Hello ladies and gents Robert Sykes ketose a.com and to never
get special guest Kelly troop on the line.
She is a functional Wellness practitioner and we dive into
all things nutrition, we dive into what she is.
Found to be beneficial as it retained as it pertains to
rotating through the seasons. When it comes to fruits and
vegetables, whether she recommends being keto long-term
or not, we talked about cycling, your food, you talk about
carnivore, we talked about how she was able to improve her
health. Drastically by adopting a Real
food approach. We also dive deep into Believe
It or Not mold so she had quite an issue with mulch into a
full-blown house. Remediation of mold, she was
having all kinds of issues health-wise from mold and we
dive deep into the mold Rabbit Hole.
So if you had any desire to learn about mold, this is
definitely the podcast for you thoroughly.
Enjoy the conversation is she is a wealth of knowledge of get.
No doubt that you will take something from this.
So that further Ado, sit back relax and do the podcast with
Kelly Troop. And we are Live Kelly.
How are you? I'm good.
How are you? I'm doing a wonderful.
Well, I'm excited that I've been with you today because we were
talking via email, we got into it.
I guess we met, we met through Mike who's a mutual friend and
he was telling me that you are the brains behind a lot of
ancestral eating which is something that I have a interest
in for sure most listeners this podcast what as well and I kind
of want to dive into that. But before we even touch that,
can you kind of give me some back story as to what got you
into the functional nutrition? Space to begin with?
Well I actually started out as just like the nutrition aspect.
I mean I started out as a primal health coach much like our
friend Mike and really, that just became a thing because I
had metabolic disease and I was 26 years old and I had fatty
liver and polycystic ovaries and inflammation and I was upset, I
couldn't lose weight and I had an endocrinologist, I guess kind
of head of his I'm because this was like 2013 this was before
keto took off, this is you know just kind of when standard
medicine ruled the world and he was just like look you can you
can cut out inflammatory foods. You can go low carb, or you can
essentially take metformin and I was like, I'm too young to be on
meds. So I took the diet much to my
disbelief, that anything was going to work for me.
I mean I had done whole grains. I had done eating 1200 calories
a day, I done working out five days a week, just to lose like
ten pounds in like Four months and lowering the inflammation.
Changing the way I ate literally had me lose like 50 pounds in 2
months. I never gained it back.
I had energy and I wanted to know why.
So, I kind of Dove down that rabbit hole of nutrition and
really just ran with it. And and that served me really
well for about five or six years and then I got sick again.
And so, of course, you know, you get sick again.
You're like, well, maybe I am meeting wrong, maybe I need to
eat more veggies. Maybe I need to eat more carbs.
What? What am I doing?
You know, that's not you know like why isn't food working this
time and food wasn't working, no matter how I tweaked it, no
matter which way I went, I could get things to work for me.
Like, I went completely carnivore.
I did. So for about six months just to
control my symptoms, but I was well aware that even though that
controlled my symptoms, that wasn't really treating.
The reason why I was imbalanced in the first place.
And so, I started diving down into functional medicine,
finding root causes, and I had several of them.
I had a parasite. I had c-diff from a surgery like
a small procedure that I had done and of course they loaded
me pull antibiotics. Which is like the seed if you
know way to thrive and then I also had mold in my home and so
that it completely unrooted me. And then I went back to school
to become a functional medicine, Health practitioners that I
could help other people that realized food is not always
enough and sometimes we need to dig deeper what was the primary
symptom that you were experiencing?
When you realize that you were sick the second time?
Oh, days of constipation bloating.
Just I had autoimmune antibodies, I had lupus
antibodies showing up, I was fatigued again, so that energy
that I had found in my 20s and loved was.
Now gone, I'd work a 10-hour day at the hospital because I also
do ultrasound. So I guess I have like a lot of
anatomy and physiology background with that too.
And I would just flat line. At the end of the day, I
couldn't cook my kids dinner. I couldn't do anything my
muscles 8. Was I was pretty miserable.
Got you? Okay, so from the, from the
beginning, when you have the first issues, the autoimmune
issues the PCOS, and then you went Quito.
Well, you pretty much doing the traditional version of Quito at
that time. Or what was that?
Looking like at the moment. Oh gosh.
I started sloppy keto. I'll be the first to admit that.
I was like eating probably 3,000 calories a day.
Hey, I'd go to, like Wendy's and get a Baconator without the bun.
You know, cheese curds eggs, anything I could get my hands on
that. I knew, I didn't have to, like,
count carbs in a nap because I didn't want to count carbs.
And then I think I was in Maryland on vacation.
And the grocery store was just overpriced, and I was like,
there's a small farm. I said, we should go check it
out and I think we got some pork chops, and I ate them and they
tasted like, what I remembered as a kid, and I was like, you
know, because nowadays I feel like pork doesn't have flavor.
Like there's no specific taste to it, it just, I don't know.
It tastes like meat, generally, when you buy it conventionally
and this one was like, bright red, like it looked like a steak
and I was like what in the world and then I started realizing if
it matters what I eat it matter. My animals eat and, you know,
then I started going a little more like, you know, how do I go
organic? How do I work with nature?
How do I, you know, respect the cycles and rhythms of things and
that sent me down that way. And when you started doing
corner will for six months, that was when you were sick the
second time, right? Yeah.
That was when I was sick, the second time, had the autoimmune,
the lupus, the seat, if the mold and the parasite, what was the,
what was the initial Catalyst for that?
That surgery for the seat if I'm assuming and then what What, for
Lupus, lupus was just showing up because I mean, essentially,
when you have a pathogen in your body, it you know, it creates a
bunch of imbalances and one of those imbalances the gut it you
know it hits that pretty hard and then you get leaky gut and
it lets things get into your bloodstream.
And when things get into your bloodstream, and they create
immune response. And when that immune response
goes for a long period of time, it becomes dysfunctional certain
immune cells, you know, maybe like your T cells don't die off
when they become dysfunctional, sometimes Foods Some of your
bodily tissues, we have like a lot of foods like wheat that we
know, like, but people with Hashimoto's, which is another
form of autoimmune, like it gets into the bloodstream because of
this leaky gut and it looks like your body's tissue, so the
thyroid gets attacked because it thinks it sweet.
But we, you know, we're peeling back nowadays and realizing it's
not even just wheat. There's a lot of things that
look very similar, you know, like potatoes, get on that list,
you know, Dairy gets on that list.
A lot of grains even like some things are more like seeds like
buckwheat, you know? So So we really have to, like,
pay attention to what the body is telling us.
In fact, one of the most interesting things and one of
the reasons I went carnivore is when I worked with that doctor.
The first time he ran that panel to find out.
I was in flames and he ran it again.
And when he ran it again, my cholesterol was also really high
because I obviously, I was inflamed and my body was trying
to put out that fire and he was like, well, he's like you're a
hyper absorber of cholesterol and I said tell me how, you know
that you know like what are you looking at on my labs and he
goes with your plan, Barrels and I just kind of like shook my
head. Like I have no idea what you're
talking about. So I went home and I started
going down the rabbit hole. What plant sterols are and their
plant cholesterol? Well, the body has no use for a
plant cholesterol. It doesn't know what to do with
it. It just wants it out in the
stool. It's considered a waste product.
It's not going to utilize that kind of cholesterol.
Well, mine was getting into my bloodstream, which was, you
know, causing that to flag on my labs and to him that he thought
I was just a hyper absorber. And I just absorb a lot of all
the cholesterol I eat, especially if plant sterols are
showing up. But when I looked back, Back at
my old test, they didn't exist, you know, and that was pretty
close to when I was eating a standard American diet, right?
So, what changed, what changed was the pathogen that destroyed
my gut that was actually letting those plant sterols into my
bloodstream, not that I had some genetic marker.
That was going to hurt me if I kept eating cholesterol and so
that was part of my reason for keeping plants out because I
knew they were if they were getting into my bloodstream and
they weren't supposed to be there, they were probably
stimulating. My immune system too much.
