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Hello, ladies and gents Roberts,
excuse a.com, and today I've got

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special guest Bart. 
K on the line, Bart has a 

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tremendous background in 
physiology in nutrition, and we 

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dive deep into what all he's 
learned over the years. 

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In studying that subject matter,
we talked quite a bit about 

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metabolism. 
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species-appropriate diet, what 
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a species have come from and how
that should ideally dictate, the

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type of nutrition that we 
consume to this day. 

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We talked quite a bit about 
General, macro. 

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Oh, nutrient recommendations 
protein intake, dietary fat 

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consumption whether or not it 
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carbohydrates and behind agree. 
Fiber, we talked some about some

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controversial topics within the 
keto carnivore space, such as 

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you know, should fruit and honey
be included. 

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We talk about Dairy a bit. 
We talked about all kinds of 

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things. 
I really enjoy the conversation,

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he has a very popular YouTube 
channel in which he debunks. 

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Many common myths out there and 
also I just wanted to bring him 

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on and pick his own brain as to 
what he's learned and how he's 

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applying. 
That to his own personal 

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nutrition, and how is optimized 
it that? 

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So thoroughly enjoy the 
conversation. 

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I've got no doubt that you will 
take quite a way quite a bit 

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away from this discussion. 
So without further delay, sit 

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back. 
Relax. 

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Enjoy podcast with Bart. 
Kay 

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And we are live Bart. 
How I sir? 

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I'm very well. 
So, how are you? 

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I'm doing wonderfully? 
Well, myself. 

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So I've been a perusing on your 
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And I'd kind of like to start 
this off with something a little

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bit off topic, like, what is 
something that you're working on

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that? 
Nobody that watches your YouTube

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channel or Instagram would be 
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what is your interest outside? 
Side of the nutrition space, 

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right? 
Most people that watch me, don't

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understand that. 
What they see on YouTube on the 

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various different YouTube 
channels and the various 

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different YouTube videos that I 
put out. 

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Most people don't understand, 
I'm playing characters. 

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Mmm, the information I'm giving 
is correct. 

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It is valid. 
It is robust, that is 

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scientifically good. 
But what I'm doing is I'm at 

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educating people by subterfuge 
because what I found out very 

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Very early on. 
Was that people want to be 

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amused or shocked or offended or
surprised in some way, what they

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don't want us to be educated. 
and so I started to put these 

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characters in play the field 
Marshal and we bought yellow kid

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online, and The cursing in the 
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and and who's wrong on the 
interwebs style videos, all that

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kind of stuff. 
Yeah, all characters in in real 

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life, I'm a retired scientist. 
I don't work in Academia anymore

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and I've kind of gone back to an
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to an earlier version 
personality. 

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Where, in my twenties, I used to
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playing. 
I played a number of rock bands 

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in the 80s and all that kind of 
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And I kind of spend a lot of my 
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another she got a YouTube 
channel where I do a bit of that

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and I'm going to start to post 
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So most people don't know that 
about me singer guitar player. 

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There's just one thing I like 
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Do you feel like the 
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created for yourself in the 
nutrition space online is, like,

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does that ever wear on you? 
Like all the just, I mean, you 

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get a lot of hate whenever you 
speak out about whether people 

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are thinking As pertains to 
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It's very divisive topic. 
Yeah, I'm sure you get a lot of 

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hate from that does is that 
we're on you or you develop 

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thick enough scam or doesn't 
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Its kind of somewhere in the 
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I mean, for the most part, most 
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that and I can work with that 
and I can just do what I'm doing

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and I can separate myself the 
real me, the offline me from the

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characters on the YouTubes. 
Because that's the guy that's 

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Copland a Backlash. 
It's not me. 

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It's nothing to do with me. 
It's just a character. 

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I'm playing. 
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what, you know, the level of of 
hate that comes through and it's

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not so much the level of hate 
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It's more than love stupid. 
I'm for example if I post a 

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video about our favorite friend,
mr. 

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Doucet. 
That generally. 

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Engenders. 
Ten, twenty thousand comments 

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from Greg dusit supporters, 
which are full of hate, which is

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not pleasant, but it's just, 
they're so stupid. 

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There's just absolutely no 
intelligence behind anything 

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that any of these people have to
say, they have no grasp on the 

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subject matter at hand. 
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It's literally like I am the 
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Chimpanzee for attacking their 
head chimpanzee and they are 

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literally taking a dump in their
hand and flinging it at me 

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basically. 
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Go go go, bad ball, pitcher 
benzio, you know, something like

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that. 
So that can get on top 

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sometimes. 
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just take a day or two out and I
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just go and sit in the Sun or go
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Play some guitar and take some 
walks around where I live, which

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is a Edible part of the world 
with Incredible nature and 

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scenery and all of that. 
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reground to me. 
That's okay, fine. 

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You know, I'm okay now. 
Yeah, and to it. 

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So yeah, it looks like you got a
little homesteading operation to

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going on. 
Like you got chickens and one 

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looks like it. 
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chicken Farmers, a commercial 
chicken farm, that produces free

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range eggs. 
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upwards of 100,000 hens. 
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ourselves but we do live on a 
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is just a guess, a word for a 
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It's a small block of land where
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goats and you know, Few other 
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of dogs. 
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live on this property at, you 
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you know, we're not on top of 
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Yeah, it's it's, it's off grid. 
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We get all our water from a 
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the property, along the back of 
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So we have no Municipal Water 
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get with that. 
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It's 35 minutes from the nearest
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It's perfect. 
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That's that is grounding in and 
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We can get some land as well, 
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fencing things in. 
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And I feel like, you know, just 
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the chaos that's online. 
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into the animals like that. 
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itself. 
Absolutely. 

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And if you can get the chickens 
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in. 
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are going for now for sure. 
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you've got countless videos on 
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Kind of debunking myths that 
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and I haven't watched them all 
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of get a grasp of your stance on
nutrition, but rather than 

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trying to decipher that from 
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Others stances, I'd love to just
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and kind of figure out what your
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is Yeah, sure. 
So the the idea that I'm putting

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forward is that The evidence for
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human being all human beings 
because we're all the same 

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species. 
We all have the same organ 

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systems. 
Our genetic differences between 

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one person. 
The next are really very, very 

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minor. 
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at large is actually correct. 
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between people in terms of Where
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person on several items if you 
like, but that's okay. 

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When we're looking for evidence 
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human being is what we need to 
do is ignore everything that's 

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inside. 
The fence of this ring fenced 

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area of so-called science which 
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human nutrition science. 
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because that's not actually not 
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fenced area of ideology 
propaganda spin, doctor, e, and 

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bought and paid for this entropy
the ideas that you'll get from 

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there. 
Universally not backed by good 

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rigorous discipline the science,
they are backed by the almighty 

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dollar. 
They are bought and paid for. 

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And if you want to look for 
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there are two places you can. 
Look number one, have a look at 

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public health statistics and Any
westernized Nation where this 

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so-called gold standard advice 
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Has been prevalent for 80 to 100
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Secondly you look at the actual 
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anatomy, human physiology 
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physiology with other animals. 
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of the development of the human 
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Over the last three hundred and 
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protohumans for four and a half 
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You look, you look at actual 
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And those are the sciences that 
all universally would lead us to

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a filly inescapable conclusion 
of what it was that the human 

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diet has been unequivocally. 
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that means for sure, for at 
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more like four and a half 
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We know what we have eaten and 
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Maids largely not so many organs
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large ruminant animals. 
That's not a question. 

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That is what that is, definitely
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Then you apply the knowledge of 
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which is not a theory, by the 
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It's neither, is it an idea? 
Neither, is it debunker ball. 

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It's also hard science with 
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we've seen this happening in 
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So why not humans to where you 
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So it's definite. 
So you add that into the mix and

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you go well, okay, if that's 
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many hundred thousand years and 
probably Millions, Wouldn't it 

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follow that? 
Those are the jeans selected for

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and that jeans that wouldn't 
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would be the ones selected 
against and that leads us to an 

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inescapable conclusion as to how
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diet today. 
Given that the change. 

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From our ancestral species, 
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To the one we have now has 
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years, which in evolutionary 
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the eye of flash-in-the-pan. 
Our genetics have not reacted to

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that, and that's why you then 
look at the public health 

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statistics about, you know, 
since we've instigated this idea

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of the standard American the 
standard Western Stern diet and 

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told people, this is how they 
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This is how you should feed 
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Have We Become Slimmer fitter 
stronger, healthier, we having 

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less heart attacks. 
We have unless diabetes, are we 

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having less cancer and we have 
enlisted men. 

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Shh, the answer all of those 
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absolutely. 
No. 

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None of those things are 
happening, are they looks like 

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we've got something wrong here? 
That's really where I'm coming 

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from. 
All of that is also superimposed

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with an absolute insistence 
that, anyone who claims there is

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science. 
Within the human nutrition 

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fraternity field. 
That proves any of what I've 

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just said wrong in any way will 
get dumped on because this 

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simply is no such science. 
It does not exist. 

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So that's kind of the The line, 
I take the Line in the Sand. 

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Yeah. 
And that's, that's the hill on 

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defending, I guess. 
And that makes total rational 

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sense to me like, when I try and
dissect everything from a Bare 

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Bones, basic, you know, approach
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be too hard to swallow. 
I mean, it's pretty much how I 

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eat. 
Now, I'm certainly not eaten a 

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raw vegan that banned amines. 
I try to stick to what is it 

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ancestrally appropriate diet as 
a species? 

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Why do you think there's so much
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In that from people that are not
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academic field not coming from a
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bit but it seems to me that for 
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that we call the peer-reviewed 
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The stuff that's in the 
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experienced consumers of that 
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those papers up and read those 
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Most of those words, they might 
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word or the meaning of the odd 
concept to follow along. 

