Hello, ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks kiddo.
Savage.com, and today I've got special guest Maria emmerich on
the line and we dive into all things nutrition.
We talk about Carnival, we talk about cutting coffee, we talk
about Dairy which talk about the protein, sparing modified fast,
and satiety per calorie, talk about all kinds of things.
How to build muscle parenting around certain foods that you
would want your kids to eat certain foods, you would not
thoroughly into the conversation.
I've met with Maria on numerous occasions at various conferences
and I always enjoy chatting with And I've got no doubt that you
will take something from this conversation.
So without further Ado sit back relax and do a podcast with
Maria emmerich. And we are lying.
Maria, how are you? I'm great.
How are you doing? How's that baby treating you
he's the best, he's the best. He's 10 months old as of just a
few days ago and he's just so much personality.
Now I just love him to pieces. Oh, and it grows, and it grows
and it grows that is just such a great time.
How old are yours now? 12 and 13.
Well dirty. So we, we homeschooled since
even before covid, but yeah, their personalities grow as they
grow. It's pretty wild.
What is the what's the homeschooling been like?
As we're probably, we're leaning towards that direction, but we
don't really dug into it a whole lot yet.
So don't even know as far as, like, good resources to turn to
with regard to homeschooling. Well, I can't don't give myself
credit but Craig is done all of it but we do the unschooling.
So we don't follow a curriculum. We kind of let their interest
guide it where we go and it's worked out really well.
Obviously, you do the basics, you know, the reading the
writing, and all of that but, you know, my younger one is
really into art and photography. So we do extra and with Colvin
that changed everything. The online classes are pretty
mind-blowing and awesome. So, you know, they'll I'll find
a class about dinosaurs and so, they'll do that.
And it's really fun to be able to because it, you know, you
don't really get those opportunities until maybe later
in high school. If you had a big high school or
college where you could pick these cool classes that actually
stimulated your interest, you know, what was the motivation
for just having that round in the beginning like was there.
Like did you know that you're going to go around at the onset?
No, it was like, okay, it's time for kindergarten to start and I
was like, I don't, I'll miss them and also I feel, you know,
school lunches sad. And I work with so many people,
I remember stories of this type one child, I worked with and
they would get an A, on their math paper and get a huge bag of
Skittles, not just a personal size, but like, a huge bag of
Skittles. And I was just like, I don't
want to be, you know, we're not dogs.
I don't think we should reward. Each other with food.
And they do that a lot in the schools.
So it was, you know, food and also just the bullying and it's
a lot of things, you know? Yeah.
No I think I mean, I was in
public school when I was growing up and I feel like I'm probably
going to sound like everybody else, but it's like, I feel like
things have changed so much since then even and it's like, I
don't really like the direction, things are headed towards when
it comes to the traditional Public School Systems.
No, I know, it's sad and I mean, I was, I taught in the school
for a little while and it's just, I don't know.
I think it worked out really, really well for us and we talk
to them like, because, you know, we still pay a lot in taxes,
they go towards the school and still, we still thinking take
any classes, they want at the school, and we asked them, you
know, do you want to? And they're like, no no interest
whatsoever and they'll fill the like play football and stuff
next year, Michael. In high school so he'll play
some football but we know they're not interested in doing
any classes. Yeah.
It was awesome. And many of the kind of like
have a little bit more oversized to the food.
They're eating probably has another huge benefit and not
having to go through the public school system.
My son eats about 3 tenderloin, steaks for breakfast.
I'm going to be poor, but I don't think that's going to be
possible at the school. Yeah, I would think not, I would
think not. They probably a lot of venison
to, right? Oh yeah.
I know. We're both Hunters are both bow
hunters and we take out that venison really fast.
Yeah let's talk about that because I feel like a lot of
people don't even realize that you do bow hunt and I think
that's like an awesome character trait of yours.
I feel like you should be shouting it from the rooftops.
Thank you, is probably one of my favorite pastimes and I'm not
kidding. When I say that, I we have a lot
of land where we live, and so, every morning, I just it's dark
out. I put my clothes on my hunting
clothes on, and I think I told you, I wear a shower cap because
there's no way I can like, get rid of the smell in my hair
because it's just so big. And so, I wear a shower cap
underneath a hat and I sit for, I mean, every day is different
but you know, it's like 5:00 a.m. so I'll sit until Till it's
time to get some work going or I need to move my body after I sit
so long. I am little restless but I do
love it and I so I go every day and the past few years, I've
gotten some massive box which is not easy.
Like you know what, the bow and arrow and everybody gives me
crap. So that's probably why I don't
talk about it too much. Yeah, I'm just amazed at people
in the keto space in the carnivore.
Space in the meat-based space. Give you crap for hunting stuff
like that. That's that I don't understand.
I remember telling Craig like, oh you know, how come I can't
grow on social media and this and that and he said just be
careful what you wish for the ones that do follow you really
like you. And he's like, when you get so
big, then you get these people that just and I have it now,
especially on my Tick Tock. It's just I posted a video
probably of hunting. And then also, we, instead of a
gingerbread house, we make a meat house with like Prosciutto
and stuff, and it's really fun. But the vegans saw that.
And so I have all these vegans following me that just like,
bash me left and right all the time and I mean I've gotten a
thicker skin as I got older. But yeah on Instagram I got all
these people saying how cruel I was I was you know this and that
and then you would go to their wall and they have pictures of
them eating hamburgers and like well who's the hypocrite here?
I don't all yeah, that makes no sense to me, people, people
online are ruthless, you know, like I wouldn't kristallnacht
first part of the business, you know, we had like, we were just
putting ourselves out there, not really knowing what we're doing
with social media, and then people would just be ruthless
towards us and like, lots of sleepless nights.
But then after a while, you just, you realized you what your
intentions are. And if people are going to
misconstrue your intentions and try and throw shade, and be - I
just honestly, not even worth your time.
