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I was still sick going into my 
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until about 16 weeks. 
That was the beginning of my SI 

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and sciatic pain. 
But that's just like a dull achy

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pain. 
But the sciatic pain is like 

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literally someone just like 
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We've been kind of like, OK, 
what are we going to do with the

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second birth? 
What's our plan? 

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What's the safest route? 
What's the best way to take? 

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ACOG is like what a lot of 
people look towards and they are

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not a fan of home births. 
Do you look at the state of 

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Arkansas amount of like deaths 
or major issues from a home 

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birth Feedback is actually 0% 
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is a little higher two. 
Boys running around? 

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Yep, Rigel's super excited. 
He's always like feeling your 

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belly. 
I'm I'm a little anxious about 

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the jealousy and making sure 
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both so we're. 
Technically in the third 

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trimester, but we are recording 
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Correct. 
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over before we could record 
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Yes. 
So what happened in the second 

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trimester, what was significant,
by the way? 

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Yeah, we have a baby coming, in 
case anybody didn't know. 

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We have already recorded a first
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in the second trimester podcast.
We're just doing up update video

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podcast thing just like we did 
with Rigel. 

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Yeah. 
What? 

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So what what was new and 
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versus first trimester, first 
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of compare second trimester with
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OK, if you remember, so I was 
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trimester, which was not fun. 
I was sick until about 16 weeks 

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and then I visited family and in
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So Rigel. 
And January, right? 

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think I had like sat that long 
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beginning of my SI and sciatic 
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Yeah, you get like these random 
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then all sudden should be going 
like and I'm like, what's the 

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matter babe? 
Take you to hospital. 

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Like Oh no, it's just my SI of 
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Well that ones not as bad. 
That's just like a dull achy 

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pain. 
But the sciatic pain is like 

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literally someone just like 
pinching my nerve. 

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Yeah, it doesn't seem pleasant 
though. 

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It is not pleasant. 
And it's been going on the whole

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second trimester basically and 
still to this day sure is so not

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fun. 
Not fun. 

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What's your you want to go into 
details about like weight 

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changes because you were not up 
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the first trimester? 
Like a total of 4 lbs or 5 lbs 

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or. 
Something So up until 20 weeks I

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had only gained 10 lbs. 
And then, now or second 

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trimester, but in a second 
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in total? 
23 lbs. 23 lbs And what is 

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typical? 
Everyone's a little bit 

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different, but average for like 
an average person going into 

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pregnancy is if you like, if you
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ish pounds, 30 to 40 lbs they 
say about a pound a week. 

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They say with your first baby 
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with your, you know, second, 
third, whatever, you might gain 

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a little less. 
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I'm like pretty spot on. 
Like 23 lbs is a little bit less

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than I was with Rigel, but I've 
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weeks and we're like around the 
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And so you. 
Got a belly right now for sure. 

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You got a bump that is visible. 
Yes for sure. 

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People keep asking me. 
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the last probably 3 weeks if I'm
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Like they keep asking me that at
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be due really soon. 
And I'm like, Nope, got. 

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I mean 3 is relative right? 
Like 3 is 3 months is not a long

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time. 
Yes, it is. 

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It is in pregnancy, Yes. 
Do you remember what I look 

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like? 
I look like I just had a huge 

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basketball in here. 
Like it was just like all belly.

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So like I'm. 
I still have room to grow. 

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Yeah. 
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ready to. 
Pop the baby bump, be bumping. 

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Yep. 
But you've been lifting. 

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You're doing like a a split with
Ellen, which is pretty cool. 

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So I've been leaving the office 
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You come here and you lift with 
Ellen. 

