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Well, hello ladies and gents 
Robert Sykes keto Savage.com. 

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And today I have special guest 
dr. 

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Mike Mallen on the podcast, he's
one of the brains behind Wild 

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Health, which is a company that 
specialises in genetic testing, 

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Epi genetic testing what those 
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And what that information means 
for you and how your 

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environmental factors and your 
day-to-day actions can dictate 

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or at least influence which of 
those phenotypes get turned on 

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and off and how they impact, not
only you, but your children and 

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their children and their 
children. 

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We talked about where genetics 
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How they've been influenced what
the recent technology and 

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science is allowing us to do 
where it's going. 

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We dive deep into all things 
jeddak. 

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So without further Ado sit back 
relax and do the podcast. 

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Get your pen and paper ready to 
take some notes. 

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Here it is. 
Mike Mallen. 

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And we are live, like, melon. 
How are you man? 

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I'm good. 
I'm good Robert. 

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Thanks Camille podcast. 
Hey, man, I'm excited to check 

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with it, to be honest. 
I have very little background 

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knowledge on you at all. 
Chris, Urban reset to me is a 

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hey, man, just had Mike on the 
podcast. 

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You gotta get them on there, 
some. 

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Okay, let's sign me up and I did
some, some preliminary 

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groundwork and looks like you're
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you've also got a whole separate
website. 

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Unrelated to ultrasounds. 
I kind of just want to dive in 

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and get some some magnet on you,
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So I can have someone 
intelligent questions to ask you

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so far away, my give you some 
backstory on you. 

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Yeah. 
Give you spec story ultrasounds 

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kind of thing of the past these 
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previous career in ultrasounds. 
I'm a physician. 

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I went to medical school in 
South Carolina and then did my 

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residency in emergency medicine 
and during during emergency 

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Medicine Residency. 
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attending at an academic center 
for a long time, did a bunch of 

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research and Ultrasound back 
then but but I got kind of tired

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of it and by tired of it, I 
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standard Health Care system as 
as we all know it to be 

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frustrated about the fact that 
so many people were coming to 

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see me in the emergency 
department, you know, with these

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like terrible diseases, you 
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cardiovascular disease. 
Things that could totally be 

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prevented if, if somebody were 
taking better care of them and 

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showing them showing them away 
to live a healthier life. 

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You know, these are people that 
have just made the wrong 

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decisions and, you know, 
probably as because they have 

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been well educated and they 
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their behalf to help them with 
behavior change. 

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So, you know, somewhere around, 
I don't know six years ago. 

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I got sort of disgruntled with 
standard Health Care system. 

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I moved from academics to to 
private emergency medicine which

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one any better is the same thing
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personal Journey Epiphany around
this idea of precision medicine.

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So I was struggling with with 
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Bubbles and trying a few 
different diets and things that 

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were working out for my friends.
You know, most specifically, my 

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co-founder, Matt, he and I were 
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together. 
We're all we want residency 

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together. 
We've been friends for a long 

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time but doctors and, you know, 
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doing these these interval and 
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And around that time we were 
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partially just to see if my 
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it and it got so much worse. 
This is this is a diet that, you

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know, people are people are 
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Overall, we were like, what's 
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to and you know, he'd always had
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even budge. 
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like horrendous and his went 
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we're very similar dudes. 
You know, I exercise a lot eat, 

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well, take care of ourselves all
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And so this sort of like, aha 
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for us when we got our genetics 
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genetics for completely 
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And then those are sort of 
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I'd known this stuff beforehand,
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even As in a blind experiment in
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I would have known this time. 
It's not going to work for you. 

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I could do something else. 
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sort of realized that Precision 
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opportunity to, to, sort of 
shortcut a path to, to the right

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way to eat the right way to 
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The right way to care for 
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guess, which is what the Health 
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treats everybody exactly the 
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then a test to see if it was 
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So, so that's sort of what 
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Earth, which is the company that
we found in about four years 

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ago, which is a Precision 
medicine company that uses 

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genetics and Laboratory Testing 
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that they can live by, that's 
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they possibly can be without 
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I thought about it. 
I feel like the the genetic 

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testing genre, has started to 
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I think for good reason, I think
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this dive deep into that. 
But before we do, you got to let

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me know, man. 
What that we're both. 

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You try. 
Round that worked terribly for 

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you and didn't seem to make a 
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So, it's perfect. 
Perfect time. 

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It was Kita. 
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whatsoever. 
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not only my, you know, quote, 
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sense of you know I make a ton 
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The thing that was really 
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inflammatory markers just 
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My CRP was off the chart, I 
might hemoglobin A1c jumped like

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literally everything. 
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probably could have done a 
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Quito. 
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before we realized all that 
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much stayed keto since then, 
whereas I've kind of messed 

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around between a tutor few 
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I ended up on kind of like a 
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the diet that treats me really 
well but not quite in ketosis on

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a regular basis Gadget and you 
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hypercholesterolemia, do I do? 
Yeah, I got some. 

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I've got some familial 
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above 400, but I was on the 
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It was great because there's so 
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Just ran that to like like what 
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cholesterol levels. 
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room on the clock back, 20 years
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you know, black and white. 
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This is a bad window but now 
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question brought to the 
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really is a good or bad 
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is it's bad. 
All when it is in Company by 

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inflammation and and metabolic 
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don't have atherosclerosis 
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cholesterol inflammation. 
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there's going to end some 
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tree. 
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atherosclerosis and cause 
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So one of them of themselves is 
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Now, I do think, you know, the 
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familial hypercholesterolemia. 
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walking around with the LDL 
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That's I'm not, I've never seen 
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ever good for you. 
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definitely a none higher end of 
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problem but I do think we're 
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probably, you know, way too low 
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Like the idea that LDL 
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kill you without any evidence of
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risk. 
Factors is pretty ridiculous in 

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my mind. 
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I'm Only not a doctor, I don't 
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but I've always looked at the 
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you know, within reason, like 
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really, really low. 
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and my HDL is always really 
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I've always felt pretty solid 
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Like, even if even though my LDL
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range, like, based off the other
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at risk. 
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So what I would do in that in 
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say, for example, if we were 
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we were talking about your LDL 
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Number was like 200 or 
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of like a moderately High number
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You know, that's that's 
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physician would say, like you 
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your case, you know, knowing 
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otherwise, healthy your, you 
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I'd be looking at things like, 
what's your metabolic markers? 

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inflammatory markers like your 
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called LP pi/2, which looks at 
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of that cholesterol is going to 
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calls atherosclerosis. 
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markers were low, you get no 
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You know, the LDL is probably 
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So then we go and we look at 
Art, what's your family history?

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A big family, history of heart 
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maybe we're going to be more 
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Maybe we're going to try to get 
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cardiovascular disease. 
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doing all my patients in a much 
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Age is getting CT scans. 
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really, or calcium scores to 
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Does this person have evidence 
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because that will help tell you,
whether you need to do something

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about it, or not? 
I mean, if you got no 

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cardiovascular disease, there's 
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whatsoever. 
You're 50 years old and your 

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ldls 200. 
I don't think I care too much 

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Theory, ldls 200, but if you do 
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proves to me, that that LDL is 
get making its way for whatever 

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reason into your artery walls 
and causing plaque. 

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And we need to do About it. 
And usually that's fixing 

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metabolic disease, fixing 
inflammation. 

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But then also, you know, 
focusing on the fact that you 

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don't want to live, it LDL 
levels. 

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Yeah, totally greedy. 
There's a lot of people. 

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It seems that pretty much just 
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that showing zero they don't 
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Like is that a little bit of an 
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little bit? 
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scan, so coronary arterial 
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shows calcified plaque. 
So the real dangerous plaque, 

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the stuff that causes 
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It is actually the soft black 
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Black will rupture outside of 
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And then it goes, gets into the 
vessel wall and gets into the 

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vessel after ruptures goes 
Downstream, where it causes an 

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occlusion, and that's what we 
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Basically. 
So it's actually the soft black 

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that concerns us and you do get 
people who have, you know, have 

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soft plaque without any 
calcified plaque. 

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Now it's not everybody. 
It's, you know, like most 

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people, you know, 85% of people 
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score of zero, don't have any 
substantial plaque but there's 

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about 15 percent of people. 
That do have substantial soft 

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cholesterol, ranges is likely a 
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order to be healthier, you know,
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know, we want these simple 
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much fun. 
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LDL is not doing what you want 
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What was the Catalyst was? 
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Catalyst and if it sells for 
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realization that like, with 
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and it goes beyond it goes. 
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and what type of sleep you need.
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never-ending the amount of 
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you can test for micro nutrients
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markers and cardiovascular risk 
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really gave you this like just 
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knowledge as to how the person 
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they needed more of, and they're
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When environmental factors they 
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extremely powerful. 
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certain things format. 
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under recovered all the time and
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regular exercise plan. 
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these Snips around recovery 
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amazing, you know, those two 
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multiple other instances and 
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to bring it to, Larger 
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love it. 
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popularity of genetic testing. 
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like a 23andMe done, they're 
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uploading it to some third party
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some generic information. 
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can see past that but some 
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God. 
Hadn't had a y'all. 