But it's hard. I mean I'm a very sensitive
person and so like people like to pick on my size a lot and
it's hurtful, you know, it hurt when they called me thunder,
thighs, as a kid and it hurts when they call me anorexic as an
adult. It doesn't feel good either way,
and I do lose sleep over, and I wish sometimes I wasn't as
sensitive, but then, that would be who I am and what I put into
the world. Yeah.
Are you open to talking about that like people?
People make these accusations towards you, and they assume
you're anorexic. They call you anorexic on social
media, like like a view. I'm assuming you've made post
illustrating that that's not the case and they just, they don't
want any better. I don't know what their
intentions are, it's hard. I know, I know it's hard because
I don't want to draw attention to it.
First of all, I'm not that attention-seeking person, but I
also want people to know, okay? I eat really good food.
I'm very I don't eat any sugar. I don't drink any alcohol.
I don't drink coffee like. I treat my body with honor.
And because of that, I get so much hate and it's sad because
like you said, we're putting like helpful information out
there for free for people and then they just make fun of you
and try to bring you down and I try not to let it bring me down
but they often win. But and they don't know who I
am. They don't know that struggles.
I'm dealing with. I know you did a podcast with
Craig but he suffers Brilliant badly with Ankylosing
Spondylitis, which is where your joints basically, calcify and
turn to Bone. And so he can't move very well
at all. And, like, some days he can't
get out of bed. And so, I take on a lot of the
The jobs of the home and I think that kind of consumed my, you
know, my life for a while and taking care of him and I don't
know. It's like they think that I
don't know. There's there's other things
that people are going through and struggling with and when
they just see your outward appearance, they just feel the
right. Especially it seems like with
covid seems like when we'll just started sitting around their
computers they can they just want to make you feel like less
of a person That's why I like podcast because a podcast, you
can sit down and have a conversation with people.
And like, there's much less room for misconstruing information.
And, you know, just having inaccurate information ignorance
towards what people's intentions are.
You can have a conversation and flesh things out in detail and
the listeners if they're listening, can then better
actually internalize what people are saying.
The point of trying to get across Yeah, you're right.
And I do, I love podcasts. I like to listen to him when I
work out, that's the thing to like, I don't sit still very
well. I'm a mover and a Shaker.
I'm always doing something and so yeah, I mean I'm not I guess
long time ago, I would try to soothe myself with food so I
would make a Panna cinnamon rolls and not the healthy kind,
the bad kind and I did the whole thing.
And I never feel better. It always made me feel worse.
And so I learned at a pretty young age that food doesn't make
me feel better. And so when I am feeling low and
Christ, not doing well, and we have other family, issues
struggles. Illnesses, when I'm dealing with
those. I'm not one to eat a pan of Eber
like my protein cinnamon rolls are, you know, I just I don't
know. So I don't see myself with food
anymore like I used to. Yeah, that's good, that's good.
What, what are some things that people are not know?
Bashing you for throwing shade your way.
Now that you would just like, to clear the air on, is there
anything that's festering or is like that?
Not really being like as enough time elapsed that that's not
really, there's not anything that people are picking on you
for per se. No, it happens.
Often I was on the reverse television show in Costa Rica.
Yeah. And while I was on the show and
they were posting little Clips on Instagram, some people made
some really cruel comments and the producers like hey we need
to talk about this. We had a separate segment about
it but it's just interesting because he's like Maria's here,
she's eating all the food that we're all eating.
She's So running and working out before anybody wakes up, she's
also, you know, doing this and that and so he was really cool
about it, but no one to happens all the time, but I am, I don't
know. I think I talk to you a little
bit about it when we had dinner and New York that I really
wanted to get stronger and so I did start lifting weights and I
put a few pounds of muscle on so I feel I used to lift weights
all the time and I loved it, but then like I was saying like
things in the family, I had to take care of.
So I was the last person. Listen to, you know, take care
of myself but I started it again and it doesn't take a long time
and man I just feel so much better.
Like just I love do it, I love it.
I don't I'm sad that I got out of my habit but it's back in
there and within months I'm so much stronger.
I can bring my paddle board down to the ocean and you know not
have to have help or take a break, bring it down so it's
great being strong and I love you.
The message that you put out there.
Yeah, for like gaining strength. It just Is everyone to try and
maximize lean muscle retention and then building and I feel
like that message off and gets put on the back burner
especially and a lot of the female demographics when like
the main message is seems to be that get a smaller dress size
and I feel like if people are less concerned about what they
weigh and more concerned about the actual body composition,
they have nothing but you know, benefit to gain from it.
Right, right? And a lot of times they're
searching for a number or a lower number.
When, if they would focus on that body composition like the
number might not be lower but their body shapes going to be
like so much better and they feel much so much stronger.
So like that's what I try to emphasize instead of focusing on
a number. Yeah, for sure you'd be really
proud of me. I have quit coffee.
Believe it or not. Yeah he does.
Impose him, you were saying. Everybody should stop drinking
coffee and and that's like, it was like, like the whole the
hush over the room. Just like was very noticeable.
But I quit coffee, I think, mainly because the acidity was
bothering me. Like I had like a lot of not
acid reflux, but I think just the acidity of the coffee was
mess with me. So I quit cold turkey and it's
been probably, I don't know six weeks name of that coffee.
He's even with a baby waking you up at night.
Yeah, yeah, the it's awesome. Yeah.
So, no coffee for me. I've been having tea in the
morning like a cup or two of T, and that's been totally fine.
So, I like my tea time still. You feel different, not really.
I mean I didn't really have any, I didn't have any caffeine
withdrawals. I didn't have any caffeine
headaches and I had weaned down my caffeine intake quite a bit
prior to quitting the coffee. Not like intentionally.