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But they are in no position, 
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the robustness veracity validity
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collection of papers. 
They do not have the training in

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statistical inference which is 
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scientifically. 
They do not have any experience 

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running planning their own 
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under their belt. 
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process. 
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and published in a journal 
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And as such people at large, 
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work and view it as some kind of
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kind of almost biblical. 
Unchallengeable. 

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Word of God type material. 
And you can pick these people 

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from a mile away because you'll 
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based on asking the person to 
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their common sense just a bit 
and think from and their first 

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comeback is showing me the 
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Yeah, it's the only place that 
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studies and that if you've got 
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And if you don't have a study 
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That shows an absolute ignorance
of what studies are and what 

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they can and cannot inform on 
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isn't. and, Yeah, no, I get the 
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within the nutritional sphere at
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evidence backed, you know, 
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very heavily on these peer 
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But it's frustrating because 
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oftentimes those studies are 
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for an incredibly short period 
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And I see that a lot, especially
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carnivore Community. 
They're, they're pointing to You

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know a degradation in 
performance over people have 

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been following the diet for a 
matter of weeks which is not a 

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fair study at all. 
That's also expected. 

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Yeah. 
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expect to happen. 
Yes. 

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Quite right. 
So small sample sizes, very 

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small subject pools, very 
short-term, studies and absolute

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distance, shushan of the 
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In other words any nutritional 
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free live in their own homes. 
Under their own recognizance is 

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totally invalid if you did not 
watch that person under lock and

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key 24/7 and ensure that they 
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experimental protocol that you 
asked them to follow. 

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You don't know that they did 
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you ask someone to do something 
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normally doing, Even if you tell
them how important it is, that 

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they absolutely stay within the 
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asked to do. 
It's an imposition and they'll 

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go a pirate. 
I'm going to do this that or the

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other thing. 
And I'll just tell the 

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researches that I was absolutely
compliant. 

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They not hear. 
They can't see what does it 

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matter? 
I'm only one person anyway, and 

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that destroys the validity of 
all such studies Another 

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pointer, which comes to mind 
immediately is if you have two 

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sub populations of people 
population, a and population, be

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population, a your control 
people and population, be your 

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experimental people, if 
population a, and population B 

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are not genetically, identical 
to one another from the outside.

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You don't, we're finished. 
If you have to randomly selected

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groups of people who are not 
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we're done. because, There are 
so many degrees of freedom there

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are there, that could be 
covariates. 

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Confounds: the era teas that 
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You have not eliminated the 
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difference between those two. 
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led to the different outcome 
more so than your experimental 

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intervention, whatever that was.
So how does one conduct studies 

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efficacious, studies in 
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studies that are in existence? 
Like should be put much stock in

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them at all. 
Or should we just take them all 

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with a grain of salt should be 
up and view them? 

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Good question. 
The short answer is, how do you 

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conduct such studies effectively
correctly with scientific 

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discipline and such a way as 
that we could take them 

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seriously in terms of their 
outcomes. 

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The answer is you cannot do 
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You need a large group of people
for statistical power. 

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They need to be genetically 
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need to have had identical life 
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life. 
Have the two up to the point 

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where your experimental protocol
begins, you then need to lock 

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these people in labs for your 
experimental period, which needs

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to be multiple decades. 
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long-term Health outcomes as it 
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nutrition. 
You have to control every aspect

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of their lives in the in that 
period of time that they are 

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locked in those labs hours of 
daylight exercise, exact 

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outputs, every other facet of 
everything down to the smallest,

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my new detail any step back from
any of those kind of things. 

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It is a compromise on the 
validity repeatability 

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robustness scientifically of 
those findings. 

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As such you are never ever going
to get ethics to run such a 

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study. 
Yeah, ever. 

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Secondly, it's totally 
impractical. 

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To run such a multi-decade or 
study with such a degree of 

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control over everything anyway. 
And see, where's the money 

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coming from for this? 
so instead what we do is we rely

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on this other, Ring fenced area 
of not even science. 

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It's actually it's not even 
pseudoscience. 

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It's actually anti-science it's 
nonsense and it's called 

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nutritional epidemiology. 
We're what we do is we go it's 

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too hard to run a disciplined 
robust study and control all of 

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our confounds. in the first 
instance, before we collect our 

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data, so here's what we're going
to do, instead, we're going to 

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collect a bunch of data on 
outcomes of people that we 

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follow is what they call it. 
We followed these people, which 

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means we will ask them once at 
the outset of the study, what 

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their diet looks like. 
Now, I'll make something up 

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because people tell lies, 
basically, all right, down what 

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I said and believe them. 
Absolutely. 

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Then we'll just keep tabs on 
those people. 

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So, 5 10, 20 years, whatever it 
is. 

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And we'll see how many of them 
have developed XYZ health 

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condition, or how many of them 
have died or whatever. 

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The outcome of the study is that
Looking at and then we'll take 

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that out comes to cystic and 
we'll write it down on a piece 

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of paper. 
Then we'll screw that piece of 

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paper up, throw it over our 
shoulder into the ash can and 

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make up a different number on 
the basis of what we believe it 

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would have been had. 
We bothered to control all the 

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things that we didn't control in
the first place. 

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And then we'll report that 
number. 

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But it also report that number 
in such a way as to make it look

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really important. 
When actually in absolute terms,

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the difference between 
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usually so minuscule as to make 
no difference whatsoever to the 

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meaningful. 
Likelihood of any outcome for 

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anyone given individual over a 
100 Year life span. 

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And as such to any one given 
person, the utility of those 

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studies is none. 
There are only useful to public 

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policy, Setters. 
I guess. 

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If those public policy centers 
are. 

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So ill educated us believe that 
such studies can inform on cause

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and effect risk or Hazard 
anyway, which they can't. 

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So, that's what we rely on. 
For all our ideas about 

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long-term outcomes of health or 
longevity in humans as it 

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relates to nutrition as such. 
That's where my stance come from

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that, there is no science here. 
Yeah, Point what we need to do 

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is be honest with people and 
stop saying we have all the 

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signs piles of evidence. 
We have you'll hear a lot of 

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these Charlotte and say 
converging lines of evidence. 

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They'll say compelling evidence,
they'll say to which my response

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is always great site it for us 
because that's clearly something

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that Heather to I've been 
unaware of, you know, in 25 

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years of following this area of 
literature as a member of 

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Academia working in Academia 
undertaking, and In publishing 

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studies in my own right somehow,
I've been too busy doing that to

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miss this work. 
So, please site that for us this

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compelling pile of converging 
lines of evidence and, you know,

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universally people that say that
got all this evidence and all 

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the science behind them, 
generally that people with no 

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science background of their own 
in fact and invariably the pile 

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of convergent and compelling 
evidence. 

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They've got is actually nothing 
more than a pile of horse 

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manure. 
What was the and, and the bunk 

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within minutes. 
Sorry, Don what was the point 

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at? 
Which you were doing your 

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research in the academic setting
where you just totally decided 

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to deviate from the status quo 
and break free of that system? 

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Like at what point were you like
this is just not the trajectory 

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that I can fully get behind. in 
terms of as an experimental 

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scientist, when I was conducting
research and Publishing in 

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journals, there are six, this is
set pattern for how you do that.

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There's a set way that you play 
in your studies and execute them

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and communicate about what 
you've done to the editors of 

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the journals that you want those
journals to publish your work 

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and nobody in that field would 
deign to try and exercise any 

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kind of censorship. 
So long, as your work meets the 

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criteria and no cure Huge fault 
can be found with. 

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What you're saying? 
They need to get your work 

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published. 
That's fine. 

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And so I as a publishing 
scientist was always On the, the

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contrary, no sign of just about 
every argument. 

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That was being put forward, just
about every piece of so-called 

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perceived or established wisdom.
Other two. 

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I was like, well, let's look at 
it from this direction. 

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And here are some empirical 
evidence, I've collected to show

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that. 
So, that was fun. 

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It was difficult because it was 
harder to get work published, 

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but you can still get it through
the real problem for me in 

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Academia, reared, its head when 
Standing up in front of groups 

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of students to deliver a course 
in some aspect of nutrition or 

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physiology or whatever it was, I
was teaching. 

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It's an interesting one. 
Because you go for an interview 

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for an academic posting at any 
given University, if you want to

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go and work there, it's like any
other job. 

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You, you send a new CV, you send
a new list of Publications, your

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background academically, all 
that kind of stuff, things 

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you've achieved. 
Consultancies research, funding 

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that you've pulled, all of that 
and if you're in the, the top 

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bracket of the people, they want
to look at they call you in for 

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an interview just like any other
job. 

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And you go and sit in front of a
panel of people that work there 

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and they invariably ask a number
of questions. 

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But the one question that always
came up every single time was. 

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Okay, so what makes you special,
what makes you different as an 

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academic? 
What can you offer our students 

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that nobody else can? 
To which my answer was always 

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the same and it was while I'm 
never going to stand up in front

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of a group of paying students 
and tell them lies or things 

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that I do not believe to be 
robust or scientifically. 

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Correct. 
I am always going to point to 

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where I think the floors and 
foibles are and I'm never going 

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to walk the line of status quo. 
Hmm. 

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And that would all go like 
Furious notes down and you know,

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variably if I was offered the 
job which was more often than 

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not I would then go there and 
start working there and start 

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teaching. 
Exactly, according to all the 

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way I said I would do in the 
interview and then word gets 

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back to the dean several weeks 
after I started teaching are 

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that, I'm saying this that and 
the other thing to students and 

456
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,800
then that Dean would call me 
into their office in say so I 

457
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,100
heard just you've said X y&z to 
students. 

458
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,100
Yes. 
As I said I would Well you can't

459
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,800
do that. 
And I'm like are you stoned? 