Do you keep him out more or less to this day or have you brought
those back in? Um, I play with them now, I'm
still pretty much carnivore for the most part, and when I do
bring things in, I kind of bring them in seasonally, like we come
into spring here in Erie Pennsylvania, where I'm from, we
have ramps and they're like, Nature's leaks, I guess, but I
love them, and they're right in my backyard and I go pick them
and I make Pino like a nice omelet out of them.
And I enjoy that very much so. But, you know, they last for,
about two weeks in April and then they're gone, you know?
And so I'll try to work things in as nature provides them.
You know or occasionally like strategically if I'm trying to
like stimulate immune response I might bring them in because I
feel like veggies purpose you know there's all this talk now
of like anti-nutrients and like oh we got to avoid plans all
together and like the way the world is carnivore.
And I don't knock that, but I think it makes more sense to me
to work with the seasons. I think, you know, winter is
your time of meet of fat of fasting of maybe fermented
veggies, you know, maybe even fermented.
It's if we're going to get into that, you know we're really
going to go back incest really and then that's pretty heavy for
several months and then spring comes along and now there's all
these new growths, there's new shoots there's, you know,
veggies when they're very small, which means they have even more
anti-nutrients. That means, you know, like
essentially they're going to stimulate your immune system,
which I believe it stimulates a detox.
And so I think Nature has a way of like having these rhythms.
Like, yes, you can eat meat heavy for a long time and then
you can use, you know, these new Sprouts, these new growths,
these bitters, like Dandelion is common and lots of areas.
You know you can eat dandelion greens and kind of help your
body detox in case. Maybe you did pick up like a
parasite or something. Over the winter heavy months.
Now you can clean it out. Yeah I think that's a fair way
to look at it. I've not been a fan of this
total and complete and villain ization of vegetables.
Like I'm pretty much you know I'm definitely meat-based and
definitely towards the carnivore Spectrum but I'll have Greens on
occasion and not to say that you have to have Greens on it.
So you don't have to have greens.
But it's weird that there's been this just You know, all that
villain ization towards drinks which I don't think is certainly
ancestrally consistent by any means.
No. Absolutely not.
And I tell people like you can find a study on anything, you
know. Like even if I just look at an
apple and I want to say an apples bad, I'm going to pick
out the fact that the seeds have arsenic and you should never eat
an apple or if I want to say apples good I'm going to claim
that it has all these nutrients but there's all these other
layers like do I actually absorb those nutrients?
Can my body actually utilize them.
What else does it? You know, what would other
responses in the body? It has And we really just don't
have the ability to look at all the factors at once.
So we can have these studies that pick out one part of a
thing. But as we know everything is
multi-dimensional, it has many aspects to it.
And so we really just can't hang our hat on a study and you look
at ancestral people and they thrived and everybody likes to
say well they just they got their anything, they got their
hands on, they would use and when I when I do research that's
not the case. You know, when you read the book
you know, not by bread alone or The fat of the land and he's up
there up north, you know, hanging with the eskimos and
he's eating what they eat, you know, they would, they would get
a bear in there. No, they don't eat the beat like
the bear liver. Well, why is that?
Because they would utilize everything that they could get
their hands on and livers such this superfood.
Why wouldn't they just like, eat it?
You know, but they did it. But then if they got like elk,
if they got some kind of deer Caribou I think is what's up
there? Like they would they would eat
the liver then. So it's almost like they had a
relationship with everything and it was never Just a whatever I
can eat to survive. It was, you know, it was
strategic. They wouldn't eat things all
year around. They would you no respect
Nature's rhythms. And in fact, we hunt generally
what, you know, during rut and yet they would leave it alone
during rot, you know, they want it hunt, then they would let
them reproduce. They would, you know, that way
they had food down the road so their youth, they had
relationships with everything. I think I've even read like you
know before they like harvested plans they would only take what
they need so they didn't wipe it all out but they would you know
almost give to Go as and thanks, you know, they would talk to the
plant, which, I mean, how many studies now, show that like a
plant grows more with like love and like light words and care,
you know? So they did all those things and
they were instinctual or they were passed down information and
we have lost touch with like all of that.
Do you think we're regaining that touch or does it just seem?
Because it seems like the people that are quote unquote, in the
know like the people that have gone down this Rabbit Hole of,
you know, regenerative agriculture, eating a ketogenic,
you know, low carb diet minimal process, Feel like they're
definitely more in that realm. But if you were to take that as
a subset of the whole population, I would it make
sense to me the entire population as a whole is
probably getting further and further away from that you know
that connection with the food that were consuming.
Yeah. We definitely have both aspects.
We have people that aren't in touch with it at all and we had
people that are trying, but they have very boxed in views and
they're not willing to like look outside of that box.
Like when you read something like this, that was basis.
The basis of it was just a study you Just to learn why this
worked for these people. There was no gain from it, you
know, like in the fat of the land, he was just he was up
there researching and, you know, like just the things that they
ate were were not pretty, you know, we're kind of privy and I
don't know that, that's a good thing.
So even those of us who are trying to like mimic what our
ancestors did, we want to mimic the parts that like fit our box?
We're not out there like eating the intestines of a caribou and
eating are fermented greens from like their gut.
It sounds terrible it. Sounds nasty.
We're not eating like high meat which is fermented you know God
forbid that could just probably kill us you know, like so we're
still missing some of it, but I'm hoping that as time goes on
that, maybe we start reaching out to the people, we should be
reaching out to, you know, maybe the indigenous and rebuilding
those relationships and even, they need help rebuilding their
past because we wipe that out for them to, you know, if you've
ever visited a reservation and you see, you know, there's like
advertisements for Friday. Ed and there's advertisements
for all this like white cultured food that we gave them that was
cheap and just you know because basically wiped out the bison
and they would starve to death, you know, but like they've
they've lost their roots to and there's a lot of them trying to
dig it up as well and I think we if we all work together and
maybe we could really get somewhere with some of it but
others, an awesome study with the Shoshone tribe which is
someone of my Heritage. I'm obviously very white, but I
did have a great grandfather who was Chablis full Shoshone.
And so I've tried to interact with that tribe.
Just because it resonates with me.
But they, they did research about putting their people on
their traditional food and what disease is it was turning around
like things like diabetes that they seem to be genetically
prone to and it was having great results.
But unfortunately the world took a turn in 2020 and the study got
stalled but the results they had in three months were amazing.
And what was it? Typical diet of this rezoning
in, you know without without White man's influence.
Yeah, so it had a lot of different foods.
I mean they, of course, had some seeds.
You know, like I did sunflower seeds like from April to June,
they did try out and perch basically all year round, salmon
was like from July to October deer moose elk.
They ate those all year, except for during rot bison they had
kind of Seasons with it was like October to January and March to
April and then you know, like in the spring that's when they
showed like herbs coming up, you know, like I was talking Talking
about the sprouts and stuff. In fact, they have one called
Bitterroot, which if, you know anything about greens, better is
supposed to definitely be good for detox and getting rid of
parasites. That was one that they kind of
prize. I haven't made it out there to
try it yet but the invites there.
So one of these years I'll be flying out there to give that a
go. And then sheep sheep, they would
eat kind of in the spring. So like, you know, that spring
lamb tradition, you know, like that makes sense from like, an
ancestral approach to, you know, this the ancestor eating is very
intriguing. To be like my first Passion was,
is Native American history. So I was diving into a lot of
the, the Plains Indians cultures and you specifically like, the
Sioux Lakota. And, you know, some of the stuff
that course they were obviously following the Buffalo herds and
what not, and what they would be able to do with what came from
the Buffalo is nothing short of amazing.
And I feel like people, like for me, one of my biggest
frustrations just waste, like, just waste, like people, throw
away so much food, they get poor quality food and they throw it
all away. And it's unfortunate because if
people just simply ate what was on their plate but it'd be all
Quality Foods. We probably wouldn't see
ourselves in the health epidemic that we now face.