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So you're getting a steady, 
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Thursday session in with her and
you're still going heavy on 

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everything. 
I mean, you got 135 for seven on

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bench the other day. 
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I don't think I've been going 
much heavier than 135 squats and

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deadlifts. 
I even with Rigel his pregnancy,

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I didn't ever go super heavy 
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I think I tried to stay around 
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OK, if I could stay with like my
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still lift that I think I'm 
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But again, my hips and like just
my pelvis in general, the 

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muscles around to get super 
tight, which is why I'm having a

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lot of SI pain. 
But I also it also feels really 

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loose at the same time because 
you, you're you literally your 

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tendons, ligaments, all that are
literally loosening in your body

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to allow for the baby to come 
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But my muscles are really tight.
So I feel tight and loose all at

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the same time. 
And it is the weirdest thing to 

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have to explain. 
So I don't go super heavy on 

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this that barbell squats and the
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Anything that you would have to 
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basically, right? 
The core is not so bad, but it's

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more of like the hips, like it's
more of like going all the way 

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down on squats. 
It's kind of like the more going

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all the way down on deadlifts. 
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of, I think even Rigel's 
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rack pulls so I wasn't going all
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And that's, that's personalized 
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That's just how I feel and what 
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Like I'm not going to risk an 
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or, you know, just any 
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going to risk that because I'm 
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So I, I try to be a little bit 
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We're doing more accessory 
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I'm still doing squats, still 
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I love bench benches like still 
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So like it just has to touch 
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not have to go down as far or do
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like maybe lower range of 
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feet on the bench and this time 
I've actually been able to keep 

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my feet on the ground, which is 
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don't have any problems like 
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so. 
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what's changed there? 
Has anything changed there? 

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I don't. 
Really think so. 

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You got ACGM in the other day. 
Yeah, we had. 

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Well, I guess what we should 
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we recorded our first trimester 
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alluded to all the headaches 
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whole ordeal. 
So we should just dive into that

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That yeah, let's talk about that
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So CGM we opted for because 
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you can do an oral glucose 
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carbohydrates in years. 
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you're not not metabolically 
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a bullish dose of that glucose 
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get the CGM and it's been 
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for the past two weeks. 
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it's really gone is like one O 4
like that was like my average 

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highest. 
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even like after food. 
That would be more like I'm 

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trying to get diesel fed me, fed
Rigel fed snacks, packed 

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everything ready to get out the 
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Yes, it was. 
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it just for us to leave for the 
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And so I kind of have to like 
when I'm now that I'm, I realize

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that it actually has a effect on
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I'm like, wow, I should do 
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Like how do I prepare myself 
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that I don't have to stress out 
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What does your blood sugar do 
when I call, like when you see 

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my name pop? 
Up 15150 blood pressure blood 

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sugar, everything goes up No, 
I'm just kidding. 

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So you'll, you'll pass that 
you're not going to need to take

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the glucose tolerance test. 
You're not going to be facing 

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gestational diabetes. 
So we're good to go there. 

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Yep. 
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and yeah, she was totally cool 
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And yeah, all is well. 
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So this is what I want to make 
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So to provide some context, we 

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had a whole series of podcasts 
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We were planning on doing a home
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Totally natural, no external 
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Had a midwife for doing the 
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It's not Hippie I. 
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Hippies are natural. 
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this is where it's going to go. 
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our 41 weeks and six days in the
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So we had to go in. 
Technically you can, we found 

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that out after the fact which 
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So we went to the hospital, took
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You weren't dilating and then 
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and. 
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They didn't for sure. 
They, I mean, I dilated to you 

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like a five. 
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And she was checking me and when
she checked me so my 4 waters 

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broke like my water broke and 
then on its own as I was 

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dilating but then she checked me
and then it like all came 

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gushing out at that point. 
Yeah, so she kind of broke the 

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water. 
Yes. 

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But Rigel, What was his official
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Face presentation posterior. 
And face presentation anterior 

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you could you can have a vaginal
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They don't prefer it, but you 
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But face presentation posterior 
which? 

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What does that mean exactly? 
I I kept, I keep giving them 

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backwards. 
So face presentation in itself 

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is their face is coming out 
first. 

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So like his chin and the top of 
his head, like all of that was 

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facing. 
The outside. 

