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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents Robert Sykes 

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keto Savage.com and today I have
special guests. 

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Chris Elkins of cutting-edge 
physiques on here. 

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Is it gonna be cool because he 
is a WNBA of natural Pro 

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bodybuilder he and I had never 
competed together on stage at 

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the same time but I've seen him 
compete. 

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He see me compete. 
So it's it's just cool. 

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We kind of go way back as far as
competitions are concerned. 

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Without further Ado, how are you
man? 

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Good man. 
Thanks for having me. 

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How are you? 
I'm good, I'm great. 

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I'm great. 
So I think this is cool because 

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I've had a lot of guests on here
that are that are keto. 

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I've had guests on here that our
competitors. 

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I've not had really too many 
natural competitors that are not

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keto, so it'll be a cool 
contrast in just Styles, but it 

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gives people more perspective. 
So it'll be good from that 

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sense, for sure. 
But before we dive into the 

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nutrition man, just kind of 
bring me up to speed on on what 

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What got you into bodybuilding 
the first place, man. 

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I'm always Keen to figure out. 
What's people's motivation for 

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doing the sport? 
Yeah, I've it's hard to say 

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really like I just remember I 
wanted to look better. 

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So I started working out and 
then I found, you know, I went 

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on the internet and I was 
looking at training splits I was

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about 27, so I was already a 
little bit older and I had like 

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lift it casually as a teenager 
in high school just like, you 

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know, basic stuff. 
Like I like a chest press. 

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And I like this Joe Weider all 
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side. 
So, you know, I just did some 

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stuff to stay in shape and I 
felt like I had decent like 

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shape muscles and stuff. 
But I was just I was like small 

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guy growing up and then I joined
the Marines and we did 

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calisthenics and little bit of 
weight. 

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Lifting did some more weight 
lifting when I was in Iraq. 

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But I was just really not 
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I never really trained. 
I don't think I ever put more 

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than three to four months at a 
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And then I'll just do another 
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you know. 
And so, but I remember, I was 

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27. 
I was just kind of bored. 

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I had broke. 
I was doing a lot of indoor rock

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climbing and had broken my hand 
playing catch with the football 

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behind the office. 
One of my employees has like a 

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rocket for an arm and I was 
like, well, this sucks and how 

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to get surgery and I rehabbed 
it, but just indoor rock 

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climbing. 
I loved it, but it was a lot 

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harder after breaking my finger,
I just had A screw in there. 

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And so but I like the way that 
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resistance training that came 
with rock climbing, like I could

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tell I was building muscle. 
So long story short, I went 

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online and I remember going 
finding key nobody then figuring

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out that his like whole 
intermittent fasting thing came 

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from this guy lean gains and 
then I remember he had a link to

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The Hodgetwins and I went to 
YouTube and thought they were 

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funny. 
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from that ogas and this is like 
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him. 
It was 2012 and And it was all 

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just like one linked to the 
other, you know, kind of like 

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the way YouTube Works, how you 
just do this video was 

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recommended. 
And I saw that he had that 2011 

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that versus where Matt versus 
Mayhem, where he competed in the

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muscle man. 
And I was in Fremont and the Bay

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Area and he was in Sacramento 
and that shows in Sacramento and

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I was like, that's not very far 
and and I was like, oh man, this

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guy's young, you know, younger 
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And if he can do it, then why 
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And I saw that he worked with a 
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Naturally. 
I was like, oh, I could do that,

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why not? 
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accepted me as a client and 
like, look, I didn't do 

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anything. 
I didn't know what I was doing 

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but I just, yeah, I just kind of
like fell in love with the whole

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process of competing. 
And I did four shows and 2013. 

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I did like, I was like five 5, 
six month bulk and I gained 25 

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pounds. 
So I started the heaviside ever,

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been not really knowing that if 
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gain, or what. 
So if I'm like 140. 65 over the 

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span of six months. 
And, and I don't really regret 

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it, even though I probably could
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everything and I didn't even 
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until like 2012. 
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know, I said, I have to start 
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just, I just had a great time 
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I did novice classes and I won. 
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then I couldn't do novice 
anymore and then I took second 

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at the Open Class, the Mayhem 
against Matt, and I was like 

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this, it was surreal because I 
just seen this guy on YouTube 

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and that's what like, inspired 
me to compete and then I'm 

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competing with him and one of 
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class and and, you know, 
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wasn't anywhere near where his 
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second, which felt pretty 
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So and then I did one. 
I want to show in my home town 

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in Virginia Beach and I actually
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and you know this small shows 
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amazing. 
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and just kept getting better and
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It's kind of crazy man. 
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rabbit home and like, Matt Oak 
is amazing, like the O G's from 

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the natural bodybuilding, you 
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but it does not get much 
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So not many people even know it 
exists but it's Cool. 

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There's an outlet for people 
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to step on stage and be 
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Because I mean it's once you 
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freaking addicting. 
I agree. 

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I had no idea that natural 
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So I never really would have 
pursued it as like a sport or 

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something that I could like do 
long-term likes I had done some 

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bike riding I did a triathlon. 
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never really felt like I could 
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like that would be like oh cool,
I can finish a race. 

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I get a participation in metal 
basically, right? 

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But with with bodybuilding I 
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compete in that because I didn't
want to ever take. 

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Like I didn't know anything 
about steroids and I didn't want

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to take steroids, but I just 
assumed that in order to do a 

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bodybuilding competition, you 
had to be, you know, 250 pounds 

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and you had to be on steroids. 
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similar to like a Ronnie Coleman
type look or take color or 

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whatever, right? 
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there was a division for people 
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Bogus in in me, not knowing you 
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I thought I kind of looked like 
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I was like, oh yeah, I'm that 
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But even now, I'm still not that
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So it's just funny though. 
But like, at least I found out 

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that there was a division for, 
you know, drug tested athletes, 

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and I thought that was awesome. 
So that was like, it was like a 

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perfect fit for me. 
So now as like what you know, 

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what I like to do is just try to
whenever someone comes to me and

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they want to compete, I always 
ask him like, okay well you know

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I'm assuming that your natural 
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natural show because they almost
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The show in mind, that, like, 
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show like, you know, you're in 
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Do like, I'm looking at the 
emerald classic, whatever. 

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And I'm like, hey man, have you 
thought about doing a natural 

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show? 
Natural. 

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Show us that. 
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natural bodybuilding. 
And these guys aren't even using

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steroids or at least, you know, 
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So I'm thinking like, man, it's 
just really not that well 

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advertised. 
So that's what I really want to 

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bring awareness to the sport 
that even I mean, who don't even

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know it exists. 
What do you think that is? 

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Why do you think there is so So 
so much ignorance around and 

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it's just that the advertising 
budget isn't as big or what do 

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you think? 
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combination, you know, the NPC 
is one company. 

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So it's United and they spend a 
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promoting athletes and promoting
the events and natural 

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organizations are small. 
You lack. 

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The, there's no like major 
Olympia. 

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There's like, you know, wbf 
worlds is pretty big, don't get 

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me wrong, but it's not, it's not
like the Olympia where there's a

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huge Expo around it or the 
Arnold Classic. 

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And then, I think that there is 
a freak factor to Howleen. 

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We get a natural bodybuilding 
and you don't see, especially 

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the heavyweight, guys. 
Look incredible. 

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You don't see an average gym 
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that, but it's not as easy to 
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you have a guy like Kai Greene, 
who is 58 250 pounds or 

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whatever? 
It's like he takes up a ton of 

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space that guy people are gonna 
Two heads are going to turn no 

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matter whether he's on offseason
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it's easier to get attention but
I think it's just as you know 

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especially with social media 
it's such a more marketable look

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like you know classic physique 
is really popular now but Pro 

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natural body. 
Builders literally embody the 

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classic physique I deal in my 
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So it's just a, in my opinion 
it's just a lack of Getting in, 

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and the use of social media, I 
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be just as big if people would 
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Yeah, I agree. 
It's sad. 

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I mean, like, you look at the 
the biggest, you know, natural 

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bodybuilding show, like the 
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compared to what the biggest, 
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show is and it is totally pales 
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It's sad that more money isn't 
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What is a healthier path in the 
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Yeah. 
But do you think prize money? 

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Really matters because I know 
like Like I mean it's cool to 

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win money but I don't compete to
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I compete for their own, my own 
personal. 

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Like what what's the term? 
Like you know just the 

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Fulfillment. 
I guess it's so rewarding in 

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itself that I really like I 
don't care so much about the 

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money. 
Yeah. 

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As a pro Natural Body Butter 
neither neither of us are making

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any money doing that. 
Yeah, I know but it would be 

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nice but the one the one issue 
that does arise when you start 

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increasing the Payouts is that, 
you know, people will look for 

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ways to cheat I think. 
And that's I mean that's sucks 

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but I guess that's just part of 
life you know if if there's a 

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high reward then people are 
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they're going to do an ethical 
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So to try to get ahead, I would 
a lot of people say things like 

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oh, you know, natural body when 
he's not even really natural. 