460
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,400
Because number one I told you 
unequivocally absolutely that 

461
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,300
this is what I was going to do. 
I told you that's what makes me 

462
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,400
different from every other 
trained monkey that you could 

463
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,900
have hired off that list, you 
chose the one that was different

464
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,800
and said that they would stand 
up to this. 

465
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:28,900
And number two, there is a law 
in every developed, Western 

466
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:33,000
Nation, academically. 
That stage words to the effect 

467
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,700
of an academic working in an 
academic environment, teaching, 

468
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:42,200
students is free to hold and 
espouse any opinion. 

469
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,100
They should see fit for any 
reason whether that's popular or

470
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,800
not. 
It's a First Amendment style 

471
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,100
academic protection specifically
in that field for freedom of 

472
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,400
speech on there. 
Gimmicks. 

473
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,600
So, if you want to tell me what 
I can, and can't say, two groups

474
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,200
of students, you are in breach 
of the law. 

475
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,400
Keep going Charlie Brown and 
I'll see you in court, 

476
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,900
basically. 
So I spent 25 years running that

477
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:14,700
Gambit and like anything else 
that wears you down and frankly 

478
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:23,200
for a celery, As a new starting 
academic of around. 50 to 70,000

479
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:28,200
heading up to a maximum salary 
as an academic that I could 

480
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,100
command of, you know, low 
circular low. 

481
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:36,800
Sort of six figures Thrift. 
Yeah. 

482
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Six figures. 
You know, there comes a point 

483
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200
where you go, actually, this, 
this is, you know, there are 

484
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,400
better things I could do with my
life and with my energy. 

485
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,300
And so, it was at that point 
after a, particularly nasty 

486
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,700
running with my last employer 
along. 

487
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,600
Exactly the lines. 
I'm talking about here where I 

488
00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:04,400
went actually, you know what, I 
am at this point, going to cut 

489
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800
these open ties. 
I am going to step away from 

490
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Academia. 
I am going to turn my back on a 

491
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,700
nibble. 
To return. 

492
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,400
And I am going to sit up my own 
business and run my own thing 

493
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,800
walk, my own path as a 
social-media influencer, and 

494
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,200
obviously, the first Three years
or so of that were pretty lean 

495
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
because it takes a while to get 
momentum and to get known and to

496
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,000
get things going. 
But in my fourth year of doing 

497
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,900
that I had replaced my academic 
salary, plus a little bit. 

498
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Now, by no means am I now 
absolutely creamy it and making 

499
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:47,100
my Millions doing this. 
I'd like to that would be great 

500
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:53,400
and I'll continue to work 
towards that but it is a viable 

501
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,800
career path. 
For someone who is of a certain 

502
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,700
personality type does have a 
certain level of thickness of 

503
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,600
skin and is prepared to put 
themselves out there. 

504
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,700
It's A Hard Road but no harder 
than having a job. 

505
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,400
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

506
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,800
And I would advise and I would 
imagine your ability to make a 

507
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,400
lasting impact. 
On many people's lives is 

508
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:22,100
Amplified via the approach 
you're taking now. 

509
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:26,000
I'm and I come from many people,
my family are college professors

510
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,200
academics and you know they all 
speak of their desire to 

511
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,300
positively influence, the youth 
with their teachings, which has 

512
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,300
a very commendable, you know, 
career path. 

513
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:38,300
But I would, I would assume that
The amount of people you've been

514
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:41,100
able to reach just off of your 
social media, presence and 

515
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,800
YouTube channel is significantly
higher than you would ever been 

516
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:49,000
able to reach in the classroom 
setting. potentially so yes, I 

517
00:32:49,008 --> 00:33:00,400
mean I did probably teach In my 
career, possibly maybe 50,000 

518
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,400
students at various times in 
various different institutes 

519
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,800
around the world and different 
places that I taught and they're

520
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:12,300
different years. 
Now, I have a social media 

521
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:16,700
following that is roughly the 
same sort of number, but these 

522
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,700
are people who don't just have 
me for a semester. 

523
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:22,000
These are people that some of 
them have followed me for the 

524
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
whole time. 
I've been a social-media 

525
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,300
influencer like nearly five 
years. 

526
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,500
Some of them are now consider a 
likely to end up being lifelong 

527
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,600
friends. 
From that point forward. 

528
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,400
That's it. 
I know I have several lifelong 

529
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,600
friends that I gained who were 
Her ex colleagues and or X 

530
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,700
students of mine, some of whom I
taught 20 years ago, for 

531
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,100
example. 
So they're just different 

532
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:54,100
environments of working really. 
I guess if anything the 

533
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:59,900
electronic World gives me an 
ability to access and Influence 

534
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:05,900
People in vastly diverse 
geographical locations and time 

535
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:08,699
zones and things all 
simultaneously pretty much, 

536
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,300
which I could never do teaching 
physically and person I guess. 

537
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,800
Yeah, so that, that would be 
where the powers. 

538
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Yeah. 
That's more scalable and that 

539
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,500
regard for sure. 
Absolutely. 

540
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:19,800
Yes. 
Because you can only teach so 

541
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,600
many classes and have so many 
students in each class of It 

542
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,400
physically, right? 
Yeah, when it comes to nutrition

543
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,800
kind of switch gears back to 
that. 

544
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,000
Have you found there to be a lot
of like if you if you base all 

545
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,600
your nutritional protocol and 
advice on what you're 

546
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,500
personally, doing yourself off 
of that foundational, pillar of 

547
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,900
doing things in line with our 
evolutionary past, an ancestral 

548
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:47,500
appropriate diet. 
Where do you find controversy as

549
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,199
far as that protocol? 
Because, you know, some people 

550
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,699
will argue that yes we are. 
Predominantly large ruminant 

551
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,600
animals, but we also consumed, 
you know, vegetation whenever 

552
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,200
possible should vegetation make 
up a reasonable percentage of 

553
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,800
our day-to-day die. 
Like where do you stand on 

554
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,500
topics like that? 
Well, in terms of that one in 

555
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:11,200
specific in particular, it seems
like the level of vegetation 

556
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,000
that was consumed by humans in 
our evolutionary past. 

557
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:18,600
Before The Agrarian Revolution 
is what I mean. 

558
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:25,200
So 10,000 years ago, And longer 
ago than that, right up to the 

559
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,600
beginning of our species that 
plant material has been 

560
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:37,300
identified as being largely if 
not entirely Roots, tuba style 

561
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:42,400
things. 
From various plants that were 

562
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,500
almost entirely fibrous contain 
very little starch relative to 

563
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,700
the kind of roots and tubers 
that you'll find in the 

564
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,700
supermarket or greengrocer 
today. 

565
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,800
You need to understand that 
those vastly starch Laden and 

566
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,500
big robust, tubers potatoes, 
sweet potatoes, those kind of 

567
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,700
things that you'll find today 
have been selectively bred for 

568
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,000
by humans. 
Ins for multiple generations to 

569
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,900
make them what they are today. 
They are not as designed by 

570
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,500
Nature. 
The things that humans ate were 

571
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:22,200
like these long thin spindly 
almost entirely starch during 

572
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:27,000
lacking fibrous things that had 
to be boiled for hours and hours

573
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,800
and hours, and the nutrition 
that we gain from. 

574
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,100
Those was a very small amount of
short chain fatty acids as a 

575
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:38,300
function of a very inefficient 
human ability. 

576
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:44,200
T to host bacteria that will 
break down some of that fiber 

577
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:50,800
and produce those fatty acids. 
So still our intakes were 

578
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,200
basically 100%. 
Animal protein and fatty acids 

579
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,100
the, the carbohydrate intake was
to all intents and purposes 0. 

580
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,100
That is a fact. 
Yeah, it was an unequivocal 

581
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,000
fact. 
That's a scientific fact. 

582
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,800
The human beings started to 
consume any amount of plant 

583
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,100
material to speak of whatsoever 
at around about the time of the 

584
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:17,700
Uber and Revolution about 10,000
years ago. 

585
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:23,200
And it was largely at first, it 
was largely the seeds of 

586
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:29,000
grasses. 
Grains basically, and then we 

587
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,300
branched out from there and we 
selectively bred all sorts of 

588
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:40,200
plants to produce to produce 
produce, which we would find 

589
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,400
more appealing and more 
disturbing but we didn't deal 

590
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,500
with most of the problems of 
eating plants. 

591
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,000
We didn't change our genetics 
hugely because it's been an 

592
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,600
absolute genetic 
flash-in-the-pan of course. 

593
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:56,800
So that's that. 
One. 

594
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:04,400
There's been a big within the 
carnivore space. 

595
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,900
There seems to be this growing 
interest in incorporating, you 

596
00:38:08,908 --> 00:38:14,200
know, fruits and honey. 
And you know from my perspective

597
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:16,700
that obviously wasn't in line 
with our evolutionary past. 

598
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,200
I don't function well with 
fruits and honey, I don't 

599
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,500
incorporate them personally. 
Some people argue that, you 

600
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,600
know. 
Yeah we didn't have those 

601
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,500
throughout our past but from a 
optimization standpoint you 

602
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:31,000
could probably benefit from 
having them now, Now, which to 

603
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,200
me, just doesn't make much 
rational sense. 

604
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Either what's your take on this 
fruit? 

605
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,700
And honey Trend that that fruit 
and honey thing that's quite 

606
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:45,100
popular in there that a number 
of people are being basically 

607
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:49,200
we've fooled by and sucked into 
is an ideology that's being 

608
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,400
pushed by one bloke in 
particular, who is kind of the 

609
00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:00,400
head of that ideology? 
He's an ex-con of Aarhus Still 

610
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,100
has the word carnivore, and 
who's in his name that he uses 

611
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:10,500
online, which is at best 
disingenuous and at worst 

612
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:16,000
outright deceptive. 
Actually carnivores, do not run 

613
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,700
around eating fruit and honey. 
Yeah. 

