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Hello ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes ketose a.com and to never 

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get special guest Kelly troop on
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She is a functional Wellness 
practitioner and we dive into 

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all things nutrition, we dive 
into what she is. 

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Found to be beneficial as it 
retained as it pertains to 

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rotating through the seasons. 
When it comes to fruits and 

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vegetables, whether she 
recommends being keto long-term 

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or not, we talked about cycling,
your food, you talk about 

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carnivore, we talked about how 
she was able to improve her 

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health. 
Drastically by adopting a Real 

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food approach. 
We also dive deep into Believe 

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It or Not mold so she had quite 
an issue with mulch into a 

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full-blown house. 
Remediation of mold, she was 

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having all kinds of issues 
health-wise from mold and we 

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dive deep into the mold Rabbit 
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So if you had any desire to 
learn about mold, this is 

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definitely the podcast for you 
thoroughly. 

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Enjoy the conversation is she is
a wealth of knowledge of get. 

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No doubt that you will take 
something from this. 

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So that further Ado, sit back 
relax and do the podcast with 

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Kelly Troop. 
And we are Live Kelly. 

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How are you? 
I'm good. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing a wonderful. 

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Well, I'm excited that I've been
with you today because we were 

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talking via email, we got into 
it. 

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I guess we met, we met through 
Mike who's a mutual friend and 

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he was telling me that you are 
the brains behind a lot of 

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ancestral eating which is 
something that I have a interest

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in for sure most listeners this 
podcast what as well and I kind 

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of want to dive into that. 
But before we even touch that, 

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can you kind of give me some 
back story as to what got you 

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into the functional nutrition? 
Space to begin with? 

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Well I actually started out as 
just like the nutrition aspect. 

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I mean I started out as a primal
health coach much like our 

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friend Mike and really, that 
just became a thing because I 

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had metabolic disease and I was 
26 years old and I had fatty 

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liver and polycystic ovaries and
inflammation and I was upset, I 

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couldn't lose weight and I had 
an endocrinologist, I guess kind

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of head of his I'm because this 
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keto took off, this is you know 
just kind of when standard 

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medicine ruled the world and he 
was just like look you can you 

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can cut out inflammatory foods. 
You can go low carb, or you can 

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essentially take metformin and I
was like, I'm too young to be on

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meds. 
So I took the diet much to my 

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disbelief, that anything was 
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I mean I had done whole grains. 
I had done eating 1200 calories 

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a day, I done working out five 
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ten pounds in like Four months 
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Changing the way I ate literally
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months. 
I never gained it back. 

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I had energy and I wanted to 
know why. 

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So, I kind of Dove down that 
rabbit hole of nutrition and 

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really just ran with it. 
And and that served me really 

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well for about five or six years
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And so, of course, you know, you
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You're like, well, maybe I am 
meeting wrong, maybe I need to 

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eat more veggies. 
Maybe I need to eat more carbs. 

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What? 
What am I doing? 

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You know, that's not you know 
like why isn't food working this

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time and food wasn't working, no
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matter which way I went, I could
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Like, I went completely 
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I did. 
So for about six months just to 

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control my symptoms, but I was 
well aware that even though that

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controlled my symptoms, that 
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The reason why I was imbalanced 
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And so, I started diving down 
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finding root causes, and I had 
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I had a parasite. 
I had c-diff from a surgery like

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a small procedure that I had 
done and of course they loaded 

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me pull antibiotics. 
Which is like the seed if you 

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know way to thrive and then I 
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that it completely unrooted me. 
And then I went back to school 

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to become a functional medicine,
Health practitioners that I 

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could help other people that 
realized food is not always 

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enough and sometimes we need to 
dig deeper what was the primary 

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symptom that you were 
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When you realize that you were 
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Oh, days of constipation 
bloating. 

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Just I had autoimmune 
antibodies, I had lupus 

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antibodies showing up, I was 
fatigued again, so that energy 

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that I had found in my 20s and 
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Now gone, I'd work a 10-hour day
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do ultrasound. 
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anatomy and physiology 
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And I would just flat line. 
At the end of the day, I 

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couldn't cook my kids dinner. 
I couldn't do anything my 

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muscles 8. 
Was I was pretty miserable. 

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Got you? 
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beginning, when you have the 
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issues the PCOS, and then you 
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Well, you pretty much doing the 
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that time. 
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Looking like at the moment. 
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I started sloppy keto. 
I'll be the first to admit that.

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I was like eating probably 3,000
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Hey, I'd go to, like Wendy's and
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You know, cheese curds eggs, 
anything I could get my hands on

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that. 
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count carbs in a nap because I 
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And then I think I was in 
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And the grocery store was just 
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there's a small farm. 
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out and I think we got some pork
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tasted like, what I remembered 
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know, because nowadays I feel 
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Like there's no specific taste 
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It tastes like meat, generally, 
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and this one was like, bright 
red, like it looked like a steak

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and I was like what in the world
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it matters what I eat it matter.
My animals eat and, you know, 

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then I started going a little 
more like, you know, how do I go

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organic? 
How do I work with nature? 

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How do I, you know, respect the 
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that sent me down that way. 
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corner will for six months, that
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second time, right? 
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That was when I was sick, the 
second time, had the autoimmune,

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the lupus, the seat, if the mold
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what was the initial Catalyst 
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That surgery for the seat if I'm
assuming and then what What, for

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Lupus, lupus was just showing up
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when you have a pathogen in your
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bunch of imbalances and one of 
those imbalances the gut it you 

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know it hits that pretty hard 
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it lets things get into your 
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immune response. 
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goes for a long period of time, 
it becomes dysfunctional certain

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immune cells, you know, maybe 
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when they become dysfunctional, 
sometimes Foods Some of your 

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bodily tissues, we have like a 
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know, like, but people with 
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form of autoimmune, like it gets
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this leaky gut and it looks like
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thyroid gets attacked because it
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But we, you know, we're peeling 
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not even just wheat. 
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look very similar, you know, 
like potatoes, get on that list,

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you know, Dairy gets on that 
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A lot of grains even like some 
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buckwheat, you know? 
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pay attention to what the body 
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In fact, one of the most 
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the reasons I went carnivore is 
when I worked with that doctor. 

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The first time he ran that panel
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I was in flames and he ran it 
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And when he ran it again, my 
cholesterol was also really high

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because I obviously, I was 
inflamed and my body was trying 

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to put out that fire and he was 
like, well, he's like you're a 

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hyper absorber of cholesterol 
and I said tell me how, you know

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that you know like what are you 
looking at on my labs and he 

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goes with your plan, Barrels and
I just kind of like shook my 

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head. 
Like I have no idea what you're 

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talking about. 
So I went home and I started 

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going down the rabbit hole. 
What plant sterols are and their

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plant cholesterol? 
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plant cholesterol. 
It doesn't know what to do with 

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it. 
It just wants it out in the 

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stool. 
It's considered a waste product.

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It's not going to utilize that 
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Well, mine was getting into my 
bloodstream, which was, you 

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know, causing that to flag on my
labs and to him that he thought 

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I was just a hyper absorber. 
And I just absorb a lot of all 

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the cholesterol I eat, 
especially if plant sterols are 

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showing up. 
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my old test, they didn't exist, 
you know, and that was pretty 

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close to when I was eating a 
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So, what changed, what changed 
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my gut that was actually letting
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bloodstream, not that I had some
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That was going to hurt me if I 
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that was part of my reason for 
keeping plants out because I 

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knew they were if they were 
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they weren't supposed to be 
there, they were probably 

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stimulating. 
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Do you keep him out more or less
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those back in? 
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still pretty much carnivore for 
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bring things in, I kind of bring
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into spring here in Erie 
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have ramps and they're like, 
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love them, and they're right in 
my backyard and I go pick them 

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and I make Pino like a nice 
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And I enjoy that very much so. 
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about two weeks in April and 
then they're gone, you know? 

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And so I'll try to work things 
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You know or occasionally like 
strategically if I'm trying to 

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like stimulate immune response I
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feel like veggies purpose you 
know there's all this talk now 

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of like anti-nutrients and like 
oh we got to avoid plans all 

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together and like the way the 
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And I don't knock that, but I 
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to work with the seasons. 
I think, you know, winter is 

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your time of meet of fat of 
fasting of maybe fermented 

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veggies, you know, maybe even 
fermented. 

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It's if we're going to get into 
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going to go back incest really 
and then that's pretty heavy for

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several months and then spring 
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these new growths, there's new 
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veggies when they're very small,
which means they have even more 

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anti-nutrients. 
That means, you know, like 

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essentially they're going to 
stimulate your immune system, 

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which I believe it stimulates a 
detox. 

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And so I think Nature has a way 
of like having these rhythms. 

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Like, yes, you can eat meat 
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you can use, you know, these new
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these bitters, like Dandelion is
common and lots of areas. 

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You know you can eat dandelion 
greens and kind of help your 

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body detox in case. 
Maybe you did pick up like a 

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parasite or something. 
Over the winter heavy months. 

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Now you can clean it out. 
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to look at it. 
I've not been a fan of this 

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total and complete and villain 
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Like I'm pretty much you know 
I'm definitely meat-based and 

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definitely towards the carnivore
Spectrum but I'll have Greens on

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occasion and not to say that you
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But it's weird that there's been
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villain ization towards drinks 
which I don't think is certainly

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No. 
Absolutely not. 

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And I tell people like you can 
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know. 
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apple and I want to say an 
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out the fact that the seeds have
arsenic and you should never eat

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an apple or if I want to say 
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that it has all these nutrients 
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layers like do I actually absorb
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Can my body actually utilize 
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responses in the body? 
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have the ability to look at all 
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multi-dimensional, it has many 
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at ancestral people and they 
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say well they just they got 
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hands on, they would use and 
when I when I do research that's

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not the case. 
You know, when you read the book

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you know, not by bread alone or 
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there up north, you know, 
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he's eating what they eat, you 
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a bear in there. 
No, they don't eat the beat like

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the bear liver. 
Well, why is that? 

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Because they would utilize 
everything that they could get 

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their hands on and livers such 
this superfood. 

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Why wouldn't they just like, eat
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You know, but they did it. 
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if they got some kind of deer 
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there? 
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the liver then. 
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relationship with everything and
it was never Just a whatever I 

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can eat to survive. 
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strategic. 
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year around. 
They would you no respect 

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Nature's rhythms. 
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what, you know, during rut and 
yet they would leave it alone 

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during rot, you know, they want 
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them reproduce. 
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they had food down the road so 
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relationships with everything. 
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know before they like harvested 
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they need so they didn't wipe it
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almost give to Go as and thanks,
you know, they would talk to the

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plant, which, I mean, how many 
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plant grows more with like love 
and like light words and care, 

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you know? 
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they were instinctual or they 
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we have lost touch with like all
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Do you think we're regaining 
that touch or does it just seem?

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Because it seems like the people
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know like the people that have 
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you know, regenerative 
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you know, low carb diet minimal 
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definitely more in that realm. 
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a subset of the whole 
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probably getting further and 
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that connection with the food 
that were consuming. 

