1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,600 Well hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes Keto, savage.com 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,240 and today I've got special guest Mark Ennis on the line. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,160 He is based out of Dublin, Ireland. 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,640 He's a carnivore coach. Just kind of wanted to bring on 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,160 the podcast, pick his brain as to what he's learned and working 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,000 with his client pool. He has had quite the journey 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,840 himself. He started out young and 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,800 struggled with a bunch of disorder eating tendencies. 9 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,240 He got overweight, then he went anorexic, lost a ton of weight 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,040 and then he bulked up again. And then he did his first 11 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,600 competition in bodybuilding last year. 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Fell in love with it. Has been doing Keto Carnivore 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,360 now for quite some time and is now teaching his client pool how 14 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,680 to incorporate that lifestyle eating habits into their own 15 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,200 life. And he's making a massive 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,400 difference in Dublin, Ireland. So I'm super stoked to have him 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,440 on the podcast excited for the conversation. 18 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,440 I've got no doubt that you will take something from it. 19 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,760 So that further delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the conversation 20 00:00:49,760 --> 00:01:01,560 with Mark and we are live. Mark. 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,520 How are you brother? I'm good man. 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,760 How are you? Thanks for taking my call. 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,000 Oh my pleasure, man. I'm excited to be chatting with 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:07,840 you. Where where are you located 25 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,200 from? Where's the accent coming from? 26 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,400 I'm from Ireland, Dublin. Dublin, Ireland. 27 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,960 You probably think I got an accent, don't you? 28 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,640 You have a great accent. I'd love to have an American 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,520 accent. I got that Southern draw going 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,440 for me so I like the Dublin Ireland accent too though, man. 31 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,880 Have you ever been? I have never been, my brother's 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,000 been, and I have every intention of going, but I have yet to be 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,560 there. Now you'll you'll you'll like it 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,240 over here. It's right. 35 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,080 It's very, very busy country. What's the what's the general 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,480 population like there as far as just health, fitness, Wellness 37 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,280 is concerned? Is that pretty big on the 38 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,280 priority list or is that kind of an afterthought there? 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,400 It's quite big, but I think we're, I think we're going 40 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,280 backwards. Going backwards. 41 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,440 Well, America's definitely going backwards, so. 42 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Yeah, I think we're, I think we're not too far behind. 43 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,760 When you look at the obesity problem now, I don't think we're 44 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,360 too far away from the Americans. I think Ireland is, I think 45 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,880 Ireland are literally quite behind you guys. 46 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 What about the like keto carnivore low carb space, Is 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,520 that a pretty big scene there or no? 48 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,360 No, it's not even. Nobody even mentions over here. 49 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:13,800 Like if you mentioned keto or carnivore over here, you're 50 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,520 you're you're probably, you've been told that you're going to 51 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,920 probably kill someone. That's that's how bad it is. 52 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,120 So you're trying to you're trying to explain to people over 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,880 here about the epic carnivore or keto, something like that. 54 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,320 They just look at you and they say that can't be done. 55 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,080 It's impossible, absolutely impossible. 56 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,800 And then when I mentioned that there's a few people that are 57 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,160 actually doing on the other side of the world and they're 58 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,040 they're, they're nourishing their, they've got unbelievable 59 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,240 transformations. They look at it and say, well, 60 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,160 that's not real. It's unfortunate man. 61 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Is the the quality of the food there like as a baseline pretty 62 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,000 decent though? I mean, is it like New Zealand 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,920 where you're getting grass finished meat kind of by default 64 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,440 or is it just a lot of processed food? 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,880 Oh no, we have, we have our aisles, we have all Irish based 66 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,200 meats, but nobody pretty much goes near them. 67 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,600 I think for I think for a lot of people over here, because the 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,760 cost of living is so high, they usually go for the cheap 69 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,120 sources. So anything that's processed or 70 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,120 they anything that's really, really cheap, that's what they 71 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,400 usually go after. I mean it's it's so bad at the 72 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,520 moment that we're looking at obesity kids at the moment that 73 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,680 are walking around six years of age and they're probably 74 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,920 weighing just as much as their age. 75 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Oh, I hate that man. I hate that. 76 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Well, what got you into the kido carnivore space anyways? 77 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,800 I mean, you're not seeing it there in your hometown. 78 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,080 So what gets you down that trajectory? 79 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,880 So I kind of fell into it by accident to be honest. 80 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,720 So it started off when I was younger. 81 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,960 I got, I was always a pretty much a fat kid when I was 82 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,600 younger and I was really, really overweight. 83 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,920 I was I was always the child that was always left out. 84 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,120 So even when sports I would always be picked last because my 85 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,000 way I would always be bullied in in in school about my way and 86 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,360 and it just got to a stage where I got really, really, really 87 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,080 upset about it and I wanted to do something about it and this 88 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,920 was around a sable 8 or 10 years of age. 89 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,519 So it's no it's no age for a child to go through that kind of 90 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,160 that kind of trauma in your life. 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,880 But anyway, I went through it and it got so bad that I had to 92 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,720 do something about it. And at that stage I couldn't go. 93 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,920 I couldn't join a gym. So I took it to the extreme. 94 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,960 I start exercise and I Start learning about different kind of 95 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,080 exercise. I start in my room. 96 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,080 I did press UPS at the crunches. I did. 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,640 I ran every single day to the point where I took it to the 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,320 extreme. My food kept on going down and 99 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,640 down and down because I had to stay. 100 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,720 At that time I thought it was just about all about calories. 101 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Just focus on dropping your calories no matter how what food 102 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,280 you're eating. Just drop your your food down 103 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:58,840 and then you'll end up losing weight. 104 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,680 So I dropped it down and I remember it that we went on for 105 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,960 at least two years. My parents hadn't got a clue 106 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,080 what was going on so I dropped my weight down to around. 107 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,920 I don't know what it is in pounds, but it's around 4 stone 108 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,640 and and I think that was around maybe 48, maybe 50 lbs at a 109 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,480 time. And I was quite thin, really, 110 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,840 really thin. At a point where I had no more 111 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:25,560 energy. I literally was walking around 112 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,400 on fumes, but I'd still, I'd still go outside and I'd still 113 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,480 run around but I just had no energy. 114 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,560 I bought. Every time I looked at myself in 115 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,520 the mirror I was like, OK, I need I still have more to go. 116 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,320 I can still grab a bit of fat here. 117 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,440 It's not good. I need to just keep on pushing 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,280 myself and pushing myself and push myself. 119 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,040 So again, that went on for about two or three years and what age? 120 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,040 Were you at that point? At the time, I would have been 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,240 around 10 and my parents wouldn't have found out until I 122 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,440 was around 13. So 4 stone? 123 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,240 I just converted it. 4 stone is 56 lbs. 124 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,280 So that's crazy light man. And. 125 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:04,560 And you said you were heavy before then. 126 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,520 Yeah, I would have been a heavy kid. 127 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,840 Now I was. I don't know how, how heavy I 128 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,320 was. You know yourself when you when 129 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,640 kids are younger, everybody says it's just it's just a puppy fat, 130 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,760 like they'll grow out of it. But for me, I grew up in a 131 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,480 family where we didn't have a lot of money and everything even 132 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,280 was just basically processed food, like pretty basic food. 133 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,720 And my mother and father didn't know any better. 134 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,680 They just were just basically feeding me every day. 135 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,720 But it just got, it got to the point where I was really, really 136 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,200 emotional. I gained a ton of weight. 137 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,360 I couldn't even walk up the stairs. 138 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,120 I was out of breath most of the time. 139 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,600 I'd be walking behind my mother and she'd be walking ahead of me 140 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,440 and I'd be struggling to catch up for her. 141 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,760 So I knew something was wrong. And it was amazing because when 142 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,840 I look back at it, I was only, I was only a child. 143 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,800 And as I said, like no, no child should go through this. 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,200 And This is why I feel like I I was just lucky because I fell 145 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,960 into this by accident. But yeah, Fast forward about 146 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,560 three years later and when I was doing this I took my my way to 147 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,040 the extreme. I think the lowest way I got 148 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,600 down to was about 3 1/2 stone and this is where I fainted. 