1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,200 The basis of the sugar diet, the honey diet, what was found in 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,920 some of the studies was your body produces something called 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,880 FGF 21 and they believe that FGF 21 helps to boost your 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,920 metabolism. The what they saw was what they 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,880 believed to be about a 20% increase in your metabolism. 6 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:22,720 I do think that fructose and carbohydrate can be really 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,280 beneficial. We're talking about glucose, 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,360 right? So just because I'm mentioning 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,760 carbohydrates, I'm talking about dietary carbohydrates, it 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,120 doesn't mean that because you do your style of diet where you're 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,960 doing a ketogenic diet and you're not consuming, you're not 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,280 consuming carbohydrate, you still have glucose. 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,920 One of the reasons why I think it's good idea to look at what 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,800 bodybuilders do is because they do put that muscle mass on and 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,040 they'll lose fat and they'll try to hold on to as much muscle as 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,480 they can for you. Have you noticed if you drive 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,080 your protein up, do you tend to get a little bit better pump? 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,920 How does that work for you I. I get a good pump, more so just 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,080 with electrolyte manipulation, so I can be high fat or high 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,040 protein and the main thing I'm manipulating is the 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,040 electrolytes. I do notice though that if I 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,200 have a super heavy, I mean, I probably had, I don't know, 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,440 probably 400, maybe not four and about 300 grams of protein last 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,000 night for sure. I didn't count that one and I 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,800 noticed that my glucose, you know, significantly increases 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,200 and my ketones drop considerably with a heavy protein meal like 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,960 that. But then it's back to normal the 28 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,320 next day. I think we unfortunately have a 29 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:33,400 tendency to look at things as if they're bad. 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,920 You know, I've heard people kind of recently saying they think 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,880 that, you know, protein and maybe a saturated fat diet can 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,680 cause some type of insulin resistance. 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,080 But but you know, maybe there's like a reason for it. 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,000 And maybe it's like we just tend to think that we we tend to put 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,280 things in a category or we say things for the masses. 36 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,800 That isn't true for like a large subset of people as well. 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,800 You know, sometimes, you know, making a statement like that, 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,120 like that might not be true for you. 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Like your markers of blood and stuff like that might be not 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,560 indicating any of those things. I mean, what's what's been your 41 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,920 experience? Because you coach a lot of 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,800 people with this diet too. What everything needs just 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,960 further defining cause like insulin resistance is a bad 44 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,760 thing, quote UN quote. But I mean, there's a difference 45 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,320 between physiological insulin, insulin resistance and 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,720 pathological insulin resistance. It's like my wife, we just had 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,120 our second kid and pregnant women, you know, appreciate it, 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,200 man. You know, pregnant women, they 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,080 have to take a, you know, glucose test. 50 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,400 They'd give you like 50 or 100 grams of pure, you know, glucose 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,520 to see if you're going to have gestational diabetes. 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,560 And she having not had carbs and almost as long as me would 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,080 technically fail that test. So she just wore glucometer for 54 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,400 two weeks and or CGM rather than past it and flying colors with 55 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,360 that data. But like if your body's 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,560 adaptable, so it's going to make the most of whatever you give 57 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,560 it. And if you're not giving up many 58 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,440 carbs and then those pathways are going to be down regulated. 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,880 But it doesn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you're giving 60 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,720 it the right stuff, you know, from everything else. 61 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,640 So yeah, defining everything is, is key, man. 62 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:09,080 Like people throw labels, social media is bad. 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,800 People just want to go for like the, you know, the the 64 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,800 headlines, the sound bites. I mean, you get shade thrown at 65 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,320 you all the time for the sugar dad stuff especially. 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,040 But I mean, every time I've talked to you been super 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,320 reasonable. You're always just a Guinea pig 68 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,680 self experimenting. And we need that in the world 69 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,880 for the most part, because people need to know what's 70 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,320 possible, and they need to be smart enough to recognize that, 71 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,080 you know, your results may not be the same for everybody, but 72 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,400 you're doing it because you're curious. 73 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,280 And curiosity is a key. And I've done some things in the 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,000 past, you know, I've done even in the, the book I wrote, The 75 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,320 War on Carbs, I talked about like a fat fast and just 76 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,640 primarily like running off fat and just, you know, I guess like 77 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,440 experimenting and see what that'll do for you. 78 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,760 But it can be inconvenient. You know, sometimes things are 79 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,320 out of convenience. And something I shared with 80 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,880 people for years is that some of what I've chosen over the years 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,480 has to do with convenience. I utilized the ketogenic diet 82 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,600 because I didn't want to be tethered to my food. 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,640 I didn't want to have to walk around. 84 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Like at least that was my understanding of bodybuilding 85 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,480 and a bodybuilding style diet. And as I lost weight, I'm like, 86 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,920 forget all this meal prep stuff, man. 87 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,000 I don't want to be any part of that. 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,480 I don't want to, you know, cook up bunch of chicken breast or 89 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,760 whatever it is on Sunday and have that day be shot. 90 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,040 I have two kids, you know, I'd rather be around my family 91 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,960 rather than just sitting there prepping meals all day. 92 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,960 And so I just started to kind of figure out like, well, what 93 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,640 diet's going to work for me that's going to allow me more 94 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,520 distance away from my food. And that for me at the time was 95 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,920 high protein, high fat, because the fat is not only satiating 96 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,720 and satisfying, but it has a delayed response in your body, 97 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,080 takes longer to break down, longer to digest, makes all the 98 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,600 other foods that you're consuming take longer to digest 99 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,120 and so forth as well. So that's the style of diet I 100 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,720 went with and I used to tell people I chose this because it's 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,200 easier and I know that you can take that diet and make it 102 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,680 difficult and you can get ready for a bodybuilding show. 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,240 But most of the time what I saw most bodybuilders do, I was 104 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,640 like, that looks like I don't want to count calories. 105 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,200 I don't want to be like trapped in trying to bring bring around 106 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,600 my 6 pack bags or whatever with all the Tupperware and 107 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,520 everything in there. And I'd rather find something 108 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,200 that's going to allow me to eat a little differently. 109 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,920 So I did those diets for years, and I've been experimenting with 110 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,280 diets pretty much ever since. And even when I did carnivore, 111 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,080 my brother and I went on the Joe Rogan show and we talked about 112 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,920 how we modified the carnivore diet. 113 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,440 And then Rogan was kind of like, well, that's not carnivore 114 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,560 anymore because you're adding in fruit, you know? 115 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,560 And then you got Saladino and some other people kind of found 116 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,880 similar things. It's because you experiment, and 117 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,320 that's why people end up with similar protocols. 118 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,760 So I'm imagining people in the keto world that do a 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,280 bodybuilding style diet, they probably end up having to follow 120 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,840 a lot of your rules and principles because there's not 121 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,600 that many different ways to get like completely shredded when 122 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,000 you're talking about the specifics of a particular diet. 123 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,320 And on the other side of things, when I've done a bodybuilding 124 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,520 show before, I did do a bodybuilding diet and it was 125 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,600 like just cut and dry. Like you're going to do some 126 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,760 cardio, you're going to eat carbs, you're going to lower 127 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,000 your fats and this is how you're going to, this is how you're 128 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,520 going to do it. And when I ask questions, 129 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,840 they're like, Nope, I say, hey, what about? 130 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,000 They're like, Nope, can't do that, can't do intermittent 131 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,680 fasting, can't do this, can't do that. 132 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,680 And so there's a lot of rules associated when you're putting 133 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,040 yourself on the line like that and you're putting yourself on a 134 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,560 stage. But for average people who are 135 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,320 just want to look better, feel good, be lean, I think they have 136 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,560 a lot of options when it comes to different diets that they 137 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,200 want to select. Yeah, 100% agreement. 138 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,880 And I feel like sustainability and convenience go hand in hand. 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,000 And I mean, I used to do the whole bro diet too, like 6-7 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,240 meals a day. I'd carry that came my gym bag, 141 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,960 my book bag in college, and another duffel bag full of 142 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,000 Tupperware. Eat every two or three hours, 143 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,080 just being a slave to the clock. And I didn't like that. 144 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,600 That's why I went keto. And for me, I'm more productive 145 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,640 throughout the day because I can typically have like a fatty 146 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,160 coffee and then maybe a brick or something post work count. 147 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,280 And then I'll be good until dinner and have typically 2 148 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,840 meals a day and not be fixated on food the rest of the day. 149 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,200 And that was liberating. But yeah, you're right when it 150 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,000 comes to like bodybuilding level stage leanness, I mean, when 151 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,080 you're getting sub 5% body fat, like you can't really do that 152 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,320 intuitively because intuition forces you to eat more, you 153 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,520 know? So when you're trying to get to 154 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,360 in human levels of, you know, conditioning, you got to play by 155 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,640 a certain criteria that is not natural. 156 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,560 But nobody in the right mind should argue that that's 157 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,760 healthier, optimal or sustainable long term. 158 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,080 That's why I take two or three years off in between competitive 159 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,800 seasons. Like I don't want to subject my 160 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,560 body to those stressors for too long. 161 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,160 So yeah, that's I mean, it's all about what you want to do. 162 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,720 But people that are just trying to live at a healthy body, 163 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,720 weights, healthy body fat, I mean, they've got all kinds of 164 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,960 options at their fingertips. I think in addition, you know, I 165 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,760 think there's like, I think each person wants to sort of prove 166 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,920 their diet right. You know, no matter how open 167 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,400 minded we are, we want to like prove that our thing works, you 168 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,320 know, So, you know, here I am at 4% body fat or here I am, you 169 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,360 know, at 48 years old, you know, doing these various things. 170 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,039 I really just, I like to encourage people. 171 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,760 I'll, I, I get excited. So when I get excited, I'm going 172 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,760 to talk about something more. But I do think that there are 173 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,679 things that people should consider when they're looking at 174 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,600 certain individuals and what they're doing. 175 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:50,120 Doctor Sean Baker comes to mind. It's like, well, Doctor Baker is 176 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,000 a bad ass. I don't know, you know, if 177 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,720 people been around the guy, man, that guy is extremely 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,760 intelligent. He's fun. 179 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,920 He's also fun. He's fun to talk to. 180 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,200 He's he's kind. He's not a not a Dick. 181 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,720 He may be online, he might be a little bit here and there to the 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,000 vegan people that are mean to him, but he's a good dude. 183 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,160 He's got a good heart and he trains really, really hard. 184 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,240 And then on top of that, I have no reason not to believe him. 185 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,080 He he's a natural guy and he's 65 and he's like 250 and he's 186 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,720 able to jump onto a box. It's like 4142 inches and he's 187 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,080 nearly 60 years old. It's like that guy's got my 188 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,640 attention. You know, like, wait a second, 189 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,120 what is this diet that he's doing? 