Yeah, we're very wasteful people, you know?
And and that's obviously my argument when people talk about
like, you know, animals destroying the earth, I mean,
you can get into like how they benefit the soil, and the root
growth and erosion. And, you know, the carbon and
and all that. But really what it was is
nothing was wasted, you know, whether it was fed to the dogs,
whether it was used for clothing whether you know the bones were
used for weapons or you know, like clothing as well.
You can use them for buttons and stuff like that they literally
tried to only take what they need.
And use all of it. And I think that's respectful.
I think that's also respecting life.
They didn't go out and just take something because they could and
that is a very like, us cultural thing.
You know, like I'm just going to have everything I want and I
don't care what the consequences, but I feel like
it's still not well known enough.
That, that the animals can really go so much further than,
you know, some of the stuff that they're trying to say is
regenerative these days, you know, like the plant-based diet
and stuff like that. What do you think?
I use is the closest thing. We've come to returning to these
natural roots in the modern day and age.
Like what do you thinks? The closest that we've gotten
this far? Is it the this movement towards
regenerative agriculture that we're seeing take up in some of
these, you know, like beef cattle Industries like like why
do pastures what they're doing? Yeah, I definitely think the
regenerative barmes are really pushing the movement.
I think they're really pushing back as to what the truth is of
like how raising these animals properly and in their
environment, can mean as far as nutrition, Intensity is far as
impact on the earth. I think it's absolutely amazing.
And I think like I think the biggest hurt or like the biggest
thing that I really just felt like opened my eyes that I think
is starting to open up a lot of other people's eyes is like the
fact that protein has nutrients like, it sounds so simple.
When I say it now because I know what I know but growing up,
like, we'd go to and health class and they'd be like, well,
you eat meat for protein and you didn't realize that like things
like liver had the vitamin A that's bioavailable and easily
absorbed and doesn't need. Verted and, you know, like
things like that, you didn't realize that me actually had a
nutrient profile, you know, like micronutrients in the whole
thing. So I think that's a start.
I think, you know, people learning like that.
They need nutrients. And the fact that sickness is
showing up on everybody's door a lot quicker than we'd like it
to, you know, I feel like it gets younger and younger,
especially, you know, with me doing ultrasound.
I and I can scan people and I can look at things like their
liver and our livers, our main detox organ.
You know, it definitely has a role Quality of life but the
burden we put on it from you know our current environment.
You know like living in these artificial caves made out of
plastics and artificial materials from the artificial
Foods you know over the vegetable oils and all the
additives there as really taxing our liver and then you layer in
all these medications, you know, like they put these young girls
on birth control and it, you know, if you read the pamphlet,
it says right on there that it can cause adverse affects the
liver and the gallbladder, but you'll never hear a doctor say
it. And I can honestly say I've been
doing that for done ultrasound now for probably close to 15
years and never once heard him like give that disclaimer and
these livers are fatty but I'll see it as young as a 13
year-old. I think we're at a point now
where we have more non-alcoholic fatty liver cirrhosis, then we
do alcoholic cirrhosis and people's doctors aren't telling
them that they have fatty liver either, that it's going to lead
to cirrhosis. And all they do is say they're
going to watch it and it's definitely one of the things I
had at 27 and Ultrasound. I could literally see it turn
around and three months with proper nutrition.
Yeah, that, that is while it's wound that people don't like the
general public. That does not really, it's
interesting. They Don't Really connect the
dots to recognize that the food that they're consuming have a
direct effect on overall bodily function in the health of their
organs. Like that, that's a strange
disconnect. Like they know they need to eat
healthy in those say that their doctor tell them some super high
level generic advice that you eat healthy, you know, eat the
food group Yada yada yada but like they just have a hard time
grasping that simple fact that you can literally turn your
health around in a very very short period of time over the
grand scheme of a Lifetime by just simply eating the right
Foods. Yeah.
And I think people are afraid to have been wrong for so long I
hate to say that but it's like you know, as a kid you're told
to like eat your veggies like that was the most important
thing on your plate and then you know like as an adult when you
finally have that realization like maybe that's not the most
important thing on my plate and then you go to share that news
and someone else is looking at you sideways.
Like you're crazy, it's like sometimes we almost have to
unlearn things that we thought were truth to really develop
that truth. And honestly, I tell people all
the time, you're not going to know until you do it.
You know, you're not going to see what's on the other side.
You're not going to know what good feels like and so you just
try it for yourself because if somebody would have told me that
like my overweight, you know, my unmotivated inflamed childhood,
you know, that I didn't even know was a thing.
That's just how I always felt, you know, I was always tired, I
always needed 10 hours of sleep. My mom would always call me lazy
and unmotivated. Dated and I didn't know why I
was that way. I was just I really just didn't
feel good I guess. But I couldn't say that right
who doesn't feel good every day that wouldn't be something that
like an adult would believe and then I change the way I eat and
I'm on the other side and I have energy and I'm up at 7 a.m. and
bubbly and I'm in a good mood all the time and I'm like, who's
this person? You know like food.
Did that like food brought me to this you know and no one else is
going to understand that until they cross that bridge
themselves, I feel like totally from an inflammation standpoint
you know, we all hear that ketones are Anti-inflammatory
the ketogenic diet is anti-inflammatory, but from a
mechanistic standpoint, what is actually happening at the
cellular level. In your words as to why this way
of eating is so anti-inflammatory.
I think it's just because it's the easiest to digest foods.
I mean I think that's a lot of it.
You know, you get your meat and your protein which is what
you're going to focus on. When you go low carb, what's
going to make those ketones? I mean, yeah.
Ketones himself lower inflammation, but I think the
fact that you've just eliminated almost every inflammatory food,
Group, your grains are gone, some people keep the Darian, but
I think a lot of people see more benefits when they take those
out and I think like the higher fat, you know, the higher fat
going in there and just soothing that inflammation, you know, is
really nice as well. I think that creates a lot of,
like, feel good in the body and just the fact that you can get
those ketones to the brain directly in a lot of things,
don't cross that, like blood-brain barrier.
That just all in all, you know, it's everything working
together. I don't think it's just the
ketones because I think in the summer, even when I'm like, you
know, picking berries off the bush and my backyard, you know,
by the woods that I still feel great, you know?
And obviously there's some sugar and I'm going to go out of
ketosis for a while, but I think at the end of the day, metabolic
flexibility is kind of the goal. You don't want to get stuck in
ketosis forever and I don't think you want to get stuck in
high carb forever either. I think you need to have that
availability to go back and forth.
Do you think there's any adverse long-term effects for being in
ketosis? Long time.
I've heard rumors that like you have the opposite effect, you
know we're like you have the insulin sensitivity, you know,
or insulin resistance, you can develop insulin sensitivity.
So you can kind of like then when you do have carbs, your
body doesn't kind of know what to do with them.
But I haven't seen it firsthand. Like I said, because I go months
with keto, and then have a little bit of things, I don't
feel like, I'm like, wired, I don't feel like, I'm tired.
I don't feel like I'm inflamed and Anyway, so I guess the
jury's still out on that one of whether it's, you know.
Okay long-term but for me, I think the safest bet is like I
think he do. I think carnivore.
I think all those things are really great to biohack when
you're sick, which a lot of us are, it's a great place to
start. I think you can do it for many
years and be fine. But then, you know, I think
there comes a point where, like, if you feel like you've healed,
and you've reached all your goals, that you can kind of
stretch back out and maybe lean into seasonal eating Maybe lean
into that more ancestral approach, you know?
Like, I think it's, I think we have the knowledge where we know
everything, right? Like, we think we do anyway, but
like we have bits and pieces of everything where we should be
able to like bio bio hack our way to like perfect health, you
know. So I don't think that it's a bad
thing that you go out of the seasonal, eating and like
biohack yourself and do carnivores so you can lower
inflammation enough to heal and then kind of go back to some
seasonal, eating once you feel like you've done, what you need
to do and cleared things. From the body that you need to
clear? Yeah, yeah, when it comes to
like the insulin resistance argument, I feel like that's
mostly like people point to that and they're typically talking
about physiological insulin resistance, as opposed to, you
know, pathological instant Assistance or I've heard it
termed as adaptive glucose sparing.