614
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,900
Now what we need to understand 
about that bloke, first and 

615
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:32,800
foremost, is that he is, an MD 
who has specialized post MD 

616
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:39,500
training in the field of 
psychiatry Not nutrition. 

617
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,500
Not human metabolism. 
And certainly not how to read 

618
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:47,300
science papers. 
Secondly that bloke has in his 

619
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:51,200
life apparently not done one 
single day's work as a physician

620
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,700
in any field. 
He's a bloke like Michael Greger

621
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,800
who has the qualification, Indy,
but has never practiced 

622
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,200
medicine. 
That is my understanding of that

623
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,000
blokes professional background. 
Certainly, if you do a Google 

624
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,900
Scholar search on his 
publication record, you will 

625
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:12,900
come up blank, not one in his 
life. 

626
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,100
He's one of these blokes that 
thinks because you can pick up a

627
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:20,900
paper and read the words that 
that makes him competent to 

628
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:24,900
actually interpret the thing and
gauge judge its scientific 

629
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:28,900
veracity and deliver tea, and 
he's using that to fool people 

630
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,200
who are even stupider than he He
has to believe that he's got a 

631
00:40:32,207 --> 00:40:35,500
point. 
Do you think there's anything to

632
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,900
be gained from a physiological 
standpoint with the addition of 

633
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:44,100
fruits into the diet now from 
like a hormonal optimization or 

634
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,600
performance standpoint at all? 
Not at all. 

635
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,800
No. 
Nothing is to be gained by 

636
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,000
adding exoticness carbohydrate 
from any Source into the human 

637
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,200
diet because it is absolutely 
contraindicated for a number of 

638
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,500
reasons. 
And be one of the worst if not 

639
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,300
the worst form of carbohydrate, 
you can possibly pour down your 

640
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,900
near. 
Because fructose the reason I 

641
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:14,700
say that is because it is seven 
to ten times more damaging, at 

642
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:18,200
high concentrations to body 
tissues than is glucose. 

643
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:24,200
Yeah, I mean, I agree toxin a 
lot of fructose and it's really 

644
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,000
obvious when you look at them, 
look at a picture taken of that 

645
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,200
bloke, free years ago, and a 
picture taken of that blow this 

646
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,900
month, it will knock your socks 
off. 

647
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Yeah, I agree. 
I mean, I get a lot of pushback 

648
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,800
in the bodybuilding circles, as 
which is kind of my wheelhouse 

649
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,700
from, you know, not to consuming
carbohydrates, not consuming 

650
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
glucose and been able to perform
at a high level, and there's 

651
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,700
just so much pushback in that. 
And I think a lot of it just 

652
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:54,200
stems from the dogmatic thinking
towards that is the primary fuel

653
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,100
source to begin with. 
But when people start looking 

654
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:59,600
into, you know, the ancestral 
upbringing, there's there's not 

655
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,600
really much argument to be had 
in that regard. 

656
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,100
Now, there's an end. 
And also the idea that a power 

657
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:11,300
athlete, or a strength athlete, 
would require a high level of 

658
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:15,400
carbohydrate in their diet, to 
subserve, their ability to 

659
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,200
perform in their chosen sport or
activity. 

660
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,300
That is based on a fundamental 
misunderstanding of exercise. 

661
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,900
Physiology in the first 
instance, a lot of the other 

662
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:29,100
thing about me that a lot of 
people don't necessarily 

663
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,300
understand. 
And that is that I have three 

664
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:36,300
Advanced research to varies over
the years because I kept 

665
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,600
changing my field of 
specialization. 

666
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,900
The first one was on exercise 
physiology. 

667
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,900
After that I went to human 
nutrition. 

668
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,600
And in the latter years of my 
academic career, I then went to 

669
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,300
cardiovascular pathophysiology. 
And then I suppose my fourth 

670
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:59,400
area of expertise that over pins
are overarches, all three of the

671
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,700
of those degrees is an 
understanding of statistical 

672
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:08,600
inference and research design. 
So that's the kind of thing that

673
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,800
allows me to have this breadth 
of authority in these areas. 

674
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,900
So what I can Show strength 
athletes, hypertrophy athlete's 

675
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:21,300
body, builders sprinters, team 
sport athletes that all believe 

676
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,200
you need a huge amount of 
exoticness carbohydrate in your 

677
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,600
diet in order to perform. 
Well, I can assure you. 

678
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,900
That is absolute nonsense. 
I wholeheartedly agree, their 

679
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:36,600
absolute nonsense. 
Another how you have a 

680
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,400
performance decrease short-term,
right while you transition to a 

681
00:43:41,408 --> 00:43:44,600
species appropriate species 
specific Should you ever get 

682
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,800
your heads to point where you 
can find the courage to do? 

683
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,800
So? 
Absolutely. 

684
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,500
There will be a trough in your 
performance while your body 

685
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,500
re-equilibrate itself to the 
appropriate diet. 

686
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,300
But you need to understand 
They're human beings have a part

687
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,700
of their metabolic process 
called gluconeogenesis. 

688
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,700
And what that is, is an ability 
to produce all the glucose you 

689
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:16,900
require for all purposes. 
By making that Sugar from 

690
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:19,600
non-sugar precursors mostly, the
glycerol. 

691
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,400
Backbone is a fat molecules. 
Actually, some of it comes from 

692
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,900
protein. 
Some of it comes from other mono

693
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,800
carboxylate symptoms such as 
Lactaid, but mostly it's fat 

694
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,000
there that you can make sugar 
from. 

695
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:38,300
So to say, okay, a lot of 
carbohydrate is being 

696
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:40,400
metabolized. 
During these activities through 

697
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,600
go, you should eat a lot. 
It's just there's no logical 

698
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,800
connection there because you can
make all the sugar. 

699
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,100
You need yourself. 
Totally. 

700
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:53,700
Yeah, I completely agree there 
in, in regards to macronutrient 

701
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:57,100
distribution, if we're keeping 
total carbs at a very minimal 

702
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:01,100
intake, if if not zero, another 
point of contention, 

703
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
interestingly enough in the keto
corner, For space right now is 

704
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:10,300
the amount of dietary fat that 
one consumes and I've kind of 

705
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:14,000
defaulted towards consuming 
pretty high degree of data if 

706
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,100
and if that's where my primary 
energy source is coming from, it

707
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:18,300
stands to reason that that would
need to be relatively high as a 

708
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:21,300
percentage of total calories. 
But there's been a lot of push 

709
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:25,700
against higher fat, protocols, 
even within the keto carnivore 

710
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:28,500
space. 
And I feel like, it's 

711
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:30,000
interesting. 
I mean, protein is obviously 

712
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,600
very important but I feel like 
the pendulum has swung Um, so 

713
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,000
far the opposite direction. 
You know, few years ago, was 

714
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,100
everybody was fearful of too 
much protein. 

715
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:41,500
Now, everyone's giving protein a
Halo to the extent of not 

716
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,200
consuming. 
Ample dietary fat? 

717
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,800
Have you noticed that Trend as 
well? 

718
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:52,100
Yeah, I think there are people 
who have personality types 

719
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:58,000
whereby, they feel some, I'm 
going to call it pathological 

720
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,000
need. 
To be special in some way to be 

721
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,900
part of a sect in some way that 
is better in their mind. 

722
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,600
And what everyone else is doing 
it's a sort of form of 

723
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,700
self-aggrandizement, I guess. 
And they're the kind of people 

724
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:20,600
that will gravitate towards 
pretty much any idea. 

725
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,100
Good bad or indifferent. 
So long as it's in the minority 

726
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:30,600
and clearly different from what 
everyone else is saying, And 

727
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,000
they will gravitate to that and 
they will defend that hill to 

728
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,800
the death often without 
necessarily understanding 

729
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,100
anything about it. 
Or listening to the high priest 

730
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:45,500
of whatever that sectors saying 
and mindlessly, regurgitating, 

731
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:48,600
those words again, usually 
without actually understanding 

732
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,300
them at all. 
There is an ideal. 

733
00:46:54,900 --> 00:47:00,400
Ratio for your Macros for your 
fat and your protein that most 

734
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,500
human beings will set a tour 
around about, as I was talking 

735
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,100
about earlier, there are slight 
genetic differences between 

736
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:09,200
individuals but they're not 
huge. 

737
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,000
I usually find that it's your 
five percent. 

738
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Either way, I usually, if 
someone comes to me for 

739
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,700
consolidation and they don't 
know how to sit there macros up,

740
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:23,700
I will start that person, 
generally, at a 75/25 ratio. 

741
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,900
Who else being equal? 
That means, 75% of the so-called

742
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:34,100
calories are in the form of 
fats, and 25 is protein. 

743
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,500
Now, we know that that's not an 
accurate. 

744
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:46,000
Determination of actual energy 
being taken and used in any way 

745
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,700
shape or form the whole calories
in calories out idea has been 

746
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:56,500
debunked thoroughly by myself, 
as well as others to the point 

747
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:58,900
where, you know, anyone that 
still doesn't grasp that 

748
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:03,300
obviously hasn't watched those 
videos carefully and they need 

749
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:08,100
to frankly. 
So when I'm talking 75/25 that 

750
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,200
By so-called calories so called 
on the label. 

751
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:19,000
So in the way that we will sit 
someone's total and takes up 

752
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:23,400
again, all things being equal, 
as you would say, okay, one 

753
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:29,600
point 75 grams of protein 
intake, Per kg of Ideal or lean 

754
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:35,200
body mass is the starting point 
for a person who is active. 

755
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:41,100
But not An athlete sort of 
thing. and you would adjust Up 

756
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:45,900
and Down based on the hunger 
satiety, signaling that that 

757
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:49,800
person will get over the first 
few weeks and until we Garland 

758
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,900
this sweet spot and obviously 
the rest of the diet is made up 

759
00:48:54,100 --> 00:49:03,600
with fats which are sort of 
Approximated to being 3/4. 