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But I disagree, I think 99.9% of
competitors are clean. 

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I mean, I'm sure there's a 
couple bad bad egg. 

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Eggs out there but I think you 
know for the most part it's a 

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clean sport. 
Yeah I agree. 

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I think you know, a lot of 
people cuz I mean there's 

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there's no reason for them to 
really take steroids and compete

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and claim to be natural. 
But they have very little to 

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gain from its you know they must
have doing NPC sure word. 

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They could get more publicity or
more, you know, prize money with

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with natural bodybuilding. 
I mean, like you said, we 

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definitely don't do it for the 
prize money. 

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I mean, there's no money to be 
made, but for me, like that. 

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Like you said earlier, I don't 
hold it. 

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I don't look down on people that
do you stare as if that's their 

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way to make a living, you know, 
they do what they got to do, but

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for me it just makes sense to, 
you know, I got into Body by the

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first place to pit him eyes, you
know, Health and Longevity. 

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And I feel like if I was to jump
on the steroid train, I'd be 

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sacrificing all that in the 
first place. 

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Yeah, it would be a little bit 
hypocritical and I agree with 

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you. 
Like I have friends that use 

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steroids and I don't, I don't 
look down upon them. 

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pretending. 
Going to, you know what I mean? 

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trying to compete and a drug 
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like, you know, as long as 
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encouraging younger people to 
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other, you know, the enhance 
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and pretty open about, like, 
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when it comes to that. 
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I mean you know I'm actually 
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pretty excited about it. 
It's going to be the max type 

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Supernatural August 10th 2019. 
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I'm going to use all of my 
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to get as many people involved 
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What does that look like man? 
Cuz I've often thought about, 

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you know, that whole process 
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What does that, what does that 
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Like what is it until I guess, 
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She just Jumped in and decided 
to do one. 

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I mean just randomly no. 
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thought about ever since I won 
my Pro card I've said hey man I 

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would love to love to host one 
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I didn't know that we would do 
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president wvf and just a my 
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with Max hype. 
I you know this is it's our 

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brand and we really support 
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competing wmds because we feel 
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run. 
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top-notch. 
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doesn't have a wbff pro show. 
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amateur show. 
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summer because, you know, the 
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needed in California, but 
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It Chris Barakat lives in Tampa,
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spot and so we decided on 
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figured like, you know, I'm, I'm
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I'm obviously not competing 
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to make gains. 
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one year off, maybe two and I 
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timing. 
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up with an event planner. 
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Christian Guzmán shows the 
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trying to work something out, 
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worked out and have her do the 
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it up. 
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venue. 
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we'd like to have registration 
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will be like if someone were to 
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weeks out. 
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like It's a great time to start 
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a super Pro Qualifier because I 
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to make it huge and get it you 
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also wants to schedule seminar 
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So like similar to the like the 
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whatever the you know the moment
Cliff Wilson. 

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be exciting. 
And stressful, but I'm really 

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excited for it. 
No, that's awesome. 

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did a pretty easy process and a 
managed orchestrate, I mean, I'm

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sure he's gonna be a lot of 
headaches and all the 

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communication is to do, but it's
not as daunting as you would 

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have thought. 
No, I don't. 

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I mean, I don't think it will be
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about bringing on Affiliates and
they, you know, they have a plan

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set up especially for first-time
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Yes. 
And if it's something you're 

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interested in, I think you 
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And, you know, I can give you 
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everything, but I think it's 
awesome and like, I don't think 

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it's going to be an impossible, 
daunting task. 

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Especially if you if you live 
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be like a normal person. 
We may have made things a little

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bit harder by having this having
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us. 
I mean, it's an hour and a half 

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from where Chris lives, And 
cross-country from me, but I 

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don't think that's going to be a
huge issue. 

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As long as like I said, we have 
someone. 

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I mean, I'm not I'm not an event
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So if we have an event planner 
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logistics, and I think 
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place like they have it already 
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trophies and medals. 
They have the drug testing 

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setup, they have a polygraph 
company. 

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and a Host Hotel. 
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include a couple of rooms for 
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The Host Hotel, spray tanning at
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hard stuff and then and then 
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usually the day before then you 
have how you're going to run the

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show if it's going to be like a 
straight through show off, 

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you're going to have an 
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I've already reached out with 
better Aesthetics for the photos

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and video coverage. 
So I'm gonna man, I think it's 

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going to be fun. 
No, that's awesome man. 

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I'm excited for you. 
I'll come down. 

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They even if I'm not I won't be 
competing probably until 2020 

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but she don't come down there 
and support. 

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Yeah, maybe maybe we did some 
guests posing or something. 

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Hey, there you go. 
There you go. 

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There you go. 
You mentioned something while 

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we're talking about taking time 
off Man. 

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Dive into that. 
Cause that's something that, you

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know, we, I think is is pretty 
second nature because you don't 

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have been competing for a while.
We just know that's the best 

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thing to do, you know, to put on
any quality size. 

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But man, it blows my mind so 
many. 

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New competitors. 
They like do a show every six 

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months or every year and 
nothing. 

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Nothing ever changes. 
They look the same each time. 

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So let's dive into some of the 
best practices man. 

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Yeah I really think you need at 
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so that that doesn't mean like I
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whole calendar year off you're 
barely getting that year and 

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because think about it you do a 
show right? 

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Let's say that you the show ends
in little for me this year. 

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Going to be November. 
So, the last show, I don't know.

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Do we even talk about this? 
I'm like three days out from a 

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show in Boston and then a little
over two weeks out from wbf 

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Worlds in LA in November. 
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rolls around, and I'm heading to
the offseason and focus on, 

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improving the areas of my 
physique that I see his weak 

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points. 
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to a normal body fat, just 
getting back to normal might 

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take. 
A couple months, like it's 

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different for everybody. 
I know, you know, everybody 

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calling he took a lot longer 
actually before. 

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He said he felt normal and I 
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same for him back all the way in
2013 to. 

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So he takes a little longer to 
recover. 

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I feel kind of fortunate that I 
can get back to feeling normal 

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within like a month or two, 
which is kind of Lucky. 

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And and I don't really take a 
super slow reverse. 

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I like to just add like the five
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then another five. 
Pounds within a month or so. 

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So now, you know, up about 10 
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there, as you know, without 
without adding a ton of body 

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fat. 
But it's just not it's just not 

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feasible to try to maintain such
a low body fat. 

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So let's say you take a on 
average to take a few months to 

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eat, to feel normal again, 
appetite mood libido, all 

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hunger, all that stuff is like 
getting back to normal. 

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Then now you can start actually 
focusing on gaining lean tissue.

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You and not just body fat, 
right? 

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And if you do that for a year, 
so show ended in November 

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December January, February, a 
year is next February, if you 

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were trying to compete in 2019, 
if you have competed in 2018, 

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you would really have to start 
prepping and get an April. 

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And that's like what. 
So now you had two months off 

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basically, two months of any 
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And then now you've immediately 
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You may not have even added the 
tissue back that you've 

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potentially lost during the 
diet. 

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In the first place. 
And so not only did you not look

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any better but maybe even look 
slightly worse. 

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Oh yeah, man, it's tough. 
I did that one time, just to 

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just to fulfill the requirement 
of competing within one year 

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after winning the pro card. 
And after that, I that was in 

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September 2015. 
I competed again in April 2016, 

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but then II took off all the way
until basically 2018 started 

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another prep. 
So a solid year and a half of 

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being in a Surplus almost the 
entire time, so definitely need 

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to take that time. 
If you really want to see any 

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progress, does the requirement 
for the WNBA. 

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Have to compete with in a 
calendar year. 

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After obtaining, your pro card 
is that I can mean. 

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Can it be like a week after like
if I was to earn my Pro card and

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then do another show like a week
after I'm fulfill that 

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requirement. 
Yeah absolutely. 

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And that's probably what I 
should have done in hindsight 

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then I would have given myself a
nest, like six months but you 

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know, everything happens like 
Everything works out, right? 

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So I you just kind of adjust 
your plan and rolled punches, 

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that second prep was probably 
the hardest prep ever because I 

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was already. 
I felt like calories were kind 

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of low, and I had gained about 
20 pounds and then had to drop 

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that same 20 pounds. 
I felt like my upper body ended 

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up looking better but my legs 
were nowhere near as good as 

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they were, in my opinion, in my 
2015 to 2016, but I've made up 

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for that. 
Now I've, you know, I took my 

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time I I end up getting a ton of
great photo of your legs up. 

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A lot of him. 
Thanks man. 