If you notice like higher Baseline blood glucose with
long-term, ketogenic diet, without bringing back in the
carbs, but if you were to bring back in the carbs,
intermittently your body, just simply up, regulates those
metabolic pathways. So it's not like a Actual path.
All pathological issue. Yeah, I think of you can go
like, where your high card for like your entire life, you know.
Like I had 26 years of being high carb and then go low carb,
you know, I like I feel like your body knows how to adjust
that. I think it does in multitude of
ways, you know, like everybody hangs their hat on fiber
because, you know, they're, they're told that it's good for
you and you need it for your gut bacteria, but they're short
chain fatty acids that transition, when you eat more
low-carb, high-fat, like in the winter.
And I think Again, like your body knows how to adjust to
these things, and maybe you have like a hiccup while you're
adjusting, you know, maybe there's like a couple days where
your body's like, what's going on, you know, and but it's going
to adjust. I think it's going to find
balance because at the end of the day that's your body's job
like that since automatic process there is just two this
is going on and I'll figure it out kind of thing.
So I don't think that there's any long-term effects.
I think your body will figure it out.
Yeah, for sure when it comes to incorporating more fruits and
vegetables throughout different times of the year, You know, a
lot of people say, you know, you gotta have fruit when they're in
season, but if you look at what fruit is today, it kind of pales
in comparison with fruit look like 500 years ago.
Is there that what's your take on?
All that like fruit? Having been so genetically
modified in modern times like it's not even the same thing
that we had been consuming as a species in the in the distant
past not-too-distant past honestly.
So like are we even able to categorize that in the same
group? I definitely agree.
It's definitely not the same stuff, you know, like I love
pulling the studies where I'm like, oh this is what corn used
to look like it was almost a grass, you know what I mean?
Like I love breaking people's paradigms of like all this food
is good for me because, you know, it's a vegetable on my own
so it's really not what it used to be.
It's mostly sugar now and it lost all the fiber and really
you wanted enjoy corn. If you ate at years ago because
it probably just was like gritty and like gross, I pulled Roots
out or I told kids, I'm like, this is root veggies.
Like, do you want to know on this for a while?
It does that sound appetizing to you just to kind of break their
Paradigm that like some of the things we see in the store, you
know, they're made pretty, they're not what they used to
be. And like I think I've even heard
things like Ben Greenfield talking about blueberries and
when you get wild blueberries, that grow in nature, they're
smaller. So the antioxidants are supposed
to be great in them. Are going to be in the skin and
you're going to eat more of them and get more skin if they're
smaller than versus if they're big and then you're getting
more. GE and you're getting more water
and like, you know, so I definitely try to stick with
what's in my like vicinity and I'm lucky enough to live on 10
acres. So I'm lucky enough to also have
another additional 20 acres of woods behind me.
And so like my berries have been growing there for years or like
my apple tree was like my great grandfather's and like not I
don't spray anything with pesticides and so like I know
where it came from because I think to of you're going to
introduce these fruits and veggies, you have to be mindful
of the environment in which they're grown, and what they're
Sprayed with. And you know, even if one Farm
is controlling everything that they're growing, you can't say
that the farm next door isn't spraying.
There's and that's not crossing over.
I mean, are is one of our biggest exposures to a lot of
toxins air and water. And, you know, just our everyday
things. Yeah, that is very tricky.
I feel like the started going down the rabbit hole of just
removing toxins from a life, removing all the xenoestrogens,
the phyto estrogens. And it's like when you start
going down that rabbit hole, I mean you pretty much Have to go
through your entire house and throw everything away and start
fresh. Um, yeah, I had to throw my
whole house away, basically, because of the mole, we actually
just didn't read mediation this year because my house ended up
re bringing them old back for me, which was lovely, but I
didn't fix the root cause so as my fault, I guess.
But yeah, I kind of went and I'm looking at all my stuff and I'm
going to buy a new mattress and before, you know, ten years ago,
when I probably got a mattress, I didn't really think anything
about it. And now I'm like, okay well I
want to go natural like I, you know, I want the Most cleanest,
you know, like wool cotton like and then you start looking at
what a natural mattress cost and you're like, oh my God, it's
like anywhere from like 1500 to 3000 dollars for a mattress
which would have been the way they would have made it back in
the day. But now that there's emphasis on
natural is better. It's like a trillion times the
cost to what it used to be. I feel like, I feel like I'm
chips that I have to pay extra for everything that's natural
and like the way nature provided these days, he's going to make
it yourself. If I go back here, plug into
your local community, find your local mattress maker and then
just barter with them. Give them like a chicken or two.
Yeah, yeah I actually you know, working in functional medicine,
I work for dr. Will Cole and I'm one of his
practitioners and yeah. I keep telling him.
I was like the next stage of our practice is to just find land
and all of us come together and like we all have our roles and
we have like this community. So for people that are sick,
then come join our community for a while and like just heal and
like Like you know like cuz I think we would I think we do
awesome at that. I think we all have like special
skills. I think we would really like
really have a thing going there where somebody could go and heal
and we'd already have everything in place, right?
Like the, you know, somebody who sews and somebody who cooks and
somebody who grows and you know, builds with our hands because I
mean like honestly like that's got to be like the best workout
ever is moving things with your whole body.
You know, not that lifting weights doesn't have a purpose
and you can't do it, but like those whole-body movements,
Primarily a line was me as well. Yeah.
And I feel like that I mean there's so much more desire for
that. If like people whether they even
recognize it or not, I feel like there's subconscious yearns for
that sense of just community and true relationships that we've
gotten so far away from that in recent times like the, the
appeal, the Allure, the the abstract beauty of just sitting
around a campfire and talking with people face to face as
opposed to an Instagram DM or over a zoom call.
All like I don't want us to lose that because there's so much
value in that, but I feel like people have been away from that
for so long that when they do experience it they're just drawn
to it like a moth to a flame. So I think there's definitely a
push for that pitch to be scratched going forward.
Yeah. Absolutely.
We've kind of done ourselves in. I say humans.
Like humans try to like best nature and nature best Us in the
end, you know, whether we're talking the Killer Bees or like,
you know, trying to make food in a lab like all But you know, but
the worst thing I think out of all of it is this hyper
independent. So, you know, I can do anything
myself, I can do anything that anybody else can do, but when
you're doing that, you're putting the whole world on your
shoulders, right? I mean, when I hold tension,
it's always in my neck and in my shoulders and that's because I'm
holding the world on my shoulders.
And I'm a single mother of three boys.
And I been one a single mother of three boys for nine years.
So I have to, like, almost go out of my feminine role because
I'm a nurturer. I'm a Healer.
I, that is me to my core that is when I'm happy as that's when I
glow from the inside. But I have to, I have to work a
job. I have to maintain my acreage.
I have to raise these boys. I have to be the soft hand.
The hard hand do, you know, like, it's not fun.
It's they like it's, yeah, I did it.
Like, I'm doing it, like, it's great, but like, I'd give
anything to have a community, I'd give anything to, you know,
like have that kind of support so that I could just breathe or
maybe, you know, play a game or just like, you know, distressing
You know, go out and go for a walk in nature and just take it
all in and people in the past our ancestral friends, they had
that, you know, they had somebody and that gives you like
a sense of purpose, right? It's not like, oh, I'm failing
at 15 things. No, it's I thrive at this one
thing and because I thrive at this one thing, all the people
in my community benefit from it, all these people, you know, they
see the value in me because I can provide something that I'm
best at and I'm not trying to be best at everything, you know.
And I think that's so beautiful, I think.
We all have special talents. We all have things that were
great at and it Community kind of just takes the best of each
person and meld it together and the weights distributed and
there's so much stronger because of it.
