the play my play for your 288 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,440 fueling strategy, your sleep recuperation? 289 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Like, what do you think you're going to do going into it? 290 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,360 Yeah, absolutely. I mean those two hundreds, those 291 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,120 are those are a whole different beast. 292 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,640 Thankfully for me, I won't, I won't have to worry about 293 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,600 sleeping per se during the 12 hours. 294 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,840 Even if I did the 24 option. I think unless I was really 295 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,680 needing it, I wouldn't plan for sleep. 296 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,040 I guess that's one advantage of being a medical student is used 297 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,360 to kind of work in night shift and crazy schedules like that. 298 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,600 So in terms of sleep, I don't, I don't plan to sleep. 299 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,880 I think I'll have some caffeine on standby if I start to hit a 300 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 low kind of in the middle of the night and I think that'll be 301 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,480 helpful. But I feel I feel pretty 302 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,760 prepared from that standpoint. You can try to sleep a lot more 303 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,320 the prior day. What was that? 304 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,360 You're just going to sleep a lot more the prior night. 305 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,560 I'll try but my body is very regulated on sleep. 306 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,760 I imagine I'll get up at my normal 5:36 AM and not have not 307 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,960 be able to go back to sleep. So I might just have to take the 308 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,720 L on sleep for that one night. I guess one one night won't kill 309 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,880 you. One night won't kill you. 310 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,680 Exactly what? About what? 311 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,000 About fueling? What are? 312 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,760 You going to do there? Yeah, that is both a strategy 313 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,000 and what I'd call a game time decision. 314 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,480 I have a couple of foods plan that I know work well for me. 315 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,640 And honestly they're not that different than what I would kind 316 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:43,480 of be eating day-to-day. I don't plan to eat that much 317 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,880 per SE. I don't have a calorie goal. 318 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,200 I really go off of feel and that's what I've been doing for 319 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,320 my long runs and that's really worked for me. 320 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,600 I think the biggest thing for me is going to be staying on top of 321 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,120 my electrolytes because that's something I've noticed as I've 322 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:03,040 gone, as I've gone low carb and keto, that if I'm not on top of 323 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,680 that, I can start feeling very poor very quickly. 324 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,920 So I'll definitely have, I really like the chewable salt 325 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,880 tablets. I'll have plenty of those on 326 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,960 hand. I have low carb electrolyte 327 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,640 packets which are also really great and I'll keep them in a 328 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,680 vest, so I'll be sipping on that as well. 329 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:28,400 And then in terms of pre race, I'll probably just eat how I 330 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,840 normally would throughout the day. 331 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,320 I'm very animal based, ketogenic diet, lots of red meat, animal 332 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,320 fats, butter, things of that nature. 333 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,240 And then during the race, there's a couple, there's a 334 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,440 couple things I anticipate I want, I'm having my husband cook 335 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,880 up some bacon. So I'll be very excited for 336 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,520 that. Keto bricks, of course, I love, 337 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,720 I love the keto bricks during and after my long runs. 338 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,560 Actually after the marathon, the first thing I asked for, I was 339 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,040 like, where's my keto brick? It's in my, it's in my bag 340 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,440 somewhere. So that'll be on the table as 341 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:10,080 well. And then still still got to see 342 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,800 what other things I can really pack some calories in. 343 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,560 But I mean, in my experience, I haven't really required that 344 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,560 much calories. I mean, obviously more will be 345 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,320 better to have on hand, but I'm really going to let how my 346 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,960 stomach is feeling and how I'm feeling overall throughout the 347 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,840 race dictate kind of what I'm taking in and out. 348 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,400 Yeah, now that makes total sense. 349 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,600 I feel like a lot of people have this notion of what they're 350 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,800 supposed to be consuming and it's often times so far removed 351 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,120 from what their norm is that they're that they're going to 352 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,200 inevitably have some GI issues. Like I think like I, I don't 353 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,960 know what the traditional format is, except for you hear about 354 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,560 people carving up, you know, it just significantly the night 355 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,240 prior with pasta or something like that. 356 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,360 And I would imagine that would be disastrous the next day 357 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:03,280 during a long endurance event. Yes, I certainly would not would 358 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,920 not want to have to run this out on a full stomach of pasta that 359 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,880 is. That is for sure. 360 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Yeah, not good. What what is the the norm when 361 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,760 it comes to people that are using a carbohydrate based 362 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,560 approach when they're using those goose? 