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Yeah. 
We definitely have both aspects.

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We have people that aren't in 
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people that are trying, but they
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they're not willing to like look
outside of that box. 

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Like when you read something 
like this, that was basis. 

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The basis of it was just a study
you Just to learn why this 

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worked for these people. 
There was no gain from it, you 

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know, like in the fat of the 
land, he was just he was up 

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there researching and, you know,
like just the things that they 

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ate were were not pretty, you 
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don't know that, that's a good 
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So even those of us who are 
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ancestors did, we want to mimic 
the parts that like fit our box?

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We're not out there like eating 
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eating are fermented greens from
like their gut. 

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It sounds terrible it. 
Sounds nasty. 

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We're not eating like high meat 
which is fermented you know God 

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forbid that could just probably 
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still missing some of it, but 
I'm hoping that as time goes on 

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that, maybe we start reaching 
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reaching out to, you know, maybe
the indigenous and rebuilding 

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those relationships and even, 
they need help rebuilding their 

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past because we wipe that out 
for them to, you know, if you've

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ever visited a reservation and 
you see, you know, there's like 

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advertisements for Friday. 
Ed and there's advertisements 

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for all this like white cultured
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cheap and just you know because 
basically wiped out the bison 

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and they would starve to death, 
you know, but like they've 

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they've lost their roots to and 
there's a lot of them trying to 

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dig it up as well and I think we
if we all work together and 

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maybe we could really get 
somewhere with some of it but 

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others, an awesome study with 
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someone of my Heritage. 
I'm obviously very white, but I 

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did have a great grandfather who
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Just because it resonates with 
me. 

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But they, they did research 
about putting their people on 

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their traditional food and what 
disease is it was turning around

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like things like diabetes that 
they seem to be genetically 

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prone to and it was having great
results. 

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But unfortunately the world took
a turn in 2020 and the study got

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stalled but the results they had
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And what was it? 
Typical diet of this rezoning 

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in, you know without without 
White man's influence. 

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Yeah, so it had a lot of 
different foods. 

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I mean they, of course, had some
seeds. 

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they did try out and perch 
basically all year round, salmon

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was like from July to October 
deer moose elk. 

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They ate those all year, except 
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kind of Seasons with it was like
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April and then you know, like in
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showed like herbs coming up, you
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about the sprouts and stuff. 
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Bitterroot, which if, you know 
anything about greens, better is

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supposed to definitely be good 
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parasites. 
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prize. 
I haven't made it out there to 

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try it yet but the invites 
there. 

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So one of these years I'll be 
flying out there to give that a 

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go. 
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eat kind of in the spring. 
So like, you know, that spring 

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lamb tradition, you know, like 
that makes sense from like, an 

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ancestral approach to, you know,
this the ancestor eating is very

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intriguing. 
To be like my first Passion was,

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is Native American history. 
So I was diving into a lot of 

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the, the Plains Indians cultures
and you specifically like, the 

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Sioux Lakota. 
And, you know, some of the stuff

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that course they were obviously 
following the Buffalo herds and 

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what not, and what they would be
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the Buffalo is nothing short of 
amazing. 

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And I feel like people, like for
me, one of my biggest 

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frustrations just waste, like, 
just waste, like people, throw 

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away so much food, they get poor
quality food and they throw it 

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all away. 
And it's unfortunate because if 

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people just simply ate what was 
on their plate but it'd be all 

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Quality Foods. 
We probably wouldn't see 

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ourselves in the health epidemic
that we now face. 

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Yeah, we're very wasteful 
people, you know? 

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argument when people talk about 

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like, you know, animals 
destroying the earth, I mean, 

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you can get into like how they 
benefit the soil, and the root 

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growth and erosion. 
And, you know, the carbon and 

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and all that. 
But really what it was is 

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nothing was wasted, you know, 
whether it was fed to the dogs, 

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whether it was used for clothing
whether you know the bones were 

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used for weapons or you know, 
like clothing as well. 

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You can use them for buttons and
stuff like that they literally 

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tried to only take what they 
need. 

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And use all of it. 
And I think that's respectful. 

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I think that's also respecting 
life. 

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They didn't go out and just take
something because they could and

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that is a very like, us cultural
thing. 

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You know, like I'm just going to
have everything I want and I 

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don't care what the 
consequences, but I feel like 

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it's still not well known 
enough. 

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That, that the animals can 
really go so much further than, 

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you know, some of the stuff that
they're trying to say is 

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regenerative these days, you 
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and stuff like that. 
What do you think? 

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I use is the closest thing. 
We've come to returning to these

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natural roots in the modern day 
and age. 

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Like what do you thinks? 
The closest that we've gotten 

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this far? 
Is it the this movement towards 

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regenerative agriculture that 
we're seeing take up in some of 

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these, you know, like beef 
cattle Industries like like why 

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do pastures what they're doing? 
Yeah, I definitely think the 

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regenerative barmes are really 
pushing the movement. 

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I think they're really pushing 
back as to what the truth is of 

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like how raising these animals 
properly and in their 

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environment, can mean as far as 
nutrition, Intensity is far as 

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impact on the earth. 
I think it's absolutely amazing.

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And I think like I think the 
biggest hurt or like the biggest

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thing that I really just felt 
like opened my eyes that I think

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is starting to open up a lot of 
other people's eyes is like the 

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fact that protein has nutrients 
like, it sounds so simple. 

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When I say it now because I know
what I know but growing up, 

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like, we'd go to and health 
class and they'd be like, well, 

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you eat meat for protein and you
didn't realize that like things 

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like liver had the vitamin A 
that's bioavailable and easily 

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absorbed and doesn't need. 
Verted and, you know, like 

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things like that, you didn't 
realize that me actually had a 

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nutrient profile, you know, like
micronutrients in the whole 

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thing. 
So I think that's a start. 

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I think, you know, people 
learning like that. 

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They need nutrients. 
And the fact that sickness is 

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showing up on everybody's door a
lot quicker than we'd like it 

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to, you know, I feel like it 
gets younger and younger, 

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especially, you know, with me 
doing ultrasound. 

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I and I can scan people and I 
can look at things like their 

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liver and our livers, our main 
detox organ. 

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You know, it definitely has a 
role Quality of life but the 

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burden we put on it from you 
know our current environment. 

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You know like living in these 
artificial caves made out of 

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plastics and artificial 
materials from the artificial 

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Foods you know over the 
vegetable oils and all the 

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additives there as really taxing
our liver and then you layer in 

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all these medications, you know,
like they put these young girls 

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on birth control and it, you 
know, if you read the pamphlet, 

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it says right on there that it 
can cause adverse affects the 

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liver and the gallbladder, but 
you'll never hear a doctor say 

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it. 
And I can honestly say I've been

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doing that for done ultrasound 
now for probably close to 15 

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years and never once heard him 
like give that disclaimer and 

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these livers are fatty but I'll 
see it as young as a 13 

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year-old. 
I think we're at a point now 

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where we have more non-alcoholic
fatty liver cirrhosis, then we 

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do alcoholic cirrhosis and 
people's doctors aren't telling 

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them that they have fatty liver 
either, that it's going to lead 

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to cirrhosis. 
And all they do is say they're 

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going to watch it and it's 
definitely one of the things I 

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had at 27 and Ultrasound. 
I could literally see it turn 

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around and three months with 
proper nutrition. 

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Yeah, that, that is while it's 
wound that people don't like the

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general public. 
That does not really, it's 

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interesting. 
They Don't Really connect the 

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dots to recognize that the food 
that they're consuming have a 

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direct effect on overall bodily 
function in the health of their 

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organs. 
Like that, that's a strange 

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disconnect. 
Like they know they need to eat 

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healthy in those say that their 
doctor tell them some super high

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level generic advice that you 
eat healthy, you know, eat the 

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food group Yada yada yada but 
like they just have a hard time 

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00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:23,300
grasping that simple fact that 
you can literally turn your 

446
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:26,000
health around in a very very 
short period of time over the 

447
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,600
grand scheme of a Lifetime by 
just simply eating the right 

448
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,700
Foods. 
Yeah. 

449
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:33,900
And I think people are afraid to
have been wrong for so long I 

450
00:21:33,908 --> 00:21:36,200
hate to say that but it's like 
you know, as a kid you're told 

451
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,500
to like eat your veggies like 
that was the most important 

452
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,500
thing on your plate and then you
know like as an adult when you 

453
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,000
finally have that realization 
like maybe that's not the most 

454
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,400
important thing on my plate and 
then you go to share that news 

455
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,800
and someone else is looking at 
you sideways. 

456
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,900
Like you're crazy, it's like 
sometimes we almost have to 

457
00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:54,400
unlearn things that we thought 
were truth to really develop 

458
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,400
that truth. 
And honestly, I tell people all 

459
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,200
the time, you're not going to 
know until you do it. 

460
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,000
You know, you're not going to 
see what's on the other side. 

461
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,400
You're not going to know what 
good feels like and so you just 

462
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,700
try it for yourself because if 
somebody would have told me that

463
00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:10,100
like my overweight, you know, my
unmotivated inflamed childhood, 

464
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:11,500
you know, that I didn't even 
know was a thing. 

465
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:13,800
That's just how I always felt, 
you know, I was always tired, I 

466
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,300
always needed 10 hours of sleep.
My mom would always call me lazy

467
00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:19,200
and unmotivated. 
Dated and I didn't know why I 

468
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,100
was that way. 
I was just I really just didn't 

469
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:23,800
feel good I guess. 
But I couldn't say that right 

470
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,400
who doesn't feel good every day 
that wouldn't be something that 

471
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,700
like an adult would believe and 
then I change the way I eat and 

472
00:22:29,708 --> 00:22:33,600
I'm on the other side and I have
energy and I'm up at 7 a.m. and 

473
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,500
bubbly and I'm in a good mood 
all the time and I'm like, who's

474
00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:38,300
this person? 
You know like food. 

475
00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,200
Did that like food brought me to
this you know and no one else is

476
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,000
going to understand that until 
they cross that bridge 

477
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200
themselves, I feel like totally 
from an inflammation standpoint 

478
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,800
you know, we all hear that 
ketones are Anti-inflammatory 

479
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,600
the ketogenic diet is 
anti-inflammatory, but from a 

480
00:22:51,608 --> 00:22:54,700
mechanistic standpoint, what is 
actually happening at the 

481
00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,900
cellular level. 
In your words as to why this way

482
00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:59,700
of eating is so 
anti-inflammatory. 

483
00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:04,200
I think it's just because it's 
the easiest to digest foods. 

484
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,700
I mean I think that's a lot of 
it. 

485
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:07,800
You know, you get your meat and 
your protein which is what 

486
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,000
you're going to focus on. 
When you go low carb, what's 

487
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,100
going to make those ketones? 
I mean, yeah. 