Yeah, I mean, there's certainly hardships back when that was,
you know, everybody's livelihood.
But I mean, look back on it to like the people that were in
those tribal communities that were just totally
self-sufficient amongst the community of themselves.
It's like they were just happy that they had very little
physical possessions but they had everything they needed.
We're just always happy like they didn't have that much
stress. I didn't have to worry about
their bank account or their mortgage payment, like everybody
was able to just, you know, work cohesively.
And everybody was able to be just fine, right?
Like you had food was a goal, shelter was a goal, you know,
maybe healing yourself but there were even things in place for
that you know like sweat lodges that were Community done and
stuff like that and a medicine doctor who specialized in
healing was plans and using them strategically, which I really
think is plan. Its main purpose.
But yeah, and they played my friend Ste Lane.
He's also a primal health coach. We went to a retreat years ago
and he was like, 2019, maybe. And he teaches people to play
again, you know? And it's something silly, like,
Dodge the stick, right? And he'll swing it low.
And you jump over, it'll swing high and you kind of Matrix
back, you know, but like everybody was laughing,
everybody was happy and it was just like, you know, tribes did.
Prioritize play it wasn't all just like work shelter.
They did spend time just being and I think that's a beautiful
thing and it was a beautiful thing that weekend.
I never came back from a vacation so refreshed, you know?
And of course, we went to the Farmers Market on Sunday and we
got food and we cook together and we ate together.
It was just really a beautiful experience all together.
And if that was everyday life, I don't know how you could be
unhappy. Yeah, totally green.
So in your situation personally, you get the three kids, you
know, all that, you know about nutrition, you get the 10 acres
that you're trying to take care of are of and Homestead, like,
what is, what is a typical day look like for you?
Like, how have you implemented your knowledge towards all these
ancestral? You know, Health tenants and
then integrated that into how you're raising your kids.
How you're structuring your day, your routine.
Like how does that look like house that manifested for you?
One of the most beautiful things that I love about the job that I
do is I can wake up with the sunrise, you know, like I keep
the light coming in my windows and Sun Peaks, I'm usually up
with the sun, there's no alarm going off.
Like I don't start my day startled and stressed like I
start to make up, it's time to get up.
It's, you know, time to get moving but like, there's no
hurry. I still got like a whole hour
before my workday even begins and I typically get up and I sit
and I enjoy the silence, you know, I might read a little bit,
I may just kind of distress a little bit and the kids, you
know, they wake up, they usually make themselves breakfast
because of course, they still have to go to school.
We haven't quite breached the, let's home school, the children
and I don't think I can handle. Might just that on my plate just
yet. And then, you know, I eat when
I'm hungry, you know, like, I that's again, one of the nice
things about like, working from home is like I can sit there and
I'm like, huh. I feel like I need some energy
and go make it and like not have to, like, eat certain times of
the day, I usually always have my fridge stocked with, like,
some Staples. I usually have some big wild
salmon. I usually have beef, I'm
probably one of the only parents that like always has stakes in
their fridge and I like my kids, you know, like don't realize
like when we were growing up. Wasn't a thing, right?
Like you might get some like weird and lean cut of like meat.
That resembles a steak, but you didn't have like ribeyes in
there, you know, especially not grass-fed, Ribeyes probably, you
know, because when I grew up I mean, I think a commercial
farming, it already kind of taken over by then but yeah.
We kind of we kind of all eat that way.
I mean I do make some like family meals where like I really
just cook from like scratch and from Harper.
A lot of times we just kind of eat when we have the time to Cuz
I do have teenage boys at this point.
So they all work and they all have friends.
So like sometimes we're coming into the house at different
times but they grabbed the cast-iron pan, they cook
themselves up some food. And what I love is that it's
taken us years to get here, but like my kids see what I'm doing
and they see the results. I think I even just showed him a
picture within the last year of me, like, right after I had all
three of them, because they were very close together, and I was
overweight and they like they don't even remember that person.
They don't even recognize her, they don't know who she is.
Um, they've just kind of adapted and we've had our ups and downs.
And a lot of times like in the house, I just kind of keep it as
what's here is going to be things.
I approve of you go out of the house and you do what you do,
but this is what I'm bringing into the house things that I
want you to embrace. And then it have really no
argument with that. And like, my son went with my
brother the other day and had some McDonald's and he was like,
I figured once I want to be too bad, then his face broke out,
and he liked had some digestive issues and he was like, now.
Like I don't want to do that again.
Then like, I don't care to ever go there again, you know, so
they learn by their own and ones.
And I think that's probably the most, I guess, I don't know.
My most, like, strategy for teaching them is to let them
kind of learn through their own mistakes and, and let them learn
from just watching me and what I do, and why I do it.
And I just like, I randomly like, weird them out.
I don't even think they're fazed anymore.
So like I do things like beef tongue and I make that and
they've seen that in the house and they don't like the look of
it, but they still. You know, they Grumble sometimes
but what's a male field? Yeah.
And they've seen me heal several times.
So they get that and one but like the one day I was making,
so our friend, Mike Bruce taught me how to make a carnivore
waffle and you just take like ground beef and like an egg and
you put it in a blender and you put it in a waffle maker and it
kind of works like you can make breakfast sandwiches out of it.
It fills you up like all you need is one.
So I was making it of course you ground beef in a blender.
Like that it looks like pink goo and My kids walk in there.
Like, what are you doing? I was like, oh, I'm like,
mashing up some worms today, we're gonna try this, and
they're just like, okay, I didn't even like, think about
it. No, that's the way to do it.
I mean, I feel like we never you, you just simply explain it
to them and they are able to, you know, lift to their own
devices. Test it out and test against it
experiment on their own. And then if they do eat
something, they don't respond. Well to give them all kinds of
GI distress, they break out like they can put two and two
together pretty quickly and recognize that that's likely the
culprit toward and then not Want to do it again.
Yeah, my fear is that, I would be too dogmatic or be too pushy
with my beliefs and they would run the other way, right?
Like, I'd cause like the adverse thing that I didn't want to
cause. So II tried that at first and
then I kind of just opened up the doors and let them kind of
navigated themselves. You know, made him like, kind of
have that adjustment period like that reset, you know, and then
here now do what you want to do and see what happens.
And they definitely learned from that.
But one of my most favorite times is honestly, one of the
World stopped a couple of years ago and everybody stayed home
and things were shut down and it was my favorite time for a lot
of reasons. I saw people like outside again,
you know, with their families enjoying nature and that was no
different in my house. That was probably the most
ancestral. We were like, my son was back in
the creek and don't tell The Game Commission, but he was
spearing fish that he was bringing them up and we were
cooking them on the fire and like you know that's a learning
thing that he'll never get in school you know or just building
a fire from like you know by hands and not Anything to start
it and because we really weren't sure where the world was going
and I'm like, you know, we need to like, get in touch with
nature in case. Nature is going to be our home.
Like if we've got to like take off like if everything shut down
for a long time and you know, people start, you know, doing
what they do breaking into places and stealing and getting
scared. And, you know, like we need to
go in nature. So I had a backpack for each kid
ready to go. Like, so if we get a hike and
mountains, you know, like The Hammocks to sleep in them.
Like, I had everything in the back of my head.
Ed planned out for us, to just, you know, go live off the land
because I didn't really know where the world was going at
all, but they learn so much in that time period.
Yeah, that that's awesome. Do you feel like the pandemic
that was the past few years was enough of a catalyst to get
people more motivated to getting on top of their health and fall
a right nutritional protocol and just get more active, or do you
think it even made a dent? I feel like it started to, but
I'm hoping that it continues to at least For some people to
snowball and just keep growing and like, keep getting bigger,
but I know sometimes humans as soon as they can go back to
their old ways, they do if they didn't have enough of an
experience to change them, but I hope it changed a lot.
I mean, I can't, I think it's too soon to tell.
I feel like we're still living it in some levels.