363 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,520 Like, I don't even know what's in that. 364 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,440 Is it just like straight sucrose or what? 365 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,000 What is in that stuff? I'm, I'm not exactly sure 366 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,920 honestly. I know it's a combination of 367 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,040 multiple different sugars and I hear a lot of other runners talk 368 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,880 about just pallet fatigue and then by like hour 3 they're not 369 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,800 even able to get down gels. And to me that sounds absolutely 370 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,120 miserable. I don't know if you've ever 371 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,360 tried one of those gels, but they're gooey and they're super 372 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,680 sweet. And I am not, I am not a sweet 373 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,960 person at baseline. I definitely prefer more savory 374 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,440 salty things. So it's hard enough for me to 375 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,400 even eat one while I'm not running, let alone in the middle 376 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,840 of mile 40 trying to force down a gel. 377 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,440 I can't even imagine. So I think from what I've seen, 378 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:09,040 that's the gels are what the high carb approach really 379 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,040 typically relies on, especially as it's harder and harder to get 380 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,800 down. Like no one's going to be eating 381 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,720 a bowl of pasta. Well, maybe during during the 382 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,800 race itself, but yeah, I'm glad that's not something I really 383 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,760 even have to think about. Yeah, I think like chowing out 384 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,280 on some bacon mid run sounds much more appealing. 385 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Sounds delicious. Sounds like enough motivation 386 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,000 for me to keep going in that mild loop. 387 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Yeah, absolutely. So, So what are you doing with 388 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,800 the medical school is what's, what's your, what's your career 389 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,720 path there? Yeah, I'm on the back half, 390 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,280 which is really crazy to say. It's been, it's been fast and 391 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,960 slow. I'm entering my 4th year of 392 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,840 medical school and basically just doing a couple of rotations 393 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,600 now and finishing up some coursework to see where I'll 394 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,640 ultimately go to residency next year. 395 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:04,320 So pretty excited about that. It's been, it's been long, hard, 396 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,400 good, bad it's but I'm really excited to start a new chapter 397 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,760 of life and start my actual medical practice. 398 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,040 That's awesome. Do you have any ideas to, I know 399 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,000 a lot of people wind up figuring out their actual, you know, 400 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,400 focus once they're in residency, but do you have any idea kind of 401 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,840 where you're leaning? Yeah, So I'll be applying to 402 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,280 radiology residency. I just love the diagnostic 403 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,800 puzzle that reading all the different images kind of brings 404 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,840 on. And with almost every diagnosis 405 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,080 now in medicine, relying on almost any patient that comes to 406 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,520 the hospital gets an imaging study. 407 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,960 So I really like the idea of being that doctor that gets to 408 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,480 touch all different kinds of patients and really influence 409 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,680 their care. So that's kind of what drew me 410 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,120 to radiology and but in terms of long term, I'm not exactly sure 411 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,120 where that'll take me in my career, but I think that's 412 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,040 something I'm definitely going to figure out once I start 413 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,640 practicing. Nice, nice. 414 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520 And you're in the Army too, is that right? 415 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,400 I am, yes. I graduated from West Point 416 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,920 before coming to Harvard, so I am on the Army Medical School 417 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,240 scholarship program essentially, and I will be entering residency 418 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,720 as a military officer. Gotcha. 419 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,880 What was the the motivation behind going the route of the 420 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,440 military medical school? What was the the motivation 421 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,000 about any of that? Like, is that something you just 422 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,440 knew that you wanted to do from early age? 423 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Medical school was definitely something I knew I wanted to do 424 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,480 from an early age. And then when I kind of got to 425 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,440 the process of figuring out how I can make that happen, I really 426 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,000 found a fit in the military and the service academies 427 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,920 specifically. There's one for Air Force, Navy 428 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,880 and Army. And when I kind of visited all 429 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,440 three of those academies and ended up applying, I ended up 430 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,480 choosing Army because I felt like that's where I best fit in. 431 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,720 And I really liked their medical program. 432 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,520 And I knew I had the chance to speak with other Army physicians 433 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,800 who had kind of gone through medical school through that 434 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,800 route, and I thought that would be a great fit for me. 435 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,040 And yeah, here I am. Awesome, awesome. 436 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,000 What's been the biggest headache or hurdle or obstacle in going 437 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,960 that path? Like, has there been, like, just 438 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,680 moments where you've been hitting your head against the 439 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,760 wall seemingly and asking yourself why in the world you're 440 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,600 doing this? Yeah, I, me and my friends often 441 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,880 joke that I, I kind of took the hard way to medical school. 