Hello, ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks kiddo, Savage.com.
And today I'm get special guest. Zach Griffith on the line, I've
had him on the pound podcast long time ago.
Probably about two years ago. Now we talked about hunting, we
talked about Bo we talked all kinds about Bo specifics
techniques, what makes a good bow hunter a great Bow Hunter
and how that's a little bit different than traditional, you
know, rifle hunting and things of that nature that are more
mainstream and we talked a little bit about family life.
You just had two new boys on the way he's got at six kids now
total. So I talked about that.
That's a topic. I don't know very much about it.
Also how he juggles everything with six kids is incredibly
impressive. To me we talked about nutrition
and fitness. He is he is doing all kinds of
experiments when it comes to nutrition, he's done keto, he's
done very high carving, just got done doing a very high carb
protocol so I wanted to pick his brain as to what some things
are. That he's noticed with that.
We talked a little bit about the state of the world right now,
how to maintain positivity, amidst all the chaos that we are
in. And we just talked about life in
general, thoroughly enjoyed the conversation.
I've got a lot of respect for Zach and I have no doubt that
you will enjoy the podcast. So without further Ado, sit
back, relax and enjoy the conversation with Zach Griffith
and Zack were lab. How are you brother?
I'm very good man. Appreciate the opportunity to
chat with you again. Yeah.
Man's can have you back on? I think It's been probably like
two years since we spoke last on podcast and a lot has happened
in your life since then, man. Yeah, I just added a couple more
babies to the roster. I got six kids now, so I'm
rolling deep. I've got two boys.
Find they had four daughters and then I had two little twin boys.
So they're four months old and, you know, things just got real
around our house. You got a little boundaries
dream. I have boys.
No matter what. Even keep trying to stay ahead
boys. Yeah, I was, the wife wasn't
quite as on board but yeah, you know, practice makes perfect, so
took me took me five tries but I got it done with a bang the last
time. Their tank farm in multiple
doses. Yeah, double dose will sell
their kids, mean, what's it like, having six kids?
Like, I can't even begin to Fathom.
Then. Well, where I'm a, we're a split
family, I'm divorced. So I've got the older 3r I share
time with their mom and Phoenix, they're all teenagers, 110 year
old the others, you know, teenagers.
So when I get them back it's Paradise because I as crazy as
it might sound and as hectic as it sounds, it's so cool to be a
dad and come home to a Full House.
Of just noise and chaos and and just and just electricity.
It's just it's just awesome man. Like that's the older I get the
more I appreciate stuff like that.
I just love my kids and I love having them around even though
they're a pain in the ass and just awesome.
So they came up for the summer and they got to meet their
little brothers. And so, yeah, I got 15 year old,
and I've got to 24 months old. So we got the Gambit of the
motions and drama. She just started driving.
And then Ways are just barely you know they're probably going
to start eating rice this week. We're going to go meet with
their doctor tomorrow and get that clear.
So they're going from there, you know, transition from their
breast milk and milk and formula to real food, too.
So, yeah, it's crazy, man. Just just living the dream.
And how do you juggle thence with like also owning the
business and then all that you doing with the hunting season?
I mean, there's just a lot of, a lot of moving pieces, it seems.
Yeah, I mean, we talked about this before.
I I don't brag about it, it's just, it's just reality I guess.
Get up at 3:00 every day man. I just get up and get shit done.
It's just go right. I'm not tired.
I don't I hate sleeping. It seems like such a waste of
time and I go to bed around 9:00 every night and get up at 3 and
6 hours is enough for me to thrive and I get all my Zack
stuff done in the mornings between 3 and 7.
And then I'm in the office and work my tail off, and don't
waste time, and don't jack around and get that done.
And then get out of here early and get home and help help
around the house. So, it's Just about prioritizing
and being very consistent, I'm a robot.
Man it does. Every day is Groundhog Day for
me, even Sundays, I still get up at three, I still do cardio.
I still just I just have a regimen and I'm happier when I
follow that regimen. It's self-diagnosed OCD in a way
like vacations are hard for me because my food is not where it
normally is and my alarm clock isn't over.
I mean, it's like I just like systems and just consistency and
repetition, it's just how it's my My mindset.
So it's not as hard as you think it did, take a couple weeks to
tweak it. And the boys were, they didn't
sleep real. Well, first meet.
Well, they slept great. They just were hungry every
couple hours. So we're feeding, you know,
little 30-minute feeds, every two to three hours.
So the first month or two was pretty rough that way.
But I just, you know, just wrapped up and got through it,
you know, just make it happen. And I appreciate that man.
Like, throughout every chapter of my life, people have always
said and I know you've experienced the same thing, but
like people will say, oh, it must be nice until you do you
have a job or it must be nice until you have kids?
I must be nice until you reach a certain age, but there's like,
like you don't buy into that shit like, you know, who you
are, you know, what you stand for, and you don't make excuses
and you make it work 100%. And, and I make it work because
I want to, like, I think it's like, all right, if baffles me
when someone says, where do you find the motivation to get up at
three? Go to the gym.
And I just like, I do You know where I find?
I want to. I look fi like, if I get up to
go, take a leak at one of my. Oh, damn.
I gotta sleep for 2 more hours. Like I just want to go train.
I want to get up and get shit, moving.
I like to go to work. So it's a very foreign feeling
to me, like, I don't do anything in my life, that I don't like to
do. I really don't.
I mean, baby pay taxes, but I'm always after you with that, you
know, like I am not motivated. I just do what I do.
Like if I'm, you know, it's like going to bed and I'm tired.
Okay. You go to sleep, like someone
should say, why do you go to sleep at night?
Or how do you find the motivation?
I just say, well, I'm tired. So I go to bed, you know?
Like that's how I feel about my other things so that's its kind
of easy for me. Just like you said, to not make
excuses and just fit things in because if you want something,
you'll make it work. If you don't want it, you'll
make excuses you'll Dodge around it.