488
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:14,500
Ketones himself lower 
inflammation, but I think the 

489
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:17,700
fact that you've just eliminated
almost every inflammatory food, 

490
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:21,300
Group, your grains are gone, 
some people keep the Darian, but

491
00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:23,500
I think a lot of people see more
benefits when they take those 

492
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,700
out and I think like the higher 
fat, you know, the higher fat 

493
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:30,100
going in there and just soothing
that inflammation, you know, is 

494
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:33,100
really nice as well. 
I think that creates a lot of, 

495
00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:36,300
like, feel good in the body and 
just the fact that you can get 

496
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,000
those ketones to the brain 
directly in a lot of things, 

497
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,400
don't cross that, like 
blood-brain barrier. 

498
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:45,000
That just all in all, you know, 
it's everything working 

499
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,400
together. 
I don't think it's just the 

500
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,900
ketones because I think in the 
summer, even when I'm like, you 

501
00:23:49,908 --> 00:23:52,700
know, picking berries off the 
bush and my backyard, you know, 

502
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,700
by the woods that I still feel 
great, you know? 

503
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,600
And obviously there's some sugar
and I'm going to go out of 

504
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,600
ketosis for a while, but I think
at the end of the day, metabolic

505
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,000
flexibility is kind of the goal.
You don't want to get stuck in 

506
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,100
ketosis forever and I don't 
think you want to get stuck in 

507
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,800
high carb forever either. 
I think you need to have that 

508
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,900
availability to go back and 
forth. 

509
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:15,200
Do you think there's any adverse
long-term effects for being in 

510
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,200
ketosis? 
Long time. 

511
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,000
I've heard rumors that like you 
have the opposite effect, you 

512
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,500
know we're like you have the 
insulin sensitivity, you know, 

513
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:29,500
or insulin resistance, you can 
develop insulin sensitivity. 

514
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,800
So you can kind of like then 
when you do have carbs, your 

515
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,000
body doesn't kind of know what 
to do with them. 

516
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:38,600
But I haven't seen it firsthand.
Like I said, because I go months

517
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,600
with keto, and then have a 
little bit of things, I don't 

518
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,000
feel like, I'm like, wired, I 
don't feel like, I'm tired. 

519
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,500
I don't feel like I'm inflamed 
and Anyway, so I guess the 

520
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:51,800
jury's still out on that one of 
whether it's, you know. 

521
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,700
Okay long-term but for me, I 
think the safest bet is like I 

522
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:57,300
think he do. 
I think carnivore. 

523
00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,900
I think all those things are 
really great to biohack when 

524
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:02,800
you're sick, which a lot of us 
are, it's a great place to 

525
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,800
start. 
I think you can do it for many 

526
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,400
years and be fine. 
But then, you know, I think 

527
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,600
there comes a point where, like,
if you feel like you've healed, 

528
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,300
and you've reached all your 
goals, that you can kind of 

529
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,800
stretch back out and maybe lean 
into seasonal eating Maybe lean 

530
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,600
into that more ancestral 
approach, you know? 

531
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,500
Like, I think it's, I think we 
have the knowledge where we know

532
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:25,000
everything, right? 
Like, we think we do anyway, but

533
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,400
like we have bits and pieces of 
everything where we should be 

534
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,900
able to like bio bio hack our 
way to like perfect health, you 

535
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,200
know. 
So I don't think that it's a bad

536
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,500
thing that you go out of the 
seasonal, eating and like 

537
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:38,900
biohack yourself and do 
carnivores so you can lower 

538
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,800
inflammation enough to heal and 
then kind of go back to some 

539
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,300
seasonal, eating once you feel 
like you've done, what you need 

540
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,400
to do and cleared things. 
From the body that you need to 

541
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,500
clear? 
Yeah, yeah, when it comes to 

542
00:25:49,508 --> 00:25:51,700
like the insulin resistance 
argument, I feel like that's 

543
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:54,900
mostly like people point to that
and they're typically talking 

544
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,500
about physiological insulin 
resistance, as opposed to, you 

545
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:00,300
know, pathological instant 
Assistance or I've heard it 

546
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:02,700
termed as adaptive glucose 
sparing. 

547
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,100
If you notice like higher 
Baseline blood glucose with 

548
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,800
long-term, ketogenic diet, 
without bringing back in the 

549
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,000
carbs, but if you were to bring 
back in the carbs, 

550
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,200
intermittently your body, just 
simply up, regulates those 

551
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000
metabolic pathways. 
So it's not like a Actual path. 

552
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,100
All pathological issue. 
Yeah, I think of you can go 

553
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:24,200
like, where your high card for 
like your entire life, you know.

554
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,100
Like I had 26 years of being 
high carb and then go low carb, 

555
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,800
you know, I like I feel like 
your body knows how to adjust 

556
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,300
that. 
I think it does in multitude of 

557
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,500
ways, you know, like everybody 
hangs their hat on fiber 

558
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:40,000
because, you know, they're, 
they're told that it's good for 

559
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,900
you and you need it for your gut
bacteria, but they're short 

560
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:46,100
chain fatty acids that 
transition, when you eat more 

561
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,200
low-carb, high-fat, like in the 
winter. 

562
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,700
And I think Again, like your 
body knows how to adjust to 

563
00:26:51,708 --> 00:26:54,000
these things, and maybe you have
like a hiccup while you're 

564
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,300
adjusting, you know, maybe 
there's like a couple days where

565
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,000
your body's like, what's going 
on, you know, and but it's going

566
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,800
to adjust. 
I think it's going to find 

567
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,600
balance because at the end of 
the day that's your body's job 

568
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,200
like that since automatic 
process there is just two this 

569
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,600
is going on and I'll figure it 
out kind of thing. 

570
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,900
So I don't think that there's 
any long-term effects. 

571
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,000
I think your body will figure it
out. 

572
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:17,300
Yeah, for sure when it comes to 
incorporating more fruits and 

573
00:27:17,308 --> 00:27:20,200
vegetables throughout different 
times of the year, You know, a 

574
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,500
lot of people say, you know, you
gotta have fruit when they're in

575
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:26,700
season, but if you look at what 
fruit is today, it kind of pales

576
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,500
in comparison with fruit look 
like 500 years ago. 

577
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Is there that what's your take 
on? 

578
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800
All that like fruit? 
Having been so genetically 

579
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,000
modified in modern times like 
it's not even the same thing 

580
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,800
that we had been consuming as a 
species in the in the distant 

581
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,300
past not-too-distant past 
honestly. 

582
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,500
So like are we even able to 
categorize that in the same 

583
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,600
group? 
I definitely agree. 

584
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,700
It's definitely not the same 
stuff, you know, like I love 

585
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,100
pulling the studies where I'm 
like, oh this is what corn used 

586
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,500
to look like it was almost a 
grass, you know what I mean? 

587
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,900
Like I love breaking people's 
paradigms of like all this food 

588
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:04,700
is good for me because, you 
know, it's a vegetable on my own

589
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:06,000
so it's really not what it used 
to be. 

590
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,900
It's mostly sugar now and it 
lost all the fiber and really 

591
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,400
you wanted enjoy corn. 
If you ate at years ago because 

592
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,200
it probably just was like gritty
and like gross, I pulled Roots 

593
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,800
out or I told kids, I'm like, 
this is root veggies. 

594
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,400
Like, do you want to know on 
this for a while? 

595
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,900
It does that sound appetizing to
you just to kind of break their 

596
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:26,000
Paradigm that like some of the 
things we see in the store, you 

597
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,400
know, they're made pretty, 
they're not what they used to 

598
00:28:28,408 --> 00:28:30,700
be. 
And like I think I've even heard

599
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,100
things like Ben Greenfield 
talking about blueberries and 

600
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,500
when you get wild blueberries, 
that grow in nature, they're 

601
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,000
smaller. 
So the antioxidants are supposed

602
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,300
to be great in them. 
Are going to be in the skin and 

603
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,100
you're going to eat more of them
and get more skin if they're 

604
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,300
smaller than versus if they're 
big and then you're getting 

605
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,100
more. 
GE and you're getting more water

606
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,400
and like, you know, so I 
definitely try to stick with 

607
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000
what's in my like vicinity and 
I'm lucky enough to live on 10 

608
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,400
acres. 
So I'm lucky enough to also have

609
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,600
another additional 20 acres of 
woods behind me. 

610
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,100
And so like my berries have been
growing there for years or like 

611
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:06,400
my apple tree was like my great 
grandfather's and like not I 

612
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,700
don't spray anything with 
pesticides and so like I know 

613
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,400
where it came from because I 
think to of you're going to 

614
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,500
introduce these fruits and 
veggies, you have to be mindful 

615
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,600
of the environment in which 
they're grown, and what they're 

616
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,400
Sprayed with. 
And you know, even if one Farm 

617
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,500
is controlling everything that 
they're growing, you can't say 

618
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,100
that the farm next door isn't 
spraying. 

619
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:25,800
There's and that's not crossing 
over. 

620
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,600
I mean, are is one of our 
biggest exposures to a lot of 

621
00:29:29,608 --> 00:29:33,400
toxins air and water. 
And, you know, just our everyday

622
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,200
things. 
Yeah, that is very tricky. 

623
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,800
I feel like the started going 
down the rabbit hole of just 

624
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,300
removing toxins from a life, 
removing all the xenoestrogens, 

625
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:45,000
the phyto estrogens. 
And it's like when you start 

626
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
going down that rabbit hole, I 
mean you pretty much Have to go 

627
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,100
through your entire house and 
throw everything away and start 

628
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:52,400
fresh. 
Um, yeah, I had to throw my 

629
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,400
whole house away, basically, 
because of the mole, we actually

630
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,600
just didn't read mediation this 
year because my house ended up 

631
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,800
re bringing them old back for 
me, which was lovely, but I 

632
00:30:02,808 --> 00:30:05,400
didn't fix the root cause so as 
my fault, I guess. 

633
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,700
But yeah, I kind of went and I'm
looking at all my stuff and I'm 

634
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,500
going to buy a new mattress and 
before, you know, ten years ago,

635
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,800
when I probably got a mattress, 
I didn't really think anything 

636
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,000
about it. 
And now I'm like, okay well I 

637
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200
want to go natural like I, you 
know, I want the Most cleanest, 

638
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,600
you know, like wool cotton like 
and then you start looking at 

639
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,400
what a natural mattress cost and
you're like, oh my God, it's 

640
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,900
like anywhere from like 1500 to 
3000 dollars for a mattress 

641
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:34,800
which would have been the way 
they would have made it back in 

642
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000
the day. 
But now that there's emphasis on

643
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,200
natural is better. 
It's like a trillion times the 

644
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,800
cost to what it used to be. 
I feel like, I feel like I'm 

645
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,600
chips that I have to pay extra 
for everything that's natural 

646
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,800
and like the way nature provided
these days, he's going to make 

647
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
it yourself. 
If I go back here, plug into 

648
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,500
your local community, find your 
local mattress maker and then 

649
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:56,800
just barter with them. 
Give them like a chicken or two.

650
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,400
Yeah, yeah I actually you know, 
working in functional medicine, 

651
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,500
I work for dr. 
Will Cole and I'm one of his 

652
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:07,100
practitioners and yeah. 
I keep telling him. 

