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Hello, ladies and gents Roberts.
Thanks kiddo, Savage.com. 

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And today I'm get special guest.
Zach Griffith on the line, I've 

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had him on the pound podcast 
long time ago. 

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Probably about two years ago. 
Now we talked about hunting, we 

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talked about Bo we talked all 
kinds about Bo specifics 

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techniques, what makes a good 
bow hunter a great Bow Hunter 

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and how that's a little bit 
different than traditional, you 

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know, rifle hunting and things 
of that nature that are more 

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mainstream and we talked a 
little bit about family life. 

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You just had two new boys on the
way he's got at six kids now 

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total. 
So I talked about that. 

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That's a topic. 
I don't know very much about it.

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Also how he juggles everything 
with six kids is incredibly 

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impressive. 
To me we talked about nutrition 

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and fitness. 
He is he is doing all kinds of 

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experiments when it comes to 
nutrition, he's done keto, he's 

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done very high carving, just got
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protocol so I wanted to pick his
brain as to what some things 

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are. 
That he's noticed with that. 

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We talked a little bit about the
state of the world right now, 

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how to maintain positivity, 
amidst all the chaos that we are

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in. 
And we just talked about life in

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general, thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

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I've got a lot of respect for 
Zach and I have no doubt that 

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you will enjoy the podcast. 
So without further Ado, sit 

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back, relax and enjoy the 
conversation with Zach Griffith 

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and Zack were lab. 
How are you brother? 

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I'm very good man. 
Appreciate the opportunity to 

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chat with you again. 
Yeah. 

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Man's can have you back on? 
I think It's been probably like 

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two years since we spoke last on
podcast and a lot has happened 

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in your life since then, man. 
Yeah, I just added a couple more

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babies to the roster. 
I got six kids now, so I'm 

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rolling deep. 
I've got two boys. 

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Find they had four daughters and
then I had two little twin boys.

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So they're four months old and, 
you know, things just got real 

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around our house. 
You got a little boundaries 

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dream. 
I have boys. 

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No matter what. 
Even keep trying to stay ahead 

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boys. 
Yeah, I was, the wife wasn't 

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quite as on board but yeah, you 
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took me took me five tries but I
got it done with a bang the last

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time. 
Their tank farm in multiple 

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doses. 
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their kids, mean, what's it 
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Like, I can't even begin to 
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Then. 
Well, where I'm a, we're a split

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family, I'm divorced. 
So I've got the older 3r I share

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time with their mom and Phoenix,
they're all teenagers, 110 year 

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old the others, you know, 
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So when I get them back it's 
Paradise because I as crazy as 

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it might sound and as hectic as 
it sounds, it's so cool to be a 

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dad and come home to a Full 
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Of just noise and chaos and and 
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It's just it's just awesome man.
Like that's the older I get the 

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more I appreciate stuff like 
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I just love my kids and I love 
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they're a pain in the ass and 
just awesome. 

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So they came up for the summer 
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little brothers. 
And so, yeah, I got 15 year old,

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and I've got to 24 months old. 
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motions and drama. 
She just started driving. 

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And then Ways are just barely 
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to start eating rice this week. 
We're going to go meet with 

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their doctor tomorrow and get 
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So they're going from there, you
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breast milk and milk and formula
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So, yeah, it's crazy, man. 
Just just living the dream. 

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And how do you juggle thence 
with like also owning the 

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business and then all that you 
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I mean, there's just a lot of, a
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Yeah, I mean, we talked about 
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I I don't brag about it, it's 
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Get up at 3:00 every day man. 
I just get up and get shit done.

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It's just go right. 
I'm not tired. 

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I don't I hate sleeping. 
It seems like such a waste of 

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time and I go to bed around 9:00
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6 hours is enough for me to 
thrive and I get all my Zack 

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stuff done in the mornings 
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And then I'm in the office and 
work my tail off, and don't 

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waste time, and don't jack 
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And then get out of here early 
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around the house. 
So, it's Just about prioritizing

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and being very consistent, I'm a
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Man it does. 
Every day is Groundhog Day for 

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me, even Sundays, I still get up
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I still just I just have a 
regimen and I'm happier when I 

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follow that regimen. 
It's self-diagnosed OCD in a way

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like vacations are hard for me 
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normally is and my alarm clock 
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I mean, it's like I just like 
systems and just consistency and

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repetition, it's just how it's 
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So it's not as hard as you think
it did, take a couple weeks to 

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tweak it. 
And the boys were, they didn't 

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sleep real. 
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Well, they slept great. 
They just were hungry every 

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couple hours. 
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little 30-minute feeds, every 
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So the first month or two was 
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But I just, you know, just 
wrapped up and got through it, 

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you know, just make it happen. 
And I appreciate that man. 

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Like, throughout every chapter 
of my life, people have always 

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said and I know you've 
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like people will say, oh, it 
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have a job or it must be nice 
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I must be nice until you reach a
certain age, but there's like, 

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like you don't buy into that 
shit like, you know, who you 

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are, you know, what you stand 
for, and you don't make excuses 

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and you make it work 100%. 
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I want to, like, I think it's 
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when someone says, where do you 
find the motivation to get up at

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three? 
Go to the gym. 

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And I just like, I do You know 
where I find? 

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I want to. 
I look fi like, if I get up to 

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go, take a leak at one of my. 
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I gotta sleep for 2 more hours. 
Like I just want to go train. 

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I want to get up and get shit, 
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I like to go to work. 
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to me, like, I don't do anything
in my life, that I don't like to

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do. 
I really don't. 

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I mean, baby pay taxes, but I'm 
always after you with that, you 

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know, like I am not motivated. 
I just do what I do. 

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Like if I'm, you know, it's like
going to bed and I'm tired. 

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Okay. 
You go to sleep, like someone 

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should say, why do you go to 
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Or how do you find the 
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I just say, well, I'm tired. 
So I go to bed, you know? 

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Like that's how I feel about my 
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of easy for me. 
Just like you said, to not make 

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excuses and just fit things in 
because if you want something, 

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you'll make it work. 
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make excuses you'll Dodge around
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You'll know the delegate or or 
put it off, you know. 

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It's it's pretty simple. 
You know when you know you with 

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your clear with your focus, you 
see what Need what needs to be 

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done. 
And the next morning, you're 

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just switch your regimen. 
You make you fit in you go. 

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You know, that's it. 
Are there anything that the kids

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like doing that? 
You personally just don't care 

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for it. 
All you feel like it's a waste 

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of time, but you do it anyways 
because it's family time, at the

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end of the day, you know, my 
kids are all, you know, they're 

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very current with like their 
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So they spend a lot of times on 
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family-oriented, the teenagers. 
So I kind of have to get them 

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involved whether it's Taking 
them out to dinner or going on a

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family. 
Hi, we live on a mountain so we 

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just go climb the hill behind 
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the boys for me. 
I just have to literally it 

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sounds horrible, but I just have
to block out time in my night 

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where I say for the next two 
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I'm helping my wife and I'm 
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Whether it's laying next to him 
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to them, making eye contact. 
It's just I'm just a robot. 

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So I have to plan that stuff in 
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half-assing you and I mean if I 
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5:00 next. 
Two hours, phones off playing 

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with the boys. 
You know, I can get it done and 

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I feel like you know whatever it
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Result is all that matters so 
just kind of have to block it 

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out. 
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in the morning man from three to
seven is like you got to hold on

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and cherish that because that's 
same for me, like my most 

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productive hours throughout the 
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early morning hours before the 
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I could just zero in on, 
whatever I can get In front of 

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me and have no distraction and 
get things done. 