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Go about that differently 
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I've had Anthony Jan the 
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We delve deep into genetics with
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definitely like not all genetic 
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Equal basically because there 
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just trying to capitalize on 
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how the environmental factors 
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make them on prominent. 
So, like, what is the workflow 

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look like for your company? 
Yeah, so you know, I if you if 

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you pin me down made force me to
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I would tell you that genetics 
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themselves and I think I really 
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one piece of the puzzle. 
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puzzle is how you are 
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your phenotype. 
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actually like uses those those 
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proteins because Beyond 
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epigenetics. 
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genes in our in our DNA, that's 
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regular basis. 
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produce based on What's called 
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the way that the cell wraps the,
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nucleus, and then as different 
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it will unravel those pieces. 
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proteins, and then roll them 
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determined by the epigenome, 
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how you've lived your life, and 
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whether you turn on 
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beforehand, right? 
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the actual determination which 
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the person. 
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point, mostly by Labs, by labs 
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So, you know, I look at you and 
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your body mass index is and, you
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a bunch of Laboratory Testing to
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of metabolic disease or 
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that, combining that with the 
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opportunity for improvement is 
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so. 
So we're very different than 

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and, you know, your standard 
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give you a very broad report 
about your genome, we take your 

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genome in run a, you know, a 
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through alumina. 
So it's our own proprietary 

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chip. 
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we think are important, and then
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laboratory panel, and a large 
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background information from you 
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Because honestly, the way we're 
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our patients is by sitting down 
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So, every single of our patients
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a half, with a physician and 
health coach meet with, Coach 

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beforehand and then we compile 
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and then bring that in together 
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to to deliver them sort of the 
the ideal forward plan for how 

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they're going to be as healthy 
as they possibly can, you know, 

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reduce the risk of dementia 
cardiovascular disease, you feel

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better optimize their health. 
That's so it's much more of a 

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expansive process than you would
get through a standard genome 

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company. 
I feel like the the concept of 

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genetics and the importance and 
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He is gaining a lot of momentum 
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By flick the general population 
is just incredibly blind to the 

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epigenome and how their actual 
factors, not only impact their 

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their own livelihood, but also 
that other kids and their kids 

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kids. 
You feel like that that 

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awareness is growing in already 
feel like that's just kind of 

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like the the missing, you know, 
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So to speak in which people are 
just so incredibly disconnected 

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to. 
I feel like the only day, many 

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people are hesitant to even dive
into this because they just 

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think it's out of their control.
Kind of like this ignorance is 

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bliss mentality but when they 
recognize that, there are 

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environmental factors actually 
turn on and off these, these 

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phenotypes that's a lot more 
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totally. 
And I think the problem comes 

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from this, like 1980s view of 
genetics, like we think about, 

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you know, I think when most, 
when the average person thinks 

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about genetics, they think 
about, oh, there's this single 

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mutation that causes this 
disease, right? 

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So it's it's this idea of 
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basically means a single 
mutation. 

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Ermine's a disease and a 
reality. 

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You know that's all that's all 
old news. 

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We're not we're not even talking
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gin jeans anymore. 
We're talking about things that 

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are poly genomic. 
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thousands of different genes. 
All have these little tiny 

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effects that over time and in 
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risk of some disease process, 
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So it's moving away from single 
snip, single nucleotide 

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polymorphism ideas to Polly 
genomic scoring and once you Is 

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that it's really poly genomic 
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Okay, so if f as I add all these
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what increases my risk. 
And the risk isn't necessarily 

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deterministic. 
It depends on how I live my 

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life. 
As to whether that, you know, 

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two times increased risk is 
going to actually have an effect

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or not because we're never, you 
know, telling people you are 

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going to have Alzheimer's or, 
you know, you're going to have 

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cardiovascular disease. 
I might be telling people, you 

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are at increased risk of 
Alzheimer's, or you're at 

455
00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:48,200
increased risk of cardiovascular
disease, but here's what we're 

456
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,600
going to do. 
To compound that risk or to 

457
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,300
reduce that risk, and compound 
all the positive genetics that 

458
00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,300
you have around this disease 
process as well. 

459
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,000
So it's not just looking at the 
- it's also looking at the 

460
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,300
positive, right? 
What are the things that I had 

461
00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:03,200
that? 
I can do the opportunities that 

462
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,900
I have in my, in my genome, to 
actually reduce the risk of this

463
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:08,400
Dimension down the road? 
You know? 

464
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,800
I mean, a PO Ava is a popular 
one, right? 

465
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,600
So this is a gene that's 
associated with dementia and 

466
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,900
it's popular because a lot of 
people talk about how they don't

467
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:17,800
want to know if they have it or 
not because there's this 

468
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,200
increased risk. 
When you Look at it. 

469
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,400
The risk isn't insane, right? 
It's like three times increased 

470
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,800
risk. 
If you have one, apoe4 gene, 

471
00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:27,400
right? 
It's a maybe a 10 to 15 times 

472
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,300
increased risk. 
If you have two of those apoe4 

473
00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:31,700
genes, but neither one of those 
are deterministic. 

474
00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,000
There are people with those 
specific genes that don't 

475
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,700
develop dementia and the ones 
that don't develop dementia, are

476
00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:39,400
the ones that eat this diet and 
that exercise this much, and the

477
00:21:39,408 --> 00:21:41,700
don't smoke and that sleep eight
hours a night and that, you 

478
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:44,100
know, they're the ones that have
these lifestyle factors that are

479
00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,200
protective against developing 
dementia. 

480
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,500
So I always ask my patients, why
wouldn't you want to know? 

481
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:53,000
Why wouldn't you want to know 
what opportunity you have is to 

482
00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,900
prevent or reduce the likelihood
that you get this disease in the

483
00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:57,800
future just by making these 
lifestyle changes? 

484
00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,800
So really, it comes down to 
better understanding risk. 

485
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,300
And then what Behavior change is
going to lead to reduction in 

486
00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:06,300
that risk? 
Yeah. 1000% man. 

487
00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:09,200
I mean I feel like that is just 
the most common sensible thing 

488
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,900
to do if. 
Like, that's very stoic thing to

489
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,300
do like, take your environmental
factors, then act accordingly as

490
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,300
opposed to just turning a blind 
eye to it and assuming it 

491
00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:18,400
doesn't matter because I feel 
like if you have information at 

492
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,300
your disposal, Puzzle. 
And then you can act accordingly

493
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:23,800
and let that dictate your 
day-to-day, you know, 

494
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,900
environment and how you, how you
go about, and what significance,

495
00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,600
you place on sleep and diet and 
training, etc, etc. 

496
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,100
You're not only setting yourself
up for success but that of your 

497
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,500
kids and their kids and their 
kids kids and that just that 

498
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:39,000
takes a much more responsible 
person than someone that just 

499
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,900
throws her hands up in the air 
and says I don't want to know. 

500
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,000
Yeah I love that. 
I love the fact that you brought

501
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
the like you're being more 
responsible for your kids and 

502
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,600
your kids kids to their. 
That's the that's a that this 

503
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,700
the card and keep in the back 
pocket. 

504
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,700
That you play if you really 
can't get the behavior changing 

505
00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:51,700
one. 
Yeah. 

506
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,400
And it's pretty like I'm and I'm
assuming it's just a simple 

507
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,900
saliva test. 
When I can take that saliva 

508
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:57,500
test, you have that genetic 
data. 

509
00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:01,000
Do you have like a, like, you 
take that data from 23andMe? 

510
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,300
Or do you have like a original, 
like place to get that date in 

511
00:23:04,308 --> 00:23:07,600
the first place? 
Yeah, so we created our own chip

512
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,300
so it's not too dissimilar from 
23andMe and that it's using the 

513
00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:14,100
same like type of Chip from 
alumina. 

514
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:16,000
But it's different in the sense 
that, you know, we're not 

515
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,300
looking at whether people like 
cilantro or not, or Or what 

516
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,800
their, what their ancestry looks
like. 

517
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,000
That's not a ventures to us, 
we're focused on health, you 

518
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,600
know, we're Healthcare company. 
So so we've optimized our chip 

519
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,900
for, you know, focus on on 
Healthcare. 

520
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:32,300
And some of that's, you know, 
chronic disease stuff some of 

521
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:35,100
its, you know, exercise and 
fitness some of its 

522
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:37,500
sleep-related. 
Some of its me owner behavioral.

523
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,500
So it's it's all different stuff
that we've we've pulled from 

524
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,100
from different areas and that 
mean it's all pulled from 

525
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,700
research, research articles, 
they're out there based on based

526
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:47,000
on the human genome and then 
built this ship. 

527
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:51,700
So it's, it's, you know, It's a 
spit saliva test that people do.

528
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:55,000
They just basically spit into a 
tube mail it off when they sign 

529
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,700
up with us. 
They also you know, obviously 

530
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,300
get lab, work done, so we send 
them a requisition, they go to a

531
00:23:59,308 --> 00:24:02,300
local Quest or LabCorp and get 
get lab work done. 

532
00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:04,100
And then they meet with health 
coach, fill out some online 

533
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,600
questionnaires, and then you, 
with their doctor, and their 

534
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,700
health coach Off to the Races. 
They're, they're, they're one of

535
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,400
our patients. 
And we're, we're, you know, 

536
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,900
changing things up and, you 
know, modifying their life and 

537
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:16,100
all kinds of fun stuff like 
that. 