760
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,800
Of the total so-called caloric 
intake over and above that 

761
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,000
protein. 
So I sit someone's protein. 

762
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,900
Level up first. 
And that was one point seven, 

763
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,100
five grams per pound per 
kilogram. 

764
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,600
You said the kilogram of lean or
ideal Mass gotcha. 

765
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,300
So if you've got someone, who is
carrying a lot of extra weight 

766
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:27,400
or is very underway, what you 
would do is you would reverse 

767
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,500
engineer from the BMI 
calculation, And say what would 

768
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:40,400
this person way if there? 
BMI was. 22.5, which would be 

769
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,300
the ideal number right in the 
middle of the healthy range. 

770
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,200
And then you would use that 
weight as their calculator, ball

771
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,400
lean or ideal body mass 
obviously. 

772
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,200
A hypertrophy athlete. 
A bodybuilder is going to have a

773
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,100
BMI, which is vastly above that,
if they are at all successful in

774
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,000
their body building Endeavors, 
right? 

775
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:08,900
That person you would use their 
actual mass because those guys, 

776
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,000
and those girls, don't usually 
tend to carry a lot of body fat.

777
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,100
So you can just take their 
weight as their lean weight and 

778
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:18,500
that's what would use to 
subserve. 

779
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:21,400
The protein intake. 
That's solid. 

780
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,000
Most there when it comes to 
metabolism and calories, we kind

781
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,200
of touched on that a little bit.
There's been a lot of people in 

782
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,100
the nutrition space. 
You probably know who I might be

783
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,800
referring to that point to, you 
know, if people are not losing 

784
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,900
weight, then by definition, 
they're simply not in a deficit 

785
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,200
and I understand where they're 
coming from there, but I've 

786
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,100
definitely noticed. 
A lot of people who have 

787
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:50,200
chronically under nourish 
themselves for an extended 

788
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,900
period. 
The time the metabolism down 

789
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,800
regulates and they have a hard 
time, preserving any degree of 

790
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,000
lean tissue and, you know, 
hormone function down regulates 

791
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,300
everything just seems to, you 
know, become depressed. 

792
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:06,500
How does one go about? 
You know, improving that 

793
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,500
situation? 
Like if someone is trying to 

794
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:11,600
lose body fat but they have 
chronically under eaten? 

795
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,300
Are they not losing body fat or 
how is that situation in your 

796
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:19,600
mind if you're looking at it 
from a non calories in, calories

797
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,600
out, you know? 
Mechanical system. 

798
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:26,900
Yeah, on a case-by-case basis. 
I may or may not with any given 

799
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:33,300
client used the following. 
There is a procedure which has 

800
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:36,600
been put together not by myself 
by others. 

801
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:38,500
I've checked it out. 
I've done it myself. 

802
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,200
It worked. 
It worked incredibly well, in 

803
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,200
fact and it's called priming. 
It was put together by a bloke. 

804
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:53,200
I know called Raymond neighs on 
Coach Raymond who Who is part of

805
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,100
the steak and butter gang, which
is run by Bella the steak and 

806
00:51:56,100 --> 00:52:00,600
butter girl and they have a 
coaching program that they're 

807
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,000
running through with people. 
And one of the tools in their 

808
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,700
share of tools is this thing 
called priming and priming works

809
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:10,100
really. 
Well for someone who is in a 

810
00:52:10,107 --> 00:52:13,200
situation where everything was 
sluggish, everything's messed up

811
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,400
hormone Ali. 
They can't seem to shed excess 

812
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,300
weight or indeed gain weight of 
the vastly. 

813
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,700
The weight, whatever. 
And this whole thing is designed

814
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:29,800
around, resetting, their 
hormonal levels, their endocrine

815
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,200
system, their ability to 
function as a human being. 

816
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,800
Again usually these people have 
gone through yo-yo, dieting in 

817
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,600
the so-called caloric 
restriction diet for years and 

818
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,900
at that mess themselves up that 
way and they need to be put, 

819
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:45,300
right? 
So here's what priming is. 

820
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:52,800
Three solid meals a day. 
Of. 

821
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:58,400
The so-called of of an amount 
sort of around about the 

822
00:52:58,408 --> 00:53:01,100
so-called caloric intake that a 
person would intake. 

823
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,800
Across an entire day. 
Hmm. 

824
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:08,100
So there's you know, three 
times, your caloric intake, your

825
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:11,000
normal, caloric intake, all the 
normal, what the normal caloric 

826
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,800
intake should be Plus snacks in 
between those three meals and 

827
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,300
every single meal, the idea is 
to fill yourself to the point of

828
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:25,700
rifting to absolutely pokin 
every last ounce of food that 

829
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:31,200
you can possibly get in 
consistent with food being the 

830
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,400
muscle Meats. 
And Associated fats of large 

831
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:40,000
ruminant animals. 
No plant material whatsoever or 

832
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,600
anything. 
Derived from a plant or any of 

833
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,400
that kind of nonsense. 
So basically you eat until you 

834
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,700
feel like I'm literally going to
burst here and the weight your 

835
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,600
four hours or so in you repeat 
that process and you do that for

836
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,100
two weeks silent. 
Your total caloric intake. 

837
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:03,700
If you were counting calories, 
would be quite enormous over 

838
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:10,200
those two weeks in my case. 
My usual normal so-called 

839
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,600
caloric intake. 
If I was counting, those things 

840
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:16,600
would be in the 1800 to 2000. 
K, calories range. 

841
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,100
I personally on my priming 
journey, I was consuming six and

842
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:29,100
a half thousand calories. 
Give or take about 250 every 

843
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:33,700
single day for 14 days. 
Solid, as a lot of food. 

844
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,000
It's a lot of food and a lot of 
people think her are.this is 

845
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000
fantastic. 
I can eat all I want and then 

846
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,400
some what you'll understand 
within about the first seven 

847
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,300
days is this is not fun. 
This is not great. 

848
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,200
This is torturous. 
It's really unpleasant. 

849
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:51,000
It's really hard to do. 
It's nasty. 

850
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,700
It's I can't describe how awful 
it is to do to force food into 

851
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:02,000
your body in that way. 
What it does though, is it gives

852
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,400
your body the signal that plenty
is here. 

853
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,600
We are in a time of Plenty, I 
can absorb all the nutrients 

854
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:17,800
are, my body's been lacking, I 
can reignite those, those fires.

855
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,400
If you like that, have been 
basically quashed down over the 

856
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,400
years. 
Is I can replace my body stores,

857
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,800
all these nutrients by hormonal 
system can return to normal, 

858
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,800
everything's great. 
And that's generally what 

859
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,700
happens. 
And then after that two weeks of

860
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,600
priming, you go on to a more 
sensible program of one meal a 

861
00:55:36,607 --> 00:55:42,100
day at the required intake level
to maintain, where you're going 

862
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,200
to be some times. 
When you prime, you might put 

863
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,400
on, 1015 pounds sometimes a 
little bit more than that during

864
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,800
that two weeks sometimes during 
priming, you stay absolutely 

865
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,500
stable. 
In fact, despite consuming three

866
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:02,300
and four times the calories, you
normally would sometimes as 

867
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:07,300
happened with myself, you 
actually lose weight while 

868
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:10,300
consuming vastly more calories 
than you normally would. 

869
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,500
How does that work? 
It's about the hormonal system. 

870
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,300
It's about the endocrine system.
It's about the inflamed has own.

871
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,800
It's about water retention as 
well or not. 

872
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,000
It absolutely clearly shows that
your body composition at her go,

873
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:34,900
you'll wait on a weighing scale.
Is vastly hugely affected? 

874
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,600
Not just by the amount of 
so-called energy units that 

875
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,300
you're consuming. and so called 
extending, but also due to your 

876
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,800
metabolic set up, the gearing 
that your body is undertaking 

877
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:52,500
the retention or elimination of 
the excess water, for example, 

878
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:59,100
or excess fat, for example, 
hormones, the endocrine system, 

879
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:03,100
the in phlegm has owned all Have
huge impact on that. 

880
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,300
All things that these calories 
in calories out. 

881
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:09,500
Buffoons either don't understand
or choose to ignore as having an

882
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,200
effect. 
Yeah. 

883
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,900
It's so it's kind of like a 
reverse diet but done in an 

884
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:17,300
incredibly condensed window of 
nearly two weeks. 

885
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,600
Yes. 
Yeah, I think that is hugely 

886
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,400
beneficial. 
Like, whenever I'm doing a prep,

887
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,600
the prep itself will last 
anywhere from four to six 

888
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,500
months, but so many people do 
that prep. 

889
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,300
They do that cut and they don't 
ever transition to a period of 

890
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,000
Of surplus. 
And that's what really screws 

891
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,300
them over. 
Yeah. 

892
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,900
Yeah. 
So I mean, the exact mechanism 

893
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,500
I've been challenged on this, a 
number of times by calories in 

894
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:41,500
calories out bathrooms. 
That believe that what I'm 

895
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,900
saying is physiologic 
physiologically end against the 

896
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:48,800
laws of physics of The 
Impossible on lying about what 

897
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,000
I've related in terms of my 
weight loss. 

898
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:58,500
So far as the accuracy of a 
home-based electrical impedance 

899
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:00,900
scale as capable. 
They're not that accurate but 

900
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:02,600
they're pretty, you know they're
reasonable. 