I mean, he even working in the hospital.
I still have to wear a mask, so it hasn't quite gone away yet.
But everything's open again. It's like dead people.
Forget how everything was closing and They couldn't find
things in the store they needed and you know, like I don't know.
I hope that it did but I'm not 100% convinced that it did on a
big enough scale yet. Yeah what do you think is going
to be the primary driver for us on the larger scale to just
simply get back on the right trajectory from a health and
nutrition standpoint. I do think I've talked to
several people about this and I definitely think it's going to
have to come you know, Grassroots organically from the
ground up as opposed to governmentally mandated from the
top down. But I don't know if we are
building more momentum within or not.
I hope that people like you and myself can can keep spreading
the word I think that's what's going to spread it?
I don't think the higher-ups are going to come behind and just
change all their viewpoints on things.
I think, as much as I hate to say it, I'm almost afraid that
they benefit from us being sick. So I don't think there's a money
motivator behind letting people reset.
So I think it's going to have to come from people that have been
sick and healed and to keep talking.
About it and keep spreading it. So that other people be like why
won't that too and maybe try it you know maybe reach out and
hopefully we spread like a good virus, you know what I mean?
Like we're just start opening up people's minds and I think that
we the people are going to have to change it.
The nobody's going to come down and say we were wrong and these
are the new rules and you should do these things.
I mean, in fact, if anything I, you know, from some of the
higher influencers that I know people were getting their post
blocked any time that they mentioned food was doing good
things for them. I wasn't that big enough on the
Our that it happened to me, but I've seen whole accounts getting
wiped out. So hopefully we just get to
continue to spread the word and so that more people can hear
about, you know, that there are answers outside standard
medicine. There are you know that food
does play a role in your health and that yeah that they start
you know going down that path for themselves.
Totally green apart from the food like you can of the food
down in perfect. Like you like you had yet, you
still have the issue with the mold for.
Since that's not that mold is something that I feel like a lot
of people may be dealing with but they don't really know how
to pinpoint. So, like for you, how did you
pull the curtain back on that and kind of figure out what it
was and how to fix it? I did have some like increase in
symptoms. So the first time I didn't
really think mold was my problem.
I probably hung my hat on the C diff and the parasite kind of
thing. But at the same time I saw mold
and my kids bathroom and there were spots and so I called the
mold guy and he goes no. Because that's condensation mold
he's like, this is coming from your attic, there's humidity in
your attic. And so he went up there and he
thought he adjusted the ventilation.
But the reason why my attic was humid, was actually a roof leak
and that's why it came back years later, but he cleaned the
mold all in the front of my attic.
And when he cleaned that mold, I didn't know well enough, then
that I should be out of that house, right?
Because I didn't really think that that was causing any of my
symptoms, but I wasn't sure like I was kind of back and forth
with it because I was getting episodes of shortness of breath,
but it was in 2012. Auntie, like, did I have, you
know, the, you know, the flu that was going around.
I didn't know. I like, you know, was it the
mold? So I kind of just, you know,
played it off. But I was getting, like,
neuropathy in my feet. You know, just got not even like
bad, just like tingling in the evening.
Like you could just tell things were out of balance, but the
shortness of breath was probably the scariest and that tend to go
away. And I did a three-month protocol
which probably helped clear a lot of things.
And then, you know, two years later, you know, like we get
into 2022. And the the shortness of breath
was coming back. The weird feeling in my feet was
coming back. This time, I had migraines and I
just started like looking for the mold at that point.
I was like, okay, where is it? You know, like but now I was,
you know, working in functional medicine, I had that knowledge
but in the clinic we're seeing it in, probably a good 95% of
people were testing. And whether that's, you know,
because everybody spent so much time indoors for a couple years
and their homes because they weren't going out.
Out as much whether that's because our detox pathways are
getting so blocked from like all the environmental toxins and our
environment, our food and all that, or livers, just not able
to clear it because they say, like, 30% of people had like an
HL 0 HL. A gene, which is basically their
body not being able to identify mold as a threat.
So they have trouble clearing it but yet I've got 95 percent of
people that have super high levels of mycotoxins in their
urine and have symptoms of like that affecting them.
So what I'm thinking it is, The impaired detox, it's the fact
that, you know, the way we're building our homes to because
there they try to make them so energy-efficient that they over
insulate, these homes and then they can't breathe.
There's not enough air flow like one of the area's I found mold
while I was digging around the house.
As I pulled down some drywall and I pulled down the
insulation, it was on the inside of the OSB and that's in.
It wasn't like it. Rotted through from the outside
in that was from the house wedding because it didn't have
proper airflow. And then you go to look into
HRV. So a lot of these Newer homes or
the culprit. But then you've got old
basements, but at least the 1900s home, always had like a
draft, right? Like you had like some kind of
airflow but now it's so airtight that it's just like a burden on
the body. It's just too much.
A nature has a way to deal with mold mold is everywhere.
Like you're not going to avoid it.
There's no sense in becoming like scared of it per se, but we
need to be mindful that it actually really can make us
sick. So for people listening like
when what are some common symptoms?
Like if you have any type of you know, I'm old and peppermint
that's typically going to manifest itself in what way.
Like lab work. I usually always see low iron,
not that. That means every time you have
low iron, you have mold but that's usually a common thing
that if you have trouble getting that up even like I mean I was
eating carnivore and I had low iron in ferrets and I think my
favorite Tim is like nine, sometimes.
We see a lot of yeast overgrowth.
So like people like to buy coke and Dida is all from food.
Well, guess what? If you change the food and it's
still sitting there, I'm going to tell you, you're probably got
mold because those who work really well together and mold
can colonize and different places in your body.
So, Symptoms can vary. It can colonize in your gut and
then maybe you get the bloating, maybe you get the histamine
response, has the MCAS. It can Colonnades in your
sinuses and then maybe you've got like the migraines, you've
got the congestion, it can colonize in your lungs and maybe
cause some agitation there. But generally I you know, you
hear a lot more nowadays about chronic inflammatory responses
like syndrome or Sears. I think that's like one of the
biggest things and it may take a while to get there.
But like if you've Not that much information going on that you're
kind of chronically stuck in this, like inflamed State, no
matter what you do, and no matter what you're eating, it's
probably at least worth route like rolling out mold, you know,
even if you don't see it in your house, it can hide.
It can even be a past exposure as a child.
I know a lot of people were exposed in their childhood homes
and because they never cleared it from their body, they're
still sick as adults. What about mold and confit is
that, is there a lot of Truth to that?
Or is that just a bunch of fear-mongering?
I think there's a lot of Truth in that it is The coffee and the
grains, a lot of nuts like cashews peanut butter, they're
definitely there. I've been on a whole danger
coffee Dave, asprey kick because it has fallback minerals in it,
which kind of help with detox as well.
And it kind of has some electrolytes, but I definitely
think we should be testing it. I definitely at least would
stick to a single origin, you know, Blend or not, a blend
single origin, like, Arabic coffee, like, no blend because
if it's a blended, can sit around for a while, but if it's
single origin, It might be from like one source.
They might get it on the Shelf sooner, but I definitely think
that coming from foods is a thing.
But I think as far as like the really sick people, I'm going to
say it's your house and most likely that your foods not the
biggest contributor to it, but it does.
If you have mold colonized in your body and you're eating
moldy Foods, your body can see that.
It's competition and almost throw more toxins and it makes
you feel worse. Gosh, and mold in the house is
not like if in your bath make, if you look above your share.
There's a lot of condensation that you got a little bit of
surface mold that's not extend them.
What we're talking about here, it can do it and that's that's
the common misconception. Everyone thinks they have to
have black mold for it to make them sick and what we're
learning is aspergillus and penicillium, if they can get
high enough counts and the house that they can spread in enough,
places, that burden can be enough to make you sick.
And that a lot of times is surface mold.
That was what was in every closet of my house.