538
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,100
I feel like the the ability for 
like a pattern And point to see 

539
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:23,400
these changes kind of unfold 
over time and working with more 

540
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,400
and more clientele. 
Like I'm assuming you're 

541
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,000
probably able to kind of guess 
based off of a certain you know,

542
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:32,400
outward phenotype. 
What this person is likely going

543
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,300
to be subjected to from a 
genetic and epigenetic 

544
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,000
standpoint. 
But are you seeing a lot of 

545
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,400
really stark contrast with 
regard to just pattern 

546
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,900
recognition and having worked 
with so many people now, you 

547
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,500
know, I'm I would love to say 
that I'm seeing a lot of pattern

548
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:49,400
recognition but I'm regularly 
surprised by how Different 

549
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,200
peoples genetics. 
Look compared to their 

550
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,000
phenotype, you know. 
Like you know, you look at 

551
00:24:53,008 --> 00:24:55,300
somebody you think like I could 
look at their I could look at 

552
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,900
their based on this person right
here. 

553
00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,900
I'm sure these genes are off to 
Pi FD owes. 

554
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,200
Maybe people are out front of 
people are gamma you know and 

555
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
it's never trust, never right? 
It's amazing. 

556
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:09,500
I mean it's sometimes but not 
very often. 

557
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:10,600
It's amazing. 
It's amazing. 

558
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,300
How different the the phenotype 
can appear based on the 

559
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:18,300
epigenetic component of it. 
So and and and the reason 

560
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,900
either, That's important is 
because you know what I'm 

561
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:24,900
getting at is that your genetics
make up a very very small 

562
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:27,800
proportion of your overall 
health in terms of what's 

563
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,200
important. 
What's truly important is is how

564
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,800
you live your life and your 
actual lifestyle and sure 

565
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,300
there's some ways that you can 
optimize your lifestyle for your

566
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:40,200
genetics. 
But you know, 80% of the AV 

567
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,000
percent of the problem is, is 
General Health, you know, it's 

568
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,600
the pillars, its sleep, it's you
know, healthy diet, it's 

569
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,400
exercise, you know, once you get
off track. 

570
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,200
When genetics can be really 
helpful or once you're, once 

571
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,800
you're trying to get that last 
15-20 percent, that's where 

572
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,600
genetics can be really helpful. 
But the basics are the basic, 

573
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:58,800
you know. 
I mean if you can eat healthy 

574
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,800
and sleep bunch and exercise 
bunch and you know like you take

575
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,400
care of yourself mentally and 
reduce your stress you know 

576
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,000
you're going to be generally 
healthy, you're going to be 80% 

577
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,400
healthier than the rest of the 
population. 

578
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,700
Now you want to get that other 
20% and get to 100 shirts and X 

579
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,200
can be super helpful or if 
you've fallen off the train and 

580
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,500
you want to know how to most 
quickly get back on the wagon, 

581
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,600
then genetics. 
Super helpful, but the basics 

582
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,400
are the basics. 
It's kind of the classic 80/20 

583
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,700
analysis but I feel like you 
know, on that point if you have 

584
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,000
this on the Forefront you can 
certainly expedite the process 

585
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,200
of optimization which I feel 
like everybody would be, you 

586
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,100
know, inherently one thing to 
do. 

587
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,800
Yeah. 
And you can reduce mistakes, 

588
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,400
right? 
You can you can reduce those 

589
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,700
like, you know, I should I 
should try, you know, carnivores

590
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,200
like oh hold on let's let's talk
about it for a second. 

591
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,300
Looks like you don't have these 
genes for carnivore, you know? 

592
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:48,800
Like I mean you can, you can 
really like you hammer in On 

593
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,100
those those those in of one 
studies that you wanted to do 

594
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,800
that may or may not make sense 
based on your genetics. 

595
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,300
Yeah. 
Now it comes diet, you know, 

596
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:02,700
like getting proper sleep, sun, 
exposure, training, all, that 

597
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,600
seemed to be pretty well, 
generally understood and 

598
00:27:04,608 --> 00:27:06,100
accepted. 
There seems to be so much 

599
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,500
controversy around nutrition, 
and you've got people in the 

600
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,900
carnivore campus saying, you 
know, only eat mean, you get 

601
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,600
people into vegan Camp saying 
only vegetables and there's 

602
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,700
obviously that blend in between,
but I would think from a when 

603
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,800
you start looking at it from a 
Extend point from an epigenetic 

604
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,100
standpoint. 
Like, they're probably, I mean, 

605
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,000
there are certain certainly 
going to be some individuality 

606
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,300
there for sure, but I would feel
like it would be hard to say and

607
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,200
that, you know, this this type 
of diet because I think they 

608
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,500
were all, we're all still human,
were all the same species, so I 

609
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,500
can't imagine that would be too 
much controversy when you read, 

610
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,400
you start looking at it from a, 
from a biological standpoint and

611
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,900
less. 
So from a psychological 

612
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,700
standpoint. 
Yeah, I mean, so what we try to 

613
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:49,800
do is we look at, you know, we 
break it up into Macronutrients 

614
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,000
and micronutrients in terms of 
our nutrition portion of the 

615
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,400
report and the macronutrient 
portion of the port. 

616
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,300
We look at your tolerances in 
your intolerance is, right? 

617
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,900
And, you know, so we look at 
things, like how carb intolerant

618
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,100
are you? 
How fat intolerant are you? 

619
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:07,100
How protein intolerant are you, 
how saturated fat intolerant, 

620
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:10,900
are you, and by combining those 
things together, you can start 

621
00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:12,400
to build these. 
You know, the ice. 

622
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,600
These ideas of what type of diet
is going to work best for a 

623
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,600
person, right? 
And there are certainly people 

624
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,900
out there who Their genetics are
just awesome and they can 

625
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,400
literally be on any diet they 
want to. 

626
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Like they could, they could go 
vegan and then switch over to 

627
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,900
carnivore and their their 
metabolism metabolism is such 

628
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,300
that they're going to be able to
manage that. 

629
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,100
Now, they might struggle a 
little bit moving to Quito or 

630
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,400
something. 
For example, if they don't, if 

631
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,400
they don't have any metabolic, 
flexibility going into it. 

632
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,000
But, you know, for over some 
time, once they create that 

633
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,400
metabolic flexibility and that 
epigenetic change happens, then 

634
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,500
they'll be perfectly fine, 
right? 

635
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:43,600
So their jeans are just perfect 
for it and then you've got 

636
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,700
people in the other end of 
spectrum. 

637
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,700
Right now, I've got people who 
super carbon tolerant, you know,

638
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:51,300
and just like our Phenomenal on 
keto, they do, they do great on 

639
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:52,900
it. 
Like they've got energy. 

640
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,300
They have their Labs of 
beautiful, they've got zero 

641
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,600
information or their gut health 
improves like all the things go 

642
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,600
right, for the right. 
And then I've got other people 

643
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,100
who, you know, are terrible in 
terms of fat tolerance and they 

644
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:06,900
do they do terrible in Quito, 
they don't have enough energy, 

645
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,100
they are inflammatory markers 
increase and then we move them 

646
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,600
over to a carb carb heavy diet 
and they feel great. 

647
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,100
So there's certainly you know 
there are certainly a group of 

648
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,500
people that fit in the middle 
that really there's this 

649
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,000
opportunity to do whatever they 
But there are also people on 

650
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
other end of the spectrum, who 
really do benefit from having 

651
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
this knowledge and and, you 
know, almost giving them the 

652
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,700
permission to say like this 
diets, not for me, you know, 

653
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,300
like so many people like, you 
get, like, you get like, 

654
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,600
psychologically obsessed with a 
particular diet, right? 

655
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,100
And then, you know, you don't 
want to give up on it because 

656
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:39,800
you feel like you're giving up 
on yourself but like, you know, 

657
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,300
their labs are correct are 
terrible. 

658
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,200
They you know, have any energy, 
you know and you tell them okay.

659
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,100
It's okay. 
You know you can you can try 

660
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:46,700
something else. 
It's alright if you want to eat 

661
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:48,100
some carbs and like ah, thank 
you. 

662
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,900
Why? 
And they feel like they feel 

663
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:50,800
amazing. 
Yeah. 

664
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,900
Well why do you think there's so
much variability in how one 

665
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:55,600
feels and performs around 
nutrition? 

666
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,300
Like, this is just a result of, 
you know, millions of years of 

667
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:02,000
mutations. 
Or how is that, how do you think

668
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,700
that all came to be? 
Yeah, you know, I think, I think

669
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,700
human beings evolved in 
different environments, right? 

670
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:10,400
And you know, you look at the 
different environments around 

671
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,900
the world, some people evolved 
to eat carnivore right. 

672
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,000
You know, I mean some people 
evolved to eat more keto, some 

673
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000
people evolve more fasting, some
people evolve with more Eating, 

674
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,300
you know, you get people, you 
know, evolving in northern 

675
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,000
Europe and of people evolving in
the Pacific Islands, right? 

676
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600
And those are two very different
environments with very different

677
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,800
foods, right? 
So because of that, they their 

678
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,800
epigenome, you know, has changed
over time their Snips have, you 

679
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,500
know, evolved their single next,
a polymorphisms have evolved. 

680
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,200
And, you know, Evolution has 
happened in each one of those 

681
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,100
areas for small groups of the 
population. 

682
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,100
And then now you take the last, 
you know what 300 years and you 

683
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:50,000
mix it all together, you know. 
And you spit It out and we all 

684
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,800
look very similar or sometimes a
little bit different but in 

685
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:57,500
under all of that we have this 
you know, this change in our 

686
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,200
genome that you know maybe maybe
I've got more northern European,

687
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:05,200
you know looks but more like 
Southern European diet Snips. 