901
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:06,500
That's the piece of Kit. 
I used to gauge my body 

902
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:09,700
composition as well as weight 
during that two weeks and what 

903
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:15,900
happened and I can tell you that
in 14 days of consuming on 

904
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:20,300
average six and a half thousand 
calories a day, I personally 

905
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:26,300
lost 15 pounds That £15 
consisted of 12 and a half 

906
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:32,400
pounds of water. 
And the rest was fat, my 

907
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,200
muscularity protein levels, all 
of that remained, absolutely 

908
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,100
rock solid as it were, of 
course, because I wasn't 

909
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,400
exercising, training or doing 
anything at all. 

910
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,900
I was just existing. 
So a lot of people would say, 

911
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:48,600
well, eliminate the 12 and a 
half pounds of water, and just 

912
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,600
tell people you lost, you know, 
the amount of fat, I say, well, 

913
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,500
okay, great. 
Let's do that using your 

914
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,300
calories and calories out 
mentality and the fact that the 

915
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:02,500
vast majority of those six and a
half thousand calories, where in

916
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:07,600
the form of fat, how did I lose 
Yeah, two and a half pounds of 

917
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,700
fat in 14 days. 
Doing that. 

918
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:11,100
How does that work? 
Still? 

919
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:16,700
Yeah, it does not cannot work. 
According to calories in 

920
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:19,200
calories out Kenneth yeah. 
That puts them in quite the 

921
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,000
stupor, for sure. 
Yeah. 

922
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,500
That stops them dead because I 
don't have an answer for that 

923
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:24,900
and I'll tell you what the 
answer is. 

924
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:30,700
The answer is my inflammation. 
My chronic systemic inflammation

925
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:34,700
was ameliorated to such a level 
that my body stopped hanging 

926
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:37,900
onto all that water, and all 
that inflammatory process and 

927
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:43,800
flushed, all that water out. 
Where did the fat loss come 

928
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,700
from? 
It came from oxidizing fat and 

929
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:52,500
my brown adipose tissue to 
produce. 

930
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:59,200
Metabolic water to keep my 
Baseline homeostatic, minimum 

931
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:03,500
water level where it needed to 
be because I also wasn't 

932
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:06,200
consuming vast amounts of fluid 
or anything like that. 

933
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,300
While I was doing these, this 
six and a half thousand calorie 

934
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:12,700
intake. 
So what we had is basically non 

935
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:20,000
metabolic Oxidization of fat in 
the brain, adipose tissue 

936
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,300
because that's not coupled to 
ATP production. 

937
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:30,000
As such again. 
That I'm couples to calories in 

938
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,100
calories out thing, as yet 
another mechanism by which there

939
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:35,900
can be uncoupled. 
You can also achieve the same 

940
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:39,800
thing using thermogenesis as an 
approach to burning fat. 

941
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,100
Coldwater immersion doesn't same
thing Brown, adipose tissue. 

942
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:49,300
Uncoupled respiration that 
oxidized and that case for heat,

943
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:53,400
rather than for water, and then 
the excess water produced dust 

944
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,500
Lee is excreted of the kidneys. 
Yeah, because that's what 

945
01:00:57,500 --> 01:00:59,600
happened. 
The calories in calories out 

946
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,100
debate. 
It's interesting. 

947
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:03,800
It's interesting that rages as 
hot as it does. 

948
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,900
I mean, I think there is 
certainly a place for, you know,

949
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:10,300
tracking macronutrients being 
mindful of your quote unquote, 

950
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:12,100
caloric intake. 
And expenditure. 

951
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:16,000
But recognizing that it's 
impossible to quantify that with

952
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:18,400
any degree of extreme accuracy, 
especially when it comes to the 

953
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,100
expenditure part. 
Like any of these wearable, you 

954
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,000
got people in 50%. 
Yeah, it's horrendous. 

955
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,400
You know, like I'm all about 
tracking my intake. 

956
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,500
When I have a specific goal of 
reaching, you know, 4% body fat 

957
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,700
for a show but that's not 
something that people should 

958
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:36,000
have to rely on. 
I think, if people just simply 

959
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,200
return to a species appropriate,
that that would likely solve 90%

960
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,800
of their issues, Great. 
Yeah, the most accurate gauge of

961
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,100
how much food you should eat. 
Once you've been fully carnivore

962
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:52,400
for six months or more and 
everything. 

963
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,500
Settle down the, most accurate 
gauge is your hunger signaling 

964
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,800
and your satiety signaling. 
Mmm. 

965
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:05,700
Total darkness when you feel 
hungry and these second, you get

966
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,100
that message or I feel quite 
full. 

967
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:12,600
Now, stop eating, even if there 
are two mouthfuls of meat left 

968
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,100
on your plate, if you've got 
that signal, if your brain says 

969
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:19,500
that's enough. 
Now, stop Put that in the 

970
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:20,100
fridge. 
Eat it. 

971
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,900
Next time, hungry. 
If you trust your body, if you 

972
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:29,000
because your your hunger and 
satiety signaling is hugely 

973
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,700
accurate, your body knows what 
it needs and it knows when it's 

974
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:34,900
got it, it's accurate when 
you're eating real food. 

975
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,500
When it's exactly that. 
That's why I say, you need to 

976
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,700
have been fully Carnival for six
months to let everything settle 

977
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,400
and let your body relearn, 
Andre, trust itself. 

978
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:45,000
Totally. 
Because one thing that will 

979
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,900
throw all the signaling out as 
carbohydrates and plant toxins. 

980
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,800
What about Dairy with with, if 
we're looking at things from a 

981
01:02:52,808 --> 01:02:56,000
species appropriate diet. 
You know, we're weaned as a 

982
01:02:56,008 --> 01:03:00,000
mammalian species, pretty early 
on, is that something that we 

983
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,200
should incorporate later in 
life, or no? 

984
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,000
Dairy. 
For me is one of those divisive 

985
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,800
an emotive issues. 
There are a lot of people that 

986
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,200
swear by Dairy and especially 
there is a sect of people that 

987
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,200
say, oh, it's got to be real 
though, ruled areas to go and 

988
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,100
all of this kind of stuff you. 
Hit the nail on the head 

989
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:22,800
already. 
Once we are weaned from mother's

990
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,700
milk as a mammal. 
We are not designed by natural 

991
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:34,000
selection to either seek out nor
to consume any amount of milk 

992
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,700
and certainly not the milk of 
another species. 

993
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:40,900
Yeah. 
That said, am I against milk? 

994
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,200
No. 
Because it's an individual 

995
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,800
choice in the same way that I'm 
not going to tell anybody what 

996
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,200
they can and can't do. 
I'm not going to ask for anybody

997
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:53,300
to return their Carnival card or
say, you know, except for that 

998
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:56,800
one psychiatrist, Blake. 
I like to throw this Limelight 

999
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:03,000
because it's funny. 
You did it wrong, you know. if 

1000
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,400
somebody feels that Dairy is, 
Useful to them. 

1001
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,900
If they feel they do better with
Gary in their life, then without

1002
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,500
if there is no obvious negative 
reaction to the dairy, then it's

1003
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:19,300
one of those things. 
It's not broken probably doesn't

1004
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:23,100
need fixing and that individual,
what I say to a person that will

1005
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,000
boy you need some dairy in your 
life will know. 

1006
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,300
That that's not part of our 
heritage. 

1007
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,300
Yeah, except post agrarian 
Revolution, when we, when we 

1008
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:37,400
started to keep animals, We 
started to have fields of wheat.

1009
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:43,100
For example, thus, we needed 
oxygen to pull the plows, Etc. 

1010
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,800
And do the heavy lifting Etc. 
Then we figured out. 

1011
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Oh, I wonder if we can do well 
by consuming the milk of these 

1012
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:54,600
animals. 
Yeah, you're not a lot of other 

1013
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,800
for that. 
What about want to be respectful

1014
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,700
of your time already in our end?
But I got one more controversial

1015
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:02,800
topic within the keto carnivore 
space. 

1016
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,800
I'm sure you've got an opinion 
on. 

1017
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,500
And that is the topic of organ 
meats and this is quite the rage

1018
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,600
right now, you know, from an 
evolutionary standpoint. 

1019
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,900
I'm sure we consumed all that we
could from these large ruminant 

1020
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:20,000
animals that we had killed, but 
a lot of people on the 

1021
01:05:20,008 --> 01:05:21,700
understanding that organ meats 
are going to be there. 

1022
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:25,600
Saving Grace, which is also 
little bit too far swing that 

1023
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,400
pendulum One Direction there. 
Yeah. 

1024
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,200
Again, it's a sectarian group of
folks. 

1025
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,000
It's quite a large group within 
the carnival Community, who 

1026
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,600
absolutely Square. 
By organs and say you must have 

1027
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,600
organs you going to be deficient
if you don't consume organs. 

1028
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,800
That's another idea that is 
demonstrably false? 

1029
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:50,700
Yeah, I am now the best part of 
eight years into my Carnival 

1030
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:55,400
Journey. 
I have not consumed. 

1031
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,200
Basically any organs at all 
during that time? 

1032
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,300
And I am exhibiting, no 
deficiencies of any kind. 

1033
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:08,300
There is no clinical 
symptomatology. 

1034
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:11,000
You could point to and say you 
are deficient in such-and-such 

1035
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,300
with me. 
You're not avoiding them Percy. 

1036
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,900
Just don't prefer them. 
Well, I am IA. 

1037
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:21,100
Gangster, organs. 
No, am I drawn to eating organs 

1038
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:26,300
know? 
My instinct is not to eat those.

1039
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,100
They are. 
They do not appeal to me and I 

1040
01:06:28,107 --> 01:06:31,900
trust my instincts. 
Yeah, and that Not others have 

1041
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,700
an instinct where I go, you 
know, I feel like I want to eat 

1042
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:37,500
almonds a great and, you know, 
get your face in their sort of 

1043
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,100
thing final power to you. 
If that's the way you think. 