149 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,320 I fainted quite a few times and and I was brought into a 150 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 hospital. We were actually on a holiday in 151 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Spain at the time and I had, I was, we were walking along the 152 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,000 beach and I had fainted and I was told my heart stopped and. 153 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,760 And they didn't know what was going on. 154 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,160 Yeah, So they brought me into the hospital and the hospital 155 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,800 told me, listen, we need to put you on a drip. 156 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,200 We need to start putting some sugars into you and we'll take 157 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,480 it from there. And every, I'd say every two 158 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:48,680 hours they were trying to feed me. 159 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,840 And at that at that time I had a really, really bad relationship 160 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,240 with food. And I mean if you gave me food, 161 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,440 I would get scared, like really, really scared. 162 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,520 So every time they fed me, I'd throw it at the window. 163 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,240 I didn't want to. It was getting really, really 164 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,600 bad. And then I had people coming 165 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,080 into me saying to me, listen, you need to eat, you need to 166 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,600 eat, otherwise you're going to die. 167 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,360 And that struck A chord. Me, That struck A chord with me 168 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,280 massively. I was like, Oh my God, like, I'm 169 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,000 only, I'm only a young kid here. Like I've still had my life. 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,160 I still have my life ahead of me, like, what am I going to do? 171 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,320 So that's when I start implementing, start, OK, I need 172 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,680 to eat small food, but I'll eat it when I'm ready. 173 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,320 And it took a long, long time, a long, long time to get myself 174 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,039 back into that routine of eating again. 175 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,559 And that took a toll on me for about at least three or four 176 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,760 years, to the point where I probably still am going through 177 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,800 at the moment, but not not as bad. 178 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,920 And yeah, that went, my recovery went on for about three or four 179 00:08:51,920 --> 00:09:00,080 years and when I got to around 18 years of age my family wanted 180 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,840 me to have a little bit of discipline in my life and and 181 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,760 they said, right, you're never going to get bullied again. 182 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,400 So we're going to put you into a we're going to put you into a 183 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,800 rugby club. Now I don't know if you know 184 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,000 anything about rugby, but rugby, like these guys are huge, like 185 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,640 big, big guys. And when I went in, I was 186 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,920 completely I was scared, I was traumatized. 187 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,560 I was like, look, I'm just a small kid here, like I'm only, I 188 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:29,960 can't remember what I was at the time. 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,880 But I was only a skinny lads. And I remember when going in and 190 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,000 the coach told me, listen, we're going to teach you how to build 191 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,520 muscle and we're going to bring you down to the gym and we're 192 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,680 going to feed you and we're going to look after you. 193 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,520 So I said this is fantastic. I'm going to feel confident. 194 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,480 I'm going to feel amazing that I want to do this. 195 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,720 So took me in, I learned how I picked up my first barbell at 196 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,760 around maybe 18 years of age. I think I was and start. 197 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:03,040 I stuck with the basics. Deadlifts, poles, rows and bench 198 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,760 presses, stuff like that. Just the basic compound lifts. 199 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,280 And my food was increasing on pretty much every month on a 200 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,000 monthly basis. But the food that were giving me 201 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,960 was basically energy, Gels, cereals, bagels, fruits, 202 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,320 dextrose, a lot of carbohydrate food. 203 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:27,600 And I stuck with that sport for the four years and I I blew up. 204 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,560 I absolutely. I mean you're talking about a 205 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,160 guy that was coming from anorexia up to about 18 years of 206 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,560 age as I was roughly around 9 stones. 207 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:42,120 So I would have been probably maybe around 120, around £130 to 208 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,520 after a year, 5I blew up to 18 stone and I think that was over 209 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,200 £250 like I was. I was a big, big unit. 210 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,680 Like I I put on so much mass you wouldn't believe, and I had. 211 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,080 You said that was 18 to To what age? 212 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,640 That that went from 18. I finished rugby at 23. 213 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,640 Well, that's quite a bit of, yeah, 9 stone. 214 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,400 I'm doing these conversions here. 9 stones, 126 lbs and then 215 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,920 18 stone is 252. So that is a lot of weight in a 216 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,480 short period of time. Yeah, and I'm not. 217 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,800 I'm only a small guy, like I'm only five or three, so to carry 218 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:27,240 £250 on your frame is a lot of weight and. 219 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,360 Probably a lot of muscle, but probably a little. 220 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,480 A little extra body fat, too. Oh yeah, Like I was. 221 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,240 I was huge. Like, I felt strong in the gym. 222 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,560 Like I was really really strong and powerful and I felt great 223 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,000 but I didn't feel great at the opposite effect on me and I was 224 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,240 and I was walking around and I was like OK, this this I don't 225 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,280 feel good. Like why why do when I feel good 226 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,080 if I'm that if I'm this size why am I walking around with like a 227 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,600 bloated stomach gassy and my energy is low and why am I, why 228 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,280 is my mental health getting affected. 229 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,960 And and this is where I this is where I start going down the 230 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,880 rabbit hole. When I looked around and I said 231 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,040 right OK, I tried tried a few different things like car I 232 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,360 tried carb, back loading. I tried the proteins at fast 233 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,440 where I just focused on proteins. 234 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,080 I focused and I it led me down to keto. 235 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,560 And the more I kept on doing it, I was like OK, I actually feel 236 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,160 better when I actually remove carbohydrates on my diet. 237 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,600 I just feel great. I have more energy, but I'm 238 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,040 going to lose all this muscle mass if I reduce the 239 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,960 carbohydrates on my diet. So I just, I just started 240 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,880 experimenting with my body. I was like, OK, let's just take 241 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,160 all the processed food outlet's take all the sugary food out and 242 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,400 let's just focus on complex carbohydrates, your sweet 243 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,960 potato, rice, brown rice, stuff like that, vegetables. 244 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,120 And it made it made a difference. 245 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,840 I looked a lot better, felt a little better, but I still had 246 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,920 that bloated feeling, that gassy feeling, and it still wasn't 247 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,120 sitting right me at all. And I wasn't feeling feeling 248 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,200 good at all. So that's when I went down to 249 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,280 keto and I looked at keto and I was like, OK, is this real? 250 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,160 If I just eat FIFA food, will this have an impact on the way I 251 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,400 look? And how am I actually going to 252 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,200 structure this? How does it actually work? 253 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,360 Do I need, do I need to eat low protein, high protein? 254 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,920 Do I need to eat high fat? Like, where am I going to get my 255 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,560 energy from? Is it going to come from 256 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,360 carbohydrates? And then I started looking up 257 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,640 YouTube videos and I saw people saying, like, listen, you'll get 258 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,280 more energy from eating your fats. 259 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,840 So I was like, OK, OK, where do I get my frats from? 260 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,280 So I get them from avocados, I get them from olive oils, I get 261 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,680 from olives, I get coconut oils. So I did. 262 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,600 I dealt. I delve deep into an awful lot 263 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:53,120 of fats and to the point where I lowered my protein down to and 264 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,720 at this stage now again I was around £250 and I think I 265 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,240 lowered my protein down to maybe around 1:20 when maybe around 266 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,280 1:30. And then my fats were quite 267 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,960 high, like really, really high as well and I was maintaining 268 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,000 muscle, I was maintaining size and yeah, everything ran really, 269 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,560 really well. And I did that for a couple of 270 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,480 years and I maintained that for a couple of years. 271 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,200 And as I said, everything went really, really well. 272 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,200 But again, I still had that. I still had that energy dips. 273 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,440 I was like, I was still walking around and people wouldn't 274 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,960 believe me. I was just like, you know what, 275 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,440 I might look good, but I still feel like crap. 276 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,280 I don't know what's wrong with me. 277 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,560 I just don't. I don't feel good. 278 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,800 And that's when I came across. I was, I am like last year, this 279 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,760 year, I was last year. And I've I had a friend of mine 280 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,960 that does a podcast and I'm funny enough you were on it and 281 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,960 I said, I'll dive into this because I've never actually 282 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,520 heard a carnival. And I was like, this guy is 283 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,200 actually on bodybuilding. So I said I'll listen to this 284 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,560 and see what and see what I think of it and then heard all 285 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,040 about it. I was like, you're just eating 286 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,200 me. And I was like, ah, here. 287 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,200 I don't think I'm going to be able to listen to this for 45 288 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,760 minutes. This just, this doesn't, this 289 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,120 sounds rubbish, right? I kept it on and the more I kept 290 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,640 on listening to you, I was like, this guy's actually making a lot 291 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,400 of sense. What was the podcast? 292 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,200 Was, well, I'll say, I'll send. You know Auntie, I can't 293 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,760 remember what was it was an Irish guy. 294 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,080 I spoke to you last year and he's, he's a big influencer over 295 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,240 here. I can't remember his name. 296 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,680 But you were on it and you spoke about your life. 297 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,760 And I was like, this is quite similar to mine. 298 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,720 And you were telling me about your food addictions and stuff 299 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,320 like that. And I was like, he's just eating 300 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,600 me. And I was like, wow, I'm 301 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,680 actually try this. So I went home and I said, 302 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,600 right, I'm just going to eat basically eggs, red meat, ground 303 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,000 beef for a week and let's see what happens. 