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journey and it all kind of 
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brain injury. 
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friend. 
Next thing I knew, you know, I 

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was waking up in the ICU and I 
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there. 
Discussion with the 6mm brain 

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hemorrhage inside this injury 
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investigating diet. 
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doesn't have a good grasp of 
what to do for recovery for a 

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mental injury. 
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I reduced my antidepressants by 
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of starting the ketogenic 
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clarity that I didn't that I 
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before and my energy levels went
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It was absolutely crazy. 
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better. 
I think it's been helpful for 

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our whole family. 
And we are live, John. 

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How are you, brother? 
I'm doing well. 

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I'm doing well. 
Thanks, Robert. 

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How you doing? 
I'm good man, I'm excited to be 

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chatting with you. 
So to give the listeners some 

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context, you had emailed me 
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I sent out every Sunday and you 
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distributions. 
You said that you've had some 

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TBI injuries and you were trying
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ratio, keep the ketones up. 
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daughter and you're just rocking
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And I'm like, man, this is this 
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to have on a podcast right here.
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Yeah, man, totally. 
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into it, but yeah, it started 
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trying this whole keto journey 
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or was sparked by a brain injury
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we weren't pushing it. 
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where it's just, you know, 
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anybody up or prove yourself out
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Very little recollection of 
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concussions were or brain 
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like what not my my thought was 
always like, hey, you're getting

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paid millions of dollars. 
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like play like, you know, 
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And you know, the, so I, I, 
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off of work and it was actually,
I, I remember feeling kind of 

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stoked. 
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there's no, I'm not in any 
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It's just going to be one of 
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Just recover. 
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everything I felt or like, yeah,
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concussion. 
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And it wasn't until two weeks 
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here in my garage in front of my
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like going on to meetings and 
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a little gnarlier than I 
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So me being who I am and we can 
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you know, I, I decided to just 
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through just like a lot of 
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I've been an endurance runner 
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done in the past. 100 Miller up 
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keep pushing. 
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better. 
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he see it all happened? 
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Do you even know? 
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I just remember. 
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He's more of like like the the 
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there and ride and I'm more of 
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want to go and hit the jumps and
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about to do the descend. 
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remember is ask him, do you want
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point just being like, OK, like 
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I can kind of go at my own speed
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And I went down and I didn't, he
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to the side on this, on this 
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you know, I was just taking some
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minutes and I hadn't come back. 
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of coming too. 
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going to go on without me, that 
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But we didn't, we didn't know, 
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It's like you shouldn't try and 
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situation. 
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I'm like, we should have just 
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point and airlifting me. 
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hill. 
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at the time. 
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to meet us for a Bible study 
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the ride. 
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of started hustling like right 
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Like I didn't look that beat up.
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messed up. 
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helmet I'm assuming, right? 
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Dang, and do you know if you hit
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what you hit? 
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I've seen the spot where I've 
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gutter where there's like moths 
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just go out right away. 
There's no time to react or 

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anything. 
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out and there's, there's, there 
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protect myself in the fall, like
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doctors was like, you know, like
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like that. 
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because I thought for sure like,
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anything like that. 
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it took a little bit of courage 
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of see where I'd fallen and kind
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I thought even though I had no 
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feeling a little anxious about 
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what's what's even crazy man, I,
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grace of God is just I remember 
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me who avid mountain bike rider 
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I just heard this too. 

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Another guy about the same age 
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had two kids. 
He found the same exact spawn 

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was paralyzed from the waist 
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The one. 
So do you. 

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Like what? 
What is the time block that you 

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can't recall at all? 
Like from when to when? 

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It happened like around, I'd say
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12:00 or 1:00 in the afternoon. 
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point. 
I just kind of remembered just 

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certain points. 
I remember certain people who 

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came to see me and just check in
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I wanted to go back out and ride
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back out there. 
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remember it just slowly coming 
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your brain but you had the 
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external noticeable factors are 
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Well, there was there, there was
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probably expanded a bit on that.
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my face and it, it did look like
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face and like I've been banged 
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actual damage that I had. 
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brain hemorrhage inside. 
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it was going to stop bleeding 
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everything did. 
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I think there's about 6 broken 
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there, there was swelling. 
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couple days it didn't didn't 
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the beginning of my recovery is 
like things didn't look bad on 

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of the harder injuries for that,
for that reason. 

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It's like you can't see what's 
going on and. 

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This was so it's it's actually 
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So I'm coming up on the two year
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It was like right halfway in the

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So July 1st, so that 2023. 
Yeah, that's wow. 

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Yeah, no, you know what I do And
I I at first, maybe I was a 

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little hesitant, but I 
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Like I don't try to push it, 
especially after like that whole

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incident where I went out and I 
knew wasn't one of those 

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mornings where you just want to 
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It was just a casual ride. 
And and that happened and, you 

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know, like a lot of things got 
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I was a little shaking because 
like, you know, I didn't, I 

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didn't kiss my wife on the way 
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I didn't go kiss my kids or what
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that, but it, it made me realize
like, dude, life can go for me 

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just like that. 
And so I'm a little bit more 

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calculated now with some of the 
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That said though, like I've been
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going to be, I'm not going to 
live life in fear and I don't 

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want my kids to see that either.
And so since then, I've taken my

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son out mountain biking and 
shown him like, Hey, your dad, I

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have had this, but that's not 
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You know, life is going to throw
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I had a hard recovery. 
You saw a lot of that. 

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calculated. 
We're going to approach things a

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Yeah, and that's the key, man. 
You can't live life in fear. 

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injuries with lifting, but the 
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don't even expect it. 
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what you love. 
You just got to get back on the 

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saddle, as they say and keep 
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So that's awesome that you're 
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100%, man, yeah. 
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to that accident, you started 
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improve your recovery. 
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kind of told you earlier, like 
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running, which your buddy 
Michael Mcknight's out there on 

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the Coco donut 2:50 today. 
Yeah, he's killing it. 

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Yeah, he's killing it so, but 
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having that ultra running 
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too. 
Like I, I feel like I've been 

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fortunate enough I don't have 
to, I've never had to be mindful

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of what I, I've, I, I eat, you 
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active. 
I've always, I think genetically

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eating habits or what not. 
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part of my life, but given the, 
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that, it was always carb heavy, 
you know, I was always focused 

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sugars, like I was eating 
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bears and stuff like that just 
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the accident, I kind of 
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prior to the accident, you know,
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and substances and eating what I
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care of my body, thinking like, 
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it's just energy. 
It's just to give you energy and

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get out there. 
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California. 
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months after, after the injury. 
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known for, it's kind of like 
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whatnot. 
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give us massages and whatnot. 
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injury and she, she told me 
about this doctor said this guy,

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Doctor Ayman, you got to hear 
about him and he's got a lot of 

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like good supplements and stuff 
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I was like, you know, I'm fine. 
I don't need any of this yoga 

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mysticism stuff. 
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3, still struggling. 
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like against I, I didn't really 
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time, but she's like, Hey, let's
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We need your elders to get 

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around you and just pray around 
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whatever. 
I'm getting through this, but 

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let's go. 
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Lord really touched me there, 
but it was afterwards, there's 

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one of the elders came to me and
he's like, hey, my wife went 

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through a hard time and she 
really, she took these 

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supplements from this guy, 
Doctor Amon, and it really 

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helped in her recovery. 
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of clicks like, hey, all right, 
Lord, are you trying to tell me 

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something with this Doctor Amon?
Like why is it Amen too? 

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It's like I'm gonna go check him
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like a, he's a God person or 
anything, but I just felt like 

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it, this was like just kind of 
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ended up checking him out. 
I remember being, I think it was

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maybe October 16th at, at work, 
just having a hard day in the 

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office. 
I was like, I'm just going to 

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check out his book. 
And I found his book online, 

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started reading it. 
And one of the last things he 

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said, he's like, Hey, I know a 
lot of this, these supplements 

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and stuff that you can buy, a 
lot of people can't afford them.

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He's like, but if there's one 
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change your diet. 
He's like go to a low carb, high

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fat diet. 
So I was like, I was going 

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through, through hell at this 
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to lose. 

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two weeks. 
It was like drastic change. 

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And I was like, Oh my goodness, 
I had no idea food could affect 

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you in this way. 
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kind of started my journey 
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different podcasts, listening to

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different people. 
And yeah, that was really, 

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really the start of it. 
That's awesome, man. 