190 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,240 And not to say that he's proving that his diet works, but at 191 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,000 least it seems like the diets working pretty well for him. 192 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,120 And then he has a subset of people that follow him. 193 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,040 And you see the testimonials about people healing, you know, 194 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,920 their skin and autoimmune disorders. 195 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,760 There's a lot of weight loss as well. 196 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,480 So I just don't think it makes sense to really discredit other 197 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,440 diets. I think what we're all trying to 198 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,520 think, I think we're we're all looking for is a way to eat a 199 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,960 lot but still be in really good shape. 200 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,400 And there's different ways to do that. 201 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,080 What you know, that's what I've discovered because I've done a 202 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,200 lot of different style diets. I haven't done them all, but 203 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,040 I've done a lot of different styles of diet. 204 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:20,040 And the diet that I'm doing now is allowing me to eat a lot of 205 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,760 food and it feels really good. But I also have been in 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,960 situations before where I've done keto style diets, carnivore 207 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,120 diet, where I've eaten a lot of meat, two 3 lbs of meat a day, 208 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:36,400 5-6 eggs every day, some cheese, some bacon. 209 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,400 And it's like, man, that like I right now, I miss a lot of that, 210 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,560 those fats and stuff like that. They are regardless of what they 211 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:48,760 actually do inside the body, we can't deny how satisfying they 212 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,040 are. They tend to like they, they 213 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,920 tend to like scratch and itch. And maybe that's just because we 214 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,440 have so many calories at our fingertips all the time these 215 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,600 days, but man, does it feel good. 216 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,520 Like I one of my favorite things to eat in the world is a keto 217 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,760 brick. And then also I love omelets. 218 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,280 So like if I was going to die, I would be like, hey, get me an 219 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,680 omelette and get me a keto brick and then you could Take Me Out. 220 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,680 All right, No, didn't keto brick omelette man coming up? 221 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,920 Yeah, I feel like people got to look at what they're wanting to 222 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,880 accomplish and then adapt accordingly. 223 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,240 Like there's a lot of people that do diets because they have 224 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,960 the autoimmune issues and that's going to be a limiting factor 225 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,720 from them trying other other options or, you know, 226 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,560 psychologically speaking, people have, you know, negative 227 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,960 relationships with food. Some things are trigger foods. 228 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,200 Like, I used to have really bad OCD and that was motivating for 229 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,600 me to adopt A ketogenic approach. 230 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,360 You got people like Chris Palmer putting out a bunch of research 231 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,520 for, you know, what's happening in the brain with different 232 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,280 types of diets and what's optimal in that regard. 233 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,000 And I think all that has to go into consideration and figure 234 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,080 out what's sustainable. But people need to just not be 235 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,440 dogmatic. And they're thinking either. 236 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Like, I've done multiple different diets. 237 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,600 I did several different diets before I went to keto. 238 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,400 And in the 1011 years I've been keto, I've played around with 239 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,840 multiple variations of keto, but I don't ever want to be like 240 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 living in this information silo that creates this dogmatic 241 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,800 thinking and just backs you into a corner. 242 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 And I feel like some people getting these diet war tribes 243 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,400 and then they're just totally unreceptive to anything and 244 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,440 everything outside of that. I think, you know, we see that 245 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,400 online all the time, especially with you. 246 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,080 I mean, you're typically like, there's this weird outrage 247 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,960 within the keto space right now because the popularity of keto 248 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,320 or of sugar diet rather, because it kind of for whatever reason, 249 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,320 hit a lot of people that were hardcore carnivore. 250 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,480 So then you had these people that were jumping ship and doing 251 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,240 the sugar diet from the carnivore community. 252 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 So you've got the purest, you know, talking smack and you get 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,720 these people that are Guinea pigs doing their thing. 254 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,080 And it's like, to each their own. 255 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,920 Let everybody figure out like some people just have to learn 256 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,520 on their own, and there's nothing wrong with that either. 257 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,800 It might just make you realize that the diet didn't work. 258 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,040 You know, there's a new diet you tried didn't work or did work 259 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,960 and maybe even you try the diet but didn't work for you, but 260 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,400 someone else in your family picks it up and it's effective 261 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,520 for them. You know, there's a lot of 262 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,840 there's a lot of great things that can happen from trying 263 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,680 something new and different as far as like health concerns go. 264 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,240 I mean, I guess you can do something really wacky crazy 265 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,000 with your diet that would make you like sick. 266 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:31,800 And depending on your previous background, maybe depending on 267 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,200 your your liver health and all these different things that you 268 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,720 might that might go into you trying a new protocol. 269 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,240 Those things. I mean, those things can happen. 270 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,000 I mean, if you're coming from a background where you're 271 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,960 diabetic, if you're coming from a background where you have like 272 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,680 fatty liver already and then you're trying something like the 273 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:57,640 sugar diet, you're going to have to do so with knowledge you're 274 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,320 going to have to do so with. Because if you just consume, 275 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,640 even even average person who's used to sugar, if they just 276 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,600 randomly eat a bag of candy, they may not feel well, like 277 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,920 they might not get sick, but they might feel like shit. 278 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,600 But for somebody that already has some issues they could set 279 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,000 because potentially send them into a tailspin, they might 280 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,880 have, you know, end up with really high blood sugar or end 281 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,480 up with really low blood sugar. It really just kind of depends 282 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,720 on the person. And I don't think we've had a 283 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,320 lot of situations before where we've kind of instructed people 284 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,280 to, you know, only eat this, you know, only eat just straight. 285 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,480 It's not really ever straight sugar because there's multiple 286 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,080 sugars in just about everything. There's like, you know, fructose 287 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,720 and glucose and there's, there's all kinds of different shit 288 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,520 going on with almost every single thing. 289 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,240 I guess maybe with the exception of like, well, maybe even high 290 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,880 fructose corn syrup has other, other sugars in it. 291 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,320 But it just you have to be a little bit cautious. 292 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,080 And if you are to mix carbohydrates, it actually gets 293 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,600 to be safer. So if you are to have, let's 294 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,600 say, like a rice cake or something, you know, people 295 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,000 think rice cake, oh, the glycemic index is nuts. 296 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,200 It's off the charts. So maybe it's going to make you 297 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,160 not feel so well. But it is does have rice in it 298 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,120 and it has some sugar. And even if you were to dump 299 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,200 honey on it, you're most likely not going to feel like crap from 300 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,880 eating something like that. Depending on how many of them 301 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,560 you ate though. And then the same thing kind of 302 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,920 goes for like juice. Like most people can have 6 303 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,480 ounces of juice, 8 ounces of juice. 304 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,120 But if you take like 12 ounces of juice and you pour it into a 305 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,520 blender and then you blend up a bunch of fruit with it and then 306 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,440 you dump sugar in there and you eat the whole thing in one 307 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,320 sitting. And, and the amount of time it 308 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,320 takes you to eat a smoothie is pretty short. 309 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,320 And now you might have just ingested 600 grams or 400 grams 310 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,720 of carbohydrate kind of out of nowhere. 311 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,800 And so you have to be, So what I'm saying, you got to go into 312 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,760 these things with knowledge. You have to have some sort of 313 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,840 understanding. It's not, it's good to jump into 314 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,560 things. It's good to try new things. 315 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,240 But then you have to try to do so in a reasonable way. 316 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,920 And you might say to yourself, OK, I'm going to try this. 317 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,440 But like, I haven't had 75 grams of carbs and it's sitting in 318 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,600 three years. OK, well then let's start with, 319 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,520 I don't know, 50 grams of carbohydrate. 320 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,640 See how you feel and then you can start to go from there, but 321 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,320 just be kind of cautious whether you're jumping into keto or 322 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,920 jumping into this diet. I think there, I think it's good 323 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,280 that people have the conjecture. I think it's good that people 324 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,720 talk trash. I think it's good that people 325 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,920 get a little angry. I think, I think we should, I 326 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,400 think we should be some, some, you know, red lights should be 327 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,480 going off when somebody's talking about doing something 328 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,400 that you haven't really heard anybody else talk about before. 329 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,800 Because you're like, well, why this guy? 330 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Why did this guy discover this thing that no one else knows 331 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,240 about? And how come everyone else is 332 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,760 talking completely opposite of what this guy's saying? 333 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,200 So I think a lot of that caution is actually a good thing. 334 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,360 So survive. It's the survival thing. 335 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,560 Yeah. No, I think like I like being a 336 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,599 contrarian with certain because there's not many people doing 337 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,240 bodybuilding with a ketogenic approach. 338 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,000 So I'm kind of a contrarian in that regard. 339 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,520 And I liked doing the opposite of what standard wisdom always 340 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,960 was kind of preaching. I like controlling for 341 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,839 variables. So I can kind of tease out what 342 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,319 is the actual catalyst for change and what, what's the 343 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:25,880 moving piece here that's moving the needle. 344 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,000 So on that note, like with you having done because you you 345 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,160 weren't tracking your macros at all while while you've been in 346 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,000 the sugar now you've been in there for about 6 months now. 347 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,760 I've been doing about six months and I've only tracked a little 348 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,120 bit just using like ChatGPT and just, you know, going back and 349 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:44,880 forth with that. And I would say, you know, 600 350 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,480 to 1000 grams of carbohydrate, maybe a maybe 1000 is only 351 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,880 something I've done a couple times, but maybe 600 to 800 352 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,920 grams of carbohydrate. Protein was like 100 and 5000 353 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,040 maybe per day ish. And then fat was just like, try 354 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,680 not to eat any. So maybe 30 grams of fat in a 355 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,520 day, depending on how much meat I ate in that day or if I ate 356 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,400 meat at all, because there's some days where I didn't, I 357 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,240 didn't consume anything other than the simple. 358 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Sugars. And so from a total caloric 359 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,680 congestion standpoint, is that about what you were consuming 360 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,640 because you were doing pretty much carnivore prior to this 361 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,960 experiment, right? My, my body's wired pretty good. 362 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,360 You know, I'm going to get the calories like my bot, Like it's 363 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:35,880 just I, yeah, if I, if I don't eat enough, then the next couple 364 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,840 days I'm I'm so I'm just ravenously hungry. 