1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,700 Well, hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes Kido Savage.com. 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,300 And today, I've got special guest, Stephen hercy back on the 3 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:06,900 podcast. This is the fourth time. 4 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:08,700 I've had him on the show, every single time. 5 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:09,500 I talk to him. I'm like, man. 6 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:12,500 This could be like a three-hour episode because he is just 7 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:16,700 incredibly knowledgeable about all things heart, health diet. 8 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:19,600 He's type 1 diabetics. He brings a very unique approach 9 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,900 to nutrition. That just adds a whole nother 10 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,100 level of context there. And I just, I really appreciate 11 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,000 who he is, what he's doing, what information is putting on the 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,400 road. He's got a new book, Coming out 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,400 on April 7th, and I'm going to be 100% flipping of that thing, 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,700 cover to cover and learn as much as I can. 15 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:41,400 Because his knowledge of, you know, the heart and heart 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,600 health. Like I said is just 17 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:45,400 unparalleled. So very, very smart guy. 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,100 I have no doubt. They will take something from 19 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:49,500 this conversation. So that further Ado, sit back, 20 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,600 relax. Enjoy the podcast with Steven 21 00:00:51,600 --> 00:01:02,600 hussy. We are live. 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,900 Steven has a how are you men doing? 23 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:06,100 Well, how are you? I'm good. 24 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:08,700 I'm good. So I was, I was perusing back in 25 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:11,500 our prior podcast episodes and you've been on the show three 26 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:14,200 other times besides this was just kind of crazy. 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,000 The first one. I think we mostly do Vin to your 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,800 four pillars of evolution Evolution. 29 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,700 I think we talked quite a bit about that and then the last two 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,100 we touched on I think fourth phase water and how blood It's 31 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:33,700 to the the body independent of the pump, you know, the heart as 32 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:35,300 you said, it's not really referred to as a pump. 33 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:39,100 We drove into that. And then I think, in the last 34 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:41,300 episode, that was about a month after your heart attacks. 35 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:44,300 We talked about that. That's more or less. 36 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,400 I think where I didn't listen to all them, that's kind of what 37 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,200 we, what we covered in those episodes, but you've got a new 38 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,500 book coming out, you've done a lot since that last conversation 39 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:56,100 that we had in February of 2021. So just kind of bring us up to 40 00:01:56,107 --> 00:01:58,100 speed man, it for you, but it hasn't listened to any of those 41 00:01:58,100 --> 00:01:59,600 episodes which I encourage everybody to do. 42 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,500 Can you? It's like a quick little intro 43 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:04,100 or bio into you. Yeah, for sure. 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,699 So, yeah, I'm Steven has see I'm a chiropractor and functional 45 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:11,700 medicine practitioner. You know, my health Journey was 46 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:16,100 kind of inspired or my work is inspired by my health Journey 47 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:19,100 because at a very young age, I was diagnosed with a lot of 48 00:02:19,108 --> 00:02:22,500 different chronic conditions, you know, everything from from 49 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:27,200 chronic hives to allergies to irritable bowel syndrome and 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,200 eventually ended up with autoimmune type 1, diabetes. 51 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:33,800 Which heavily predisposes me to heart disease and so throughout 52 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,300 all of my schooling and training and then in my own independent 53 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:39,100 research. I've been really interested in 54 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:43,400 heart disease. And so so I kind of dug into 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,200 that a lot. I've got quite a lot of 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,800 information and I decided to put it all down in this book and 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,300 became especially relevant to me when I had a heart attack, a 58 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:55,400 little over a year ago, at the age of 34 and she's really 59 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,400 trying to dive in and see why this happened to me and what I 60 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,500 found was pretty shocked. Because you know, first I was 61 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,800 like, I have this information is like, why couldn't I prevent 62 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,200 this? But then my experience in the 63 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,400 hospital and the care that I was given. 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,500 I mean, it was it was amazing what they're able to do to save 65 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:15,600 my life when that happened. But after the fact based on 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,500 everything, I knew I realized that their approach to Healing 67 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:21,000 my heart and preventing it from happening again. 68 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,300 Was was very pharmaceutical based and when you look at the 69 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:26,400 research, it's not very good based on that. 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,500 And so I wrote out that story in this book as Is like this big 71 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,900 introduction to why I'm so interested in heart disease and 72 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:36,900 all the kind of fascinating things that I found. 73 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,600 I summarized in this book and realized that, you know, based 74 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,400 on the care. I received in the hospital, this 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,700 it's information that I have. You know, first. 76 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:47,000 I was doubting myself, my God, can't, I can't release this book 77 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,400 or whatever, but then I realized that it's even more important. 78 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,400 When you release this information because in my 79 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,500 opinion, Western medicine is pretty lost. 80 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:56,300 When it comes to Healing the heart and and preventing these 81 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:57,600 types of things. Yeah. 82 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,200 I remember when you sent me. I guess it was like the 83 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,300 preliminary text to the book and you cause you had written a lot 84 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,100 of the book before the heart attack happened and the heart 85 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,500 attack happened. And you were kind of going 86 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:13,100 through this period of, you know, should I write this? 87 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:14,800 Should I put this out there? I mean, I feel kind of 88 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,000 hypocritical, etc. Etc. 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,100 So you wrote this really eloquent, you know, Memoir kind 90 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,300 of showcasing and illustrating all that and I feel like, you 91 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:25,000 know, going in hindsight now, the fact that you've had that 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,800 heart attack, it just puts your perspective on such another tear 93 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:30,900 that makes everything. You're saying that much more 94 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:32,600 relevant. Yeah, definitely. 95 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,300 And and you know, like I was faced with this decision, like 96 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:37,700 do I, you know, I just had a heart attack, which was, you 97 00:04:37,707 --> 00:04:39,500 know, a big deal. Like it was a major heart attack 98 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:42,200 to and like, only twelve percent of people who have that type of 99 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,200 heart attack outside of the hospital survive. 100 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:48,500 And so, so I was, you know, very lucky to for those for the 101 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:52,300 people that did save my life, but, you know, going forward, I 102 00:04:52,308 --> 00:04:54,500 was faced with this decision. Like do I follow the 103 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:56,400 recommendations? Which were basically take a 104 00:04:56,407 --> 00:04:59,800 bunch of medications and and eat a eat a processed food. 105 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,200 It. Or do I? 106 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,700 Take? What all I've learned and 107 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:07,300 Implement those strategies and, and try and heal my heart in the 108 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:11,300 way that I've learned is best. And, and I'm happy to say that, 109 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,400 you know, that my, because this, I would have been able to talk 110 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,000 about this at the last time. I we had an interview because it 111 00:05:17,008 --> 00:05:19,400 hadn't happened yet. But but yeah, I'm happy to say 112 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,500 that, my three-month echocardiogram. 113 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:25,200 My heart function is normal. It's back to normal. 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,700 Within like the ejection fraction of my heart is normal 115 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,800 and the Damage that was incurred into The middle of the septum of 116 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,700 my heart with a heart attack was was barely even present anymore. 117 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:39,400 Like it, it completely recovered and I did that only taking one 118 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,900 medication which was the blood thinner. 119 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:42,200 Now that I had a stint in an artery. 120 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,600 It was a good idea to be taking a blood thinner for a while 121 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,000 because we don't know how my body was going to react to that 122 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,800 stent. But other than that, I didn't 123 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,300 take any of the other medications and I implemented my 124 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:54,400 own health or my heart healing strategies. 125 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,300 And and the doctor was pretty amazed that in three months, my 126 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:03,400 heart was was he And functioning normally do you I mean was it 127 00:06:03,407 --> 00:06:06,000 like a specific Catalyst that you could kind of pinpoint and 128 00:06:06,008 --> 00:06:09,100 say this was likely the main contributing factor to causing 129 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:11,900 the heart attack or was there just a summation of multiple 130 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:13,400 different things? Yeah. 131 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,900 It was it was a summation of things. 132 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:18,600 I mean, type 1 diabetes heavily predisposes me and you know, I 133 00:06:18,608 --> 00:06:22,500 can't say that I took care of myself in high school when I was 134 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,500 younger very well. I mean, I had very high when 135 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:28,000 sees, I didn't really understand the long-term repercussions in 136 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,200 that at that time, so that probably In help, but also, I 137 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,300 was I was under a lot of stress at the time and I got like, you 138 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:39,300 know, it was it was the year of covid and elections and all that 139 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:40,900 stuff. So all that stuff was getting at 140 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,500 me which are things. I usually wouldn't pay attention 141 00:06:42,508 --> 00:06:45,600 to but since covid had this health related aspect to it. 142 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,900 I was I was kind of into it because health is kind of my 143 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:53,300 thing, but also I got some very stressful personal news. 144 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:56,100 The very beginning like two and a half days or one and a half 145 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:57,700 days before the heart attack happened. 146 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,400 Probably the most stressful days in my life. 147 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,600 And and so I think that there's no coincidence there. 148 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,500 But also I've been reading a little bit about a little bit 149 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:11,700 about exercise induced heart attacks. 150 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,800 And I and people who are already in an inflamed state. 151 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,200 So potentially I was with type 1 diabetes and all the stress. 152 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,800 I was undergoing at that time. I also you know the morning I 153 00:07:23,808 --> 00:07:26,200 had the heart attack. I did a very intense workout, 154 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,000 which was my usual routine, like my kind of, like, hit training, 155 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,300 you know. Just going to complete 156 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:34,800 exhaustion in the exercises I was doing and I had a pretty 157 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,600 intense workout took a shower after that and then had a heart 158 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,100 attack and there are there is some evidence out there that in 159 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:42,600 an inflamed State. Like if someone's in an 160 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,400 unhealthy inflamed State and then they do that type of work 161 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,700 out that it can induce a clock because, you know, my CAC score 162 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:54,200 six months prior, which is the kind of amount of calcified 163 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,400 plaque in the arteries of the heart was Zero. 164 00:07:56,500 --> 00:08:00,100 There was no calcified plaque in the artery of the heart, and And 165 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:04,700 the Interventional cardiologist that did my did my NGO and 166 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:05,900 place. The stent said that there was 167 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:08,600 pretty much no athletes grossest, in my coronary 168 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,900 arteries. It was just this giant cloth 169 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:12,900 that formed in the left anterior descending artery. 