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Appreciate that. 
Wait, I think I think one of the

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key things is I I learned a lot 
during that second, which is my 

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third ever prep. 
But it was this, the 

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back-to-back one and about how I
never wanted to take a short 

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offseason again, basically. 
And then also, I got a ton of 

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great photos. 
So I grew my social media in my,

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my online coaching and 
everything, grew because of it. 

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No you know a place like fit 
that a six and my first pro show

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I was I was content with how 
everything worked out so I don't

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I'm not like one of those guys 
is like everything happens for a

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reason but I don't regret what I
did like I learned from in and 

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I'm better now for it. 
I guess. 

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No absolutely amazed. 
It's kind of hard because I 

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mean, for your for your body, 
you want to look better each 

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time. 
He competes, you won't take that

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that time off, but the same 
time, you know, you and I both 

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make our living, you know, 
promoting our business building 

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our brand, And the coaching 
whatever else we're doing. 

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So like if you take, you know, 
one, two, three years as an 

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offseason that's a long time or 
you're not having any, you know,

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really eye-catching pictures. 
Because I mean, like, right now 

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I'm full blown off season. 
Like I don't look like I would 

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like, I know, I can look, I 
don't look as good as a, as I 

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have it in my mind to look 
feminine. 

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And I've got a Fluff on me, you 
know, and it's harder than 

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Market to people that because 
they don't even understand that 

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process. 
Yes. 

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So, mentally hard and I and 
that's one reason why. 

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So with me during the 
off-season, I do feel like I'm a

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lot more creative. 
So I have a lot of like that's 

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when I can make really cool 
comparison photos when I'm when 

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I'm in the moment like right now
during a prep, I just don't feel

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quite as creative and and just 
all the photos are new and 

445
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:12,500
eye-catching as they are. 
So I mean you just have to find 

446
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,400
a way to come up with content 
that is going to help people and

447
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,400
also gonna, you know, catch 
people's attention during the 

448
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,700
offseason as well. 
And I think I did a pretty good 

449
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:27,600
job of that in 2017 and looking 
forward to doing that again, 

450
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,400
next year in 2019, but the main 
thing is people just want to 

451
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,500
follow a story, you know? 
So even if you're, if you're not

452
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,500
sure what it, at least, if you 
can continue to show the updates

453
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:41,400
and show what you're improving 
on or like hitting PR's or 

454
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,500
whatever it is and the gym, and 
then for me with my coaching, I 

455
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:48,300
want to start showing a lot more
client progress as well, so that

456
00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:51,500
it's not just me. 
It's, you know, it's a Whole 

457
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:54,800
team, which, you know, anyone 
that I'm coaching is part of my 

458
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,100
team. 
So, social media is crazy man. 

459
00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:01,000
It makes you re-evaluate things 
and do things differently that 

460
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,700
maybe you wouldn't have done 
otherwise like as far as you 

461
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:06,900
know it might be. 
I'm not exactly sure how I'm 

462
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:12,100
going to approach this offseason
because I also want to start 

463
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,800
doing a lot more cycling. 
So I want to do some bike racing

464
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,000
next year. 
I did one race, it was like the 

465
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,600
day after my birthday so it was 
about August 25th. 

466
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,500
I think it was was the race and 
it was, it was difficult. 

467
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:30,900
I just need more time to train, 
but at the same time, like it's 

468
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,900
all power to weight ratio so you
don't want to be too heavy. 

469
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:38,400
So now should I stay leaner? 
You know, I'd it's hard to say 

470
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400
like I really don't know what I 
want to do and how I want to 

471
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,400
approach that made like a long 
Facebook post about it the other

472
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,900
day, but it's a tough call 
because I don't mind putting 

473
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,200
bodybuilding and like actually 
gaining Muscle on the back 

474
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,300
burner but I also don't want to 
lose my son so down. 

475
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:57,800
It'll be interesting. 
What do you think? 

476
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,500
That's a tough question because 
like there's like I asked myself

477
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,400
that same question often because
there's so many things that I 

478
00:25:04,408 --> 00:25:08,300
would want to do but they're not
really conducive to being the 

479
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:12,400
best bodybuilder that I can be. 
And you know for me like I want 

480
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600
to have a very like I've got a 
lot of diverse interest but I 

481
00:25:15,608 --> 00:25:17,300
love bodybuilding. 
So that's kind of like my home 

482
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:19,300
base, my Foundation. 
I was going to go back to that 

483
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,300
and I do want to be the best 
bodybuilder I can be But not at 

484
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,900
the detriment of you know, 
experiencing some of the things 

485
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:28,300
that the other day I ran a 
marathon which is not conducive 

486
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,100
to bodybuilding at all but I 
just wanted to do it. 

487
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,500
I never trained for a marathon 
and I just I just went and did 

488
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,800
it you know. 
But but I like having those 

489
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,000
experiences. 
Yeah it was actually 27 miles 

490
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,900
because it was like a little bit
longer but yet 27 miles I had, I

491
00:25:42,908 --> 00:25:46,200
didn't zero training. 
I literally ran twice prior to 

492
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:50,200
doing the marathon and I did it.
Go off season body butter self 

493
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,600
bouncing around out there. 
What do you weigh right now? 

494
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,500
Like 200 know, I'm like 187. 190
somewhere in there. 

495
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,200
Okay. 
Well, not far off from 200 

496
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,900
million. 
That's a lot of weight, man. 

497
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,200
I didn't know them. 
It was my feet are killing me. 

498
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:09,100
I can only add, well, I had to, 
so I wanted to prove them all 

499
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,200
wrong. 
So really, you didn't train, you

500
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,000
didn't do any distance running 
before that. 

501
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,300
No 0. 
I literally, I bought a pair of 

502
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:18,000
shoes because I didn't have any 
running shoes. 

503
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,900
So I bought a pair of running 
shoes and I ran twice. 

504
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,100
You know, one week and then I 
ran once one week Rapture, I got

505
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:26,900
the shoes. 
I did they, I got the shoes and 

506
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,100
then I ran one more time the 
next week and in the next week 

507
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,800
was the marathon. 
So I ran twice. 

508
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,900
I mean, I've run three times 
two. 

509
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,500
So, a year man, in the marathon 
was one of those three you're 

510
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:39,800
saying you really are a Savage. 
Yeah man. 

511
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,200
Well so many people were saying 
that I had to have carbs to run 

512
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,900
a marathon because it's 
endurance and I'm like no I feel

513
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,000
like I could do it pretty good. 
And honestly I never had any any

514
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,700
issues with energy whatsoever. 
Like I felt fuel the whole way 

515
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:53,700
through My feet man. 
My feet were killing me though 

516
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,200
because they weren't conditioned
for that kind of, you know, 

517
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,400
continuous just beating. 
And I mean, I literally could 

518
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800
not walk for like three days 
straight and it was rough. 

519
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,900
Yeah, I can imagine, I mean, 
people often are blown away by 

520
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,900
some of the things that I do 
like. 

521
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,400
So last Monday, I wrote a eighty
six and a half miles on my bike,

522
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,200
but I didn't just wake up one 
day and do that. 

523
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:21,100
I've been writing 100 to 150 
miles almost every week. 

524
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Prior to that. 
So that, that was just like, 

525
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,900
maybe 30, something miles longer
than my normal ride, which is 

526
00:27:26,908 --> 00:27:32,000
between 50 and 55 miles. 
So, yeah, while it was harder on

527
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,600
contest prep and the close to 
that. 

528
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,200
I get to my full, you know, 
potential shredded and it's of 

529
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,800
6% body fat or whatever it might
be, right? 

530
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,400
Like it's more difficult for 
sure. 

531
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,800
But holy shit, man. 
I'm just blown away that you ran

532
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,100
a marathon without training. 
The biking is hard to me. 

533
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,500
I've never done much biking but 
I'm actually listen to it. 

534
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Podcast right now and they're 
talking about the ram race. 

535
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,400
Have you ever heard of that? 
Know what is that one? 

536
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,300
It's basically like a week-long 
race from one end of the 

537
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,100
country. 
Basically entering the country 

538
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:05,900
diagonally. 
Yeah, really. 

539
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:09,400
Yeah, yeah yeah, sorry. 
I didn't know, I didn't know 

540
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,300
that acronym but yeah, I'm 
familiar with that one. 

541
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:14,100
They normally. 
So they have teams and they have

542
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,500
an RV. 
Usually follow behind them and 

543
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:18,800
then they switch off. 
But yeah, it's basically 

544
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,900
non-stop, right? 
They when one person Another 

545
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,700
person, right? 
No, it's like they don't even 

546
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:26,100
switch. 
It's just like, they just, it's 

547
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:29,300
like the one person goes by. 
They have a team that follows 

548
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:31,300
them in as a caretaker for my, 
they'll bring them, you know, 

549
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,400
food and make sure they got 
everything they need, but it's 

550
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,000
one person that's writing the 
whole time. 