But I had, you know, at one point I was taking like 3,000
milligrams of caffeine a day, which is just just unnecessary
amount. And I, typed rid of that down
to, like, one or two cups of coffee than I was at that intake
for probably about a year or so. And I just said, you know, I'm
just gonna switch and not have coffee at all.
I've not had any issues whatsoever, I don't really feel
different person other than I feel like because of the lack of
acidity coming in. I feel like my digestion is
little bit better. Well, that's good.
I mean I want to start and tell everybody I worked at a coffee
shop since I was 15 years old. Yeah, and I worked at different
ones throughout college and I love that job.
I basically a not had a free IV of caffeine in my system, so I
understand the addiction I loved it.
And I wish I would have taken the consequences more seriously
in my earlier days because you know, caffeine increases
androgens and when you have PCOS Just like I did, you know,
caffeine is going to keep those androgens high.
So, you know, I promised to take it more seriously, in the my
past. But, you know, it's been about
10 years. And I feel, I remember having
like one too many cups of coffee and feeling like a rubber band
about to snap. Like I just like how much calmer
I am but I still have that energy, you know, but just it's
different energy. Yeah.
No totally. I feel like it's not good to be,
you know, dependent upon any substance and I Like a lot of
people truly are addicted. To the point of total energy
dependency on coffee and I think that's certainly something you'd
want to avoid. Yep.
And I mean it also makes you less insulin sensitive which we
don't want to, you know, happen. So I don't know if there's a lot
of different than everybody's like why are your teeth are so
white? You know, I was like well I
don't drink you know, coffee or sodas or you know wind things I
would say my teeth. Yeah.
For sure. Are you?
We were just talking about how much we loathe certain aspects
of social media, but are you on Twitter that much at all?
Um I so Craig has to do my Twitter a couple of years ago
but I kind of jumped on there and it grew massively, but man,
it's just, it's a wild place to be on.
But yeah, I post on there quite a bit.
Now, I'm not very active on Twitter at all, but I jumped on
the other day and there's this big debate around the SPC that
or satiety per calorie. Have you seen that?
Yeah, with tighten even. Yeah.
Naaman and dr. Ian felt, I don't know if I
pronounce his name right there, but yeah.
Yeah, I know them both very dearly and its people are really
ripping their heads off and I understand what they're trying
to accomplish, but some people don't like it at all.
Can you? Because I feel like you're very
qualified person to talk about what it is.
They are trying to accomplish and then kind of Flesh that out
in Greater detail. I've had to name it on twice, I
believe in, I like to name a lot alike and I have pretty similar
recommendations when it comes to protein intake.
You know, for the individual based off of Grams per lean
mass. So there's a lot more in common
that he and I share than not. So I like to name a lot but I'd
be curious to get your take on what it is.
They're trying to do. And what some of this pushback
is being triggered by Well, I mean, I won't say who it is but
she's pretty upset about she was saying, even ha like dr.
Finney would be upset saying that the ketogenic diet is not a
low-fat diet. When in fact, you know, someone
just posted a screenshot of their book saying, yes you
actually do. You know if weight loss has a
goal you dial down the dietary fat and that's what they're
trying to accomplish. Is that?
So protein, According to some is basically, like, Three calories.
Because it's going to is the building blocks of so many
processes of her body, but it's not a good energy source, right?
So you need the either choose carbohydrates or fat.
I always lean towards the fat side because to me,
carbohydrates is just a form of sugar and it causes a lot of
Cravings, right? Right.
So with that said, when a when a food has more fat or
carbohydrates the you know, especially if it's a higher in
carbohydrates, it doesn't have protein or fat, it's going.
Be very low on the satiation scale.
If any satiation is there, right?
But then when you add in protein is very satiating and fat as
moderately satiating, that's how they're kind of like describing
this. And the reason protein is more
satiating than fat is because per calorie you get a lot more
protein versus fats and it's very satiating compared to the
energy that you get in a fat Cal.
So it's not that I'm saying that fat is bad or they're saying
that fat is bad. It's just saying per calorie.
You know and people like well I hate talking about calories,
calories in calories out, don't work, but it's like to see
calories. Be nothing is ignorance, right?
So we have to talk about a little bit and that's why
they're bringing that up because it's more than just calories.
Now, they're breaking it down into carbohydrates fat and
protein and within that, how satiating is it.
So that's kind of what they're Getting out.
I mean they're trying to reach the masses so they had like Diet
Coke on there and that's like you know, super satiating per
calorie because it's zero calories is like oh man, why
they have to go to the diet? Kroger out, right?
Yeah. But they reach the masses and
that way. So depending on how many
calories it has shows and protein fat carbohydrates.
It gives you a scale, it's a whole new website.
It's not the diet doctor website, which is what dr.
Ian Fell does. It's a totally new website.
Which I mean, I find Interesting.
Am I gonna be really pushing that?
Probably not, because I think I differ on a lot of ideas, Ted
usually leans toward he's very, you know, he's on a protein
side. But then he goes towards
carbohydrates, rather than fat, yeah, where I might energy
source with, like fat. So when I mean, I can run
marathons on, you know, a zero carb diet.
So, I mean, I thrive on like the fat for my energy rather than
the carbohydrate. Without a crash.
Yeah, totally it's interesting because I definitely applaud
what they're trying to do and I think there needs to be a
discussion around, you know, true satiety.
And for me, it, I mean, I've lost weight with high protein
low fat, I've lost weight with high fat, moderate protein, very
low carb. Like I've done it all different
kinds of ways and they're certainly more than one way to
skin a cat as the saying goes, and I feel like a lot of it is
nuanced. I mean, some people Are going to
respond better to one or another modality.
They're going to find one more Saints sustainable than the
other. And I think anytime people try
to generalize something for the masses that people that are not
in those masses are going to take incredible offense to it.
Yeah, no, I totally agree and I let's be honest like the diet
dad's going to work for you is the one you comply to.
So it's nice to have a lot of options because for some people
Just not going to want to eat the way I eat.