442 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,840 The The Academy Is very great, but very different from any 443 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,920 other sort of traditional university. 444 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,840 So I had a lot of focus on military tactics and leadership, 445 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,960 obviously, which didn't leave as much time as I otherwise 446 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,960 probably would have to pursue my medical studies. 447 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,560 So I learned early on how to really prioritize scheduling and 448 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,520 optimizing my time, which I think has served me really well 449 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,520 in medical school, which was another complete transition and 450 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040 something completely different than what I experienced at the 451 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,640 Academy, but a whole new set of challenges and just amazing 452 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,680 other people to work with. So I really feel like I've 453 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,200 gotten a full breadth of experience throughout my 454 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,560 training, and I'm excited to go back into the military and bring 455 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,160 back what I've learned from getting to study in a place like 456 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,880 Boston, and then bringing that back to the soldiers and 457 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,720 military families that I'll be serving. 458 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,720 So I think I've gotten a lot out of it. 459 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,760 I definitely could have done it in an easier way, but I can't 460 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,960 imagine the person I would be without I'm going through all 461 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200 the steps of that journey. That's awesome. 462 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,320 So you plan on staying with the military then post Harvard 463 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,480 graduation? Yes, I'll be with the military 464 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,880 for at least the next couple years. 465 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,160 I do owe some time a service obligation from the Academy and 466 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560 then also from medical school. Nice. 467 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,560 Very cool. Very cool. 468 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760 You haven't got to. All of my friends are in one 469 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,720 branch of the military or another, and most of them are in 470 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,880 the Army. So that's that's pretty awesome 471 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,680 that you're doing that. And then also simultaneously 472 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,080 going through Harvard Med school. 473 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,480 I feel like you are the quintessential example of 474 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,000 someone that does not know how to sleep. 475 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,680 I never get sleep. I try, I try my best to sleep. 476 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,120 I will say I've gotten a lot more sleep since coming to 477 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,960 medical school. I feel like I have a lot more 478 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,920 time there than I did at West Point. 479 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,360 But still still working on the sleep thing. 480 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,080 If there's one thing in my training that could be improved, 481 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,560 it's probably done. Yeah, and that's definitely why 482 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,840 I fall short as well. So when it comes to to medical 483 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,720 school, and I guess not Harvard specific, but just medical 484 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,720 medical school in general, I feel like the ketogenic diet is, 485 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,440 I mean, there's a bunch of studies being done in regards 486 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,400 to, you know, fat metabolism, ketosis, things of that nature. 487 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,240 But I feel like as a whole, that's still relatively 488 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,920 countercultural to mainstream thinking, which is probably one 489 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,200 of the reasons why all of Nick's posts are gaining such 490 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520 popularity relatively soon, relatively quickly. 491 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,960 Because they kind of he he doesn't pretty cheeky stuff like 492 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,320 he'll do like the, you know, Oreo cookies, beats statin, you 493 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,680 know, comparison things of that nature. 494 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,760 But with you being in medical school and also following a 495 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,440 ketogenic diet, have you gotten much pushback or has has there 496 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,920 not been an issue there? I would say I've gotten much 497 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,480 pushback. Often my peers are just 498 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,840 interested because it's really, I wouldn't even say it's 499 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,600 counterculture. It's something that's just 500 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,440 almost not even addressed within our curriculum, which was kind 501 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,400 of surprising to me. So really all of the pushback 502 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,480 I've seen is actually more in the social media space and 503 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480 seeing, like you said, some of those, the discussions on forums 504 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,200 of those different studies coming out. 505 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,120 But in terms of my medical education, I don't think there 506 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:07,000 was ever a point where we formally broke down the benefits 507 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,480 of the ketogenic diet versus more traditional medicinal 508 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,640 approaches. And it's certainly not something 509 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,800 that I see implemented regularly in the hospital setting in terms 510 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,520 of a holistic approach to patient care. 511 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:28,040 So I guess does that, does that answer your question? 512 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,320 It's just it's something that I feel like I've really had to 513 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,600 seek out and really educate myself. 