653
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,100
I was like the next stage of our
practice is to just find land 

654
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,900
and all of us come together and 
like we all have our roles and 

655
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,600
we have like this community. 
So for people that are sick, 

656
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,900
then come join our community for
a while and like just heal and 

657
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,500
like Like you know like cuz I 
think we would I think we do 

658
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,400
awesome at that. 
I think we all have like special

659
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,300
skills. 
I think we would really like 

660
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,900
really have a thing going there 
where somebody could go and heal

661
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:31,800
and we'd already have everything
in place, right? 

662
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,700
Like the, you know, somebody who
sews and somebody who cooks and 

663
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:39,700
somebody who grows and you know,
builds with our hands because I 

664
00:31:39,708 --> 00:31:42,300
mean like honestly like that's 
got to be like the best workout 

665
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,900
ever is moving things with your 
whole body. 

666
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,200
You know, not that lifting 
weights doesn't have a purpose 

667
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,900
and you can't do it, but like 
those whole-body movements, 

668
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:53,100
Primarily a line was me as well.
Yeah. 

669
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,200
And I feel like that I mean 
there's so much more desire for 

670
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,900
that. 
If like people whether they even

671
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:02,200
recognize it or not, I feel like
there's subconscious yearns for 

672
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,700
that sense of just community and
true relationships that we've 

673
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:10,400
gotten so far away from that in 
recent times like the, the 

674
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,200
appeal, the Allure, the the 
abstract beauty of just sitting 

675
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,700
around a campfire and talking 
with people face to face as 

676
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,000
opposed to an Instagram DM or 
over a zoom call. 

677
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,000
All like I don't want us to lose
that because there's so much 

678
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,200
value in that, but I feel like 
people have been away from that 

679
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,600
for so long that when they do 
experience it they're just drawn

680
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,500
to it like a moth to a flame. 
So I think there's definitely a 

681
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:35,900
push for that pitch to be 
scratched going forward. 

682
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,800
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

683
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,800
We've kind of done ourselves in.
I say humans. 

684
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Like humans try to like best 
nature and nature best Us in the

685
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800
end, you know, whether we're 
talking the Killer Bees or like,

686
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,400
you know, trying to make food in
a lab like all But you know, but

687
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,100
the worst thing I think out of 
all of it is this hyper 

688
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:55,800
independent. 
So, you know, I can do anything 

689
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,700
myself, I can do anything that 
anybody else can do, but when 

690
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:00,800
you're doing that, you're 
putting the whole world on your 

691
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,000
shoulders, right? 
I mean, when I hold tension, 

692
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,700
it's always in my neck and in my
shoulders and that's because I'm

693
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,200
holding the world on my 
shoulders. 

694
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,500
And I'm a single mother of three
boys. 

695
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,700
And I been one a single mother 
of three boys for nine years. 

696
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,100
So I have to, like, almost go 
out of my feminine role because 

697
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,800
I'm a nurturer. 
I'm a Healer. 

698
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,000
I, that is me to my core that is
when I'm happy as that's when I 

699
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,500
glow from the inside. 
But I have to, I have to work a 

700
00:33:25,508 --> 00:33:27,600
job. 
I have to maintain my acreage. 

701
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,000
I have to raise these boys. 
I have to be the soft hand. 

702
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000
The hard hand do, you know, 
like, it's not fun. 

703
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:35,000
It's they like it's, yeah, I did
it. 

704
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,100
Like, I'm doing it, like, it's 
great, but like, I'd give 

705
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:42,400
anything to have a community, 
I'd give anything to, you know, 

706
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,300
like have that kind of support 
so that I could just breathe or 

707
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:50,000
maybe, you know, play a game or 
just like, you know, distressing

708
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,900
You know, go out and go for a 
walk in nature and just take it 

709
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:57,200
all in and people in the past 
our ancestral friends, they had 

710
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,300
that, you know, they had 
somebody and that gives you like

711
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,700
a sense of purpose, right? 
It's not like, oh, I'm failing 

712
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,600
at 15 things. 
No, it's I thrive at this one 

713
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,500
thing and because I thrive at 
this one thing, all the people 

714
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,400
in my community benefit from it,
all these people, you know, they

715
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,000
see the value in me because I 
can provide something that I'm 

716
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,900
best at and I'm not trying to be
best at everything, you know. 

717
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:20,000
And I think that's so beautiful,
I think. 

718
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,600
We all have special talents. 
We all have things that were 

719
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,100
great at and it Community kind 
of just takes the best of each 

720
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:29,000
person and meld it together and 
the weights distributed and 

721
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
there's so much stronger because
of it. 

722
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,000
Yeah, I mean, there's certainly 
hardships back when that was, 

723
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,100
you know, everybody's 
livelihood. 

724
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:38,100
But I mean, look back on it to 
like the people that were in 

725
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,100
those tribal communities that 
were just totally 

726
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,600
self-sufficient amongst the 
community of themselves. 

727
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,100
It's like they were just happy 
that they had very little 

728
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,600
physical possessions but they 
had everything they needed. 

729
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,400
We're just always happy like 
they didn't have that much 

730
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,100
stress. 
I didn't have to worry about 

731
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,900
their bank account or their 
mortgage payment, like everybody

732
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,800
was able to just, you know, work
cohesively. 

733
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,700
And everybody was able to be 
just fine, right? 

734
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:06,900
Like you had food was a goal, 
shelter was a goal, you know, 

735
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,700
maybe healing yourself but there
were even things in place for 

736
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,300
that you know like sweat lodges 
that were Community done and 

737
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,600
stuff like that and a medicine 
doctor who specialized in 

738
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,400
healing was plans and using them
strategically, which I really 

739
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,900
think is plan. 
Its main purpose. 

740
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:24,500
But yeah, and they played my 
friend Ste Lane. 

741
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:29,100
He's also a primal health coach.
We went to a retreat years ago 

742
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:33,600
and he was like, 2019, maybe. 
And he teaches people to play 

743
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,700
again, you know? 
And it's something silly, like, 

744
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,900
Dodge the stick, right? 
And he'll swing it low. 

745
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,500
And you jump over, it'll swing 
high and you kind of Matrix 

746
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,000
back, you know, but like 
everybody was laughing, 

747
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,700
everybody was happy and it was 
just like, you know, tribes did.

748
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,000
Prioritize play it wasn't all 
just like work shelter. 

749
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,600
They did spend time just being 
and I think that's a beautiful 

750
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,100
thing and it was a beautiful 
thing that weekend. 

751
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,900
I never came back from a 
vacation so refreshed, you know?

752
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,700
And of course, we went to the 
Farmers Market on Sunday and we 

753
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,700
got food and we cook together 
and we ate together. 

754
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:08,000
It was just really a beautiful 
experience all together. 

755
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,100
And if that was everyday life, I
don't know how you could be 

756
00:36:11,107 --> 00:36:12,900
unhappy. 
Yeah, totally green. 

757
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,600
So in your situation personally,
you get the three kids, you 

758
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,100
know, all that, you know about 
nutrition, you get the 10 acres 

759
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,400
that you're trying to take care 
of are of and Homestead, like, 

760
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,100
what is, what is a typical day 
look like for you? 

761
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,800
Like, how have you implemented 
your knowledge towards all these

762
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,800
ancestral? 
You know, Health tenants and 

763
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,400
then integrated that into how 
you're raising your kids. 

764
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,200
How you're structuring your day,
your routine. 

765
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,400
Like how does that look like 
house that manifested for you? 

766
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:41,600
One of the most beautiful things
that I love about the job that I

767
00:36:41,607 --> 00:36:44,800
do is I can wake up with the 
sunrise, you know, like I keep 

768
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,700
the light coming in my windows 
and Sun Peaks, I'm usually up 

769
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:49,900
with the sun, there's no alarm 
going off. 

770
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,900
Like I don't start my day 
startled and stressed like I 

771
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:54,600
start to make up, it's time to 
get up. 

772
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,100
It's, you know, time to get 
moving but like, there's no 

773
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,400
hurry. 
I still got like a whole hour 

774
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,600
before my workday even begins 
and I typically get up and I sit

775
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,400
and I enjoy the silence, you 
know, I might read a little bit,

776
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,700
I may just kind of distress a 
little bit and the kids, you 

777
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:11,700
know, they wake up, they usually
make themselves breakfast 

778
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,600
because of course, they still 
have to go to school. 

779
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
We haven't quite breached the, 
let's home school, the children 

780
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,200
and I don't think I can handle. 
Might just that on my plate just

781
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,400
yet. 
And then, you know, I eat when 

782
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
I'm hungry, you know, like, I 
that's again, one of the nice 

783
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200
things about like, working from 
home is like I can sit there and

784
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,200
I'm like, huh. 
I feel like I need some energy 

785
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,800
and go make it and like not have
to, like, eat certain times of 

786
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,000
the day, I usually always have 
my fridge stocked with, like, 

787
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,800
some Staples. 
I usually have some big wild 

788
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,500
salmon. 
I usually have beef, I'm 

789
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:45,500
probably one of the only parents
that like always has stakes in 

790
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:49,000
their fridge and I like my kids,
you know, like don't realize 

791
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,100
like when we were growing up. 
Wasn't a thing, right? 

792
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,100
Like you might get some like 
weird and lean cut of like meat.

793
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,000
That resembles a steak, but you 
didn't have like ribeyes in 

794
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,700
there, you know, especially not 
grass-fed, Ribeyes probably, you

795
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:03,900
know, because when I grew up I 
mean, I think a commercial 

796
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,400
farming, it already kind of 
taken over by then but yeah. 

797
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,500
We kind of we kind of all eat 
that way. 

798
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:13,200
I mean I do make some like 
family meals where like I really

799
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,100
just cook from like scratch and 
from Harper. 

800
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:20,200
A lot of times we just kind of 
eat when we have the time to Cuz

801
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,900
I do have teenage boys at this 
point. 

802
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,700
So they all work and they all 
have friends. 

803
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:25,800
So like sometimes we're coming 
into the house at different 

804
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,300
times but they grabbed the 
cast-iron pan, they cook 

805
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,600
themselves up some food. 
And what I love is that it's 

806
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,300
taken us years to get here, but 
like my kids see what I'm doing 

807
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,300
and they see the results. 
I think I even just showed him a

808
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,900
picture within the last year of 
me, like, right after I had all 

809
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:45,000
three of them, because they were
very close together, and I was 

810
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,400
overweight and they like they 
don't even remember that person.

811
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,900
They don't even recognize her, 
they don't know who she is. 

812
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,500
Um, they've just kind of adapted
and we've had our ups and downs.

813
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:56,000
And a lot of times like in the 
house, I just kind of keep it as

814
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,300
what's here is going to be 
things. 

815
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,500
I approve of you go out of the 
house and you do what you do, 

816
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,000
but this is what I'm bringing 
into the house things that I 

817
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,600
want you to embrace. 
And then it have really no 

818
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,700
argument with that. 
And like, my son went with my 

819
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,200
brother the other day and had 
some McDonald's and he was like,

820
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,900
I figured once I want to be too 
bad, then his face broke out, 

821
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:18,500
and he liked had some digestive 
issues and he was like, now. 