365 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,120 So my body is calibrated for probably around 3000 to 3500 366 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,480 calories somewhere in that neighborhood. 367 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Yeah, that's typically what I'm doing as well. 3300 or so is my, 368 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,000 my average this I go to Brazilian steak gas and it might 369 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,720 be a little higher, but I was, I was looking at a lot of the 370 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,440 research because I just did a A2 week stint of a similar FGF 21 371 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,840 protocol, but with incredibly high fat and very, you know, 372 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,480 minimal protein, minimal carbohydrates. 373 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,320 Because some assume that the, the efficacy of the sugar diet 374 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,080 is by way more so of the lack of protein. 375 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,800 So like, I think throughout that experiment, I was consuming less 376 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,640 than 9% of my calories coming from protein, which is pretty 377 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,320 low, even though I've often times played around with lower 378 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,840 protein. So do you think the findings 379 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,960 that you've had have been more so a result of the high sugar or 380 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,840 just minimal protein compared to what you're typically consuming? 381 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,840 I think for me personally, because of my background with 382 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,680 mainly eating less carbohydrate, I think that the carbs were 383 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,480 really helpful. I can't say that would be true 384 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,640 of everybody else, but yeah, the basis of the sugar diet, the 385 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:53,000 honey diet, some of this stuff got kicked around and, and, and 386 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,160 boosted up from all kinds of different spots. 387 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,960 You know, some people believe it's from some of Ray Pete's 388 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,520 work and Ray Pete was into. Talking about, you know, ways to 389 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,520 increase the metabolic rate that didn't include necessarily like 390 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,640 lifting, just included like what you ate, which I think that that 391 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,880 is, that in of itself is really fascinating to me. 392 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,320 I have not really heard many people talk about that. 393 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,240 It's normally like somebody wants to lose weight. 394 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,800 You find a base calorie intake, maybe some coaches take people 395 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,720 up on calories a little bit for a couple weeks or a month and 396 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,200 then they start to bring them back down. 397 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,840 And we always just adhere to this thing of like the calories 398 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,880 are going to have to be a lot lower. 399 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,040 But with this diet, what was found in some of the studies 400 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,400 was, and there's not a lot of studies, I think there's only 401 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,440 one human study and then there's a couple studies on mice. 402 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,760 What they think is happening is your body produces something 403 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,960 called FGF 21 and they believe that FGF 21 helps to boost your 404 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,960 metabolism. The, what they saw was what they 405 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,000 believed to be about a 20% increase in your metabolism. 406 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,800 That's quite a, that's quite a bit, if that's truly what's 407 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,680 happening. I, I don't think anybody truly 408 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,920 knows whether this is exactly what's going on in the body, but 409 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,680 at least in accordance to that study and probably in accordance 410 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,000 to some of the people that have had success on the sugar diet, 411 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,880 maybe that is what's happening. I do think that fructose in 412 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,400 certain amounts, I think can be really, and carbohydrate can be 413 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,000 really beneficial to having the body kind of keep this, you 414 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,160 know, flame, if you will, of keeping the body temperature 415 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,600 maybe a little bit hotter. I don't have anything to support 416 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,000 that. It's just a theory of mind. 417 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,480 I know again, if you go back to repeat, he was really big on 418 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,640 having people measure their. He would have people use a 419 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,360 thermometer in the morning to measure their, yeah, measure 420 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,640 their temperature. And he was saying that people 421 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,840 should be a little bit higher than, I think what 98.6 is 422 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,080 what's usually recommended. And he was saying like they 423 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,280 should be a little bit higher. And he help people figure that 424 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,280 out via not just carbohydrate in particular, but even more 425 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,320 specifically like dairy and a bunch of other things because 426 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,800 the calcium and those kinds of things can help your thyroid 427 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,720 stimulating hormone. I believe I may have some of 428 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,600 this wrong. I'm not like I'm not crazy into 429 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,880 the repeat stuff, but I'd know a little bit about it. 430 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,400 So these are all things that people kind of have proposed. 431 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,400 But yeah, I do think that carbohydrates, at least in my 432 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,680 experience so far, in my experience, when I did do a 433 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,600 bodybuilding show, they seem to increase some sort of thermic 434 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,080 effect for me. And again, sometimes it might be 435 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,840 hard to tell with me because even when I did do a 436 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,400 bodybuilding diet, I was still coming from a keto diet. 437 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,520 So I did a bodybuilding style diet for like 10 weeks, you know 438 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,800 what I'm saying? But I had a preload of, of 439 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960 being, I guess you'd say, like metabolically flexible. 440 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,560 I also have been a person that even in my keto dieting, I have 441 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,280 used carbohydrates maybe a little bit more like Dominic 442 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Dagostino, where I didn't always just flatline my carbohydrates. 443 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,600 So yeah, that's some of my, that's some of my history. 444 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,120 But I do think the carbohydrates were were helpful and supposedly 445 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:25,440 they boost FGF 21 as well but I don't really know. 446 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,000 Yeah, everything. I mean, like I said, there's not 447 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,360 a whole lot of studies. Everything I've read up on it, 448 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,000 there was a study done in 2025 S this year looking at 449 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,120 participants and they were not trying to lose weight 450 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:39,760 necessarily. They just had, they found that 451 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,960 they needed to increase calories by like 20% or whatever to just 452 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,200 maintain weight, but they were doing by it by way of minimal 453 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,360 protein consumption to also boost FGF 21 hormone. 454 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,080 That's kind of what I modeled my experiment off of because I'm 455 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,280 not trying to lose weight right now either. 456 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,880 So I basically went up to 4000 plus calories and then 9% of 457 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,080 which were coming from protein. And over the two weeks span, 458 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,080 like I didn't really gain any weight. 459 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,840 That's not very much time, but my testosterone more than 460 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,520 doubled, which I thought was super interesting. 461 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,320 Yeah. So I'd be curious to see if the 462 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,920 same experiment was done with the higher carbohydrate relative 463 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,480 to fat, but also minimal protein, what its effect on 464 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,320 hormones would be. And I didn't test for FGF 121 465 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,400 specifically, obviously, so I don't know there. 466 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,640 But it did make me think, OK, if we can elevate that by way of 467 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,840 the minimal protein in a short term, you're having a favorable 468 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,960 effect on sex hormones and metabolic rate. 469 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280 That can be advantageous if you're in a prep or if you're 470 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,120 trying to like cycle that in during a building phase or 471 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,000 something like that. So I've got my client that's in 472 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,400 a prep right now doing that this week actually. 473 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,960 So we're kind of see what the the data shows afterwards. 474 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,920 But but yeah, I'd be, I don't know, man. 475 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,520 Like I'm all about longevity as well. 476 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,720 Like, what can I do and stick with for a lifetime? 477 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,200 And I feel like the low protein, I don't think we need as much 478 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,040 protein as often as you know, suggestion because proteins kind 479 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,080 of seeing its limelight Halo days right now. 480 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Everybody's pushing for more and more protein. 481 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,640 I think you can and should use it as a lever to pull, But I 482 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,560 mean that 9% of calories coming from protein. 483 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,840 For me that was like less than 100 grams a day which probably 484 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,760 wouldn't be optimal long term. You know, I think, you know, if 485 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,000 you're think about like our history, it's not always good to 486 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,920 like dive into our ancestry because like people just ate 487 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,800 whatever they could eat to like stay alive, you know, and we 488 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,360 stayed alive doing a lot of weird stuff. 489 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,440 You know, being drunk is one of them or being high is another 490 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,120 one. You know, like we, we figured 491 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:44,200 out ways to stay alive, you know, through alcohol and 492 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,040 through coffee and think things that I don't know, things that 493 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,360 are like you wouldn't really not necessarily recognize like being 494 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,960 healthy. But I think that if you're to 495 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,920 think about it, you know, why would, why would there be any 496 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,480 increase in anything in your body if you're not eating 497 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,200 protein? And my only guess would be that 498 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,720 maybe somehow your body's trying to sequester some sort of energy 499 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,880 to give you like a, a second wind, if you will give you more 500 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,240 energy, supply you with energy, allow you to liberate more 501 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,360 energy off of your body so that you can still go and get 502 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,960 protein. Because you, you maybe had to 503 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,720 hunt for it. You had to kill something. 504 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600 But all you're getting is like these little shrubs and little 505 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,440 berries a little bit here and there. 506 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,240 And you're just, you're barely surviving and you're about to 507 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,080 die. You're on day five of the sugar 508 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,480 diet, you know, 1000 years ago and you're withering down to 509 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,960 nothing. And maybe the metabolic rate 510 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,560 does increase a little bit too, because sometimes when you get 511 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,440 hungrier, right, your focus can increase some, some of us know 512 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,160 this from doing fasting or intermittent fasting or even 513 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,760 being on a ketogenic diet, which sometimes can mimic some of the 514 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,560 results of, of fasting. And you get your, your brain 515 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,520 starts to get like wired in and focused in. 516 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,640 And so maybe it was something that would, you know, help us to 517 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,280 make a last ditch effort to get, to get more food or get more 518 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,600 protein. That's kind of the only thing I 519 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,920 can think of as to like why the body would do it. 520 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,800 But I think the human body is so tricky, you know, and I've 521 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,400 always been kind of touting like, I think it's a mistake to 522 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,680 try to science the body. I think the body is more 523 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,800 beautiful and more it's harder to define than we can even 524 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,880 possibly imagine. Like we have a hard time 525 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,280 defining it now. We had a guest on the show the 526 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,600 other day talking about like fascia and talking about these 527 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,680 different parts of the body and your, your big toe and your, 528 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,840 your, your, your planter fascia and your, and your heel and your 529 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,680 Achilles tendon. He's like, everything's all just 530 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,080 one thing. Like your fascia is just this 531 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,360 like big sack is everything's just like one thing, but we have 532 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,600 to call things a bunch of different names so that we know 533 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,880 what the hell we're talking about. 534 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,120 And he said the ocean is the same way. 535 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,400 You know, there's, there's seven oceans, but they're all, they're 536 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,600 all connected at some point. And so there, it's really just 537 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,600 one, it's just one giant body of water, what we call Atlantic, 538 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Pacific, Indiana and so forth to give us locations to try to give 539 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 us things to describe. And I think the human body is 540 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,520 complex that way too, where it's hard to know when somebody comes 541 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,000 online and they say, hey, this is, this is what I'm doing, this 542 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,200 diet that I'm doing and it's really working great for me. 543 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,720 We don't know the other changes that may have happened in that 544 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,600 person's life. First of all, I mean, they could 545 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,160 be on TRT, which they they never mentioned, right? 