It had flat paint and I say it's because there was moisture above
Moisture below that the porous material in between the two like
absorbed it. And that's why these walls got
it because when you have like a satin paint, it's kind of hard
for mold to adhere because you kind of have like a protective
layer and it needs to get its roots in.
It's really no such thing as surface mold, like it's got a
route Network. Like if you look up like, give
the fungal Network in a Woods, like what you see on the
surface, there's a hundred times below the surface going on as
far as, like, roots and networking, and, and spreading.
So, but every one of my closets had surface mold, Old and I was
still very very sick. I probably did have statue mold
because of where that roof leak was.
But I think I mean the highest molds on the air sport has that
I had done in the house was actually the aspergillus and the
penicillium and that was consequently, the highest molds
that I had in my body as well. So what like when you go into
your house and you're seeing all this like what do you do?
I mean you just like have to get your entire house redone.
Like that seems like a huge headache.
I want it to burn. All down.
Imagine that people looked at me and said, that wasn't a feasible
option. So I I started and did what I
could do. It probably cost me close to
15,000 dollars to remediate, which is actually pretty low, on
the spectrum of things. But I basically had to find
like, the highest sources of the molds.
The mold guy came in, there was a big Source in the basement.
Part of it was finished. He removed that and course you
have do like a negative pressure system so it doesn't spread.
Add further in the house because sometimes when you use to sturb
mold, it can actually spread like more.
So you don't really want to like spray it with molar with bleach
because you're actually just like threatening it and it's
going to throw spores. So it survives and it's going to
spread 15 more places. So we had some errors, we had to
cut out, I obviously had to fix that roof leak at in my attic as
well and then rip out some moldy inflammation.
Put a new drywall. They say, anything porous.
You should technically cut out and remove so technically I
should have removed Of every closet of drywall.
If I was probably doing it by the book, but budget said you
don't have that much money Kelly.
And so, I took some borax cleaner.
I took some natural cleaners like EC3 and bristle brush and I
scrub the crap out of that drywall.
And then I tried to use like Sherwin-Williams paint or like
mold resistant paint, which probably had a ton of toxins in
it, but I was more concerned about the mold and the toxins at
that point and that's basically that Was a lot of it, but I
guess the worst part of that whole thing was, every time I
peel back a layer, I would find more.
So anything porous. I threw away.
So, the mattresses the couches had, I had leather couches,
maybe I would have had a chance at cleaning them, but I had
fabric. So I tossed them.
And I wiped out down every wall of my house with that borax and
the EC3 or thymus, I'd anything natural, it would kill mold.
So I would take everything out of a room, everything and put it
in like a dirty room. And then I would clean the
walls, clean the trim and clean. If the floor, if I had carpet,
the carpet had gotten removed and I put new flooring in which
led to me finding some mold actually under the carpet
because my washer overflowed once and it went into the
bedroom and that created black mold.
So I wouldn't have even known that was there.
Had I not remove the carpet and I once I cleaned the room, I
would clean every individual thing and put it back in and
basically threw away anything. I didn't feel like cleaning or
that I was over. It really, really can be an
entire nightmare. That's probably the worst thing
I've ever gone through as far as my healing Journey thus far.
Yeah, it sounds insane. Like I don't even know if I'd
want to live in the same house again.
Yeah II basically because I like my home is on family property.
It's like right adjacent to my mother's and I was like look if
in four years like I'm not better like if I can't get my
body where I want it to be or I find any more mold.
I'm I'm leaving. I am burning this place down.
I'll get an RV. I don't like, I don't know
what's gonna happen. But, you know, all I can do is
know, like how powerful mindset is and know that I did the best
that I could and just be positive about it and just be
excited about the things I can be excited about, you know, like
I did get to update some things after, you know, living there
for 11 years and just, and just hope for the best.
I mean, it doesn't is not going to do me any good to be worried
every day. So I have to just breathe.
Breathe and just have that positive mindset and roll with
the punches and see what happens.
No, totally. So when did all that go down,
like, have you just several years ago was just recent.
This was recent. I actually just went home
shortly in January. I want to say, I just went back
into the house. I stayed with my mom for three
months while I went through that nightmare.
So you probably have not spent a lot of Snuffy.
There's a been a tangible difference made yet I wouldn't
guess. Well yeah, I feel like my body
would change because So many variables.
So, like, when I started staying at my mom's, I don't know if I
started detoxing, but like my eyes would get bloodshot.
My face would break out, but I didn't have the shortness of
breath anymore. I didn't have the migraines
anymore. So like my symptoms kind of
shifted and as I go maybe I'm just clearing things but truth
be told. I didn't even start the mold
protocol like to clear things from my body yet because I was
cleaning down there still and I was exposing myself all the
time. So I did a little bit of like
glutathione little bit of a binder, you know, did some like
so. Shawna did some things.
I know that help the body. Clear it.
But I didn't go through the whole thing yet that's coming up
about. Now I need to get on that horse
and order everything I need to order and go through it but
lately I think I mean I've been back a few weeks now and I feel
I don't have any migraines so those haven't come back.
I don't have any neuropathy and my face is finally starting to
clear up. So I'm hoping fingers crossed
that things have definitely made a positive shift.
I've also been doing a sauna called the haka Sada.
And I feel like that's helped a lot, too.
So what is the Hawkins on that? I never heard that.
So the Hockett sauna has a basically like multiple devices
within. It's a steam sauna that you sit
in which I tend to get dehydrated in a traditional
sauna, I probably do okay in a red light so Anna.
But I don't always sweat in a red light sauna.
So, dr. Cole, took the team and I to
Cleveland to this fall which is like a biohacking spa and they
had this hakkasan. I tried it.
Down. I absolutely loved it.
So you have the Steam and the steam opens up everything and
then it drops ozone, which is oxygen rich, basically water
that you absorb. And when you have pathogens,
they deplete your oxygen levels because they don't thrive in a
high oxygen environment. So it almost goes through like
an antimicrobial and just wipes anything out, you know, like
parasites, viruses, anything like that.
It's supposed to help with and you can't breathe in Ozone.
You don't want to get into your lungs, so that's why your head
sticks out and they kind of have like a towel there but you can
put it in the body and it does really well.
That's kind of some, the same principle is like, you know,
maybe doing a hyperbaric, you know, therapy is to get more
oxygen in the body because it'll help the body heal faster.
And then it also has red light. So you have that aspect going
helping leg lower inflammation and help getting a good sweat on
as well with the Steam and then you have P EMF in there too,
which is like pulsed. Electromagnetic.
Frequencies. And they actually have a lot of
settings where they can kind of Target it.
Like, do you feel like your lymphatic system is slow?
Let's run this frequency. Oh you feel like you need an
immune system boost. Let's run this frequency and
overall, I don't hurts a lot from it, which I love, because
if you are going through a biotoxin kind of protocol trying
to get rid of a pathogen, you're like, oh my God, I took these
meds and I feel like I'm dying. But that must mean it's clearing
out of my body. That's not what you want.
You want to, you want to feel good and you want to detox low
and slow because you really don't want to stress.
Body out you want to kind of just gently, push it in the
direction, it needs to go because it obviously with that
stress, you're going to get like the whole vagal tone disruption.
You're gonna get stuck in that fight and flight and your body's
not going to heal. Yeah.
So you don't want to hurt us but yeah that's the hawk.
It's on. It's pretty amazing.
Yeah I'm at the check that out. So like the ultimate biohacking
song for sure. I think it's my favorite thus
far and I've done it all. I didn't cry.
Oh, I've done. I did the Hyperbaric.
I like IVs sometimes to just just Give my body a little bit
of a boost but that's probably my favorite out of all of them
so far. Yeah, I like that for sure.
And definitely check that out. Well, what sketchy excited?
Now, like with with everything you got going on you get you
back in your house. So that's obviously super
exciting. When you were with your mom or
you like peeling. A rugs and tearing down her
drywall to see if she had any mold in her house to it has
become a thing. Yeah, I was actually staring at
the basement ceiling. She has a bathroom down there
that's finished and I was like, you have a water leak there and
she's like, yeah. But Caught it early.