551
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,700
So they'll often do like 22 
hours of continual, you know, 

552
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:41,900
pedaling and then sleep for two 
hours and then just get back on 

553
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:43,900
the bike and do it again. 
The next day for like, you know,

554
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:46,600
seven days straight, that's 
insane, man. 

555
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,600
The, the line he's capable of is
Just really mind-blowing. 

556
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:54,500
So that day, I did a six half 
miles. 

557
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:58,400
I was in the saddle for 6 or 7 
hours, I think. 

558
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,100
And I mean that's just crazy 
though. 

559
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:06,400
Just to know that you're 
constantly pedaling at a pretty 

560
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000
solid Pace. 
I think I at the end of the day,

561
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,200
I averaged about almost 16 miles
an hour and that's that's just 

562
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,500
crazy that I'm like, going 60 
miles an hour for a five and a 

563
00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:21,200
half hours straight with just a 
couple stops for food and using 

564
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,600
the bathroom. 
And water and stuff. 

565
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200
So, so let me ask you, man, 
with, with you doing that kind 

566
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,100
of endurance cycling and being a
natural body builder. 

567
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:33,100
I mean, how do you justify like,
what is your thought process 

568
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:35,000
like between doing? 
Because I mean, there are two 

569
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,500
opposite ends of the spectrum 
and I don't know, like, I've 

570
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:41,400
come to think that there may not
be that much of a disc and I 

571
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,700
like I'm not convinced, that 
cycling is so incredibly 

572
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:48,400
detrimental divided, but in 
that, it makes it a - if that 

573
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,200
makes sense. 
Yeah, I agree. 

574
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,300
I've talked to People that 
definitely think that it is but 

575
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,800
that's because in my opinion 
they don't lift weights so they 

576
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,400
don't really know better. 
You know lifting weights creates

577
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,300
a anabolic response in your 
body. 

578
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,800
The act of weightlifting is 
catabolic but if you do you feel

579
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,500
up properly free maybe even 
during him and definitely post. 

580
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,500
Then your body's going to get 
signals to say hey man we need 

581
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:18,900
to build muscle to to adapt to 
to the stimulus that you've, you

582
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,400
know, you've you're making us do
a lot of hard. 

583
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Let me get better at it. 
I feel like cycling and such 

584
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,900
other, you know, low-impact and 
learn stuff is very similar, 

585
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,500
especially low impact. 
Because now, your body doesn't 

586
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:36,500
necessarily think man, I gotta 
shed all this weight because I'm

587
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,800
bouncing around, it's like 
you're on a bike and you're just

588
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000
pedaling. 
So it's not like in fact there's

589
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,900
there's some element of hit, 
like if you go up the hill and 

590
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:49,400
the terrain is always changing. 
But you know, as far as like no 

591
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,400
I don't think people would think
oh, this. 

592
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,400
Look at this guy, he's walking 
for four hours or he's a waiter 

593
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,300
or whatever. 
It's a very similar stimulus to 

594
00:30:56,300 --> 00:31:01,000
that but maybe just hire paste. 
So I think for the most part, if

595
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,700
you're eating protein during the
ride and you have to eat during 

596
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:08,900
the ride, definitely helps and 
you eating before. 

597
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:11,500
And after I just don't think 
that you're going to break down 

598
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,000
as much muscle as people think. 
It's just, it's so easy to eat 

599
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,500
enough to maintain his long as 
you are, diligent about it. 

600
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,900
Yeah, I totally agree, man. 
Especially What I've found, you 

601
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,500
know, with Quito because like, 
when I was before keto, like I 

602
00:31:26,508 --> 00:31:29,600
would literally eat, you know, 
six or seven times a day every, 

603
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,900
you know, our to because that's 
what I thought I had to do in 

604
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,700
order to not you know, 
catabolize all my muscle but now

605
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:40,100
I mean I eat once or twice a day
and I still hit PR's in the gym.

606
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,700
I still you know all my 
measurements improve like 

607
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:45,800
everything improves, but I'm not
eating as much. 

608
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,500
Like there's so many 
traditional, you know, pieces of

609
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,300
wisdom that you hear that aren't
really so much wisdom. 

610
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,400
So, Much as they are fallacy. 
And I don't like, like you said,

611
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,000
human body is capable of so much
more. 

612
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:59,100
I said when you, when you say 
you're not eating as much, you 

613
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,100
mean you're not eating as often,
right? 

614
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:01,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

615
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,100
Yeah. 
So my calories are still high. 

616
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,400
I'm just I'm spreading it out 
much more so my My fasting 

617
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,700
Windows much, much longer, 
right? 

618
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:09,500
Right. 
Yeah. 

619
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:15,800
And I agree that people can over
complicate things for share and 

620
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,300
I think obviously the higher 
side meals just digest slower, 

621
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:21,400
so you're still getting those 
nutrients. 

622
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,700
Just over a longer period of 
time because digestion is slow 

623
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,600
down, is what I would say right.
Yeah, definitely. 

624
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Absolutely, absolutely. 
So, tell us a little bit about 

625
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,200
your protocol because like I 
said in the beginning, you know,

626
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,100
you're not keto, but I'd love to
hear kind of like, your, your 

627
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,100
take on how you do contest prep.
Like what do you do for 

628
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:42,400
yourself? 
What you do for your clients? 

629
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,300
Like, what is, what is that 
transition from? 

630
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,900
You know, the standard everyday 
walking around body fat to, you 

631
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,700
know, show stage ready? 
At, you know, six, five, four 

632
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:54,800
percent body fat. 
Look like, how's that look like 

633
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:56,600
for you? 
Yeah. 

634
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,100
So it's interesting. 
I've never put myself into like 

635
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:06,400
a keto diet with high fat and 
next, and, you know, low or no 

636
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,300
carbs, but I'm sure I'm in Quito
right now. 

637
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:12,600
I'm actually depleting for these
three days. 

638
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,400
So, yesterday today, and 
tomorrow, and my macros right 

639
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,800
now are 55 fat, 50 carbs, but 
from veggies only. 

640
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,000
So, a lot of that is fiber and 
Very little to no sugar and then

641
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,800
around 180 protein. 
So I be surprised and I'm doing 

642
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,500
fasted cardio right now. 
I don't normally do fasted 

643
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,600
cardio but it's when my energy 
levels are best. 

644
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,400
It's like early in the morning 
so I would be surprised if I'm 

645
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,400
not in ketosis, just based on 
you know, the lack of calories 

646
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,400
in General. 
But in general, so like an 

647
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,500
offseason, I actually don't even
track macros. 

648
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,000
I-i've got a pretty good 
relationship, Up with food, I 

649
00:33:52,008 --> 00:33:55,100
have a wife and two kids and we 
just we just eat normally. 

650
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,300
I just try to make sure that I'm
choosing high protein options so

651
00:33:59,308 --> 00:34:03,300
that I'm getting, you know, 
roughly 150 to 200 grams of 

652
00:34:03,308 --> 00:34:05,500
protein a day. 
And then the rest of the 

653
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:09,000
calories, I kind of let him just
fall where they need to based on

654
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:14,600
what my goals are intuitively. 
So like if I do still weigh 

655
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,199
myself, several times a week in 
the morning, you know, for 

656
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,000
consistency and just to kind of 
make sure that the way it is. 

657
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:25,300
Moving in the general direction.
I was actually and I want to 

658
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:27,500
tell people this, they they're 
usually pretty surprised, but I 

659
00:34:27,507 --> 00:34:30,500
was able to gain 1 to 2 pounds a
month. 

660
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:37,100
For a total of like 15 pounds 
over the course of about a year 

661
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:44,400
last, like in 2017 for like, 
literally from March to the end 

662
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,199
of the year. 
Basically, I went from like 150 

663
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:53,300
to 150 for 2166 and I did that 
without tracking pretty much at 

664
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:56,699
all the entire time. 
So I finished the mini cut out 

665
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:01,800
like 152 and after, you know, 
kind of depleted carbs go back 

666
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,300
up and I was like 154. 
And then just about 10 months 

667
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,900
later, only up about 12 pounds. 
So it's pretty much perfect and 

668
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,900
I just did that intuitively. 
So, like, if I felt like, I ate 

669
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,100
too much today before I need, 
just a little bit less than next

670
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,700
day. 
And then I just focus on my 

671
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,700
training and I strained. 
As hard as I could and higher 

672
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:26,300
frequency, I ran my Mac side 
training program for the whole 

673
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:30,700
time and I was hitting PRS just 
throughout the entire time. 

674
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:32,800
And then even throughout the 
beginning of my cut, I was still

675
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,200
hitting PR's until about. 
So bodyweight got like below 

676
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,700
150, and then I'm, you know, 
just hanging hanging on hanging 

677
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,500
on until, you know, strength 
starts to go the other 

678
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:44,000
direction. 
But but yeah, once once prep 

679
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,800
started, I started tracking 
macros. 