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Yeah, like if someone was 
looking in there, they would 

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just see his actual face, not 
the top of his head and then 

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posterior. 
And I'm probably going to 

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butcher this 'cause I can't 
remember cause during labour 

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your baby actually like rotates.
So I believe that it means he 

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was facing my posterior. 
So he was facing my but like my 

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back. 
But with his posterior 

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placement, the likelihood or 
risk of him having spinal 

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which is why they don't even 
recommend it. 

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Yeah, it's so much harder to get
them out because the space 

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between your chin and the top of
your head is a lot bigger than 

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the crown of your head. 
Like this doesn't have any give 

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because then you just run into 
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that and the top of your head 
has give in which you know, like

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there can be like that coning on
some babies when they're born 

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because it had like your head 
has a little bit of give when 

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you're a baby. 
So there is none of that. 

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And then as you try to push the 
baby out, it could potentially 

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push their head backwards. 
So they're you're just doing 

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damage to like they're, it's 
like they, they are flexible and

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moldable, but they're also like 
could potentially push them out 

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to where their neck is kind of 
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into the emergency C-section, 
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all, not natural. 
You didn't do any. 

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I guess you did a Spinal Tap, 
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other drugs really. 
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So as soon as I went in, they 
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spinal and things like that. 
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surgery and then they give you 
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And so I had those three things.
I don't know, they're probably 

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like other things that they do 
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but those are like the three 
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So I had that and then after the
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anything else. 
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pitocin to help with like the 
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that. 
But as far as like pain 

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medication, I did not even take 
ibuprofen. 

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I was just like, do not give me 
anything because I really wanted

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to be able to connect with Rigel
the best. 

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I didn't want anything to get 
through my milk. 

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I just wanted to like kind of 
forget that I even had a surgery

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and just like, keep going, you 
know? 

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And that was traumatic in and of
stuff like, I was in the 

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operating room. 
There was no curtain. 

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I was there watching them cut 
you open, having a hard time 

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stop the bleeding, trying to 
make sure they didn't cut the 

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cord too soon. 
With Rigel, yeah, totally chaos.

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But we have a healthy baby boy. 
Rigel's amazing. 

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He's total chaos and I love him 
to pieces. 

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He represents his birth, yes. 
So in light of that, we've been 

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kind of like, OK, what are we 
going to do with the second 

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birth? 
What's our plan? 

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What's the safest route? 
What's the best way to take? 

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And we, we've had lots of 
different options. 

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We were you. 
You can talk about it more than 

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me, but like a vaginal birth 
after cesarean known as AV back 

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is somewhat a point of 
contention and controversy. 

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They definitely don't recommend 
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when you're looking at 
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western medicine doctors. 
Yeah, so like ACOG is like what 

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a lot of people look towards and
they are not a fan of home 

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births. 
So they're obviously not going 

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to be like, yeah, home birth is 
totally safe for AV back. 

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So actually if you look at the 
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like deaths or major issues from
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0% compared to the hospital, 
which is a little higher. 

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But and that even includes 
transfer. 

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So if someone does rupture, 
that's, that's the whole that's 

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the deal, big deal with AV back 
is anyone at any point in any 

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pregnancy can rupture. 
That is just a separation of 

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your uterine wall. 
When you have a scar in there, 

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you are a little bit higher 
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It's very, very little chance. 
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that scar can thin and then thin
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rupture. 
There's things like windows 

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where you could like see through
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ruptured or opened. 
There's a descents which is just

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like a smaller tear than there's
like a full on rupture. 

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So anyways. 
But like, you've haven't 

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listened to birth podcast a lot 
lately and like the they'll 

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typically it's frustrating 
because you go to the doctor, 

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let's say you had a cesarean and
you want to go the natural route

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for the second child and you ask
your doctor and they're 

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typically going to automatically
throw out risk of rupture. 

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But as you just said, like 
there's different degrees of an,

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you know, severity with that 
rupture. 