546 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,400 So that's, you know, that's an obvious one. 547 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,920 But they also could have had just a really big change in 548 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,520 life. Maybe they never really dieted 549 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280 before. Maybe they never had much of A 550 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,680 diet protocol and now they finally found one that they can 551 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,280 actually stick to. And so the results of that 552 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,800 ketogenic diet or high carb, low fat diet that they just did, it 553 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,120 really had a huge impact on them, not so much because of the 554 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,400 diet. It had a huge impact on them 555 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,920 because they could actually stick to it. 556 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:24,040 So it's really hard to get the right context and to figure out 557 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040 who the hell is actually talking about what and what does it 558 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,600 mean? We hear a lot of talk about 559 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,080 vitamin D and then you're like, well, are we talking about like 560 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280 the vitamin D that's naturally in your body from getting 561 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,920 sunlight? Are we talking about the 562 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,880 supplement vitamin D? Hear the same thing about 563 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120 creatine. Like you can go in the gym and 564 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880 do creatine like workouts and have your brain go on fire from 565 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,120 doing explosive movements and training yourself to be more and 566 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200 more explosive over time. I would say that beats the hell 567 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,760 out of anything you're going to do longevity wise in taking a 568 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840 creatine supplement. I mean, it's just going to blow 569 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,440 that. There's not even close. 570 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,640 And the same thing with the vitamin D thing. 571 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840 It's like, get outside, you know? 572 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,720 So it's very hard to like sort of break all these things down 573 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,760 and try to figure out where is any of it coming from. 574 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,040 And on top of that, there's monetary gain that can be 575 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,480 associated with a lot of these things. 576 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360 So it makes it even more difficult to figure out. 577 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,040 Yeah. No, it's, I mean, you're a 578 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,440 performance athlete, performance athlete where we're trying to 579 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,600 figure out how to solve for that, you know, last 1% and just 580 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,760 reach that next level. And that kind of breaks all the 581 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400 rules and the things that we do, we wouldn't necessarily 582 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,320 recommend for the masses. But like, I feel like there 583 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,560 should be, I mean, look at other species in the wild, like they 584 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,600 know what to eat, they know how much to eat. 585 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,120 Like you don't see these massive windows of ultra scrawny and 586 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,600 like massively overweight, you know, different animal species, 587 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320 but you see it in humans. And it makes me think, OK, 588 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,680 we're, we're so far removed from, you know, being in tune 589 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,200 with our body. What are what are natural call 590 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,520 to hunger and satiety and the foods we should eat is, and that 591 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680 we've just bastardized it completely and we're all running 592 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,200 around not knowing what to consume. 593 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,200 So I feel like we need to kind of hone in on what is the 594 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,120 species appropriate diet for human beings. 595 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,520 And we are credibly adaptable so we can get away with eating all 596 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,040 kinds of shit. But like, most of the population 597 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240 is not going to dive into the weeds on the research. 598 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,520 They're going to be doing the extreme lifting protocol. 599 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,840 So what does the masses need to move the needle in the right 600 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,000 direction? Because right now, it's 601 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,920 certainly not headed in the right direction. 602 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,960 In modern times, I think we need to probably, we probably need to 603 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:43,080 use modern stuff, you know, So I think that, you know, as much as 604 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,440 I don't like all the different tracking, you know, some of it 605 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,440 drives me nuts because that's all people rely on. 606 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,920 And then they're not like, again, like sciencing the body. 607 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,600 I just, I makes me sad really. I, I'd, I'd rather people not be 608 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,880 so hooked into that. But then if they're not hooked 609 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,640 into that, then the day gets away from them and then the next 610 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,120 day gets away from them and so on. 611 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,320 And they don't get their steps and they don't get their 612 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880 movement in their sleep starts to fall off because they're not 613 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,880 tracking their sleep scores anymore And everything just kind 614 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,960 of falls apart. I've seen this happen with a lot 615 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,000 of people and when they have those metrics to look at often 616 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,160 then it it's for some people it's helpful. 617 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,640 And then they can say, OK, yeah, I was off my calories last, you 618 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,480 know, last couple weeks, you know, I, I went off the rails 619 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,480 and, and did AB and C. And so I think that sometimes 620 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,960 those things can be helpful. But what I mean by using like 621 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,120 modern technology is, and I'm not trying to just sell your 622 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,080 product, but like is to use a keto brick, like use modern 623 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,960 technology, utilize a steak shake, utilize a total carnivore 624 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,160 shake, utilize some of these hydration items that are out 625 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,200 there from various companies because it makes things more 626 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,760 convenient. And if we're going to beat, if 627 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040 we're, if we're going to, if we're going to beat and defeat 628 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,080 obesity, we need to, I used to kind of think we need to beat it 629 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,800 by like turning the clock back, You know, we need to go back to 630 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,760 the basics and back to this and that. 631 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,320 And yes, some of that's true, but I think that the more the 632 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080 more we can use modern technology, probably the better 633 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,480 off we are just because things are so sideways. 634 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,960 And yes, we do need to recalibrate our taste buds and 635 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,040 we need to recalibrate our hunger signals. 636 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,560 But for now, it's like, man, a lot of people really need these 637 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,840 GLP ones. Like people are in like a lot of 638 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,920 danger. People are in a lot of trouble. 639 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040 And I wish they didn't necessarily need these things, 640 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,680 but I think that's just where we're at. 641 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280 And so like, what are other examples of like modern stuff? 642 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,080 Well, let's get some good modern shoes on so that we can get in a 643 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,600 lot of steps every day so we don't hurt our feet, our knees, 644 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440 our back and our hips. And then like, what's a good 645 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,080 shoe? Have fun going down that rabbit 646 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800 hole. Because that's a long story too. 647 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,040 Like everything is, everything's so commercialized and everything 648 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,840 is for sale. So it makes it really hard. 649 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,960 What's a healthy food? Like, shit, man, I, I, I don't 650 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,520 even know what strength is anymore. 651 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,320 That's how screwed up things are from seeing so many different 652 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,639 images of strength now with the Internet and seeing people 653 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,840 demonstrate forms of gymnastics or forms of sprinting or 654 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,679 explosive power in other ways that isn't just a bench, squat 655 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,280 and deadlift. You know, when I was a kid, that 656 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,880 was my world. That's all I knew. 657 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,360 I didn't know anything different. 658 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,719 And now we have the Internet and you show shows you like, Oh, 659 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,520 there's other, there's completely other aspects of 660 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,360 strength, there's completely other aspects of nutrition and, 661 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,679 and all these things. And I so I think utilizing some 662 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:51,280 modern technology, the fact that you can just go to any grocery 663 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560 store or gas station and get fruit, I think is great. 664 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,960 I think eating fruit is an awesome opportunity to not eat 665 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,760 any fat. I think the same thing of 666 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,840 vegetables. I think the same thing of very 667 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,360 lean sources of protein, although some lean sources of 668 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,800 protein, you come with at least some fat. 669 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,480 But for somebody that wants to go down that, that style of 670 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,600 diet, that's great news that there's not any fat in some of 671 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,720 these things because they are, they're lower in overall 672 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,600 calories and it's going to supply you with a nice amount of 673 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,360 energy. And when you're eating fruit and 674 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,800 eating Whole Foods, I think almost all of us can agree that 675 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,040 a lot of the Whole Foods are critical. 676 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440 And I that's a form of technology. 677 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,520 That's the fact that it's at every grocery store is a thing 678 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,480 of modern technology. The fact that you can just go 679 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,320 buy chopped up chicken breasts that are in a package is like a 680 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,600 big form of like modern technology. 681 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,840 And so I it would be great if people went and haunted their 682 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,400 own food and stuff like that. But like that stuff's not going 683 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,760 to that. Like we'll never be back. 684 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,440 Well, never say never, but we most likely won't be back to 685 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,680 those situations. And so I think we need to 686 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,800 embrace some of these companies, like my friend Ron Penna, he 687 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,800 owns Legendary Foods and they're trying to make these, these 688 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,320 protein products that are like lower in carbohydrate and and 689 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,760 moderate to modest in the, in the amount of fat that are 690 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360 that's in them. And he's trying to make them 691 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,680 like 50% protein. It's like, man, if we make 692 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,840 something that's 50, if we ought to make a pop Tart that's 50% 693 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,800 protein and tastes really good, It's like, how are you still 694 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,800 going to be fat? You know, if, if someone can 695 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,680 figure out shit like that, I don't think that's our only 696 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,240 solution. I just think it's part of the 697 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,480 solution because then you get people to start to buy into 698 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,160 other forms, other ideas of nutrition and other ideas of 699 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,840 cleaning up their diet. They know they just can't eat a 700 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,160 keto brick all day. They know they can't just drink 701 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,640 my protein powders all day. They have to have real food 702 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080 that's going to encourage the body. 703 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,680 Precisely on, you know, how much to eat and all these things. 704 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,000 We need good amounts of protein to help lower our, our satiation 705 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600 and, and all these things. But I think, again, I think 706 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,200 modern technology is going to be a really key factor to kind of 707 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,480 help us get out of the situation that we're in because it's 708 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,760 pretty nasty. Yeah, I think the technology 709 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,760 will certainly help with the convenience factor. 710 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,040 I think it has to be convenient for it to be applicable to the 711 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,960 masses. And I would love to think, you 712 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,400 know, from a purist standpoint, that people would be motivated 713 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160 to get their food from the right sources and, you know, put in 714 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,480 some leg work to figure out where their food comes from and, 715 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,880 you know, vote with their dollar in that regard. 716 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,400 Because I mean, me, like I do that. 717 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,520 I know a lot of other people do that. 718 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,520 Like you get quality beef from Piedmont tea is like, we care 719 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,880 about that stuff. I mean, I'm, I'm in Northwest 720 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520 Arkansas, so I'm like headquarters of Tyson chicken. 721 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,120 And I see those chicken trucks driving all day long. 722 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960 And it's like, I don't want to support that with my money. 