680
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,600
But I didn't stop eating out, so
I kept eating out and then just 

681
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,900
being flexible. 
And I would say That was 

682
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,700
tracking most days but then I 
was doing a lot of traveling for

683
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:57,700
expose. 
So I did like at least an 

684
00:35:57,707 --> 00:36:01,700
exponent January the Arnold in 
February or March or whatever. 

685
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,300
I did. 
There's like the Europa Expose 

686
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:10,500
and Dallas and Orlando and then 
I did body power in England. 

687
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:14,200
So even though I was technically
in prep the whole time and I 

688
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,000
need it to continue to make 
progress, I was okay with, like,

689
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,900
half a pound to one pound at 
most a week because I'd given 

690
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,100
myself plenty of time. 
I technically started at the 

691
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,800
very, very end of November, but 
I knew, you know, I had 

692
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,400
Thanksgiving that in track. 
I had Christmas, I had New 

693
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Year's had birthdays and 
anniversaries and all these 

694
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,100
things. 
So I wanted to be able to still 

695
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:38,700
enjoy those with my family and 
then all the traveling stuff. 

696
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,300
I didn't want to try to like 
have to bring a scale and be a 

697
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,700
slave to tracking while 
traveling. 

698
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,500
So I just took it easy and I 
used moderation and I was able 

699
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,300
to go from like you know, 
whatever was one. 

700
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,800
Sixty, six point eight. 
That's where I started at and 

701
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:58,000
down to about 140 to 145. 
So late was bouncing around and 

702
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
it was getting more difficult 
because I was getting hungry and

703
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,100
I felt like I just need to be 
more accurate. 

704
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,100
And I did that over the course 
of like eight months or so and I

705
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:08,900
dropped like what 25 pounds and 
then then that's when I handed 

706
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:12,600
the prep over to my business 
partner and good friend, Chris 

707
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Barakat and said, I'm a need to 
get serious because it shows in 

708
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,200
like a month. 
And so once I got back from the 

709
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:25,400
The Expo in Vegas. 
Let's we just, you know, kicked 

710
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,100
it up a notch and I stopped 
eating out completely. 

711
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,700
We deplete it for like a whole 
week. 

712
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:33,200
Just to get as much fat loss as 
possible for that show, which is

713
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,500
basically a warm-up shot only 
did that show. 

714
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,900
Because in New York, for a 
couple reasons is because I want

715
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,500
my Pro card there and 2015. 
So it was cool to come back and 

716
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:42,300
do it. 
Pro Show. 

717
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,300
New York is a cool place to 
visit. 

718
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:48,100
I've only had been there that 
one time and I wanted to qualify

719
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,000
for worlds which was the main 
event for me which would be 

720
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,700
About eight weeks later in 
November, from that time, when 

721
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:57,300
that New York show was and I 
still came in the best I've ever

722
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,500
looked and took third and a 
solid line up. 

723
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,400
And I feel like I just feel like
if I would have came in a little

724
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,600
bit leaner, I could have won 
that show, I think. 

725
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,100
But then that's a long time to 
be like the full East, read it, 

726
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,100
you know, until until November 
that seven seven or eight more 

727
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,900
weeks, that's kind of hard. 
So I was happy with how 

728
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,800
everything turned out and it 
motivated me so much that I was 

729
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,400
like, I'm gonna do, I want to do
one more show in Between Worlds 

730
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,800
and the last one? 
So that's why I signed up for 

731
00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:35,900
the Boston show, which is three 
days from now on Sunday and I'm 

732
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,400
excited, man. 
This is like by far the best 

733
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,800
I've ever looked so much leaner 
than I was in New York. 

734
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:45,900
That still in my opinion, 
hopefully, maintaining all the 

735
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:48,100
same muscle mass and we're going
to be a lot more aggressive with

736
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,400
the peak this week because it's 
nothing to lose. 

737
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,700
And then it'll give us some 
really good data on how, how far

738
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:57,800
we can push it for worlds, which
is two weeks after this show. 

739
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,600
It's this exciting and you're 
going to, you're going to game 

740
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000
time right now. 
For sure have you noticed like 

741
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,100
what would you say the 
differences between, you know, 

742
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,800
this year's prep versus years 
prior where you come in and 

743
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,500
sharper this year? 
Like did you change a whole lot 

744
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,300
of your Reggie or is it more a 
matter of your body just being, 

745
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,100
you know, more acclimated to 
doing preps like the more you do

746
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,400
your, the more your body 
responds, you get more muscle 

747
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,200
maturity. 
Now, it's kind of like you're 

748
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,800
more seasoned athlete. 
Well, I think I did gain a lot 

749
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,700
of size and I brought up a lot 
of weak points in my offseason. 

750
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,400
I brought up like you mentioned 
my legs. 

751
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,900
My, my quads are better than 
they've ever been. 

752
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,700
I don't know if cycling had 
anything to do with that, but I 

753
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,300
just think it was the 
consistency. 

754
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,100
I was training like three times 
a week since I can't squat 

755
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:44,300
because of a tear in my left hip
Have to find other exercises 

756
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,000
that I can tolerate. 
So, like, I do goblet squats and

757
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Bulgarian split squats. 
And so with max type, it's a six

758
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,700
out of eight days and three of 
those days are lower body. 

759
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,400
So one day is specifically 
focused on hamstrings and I 

760
00:39:57,408 --> 00:40:00,300
think I brought my hamstrings up
more than any other body part. 

761
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:02,000
Really. 
And then the other one would 

762
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,700
probably be my delts because 
they've just, they're just 

763
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:05,800
small. 
My shoulder joints are small. 

764
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,400
So I had to put a lot of focus 
on growing the muscle around 

765
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,800
them to get the same look that 
maybe somebody with a larger. 

766
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,100
ER, you know shoulder cap would,
you know, was able to achieve. 

767
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:20,800
So just say I bring it up, weak 
points was a big thing and 

768
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,100
actually making gains and giving
myself a long offseason and then

769
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,100
I think just taking the prep so 
slow. 

770
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:29,500
In the beginning, gave me the 
ability to continue to make a 

771
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,600
little bit of progress. 
Even as I was dieting down 

772
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,400
because I wasn't, you know, 
always in a big deficit. 

773
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,700
Probably not always in the 
deficit at all, you know, a lot 

774
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:40,600
of days traveling and stuff like
that. 

775
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,900
It's like almost having Not look
like little diet, breaks here 

776
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:45,800
and there. 
Almost like initially I had 

777
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,300
planned to get some 150. 
So I'm like 138 right now which 

778
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:52,800
I'm not. 
That's going to shock anybody 

779
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,400
out everybody. 
I was a natural Butters. 

780
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,300
We get super light. 
Yeah I plan to get some 150 and 

781
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,400
then take a diet break but the 
way the timing worked out I 

782
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,900
didn't actually take a diet 
break and instead it was like 

783
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,900
you know I was taking these like
lar not not so much. 

784
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,800
We feed to put days where I'm 
not in the devil. 

785
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,300
Asset or whatever. 
So and then just the longer prep

786
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:18,300
was similar to my 2015 prep. 
And I know I looked at the 

787
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,100
sharpest then because I didn't 
rush it and I took my time and I

788
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,600
don't think I was sacrificing, a
lot of muscle mass. 

789
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,500
The my calories are so low, 
though. 

790
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:30,500
Also, like that's the other 
thing is, I couldn't be afraid 

791
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,400
to get more aggressive. 
I work a desk job, doing online 

792
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,900
coaching full-time. 
So in, and before that, I was in

793
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,800
sales before I transition to 
doing the coaching and social 

794
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,900
media. 
Full time, I was in sales. 

795
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,200
The same thing, it was a desk 
job and it's just it is what it 

796
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,400
is with being so sedentary. 
Sometimes, you know, if being a 

797
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,500
smaller person as well, you have
to be willing to go on calories 

798
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,100
that maybe other people aren't 
willing to do or think maybe 

799
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,300
isn't normal or whatever. 
Like you know people like to 

800
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:05,100
brag about being on 300 carbs 
and losing weight and why I love

801
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:09,100
that when my clients are able to
do that maybe if they have a 

802
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:13,200
more active lifestyle or 
whatever, you know, Do their job

803
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,100
is more physically active. 
I just simply don't have that 

804
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:20,000
luxury. 
So I have to do more cardio and 

805
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000
dieting a little bit harder. 
So it is what it is, but you 

806
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,900
can't be afraid to do that. 
So that's one thing. 

807
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:29,700
Also that working with Barakat 
is do is just not afraid to push

808
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:33,800
me some 100 carbs a day. 
Sure, whatever. 75 cars a day. 

809
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,500
Let's go. 
It's okay, whatever. 1,500 

810
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:37,500
calories a day. 
Let's do it. 