170 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:17,300 So if I was to suspect things, it was all that that stress and 171 00:08:17,308 --> 00:08:20,600 build up the type 1 diabetes, that put me in this inflamed 172 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,400 State and then I did that work out. 173 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,100 And I induce this this clot and, which was super unfortunate, but 174 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:29,700 that's, that's the best that I can. 175 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,600 I can think of in the best that I could find looking into that. 176 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,200 I mean, you know, in the hospital they were all just 177 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,299 like, oh, your your cholesterol cause this or whatever and but 178 00:08:39,299 --> 00:08:42,200 I, when I kept asking questions, they would just kind of dismiss 179 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,500 it and and wouldn't really open up the conversation to it. 180 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:48,800 But that's what I think. My best guess is what is what 181 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,900 happened? Were you just like was your skin 182 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:54,400 just boiling blood boiling skin crawling when you're in the 183 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,200 hospital and you're seeing what their standard of care is, and 184 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,500 what, you know, I mean knowing what, you know about the heart 185 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:03,500 and Your personal situation like were you on board with some of 186 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:05,300 the things they were doing? Are you totally opposed to most 187 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:09,200 of it? You know, I wouldn't say I was 188 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,000 totally opposed to, I mean, it's totally opposed to a lot of it 189 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,600 but not all of it. Like, I wanted their opinion, 190 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,200 you know, because I was just, I was just in this acute situation 191 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,400 and and I realized that one of the strengths of Western 192 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,400 medicine, is it an acute situation that can keep you 193 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,900 alive? And so I wanted to know what 194 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:30,100 they wanted to do after, you know, after they saved my Life. 195 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:33,100 And and but every time I would try and open up a discussion 196 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:36,100 with them about, well, what about the side effects of that? 197 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:37,900 Or is that the best thing for me? 198 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:40,200 They would just shut down the conversation and it's say, 199 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:41,900 either say I don't want to talk about it. 200 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:43,500 They'd say this is our recommendation and we're 201 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:46,100 sticking with it or they say, I don't know anything about that. 202 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:48,400 So I'm not going to talk about it because which is 203 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,200 understandable, because if they give me advice on something, 204 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,600 they don't know anything about it, you know, they're they're in 205 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,500 a hospital setting, they're all worried about lawsuits, you 206 00:09:55,508 --> 00:09:58,600 know, right. And so I kind of respected some 207 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,000 of their answers, but it was still Discouraging to feel like 208 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:06,000 nobody wanted to listen, whether it was their own personal 209 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,900 reasoning, whether they want to listen, they just didn't care or 210 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:10,500 it was like other things preventing them from listening 211 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:12,400 because they were scared of lawsuits and that's how they've 212 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,900 been trained. But it was just a shutdown of 213 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:16,800 conversation. That was the most worrisome 214 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,200 thing to me wasn't necessary, cuz II know, Western medicine, 215 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,400 strengths and weaknesses, you know, I knew what to kind of 216 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,300 expect, you know, being in there, but it was just 217 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:28,500 frustrating that there was nobody really interested in what 218 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:32,400 I had to say. And and it was it was Mike are 219 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,200 you know, it wasn't like I was just some cookie cutter, heart 220 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,300 attack patient, you know, like they prescribed me a medication 221 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:41,100 that long term has been shown to cause insulin resistance of 222 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:44,100 square of type. 1 diabetics has diabetic is probably worse than 223 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:48,000 for a type to, you know, and so I was just like, why was that 224 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 prescribed rather than this other medication that did the 225 00:10:50,008 --> 00:10:52,200 exact same thing that hasn't been shown to do that. 226 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,600 You know, like it was very clear. 227 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,700 They were treating my disease and not me as a whole person, 228 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:01,100 you know, and That was that was Troublesome. 229 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,500 But you know, that's where that's where I had to, you know, 230 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:06,600 rely on my knowledge to kind of say, okay. 231 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,000 I'm not going to do this. I am going to do this, but then 232 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,200 I realized that, you know, I'm a bit unique and then I've done 233 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,400 all this research for the heart disease and everything. 234 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,300 And so I know this stuff but there's people out there who are 235 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:19,300 going to be in the same situation. 236 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:21,400 I was in and they don't know this. 237 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,200 So I realized that, you know, yeah, I guess I really needed to 238 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,400 put the information out there because it may, it may be 239 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,300 life-saving for some other. People put them on a path that 240 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:33,900 will make it so that they don't end up back in that situation. 241 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,500 Because if I had followed some of the recommendations, I feel 242 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:39,000 like I'd be right back in and they were telling me to eat 243 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,700 completely processed food diet. And that was the best thing to 244 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:44,300 prevent heart. Failure, another heart attack 245 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:46,600 and I just knew that was absolutely, not true. 246 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,600 I mean, there was things like soy and fig newtons and and 247 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Sherbert. And just all these processed 248 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,700 foods that I was allowed to eat on this diet and it was just it 249 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,600 was pretty disappointing. Yeah, I know. 250 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,100 Understand that, I mean, my wife Crystal and she was at the 251 00:12:02,108 --> 00:12:05,700 hospital, you know, before, like when she drank it, all of her GI 252 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:08,500 stuff, figured out. They were recommending for 253 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:10,000 whatever reason. They just, like default to 254 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,900 really easily absorbed and digested foods, which always are 255 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,200 heavily processed high in carbohydrate sugary foods, but 256 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,200 it's like, why, why in the world of all the things out there is 257 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,400 that your primary recommendation is kind of what they tend to 258 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,200 default to. It seems Yeah, it's pretty 259 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,400 crazy. Like I was you know, they're 260 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,800 bringing me food while I was in the hospital. 261 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,300 I was there for three days but usually after a heart attack 262 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:35,100 like that, they keep people for a week, but I was I was doing a 263 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:38,300 lot better and I just asked to leave because I couldn't wait to 264 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:41,500 start eating real food again and start my own heart healing 265 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:43,200 routine. But yeah, they were bringing me 266 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,200 food and I'm trying to, like, avoid the most processed food. 267 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,800 So I'm just picking it things, but then it wasn't really 268 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,200 enough, you know, the things that were on my plate that I did 269 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,900 want to eat it. I would just end up being really 270 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:57,000 hungry. Sometimes I was just like, oh, 271 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,700 I'm just going to fast because it's probably better for my 272 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:04,300 healing anyways, and so so yeah, it was, it was a bit of a 273 00:13:04,308 --> 00:13:06,900 struggle and it was during covid. 274 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:09,000 So no one was allowed to visit me. 275 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,200 I was alone the entire time as far as, you know, family or 276 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,700 friends being able to come in. So, one of my, one of my friends 277 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:19,800 did bring some stuff to the hospital and they brought it up 278 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,400 to me, but I wasn't allowed to see anybody. 279 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,000 So nobody could bring me food or or anything that I wanted. 280 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,500 And that was the other thing too is that I'm Type 1 diabetic and 281 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:33,000 and I have a very regimented way of controlling my blood sugar's 282 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:33,400 at my age. One. 283 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Caesar, very good for a type 1 diabetic. 284 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:39,700 And despite, you know, seeing them, my agency was very good. 285 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,500 They insisted that they would that they should treat my type 1 286 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,600 diabetes, the way they wanted it to be done rather than what I 287 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,100 do. And they wouldn't let me control 288 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:50,900 demonstration of my insulin and things like that. 289 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:52,500 And so, my blood sugar's were very high. 290 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:54,400 And I kept saying, look, this is not working. 291 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,600 Let me do it. I know what to do and they kept 292 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,900 saying no, so when my friend brought me that that stuff and 293 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:03,000 they brought it up to me, there was insulin and then I started 294 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,500 managing myself and just said, no. 295 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:07,900 I'm not going to take yours. It's maddening. 296 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,600 It's crazy. And some of the nurses were even 297 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,500 like they were even like, I don't know why, they don't let 298 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:17,200 you type ones, just control things because it was under the 299 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:20,900 control of like the pharmacist in the end. 300 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:24,200 The doctor the attending, there is the, but some of the nurses 301 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,700 was just Like yeah, this happens all the time. 302 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:27,700 I don't know why, they don't let type ones, just control it 303 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:30,400 themselves, but it's because the hospital is liable. 304 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,700 Like, if I start administering my own drugs like that, they're 305 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:36,300 giving me then and if something goes wrong, then they're liable. 306 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:38,600 And that's just how it is. When in reality. 307 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,500 I was feeling terrible because my blood sugar was over 300 and 308 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:45,300 then at times because I just couldn't control it in the way 309 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:48,200 that they were trying to and so, and they wouldn't let me do it. 310 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,400 So but eventually like on the second day, I got that stuff and 311 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,300 I was able to get it down, control the way I wanted to, but 312 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:57,700 it Is maddening to me, you know, yeah, that's got to be 313 00:14:57,700 --> 00:14:59,600 frustrating for sure. I mean, I totally get the 314 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,800 liability standpoint, you know, I mean, it makes sense what they 315 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,400 do and why they do it, but I wish there was an easy way to 316 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,200 bypass that like have you just simply sign a disclaimer or 317 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,500 waiver and then, you know let you do your own thing and if 318 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,100 they just Monitor and if it's obviously working then what 319 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:14,400 could they possibly have against it? 320 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:16,800 Yeah. Well, it's just crazy that that 321 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,900 in a place like a hospital where you think. 322 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:23,400 The number one goal is to get the patient's better bear. 323 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,000 Whatever means necessary. Terry. 324 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:28,200 There's all these there's all these things in place that are 325 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,400 protecting hospital and the doctors rather than what's best 326 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,900 for the patient. And that's just, I guess the 327 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:37,500 legal world we live in, but it's just interesting to see that 328 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,300 that that play out, you know. Yeah, it is crazy, man. 329 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:45,100 So ideally people will not have the perfect storm of cascading 330 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,600 negative events that lead to a heart attack like yours. 