1044
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:47,800
In terms of how humans have fed 
themselves, there is an argument

1045
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,800
to suggest that we actually 
didn't consume a lot of organs, 

1046
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:55,700
at least for a large part of 
that period of time because it 

1047
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,700
actually looks like mostly 
humans weren't so much fun 

1048
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:01,600
together. 
As In the first instance until 

1049
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,000
we got good at hunting, well 
actually scavengers. 

1050
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:11,200
What we would often do is groups
of human beings is Drive, 

1051
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:16,700
predatory animals, like lions 
off their kill scare them away. 

1052
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:23,900
Using Fire Sticks, Stones, Etc, 
and overwhelming numbers and 

1053
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:28,300
take possession of those 
carcasses and eat what was left.

1054
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,600
Now, when a lion takes down an 
antelope, the first thing it 

1055
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,000
will do is rip that antelope 
open an EV entrails. 

1056
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,300
By the time, humans arrived to 
drive them off. 

1057
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,600
Once the lines of head, the 
entrails, they'll go. 

1058
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:45,500
Is it worth dying over this 
muscle meat knocks? 

1059
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,200
It's not so good for us as 
lions. 

1060
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,100
Yeah, so they'll walk away, the 
real fine, have it and even if 

1061
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:56,000
we had the entire kill, the 
organ makes make up a very small

1062
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,500
percentage of that entire 
episode in terms of problematics

1063
01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:02,300
or potential problematics for my
way of thinking. 

1064
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:05,100
There's really only one organ 
that is really potentially 

1065
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:07,600
problematic in the human diet. 
And that's liver. 

1066
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,700
It is my steadfast opinion that 
liver should be absolutely 

1067
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,800
minimized in the human diet. 
If you're going to consume any 

1068
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:22,100
at all and there are simple 
mechanistic speculations around 

1069
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:26,000
the hell, it might be that liver
could cause you more more damage

1070
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,399
than good if you consume more 
than what would be a naturally 

1071
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:33,300
existing ratio. 
So think of it this way. 

1072
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,100
A casual Beast. 
Would have. 

1073
01:08:39,899 --> 01:08:42,800
Sometimes 600 kilos of muscle 
meat on it. 

1074
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,200
How much does a kettle beasts 
live away? 

1075
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,800
Got a couple pounds. 
I don't know, three or four 

1076
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,700
pounds so that's the ratio and 
within your diet in which liver 

1077
01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:59,700
should be, if it's going to be 
the at all, it doesn't have to 

1078
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:01,500
be. 
There is no requirement for 

1079
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:03,899
liver are all. 
But if you're determined that 

1080
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:07,200
you're going to eat some lover 
for some reason either, you like

1081
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,000
it, or you think, for some 
reason that it will be some kind

1082
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,700
of insurance against some kind 
of deficiency which doesn't 

1083
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:15,100
exist. 
Anyway, but that's for another 

1084
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,300
day. 
Then what I would suggest to you

1085
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:19,800
is keep your liver and take 
proportionate. 

1086
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,899
To the rest of your muscle meat 
intake at about that level that 

1087
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:26,700
makes sense. 
And for those that are consuming

1088
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:31,200
way in surplus of that, they run
the risk of with a vitamin A 

1089
01:09:31,207 --> 01:09:34,300
toxicity, probably being born 
the mix, that's one potential 

1090
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,800
but I think that's probably the 
least likely problem. 

1091
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:42,100
The more likely problem is a 
problem associated with copper 

1092
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:47,100
and zinc. 
Mismatched misspelt lunch, which

1093
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:51,100
then has a bunch of knock-on 
effects which Actually quickly, 

1094
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:54,800
destroy your health and all 
sorts of ways and lead you to a 

1095
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,200
situation where you are unable 
to maintain electrolyte balance 

1096
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:03,100
has of all sorts. 
And it will also tend to lead 

1097
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:06,900
you towards a propensity to have
too much iron in your diet as 

1098
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:14,500
well and your body I should say.
copper is highly highly toxic in

1099
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:20,600
an amount above the requirement,
which is minuscule and human and

1100
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,900
That's to be avoided in my mind 
for that reason. 

1101
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:27,000
Never mind the vitamin A Thing. 
Yeah. 

1102
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:28,600
Yeah. 
Plus. 

1103
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,200
I mean, shoot a ribeye tastes 
better than deliver any day of 

1104
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,400
the week, anyway, God. 
And again, that's just my 

1105
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:40,500
personal Instinct, my personal, 
you know, visceral, excuse the 

1106
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:43,800
pun, visceral reaction. 
You put a plate of liver in 

1107
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,500
front of me and I'm going to 
say, no, thank you. 

1108
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:48,300
Yeah, but a plate of steak in 
front of me, and I'm going to 

1109
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,400
Young that down. 
No total, totally agree with you

1110
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,600
there. 
Totally agree with you. 

1111
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,100
We'll shoot man. 
We're already past an hour in 

1112
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,900
and I'd love to keep chatting 
because you, you're just a 

1113
01:10:56,907 --> 01:10:59,000
wealth of knowledge but I'm 
going to end with one final 

1114
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,200
question. 
Which is simply what's got you 

1115
01:11:01,208 --> 01:11:03,100
excited? 
Now, as far as the nutritional 

1116
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,300
aspect of things is concerned, I
mean, we we can, I know you're 

1117
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,900
excited about continuing to make
music play the guitar, which is 

1118
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:10,500
awesome. 
But as far as the nutritional 

1119
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,800
realm, what is the what's on? 
What's on your mind, right now, 

1120
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:16,100
right? 
Okay, so, in terms of the 

1121
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:19,200
messaging around the 
species-appropriate 

1122
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,600
species-specific ancestrally 2.4
human beings. 

1123
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,700
My message has been consistent 
for the last five years. 

1124
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,600
There are very few commentators 
out there who have been. 

1125
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:35,500
As consistent as me, whose 
message has not changed and it's

1126
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:37,300
because the facts have not 
changed. 

1127
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:43,000
So I'm excited about continuing 
to spread the word continuing to

1128
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,300
tell the truth continuing with 
that message unchanged because 

1129
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:51,400
it is not going to change. 
I have done the research already

1130
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,700
all of it and I am absolutely 
clear and unequivocal and I 

1131
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,100
agree with myself entirely as to
what that should be. 

1132
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,600
So I'm going to continue to 
spread that message as long as I

1133
01:12:01,608 --> 01:12:04,200
have energy to do it and I'm 
going to continue to call out 

1134
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,700
people who say stupid things on 
the internet and point out where

1135
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:09,100
they're wrong. 
I'm going to continue to have 

1136
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:11,000
fun with these different 
characters, like the field, 

1137
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,900
Marshal, and yellow tip and all 
of that and excetera. 

1138
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:21,100
Also I have had a thing. 
I'm excited about mostly at the 

1139
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:26,300
moment and ongoingly as I've had
a 12 12 and a half year 

1140
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:31,800
association with a supplement 
company that promotes a 

1141
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,600
nutraceutical product line. 
So this is not even particularly

1142
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:38,800
nutritional supplementation 
which is really not necessary. 

1143
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,100
If you're on a species 
appropriate diet, you don't need

1144
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:43,100
to supplement with anything 
nutrition wise. 

1145
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:46,300
It's all there. 
This is a nutraceutical. 

1146
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,600
Which has specific effect 
medicinal effect. 

1147
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:56,800
If you like it's an extract from
a Bluegreen bacteria so I enter 

1148
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,700
back. 
Do that lives in this one Lake 

1149
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,600
in the u.s. happens to be an 
upper Klamath Lake in Oregon 

1150
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,800
where it lives and there's a 
there's a chemical substance 

1151
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,200
that they've found in this thing
that they've extracted cleaned 

1152
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:18,000
up filtered activated into a 
into a working. during product, 

1153
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,100
if you like and they've been 
selling the stuff for about 30 

1154
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:25,100
years now, various companies 
have had sway over the thing and

1155
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:33,900
various different iterations and
stuff the current Company that 

1156
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:40,000
markets, this product has been 
around for about six years. 

1157
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:46,200
I've been a retail customer of 
this stuff for about what I was 

1158
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:52,100
for about 10 years, buying the 
stuff retail and then About 

1159
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:55,700
three or four years ago, I got 
an opportunity to be an 

1160
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:59,100
affiliate marketer of the 
product. 

1161
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:02,000
And I figured well I, you know, 
the stuff makes sense. 

1162
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,500
It does exactly what it says it 
does. 

1163
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:05,500
Here's the peer-reviewed 
literature that says it does 

1164
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:09,200
what it says it does. 
It's changed my life. 

1165
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:16,700
I believe completely and for the
better and here's an opportunity

1166
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:18,400
for me to spread that word 
around. 

1167
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,500
So that's what I'm spending a 
lot of energy doing. 

1168
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,900
These days and people who want 
to find out more about that can 

1169
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:29,000
have a look at a video that I 
posted on my YouTube channel. 

1170
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,800
I think it was on the 30th of 
January of two thousand twenty 

1171
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,200
three and it's an interview with
a naturopath called Linda ha 

1172
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,100
guard. 
Who is the woman who introduced 

1173
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:45,200
me to this particular company 
and product about 12 years ago? 

1174
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,900
And for those who want to know 
what it is, it's a product that 

1175
01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:53,800
encourages your bone marrow, to 
release your adult stem cells 

1176
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:57,500
into your bloodstream. 
And then those adult stem cells 

1177
01:14:57,500 --> 01:15:01,800
will run around your body and 
they will identify tissues and 

1178
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:04,700
cells in need of renewal or 
repair. 

1179
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,200
They will bind to those tissues 
dissolve, the old cells, and 

1180
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,100
replace them with brand new 
ones. 