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So when you were when you were 
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your work was hindered, 
everything was hindered. 

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Like what? 
What was that manifesting itself

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like? 
That was just hard to 

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concentrate, hard to focus. 
Like what? 

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What did that look like for you?
Yeah, man, that's a, that's a 

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great question. 
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was, was like my depression and 
it was just these mood swings 

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and just like some of the 
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I'd have like to be real. 
Like I'd have these thoughts of 

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like, why is my wife with me? 
Like she shouldn't be with me. 

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I can't keep up with her. 
I can't do the things that she 

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wants to do with my kids and 
what not. 

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of like I don't even want to be 

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here. 
And I have never really been 

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that type of person. 
And then, you know, I think a 

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lot of it too was just the, the 
ego and the pride that I think a

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lot of US men get with like our 
work and just the, you know, we,

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we put a lot into our work. 
And like when that's taken away 

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from you and it's like my, my 
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my mental ability to be able to 
sit and think through and try 

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and type code like that was 
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I can't even provide for my 
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Some background, I was on a 
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which took me a month to finally
tell my wife and agree with my 

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wife like hey, there is 
something wrong with me. 

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I will finally admit that I'm 
disabled but nobody can see 

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that. 
But I am disabled and that was 

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hard, hard in itself. 
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insufficient as a man, I think, 
and I think a lot of those 

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thoughts and those feelings 
crept in. 

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And also like there was a time 
to where I became really 

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convicted of because, because I 
was not really changing my life 

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up until about 3 months in, 
there was a point I got really 

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convicted. 
I felt like the Lord put a 

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conviction on my heart about how
I was taking care of my body and

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how my kids were seeing me take 
care of my, my body. 

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You know, I was still drinking, 
I was smoking, I was eating what

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I wanted. 
And I was like, I got convicted 

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and I was like, what are you 
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Like you have a family, you have
a purpose in this world, like 

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you're not doing anything to 
help yourself out in this 

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situation. 
And that was also around that 

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time of when I found the 
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And I remember, yeah, just 
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day, outgoing for when I used to
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runs. 
I'd be feeling fine physically 

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go for a run a mile or two and 
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And then that would just lead to
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after that, and then feeling 
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to do this stuff that I was 
physically capable of before. 

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And so I think just all that, 
just the physical abilities, my 

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mental abilities and just 
feeling insufficient as a man. 

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And I think those are the things
that really, really got to be in

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the end and really not really 
knowing what I could do to 

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recover. 
I think a lot of what was really

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hard or challenging is I feel 
like the medical field doesn't 

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have a good grasp of what to do 
for recovery for a mental. 

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A mental injury like I was going
to vestibular physical therapy 

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and stuff like that, which is 
definitely helpful, but there's 

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not like with they don't know 
like what to pinpoint and what 

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exercises to specifically do for
recovery. 

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And it's not to their fault. 
It's just, it's not like a, you 

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know, like a hamstring injury or
anything like that that you can 

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really target and focus and 
really work on. 

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And it's hard to see to really 
quantify like improvements and 

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stuff like that and know that 
you're doing the right stuff for

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your recovery, so. 
It's tough too with like 

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anything neurological, anything 
psychological. 

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I mean, you got Chris Palmer 
doing some pretty awesome work 

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in the ketogenic low carb 
metabolic therapies field, you 

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know, for mental health. 
But like most of the, you know, 

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general practice has all been 
just, you know, antidepressants,

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SSRIs, and you know, there's a 
lot of a lot of chemical, a lot 

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of hormonal fluctuations at 
play. 

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And the idea that you can have a
diet that can help mitigate, 

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mitigate against some of that 
stuff is like foreign to people.

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People don't think of food in in
that that terminology, but it's 

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so powerful, man. 
Like when you switched over to 

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Kitty, you said you noticed a 
difference in two weeks. 

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Like what did you notice that 
you just felt clear you had 

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something you were excited 
about. 

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You had to grasp on having some 
hope. 

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Like what was the the tangible 
feedback there? 

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Yeah, great question. 
So like one SEC. 

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Yeah. 
So like so during this time, 

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like it I mentioned like, yeah, 
it was kind of it was a low 

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point for me and I was at this 
point where I was willing to 

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give anything a try. 
And that's when I did the 

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ketogenic therapy at you 
mentioned Chris Palmer. 

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I just want to say this like 
I've I was started reading that 

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too. 
And like at the time that I went

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ketogenic, I reduced my 
antidepressants by 3/4. 

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I got off ADHD, I was classified
as having or Adderall is 

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classified as having ADHD. 
And within those two weeks of 

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starting the ketogenic therapy, 
I noticed a brain clarity that I

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didn't that I didn't recognize 
as having before. 

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And my energy levels went 
through the roof. 

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It was absolutely crazy. 
And I just overall I felt 

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better. 
And I, I, I want to be clear, 

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I'm not saying like there's not,
I think medications out there. 

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I think people should be using 
it. 

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Consult your doctor, your 
physician. 

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And, but I think a lot of the 
stuff that I was trying to treat

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and what not was clearly 
addressed with just like a lot 

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of dietary changes. 
And it's, I will say too, like 

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some of those early benefits I 
saw in the ketogenic approach, 

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like I haven't necessarily felt 
that same type of energy and 

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that mental clarity and whatnot 
that I did the first time. 

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But overall I have felt so much 
better. 

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Yeah, it's kind of crazy, man. 
Like I, I made a post the other 

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day on Instagram and like people
because I, I talk a lot about it

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from a performance standpoint. 
I like you mentioned the e-mail,

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a lot of people talk about keto 
in terms of losing weight and 

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cutting fat. 
And I try to address the other 

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side of spectrum, like building 
muscle and proving, you know, 

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recovery, reducing inflammation,
things like that. 

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And, you know, mental health, 
like one of my main reasons for 

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jumping on keto way back a 
decade ago was because I had 

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really bad OCD and, you know, 
anxiety and stuff like that. 

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And keto helped mitigate against
that. 

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But like so many people, they, 
they don't ever give it the time

443
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,080
of day because they don't have 
like a specific ailment or acute

444
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,120
pain or inflammation or, you 
know, prognosis. 

445
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,440
But like, it's almost like a 
blessing in disguise, man. 

446
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,280
Like when you have something 
that forces you to adopt A 

447
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,200
better way of eating and living 
and it happens early on in your 

448
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,440
life, like you've got that very 
telling sign pretty early on. 

449
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,200
And then you just recognize how 
much of a big, how big an impact

450
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,360
it truly makes. 
And then you just motivated to 

451
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:04,680
continue with it for the long 
haul. 

452
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,000
And a lot of people don't ever 
get that. 

453
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,200
So they just, you know, 
chronically, you know, inflamed 

454
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,200
or not even the right stuff and 
they never recognize the, the 

455
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,280
compounding negative effect that
takes on a takes takes a toll on

456
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,840
until it's too late. 
So I think, and again, it's 

457
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,720
never fun to get a a, you know, 
brain injury like this. 

458
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,480
But if you're finding out this 
early on, I mean, you're 

459
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,680
probably setting yourself up for
far better success than if you 

460
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,800
hadn't. 100% and yeah, one thing
that you, you live to is like, I

461
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,480
think a lot of the stuff that 
that we have nowadays is or 

462
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,960
like, you know, like common 
ailments and whatnot are the 

463
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,120
result of like choices that have
of like years of choices, like 

464
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,680
compounding themselves and 
getting us to this place where, 

465
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,680
you know, we have certain things
that just don't feel right. 

466
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,840
And we try to address it by 
changing a diet for a week or 

467
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,280
two. 
We don't see any success. 

468
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,680
So we're like, oh, that's not 
it. 

469
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,640
But I think like on the opposite
side of or the on that same 

470
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,520
token is like it takes a while 
to reverse some of these things 

471
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,800
and get all of our metabolic 
machinery back in place so that 

472
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,080
we do feel good. 
So I think a lot of the times 

473
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,320
like different dietary 
approaches get dismissed because

474
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,800
we don't give them time to to 
really do work. 

475
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,280
It's like, you know, it's not 
like a week of eating bad meals 

476
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,800
is going to make someone fat. 
It's or like overweight or what 

477
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,080
not. 
It's the years of doing that 

478
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,760
over and over to your body. 
And it's going to take maybe 

479
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,120
hopefully not as long, but it's 
going to take a good amount of 

480
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:37,040
time to get out of that. 
Yeah. 