304 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,080 Just let's just try it and let's see what happens. 305 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,440 And I couldn't believe it. When in a week, my digestive 306 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,160 issues were so much better, my energy was so much better, my 307 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,120 mental health was so much better, my mental clarity was so 308 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,560 much better. And I didn't lose any strength 309 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,000 in the gym whatsoever. And I just said, you know what? 310 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,720 I think I'm actually going to keep doing this. 311 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,960 I mean, people might think I'm actually crazy. 312 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,920 So I think I'm gonna actually do this as a lifestyle and see 313 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,800 where it takes me. And ever since then I have to 314 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,120 thank you and I have to think thank a few other people that 315 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,400 are in the carnivore community. Since then I've basically taken 316 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,440 all the principles you guys teach on to the people that I 317 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,440 actually coach. And it's actually made a huge, 318 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,320 huge difference to people's lives. 319 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,040 And it's just it's it's just amazing. 320 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,280 And that's pretty much my story. I. 321 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Love it, man. I feel like when you when you've 322 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,880 seen kind of all ends of the spectrum, like you had like you 323 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,880 were overweight at a young age, then you went crazy, other end 324 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,840 of the spectrum got incredibly light. 325 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,920 I mean 50 lbs is is nothing, man. 326 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,000 And then to blow up to £250 at 5 three, I mean heaviest I've ever 327 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,840 been was 230 lbs and I'm 5757 and a half and that was way too 328 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,520 much weight for my frame. So I can kind of relate with 329 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,240 where you're at on that end of the spectrum, but then to do all 330 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,839 that and then play with all the different types of diets, you 331 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:12,640 know, back loading. I did back loading for quite 332 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,720 some time. That was kind of what led me to 333 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,960 Keto, was the back loading and how are you doing back loading? 334 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,079 Were you following John Kiefer's program pretty closely? 335 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,720 No, I was just, I just, I think that as I said I just, I just, I 336 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,240 just think I fell into it by accident because I was just 337 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,120 playing around with different things with my body just to see 338 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:37,720 what actually suits my body. And I used to do like I used to 339 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,800 do a carb load back load pretty much after training and that 340 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,400 didn't work. And then I said right, OK, what 341 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,360 if I do, if I just eat proteins throughout the day, a little bit 342 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,680 of fat and then just have my carbohydrates at night time. 343 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,720 I was just basically playing around to see what actually do 344 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,800 with my body and that's I fell into it. 345 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,600 It wasn't about like looking out at YouTube's and trying to find 346 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,520 out what what was the best, the best way to do it. 347 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,000 I could find I could look at a million YouTube videos, but at 348 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,400 the end of the day it's about like, what suits you and I I 349 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,040 done that for weeks and weeks and weeks. 350 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,920 I just wanted to find out what actually suits my body, What How 351 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,640 can I actually still make progress and still feel pretty 352 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,560 much feeling good every day pretty much. 353 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Totally. Has your weight been pretty 354 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,560 stable here lately? Oh yeah, Like I'm I'm, I'm back 355 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,800 to pretty much where I where I should be. 356 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,560 I'm a lot healthier than where I should be. 357 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,720 I feel great. When I mentioned at the 358 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,960 beginning about my eating disorders, I still have to. 359 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,120 I don't think I'll ever get rid of that or funny enough. 360 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,680 And I don't have bodybuilding competition this year or sorry, 361 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,080 last year. And for many people, a lot of 362 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,320 people like to do it because they like to go in, they like to 363 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,080 challenge themselves, go in for the win, all that kind of stuff. 364 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,040 For me, I was always, since my addiction, I've been anorexic. 365 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,800 I've always had to wear a lot of clothing because underneath the 366 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,520 underneath that clothes and I still feel like I'm fat. 367 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,400 And I I reached out to a coach and I said, listen, I'm not 368 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,920 doing this to win. I'm doing this because pretty 369 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,080 much I'll be going out on my underwear and it's going to be a 370 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,200 big, big moment for me because I've always hid behind my 371 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,840 clothes for years. I mean I'm I'm I'm pushing 372 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:30,760 nearly 50 this year and I'm saying to my my girlfriend at 373 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,840 the time I was like listen I can't live like this. 374 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,640 I can't be going around on holidays where I'm wearing AT 375 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,760 shirt even though I look great, I feel great. 376 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,880 I I need to pretty much bury the bury these demons as quick as I 377 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,920 can and what better place to do it than going on stage probably 378 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,920 in a different country and just showing off and just you know 379 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,080 what, just say you like that. This is my moments and I'm not 380 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,040 letting anybody take it away from me and and that's the 381 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,600 reason. Sorry, go ahead. 382 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,560 What? What is your typical walking 383 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,240 around weight now? My weight now is I I'm around 10 384 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,320 1/2 stone, so I'm around 1:40, maybe 1:45. 385 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,160 Yeah, well I think, I mean shoot man, people that have never body 386 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,120 built, they they don't compete. It's funny because they just 387 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,640 assume that the people that are on stage are incredibly 388 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,280 confident in their skin, how they look and they just want to 389 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,440 showcase it all the time. But the reality of the situation 390 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,320 is, and you can attest to this yourself, is that the people 391 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,000 that are doing those things oftentimes are the least 392 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,560 confident in how they look like. They're always being subjective, 393 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,600 objective and just nitpicking every little detail. 394 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,520 So I can totally relate with you on many fronts there, man. 395 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,200 When I was in high school, I would never wear shirt shirts 396 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,640 with short sleeves. Like I never wore short sleeve 397 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,400 shirts because I was so self-conscious about how I 398 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,200 looked and it took me years to get past that. 399 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,160 Man, like bodybuilding that allowed me to breakthrough then, 400 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840 so I can totally see that being the catalyst for you as well. 401 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,480 But when you, I don't know, like when you have this idea in your 402 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,800 mind of what you want to look like, but then that doesn't 403 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,280 align with what you see in the mirror. 404 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,640 You just constantly have this fixation about how you look, how 405 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,480 people perceive the way you look. 406 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,720 Especially if you're in the coaching space because you're 407 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,200 supposed to look a certain way, you know, quote, UN quote, 408 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,920 supposed to look a certain way. And you feel like you have to 409 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,960 give off this image for your clientele. 410 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,360 There's just a lot of pressure there that society puts on you, 411 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:28,120 that social media puts on you. So just breaking through that by 412 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,240 stepping on stage and kind of putting yourself out there is 413 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,160 pretty admirable man. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. 414 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,640 I think it's all, it all comes down just peer pressure. 415 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,720 And that's the reason why I had I had to grow over. 416 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,600 I had to. I had to. 417 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,600 I just put so much pressure on myself. 418 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,160 I was putting everybody 1st and I wasn't putting myself 1st. 419 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,960 And I I knew I said to myself, right, if I'm going to do this, 420 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,720 I have to do it right. I'm not going over for the win. 421 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,600 And I remember being backstage and I remember seeing everybody 422 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,840 stressed and everybody eating carbohydrates every two hours. 423 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,880 And you could see those. You could see the emotion in 424 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,560 everybody's face. And I was, I was just, I was so 425 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,800 relaxed because I knew my reason why. 426 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,560 I knew the reason why I was doing this and I don't know, I 427 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,560 was so relaxed. The only time, the only time I 428 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040 got really, really terrified is when they called my name to go 429 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,400 on stage. That's when I said myself, OK, 430 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,800 listen, it's either now you either go for it or you turn 431 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,200 back and and if you if you if you go forward, that's it, You 432 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,160 need to keep looking forward and just bury all those demons and 433 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,160 never ever look back. Because I had to. 434 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,000 I had to. It's when I say to you I was on 435 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,480 the verge, literally on the verge of dying at 10 years of 436 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,000 age. I'm not even joking. 437 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,120 And doctors are saying to me listen. 438 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,760 And my mother broke down in tears in front of me saying 439 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,000 listen son don't leave us And when you when you hear that as a 440 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,160 10 year old and and I shouldn't have to even think about these 441 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,400 things. I should be in these should be 442 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,040 the best times of my life And but I blame myself for that. 443 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,320 I blame myself for pump. I put my parents through that in 444 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,400 the 1st place and I wanted to show my parents that listen I 445 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,640 got into this. I'm actually going to get out of 446 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,800 myself but it took a long long time. 447 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,040 It took a long, long time for me to to get it to get out of. 448 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,240 What do you think was the reason for that pressure in the 1st 449 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,280 place? Like, what do you think the 450 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,080 catalyst was for you at such a young age to be so consumed by 451 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,880 your your weights? How you looked like? 452 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,240 What do you think the catalyst was? 453 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,920 Bullying. Bullying the product? 