822
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,900
Like I don't want to do that 
again. 

823
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Then like, I don't care to ever 
go there again, you know, so 

824
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,900
they learn by their own and 
ones. 

825
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:28,800
And I think that's probably the 
most, I guess, I don't know. 

826
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,700
My most, like, strategy for 
teaching them is to let them 

827
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:37,300
kind of learn through their own 
mistakes and, and let them learn

828
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,200
from just watching me and what I
do, and why I do it. 

829
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,100
And I just like, I randomly 
like, weird them out. 

830
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,600
I don't even think they're fazed
anymore. 

831
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,100
So like I do things like beef 
tongue and I make that and 

832
00:39:47,107 --> 00:39:49,200
they've seen that in the house 
and they don't like the look of 

833
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,900
it, but they still. 
You know, they Grumble sometimes

834
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:55,800
but what's a male field? 
Yeah. 

835
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,400
And they've seen me heal several
times. 

836
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,400
So they get that and one but 
like the one day I was making, 

837
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,400
so our friend, Mike Bruce taught
me how to make a carnivore 

838
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,300
waffle and you just take like 
ground beef and like an egg and 

839
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,900
you put it in a blender and you 
put it in a waffle maker and it 

840
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,400
kind of works like you can make 
breakfast sandwiches out of it. 

841
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,300
It fills you up like all you 
need is one. 

842
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,400
So I was making it of course you
ground beef in a blender. 

843
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Like that it looks like pink goo
and My kids walk in there. 

844
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Like, what are you doing? 
I was like, oh, I'm like, 

845
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,500
mashing up some worms today, 
we're gonna try this, and 

846
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,700
they're just like, okay, I 
didn't even like, think about 

847
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,900
it. 
No, that's the way to do it. 

848
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:34,900
I mean, I feel like we never 
you, you just simply explain it 

849
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:37,200
to them and they are able to, 
you know, lift to their own 

850
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600
devices. 
Test it out and test against it 

851
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,600
experiment on their own. 
And then if they do eat 

852
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,400
something, they don't respond. 
Well to give them all kinds of 

853
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
GI distress, they break out like
they can put two and two 

854
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,600
together pretty quickly and 
recognize that that's likely the

855
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,800
culprit toward and then not Want
to do it again. 

856
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Yeah, my fear is that, I would 
be too dogmatic or be too pushy 

857
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,100
with my beliefs and they would 
run the other way, right? 

858
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,100
Like, I'd cause like the adverse
thing that I didn't want to 

859
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:04,200
cause. 
So II tried that at first and 

860
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,100
then I kind of just opened up 
the doors and let them kind of 

861
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,200
navigated themselves. 
You know, made him like, kind of

862
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,000
have that adjustment period like
that reset, you know, and then 

863
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,600
here now do what you want to do 
and see what happens. 

864
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,100
And they definitely learned from
that. 

865
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,800
But one of my most favorite 
times is honestly, one of the 

866
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,100
World stopped a couple of years 
ago and everybody stayed home 

867
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,300
and things were shut down and it
was my favorite time for a lot 

868
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,700
of reasons. 
I saw people like outside again,

869
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,700
you know, with their families 
enjoying nature and that was no 

870
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:33,700
different in my house. 
That was probably the most 

871
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:35,900
ancestral. 
We were like, my son was back in

872
00:41:35,908 --> 00:41:38,000
the creek and don't tell The 
Game Commission, but he was 

873
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,200
spearing fish that he was 
bringing them up and we were 

874
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,300
cooking them on the fire and 
like you know that's a learning 

875
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:47,200
thing that he'll never get in 
school you know or just building

876
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,400
a fire from like you know by 
hands and not Anything to start 

877
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,100
it and because we really weren't
sure where the world was going 

878
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,800
and I'm like, you know, we need 
to like, get in touch with 

879
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,700
nature in case. 
Nature is going to be our home. 

880
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,300
Like if we've got to like take 
off like if everything shut down

881
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:05,100
for a long time and you know, 
people start, you know, doing 

882
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:08,700
what they do breaking into 
places and stealing and getting 

883
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,300
scared. 
And, you know, like we need to 

884
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:13,100
go in nature. 
So I had a backpack for each kid

885
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,500
ready to go. 
Like, so if we get a hike and 

886
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:17,800
mountains, you know, like The 
Hammocks to sleep in them. 

887
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,800
Like, I had everything in the 
back of my head. 

888
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,500
Ed planned out for us, to just, 
you know, go live off the land 

889
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,600
because I didn't really know 
where the world was going at 

890
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,000
all, but they learn so much in 
that time period. 

891
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,800
Yeah, that that's awesome. 
Do you feel like the pandemic 

892
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,000
that was the past few years was 
enough of a catalyst to get 

893
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,300
people more motivated to getting
on top of their health and fall 

894
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:42,600
a right nutritional protocol and
just get more active, or do you 

895
00:42:42,607 --> 00:42:47,900
think it even made a dent? 
I feel like it started to, but 

896
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:51,200
I'm hoping that it continues to 
at least For some people to 

897
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,300
snowball and just keep growing 
and like, keep getting bigger, 

898
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,000
but I know sometimes humans as 
soon as they can go back to 

899
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,800
their old ways, they do if they 
didn't have enough of an 

900
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,100
experience to change them, but I
hope it changed a lot. 

901
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,500
I mean, I can't, I think it's 
too soon to tell. 

902
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,700
I feel like we're still living 
it in some levels. 

903
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,200
I mean, he even working in the 
hospital. 

904
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,700
I still have to wear a mask, so 
it hasn't quite gone away yet. 

905
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,000
But everything's open again. 
It's like dead people. 

906
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Forget how everything was 
closing and They couldn't find 

907
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,000
things in the store they needed 
and you know, like I don't know.

908
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
I hope that it did but I'm not 
100% convinced that it did on a 

909
00:43:28,008 --> 00:43:31,300
big enough scale yet. 
Yeah what do you think is going 

910
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:35,600
to be the primary driver for us 
on the larger scale to just 

911
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,300
simply get back on the right 
trajectory from a health and 

912
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:41,500
nutrition standpoint. 
I do think I've talked to 

913
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,200
several people about this and I 
definitely think it's going to 

914
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,900
have to come you know, 
Grassroots organically from the 

915
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:49,000
ground up as opposed to 
governmentally mandated from the

916
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,900
top down. 
But I don't know if we are 

917
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:53,600
building more momentum within or
not. 

918
00:43:53,600 --> 00:44:00,000
I hope that people like you and 
myself can can keep spreading 

919
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,300
the word I think that's what's 
going to spread it? 

920
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,800
I don't think the higher-ups are
going to come behind and just 

921
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,700
change all their viewpoints on 
things. 

922
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:10,200
I think, as much as I hate to 
say it, I'm almost afraid that 

923
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,200
they benefit from us being sick.
So I don't think there's a money

924
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,000
motivator behind letting people 
reset. 

925
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,800
So I think it's going to have to
come from people that have been 

926
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,600
sick and healed and to keep 
talking. 

927
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:23,000
About it and keep spreading it. 
So that other people be like why

928
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,200
won't that too and maybe try it 
you know maybe reach out and 

929
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,000
hopefully we spread like a good 
virus, you know what I mean? 

930
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,800
Like we're just start opening up
people's minds and I think that 

931
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,600
we the people are going to have 
to change it. 

932
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,000
The nobody's going to come down 
and say we were wrong and these 

933
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,900
are the new rules and you should
do these things. 

934
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,900
I mean, in fact, if anything I, 
you know, from some of the 

935
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,300
higher influencers that I know 
people were getting their post 

936
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,700
blocked any time that they 
mentioned food was doing good 

937
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,800
things for them. 
I wasn't that big enough on the 

938
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,400
Our that it happened to me, but 
I've seen whole accounts getting

939
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,800
wiped out. 
So hopefully we just get to 

940
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,500
continue to spread the word and 
so that more people can hear 

941
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:01,400
about, you know, that there are 
answers outside standard 

942
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
medicine. 
There are you know that food 

943
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,100
does play a role in your health 
and that yeah that they start 

944
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,100
you know going down that path 
for themselves. 

945
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,200
Totally green apart from the 
food like you can of the food 

946
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,300
down in perfect. 
Like you like you had yet, you 

947
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,600
still have the issue with the 
mold for. 

948
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:22,500
Since that's not that mold is 
something that I feel like a lot

949
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,100
of people may be dealing with 
but they don't really know how 

950
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:27,900
to pinpoint. 
So, like for you, how did you 

951
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
pull the curtain back on that 
and kind of figure out what it 

952
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,700
was and how to fix it? 
I did have some like increase in

953
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:36,400
symptoms. 
So the first time I didn't 

954
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,600
really think mold was my 
problem. 

955
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,900
I probably hung my hat on the C 
diff and the parasite kind of 

956
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,100
thing. 
But at the same time I saw mold 

957
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:48,100
and my kids bathroom and there 
were spots and so I called the 

958
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:52,200
mold guy and he goes no. 
Because that's condensation mold

959
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,500
he's like, this is coming from 
your attic, there's humidity in 

960
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,800
your attic. 
And so he went up there and he 

961
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,400
thought he adjusted the 
ventilation. 

962
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,900
But the reason why my attic was 
humid, was actually a roof leak 

963
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:04,000
and that's why it came back 
years later, but he cleaned the 

964
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,700
mold all in the front of my 
attic. 

965
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:09,100
And when he cleaned that mold, I
didn't know well enough, then 

966
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:10,600
that I should be out of that 
house, right? 

967
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,800
Because I didn't really think 
that that was causing any of my 

968
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,700
symptoms, but I wasn't sure like
I was kind of back and forth 

969
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:18,900
with it because I was getting 
episodes of shortness of breath,

970
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,200
but it was in 2012. 
Auntie, like, did I have, you 

971
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,500
know, the, you know, the flu 
that was going around. 

972
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,400
I didn't know. 
I like, you know, was it the 

973
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,200
mold? 
So I kind of just, you know, 

974
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,200
played it off. 
But I was getting, like, 

975
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,600
neuropathy in my feet. 
You know, just got not even like

976
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,200
bad, just like tingling in the 
evening. 

977
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,800
Like you could just tell things 
were out of balance, but the 

978
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,700
shortness of breath was probably
the scariest and that tend to go

979
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:42,400
away. 
And I did a three-month protocol

980
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400
which probably helped clear a 
lot of things. 

981
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:48,200
And then, you know, two years 
later, you know, like we get 

982
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,300
into 2022. 
And the the shortness of breath 

983
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,700
was coming back. 
The weird feeling in my feet was

984
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:56,700
coming back. 
This time, I had migraines and I

985
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,000
just started like looking for 
the mold at that point. 