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Yeah, it for and four hours is 
like, I mean, that's so much 

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time dude, that's so much prep 
your meals, do your cardio, do 

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your weights, do yourself, you 
know, introspection meditation, 

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whatever you need me for hours, 
like that's a, that's a whole 

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day that's like no one has four 
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Most people have an hour or two 
of discretionary time but if you

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block your time out and you get 
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know, don't waste time in 
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and it It's that, you know, it's
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part of my day but I pray that 
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It's a my tones me down, it gets
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It's just like an 
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time for me to just get grounded
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and most people work, an 
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I may spend five of those hours 
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So that anyone once you have 
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time to work with, you get 
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the most of that time. 
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And and your efficiency gets 
even better with those things as

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you go because you're constantly
saying oh I didn't I didn't 

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realize I'm wasting time doing 
that. 

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I can cut that out. 
You know. 

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I mean it's just like dieting. 
I'm not as lean as I want to be 

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well. 
Where can I cut first? 

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Where was the most painless meal
to cut from? 

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Oh I'm never hungry. 
There's time. 

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So on that one I just trimmed 
back you know cut portion sizes 

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or remove a something you know 
it's always it's just you just 

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constant adaptation constant 
Improvement. 

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Inventory. 
You know what I mean? 

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Totally talk to me about the 
movement. 

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Like, last time we spoke. 
You had not yet moved to your 

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new place in Utah. 
Correct. 

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Yep. 
Yeah, we build a big custom home

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and that was the crazy 
experience for a couple to go 

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through between the working with
Builders coordinating financing.

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Its ahead of construct 
constructions terrifying. 

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It's just it's just a mess you 
know it's Murphy's Law, 

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everything will go wrong and we 
we went through hell and back 

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but we got our Dream Home out of
it and we were in there for two 

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years now, almost on the dot. 
And it's been, it's been awesome

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man. 
It's been great. 

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Just building a little nest and 
having a cool place to have the 

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kids around. 
And we designed the home from 

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the ground up. 
So it's got everything we wanted

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and it's in the ideal location. 
So yeah, it's a, it's awesome 

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man. 
Helps me stay motivated every 

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day to kick ass at work and 
provide sort of a legacy or just

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a cool cool place for my kids to
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Can you run smack dab in the 
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Yeah, right on the side of the 
hill and the unit, I'll actually

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live in an open dear unit. 
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hunt deer out of our yard. 
We are off our off, our back 

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porch legally. 
It's a, it's a depredation hunt.

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There's a lot of deer in the 
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Urban deer and so they're trying
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So there's very specific archery
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deer, you know, from from your 
from your yard or within Hulk, 

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you know, homes. 
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Complaints. 
You're not violating, you know, 

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other people's freedoms. 
It's a been really cool. 

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So, couple of the neighbor kids 
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back, porch. 
Let's color in the perks of 

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archery hunting. 
You don't really interfere with 

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the neighbors livelihood that 
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No. 
No, it's funny. 

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I shoot my bow out, in the 
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I have an acre but to get the 
yardage. 

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I want a sub step out in the 
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So the neighbors drive by and 
they're always inquisitive and 

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they'll stop. 
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bold, and I'll introduce myself 
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Link and then let them know. 
Hey, we hunt here just so, you 

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know, and you wouldn't believe 
how many people are like. 

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Oh, I didn't even know. 
There was a deer. 

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Here it is. 
I'm like they're they're they're

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pooping on your grass man. 
You know, how do you not see 

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that? 
Like they're everywhere. 

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But it just the common guys just
their they're oblivious to 

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hunting and us up there in our 
camo just scurrying around the 

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mountain side. 
They don't even. 

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I mean, they don't even know, 
it's just blows my mind. 

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So I've confronted him about it.
So but I'm just trying to break 

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down barriers. 
Let him know what I'm doing. 

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Can't you know help them 
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conservationists and that we're 
responsible and that we're 

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homeowners or not bloodthirsty. 
And we're we're dads, and we 

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have kids and it's a legacy, and
a tradition. 

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And, you know, it's been really 
cool thing because that all the 

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neighbors that are adjacent to 
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and even to the point where 
they'll come over and check them

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out. 
And we've given them me and, you

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know, kind of like a little 
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hunting. 
Remember, last time we spoke we 

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talked about hunting as a form 
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conservation. 
Action and now so many people 

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don't view it in that light, but
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gotten a lot more publicity as 
of late, especially with like, 

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Joe Rogan and campaigns putting 
out content Non-Stop about how 

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hunting can be so great. 
There's so many other people. 

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So many influences, like, 
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the content. 
It seems like the mainstream 

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public is starting to grasp. 
Hold of that now. 

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Yeah, I think, I think they're 
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grounders, you know, people that
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come from traditional, Families.
But I feel like it's definitely 

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more polar now than it's ever 
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So like the far left there more 
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they have more content to feel 
their fire. 

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They have their platforms ramped
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Just like we do. 
So, you know, if you look at a 

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spectrum like the hot has gotten
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colder, but I feel like we're 
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Lukewarm mid-range type guys 
towards honey, because guys like

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Joe Rogan who's, you know, 
pretty middle grounded as far as

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like his politics and social. 
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explaining the big picture 
behind, and I feel like he's 

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probably the best Ambassador out
there for hunting right now 

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because he's not sponsored, he's
not, he's not a mouthpiece for a

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big bow company. 
He's just a cool-ass guy knows a

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lot about everything respected 
by all. 

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And he's just given a really 
good unbiased First, first-hand 

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Express, you know, 
interpretation of what it all 

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is, and he's spot on, dude, I 
mean you Really is a good 

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Hunter. 
He's a great shoots of Bill 

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religiously, and he's killed 
some huge shit. 

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So he's got my respect as a 
hunter and has every every right

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to voice his opinion and kind of
corralled the troops around 

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around the real, the, real 
meaning behind it. 

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I've met you'll never meet a bow
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you know, beer drinking redneck,
you know, Savage out, just 

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killing stuff. 
Bow Hunters are much more 

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calculated in conservation 
minded and All in, that's a 

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year-round thing for them. 
It's a cultural thing. 

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You know, it's very, very 
all-encompassing, you know. 

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So, I've been always been a big 
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mean, it's like, if you were to 
dissect hunting on a holistic 

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level, like, but hunting is the 
art form of hunting. 

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There's art forms involved with 
other other disciplines of 

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hunting but bow hunting. 
Specifically, like it's I've got

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a lot of respect for it because 
it correlates so well, with what

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I've learned in bodybuilding. 
I mean, you have to be 

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disciplined, you have to be 
consistent. 

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Have to be, you know, just on, 
on your game when it comes to, 

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you know, staying in shape be on
top of your nutrition, be able 

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to hike up and down Mountain 
Cliffs and be consistent with 

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your shot placement. 
Like you can't, you can't skip 

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shooting your bow for eight 
months out of the year and then 

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expect to be on point when it's 
when the time comes to put a 

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well-placed shot on a minimal 
hundred percent. 

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Yeah. 
And a rifle you can you can set 

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your rifle in the case and take 
it out the night before the hunt

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and make sure it's the you know,
hitting its Mark and then go do 

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go handle business in the 
morning bows. 

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Are they there? 
Little more demanding than that 

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and not just like you said that 
the practicing where you're 

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maintaining your muscle memory 
and the twist, you know, the 

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strength in your arms and a 
focus. 

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The the we there's very there's 
a lot of repetitions in boat, 

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bow hunting, where you're 
drawing the bow, you're 

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anchoring, you're resting. 
You're citing your it's a 

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they're all systems and you have
to have those like just 

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secondhand they have to become 
part of you but also your 

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equipment. 
It demands more time. 

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You can't just pick up a bow and
just go launch. 

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You've got to have your boat. 
To do, you have to have your 

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arrows have to be straight and 
fletched and your broad heads 

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out to be sharp. 
And you know what I mean 

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everything has to be loyal and 
functioning properly and 

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optimally and you have to be on 
top of it for that to happen. 

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It's not just going to sit in 
the case for eight months and 

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then just pull it out and work 
for you bows. 

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Demand a lot more attention. 
So it's a physical thing, it's a

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mechanical thing. 
It's a mental thing and it's 

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challenging as hell. 
Like you said, like very, very 

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similar to bodybuilding in that 
respect. 

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It's very similar to 
bodybuilding, it's not Show by 

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most because it is kind of a 
fringe culture. 