I'm like, mold can grow within 24 hours and I'm just like
staring at it. I'm like, I don't know.
Mom. She's like I have AC and I
haven't had problems since I had the AC will then like it was
like a week later the water line started growing down the ceiling
and I was like, you got to kind of out like you know, she did
have somebody come look at it and it's crazy too because like
it mold is a very real thing and the fact that not everybody
suffers the same way and the fact that not everybody responds
the same way to it. People tend to not believe you
and they tend to Gaslight you and they tend to call you
emotional. The mold guy, the remediate, ER,
actually called me emotional. And I was like, I think I'm
pretty logical. Like, I've dealt with emotional.
Like I've had a lot of clients over the years that, you know,
like are just their vagal tone and their vagal response is just
pewter doubt and like, everything like affects their,
their responses, emotionally, and their hormones are out of
whack. I'm pretty reasonable.
I just, I had problems when he told me to do things and then he
like took it I can try to be like no, no, don't worry about
it now. What do you mean?
Don't worry about it. Now you just said to do it that
way and I of course did my own research.
So I would. So I just think he didn't like
the the opposition. I don't think he's used to
having people being like, I'm an opinion about this.
And if you follow somebody like Michael Rubino, who's like, you
know, the mold remediation King, like gold standard of, and then
you get some local guy in there and you're like, okay I need the
compromise. I can't quite Michael Rubino
this but I can't quite do it at your level.
Either I need you to meet me in the middle and I think that's
Trust. I'm out.
Yeah, me shoot. He probably most his clientele
probably do not have a clue how big of an impact it can have on
their health. So you're much more motivated to
get fixed. Well, yeah.
Like even with testing, you know, it's like testing tells us
so much, right? So the day he came to like are
Spore test, my house, my dumb, but forgot to shut the window
because I always sleep with the window open.
So, I like the Kohler are I like the fresh air, so I forgot to
shut my windows. I forgot to turn my air filter
off and those are all things. It should be done before your
house is tested for mold and like you think he would have
walked in? And then like Kelly dummy head,
like I'm coming back. Like this is not ideal but he
didn't. He ran the test anyway and then
like where he ran the tests, like he ran it in my living
room. Like, it's not even like a water
damaged room like, you know, the leaks and my bathroom.
Like I just felt like he was almost trying to give me a
positive spin on the results. Like it ain't really that bad.
But even with him testing and like the weird areas that he did
and with the filter running, they were still super hot.
Hi. So I knew it was bad, you know,
but then like you get a lot of people that are like oh you
know, we I don't have statue mold because it didn't show up
on the airs test and it's like well then we run Labs like we
run like a pathogen and your immune system is reacting to
black mold and I'm like I'm going to say you have black
mold. I'm going to say that it's a
heavy mold and it doesn't circulate as well as some of the
other ones. And that's why it didn't show up
on the Air, Sports Fest and you got to start looking at your
house real close and thinking, where could that be hiding?
Because I think it's there, do you think Worthwhile for like
everybody to just proactively get a mold test on their house.
I mean whether or not they seem old present like it's probably,
it's probably where they wouldn't see it, right?
Yeah. It's very good at hiding.
Like I had a water spot on my ceiling but obviously, the mold
was on the other side. You know, I never liked broke
through and I didn't see it and I can hide in Corners, you know,
that's where moisture tends to gather.
So like, you know, in my closet, I saw a couple spots but then I
looked in the corner and I was like, oh, there it is.
You know, so you tend to not notice that it can definitely go
under the radar, I mean my house didn't smell musty, it didn't
smell gross. It you know the house was only
Built 11 years ago, age doesn't really matter either because
like I said, you know, can start within 24 hours.
I don't know that everyone needs to go out and panic about it and
do a test. But if you're struggling with
illness and it's not healing, you can always test your body
first to you could always run, like, Great Plains has a
mycotoxin test that we find is pretty reliable.
You could, you could run that and see where you fall in the
spectrum of And then if we find it, you know, then maybe it's
the start looking at. Okay.
Do I think it was this house but I think it was a past exposure,
you know. Do I think it colonized or, you
know, his toxins can make anybody sick if they're high
enough? When just running through your
body? It does not mean necessarily
that they always colonize the people that I know that it's
colonised in usually have like the candida, the yeast
overgrowth, you know? Like it's showing up as like, a
fungal infection in their body, a lot of time.
So not everybody is necessarily going to have it colonized
Sighs. But it could still be making
them not feel great too if that makes sense.
Gotcha. Well, I feel pretty good right
now but I'm definitely go home after this podcast and like just
start peaking in places and corners and make sure that I
don't have anything growing. Where didn't know was growing.
Yeah, you always check the wet rooms your bathrooms, you know,
like if you've had a tub overflow, check the adage, like
adjacent room, you know, stuff like that, you know, under your
cabinets, you know, because sometimes those pipes tend to
leak or hold moisture base. Men's are obviously always a
good one too. I'm going to are sport.
Testing 8 so bad but ideally like to have it done in the
summer when like mold is thriving versus the winter, when
it's kind of little more dormant because like my symptoms showed
up in like June to August. So I'm not even retesting the
house until probably July because that's about similar to
the time that I had. It tested the first time.
And I want the same, like factors comparing because what
you'll do is run an outside test and then you'll run, maybe some
of the like water rooms in the house.
Like the Bathrooms the laundry room, the kitchen, and then
you'll compare those levels to the outside.
And if you've got like, double triple the amount inside versus
what's outside, then your house is growing it.
Yeah, no, it's good to know for sure.
I think like this so much. This would be totally obscure to
people and they could have no idea what to pinpoint cause, I
mean, who thinks of automatically going to mold as
the primary culprit for one enough, feeling good.
But but this makes sense. So, yeah.
I think this is worth of information, for sure.
So, apart from, yeah, Able to invite a cond Ria and it's
terrible to your cellular function and it reactivates a
lot of other viruses like EBV, maybe even lime that went
dormant. So it really just it puts a toll
on the body as a whole. Yeah, hundred percent.
So. Apart from getting back in your
house, what else is? It gets you excited going into
the year? Um, I don't know.
I I mean I'm excited because I love my job and, you know, I
love what I do and I'm able to like reach a lot more people
these days and my son turns 18 this year, so I'm releasing one
of the children to the Wild and so that's kind of exciting and
I'm trying to plan a good travel trip with the kids.
I want to go out west and, you know, get some time in nature.
But yeah, I mean, I'm just kind of excited to maybe get feeling
better and to start enjoying life.
If again because like I said, I've been kind of sick for like
the last year and I'm ready to be back to me so well hopefully
you make a full recovery in her back to you and kicking butt in
no time. Yeah, I'm already feeling
better. So I think it's you know it's
just taking it slow and day by day and just supporting detox
man. All y'all need to support your
detox. You know, that's one of the
ancestral things that we definitely lost touch with, you
know, saunas are great and amazing things, and they're not
even just like indigenous in nature.
Like we've seen him over and like Europe.
You know, of course that like the cold plunge has a Swiss love
their saunas and they're cold plunges.
I think it's something we've got away from that.
We should definitely bring back and just you know helping the
body do its job. Yeah.
Couldn't agree. More could not agree more well.
Kelly what do people go to find out more about you dive into
your world and follow along. I'm on Instagram.
I'm the real food, Rebel spell, Delle Erbe, sorry spelled re Vol
at the end there. I'm also a doctor will col.
So usually you can buy me through one of Those post
somewhere but yeah mostly Instagram is where I hang out
these days. Awesome.
Well I would definitely link out to your Instagram killing.
It has been an absolute Joy chatting with you.
I'm gonna keep following along. Learn more about mold, learn
more about your recovery and if there's ever anything I can do
for you by all means, let me know.
Yeah, it was so nice to talk with you today.
I appreciate you my pleasure take care.
Alright. Have a great day.