They're not going to want to eat the way you eat and what is
they're going to comply to and be successful with.
That's what we want to have that option for so but I do think
people need to realize, you know, like the sheath of your
bones are made up of protein. You know your hair and you're
like all of these processes are made up so like you know when
people say oh it's so high protein, well I would say it's
more moderate protein. What I approach is, I mean, One,
one gram per pound of lean. Mass is not a ton.
Yeah, you know, that's pretty, I don't know, how are you?
Yeah. One gram of protein per pound of
lean mass, or per pound of total mass, depending on what your
composition is. That's pretty much my sweet
spot. Right.
I think that's for everyone, and that's not just for like muscle
building or anything is for know, your bone health.
And you know, you look at these studies of people.
Reversing bone loss is like, where is that sweet?
What are they doing? That's what different, you know,
it's K2 and protein. What about like people with like
pitting edema. It's where they do a ketogenic
diet which is more Our protein based rather than fat.
So, I don't know, just a lot of information out there, but I
think when people hear the ketogenic diet they think, oh,
it's, you know, 20 grams of protein or, you know, some
really low wild number. Yeah.
And frustrating a little bit. It's a, it's funny because, you
know, for a while, everybody was villainizing protein for fear of
gluconeogenesis and they were just consuming, copious amounts
of fat but not a Protein. And now the the Halo has been
given to protein and it's almost as though fat is starting to
become villainize with an Aikido low-carb space which is also
interesting. It's like the pendulum has swung
too far on either extreme. Like the answer is somewhere in
the middle. Right.
And I don't I mean I've been doing this with clients for 20
years now on I there wasn't this huge debate for, you know it was
just there. Also wasn't all these junkie
products out there to like Duncan Hines, you know, keto
brownie mix or whatever but so I think that's where a lot of
confusion comes into play or, you know, exaggerated as ketones
but I do feel, I remember writing one of my first books
and someone that was very you know, who he was.
He was very predominant in this space.
He's like, oh no Maria too much, protein turns into sugar and I
was like, what I was like, second-guessing everything.
Like I put out there looking to that.
And yeah, I gluconeogenesis is exactly what enables the body to
be in ketosis. Yeah, you know, and Ivana zero
carb diet, so I don't fear it anymore.
Yeah, definitely. Don't think there needs to be
any fear associated with protein.
I do think there is a likely, an upper threshold to what one
would optimize with in regards to protein.
Like, if you like, if you weigh 150 pounds and you're consuming
between 100 and, you know, 40 and 100 70 grams of protein,
that doesn't necessarily mean that 300 grams of proteins going
to be better for you. Right.
No II agree. There's definitely.
But you know, I the most of it, I'm primarily work with women.
Usually maybe in menopause. So why not?
I'm struggling to get them to even get to that minimum amount
of. Yeah.
Protein totally. And I feel like the like total
intake often times does not. It's not as prominent as it
should be within the conversation.
Like people like to throw out percentages of total calories
coming. Fat or protein, but if you don't
have the context of what the total consumption is, all those
numbers become arbitrary. Like and I think honestly,
that's often times why people try and pit tent name.
It against me and you against me as they have in the past.
It's like they automatically assume that I'm high fat, low
protein. Whereas in reality, we're all
pretty much agreeing on the same protein intake.
I'm just also eating quite a bit of calories and Amanda quite a
lot of energy. So my dietary fat ratio as a
percentage of total calories I was quite High.
Right? And you're working with
athletes. Yeah, I'm not most of that.
I'm not. I mean, the most interesting
person I worked with this last few months.
She was going to be a Naked and Afraid or she is, uh, Naked and
Afraid right now. And she's like, Maria, I need to
gain a bunch of weight before I go on Dating Naked and Afraid.
So, I was like, well, the best thing to do is, you know, fat
plus carbohydrates. That's the greatest way to gain
some fat and, you know, she did it.
So she could survive - Reina one time.
But that was, that was fun. Yeah, that's I don't know if I
could ever do naked and afraid. I don't know if that'd be my
forte. Well, no, have you ever watched
a loan on the History Channel? I have seen an episode of alone.
I listen to a podcast with one of the guys that wanted on Joe
Rogan's podcast and that was super interesting.
Like the the concept of how they built that show is pretty pretty
insightful. It is insightful.
I watched it with my kids a couple of years back, we really
got into it and I remember this one, dude, he was a vegan for
the past 17 years, and when he got to his spot where he had to
live, he quickly gave up his vegan lifestyle.
Because he's like, I can't spend all day foraging for food.
I need to catch one fish a day, survive off of that and focus on
building a shelter getting water.
It was just interesting how when we think about Human survival.
A vegan diet is not sustainable. Yeah, I think when you are
subjected to the elements and all of the, the nice to haves in
your life are stripped from you, then you really gain a lot of
clarity as to, what is truly important, what is truly
sustainable? What is truly optimal.
Like, I think so much of this discourse, unhealthy discourse
and just debate and turmoil that we see right now within the
society politically nutritionally, you know, Little
policy-wise. It's all because people have so
much of their fingertips anywhere, they're just looking
for things to argue about. Oh, you meant that.
I mean, you know, Johnny Depp you bought an island and he
called, I won't swear, but he called it f off Island because
like, that's brilliant. Let's go.
I like that, I like that. I feel like we should definitely
touch on protein, sparing modified fast, I had Nick said
Craig one not too long ago. We talked about that and in
depth but for you and I to talk about it for anybody that has
any questions on that. And I said, I told you this when
we were having dinner at a in New York as well.
Well, but people, they try to make issues with within people
within different communities and I have never meant to offend you
online. I certainly hope that's never
anything. I've said I've never been
directed towards you ORS, seen as a pensive but when it comes
to protein, sparing modified fast, I'd love to just get your
take on it and dispel any rumors that may be circulating there.