481
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,440
And. 
Like a lot of people throw me 

482
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560
shade because they're like, 
yeah, but you would be able to 

483
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,120
build more muscle if you were 
eating carbs. 

484
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:45,960
You got to spike insulin or 
whatever. 

485
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,560
But it's like as a natural 
athlete especially, it's like, 

486
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,880
I'm pretty convinced that from a
health and longevity standpoint,

487
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,400
the ketogenic approach is far 
and above superior to anything 

488
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,200
else out there when you're 
playing in the long game and 

489
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,840
looking at through that lens. 
And a lot of people are just too

490
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720
short sighted to view things 
through that lens. 

491
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,760
You know, that's why people take
performance Hansing drugs, you 

492
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,720
know, to look a certain way and 
two months as opposed to make it

493
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680
into the lifestyle factor. 
But like, you know, hearing 

494
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,680
people that have diabetes or 
talking to people like yourself 

495
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,560
that have had brain injuries and
just seeing how how profound the

496
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560
difference a ketogenic diet 
makes. 

497
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,040
It's like if that's happening to
to y'all and y'all can tell the 

498
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,800
difference. 
So that acute situation, like 

499
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,360
what is that doing to a healthy 
individual that has no adverse 

500
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,680
effects compounded over a 
lifetime. 

501
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,600
Like that, to me is all that I 
need to know to know that this 

502
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,480
is the path that I'm choosing to
take and I've got no reason to 

503
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,920
deviate from it. 
Absolutely, man, absolutely. 

504
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,200
Yeah. 
It's and it's, it's hard. 

505
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,520
And I, I will say like one of 
the, for me, one of the 

506
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,440
challenges has been like having 
that support around and like 

507
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,680
finding, you know, having a 
similar mindset or approach. 

508
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,920
Like I said, I wasn't one that's
always been into like nutrition 

509
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,400
and health and stuff like that. 
And it, it's hard to to keep 

510
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,920
doing what you want to do and 
that's going to impact you 

511
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,760
positively when like we're 
bombarded with so much stuff 

512
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,360
around us, man. 
And it's like so much negative 

513
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,720
stuff. 
And it's really, it's really 

514
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,200
unfortunate. 
And we don't have to get into 

515
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,360
politics, but I feel really like
excited about kind of some of 

516
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,640
the stuff that the 
administration's bringing to the

517
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,520
forefront. 
And like at least having people 

518
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,440
think about like, hey, some of 
the stuff that we've been 

519
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,240
putting in our bodies, Like we 
got to, we got to take a second 

520
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,800
look at some of this and see 
what it's doing to to us. 

521
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:46,600
And I feel like more so more 
passionate about like having 

522
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,320
three kids. 
I feel super passionate about 

523
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,920
what's going into my kids 
bodies. 

524
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,880
And like they're at such a 
crucial stage right now in 

525
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,640
development And I can't help but
like want to just give them the 

526
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,600
best. 
And especially having a daughter

527
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,280
with type 1 diabetes and seen 
some of the stuff that's 

528
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320
recommended by the ADA and 
whatnot for a diabetic, I'm 

529
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,720
like, well, like this doesn't, 
it really just doesn't work for 

530
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,640
anybody. 
I'm just, I feel lucky, blessed 

531
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,280
enough that I was turned on to 
see my daughter's blood sugars. 

532
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,000
And like, I started wearing ACGM
shortly after the ketogenic 

533
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,320
stuff. 
And I'd have those days where I 

534
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,720
would eat a bunch of carbs and 
it's like, whoa, my blood 

535
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Sugar's actually doing the same 
thing. 

536
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,400
I just have the insulin to bring
it down. 

537
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,120
And if I keep doing that over 
and over, eventually that 

538
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,200
insulin's not going to do 
anything for me. 

539
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,880
So. 
How old are your kids? 

540
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,240
So I have 11, my son, so my 
daughter's 11, my eldest 

541
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,480
daughter's 11. 
My son is not. 

542
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,520
He'll be 9 next week. 
And then I have a six year old 

543
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,600
daughter as well and it's my 
eldest. 

544
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,720
He has type 1. 
Yeah, Eldest has that point. 

545
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
OK, Yeah. 
What about your your wife? 

546
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,880
Is she pretty much on board with
keto now because you're 

547
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,360
following? 
Are y'all eating the same thing 

548
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520
at the house or is it kind of 
like she's still eating a bunch 

549
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,320
of carbs? 
And is that kind of a tension 

550
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
point? 
Yes, no, I mean it. 

551
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,280
I think it's it's hard like when
you're it was harder in the 

552
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120
beginning because I was, I was 
being so strict with it. 

553
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,560
I got to give you a little 
insight. 

554
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,120
Like I've come to realize like 
through this whole recovery 

555
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,040
process is I'm a person who has 
two modes, I'm on or I'm off 

556
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,320
like I'd have with anything I 
do. 

557
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,320
There's no, there's no middle 
ground and like or moderation 

558
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,640
and anything I do. 
So, yeah, I think early on that 

559
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,160
was hard for her because, you 
know, she she's a awesome 

560
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,320
faithful companion and she wants
to be that the wife that's 

561
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,960
providing dinners and putting 
stuff on the table. 

562
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,400
And it's like when I would 
abstain from eating because 

563
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,280
that's getting me over my 20 
grams of carbs. 

564
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,760
I think like that was hard for 
her. 

565
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Like she wants to be the one to 
take care of her family. 

566
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,280
So, but all that said, like 
she's she's been awesome in the 

567
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,600
support and she's really done 
her best to promote like just 

568
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,680
healthy eating in our in our 
family and reducing the carbs 

569
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,440
that are in our household. 
It's hard having three kids and 

570
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,480
keeping all snacks and stuff out
of the house. 

571
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,120
That's really, really 
challenging. 

572
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,160
But that said, like it's, it's 
really, I think it's been 

573
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,360
helpful for our whole family. 
And what I've really come to 

574
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,320
notice is like my daughter and I
have really had like a really 

575
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,040
cool bond over this whole thing.
Like I've been wearing ACGM like

576
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,320
her. 
So it's like we're the ones in 

577
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,400
the house that have the CGM and 
it's like we've called ourselves

578
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,040
the LCC crew, the low carb crew 
in the house because like now, 

579
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760
like, you know, we're trying to 
keep her carbs low so we don't 

580
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080
have to give her so much 
exogenous insulin. 

581
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,120
And I'm trying to keep my carbs 
low. 

582
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,280
And so I'm trying to find like 
meals that are good for us both 

583
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
to eat that are appetizing and 
whatnot. 

584
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,880
And you've been super helpful in
that, like just turning us on a 

585
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,400
different recipes, whether it's 
a chicken Nuggets or the pork 

586
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,680
and good pizza, it's like 
they're just stuff that we find.

587
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,080
It's like, Hey, it's actually 
pretty appetizing when when you 

588
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,920
put a little bit of time into it
and effort. 

589
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,720
So. 
Yeah, I mean, there's so many 

590
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280
options out there for food and 
it's it's tough with with kids, 

591
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,960
especially like if if they've 
already kind of got their habits

592
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,800
in place, then you're trying to 
transition their diet. 

593
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,080
Like, I can't imagine what that 
be like. 

594
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
I feel fortunate because our 
son, you know, we've been keto 

595
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,080
for long before he was born. 
So he was, he was just kind of 

596
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,640
born into it. 
Like he doesn't know. 

597
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,600
He doesn't know any different, 
you know, but like, I have a lot

598
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,600
of clients that have kids that 
switched to keto later on. 

599
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,520
It's like the kids, it's tough, 
man. 

600
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Because like they, they have 
those cravings and desires for 

601
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,640
certain foods. 
So getting them to transition 

602
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,720
would be pretty brutal, I would 
imagine. 

603
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,040
But yeah, I mean, there's so 
many, so many awesome recipes. 

604
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,960
Like, I don't feel like I'm 
missing out at all by not eating

605
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,680
the carbs. 
But like you go to a, a 

606
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,760
household where this is just not
in their dialogue that I mean, 

607
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,760
they don't even know what a 
macro nutrient is. 

608
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,480
So it's like, you don't want to 
be rude, but you don't want to 

609
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440
step away from your goals and 
aspirations. 

610
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,480
You know what's best for you. 
But it's like it's challenging 

611
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,240
for sure. 
It's just like anything in life,

612
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,960
like it's all a matter of how 
much you want it. 