723 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,880 Like I want to find a local farmer, rancher, hunt my own 724 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,040 food or be self-sufficient as possible and help local 725 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,040 community. But I don't know that there's 726 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,480 enough people to think that way to move the needle on a broad 727 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,760 scale. Probably not. 728 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,680 But I think too, I mean like, like humans are motivated for 729 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,360 vanity purposes. And I'm confused as to why more 730 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,600 people aren't motivated to get healthy and eat rights and be 731 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,920 more active. Simply be by way of not wanting 732 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,200 to look like a slob and feel like a slob. 733 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,800 Because I mean, morbidly obese isn't really attractive from a 734 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,120 vanity standpoint. So I don't know why that hasn't 735 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,200 motivated more people to move in the right direction. 736 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,800 I don't know. And it's what's in everybody, 737 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,840 you know, like somebody who's 400 lbs, they see someone who's 738 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,280 in shape and they could agree with other people that that's 739 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,320 attractive. And they also understand that 740 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,320 the, the, the, they also understand that they don't at 741 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,800 400 lbs, they understand that that other people aren't going 742 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,080 to find them attractive for the most part. 743 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,960 You know, hopefully there's somebody for everybody. 744 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,200 But you know what I'm talking about it, it's like in our, you 745 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,760 know, what's what's found attractive amongst men or what's 746 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,840 found attractive amongst women. It's like embedded in our, in 747 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,720 our DNAI mean, sometimes you look at your wife and because 748 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,680 she'll say like, oh, that guy is hot or something, You'll be 749 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680 like, huh. Because like you and I might not 750 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,440 be able to recognize it right away, but women, the women sure 751 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,480 do. And so do guys. 752 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,040 But guys are like we're we're a little bit more carefree with 753 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,120 how many women we might say are hot because we we want a larger, 754 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,360 a large, larger pool of opportunity, I guess you'd say. 755 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,000 But yeah, it is interesting because I think all of us have 756 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,320 like a lot of fight in US. I actually think that all human 757 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,440 beings have like a a God like feature within them. 758 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,280 Like they have. I think we have that much power. 759 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,040 We have that much strength. It's just that like sometimes 760 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,600 you got to get pressed up against the corner to really, 761 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,800 and people have to be compromised. 762 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,360 They have to really be compromised. 763 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,720 You know, you ever have that buddy who's like, man, I don't 764 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,280 know what I did to my shoulder, but. 765 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,120 It's just killing me and it hurts every week, every time I 766 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,680 bench press. And you're like, hey, why don't 767 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,320 you maybe just not bench press for a few weeks, rehab the 768 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,600 shoulder a little and there they are. 769 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,320 They're still, they're still doing the same thing over and 770 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,960 over again. It's because their their 771 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,240 shoulder actually doesn't hurt enough for them to do anything 772 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,200 about it. Like, oh, you should go to my 773 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,320 buddy and you give him, you give him the number of your like your 774 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,520 chiropractor or your friend that does body work. 775 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,760 And like, Oh yeah, they fixed my elbow and they fixed my knee and 776 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560 I went for like 3 sessions and it wasn't that expensive and it, 777 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,840 you know, kind of hurts, but it got rid of it. 778 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,840 A person's not going to go until they're compromised enough. 779 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,320 And I've heard they've, they've had some studies before where 780 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:56,720 people need to have three near death scares before they end up 781 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,800 considering like a full on intervention of before they 782 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960 consider on their own to make a big change. 783 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,840 And that that's the same with like drug addicts. 784 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,560 That's the same with people that are addicted to food. 785 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,920 So you may have heard of your uncle, you know, he had, you 786 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,560 know, unfortunately he had to go to the emergency room. 787 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,760 He had shortness of breath and he's got something going on, but 788 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,600 then he never gets it checked out any further. 789 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,960 He doesn't, you know, and you could recommend stuff to him and 790 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,640 say, Oh my God, you, you know, I, I listen to Peter Itia's 791 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,360 podcast and here's like a bunch of things you can do. 792 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,600 And he's going to have to get sick again. 793 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,960 He's going to have to get sick again. 794 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,720 And unfortunately, when it comes to something like a heart 795 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,840 attack, a lot of people just have one and that's it. 796 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,280 So you don't get second and third chances with some of 797 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,520 these, some of these like life threatening things that could be 798 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,320 happening to us. So I think it's like, I guess 799 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,040 people are so far removed from stuff that they don't know or 800 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,240 remember, you know, what it feels like to, you know, do a 801 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:07,240 couple pull ups or hit a baseball when you're 7 or 8 802 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,160 years old and how good it feels to run and Sprint to first base 803 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:16,400 or how good it felt to, you know, just play kickball in in 804 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,640 PE in school or whatever it might be. 805 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,200 I think it's just people like 20-30 years removed from that. 806 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,640 And now they're so big and they're in a lot of pain. 807 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,000 And I think the kind of the last thing on their mind is like, you 808 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,320 know, going to the gym to understand what a commitment it 809 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,440 is. And I don't blame them because 810 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,560 it is a commitment. The gym is a real bastard and, 811 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,160 and takes many hours of time for you to be able to get a lot of 812 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,000 the results that you're looking for. 813 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,880 And exercise seems very bleak. You know, I think some of the 814 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360 reports and some of the information about exercise I 815 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,800 think is a little bit on the low end. 816 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,840 Or they'll say, you know, it only makes like a 5 or 10% 817 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,680 difference and stuff like that. I think I think it makes a 818 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,440 bigger difference, especially over time. 819 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,280 And I think it helps with adherence all the way through 820 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520 with the rest of your life because it causes a cascade of 821 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,920 disciplines to happen. But I do understand why people 822 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,320 like why people don't do it because they're still on the 823 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,520 other side and it's just overwhelming. 824 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,840 They're like, man, this whole thing seems completely 825 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,320 overwhelming. I got a lift and then I got to 826 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,120 do like the special shopping with my food and like you and I 827 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,720 might say like, no, no, it's not really that way, but it is 828 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,880 actually really that way. Like this is a massive overhaul. 829 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,800 This is you changing basically everything about yourself. 830 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,960 Even though it really we're really just talking about food 831 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,200 and really just talking about you changing out the type of 832 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,600 pleasure that you're engaging in, you're still going to have 833 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,520 pleasureful food. And that's why it's great to 834 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,120 have options with diet because you can do a keto style diet or 835 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,680 you can do a high carb, a high carb, low fat style diet. 836 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,640 And you can get, you can pick a flavor that you want, like which 837 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,000 side do you kind of want to be on? 838 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,120 Or if you want, you could even be in the middle. 839 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,400 But then you have to count calories all the time, and that 840 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,280 might be too meticulous for some people. 841 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,760 Yeah, I feel like it's kind of is like a standard issue. 842 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,360 Like our what has been deemed socially acceptable as a 843 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,720 standard has gotten so LAX over the years that there's no really 844 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,000 sense of embarrassment in society because like you and I 845 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480 have high personal standards for ourselves. 846 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,760 We have high individual standards. 847 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,880 Like if you put on 30 lbs of pure fat, you would be deemed 848 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,920 socially acceptable in society. You would probably still have 849 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,640 pretty solid health markers. Like you wouldn't be shamed for 850 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,080 that. Like you would beat yourself up 851 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,840 internally. But from a society standpoint, 852 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680 you're looking pretty good still. 853 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,560 And I feel like as individuals, we've kind of gravitated more 854 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,160 towards the socially acceptable standard as opposed to doubling 855 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,160 down on our higher individual standards. 856 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,600 And for that reason, people have just let themselves go more 857 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,880 freely, which is unfortunate. But I don't know how to spark 858 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,280 that in people to double down on what they're capable of and 859 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,880 their own their own personal standards. 860 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,360 I feel like we all need to hold ourselves. 861 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,280 I mean, we, we do have an incredible body. 862 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,600 We have one that's our fortress, our temple, whatever you want to 863 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,560 call it, that's our meat sack for walking around during our 864 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,080 lifetime. And then it's over and done 865 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,920 with. It's gone. 866 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,640 And I feel like we, we don't give that the credit it's due 867 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,560 and we don't treat it as we should. 868 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,160 And it it's enforcement takes 3 near death experiences for 869 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,880 people to wake up to the fact that that's not sustainable. 870 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,000 I, I would like to see a lot of things change, but I don't, I 871 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,520 just don't think that they will like, I don't understand why 872 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,240 there's like such an association with like your dentist. 873 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,560 Like most people that have insurance that like give a shit 874 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,200 about their teeth. They go to the dentist like 875 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,400 twice a year. And what about your kids? 876 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,000 Kids go to the dentist twice a year, right? 877 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,480 But how come there's no other, there's no other medical 878 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,440 intervention at all. I mean, if you have kids and you 879 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,200 give a shit about your kids, like you'll take him to the 880 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,240 doctor for checkups and stuff like that here and there, but 881 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,480 it's not the same. The dentist is twice a year. 882 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,320 They check your teeth twice a year like clockwork. 883 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,720 Every once in a while you miss an appointment and you got to 884 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:21,560 either reschedule it or you'll see them a year from now rather 885 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,080 than six months from now. But I don't understand why it's 886 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,440 not routine to just go and communicate with the doctor when 887 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,000 you're 171819202325. It should be. 888 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,840 It's maybe a little bit more. You'll see it a little bit more 889 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,640 from women because women with like birth control and like 890 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,000 various things. But yeah, it's just, it's it's 891 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,440 crazy how absent that is. And I'm not saying that doctors 892 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:56,320 are like the answer or anything necessarily, but it's great to 893 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,600 have some sort of some sort of conversation with somebody that 894 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,680 is trained medically to give you some advice. 895 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,720 I mean, even if they just weigh you and tell you like, hey, 896 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,080 you're 40 lbs overweight or you're 20 lbs overweight now, 897 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,680 they might prescribe you a bunch of stuff and you might not like 898 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,920 that. But hopefully that still leads 899 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,520 to some sort of change where you say, oh man, like I, this guy's 900 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,880 prescribing me statins and I'm only 38. 901 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,400 I don't know if I need those. But like instead of like just 902 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,680 instead of only taking the drug, I'm going to take the doctor's 903 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,440 advice. You know, hopefully he's has 904 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,040 sound advice. I'm going to take his advice. 905 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,520 So I'm going to start an exercise regimen along with it, 906 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,480 You know what I mean? Like, and so I would love to see 907 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,320 some of those changes happen. It does seem like people are 908 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,360 starting to get their blood work done more often. 909 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,400 And that's a pretty good move in the right direction. 910 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,720 But I think that that's still on the newer side of things. 