You'll know the delegate or or put it off, you know.
It's it's pretty simple. You know when you know you with
your clear with your focus, you see what Need what needs to be
done. And the next morning, you're
just switch your regimen. You make you fit in you go.
You know, that's it. Are there anything that the kids
like doing that? You personally just don't care
for it. All you feel like it's a waste
of time, but you do it anyways because it's family time, at the
end of the day, you know, my kids are all, you know, they're
very current with like their phones and stuff.
So they spend a lot of times on their phone, they're not real
family-oriented, the teenagers. So I kind of have to get them
involved whether it's Taking them out to dinner or going on a
family. Hi, we live on a mountain so we
just go climb the hill behind the house, taking them swimming
the boys for me. I just have to literally it
sounds horrible, but I just have to block out time in my night
where I say for the next two hours.
I'm helping my wife and I'm focusing on my boys.
Whether it's laying next to him and playing with them or talking
to them, making eye contact. It's just I'm just a robot.
So I have to plan that stuff in or I won't do it or I'll Or I'll
half-assing you and I mean if I block it out and say, okay it's
5:00 next. Two hours, phones off playing
with the boys. You know, I can get it done and
I feel like you know whatever it takes to get the end.
Result is all that matters so just kind of have to block it
out. Well having those several hours
in the morning man from three to seven is like you got to hold on
and cherish that because that's same for me, like my most
productive hours throughout the day are without a doubt, those
early morning hours before the world wakes up and bothers me.
I could just zero in on, whatever I can get In front of
me and have no distraction and get things done.
Yeah, it for and four hours is like, I mean, that's so much
time dude, that's so much prep your meals, do your cardio, do
your weights, do yourself, you know, introspection meditation,
whatever you need me for hours, like that's a, that's a whole
day that's like no one has four hours.
Most people have an hour or two of discretionary time but if you
block your time out and you get to bed early and don't, you
know, don't waste time in between, you can squeeze it in
and it It's that, you know, it's a I don't want to say the best
part of my day but I pray that you know, I need it.
It's a my tones me down, it gets me up and motivated.
It's just like an all-encompassing just a good
time for me to just get grounded and get get moving, you know,
and most people work, an eight-hour work day.
I may spend five of those hours watching cat videos on YouTube.
So that anyone once you have such a very limited amount of
time to work with, you get incredibly efficient at making
the most of that time. Yeah.
And and your efficiency gets even better with those things as
you go because you're constantly saying oh I didn't I didn't
realize I'm wasting time doing that.
I can cut that out. You know.
I mean it's just like dieting. I'm not as lean as I want to be
well. Where can I cut first?
Where was the most painless meal to cut from?
Oh I'm never hungry. There's time.
So on that one I just trimmed back you know cut portion sizes
or remove a something you know it's always it's just you just
constant adaptation constant Improvement.
Inventory. You know what I mean?
Totally talk to me about the movement.
Like, last time we spoke. You had not yet moved to your
new place in Utah. Correct.
Yep. Yeah, we build a big custom home
and that was the crazy experience for a couple to go
through between the working with Builders coordinating financing.
Its ahead of construct constructions terrifying.
It's just it's just a mess you know it's Murphy's Law,
everything will go wrong and we we went through hell and back
but we got our Dream Home out of it and we were in there for two
years now, almost on the dot. And it's been, it's been awesome
man. It's been great.
Just building a little nest and having a cool place to have the
kids around. And we designed the home from
the ground up. So it's got everything we wanted
and it's in the ideal location. So yeah, it's a, it's awesome
man. Helps me stay motivated every
day to kick ass at work and provide sort of a legacy or just
a cool cool place for my kids to grow up.
Can you run smack dab in the middle of the mountains now too?
Yeah, right on the side of the hill and the unit, I'll actually
live in an open dear unit. So we've actually been able to
hunt deer out of our yard. We are off our off, our back
porch legally. It's a, it's a depredation hunt.
There's a lot of deer in the area, they're they're, they're
Urban deer and so they're trying to thin the herd out.
So there's very specific archery laws, but you can actually hunt
deer, you know, from from your from your yard or within Hulk,
you know, homes. As long as there's no
Complaints. You're not violating, you know,
other people's freedoms. It's a been really cool.
So, couple of the neighbor kids that killed deer right off my
back, porch. Let's color in the perks of
archery hunting. You don't really interfere with
the neighbors livelihood that much.
No. No, it's funny.
I shoot my bow out, in the street up on the hill.
I have an acre but to get the yardage.
I want a sub step out in the street.
So the neighbors drive by and they're always inquisitive and
they'll stop. And so, I'm, I'm always very
bold, and I'll introduce myself and explain what I'm doing.
Link and then let them know. Hey, we hunt here just so, you
know, and you wouldn't believe how many people are like.
Oh, I didn't even know. There was a deer.
Here it is. I'm like they're they're they're
pooping on your grass man. You know, how do you not see
that? Like they're everywhere.
But it just the common guys just their they're oblivious to
hunting and us up there in our camo just scurrying around the
mountain side. They don't even.
I mean, they don't even know, it's just blows my mind.
So I've confronted him about it. So but I'm just trying to break
down barriers. Let him know what I'm doing.
Can't you know help them understand that Hunters are
conservationists and that we're responsible and that we're
homeowners or not bloodthirsty. And we're we're dads, and we
have kids and it's a legacy, and a tradition.
And, you know, it's been really cool thing because that all the
neighbors that are adjacent to me are very on board with the
and even to the point where they'll come over and check them
out. And we've given them me and, you
know, kind of like a little Ambassador in my area for
hunting. Remember, last time we spoke we
talked about hunting as a form of probably the best form of
conservation. Action and now so many people
don't view it in that light, but it seems, as though, that's
gotten a lot more publicity as of late, especially with like,
Joe Rogan and campaigns putting out content Non-Stop about how
hunting can be so great. There's so many other people.