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But man, when you meet a bow 
hunter and you know there are 

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real bow hunter not just you 
know quote unquote are quote, 

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bowhunter, you're like 
bodybuilder, you know, you're 

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like okay, we're instantly 
buddies because the whole world,

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you know, you just zoned out 
like 99% of the BS if you got to

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the meat on the bone and you can
and, you know, empathize with 

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each other and really relate 
because you both been down that 

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path. 
What do you think is the 

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defining moment? 
That characterizes, somebody as 

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a boat Hunter like I love bow 
hunting but I'll be the first to

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admit that I'm pretty new and 
bowhunting. 

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I've been hunting my whole life.
Bow hunting has been something. 

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I've only picked up in the past 
few years and I don't think I 

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even get the right to call 
myself a bow hunter yet. 

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So like your mind, what is it 
that that categorizes somebody 

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has a bow hunter? 
Well, you know, that's a good 

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question. 
I mean not to sound like an 

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elitist in any way because it 
because it is, there are levels 

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of quote-unquote Bowhunters. 
I think it's more just once 

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you've made the switch in your 
mind that you Want to do it that

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way. 
I think the day you have a rifle

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laying next to a bow and you 
grab a bow. 

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You're a bow hunter because 
you're choosing the harder 

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route. 
You're saying, I'm committing to

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go this way even though I could 
do the easier thing. 

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It's, I love rival hunting, 
don't get me wrong. 

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I've killed tons of stuff with 
my guns and I love rifle hunting

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and in Utah. 
In the west, you get different 

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hunting permits based on 
weapons. 

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So you can get special bow 
permit. 

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You can get special rifle 
permits, but But you're, you 

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know, when you get a rifle 
permit it's a lot higher success

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rates, the trophy qualities are 
higher because you have no 

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better better reach. 
You can get out there and 

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connect whereas the bow hunting 
maybe you don't have the same 

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trophy potential you have a lot 
more difficulty Harvest rates 

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are lower so I feel like you've 
reached the bow hunter status 

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when you choose to bow hunt when
you have other options honestly.

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And for each person, that's a 
different level. 

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I mean, we're all, you know, at 
different levels in our bow 

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hunting career, You learn as you
go, the more stocks you fell on 

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the the more you relish, those 
close calls to the eventual 

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connection where you actually 
Harvest an animal. 

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I mean, you're basically just 
building an archers education 

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that's that's unique to you and 
it's doesn't matter to anyone 

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else because there's no 
pedigree, there's no diploma on 

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the wall. 
It's basically just memories and

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skills and, you know, knowledge 
that you're just stacking up in 

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your head. 
So I think Once you just make 

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the, the the switch down that 
path, your you're already there,

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it's just how far that path you 
go. 

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That really kind of determines 
what kind of bow hunter, you 

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are, and totally. 
I mean, I'm used to hunting in 

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Arkansas, which is all pretty, 
pretty thick. 

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I mean, my longest shots like, 
200 300 yards tops but a lot of 

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it is like in a Thicket, you 
know? 

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So I could just as easily be 
within bow range but be using a 

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Muzzleloader or like a slug gun 
or something close range rifle, 

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but I've done a lot of hunting 
out west here lately and then 

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has Totally increase, my pre, 
she a ssion for successful? 

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Bow hunting. 
Because hung out west, where 

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you're in Open Country. 
I mean, any shot that are any 

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any animosity. 
I'm like, man, I could totally 

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knock that thing down with a 
rifle butt to get within 3040, 

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you know, 50 yards with a bow. 
It's like a whole nother sport. 

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Yeah, 100%. 
And I never, ever, ever want to 

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be like you said an elitist or 
I'm only a bow hunter become as 

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man, dude, if if you're out 
hunting and you're using a slug 

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gun or you're in a tree stand, 
Dad or your hunting over Texas 

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corn. 
Feeder and you're smiling, dude,

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you're doing it right? 
That's the whole point of it. 

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It's a fulfillment. 
We're we're set. 

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We're on this order to provide 
when we got hunter-gatherers, 

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man. 
That's just what we do. 

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And I would never judge someone 
for loving the way they do it 

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because I've done it all and 
it's all fun and I've shot pigs 

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04, feeders. 
And I had a blast and I shot him

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out of helicopters. 
And I mean you you name it, 

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there's lots of ways to get 
there, but the bow hunting for 

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me. 
Personally, it's just been a 

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little bit more rewarding 
because It takes a lot more 

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commitment, especially out west,
where, like you said, just 

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seeing an animal finding it, 
that doesn't mean anything. 

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I mean, the hunt doesn't even 
start until you get to within 

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100 yards with a rifle. 
I mean, you should set. 

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You see it out to eight, nine 
hundred yards. 

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So I think you missed out on a 
lot of the cool experiences that

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you would have had if you would 
have made the commitment to go 

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after it with the bow. 
But that also comes with the 

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double-edged sword of your might
go home empty-handed. 

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Most the time with the bow as 
well, 100% Let's talk about you,

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man. 
I mean you are you are 

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definitely what I would consider
a bow junkie. 

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Get more bows anybody know 
they're all like dipped in these

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cool different color patterns 
like what are you shooting right

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now? 
So I kind of you know, my social

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media platforms, the kind of 
just kind of taking a back 

443
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,300
burner with my business and 
family stuff. 

444
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:28,400
This last few years I was really
active with Hoyt Archery for 

445
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,200
like five or six years. 
I was on there prostaff. 

446
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,400
I did renew this year just 
because I'm not We bring in much

447
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,200
to the table as far as social 
media content anymore because 

448
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,400
like I said it just kind of gone
a different path but I still 

449
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:46,000
have all my height carbon bows. 
I shoot a heart carbon rx4 right

450
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,000
now and it's just they're just a
masterpiece of by of mechanics 

451
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,800
and physics and weight and 
durability and they're just 

452
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,600
they're just amazing. 
Do you shooting a carbon Arrow 

453
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,100
out of a carbon bowl with 300 
feet per second and you can hit 

454
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:05,200
a pie plate at 120 yards. 
Words with it. 

455
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,100
I mean it's just Lethal, lethal,
tunable, consistent, repeatable,

456
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,300
reliable, you know, they're just
Bowser badass men. 

457
00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:16,300
They're unbelievable. 
And there's so freaking lethal. 

458
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,400
You just don't, you don't 
appreciate what that thin 

459
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,400
drinking, straw, you know, 
looking are owed can do to an 

460
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,700
animal when you hit it, in the 
Bible's with a razor blade 

461
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:28,300
tipped Arrow shaft that's 
traveling at high speed like 

462
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,000
that. 
I mean, it's some actually a 

463
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,400
very ethical way to kill when 
it's done properly because the 

464
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,500
animals most of the time Don't 
even recognize that they've been

465
00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:40,500
hit and they kind of look around
confused and they tip over. 

466
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:42,100
I mean, it's just, it's so 
lethal. 

467
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:44,900
The hemorrhaging, it causes. 
It's very, very quick and 

468
00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:47,300
efficient, you know? 
So, it's Bowser. 

469
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:48,200
Bowser. 
Awesome. 

470
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,100
Yeah, man, it's kind of like, a 
lot of people don't realize how 

471
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,000
like I'm not a deer. 
I never been shot but I would 

472
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,200
assume getting a well-placed 
arrow through your vitals at 

473
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,800
that speed. 
With that small of a diameter 

474
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,300
shaft is pretty similar to 
getting cut on the finger with a

475
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:05,700
sharp. 
You don't even know what's 

476
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:09,300
happened to you to see the blood
and these animals will get shot 

477
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:10,900
the walk around. 
Look around like nothing's 

478
00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:13,800
happened and it was drop over 
dead, you know, 60 seconds 

479
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,900
later. 
Like that's that's a pretty 

480
00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:18,600
humane way to do things. 
If you ask me, I agree, I agree.

481
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,900
Now, the one thing with bow 
hunting is a mean. 