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And if you have just a minor 
rupture, that's not necessarily 

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indicative of a a bad thing that
your body would not be able to 

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heal from naturally versus like 
a severe rupture, which would 

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obviously not be a good thing, 
but the risk of rupture is 

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there. 
The risk of rupture having 

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increased as a result of having 
a prior cesarean section is 

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pretty minuscule in the grand 
scheme of things. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And they don't talk about that. 

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They just automatically throw 
out oh, you're at risk of 

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rupture. 
Higher risk of rupture. 

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Yeah, it it kind of depends on 
the provider. 

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There are some providers who say
they're it's more like they're 

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fearful or they don't want to 
support AV back where they will 

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encourage you more to have AC 
section. 

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They should give you 2 options 
and say hey, you can have 

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another seat, repeat C-section 
or you can have AV back. 

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These are your the risks of both
because there are risks to both 

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and then you make that educated 
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But a lot of times people are 
just routed to a repeat 

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C-section. 
Hey, it's easier. 

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Or like you can schedule it. 
Your family can be here Da, da, 

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da, da, da. 
Like all that stuff is just made

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out to be like an easier 
process. 

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But because of that, the rate of
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Like it's pretty ridiculous. 

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And I think. 
What's more is when you have AC 

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section, the you're going to 
have another scar, obviously. 

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So the increased likelihood of 
rupture after having another 

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cesarean section increases. 
So like, they don't ever talk 

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about that either. 
They basically just say, hey, 

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look, Cesarean's easy, we'll get
it scheduled book, we'll come in

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and get you, you know, dilated, 
pop your water, all that good 

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stuff, put you on the drugs, and
then you'll be out like nothing 

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happened. 
But they don't ever talk about 

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the downside of that. 
Yeah, at least in my experience.

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The sad thing too is just in me 
sharing about my C-section and 

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me wanting AV back and things 
like that. 

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There's been so many women that 
have reached out and said like I

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wish I would have been told I 
could have AV back but they 

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weren't even suggested the 
option, which is actually. 

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So here's the kind of layout. 
A vaginal birth after cesarean 

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is the safest option. 
The next safest option is a 

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cesarean. 
The least safest option is a 

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trial of Labor, which is you go 
in for AV back and it fails 

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because of a uterine rupture or 
something like that. 

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And then you have to end up 
being in AC section. 

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So you have the safest option, 
which could lead to the worst 

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option or you could have like 
this middle ground where it's 

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like it's not the safest, it's 
not maybe the best. 

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And, and I've had AC section. 
I'm, I'm not judging anyone who 

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has how does C-section wants 
more What like that is the total

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personal choice. 
This is just what Robert and I 

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want for ourselves and what I 
would love to see in the medical

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space is just people talking 
about your options, giving you 

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options of what's safe versus 
what are the risks. 

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You weigh them out as an 
individual and let us know. 

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So anyways. 
Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of

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just, it's all wild. 
It's just a. 

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So in light of all of this, we 
wanted to go with AV back for 

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the second child and finding a 
provider that was on board with 

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that has been challenging to say
the least. 

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It's not like so instead of 
Arkansas, there's not really 

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many registered certified 
midwives that want to do a be 

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back in a home setting. 
They cannot. 

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They cannot. 
Only one person, or only there's

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only one office in the state of 
Arkansas that can legally do it.

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Right, there's under the table 
midwives, but then you know that

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that can get a little shady. 
Then there's the that one office

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and they're basically registered
nurse practitioners there that 

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are specializing with this in 
the home setting. 

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And then what we decided to do 
was find a midwife that was a 

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registered nurse that was 
totally down to do what we 

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wanted to do in a hospital 
setting, but letting us do our 

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natural birth. 
And we found that and we've been

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seeing her throughout this 
process. 

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But then with that scenario, and
again, correct me if I'm wrong, 

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but there's hers, our midwife, 
and then there's two doctors on 

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staff at that hospital that are 
there in case of emergency. 

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And they are required by the 
hospital to be there if AV BAC 

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birth is taking place along with
an anesthesiologist. 