331 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,000 I've had several people on the podcast talk of ways, like 332 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,300 people can proactively monitor the health of their hearts and 333 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:57,600 their Arteries to hedge against that and some people are huge 334 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,600 advocates for the CAC scan. Some people are huge advocates 335 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,100 for look at the lipid markers and some people had dr. 336 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:07,300 Gundry on not too long ago and he was talking about a specific 337 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,800 lipid profile that measures inflammation. 338 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,000 I'm not sure what it was called again. 339 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:15,600 But is there anything that you personally recommend is like 340 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,200 just the best and most ensuring way to kind of get ahead of it 341 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,400 and proactively monitor things to make sure that you're not 342 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,700 likely going to have a heart attack. 343 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:27,800 Yeah, and so there's an interesting studies that I talk 344 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,900 about in my book that show. Well, they looked at, you know, 345 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:34,800 the traditional risk factors that people measure for heart 346 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,400 disease. So this is like an LDL or a 347 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:42,900 cholesterol panel or lipid panel or inflammatory markers, or high 348 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:46,100 blood pressure or various things like that, you know, and they 349 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:50,900 looked at those and they assess all the research that, that 350 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:54,300 looked at their those markers ability to predict whether Going 351 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:57,100 to have heart disease or a heart event or something like that. 352 00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,900 And they found that they were very inadequate at predicting. 353 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:04,099 Those things in this paper. So that was pretty interesting 354 00:17:04,099 --> 00:17:08,900 because I have my own set of things that I would want to look 355 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:12,900 at and it does include some of those, some of those risk 356 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,400 factors that are the more traditional type ones, you know, 357 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:18,000 but I look at them in the context of other things. 358 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,200 So if I take a lipid panel and look at that, I'd rather rather 359 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,000 than looking at levels. As of LDL, which I don't think 360 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,600 are very relevant when it comes to whether or not someone's 361 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:29,400 going to have heart disease or not. 362 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,300 Because I just I just posted a study into the other day on my 363 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:37,400 Instagram that showed that LDL level has no indication, whether 364 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:40,000 whether someone's going to develop atherosclerosis in the 365 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,100 arteries because they looked at a group of people and regardless 366 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:45,600 of LDL levels. Some of them had like it had low 367 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,100 LDL levels. Some of them still had 368 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:50,400 atherosclerosis and other ones, didn't, you know, so it didn't 369 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,400 really matter. So there's that. 370 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,700 But so when I Get a lipid panel. I look more like markers that 371 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:59,800 are going to tell me more about the person's metabolic health 372 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,300 because the person's metabolic health is going to indicate 373 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,800 whether or not their insulin resistant or not. 374 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,800 And so that's a big deal because there's always going to be 375 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,500 damaged a lot even artery. It's just normal wear and tear 376 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:15,500 of the body, you know, but whether or not someone gets 377 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:18,700 atherosclerosis when the the land the lining of the artery 378 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:22,900 gets damaged depends on that lining ability to repair itself, 379 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,200 and they Build it to repair itself, depends on insulin 380 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,600 signaling. And so if someone becomes 381 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,100 insulin-resistant, their metabolically unhealthy than 382 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:34,800 they, the the lining of the artery can't repair itself as 383 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,500 well. And we end up with the body of 384 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:38,900 doing something else which is depositing, cholesterol and 385 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:40,900 minerals that are trying to patch up this damage. 386 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:45,100 So it doesn't result in like a rupture of an artery or 387 00:18:45,108 --> 00:18:47,000 something like that and that's atherosclerosis. 388 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,800 That's what that's the hardening of the arteries that we're 389 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,500 getting. And so looking for someone's 390 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:53,500 metabolic health and whether or not their insulin sensitive or 391 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:55,500 insulin, Sent it when more important. 392 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:58,500 So for that on a lipid panel, it's the trigged HDL ratio. 393 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:00,800 That's way more important and there's plenty of research 394 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,400 suggests that that's way more indicative of whether or not 395 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,400 someone's going to develop atherosclerosis or have a heart 396 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,200 event or something like that. But and then people talk about 397 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,500 all the different, all the different tests. 398 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:17,100 You can do, like looking at the particle size of the LDL and 399 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:21,100 looking at the small dense LDL or the lipoprotein, a or 400 00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:25,900 oxidized LDL all these different Subfractions, I guess of these 401 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:30,200 lipids and those are all interesting but all those things 402 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,200 like it's not like the small dense LDL or causing after this 403 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,500 grossest. It's the things that cause small 404 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:38,600 dense LDL that also causes atherosclerosis and those are 405 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,500 things that damage tissues in the body. 406 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:43,900 So it's damaging LDL and creating small dense ldls are 407 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:47,100 oxidized ldls, but it's also damaging the lining of the 408 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:49,800 artery. So it's not that we want to like 409 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,900 the treatment should not be focused on reducing cholesterol. 410 00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:57,100 Because they're small dense LDL, should be focused on reducing 411 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,500 the things that damage the cholesterol, which to me is 412 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,600 things that cause oxidative stress. 413 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:05,900 So oxidative stress is just when there's lots of free radicals in 414 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:08,300 the body that are that are causing damage to different 415 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:10,400 tissues in the body, including the lining of the artery. 416 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,300 And so we want to reduce those things. 417 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:16,000 And so for me, the first numbers you want to look at our 418 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,900 metabolic Health, but if you're if you have poor metabolic 419 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:21,200 Health that can lead oxidative stress, but then there's also 420 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:26,400 different things you can look at at when it comes to blood work 421 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,900 and things that are will measure your amount of oxidative stress 422 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,900 in your body, but they, you can get kind of in the weeds with 423 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:34,400 the easy. Another kind of obscure little 424 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,800 things that aren't normally taken, but you could take a GT, 425 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,600 which is a liver enzyme that kind of measures oxidative 426 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,500 stress on the liver. You can measure different things 427 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:48,400 like damage to different fatty acids or damage to DNA or levels 428 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,200 of glutathione or things like that. 429 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,900 That all can give you an idea if there's oxidative stress, but 430 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:56,500 Regardless of, if there's oxidative stress or not. 431 00:20:56,500 --> 00:21:00,300 I'd still want to do the best, I can to reduce it and do things 432 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,000 to reduce it. Even if it's, I'm not testing 433 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,200 high for it, you know, because it's the oxidative stress and 434 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,300 inflammation that you could do. You could look at to to assess 435 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,100 whether or not there's going to be damage, the lining of 436 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:16,200 arteries, that may overwhelm the ability of the body to heal that 437 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,800 damaged. So you could also look at 438 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,400 markers of inflammation, like, you can look at various 439 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,800 cytokines, but, you know, the best General marker of 440 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,600 inflammation is like a heist. Sensitivity C-reactive protein 441 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:27,900 which is which is just definitely something that you 442 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,200 know, cardiologist do. Look at when you look at like a 443 00:21:30,208 --> 00:21:33,500 cardiac pain all day. They measure that for sure 444 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,300 because that's definitely associated with with higher risk 445 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:39,800 of heart disease and things. But then, I think the thing that 446 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:46,000 is most underutilized as far as risk for heart disease is heart 447 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,200 rate, variability. That's just something that you 448 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,600 really don't find measure too much within Western medicine. 449 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,700 Is there a heart rate of It heart rate, variability that you 450 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,200 like to see kind of as a where's the line drawn between this is 451 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,700 good or this is bad in your mind. 452 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,300 Well, so there's really so anywhere from like 20 to 100, 453 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,500 is, is normal. So there's really no, like, 454 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:08,700 like, with heart rate variability. 455 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:10,700 There's really no, like, you don't want to sit there and 456 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,900 compare like someone yours or someone else's, you know, like 457 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:19,100 if yours is 80 in someone else's is 30, you know, those both are 458 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:22,000 normal. You really have to kind of track 459 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,900 it over time and find out what's normal. 460 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,500 For you. And what's what's your kind of 461 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:30,700 average is so that you can see when it changes, right? 462 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:35,300 Because when it's all kind of relative, I guess, because if I 463 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:39,800 if I sit at say 40 normally and then I'm tracking it and it 464 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,400 drops down to 20. It's like, okay, what happened? 465 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,300 That's not normal for me. You know, that's kind of how I 466 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:49,000 tell people to look at heart rate variability, because you 467 00:22:49,008 --> 00:22:52,300 can't really just say, oh, I want to be in this range and In 468 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:56,000 the last chapter of my book. I kind of talked about how all 469 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,700 these different ranges, for different things. 470 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:02,400 On labs, are different biomarkers that we have may not 471 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,600 actually be as accurate as we think. 472 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,700 I mean, the ability of I Define health is the ability of the 473 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:09,800 body to adapt to certain situations. 474 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,300 And so trying to trying to quantify Health in a way that 475 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,000 puts everything in little boxes and it says, okay, it has to be 476 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,100 between these numbers is kind of kind of backwards when we look 477 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:24,900 at what what Fizz because health is like the ability of your body 478 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:27,600 to go out of those ranges and come back, right? 479 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000 You know, that's that's what health is. 480 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,800 And so just like, you know, if you're if you like health 481 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,100 metabolically is if I eat a ton of carbohydrates and I take my 482 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,900 blood sugar out of you know, what could be considered 483 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:45,600 healthy, it does it come back easily and get back into 484 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,700 ketosis? After I do that. 485 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:50,500 That's metabolic Health, you know, and so just so if I ate a 486 00:23:50,508 --> 00:23:53,100 bunch of carbohydrates and I My blood sugar and it was too high. 487 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,300 So she's like, oh, that's unhealthy. 488 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,000 Like well, no, that's what the body supposed to do move. 489 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,900 It comes back. That's how you know, or or 490 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:02,900 adaptation in the in autonomic nervous system. 491 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,600 Like, can I go through a stressful thing, a stressful 492 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,100 response and come back to Baseline, come back to balance 493 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,000 and the autonomic nervous system that's held, and that's what 494 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,700 heart rate variability is kind of measuring. 