So many influences, like, yourself, putting out some of
the content. It seems like the mainstream
public is starting to grasp. Hold of that now.
Yeah, I think, I think they're pulling a lot of the middle
grounders, you know, people that are, maybe, maybe city Folk, but
come from traditional, Families. But I feel like it's definitely
more polar now than it's ever been.
So like the far left there more ramped up than ever, because
they have more content to feel their fire.
They have their platforms ramped up.
Just like we do. So, you know, if you look at a
spectrum like the hot has gotten hotter, the cold has gotten
colder, but I feel like we're able to pull a lot more of that.
Lukewarm mid-range type guys towards honey, because guys like
Joe Rogan who's, you know, pretty middle grounded as far as
like his politics and social. So, Stances is kind of
explaining the big picture behind, and I feel like he's
probably the best Ambassador out there for hunting right now
because he's not sponsored, he's not, he's not a mouthpiece for a
big bow company. He's just a cool-ass guy knows a
lot about everything respected by all.
And he's just given a really good unbiased First, first-hand
Express, you know, interpretation of what it all
is, and he's spot on, dude, I mean you Really is a good
Hunter. He's a great shoots of Bill
religiously, and he's killed some huge shit.
So he's got my respect as a hunter and has every every right
to voice his opinion and kind of corralled the troops around
around the real, the, real meaning behind it.
I've met you'll never meet a bow hunter, that's a bloodthirsty,
you know, beer drinking redneck, you know, Savage out, just
killing stuff. Bow Hunters are much more
calculated in conservation minded and All in, that's a
year-round thing for them. It's a cultural thing.
You know, it's very, very all-encompassing, you know.
So, I've been always been a big fan of bow hunting him and I
mean, it's like, if you were to dissect hunting on a holistic
level, like, but hunting is the art form of hunting.
There's art forms involved with other other disciplines of
hunting but bow hunting. Specifically, like it's I've got
a lot of respect for it because it correlates so well, with what
I've learned in bodybuilding. I mean, you have to be
disciplined, you have to be consistent.
Have to be, you know, just on, on your game when it comes to,
you know, staying in shape be on top of your nutrition, be able
to hike up and down Mountain Cliffs and be consistent with
your shot placement. Like you can't, you can't skip
shooting your bow for eight months out of the year and then
expect to be on point when it's when the time comes to put a
well-placed shot on a minimal hundred percent.
Yeah. And a rifle you can you can set
your rifle in the case and take it out the night before the hunt
and make sure it's the you know, hitting its Mark and then go do
go handle business in the morning bows.
Are they there? Little more demanding than that
and not just like you said that the practicing where you're
maintaining your muscle memory and the twist, you know, the
strength in your arms and a focus.
The the we there's very there's a lot of repetitions in boat,
bow hunting, where you're drawing the bow, you're
anchoring, you're resting. You're citing your it's a
they're all systems and you have to have those like just
secondhand they have to become part of you but also your
equipment. It demands more time.
You can't just pick up a bow and just go launch.
You've got to have your boat. To do, you have to have your
arrows have to be straight and fletched and your broad heads
out to be sharp. And you know what I mean
everything has to be loyal and functioning properly and
optimally and you have to be on top of it for that to happen.
It's not just going to sit in the case for eight months and
then just pull it out and work for you bows.
Demand a lot more attention. So it's a physical thing, it's a
mechanical thing. It's a mental thing and it's
challenging as hell. Like you said, like very, very
similar to bodybuilding in that respect.
It's very similar to bodybuilding, it's not Show by
most because it is kind of a fringe culture.
But man, when you meet a bow hunter and you know there are
real bow hunter not just you know quote unquote are quote,
bowhunter, you're like bodybuilder, you know, you're
like okay, we're instantly buddies because the whole world,
you know, you just zoned out like 99% of the BS if you got to
the meat on the bone and you can and, you know, empathize with
each other and really relate because you both been down that
path. What do you think is the
defining moment? That characterizes, somebody as
a boat Hunter like I love bow hunting but I'll be the first to
admit that I'm pretty new and bowhunting.
I've been hunting my whole life. Bow hunting has been something.
I've only picked up in the past few years and I don't think I
even get the right to call myself a bow hunter yet.
So like your mind, what is it that that categorizes somebody
has a bow hunter? Well, you know, that's a good
question. I mean not to sound like an
elitist in any way because it because it is, there are levels
of quote-unquote Bowhunters. I think it's more just once
you've made the switch in your mind that you Want to do it that
way. I think the day you have a rifle
laying next to a bow and you grab a bow.
You're a bow hunter because you're choosing the harder
route. You're saying, I'm committing to
go this way even though I could do the easier thing.
It's, I love rival hunting, don't get me wrong.
I've killed tons of stuff with my guns and I love rifle hunting
and in Utah. In the west, you get different
hunting permits based on weapons.
So you can get special bow permit.
You can get special rifle permits, but But you're, you
know, when you get a rifle permit it's a lot higher success
rates, the trophy qualities are higher because you have no
better better reach. You can get out there and
connect whereas the bow hunting maybe you don't have the same
trophy potential you have a lot more difficulty Harvest rates
are lower so I feel like you've reached the bow hunter status
when you choose to bow hunt when you have other options honestly.
And for each person, that's a different level.
I mean, we're all, you know, at different levels in our bow
hunting career, You learn as you go, the more stocks you fell on
the the more you relish, those close calls to the eventual
connection where you actually Harvest an animal.
I mean, you're basically just building an archers education
that's that's unique to you and it's doesn't matter to anyone
else because there's no pedigree, there's no diploma on
the wall. It's basically just memories and
skills and, you know, knowledge that you're just stacking up in
your head. So I think Once you just make
the, the the switch down that path, your you're already there,
it's just how far that path you go.
That really kind of determines what kind of bow hunter, you
are, and totally. I mean, I'm used to hunting in
Arkansas, which is all pretty, pretty thick.
I mean, my longest shots like, 200 300 yards tops but a lot of
it is like in a Thicket, you know?