613
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,160
And you know, what balance do 
you want to play and how, how 

614
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,640
close do you want to toe that 
line? 

615
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,160
And it's going to look different
for everybody, man. 

616
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,720
But it's awesome that you and 
her connect on that level and 

617
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,240
just kind of be each other's 
support group. 

618
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Totally, totally. 
And yeah, we've, you know, we've

619
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
chatted about it because like, I
think one thing is like, it's 

620
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,480
kind of been told to us, like 
you don't want to talk about 

621
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,520
food too much in your house and 
you're going to create like 

622
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,280
eating disorders and stuff like 
that. 

623
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,960
But it's like, I don't try to 
like talk about food is like 

624
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
having like physical bodily 
changes. 

625
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,360
And we try to be mindful of that
because it's, that's not what 

626
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200
it's about it. 
But we try to focus on like 

627
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
healthy eating and what that 
food's going to do to your body 

628
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,480
inside and how you know how it's
going to make your brain 

629
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,520
function and stuff like that. 
But it's, yeah, it's, it's hard 

630
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,800
because I feel like there's a 
lot of stuff out there that I 

631
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,200
don't want my kids to be scared 
of foods either, you know, like,

632
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,280
I don't want them to like, feel 
like they're poisoning 

633
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,760
themselves or something like 
that. 

634
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,800
But at the same time, I want 
them to be at least aware and 

635
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,560
knowledgeable about some of the 
decisions that they make later 

636
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,600
on in life. 
And yeah, And so like I, I, I 

637
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,920
honestly feel super blessed. 
Like when I, when I look back on

638
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,320
this man, I, I wouldn't take it 
back. 

639
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,000
I wouldn't be like, yeah, if I 
would, if that injury wouldn't 

640
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,840
have happened, I would take that
back. 

641
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,760
And like, no, I've been shown so
much stuff. 

642
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,600
And if nothing else, like this 
has been awesome for me to at 

643
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,520
least like when my daughter, my 
daughter is type 1, when she's 

644
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,280
older, she at least has like 
some kind of knowledge and 

645
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,000
understanding of how to eat 
differently in this world. 

646
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880
And she's not just like, I need 
to just dose for this food that 

647
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,720
I'm going to eat or what not. 
It's like, no, you're having 

648
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,600
blood sugar issues. 
Like there's a good food out 

649
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,840
there that you could have that's
no carbs and we can get that 

650
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,080
blood sugar under control again 
without giving yourself more 

651
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,840
insulin. 
And so I feel fortunate in that 

652
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,719
in that sense that I've can be 
used in that way to maybe help 

653
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,320
show my kids just like a healthy
way of eating or at least just 

654
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,360
open their eyes to a certain 
things like that. 100%, man. 

655
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,000
And, and nobody, I mean no 
parent wants to instill fear in 

656
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,679
their kids. 
Nobody wants them to feel like 

657
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,280
they're deprived or depleted or,
or whatever the case may be. 

658
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,159
But at the same time, like a lot
of I mean, society puts this 

659
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,280
moderation pressure on people. 
Like everything's good in 

660
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,000
moderation, but it just as you 
said earlier, like you got 2 

661
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480
modes on or off. 
And I'm the same way. 

662
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,440
Like there's no, there's no 
moderating like like I'm on or 

663
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,320
off. 
I'm a switch. 

664
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,679
Like if I'm in competition prep,
it is what it is. 

665
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,440
Let's buckle up and go. 
And if I'm not, I'm not. 

666
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,440
And I feel like the society like
cast that in a negative light, 

667
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,000
but I don't want to look what 
society looks like. 

668
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,200
I don't want to act like society
acts like, I mean, this 

669
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,200
moderation, this notion towards 
moderation or balance. 

670
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,680
Like I've never really been 
drawn to that. 

671
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,760
Like I want to operate on the 
extremes and I just feel like 

672
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,280
people need to be in more 
encouraging to their kids to be 

673
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,880
OK with operating on the 
extremes. 

674
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,480
You know, I feel like that's 
what you're doing with your 

675
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,440
kids, but I'm going to do with 
mine. 

676
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,720
It's like there's no shame in 
going the extra mile and 

677
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:27,800
operating outside what normal 
general society does because and

678
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,560
then they who wants to be normal
in the 1st place? 

679
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,280
You know, be, be an outlier, be 
weird, be an extremist, you 

680
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,680
know? 
Totally, 100%, man. 

681
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,360
Yeah, it's it's cool. 
You remind me of it. 

682
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,280
There's a drawing a blank on his
name, but there's a book called 

683
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,880
The Comfort Crisis. 
Have you heard of that? 

684
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Yeah, I haven't read it. 
I've had several people 

685
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,200
recommend it. 
It's, it's, it's pretty good. 

686
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,880
I, I mean, yeah, like there's a 
lot of cool stuff in it, but it 

687
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,040
just kind of brings the light 
just the modern day comfort that

688
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,880
we live in and that we've gotten
used to. 

689
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,280
Like, you know, like we've, 
we're more accustomed to living 

690
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,840
out of comfort, pushing the 
extreme and doing things that 

691
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,320
are uncomfortable or that just 
don't feel right. 

692
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,600
And I think like, yeah, there's,
there's things that we need to 

693
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,400
consider and like be disciplined
about day in and day out because

694
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,600
it, it wasn't like this back in 
the day for our ancestors and 

695
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,360
whatnot. 
Like they didn't have all these 

696
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,560
nice to eat meals or like all 
these, I'd say this loosely, but

697
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,320
like just high energy carb 
source snacks. 

698
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Like it was very different. 
And yeah, it's a short period of

699
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,280
time that we've actually lived 
the way that we've lived. 

700
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,920
Well, you're you're an ultra 
endurance runner by trade, so I 

701
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,760
would assume that you are 
totally on board with not being 

702
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,760
comfortable at all times because
that's some pretty brutal 

703
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160
training right there, man. 
It's hard, man. 

704
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,040
Yeah, it can be hard at times. 
And yeah, it's, that's one of 

705
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,080
the things that really brought 
really made it a passion of mine

706
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,120
is like, I saw the parallels 
that you can draw in life with 

707
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,480
it. 
I mean, with anything that I 

708
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,720
think you, you kind of push the 
the human limit to, you can draw

709
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,120
parallels in life. 
But I saw like during those 

710
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,720
races, the the UPS and the downs
are guaranteed. 

711
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,280
You're going to have hard times.
You're going to have times where

712
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,800
you just feel good. 
You want to keep running. 

713
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,560
And that could all the way up 
until the end of the race. 

714
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:21,240
And that's, that's just so 
synonymous with life. 

715
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,640
It's like there's going to be 
times where it just sucks and 

716
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,360
you just want, you want to be 
done, tap out and what not. 

717
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,200
But like, along with like ultra 
running, it's got that idea of 

718
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400
if you just keep pushing, it's 
going to get better, you know, 

719
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,360
and then when it's good, you 
can, you know, like, hey, that's

720
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,560
a time for you to prepare and 
prepare yourself for those hard 

721
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,240
times. 
Because it's unfortunate when we

722
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,520
miss those opportunities to 
prepare ourselves and get ready 

723
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,560
because we know the bad times 
are going to come, the hard 

724
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,000
times are going to come. 
And if we're not ready in those 

725
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,120
times, then it's just going to 
be that much harder. 

726
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,640
And life just doesn't stop for 
anyone. 

727
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,640
And so it's. 
As grace to how much, I mean, 

728
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,080
you got to be in good physical 
shape, obviously you got to have

729
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,720
your nutrition dialed in, but 
it's crazy with running 

730
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,760
specifically or just endurance 
work in general. 

731
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,080
How much of it truly is 
psychological? 

732
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Cause like I've done, you know, 
a few 50 mile events, I've run a

733
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,040
marathon, but like nothing 
crazy. 

734
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,120
But like there are definitely 
points in there for me, not as a

735
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,920
runner where I'm like, man, this
freaking sucks. 

736
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,560
My feet hurt, I got blisters 
burst and I feel my shoes 

737
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,040
feeling full of blood. 
Like there's every reason in the

738
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,400
world to justify talking 
yourself out of continuing. 

739
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,200
But if you just keep putting 1 
foot in front of the other and 

740
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,680
at that point it's just purely 
mental. 