482
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:24,300
If you make an error on a shot, 
you know, your your got the 

483
00:23:24,308 --> 00:23:27,400
complete opposite effect. 
Now you got a an injured animal 

484
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,500
which most people probably would
have a hard time believing but I

485
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:33,300
trust in absolutely ashamed of 
myself. 

486
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:34,500
When that happens because I'm 
there. 

487
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,900
To kill the animal efficiently 
and quickly. 

488
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:40,300
I don't want it to suffer and if
It suffers that my hand I 

489
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,300
actually am completely ashamed 
of myself. 

490
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:47,100
Whether it's my poor judgment, 
lack of preparation, lack of 

491
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:52,000
equipment, maintenance whatever,
whatever cause they are the poor

492
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,900
shot execution. 
As a hunter, we take it upon 

493
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:57,900
ourselves as like, that, that's 
my bad. 

494
00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:01,800
I messed that up and that animal
suffered as a result, I want to 

495
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,000
kill the animal. 
I want to put it in my freezer 

496
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:07,200
but Also want to die quickly and
humanely, because I care about 

497
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,300
the animal. 
And so, yeah, it's a, it's a 

498
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:12,800
very, very fine line there where
your ethics in your your shot 

499
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,000
selection and your shot 
execution are very, very they're

500
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,100
all tied together. 
Very closely where, you know, a 

501
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,400
dreaming situation where you 
kill an animal quickly and 

502
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,100
efficiently could turn into an 
absolute nightmare when maybe 

503
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,200
your arrow doesn't hit spot and 
you wound the animal and he runs

504
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,700
off you know bleeding and you 
have to track him and and put 

505
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,200
another arrow in him hours later
and that's that's a nightmare 

506
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,100
for a bow hunter because we just
thought what we We want that's 

507
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:38,300
not optimal, total agreement 
throughout the year. 

508
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,600
What is your what is your 
protocol like for putting in the

509
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,300
rip? 
So to speak when it comes to 

510
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,500
practicing with your boat, like 
you have a lot of 3D Target set 

511
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,500
up or you just got like a house 
that structures that you're kind

512
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:51,900
of keeping things short. 
Yeah so yeah with a bow you have

513
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,900
a they call them blocks that 
they're usually a styrofoam or 

514
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,300
some type of a phone composite 
block. 

515
00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:01,800
They're usually 18 inches cubed.
So it's just a big hunk of 

516
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,500
rubber or foam that will stop 
your arrows. 

517
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,900
And I shoot those in my 
basement. 

518
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:09,300
I have a angled like corner to 
corner. 

519
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:12,000
I can shoot 20 yards in my 
basement. 

520
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:14,600
So two or three days a week. 
I'll go down there and just 

521
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,700
launched 10 to 20 arrows. 
And just, I mean at that range, 

522
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:21,300
I could hit a dime. 
So I literally have little spots

523
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:24,200
with magic markers on the Block 
painted and I just shoot the 

524
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,000
spots with arrows and so I just 
just to get him to keep the 

525
00:25:28,008 --> 00:25:30,900
muscles in check. 
Keep my hands just to keep 

526
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,000
everything. 
Well, to keep the boat moving 

527
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,800
those strings, you know, there's
a lot of Moving Parts on a bow 

528
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,600
and the strings can stretch, 
Russ can set in, you know, the 

529
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,700
Cab's, the limbs can warp a 
little bit. 

530
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,200
I mean, as long as the bows 
moving and you're on top of it, 

531
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,000
you'll what you'll be able to 
see any issues before they 

532
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,700
become serious. 
And that's basically it, 

533
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:51,900
especially during the winter 
time. 

534
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:55,100
It's not fun to shoot it outside
in the cold, especially if you 

535
00:25:55,108 --> 00:25:57,600
have to wear gloves in the code.
I mean it's just not optimal. 

536
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
So if I could just shoot my 
basement, my flip-flops and I 

537
00:26:00,608 --> 00:26:03,100
just launched corner to corner 
into that block. 

538
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:05,600
Luckily bows really accurate? 
Not On what I've never put an 

539
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,900
arrow through my drywall. 
But yeah, my, you know, my wife.

540
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,700
The first time she saw me doing 
it was just like, whoa, what's 

541
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:14,500
this? 
You know what are we doing here?

542
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,900
Explain explain yourself because
I'm, you know, shoot arrows, you

543
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:22,000
know, in my basement of my 
house, but she's not used to it 

544
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,300
and it's kept me busy and kept 
me out of her hair so it's 

545
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,200
freakin therapy man. 
Like every single day when I get

546
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,200
done running, I'll come back to 
the house and I'll sling a few 

547
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,900
arrows, you know like 10 15 
arrows and that's like the cap 

548
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:36,100
for the end of the day, man. 
Once was, the sun's going down 

549
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,000
and I'm slinging a few arrows. 
I could just turn things off at 

550
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,500
that point. 
That's when the relaxation 

551
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,700
starts. 
Yeah, it's pretty. 

552
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,500
Really relaxing. 
It's very, very like I don't 

553
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:48,200
want to stay spiritual. 
What is it? 

554
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,500
You're self-aware like like when
you're when you draw the bow 

555
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:55,700
back, it's your you can hear 
your brain being, you can, 

556
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,400
you're focusing on a pan that's 
you know, tent. 

557
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,900
What is a tenth of a millimeter 
in diameter and so you're 

558
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,200
looking down the string at this 
tiny little dot. 

559
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,400
You can see See if you're 
shaking, you can see if the pins

560
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,900
moving because all that is 
compounded, you know, like, you 

561
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,000
feel like your hand is still 
until you look at that painting.

562
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,100
Like, wow, I'm really. 
So you have to, like, literally 

563
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:18,100
learn how to control your 
breathing and to shoot on when 

564
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:21,100
you're breathing you, when 
you're exhaling and it's just 

565
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,500
torquing, your grip a little bit
to make sure the bows more 

566
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,000
stable. 
And there's just a whole 

567
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:29,600
compounding, you know, 
coordination of like of All Your

568
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,500
Mind, Body Soul to give it to 
get that Arrow to fly true. 

569
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:37,200
And, but what it It's just so 
poetic you just watch, you 

570
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,200
noticed launch off the string 
and just nail a Target and it's 

571
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,200
just awesome kind of percent you
ever do any shooting with like 

572
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,000
traditional archery like recurve
Longbow. 

573
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,100
Yeah. 
So we do that because carbon 

574
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,700
arrows out of carbon bows, 
explode. 

575
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:55,100
When they hit the ground so you 
don't really go around and shoot

576
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,700
like squirrels or bunnies or 
other things like that with the 

577
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:01,900
regular bow you'd use a we call 
them tried bows or traditional 

578
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,900
bows because they're not high 
velocities and you could Go 

579
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,300
through arrows, you just go, 
pick them up. 

580
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,100
I mean, if I miss a squirrel, I 
can just go grab my arrow. 

581
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,200
If I miss a, you know, a grouse 
or in a bird and these are all 

582
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,800
animals. 
I eat, I mean, I eat squirrels, 

583
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,500
I bunny is anything. 
I kill obviously eat, but yeah, 

584
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,200
I have a Chad bone for that. 
Plus, it's great with kids, 

585
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,200
they're really easy to learn. 
All my girls have picked red 

586
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,700
bows. 
And my boys will get their bows 

587
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,300
as they go to, but it's just a 
nice way to like transition, 

588
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,000
someone in a bow hunting, I'm 
sure. 

589
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,200
Most people shot a traditional 
bow like it in their gym class 

590
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,000
and All school or a scout camp 
and they're just like the big 

591
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,400
quote-unquote. 
Robin Hood bows. 

592
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,000
You know, we're ready to choose 
your fingers. 

593
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Compound bows are a lot more 
technicals. 

594
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
So try. 
Those are just super fun. 

595
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,900
They're very look like low 
pressure. 

596
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,900
Just kind of a nice way just to 
kind of share. 