688
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,000
You know, this everything has 
been mixed up. 

689
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,300
So I think that those small, the
small changes have just been, 

690
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,700
you know, thrown into the 
Melting Pot and have delivered 

691
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:17,700
us with this sort of like, 
inconsistency in the ideal diet 

692
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,900
for, for the Race. 
Yeah, that makes sense and all 

693
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,400
this is pretty like the Human 
Genome Project that was 

694
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,500
completed in what 2004's it, 
right? 

695
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Yeah, I'm gonna make it in 2008.
It was early 2000s. 

696
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

697
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,100
Somewhere in that ballpark. 
So we haven't really been 

698
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,700
gathering this data for to too 
long in the grand scheme of our 

699
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,400
existence obviously, do you feel
like I would imagine, you know, 

700
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,000
fast forward to clock another 
300, 400 500 years from now, 

701
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:45,600
we'll be able to kind of see the
trend line that we're taking as 

702
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
a species. 
I would imagine I'm out of know,

703
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,700
maybe you can correct me. 
Here. 

704
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,900
But if you had to guess what you
say, we're evolving or devolving

705
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,100
right now. 
Getting better or worse? 

706
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:56,400
That's a. 
That's a tough question. 

707
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,900
I depends on the depends on my 
mood in the day. 

708
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:05,200
Yeah, I feel like there's just 
there's been this massive influx

709
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,100
of just noise in the whole 
equation and it's probably not 

710
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:11,000
doing us any favors. 
Yeah. 

711
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,700
You know I don't know how fast 
how fast and you know evolution 

712
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:15,900
is really occurring in front of 
our eyes. 

713
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:19,100
I mean I suspect you know, a lot
of what we're seeing The human 

714
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:23,700
race is really epigenome related
rather than rather than genetic 

715
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:24,600
D. 
Evolution. 

716
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,800
You know, I think we're seeing 
we're seeing a predominance of 

717
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:30,700
diabetes. 
You know, epigenetic if you 

718
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:34,100
could be genomic, changes and 
obesity, epidemic changes and 

719
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:35,600
things like that. 
And I think that's going to 

720
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,600
that's going to probably that, 
you know what's interesting is 

721
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,500
that could cause evolution in a 
different direction with the 

722
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,700
genome itself, right? 
Because you know, we start, we 

723
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,800
start seeing these changes and 
people start dying younger 

724
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,700
because of obesity or diabetes. 
And then maybe the genome, you 

725
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:52,400
know, starts to pick for 
specific Snips differently 

726
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,400
because of that those, so maybe 
it starts to pick your Evolution

727
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,300
starts to pick for those Snips 
that increase the decrease, the 

728
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,000
likelihood of diabetes because 
epigenetics genetically were 

729
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,100
increasing it within our 
lifestyle, who knows? 

730
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:05,400
Maybe it's a it's an interesting
question. 

731
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,000
I do think that I think that as,
you know, over the next 10 years

732
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,600
we're going to see a reduction 
in interest in genetics in 

733
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,700
general and an increase in 
interest in epigenetics, you 

734
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:16,100
know, you're even getting some 
companies. 

735
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,900
Now, they're actually starting 
to read. 

736
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,400
The parts of the the epigenome 
for disease States. 

737
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,600
So you can, you know, there's a 
couple companies out there to 

738
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,300
Diagnostics as one of them that 
not, they don't just do a 

739
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:31,000
biological age with the 
epigenome, which is the common 

740
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,700
practice. 
They actually look at specific 

741
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,500
cpg, sites for diabetes, for 
example, or for obesity, and 

742
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,600
tell you how turned on or turned
off. 

743
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,000
Are these epigenomic sites, 
which is really interesting 

744
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,200
because now you can actually use
that as a marker that you follow

745
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,900
over time, right? 
So if You know, say, for 

746
00:33:48,908 --> 00:33:52,600
example, I run your, I run your 
cpg sites for diabetes, then 

747
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,400
you've got, you know, four out 
of five pop up positive, right. 

748
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,700
Then we could enact some 
lifestyle change. 

749
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,700
Give it six months, run that 
again and now see how we changed

750
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,300
your epigenome in any way. 
Knowing that, you know, if we 

751
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,100
have then that's obviously 
positive. 

752
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,800
And then these lifestyle factors
are working for us and if we 

753
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,800
have it, maybe we need to try 
some different lifestyle 

754
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,500
factors. 
Or, you know, maybe we were 

755
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,600
trying, you know, high fat low 
carb, and it didn't work. 

756
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,300
So maybe now we try intermittent
fasting. 

757
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:21,000
So it gives us a way. 
A to measure the influence that 

758
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,699
we're trying to have on the 
epigenome, what is crazy, what 

759
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:25,600
we're able to do now from a 
technological standpoint? 

760
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,699
I mean, I was watching something
the other day and there was this

761
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:33,699
couple that I believe the, the 
wife had some, she was a carrier

762
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,500
for some type of disease and she
wanted to ensure that their 

763
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:38,800
offspring did not carry it. 
That was not a carrier. 

764
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,500
So when they did the whole egg 
implantation process, they look 

765
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,300
to see. 
You know, which of those you 

766
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,199
know, sperm cells were carrying 
that or I guess Switch her eggs 

767
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,800
were carrying that trait and 
then excluded all the ones that 

768
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,900
were and then did an 
implantation with one that did 

769
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,699
not. 
So, they're basically, you know,

770
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:57,200
having all that. 
And that's, that's what that's 

771
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,800
something that's totally new to 
us. 

772
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:00,600
I mean, we would never been able
to do that. 

773
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Then we're basically playing God
and that aspect I would imagine 

774
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:04,900
basically. 
Yeah. 

775
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,300
I mean you've got dad and then 
combine that with you know some 

776
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:09,200
of the stuff that like David 
Sinclair is doing for example, 

777
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,000
where they're where they're 
literally, you know, changing 

778
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,700
the changing the epigenome in 
mice. 

779
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:19,800
Now by, you know, basically 
Injecting them with the virus. 

780
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,900
You know, in this it's getting 
kind of crazy, you know, I it 

781
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:25,000
some point. 
What guess we're going to step 

782
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200
in and side like you know, what 
is cool and what's not cool in 

783
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,700
terms of what were willing to 
do, you know, at this point, you

784
00:35:30,707 --> 00:35:33,100
know, I feel pretty comfortable 
just reading the data that's in 

785
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,200
front of us and, you know, 
manipulating things with 

786
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,600
lifestyle. 
But yeah, when you start talking

787
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,500
about, like, injecting people 
with things and and and playing 

788
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:42,300
God, then things get a little 
question. 

789
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:43,700
Yeah. 
At some point, there's going to 

790
00:35:43,707 --> 00:35:46,400
have to be like, a code of 
ethics conversation in which 

791
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,300
case he like you people have to 
just sit down and come to grips 

792
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,300
with You know, what is, what is 
feasible? 

793
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,100
What is not like where do we 
draw that line? 

794
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:55,400
Otherwise, it's just the wild 
west all over and like anything 

795
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,900
goes and I feel like that is 
it's some point bound just lead 

796
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,600
to some type of implosion. 
I would imagine. 

797
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,800
Yeah, I would, I would imagine 
it, I would imagine it will. 

798
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,200
I mean, luckily, we're in a 
space now. 

799
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,600
We're, you know, data's, pretty 
data's, pretty secure. 

800
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,600
You've got a lot of governmental
regulations protecting your 

801
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,300
genetic data, which is, which is
nice. 

802
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:16,100
You know, your insurance company
can't get access to your, you 

803
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,500
know, your genetic data, for 
example, like I can't share, 

804
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,900
With other people, you know, 
there's, we have to meet all 

805
00:36:20,908 --> 00:36:22,200
these HIPAA requirements and 
everything. 

806
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,900
So there's a lot of protection 
there but you're right, there 

807
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:27,800
isn't a good understanding of, 
you know, as we move forward and

808
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,000
start talking about manipulating
genetics, where do we draw the 

809
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,300
line? 
That's going to be a question 

810
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:33,900
that Embraces going to talk 
about. 

811
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,400
Do you think there's a lot of 
pushback from people that just 

812
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,000
simply don't want to have that 
information out there like a lot

813
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,800
of people I feel are hesitant to
get a genetic test in the first 

814
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,500
place because they just simply 
don't want to have that 

815
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,200
information out there to the 
public. 

816
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Yeah, we hear some of that, you 
know. 

817
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,100
And I regularly We have to, 
like, inform our perspective 

818
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,700
clientele and, you know, how we 
manage things and where we don't

819
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:58,000
share their data with anybody. 
It's, you know, it's completely 

820
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,200
like d identified on our servers
and as it transfers through in 

821
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,400
the mail system, it's also D 
identified. 

822
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,100
So, you know, it's not a, it's 
really a minimal concern or it 

823
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:09,400
should be a minimum concern to 
them. 

824
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,700
It's not being not being sold or
given away or anything like 

825
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,900
that, but it's a concern for 
people. 

826
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,400
And, you know, I think it's 
reasonable. 

827
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,300
You know, it's reasonable to 
hear concerned about that kind 

828
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,300
of data just like any data, you 
know, like your your Gmail 

829
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:26,600
password, you know, you need to 
be careful about all that stuff.

830
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,800
So you know regularly informing 
people about our security 

831
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,800
processes and make sure they 
understand that we're secure as 

832
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,300
we can be. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

833
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,500
I feel like I have not, I don't 
feel like there's a reason. 