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And Geppetzky have those people 
on the floor on hand. 

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So we've been going through that
process for the past few months.

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And then, lo and behold, the 
hospital collectively decided 

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that they no longer wanna be 
accepting of VV bags and. 

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Just scheduling. 
Issues. 

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It's the doctors, it's not so 
much the hospital. 

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So like the whole hospital unit 
is widespread and they're not 

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all saying that, but this 
specific hospital in this 

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specific area, these doctors are
the ones that decided because of

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scheduling issues. 
Yeah, because there was only the

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two doctors and I guess the one 
anesthesiologist, and they were 

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dealing with scheduling errors. 
So like the requirement of 

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having to have them on site if 
AV VAC was taking place resulted

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in, I think there was one 
instance where somebody was in 

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labor for four days or something
crazy. 

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So put them in a in a corner in 
that regard. 

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So they just want to say, OK, 
we're not really doing V backs 

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anymore. 
And we heard that through the 

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Grapevine from our midwife and 
then she's been in contact with 

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the doulas. 
So like for a while that we were

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back at the drawing board been 
like, OK, so the hospital we've 

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been going to been paying money 
to been, you know, seeing on a 

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weekly bi weekly basis is now no
longer doing what we want to do.

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So now we have to go back to the
drawing board to figure out if 

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we want to be OK with having a 
birth at home under the table, 

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if we want to go to that one 
office in the whole state. 

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So it's been a bit of a mess for
sure. 

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Like nothing, nothing with any 
of our birth plans from day one 

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have been kind of streamlined, 
as one would hope. 

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But we actually met with one of 
those doctors, shared with them 

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our exact scenario, what we're 
expecting, and he was honestly 

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pretty cool with. 
He came in knowing my chart like

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he came in, he was like there's 
no reason why you can't have 

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this. 
And he said I can't make you go 

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home, I can't make you have AC 
section. 

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And I still think it's a little 
messed up. 

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But he was very supportive of me
and the reason why I would be 

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having AV back. 
I never got to the pushing 

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stage. 
So essentially they're trying to

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kind of weed out weed out some 
of the people. 

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That one is great. 
A candidate? 

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Yes. 
So they have their own kind of 

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list of what they think is more 
what was the what was the word? 

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Good candidates and bad. 
Candidates. 

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Yeah. 
What makes the better candidate?

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So I feel like I, I don't like 
that, but they do have their, 

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their own, I guess, list of 
candidates that they think would

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be best. 
And so they were, he was very 

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supportive of me and saying 
like, I see no reason why you 

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can't do this. 
I think you're an excellent 

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candidate. 
You're going to do what you're 

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going to do like it. 
That's, that's it. 

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So he was able to explain to us 
in greater detail and they had 

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had a whole meeting like the day
before I went in to see him. 

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So he had just had like this 
fresh bit of information and was

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able to say like, Hey, I this is
what we're, This is why we're 

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doing this. 
This is what happened. 

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These are the people that we're 
still trying to support, 

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etcetera, etcetera. 
And he's like, essentially the 

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best thing for you to for it to 
happen is you show up in labor 

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about ready to push. 
And I'm like, that's the perfect

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idea for me too. 
So that's kind of what they're 

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leaning towards. 
Their clinic is not connected to

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the hospital. 
If they had a clinic that was 

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connected to the hospital, then 
that would consider them in the 

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building of the hospital and 
they would they would be able to

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do more feedback. 
So he said, we're trying to 

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figure it out where we could 
maybe have part of the clinic in

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the hospital or whatever. 
So that this is not an issue 

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because the the issue is, is if 
someone has an emergency, which 

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there are so many non V back 
related emergencies that they 

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don't make a a doctor be in the 
hospital, then it's only for the

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V backs. 
So it's just a, it's just such 

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an interesting situation in the 
interesting hospital policy. 

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But All in all, we really liked 
that doctor and we felt 

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supported by him. 
There's one other doctor I would

451
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,640
like to see. 
When do we meet with them? 