811
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,600
So 1500 is pretty much the depth
of what you'll probably get down

812
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,900
to on your caloric intake. 
Month of the pleading right now 

813
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,300
in 1415. 
But last week, I was on 1445. 

814
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,800
I just had a little more carbs 
and little less fat but yeah, it

815
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,000
is what it is. 
Yeah, it was probably preface 

816
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,300
this because like a lot of 
people will hear this and I know

817
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,900
I need to be taken in 1450 
calories, but I mean, like you 

818
00:42:59,908 --> 00:43:03,100
said your 138 pounds and a half 
how tall are you about? 

819
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:07,100
56 and that's that's something 
I've pointed out on my one of my

820
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:10,300
Instagram post is yesterday. 
Like you cannot compare the most

821
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:14,800
extreme part of my diet With the
diet that you're getting on just

822
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,500
to look better for the beach in 
the summer. 

823
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,500
Like they're completely 
different things and you know if

824
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:24,000
you're a 200-pound guy that is a
firefighter, you know, you might

825
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,900
be able to dine on 3000 calories
because it is what it is. 

826
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:30,900
Like we have very different 
metabolisms, we have very 

827
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,200
different lean body mass and our
goals are also very different. 

828
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,800
Like I've already been dieting 
for almost a year, so just 

829
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,800
please don't think that you need
to be on 1400 calories to make. 

830
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Maybe you do but it's unlikely, 
you know, you probably should 

831
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,600
start out with a much more 
gradual approach. 

832
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,900
Yeah, it's kind of crazy man. 
Like when I transitioned into 

833
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:54,500
coaching, there's so much that I
learned from my years, you know,

834
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,300
prior to that just in 
bodybuilding that I learned 

835
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,400
about just like caloric 
manipulations and whatnot. 

836
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:04,000
The whole concept of apron your 
Macros down is like for into so 

837
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,100
many people to us. 
It's just like second nature. 

838
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,400
Yeah, I agree. 
Like you, the more people you 

839
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,800
work with the more that you 
learn about. 

840
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:16,500
Out, you know how certain people
respond like, for example, 

841
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:20,500
changing someone's macros by 15 
carves, that's like 160 

842
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,000
calories. 
Like, you know, the generally 

843
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,300
isn't going to make you, that's 
not going to be a huge 

844
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,900
difference, but you'll notice 
that somebody might have stalled

845
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:33,200
out or maybe they had two weeks 
for Wade, didn't change very 

846
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,300
much and you make a very small 
adjustment and boom, they're 

847
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,300
losing a pound a week, and it's 
crazy because, you know It's 

848
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:44,200
not, it's not really because of 
those 60 calories, but it's that

849
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,300
just kicks their body up and 
something changes. 

850
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,700
And it's like, it's very 
interesting just to see how that

851
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:49,900
me happen. 
So often. 

852
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,700
Yeah, it's mind-blowing moment. 
What do you normally go up to in

853
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:55,300
your office? 
Like, what kind of caloric 

854
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,200
intake are you? 
I know you're not tracking but 

855
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,600
if you just had that had to 
guess. 

856
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Yeah, if I had to guess, I think
it's anywhere between 2,500 and 

857
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:07,300
3,000 a day and it just varies. 
And to me, that's a decent 

858
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:11,100
amount of food, you know, for 
someone who only Get up to at 

859
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:15,800
the very heaviest, like 170, and
that's pretty fat for me. 

860
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,600
I think I'd probably hang out 
around 160 at the most this 

861
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,300
offseason, but we don't know. 
We'll see, you know, depends on 

862
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,000
how I feel with all the 
additional cardio. 

863
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,500
And if I decide to take 2019 
with like bodybuilding, 

864
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:33,400
completely on the back burner, 
and then stay leaner, maybe I'll

865
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,700
stay 150. 
So, I don't know, we'll see, you

866
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:39,700
know, it's interesting to see 
how your body responds to. 

867
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,000
Caloric Surplus, man. 
Like, I'm at 6,000 calories 

868
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,400
right now and I'm just surprised
that my body hasn't put on more 

869
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,800
fat than it has. 
Yeah, that's insane. 6,000 

870
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,900
calories while. 
Yeah, I don't like it. 

871
00:45:50,908 --> 00:45:52,800
I don't recommend it just way 
too much food. 

872
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:54,600
I'm just doing it as an 
experiment. 

873
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,800
That's other people don't have 
to. 

874
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,100
How much are you getting perfect
honestly? 

875
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,700
Man, I'm kind of like Plateau. 
Like my body's kind of been at 

876
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:05,600
the 185 warranty 7 Mark for 
quite some time now like it's 

877
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,500
it's it's taken what I'm putting
in it and it's just pretty much 

878
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,800
Like equalize itself. 
It's really strange. 

879
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,600
That's what there's an upper 
threshold as much as there is a 

880
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,000
lower threshold what that's 
insane. 

881
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,400
So what's your training? 
Like? 

882
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,300
I'm sure you must have tons of 
energy I do but I don't know. 

883
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,100
I feel like I've I've got I've 
got so much stuff going on right

884
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,300
now with the business side that 
my trainings kind of suffered 

885
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,600
which is one of my main 
motivations for I'm building a 

886
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,700
gym right now. 
So I'm going to have that so 

887
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:35,800
that I can remove that as an 
excuse but a man training is not

888
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,100
been as optimal as I would like,
but when eating that much Food 

889
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,900
Training heavy I notice, you 
know, pretty 6 pretty 

890
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,800
substantial strength gains week 
after week. 

891
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,800
I mean my body's taken that fuel
and using it for sure. 

892
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:51,500
Yeah, I can imagine I have a 
friend in England who is on a 

893
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:55,600
very high calorie diet as well 
and he's made slike incredible 

894
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,900
gains. 
He's like 230 something pounds. 

895
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:03,700
He competed at 170 and I just it
blows my mind that natural as 

896
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:08,600
well and blows my mind that he 
looks as good as he does so much

897
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:12,700
over stage way. 
I mean, he also trains really 

898
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:17,200
really hard, those really heavy 
as long as he avoids injury. 

899
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,400
It'd be really cool to see where
he ends up in the future, like 

900
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,400
stage way. 
It was like, if it's actually 

901
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,400
possible that he's gonna retain 
that muscle mass, the name is 

902
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,800
Dan and what is his last name, I
forget. 

903
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,100
But, uh, pretty incredible. 
Do Park and park? 

904
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:35,200
You might know him. 
They brought y'all check him out

905
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,900
for sure. 
I'll check him out. 

906
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,500
Yeah, it's pretty interesting 
man. 

907
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,700
Like I'm really wanting to You 
know about 2019, I hope to have 

908
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:45,300
the gym done and I could just 
block that entire year out to 

909
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,400
really focus on my training, you
know, keep in calories high and 

910
00:47:48,408 --> 00:47:50,000
just really optimize my 
offseason. 

911
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,600
So I want to compete again in 
2020. 

912
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:54,300
It's a substantial difference 
from what I look like when I 

913
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:58,500
stepped on stage in 2017. 
But I mean training, I so many 

914
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,200
people. 
They train harder in their 

915
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,600
contest prep than they do in 
their off season and they have 

916
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,000
it all backwards. 
I mean, you should just train 

917
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,500
hard, you know, whatever season 
you're in so to speak. 

918
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:12,200
But let me people. 
They tap the brakes, when they 

919
00:48:12,207 --> 00:48:15,400
go into an off season because 
they don't have the physical 

920
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,500
appeal of looking as, as 
shredded as they do, you know, 

921
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:21,200
in a contest prep. 
But that's the time to really, 

922
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:23,700
really hit the gas hard. 
Yeah, I agree with you. 

923
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:27,900
I think it's all about 
motivation which and discipline 

924
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,800
obviously, because you can't 
stay no one expects you to stay 

925
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,500
motivated, 24/7. 
But you have to you have to 

926
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,400
like, realize that it's 
bodybuilding and that if you're 

927
00:48:37,408 --> 00:48:39,600
not building an offseason, then 
what are you? 

928
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:41,300
Doing. 
So, whether that means you have 

929
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:44,300
to get on a new program to like 
really like spark that fire 

930
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,800
again or I mean I think that's 
one. 

931
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,100
Like so I don't think powerless 
thing isn't necessarily the best

932
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:54,300
thing for bodybuilders to do in 
the offseason because it's not 

933
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,700
focused as much on hypertrophy, 
but I do think that powerlifters

934
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,700
or power Builders or whatever 
you want to call it, right? 

935
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,600
At least they have goals to get 
stronger and that their training

936
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,600
intensity is going to stay 
higher versus someone. 

937
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,500
That is just doing hypertrophy 
training who attacks the 

938
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:16,200
offseason or doesn't attack the 
offseason at all. 