1181
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:15,600
Incredibly powerful and now 
suggest someone said someone use

1182
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,100
this. 
If they have a particular 

1183
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:19,700
ailment or uses like 
prophylactically, it says I 

1184
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:24,200
would suggest that all adult 
human beings anywhere around the

1185
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,000
world that can possibly access 
this product, it's available in 

1186
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,500
about 60, different countries 
and territories around the 

1187
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:31,900
world. 
Currently I would suggest that 

1188
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:34,400
anyone that can should get their
hands on this product and use it

1189
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,100
on a daily basis. 
Reason, being that every year 

1190
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:43,800
that you are on this crazy Rock 
going around, the Son your 

1191
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,900
ability to release your own 
adult stem cells goes down. 

1192
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:51,200
It drops by the year. 
It's one of the reasons we age 

1193
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,000
and die. 
It's not the only one, but it's 

1194
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,800
an important one. 
What this product does, 

1195
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,200
basically, is it removes that 
blockade to releasing those 

1196
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,800
adult stem cells, it sets the 
clock back to when you're in 

1197
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,200
your Prime and means that your 
ability to have the circulating 

1198
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:16,600
stem cell resources to renew 
repair, replace tissues as more 

1199
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,500
like what it was when you were 
kind of an 18 year old kid, What

1200
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:22,400
did you notice? 
When you started taking it on a 

1201
01:16:22,407 --> 01:16:26,200
consistent basis? 
My particular story is that when

1202
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:33,400
I was 39 years of age, I was 
diagnosed with Advanced wet 

1203
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:37,900
macular degeneration which is a 
condition which invariably leads

1204
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:40,700
a person to lose their sight. 
Hmm. 

1205
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:46,800
Within a five-year period from 
the onset of the disease process

1206
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:52,200
to the point of legal blindness.
You can still see cut color, you

1207
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,300
can still see light but you will
no longer be able to resolve 

1208
01:16:56,300 --> 01:16:58,300
shape. 
You can see movement. 

1209
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:00,700
But legally, you'll be blind, 
you won't be able to read. 

1210
01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:04,000
You won't be able to drive all 
of those things will be a thing 

1211
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,400
of the past. 
Some people lose their sight to 

1212
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,500
the point where they actually 
lose their sight entirely they 

1213
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:15,300
go completely black as well. 
I was told at 39 years of age 

1214
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:19,400
that I had this condition and 
that the eye specialist that was

1215
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,000
looking at my eyes said I've 
never seen a case as advanced as

1216
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,300
this in a man. 
Your age usually happens around 

1217
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:29,800
about 70 years of age, if it's 
going to happen. 

1218
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,200
And he said, love this. 
I'm sorry, but there's no hope 

1219
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,900
there's nothing we can do here. 
And you're just going to have to

1220
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,500
prepare yourself for this 
blindness, basically. 

1221
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,300
And it was around about 
serendipitously was around about

1222
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:51,200
that time that I came across 
this company, this product, and 

1223
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:56,100
I started to take the product 
immediately and within six 

1224
01:17:56,100 --> 01:18:01,600
months, my vision returned to 
normal vision for a man, my age 

1225
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,900
at that time. 
Any analyst response at all? 

1226
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:10,800
No, no not at all. 
It's a really clean product 

1227
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,100
that's been filtered and 
activated and and there are 

1228
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:17,500
probably a handful of people 
that have had any kind of 

1229
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:21,700
adverse reaction to it over 30 
year existence of this thing. 

1230
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:26,100
Certainly no fatalities. 
And these are people that might 

1231
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:30,300
have got a rash or might have 
got loose stool for a week or 

1232
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:32,100
two while their body adjusted to
the stuff. 

1233
01:18:32,900 --> 01:18:36,100
But mostly people notice no 
negative side effects at all, 

1234
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:39,900
and whatever it is that needs. 
Renewing and repairing in their 

1235
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:48,000
body as per the The body decide 
what the stem cells will be used

1236
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,400
for as such. 
We are not allowed to make any 

1237
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,800
therapeutic climb. 
So I am not claiming this 

1238
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,500
product fixed my eyesight. 
I'm saying my eyesight, which I 

1239
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:59,800
was told, could not be repaired.
By any means. 

1240
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,800
Known to Medical Science, 
somehow has been repaired. 

1241
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:07,200
It is associated with my taken 
of this product, but I am not 

1242
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,700
claiming this product caused it.
I'm not allowed to. 

1243
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:12,100
Yeah, you fill in the blanks for
yourself. 

1244
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,200
Yeah. 
So what he was going on for you,

1245
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,000
whatever. 
Your body decides is something 

1246
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,500
that needs fixing. 
If you have an increased level 

1247
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:24,000
of adult stem cells in your 
blood stream to achieve it, it's

1248
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,900
more likely that your body will 
achieve that. 

1249
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,000
And what is your affiliate link 
or what is the best way for 

1250
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,400
people to dive deeper into that 
product. 

1251
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:38,700
It very, very simple, Gobi 
kar-wai nutrition, all one word,

1252
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:44,600
all lowercase, dot, some rule, 
which is CER, you Ellie. 

1253
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:48,700
E.com, there's a lot of 
information there. 

1254
01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:53,100
There's also a bunch of videos 
about all of this on my YouTube 

1255
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:56,600
channel under a playlist called 
adult stem cell related videos 

1256
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,500
or something like that. 
Or you can drop me an email and 

1257
01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:03,400
you'll find my email address on 
the about tab on the front page 

1258
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,600
of my YouTube channel and you 
can drop me an email and ask me 

1259
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,900
your questions about it. 
The final thing I will say about

1260
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:11,500
this product and then I'll shut 
up about it. 

1261
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:17,800
Is that when an adult stem cell 
differentiates into a brand-new 

1262
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:23,200
cell of whatever kind that your 
body requires it to be, I say 

1263
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:27,300
brand-new selling, I really mean
brand-new because that new cell 

1264
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:35,100
has a A full-length telomere. 
Now, telomeres every time a cell

1265
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:38,700
divides the telomeres get 
shorter and shorter to the point

1266
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:42,500
where it gets to a level where 
it gets so short that the DNA 

1267
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:44,900
phrase forced to B and that cell
line dies off. 

1268
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:56,000
So when your skin cells divide 
for example, the age of those 

1269
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,700
skin cells is partly, largely 
determined by the length of the 

1270
01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:01,200
telomeres. 
At the time of that cell 

1271
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:07,500
division, If you could encourage
your skin cells for example to 

1272
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:12,000
release skin cells stem cells, 
and bring those forward, rather 

1273
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,800
than having to Old skin cells, 
you'll have one brand new one 

1274
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,400
which can then divided into two 
brand-new ones Etc. 

1275
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:25,800
In other words, might this be 
some sort of Fountain of Youth. 

1276
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,900
Perhaps again, that's not a 
therapeutic claim, it's just 

1277
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:32,400
another pointer to the power of 
this product. 

1278
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:35,500
Well, it certainly didn't seem 
like it would hurt and if you're

1279
01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:37,400
pairing that with a speech is 
appropriate that you're really 

1280
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,100
setting yourself up for success.
I would have all my thoughts. 

1281
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:42,700
Oh yes. 
Well I will certainly linked 

1282
01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:44,700
accounts to that. 
I'm curious to dive a little bit

1283
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:47,900
deeper, learn more myself and 
your YouTube channel. 

1284
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:49,700
What is it called? 
If people want to search that 

1285
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:51,900
drug guy. 
So I have about five or six 

1286
01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:56,100
YouTube channels that I run the 
main one and I call it the main 

1287
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,200
one purely because it's the one 
with the highest subscriber 

1288
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,800
count. 
The main one is called Bart k 

1289
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,200
nutrition. 
Science. 

1290
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:08,400
And or what you can just do is 
go youtube.com forward. 

1291
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,400
Slash at Bart, hyphen kaay and 
you'll find it all my other 

1292
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,600
channels. 
Some of which are also related 

1293
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,000
to health and nutrition and some
of which are not like one of 

1294
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,600
them is my singing guitar 
channel. 

1295
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,700
One of them's in New Zealand 
nature channel, for example, but

1296
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:25,300
every single one of those 
channels, as you link underneath

1297
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:27,100
all the videos on my main 
channel. 

1298
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:30,800
So you can find it every one of 
my YouTube channels from there. 

1299
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:32,700
Well, I'm definitely have to 
check out. 

1300
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:34,100
You riffing on the guitar for 
sure. 

1301
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:38,900
It's tough. 
Well, the thing is, when I was, 

1302
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:45,600
when I was, when I was young, I 
wanted to be, you know, a guitar

1303
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,700
player so badly, and I 
succeeded, I really am a very 

1304
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:50,700
average guitar player, but check
it out, nonetheless. 

1305
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:52,100
Yeah, no, I'll definitely check 
it out, man. 

1306
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:55,200
I can't thank you enough for 
taking the time above all else. 

1307
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,300
I appreciate you. 
Having a message of consistency.

1308
01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:01,900
I feel like one of the things 
that I'm most proud of is that I

1309
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,500
consider myself to be very 
open-minded. 

1310
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:04,900
I'm want to experiment, try 
things. 

1311
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,500
See how my body responds, but as
a whole, my messaging in the 

1312
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:10,900
space has been pretty much 
consistent for the eight years 

1313
01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:12,200
that I've been putting out 
content. 

1314
01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:15,100
So when I meet other people that
are consistent in their 

1315
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:18,400
messaging, that holds a hell of 
a lot more weight in my book, 

1316
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,400
than all these other flash in 
the pan influencers that are 

1317
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,100
always just moving to the next 
big hype. 

1318
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,000
So, I appreciate that more than 
anything. 

1319
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,800
That's my absolute pleasure, and
it's been my privilege to spend 

1320
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,200
this time with you. 
Thank you so much. 

1321
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,200
Handsome, go. 
Well, thank you. 

1322
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,900
So, take care and talk soon from
right? 

1323
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:35,300
See you later. 
See you later.