I would love to talk about that and yeah, I know it was it was
great to be able to just talk to you one on one about the, you
know, the people in the issues and all that.
But so when I started my journey, this was 26 years ago.
My anniversaries in March, 26 years ago, I was diagnosed with
PCOS acid reflux, depression IBS and I didn't want to take those
for prescription drugs. I was given so I decided to
change my diet. There wasn't the internet back
then. But if you do your research and
what causes this infertility and a female, it's excess caffeine
sugar and carbohydrates and I was like, living off of cinnamon
rolls and coffee, right? So I had to change my diet, a
lot and right away my depression, I swear it lifted
overnight, my acid reflux, one away, my IBS went away, but my
weight loss was very difficult, and so what I would, Do I call
them my pure protein days? And I wish I would have stuck
with that term because it's not really a medical protein sparing
modified fast approach where you do this long-term.
I would do pure protein days where I lowered the fats.
I cut out all the dairy which I think is another the topic we
could talk about and I focused on leader proteins and I would
do that like two days a week. The rest of days were like
regular keto type match Rose. But I still was dairy free and
not free because those things would cause me to gain weight.
So these pure protein days, they just evolved, I made the that
protein bread that's made with the egg whites, it's pretty
wild. That was that recipes, you know,
17 years old, I would live off of that makes and witches with
it this and that and then when I, you know, was talking about
the pure protein days Craig's like yeah there's like something
called the proteins are modified fast, which is a A lot in a line
with what you were doing. You know, maybe we should just
call it that to be more mainstream people can, you know,
look into it more, but I don't recommend and there's some
people out there, some doctors out there that recommend doing
this for like months, on end day after day and I do believe there
will be a metabolic adaptation where you need a lower caloric
intake where I even do an overfeeding day with my pure
protein days. I don't do them anymore, but
when Work with clients to do them and just kind of mix up the
calories and this is in place of a water fast.
So you know a lot of people are pushing you know doing a water
fast every other day I'm saying. Okay instead of doing that, lets
do a pure protein day where it is very low in calories.
But you're getting enough protein to maintain muscle mass
because we know that you do lose lean muscle tissue with the
water fast and you get the Giants.
Because the nutrients are in the protein, we can argue that
that's where, you know, that those all are.
So it's basically, you know, you're getting your vitamins
minerals in, you're getting enough fat to absorb vitamins, a
d and K enough fat for your hormones, and but it's very low
in calories and it's basically all protein.
So it works really well. Like it's pretty, it's pretty
wild. How fast it works for people.
And that's the thing. Like I, you know, like we're
saying is not all about weight loss.
Someone's in this metabolic shitstorm where they have, you
know, insulin resistance and they're on every medication.
You can imagine the best way to reverse insulin resistance is to
shrink the fat cells and to gain or at least maintain your muscle
mass. You have more places for the
glucose to goal, and that's where focusing on, you know,
protein and cutting the calories down a few days a week.
Really, really help. Instead of doing a water fast.
Yeah, I definitely. Think the extended fasting has
there's definitely a use case where fasting makes a lot of
sense like I kind of intimate and fast by default daily
anyways. But like the extended fasting
like I said there's a place for that but I think it's gained so
much momentum that people are kind of using it to their
detriment in a lot of ways. So not overly fasting is going
to be key. I think for me like I just try
to construct a dietary protocol that is not overly restrictive.
For like what a lot of people do people are people are suckers
for wanting to get results very quickly at the expense of their
health and doing ways that are not sustainable.
And I feel like if you tell somebody hey do a pure protein
day, one day a week and then having overfeeding day they're
going to do a protein day one day a week.
They're going to see that drop in the scale from that lack of
intake. They're going to forget that you
said have a overfeeding day that you're going to do pure protein
days, you know, seven days a week and that's what people want
to do. I do see that and I'm like, no.
Has you know I really encourage people to not or they feel so
good and they love those like but the reason you feel so good
is maybe because you don't eat the dairy and the nuts and
things that aren't making. You feel that great on your off
days, or you see the apps that were they, the see the skill.
Go down. So then they're overfeeding
days, like a pizza. Had a do, like nobody said, new
pizza on your overfeeding day. I'm talking like have some ribs
or chicken wings, you know, some fatty meats and Yeah.
I mean people can construe things all the time and it's
hard because I do work with women and men with eating
disorders and they'll take it to the you know, 10th degree.
Yeah. I feel like it's just like
there's so much benefit to be had for spending time in a
caloric deficit just as there's benefit to be hand for spending
time in the caloric Surplus, it's kind of like the yin yang
situation like you can you can't really optimized for one unless
you have time spent in the other so to speak.
I do. Yes, I absolutely.
Absolutely agree with that and like even intermittent fasting,
it kind of happens naturally. And even my children here, it's
that it's still quite early, it's only 9:00 a.m., but my
children haven't eaten yet. They will probably eat maybe
around noon. But like I'm 12, I'm up at four
am working, I know you're an early bird to.
So I've eaten my first meal ready but like they and I then I
quit much earlier than them but even my kids I don't make them
fast but they're not. Hungry in the morning and that
freaks my mother Alba to do because you know, she's getting
a new to the space, she's not into, you know, keto at all
really. But she thinks they're, you
know, just dying observation or something like no, no, they're
just fine. If they don't want to eat
breakfast. It'll be okay.
Mom, if they're staying with Grandma.
Yeah, well, this, this notion that we need to always be like,
grazing throughout the day is such a misconstrued notion, the
first place like that. When did that ever happen in
nature? Nature for us as a species lover
and you see kids at the zoo, you know, and their strollers eaten
away on the Cheerios and things like that.
And it's just It's hard. I tried on to be a judge a
person but when I see a little kid that can't even talk eating
a french fry, I get you know really sad for them.
Yeah. I mean will the the amount of
adolescents that are like sub 10 years old, that have diabetes
already. It's like whatever trajectory we
headed on right now is clearly not the right one.