454 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,280 Yeah, just bullying. I mean, I used to get bullied 455 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,680 over my way every single day in school when I was younger and 456 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,640 girls wouldn't come near me. And as I said, I used to be the 457 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,920 fat kid that would be last to get picked on a sports team and 458 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 that took its toll on me. So let's say we're playing 459 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,600 soccer or rugby or whatever it is. 460 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,400 I was always last. Nobody wanted me on their team. 461 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,760 Nobody. And I used to go home and I used 462 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,480 to cry into my pillow, literally cry into my pillow. 463 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,040 I was like, I can't live like this. 464 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,560 This is, this is not my life. I just can't. 465 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,600 I just cannot live like this. What's going on? 466 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,080 How am I getting so big? I didn't understand. 467 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,480 I didn't understand my life. I didn't understand how I felt 468 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,520 this way. And the and the only way I knew 469 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,080 I could get rid of it was exercise. 470 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,000 To the point where it just. I got so addicted. 471 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:35,560 I got so addicted to exercise that I just couldn't get over. 472 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,920 I really couldn't get out of it. Were you doing like the like, 473 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,440 binging and purging when you were really struggling with the 474 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,920 anorexia? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 475 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,000 I was, I was, I was. I would have been purging at the 476 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,160 beginning, but at the at the at the later stages, then I would 477 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,800 have just took it to a level where I would have been pretty 478 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,560 much eaten nothing. I mean, I I could have went days 479 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,360 fast and pretty much for days. I mean, when we got to the later 480 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,800 stage of the anorexia, I mean, I probably would have had a Mars 481 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,520 bar and that would have been my meal for the day and it would 482 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,080 have took me nearly an hour to eat. 483 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Were you getting bullied quite a bit when you were so small too? 484 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,520 Yeah, that's tough. Man, so it went, it went on for, 485 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,640 it went on for a long, long time and it just as I said, it just, 486 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,600 it got it got me, it got me really, really bad. 487 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,800 And it could have had, it could, have, could have been worse. 488 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,120 When you found Keto and Carnivore and you started living 489 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,680 that way, did you? I mean, are you eating pretty 490 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,600 intuitively? Are you tracking everything or 491 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,520 how you structuring that? So at the moment I'm not I'm 492 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,600 actually quite relaxed. I'm I'm actually going through a 493 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,200 reverse phase at the moment. So I competed in November and my 494 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,800 I can't remember what my calories were around or I think 495 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,520 they're around maybe 1450 I think before I got on stage and 496 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,200 stand up and increase my food intake slowly. 497 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,760 I'm still increase my food slowly and the reason why I did 498 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,920 that, and that's the reason why I spoke to my coach about this, 499 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,680 because I didn't want to get into that situation again where 500 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,440 I dropped all the way and then I'm allowed to. 501 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,000 I'm allowing myself to bench because that that could 502 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,680 literally take over my life because I've done that in the 503 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,880 past and I wanted to do it right. 504 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,840 So I I said at the very, very beginning, we're going to drop 505 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,920 the weight down, we're going to get ripped the shreds on on 506 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,720 stage. But when I come out with this, 507 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,920 we're going to do a reverse diet and I'm probably going to do it 508 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,320 for about four or five months. That's tough, man. 509 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,920 Like I'm in my reverse diet now as well. 510 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,680 My last show of the season was in November 2 and you know, I'm 511 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,400 I guess 9 weeks post show right now. 512 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,400 Reverse dieting. And it's tough, man. 513 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,120 Like reverse dieting is no joke because like you have. 514 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,840 No show date looming on the calendar, so staying on track of 515 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,560 your nutrition so as to not allow yourself to binge is 516 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,160 honestly, in my opinion, psychologically harder than 517 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,000 actually cutting calories in preparation for the show. 518 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Because. One. 519 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,080 Yeah. One hundred, 100%. 520 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600 It's it's really, really hard. Especially when you're going 521 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,360 through the holidays and Christmases and this time this 522 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,040 time of the year when it's very, very cold, you just want to sit 523 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,400 back and enjoy a meal with the family and just just chill out 524 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,320 basically for them. No, yeah, totally agree, Totally 525 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,320 agree. It's a lot harder. 526 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,280 And there's there's been a few times throughout this reverse 527 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,360 diet where I've eaten in excess. Like there there was two days 528 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,520 where I ate like 8000 calories, which my body didn't need that 529 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,680 many calories in in a sitting by any means. 530 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,120 But one thing I've done that I'm proud of with this reverse is 531 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,480 that I've tracked everything. So I know that I had the 8000 532 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,840 calories. I know my why my body responded 533 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800 the way it did post consumption of that intake. 534 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,560 And I've I've kept things much more dialed in with this reverse 535 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,160 diet than I ever have previously. 536 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,360 And there's been times like I've done several show seasons now 537 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480 and each reverse diet, each prep and each reverse diet has gotten 538 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,200 better and built on the one prior. 539 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,040 But really putting time and attention towards the reverse is 540 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,920 just as important as the cut itself. 541 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,280 And I see so many people like you say they just start binging 542 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960 afterwards post show and then they put on way too much body 543 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,040 fat way too quickly and it just really has a takes a 544 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,400 psychological toll on them. Yeah. 545 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,120 And and that's a good point because I I put up a post there 546 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,240 about about, I think it was about 8 weeks ago and about five 547 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,560 years ago I was, I was eating the standard 6 meals a day and I 548 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,920 was eating, I think at the top end I was eating around 2200 549 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,600 calories and I looked absolutely rubbish, completely rubbish, and 550 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,400 I brought it down to around 1600. 551 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Now my current calorie intake at the moment, I'm, I'm pretty sure 552 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,880 I'm honored, probably a bit hard in 22. 553 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,600 I'm probably around 23, maybe 2350 and I still look, I still 554 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840 look really, really lean. I mean my body fat is still 555 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040 quite low. I still have my abs, I'm still 556 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,880 quite ripped, I still feel great and I'm like, how far can I 557 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,480 actually push this. So that's the reason why I chose 558 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,720 to do it, because I know eat in this kind of way and live in 559 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,120 this kind of way. Also it's it's very, very hard 560 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,920 to put on weight. A lot of weight, a lot of body 561 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,880 fat. When you're eating this this 562 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520 kind of way, you don't think so? No, I totally agree. 563 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,440 And The thing is like if you do have days where you eat in 564 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,120 excess, like those two 8000 calorie days were certainly in 565 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,760 excess for me, but it was predominantly coming from all 566 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,440 quality foods like animal based foods. 567 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,880 Like some of that 8000 calories was coming from, you know, 568 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,920 grass, finished beef liver and you know, mahi Mai fish fillets. 569 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920 Like it was all stuff that I don't feel guilty about eating. 570 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840 And I think that is a huge component as well. 571 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,400 Like when you eat something that you know isn't serving you and 572 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,400 you have this guilt associated with it, it makes it so much 573 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,080 easier to fall into these binging, purging tendencies. 574 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,160 Whereas if you do eat in surplus and you're honest with yourself 575 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200 about it, but you know it's all coming from quality foods, that 576 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,280 certainly lessens the adverse effects both physically and 577 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,240 mentally. Exactly. 578 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,400 Yeah. And the guilt goes away, 579 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,720 Correct. Yeah, I agree A. 100% So you did 580 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240 the show in November, and what did that do for the inner demons 581 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,320 like that? Totally squelched them. 582 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,000 Like are there any any concern with how you look underneath the 583 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,040 clothes now? Do you feel the need to layer up 584 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,920 or do you feel pretty good about yourself? 585 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,880 Now I feel great. Now I feel fantastic to the to 586 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,400 the point where we we we went over and we only we only said 587 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,440 we'll do one show. We only literally did said we do 588 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,520 one show and I remember stepping on stage and I I remember as I 589 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560 said I was shaking before I stepped on stage but when I got 590 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,760 out there I just I felt amazing. I was like OK this is it this is 591 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,120 my moment I just feel great. And then I remember sitting back 592 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,000 down speaking to the coach and I was like you know what I want to 593 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,520 do this again and he's like what do you what what do you mean you 594 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,360 want to do it again. I said I want to do this again. 595 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,200 And. And he says, well, what what? 596 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,520 What category do you want to do? And I remember watching the guys 597 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,640 coming out when they were wearing those, those shorts. 