597
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,800
Share the passion with people 
without getting too technical to

598
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
over the top. 
Totally totally. 

599
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,300
I want to get a little technical
here on on set up because I'm 

600
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,700
shooting like when I first got 
my bow, I walk them to the boat 

601
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,500
shop in my head. 
I don't know a thing about what 

602
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:04,600
I'm getting here. 
Fix me. 

603
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:07,200
Up with something good to start 
with and they hook me up with an

604
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,100
r x 3. 
And this was when that first 

605
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,700
came out, is there much of a 
difference between that and the 

606
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,300
for no not really, you know, you
bought like it's like buying a 

607
00:29:15,308 --> 00:29:18,700
2020 Ford Raptor and it get a 
2021. 

608
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:22,100
Obviously they salesman's going 
to pitch you on the new tweaks 

609
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:26,700
but they're both awesome trucks.
You're in great hands like I as 

610
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:30,100
a sponsored athlete. 
I get a couple of bows a year so

611
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,700
I'm obviously moving the new bow
because the old Beau is old 

612
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:35,600
quote unquote is fixed. 
Old, and they got something 

613
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,500
better for me, but I always 
recommend to boast boast 

614
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:40,300
Bowhunters. 
A good boat should last, you 

615
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,100
five to ten years easily because
the technology is just so 

616
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,000
Advanced. 
So yeah, your rx-3 is badass and

617
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,100
I your, yeah, you got a great 
bow. 

618
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,900
Now, here's the next question. 
I'm shooting a multi-pin site 

619
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,500
and I've got a whisker biscuit. 
Now, whisker biscuit sir funny 

620
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:58,000
thing man. 
Like you start putting too much 

621
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,800
time online and people will dog 
you for using a whisker biscuit.

622
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:06,500
Yeah, they Rogan actually Talked
about me on the program with 

623
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:10,000
campaigns and John Dudley couple
years ago because I'm such a 

624
00:30:10,008 --> 00:30:17,300
big, whisker biscuit Advocate, 
you know, whatever guys are 

625
00:30:17,308 --> 00:30:19,600
involved in. 
Whether it's football, hockey 

626
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,500
monster trucks bowhunting golf 
guys are experts and there and 

627
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,000
I'll be all, you know, only one 
way works type approach to 

628
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,900
everything. 
Like you know, guys is argue 

629
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:33,600
about anything. 
They do any hobby and there's 

630
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,900
never Middle Ground No, you 
came. 

631
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:39,800
It's almost like tribalism, or 
you have to choose a side and 

632
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,200
risk, your biscuits are no 
different. 

633
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,100
What a whisker biscuit is for 
those who don't know, when you 

634
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,400
have your arrow drawn back, 
there's a rest, it's the front 

635
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,000
piece of the front component of 
the bow. 

636
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800
That holds the arrow. 
While you pull back because the 

637
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,700
are you don't want to attract Bo
use your finger to balance it 

638
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,300
with your biscuit, is a rest, 
and there's different types of 

639
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:00,600
rests. 
Most of which are mechanical, 

640
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,000
they are almost like a fork 
stick that rise up and they hold

641
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,700
the arrow off. 
Off of the bow itself to kind of

642
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,300
float it and then when the 
string pushes the air that drops

643
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,200
away and they're called Fall 
Away, rests the whisker, be 

644
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:17,700
expressed, but he uses thin 
polymer whiskers to kind of 

645
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:22,200
create a cradle for the arrow to
sit in and they've always been 

646
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,400
touted as kind of the beginner 
rest because they're fell proof.

647
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,100
You know, you slide the air in 
there. 

648
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,900
It doesn't fall out, doesn't 
fall off. 

649
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,000
The boat could be crooked 
sideways upside down, it'll 

650
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600
still hold it because those 
polymer fibers are holding air. 

651
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:39,700
Place and the crush on it is you
know bow Hunters that are quote 

652
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,200
unquote, good bow hunters or 
experience Advanced bow Hunters 

653
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:46,100
they've moved on to those more 
technical mechanical rests and 

654
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,900
they're always going to bag on 
the beginner stuff because you 

655
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:52,100
know you got to progress and get
move on to the badass hardcore 

656
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,200
stuff. 
Well, problem with me is I've 

657
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,200
had follow a rest fell on me 
numerous times and Specialty out

658
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,000
west because they're, they're 
they're operated with the cable 

659
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,400
system, small, small cords and 
wires that pull and push and 

660
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,600
back. 
Chemical Parts. 

661
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,100
If you're hiking around an oak 
brush Sagebrush before us the 

662
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,700
branches, they snag those little
cables. 

663
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,100
They snag. 
Those little cords and they 

664
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,200
break and they twist, and they 
torque. 

665
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,200
And now your boat doesn't work. 
So I like whisker biscuit, 

666
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,000
because it's practical. 
It's simple and it's fail-proof.

667
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,500
I've never had one. 
Let me down, they don't look 

668
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,800
cool but they work. 
And so that's that's the big 

669
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600
debate most guys that are big 
Paulie, guys mean, if they shoot

670
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,300
paper, it tournaments, or 
they're sitting in a tree stand,

671
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:37,300
See they're all the way rest. 
Probably function perfectly but 

672
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,800
out west it's just too much for 
me to worry about and the 

673
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,200
accuracy arguments are endless. 
But I've seen Pigman. 

674
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,300
If you go on YouTube right now, 
Google pig man, he shoots 100 

675
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,900
yards and he's not even a good 
bow hunter, literally shoots 

676
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,400
three arrows in 100-yard Target.
They're probably three out three

677
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,300
to four inches apart with a 
whisker biscuit. 

678
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,400
So you can't tell me accuracies 
an issue because he just did it.

679
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,200
And I've obviously done it many 
times, I'm just giving you some 

680
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,500
more, you know. 
Yeah, I'm with ammunition. 

681
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,800
You need someone to, you know, 
prove it to you, but just go 

682
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,900
with what works for, you know, 
lots of people have opinions out

683
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,900
there, but you got to go with 
your own personal experience and

684
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:14,600
guidance. 
I think you're fine with what 

685
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,600
you have. 
Yeah. 

686
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,900
I mean, I'm a fan of things that
are built like a freaking tank 

687
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:20,900
and I don't have to worry about 
my gun. 

688
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,900
I'm not my beau getting off or 
snagging something up with a 

689
00:33:23,908 --> 00:33:25,800
whisker busy because it's pretty
much foolproof. 

690
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,100
I mean, it's just nothing, 
nothing's bad going to happen to

691
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:29,900
as long as you don't throw it 
off a cliff. 

692
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,400
Yes, sir. 
And it really is very consistent

693
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,300
repeatable and there They're 
cheap, they're just good. 

694
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,100
It's a, you know, you got what 
the bow, you own it, for those 

695
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,300
that know, I mean, who are x 3 
is the top-of-the-line carbon 

696
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:44,400
bow. 
It's like a, I'm sure with all 

697
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,500
your equipment is probably, 
well, over 2,000 2,500 dollars, 

698
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,300
just for the bow, it's, hey, 
you're putting a rest on at 

699
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,300
that's 40 bucks. 
So, most people would say, what 

700
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:57,900
you got to 42,000 are beau. 
Let's put a 200 dollar rest on 

701
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,500
there because it's better. 
Well, not necessarily, you know?

702
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,400
So that's that's where the 
arguments coming from and I 

703
00:34:03,408 --> 00:34:05,400
could get it, that's fine. 
To each his own. 

704
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400
You know, you're not going to 
convince me either way because 

705
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,300
I'm the one that's out depending
on it in the field and I've had 

706
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,699
follow ways, let me down, that's
enough times it. 

707
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,300
I'm not going down that path 
again. 

708
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:19,100
This is honestly a great segue 
for nutrition because we were 

709
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,900
kind of talking before we 
started recording event. 

710
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:23,900
How you're all a balance, you 
know, application, how things 

711
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,800
affect you personally? 
I mean and you see this all the 

712
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,800
time in the nutrition space and 
I've honestly just got an 

713
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,000
exhaust with there's so many. 
So many studies out there now 

714
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,500
and I'm all for scientific 
studies. 