So I could just as easily be within bow range but be using a
Muzzleloader or like a slug gun or something close range rifle,
but I've done a lot of hunting out west here lately and then
has Totally increase, my pre, she a ssion for successful?
Bow hunting. Because hung out west, where
you're in Open Country. I mean, any shot that are any
any animosity. I'm like, man, I could totally
knock that thing down with a rifle butt to get within 3040,
you know, 50 yards with a bow. It's like a whole nother sport.
Yeah, 100%. And I never, ever, ever want to
be like you said an elitist or I'm only a bow hunter become as
man, dude, if if you're out hunting and you're using a slug
gun or you're in a tree stand, Dad or your hunting over Texas
corn. Feeder and you're smiling, dude,
you're doing it right? That's the whole point of it.
It's a fulfillment. We're we're set.
We're on this order to provide when we got hunter-gatherers,
man. That's just what we do.
And I would never judge someone for loving the way they do it
because I've done it all and it's all fun and I've shot pigs
04, feeders. And I had a blast and I shot him
out of helicopters. And I mean you you name it,
there's lots of ways to get there, but the bow hunting for
me. Personally, it's just been a
little bit more rewarding because It takes a lot more
commitment, especially out west, where, like you said, just
seeing an animal finding it, that doesn't mean anything.
I mean, the hunt doesn't even start until you get to within
100 yards with a rifle. I mean, you should set.
You see it out to eight, nine hundred yards.
So I think you missed out on a lot of the cool experiences that
you would have had if you would have made the commitment to go
after it with the bow. But that also comes with the
double-edged sword of your might go home empty-handed.
Most the time with the bow as well, 100% Let's talk about you,
man. I mean you are you are
definitely what I would consider a bow junkie.
Get more bows anybody know they're all like dipped in these
cool different color patterns like what are you shooting right
now? So I kind of you know, my social
media platforms, the kind of just kind of taking a back
burner with my business and family stuff.
This last few years I was really active with Hoyt Archery for
like five or six years. I was on there prostaff.
I did renew this year just because I'm not We bring in much
to the table as far as social media content anymore because
like I said it just kind of gone a different path but I still
have all my height carbon bows. I shoot a heart carbon rx4 right
now and it's just they're just a masterpiece of by of mechanics
and physics and weight and durability and they're just
they're just amazing. Do you shooting a carbon Arrow
out of a carbon bowl with 300 feet per second and you can hit
a pie plate at 120 yards. Words with it.
I mean it's just Lethal, lethal, tunable, consistent, repeatable,
reliable, you know, they're just Bowser badass men.
They're unbelievable. And there's so freaking lethal.
You just don't, you don't appreciate what that thin
drinking, straw, you know, looking are owed can do to an
animal when you hit it, in the Bible's with a razor blade
tipped Arrow shaft that's traveling at high speed like
that. I mean, it's some actually a
very ethical way to kill when it's done properly because the
animals most of the time Don't even recognize that they've been
hit and they kind of look around confused and they tip over.
I mean, it's just, it's so lethal.
The hemorrhaging, it causes. It's very, very quick and
efficient, you know? So, it's Bowser.
Bowser. Awesome.
Yeah, man, it's kind of like, a lot of people don't realize how
like I'm not a deer. I never been shot but I would
assume getting a well-placed arrow through your vitals at
that speed. With that small of a diameter
shaft is pretty similar to getting cut on the finger with a
sharp. You don't even know what's
happened to you to see the blood and these animals will get shot
the walk around. Look around like nothing's
happened and it was drop over dead, you know, 60 seconds
later. Like that's that's a pretty
humane way to do things. If you ask me, I agree, I agree.
Now, the one thing with bow hunting is a mean.
If you make an error on a shot, you know, your your got the
complete opposite effect. Now you got a an injured animal
which most people probably would have a hard time believing but I
trust in absolutely ashamed of myself.
When that happens because I'm there.
To kill the animal efficiently and quickly.
I don't want it to suffer and if It suffers that my hand I
actually am completely ashamed of myself.
Whether it's my poor judgment, lack of preparation, lack of
equipment, maintenance whatever, whatever cause they are the poor
shot execution. As a hunter, we take it upon
ourselves as like, that, that's my bad.
I messed that up and that animal suffered as a result, I want to
kill the animal. I want to put it in my freezer
but Also want to die quickly and humanely, because I care about
the animal. And so, yeah, it's a, it's a
very, very fine line there where your ethics in your your shot
selection and your shot execution are very, very they're
all tied together. Very closely where, you know, a
dreaming situation where you kill an animal quickly and
efficiently could turn into an absolute nightmare when maybe
your arrow doesn't hit spot and you wound the animal and he runs
off you know bleeding and you have to track him and and put
another arrow in him hours later and that's that's a nightmare
for a bow hunter because we just thought what we We want that's
not optimal, total agreement throughout the year.
What is your what is your protocol like for putting in the
rip? So to speak when it comes to
practicing with your boat, like you have a lot of 3D Target set
up or you just got like a house that structures that you're kind
of keeping things short. Yeah so yeah with a bow you have
a they call them blocks that they're usually a styrofoam or
some type of a phone composite block.
They're usually 18 inches cubed. So it's just a big hunk of
rubber or foam that will stop your arrows.
And I shoot those in my basement.
I have a angled like corner to corner.
I can shoot 20 yards in my basement.
So two or three days a week. I'll go down there and just
launched 10 to 20 arrows. And just, I mean at that range,
I could hit a dime. So I literally have little spots
with magic markers on the Block painted and I just shoot the
spots with arrows and so I just just to get him to keep the
muscles in check. Keep my hands just to keep
everything. Well, to keep the boat moving
those strings, you know, there's a lot of Moving Parts on a bow
and the strings can stretch, Russ can set in, you know, the
Cab's, the limbs can warp a little bit.
I mean, as long as the bows moving and you're on top of it,
you'll what you'll be able to see any issues before they
become serious. And that's basically it,
especially during the winter time.