939
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Just kind of like gets through 
the offseason takes it as almost

940
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,500
like a break and then they want 
to prep again and then they get 

941
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:25,800
surprised when they realized 
they haven't made any progress 

942
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:29,200
or very little progress. 
So, especially once you're past 

943
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,200
that, like first five years, if 
you're not, if you're not really

944
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,700
putting in 100% effort in the 
offseason, then you're just, 

945
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:38,200
you're going to stop making 
progress. 

946
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,600
It is what it is. 
You gotta train hard. 

947
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:41,200
Hard. 
A total agreement. 

948
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,500
Totally agree. 
What are some? 

949
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:45,500
Some training principles that 
you've learned because training 

950
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,700
for a natural athlete is going 
to be considerably different 

951
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:50,100
than training for. 
You know, someone has taken 

952
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,500
performance-enhancing drugs. 
When your recovery time is going

953
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,400
to be a bit longer, I mean, your
ability to lift heavier and 

954
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,600
build is going to be a bit 
different. 

955
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,200
So what are some principles that
you apply for yourself in an 

956
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,700
offseason? 
Well for one I think you said 

957
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:08,000
training frequencies key. 
Yeah my frequency goes higher 

958
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,700
like so when I saw Iran Max 
height, I was at six out of 

959
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:16,400
eight days and I was doing upper
lower rest, and then four days 

960
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,100
of alternating, between two, 
upper body parts together and 

961
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,700
then like a quad Focus day or 
hamstring Focus day. 

962
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,600
And then, so for example, like 
chest and arms quads and 

963
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,700
adductors and then together 
would be back in delts. 

964
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,400
And then the last day would be 
like hamstrings and calves then 

965
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,100
arrest and then repeat that but 
with a different reference and 

966
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:39,600
then the second set of four 
days. 

967
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:44,500
As would be like, chest and back
quads and adductors again, and 

968
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:50,100
then Delta and arms and then 
hamstrings and calves again, and

969
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:53,300
then rest and repeat again. 
So, and then there's a third rep

970
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,400
range that alternates. 
So now, you have weekly 

971
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,900
undulating periodization with 
three different rep ranges, but 

972
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:00,400
two different weeks. 
And so basically, it's six weeks

973
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,000
before you repeat the exact same
workout and, and that really 

974
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,200
kept it fresh. 
And the first two days being 

975
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,600
upper lower, we would cycle 
through five by five. 

976
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:14,500
I 4 by 8 and 3 sets of 10. 
And so you're getting the three 

977
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,300
sets of 10 is a lot easier but 
it's still a different reference

978
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,500
three sets of ten to twelve. 
And then the five by five is 

979
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:23,700
really hard in the workouts to 
take a little longer for by 8 is

980
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,400
really fun. 
You get a nice solid pump but 

981
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,000
then because of the you know the
way it Cycles you're getting and

982
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,600
you're in a surplus you're 
getting enough time to actually 

983
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,600
continue to hit PRS and then 
every six weeks or so you could 

984
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,100
take a deload if you want on the
seventh week it just Depends on 

985
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,400
your intensity and how you feel.
But the other thing you can do 

986
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,300
is change out those first 
exercise of the of the upper and

987
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,000
lower. 
So like if you wanted to focus 

988
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,700
on incline bench for six weeks 
and you can maybe go flat bench 

989
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:58,300
for six weeks and to me that 
just keeps the Super Fresh and I

990
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,500
stuck with flat bench for the 
longest time then I switched to 

991
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:08,100
Incline and I like I just like 
seeing progress and and I was 

992
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,500
definitely seeing progress so 
For me, training hard is 

993
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:14,000
important. 
I like high volume as well like 

994
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
getting sick pumps but I also 
like monitoring strength gains 

995
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,700
to so in and not just in lower, 
like I don't actually ever 

996
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:24,500
really trained below 5 reps, but
I'm not saying that you 

997
00:52:24,508 --> 00:52:29,100
shouldn't just that for me. 
As far as like my little small 

998
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:33,700
joints in my propensity to get 
injured, I found that not going 

999
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,800
below. 5 is best for me. 
And how many, how many total 

1000
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,100
exercises are you normally? 
Coming for a given muscle group.

1001
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:47,100
Well, so on the upper day you're
going to hit your main chest 

1002
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,200
exercise which is four or five 
sets. 

1003
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,400
Then you're going to do a like a
back look for five sets like a 

1004
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,800
horizontal row. 
Then you're going to do another 

1005
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,400
press but like a vertical soleko
HP or a seated shoulder standing

1006
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,100
shoulder press and that's 
another four sets and then 

1007
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,000
you're going to do a vertical 
pull down. 

1008
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,100
So another back exercise, but 
instead of horizontal row, it's 

1009
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:11,100
a vertical. 
Lat pulldown or weighted, 

1010
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,900
pull-ups another four sets. 
And then, from there, you have 

1011
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:21,200
like three or four different, 
super sets of all types of stuff

1012
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,800
like you straight on lap, press 
Downs, front raises lateral, 

1013
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:33,700
raises face, pools, cable fly's.
And then, you know, three sets 

1014
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:38,000
each of corals and press Downs. 
So, there's a lot of volume and,

1015
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,600
and that's like a typical upper 
day. 

1016
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:42,700
Day and then when you go into 
your other day, where it's more 

1017
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:46,400
specialized than you've got to 
say, three exercises of each, so

1018
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,800
maybe twelve sets each. 
So throughout the week you're 

1019
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,300
getting maybe 20 sets, got your 
guess. 

1020
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,100
Yeah, I've been I've been 
playing around with a lot of 

1021
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,500
different training techniques, 
but I'm going to, I'm going to 

1022
00:53:55,508 --> 00:53:56,800
do whatever you're doing for 
chest, man. 

1023
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,700
I'm in my chest is my weakest 
point for sure. 

1024
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,800
And I think Jess is probably one
of your strongest. 

1025
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,300
Yeah, you know, it's funny. 
I think a lot of it obviously is

1026
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,400
genetics, but like I think it's 
interesting that I've seen over 

1027
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,300
the years is that if someone has
really good arms, like let's say

1028
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:13,800
that, Arms are short and they 
and they just the mechanical 

1029
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,900
leverages. 
If you have shorter arms usually

1030
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:20,100
have better triceps and then a 
week or chest, if you have long 

1031
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:23,200
arms, usually have shittier 
triceps and a way stronger 

1032
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,500
chest. 
So I think a lot of it comes 

1033
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:29,800
down to Mechanical leverage to. 
So like if your where your grip 

1034
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,700
position is at if you're going 
super wide you might not have. 

1035
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,700
So I think it really the best 
for bench press at least I found

1036
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:39,600
that the best position for 
chest. 

1037
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:43,300
Activation is more of like a 
medium width grip so I'm not too

1038
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:47,500
narrow, not too wide and 
allowing you know, some flare in

1039
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:50,900
the elbows but it's cool man. 
Everybody's different. 

1040
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:54,600
So it's really cool to see the 
differences and how certain 

1041
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,600
stimulus will affect you. 
I wish I'd get my upper chest to

1042
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,800
grab solutely. 
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna work 

1043
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,600
on my chest. 
I'm gonna start doing like 

1044
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,100
frequency for really, you know, 
weak point training, like my 

1045
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,400
calves, for instance, man. 
Like my I used to never have any

1046
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,600
calves and I just said screw it.
I'm going to train them. 

1047
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,900
Single day. 
So as super said everything I 

1048
00:55:11,908 --> 00:55:14,700
do, I superset with calves and I
do calves with every single 

1049
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,500
exercise, every single day and 
they've really started to grow. 

1050
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,700
And that's the only reason why I
think it's awesome, man. 

1051
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,900
I like people don't realize that
enough in my opinion. 

1052
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:28,000
I think in the beginning, that's
probably not the best thing to 

1053
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,100
do, right? 
Because you need to give your 

1054
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:30,700
muscles time to rest and 
recover. 

1055
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,700
But once you've realized that 
this is a super lagging body 

1056
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:37,400
part in that, you've been 
training x amount of years, and 

1057
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,800
you have a body part, that's not
growing it He's not hurt to 

1058
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:43,400
literally just start hitting it 
every day and seeing if you're 

1059
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,400
going to make progress and I 
think like I agree with that 

1060
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,400
forearm specifically like a lot 
of people that complain about 

1061
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,500
having like, super small arms. 
I don't think that they would. 

1062
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,700
I don't think it would hurt to 
try hitting arms every day 

1063
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:59,400
especially when it's a muscle 
group that recovered so quickly.

1064
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:01,700
Yeah, total agreement. 
Totally agree. 

1065
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,700
Listen brother. 
We've been on for almost an 

1066
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:04,800
hour. 
I want to be respectful of your 

1067
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,800
time but before we go you don't 
have both natural body. 

1068
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,300
Butters are both, love the 
sport. 