452
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,400
I don't know, I think in 
probably like 2 weeks. 

453
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,880
We are for sure meeting them 
though, right? 

454
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,160
Yeah, I'm, I haven't made the 
appointment, but I'm going to 

455
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,400
make that and just make sure 
that everyone's on the same page

456
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,880
because we won't really see 
these doctors unless something's

457
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,080
going wrong. 
Yeah, like they may get to the 

458
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,720
hospital and be like, hey, I'm 
doctor so and so, you know, I'm 

459
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,200
the one that's going to be here 
on. 

460
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,680
If we had to have AC section 
they would be the doctors doing 

461
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,080
it. 
Right. 

462
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,600
But they're, but my nurses and 
stuff are still going to be 

463
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,520
contacting my midwife for the 
communication aspect of things. 

464
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:37,680
So yeah, it was like a big thing
because we weren't sure exactly 

465
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,840
why they were saying no more. 
If they were going to just deny 

466
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,880
me, if they were just going to, 
I was going to get to the 

467
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,680
hospital and just have to fight 
the whole time. 

468
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,680
But being able to have that 
conversation put my mind so much

469
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,720
at ease knowing that I can go in
the hospital and no one is like,

470
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,000
you can't do that. 
Like they're all kind of like, 

471
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,840
you know what, you're going to 
do your thing and we're here in 

472
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,120
case something happens, you 
know? 

473
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,720
So that felt really good. 
Yeah. 

474
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,920
Which is why we chose that 
facility anyways. 

475
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Right. 
So as it sits currently, our 

476
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:12,840
plan is to have a natural birth 
without any external factors in 

477
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:19,120
the hospital with the midwife 
naturally without any anything 

478
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,640
coming in from the outside. 
And then if we do have to have 

479
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,400
any unforeseen, you know, C 
sections or something like that,

480
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,280
then those would be the doctors 
that do it who will have met 

481
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,040
both of them at that point. 
But we should be pretty well 

482
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,120
free and clear and be able to go
about it as planned. 

483
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:41,640
We'll have a doula as well. 
And what else are we doing with 

484
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,440
this planned birth? 
Doula, midwife, natural birth in

485
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,640
a hospital? 
Yep, be back. 

486
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,880
Yes. 
Boom. 

487
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,640
That's the plan. 
That's the plan. 

488
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,200
And did we say what his name was
going to be? 

489
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,080
I don't know, I can't remember 
'cause we did a first trimester 

490
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,720
and then I feel like we did 
another podcast like. 

491
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,240
We did a gender reveal video, 
not on the podcast, but we did a

492
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,640
gender reveal. 
OK so in case y'all don't even 

493
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,760
know it's a boy that we're 
having. 

494
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,080
We're having another boy. 
We. 

495
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,640
Have another boy, Hazen, Wilder,
Sykes. 

496
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,400
Yep, Hazen is German for gift of
God. 

497
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Wilder means Wild and Untamed 
and Sykes. 

498
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,280
We all know what that means. 
Yeah. 

499
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,080
So yeah, it'll be good. 
I'm excited about it. 

500
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Two boys running around. 
Ryder is going to be 3 pretty 

501
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,560
much in May, and then we'll have
the baby shorter thereafter. 

502
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,080
So pretty much three years in 
between the two, we're going to 

503
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,760
have 1/3. 
We don't know. 

504
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,880
What are you leaning towards 
We're. 

505
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,280
Not talking about it, we're not 
talking about. 

506
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,240
We're just waiting till Hazens 
born. 

507
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,400
We're gonna just feel it out, 
see if our family feels complete

508
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,840
or if we would like to have 
more. 

509
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,760
We've got diesel too. 
Yeah, yeah, Diesel. 

510
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200
I'm so outnumbered, you guys. 
Yeah, you're so outnumbered. 

511
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,000
Hey, you know what they say, 
Boys rule, girls drool, you 

512
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520
know? 
But yeah, it's going to be good.