It's not fun to shoot it outside in the cold, especially if you
have to wear gloves in the code. I mean it's just not optimal.
So if I could just shoot my basement, my flip-flops and I
just launched corner to corner into that block.
Luckily bows really accurate? Not On what I've never put an
arrow through my drywall. But yeah, my, you know, my wife.
The first time she saw me doing it was just like, whoa, what's
this? You know what are we doing here?
Explain explain yourself because I'm, you know, shoot arrows, you
know, in my basement of my house, but she's not used to it
and it's kept me busy and kept me out of her hair so it's
freakin therapy man. Like every single day when I get
done running, I'll come back to the house and I'll sling a few
arrows, you know like 10 15 arrows and that's like the cap
for the end of the day, man. Once was, the sun's going down
and I'm slinging a few arrows. I could just turn things off at
that point. That's when the relaxation
starts. Yeah, it's pretty.
Really relaxing. It's very, very like I don't
want to stay spiritual. What is it?
You're self-aware like like when you're when you draw the bow
back, it's your you can hear your brain being, you can,
you're focusing on a pan that's you know, tent.
What is a tenth of a millimeter in diameter and so you're
looking down the string at this tiny little dot.
You can see See if you're shaking, you can see if the pins
moving because all that is compounded, you know, like, you
feel like your hand is still until you look at that painting.
Like, wow, I'm really. So you have to, like, literally
learn how to control your breathing and to shoot on when
you're breathing you, when you're exhaling and it's just
torquing, your grip a little bit to make sure the bows more
stable. And there's just a whole
compounding, you know, coordination of like of All Your
Mind, Body Soul to give it to get that Arrow to fly true.
And, but what it It's just so poetic you just watch, you
noticed launch off the string and just nail a Target and it's
just awesome kind of percent you ever do any shooting with like
traditional archery like recurve Longbow.
Yeah. So we do that because carbon
arrows out of carbon bows, explode.
When they hit the ground so you don't really go around and shoot
like squirrels or bunnies or other things like that with the
regular bow you'd use a we call them tried bows or traditional
bows because they're not high velocities and you could Go
through arrows, you just go, pick them up.
I mean, if I miss a squirrel, I can just go grab my arrow.
If I miss a, you know, a grouse or in a bird and these are all
animals. I eat, I mean, I eat squirrels,
I bunny is anything. I kill obviously eat, but yeah,
I have a Chad bone for that. Plus, it's great with kids,
they're really easy to learn. All my girls have picked red
bows. And my boys will get their bows
as they go to, but it's just a nice way to like transition,
someone in a bow hunting, I'm sure.
Most people shot a traditional bow like it in their gym class
and All school or a scout camp and they're just like the big
quote-unquote. Robin Hood bows.
You know, we're ready to choose your fingers.
Compound bows are a lot more technicals.
So try. Those are just super fun.
They're very look like low pressure.
Just kind of a nice way just to kind of share.
Share the passion with people without getting too technical to
over the top. Totally totally.
I want to get a little technical here on on set up because I'm
shooting like when I first got my bow, I walk them to the boat
shop in my head. I don't know a thing about what
I'm getting here. Fix me.
Up with something good to start with and they hook me up with an
r x 3. And this was when that first
came out, is there much of a difference between that and the
for no not really, you know, you bought like it's like buying a
2020 Ford Raptor and it get a 2021.
Obviously they salesman's going to pitch you on the new tweaks
but they're both awesome trucks. You're in great hands like I as
a sponsored athlete. I get a couple of bows a year so
I'm obviously moving the new bow because the old Beau is old
quote unquote is fixed. Old, and they got something
better for me, but I always recommend to boast boast
Bowhunters. A good boat should last, you
five to ten years easily because the technology is just so
Advanced. So yeah, your rx-3 is badass and
I your, yeah, you got a great bow.
Now, here's the next question. I'm shooting a multi-pin site
and I've got a whisker biscuit. Now, whisker biscuit sir funny
thing man. Like you start putting too much
time online and people will dog you for using a whisker biscuit.
Yeah, they Rogan actually Talked about me on the program with
campaigns and John Dudley couple years ago because I'm such a
big, whisker biscuit Advocate, you know, whatever guys are
involved in. Whether it's football, hockey
monster trucks bowhunting golf guys are experts and there and
I'll be all, you know, only one way works type approach to
everything. Like you know, guys is argue
about anything. They do any hobby and there's
never Middle Ground No, you came.
It's almost like tribalism, or you have to choose a side and
risk, your biscuits are no different.
What a whisker biscuit is for those who don't know, when you
have your arrow drawn back, there's a rest, it's the front
piece of the front component of the bow.
That holds the arrow. While you pull back because the
are you don't want to attract Bo use your finger to balance it
with your biscuit, is a rest, and there's different types of
rests. Most of which are mechanical,
they are almost like a fork stick that rise up and they hold
the arrow off. Off of the bow itself to kind of
float it and then when the string pushes the air that drops
away and they're called Fall Away, rests the whisker, be
expressed, but he uses thin polymer whiskers to kind of
create a cradle for the arrow to sit in and they've always been
touted as kind of the beginner rest because they're fell proof.
You know, you slide the air in there.
It doesn't fall out, doesn't fall off.
The boat could be crooked sideways upside down, it'll
still hold it because those polymer fibers are holding air.
Place and the crush on it is you know bow Hunters that are quote
unquote, good bow hunters or experience Advanced bow Hunters
they've moved on to those more technical mechanical rests and
they're always going to bag on the beginner stuff because you
know you got to progress and get move on to the badass hardcore
stuff. Well, problem with me is I've
had follow a rest fell on me numerous times and Specialty out
west because they're, they're they're operated with the cable
system, small, small cords and wires that pull and push and
back. Chemical Parts.
If you're hiking around an oak brush Sagebrush before us the
branches, they snag those little cables.