741
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,520
Like you just keep putting 1 
foot in front of the other, you 

742
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,680
freaking cross that finish line 
and you can look back and say I 

743
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,520
did it, you know, like that's so
synonymous with life in general,

744
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880
man. 
But like, people, like, I'll 

745
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,920
look at people on the starting 
line that I'm like, physically 

746
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,200
speaking, there's no way they're
going to cross this line. 

747
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960
That means just impossible. 
They're they're not going to be 

748
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040
able to make it. 
And then they've got enough wine

749
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,600
in the back of their head to 
keep pushing them. 

750
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,880
Yeah. 
And they're freaking. 

751
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,480
They're freaking blowing these 
physical specimens out of the 

752
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040
water because they've got enough
mental fortitude to see it 

753
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,320
through the end. 
So like, I've got utmost respect

754
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,120
for endurance athletes that are 
really tapping into that, you 

755
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,280
know, mental drive to just keep 
going, man. 

756
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,840
It's it's pretty impressive. 
Yeah, it, it is wild, man. 

757
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,440
It is. 
It's I've come to to realize 

758
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,280
like how much we limit ourselves
by what we think about ourselves

759
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:27,080
and what we can and can't do. 
I remember the, so my apex and 

760
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,160
this is like maybe just under a 
year before my accident, I 

761
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,600
finished the Big Bear 100K. 
It goes between 7:00 and 7:00 

762
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,120
and 10,000 elevation and it's 
got 18,000 feet of climbing 

763
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120
total. 
Took me 32 hours and I didn't 

764
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,200
sleep at all. 
And I, I remember prior to that 

765
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,160
race thinking like, dude, you're
going to finish that finish line

766
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,000
like crawling and you're going 
to be like, you know, just Take 

767
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,440
Me Home or take me to the 
hospital, Like I need like Ivs 

768
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,160
and stuff like that. 
But I remember finishing that, 

769
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,080
the, the raise. 
And I remember thinking in my 

770
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,920
head, like, if I needed to go 20
more miles, I could. 

771
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,440
And so it makes me think like, 
well, you know what, what is 

772
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,040
that limiting factor in my mind?
Other people have alluded to it,

773
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,560
but it's like, what's your cut 
off point? 

774
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,320
When are you going to say enough
is enough? 

775
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,840
And so I've really been inspired
by that, just being able to push

776
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,960
your body in that way. 
And I'll say that with like. 

777
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,440
Or just like so since the 
accident, I haven't really we 

778
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,680
could talk more about this, but 
I tried to like go back to like 

779
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,680
my running and it just wasn't 
working like the my heart rate 

780
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,440
would go crazy. 
I, there was a moment where I 

781
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,120
felt like I, I had to go to the 
ER three times. 

782
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,880
So I thought I was having a 
heart attack during this 

783
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,120
recovery phase and like, you 
know, moods were going all over 

784
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,520
the place. 
So I was like, all right, the 

785
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,160
running's done, done for right 
now. 

786
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080
I just need to like get out. 
I was started doing like rocking

787
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,240
and just walking with my dog 
getting out there. 

788
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,840
And then I, the more I started 
listening to people podcast and 

789
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,760
whatnot, I started seeing the 
benefit of strength training. 

790
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,760
And that's when I started like 
lifting a bit more. 

791
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,480
I was like, you know, I'm just 
going to go and I'm going to, 

792
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,280
that's a little bit easier for 
me to, to get into and maintain 

793
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,160
without like getting my heart 
rate all crazy. 

794
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:16,240
And yeah, and so I like, I 
started doing some more more 

795
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,480
lifting. 
But all that said, like this 

796
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,960
last December, I did my first, 
my first ultra back and I did it

797
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,600
on a ketogenic diet and it was, 
yeah, it was gnarly, man. 

798
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,040
I, I say that all with it was 
hard. 

799
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,560
And I, I, I see, I see the value
of carbohydrates. 

800
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,400
I'm not saying like all carbs 
are bad. 

801
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,240
Like carbs are definitely good. 
Like I did the first 30 miles, I

802
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:46,760
think I was averaging maybe 15 
grams of carbs an hour, 

803
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,240
something around that. 
And by mile 30, I just felt like

804
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:55,000
complete crap. 
And I reluctantly said give me 

805
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,880
the Coca-Cola and I the 
Coca-Cola got me to that to this

806
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,320
end. 
But but yeah, so I say all this 

807
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,680
cuz like there's like there's 
benefits in so many different 

808
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,960
things. 
And if you don't, since last 

809
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,280
December, I haven't really done 
as much running as I should. 

810
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120
I've done more of the weight 
lifting, but like I'll go out 

811
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,480
and I'll do my longer runs and 
I'll I'll get to like that mile 

812
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280
five mile 6 where like before it
was no big deal. 

813
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,040
Like that was so easy. 
But I feel like that mental 

814
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,480
creep coming in being like 
you're so tired, like you're 

815
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,600
done like I and I'm like 
believing it. 

816
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,360
And I real started to realize 
like, dude, your mind is just 

817
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,080
like a muscle. 
You don't get it in those places

818
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,080
where you're like hurting and 
you're having to push through, 

819
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,920
You're going to lose some of 
that mental fortitude. 

820
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,840
And like, I realized how how 
easy that is to lose because I 

821
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,040
was so used to being in the 
training of ultra running where 

822
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,400
I was out and doing the long 
hard runs where I had to push 

823
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,920
through mentally. 
So yeah, I, I say that because 

824
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,560
like everything in your body is 
a, is a muscle. 

825
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,520
Like we need to maintain like 
our physical muscles, we need to

826
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,920
maintain our mental muscles. 
And yeah, we just. 2 is like 

827
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,520
perspective, like the hardest 
thing you've ever done is always

828
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,840
going to be the hardest thing 
you've ever done. 

829
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,720
And as you continue to do harder
and harder things, your 

830
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,880
perspective of what is hard, you
know, adapts and changes. 

831
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,160
But like, I think a lot of 
people fail to realize that 

832
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,240
perspective is also like a 
muscle in the sense that if 

833
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,040
you're not keeping that top of 
mind and like really, you know, 

834
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,480
vivid, you totally forget what 
that limit was. 

835
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,960
Because I mean, I got to that 50
mile March every year and every 

836
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,160
year I'd do it and I completed, 
but a year passes in between me 

837
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
doing it each time. 
So like, I forget how bad it 

838
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,880
sucks. 
And I know since I've done it 

839
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520
that I'll continue to do it and 
I'll finish it no problem. 

840
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,160
But every time I'm surprised 
that man, like this freaking 

841
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,960
sucks, you know? 
But if I were to do that on a 

842
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,680
more regular basis, probably 
wouldn't be an issue when I'm 

843
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,680
lifting, you know, like I'll 
still get psyched out about 

844
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,160
doing heavy squats. 
And I do squats pretty much 

845
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,000
every week. 
But if I let two or three weeks 

846
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,760
pass between me doing a heavy 
set of barbell squats, it's like

847
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,960
that perspective gets a little 
little hazy. 

848
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,240
You know, it's like, man, what 
is going on here? 

849
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,840
I've done this a million times. 
But you got to like, keep, keep 

850
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,880
on the razor's edge. 
Keep on, you know, bringing that

851
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,480
top of mind. 
And I feel like it's really easy

852
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,960
to just do a hard thing, feel 
good about yourself, and then 

853
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,760
just go back to living normal 
life without keeping that on the

854
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,480
forefront. 
But you got to freaking keep on 

855
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,400
the forefront, man It's crazy. 
Totally, totally. 

856
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,680
I've been reminded of, I think, 
yeah, that's just like human 

857
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,240
nature for us to like forget 
stuff. 

858
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,440
But I've been reminded of like 
of women and like the childbirth

859
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,800
that they go through. 
Like that's got to be so hard, 

860
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,400
so hard. 
But how quick we are to forget 

861
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,120
about like all that pain and 
like, but they still endure and 

862
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,320
they still go through. 
And I've been super impressed 

863
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,520
with what I mean, my wife, I've 
seen like her go through some 

864
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,640
really tough stuff and not to 
mention the three children that 

865
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,680
she birthed. 
But like, it's just like, I feel

866
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,320
like it's human nature for us to
just forget how hard things are.

867
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,400
And we're if we're not at it, we
don't train it. 

868
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,200
Yeah, don't use it. 
You lose it. 

869
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,120
So. 
Yeah, no, 100%, man. 