598 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,240 I don't, I can't remember. I don't know the name of the 599 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320 field physique, but they were wearing shorts. 600 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,760 Yeah. And I was like, I can do that. 601 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,360 I want to do that. And I just got really, really 602 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,920 excited. I was just in the zone. 603 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,840 I was like, you know what, let's just go backstage. 604 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,400 Let's see if I can get my name up and let's see if I can 605 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,520 actually do it. So your man turned around and 606 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,640 says was, yeah, you can go in but you'll have to get yourself 607 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640 a pair of shorts. So myself and the coach ran 608 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,560 inside the door. We had to run to the nearest 609 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,880 shop because we had no shorts. And we went through a few shops 610 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840 and we were looking around and the one, the one thing that they 611 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680 didn't have was shorts because it was, it was like November the 612 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360 middle. It was freezing cold and we went 613 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,520 everywhere, went to every single sports shop and we were looking 614 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,800 at we were literally against time and we're like, listen, we 615 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,440 need to get a pressure because I'm up on saves in the next 45 616 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,680 minutes or what we're running around the I should be, I should 617 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,560 be looking after my energy. But this stage I was just full 618 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,160 of adrenaline. I was feeling great. 619 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,960 I was like, you know what, I'm doing this, I don't care. 620 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,520 I'm doing this. So we eventually got into a 621 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,360 mall. We got a pair of shorts. 622 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,360 They were like, I'd say they were they were too big on me, 623 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,960 but I didn't care and went up to the guy said, listen I'm ready 624 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,720 to go. He says, right, you're going to 625 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760 be on now in the next half an hour. 626 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,960 So went back with the coach. We had to do the, we had to do 627 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,720 the posing techniques. We did that. 628 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,680 We did that for about 20 minutes, locked into it and 629 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,640 yeah, we went back up on stage and we did it all over again. 630 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,960 And I was just it's just a moment that you're never, ever 631 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,600 going to take away from me. That's awesome. 632 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,640 And so you the first time you were on stage was for like a 633 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480 bodybuilding category? Just a bodybuilding category, 634 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,560 yeah, that's what we're going, that's what we're aiming for. 635 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,600 And we did that. And so we were in the trunks for 636 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,320 them and we're posing literally every day And and then yeah we 637 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280 got on stage greatly and I was up there with another six guys. 638 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,440 They were fantastic and they all, we all spoke to each other 639 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,840 before we went on stage and and yeah, it was amazing as I said 640 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,640 when I look, when I look back at it and saying I said why don't 641 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,760 you not just do this a long, long time ago like you should 642 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,880 have just done this like 10 years ago and you wouldn't you 643 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,680 would have never been in this situation. 644 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,080 You would have felt a lot better. 645 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,880 But what can you do? That's awesome, man. 646 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,360 Do you think you'll you'll compete again like in in the 647 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520 future? Another another season? 648 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,560 No, I think, no, I think I'm done. 649 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,000 I think for me, as I said, it wasn't about the win. 650 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,680 It was never about the the, the winning. 651 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,240 For me, I always had my. I always had my own personal 652 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,760 reason why I did it. I'm glad I did it. 653 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,640 Now I'm just going to focus 100%. 654 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,920 Now I'm like, I'm what I do at home, my coaching business, 655 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,160 well. Talk to me about the coaching 656 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,320 businessman. How long have you been doing 657 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800 that? So I've been doing coaching now 658 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,120 since I was 21. So I've been, I've been doing 659 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120 fitness now, like personal training and coaching since I 660 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,040 was 21. But I've been doing online 661 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,440 coaching now for the last five years and it's gone quite well 662 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,400 at the moment. And I'm glad now that I, as I 663 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,080 said, I'm glad I went down that carnivore route because I used 664 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,080 to give people like the carbohydrates, diets, the six 665 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,679 meals a day. And I'm pretty sure every 666 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,480 trainer has done the same thing, probably in the carnivore 667 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,719 community. And when I look back and I'm 668 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,920 like, wow, what was I? What was I thinking? 669 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,239 What was I actually thinking? And yeah, that's the reason why 670 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,000 I got on it. So my development in coaching 671 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,120 has definitely improved since I've definitely been in the 672 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920 carnivore community. But when it comes to training, 673 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,280 I've always been, I wouldn't say an expert in training, but I 674 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,600 know my stuff and I think I know myself because I was brought up 675 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:48,480 in rugby and and when the guys train a rugby they get, they get 676 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,800 big very, very quickly. Like really, really big, quite 677 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,199 big, quite quickly. And I think from when we look at 678 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,280 the fitness community at the moment, I think a lot of people 679 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,280 just like to get confused. I think there's an awful lot of 680 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,960 information out there on social media about basic stuff when it 681 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960 just comes down to the principles of training. 682 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,800 Like if you're just doing the basics in the gym, you're 683 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,920 training the heart, you're feeding your body and you're 684 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,360 recovering every other day, you're going to get amazing 685 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,160 results. I mean, there's no there's no 686 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,840 set stone when it comes to training. 687 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,800 Does everybody has a training routine that they enjoy And as a 688 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,680 if you're making, if you're making progressions, you're 689 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,600 adding progressive overload into your training and you're you're 690 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,240 doing well and you're getting amazing results, that's pretty 691 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,080 much all that matters. Yeah, I think a lot of people 692 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,200 overthink the training component. 693 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,000 Like yes, there's you can go to the NTH degree with technique 694 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,160 and form and intensity variations and all the the 695 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,720 nuance to training. But so many people just fail to 696 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,800 take the first step towards training because it is kind of 697 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,720 overwhelming when you start looking at all that nuance. 698 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,520 But you can see tremendous, tremendous progress with just 699 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,000 like the basic bare bone fundamentals. 700 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,760 Absolutely. Yeah. 701 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,080 Just, I mean, I mean, I think the hardest one to do is lift 702 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,440 your own body weight. Yeah. 703 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,000 I mean, there's a lot of guys that can't even do like 10 pull 704 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,360 ups, I mean, and then and they're going over a lot, a lot 705 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,960 pull down. I'm like no try and do the pull 706 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,080 ups first. Totally what? 707 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,440 What is it you think about the the rugby training style that 708 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,280 leads to such massive growth so quickly? 709 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,760 Like, what do you think they're doing differently? 710 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,080 It's it's definitely the training intensity and it's 711 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,480 that's pretty much it. I mean, we don't do any junk 712 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,480 junk volume. It's just you going to the gym, 713 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,960 you warm the muscle up and basically you go and lit that 714 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,320 When you're ready for that main lift, that's when you do it, 715 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,640 Yeah. And then it's all about 716 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,480 progressive overload. You write this stuff down and 717 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,400 then you come back in the following week to try and beat 718 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,080 your numbers. And me, I mean, that's pretty 719 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,840 much it. We never did any any junk volume 720 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,200 in the gym whatsoever. We just wanted the muscle. 721 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,640 We maybe did 4/4 rounds. But I'll give you an example. 722 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,040 Let's say we're doing a bench press and let's say you'll start 723 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,680 off with say, I don't know, me 40 lbs in the bar. 724 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,800 You'll just do 5 reps Every time the weight goes up, the reps go 725 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,000 down. So you're just getting a just 726 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000 getting a feel of the muscle and then when you get to that target 727 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,240 weight, we were always aiming for between 6:00 and 8:00 reps. 728 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,640 So that would be your wherever was your maximum Rep, we would 729 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,880 always decrease the weight by about 20% and then we'd wrap up 730 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,960 probably about 630 reps and that's how we grew up. 731 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960 We were, we were literally in the gym for I'd say 30 minutes 732 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,320 Max. But the intensity in those 733 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160 sessions was really, really high. 734 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,520 Like really, really high. So you're typically doing like 735 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:49,400 four sets for a given exercise. Yeah, 4X4 and exercise, yeah. 736 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,160 And then the reps would have been extremely low because the 737 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,760 reason why the rest were low is when we're trying to save our 738 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,960 energy. So we were doing like say sets 739 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,400 of 15, sets of 12, sets of ten sets of eight like Viper Trophy 740 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,520 training, we were saving our energy. 741 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,840 So on that last Rep and before we actually went into our our 742 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160 into our main set, we were just doing one clean Rep, like just 743 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,000 one clean Rep And if struggles, if you struggle to get that 744 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000 weight up, well then that that weight was extremely heavy. 