They snag. Those little cords and they
break and they twist, and they torque.
And now your boat doesn't work. So I like whisker biscuit,
because it's practical. It's simple and it's fail-proof.
I've never had one. Let me down, they don't look
cool but they work. And so that's that's the big
debate most guys that are big Paulie, guys mean, if they shoot
paper, it tournaments, or they're sitting in a tree stand,
See they're all the way rest. Probably function perfectly but
out west it's just too much for me to worry about and the
accuracy arguments are endless. But I've seen Pigman.
If you go on YouTube right now, Google pig man, he shoots 100
yards and he's not even a good bow hunter, literally shoots
three arrows in 100-yard Target. They're probably three out three
to four inches apart with a whisker biscuit.
So you can't tell me accuracies an issue because he just did it.
And I've obviously done it many times, I'm just giving you some
more, you know. Yeah, I'm with ammunition.
You need someone to, you know, prove it to you, but just go
with what works for, you know, lots of people have opinions out
there, but you got to go with your own personal experience and
guidance. I think you're fine with what
you have. Yeah.
I mean, I'm a fan of things that are built like a freaking tank
and I don't have to worry about my gun.
I'm not my beau getting off or snagging something up with a
whisker busy because it's pretty much foolproof.
I mean, it's just nothing, nothing's bad going to happen to
as long as you don't throw it off a cliff.
Yes, sir. And it really is very consistent
repeatable and there They're cheap, they're just good.
It's a, you know, you got what the bow, you own it, for those
that know, I mean, who are x 3 is the top-of-the-line carbon
bow. It's like a, I'm sure with all
your equipment is probably, well, over 2,000 2,500 dollars,
just for the bow, it's, hey, you're putting a rest on at
that's 40 bucks. So, most people would say, what
you got to 42,000 are beau. Let's put a 200 dollar rest on
there because it's better. Well, not necessarily, you know?
So that's that's where the arguments coming from and I
could get it, that's fine. To each his own.
You know, you're not going to convince me either way because
I'm the one that's out depending on it in the field and I've had
follow ways, let me down, that's enough times it.
I'm not going down that path again.
This is honestly a great segue for nutrition because we were
kind of talking before we started recording event.
How you're all a balance, you know, application, how things
affect you personally? I mean and you see this all the
time in the nutrition space and I've honestly just got an
exhaust with there's so many. So many studies out there now
and I'm all for scientific studies.
More for, you know, pushing the envelope and really diving into
the mechanism, as to why things work and how it impacts the
body, but so much. So to the point that people are
getting like they're just, you know, cherry-picking data there
their finger, pointing at whatever study they want the
backs up their claims. And with that, you get all this
noise in the nutrition and fitness space and I would put
100% more emphasis on people that are practicing with their
preaching and living the damn thing every single day and
seeing success with it. And you've been doing A lot of
experimentation here lately as well.
So what are some things that you've noticed and you played
around with? You were messaging on Instagram
and Steve recently come out of this massive car Buffalo
basically, right? Yeah.
So I did, I mean, I'm terrible
but I compete as a bodybuilder for 45 years, but I've tried all
the protocols and I've very, very oriented or in a very, very
regimented. As we said earlier, just OCD.
So it's easy for me to diet because I can measure my food
and I don't cheat. When I heard the word cheat me
like it didn't make any sense of like, well, he's at, these are
my macros. Where does the cheat no fit in
there. Like, how does that work?
You know, I got a protocol and there's nowhere on in there that
says cheat meal, that doesn't fit.
So I've never had a problem, eating whatever, I need to eat
or trying to whatever I try to get a specific result.
I found Quito in 2017, transition from a moderate carb,
high protein diet Taquito. And you know, just like a kid
with pulling the training wheels.
Off a bike. I can kind of swerve left to
right. Was he a pound of bacon?
A day felt like dog shit. Went the other way went
completely organic did think I was eating enough meat so you
know the macros and everything's you know, you got to be seventy
twenty, fifth, twenty five, whatever.
I just learned to kind of just tweak that over the years and I
got into a sweet spot where I wasn't even really worried about
the percentages more. Just like, okay, this is the
protein range where I feel optimal, this is the fat range,
right? For optimal.
This is the fiber range. I feel optimal.
I just kind of did my own thing and I felt like I got a really
great result for kedo. I was super lean vascular.
It kept really thin skin. I was never in Flames.
I always had just look really dry and crisp but I really
really got weak over time and I need just did straight grip
strength squatting. I could do volume but not high,
higher weight and I just kind of like hit a wall when I was like
sick of it. As Just like I missed being
strong, I meant to be in big eye.
I'm 6 feet tall and on keto, I got down to like 180 185 pounds
and then still this last year and a half, especially with
covid. I just got bored of the keto
diet and I said, Lee, I'm gonna go back a few carbs and I
prescribe to a car protocol from a big bodybuilding Guru and kind
of followed their, their system basically, flipped the macros
from fats to carbs me as I told you, it's 80 degrees from Quito
is the carb diet. I did almost no fat, very high
card, very moderate protein, low protein actually, about a gram
per pound, and I did a heavy bolt for two years.
I got up to about 245 pounds. So 65 pounds above my keto.
And again, my strength gains were awesome.
I could lift more than I've ever lifted.
I was just big and round and full and puffy and you know just
like cards tend to do but But after a year and a half that I
just did a cut right now and I cut carbs dramatically and I'm
back down to 200 pounds but just super lean and feel great and
sex drives, great that, you know, all of the underlying
factors are there, and I made a good point to cruise now.
So just just get that a little experiment on myself.
And you know, I've learned over time that out, they all these
diets work, they all have their pros and their cons.
You just got to find the diet that you don't feel like you're
you're suffering in that. I feel like you can maintain an
Embrace for long periods of time and you know, for now I'm
actually not doing a full keto diet.