986
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,100
I was like, okay, where is it? 
You know, like but now I was, 

987
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:05,800
you know, working in functional 
medicine, I had that knowledge 

988
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,200
but in the clinic we're seeing 
it in, probably a good 95% of 

989
00:47:11,207 --> 00:47:14,500
people were testing. 
And whether that's, you know, 

990
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,800
because everybody spent so much 
time indoors for a couple years 

991
00:47:17,808 --> 00:47:19,900
and their homes because they 
weren't going out. 

992
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,400
Out as much whether that's 
because our detox pathways are 

993
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,700
getting so blocked from like all
the environmental toxins and our

994
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,200
environment, our food and all 
that, or livers, just not able 

995
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,300
to clear it because they say, 
like, 30% of people had like an 

996
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:35,700
HL 0 HL. 
A gene, which is basically their

997
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:38,300
body not being able to identify 
mold as a threat. 

998
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:41,800
So they have trouble clearing it
but yet I've got 95 percent of 

999
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,100
people that have super high 
levels of mycotoxins in their 

1000
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:48,100
urine and have symptoms of like 
that affecting them. 

1001
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,100
So what I'm thinking it is, The 
impaired detox, it's the fact 

1002
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,400
that, you know, the way we're 
building our homes to because 

1003
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,600
there they try to make them so 
energy-efficient that they over 

1004
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,900
insulate, these homes and then 
they can't breathe. 

1005
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:03,600
There's not enough air flow like
one of the area's I found mold 

1006
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,200
while I was digging around the 
house. 

1007
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,100
As I pulled down some drywall 
and I pulled down the 

1008
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,500
insulation, it was on the inside
of the OSB and that's in. 

1009
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,600
It wasn't like it. 
Rotted through from the outside 

1010
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,300
in that was from the house 
wedding because it didn't have 

1011
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:18,100
proper airflow. 
And then you go to look into 

1012
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:20,700
HRV. 
So a lot of these Newer homes or

1013
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:22,100
the culprit. 
But then you've got old 

1014
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,800
basements, but at least the 
1900s home, always had like a 

1015
00:48:24,808 --> 00:48:27,400
draft, right? 
Like you had like some kind of 

1016
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,300
airflow but now it's so airtight
that it's just like a burden on 

1017
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:32,400
the body. 
It's just too much. 

1018
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,100
A nature has a way to deal with 
mold mold is everywhere. 

1019
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:36,800
Like you're not going to avoid 
it. 

1020
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,800
There's no sense in becoming 
like scared of it per se, but we

1021
00:48:40,808 --> 00:48:43,300
need to be mindful that it 
actually really can make us 

1022
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:45,600
sick. 
So for people listening like 

1023
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,500
when what are some common 
symptoms? 

1024
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:51,000
Like if you have any type of you
know, I'm old and peppermint 

1025
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,900
that's typically going to 
manifest itself in what way. 

1026
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,900
Like lab work. 
I usually always see low iron, 

1027
00:48:58,100 --> 00:48:59,500
not that. 
That means every time you have 

1028
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:01,900
low iron, you have mold but 
that's usually a common thing 

1029
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,300
that if you have trouble getting
that up even like I mean I was 

1030
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:06,900
eating carnivore and I had low 
iron in ferrets and I think my 

1031
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,800
favorite Tim is like nine, 
sometimes. 

1032
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,700
We see a lot of yeast 
overgrowth. 

1033
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,700
So like people like to buy coke 
and Dida is all from food. 

1034
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:17,200
Well, guess what? 
If you change the food and it's 

1035
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,400
still sitting there, I'm going 
to tell you, you're probably got

1036
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,900
mold because those who work 
really well together and mold 

1037
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:23,900
can colonize and different 
places in your body. 

1038
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:27,000
So, Symptoms can vary. 
It can colonize in your gut and 

1039
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,600
then maybe you get the bloating,
maybe you get the histamine 

1040
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,000
response, has the MCAS. 
It can Colonnades in your 

1041
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,900
sinuses and then maybe you've 
got like the migraines, you've 

1042
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,600
got the congestion, it can 
colonize in your lungs and maybe

1043
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,100
cause some agitation there. 
But generally I you know, you 

1044
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,200
hear a lot more nowadays about 
chronic inflammatory responses 

1045
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:50,700
like syndrome or Sears. 
I think that's like one of the 

1046
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:53,400
biggest things and it may take a
while to get there. 

1047
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,600
But like if you've Not that much
information going on that you're

1048
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,400
kind of chronically stuck in 
this, like inflamed State, no 

1049
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,900
matter what you do, and no 
matter what you're eating, it's 

1050
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:06,100
probably at least worth route 
like rolling out mold, you know,

1051
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,300
even if you don't see it in your
house, it can hide. 

1052
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,500
It can even be a past exposure 
as a child. 

1053
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,700
I know a lot of people were 
exposed in their childhood homes

1054
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,500
and because they never cleared 
it from their body, they're 

1055
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:19,100
still sick as adults. 
What about mold and confit is 

1056
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,300
that, is there a lot of Truth to
that? 

1057
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:21,700
Or is that just a bunch of 
fear-mongering? 

1058
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,100
I think there's a lot of Truth 
in that it is The coffee and the

1059
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,000
grains, a lot of nuts like 
cashews peanut butter, they're 

1060
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,300
definitely there. 
I've been on a whole danger 

1061
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,500
coffee Dave, asprey kick because
it has fallback minerals in it, 

1062
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,500
which kind of help with detox as
well. 

1063
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:40,300
And it kind of has some 
electrolytes, but I definitely 

1064
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:43,700
think we should be testing it. 
I definitely at least would 

1065
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:48,200
stick to a single origin, you 
know, Blend or not, a blend 

1066
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,300
single origin, like, Arabic 
coffee, like, no blend because 

1067
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,500
if it's a blended, can sit 
around for a while, but if it's 

1068
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:56,000
single origin, It might be from 
like one source. 

1069
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,400
They might get it on the Shelf 
sooner, but I definitely think 

1070
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,900
that coming from foods is a 
thing. 

1071
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:06,000
But I think as far as like the 
really sick people, I'm going to

1072
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,800
say it's your house and most 
likely that your foods not the 

1073
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,500
biggest contributor to it, but 
it does. 

1074
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,300
If you have mold colonized in 
your body and you're eating 

1075
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:15,900
moldy Foods, your body can see 
that. 

1076
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:18,300
It's competition and almost 
throw more toxins and it makes 

1077
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:20,900
you feel worse. 
Gosh, and mold in the house is 

1078
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,100
not like if in your bath make, 
if you look above your share. 

1079
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,000
There's a lot of condensation 
that you got a little bit of 

1080
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,700
surface mold that's not extend 
them. 

1081
00:51:27,707 --> 00:51:31,300
What we're talking about here, 
it can do it and that's that's 

1082
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:33,500
the common misconception. 
Everyone thinks they have to 

1083
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,500
have black mold for it to make 
them sick and what we're 

1084
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:40,700
learning is aspergillus and 
penicillium, if they can get 

1085
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:43,800
high enough counts and the house
that they can spread in enough, 

1086
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,600
places, that burden can be 
enough to make you sick. 

1087
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,300
And that a lot of times is 
surface mold. 

1088
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,900
That was what was in every 
closet of my house. 

1089
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,100
It had flat paint and I say it's
because there was moisture above

1090
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,600
Moisture below that the porous 
material in between the two like

1091
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,400
absorbed it. 
And that's why these walls got 

1092
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,200
it because when you have like a 
satin paint, it's kind of hard 

1093
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,500
for mold to adhere because you 
kind of have like a protective 

1094
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:06,100
layer and it needs to get its 
roots in. 

1095
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:09,100
It's really no such thing as 
surface mold, like it's got a 

1096
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:11,000
route Network. 
Like if you look up like, give 

1097
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,700
the fungal Network in a Woods, 
like what you see on the 

1098
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,000
surface, there's a hundred times
below the surface going on as 

1099
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,800
far as, like, roots and 
networking, and, and spreading. 

1100
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,400
So, but every one of my closets 
had surface mold, Old and I was 

1101
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,500
still very very sick. 
I probably did have statue mold 

1102
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,200
because of where that roof leak 
was. 

1103
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,000
But I think I mean the highest 
molds on the air sport has that 

1104
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,300
I had done in the house was 
actually the aspergillus and the

1105
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:41,100
penicillium and that was 
consequently, the highest molds 

1106
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:44,000
that I had in my body as well. 
So what like when you go into 

1107
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,400
your house and you're seeing all
this like what do you do? 

1108
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,900
I mean you just like have to get
your entire house redone. 

1109
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,200
Like that seems like a huge 
headache. 

1110
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,900
I want it to burn. 
All down. 

1111
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:58,800
Imagine that people looked at me
and said, that wasn't a feasible

1112
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:02,700
option. 
So I I started and did what I 

1113
00:53:02,707 --> 00:53:04,800
could do. 
It probably cost me close to 

1114
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,300
15,000 dollars to remediate, 
which is actually pretty low, on

1115
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,900
the spectrum of things. 
But I basically had to find 

1116
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:15,200
like, the highest sources of the
molds. 

1117
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,800
The mold guy came in, there was 
a big Source in the basement. 

1118
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,600
Part of it was finished. 
He removed that and course you 

1119
00:53:21,607 --> 00:53:24,100
have do like a negative pressure
system so it doesn't spread. 

1120
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,500
Add further in the house because
sometimes when you use to sturb 

1121
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,000
mold, it can actually spread 
like more. 

1122
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:32,300
So you don't really want to like
spray it with molar with bleach 

1123
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,500
because you're actually just 
like threatening it and it's 

1124
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:36,400
going to throw spores. 
So it survives and it's going to

1125
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,900
spread 15 more places. 
So we had some errors, we had to

1126
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,500
cut out, I obviously had to fix 
that roof leak at in my attic as

1127
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:47,000
well and then rip out some moldy
inflammation. 

1128
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,800
Put a new drywall. 
They say, anything porous. 

1129
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,400
You should technically cut out 
and remove so technically I 

1130
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,100
should have removed Of every 
closet of drywall. 

1131
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,800
If I was probably doing it by 
the book, but budget said you 

1132
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,300
don't have that much money 
Kelly. 

1133
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,600
And so, I took some borax 
cleaner. 

1134
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:09,100
I took some natural cleaners 
like EC3 and bristle brush and I

1135
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:11,500
scrub the crap out of that 
drywall. 

1136
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:15,100
And then I tried to use like 
Sherwin-Williams paint or like 

1137
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:17,500
mold resistant paint, which 
probably had a ton of toxins in 

1138
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:20,500
it, but I was more concerned 
about the mold and the toxins at

1139
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:25,800
that point and that's basically 
that Was a lot of it, but I 

1140
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,400
guess the worst part of that 
whole thing was, every time I 

1141
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,000
peel back a layer, I would find 
more. 

1142
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,200
So anything porous. 
I threw away. 

1143
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,800
So, the mattresses the couches 
had, I had leather couches, 

1144
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,800
maybe I would have had a chance 
at cleaning them, but I had 

1145
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,400
fabric. 
So I tossed them. 