911 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,680 And like, there's probably just, we probably need to continue to 912 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,360 learn more, but man, how great would it be if like if it was 913 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,520 just standard and the standard blood work that you might get 914 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,040 from a regular doctor is usually not very good. 915 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,360 They're just going to check like your cholesterol and like they 916 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,520 don't really check much of anything else. 917 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,080 So there's just seems like there's, there needs to be so 918 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,680 much intervention that it's crazy. 919 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,640 But I think where it all starts is it starts with parenting. 920 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,960 And unfortunately parents to suck. 921 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,680 They're really bad at it. There's so much neglect going on 922 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,800 in this country that it's just like, it's completely 923 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,840 unbelievable. And I think neglect is the most 924 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,120 hurtful thing out of everything. Because if you're only in the 925 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,880 other room and you're not paying attention to me, that's more, 926 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,960 I'd rather, you know, I'd rather have somebody beat me every day 927 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,640 than to like be there all the time but not actually be there 928 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,200 for me. And I think that's what we're 929 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,400 seeing in society right now. And I know that's probably like 930 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,400 a bold statement, but neglect is really hurtful. 931 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:05,040 I mean, most people that I talked to that as an adult, a 932 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,680 lot of times it's what the parent didn't do for them and 933 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,360 it's not what the parent did to them. 934 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,720 I have friends where their dad beat the shit out of him every 935 00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:13,640 day. And there's some guys that are 936 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,160 like, yeah, my dad just didn't know how to show love and he 937 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000 drank too much. But I have other friends that 938 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,200 are really hurt and they can't, they can't get out of their own 939 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,880 way these days. And it's because their dad never 940 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,400 congratulated them them. It's because their dad never 941 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,560 told them that they did a job, you know, a job well done. 942 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,720 It's because they're it's because her dad was like their 943 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,920 ish, but just neglected them. And there's so many kids 944 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,640 neglected and they're just like on their tablet or on their or 945 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,400 on their phone and no one's kind of, there's no one leading by 946 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,760 example showing them what a healthy lifestyle looks like. 947 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,280 And a lot of times what I see from a lot of people is people 948 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,160 complain about money, but then they order DoorDash. 949 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,120 People say one thing and they do another and they do it over and 950 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,360 over again. And your, your kids pick up on 951 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,360 all that stuff. They see all these things, they 952 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,160 hear you saying, Oh no, no, hey, don't you know, I'm, I'm 953 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,280 emailing somebody right when they're on their, when the 954 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,920 parent is on the phone. But when the kid is on, when the 955 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,800 kid is on the phone or on the tablet, the parents come in, 956 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,360 they just interrupt right away and they don't ever, there's no 957 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,760 conversation with the kids. Like time to put that away and 958 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,800 they, you know, Chuck it off into the corner or whatever. 959 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,840 And I just, I've seen this happen with, with a lot of 960 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,080 different parents and I'm like, this is a major, this is a major 961 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,680 problem. There's a disconnect between the 962 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,360 parents and between the kids, and they don't have a good role 963 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,800 model in terms of like just what to eat and how to act. 964 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,560 And you don't have to necessarily eat the way that you 965 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,440 and I eat because we're, you know, we're doing, we're doing 966 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,480 stuff that's like, I don't know, 3% or 1% or 001 percent of the 967 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,400 population even cares about, right? 968 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,160 Like, we, we understand that. But what about just showing your 969 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,440 kids there's like just good options, like have some, have 970 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,200 some blueberries in the fridge, have some apples, have like just 971 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:17,280 a variety of foods around. So your kids see that there's a 972 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,400 lot of options and all these options actually taste good 973 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,600 because people think the only thing that tastes good, like a 974 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,400 lot of kids, a lot of teenagers these days, they think the only 975 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,440 thing that tastes good, like my daughter's friends, you know, if 976 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,600 my daughter's 17, my daughter's like dad, they don't eat real 977 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:39,160 food like ever. I'm like, shit, he's he's like, 978 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,960 yeah, only, only my daughter said only when they come over 979 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,400 our house, they actually have real food. 980 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,280 So it's it's it's amazing. And it's so I think that we 981 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,880 need, you know, better leadership from parents. 982 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,240 But I think parents feel like they're too far behind. 983 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600 Parents are sick themselves or they're getting there. 984 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,360 They're fat, they're overweight, they're work. 985 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,000 They're, you know, working all the time. 986 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,000 But I think everyone's just sort of like making their day and 987 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,560 making their life a little bit harder than it needs to. 988 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,000 And they're just like overly stressed out. 989 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,560 They don't know how to deal with the stress. 990 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,040 And if you worked out and if you ate properly, you you'd be able 991 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,280 to handle the stress easier. Maybe the stress would still 992 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,920 bother the hell out of you, and that's fine, but it's going to 993 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,920 be easier to handle it when you're doing other stuff. 994 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,040 Yeah, and some things aren't supposed to necessarily be easy, 995 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,800 like you acclimate to it, like efforts required in life. 996 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,360 You know Bill Schindler. Are you familiar with him? 997 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,480 No, Bill. Schindler's awesome. 998 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,520 I get you connected. He's one of my best friends. 999 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,600 We hunt together. He's he has this company called 1000 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,040 modern Stone Age kitchen. But like he's got great kids. 1001 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,160 They're all super well mannered, well behaved, great functioning 1002 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,480 family unit, which is rare these days. 1003 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,960 But he's a big advocate for, you know, everybody working together 1004 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,360 to make a meal from scratch, which does require effort. 1005 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,720 It's definitely harder than, you know, picking something out of 1006 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,720 the freezer and sticking the microwave for a minute and a 1007 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:08,320 half. But like they do that on a 1008 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,760 regular basis. They own a restaurant too. 1009 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,400 They all work together in that. But simply taking something from 1010 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,320 scratch, whether it be a chicken, pork, whatever, you 1011 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,560 don't have to go to that extreme with it. 1012 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,640 But like all the family preparing it together, a 1013 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,920 wholesome, nutrient dense meal as a family unit. 1014 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,840 Like if people just simply made that one shift, whether it was, 1015 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,120 you know, carbohydrate based or protein based or fat based or 1016 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,840 whatever, but they all just did that with predominantly real 1017 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,520 food and bonded as they did it. I think that would solve a lot 1018 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,800 of problems. That sounds huge. 1019 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,560 I'm going to check into the guy. I mean, you said you'll link me 1020 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:43,600 up with him. That would be great. 1021 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,800 Have you had Joe, Joe English on your podcast? 1022 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,480 Joe Brinley. Yeah, I've had him on twice, I 1023 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,160 believe, he and I, It's funny because he and I, he reached out 1024 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,640 to me when I very first started putting information out about 1025 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,720 keto, like way back in the day, like 2016 or something like 1026 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,320 that. And he and I were talking and we 1027 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,320 just hit it off. He said that I reminded him and 1028 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,120 him when he was my age and just, I don't know, we just had a good 1029 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,640 vibes. I've had him on my podcast a few 1030 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,960 times. He's done all kinds of crazy 1031 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,240 experimentation as well. And he's been like, I respect 1032 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,960 people that have been in the sports, been in the space for a 1033 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,240 long time and like, they're consistent. 1034 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,800 Like he's played around multiple different types of diets, but 1035 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,080 his overarching messaging has always been on point. 1036 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,280 So yeah, I like Joe a lot. He's a good guy. 1037 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,960 Yeah, I know that he, he's got a lot of information about like 1038 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,320 the FGF 21 and he's even taking a step further because he, he 1039 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,760 did like he ate candy for like 3 months straight. 1040 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,040 Yeah. Which is like pretty wild. 1041 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,760 He tells me still to this day he'll he's like, I just get busy 1042 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,600 and I just like reach for candy. Like I don't know how you do 1043 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,080 that without like having your teeth rot out of your head 1044 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,520 because like I'll eat, I'll eat candy like a little bit, but I 1045 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,120 just doesn't, it doesn't feel right to me. 1046 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,680 So I'm like, I, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to end up 1047 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,240 having my teeth ripped out of my head or, or end up with any like 1048 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,480 toothaches or anything like that. 1049 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,640 Yeah, I mean, I used to eat a lot of candy. 1050 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,160 My brother, he's 2 1/2 years younger than me. 1051 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,120 He's a Boilermaker and he's taller than me, skinnier than 1052 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,800 me, didn't have any as much muscle, doesn't lift or 1053 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,320 anything. But he's like physically active, 1054 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,360 working 12 hour shifts, Welton all day long. 1055 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,840 And he eats a ton of candy, man. Like his main staple is gummy 1056 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,400 bears. And I'm like, man, you're quote 1057 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,480 UN quote healthy on paper right now, but he'll, he'll be the 1058 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,160 first to tell you that, you know, his line of work, his lack 1059 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,920 of sleep, like he's starting to feel it in his aches and pains 1060 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,440 and joints and everything. I'm like, man, you're not giving 1061 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,160 your body any real fuel and just reached for that out of, you 1062 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,040 know, sugar, dopamine hitting convenience. 1063 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120 But it's like, you can't do that for the next 30 years and expect 1064 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,000 to see, you know, health in your future. 1065 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,480 So, yeah, I'm, I'm a big like forward thinking longevity 1066 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,680 thing. I'm a bit of a purist. 1067 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,400 So I like, I'll take that for what it is. 1068 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,600 But I want to, you know, know my local farmer, rancher, eat real 1069 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,360 food, be somewhat ancestral in that regard. 1070 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,000 But I, I want to eat in a way that I'm excited about eating 1071 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,320 over the next 50-60, seventy years. 1072 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,160 And I feel like if you look through life and the decisions 1073 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,680 you make through that lens, that definitely points you on a 1074 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,560 narrower path, but a better path, I would argue. 1075 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,160 Yeah, you know, and for me, like right now, you know, eating 1076 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,040 like, I mean, I'm no stranger to eating like rice. 1077 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,240 You know, I've again, even on my lower carb protocols, I've I've 1078 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,560 eaten rice, I've eaten potatoes. Talked about this many times 1079 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,600 before. I used to actually just eat 1080 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,520 potatoes usually instead of rice just because it was easier to 1081 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,640 eat less potatoes and rice, You know, for me, it's easy for just 1082 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,680 like take out, you know, cups and cut cups of rice. 1083 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,560 But you know, I can picture doing this diet for a long time 1084 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,480 or at least utilizing it intermittently alongside some 1085 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,400 other protocols. I wouldn't be surprised if like 1086 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,000 in the winter time, I just want more fat. 1087 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,560 I wouldn't be surprised at all. I wouldn't be surprised if in 1088 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,640 the winter time I'm like, oh, maybe I'll just do, you know, 1089 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,640 more of like a keto style diet or a lower carb diet. 1090 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,360 Just bring the fats up for a little while. 