870
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,520
That's why like I'm a big 
advocate kind of going back to 

871
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,080
we live in soft times right now.
You got to have something that 

872
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,840
you do like every single day. 
Like obviously you wouldn't want

873
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,960
to run an ultra marathon every 
single day, probably wouldn't 

874
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,600
want to do heavy squats every 
single day, but you got to do 

875
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,840
something every single day that 
at least keep keeps you honed 

876
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
in, keeps the the edge sharp, so
to speak. 

877
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,480
Like for me, that's lifting, you
know, for you might that might 

878
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,680
be running your, you know, 1015 
mile run. 

879
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,400
But it's like, man, how many 
people don't do anything that 

880
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,200
just like requires, you know, 
exerting a significant amount of

881
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,200
effort on a regular basis. 
Like that to me is just a built 

882
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,040
in. 
Like you got it. 

883
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240
It's hard to get motivated 
sometimes a lace like your shoes

884
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,240
or dust off the iron or whatever
the case may be. 

885
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,240
But like, if you don't find 
something that you chip away at 

886
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,280
in some form or fashion every 
single day, you are 1000% 

887
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,520
getting worse over time because 
like, there is no such thing as 

888
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,920
maintenance. 
You're either getting better or 

889
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,600
you're getting worse. 
And if you can't find something 

890
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,400
that you can hone in on every 
single day, then it's going to 

891
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,800
come time to pay the piper at 
some end and it's not going to 

892
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,200
be pretty. 
Yeah. 

893
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,840
Totally, man. 
I think like there's a along 

894
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,040
with what you're saying, like 
having something to do every 

895
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,720
single day. 
I think there's a lot of just 

896
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,880
like a, a lot of just mental 
gain you get from just being 

897
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,400
disciplined and doing something 
every day, 'cause I mean you can

898
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,920
relate. 
There's days that you just don't

899
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,520
feel like doing it. 
And it's like I've come to 

900
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,920
realize like especially with 
like the the ultra running 

901
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,800
stuff, like my longest run 
before the 100 Miller was I 

902
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,400
think 23 miles, not very long at
all. 

903
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,960
But it's like I've come to see 
like it, it was the day in, day 

904
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,440
out discipline that got me 
across that finish line. 

905
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,520
It wasn't the one big run, like 
I should have done a 50 mile run

906
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,160
or whatnot. 
Now it was the IT was the times 

907
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,120
that I got out there and I 
didn't want to run. 

908
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,440
I did put in the 3-4 miles. 
And it's like, yeah, it's just, 

909
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,960
it's just that that ability to 
just hunker down and do 

910
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,040
something, commit to something 
and do it when it's good. 

911
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,120
But also, I think more so do it.
Do it when you don't want to, do

912
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,440
it when it sucks. 
That's huge, man. 

913
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Like, I'm not a runner at all, 
but I committed to doing a mile 

914
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,960
a day for a year with a group of
guys. 

915
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,880
And I mean a mile a day. 
I mean, a mile is nothing, you 

916
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,200
know? 
But like every single day with 

917
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,680
that fail, that's where the 
challenge was. 

918
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,800
I mean, it'd be freaking 
snowing. 

919
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Every 3 feet of snow on the 
ground, I'm going to run a mile 

920
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,360
in snow. 
It'd be down pouring. 

921
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,400
I'm going to run a mile in snow.
It'd be late day traveling, 

922
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,960
driving all day long. 
I get home at midnight, all I 

923
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,560
want to do is go to sleep, but I
got to go run a mile every day 

924
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,520
like that is what builds 
people's mental resolve and 

925
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,480
character. 
And that's what we need more of,

926
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,080
man. 
So 100% agree. 

927
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Yeah, totally. 
Great. 

928
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,440
Well, you, you mentioned the 
e-mail too, that you were the 

929
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,880
keto, it helped with, with the, 
the injury, but you were playing

930
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,840
around with your macro 
distribution and you noticed 

931
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,280
that you're bumping your protein
up and you were seeing a 

932
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,800
reduction in ketones. 
And it's funny, man. 

933
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,920
Like this is honestly one of the
things that piqued my interest 

934
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,920
in that e-mail. 
Because like within the 

935
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,360
carnivore keto space right now, 
there's this massive push 

936
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,760
towards eating more and more 
protein. 

937
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,800
And I've said it a million 
times, I'm a huge advocate for 

938
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,400
protein. 
I'm not trying to recommend low 

939
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,920
protein by any means, but a lot 
of people think that there is 

940
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,880
no, you know, threshold, that 
there is no negative effects 

941
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,160
that come from eating too much 
protein. 

942
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,840
But in your case, you were 
noticing that exact same thing 

943
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,480
taking place, right? 
Like you would bump your protein

944
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200
too high and it would negatively
impact everything. 

945
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,760
Yeah, yeah, totally. 
I'm yeah, I'm glad you brought 

946
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,920
this this up because this was a 
big one for me. 

947
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:03,800
And I think in general, like 
I've come to see keto means so 

948
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,320
many like a few different things
in the community. 

949
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,280
I mean, you can get keto snacks 
that are not keto and I've come 

950
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,120
to kind of like for, for at 
least like in the context of my 

951
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,800
recovery, I've come to see keto 
as like a, it's a metabolic 

952
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,000
state where I was in a state of 
nutritional ketosis where my 

953
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,720
ketones were above .5 
millimoles. 

954
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,080
I know for some that's probably 
a bunch of jargon, but like 

955
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,840
that's where I noticed like a 
lot of the benefits were 

956
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:39,080
happening for me when I was in 
the definitely like above 1 

957
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,920
millimole for ketones was when I
would feel mentally the best and

958
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,000
the sharpest and like feeling 
good and I would notice 

959
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,760
fluctuations in my mood and 
stuff when my ketones would 

960
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:56,600
drop. 
And yeah, so I, I was very, the 

961
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,400
city is about checking my 
ketones every morning throughout

962
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,080
the day, making sure my blood, 
my blood sugar levels were good 

963
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,000
because I also knew if like 
those are getting too high, like

964
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,600
my ketone production goes down 
and stuff like that. 

965
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,760
And I mentioned to you like I 
started like lifting and what 

966
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
not. 
And kind of my whole goal for I 

967
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,680
just passed a year of like 
committing to getting into the 

968
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:24,640
gym was to, I wanted to put on 
like 10 lbs of of muscle and 

969
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,480
then start getting back into the
endurance stuff and kind of cut 

970
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,640
down, but see if I can maintain 
some muscle anyway through 

971
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,400
through all that. 
Like I was playing with my 

972
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,400
macros. 
I was around like anywhere from 

973
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:42,960
2 to 300 grams of fat per day. 
And then I was at like, I was 

974
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,640
keeping it like below 180 and I 
wasn't really seeing a lot of 

975
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,440
gains in like my, my weight and 
my, my muscle size, I guess. 

976
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,120
And so I was like, you know, I'm
going to bump it up. 

977
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,320
And I started bumping up the, 
the protein and I saw my 

978
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,160
minimals, my ketone minimals 
dropped to like point 1.2 and I 

979
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,240
couldn't, if I was going above 
200, I'd notice drastically my 

980
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,840
ketones would be down. 
And it wasn't until I got, I 

981
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,400
ended up realizing, I don't know
if you know who Matt Bazooki is.

982
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,960
Yeah. 
So I, I was listening to some of

983
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,040
his videos about like what he 
eats and what not, and he 

984
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,280
actually recommended like being 
around 150 grams of protein. 

985
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,840
And I noticed like that was kind
of the sweet spot for me with 

986
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,320
protein for keeping my minimals 
where I wanted them, at least in

987
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,640
that nutritional ketosis range 
of .5 and higher. 

988
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,320
So yeah, that was the that was 
the hard part. 

989
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,280
But I started playing more too 
also with like like, well, I 

990
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,120
just don't think like that's 
maybe enough protein for me. 

991
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,720
So I wanted to bump the protein 
up. 

992
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,400
And so I bumped my fat up too. 
So I was getting up to like 5000

993
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,120
calories a day while working out
and doing some little runs. 

994
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,880
And I noticed too, like when I 
increase my fat, like, and 

995
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,560
protein together, I was noticing
that I was able to keep my 

996
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,240
ketones level higher, but that 
came with a lot of like, GI 

997
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,080
issues and whatnot. 
Like I could, the fat, it was 

998
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,000
just too much fat for me. 
Or maybe I needed more 

999
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,040
adjustment. 
It's a lot of fat, man. 