495 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,800 And so, if your if your heart rate variability is kind of in 496 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,300 this narrow window and it's lower than you don't have the 497 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,700 best ability to adapt to a stressful situation, which can 498 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:26,600 Too bad things happening in your body, you know, so so yeah, it's 499 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,800 interesting, you know to look at things like that because you 500 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800 know blood Works never going to tell you if you're healthy. 501 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:35,000 I'm not saying that we should never take it or anything. 502 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,100 I'm just saying that you know, there's I know I've had plenty 503 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,700 of people who you know, come to me with blood work that is 504 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:44,300 completely off. So to speak. 505 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,100 Like things are way out of whack everything, but they feel 506 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:47,400 amazing. They have no symptoms 507 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,900 whatsoever. And then there's people who have 508 00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:52,200 all kinds of symptoms and their blood looks Well, work looks 509 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,200 perfect, and they're just looking for explanations and 510 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200 nobody can give it to him. So it's just this, it's this 511 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,500 tool. We use what we shouldn't, really 512 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,000 use it, or should we allow it to tell us a healthy? 513 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,900 Not we just use it as a part of an overall assessment on of our 514 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:06,400 health. But yeah, that's those are my 515 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,400 kind of things that look at someone's metabolically, 516 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,500 healthy. Look at the amount of oxidative 517 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:13,000 stress and inflammation and then definitely balancing the 518 00:25:13,008 --> 00:25:15,300 autonomic nervous system by using heart rate, variability, 519 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,800 and make things better. You just using like a or ring or 520 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,800 something for HIV. Yeah. 521 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:23,500 I that's what I use to. Acts that, but there are lots of 522 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,900 different things. I mean, I don't know how 523 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,400 effective, a reliable, like the Apple watches are, but they'll 524 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,800 do it. But also, there's like a lead 525 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,700 HRV, there's different devices. People use like the Bayou straps 526 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,900 and just like something you can put on your wrist. 527 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,700 So there's lots of different devices that will help you track 528 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:39,700 that. Yeah. 529 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:42,800 I've got the word ring and I've been kind of keeping down HRV, 530 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,000 my wife Crystal. She's pregnant right now. 531 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,300 So her HRV is totally plummeted to like the teens, which is much 532 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,700 lower than normal, but I'm assuming that's probably normal 533 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,700 in the context of being. Pregnant, but mine's 534 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,500 consistently right around 50 or 60, which is pretty normal for 535 00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,600 me. I'm probably sleep as much as I 536 00:25:59,608 --> 00:26:01,500 should. But when it comes like that the 537 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,600 lipid profile, ma'am. I don't have any markers or 538 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,600 anything. That would be concerning. 539 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,400 Like, I look at mine. I'm consistently seeing Triggs 540 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:16,300 below, 50, H or HDL, you know, normally north of 100 and my 541 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,400 LDL, this is something that I'm curious about LDL seems to 542 00:26:19,408 --> 00:26:23,700 fluctuate tremendously based. Of what people consume the night 543 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:27,200 before they get tested. So if they go in have like a, 544 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,100 you know, particularly fatty meal saturated fats, barbecue 545 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,800 for instance, and then do a 12-hour fast and go get their 546 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Labs drawn the next day. Like that's typically going to 547 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,700 result in a significantly higher LDL count, which alarms their 548 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,200 their doctor, their General doc. So it just, it becomes a very 549 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,600 skewed glances to their health because it fluctuates 550 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,700 tremendously based off of something that, you know, they 551 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:50,900 had the night before. Yeah, definitely. 552 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:55,000 And and yeah, and you know, I'm sure you've heard of like day 553 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,400 Feldman and he's shown that, you know, if I if you if you don't 554 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,100 fast long enough then some of these numbers can be off. 555 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,400 So even a 12-hour fast may not be good enough. 556 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,100 If you're having, you know, High animal protein, high fat type of 557 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,700 meals, especially for triglycerides, but also for LDL, 558 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,800 so it's important not to say, you know, at least 14 hours for 559 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,300 some people in that situation. If you if you want to, you know, 560 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,600 get Truly accurate numbers because lots of times, you know, 561 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,900 those these more like keto meals and heavily more heavy animals. 562 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:31,000 They take a little longer to digest, which is not a problem. 563 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,800 But you have to account for that when you doing blood work, you 564 00:27:33,808 --> 00:27:35,000 know, right. Right. 565 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,200 I think. I'm not sure what podcasts, I 566 00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:39,400 listen to, I think it was saladino on Joe Rogan or 567 00:27:39,408 --> 00:27:41,200 something. He was saying that, he's got LDL 568 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:44,400 north of 500. I want to say, is there a point 569 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,000 at which, like LDL exclusively being incredibly high as 570 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,100 alarming? Or is it all just It's part of 571 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,800 the bigger picture. I mean, I think the jury is kind 572 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,600 of out on that. I haven't seen anything to 573 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,600 suggest that having higher LDL like that high would be 574 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,900 problematic. But that doesn't mean that it 575 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,800 may be more of a result of nobody's really looked at it. 576 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,800 And I think that there are people. 577 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,700 Alright, right now, out there trying to design studies to look 578 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:15,100 at specifically that. But in my opinion, I don't see 579 00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:20,000 how it would be, you know, if there was if there, if someone 580 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,900 was in a very inflamed Aid and had lots of oxidative stress and 581 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,200 having more LDL around, could be problematic, maybe it would, 582 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,200 maybe it would lead to, you know, less or higher viscosity 583 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,900 of the blood, which is more likely to induce clotting when 584 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:39,500 the Bloods just not moving as well as it should be or or maybe 585 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:46,200 maybe the things that damage LDL, there's more LDL to be 586 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,100 damaged, you know, and then that damaged lbl can contribute to 587 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,800 damage as well. It's just like this Cascade of 588 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,500 events in is So like maybe in that state, but if someone's, 589 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,100 you know, living a pretty healthy life that got low levels 590 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,400 of information low levels of oxidative stress and I don't see 591 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,500 why that would be an issue. And, you know, in my book, I 592 00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:07,500 talk about how there's this layer of fourth phase water that 593 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,800 surrounds, the inner layer of the artery. 594 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:11,400 As long as we're putting ourselves in the right 595 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600 environment, which is contact with the earth and sun light and 596 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,200 infrared, light and things like that. 597 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,300 And so if that layer is intact, it excludes everything, that's 598 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,500 not it. So it really doesn't matter. 599 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:25,600 How much LDL is around. It's not getting to the lining 600 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,400 of the artery if that layers attacks. 601 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,500 So it's all about putting yourself in the right 602 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:32,600 environment. So yeah, so, you know, we'll see 603 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,200 in the future, when some of this, these studies come out, 604 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,900 but I based on anything I look at I don't see it being an 605 00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:38,400 issue. Now. 606 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,500 There is some studies and people with familial 607 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,500 hypercholesterolemia, which is where they haven't genetically 608 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:47,300 very high LDL levels. And it doesn't seem that they 609 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,700 live any longer or shorter than anybody else. 610 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,500 And one of the studies said that, The people with that 611 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,400 condition who did live shorter, it was likely due to other 612 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,700 lifestyle factors, you know, they were smoking or drinking 613 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,600 and not exercising, or eating processed food diets. 614 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,700 Like it was those things that cause them to live a shorter 615 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:07,800 life, not their higher LDL. So so, yeah, I don't think that 616 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,200 it would matter, but we'll see. And when other research comes 617 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,900 out, you know, I think so much of it has to be kind of viewed 618 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,300 through the lens of, you know, if someone's following a 619 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:20,100 ketogenic or lower carb, higher fat, based diet versus more of a 620 00:30:20,108 --> 00:30:24,600 traditional standard. In your mix Diet and then I 621 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,800 would feel like the markers that you're getting are, you know, by 622 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,100 definition going to be highly skewed. 623 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:33,400 So you can't really, you know, approach the treatment necessary 624 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,200 for the individual through the same lens. 625 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,100 I mean, I'm boggled by people that go and get their their 626 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,500 lipids done and in their their doctor automatically prescribes 627 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:44,700 them, a Statin without any question whatsoever as to what 628 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,500 their nutrition is, like. My dad just got put on a low 629 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,000 dose that in his, his ldls, not even 200, like it's not 630 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,400 astronomically. Any means, but like, that's not 631 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,800 even part of the general conversation. 632 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600 When you go to the doctor and they automatically prescribe, 633 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,500 you stands. It seems. 634 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,100 Yeah, and so, it's interesting because if you trace like kind 635 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,700 of the history of what the recommendations are, what LDL 636 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,300 should be or what cholesterol should be. 637 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,500 There was a lot of meetings in the past that were specifically 638 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,900 set up and funded by pharmaceutical companies to 639 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:18,400 lower the LDL recommendation, you know, to lower what it 640 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800 should be. And you know, that's more or 641 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,300 less because the Pharmaceutical companies know that if the 642 00:31:23,308 --> 00:31:26,400 recommendations is it for LDL to be under 100, in total question 643 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,800 will be under 200. They can prescribe more statins. 644 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,200 And so you have to take into account but there's that 645 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Financial backing there. But it also tells me that we 646 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,900 really have no idea what LDL is supposed to be what is ideal. 647 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:42,900 And maybe there is no ideal for any blood marker and that's kind 648 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:46,200 of the philosophical question. I try and discuss in the last 649 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,500 chapter of my book is that we really don't know because, you 650 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,900 know, if we take, you know, where Menswear for millions of 651 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:56,000 years which is out of out in nature, eating a natural food 652 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,200 diet, whether it be, you know, more plants or more animals or 653 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,600 whatever. It was, whatever was available 654 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200 to them. You know, which to me was 655 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,300 probably more animals. What are their blood work look? 656 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,400 Like, you know, like the normal is that we have for our blood 657 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,100 work are based on, you know, healthy populations within the 658 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:18,300 context of a modern-day society, which is nothing like what for 659 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,900 the majority of time humans. Modern humans have been around. 