715
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:38,100
More for, you know, pushing the 
envelope and really diving into 

716
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,500
the mechanism, as to why things 
work and how it impacts the 

717
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,300
body, but so much. 
So to the point that people are 

718
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,500
getting like they're just, you 
know, cherry-picking data there 

719
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,600
their finger, pointing at 
whatever study they want the 

720
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,199
backs up their claims. 
And with that, you get all this 

721
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:57,300
noise in the nutrition and 
fitness space and I would put 

722
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,400
100% more emphasis on people 
that are practicing with their 

723
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,800
preaching and living the damn 
thing every single day and 

724
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,900
seeing success with it. 
And you've been doing A lot of 

725
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,500
experimentation here lately as 
well. 

726
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:10,300
So what are some things that 
you've noticed and you played 

727
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,800
around with? 
You were messaging on Instagram 

728
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,000
and Steve recently come out of 
this massive car Buffalo 

729
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,100
basically, right? 
Yeah. 

730
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,200
Yeah. 
So I did, I mean, I'm terrible 

731
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,100
but I compete as a bodybuilder 
for 45 years, but I've tried all

732
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:28,600
the protocols and I've very, 
very oriented or in a very, very

733
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,700
regimented. 
As we said earlier, just OCD. 

734
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,500
So it's easy for me to diet 
because I can measure my food 

735
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,800
and I don't cheat. 
When I heard the word cheat me 

736
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,500
like it didn't make any sense of
like, well, he's at, these are 

737
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,600
my macros. 
Where does the cheat no fit in 

738
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,000
there. 
Like, how does that work? 

739
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,500
You know, I got a protocol and 
there's nowhere on in there that

740
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:46,800
says cheat meal, that doesn't 
fit. 

741
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,000
So I've never had a problem, 
eating whatever, I need to eat 

742
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,800
or trying to whatever I try to 
get a specific result. 

743
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,900
I found Quito in 2017, 
transition from a moderate carb,

744
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:03,200
high protein diet Taquito. 
And you know, just like a kid 

745
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,400
with pulling the training 
wheels. 

746
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,500
Off a bike. 
I can kind of swerve left to 

747
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,100
right. 
Was he a pound of bacon? 

748
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,000
A day felt like dog shit. 
Went the other way went 

749
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,700
completely organic did think I 
was eating enough meat so you 

750
00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,700
know the macros and everything's
you know, you got to be seventy 

751
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,100
twenty, fifth, twenty five, 
whatever. 

752
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,800
I just learned to kind of just 
tweak that over the years and I 

753
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,800
got into a sweet spot where I 
wasn't even really worried about

754
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
the percentages more. 
Just like, okay, this is the 

755
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,300
protein range where I feel 
optimal, this is the fat range, 

756
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:35,100
right? 
For optimal. 

757
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,000
This is the fiber range. 
I feel optimal. 

758
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,900
I just kind of did my own thing 
and I felt like I got a really 

759
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:44,400
great result for kedo. 
I was super lean vascular. 

760
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,700
It kept really thin skin. 
I was never in Flames. 

761
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:50,800
I always had just look really 
dry and crisp but I really 

762
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,900
really got weak over time and I 
need just did straight grip 

763
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:59,300
strength squatting. 
I could do volume but not high, 

764
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:03,600
higher weight and I just kind of
like hit a wall when I was like 

765
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200
sick of it. 
As Just like I missed being 

766
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,900
strong, I meant to be in big 
eye. 

767
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,900
I'm 6 feet tall and on keto, I 
got down to like 180 185 pounds 

768
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,300
and then still this last year 
and a half, especially with 

769
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,200
covid. 
I just got bored of the keto 

770
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,500
diet and I said, Lee, I'm gonna 
go back a few carbs and I 

771
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:27,700
prescribe to a car protocol from
a big bodybuilding Guru and kind

772
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:31,900
of followed their, their system 
basically, flipped the macros 

773
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:35,700
from fats to carbs me as I told 
you, it's 80 degrees from Quito 

774
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:40,000
is the carb diet. 
I did almost no fat, very high 

775
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,500
card, very moderate protein, low
protein actually, about a gram 

776
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,900
per pound, and I did a heavy 
bolt for two years. 

777
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:51,700
I got up to about 245 pounds. 
So 65 pounds above my keto. 

778
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:55,500
And again, my strength gains 
were awesome. 

779
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:57,800
I could lift more than I've ever
lifted. 

780
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,100
I was just big and round and 
full and puffy and you know just

781
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,800
like cards tend to do but But 
after a year and a half that I 

782
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,800
just did a cut right now and I 
cut carbs dramatically and I'm 

783
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,700
back down to 200 pounds but just
super lean and feel great and 

784
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,500
sex drives, great that, you 
know, all of the underlying 

785
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,500
factors are there, and I made a 
good point to cruise now. 

786
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,800
So just just get that a little 
experiment on myself. 

787
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,500
And you know, I've learned over 
time that out, they all these 

788
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,500
diets work, they all have their 
pros and their cons. 

789
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,100
You just got to find the diet 
that you don't feel like you're 

790
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:36,400
you're suffering in that. 
I feel like you can maintain an 

791
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Embrace for long periods of time
and you know, for now I'm 

792
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,900
actually not doing a full keto 
diet. 

793
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:45,500
I'm doing a low carb high 
protein high fat, moderate fat 

794
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:49,200
diet and I feel great and I may 
just get the itch to go right 

795
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,100
back to Quito again and do that.
I just, you know, just playing 

796
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,300
it week by week basically. 
Yeah, the cool thing about 

797
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:58,800
nutrition is like you can you 
can reach a body composition. 

798
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,800
Go most people can reach that 
their compositional go with a 

799
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,200
variety of different types of 
that. 

800
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,900
There's not necessarily one Size
fits all when it comes to 

801
00:39:05,908 --> 00:39:08,200
nutrition. 
It's just really a matter of 

802
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,500
what is more sustainable for 
you, and what do you feel? 

803
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,200
You know, most optimal with and 
I've done a whole bunch of 

804
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,200
different, you know, dietary 
experiments as well. 

805
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:18,600
For me that's been higher fat 
approach with the Ketone with a 

806
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,000
protein, very low total carbs. 
But I think one thing that you 

807
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,600
said that super important is 
that be regards to the diet, 

808
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,000
there's there's benefits to 
being in a phase where you're in

809
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200
a surplus and really focusing on
building and there's benefits to

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,300
being in the face when you're in
a deficit and focus on cutting. 

811
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,100
And if you were to take whatever
diets you want, but then 

812
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:39,700
Implement that building and 
cutting phase into it. 

813
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,800
I feel like you're going to get 
a host of benefits just from 

814
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,200
that. 
All right, I totally agree. 

815
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,500
In fact, I never tried to do a 
keto bolt and so I probably 

816
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:50,300
something I will try in the next
few years. 

817
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,800
Luckily, I'm only 40, I'll be 
bodybuilding for the next 30 

818
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,300
Years easily so I got plenty of 
time to try a whole bunch of 

819
00:39:57,308 --> 00:40:01,100
different protocols and the one 
thing I did love about Quito was

820
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,200
as vain stupid as it sounds. 
I just love being dry. 

821
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:10,100
Just Jack all the time. 
I mean, like, by 7:00 at night, 

822
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,900
now I'm full of water and carbs 
and I'm, you know, I'm 10. 

823
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,800
Well pounds heavier than my 
morning weight and puffy. 

824
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,100
And I I look good, but I'm not 
jacked, you know, keto. 

825
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,000
I just I just miss having just 
those spaghetti veins, all the 

826
00:40:23,008 --> 00:40:27,000
way down my legs all the time, 
wear short shorts showing off my

827
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,500
medialis and just you just your 
legs. 

828
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:31,300
Look great. 
They look ridiculous right now. 