1000
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,920
Yeah. 
It was like, yeah, I think like 

1001
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,400
3 to 350 grams of fat a day or 
something like that. 

1002
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,480
And it was, yeah, it was like 
maybe 200, two, 120 grams of 

1003
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,160
protein. 
And then. 

1004
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:27,600
Yeah. 
But. 

1005
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,360
Were you gaining much body 
weight when you were eating that

1006
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,440
much? 
I did, yeah, I actually did. 

1007
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,440
I noticed those. 
It was about two weeks that I 

1008
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,080
did it and I put on, I think I 
could get 2 to 3 lbs of body 

1009
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,720
weight. 
But but yeah, I've since cut 

1010
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:50,280
back down and yeah, I've, I've 
kind of settled right now on, 

1011
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,840
It's funny that we're having 
this conversation now because 

1012
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,000
when we originally set this up, 
I was real, I was very, very 

1013
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,040
strict sitting in that like 150 
to 180 grams of protein. 

1014
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,480
And like, I think it was 200 
grams of like 2 to 300 grams of 

1015
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,640
fat somewhere around there. 
And I think that's what it was. 

1016
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,680
Let me. 
But anyways, this last month I, 

1017
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,680
so I actually, what is it? 
I turned, turned 40 on April 4th

1018
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,680
and so I kind of, I, it wasn't a
celebration, but I was camping 

1019
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,280
and what not. 
And so I was like, you know 

1020
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,320
what, I'm camping. 
I'm not going to be so, so crazy

1021
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,080
with like all my macros and what
not. 

1022
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,600
And so I was, and I, I actually,
I splurged on the other end and 

1023
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,840
I went and I did the, I, I was 
hesitant, but I, I, I went and I

1024
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,440
did like maybe like 200 grams of
carbs and I felt OK. 

1025
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,320
I didn't feel so bad like the 
way I thought I would. 

1026
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,880
But that said, like I, I did 
that and I, I realize like the 

1027
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,520
carbs aren't going to so 
negatively affect me the way 

1028
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,080
they used to in those early 
stages of recovery where it's 

1029
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,000
like ketones were off, dude. 
Like totally like your mood's 

1030
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,240
going down. 
And so since then I've kind of 

1031
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,680
slowly been introducing carbs 
and I'm actually like between 

1032
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,160
like anywhere from like 30 to 70
grams of net carbs per day. 

1033
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,680
And I feel like that's maybe 
kind of like a sweet spot for 

1034
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,840
me. 
And I've kind of maybe had my 

1035
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,600
mind opened a little bit. 
Not not to say like ketogenic 

1036
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,440
doesn't work or what not, but 
I'm like, it's made me realize 

1037
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,440
like how just our body 
fluctuates and it's like you 

1038
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,120
need to find things that are 
good for you and you need to be 

1039
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,760
willing to experiment a little 
bit. 

1040
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,400
So yeah, that said, I'm I've had
a few more carbs. 

1041
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
And, and thank you, man. 
I mean, you're like, you're 

1042
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,800
deeply fat adapted this point 
and your output is through the 

1043
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,800
roof, so you're again able to 
tolerate a lot more total 

1044
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,600
carbohydrates than the average 
person for sure. 

1045
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,640
But a lot of people don't give 
it. 

1046
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,080
Like you were kind of forced to 
be pretty strict with it for a 

1047
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,960
while there because you're 
trying to keep the ketones 

1048
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,080
higher and that allowed you the 
time to actually get deeply 

1049
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,200
adapted. 
Whereas a lot of people will 

1050
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,840
switch to keto for like 2 weeks,
not feel great, and then decide 

1051
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,120
they need carbs again. 
So that to me, I mean, they're 

1052
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,040
just shooting their self in the 
foot. 

1053
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Like you got to let yourself get
adaptive, establish that 

1054
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,400
baseline, then you can 
accurately figure out what your 

1055
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,600
threshold and tolerances are. 
And then once you dial that in, 

1056
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,840
you know, rock'n'roll. 
But a lot of people failed to 

1057
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,400
ever get to that point in the 
1st place. 

1058
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,760
But yeah, I don't ever want to 
be dogmatic about nutrition, 

1059
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,920
man. 
It's like if you're if you're 

1060
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,800
operating great with 70 grams of
carbs and rock'n'roll man, who 

1061
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,720
might have stopped you. 
Yeah, totally. 

1062
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,440
And I I've come to see too, like
it's definitely the quality of 

1063
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,480
carbohydrates that you're 
putting into your body too. 

1064
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,640
I didn't have many of this last 
weekend, but I had a what was it

1065
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,080
like a Trader Joe's? 
Like I had a, a slicer 2 of like

1066
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,240
this homemade Trader Joe's 
gluten free pizza. 

1067
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,960
Didn't it did not do do me well.
I was like, OK, that was not 

1068
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,120
many carbs that I had that day, 
but I clearly noticed like your 

1069
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,000
mood went, it went South and 
like you did not feel good. 

1070
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,680
My stomach did not feel good. 
So I when I say carb, like I've 

1071
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,000
been mainly focusing on like 
berries and stuff like that. 

1072
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,320
It's not, it's not breads, it's 
not starched and stuff like 

1073
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,000
that. 
So. 

1074
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:20,440
Yeah. 
There's, there's a certain 

1075
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,360
demographic carbohydrates that 
are probably not going to serve 

1076
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,800
anybody. 
So like everybody should benefit

1077
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,480
from taking those out of the 
equation for sure. 

1078
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,640
Yeah. 
You know, grapes have been huge,

1079
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,640
man. 
Hey, I'm glad to hear that, man.

1080
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,120
Yeah, that's been such a 
lifesaver for me. 

1081
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,160
And I, yeah, I'm fully, fully 
addicted. 

1082
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,320
I'm definitely on the on mode 
with those. 

1083
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,480
I am too man, I eat one every 
day so we're on the same page 

1084
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,080
there for sure. 
How you liking the lifting? 

1085
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,600
Like having not come from 
lifting background and now 

1086
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,320
incorporate more of it? 
Like are you going to compete on

1087
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,760
any level within that sphere or 
is that mostly just a compliment

1088
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,800
to the endurance sports? 
You know, it's, it's mostly the 

1089
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,720
compliment. 
I think we're at this point, I 

1090
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,680
don't really have a desire to, 
to compete or anything like 

1091
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,880
that. 
I've been really like on this 

1092
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,680
holistic health kick, like I 
told you, I turned 40 and like I

1093
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,320
really wanting to, it's kind of 
like, I feel like from what I've

1094
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,360
read, that's when things kind of
start ticking away for like your

1095
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,200
muscle mass and stuff like that.
So I'm like, I'm going to try 

1096
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,800
and hedge my batch and like get 
some muscle on me and hopefully 

1097
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,760
have something to lose as when 
that time comes. 

1098
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,760
But but yeah. 
And I, I think also too, like 

1099
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,000
with all the, with the running 
in the past, you're prone to a 

1100
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,640
lot of injuries. 
And I think muscle mitigates a 

1101
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,920
lot of injuries if you have 
that. 

1102
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,640
And so I've always had the 
mindset of you can't be a runner

1103
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:53,000
and have muscle, but there's 
been some people that have kind 

1104
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,880
of opened my eyes to different 
things. 

1105
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,440
I, I don't know if they're 100% 
natural or not, but like some of

1106
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,080
these like high rocks 
competitors like Nick Bear and 

1107
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,240
stuff like that. 
Like I've been super impressed 

1108
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,800
by like just just the, or just 
turned on by the idea of like, 

1109
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,680
dude, you could put on muscle 
and actually run like that would

1110
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,080
be really cool. 
So. 

1111
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,000
Yeah, no, I think I mean, 
people, people want to throw 

1112
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,000
these limitations in life and 
there's certainly probably a 

1113
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,440
better way to optimize for 
certain outcomes. 

1114
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,320
But the notion that you can't do
a blend of all makes no sense. 

1115
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,920
Like I'm, you know, I know a lot
of people that are super 

1116
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,080
successful runners that lift. 
I mean, Cam Haynes does both. 

1117
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Nick, I've actually got Nick 
coming on the podcast later this

1118
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,000
year, so I'll have to pick his 
brain. 