745 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,160 So you probably would have been back down to around maybe 3040% 746 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,000 because at that time that would had that would have had a major 747 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120 effect on your CNS system to try and get that one way up. 748 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,560 So it would have made no sense to try and back the weight down 749 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,720 by 20% because you probably would have only got one or two 750 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,760 reps That makes sense. Totally, yeah. 751 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,040 The whole concept of junk volume is one that I've seen tossed 752 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,480 around a lot more here lately. Like here in the States, 753 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,280 especially with all the talk of hypertrophy and building size, 754 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,960 everyone's talking about you know, volume, volume, volume, 755 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,120 volume being the end all be all but often times at the exclusion 756 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,800 of intensity and I guess just for the listeners sake would you 757 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,040 define junk volume. So junk volume is when you go 758 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600 into the gym and let's say you're warming up a muscle and 759 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,520 you're doing like say six sets on the same exercise. 760 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,360 So you could have you could have done maybe 607080 reps done 761 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,040 before you actually go in and do your main set. 762 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,920 Now to me that makes absolutely no sense because you're waiting 763 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,320 too much energy when you could be putting all that energy into 764 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,880 that main set. And even if you're lifting much 765 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,640 fewer reps but at a significantly higher weight, 766 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,120 then the total volume is going to be lower if you're just, you 767 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,400 know, going through the equation to calculate total volume. 768 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,520 But the intensity would be higher, the effect on your CNS 769 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,760 is going to be higher, and the reason that you're giving your 770 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160 body a stimulus to grow is going to be higher. 771 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,360 Exactly, yeah, exactly. So how many different exercises 772 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,320 are you typically doing then? So I'm in the gym and so I 773 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,720 follow now a push pull leg and I do 1 upper body at the sorry 774 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,840 full full body at the weekend. So when I'm doing let's say a 775 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,760 push routine, I only have six exercises in total. 776 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,320 What I'm doing, so I'll give you an example. 777 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,360 So at the mall at the start, I'll do an activation kind of 778 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,760 movement. So I'm just activating the 779 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,520 shoulders, I'm activating this chest, making sure everything 780 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,800 feels really, really good. So I might start off with a PEC 781 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,240 deck just to get some blood into the muscle. 782 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,960 I'm not doing any failure sets here whatsoever. 783 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,280 It's just basically just get the muscle primed and ready. 784 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,440 Then I'll go into my first push movements will be a chest 785 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,520 movement that could be. Now for me, I I like to do 786 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,880 stationary exercises simply because they're a lot safer. 787 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480 I have nothing against barbells, I've nothing against dumbbells. 788 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,680 But the the reason why I don't use barbells is because an awful 789 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,320 lot of people get rotator cuff injuries and then when it comes 790 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120 to dumbbells, when you're trying to pick them off the ground, 791 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,360 that takes an awful lot of energy. 792 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,160 Oh, you also so this is the reason why I try and stick with 793 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,240 machines or cables. So I'll do a standard chess 794 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:59,040 machine, and at this stage now my my muscles are quite warm, so 795 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,200 I'll do just four. I'll do 4 rounds, but I'll start 796 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,720 off with just four reps so I don't need to go heavy. 797 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:10,840 I don't need to go super high Rep, just do four good reps Time 798 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,040 and attention. Let the muscle do the work. 799 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,080 I'll increase the weight by about 2030%. 800 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,360 I'll drop the weight down or sorry, I'll drop the reps down. 801 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,760 I'll do about 3 reps I'll draw. I'll increase the weight again 802 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,680 by maybe about 1015%. I'll do 2 reps, then I'll 803 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,160 increase the weight. Again, that's going to be a 804 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,360 heavyweight. I'm just going to do one clean 805 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,080 Rep now on that. On that one clean Rep, I'm 806 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,440 really going to focus on the negative. 807 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,400 So I'm going to push the weight out and I'm really going to 808 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,400 focus on the negative. I'm going to give myself a 30 809 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200 seconds psych myself up. I'm going to put the, I'm going 810 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,880 to put it on a weight where I feel like I think it's going to 811 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,680 be challenging, but I know I can get the six to 10 reps now. 812 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,880 I'm not thinking about how many reps I'm doing. 813 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,520 I'm still putting the muscle through. 814 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120 It's maximum failure. So I'm really focusing on that 815 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,840 negative. I'm really focusing on that 816 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,040 eccentric, that concentric part of the lift, and then when I get 817 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,320 to the end part, but I'll focus on the static part of the Rep, 818 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,240 see the three parts. When we look at trying to fail 819 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,960 on a muscle, and that's the eccentric, decent, concentric, 820 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,280 and the static, static part of the Rep, I try and make sure I 821 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,560 do every single one of them before I actually come off the 822 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,760 machine. Too many people go into an 823 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,080 exercise, into an exercise. They'll lift away from A to B, 824 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,240 and then they'll come off there and they haven't even broken a 825 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,720 sweat. Yeah, broken. 826 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,280 And that's when I look at that. I'm saying, let's listen, like 827 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,000 you've just wasted a set there. And then they'll go back in and 828 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,360 do it again, and then they'll go back in and do it again. 829 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,600 Whereas when I go in, I'm taking that muscle to a place where 830 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,080 it's never been before. Now if I know if I take that 831 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,880 muscle to a place it's never been, what's the point in going 832 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,040 back in and doing it again? Yeah, no, I totally agree, man. 833 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,800 So you're typically doing like a 443 one and then eight Rep 834 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,520 scheme on your four sets roughly? 835 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,360 Exactly, yeah. And I'm not wasting energy, any 836 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,120 energy. And and the good thing about 837 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,280 that Robert is throughout the whole route, throughout the 838 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,040 whole when I do my exercise like let's say I'm done, I'm doing 839 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,440 push date for me if you're getting weaker throughout the 840 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,840 throughout the program, something to me tell something 841 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480 tells me the program is wrong. You're probably doing too much 842 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,120 junk volume. It used to be able to maintain 843 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,080 strength all the way through that exercise routine. 844 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,240 Does that make sense? Totally how? 845 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:29,880 Often and I think. Oh, go ahead. 846 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,680 No, go ahead. How often are you changing 847 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,520 routines? I would change routines if I get 848 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,600 stuck in a movement. So let's say I have. 849 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,160 Let's say I'm doing the stack on the chest press and I've 850 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,560 maintained 8 to 10 reps. I might move then onto a hammer 851 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,120 strength machine or I might move on to something that's a little 852 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,200 bit heavier, a little bit stronger, and that's when I'll 853 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,000 know, OK, my body's telling me it's it's it's time to move on 854 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,520 or I might actually get bored of doing that movements. 855 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,120 I might say maybe I'll I'll just do a different angle. 856 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,800 So maybe I'll do an incline machine press and maybe I'll do 857 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,720 a hammer strength and incline press. 858 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,800 It's something in. That's it, in that in that way 859 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,040 I'll do it. But when just going back to the 860 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,040 training program, when I finish my chest movements, I know I've 861 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,640 actually fatigued my chest. So now I need to go on a 862 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,640 different angle of a push movements. 863 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,480 So this is where I'll go towards a shoulder movement because I 864 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,440 did days. Now I don't need to do any more 865 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,480 movements on my chest. I've fatigued the chest, so 866 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440 going back in and doing any more junk volume makes absolutely no 867 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,960 sense to me whatsoever. So that's when I'll go into any 868 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,120 a slightly inclined hammer strength and I'll really focus 869 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,800 on those delts. And again, I'll do the same 870 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,360 principle. I'll go in, I'll do four sets, 4 871 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,080 reps at the beginning, 321, and then I'll go back in and I'll 872 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,840 attack that main set. Once I've done those four, those 873 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,720 two, then I'm going to focus down on a tricep movement. 874 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,360 So this is where I'll do more of a dip. 875 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,600 So I'm I'm still bringing in my chest, so I'll do, I'll focus 876 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,160 more on the triceps and the same thing. 877 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,360 The same thing applies here. But because I'm at the end of my 878 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,400 routine, this is where I'll add in an extra intensity technique 879 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,400 on this movement. So this is where I'll introduce 880 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,680 maybe a rest pause there or a muckle round set. 881 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,240 So basically what a rest pause set is, is when you take the set 882 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,040 to complete failure. So when you can't do another 883 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,600 Rep, you'll rest for about 25 seconds, you'll take 25 deep 884 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,960 breaths and you'll go back in and you'll do it again. 885 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,000 So probably on the first one I'll probably give a 10, the 886 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,840 next one I'll probably get get give A5 and then on the last one 887 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,400 I'll probably just get one or two. 888 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,480 And then on that last one or two, I'm really, really, really 889 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,400 going to focus on that negative as long as I can. 890 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,040 If it takes me about 30 seconds to destroy that negative part of 891 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,440 the Rep, so be it. That way I know then I have 892 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,240 literally destroyed the muscle I don't need to do anymore. 