1146
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:45,600
And I wiped out down every wall 
of my house with that borax and 

1147
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,300
the EC3 or thymus, I'd anything 
natural, it would kill mold. 

1148
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,200
So I would take everything out 
of a room, everything and put it

1149
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,200
in like a dirty room. 
And then I would clean the 

1150
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,800
walls, clean the trim and clean.
If the floor, if I had carpet, 

1151
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,900
the carpet had gotten removed 
and I put new flooring in which 

1152
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,600
led to me finding some mold 
actually under the carpet 

1153
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,200
because my washer overflowed 
once and it went into the 

1154
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,900
bedroom and that created black 
mold. 

1155
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:10,900
So I wouldn't have even known 
that was there. 

1156
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:16,400
Had I not remove the carpet and 
I once I cleaned the room, I 

1157
00:55:16,408 --> 00:55:20,100
would clean every individual 
thing and put it back in and 

1158
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,400
basically threw away anything. 
I didn't feel like cleaning or 

1159
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,700
that I was over. 
It really, really can be an 

1160
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,000
entire nightmare. 
That's probably the worst thing 

1161
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,300
I've ever gone through as far as
my healing Journey thus far. 

1162
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:36,700
Yeah, it sounds insane. 
Like I don't even know if I'd 

1163
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:38,100
want to live in the same house 
again. 

1164
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:43,300
Yeah II basically because I like
my home is on family property. 

1165
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,000
It's like right adjacent to my 
mother's and I was like look if 

1166
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,400
in four years like I'm not 
better like if I can't get my 

1167
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,900
body where I want it to be or I 
find any more mold. 

1168
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:57,600
I'm I'm leaving. 
I am burning this place down. 

1169
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,400
I'll get an RV. 
I don't like, I don't know 

1170
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,800
what's gonna happen. 
But, you know, all I can do is 

1171
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,200
know, like how powerful mindset 
is and know that I did the best 

1172
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,500
that I could and just be 
positive about it and just be 

1173
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,200
excited about the things I can 
be excited about, you know, like

1174
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,200
I did get to update some things 
after, you know, living there 

1175
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,500
for 11 years and just, and just 
hope for the best. 

1176
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:21,800
I mean, it doesn't is not going 
to do me any good to be worried 

1177
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,000
every day. 
So I have to just breathe. 

1178
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,800
Breathe and just have that 
positive mindset and roll with 

1179
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,300
the punches and see what 
happens. 

1180
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,600
No, totally. 
So when did all that go down, 

1181
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,300
like, have you just several 
years ago was just recent. 

1182
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:37,200
This was recent. 
I actually just went home 

1183
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,000
shortly in January. 
I want to say, I just went back 

1184
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,800
into the house. 
I stayed with my mom for three 

1185
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,500
months while I went through that
nightmare. 

1186
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:47,200
So you probably have not spent a
lot of Snuffy. 

1187
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,700
There's a been a tangible 
difference made yet I wouldn't 

1188
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:52,600
guess. 
Well yeah, I feel like my body 

1189
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,300
would change because So many 
variables. 

1190
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:57,400
So, like, when I started staying
at my mom's, I don't know if I 

1191
00:56:57,408 --> 00:56:59,900
started detoxing, but like my 
eyes would get bloodshot. 

1192
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:03,300
My face would break out, but I 
didn't have the shortness of 

1193
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:05,000
breath anymore. 
I didn't have the migraines 

1194
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,500
anymore. 
So like my symptoms kind of 

1195
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:10,900
shifted and as I go maybe I'm 
just clearing things but truth 

1196
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:12,400
be told. 
I didn't even start the mold 

1197
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,500
protocol like to clear things 
from my body yet because I was 

1198
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:19,000
cleaning down there still and I 
was exposing myself all the 

1199
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,200
time. 
So I did a little bit of like 

1200
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,900
glutathione little bit of a 
binder, you know, did some like 

1201
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:25,100
so. 
Shawna did some things. 

1202
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,100
I know that help the body. 
Clear it. 

1203
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:29,800
But I didn't go through the 
whole thing yet that's coming up

1204
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,300
about. 
Now I need to get on that horse 

1205
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,800
and order everything I need to 
order and go through it but 

1206
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,600
lately I think I mean I've been 
back a few weeks now and I feel 

1207
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,900
I don't have any migraines so 
those haven't come back. 

1208
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:46,700
I don't have any neuropathy and 
my face is finally starting to 

1209
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:49,200
clear up. 
So I'm hoping fingers crossed 

1210
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,000
that things have definitely made
a positive shift. 

1211
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,500
I've also been doing a sauna 
called the haka Sada. 

1212
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:56,300
And I feel like that's helped a 
lot, too. 

1213
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,000
So what is the Hawkins on that? 
I never heard that. 

1214
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,700
So the Hockett sauna has a 
basically like multiple devices 

1215
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,800
within. 
It's a steam sauna that you sit 

1216
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,400
in which I tend to get 
dehydrated in a traditional 

1217
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,900
sauna, I probably do okay in a 
red light so Anna. 

1218
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:14,900
But I don't always sweat in a 
red light sauna. 

1219
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,000
So, dr. 
Cole, took the team and I to 

1220
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,500
Cleveland to this fall which is 
like a biohacking spa and they 

1221
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:24,000
had this hakkasan. 
I tried it. 

1222
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:25,800
Down. 
I absolutely loved it. 

1223
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,300
So you have the Steam and the 
steam opens up everything and 

1224
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:35,400
then it drops ozone, which is 
oxygen rich, basically water 

1225
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,000
that you absorb. 
And when you have pathogens, 

1226
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,200
they deplete your oxygen levels 
because they don't thrive in a 

1227
00:58:41,207 --> 00:58:43,800
high oxygen environment. 
So it almost goes through like 

1228
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,700
an antimicrobial and just wipes 
anything out, you know, like 

1229
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:50,400
parasites, viruses, anything 
like that. 

1230
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,000
It's supposed to help with and 
you can't breathe in Ozone. 

1231
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,300
You don't want to get into your 
lungs, so that's why your head 

1232
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,300
sticks out and they kind of have
like a towel there but you can 

1233
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:00,900
put it in the body and it does 
really well. 

1234
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,800
That's kind of some, the same 
principle is like, you know, 

1235
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,800
maybe doing a hyperbaric, you 
know, therapy is to get more 

1236
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,800
oxygen in the body because it'll
help the body heal faster. 

1237
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:14,900
And then it also has red light. 
So you have that aspect going 

1238
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:18,200
helping leg lower inflammation 
and help getting a good sweat on

1239
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,100
as well with the Steam and then 
you have P EMF in there too, 

1240
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,000
which is like pulsed. 
Electromagnetic. 

1241
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:26,100
Frequencies. 
And they actually have a lot of 

1242
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:27,600
settings where they can kind of 
Target it. 

1243
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Like, do you feel like your 
lymphatic system is slow? 

1244
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Let's run this frequency. 
Oh you feel like you need an 

1245
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,400
immune system boost. 
Let's run this frequency and 

1246
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,400
overall, I don't hurts a lot 
from it, which I love, because 

1247
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,300
if you are going through a 
biotoxin kind of protocol trying

1248
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,500
to get rid of a pathogen, you're
like, oh my God, I took these 

1249
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:47,300
meds and I feel like I'm dying. 
But that must mean it's clearing

1250
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:49,100
out of my body. 
That's not what you want. 

1251
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:51,800
You want to, you want to feel 
good and you want to detox low 

1252
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,000
and slow because you really 
don't want to stress. 

1253
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,400
Body out you want to kind of 
just gently, push it in the 

1254
00:59:57,408 --> 00:59:59,500
direction, it needs to go 
because it obviously with that 

1255
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:02,400
stress, you're going to get like
the whole vagal tone disruption.

1256
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,300
You're gonna get stuck in that 
fight and flight and your body's

1257
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:05,500
not going to heal. 
Yeah. 

1258
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:08,000
So you don't want to hurt us but
yeah that's the hawk. 

1259
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
It's on. 
It's pretty amazing. 

1260
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,400
Yeah I'm at the check that out. 
So like the ultimate biohacking 

1261
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,300
song for sure. 
I think it's my favorite thus 

1262
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:18,400
far and I've done it all. 
I didn't cry. 

1263
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,500
Oh, I've done. 
I did the Hyperbaric. 

1264
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,900
I like IVs sometimes to just 
just Give my body a little bit 

1265
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:28,000
of a boost but that's probably 
my favorite out of all of them 

1266
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,100
so far. 
Yeah, I like that for sure. 

1267
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:32,800
And definitely check that out. 
Well, what sketchy excited? 

1268
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,200
Now, like with with everything 
you got going on you get you 

1269
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,800
back in your house. 
So that's obviously super 

1270
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,300
exciting. 
When you were with your mom or 

1271
01:00:38,308 --> 01:00:41,300
you like peeling. 
A rugs and tearing down her 

1272
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:44,600
drywall to see if she had any 
mold in her house to it has 

1273
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,300
become a thing. 
Yeah, I was actually staring at 

1274
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:49,800
the basement ceiling. 
She has a bathroom down there 

1275
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,400
that's finished and I was like, 
you have a water leak there and 

1276
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,800
she's like, yeah. 
But Caught it early. 

1277
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,700
I'm like, mold can grow within 
24 hours and I'm just like 

1278
01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:59,800
staring at it. 
I'm like, I don't know. 

1279
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,300
Mom. 
She's like I have AC and I 

1280
01:01:01,308 --> 01:01:04,100
haven't had problems since I had
the AC will then like it was 

1281
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:07,700
like a week later the water line
started growing down the ceiling

1282
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:11,000
and I was like, you got to kind 
of out like you know, she did 

1283
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,200
have somebody come look at it 
and it's crazy too because like 

1284
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,700
it mold is a very real thing and
the fact that not everybody 

1285
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,300
suffers the same way and the 
fact that not everybody responds

1286
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,400
the same way to it. 
People tend to not believe you 

1287
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,400
and they tend to Gaslight you 
and they tend to call you 

1288
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,600
emotional. 
The mold guy, the remediate, ER,

1289
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,600
actually called me emotional. 
And I was like, I think I'm 

1290
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,700
pretty logical. 
Like, I've dealt with emotional.

1291
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:38,200
Like I've had a lot of clients 
over the years that, you know, 

1292
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,800
like are just their vagal tone 
and their vagal response is just

1293
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,500
pewter doubt and like, 
everything like affects their, 

1294
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:48,200
their responses, emotionally, 
and their hormones are out of 

1295
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,300
whack. 
I'm pretty reasonable. 

1296
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:53,100
I just, I had problems when he 
told me to do things and then he

1297
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,800
like took it I can try to be 
like no, no, don't worry about 

1298
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:56,400
it now. 
What do you mean? 

1299
01:01:56,408 --> 01:01:58,100
Don't worry about it. 
Now you just said to do it that 

1300
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:00,400
way and I of course did my own 
research. 

1301
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,600
So I would. 
So I just think he didn't like 

1302
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,500
the the opposition. 
I don't think he's used to 

1303
01:02:04,508 --> 01:02:06,700
having people being like, I'm an
opinion about this. 