513
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Rigel super excited. 
He's always like feeling your 

514
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,160
belly because you could 
definitely feel Hazen kicking 

515
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,200
now. 
Yeah, yeah. 

516
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,240
Which is cool. 
And he's always like, even on 

517
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,960
the way here, he was like me and
me. 

518
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,080
And he calls him Hazen baby, Me 
and Hazen baby. 

519
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,880
We're going to go see the guys 
at the building who I'm like, 

520
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,000
yeah, when he gets here. 
Like he just talks about this 

521
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,120
morning in in bed. 
He was like me and Haze and baby

522
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,400
are going to share a bed and I'm
like, well, maybe not for a 

523
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,720
while, but he's. 
Got all of his toys allocated 

524
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
for Haze and baby. 
Like he can play with my old 

525
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,000
toys. 
I've got my new toys but I'll 

526
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280
still share my new toys. 
He's pretty cute. 

527
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,760
Yeah, and he's pretty cute. 
I just, I hope that that 

528
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,440
continues after he's born 
because that I'm, I'm a little 

529
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,520
anxious about the jealousy and 
making sure that my time is 

530
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,320
allotted for both. 
And he's such a mama's boy that 

531
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,400
like, he loves to snuggle me and
I just feel like having another 

532
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,560
little person on me all the time
nursing and just needing their 

533
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640
mom. 
Well, hopefully. 

534
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120
This will be kind of like a 
natural segue for him to kind of

535
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,000
want to spend more time with me.
Not, I mean, he he definitely 

536
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720
likes spending time with me now,
but he's not as like cuddly with

537
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,160
me. 
Yeah. 

538
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,040
You are like fun. 
Let's go in the yard, let's do 

539
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,680
some work. 
Let's work with tools. 

540
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Let's, you know, get dirty. 
And with me, it's like I want to

541
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,520
snuggle. 
I want to snuggle, Mama. 

542
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,160
I want to, you know, like it's 
all that snuggly, like I want to

543
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,880
be on top of you kind of things 
where I'm going to have a baby 

544
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240
on top of me a lot. 
So I really need to figure out 

545
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,040
how I'm going to navigate that. 
But I'm going to just like let 

546
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,600
it happen because I'm not going 
to try to overthink it. 

547
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200
It'll be good, though. 
This will be when Rigel wants to

548
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,800
start. 
Like going fishing with me. 

549
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,200
We'll just go fishing. 
Yeah, there you go. 

550
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,920
And this will be the first time,
like when we have him, will be 

551
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,920
the first time we've ever left 
Rigel overnight. 

552
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,520
And it's breaking my heart. 
Like I'm, I'm super anxious 

553
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,880
about it. 
I'm like, I, I'm trying to let 

554
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,360
go of it because I don't want to
carry that into the birth and 

555
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,920
like have like this tenseness of
leaving Rigel and leaving him 

556
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,560
overnight or whatever. 
I'm hoping that it just happens 

557
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,760
in the middle of the night, like
or like early night. 

558
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,200
And so like he's already asleep 
and I can just go and have the 

559
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,240
baby and then be released there 
shortly thereafter. 

560
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,120
But I'm a little, I'm a little a
little anxious about it. 

561
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,240
I'm a little sad that I have to 
leave him. 

562
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440
And yeah. 
It'll be good. 

563
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,800
He's a trooper. 
He'll be all right. 

564
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Well, awesome, babe. 
We'll do another podcast. 

565
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Third trimester, I guess. 
What we do one before he's born.

566
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,520
So with Rigel, what we did is we
waited till after he was born, 

567
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,120
'cause they're, he's just, 
they're so quiet. 

568
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,520
They just like nurse and 
whatever. 

569
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,600
So we could just wait till after
he's born and when my sister or 

570
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,320
my dad's in town or something 
like that, someone can watch him

571
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,440
and. 
So the next time we do a 

572
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,760
podcast, we might do one before 
then just kind of you and me 

573
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,600
doing like an up update on like 
homesteading stuff, business 

574
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
stuff, just all the other stuff 
we got going on. 