It's not, it's just getting worse.
I mean they're making like 10,000 new chemicals in food
every year. It's wild.
That's allowed in these foods. And that's what they're living
off of at school and there's snacks.
And that's just why I'm so I wrote the sugar-free kids book
with Halle Berry because I wanted people to just be open to
because, you know, I don't want to call it a keto kids cookbook.
I wanted it to be a sugar free. Because everybody agrees sugars,
not good for you, but it is a ketogenic cookbook for kids to.
But most people say I'm not, I don't even have children.
That's my favorite book. Yeah, because it was just
delicious fun food. And, you know, it's weird that I
mean, like, with food, actually, that's a good question for you
when it comes to, you know, like when they go to spin time that
when your kids go to spend time with other members of the family
that aren't really in the know, like, how do you, how do you do
that? Like, how do you like, this is a
selfish question because like when I Let them spend time with
my parents and how do you embrace the idea that they not
gonna have a clue what they're doing with Newton guards
nutrition? Well, now, my children.
No. I mean they're 12 and 13.
They know as much as like most adults know about nutrition or
like people that I work with like they're very knowledgeable.
What makes them feel good, what makes him feel bad, they
personally make the choice to not eat it.
And probably tell the people like you know what skills are
Doing your body like Bill talked about the food guy and this and
that where I'm like some people don't want to know that you know
you know like somebody's. So somebody on the beach was
eating an apple. You like they said, oh, you
know, that's just sugar. And I was like, oh, you know,
don't wanna, you know, be reprimanded all the time.
But anyway, when they were younger, it was hard and I would
just ask, you know, my parents like I would be make most of the
food and say, here you go. Like we never really left them.
Way. But when we did it was like
here's their dinner, will be back at this time, you know.
And it was just fine, but now it's fun to be able to trust
them and even if they did get bombarded with sugar, they'll
usually tell me and say I never want to do that again, but it's
a very rare occasion. Did you get a lot of pushback
from people in the community around the community?
That just assumed that in order for kids to have A, you know,
proper developmental phase in their life.
They have to consume some degree from hydrates, still all the
time, not that they need carbohydrates to girl maybe.
But oh, they're just kids. Let them just be kids but it's
like, yeah, we let them be kids. And then at 18, they have all
these metabolic disorders and they're addicted to sugar and we
expect them to just change. I'm really grateful.
I had to change my diet when I was 16 because my friends are in
their 40s and they're like, crap.
I These habits that are still hard to break and, you know,
like I don't even see that stuff as food anymore, where that's
their habit and I am grateful. My, I mean, you are in charge my
my son's first food was bone marrow and cash, what else like
they would eat salmon and bone marrow and egg yolks and bone
broth. They would drink bone broth like
it was going out of style, like, it wasn't traditional
whatsoever. / but and it took work to make, but it was totally
worth it because they have definitely a Savory palate
versus a sweet tooth. Yeah.
And you know they know what foods make them feel good.
If we aren't, we all know what foods make us feel good and what
make us feel bad, but being able to make that choice to choose,
the one that makes us feel good. That's empowering, you know,
totally, yeah. Rachel's first food was bone
marrow. As well.
I mean, he eats salmon full-fat yogurt, bone marrow, avocado one
occasion. You know, eggs.
That's pretty much his go-to meals right there.
That's awesome. And you know what?
They're little people. It's not that hard to make it
right? Yeah, for sure.
So speaking of dares talk about Dairy so you don't consume any
day, right? Um, me personally, I didn't when
I was in my weight-loss, like, cutting mode now that I am, you
know, maybe true, even trying to bulk up a little bit.
I do have some Dairy. It's my, I do like that fat like
I think we had the best burrata cheese.
Remember what that dinner? That's right.
That was very good. But when someone is like
struggling to lose weight, like I posted on Instagram, two days
ago, Oh, about Twila, Twila has lost 270 pounds, and she is
staying at her place in Maui at our other place.
And she came to visit and she's like Maria, I'm, you know, she
was frustrated because she was up a little bit.
She's like, cuz I know it was Dairy and I just got to cut it
back out again. And I said, do you feel any
other symptoms like your gut hurts or, you know, acid reflux,
your skin breaks out she goes. Nope, but the scale will go up
whenever I have And I find that not just with what I love with a
lot of people. There's some guy on Twitter's
like, dick, I'm you Maria, you know, that I cut the dairy out
and I'm downtown palms and it's just interesting.
Dairy is a more common allergen than gluten is.
But we poopoo gluten in this Kido space but we don't address
Dairy at all. Yeah, what is interesting that
of all the species? All the mammalian species were
the only ones that don't wean off Dairy.
Man it's a big addiction like I'm from Wisconsin.
I love cheese and it was like the hardest thing to cut out.
But do you think it's mostly like if you're equating for
calories and people are still seeing an increase in weight?
Is that just an inflammatory driver there?
Oh yeah. Because it's not even if they're
eating the same caloric amount and they'll still go up like
even eating like things like you Cottage cheese.
Like that's a higher protein, too fat.
They'll definitely put on the weight and it has nothing to do
with calories. It's nothing to do with
overeating it but it is everything about some
inflammation is happening. That your body's just saying.
No, this is not for me and it's hard because I mean I love I
love making recipes with a cuz it makes everything more
delicious. But a lot of times it's just
when you're trying if you're really stuck at a weight or
something like that you just got to cut it out for a little bit.
And what will the proxy are you using to see?
Like, if people are inflamed like, is it just a matter of
like, does your gut tolerated? Well, do you have?
Because I don't think I have any Sensitivity.
I never been tested for day but I consume you know, heavy cream
and whatnots cheese. I don't notice any issues with
it whatsoever, so I'm assuming I don't have any sensitivities but
I've never tested for it, right. I mean, I usually 99% of people
come with me because they want to lose fat.