1304
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:10,100
And if you follow somebody like 
Michael Rubino, who's like, you 

1305
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:14,500
know, the mold remediation King,
like gold standard of, and then 

1306
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:16,800
you get some local guy in there 
and you're like, okay I need the

1307
01:02:16,808 --> 01:02:19,100
compromise. 
I can't quite Michael Rubino 

1308
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:21,500
this but I can't quite do it at 
your level. 

1309
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,600
Either I need you to meet me in 
the middle and I think that's 

1310
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:24,600
Trust. 
I'm out. 

1311
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,400
Yeah, me shoot. 
He probably most his clientele 

1312
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,100
probably do not have a clue how 
big of an impact it can have on 

1313
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:34,100
their health. 
So you're much more motivated to

1314
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:36,000
get fixed. 
Well, yeah. 

1315
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,100
Like even with testing, you 
know, it's like testing tells us

1316
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:41,500
so much, right? 
So the day he came to like are 

1317
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:45,200
Spore test, my house, my dumb, 
but forgot to shut the window 

1318
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,700
because I always sleep with the 
window open. 

1319
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:49,900
So, I like the Kohler are I like
the fresh air, so I forgot to 

1320
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:53,000
shut my windows. 
I forgot to turn my air filter 

1321
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,000
off and those are all things. 
It should be done before your 

1322
01:02:55,008 --> 01:02:57,600
house is tested for mold and 
like you think he would have 

1323
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,200
walked in? 
And then like Kelly dummy head, 

1324
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,200
like I'm coming back. 
Like this is not ideal but he 

1325
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,000
didn't. 
He ran the test anyway and then 

1326
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,000
like where he ran the tests, 
like he ran it in my living 

1327
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,800
room. 
Like, it's not even like a water

1328
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,000
damaged room like, you know, the
leaks and my bathroom. 

1329
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,600
Like I just felt like he was 
almost trying to give me a 

1330
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,500
positive spin on the results. 
Like it ain't really that bad. 

1331
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:21,900
But even with him testing and 
like the weird areas that he did

1332
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:23,900
and with the filter running, 
they were still super hot. 

1333
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,600
Hi. 
So I knew it was bad, you know, 

1334
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,900
but then like you get a lot of 
people that are like oh you 

1335
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:31,700
know, we I don't have statue 
mold because it didn't show up 

1336
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:34,200
on the airs test and it's like 
well then we run Labs like we 

1337
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,600
run like a pathogen and your 
immune system is reacting to 

1338
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,300
black mold and I'm like I'm 
going to say you have black 

1339
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:42,500
mold. 
I'm going to say that it's a 

1340
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:44,900
heavy mold and it doesn't 
circulate as well as some of the

1341
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:46,300
other ones. 
And that's why it didn't show up

1342
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:49,300
on the Air, Sports Fest and you 
got to start looking at your 

1343
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:51,700
house real close and thinking, 
where could that be hiding? 

1344
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:55,000
Because I think it's there, do 
you think Worthwhile for like 

1345
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,600
everybody to just proactively 
get a mold test on their house. 

1346
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,400
I mean whether or not they seem 
old present like it's probably, 

1347
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:04,800
it's probably where they 
wouldn't see it, right? 

1348
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,300
Yeah. 
It's very good at hiding. 

1349
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,300
Like I had a water spot on my 
ceiling but obviously, the mold 

1350
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:13,500
was on the other side. 
You know, I never liked broke 

1351
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:17,200
through and I didn't see it and 
I can hide in Corners, you know,

1352
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,900
that's where moisture tends to 
gather. 

1353
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,600
So like, you know, in my closet,
I saw a couple spots but then I 

1354
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,800
looked in the corner and I was 
like, oh, there it is. 

1355
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,000
You know, so you tend to not 
notice that it can definitely go

1356
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,500
under the radar, I mean my house
didn't smell musty, it didn't 

1357
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:32,000
smell gross. 
It you know the house was only 

1358
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,600
Built 11 years ago, age doesn't 
really matter either because 

1359
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,700
like I said, you know, can start
within 24 hours. 

1360
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:40,200
I don't know that everyone needs
to go out and panic about it and

1361
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,900
do a test. 
But if you're struggling with 

1362
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:45,200
illness and it's not healing, 
you can always test your body 

1363
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,900
first to you could always run, 
like, Great Plains has a 

1364
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:50,500
mycotoxin test that we find is 
pretty reliable. 

1365
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,300
You could, you could run that 
and see where you fall in the 

1366
01:04:53,308 --> 01:04:56,600
spectrum of And then if we find 
it, you know, then maybe it's 

1367
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:57,600
the start looking at. 
Okay. 

1368
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,100
Do I think it was this house but
I think it was a past exposure, 

1369
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:03,200
you know. 
Do I think it colonized or, you 

1370
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,000
know, his toxins can make 
anybody sick if they're high 

1371
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,400
enough? 
When just running through your 

1372
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,700
body? 
It does not mean necessarily 

1373
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:12,600
that they always colonize the 
people that I know that it's 

1374
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,800
colonised in usually have like 
the candida, the yeast 

1375
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,000
overgrowth, you know? 
Like it's showing up as like, a 

1376
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,200
fungal infection in their body, 
a lot of time. 

1377
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,900
So not everybody is necessarily 
going to have it colonized 

1378
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Sighs. 
But it could still be making 

1379
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,400
them not feel great too if that 
makes sense. 

1380
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:30,500
Gotcha. 
Well, I feel pretty good right 

1381
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:33,400
now but I'm definitely go home 
after this podcast and like just

1382
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,300
start peaking in places and 
corners and make sure that I 

1383
01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:39,600
don't have anything growing. 
Where didn't know was growing. 

1384
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,300
Yeah, you always check the wet 
rooms your bathrooms, you know, 

1385
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:46,100
like if you've had a tub 
overflow, check the adage, like 

1386
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:49,900
adjacent room, you know, stuff 
like that, you know, under your 

1387
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:52,100
cabinets, you know, because 
sometimes those pipes tend to 

1388
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:55,100
leak or hold moisture base. 
Men's are obviously always a 

1389
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:57,000
good one too. 
I'm going to are sport. 

1390
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,000
Testing 8 so bad but ideally 
like to have it done in the 

1391
01:06:01,008 --> 01:06:03,700
summer when like mold is 
thriving versus the winter, when

1392
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,500
it's kind of little more dormant
because like my symptoms showed 

1393
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:09,000
up in like June to August. 
So I'm not even retesting the 

1394
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,000
house until probably July 
because that's about similar to 

1395
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,900
the time that I had. 
It tested the first time. 

1396
01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:17,600
And I want the same, like 
factors comparing because what 

1397
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,100
you'll do is run an outside test
and then you'll run, maybe some 

1398
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:23,500
of the like water rooms in the 
house. 

1399
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:26,000
Like the Bathrooms the laundry 
room, the kitchen, and then 

1400
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,200
you'll compare those levels to 
the outside. 

1401
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:31,400
And if you've got like, double 
triple the amount inside versus 

1402
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,600
what's outside, then your house 
is growing it. 

1403
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:36,100
Yeah, no, it's good to know for 
sure. 

1404
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:40,000
I think like this so much. 
This would be totally obscure to

1405
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,500
people and they could have no 
idea what to pinpoint cause, I 

1406
01:06:42,508 --> 01:06:45,800
mean, who thinks of 
automatically going to mold as 

1407
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,800
the primary culprit for one 
enough, feeling good. 

1408
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,400
But but this makes sense. 
So, yeah. 

1409
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,800
I think this is worth of 
information, for sure. 

1410
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,800
So, apart from, yeah, Able to 
invite a cond Ria and it's 

1411
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,700
terrible to your cellular 
function and it reactivates a 

1412
01:06:58,707 --> 01:07:02,200
lot of other viruses like EBV, 
maybe even lime that went 

1413
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,800
dormant. 
So it really just it puts a toll

1414
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,100
on the body as a whole. 
Yeah, hundred percent. 

1415
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,500
So. 
Apart from getting back in your 

1416
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,900
house, what else is? 
It gets you excited going into 

1417
01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:15,600
the year? 
Um, I don't know. 

1418
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,200
I I mean I'm excited because I 
love my job and, you know, I 

1419
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,900
love what I do and I'm able to 
like reach a lot more people 

1420
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:27,500
these days and my son turns 18 
this year, so I'm releasing one 

1421
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:31,900
of the children to the Wild and 
so that's kind of exciting and 

1422
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:35,700
I'm trying to plan a good travel
trip with the kids. 

1423
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:38,700
I want to go out west and, you 
know, get some time in nature. 

1424
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,700
But yeah, I mean, I'm just kind 
of excited to maybe get feeling 

1425
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,400
better and to start enjoying 
life. 

1426
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:46,700
If again because like I said, 
I've been kind of sick for like 

1427
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:50,800
the last year and I'm ready to 
be back to me so well hopefully 

1428
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,400
you make a full recovery in her 
back to you and kicking butt in 

1429
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,900
no time. 
Yeah, I'm already feeling 

1430
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,800
better. 
So I think it's you know it's 

1431
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,800
just taking it slow and day by 
day and just supporting detox 

1432
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,000
man. 
All y'all need to support your 

1433
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,400
detox. 
You know, that's one of the 

1434
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,200
ancestral things that we 
definitely lost touch with, you 

1435
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,000
know, saunas are great and 
amazing things, and they're not 

1436
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,800
even just like indigenous in 
nature. 

1437
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,400
Like we've seen him over and 
like Europe. 

1438
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:18,600
You know, of course that like 
the cold plunge has a Swiss love

1439
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,000
their saunas and they're cold 
plunges. 

1440
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,500
I think it's something we've got
away from that. 

1441
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,700
We should definitely bring back 
and just you know helping the 

1442
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:26,300
body do its job. 
Yeah. 

1443
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:28,500
Couldn't agree. 
More could not agree more well. 

1444
01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:31,000
Kelly what do people go to find 
out more about you dive into 

1445
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,399
your world and follow along. 
I'm on Instagram. 

1446
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,899
I'm the real food, Rebel spell, 
Delle Erbe, sorry spelled re Vol

1447
01:08:38,899 --> 01:08:42,200
at the end there. 
I'm also a doctor will col. 

1448
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,100
So usually you can buy me 
through one of Those post 

1449
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:48,399
somewhere but yeah mostly 
Instagram is where I hang out 

1450
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:49,700
these days. 
Awesome. 

1451
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:51,600
Well I would definitely link out
to your Instagram killing. 

1452
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,700
It has been an absolute Joy 
chatting with you. 

1453
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,200
I'm gonna keep following along. 
Learn more about mold, learn 

1454
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,500
more about your recovery and if 
there's ever anything I can do 

1455
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:00,200
for you by all means, let me 
know. 

1456
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:03,000
Yeah, it was so nice to talk 
with you today. 

1457
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,300
I appreciate you my pleasure 
take care. 

1458
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,100
Alright. 
Have a great day.