575
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,680
But the next time we do a birth 
specific podcast, we'll have a 

576
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,160
little hazing baby in your arms,
so. 

577
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
That's crazy. 
This has been the fastest 

578
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,040
pregnancy ever. 
Yeah, it's it's kind of trippy. 

579
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,880
I got done working out this 
morning and I was like thinking 

580
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,480
of timelines and I'm like, man, 
we're going to record our second

581
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,200
trimester podcast today. 
She's in her third trimester. 

582
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,000
I'm going to have a baby in 2 
1/2 months or so roughly and I 

583
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,400
haven't mentally made that shift
yet so I got to prepare myself. 

584
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,080
Yeah, it's a lot. 
It's going to be a lot. 

585
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,720
And Robert has so much stuff 
going on, like this summer, 

586
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,200
fall, I'm like, what? 
Yeah, I'm thinking of like 

587
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,680
hosting a retreat 2 weeks before
you're due. 

588
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Yeah, you guys. 
Yeah. 

589
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,960
So it's the same month I'm due. 
He's like, I think I'm going to 

590
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,320
have like, I don't know, 15 or 
so people in town to. 

591
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,240
I'm like, you better just hope I
don't go into labor, Sir. 

592
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Yeah, but I don't think I will 
have him early. 

593
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,880
That's just my gut feeling. 
But if I do, all those people 

594
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,640
are going to be left. 
Or we could just bring them all 

595
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,040
to the hospital. 
Perfect. 

596
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,560
We can all be in the birth room 
as the baby's being born and 

597
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,000
that'd be just part of the 
retreat, you know, like new life

598
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,680
coming in. 
That's a. 

599
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Terrible idea. 
You're not down. 

600
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,360
No, no. 
All right. 

601
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Well, babe, we're kind of are 
you doing? 

602
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,760
You're doing most of the live 
Savage contents, kind of. 

603
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Kind of. 
Kind of. 

604
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,520
It's. 
We're going to get on a schedule

605
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,160
with that, but that's going to 
be like the primary 

606
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,800
homesteading, birth parenting, 
parenting platform. 

607
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,840
So that'll be where all that 
content gets published and your 

608
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,120
Lady Savage is up and running 
too. 

609
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,760
So where else the people going 
to find out more about you? 

610
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,960
It's. 
Pretty much it. 

611
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Pretty much it. 
All right. 

612
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,480
Well, I love you. 
I text you this morning and I 

613
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,000
say, what did I say? 
Oh, you get to spotlight this, 

614
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,400
huh? 
I'm trying to get. 

615
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,360
My Robert Robert like doesn't 
ever send me texts like this, 

616
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,040
but he sent me. 
I don't ever send texts like 

617
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,679
this. 
This is why I was. 

618
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,600
He sent me a text this morning 
so the whole world gets to know 

619
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,679
Roberts. 
Nice. 

620
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,480
The for for one time I think 
you're an amazing mother and I 

621
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,960
couldn't ask for a better part 
life. 

622
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,520
Partner, I meant to send that on
April Fools, but it was. 

623
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Just OK. 
Now in all seriousness, in all 

624
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,800
seriousness though, you are 
truly the best mother I can hope

625
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
to have for my kids. 
So thanks. 

626
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,760
You're rocking. 
Him. 

627
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,679
I guess you're all right. 
Appreciate it. 

628
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,199
Well, I love you babe. 
I'm excited to do this another 

629
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,360
time with a baby. 
Crazy. 

630
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,360
I cannot believe that. 
Yeah, pretty well. 

631
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,320
Yeah, it's gonna be good. 
We're just hoping. 

632
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,800
Praying for a wishful. 
Not a wishful, but a safe, 

633
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,639
successful birth and pregnancy. 
No complications this time. 

634
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,560
So what's gonna happen? 
All right, until next time, 

635
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,199
babe. 
I love you. 

636
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:56,760
Love you too.