893 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,640 So once all those pressing movements are done, all I need 894 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920 to do now is just focus on isolation movements and 895 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,200 basically speed up the and speed up the exercise. 896 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,080 So this is where I might add in some tricep push downs. 897 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,240 I'll do maybe a couple of rounds, maybe 2 rounds of 15, 898 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,880 and then I'll go straight in and do my my, my one main set. 899 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,040 Then I might do a cable extension and that's pretty much 900 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,800 it. Throw in a few ABS and that's 901 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,000 it. The road to work, it will take 902 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,760 me roughly about 3540 minutes and for me, I enjoy that. 903 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,680 I enjoy the intensity. I I enjoy just going into the 904 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,360 gym and just basically killing it. 905 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,200 Put my earphones on, block out who's in the gym. 906 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,160 I just got just pretty much go to work. 907 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,840 I love it, ma'am. How long are you resting between 908 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,040 sets? Are you tracking that at all or 909 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,920 just intuitive? So on on the isolations, maybe 910 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,760 2530 seconds when it comes to my main lifts on the comp. 911 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,560 On the the push movements 60 seconds 90 seconds Max. 912 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,080 Gotcha. Nice. 913 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,960 Do you feel like your hypertrophy potential has been 914 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,800 hindered at all by not having as much fun? 915 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,720 I mean, obviously your strength is going to be the primary focus 916 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,760 ever. Do you feel like you've suffered 917 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,160 at all from a hypertrophy standpoint? 918 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,040 No, I don't think so at all. If anything I've actually, I 919 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,200 think it's actually improved it. I think I've actually, I've 920 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,400 actually gotten stronger. And The funny thing is I did 921 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,640 this all the way during my prep and I didn't lose any strength 922 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,480 until around probably about two weeks before I stepped on stage. 923 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,200 Yeah, no, that's key, man. What about the recovery? 924 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,160 I feel like a lot of people train hard in the gym and they 925 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,920 they fail to focus on the recovery. 926 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,680 How long between a target muscle group and a given set of 927 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,960 compound exercise before you do that same thing again, just a 928 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,960 week? Yeah, so pretty much a week now. 929 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,320 I do a full body on a on the weekend where I don't take it to 930 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,400 the extreme so I do still lift where it's kind of like a light 931 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,600 day. So. 932 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,480 So when I'm in a light day I'm not thinking about how many reps 933 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,000 I'm doing. I'm just doing everything pretty 934 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,640 much time under tension. So I could be doing a movement 935 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,120 and it could take me nearly 60 seconds up to two minutes to do, 936 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:15,040 but I'm still I'm still getting a good activation on the muscle 937 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,880 A. Lot more blood flow too. 938 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,960 Yeah, yeah. So 4. 939 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,440 Four days a week. Then push, pull legs, full body, 940 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,760 yeah. And that's and that suits me. 941 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,240 If now if I find that I'm not I'm not recovering or let's say 942 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,960 my lifts are get are going down or I'm I'm not sleeping well or 943 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,200 my hunger's going up, that mean that tells me then that my 944 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,040 training volume is too high in the gym. 945 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,760 Yeah. And that's how I know covering 946 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,040 very, very well. That makes sense, man. 947 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,640 How's your recovery been since you switched over to carnivore 948 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,920 keto? Like Higher fat, higher protein? 949 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000 Minimal carbs? Like, has your recovery made a 950 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,480 pretty noticeable change? If if honestly, it feels like I 951 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,120 could train every day if I wanted to. 952 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,760 I mean, I feels like I could go into the gym every single day, 953 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,520 still do the the type of intensity I'm doing right now 954 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,920 and I still think I'd actually be able to recover so much 955 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,720 faster. Yeah, notice the same thing, 956 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:13,480 man. Like when I used to train with a 957 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,360 traditional diet, I would just be. 958 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,480 So I was doing like a body part split. 959 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,600 So I would do legs. For instance. 960 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,200 One day I would not be able to train legs until the following 961 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,920 week. Whereas now I've I've been 962 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,400 playing around with the full body routine for the past year 963 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,840 and I literally trained with a quite a bit of intensity every 964 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,040 single day, five days a week at least. 965 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,560 And I don't feel any issues with the recovery whatsoever. 966 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,400 Like I could do heavy squats on Monday, and if I wanted to do 967 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,440 heavy squats again on Tuesday, I don't feel like I would have any 968 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,480 issues doing so. Yeah, definitely. 969 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,400 And can I just ask as well that when it comes to your training 970 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,080 volume and it like I know you're doing a full body, are you just 971 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,200 doing one exercise per body part or what? 972 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,000 What? How does it work? 973 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,440 Yeah. So with the full body, I've been 974 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,520 doing just one exercise per body parts. 975 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,840 And then the sets and reps kind of just depend on the movement. 976 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,920 It's like the compound movements. 977 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,840 I'll do fewer reps, heavier weights. 978 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,040 But yeah, one exercise for a given body part every time I 979 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,840 train. Yeah, it it makes total sense, 980 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,440 doesn't it? It doesn't make any sense. 981 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,760 If you're going into say, like a hack squat and you take that to 982 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,360 failure and then you're walking over to like, say, a Smith 983 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,920 machine and you're dealing squats, yeah, yeah, it just 984 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,320 doesn't make any sense because your your legs are taxed. 985 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,120 They're really, really taxed. Unless you're going to be going 986 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,160 over to that Smith Smith squat and lowering the weight and 987 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,120 really focusing on the muscle, it just makes no sense to go 988 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,680 over and start adding more volume. 989 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,720 Yeah, no, I totally agree. And with the full body, I'm 990 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,040 getting quite a bit of volume over the course of the week. 991 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,120 And I'm I've got much more training frequency for a given 992 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,960 body part because I'm hitting it every single day. 993 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,600 But it's not like I'm doing 6 exercises for a given body part 994 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,360 and then doing that same thing the next day. 995 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,440 Like, everything's getting ample time to recover, but 996 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000 everything's getting worked daily, which is I kind of have 997 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,760 enjoyed it, really. Yeah, and that's the most 998 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,080 important thing, isn't it? It's just being. 999 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,680 It's just fine that what's enjoyable and what you can 1000 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,760 actually sustain and keep doing for a long time. 1001 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,960 Totally, totally. So with your client pool, like 1002 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,160 are those mostly people that are like what? 1003 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,200 What is the the target demographic or avatar of your 1004 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,880 typical client? Are they mostly people that are 1005 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,520 just wanting to lose weight? Are they familiar with low carb 1006 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,920 keto? Like how are they finding you 1007 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,160 What What kind of type of client are you working with? 1008 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,600 Yeah, so I have a mixture of clients, but if you look at my 1009 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,440 bio, I know an awful lot. I know, yourself included. 1010 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,640 There's an awful lot of people in the Carnivore community put 1011 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,560 up Carnivore and they put up keto. 1012 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,040 And the reason why I chose not to do that is because Susan, as 1013 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,320 you know it from when I spoke to you at the beginning over here, 1014 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,000 key on Carnivore is is such a small thing. 1015 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,400 It really is. So when I take a client on, if I 1016 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,400 said to somebody, listen, I'm going to have you on me for the 1017 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,080 rest of for the pretty much for the rest of your life, that 1018 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,240 client is going to run them while it's going to run them 1019 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,000 while for me it's not going to happen. 1020 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,640 So I try and ease them in, so I'll take them on and regardless 1021 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,520 whether they're trying to build muscle, they're trying to lose 1022 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,320 weight, I'll take them on and I'll educate them through the 1023 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,920 process. So I'll say, listen, OK, this 1024 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,000 could take three to six months, but this is what we're going to 1025 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840 do. And what I'm doing is I'm 1026 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,680 deliberately, well, I'm not deliberately, I'm doing it 1027 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,960 behind their back. I'm reducing the carbohydrates 1028 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,000 slowly and they don't actually have any idea. 1029 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,920 I'm actually doing it to the point when we get to around 1030 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,960 let's say week eight, week 9, the carbohydrates are pretty 1031 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,760 much down to just veggies. And then by week 10, maybe week 1032 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,600 12, I've completely removed them all together and they get back 1033 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,320 to me and like Mark, I feel great. 1034 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,000 I feel fantastic like I'm just eating meat. 1035 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,680 Like how is this possible that I'm just walking around and I'm 1036 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,000 just eating eggs and I'm just eating red meat? 1037 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,120 Like how is it possible? And that's that's been a huge, a 1038 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,440 huge cue for me this year. Huge. 1039 00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,440 I mean if I can break the market over here for like at least 2%, 1040 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,760 I know I'll do quite well. But we're we live in a saturated 1041 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,640 environment here because there's so many people on the Internet, 1042 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,960 on social media that bring that about so much really, really bad 1043 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,400 information, really, really bad information. 