514 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,000 And I mean, Nick spent a huge part of that and kind of not now 515 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,960 my own experience actually living a ketogenic lifestyle, 516 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,880 but that's really how I've been learning about it. 517 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200 And that's really where most of my touch points come from. 518 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,600 It not from medical school, per Southeast. 519 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,160 So it's more so like an absence of information about it. 520 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Then there is like a, you know, a stance one way or the other 521 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120 against it or for it. Absolutely. 522 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,200 Gotcha. OK. 523 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,960 What was your motivation for pursuing that person? 524 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920 Like was there any ailments that you were having following a 525 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,560 traditional carbohydrate based protocol or what was your reason 526 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,920 for dabbling into keto? I think, well, what drew, I 527 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,640 don't know if there was any ailments specifically that drew 528 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,480 me to keto, but one thing for me in terms of nutrition, I've 529 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,480 always highly prioritized what I've put into my body and Whole 530 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,640 Foods, whether that was carbs or not. 531 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,160 But one thing, I guess I started keto just cause more. 532 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,280 So I was curious. I saw some of the benefits of us 533 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,760 having for patients. I'd seen some studies you'd 534 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160 mentioned and I was like, huh, wonder if I give that a try, if 535 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,920 I would actually feel different. And then once I was like, wow, I 536 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,840 actually had ailments, as you said that I actually initially 537 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,280 didn't even identify. I noticed my, my energy now is 538 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160 so much more Even so much more consistent. 539 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,880 I don't feel starving in between meals, I don't feel crashes 540 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,840 throughout the day. I wasn't running quite as much 541 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,200 before so I can't really speak to. 542 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,840 I certainly wasn't taking in gels or doing anything like that 543 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,280 while I was running, so I don't know how my gut would 544 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,280 necessarily respond to that. But since, as, as I've said 545 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000 multiple times since starting keto, I haven't experienced any 546 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,880 of that. So I'm glad I've kind of 547 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,440 bypassed ever having to. But yeah, I think the energy is 548 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,600 really what I've noticed that's been the most beneficial for me. 549 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,200 And it's certainly something that is compelling enough for me 550 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,920 to continue living this lifestyle because I find it very 551 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,280 sustainable and very fulfilling. Yeah, I would think from just a 552 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,320 practical use case scenario in and of itself, especially if 553 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,000 someone's got a busy, you know, day-to-day schedule, someone 554 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000 that's in medical school, someone that's not able to just, 555 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,840 you know, take a break whenever and get something to eat. 556 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520 Like simply been able to maintain a high degree of mental 557 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,560 focus and physical ability for significant periods of time 558 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,680 between meals. Like that alone I think gives it 559 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,600 a leg up on any other dietary protocol. 560 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,880 I mean, like for me when I'm out West hunting, for instance, like 561 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,160 I don't want to be able to packing a pack a bunch of food 562 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,720 with me and I might go 1012 hours between meals. 563 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,160 And that's relatively easy to do when you're fat adapted. 564 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,720 But if you're not, you've got to bring all these types of, you 565 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,560 know, MRE's or goose or just like additional weight in your 566 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,360 pack and you kind of stop all things before moving forward so 567 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,800 you can eat. And that's just not really 568 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,440 realistic if I'm trying to optimally perform it anything 569 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,000 that I'm doing. Absolutely, and that's what you 570 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240 described perfectly describes my experience. 571 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,240 Yeah, well, hopefully as you're doing this 12 hour ultra 572 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,320 marathon, people are seeing you just passing by, lapping them 573 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,200 with a bacon in one hand and keto working the other and start 574 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,240 asking questions and maybe bring some more awareness to this. 575 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,720 Yeah, absolutely. I think that'd be a pretty 576 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440 legendary photo of me running around with a couple pieces of 577 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,320 bacon in my hand. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 578 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,000 So that's in two weeks. What is the name of that event 579 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,120 again? It's called the Candlelight 580 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,520 Ultra Marathon. Nice, and where is that at? 581 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,480 It's in New York. I'm pretty. 582 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,320 The name of the town is escaping me, but it's about an hour away 583 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120 from where my husband's currently stationed at SO. 584 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Very cool. So that's in two weeks, you've 585 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,240 got medical school concluding, you're on the home stretch of it 586 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,720 now, but what is the date on that? 587 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,720 The date of graduation will be May 2025 S next spring. 