660 00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:24,800 We're living a Z, right? So so how do we know that? 661 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,200 You know, that those ranges are what are actually normal for 662 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,000 humans or if there even is a normal. 663 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,700 I mean, there was a study that just came out recently maybe 664 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,900 maybe six months ago or so. Then I talk about my book that 665 00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:43,400 that that showed that like it's just an association of study. 666 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,100 So you have to take it with a grain of salt, right? 667 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:49,800 But it's it showed that the levels of LDL and levels of 668 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,500 total cholesterol that were most. 669 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:55,300 Released associated with any type of heart disease or 670 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:59,200 all-cause mortality. In general were a total 671 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,400 cholesterol between 200 and 250, which is above what they say. 672 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,000 It should be in an LDL between 100 and 150, those people who 673 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,600 had those levels. There had the least all-cause 674 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,800 mortality, at least heart disease, cancer least infection 675 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,900 all that kind of stuff. So, so, and that's just an 676 00:33:15,908 --> 00:33:19,200 association so we can't really, you know, say anything from it, 677 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,200 but like it's just interesting because if LDL and total 678 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,700 cholesterol was so causative in heart disease. 679 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,900 You'd think there would at least be an association, you know, 680 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:33,600 between having higher amounts and and and more disease, right? 681 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800 But when we don't see that, it's almost like, if these 682 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,700 Association studies not seeing an association is, is way more 683 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,600 useful than seeing one and saying, oh, that's the cosmic 684 00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,600 because you can't really prove that, you know, so it's just 685 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,300 interesting to think about that. You know, we humans are trying 686 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:54,800 to quantify things. That that create disease and 687 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,300 measure those things. So we can assess our risk, but 688 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,700 even like some of the major editors of the major journals, 689 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,400 like Marcia angle, who is the editor of the New England 690 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,200 Journal of Medicine has come out. 691 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,000 And said things like, you know, these, these medical journals 692 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600 are being used heavily by pharmaceutical companies as 693 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,400 advertising, you know, so it's basically, yeah, it's basically 694 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,500 what can we, what kind of study can we design to? 695 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Show that our product is useful or that, you know, higher levels 696 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,800 of this are problematic so that we can make a drug to bring it 697 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,000 down. You know, like it's they're 698 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,900 being used in that way rather than just purely asking 699 00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,500 questions about science and finding the answer, you know, 700 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:41,000 like it's pretty scary but it just means we have to use that 701 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,400 stuff as part of our, our toolkit, you know, to think how 702 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,500 we should live and how we should be healthy and everything, but 703 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,199 always keep that kind of stuff in mind. 704 00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:52,900 Yeah, would it be? My mind how like you talk to 705 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,000 anybody in the general public and you mentioned the word 706 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000 cholesterol. They automatically associated 707 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,700 with a negative thing that is is supposed to be lowered, you 708 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,300 know, as much as possible. I think of like cholesterol 709 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,300 being the precursor to testosterone and every cell in 710 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,100 our body having, you know, a layer of fat surrounding like 711 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,800 you don't want to reduce cholesterol to the point where 712 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,800 it's insignificant and I feel like a lot of people are doing 713 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,900 so and their health is not improving as a result. 714 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:21,500 I mean there, I don't really know. 715 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,600 So to the extent of which, this is true, if it's true at all. 716 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,900 But there has been some studies that show, you know, potentially 717 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:30,000 adverse effects from too much Statin. 718 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,500 You try it from like a neurological standpoint. 719 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:32,800 Is there any, is there any weight to that? 720 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,200 Or is that not so much the case? So, definitely. 721 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,700 Yeah, so I go through that and chapter 7, my book, like, you 722 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:42,100 know, not only all the benefits of cholesterol and what the body 723 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:45,900 uses it for. But also all the side effects of 724 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,600 statins, you know, there's I just saw a study the other day. 725 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,500 I'm with someone I follow on Instagram. 726 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,300 Newer study. That was showing that, you know, 727 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,900 keeping your LDL too low like, you know, some cardiologists, 728 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,500 like we want it below 70, you know, they aggressively use 729 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,500 statins and then it, basically, the study showed that people who 730 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,900 did that had had cognitive issues because the brain is 731 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,100 largely made up of cholesterol, you know, and so but there's 732 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:13,900 also, you know, like making making different hormones, 733 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,600 making vitamin D. It's different precursors in the 734 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,500 in the process of making cholesterol are used for 735 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:23,100 different things like making An internal antioxidants, which are 736 00:36:23,107 --> 00:36:25,700 really important for reducing oxidative stress and 737 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:29,500 inflammation or, or insulin signal. 738 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,600 Or it's so much chapter 16, you know, one of the precursors is 739 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,200 used for that which, which we want to prevent insulin 740 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,600 resistance, which we talked about already. 741 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800 So, like, cholesterol is useful for all these different things. 742 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,400 It's necessary for all these different things and if you 743 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,400 lower it to aggressively, you know, you're going to have 744 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400 issues. And that's why that one 745 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,400 Association of studies. So that that, you know, LDL 746 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,100 between 100 Was associated with the least all-cause, mortality 747 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:55,900 and disease. No, because your body is using 748 00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,900 it for these things. And so, you know, there's 749 00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,200 plenty, plenty of evidence that I go through, in my book about 750 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,400 how a statins are not preventing heart to heart attacks or heart 751 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,300 disease. And in some cases, they're even 752 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,500 creating more like atherosclerosis and things. 753 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,400 But also that they're also causing another set of symptoms. 754 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,800 I mean, I'm a I'm a chiropractor. 755 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,300 I do miss them only mainly like neuromusculoskeletal in my 756 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,300 clinic, you know. And I can't tell you how many 757 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:27,400 people have come in and said, you know, I'm at started having 758 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,800 this pain and I asked him. Okay. 759 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,700 Well what what changed? You know and and lots of them, 760 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,500 not all of them obviously, but lots of them say, well, I 761 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,900 started taking a Statin, you know, and it's causing muscle 762 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,300 pain because cholesterol is essential for for muscle 763 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,700 function. And so if you'll owe her too 764 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:44,500 much, you're not going to get proper muscle function. 765 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,900 It's going to be painful. So yeah, so all kinds of things, 766 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,400 all kinds of issues and that's just the I got to just highlight 767 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,800 the The I guess the shortsightedness of of the way 768 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,800 pharmaceutical companies and Western medicine, kind of 769 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,000 thinking about things. It's like rather than make the 770 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000 body work better or figure out. What's why it's not working. 771 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Well, let's try and change one biochemical Pathway to get a 772 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,200 result on a blood work, which is you treating the blood work and 773 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,200 not treating the person. And so, and then yeah, then 774 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,100 you're then you're creating all these other issues because 775 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,000 you're changing one biochemical pathway in a very complex 776 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,500 biological. Logical system that is not 777 00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,200 that's not just going to affect one thing. 778 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,500 It's going to affect all kinds of different things in that 779 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:31,500 complex system. Do you, do you check your blood 780 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,200 pressure regularly? Like do you take that into 781 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,700 consideration through any of this? 782 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:38,000 No, not really. I mean, I I mean, I've always 783 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,100 had relatively normal or low blood pressure not like 784 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:47,300 pathologically low. Gadget or anything like that, 785 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,700 but so at that's always been fine, but even, but even then, 786 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,500 like blood pressure is like, we're again, we're very obsessed 787 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:57,100 with keeping it below. 120 over 80, you know, but, you know, 788 00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:59,400 your blood pressure going up, is it is an indication that your 789 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,200 body's trying to adapt to something to some situation. 790 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,400 You know, that's why there's white coat syndrome when you 791 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,800 have high blood pressure. When you go to the doctor 792 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,100 because you're nervous, right? Like if your blood pressure 793 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,400 didn't go up. When you were nervous, I'd be 794 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,600 concerned, you know, and so we're getting rid of obsessing 795 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,600 over keeping these things where they need to be. 796 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:20,100 Rather than recognizing that the body needs to be able to attack 797 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,300 the different situations. Now if it tries to adapt to it 798 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,700 and it doesn't come back down. Okay, that's an issue. 799 00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,900 You know, like if your blood pressure stays up when you're 800 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,300 when you're just relaxed at home or whatever, under no stress or 801 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,900 whatever. Then okay, maybe that's an issue 802 00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,700 or if your blood sugar, you know goes up and never comes back 803 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,400 down or comes back down to slowly. 804 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,000 You know that okay, that's insulin resistance. 805 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,800 That's that's a problem. But people get really obsessed 806 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,200 with these these numbers and what they're supposed to be and 807 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,300 and Instead of measuring the body's ability to adapt which is 808 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,600 taking these static numbers on blood work or Biometrics that 809 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,700 make sense. Yeah total makes total sense 810 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,900 when it comes to you you're going to have probably a little 811 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,400 bit of a different situation because you are type 1 diabetic. 812 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,300 But when it comes to what, you know about the heart, how it 813 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:06,100 functions always interlinking, you know, equations when it 814 00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,100 comes to your nutrition, are you you're pretty much following a 815 00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:10,900 ketogenic low carb approach, right? 816 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:17,000 Yeah, it's pretty low carb. I so I like, I like to say that 817 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,700 I follow metabolically flexible die, which could be a lot of 818 00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,800 different diets, you know, because you could be, you could 819 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,500 eat a vegan, metabolic inflexible diet. 820 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,300 That's possible. You could eat a truly ketogenic 821 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:32,900 diet were seventy percent of your calories, come from fat and 822 00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:34,300 that could be metabolically flexible. 