1044 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,840 And unfortunately for me, I'm in a I'm a small fish, I'm a small 1045 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,160 fish in a big pond. So I'll be here. 1046 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,920 Yeah, well there's I mean same. Same is true here with regards 1047 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,160 to bad information misinformation. 1048 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,120 There's a lot of good information out there right now. 1049 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,520 But there's I mean you have to wade through so much minutiae to 1050 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,520 find it, man. I mean, there's and there's so 1051 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,200 many people in the in the bodybuilding fitness space that 1052 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,800 are just braggadociously talking about how you can lose weight 1053 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,920 and eat a bunch of junk. Feel like that's like this place 1054 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,720 of pride. For them to be able to show off 1055 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:56,200 6 pack ass but be doing so while holding ice cream and and boxed 1056 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,160 pizza. It's like that's not even the 1057 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,360 right message. Like you don't want to fuel your 1058 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,000 body with that stuff, even if you still look great while you 1059 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,680 do it. Like, there's so much more to 1060 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,120 health than just the physical appearance. 1061 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,320 Exactly. And then when we look at the 1062 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,840 diet and let's say you're on 8020 split and you're eating 1063 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,160 like just 80% good food and you're allowed to have 20% of 1064 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,880 whatever you want. This is why most people struggle 1065 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,640 with the diets because they're eating every couple of hours. 1066 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,320 And then the food that they are eating, because they're on so 1067 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,520 low calories, they're like, Oh my God, I can't wait for that 1068 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,960 next two hours. I have to eat now. 1069 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,920 And this is how people binge. And this is how people get a 1070 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,360 really, really bad relationship with food and then they end up 1071 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,120 getting these massive eating disorders. 1072 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,880 Yeah, totally man. So when you're when you're 1073 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,240 working with clients and you kind of slowly transition to 1074 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:45,800 this keto approach like are they coming to you with any issues of 1075 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,920 like you know quote UN quote keto flu or digestive issues or 1076 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,360 is it pretty much smooth sailing? 1077 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,120 No, it's usually all, it's usually all digestive issues. 1078 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,400 And I can usually see when I speak to these people and these 1079 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,760 people in person, I can see basically what I went through 1080 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,840 that it's not just a weight loss issue. 1081 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,240 It's deeper than that. I mean, everybody has a reason 1082 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:09,680 why they want to lose weight. It's always because I want to 1083 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,160 look this way and I want to look that way. 1084 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,200 But I try and get deep into the minds of people and say, OK, 1085 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,120 listen, why do you want to do this? 1086 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,480 Why do you want to do this? Why do you want? 1087 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,760 And then we when we when we finally break it down and we 1088 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,560 find out the real reason why people want to do it, then 1089 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,760 that's when you know, OK, listen this Pete. 1090 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,240 This person is in this for the for the right reasons. 1091 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,200 The one thing I can't stand is taking somebody on and they're 1092 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,920 like, OK I'm looking to lose like say 20 lbs in a month's 1093 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,200 time. I'm like, listen you're not 1094 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,440 you're not the right person for me. 1095 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,560 I need to I need basically what you want from this. 1096 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,760 Like you need to tell me the reason why you actually want to 1097 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,600 do this. I mean what was the reason. 1098 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,600 I mean, I the idea what an awful lot of women in the health space 1099 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,760 that deal with and they have issues with their their mental 1100 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,920 health or Pecos or thyroid or idea. 1101 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,720 When an awful lot of women that have these issues and when they 1102 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,960 come to me, they're they're getting their labs checked out, 1103 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,240 their doctor, their doctor Saints. 1104 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,520 I'm like, listen, there's nothing wrong with you. 1105 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,880 Everything's fine, everything's good. 1106 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,040 You just keep eating the way you are and everything's grand. 1107 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,560 But they're going home when they're emotional, the scales 1108 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,640 number, the weight and scales going up on their and they're 1109 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,240 looking at them scales and like like I'm eating very, very 1110 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,200 healthy here. Why is this happening to me? 1111 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,400 Why is this happening? And it's it's very, very 1112 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,560 degrading when these people go to a coach and pretty much 1113 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,800 nothing has changed. It's just like you know what, 1114 00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,240 just eat your carbohydrate food, eat every couple of hours and 1115 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,480 it's like, no, that's not what you do. 1116 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,960 And then you try and get these people on and he explains and 1117 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,720 say listen, you've pretty much been been brainwashed. 1118 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,560 I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I know that I can basically try 1119 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,600 and get you out of the hole as quick as possible and try and 1120 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,840 get you off the medication. And when you mention to someone 1121 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,760 and about medication and and say like, listen, I can probably 1122 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,520 help you come off the medication maybe in the next six months 1123 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,080 because you're not a doctor and you haven't got a PhD. 1124 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,960 It's very, very hard to get your point across. 1125 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,720 But I mean, shoot, the results speak for themselves, man. 1126 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,400 I mean, you've got a pretty impressive, impressive, you 1127 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,800 know, client testimonial list on your Instagram. 1128 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,200 So like that speaks volumes right there? 1129 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,600 Absolutely. And that's why I just want to 1130 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,240 keep on working on it. Just, I think at the end of the 1131 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,920 day, results matter. No matter what you say, it's 1132 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,400 just about testimonials. Get people on board, let people 1133 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,920 talk about their their journeys. I've had people now come on the 1134 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,280 podcast and they've literally spoken about their journey and 1135 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,480 it's it's amazing. Listen to these stories because 1136 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,360 it's like you've literally taken someone from a dark space and 1137 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,920 they're coming out the other side and they look great. 1138 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,840 They feel great and it's just, it's just an amazing feeling. 1139 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,320 It's just an amazing feeling, taking someone from that, from 1140 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,240 that space up to another place. That's why we do what we do, 1141 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,920 man. That is why we do what we do. 1142 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,040 I love it. Well, what's in the pipeline for 1143 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,280 you, man? What are you excited about going 1144 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,160 forward? So at the moment I'm just going 1145 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,480 to be focusing on my, on my, on my coaching business. 1146 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,880 I'm working on my app at the moment, so that's going to be 1147 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,240 fixed now, probably around June or July. 1148 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,840 It's taking a bit of time. We're at the moment now. 1149 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,840 Everything's just going really, really well with the coaching 1150 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,720 business. I want to keep doing that and 1151 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,200 let's see where we go from there. 1152 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,800 I love it, man. What? 1153 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:23,920 What is the app you're building out? 1154 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,400 I'm building up an app. It's gonna be all based around 1155 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,240 carnivore, funny enough. And it's gonna be just basically 1156 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,360 all the kind of our training, setups, training intensities, 1157 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,120 and I'll be talking about different types of training and 1158 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,560 different kind of lifestyle. People have these issues when it 1159 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,920 comes to like work lifestyle and family lifestyle. 1160 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,320 So that's where I'll be diving pretty much into and try and 1161 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,640 help people as much as possible on these apps. 1162 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,560 I love it, man. I'm working on an app right now 1163 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,800 too and it's it's quite the undertaking. 1164 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,040 But shoot, man, let me know when yours goes live. 1165 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,480 I'd be happy to get you back on a podcast, promote it and talk 1166 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,920 about it and just kind of see how that's impacted your 1167 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,360 clientele base. It takes an awful lot long time 1168 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,600 to put put the work in. Doesn't. 1169 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,680 It it does, it does. But again, we we got our wives 1170 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,360 figured out. So like when you figure that 1171 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,240 out, you've got intention and purpose throughout your day. 1172 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,080 And that's what I'm worried about. 1173 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,320 Like I'm I don't want to. I don't want to pull it up yet 1174 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,880 until I'm 100% sure and and 100% guarantee it. 1175 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,840 I know it's going to work. Absolutely, man. 1176 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,160 I love it. Well, Mark, it's been a pleasure 1177 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,920 chatting with your brother. I'm super stoked for what you've 1178 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,480 got coming. I'm impressed with what you've 1179 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,000 done thus far and and I'm just excited for what the future 1180 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:33,920 holds, man. So what? 1181 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,960 Where do people go to find out more about you and dive deeper? 1182 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,440 So people can find me on Instagram mainly or on Facebook 1183 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,120 at Fitness Beyond Time 01. Awesome. 1184 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,120 Well, I will certainly link out to that and make it easy for 1185 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,520 people to find you, Mark. Keep killing it, brother. 1186 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,480 If there's everything I can do for you, man, just let me know. 1187 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,000 Thanks very much, Robert. Thanks for the call. 1188 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,080 You bet, man. Take care. 1189 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,360 See. You later, Paul.