834
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,000
Nobody has a reason to 
justifiable reason. 

835
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,100
To want to clone me in the first
place, I'm probably safe money 

836
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:45,500
to like fall back. 
It's funny. 

837
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,900
There's and, you know, it's such
a dichotomy to because there's 

838
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:49,300
some people there. 
Super worried about this. 

839
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:51,100
And there's other people that 
are just like spitting in tubes 

840
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,600
and send it at 23andMe who, you 
know, is selling it to literally

841
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000
everybody. 
So you know, there's definitely 

842
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,600
like there's two ends of the 
spectrum there. 

843
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,700
Yeah. 
I feel like yeah I don't know. 

844
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:01,900
I feel like just simply having 
that conversation with, you 

845
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,400
know, potential clients just 
informing them about what the 

846
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,500
the standard protocol is and 
being upfront with them. 

847
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:10,000
And transparent is best way to 
go because I do feel like what 

848
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,300
we said in the beginning. 
Like if you have that 

849
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:14,100
information at your fingertips 
and you can really kind of, you 

850
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,500
know, sign step, one of the 
pitfalls and just when you can 

851
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,200
try any type of that, I think 
it's honestly Worthwhile, I got 

852
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,400
remember doing one of these 
generic test and it was saying 

853
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,200
that I would be totally 
inappropriate for a higher fat 

854
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,300
diet. 
I don't think they would sound 

855
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:27,700
like, you know, just higher fat 
in general. 

856
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,500
So I totally kind of, you know, 
put that off the deep end 

857
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,100
because that's pretty much all. 
I didn't know, but I feel like 

858
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,000
any diet, any type of protocol 
is worth experimenting with, but

859
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,500
if you can simply have that 
knowledge at your, fingertips is

860
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,400
about what you're most likely 
predisposed to do well with. 

861
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,800
You can sidestep out of the 
pitfalls that come with just 

862
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,900
simply, you know, throwing stuff
against the wall and seeing what

863
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,300
sticks. 
Yeah. 

864
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,800
I totally agree with you and I 
we do, you know, to say that we 

865
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,100
completely understand the human 
genome is just, you know, like, 

866
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,500
ridiculous. 
So, you know, we do take 

867
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,500
patients, who despite their, you
know, genetic test. 

868
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,300
We end up trying them on things 
that they're, they're, you know,

869
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,300
the results, their test would 
suggest that we shouldn't do. 

870
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,800
And that's because, you know, 
we're we are aware of the fact 

871
00:39:09,808 --> 00:39:11,800
that, you know, there is a 
significant amount of human 

872
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,400
genome that we don't truly 
understand and we don't really 

873
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,300
understand it but you headaches 
or how that plays a role as 

874
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:16,700
well. 
So there are definitely patients

875
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:18,500
who do that. 
The one thing I will say is that

876
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:21,900
The thing that they're always 
frustrated me about about the 

877
00:39:21,908 --> 00:39:26,600
standard Healthcare System was 
the turnaround time on retesting

878
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,600
was ridiculous. 
Like, you know, when I was first

879
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,900
working on my cholesterol levels
and my doctor, I didn't want to 

880
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,900
go any meds. 
So I wanted to find the right 

881
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:34,600
diet or the right exercise 
routine or whatever. 

882
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,800
It was to get my cholesterol 
down. 

883
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,800
And I'm, you know, I'm trying 
these different things now to 

884
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,300
check it like every month, you 
know, he's like no, no, let's 

885
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,300
let's give it six months and my 
whoa, see, I'm not doing this 

886
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,000
diet for six months to find out 
that it didn't work. 

887
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,800
You know, that's that's like 
Hundreds of my life potentially 

888
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:51,600
so you know, this doesn't make 
any sense. 

889
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
So, you know, one thing we've 
been trying, we've tried to do 

890
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,200
is is be really, really open to 
the idea of regular testing on 

891
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,500
our patients know to. 
If they're interested in early, 

892
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:05,000
is to make sure that they get 
the speed of feedback, they need

893
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,600
to make change and make it 
quickly. 

894
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,400
I think, men in and of itself is
worth its weight in gold. 

895
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,000
I mean, I don't go through 
doctors anymore. 

896
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,200
If I want a blood test all order
it online, then I'll go to like 

897
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,100
a Quest, Diagnostics inner, you 
know, pay for it. 

898
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Schedule, a walk in and shoot. 
I'm Out of there in like 20 

899
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,100
minutes, like, it's way more 
efficient, way more cost 

900
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,200
effective. 
I feel like, having any of that 

901
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,000
data should be, I mean, it's 
your own body. 

902
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,500
Like you should be able to just 
on a whim go and get whatever 

903
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:29,900
information you want. 
So the fact that you're 

904
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:31,800
incentivizing that I think was 
great. 

905
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:33,700
Yeah, totally, I totally agree 
with you. 

906
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,800
I think that the idea that you 
have to go to a doctor to get a 

907
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,100
lab test is sort of ridiculous. 
Now I mean there's obviously an 

908
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,300
evangelist going to a doctor. 
They can help you interpret that

909
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,500
lab test and you know help you 
if it's if it's abnormal but 

910
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,300
just getting itself that I feel 
like anybody should be able to 

911
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,800
get that whenever they want. 
Now, when it comes to 

912
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,500
epigenetics, and how your 
lifestyle factors impacts, not 

913
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,700
only you, but your kid their 
kits, like three generations 

914
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:58,700
deep, right? 
Yeah, at least. 

915
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,200
So why is it the like, what, why
is that? 

916
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,300
Like I feel started breaking 
apart the cells and looking at 

917
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:04,800
that and I can, you explain to 
the listeners. 

918
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,800
Why it is at least the three 
generations deep like how that 

919
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,100
looks from a, from a genetic 
standpoint. 

920
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Yes. 
To the epigenome transfers to 

921
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,700
The Offspring, like the genome 
does, right? 

922
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,900
So, you know when you The 
easiest way to think about it. 

923
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:23,200
As the epigenome is almost like 
another, another genome layer on

924
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,500
top of the genome and and that 
that epigenome tells the cells 

925
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:30,800
which of these proteins to to 
produce, right? 

926
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
And when you when you have 
Offspring, not only do you 

927
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,900
transfer the the genetics that 
you got from your parents, 

928
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,700
right? 
But also the epigenome that you 

929
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,700
got from your parents and the 
epigenome that you've 

930
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:45,400
manipulated before you've given 
it. 

931
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,000
So when my wife and I had a 
child, I was my first child was,

932
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,700
I was 32 years old and I 
transferred over my genetics and

933
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:59,400
my epigenome from when I was 32 
to my child, my wife transferred

934
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,700
over her genetics and she 
transferred over the epigenome 

935
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:10,700
of her mom because her epigenome
was established in the, in the 

936
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:17,300
eggs in her ovaries when she was
in a infant inside of her mom. 

937
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,900
That's when the epigenome 
Establish. 

938
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:23,200
So our children have the 
epigenome of me at 32 and the 

939
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:29,200
epigenome of my wife's mother. 
She was an infant inside of her 

940
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:31,400
so that's that's how that's how 
it gets transferred down the 

941
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,700
line. 
So you have this possibility and

942
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,200
then of course, you know my 
epigenome came from, you know 

943
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,500
combination of my dad when he 
was whatever age he was when he 

944
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:44,100
when when when he had me and 
whatever my mom had me when she 

945
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:45,600
was when her eggs were 
developed. 

946
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,100
And then, you know, my epigenome
changed over that time. 

947
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,200
I'm of my first, you know, 32 
years. 

948
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,100
So, you know, when I was a 
teenager and I was eating eating

949
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,500
terrible and staying up all 
night, my Pacino was terrible, 

950
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:55,800
right? 
And then, in my twenties, when I

951
00:42:55,808 --> 00:42:57,000
started getting healthy, it got 
better. 

952
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,700
And when I was 32 is hopefully 
on the rise up, right? 

953
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,300
So that's how we transfer that 
that epigenome down to down to 

954
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:06,400
our kids. 
And, and that has a huge impact 

955
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,600
as to how the genetics play out 
in our, in our daily life and 

956
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,700
what proteins actually get 
produced by the cells and, you 

957
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,000
know, your likelihood of disease
and all those things. 

958
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,100
Love it. 
How long before ones like? 

959
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,000
Genetic data. 
And what all that means is going

960
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,600
to be part of the Tinder 
profiles that when people are 

961
00:43:22,607 --> 00:43:25,500
looking for matches your life, 
they're getting people with the 

962
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,100
right genetics. 
Select like your wife, for 

963
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,900
instance. 
Like I'm assuming you probably 

964
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:31,700
weren't in grilling her on your 
first date. 

965
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Ask what her genetics were like.
So in case y'all wear to work 

966
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,100
out and it be a match that yells
offspring would be better off 

967
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,000
for it. 
I don't, you know, I don't know.

968
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,500
That's a really, really good 
question. 

969
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:43,100
I mean, like, in some ways I 
think that's ridiculous in other

970
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:44,800
ways. 
There's some serious benefit 

971
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,800
there, right? 
Like there's some super rare 

972
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
diseases that That, you know, if
you know, they're ours on the 

973
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,600
recessive that if both the wife 
and the husband have, you know, 

974
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,700
when they, when they have a baby
or, you know, whomever is having

975
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:58,100
a baby, not happy wife and 
husband. 