And in that case, we just automatically go, dairy, free,
not free. And that's why most of my books
and, you know, my meal plans are dairy free and not free because
it sounds really hard, but it's not it's not hard at all and it
can be delicious too. So that's where we go and then
they can add it in after a month to see what happens to their
response because sometimes we just don't know how good we can
feel until we get stuff out of our diet.
Yeah. Totally so even if they're not
having a physical like reaction, they might see the the scale
went up. And again it wasn't a caloric
thing. It was because they added butter
or and so will you know starting with like goat cheese or
something like that is usually more well-tolerated.
What's interesting is I know a lot of people that will go to
Europe or like I have friends that live in Europe and then
they'll come the United States blow up like mad with the
American Dairy but the year European Dairy, they have no
problem with her like the yogurt or something in Europe.
They have no response to but here it's different.
Hmm. Yeah, I've heard that as well.
Same thing with like, the people are consuming Breads and whatnot
in America versus that of, you know, you're paying, you know,
areas that they don't have near the issues with it.
It seems Don't have much as much gluten in their flowers as we do
and that's why the recipes are usually different do it.
I am a big fan of Julia Child. And I know that was the big
issue when she was writing, her cookbooks because her other
recipe DeRuyter was in Paris. France, and flour was totally
different. Huh.
Interesting. I haven't used too much flour
that lately so I don't know that.
Yeah, I know I don't get your butt but yeah.
The the dairy aspect is interesting for sure.
So what is your diet looking like currently?
Cause you're not doing any, you know, pure protein days.
You're doing more of a trying to focus on building more lean
tissue. So what is, what is a typical
day? If you didn't look like for you
now, Um, so after I, you know, do my weight, I still run a
little bit, but I do my weights to I'll have, I like a
tenderloin. I'm not a big fan of like a rib
eye. I love tenderloin filet mignon.
So I have a tenderloin for breakfast and I usually make my
like truffle steak sauce with it.
I just have that in the fridge time.
So it's pretty quick and simple and takes what?
Four minutes to cook up a steak real quick and So, I'll have
that for breakfast and then for lunch, I mean I'm living on the
beach. So I have fish for lunch and I
love mahi-mahi and I make this coconut ginger sauce with it.
So I'll have like a big piece of that maybe a few double legs
with it. And then I just did the video on
how to make my carnivore deviled eggs or really good.
So check. And then for dinner.
I'm like a creature of habit. Like my breakfast and lunch are
pretty much the same because I like it and I can kind of focus
on work and not think too much about other things and then
dinner will change depending on, you know what, we're having
sometimes. It's like tacos with my protein
sparing. Again it's I'm not eating
protein spring but I make these like protein wraps, the really
easy to make and they're always in the freezer.
So we'll do like tacos or I don't know, like, burgers.
We have like Burger night, and then we could either just have
them plain, or will put it in my, the protein bread, where you
whip the egg whites, and then I always end my day, like, after
dinner I'll have, like, an have you tried the equip shakes?
They're made with beef? Yeah, I've tried them.
You pretty good? I really, I really like them.
I like the strawberry. So I like having a little
dessert every day and so it's a beef.
Protein little shake. So, I'll have that for dessert,
but that's kind of like my day usually typically and it's still
in that, you know, like 18:6 type of window.
But yeah, do you know what, the macros wind up averaging out on
that typically? I personally don't, it might be
like a one-to-one ratio. But I don't, I haven't really
checked it and you're getting stronger building muscle.
So everything's working there, right?
It is working there. I mean, I'm focused on County
everybody else's macros so I mean he gets a little
overwhelming but yeah, I know that's how I met.
So, my day usually runs nice. So you posted about sauna used
to do this, on a pretty regular But it's not the saunas.
Honestly are hard for me because I don't like to be hot.
I like to be cold. So, cold therapy.
I have a bathtub just for ice and I love doing that and it's
much easier than sitting in a sauna, but I do believe that
there's benefits of doing both together.
But yeah, saunas, definitely. I know, most people are the
opposite. They like to be hot.
I do not. Well, I'm a fan of the cold
therapy for sure. We just bought a Stock tank from
like Tractor Supply going been, you know, it's been cold enough
for the, we haven't had to put ice in.
It's just been cold naturally and will wake up jumping at
think first thing in the morning and there's like, a whole bunch
of supposed benefits to it. I'm sure some of them are true.
I'm sure some of them are just fancy marketing but all that to
say, I like waking up and just doing something, you know,
physically, tough first thing in the morning.
It kind of sets the tone for the day.
Yeah. I mean even my son jumped in
there and he's like Mom I just feel like so much happier and I
was like, it is supposed to increase dopamine.
Yeah, you know, here's the thing like I don't have one of those.
We're in Hawaii right now and I don't have a bathtub here but
there's a cryotherapy place that I've gone to where you just go
in the cold air. It's really, I don't know how
cold it is gets really cold but it's only for three minutes and
I'm like this, this is not doing anything they say that it's like
burning. 10,000 calories. And then, like a whole list of
things, I'm like, that's just the whole honky, you know?
But when you actually submerge your body, like, I'll I'll sit
in there for 15 minutes and I'll shiver for like an hour and
that's what you want. Like, no matter what you're
doing for cold therapy, you want it to be uncomfortable like
that. If it's easy for you because you
will, you know, just like you have metabolic adaptation you
know, with a cold therapy gets easier for you.
Then it's not, you're not getting all the benefits.
Yeah, totally. Are you doing that?
Shoot, correct? Great with tell me about on his
paws cat. On the podcast that he was on a
few weeks ago but he's doing that hyperbaric.
Oxygen chamber to do you ever do that?
Um, I actually went down to Mexico to do some stem cells and
they have a oxygen chamber there and I did that one.
But I don't use his chamber. I don't know why you can't.
It's hard because you can't have anything in there with you.