823 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:38,500 But the idea is you want to keep your body able to burn fats and 824 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:43,500 carbohydrates readily. At any time, you know, so if you 825 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,900 and generally that means lower carbohydrate, you know, and not 826 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,500 having tons of carbohydrates all the time, doesn't mean you can 827 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,400 never have them, but you want to keep them to a minimum and you 828 00:40:53,408 --> 00:40:56,200 want to make sure their whole food carbohydrates, but the 829 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,000 majority of your energy comes from fatty acids, and I think 830 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,600 animal fats are way better than plan fast. 831 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000 And I talked about that in the book, you know, having 832 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,800 cholesterol versus 50 straw, which final straw was like, 833 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:11,700 basically the plant version of cholesterol, and why Having 834 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:14,000 cholesterol is way better for you than Phi toaster all. 835 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,200 But, but yeah, so I think that, you know, just eating in a way 836 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,600 that creates metabolic flexibility. 837 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,600 And so, for me, that's, you know, pretty low carbohydrate, 838 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600 especially trying to control type 1, diabetes. 839 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,200 It's that's really useful for me, just to, to lower the amount 840 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,500 of food that I eat that do raise blood sugar a lot, which are 841 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:34,200 carbohydrate-rich foods, but I do eat, you know, some berries 842 00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:38,900 and and maybe a sweet potato every now and then think things 843 00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:45,500 like that, but generally it's Pretty low carb, very centered 844 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:51,000 around animal foods and then, you know, lower carb vegetables 845 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,500 and things like that. That's that's pretty much what I 846 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:54,500 eat. Yeah. 847 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,600 Yeah. I mean most people following a 848 00:41:56,607 --> 00:42:00,000 standard American diet or just any the outside of a local cover 849 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000 approach are never really given their body opportunity to become 850 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,300 fat adapted. So, you know, once you go that 851 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,700 route once you go, you know ketogenic even if only 852 00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:11,400 temporarily your body builds up, those metabolic pathways to A 853 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,000 function and fuel itself with ketones and fatty acids, which 854 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,500 is advantageous. Do you think there's any like 855 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:21,100 for me? I don't introduce a bunch of 856 00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:24,000 carbs in. I mean, I don't feel better when 857 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,800 I do. I don't perform better when I do 858 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000 but I don't also think that my body forgets how to metabolize 859 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,600 glucose. So if I was to eat a sweet 860 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,600 potato right now, my body wouldn't know what to do with 861 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,600 it. Like it's not like it forgets 862 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,000 how to do that. But most people never become fat 863 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,100 adapted to begin with apart from when they're born. 864 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,900 So they would, they would benefit from from having these 865 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,400 periods of switching back and forth. 866 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,300 So to speak like you're saying with regard to the metabolic 867 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:49,900 flexibility. Yeah, it's really interesting 868 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:54,800 because you can like metabolic metabolic flexible is way worse. 869 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,900 When you become to align on carbohydrates. 870 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,300 It's and if you're eating the standard American diet and 871 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,500 having tons of carbs process carbs, especially all day long, 872 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,700 your body forgets, how to, you know, metabolize fats. 873 00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:10,200 It doesn't forget, but it down regulates those Pathways and it, 874 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,800 it almost forgets how to make ketones, you know, and so when 875 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,000 you start going lower carb, that's why there's like this to 876 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000 26 weeks, period, where you have this, you know, keto flu kind of 877 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,100 thing, because your body is really having to work hard to 878 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,100 update. Those Pathways again and teach 879 00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:28,400 itself to to, to burn fatty acids, and make ketones for fuel 880 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:31,900 and stop using carbohydrate now, but you can become metabolic 881 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:33,900 inflexible. The other way, if you stay in 882 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:38,300 ketosis for a very long time, but typically, it's like, you 883 00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,200 start E2 carbohydrate and, and they've shown this. 884 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,400 Other people are in ketosis for a long time and then they eat a 885 00:43:43,408 --> 00:43:46,200 carbohydrate, their blood sugar does go higher and it looks like 886 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,100 they're in so a distant. But if you did that for like a 887 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,700 day or two, then your body starts burning this carbs again 888 00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:55,400 here and you're just fine. So it's just like the time 889 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,700 period. It takes two to get metabolic 890 00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:59,600 effects. Will from a high carb diet is 891 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,200 way longer and way more damaging, I think because 892 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,900 burning glucose primarily from fuel creates more oxidative 893 00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:09,900 stress and less ATP and things but also it just takes longer to 894 00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,600 get there. Whereas, you know, if You were 895 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,100 in ketosis for a long time like your body goes back to burning 896 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,600 carbs pretty quickly. That it's not going to cause any 897 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,500 issues. You know, 100%, 100%. 898 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,100 Yeah, I've had the you know, some people have raised the 899 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,800 question as to if it's damaging to be low carb ketogenic, you 900 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,100 know, except for extended periods of time. 901 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:31,100 I just I don't see any any indication that that would be 902 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:32,900 negative. Like there may be that, you 903 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:35,900 know, 24 or 48-hour period in which you have, you know, hired 904 00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:39,500 blood blood glucose after a postprandial meal with a hiring 905 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:43,400 carbohydrate, but Like you said that that would typically level 906 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,000 out after just a few days. Yeah, your body would would 907 00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:49,100 readily go to burning those carbohydrates. 908 00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:50,600 Again. Pretty pretty easily. 909 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,400 Yeah, when it comes to, you know, with regard to nutrition, 910 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,100 you were talking about the plant sterols versus, you know, animal 911 00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:59,400 fats. I'd love to kind of dive deeper 912 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,300 net. So, you're more in favor of 913 00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:05,000 saturated animal fats than just loading up on a bunch of 914 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,100 monounsaturated fats or certainly, highly inflammatory 915 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,600 polyunsaturated fats, correct? Definitely. 916 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,400 Yeah, so and it's and it's not necessarily just polyunsaturated 917 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,000 fats, it specifically plant versions of them, you know, 918 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,900 because like when I think about but you know perfect fatty acid 919 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,600 ratio makes a mistake, you know it. 920 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,500 Yeah, it's a just like, you know, grass-fed meat especially, 921 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,600 you know, like that's what we want. 922 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,600 And the problem is that we don't it's not that we don't have 923 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200 enough Mega threes and we should pop up like Jamaica three pills, 924 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,500 you know, it's it's that we have way too many Omega sixes because 925 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:39,600 people are eating vegetable oils and things like that. 926 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,900 So that's the problem. So rather than try and even have 927 00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,900 to ratio by taking a bunch of Omega-3s or eating a ton of Mega 928 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:47,900 three, which reads we should really just lowered the omega-6 929 00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:52,600 foods that we're eating. But even even beside besides the 930 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,800 omega-3 versus Omega 6 discussion. 931 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,600 There's cholesterol versus Phi toaster, all which there's, you 932 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,500 know, cholesterol is made for Animals. 933 00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:04,700 It's the fat made for animals and phytosterol is made for 934 00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:06,000 plants as well. Plants use. 935 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,100 It's like the cholesterol version of for plants, right? 936 00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:14,600 And so, We're animals, right? Yeah, so we use cholesterol. 937 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,500 That doesn't mean that our bodies can't use my toaster all 938 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:21,200 in place of cholesterol that has to, but it would much rather use 939 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,800 cholesterol. And there's actually some 940 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,900 studies that show some evidence that, uh, you know, when we eat 941 00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:31,000 lots of phytosterol, which is like vegetable oils and plant 942 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,600 fats, and things like that, that they compete for absorption in 943 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,800 the gut. And we, absorb less cholesterol, 944 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,400 which is why the, which is why the Like things like margarine 945 00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:44,300 and vegetable oils are touted as Hearts help our heart healthy 946 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,700 because it had it prevents absorption of cholesterol. 947 00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:49,700 Therefore lowering cholesterol in the blood and so they said oh 948 00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:51,900 that's heart healthy, but you know, the fact that lowering 949 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,700 cholesterol is not heart, healthy was never taken into 950 00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,600 account. But so it's interesting. 951 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,900 But when your, when your body like, when we're eating tons of 952 00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:06,100 these phytosterols and your body is forced to use, use that in 953 00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:09,500 place of cholesterol. I talk about some studies in my 954 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:12,400 book that That are that are the looks like it's pretty 955 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,300 problematic. Right? 956 00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:17,300 So one of the one of the issues is that you know, the red blood 957 00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:20,600 cells look like kind of like a donut in their shape. 958 00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:25,400 They they use cholesterol to build up the cell membranes and 959 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,700 that makes them very flexible makes them able to bend around. 960 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,700 So they get into those very small capillaries. 961 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:31,400 They can kind of squeeze through, right? 962 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,700 And sometimes, they even been themselves a little bit to get 963 00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:36,500 through. However, if our body is forced 964 00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:41,200 to use Phi toaster all to make those Get very rigid. 965 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,200 And so then they try and squeeze through and they end up damaging 966 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,800 things. And so they've done these 967 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,000 studies in rats, not in humans, but they've done these studies 968 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,300 where they feed them more phytosterol and there they 969 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:56,000 definitely have more Strokes that caused more damage to these 970 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,400 these in arteries, the capillaries because they can't 971 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,300 squeeze through as well. And so I want to build my red 972 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,600 blood cells with cholesterol, not with Fido straw. 973 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,100 And then, there was also this other study where or it was 974 00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,900 actually part of the same study, where Are they they did surveys 975 00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:14,000 on people who were going to get a heart valve transplant. 976 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,300 And they asked them how many or how much they basically asked 977 00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:22,600 them like, food surveys or whatever to give an idea of how 978 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,300 much phytosterol, how much plant fat, they were eating versus 979 00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:30,600 animal fat and it showed that the people who ate the most 980 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,900 plant fat when they went in there and they replace the 981 00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:38,600 valve, that the valve, they were going to replace had way higher 982 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,900 amounts of Deposited fight. Oster all around the valve. 