976
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:59,900
But when the two parties get 
together and they have a baby, 

977
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:01,900
if they both have that 
autosomal, recessive State 

978
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,800
trade, then that child is going 
to have that disease process. 

979
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,000
So that's the, it's sort of, in 
some ways. 

980
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,700
It's like, you know, it's kind 
of weird to think about that, 

981
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:12,600
but in other ways it's like, 
well, that would be super 

982
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,900
beneficial because now, you're 
not, you know, creating babies 

983
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,100
with these, these horrible 
diseases that obviously aren't 

984
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:18,100
going to are going to get the 
money. 

985
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:19,300
Life. 
Yeah. 

986
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:20,400
No, I agree. 
I think it's one of those 

987
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,600
ethics, ethics questions. 
I mean, I feel like the other 

988
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,600
day, like, if you love somebody,
just figure out a way to make it

989
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,900
work. 
And then you just take, whatever

990
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,900
comes but at the same time, like
if you can kind of figure that 

991
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,400
on the front end, before y'all 
get to committed relationship, 

992
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,200
and probably save yourself a lot
of Heartache later to. 

993
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,800
So it's just again, totally, 
where one's ideology fits on the

994
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,000
Spectrum. 
Yeah. 

995
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,400
Luckily, this is way above my 
pay grade. 

996
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,800
This is for his fourth place for
somewhere. 

997
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,800
Who's real good at, real good at
ethics. 

998
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,900
I'm happy to pontificate on it, 
but I'm definitely not. 

999
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,600
I'm definitely not the man to 
make the Answer. 

1000
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,300
Now adjusting stuff for sure, 
man. 

1001
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Well, what's in the pipeline for
you? 

1002
00:44:52,207 --> 00:44:54,500
What are you super excited about
what he working on now, what's 

1003
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:58,100
coming? 
So we're really focused, you 

1004
00:44:58,107 --> 00:45:00,100
know, I feel like we've got the,
we got the science down, like 

1005
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,500
we're really, really happy about
the science. 

1006
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:04,200
We're always trying to grow, you
know, we're we're actually, I 

1007
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,900
guess we may ask that we have 
the science down, but now that I

1008
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,200
think about it, we're about to 
release this new sleep, 

1009
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,400
chronotype report, which is 
going to be super cool because 

1010
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,000
it uses thousands of different 
sleep Snips and gives people. 

1011
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,400
A recommendation is to win. 
They should be, you know, Going 

1012
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,200
to bed at night, and what time 
they should be getting up in the

1013
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,800
morning? 
How much overall sleep, they 

1014
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,900
need, what's their risk of 
insomnia and restless leg, and 

1015
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:26,700
all this stuff. 
So, that's super cool. 

1016
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:27,600
That's going to be coming out 
soon. 

1017
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,600
So I'm excited about that one. 
But we're focused a lot on 

1018
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,400
Behavior change now because 
really the Crux of the this 

1019
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,600
whole project is to is to enact 
Behavior change and lifestyle 

1020
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,000
change, right? 
I don't want to put people on 

1021
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,000
prescription medications. 
You know, I recently did we did 

1022
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
a research article on our 
patient population over the last

1023
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,200
three years and something like 
less than 1% of them are 

1024
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,600
actually got started. 
Tadhana prescription medication 

1025
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600
yet. 
We saw like, you know, 45 

1026
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
percent of our patients have a 
resolution in their inflammatory

1027
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,700
markers and like, 30% or 
resolution in their, in their 

1028
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:00,600
lipid profile. 
So, you know, we're getting the,

1029
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,100
we're getting these changes but 
it's all coming from lifestyle, 

1030
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,500
not for prescriptions. 
We want to double down on that. 

1031
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,000
So we're looking at, you know, I
just created this health score. 

1032
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,200
That uses a bunch of different 
laboratory, laboratory values 

1033
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:17,200
and estimates overall. 
Overall risk comparing them 

1034
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,100
against the rest of the 
population. 

1035
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Relation to give them a single 
score of their health, which 

1036
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,200
we're going to be tracking over 
time, delivering to our 

1037
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,600
patients, on their app and stuff
like that. 

1038
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,600
So that'll be super cool. 
Kind of like, gamifying helpful 

1039
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,800
little bit, you know, where you 
discoursed. 

1040
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,300
Me2. 
And you're like, ah, 72 that's 

1041
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:33,600
not good, that's a solid C. 
I need to work on that, you 

1042
00:46:33,607 --> 00:46:35,200
know. 
So you start doing some things 

1043
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,300
and you focus in on the area's 
it tells you like why your 

1044
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,700
scores down, you know why you 
need to do this this and that to

1045
00:46:39,707 --> 00:46:42,300
get your score up and you know 
you do those things and your 

1046
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,000
score goes up 76 and you watch 
it over time and you know, keep 

1047
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,800
track of your health. 
So I'm super excited about that.

1048
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:51,600
Getting into Into like, you 
know, gamification and the 

1049
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,900
social aspect of Health. 
I think it's something that's 

1050
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:57,900
really missing, you know, I 
think people people respond to 

1051
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400
people respond to like the 
culture of their environment and

1052
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,900
they respond to other people. 
And there's something very like 

1053
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,800
Stark and clinical about 
medicine right now where you 

1054
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,200
know, you go into this quiet 
room and you talk to your doctor

1055
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,400
about problems and then you 
leave that room, you never tell 

1056
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,800
anybody about it, right? 
Like why is it like that? 

1057
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,700
Why can't it be? 
Why can't it be more like a 

1058
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:18,100
crossfit gym where everybody 
goes? 

1059
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,800
And just talks about stuff and 
has fun and you know, people 

1060
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,400
commiserate and then they you 
know and they share share hints 

1061
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,600
and tips. 
Like that's that's my vision of 

1062
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,500
Health in the future so figuring
out a way to to gamify this a 

1063
00:47:30,508 --> 00:47:32,600
little bit. 
Take some of the intensity off 

1064
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,300
of it and then also create some 
like, social interaction around 

1065
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:36,800
it. 
I think is where I'd like to go.

1066
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,100
Now thing that makes offense, 
man, I feel like the current 

1067
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:43,900
system as it sits is not great. 
I don't think anybody enjoys the

1068
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,000
current system except maybe big 
farm, they're probably a fan. 

1069
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,100
Yeah, I can't imagine they're 
going to be Too keen on what 

1070
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:51,300
you're rolling out here. 
With people trying to be more 

1071
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:53,600
empowered, to focus on 
environmental factors and 

1072
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,500
improve their health through 
their own day-to-day actions 

1073
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,600
though. 
Now, I can't I can't either. 

1074
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,500
I mean the fact that the fact 
that we're getting outcomes that

1075
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:04,400
are better than you see with 
pharmaceutical interventions is 

1076
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,700
you know just a testament to the
fact that like we're just doing 

1077
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:08,600
this wrong. 
Like we're to regularly. 

1078
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,100
Prescribing people pills when we
should be prescribing them 

1079
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,900
lifestyle change and helping 
them with that not just saying 

1080
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:16,100
like you need to eat better. 
You need to exercise more, 

1081
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,900
telling them how to do it. 
And then, Neptune in with the 

1082
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,100
health coach, that can actually 
work actually work with them on 

1083
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,400
a daily basis, to make sure 
they're actually an acting and 

1084
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,900
acting this recommendations, 
like, that's that's what we 

1085
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:27,300
need. 
And then eventually, you know, 

1086
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,400
maybe that health coaches less 
involved and maybe it's more the

1087
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,300
community that's helping them, 
you know, inactives those 

1088
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:34,900
recommendations. 
So, yeah, we got to think about 

1089
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:36,300
it differently. 
That's the, that's the main 

1090
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:37,700
point. 
Yeah, totally. 

1091
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,400
Totally agree. 
And when is all that getting 

1092
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,200
rolled down some of that spice. 
So, the hell score just got 

1093
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,300
rolled out to our patients right
now. 

1094
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:45,500
They don't even know what's they
only know? 

1095
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:46,900
It's there. 
I'm gonna, we're gonna announce 

1096
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,600
it here in a couple months. 
And, you know, the community 

1097
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,300
stuff is that stuff that we're 
actively working on, but that's 

1098
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,400
best probably be in the 
pipeline. 

1099
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,800
A little ways that takes a lot 
of legal. 

1100
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,100
Yeah. 
And a lot of a lot of 

1101
00:48:59,107 --> 00:49:01,100
technological advance. 
But before we can make all that 

1102
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,900
happen, I do feel like there's a
massive benefit, like, people 

1103
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:05,200
people. 
I don't think it's good. 

1104
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,900
That people are so secretive 
with everything. 

1105
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,000
Like, I totally respect people's
privacy, but I'm telling you, if

1106
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,000
you've got any concern, whether 
it's, you know, how to get 

1107
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,700
better career stability, I had 
to have a better relationship, 

1108
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,300
how to have better health. 
Like, when you, when you It 

1109
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,200
through the lens of it, being 
this quiet. 

1110
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,500
Hush Hush thing that you're too 
embarrassed to talk about the 

1111
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:26,200
likelihood that improves just 
becomes diminished. 

1112
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,300
Whereas, if you're freely 
speaking about it to people that

1113
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:30,300
are genuinely interested in 
improving your own health and 

1114
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:34,000
well-being, you're much more 
likely to improve upon it from 

1115
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,500
taking on people's advice and 
wisdom that have been there done

1116
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:37,700
that. 
And I've already figured out 

1117
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:39,400
what works well, and could 
potentially work well for your 

1118
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,900
own self totally. 
Now, I think there's a, there's 

1119
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:44,000
a neurobehavioral benefit that 
to that as well, right? 