So like he wakes up, he'll set his alarm before he actually
wakes up and so he'll just go from you know, basically bad
into there and sleep the last hour and a half in the chamber.
Yeah. That makes sense.
I mean, you can't bring a phone in there.
You can't bring an iPad. You can't work in there, like
sort of like twiddling my thumb's.
Like I just can't but no so honestly, no I haven't I should.
Yeah, that would be a serious act in meditation.
Be able to be totally at peace, for your thoughts, for an hour
and a half. I my meditations more of a
movement meditation. Even big travel plans coming up.
He would show me the pictures from Africa which looks
absolutely amazing but give me think my plane.
Yeah, so this these two different travel agencies
reached out to me a couple years ago before well before covid.
Maybe 10 years ago. Hey Maria.
Do you wanna like be the guest host on these trips?
I'm like, oh, he Craig, this lady asked me to be like, Like
the guest host in Italy and I've never traveled, like, I grew up
without any money. Like we I never traveled
anywhere even have like a passport.
He's like City say yes, collar like see what happens.
And so ever since then like every year we have a trip to
Italy. It's like a keto trip.
But again like there's no judging.
I'm not a judgy person that way but it's nice.
Because when people have to eat keto for either type 1 diabetics
or their, you know, whatever illness are dealing with like
we. I need like we made the best
Italian food but just differently, you know, like
chicken parm but with my recipe like they would make that for us
and so we have a trip to Italy and Juno but I'm doing a trip to
Bali in April Italy and June Croatia and September and then
South Africa in November Craig's.
Going to be on that November trip.
But if anybody wants to come on the trips, this message me and
I'll hook you up and that's all through like the keto.
No Community, like it's all catering towards the keto
Community. Yeah, it is.
I mean again you have plenty of opportunity to walk around Rome
and you could eat whatever you wanted and people have done
that. And I don't, I don't care.
Some people were very famous game on my last trip, you know
who he is, but you know, he was eating pizza and gelato and
doing all that type of stuff. And, you know, you do what you
want to do. But if you Want a safe place to
eat. Good.
Delicious food, you know and it's keto we also have that
opportunity so I just I'm trying to say like there's no judging
and you do those every year If every year I mean obviously
covid kind of stopped it for a little while, but the last, we
went to Greece last September and it's so cool because like
you never know what you're gonna get, but we made, we always make
like the best of friends and we all still stay in contact and
for of the people traveled and came and stayed in Hawaii with
me. And so that was, that was really
fun. That's awesome.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to definitely look into that
because that's like I need to I love traveling and I travel
quite a bit for like, all that. Different conferences and
whatnot but traveling more Brawn to different countries
especially now that we have a son like I want to expose him to
different things especially as he gets older.
So I think that'd be an awesome opportunity to do so it isn't
you know get them to travel and see the world and be open to, I
don't know different, different people and Lifestyles 100% Maria
apart from the traveling, everything else in the pipeline
either books coming up. Um, no no books at the moment,
we're focused a lot on the The keto coaching certification, we
also added a protein sparing, modified fast, certification to
that, and next semester is April first sign up for that.
So if you're interested and you know, maybe changing a life a
bit and helping other people's transform their life that I
think we are blessed to have the coolest job in the world.
Don't you think? I totally agree.
I think there's nothing. I mean for me that is nothing
more fulfilling than getting like the emails and you get them
to like all all the time. Like you get these emails about
how something gets to spend more time.
With the grandkids or something like that.
It's like you just got to take those to Heart.
It is. And it's like the coolest thing
to get recognized for. I mean, not saying I'm famous by
all means, but I was on Christmas Day.
The boys were playing with their toys and I was riding bike at
the end of the island where like nobody's there.
There's no houses. It's very desolate.
But there's a place to snorkel and I'm riding bike.
I have a hat on and my sunglasses and I'll send a
minivan, they stopped and they're like Maria, the whole
family jumps out to take Pictures and is like that is so
cool. They even had like a little
snack of one of my recipes in the cars like that is pretty
wild. Yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, you're impacting people's lives and think that I
think that's the main thing. Like so many people within the
keto space right now, low carb Corner more space that there's
so much division around whose ways the right way.
But I think like, if you just look at it as a whole like
holistically, we're all on the same team were all trying to get
away from all the processed foods and processed sugars,
while trying to get people healthier and for on, trying to
do that and we do Need to be more unified and people people
have what I've said, is resonate with some people with, you, says
resonate, with some people, like, we're all changing lives
for the better. So let's rally behind that
message. That's a win-win.
Like let's, let's go after the process food issue, and it's a
total win-win 100% 100%. Well Maria, I'm sure everybody
listen to this is familiar with you but frame, but it's not.
Where do they go to? Find out more about you and to
dive deeper into your world? Well, the easiest places just to
go to Quito Maria.com. And from there, you can find the
YouTube channels at the Private Facebook groups for support free
support at the bottom, whatever you need is that keto.
Maria.com the trips are there to awesome, awesome.
Well, I will definitely link that to those.
Make it easy for people to find you.
And hopefully, I'll see you at a conference here before too long.
Craig was saying that y'all don't have any conferences
coming up here soon, but I mean, if you just go to Bali or South
Africa or something, well, should and I know I'll see you
in Vegas. I'm pretty sure you're in Vegas
with me. I am supposed to be speaking at
that one. However, it also.
So conflicts with one of the competition's that I'm going to
be doing so I don't know what's going to happen there.
Like all my competitions gets because I'm competing this
years. I've got like three to five
competitions gonna be doing and a lot of times, their dates
shift but I kind of have to be at the mercy of those.
If you are in Vegas, let's go have dinner.
Okay, 100% sound me. Uncle Maria Pleasures.
Always looking forward to chatting with you again, seeing
you soon and there's ever anything I can do for you.
By all means. Let me know.
They're so sweet. Give a big hug to your wife.
Okay, I'll do it. Take care.
Bye.