1091 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,720 I mean, why not, right? I think when you think about, 1092 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,360 think about what bodybuilders do and, and again, I, I don't 1093 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,440 think, you know, we should just like follow bodybuilders, but I 1094 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,640 think that bodybuilders have created a, a cool path for us. 1095 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:38,200 Because I do think that between the ages of, you know, maybe 15 1096 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,440 to like 60 almost, I think we should try to put some muscle 1097 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,120 mass on or at least hold muscle mass, you know, find a nice 1098 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,400 amount of muscle mass to hold onto and either keep it or try 1099 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,640 to continue to try to continue to gain, gain some muscle mass. 1100 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,720 And, you know, when I think about that and I think about, 1101 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,680 you know, the, the different styles of diet that I've 1102 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,680 utilized, all of them can work, you know, towards, you know, 1103 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,280 holding on the muscle mass, building muscle mass. 1104 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,800 I just always felt a little bit more comfortable when it came to 1105 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,600 gaining strength and when it came to gaining muscle mass, 1106 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,240 eating a little bit more carbohydrate. 1107 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,120 That's been my, you know, own experience with that. 1108 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,560 And like almost like hydrating the muscles with the 1109 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,040 carbohydrates and stuff. And we have to keep in mind, 1110 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,040 again, like, what are we talking about here? 1111 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,840 So like we're talking about glucose, right? 1112 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,640 So just because I'm mentioning carbohydrates, I'm talking about 1113 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,960 dietary carbohydrates, it doesn't mean that because you do 1114 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,520 your style of diet where you're doing a ketogenic diet and 1115 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,280 you're not consuming, you're not consuming carbohydrate, you 1116 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,760 still have glucose and you might have the same amount of glucose. 1117 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,320 That's what gets weird about this stuff is like you might 1118 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,800 have the same amount of glucose running through your bloodstream 1119 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,480 as somebody that that follows a diet that has higher 1120 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,160 carbohydrate or even high carbohydrate. 1121 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,160 But what I, I, what I feel personally is I, I, and I don't 1122 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,160 know this for sure, but I feel like that when I eat 1123 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,160 carbohydrates, dietary carbohydrates, I feel as if 1124 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,760 those carbohydrates when they break down into glucose, I feel 1125 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,560 like they're in my muscle tissue. 1126 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,160 Whereas when I've done keto, I feel like somebody kind of 1127 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,840 sucked the glucose out of my muscle tissue. 1128 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,680 I just didn't feel like it was still there the same way. 1129 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,640 And I felt, I would feel, I would feel like a little empty. 1130 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,360 It wasn't like I couldn't get a pump. 1131 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,760 It wasn't like I couldn't have a good workout. 1132 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,280 It just in comparison to me having carbohydrate and being 1133 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,920 able to fill the muscle tissue up with sodium, potassium and 1134 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,440 all the different things that at least what I believe glucose or 1135 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,200 yeah, what I believe glucose can help deliver to the muscle 1136 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,160 tissues. It just didn't feel like, it 1137 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,360 didn't feel like the same thing. And again, I don't have any 1138 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,800 proof or evidence that's that's that's the case or not the case, 1139 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,240 but it's just a feeling that I've had. 1140 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,880 Yeah, I mean there's been studies at the faster studies 1141 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,720 show that you're able to repair, replenish and replete muscle 1142 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,480 glycogen independent of carbohydrate consumption once 1143 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,680 deeply fat adapted. And people will argue all day 1144 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,280 long, what is the length of time necessary for depth of fat 1145 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,360 adaptation. And I've always said, you know, 1146 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,000 six months. I mean, because like when you go 1147 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,200 from a carbohydrate based diet or higher carb diet and then you 1148 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,120 go keto, you're going to feel pretty flat for the first 1149 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560 several weeks, possibly several months. 1150 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,000 And a lot of people, most people don't really have the staying 1151 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,360 power to stick with it. You know, six months strictly to 1152 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,960 be able to have an accurate comparison. 1153 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,000 I mean, I, I used to eat all the carbohydrates. 1154 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,880 I know what I felt like then. I know the vascularity I had, 1155 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,320 and I've got more vascularity and fullness on stage now when 1156 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,520 I'm dialed in for a show than I did back then, but I've been 1157 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,560 doing this strictly now for 10 years. 1158 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,000 You know, do I think you need to be doing it strictly for 10 1159 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,440 years in order to have all those metabolic pathways in place? 1160 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,520 Probably not. Nobody would do it if that was 1161 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,840 the case. But it is one of those things 1162 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,200 where I think it gets better the longer you do do it, and that 1163 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040 you're no longer sacrificing that fullness once that length 1164 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,440 of adaptation has been met. What do you think about like 1165 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:33,120 when you burn, When you start to pull body fat off of your body, 1166 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,680 you burn fat. Do you think that that fat is a 1167 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,840 similar nutrient as compared to dietary fat? 1168 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,120 Similar, I mean, when you're doing, when you're burning fat, 1169 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,560 whether it's dietary or you know, adipose tissue, like you 1170 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,280 can create ketones. People take exogenous ketones. 1171 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,560 Now you can have those across the blood brain barrier to 1172 01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,520 provide cognitive enhancement. But from a cellular standpoint, 1173 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160 I mean, how that interacts with the body is going to be pretty 1174 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,800 similar from an energy standpoint. 1175 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,120 You know, if I'm taking in, I feel like there's a point of 1176 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,440 diminishing returns. Like if I'm ever consuming just 1177 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,240 like a massive bolus of energy, whether it's, you know, for my 1178 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,840 for my case, it's going to be fat protein. 1179 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,360 But if I'm taking in too much fuel, I almost start to feel 1180 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,840 lethargic. So that's kind of defeating the 1181 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,680 purpose of there. But like, if I'm in an extended 1182 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,080 fast or if I'm super depleted or if I'm low body fat, I noticed a 1183 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,200 profound benefit from Ebola state day of, you know, higher 1184 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,120 dietary fat to provide that influx. 1185 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,240 Yeah, I, I, you know, I just like super curious about all 1186 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,880 this stuff. Like if you, it seems like a 1187 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,960 calorie surplus isn't really, it seems like a calorie surplus is 1188 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:56,720 not necessarily healthy for us, but it's not necessarily healthy 1189 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,400 for us over like a long period of time. 1190 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,200 Yeah. So again, like kind of looking 1191 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,880 at what bodybuilders do, it's like, well, a caloric deficit 1192 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,720 also isn't really that healthy either. 1193 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,800 Yeah, for sure. And it's, it's context 1194 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,800 dependent, right? Like if you have £50 to lose, 1195 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:23,320 well then a caloric deficit sounds like it's going to be one 1196 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,880 of the healthier choices you can make because you have to address 1197 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:33,080 weight loss at some point. And then a caloric surplus can 1198 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,680 be something that could be great for some people, especially 1199 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,760 people that are just very thin or somebody that has been 1200 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,800 dieting for a long time to start to bring their calories back up. 1201 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,080 And that's what I was going to say earlier. 1202 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,080 I kind of lost. My point was that bodybuilders, 1203 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,800 they, they build and they lose. They build and they lose. 1204 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,760 They build and they lose. And what they're trying to do 1205 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,480 over time is have their muscle mass just creeping up slowly. 1206 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,880 And whether it's a guy that's enhanced or a guy that's 1207 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,280 natural, it's going to be super slow anyway. 1208 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,760 Because what people don't realize about the guy that's 1209 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,200 enhanced, the guy that is enhanced, he's enhanced and now 1210 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,560 he's at this higher level. But just because he's enhanced, 1211 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,320 he doesn't just go with his muscle mass. 1212 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,600 He goes almost just as slow as the other guy. 1213 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,720 Now he's got different options. He might be able to change 1214 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,280 drugs, might be able to do a little bit more here and there. 1215 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,440 But in the end, it's actually the same thing. 1216 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,720 We're just talking about somebody that's 2030 lbs heavier 1217 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,120 than the person. That's natural. 1218 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,160 But one of the reasons why I think it's good idea to look at 1219 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,680 what bodybuilders do is because they do put that muscle mass on 1220 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,320 and they do lose that fat. They put the muscle mass on and 1221 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,800 they do lose. So they may acquire, they'll 1222 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,720 acquire more muscle mass and they'll acquire more fat. 1223 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,560 And then they'll come back down the other side and they'll lose 1224 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,880 fat and they'll try to hold on to as much muscle as they can. 1225 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,600 And if they do it correctly, over time they will have created 1226 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,040 a situation where they are kind of continually increasing their 1227 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,680 muscle mass. Maybe it's just ever so slowly 1228 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,240 increase in their muscle mass and continuing to bring that 1229 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:24,160 body fat level down and just create a a body that's just 1230 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,360 maybe operates at a little bit higher metabolic rate because 1231 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,320 they're mainly just muscle tissue at some point. 1232 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,680 Yeah, I think regardless of the diet, people following, there's 1233 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,680 extreme health benefits from a metabolic standpoint to have 1234 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,840 periods of time when you're in a deficit, period of time when 1235 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,080 you're in a surplus, always within a healthy range because 1236 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,120 like, you know, in the book Competition Prep for me, I mean, 1237 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,560 that was not healthy for that very finite period of time. 1238 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,960 But modulating between being in a surplus, being in a deficit is 1239 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,760 super advantageous metabolically speaking, and it takes time to 1240 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,920 build legitimate skeletal muscle tissue. 1241 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,720 So it stands to reason that you should spend more time in a 1242 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,040 surplus than in a deficit. So I feel like, you know, like a 1243 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,240 three to one ratio or something of that nature. 1244 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,240 But if everybody did that, whether they were ever planning 1245 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:15,080 to compete as a bodybuilder or not would benefit would benefit 1246 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,960 from it metabolically speaking for sure. 1247 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,480 It's really interesting because I bet your body like is trying 1248 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,520 to do that anyway. You know, just like your body 1249 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,600 intuitively is trying to eat less at certain times of the 1250 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,400 year and at certain times of the year or just certain days, 1251 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,760 you're just like more hungry or less hungry. 1252 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,200 It seems like the body like wants to do it. 1253 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,320 And it's interesting to have it like scheduled like, oh, for 1254 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,240 these three months, I'm going to like increase my calories for a 1255 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,960 little while. It seems to make a lot of sense 1256 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,760 That would like make you feel really good. 1257 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,920 And then for a period of time you're going to lower your 1258 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,600 calories. And for me, it's been kind of 1259 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,200 annoying because I've been on this weight loss mission for so 1260 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,360 long, I haven't had an opportunity to like come up for 1261 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,880 air because, I mean, I've done so a little bit throughout the 1262 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,920 years because it's coming down from 3:30. 1263 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,600 You know, that was that was like 15 years ago. 1264 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,640 So I have, I have kind of staggered it, you know, over 1265 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,960 time. But yeah, this last dip down to 1266 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,440 like 200 has been a real bitch. And then because I added the 1267 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,240 carbohydrates back in and because the, and because of the 1268 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,800 way I'm able to work out right now, I'm able to lift heavier, 1269 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,800 I'm able to add more volume. So it's like, man, it's getting 1270 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,480 going to get harder and harder to get down to that 200 LB mark. 1271 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,280 I'm still about £15 off. You 215 right now then? 1272 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,840 Yeah, yeah, 2:15. What were you when you and I 1273 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,000 were lifting together? Not different, maybe like 210 to 1274 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,840 12. Yeah, when you were 330, like 1275 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,760 because I look back because I bulked up to 2:30 at my heaviest 1276 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,240 pre keto days and I was just like, I didn't have a coach. 