1069
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,300
Give give like a like your final
thought, man, give give a reason

1070
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,500
for people that might be on the 
fence as to whether or not, they

1071
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:18,400
should jump into this and give 
it a shot like what's, what's 

1072
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,600
your call to action speech to 
them? 

1073
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:24,800
Yeah, I think that if you have 
ever thought about doing a show 

1074
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,400
and you've been like on the on 
the fence about it, I really 

1075
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,200
think you should just hire a 
coach pick out a show and see 

1076
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,300
what you're capable of doing. 
Because there's very few Sports 

1077
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:40,300
out there that will push you and
then like Really. 

1078
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:46,100
Test your mental fortitude and 
your discipline like prepping 

1079
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,200
for a natural bodybuilding show.
Maybe it's not something that 

1080
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,600
you fall in love with and maybe 
it's not something that you 

1081
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,500
decide that you're going to 
continue to compete in for the 

1082
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:56,500
next 10 years. 
But the experience alone, I 

1083
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:58,800
think will change you usually 
for the better. 

1084
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:02,400
But for me, I compared it to 
Marine Corps boot camp. 

1085
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:04,500
That was one of the hardest 
things I've ever done. 

1086
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:08,500
And I went and I did a tour in 
Iraq and honestly boot camp was 

1087
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:14,100
harder than that. 
And so I I really do compare 

1088
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,100
the, the in stages of 
bodybuilding contest prep to 

1089
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:21,000
Marine boot camp because it 
really just breaks you down and 

1090
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,400
it tests, your spirit test, your
discipline, your willpower, in 

1091
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,900
ways that you just, there's 
almost nothing like it. 

1092
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,100
I mean, I think probably 
training for a marathon like if 

1093
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:33,800
you're actually training for it 
and you're pushing for PR's and 

1094
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:40,100
going beyond your limit is 
probably pretty similar, but the

1095
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:43,200
diet is forever. 
Like like It doesn't, you can't 

1096
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,100
really turn it off like when 
you're in prep, there's, you 

1097
00:57:46,107 --> 00:57:49,000
know, you eat, and maybe you're 
satisfied for half an hour or 

1098
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,600
so. 
But when you're at the end and 

1099
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,300
you're hungry 24/7, there's just
something about that type of 

1100
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:58,200
suffering, that, that prolonged 
suffering for a couple months at

1101
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:03,200
a time or longer that is very 
special and it almost like 

1102
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,300
unlock some shit inside of, you 
know. 

1103
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:09,600
I totally agree, man. 
Like it's weird but it's 

1104
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,900
awesome. 
Like I come out of a prep. 

1105
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,800
So much stronger. 
Every single time I do have prep

1106
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,800
like, it's, it's what I do now, 
when I need to realize who I am 

1107
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,800
again and you just, you just 
locked down to, like, their 

1108
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,400
primitive being and you figured 
out what you're made of, because

1109
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:31,400
it's a whole nother animal to be
in such a depleted State and 

1110
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,600
have food in abundance, all 
around you, but then have the 

1111
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,800
mental fortitude to say no to. 
It just stay in line with your 

1112
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,300
goals, be consistent discipline 
with your eating and your 

1113
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,600
training. 
I mean it It's, it's no joke. 

1114
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,500
I mean, you find out what you're
made of real quick. 

1115
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:47,700
Yes, funny. 
I think like some of my clients 

1116
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:50,700
don't realize how much easier 
they actually have it like the 

1117
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:54,300
single guys that literally, all 
they have to do is just not buy 

1118
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:57,800
the food, that would tempt them,
but I've wife and two kids. 

1119
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,100
So I can walk downstairs right 
now and I could down entire box 

1120
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:04,000
of Cinnamon Toast Crunch, but 
that wouldn't give me that. 

1121
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,400
I want to win the lightweight 
World Championships and a little

1122
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,900
over two weeks. 
So that wouldn't put me in the 

1123
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:13,500
position to do that. 
So, I obviously, Don't don't 

1124
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:14,700
ever even considered. 
I'm not. 

1125
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,500
Am I tempted? 
No, not even really. 

1126
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:21,500
I mean honestly, like it's, it 
wouldn't be wouldn't it wouldn't

1127
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:23,500
help me, reach my goals. 
It'd be, like one of those 

1128
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:25,400
short-term things like, man, 
that felt great. 

1129
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,900
But now what have I done? 
And so it's just cool man to see

1130
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:33,700
like how much willpower the 
human body has and how strong 

1131
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:39,100
you can really be mentally and I
don't know how to replicate that

1132
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:44,000
in other things, but I think 
like, you know, No, some of 

1133
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,300
these really hard Endurance 
Sports, it's probably like a 

1134
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:51,200
similar mindset, although it's 
like a more brief, you know, 

1135
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,000
like a marathon being like four 
to six hours of suffering versus

1136
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,400
like prolonged suffering. 
So it's really interesting and 

1137
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,500
And I love it. 
And it don't get me wrong. 

1138
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:08,300
I can't wait until November 17th
comes and I can go into the 

1139
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:12,400
offseason but it really does 
make you appreciate it all the 

1140
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:15,800
food that you can have 
afterwards and, and, you know, 

1141
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,000
and eating unrestricted or 
whatever. 

1142
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,200
So it's, it's just, I guess it's
like that thing, right? 

1143
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,500
Where if, if there was no like 
suffering, then there you 

1144
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,100
wouldn't really be able to 
appreciate how good you have and

1145
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:31,100
all the happiness. 
It's pretty cool, 100% 

1146
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,800
agreement. 
Not enough, people push 

1147
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,600
themselves past the point of the
thing that are capable of, but 

1148
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:39,500
but bodybuilding is a great 
vehicle to do just that. 

1149
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:41,900
And like I said, I don't know 
too many other sports. 

1150
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,200
I mean, there's a lot of hard 
Sports out there but there's not

1151
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,000
anything, really like 
bodybuilding? 

1152
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,900
Of course, I'm probably biased 
as a bodybuilder, but I mean, 

1153
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:51,300
it's a whole another kind of 
animal. 

1154
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,700
Yeah. 
I think part of the Tour de 

1155
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:57,700
France is probably way harder 
because they're doing like 23 

1156
01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:01,000
days at those are like two rest 
days in the hole things like 21 

1157
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,700
stages. 
Has 22 stages and 2,500 miles or

1158
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,600
something like that. 
I can't think of something 

1159
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,900
harder than that, as probably 
like one of the hardest things. 

1160
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:12,900
But, and then maybe an ultra 
marathons, probably pretty hard.

1161
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,100
I mean, you ran a marathon. 
So I can only imagine what? 

1162
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:20,500
Like 100 miles would feel like, 
but but, but as far as like, 

1163
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,000
knowing that you're going to 
sleep hungry, you're gonna wake 

1164
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,800
up hungry and you're gonna stay 
on greens. 

1165
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:28,400
I mean, man, and then you still 
have to train. 

1166
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,500
And, and if you don't train 
hard, you lose more muscle mass.

1167
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,700
Testing then, you know, as 
acceptable and that's even 

1168
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:38,800
worse. 
Yeah, and we love it. 

1169
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:42,300
Yeah, we'll listen brother. 
I know, I know you gotta go, 

1170
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:43,900
man. 
What, what's a, where can people

1171
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:45,800
go to find out more about you. 
What's the best place to get in 

1172
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,500
touch with with Chris Elkins? 
Oh yeah, I think the easiest way

1173
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:50,900
is just to pull up my Instagram.
You can just type in my name. 

1174
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:55,500
Chris alkanes, it's at Chris 
underscore Elkins and then from 

1175
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,500
there, you have the links to all
my stuff. 

1176
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:02,500
My coaching website cutting-edge
physics.com and My training 

1177
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:06,400
program brand which is Max hype 
training.com awesome man. 

1178
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:07,900
Well I really appreciate you 
jumping on here. 

1179
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:10,300
Brother is good. 
You know, catch up with you, 

1180
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:13,000
haven't seen you in a long time 
so we're going to reunite. 

1181
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,900
I'll definitely come back to 
that show in August. 

1182
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,200
If all, if all goes well and I'm
able to put it in my schedule 

1183
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,100
man. 
I love to go out there and 

1184
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:20,300
support you doing that. 
Yeah, that'd be awesome to have 

1185
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:22,600
you there man and anyone else 
that's listening. 

1186
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,400
Now we hope to see you there as 
well. 

1187
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,300
Whether either an audience or 
maybe on stage for your first 

1188
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:31,200
show, we're going to have all 
the all the classes. 

1189
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,000
So We'll have a novice class and
then we're even going to have a 

1190
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,100
debut class. 
So it'll be only for people 

1191
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:37,900
doing their first show. 
Awesome. 

1192
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:39,600
I love it, man. 
I love it will keep killing the 

1193
01:02:39,607 --> 01:02:41,300
game, brother. 
Thanks a lot, man. 

1194
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:42,400
You to same to you.