I'm doing a low carb high protein high fat, moderate fat
diet and I feel great and I may just get the itch to go right
back to Quito again and do that. I just, you know, just playing
it week by week basically. Yeah, the cool thing about
nutrition is like you can you can reach a body composition.
Go most people can reach that their compositional go with a
variety of different types of that.
There's not necessarily one Size fits all when it comes to
nutrition. It's just really a matter of
what is more sustainable for you, and what do you feel?
You know, most optimal with and I've done a whole bunch of
different, you know, dietary experiments as well.
For me that's been higher fat approach with the Ketone with a
protein, very low total carbs. But I think one thing that you
said that super important is that be regards to the diet,
there's there's benefits to being in a phase where you're in
a surplus and really focusing on building and there's benefits to
being in the face when you're in a deficit and focus on cutting.
And if you were to take whatever diets you want, but then
Implement that building and cutting phase into it.
I feel like you're going to get a host of benefits just from
that. All right, I totally agree.
In fact, I never tried to do a keto bolt and so I probably
something I will try in the next few years.
Luckily, I'm only 40, I'll be bodybuilding for the next 30
Years easily so I got plenty of time to try a whole bunch of
different protocols and the one thing I did love about Quito was
as vain stupid as it sounds. I just love being dry.
Just Jack all the time. I mean, like, by 7:00 at night,
now I'm full of water and carbs and I'm, you know, I'm 10.
Well pounds heavier than my morning weight and puffy.
And I I look good, but I'm not jacked, you know, keto.
I just I just miss having just those spaghetti veins, all the
way down my legs all the time, wear short shorts showing off my
medialis and just you just your legs.
Look great. They look ridiculous right now.
Back when I used to post workout videos on Instagram, my leg
videos that get like ten thousand, use my upper body.
We get like three just because my legs were just there so Jack.
What that was all Quito. I've never Been able to get that
dry on carbs. So I met God, I may go back just
for that this because it feels so good.
And I as far as inflammation and joint pain aching and stuff.
I mean, there's none with keto. I mean, there's just none, you
just, you feel so efficient. I just missed being strong and
that was the only thing I just was like, man, I just miss
picking up those 120 dumbbells and wrapping them out.
I mean, on keto, I don't think I could have done hundreds but I
could have done the 70s 45 times, you know.
Yeah, for a Phil you gotta track either with the with being in a
bulk phase though, man. I wonder if those hundred twenty
pound dumbbells and feel the same.
If you're in a caloric Surplus, I could, I could.
What happens to me is, as much as I love fat.
I don't know if I could just, I don't know if I could just go
Surplus a fat and enjoy it. Like, I enjoy eating a big bowl
of rice on leg day, you know, and I don't it didn't ever
appetize me it Quito. For me, is for cutting like,
it's satiating soffel, if you feel so full so easily that it
was so easy to cut on keto. I don't know if I like the keto
palette as much to gain the weight and try that.
But again, like, I'm a, you know, I change my wet all the
time and there's, there's no doctor just me, it's like, oh,
I'm just maybe in a month or two.
I'll give it a whirl. When I do, I know I'm reaching
out to you because you've obviously dialed that, right in,
and your bricks are super good. I ate one.
They're gay and Ivy, I couldn't believe how good it wasn't.
Like I could probably both with this that you have to be like a
treat like that, where it's commits the macros.
But in my brain, I'm seeing you. I'm not supposed to be eating
this, you know. Yeah, I'm right there with you
mean. Like when I get to a point where
I'm in a pretty significant Surplus, like I just don't like
eating like when I'm in a deficit that could eat until the
till the cows come home. But when I'm in a surplus or
like a Tipping Point in which like it's just a chore to eat
and when you're eating carbs, just a lot more hyper palatable
obviously so it's easier. To get that Surplus reached.
But yeah, it's funny how you can be in a surplus and just not
like eating, but then you're in a deficit and that's all I can
think about. Now, that's so true, like I,
like I said, I personally, I purse at satiated like you, you
really do you eat fat and it fills you up and protein so
quickly. And so you feel so good.
You're literally telling yourself.
I know I want to gain weight but I don't need to eat more whereas
with carbs and you know, this is an addictive property and car's
rear like well can I eat more? Because I want to It's a it's a
strange thing. I don't want to sound like I'm a
victim to my my appetites but it just it's easier to bulk on
carbs because I want to throw down more cars.
I never want to throw down more fat.
I'm always full and happy and ready to go to work.
And I almost feel like I'm purposely like sabotaging my my
results by eating extra fat. When I'm already, where I want
to be, when I was with cards like oh yeah I'm going to give
in now because I'm gonna go do legs and crush it and burn this
glycogen off and I'm going to earn it.
You know it's a very Very different mindset.
It's almost like a completely different language.
You're speaking when you're eating what you know the two
hundred percent bring me up to speed on the businessman.
Last time we talked. You were you were big into
apparel at that point? Is that it's still a focus or
kind of what's the what's the main?
What's when things get your attention as far as the business
world is concerned? Yes.
So social media for me, like I told you previously just kind of
go on the back burner, my wife and I we built this big home.
We have a big big day care business that we own.
I'm a loan officer. It's amazing right now.
So I'm just crushing it on this and we bought a building where
you're managing a commercial property or just we're just, you
know, we're in that 40s growth phase of just building our
portfolio and planning our retirement building, you know,
our Legacy for our kids. And I've just been working so
hard that, you know, the summit brand in My Apparel and
everything online was super fun for me.
It was a great hobby to help pay for all my toys and all my, my
hunts and all that stuff, but I'm able just to make so much
more money doing these other things.
Is that I cannot justify the time to do the apparel and do
the orders and do all that stuff.
I mean, it was, it was like almost like a an era in my life
where it was the bomb. And now I'm like, I don't think
I want to do that right now, but like I said stuff always, you
know, comes back to me and I get bored with games or I get to
A-Rod and maybe the rate. So increasing will have more
discretionary time and maybe I'll jump back on that again.