1120
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,100
And I think, you know, that's 
you ask me, what else I'm 

1121
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,200
interested in the other area 
that I mentioned is Their 

1122
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,400
behavioral health because I 
think there's a there's a 

1123
00:49:50,408 --> 00:49:54,500
stronger Mind Body Connection 
than I think most people in the 

1124
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,100
field acknowledge, you know, I 
think everybody says sure 

1125
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,700
there's a mind-body connection 
but, you know, I've seen Time 

1126
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,700
Time After Time, Again of people
who are stressed out, who have, 

1127
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:06,600
you know, laboratory markers 
just like all over the place 

1128
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,200
there, inflammations high, all 
these things are problem, you 

1129
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,400
know, maybe we handle some of 
that, but we mostly focus on the

1130
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,700
stress and get their stress 
down, get them near 

1131
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,900
behaviourally in a better place.
And then the next thing you 

1132
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,700
realize is like, man, all these 
things got better like, They're 

1133
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:21,300
like helping their stress, 
reduce their inflammation, 

1134
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:23,900
helping their stress, you know, 
improve their lipid profile, 

1135
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:25,600
improve their metabolic 
syndrome. 

1136
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,500
Like so much of our of our 
challenges in healthcare today 

1137
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:35,100
are just Master behavioral 
issues so finding ways to focus 

1138
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,400
on that. 
And I think Community is a huge 

1139
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,000
part of that and developing a 
community for people to be a 

1140
00:50:40,008 --> 00:50:43,600
part of gives them that that 
that opportunity to improve 

1141
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,500
their near Behavioral Health, 
which then down the line, 

1142
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,500
improves their their ADI. 
Yeah, totally green. 

1143
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:52,800
When it comes to quantifying 
measuring manipulating stress. 

1144
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,700
Like, do you have a specific 
proxy that you use to kind of 

1145
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,800
gauge run, like you're using 
like an aura ring and looking at

1146
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,800
HRV and ready to score? 
Like how do you kind of make 

1147
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,500
that tangible? 
Like, on a day-to-day basis for 

1148
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:04,500
you? 
Yeah. 

1149
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,300
So some of its objective and we 
do use, like subjective scoring 

1150
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:10,000
systems for people, so that we 
can kind of measure their 

1151
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,500
subjective evaluation of stress 
because I think that's important

1152
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:14,600
too, but objective data is 
great. 

1153
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,800
Right? 
So, you know, I love, I love HRV

1154
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:21,900
as As a marker stress, it's not 
perfect for for direct 

1155
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:24,800
neurobehavioral stress because 
there's a certainly an overlap 

1156
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,500
between emotional and physical 
stress and HR be like, you know,

1157
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:31,100
you go have a significantly hard
at work out or something that 

1158
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:33,100
your interview is going to 
plummet just like it would if, 

1159
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:36,000
you know, give a big board 
presentation and you are super 

1160
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,900
stressed. 
So you see on this, from both of

1161
00:51:37,908 --> 00:51:39,200
them, so you have to keep that 
in mind. 

1162
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,400
But yeah, combination of 
objective, which with things 

1163
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,500
like biomarkers. 
So you know, we regularly follow

1164
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,000
our patients or and mu cream. 
We are whoop data. 

1165
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:52,400
We actually have an app now that
our patients connect with and it

1166
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,300
pulls biometric data from Apple 
health and pulls it into our 

1167
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:59,500
app, which is super cool because
now I can use that data that we 

1168
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,800
collect on patients that 
biometric data to start, you 

1169
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,500
know, creating a notification 
system for patients, reminding 

1170
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,300
them that they need to be doing 
certain things that the 

1171
00:52:07,308 --> 00:52:10,000
physician is recommended where, 
you know, you can connect the 

1172
00:52:10,008 --> 00:52:14,900
dots between like lower HRV, 
recent exercise plan, you know 

1173
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,300
recent dietary change with 
reduction in calories and Put 

1174
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:20,700
those three things together and 
say, hey, we're going too far in

1175
00:52:20,707 --> 00:52:23,500
this direction now. 
We need to, you know, we need to

1176
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:26,200
reduce the exercise, we need to 
increase the calories, you know,

1177
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,300
you can start to really connect 
the dots between multiple 

1178
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:30,800
things. 
So, love, love that data. 

1179
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:35,600
I think it's really useful to 
get a fuller phenotypic view of 

1180
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,700
our patients, on a day-to-day 
basis because, you know, even if

1181
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,700
I'm doing Labs every month on 
you, which is, you know, 

1182
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,900
ridiculously Contour regular 
compared to the standard Health 

1183
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,600
Care System. 
It's nothing like daily. 

1184
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:48,000
You know, if I can get daily 
data on my patients, that allows

1185
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:51,400
cause me to really interact 
daily change in their lives and 

1186
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,100
and and help them make the 
changes that are necessary to 

1187
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,000
get better. 
You know, like one of my stick 

1188
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,300
favorite sayings is, you know 
what gets measured, what does it

1189
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:02,200
say? 
What gets measured gets managed.

1190
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:03,500
I love it. 
I love it. 

1191
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:06,900
Thank you to remember and it's 
so true you know like once you 

1192
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,600
start measuring those things 
people actually start paying 

1193
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,400
attention to them and I can pay 
attention to the more and 

1194
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,900
actually make recommendations 
that are more meaningful to my 

1195
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:16,900
patients and not you know a 
month old. 

1196
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,100
Yeah I agree and I feel like 
Having a way to bring all that 

1197
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:22,300
data together is very, very 
important. 

1198
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:24,700
I feel like a lot of people like
they have an ordering, they have

1199
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:28,500
a loop strap, they have a smart 
scale and it's all they 

1200
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:32,400
compartment compartmentalize it 
all, which is fine, but it's not

1201
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,600
really using all that to the 
full potential errors. 

1202
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,200
If you have a place to take all 
that, all that information, put 

1203
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,400
it all together and kind of see 
how certain Trends come and go 

1204
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,500
as a result of all the different
levers. 

1205
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:44,600
You're pulling simultaneously, 
you can have a much better 

1206
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,900
picture of what your true health
is like in the direction of 

1207
00:53:46,908 --> 00:53:49,000
trajectory or headed on. 
What was the name of that? 

1208
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,300
Abby. 
I'm assuming that's for your 

1209
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:52,500
client specifically. 
Yeah, it's wild Health. 

1210
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,900
Yeah. 
You have to be a big client to 

1211
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:55,400
get access to the app. 
Unfortunately. 

1212
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,400
Maybe one day. 
We'll we'll have it available to

1213
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,900
everybody but right now it's for
our patients. 

1214
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:01,900
Now the yeah. 
That's your what you're talking 

1215
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:02,700
about. 
Is the Holy Grail. 

1216
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,600
Basically. 
It's like, you know, it's all of

1217
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,000
my data in one place. 
It's my, it's my lifestyle data,

1218
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,500
it's my phenotypic data on a, 
you know, a monthly scale with 

1219
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,900
my laboratory information. 
It might help score and then 

1220
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:14,700
it's on a daily scale with my 
Biometrics and pulling that all 

1221
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:16,500
together. 
And then hand in hand, 

1222
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:17,800
delivering that to your health 
coach. 

1223
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,700
And Physician who were then you 
know, helping you go through all

1224
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,900
of it and making, you know, 
creating these recommendations 

1225
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,700
for a better lifestyle. 
That's that's the, that's the 

1226
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:27,000
magic. 
I love it, man. 

1227
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,400
You're doing some super exciting
stuff. 

1228
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,000
I'm here on a Cutting Edge, for 
sure. 

1229
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000
So I think I think what you're 
doing from an epigenetic 

1230
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
standpoint is of Paramount 
importance and it's incredibly 

1231
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,900
interesting and I feel like when
you tie it all together and you 

1232
00:54:36,908 --> 00:54:39,500
make it, you know what's 
happening in your environment 

1233
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,800
factors, what are you noticing 
on a day-to-day basis, what lab 

1234
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,700
and working getting an order 
that telling you, if you're like

1235
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:47,400
that I bet just takes a much 
more measured approach and I 

1236
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,200
feel like that is Is truly key. 
I mean so many people have blows

1237
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,400
my mind. 
Honestly, with the technology we

1238
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,300
have today, how oblivious people
are to what they have at their 

1239
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:00,300
fingertips, like for me, you 
know, in the health and 

1240
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,900
nutrition space. 
My biggest frustration is 

1241
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:06,300
interacting with people that 
just simply don't know enough to

1242
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:09,400
even care or know where to start
and like they can just make 

1243
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,300
these simplest little tweaks and
changes. 

1244
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:13,700
It would drastically improve 
their health but they just feel 

1245
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:15,800
totally unempowered. 
They assume it's all because 

1246
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,800
that's what their parents bless 
them with genetic. 

1247
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,800
Why? 
And it could not be farther from

1248
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,200
the truth. 
So simply bringing that the 

1249
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,800
people's, you know, Forefront of
their mind I think is huge man. 

1250
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,800
So keep doing exactly what you 
doing there. 

1251
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:28,500
Yeah, I appreciate that. 
Yeah. 