983 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:49,200 And so, and the one who reported eating lab s and was a direct 984 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,400 correlation eating less had much less deposition of phytosterol 985 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,200 around those valves, which is interesting. 986 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,500 Again. It's kind of Association, but 987 00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:58,100 it's a pretty interesting Association. 988 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,400 So it to me, I just think that, you know, where designed to to 989 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,700 eat cholesterol and when it comes to unsaturated fatty 990 00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:08,000 acids, we're supposed to get those from animals as well. 991 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,800 You know, it's not These plant versions aren't serving us as 992 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,500 far as their hiring a mega sixes, which we want to keep 993 00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,600 that down a little bit. We still need to make a success 994 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,400 but keep that down to a healthy level and also their 995 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,600 phytosterol, not cholesterol. So basically avoiding all the 996 00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:28,600 soybean oil grape seed, oil grape seed, oil flaxseed oil, 997 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,300 all of these plant-derived fats and oils that are are not really 998 00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:36,000 going to be boding. Well for our the red blood cell, 999 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,500 basically the formation of red blood cells. 1000 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,400 Yeah. Yeah. 1001 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,800 That's those. That's the big issue because 1002 00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:42,100 Like I'm not going to sit here and say, oh don't eat coconut 1003 00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,900 oil, don't eat olive oil, like pure olive oil. 1004 00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:46,400 You gotta make sure it's pure, although not contaminate with 1005 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,800 coconut oil, or, with canola oil, or things like that, or 1006 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,700 like avocado. I'm not going to say, Don't eat. 1007 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:55,200 Those are definitely healthier things than the standard 1008 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,700 American diet, right? The real issue is to the 1009 00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:59,200 widespread consumption of the vegetables. 1010 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,100 That's what's driving up. The amount of phytosterol were 1011 00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,800 eating. Its what's driving up, you know, 1012 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,400 oxidative damage to those things. 1013 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,300 It's what's its that's the real problem. 1014 00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,200 And so we need to focus. Asan, animal fats. 1015 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,900 And if you want to include some plant fats, like coconut oil or 1016 00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:15,900 olive oil, things like that. That's fine. 1017 00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,700 But your diet should have lots of cholesterol and animal fats 1018 00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:21,800 in it to make sure that that's the primary thing. 1019 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,200 Your body is using to build, not just red blood cells, but also 1020 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,700 is really but especially the red blood cells. 1021 00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:29,700 Totally. It's been interesting to see 1022 00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:31,700 minute. I've been in the space longing 1023 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:34,700 to see how these different types come and go and, you know, for a 1024 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,900 while it was like blaming sugar and sugar probably obviously not 1025 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,600 optimal but then Lately, it's been this this massive finger 1026 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,700 pointing towards highly inflammatory polyunsaturated, 1027 00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:47,900 vegetable oils, you know, and they've, they've looked at 1028 00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:50,400 graphic graft that out. And so on that, you know, the 1029 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,700 Obesity epidemic is kind of more or less correlated to the same 1030 00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,100 Trend and increased consumption of these oils. 1031 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,800 So it's like people are trying to say that's the primary driver 1032 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,400 and maybe it is. Maybe it isn't not sure but you 1033 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,600 get other people in the space not so much the keto space but 1034 00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:05,300 other nutritional spheres that are saying. 1035 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:08,900 Look there is no issue whatsoever with these you know 1036 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:11,200 vegetables eat. Eat them at libitum. 1037 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,200 Don't worry about him at all. And I'm just amazed at how much 1038 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,500 conflict and controversy there is out there. 1039 00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,400 Like, how come there's not just some Standalone like we can 1040 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,100 agree on this not being optimal, but that doesn't seem to be the 1041 00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:27,600 case. Yeah, and I really like, I read 1042 00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:32,400 10 Naamans book and I really like his approach because he 1043 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,800 breaks it down to, you know, we can sit here and argue about 1044 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,900 whether or not these these oils are good or bad and we can 1045 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,800 design studies that isolate different. 1046 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,700 Balls and try and show that though, the unsaturated fats 1047 00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:45,800 aren't bad or whatever. But I like his approach because 1048 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,400 it's simple. It's like, you know, when you 1049 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,700 eat a food, you know, you wanted to have like, you need, you need 1050 00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:58,700 energy, and you need nutrients. And so the energy either food 1051 00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:01,400 that has energy and nutrients and that's good. 1052 00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,100 Right? So, like a steak, it has energy 1053 00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:07,000 in the form of fat and, and it has nutrients that sounds of 1054 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,700 protein vitamins and minerals. And so that's a good food. 1055 00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:12,300 Right, but then you take something like a vegetable oil. 1056 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,200 That's just straight energy and that's not good. 1057 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,400 That's not, that's never going to satiate your body because it 1058 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,200 needs energy and vitamins and minerals. 1059 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,500 So I really like that because it breaks it down. 1060 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:24,200 Like that's just logical. It makes complete sense. 1061 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,200 Like, and you don't have to go into the Weeds about, you know, 1062 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,600 does it? Cause oxidative stress? 1063 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,900 Does it cause heart disease? Like what like does do 1064 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:34,500 polyunsaturated fats from plants? 1065 00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:36,500 Like do they cause insulin resistance? 1066 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,700 Like, which I think they do but, you know, like you don't have to 1067 00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:41,300 do all that, you have to say like That's not a natural food. 1068 00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:44,200 That's not what humans have been eating for millions of years. 1069 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,900 Is this this refined vegetable oil or refined sugar like 1070 00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:49,300 anything? Those are just straight energy. 1071 00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,000 There's no nutrients within which is a problem. 1072 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,000 Yeah. No, I like to name is approach 1073 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,300 for sure. I've had him on the podcast 1074 00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,100 several times and we have a lot more common ground that not 1075 00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:59,800 people want to inconstancy. He's on one in the Spectrum on 1076 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,700 the other but there's a lot more common ground than not. 1077 00:53:01,900 --> 00:53:05,300 And I feel like people people in general, just like to operate in 1078 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:08,500 the extremes and people like to do this, incredibly high fat 1079 00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:11,700 approach or this incredibly A high-protein approach and that 1080 00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:15,300 oftentimes just simply not sustainable and obviously, you 1081 00:53:15,308 --> 00:53:17,800 know, whether you're consuming in a surplus or in a significant 1082 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,000 deficit is going to have an impact. 1083 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,100 I mean if you're consuming at a massive Surplus and that Surplus 1084 00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:25,300 is comprised of a lot of Highly inflammatory foods, it's that's 1085 00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,600 certainly not going to bode well to improving your overall 1086 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,600 composition when it's all said and done. 1087 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,100 I mean, you got to take all these factors into 1088 00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:32,800 consideration. Definitely. 1089 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,500 Yeah, and it's, yeah, the extremes kind of people stuck in 1090 00:53:36,508 --> 00:53:40,200 it and I understand it too because you know, it's When you, 1091 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,800 when you file an extreme thing and you limit everything else, 1092 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:49,700 it it it kind of helps you stay on it, you know, like you can't 1093 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:51,100 say, oh, I'll have that every once in a while because you 1094 00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:54,100 getting a end up eating a lot of it, you know, I can understand 1095 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,400 for some people that by doing an extreme thing. 1096 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,300 It helps them stay more adherent to whatever they're trying to 1097 00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:00,100 do. Totally. 1098 00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:02,900 Yeah, I get that. But yeah, sometimes I think it's 1099 00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,600 taken too far and we get dogmatic about it, which is a 1100 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,200 problem. And so, so it's better to be, 1101 00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:13,100 you know, More open and in your thoughts and things like that. 1102 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,400 Yeah, I mean for when it comes to nutrition, I probably just I 1103 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,900 try to just make it super simple and tell people. 1104 00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:21,300 Hey look, you're going to benefit from having periods of 1105 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:23,100 time in the caloric Surplus. You're going to benefit from 1106 00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:24,700 having periods of time in a caloric deficit. 1107 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,100 And if each of those times you make that food consists of the 1108 00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,000 highest quality, you can, you know, from good singling 1109 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,400 reading, Wholesome foods with proteins and fats. 1110 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,700 You're probably going to be all right, and if I mean that that's 1111 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,500 the huge oversimplification, but if people simply just did that, 1112 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,000 they would certainly be doing You know, classic 80/20 1113 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,100 analysis, and proven things for the general part. 1114 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,000 Definitely. Yeah, so what do you got coming, 1115 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,200 man? What's in the pipeline for you? 1116 00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,100 I am obviously speaking of Kita akan. 1117 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,200 Nice. And yeah. 1118 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,300 Yeah, I'll be there in July, the book comes out. 1119 00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:00,800 So my book was originally self-published but I got picked 1120 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,700 up by a publisher and so it's being re-released with you know, 1121 00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:08,000 I added some things. It's information that I wanted 1122 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,200 to add and end. It comes out April. 7th. 1123 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000 It's available for pre-order now, so that's the big push 1124 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,200 right now as we're trying to let people know that that's coming 1125 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,800 out. And you know the book it talks 1126 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,400 about a lot of things that about the from The evolutionary 1127 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,700 origins of heart disease and like the evolution of 1128 00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,600 mitochondria, all the way up to like the diet heart hypothesis 1129 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,800 and how that developed with the ancel keys and everything. 1130 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,800 But it also talks about, you know, how the heart's, not the 1131 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,900 main mover of the blood. And that's not why it's there, 1132 00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:37,800 and the mechanisms, by which the blood moves. 1133 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,800 It heart talks about why heart cancer is rare and the specific 1134 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,700 characteristics of the heart that that make heart cancer, 1135 00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:48,300 very rare, and you know what, I think of the true Has of 1136 00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,000 atherosclerosis, you know, everything from the relationship 1137 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,200 of the health of our mouth to heart disease, to to our social 1138 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,100 aspect to the autonomic nervous system. 1139 00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:59,700 I go into a lot of different aspects of Health, but 1140 00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:01,700 definitely hard health. So, that's the big thing for my 1141 00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:03,000 nose. At the books, coming out, April 1142 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,700 7th. And you know, I'm always I'm 1143 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:08,900 always working on new things. I mean, I'm in the very 1144 00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:13,000 beginnings of may be gathering information for the next book. 1145 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,600 But but yeah, that's what I got going on. 1146 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,700 Now, nice man. Well, I'll be, I'll be getting a 1147 00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:19,000 copy. When that comes out for sure, 1148 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000 what is, what is your website resource? 