It was, it was super cool. It was another thing that you
talked about with with dieting like Building a social media
brand. There's there's no, there's no
handbook to do it. You it's all practical
application. You have to be out of litical
about your results. You have to try different
things, you have to go and do certain types of posts create
certain types of content, see where the response is.
Come from, see where you monetize the most see where your
time is best spent. And it really, it's not
something you share too much because I you know, you're
dealing with the competition. So it's almost like the more I
learn the less I talk about it. But it was fun, look kind of
building that social media brand and now I've noticed with with
especially like the Instagram platforms.
I mean they are filtering content so much on there.
I've almost gotten lost in the the mix of it because what used
to work doesn't work anymore because I know I do a lot of
political posts now because I, you know, I'm a 40 year old old
man died, all the sudden make care about politics and that
stuff to my analytics completely.
I lose followers all the time and I gain, Followers, there's a
net loss and I'm just like, there's no way.
I'm just dropping followers like this.
There's no way like it's just not possible, but I don't trust
the platform enough to to really put in a lot of time and effort.
You know. I I'm still cruising around
80,000, Instagram, followers, or whatever, but it was a lot
higher three years ago. Yeah.
It's that. I don't know what's changed.
Yeah, it's so weird. It's a weird landscaper in as
far as social media goes, I mean it's probably been a healthy
thing that you've taken some time off from social media.
Because there's times where I'm like, man, I owe everything to
Social and I Do by the same time.
It's like man I kind of like the idea of just throwing all the
social media accounts away for a while and just focusing on real
life, you know. Yeah, it's it is definitely
something. I I still posting a lot of my
family and I I'm always cruising on there to see how my friends
are doing and just the pick the pages I follow.
But my own personal content is definitely taking a back burner
and with social media. Especially I mean if you're not
authentic and you're not really doing For the right reasons,
your your your I don't want to say your, I would say your
audience is the best word. Hate the word followers.
Your audience is obviously going to be less interested, less
engaged, because they can smell that sincerity and the, the, you
know, the genuine product they can smell bullshit from miles
away. So if your heart's not in it,
you're you're wasting your time. 100% man, 100%.
Well, I kind of want to round this out with what's sketchy
excited, man. Like you get, you know, six
kids. Now to newborns Suns.
Like what what's the thing that's gets you most excited
right now? I just tracing these little
guys. I mean, I'm 40 and I look back
at that and I think of like 40 year old, so old but I'm 40 and
I'm not old, you know, and I'm like, okay, when I'm 50, these
guys are 10. And they're playing literally
when I'm 60, they're playing high school college sports.
When I'm 70 there, you know, on their third or fourth kid.
Like I just love that. I'm 40 years old and I'm not
even a third of the way again, as far as I count, it's like
this kicks ass. I'm starting to get Lifestyle
the Really, really excited about my marriage.
My kids, my business is my Little Empire.
We're building, you know, the world's a freaking Advanced
right now, put the political scene makes me sick, but my
little microcosm, my little world that I have control over,
is thought I need and it's, it's just it's optimal, it's awesome.
So I'm just excited man, I'm figuring things out every day
and I got a lot of time to keep the plan.
So that's the name of the game, man.
Like I was stuck. On your Instagram prior to
jumping on this podcast and it's like you do post a lot of
political stuff and, you know, depending on which way people
lean that that's either going to be great news or bad news.
But like I looking to see all your kids with big old smile on
their face. You know, you got a big smile on
your face and you're doubling down on the things that you have
direct control over, which is your family.
And I feel like so many people in the world, right now would
benefit immensely from focusing on that focus on the things that
they have direct control over as opposed to fixating on these
These arbitrary metrics and and governmental powers that be that
they have no voice in. I mean so many people let that
determine the outcome of their day's activities in their
overall mood. And I feel like if you just
focus on the people in your life that you directly interact with
every single day, everyone will be happier, 100% man.
Nothing to add to that one. Not at all, I love it, man.
What's always a pleasure catching up with you, brother?
I'm excited to see if you. I'm sure you'll have some some
deer and some elk or something bag by the end of this year.
Yeah, I saw that freezer that, that fridge freezer in your
house and that thing right there.
I mean, he'll that deserves a podcast in its own.
Yeah. It just got its got a, I've
almost. So I'm proud to say, you're
going to love this, but I eaten and Elk by myself this year, I'm
about 15 to 20 pounds left of about 400 pounds of elk.
So I consumed impound stick white bowl out by myself in one
calendar year. So, those are very Granite right
thing, for sure. Yeah, pretty badass.
First time I've actually done, I usually give away a lot of meat
that this one I kept in Hornet, and I've just been nibbling on
it every week and it's slowly slowly, but surely almost gone.
So, what's been your go-to way of cooking?
Cooking them? Because they're pretty.
I mean, they're pretty lean, like venison.
Yeah, I from Pro flavor, but, but how do you get that?
Like, the filet dude, salt Butter pants, here super rare
just Sizzle on both sides and throw it down.
The only way to eat rare game need is Cancer it I like it.
I like we had a we've been in the middle of moving and I've
got this massive chest freezer and the thing I don't like about
chest freezers is that you never really know what's the very
bottom of it. You start digging around you
find things, you didn't know you him and there's this had several
lamb and mule deer chunks that were from 2019 and what the hell
does going to do with it? So I did like a slow roast in
the Crock-Pot and that all turned out really.
Surprisingly well, I mean, it was super tender and that's the
way I want to do all my old meat because you would Never know
that it's older. Yeah, for sure.
That makes sense. Good move for sure.
Let's man, like said always a pleasure catching up with you
Zach. Definitely.
Keep me posted as things changed and you get out in the woods
this year. What can people go to find and
follow more about you just my Instagram is just that Griffith
underscore, calm. So like Jack Griffith.com is my
website and my Instagram's is EAC.
Griffig1 tea. H underscore, calm awesome.
Well, thanks again for jumping on here.
Happy hunting. And Tell the family, the whole
crew. I said, howdy everybody.