1252
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:30,900
And you know I think there's a 
there's a big component of 

1253
00:55:30,908 --> 00:55:34,200
Education there to you know, 
mean actually teaching teaching 

1254
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,000
patients why things are the way 
they are, why they're why their 

1255
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,200
health is the way it is. 
And and so that they understand 

1256
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,700
why they're making these changes
in their lifestyle, why are 

1257
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:46,100
these going to benefit them? 
Is super important as well. 

1258
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:48,100
And something that I think is 
also lost in the standard Health

1259
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:50,200
Care system. 
I know like my own personal 

1260
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,300
Journey, you know I did. 
I I made all these changes 

1261
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:55,500
because I learned about myself 
because I got obsessed with it 

1262
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:58,700
and it takes it takes a level of
like education and Obsession 

1263
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:01,900
about about health in general. 
In order to really understand 

1264
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:04,100
why you're going, why you're 
doing these things and then when

1265
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:06,300
you really understand them, 
you're much more willing to make

1266
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:07,700
a lifestyle. 
Change the make? 

1267
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:09,100
Yeah. 
Honestly like that. 

1268
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:12,800
People want to have very you 
know short tangible wins in 

1269
00:56:12,808 --> 00:56:15,200
order to stay motivated for the 
Long Haul and I feel like you 

1270
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,900
know someone's got to lose 50 
pounds, it's going to be 

1271
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:20,200
daunting but if someone can Look
at their blood sugar via simple 

1272
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,000
glucometer and then 48 hours 
later. 

1273
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,900
See it again after they've made 
a couple of shifts in their diet

1274
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:25,800
and see that it's dropped 100 
points like that, right. 

1275
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,800
There's a power ring that gives 
them hope that, hey, something 

1276
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,500
they're doing is working, man. 
I love I love CGM. 

1277
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:35,900
They see GM is like, the is, is 
the the like the poster child 

1278
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:38,400
for Behavior change because it's
so instantaneous. 

1279
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,700
Right? 
You know, it's more 

1280
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:40,900
instantaneous and really 
anything else. 

1281
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:42,900
I mean even or ringing? 
Whoop, you're waiting. 

1282
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:45,200
You know, for the next day, 
until you get to see your sleep 

1283
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,200
score, right? 
So, it's always laid, right? 

1284
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,400
It's like, oh, that's Right. 
I shouldn't have had that second

1285
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,800
gear last night because now my 
now my sleep scores terrible 

1286
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,300
with the CGM. 
It's like in your face, you 

1287
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,100
know. 
It's like it's like oh you need 

1288
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:57,300
some sugar here. 
Look at this. 

1289
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,000
Yeah. 
Which I love. 

1290
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:02,000
I love that CGM. 
I'm still waiting for the sea or

1291
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,800
the yeah, CCM come out. 
You know, continuous courtesan 

1292
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,300
modern. 
That'd be interesting for sure. 

1293
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,000
That would be super cool and an 
American, you know? 

1294
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,500
So, so I think it's out there to
be honest, and, but it's not a 

1295
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,000
courtesan monitor. 
Its HR view monitor, have you 

1296
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,800
seen any of these devices that 
that real-time track your HR? 

1297
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800
I have not worked. 
What companies doing that couple

1298
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,200
of coins. 
So once called Leaf, I think 

1299
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,300
it's l, IE F and the other one 
and the other one is hand. 

1300
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:30,900
Oh, and these are like my, these
are like my favorite, my 

1301
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,600
favorite new devices, for sure. 
Because what they do is they sit

1302
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,600
on your body, the leaf, at least
it's on it's on your body on 

1303
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,700
your chest and it measures your 
HRV in real time. 

1304
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:41,600
And it'll actually give you buy 
a feedback. 

1305
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,000
When your HR be drops, it'll 
vibrate on your chest when your 

1306
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,500
HIV drops and remind you to 
breathe. 

1307
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:49,200
And then if it drops to a A 
certain level, and you can train

1308
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,900
it to decide when to win to 
vibrate basically. 

1309
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:55,600
But if you set it to a specific 
level, same HIV drops below 50. 

1310
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,800
I want you to vibrate, and then 
take me through a 5-minute 

1311
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,100
breathing exercise or 30-second 
breathing exercise or whatever, 

1312
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,900
and it will literally do that. 
As soon as your interview drops,

1313
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,400
it'll vibrate a couple times to 
let you know. 

1314
00:58:05,408 --> 00:58:07,900
It's about to do it and then it 
will go through the series of 

1315
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:10,500
vibrations to remind you how to 
breathe, right? 

1316
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:12,500
So then you go through this 
breathing exercise, and then 

1317
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:15,100
your HRV, you know, skyrockets 
goes way back up. 

1318
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:19,700
So I use this for probably six. 
And it was one of the most 

1319
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:22,900
influential that in CGM. 
Probably to most influential 

1320
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,600
devices I've ever used in terms 
of behavior change because it 

1321
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,100
taught me when in my life, my 
HRV drops and what it feels like

1322
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,200
when a Char views drop, you can 
actually feel your interview 

1323
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,900
drop. 
There's a sensation in your gut 

1324
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,800
that you get when you're hrd 
goes below, its average range, 

1325
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,600
and once you recognize that, 
then you can start in that 

1326
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,400
creates its, you know, your own 
biofeedback. 

1327
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,600
So now you're on your own 
biofeedback device, then you can

1328
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,400
take yourself through these 
different breathing exercises 

1329
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,300
together, HIV backup. 
Super powerful stuff, really? 

1330
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,100
Really interesting. 
And that's available to the 

1331
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,400
general public, I think so. 
Yeah, it's last. 

1332
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,600
I checked that you can, you can 
get the Leaf device as a part of

1333
00:58:57,607 --> 00:58:59,400
the general public. 
You can also get it covered by 

1334
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,000
your insurance based on certain 
diagnosis if you want to have 

1335
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,900
your physician to it. 
But it's affordable for what 

1336
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:08,100
it's worth. 
Yeah, not I think that you 

1337
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:09,800
mentioned. 
I think I have seen one person 

1338
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,000
wearing those ant like a 
biofeedback cops had no idea 

1339
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,500
what it was, but then make 
sense, probably what it would 

1340
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,700
look kind of like Iron, Man, 
walk around with my chest, you 

1341
00:59:16,707 --> 00:59:18,800
know, it. 
Pretty, they're pretty small. 

1342
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,800
Now they're really you can wear 
them on your shirt and nobody. 

1343
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,300
Nobody knows what they are. 
But but yeah, like, like, for 

1344
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:28,000
example, I realized that I 
breath hold when I, when I read 

1345
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,000
meal, when I write emails, you 
know, I think email apnea is a 

1346
00:59:31,008 --> 00:59:33,500
really, really common thing 
that, you know, most people can 

1347
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,700
can sort of like, you know, talk
about that even realize what it 

1348
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:39,300
is until you actually do it. 
And then, you know what I would 

1349
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,000
notice is every time I get down,
sit down, write an email, my HIV

1350
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,600
just plummeted, I mean to go 
from like 92 like 45 and I 

1351
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,300
learned how to breathe while 
Ryan Email. 

1352
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,600
So just that small thing has 
changed my HIV and extremely 

1353
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,600
regular basis, because I'm on 
email all the time. 

1354
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,400
So really, really meaningful 
Behavior change. 

1355
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:58,400
Do you D mouth tape when you 
sleep. 

1356
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:02,500
Yes, I have tried it. 
Bothers, it drives me crazy. 

1357
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,200
Yeah, I'm not too. 
I'm not too bad of a mouth 

1358
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,000
breather so so it doesn't it's 
not too big of an issue for me 

1359
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,500
but I've tried it a few times. 
Yeah. 

1360
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:12,800
Feel like that that is like a 
super simple win that. 

1361
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,300
A lot of people don't even know 
about but like many, many people

1362
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,500
snore they have some mild form 
of sleep apnea. 

1363
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:19,000
I feel like I'm just getting 
that. 

1364
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,100
Now that I'm if you think about 
your spending, you know between 

1365
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:24,200
68 hours a night sleeping you 
got to get that down then or 

1366
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,400
else you're just you know taking
years off your life. 

1367
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Probably totally and you know, 
Breathe Right. 

1368
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Strips can help a lot. 
I know a lot of people who've 

1369
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,000
had a lot of benefit from those,
you know, if you're just just 

1370
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,500
opening up your nasal 
passageways will help reduce 

1371
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:37,900
your likelihood of opening your 
mouth. 

1372
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,400
Yeah, that's a good point. 
I love it, man. 

1373
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,800
Where do people go to find out 
more about you and just dive 

1374
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,600
into your world and easiest 
place is wild health.com from 

1375
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,400
there. 
You can get to podcast, we've 

1376
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,200
got a podcast called wild 
Health, you can check it out if 

1377
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,900
you want to see, if you want to 
be patient. 

1378
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:56,200
We've also on Instagram and wild
health MD, nice. 

1379
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,000
I'm at the do this whole genetic
panel with you. 

1380
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:01,800
Then what the bring you back on 
the podcast then do like a deep 

1381
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,000
dive into what those genetic 
markers mean real time on the 

1382
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,700
podcast? 
Yeah let's do that. 

1383
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:07,700
Sounds awesome. 
Awesome. 

1384
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:10,200
And until then brother, you take
care, pleasure chatting with 

1385
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,700
you. 
I learned a ton and I keep 

1386
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:14,100
fighting the good fight, man. 
Thanks Robert, appreciate it, 

1387
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:14,500
take care.