1149 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,600 Your health.com resource yelp.com. 1150 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,400 Awesome. One more thing. 1151 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,000 I meant to ask this earlier, but I totally spaced out the past 1152 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,300 two years. We've been hearing a lot about 1153 00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,600 myocarditis. I know she had a blog post about 1154 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,700 that on your site. What is that? 1155 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,400 Exactly? And what have you learned about 1156 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,600 it over the past two years? Yeah. 1157 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,100 So there's there's myocarditis and there's like pericarditis. 1158 00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,500 So myocarditis is actually inflammation of the heart muscle 1159 00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:48,200 itself. Cough. 1160 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:50,400 And it's just like, when this inflammation happens in this 1161 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,200 pericarditis, which there's like this kind of like the sac that 1162 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,500 surrounds the heart that kind of isolates it, you know, within 1163 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,500 within your body and that can become inflamed as well. 1164 00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:04,000 And you lot of people talked about that and how it develops. 1165 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,700 And you know, there's people have been saying that it's 1166 00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,700 developed because of the vaccine and stuff, which I wouldn't be 1167 00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,900 surprised if that was the case, but I don't know if that is the 1168 00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:17,100 case or not. But various things can can 1169 00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:20,000 relate to this. And it's all we've talked about 1170 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,500 inflammation and oxidative stress and over this past hour 1171 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:26,600 and the things that cause that inflammation oxidative stress or 1172 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,500 going to cause inflammation anywhere in the body, if you 1173 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,300 happen to be susceptible in the area of your heart, like the 1174 00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:34,600 heart tissue or or the tissue that surrounds the heart that 1175 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,000 the pericardium, then, yeah, you can get inflammation in that 1176 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,100 area and the issue with that. Is that is that that like, your 1177 00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,000 body is put together a very compactly. 1178 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,700 And there's no room for things to get inflamed and larger and 1179 00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:49,400 things like that. It's Why its my carpal tunnel is 1180 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,400 an issue because that nerve gets inflamed and that carpal tunnel 1181 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,400 is put together very compactly. And so if something is inflamed, 1182 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,100 it starts to cause pain. There's no room for that to 1183 00:57:57,107 --> 00:57:58,700 happen. So same kind of thing in the 1184 00:57:58,707 --> 00:58:00,400 heart. And so what ended up happening 1185 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,500 there is if we get inflammation like that then the heart can't 1186 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,500 function as well. You know, it can't contract like 1187 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,000 it's supposed to because there's this inflammation pushing on the 1188 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,700 side and so that can lead to that can lead to fluid around 1189 00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:16,800 the heart, which can cause you because that's that's pushing 1190 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,200 into the heart and and Preventing it from Contracting, 1191 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,800 which all this stuff will end up like the heart could end up like 1192 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,100 kind of reshaping itself a little bit. 1193 00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,400 So it's instead of the end of it being shaped more like a 1194 00:58:27,408 --> 00:58:29,400 football, can be shaped more like a basketball. 1195 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,000 And that's what we call it. Like, you know, dilated 1196 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,000 cardiomyopathy, where we get a car failure, which basically 1197 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,700 means that, you know, the heart is not functioning as a supposed 1198 00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:43,500 to, I have my opinions on what the hearts function actually is, 1199 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:48,600 which I outlined in the book and what Ash Drink its blood moving. 1200 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,400 But if we're not doing those things, then we get information 1201 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,800 of the hearted. It changes the function, the 1202 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,800 heart can't Vortex. Like, it's supposed to it. 1203 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,200 Can't move blood through itself. Like especially we have to get 1204 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,800 pulling up of fluid, which is, you know, a demon like in the in 1205 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,100 the arms and legs and things like that. 1206 00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:07,700 And and so the but the treatment, you know, is we need 1207 00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:09,600 to reduce inflammation. We need to get the blood moving 1208 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,400 in other ways, which I talked about like as far as like being 1209 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,100 in contact with the Earth and and infrared sauna and things 1210 00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:17,300 like that infrared light in general. 1211 00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,100 But also, we need to remove the things that are causing the 1212 00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:23,200 inflammation, which could be environmental toxins could be 1213 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,800 stress. Could be poor diet, those types 1214 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,900 of things and environmental toxins. 1215 00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:31,200 I think are the big ones, which I go through, like, you know 1216 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,000 what, those could be. And where to look at in your 1217 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,500 life to reduce those exposures in the book. 1218 00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:39,200 But yeah, that's that's the inflammation of the heart. 1219 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,000 Everybody's been talking about and that's been shown to occur 1220 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,500 in certain cases with both the virus and the vaccine. 1221 00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:48,400 And it's not like it's targeting the Art specifically it's 1222 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,100 causing inflammation everywhere, but it's more pronounced or more 1223 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,700 noticeable in the heart because of that compactness. 1224 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,400 Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, and it 1225 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,100 really just depends on where someone susceptible to it. 1226 01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,300 You know, like was there was their heart tissue already 1227 01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:04,400 mildly inflamed because they were on a poor diet. 1228 01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:06,300 And then that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. 1229 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:10,200 Like I don't know. But you know, any any 1230 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,500 inflammatory response to something leaves us, prone to 1231 01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:15,000 those types of things. You could have inflammation of 1232 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,500 any tissue in the body, really? And and it's just this and some 1233 01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:22,300 people like it tends to be the heart and and the heart is a 1234 01:00:22,308 --> 01:00:24,600 place where there's a lot of friction, right? 1235 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:25,800 Because the heart is Contracting. 1236 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,500 It's moving all the time. And so if you are more prone to 1237 01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,000 it there and you inflame the body and then you have this 1238 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000 friction as well. That's just going to perpetuate 1239 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,000 the inflammation. So the best insurance for 1240 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,100 anything. Anytime everyone is to minimize 1241 01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:43,900 information whenever and however, possible and improve 1242 01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,100 metabolic Health, however, possible as well, basically, 1243 01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:52,700 Yeah, and, and, and, you know, also keep your blood moving as 1244 01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:55,300 well as possible, you know, and so I talk all about that in the 1245 01:00:55,308 --> 01:00:59,200 book how how the heart is not necessary this pump. 1246 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,700 We think it is. It does some pumping but it it, 1247 01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:03,800 you know, it's not the main mover of the blood. 1248 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,500 And so there are things we need to be doing that help blood, 1249 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,400 keep moving because that's going to take a lot of pressure off 1250 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,700 the heart. Take a lot of friction off the 1251 01:01:12,707 --> 01:01:14,500 heart. So if they do get into the 1252 01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,300 inflamed State, the heart's not having to work so hard. 1253 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,700 And then therefore creating more pressure and friction. 1254 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,700 And so that's things like, I mean, I just did the infrared 1255 01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:25,800 sauna this morning because the clear benefits is so many 1256 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,600 different benefits for it are from it. 1257 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,500 But but that's one of them is that it keeps blood moving very 1258 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:31,900 effectively. So don't get stagnant. 1259 01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:36,600 Blood pulling up in areas and more prone to, you know, 1260 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,600 clotting or inflammation of things like that. 1261 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,300 I know you. Look at HRV quite heavily deep. 1262 01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:44,000 Do you put much emphasis on just simply heart rate in general? 1263 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,400 Not necessarily. No, I mean again that is 1264 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,400 something that I think that, you know, like, we're designed to 1265 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,800 adapt if your heart rate doesn't go up in certain situations 1266 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,000 that's concerning, you know, in general like heart rate. 1267 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,200 If it's if it's high when you're resting that can indicate that 1268 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,600 your heart is working too hard for whatever reason and and for 1269 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,400 me, that's because it's being forced to act more like a 1270 01:02:10,408 --> 01:02:11,700 pumpkin. It's supposed to be. 1271 01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:15,400 So it's having to work harder and faster. 1272 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,100 So we can do things to take that. 1273 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,500 Pressure off of it. But in general, like, you know, 1274 01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:24,600 what happens, like measuring your ability to adapt heart rate 1275 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,400 to go up and then come back down is way more important than just 1276 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,000 what it's just static heartbeat, you know. 1277 01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:32,300 Yeah, I think that's a way better measure. 1278 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,500 But yeah, heart rate, heart rates important and obviously, 1279 01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:38,300 like, highly trained athletes have lower heart rates because 1280 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,900 they're the, they become very efficient. 1281 01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:42,800 But I also think about what do highly trained athletes. 1282 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,100 Do they usually outside more, you know, they're usually doing 1283 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,000 Things that that helped take pressure off the heart, they're 1284 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,300 not just using their heart more and training it. 1285 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,800 They're, they're also using doing things that keep the blood 1286 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,100 moving so that the heart doesn't have to work as hard, which is 1287 01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:02,000 why it's probably lower. Yeah, so, you know, getting 1288 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,300 getting the blood flow and getting some activity and 1289 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:05,900 working out. I mean, all these things like 1290 01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:08,600 it's funny like we do all these deep Dives and in nutrition and 1291 01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:12,100 you know, heart health and lipid panels and everything and then 1292 01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:16,300 like the resounding consensus always seems this be just eat 1293 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,100 healthier. Move more and, you know, get out 1294 01:03:19,107 --> 01:03:22,500 in the sunshine, get some sleep, like all these super basic 1295 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:25,600 principles that if people just prioritize them their their 1296 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,100 ailments would likely be significantly reduced. 1297 01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,700 Yeah, exactly. And unfortunately many places in 1298 01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:35,600 our many people in modern day Society, just those things 1299 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,000 aren't prioritized because of the lifestyles that we've 1300 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,200 created for ourselves. So it takes some work to 1301 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,400 prioritize them for sure. Yeah, totally. 1302 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,900 Well, man. I am always learning something 1303 01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:45,900 like to talk. When I talk with you. 1304 01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:48,800 I'm super excited to be the Look, I will definitely link out 1305 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,000 to that your website, your social profiles. 1306 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,300 You are a wealth of knowledge on so many different levels, man. 1307 01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:56,000 That's always pushing each other podcast. 1308 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,600 If there's anything I can do for you and just let me know. 1309 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,800 Hey, man, thanks for having me. Take care, brother.