588 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Nice, nice. So that is something we're 589 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,120 celebrating for sure. And then you're gonna go back to 590 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,400 the Army, and then you're gonna be a physician practicing 591 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,000 position within the Army pretty much right out of graduation of 592 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Harvard. Correct. 593 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,400 Very cool and with a focus on radiology, I love it. 594 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,480 Yep. Well, that sounds like an 595 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,040 exciting next few months. Next few years for sure. 596 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,160 I think anything like I'm always excited when I talk to people 597 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520 that are in medical school or practicing physicians that are, 598 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,400 you know, willing to adopt more of a low carb quote UN quote 599 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,480 ancestral base dietary protocol, because I think it just makes 600 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,440 the most sense. And if I that would probably, 601 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,480 you know, cure a lot of people have a lot of ailments. 602 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,080 So anytime I see somebody that's going the traditional route of 603 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,600 medicine pursuing that as a lifestyle, I'm, I'm 100% bought 604 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,000 in and on board. So I think it's great that 605 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 you're going into the medical space with this, you know, 606 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,880 background. Yeah, absolutely. 607 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,560 And I hope to bring kind of some of this this mindset and some of 608 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,320 the lessons I've been able to learn and hopefully apply that 609 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,720 to military medicine and maybe just how we approach fueling our 610 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,240 soldiers in general. Because like you said with with 611 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,080 hunting, I mean in combat, it's it's a similar situation. 612 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,200 You don't know when you're going to eat. 613 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,360 So we could definitely potentially benefit from a more 614 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,360 fat adapted approach in that regard. 615 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,639 Well, the, the nutrition for, for soldiers is totally abysmal. 616 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,080 Like it's honestly, it frustrates me because I've got, 617 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,800 like I said, several friends in different branches of the 618 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,600 military and like the food that they offer at the mess halls is 619 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,920 pretty, pretty rough. And then the MRE's, I mean, I'll 620 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,560 tell you how bad the MRE's are. They're they're not even food, 621 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,800 really. Oh my goodness, yes. 622 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,320 I thankfully didn't have to eat an MRE at my most recent 623 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,639 training block because I did have the keto brakes and that 624 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,880 was enough to get me through a lot of the field time we were 625 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,679 doing. So I'm very thankful for that. 626 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,440 But yeah, those MRE's are tough. You you look at some of the the 627 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440 Skittles and things of that nature that are in there and I'm 628 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,440 like, OK, I'm supposed to now have an optimal athletic 629 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,639 performance. Yeah. 630 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,480 And what's frustrating is, you know, I've had several people 631 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,760 that are either clients or friends or whatnot that have 632 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,560 reached out to me and they're trying to maintain a ketogenic 633 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,320 diets. But if they're out in the field 634 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,120 and they're only able to eat Mr. ES, like you couldn't really 635 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,040 even do it. Like you would have to just 636 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,600 fast. But I mean, you can only fast 637 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,680 for so long and still maintain some degree of performance. 638 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,440 So like they the military doesn't really even give people 639 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,400 that ability, from what I've gleaned at least. 640 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,160 No, I mean, that's spot on. We have vegetarian options in 641 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,280 the MRE, but I don't think there's enough low carb 642 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,800 components of those meals that you could even string together 643 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,160 one or two ketogenic friendly meals, which is, yeah, very 644 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,800 frustrating for someone who who's trying to maintain that 645 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160 lifestyle and feels good from that fuelling. 646 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,320 I did a there was there was. I forget what university it was, 647 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,880 but the the keto bricks were in a study for the military and 648 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480 they were comparing and they were trying to find like viable 649 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120 options for, you know, ready to eat meals for people in the 650 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,800 field. And they were comparing the 651 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,280 bricks to Clif bars for like a weighted ruck to kind of like 652 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,120 replicate what would be potentially, you know, exerted 653 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520 in the field. And the bricks beat out the the 654 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,080 Clif bars calories equated for. And I'm, I'm hopeful that like 655 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,440 enough momentum keeps gaining on stuff like this that, you know, 656 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920 people can find other options, whether it's the brick or 657 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,400 something else. Like I just want people that are 658 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,400 in the military to have better options. 659 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,880 Like I know Phillip, good friend of mine, the, the owner of 660 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,320 Carnivore bar, he was in the military and that was his 661 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,160 motivation for, for building the Carnivore bar. 662 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080 It's like when you're in the field and you're only have Mres 663 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,680 at your disposal, like you simply cannot perform optimally. 