1277 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,960 I was watching YouTube videos of all like the, you know, lead 1278 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,600 priests, you know, all those that era body butters and 1279 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,600 they're just all. About enough lead priest is 1280 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,280 amazing. Yeah, he's a stud man, but like 1281 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,960 all of them like on YouTube that have like they're eating videos 1282 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,560 are just like all just, you know, hating the next spoonful 1283 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,960 and they're eating and I'm OK. That's what I got to do to get 1284 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,399 big. So I did the same thing, man. 1285 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,439 I was eating a ton of calories, you know, every two hours. 1286 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,040 But just like feeding past the point of satiety and like force 1287 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,560 feeding to get bigger. And I got bigger, I got 1288 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,680 stronger. But I don't ever really do that 1289 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,160 now. But I could eat way more than I 1290 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,560 do. Like if I just allow myself to 1291 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,560 eat at libidum then I'd probably just get fat even with the 1292 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,520 cleanest of keto quality foods, you know? 1293 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:44,399 I just like to eat food. Yeah, I, I, you know, I would 1294 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:48,840 say, you know, for myself too, when I've done a keto diet, even 1295 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,000 the carnivore diet, for me, it was a little bit easier. 1296 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,240 It felt easier for me to overeat on those diets as opposed to 1297 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,319 like what I'm doing now, Although I could probably figure 1298 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,840 out ways of overeating on this. But like when you really just 1299 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,800 limit the fat, it just gets to be hard. 1300 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:08,800 And then like, to a certain extent things just sort of stop 1301 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,399 sounding so appetizing. I mean, how much chicken and 1302 01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,479 rice are you going to eat? Or how much whitefish and or 1303 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,920 scallops and rice or you know, this is like how much this stuff 1304 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,560 you're really going to eat. It could become more fun when 1305 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,279 you start to add in some other things like I've been having 1306 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,880 this such a great combination. I've been having frosted flakes 1307 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,840 and rice together. It's like the greatest. 1308 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,800 That's from Joe Joe English is the one who who brought that up 1309 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,279 to me. And I was like, that sounds 1310 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,040 really weird. And I tried it and the guy was 1311 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,640 right, man. I was completely unbelievable. 1312 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,720 Interesting with. Some with some foods like that, 1313 01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,600 it, it, it can be easier to like overeat and like demolish food. 1314 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:58,320 But I kind of personally have a hunch or just think that or not 1315 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,800 even a hunch. I, I think it's fairly well 1316 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,120 known. I think when you're eating fat, 1317 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,360 it's a little easier to have that fat become your body fat. 1318 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,960 And when you're eating, when you eat a large surplus of 1319 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,920 carbohydrate, I think it's harder for the body to, you 1320 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,720 know, turn that into body fat in the absence of fat calories, you 1321 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,680 know, so I don't, I don't really truly know. 1322 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,320 I don't know what the science says on that. 1323 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,840 I think I have heard Lane Norton talk about that before where 1324 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:32,240 he's, he felt like it was like maybe 70% of the calories from 1325 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,440 fat when you're overdoing your fat can go to stored body fat. 1326 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,760 And maybe when it was carbohydrate, maybe it was more 1327 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,640 like 40 or something like that. But I'm, I'm pulling some of 1328 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,200 those numbers out of my ass. But I remember him talking about 1329 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,880 something. I remember that he made like a 1330 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,440 graphic because people were coming at him saying hey, if you 1331 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,600 eat more fat you burn more fat, which is true, but it's all just 1332 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,600 the energy pathway. Like if you eat more carbs, you 1333 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,160 burn more carbs, but then the effect on adipose tissue winds 1334 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,760 up leveling out or something to that effect. 1335 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,600 I'd have to go back and look at it be I remember them. 1336 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,840 But yeah, I don't know. I guess just guys like you and 1337 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,600 me, man. We lift, lift heavy weights and 1338 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,600 we just want to eat a lot of food. 1339 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:15,600 That's just reality of it. Yeah, I love food and I love 1340 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,440 exploring. I love exploring these different 1341 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,240 diets. I love exploring different 1342 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,760 training techniques. I mean, a lot of stuff I do 1343 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,760 like, I'll just say this too flat out. 1344 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,120 I mean, just to be totally transparent and honest with 1345 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,440 people, a lot of stuff I do doesn't even make any sense. 1346 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,040 I just do it because I it calls to me. 1347 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,000 I just like enjoy it. I did a workout the other day. 1348 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,760 I did like leg, I did leg press back and forth with pull ups and 1349 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,120 bench press. That's like what workout is 1350 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:43,960 that? I don't know. 1351 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,240 I just like I have those machines at my house. 1352 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,840 I have a setup at my house where I can kind of bounce around to 1353 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,840 different things. And I've done a bunch of 1354 01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,520 workouts like that before where I might be super setting like 1355 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,080 lunges and lateral raises. Like I didn't get it from like a 1356 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,520 book or anything. I'm just I'm just training and 1357 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,840 and I'm just having fun now. You know, should somebody else 1358 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:11,040 like do that exact same thing, Maybe they would find benefit in 1359 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,760 it. Maybe they would like it or 1360 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,120 maybe they'd hate it. I don't know. 1361 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,880 But for me you're. Not running anymore right now, 1362 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,280 right? You hurt your ankle. 1363 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,320 Yeah, my foot, my heel is still recovering, but it should be 1364 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,480 good. I'm thinking. 1365 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:27,160 I'm thinking sometime next month I should be ready to go because 1366 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,680 it's feeling better every day. That kind of it's I'm at the 1367 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,760 point right now where I probably could run and so I'm getting 1368 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,760 excited, but I'm like, you know what, you still got to give it. 1369 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,960 You still got to give a little extra time because I don't want 1370 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,840 to get back out to run and then and then just hurt myself. 1371 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,760 Yeah. So that's been the other thing 1372 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:50,240 with this diet is I've been able to lean out and without, without 1373 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,320 any cardio. I mean, a little, I'll do a 1374 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,600 little bit of cardio stuff within some of my workouts, but 1375 01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,520 I think when I get back to running, I think that's going to 1376 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,000 have a huge impact on even getting leaner. 1377 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,600 Although running can be really weird because running can make 1378 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,320 you look flat and make you look fat in a heart. 1379 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,040 Yeah, I don't ever like the way I look when I do a lot of 1380 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,560 running. I don't do a ton of running, but 1381 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,320 I always feel flat and washed out when I do it. 1382 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,040 Like Stairmaster has always been my go to form of cardio, but I 1383 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,240 don't do much of that. Like I'm pretty minimal with the 1384 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,400 cardio. Yeah, I think, you know, in 1385 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,120 terms of some cardio, if I could, you know, run, you know, 1386 01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:30,360 2-3 miles a couple times a week along with some sprinting, I 1387 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,560 think that will have a, a big impact on my physique. 1388 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,760 It's a matter of being able to handle it. 1389 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,360 You know, like if it's, if I'm running two or three miles and 1390 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:44,000 I'm my heart rate's 170, then then I'd probably have a 1391 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,280 negative impact on me as opposed to if I'm running a little bit 1392 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,520 more casual. And then on the days where I'm 1393 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,640 sprinting, I'm running much shorter distances. 1394 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,040 I think that'll have AAI think that'll create a good 1395 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,920 environment for me to get more shredded. 1396 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,240 Yeah, more shredded, man. That's to go. 1397 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,960 What's gets you excited, man? I know coming up here past hour 1398 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,600 mark, but you're about to leave on a trip to Scotland I think, 1399 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,800 right? Yeah, I'm going to Scotland and 1400 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,800 Ireland. My wife is over there right now. 1401 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,520 She's swimming in some of the channels and shit like that in 1402 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,000 Scotland. She's bouncing from like island 1403 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,800 to island, I guess. And I'm going in a couple days 1404 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,560 with the rest of my family. So I'm going with my daughter 1405 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:40,120 and my son, my and my two of my brother in You know, just, you 1406 01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,200 know, business wise and you know, career wise, I mean, I 1407 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,280 always love doing the podcast. I love communicating with the 1408 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,240 different people that I get to communicate with. 1409 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,480 And it's just, and maybe you found this to be true for 1410 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,160 yourself. And I don't know if it's because 1411 01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,480 we like we cherry pick these things and we make them happen 1412 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:01,400 or if they just actually happen. But it's really weird because 1413 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,520 we'll have a guest on the show and the guest on the show might 1414 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,760 say, you know, I actually found that, you know, training the 1415 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,680 Tibialis is like really key for this particular thing or 1416 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,240 whatever, right? And then, you know, a guest or 1417 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,960 two comes on and then like the next guest that comes in says 1418 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,640 the same thing that that first guy said. 1419 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,120 And then I'll be like another guest down the road will mention 1420 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,600 something similar to that first guy again. 1421 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,680 And you're like, what's going on here? 1422 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:29,560 So it's exciting to me to kind of hear, you know, and even even 1423 01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,080 with this sugar diet stuff, hearing so many people talk 1424 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,080 about their success with low fat diets, I think it's been really 1425 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,240 cool. And some people are like, Oh 1426 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,120 yeah, I used to do that. And then I, you know, ended up, 1427 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,920 you know, switching diets or whatever it is because they just 1428 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,520 thought that that wasn't the right thing to do. 1429 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,000 They, you know, thought that their hormones would tank or 1430 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,520 they thought all these horrible things were going to happen and 1431 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,280 they didn't really notice any of that. 1432 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,560 But it's just interesting how when I get these different 1433 01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,120 guests on the show, how these particular ideas that maybe are 1434 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,280 sort of forming in my head or forming in the head of Encima, 1435 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,600 how that those those things end up. 1436 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,920 They kind of just keep swirling around and swirling around to 1437 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,320 the point where we're like, Oh yeah, we got to like try that. 1438 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,480 We got to go do that. And we get, we get a lot of 1439 01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:20,240 encouragement from from those types of things on the show. 1440 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,880 Well, you're you're great at just bringing on guests from all 1441 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,600 different walks of life. I think that's the key, man, 1442 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,360 like open dialogue, open discussion, like not allowing 1443 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,040 yourself to become victim to that information silo and 1444 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,160 dogmatic and your thinking. So yeah, man, I mean, I, I love 1445 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,680 y'all's. I've found some great people 1446 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,200 through y'all's show. So keep doing what you're doing 1447 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:39,600 there for sure. Appreciate. 1448 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,640 It man, thank you so much. Mark, always a pleasure man. 1449 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,120 Enjoy Scotland, wear kilt, do all the good stuff and we'll be 1450 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,960 in touch brother. Thank you so much. 1451 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:49,400 See you man.