829
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,400
Back when I used to post workout
videos on Instagram, my leg 

830
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,900
videos that get like ten 
thousand, use my upper body. 

831
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,900
We get like three just because 
my legs were just there so Jack.

832
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,700
What that was all Quito. 
I've never Been able to get that

833
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:47,800
dry on carbs. 
So I met God, I may go back just

834
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,200
for that this because it feels 
so good. 

835
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,400
And I as far as inflammation and
joint pain aching and stuff. 

836
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,100
I mean, there's none with keto. 
I mean, there's just none, you 

837
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,500
just, you feel so efficient. 
I just missed being strong and 

838
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,900
that was the only thing I just 
was like, man, I just miss 

839
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,800
picking up those 120 dumbbells 
and wrapping them out. 

840
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,100
I mean, on keto, I don't think I
could have done hundreds but I 

841
00:41:10,107 --> 00:41:12,800
could have done the 70s 45 
times, you know. 

842
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,400
Yeah, for a Phil you gotta track
either with the with being in a 

843
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,500
bulk phase though, man. 
I wonder if those hundred twenty

844
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:20,500
pound dumbbells and feel the 
same. 

845
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,900
If you're in a caloric Surplus, 
I could, I could. 

846
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,600
What happens to me is, as much 
as I love fat. 

847
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:31,600
I don't know if I could just, I 
don't know if I could just go 

848
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,800
Surplus a fat and enjoy it. 
Like, I enjoy eating a big bowl 

849
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,400
of rice on leg day, you know, 
and I don't it didn't ever 

850
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,400
appetize me it Quito. 
For me, is for cutting like, 

851
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,900
it's satiating soffel, if you 
feel so full so easily that it 

852
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,100
was so easy to cut on keto. 
I don't know if I like the keto 

853
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:56,200
palette as much to gain the 
weight and try that. 

854
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,000
But again, like, I'm a, you 
know, I change my wet all the 

855
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,900
time and there's, there's no 
doctor just me, it's like, oh, 

856
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:04,300
I'm just maybe in a month or 
two. 

857
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:06,100
I'll give it a whirl. 
When I do, I know I'm reaching 

858
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,100
out to you because you've 
obviously dialed that, right in,

859
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
and your bricks are super good. 
I ate one. 

860
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
They're gay and Ivy, I couldn't 
believe how good it wasn't. 

861
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Like I could probably both with 
this that you have to be like a 

862
00:42:19,008 --> 00:42:21,700
treat like that, where it's 
commits the macros. 

863
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,200
But in my brain, I'm seeing you.
I'm not supposed to be eating 

864
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,500
this, you know. 
Yeah, I'm right there with you 

865
00:42:26,508 --> 00:42:27,700
mean. 
Like when I get to a point where

866
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,200
I'm in a pretty significant 
Surplus, like I just don't like 

867
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,500
eating like when I'm in a 
deficit that could eat until the

868
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:35,700
till the cows come home. 
But when I'm in a surplus or 

869
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,100
like a Tipping Point in which 
like it's just a chore to eat 

870
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:42,000
and when you're eating carbs, 
just a lot more hyper palatable 

871
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,200
obviously so it's easier. 
To get that Surplus reached. 

872
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,300
But yeah, it's funny how you can
be in a surplus and just not 

873
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:49,400
like eating, but then you're in 
a deficit and that's all I can 

874
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,200
think about. 
Now, that's so true, like I, 

875
00:42:52,207 --> 00:42:55,900
like I said, I personally, I 
purse at satiated like you, you 

876
00:42:55,908 --> 00:42:59,100
really do you eat fat and it 
fills you up and protein so 

877
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,600
quickly. 
And so you feel so good. 

878
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,900
You're literally telling 
yourself. 

879
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,600
I know I want to gain weight but
I don't need to eat more whereas

880
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,700
with carbs and you know, this is
an addictive property and car's 

881
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:14,100
rear like well can I eat more? 
Because I want to It's a it's a 

882
00:43:14,107 --> 00:43:15,700
strange thing. 
I don't want to sound like I'm a

883
00:43:15,707 --> 00:43:20,000
victim to my my appetites but it
just it's easier to bulk on 

884
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,600
carbs because I want to throw 
down more cars. 

885
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,100
I never want to throw down more 
fat. 

886
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:27,300
I'm always full and happy and 
ready to go to work. 

887
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,200
And I almost feel like I'm 
purposely like sabotaging my my 

888
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,800
results by eating extra fat. 
When I'm already, where I want 

889
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,600
to be, when I was with cards 
like oh yeah I'm going to give 

890
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,800
in now because I'm gonna go do 
legs and crush it and burn this 

891
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,500
glycogen off and I'm going to 
earn it. 

892
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,900
You know it's a very Very 
different mindset. 

893
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:45,800
It's almost like a completely 
different language. 

894
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,800
You're speaking when you're 
eating what you know the two 

895
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,800
hundred percent bring me up to 
speed on the businessman. 

896
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,400
Last time we talked. 
You were you were big into 

897
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,600
apparel at that point? 
Is that it's still a focus or 

898
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,900
kind of what's the what's the 
main? 

899
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:59,100
What's when things get your 
attention as far as the business

900
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,100
world is concerned? 
Yes. 

901
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,900
So social media for me, like I 
told you previously just kind of

902
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:08,600
go on the back burner, my wife 
and I we built this big home. 

903
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,800
We have a big big day care 
business that we own. 

904
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200
I'm a loan officer. 
It's amazing right now. 

905
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,300
So I'm just crushing it on this 
and we bought a building where 

906
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:19,800
you're managing a commercial 
property or just we're just, you

907
00:44:19,808 --> 00:44:22,300
know, we're in that 40s growth 
phase of just building our 

908
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,300
portfolio and planning our 
retirement building, you know, 

909
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,100
our Legacy for our kids. 
And I've just been working so 

910
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,600
hard that, you know, the summit 
brand in My Apparel and 

911
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,400
everything online was super fun 
for me. 

912
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,000
It was a great hobby to help pay
for all my toys and all my, my 

913
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,200
hunts and all that stuff, but 
I'm able just to make so much 

914
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,800
more money doing these other 
things. 

915
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:47,400
Is that I cannot justify the 
time to do the apparel and do 

916
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,000
the orders and do all that 
stuff. 

917
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,600
I mean, it was, it was like 
almost like a an era in my life 

918
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,900
where it was the bomb. 
And now I'm like, I don't think 

919
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,900
I want to do that right now, but
like I said stuff always, you 

920
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,400
know, comes back to me and I get
bored with games or I get to 

921
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
A-Rod and maybe the rate. 
So increasing will have more 

922
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600
discretionary time and maybe 
I'll jump back on that again. 

923
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,300
It was, it was super cool. 
It was another thing that you 

924
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:14,000
talked about with with dieting 
like Building a social media 

925
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,900
brand. 
There's there's no, there's no 

926
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:18,600
handbook to do it. 
You it's all practical 

927
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,300
application. 
You have to be out of litical 

928
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,500
about your results. 
You have to try different 

929
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:27,200
things, you have to go and do 
certain types of posts create 

930
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,800
certain types of content, see 
where the response is. 

931
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,900
Come from, see where you 
monetize the most see where your

932
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:36,600
time is best spent. 
And it really, it's not 

933
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,200
something you share too much 
because I you know, you're 

934
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,100
dealing with the competition. 
So it's almost like the more I 

935
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:44,100
learn the less I talk about it. 
But it was fun, look kind of 

936
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:49,400
building that social media brand
and now I've noticed with with 

937
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,100
especially like the Instagram 
platforms. 

938
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,100
I mean they are filtering 
content so much on there. 

939
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:58,700
I've almost gotten lost in the 
the mix of it because what used 

940
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:02,000
to work doesn't work anymore 
because I know I do a lot of 

941
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,000
political posts now because I, 
you know, I'm a 40 year old old 

942
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,900
man died, all the sudden make 
care about politics and that 

943
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,500
stuff to my analytics 
completely. 