664 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,760 You're not going to be healthy. And if you're like, we got our 665 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,760 men and women out there, it's like you want the, the Creme de 666 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,880 la Creme nutrition for people that are on the front line. 667 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,920 And it's definitely not what you're finding an MRE. 668 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,360 Absolutely. And I hope somewhere within my 669 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,040 medical practice I can be a part of kind of pushing that change 670 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,600 forward because that's something I so strongly believed in. 671 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,720 And it's, it's really great to hear that the effort is there. 672 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,040 So it's it's good. Do you think it's like, is the 673 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,680 the military interested in pushing, you know, for, or is it 674 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,400 mostly just they're bound by financial constraints on what 675 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520 they have a budget for and the budget's not really going to be, 676 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,520 you know, prioritize towards soldier nutrition? 677 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,880 Like what is the bottleneck on that? 678 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,920 I think there's many constraints and many that I wouldn't even 679 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,720 necessarily think of, but I think ultimately it's going to 680 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,760 come down to getting this in front of the right people, in 681 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,360 front of the right decision makers. 682 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:40,440 And I think once, once they can understand the benefit and the 683 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,720 benefit it will have for the fighting force, it will be 684 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:48,040 something that can kind of push past a lot of constraints. 685 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,880 And I think, I think there's hope is what I'm trying to say. 686 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,560 I think it's going to be a slow process. 687 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Anything, anything in the military move slowly. 688 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,720 But I think we're going to have to adopt, we're going to have to 689 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000 change what we're doing because how we're fueling our soldiers 690 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,240 right now obviously isn't isn't optimal. 691 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,320 Yeah, totally. Well, it makes me all the more 692 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,200 excited for what it is that you're doing, the background 693 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,240 that you're bringing to the table, and then hope for the 694 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,080 lives will be able to change with that information. 695 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,480 So we need more people like you out there fighting the good 696 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,640 fight, Kimmy. Appreciate that. 697 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,880 Well I'm definitely excited for the Ultra in a few weeks. 698 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,800 You have to keep me posted on that for sure. 699 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680 Is there like, are you pretty active on social? 700 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,960 Can people follow along with how the run goes? 701 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,680 Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty active on Instagram. 702 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,320 You can follow me at Haley under score Fit and I'll be posting 703 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,840 all my race, all my race preparation is posted on there. 704 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,880 I'll be posting updates throughout the event and 705 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,560 certainly afterwards. So if people kind of want to 706 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,080 follow along, that would be the best place. 707 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,360 Awesome. Well, I will definitely link out 708 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,040 to that Kelly and make it easy people to find you and I, I 709 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,920 don't know what you're doing, how, how you're stashed on 710 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,440 Brexit doing, but I'm going to send you some more in 711 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520 preparation for that run so that you don't have to worry about 712 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,000 that. Oh that would be amazing. 713 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,680 Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. So I'll get you hooked up on 714 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,480 bricks. Hopefully your husband will have 715 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,440 you hooked up on bacon and you'll be just making some waves 716 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,960 out there and not bonking. Maybe I'll run the full 24 hours 717 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,600 with all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. 718 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:24,440 I mean, I guess if you run in 12 mile or 12 hours, if you opt to 719 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,760 keep running like with like, do you have to sign up for that in 720 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,680 advance or could you in theory just keep going? 721 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,240 I'm sure they would let me keep going, but I think in terms of 722 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,920 my actual timing chip, it would stop at the 12 hours. 723 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,320 Gotcha, gotcha. That's still a pretty, I mean 724 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,560 the farthest you've run up to this point is a marathon, right? 725 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,480 So, you know, going 65 miles is pretty significant jump from 726 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,760 that. Yeah, I mean, it'll, it'll be a 727 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,960 challenge for sure, but I guess I could have jumped to 100 728 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,920 miles. So I in my mind this is a 729 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,680 smaller step but. Hey now, I'm stoked for it. 730 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,280 I've got no doubt that you can, you can hit that goal. 731 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960 So definitely keep us posted, definitely post on social. 732 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,200 I'll make it easy for people to find you on Instagram. 733 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,320 And if there's everything you need from me, Kelly, you just 734 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,640 let me know. That, that sounds great. 735 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,880 It was a pleasure speaking with you. 736 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,880 Thanks for having me on. Hey, the pleasure is mine. 737 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,480 Thanks for what you do. Keep changing lives and keep in 738 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,920 touch. Absolutely. 739 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,840 Take care. Take care.