944
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,600
I lose followers all the time 
and I gain, Followers, there's a

945
00:46:13,607 --> 00:46:15,700
net loss and I'm just like, 
there's no way. 

946
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,700
I'm just dropping followers like
this. 

947
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,900
There's no way like it's just 
not possible, but I don't trust 

948
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:24,900
the platform enough to to really
put in a lot of time and effort.

949
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:26,500
You know. 
I I'm still cruising around 

950
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:30,100
80,000, Instagram, followers, or
whatever, but it was a lot 

951
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:32,700
higher three years ago. 
Yeah. 

952
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:35,400
It's that. 
I don't know what's changed. 

953
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,100
Yeah, it's so weird. 
It's a weird landscaper in as 

954
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,500
far as social media goes, I mean
it's probably been a healthy 

955
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,700
thing that you've taken some 
time off from social media. 

956
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:45,500
Because there's times where I'm 
like, man, I owe everything to 

957
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:48,000
Social and I Do by the same 
time. 

958
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,600
It's like man I kind of like the
idea of just throwing all the 

959
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,400
social media accounts away for a
while and just focusing on real 

960
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,300
life, you know. 
Yeah, it's it is definitely 

961
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,600
something. 
I I still posting a lot of my 

962
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,400
family and I I'm always cruising
on there to see how my friends 

963
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,800
are doing and just the pick the 
pages I follow. 

964
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:09,300
But my own personal content is 
definitely taking a back burner 

965
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:11,400
and with social media. 
Especially I mean if you're not 

966
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,800
authentic and you're not really 
doing For the right reasons, 

967
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,800
your your your I don't want to 
say your, I would say your 

968
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,000
audience is the best word. 
Hate the word followers. 

969
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,300
Your audience is obviously going
to be less interested, less 

970
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,500
engaged, because they can smell 
that sincerity and the, the, you

971
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,900
know, the genuine product they 
can smell bullshit from miles 

972
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:32,300
away. 
So if your heart's not in it, 

973
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:36,500
you're you're wasting your time.
100% man, 100%. 

974
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,300
Well, I kind of want to round 
this out with what's sketchy 

975
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:40,900
excited, man. 
Like you get, you know, six 

976
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,200
kids. 
Now to newborns Suns. 

977
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,300
Like what what's the thing 
that's gets you most excited 

978
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,000
right now? 
I just tracing these little 

979
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,500
guys. 
I mean, I'm 40 and I look back 

980
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,000
at that and I think of like 40 
year old, so old but I'm 40 and 

981
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,600
I'm not old, you know, and I'm 
like, okay, when I'm 50, these 

982
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,200
guys are 10. 
And they're playing literally 

983
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,900
when I'm 60, they're playing 
high school college sports. 

984
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:06,800
When I'm 70 there, you know, on 
their third or fourth kid. 

985
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,900
Like I just love that. 
I'm 40 years old and I'm not 

986
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,500
even a third of the way again, 
as far as I count, it's like 

987
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,200
this kicks ass. 
I'm starting to get Lifestyle 

988
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,500
the Really, really excited about
my marriage. 

989
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,400
My kids, my business is my 
Little Empire. 

990
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,900
We're building, you know, the 
world's a freaking Advanced 

991
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:30,200
right now, put the political 
scene makes me sick, but my 

992
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,300
little microcosm, my little 
world that I have control over, 

993
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,400
is thought I need and it's, it's
just it's optimal, it's awesome.

994
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,000
So I'm just excited man, I'm 
figuring things out every day 

995
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,700
and I got a lot of time to keep 
the plan. 

996
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,800
So that's the name of the game, 
man. 

997
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Like I was stuck. 
On your Instagram prior to 

998
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,300
jumping on this podcast and it's
like you do post a lot of 

999
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:53,000
political stuff and, you know, 
depending on which way people 

1000
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,400
lean that that's either going to
be great news or bad news. 

1001
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,000
But like I looking to see all 
your kids with big old smile on 

1002
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
their face. 
You know, you got a big smile on

1003
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,800
your face and you're doubling 
down on the things that you have

1004
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,300
direct control over, which is 
your family. 

1005
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:09,000
And I feel like so many people 
in the world, right now would 

1006
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,600
benefit immensely from focusing 
on that focus on the things that

1007
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,200
they have direct control over as
opposed to fixating on these 

1008
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:21,200
These arbitrary metrics and and 
governmental powers that be that

1009
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,800
they have no voice in. 
I mean so many people let that 

1010
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,600
determine the outcome of their 
day's activities in their 

1011
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,100
overall mood. 
And I feel like if you just 

1012
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,400
focus on the people in your life
that you directly interact with 

1013
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,500
every single day, everyone will 
be happier, 100% man. 

1014
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,100
Nothing to add to that one. 
Not at all, I love it, man. 

1015
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,900
What's always a pleasure 
catching up with you, brother? 

1016
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,600
I'm excited to see if you. 
I'm sure you'll have some some 

1017
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,300
deer and some elk or something 
bag by the end of this year. 

1018
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Yeah, I saw that freezer that, 
that fridge freezer in your 

1019
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,300
house and that thing right 
there. 

1020
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:52,100
I mean, he'll that deserves a 
podcast in its own. 

1021
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:55,400
Yeah. 
It just got its got a, I've 

1022
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,900
almost. 
So I'm proud to say, you're 

1023
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:01,200
going to love this, but I eaten 
and Elk by myself this year, I'm

1024
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:07,100
about 15 to 20 pounds left of 
about 400 pounds of elk. 

1025
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:12,900
So I consumed impound stick 
white bowl out by myself in one 

1026
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:15,600
calendar year. 
So, those are very Granite right

1027
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,100
thing, for sure. 
Yeah, pretty badass. 

1028
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:20,800
First time I've actually done, I
usually give away a lot of meat 

1029
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,800
that this one I kept in Hornet, 
and I've just been nibbling on 

1030
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,100
it every week and it's slowly 
slowly, but surely almost gone. 

1031
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,900
So, what's been your go-to way 
of cooking? 

1032
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:30,900
Cooking them? 
Because they're pretty. 

1033
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:32,700
I mean, they're pretty lean, 
like venison. 

1034
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,200
Yeah, I from Pro flavor, but, 
but how do you get that? 

1035
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,800
Like, the filet dude, salt 
Butter pants, here super rare 

1036
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,300
just Sizzle on both sides and 
throw it down. 

1037
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:48,600
The only way to eat rare game 
need is Cancer it I like it. 

1038
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,200
I like we had a we've been in 
the middle of moving and I've 

1039
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,100
got this massive chest freezer 
and the thing I don't like about

1040
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,700
chest freezers is that you never
really know what's the very 

1041
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,200
bottom of it. 
You start digging around you 

1042
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,300
find things, you didn't know you
him and there's this had several

1043
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:06,700
lamb and mule deer chunks that 
were from 2019 and what the hell

1044
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:08,600
does going to do with it? 
So I did like a slow roast in 

1045
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,000
the Crock-Pot and that all 
turned out really. 

1046
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,100
Surprisingly well, I mean, it 
was super tender and that's the 

1047
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,900
way I want to do all my old meat
because you would Never know 

1048
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:18,800
that it's older. 
Yeah, for sure. 

1049
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,600
That makes sense. 
Good move for sure. 

1050
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,500
Let's man, like said always a 
pleasure catching up with you 

1051
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,300
Zach. 
Definitely. 

1052
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,400
Keep me posted as things changed
and you get out in the woods 

1053
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,500
this year. 
What can people go to find and 

1054
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:34,400
follow more about you just my 
Instagram is just that Griffith 

1055
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,200
underscore, calm. 
So like Jack Griffith.com is my 

1056
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600
website and my Instagram's is 
EAC. 

1057
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Griffig1 tea. 
H underscore, calm awesome. 

1058
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:44,900
Well, thanks again for jumping 
on here. 

1059
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:47,500
Happy hunting. 
And Tell the family, the whole 

1060
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:49,200
crew. 
I said, howdy everybody.