1119
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,160
That'd be awesome. 
But yeah, I mean, like, we're 

1120
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,040
supposed to be able to run, 
we're supposed to be able to 

1121
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,200
move our body, we're supposed to
be able to do all these things. 

1122
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,040
And eating real food certainly 
helps aid in that. 

1123
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,520
But like, the notion that you 
can't pair these together makes 

1124
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,440
no sense whatsoever. 
Totally, totally. 

1125
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,760
Yeah, I just have to it. 
It's hard because like, I mean, 

1126
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,040
I, I feel super inspired by like
it's like I'm also a dad. 

1127
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,440
I'm also someone who's got a lot
of commitments with other 

1128
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,640
things. 
And I would love to commit the 

1129
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,240
time and the effort to be able 
to train like that. 

1130
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,720
And but I can definitely be 
inspired and motivated by the 

1131
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,800
people who have that opportunity
to. 

1132
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,920
So I feel like the fact that 
you're doing this stuff, I mean,

1133
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,640
regardless of what level you 
take it to from a competitive 

1134
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,080
standpoint, like just simply 
doing it at the level you are 

1135
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,160
currently, I mean, that's going 
to be like that, that's 

1136
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,440
inspiring your kids in ways that
you probably won't even realize 

1137
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,240
until after they've moved out of
the house and they're doing 

1138
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,760
their own thing and making their
own decisions. 

1139
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,680
But like seeing their dad doing 
it, you know, with discipline, 

1140
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,800
with consistent effort, like I 
think that's, that's going to be

1141
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,320
probably one of the single best 
things any parent can do to 

1142
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,600
their children. 
You know, like showcase to them,

1143
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,920
illustrate to them what hard 
work, consistent effort results 

1144
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,200
in. 
And then they'll be able to take

1145
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,920
that with them into every aspect
of their life. 

1146
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,400
Yeah, 100% man, that's been a, a
big motivation of mine. 

1147
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,960
Like especially like all these 
like runs, not a ton of runs, 

1148
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,200
but like whenever I do train for
runs, like I make sure I try to 

1149
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,120
make sure that my kids are there
at all the aid stations and what

1150
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,360
not the hard times. 
And so they can see just the the

1151
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,320
emotions that I go through, but 
also like. 

1152
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,120
I try to be, I, I let them know 
like, hey, I'm going out for a 

1153
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,240
run because I'm training for 
this or I'm doing this. 

1154
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,720
Let them know like there's a, 
there's a commitment to like 

1155
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,600
this to like a, a future goal 
that I'm trying to see come to 

1156
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,440
fruition. 
And then I want them to be a 

1157
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,560
part of that. 
And yeah, I think it's super, 

1158
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,120
super important for, to include 
our family and particularly kids

1159
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,200
in those moments. 
And hopefully they glean stuff 

1160
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,240
from it. 
And like you said, I don't think

1161
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,200
they will forget their stuff and
reflect. 

1162
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,720
On any of them, show interest in
running with you and and picking

1163
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:52,840
up the waist and stuff like 
that. 

1164
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,600
Yeah, sometimes. 
I mean, not necessarily my 

1165
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,040
daughter's if that's OK, but my 
son, he'll be out. 

1166
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,360
He he says, you know, like when 
are we going to do a race? 

1167
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,680
Or he'll come out with his 
buddies, like while I'm working 

1168
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,680
and I have a just a little 
homemade gym here and he'll be 

1169
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,000
doing pull ups and throwing the 
dumb, the kettle bells around, 

1170
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,760
stuff like that. 
So it's, yeah, it's cool. 

1171
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,720
I try not to push anything on on
to them, but I want them to 

1172
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,960
definitely be a part of my 
experience and they don't have 

1173
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,680
to do it, but be a part of it 
and I'll be a part of theirs. 

1174
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,320
No, 100% man, you got to like 
definitely, you know, be mindful

1175
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,880
of their interest and cater to 
those. 

1176
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,000
But man, I'm, I'm certainly 
hopeful that my sons will take 

1177
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,000
an interest in lifting and be my
workout partners at some point 

1178
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,120
in the future. 
So we'll see. 

1179
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,360
I don't know, they may totally 
despite me and be like, all 

1180
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,120
right, we're going to need all 
the sugar in the world never 

1181
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,800
picking up a dumb, you know, 
that'd be a mileage, but it'd be

1182
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,280
good, man. 
It'd be good. 

1183
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,280
Well, sweet John, what? 
What do you get in the pipeline,

1184
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,400
man? 
You get anything you're training

1185
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,160
for specifically. 
So yeah, I've actually been 

1186
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,160
outside a couple times this last
week and I think I have it's 

1187
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:08,600
called the Ray Miller 50 Miller.
That one's kind of it's I'm I'm 

1188
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,920
deciding whether or not I want 
to commit to it and sign up for 

1189
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,680
it. 
But that's a 50 Miller at the 

1190
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,440
end of the the end of this year.
But I've kind of been in this 

1191
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,400
mode where like I feel like I've
given my time to enough time to 

1192
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,560
put on muscle. 
And I kind of want to now that 

1193
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,600
the weather's getting nice here.
It's always nice and so Cal. 

1194
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,920
But like it's summertime and I 
want to get out and start 

1195
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,800
running and start training and 
hopefully just, yeah, maybe 

1196
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,720
maintain and just keep keep the 
muscle that I have put on and 

1197
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,800
see if I can get back to that 
endurance point. 

1198
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,640
I've always had it as just like 
looming goal, not going to make 

1199
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,520
it like my, my everything. 
But I've always said the time 

1200
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,960
that I can get back and do 100 
Miller again is that's when I'll

1201
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,040
say I'm healed or at least like 
I'm back, so. 

1202
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,960
Now you got it from here man, I 
got no doubt about it. 

1203
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,480
Totally random, but like what? 
What shoes do you run in? 

1204
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,640
I wear ultra ultra little piece.
Yeah, I've heard you talk about 

1205
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,480
them quite a bit and I totally 
recommend them. 

1206
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,760
I it hurt to get to get used to 
them. 

1207
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,480
It really, it killed me. 
Like I didn't realize like my 

1208
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,680
calf muscles and whatnot. 
But yeah, like I love them. 

1209
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,720
I also have wider feet too so 
I've always kind of gravitated 

1210
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,240
towards ultra but the wider toe 
box and but not. 

1211
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,400
Yeah, I need to get me another 
pair. 

1212
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,200
I kind of out. 
I put too many miles on the last

1213
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,520
pair and I hadn't been running 
lately, but I need to actually 

1214
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,560
get back into that. 
I need to start running 

1215
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,520
technical trails in preparation 
for elk season later this year 

1216
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,840
because I feel like that they go
hand in hand, but I've been on a

1217
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,320
strict, you know, lifting 
regiment here lately so I need 

1218
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,600
to heed my own advice here and 
just start running, throwing 

1219
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,280
that into the mix as well. 
So might have to give me a pair 

1220
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,800
of ultras and lace them up and 
get to work man. 

1221
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,040
There you go. 
When does elk season start for 

1222
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,120
you? 
Depends where I go normally, 

1223
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,840
like September, October is where
I'll be hunting, so I'm looking 

1224
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,440
forward to that. 
But again, we got another baby 

1225
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,560
coming in June too, so that kind
of dictates how much hunting 

1226
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,120
I'll do this year, depending on 
how smoothly that birth process 

1227
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,760
goes and how well Crystal's 
doing with it all. 

1228
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,120
So that'll be in the cards. 
But I don't want to be not 

1229
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,720
hunting because I'm out of 
shape, so that won't be the 

1230
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,880
limiting factor for sure. 
Yeah, OK, man, that that's 

1231
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,160
really cool. 
Good for you. 

1232
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,120
And yeah, I appreciate 
everything you do, man. 

1233
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,640
I really do. 
And yeah, you've been a huge 

1234
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,760
inspiration to me and yeah, big,
big part of this recovery 

1235
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,120
process, believe it or not. 
But yeah, I've, I've followed 

1236
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,880
you. 
I tune into social media when I 

1237
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,320
can and I'll listen to your your
podcast too. 

1238
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,840
So. 
No, I appreciate. 

1239
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,760
That. 
When you sent me that e-mail, 

1240
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,360
I'm like, shoot, I just need to 
get you on the show and we'll 

1241
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,560
just talk shop and get to know 
you because you got a cool story

1242
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,840
and you're doing cool things, 
man. 

1243
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,800
So appreciate you reaching out 
and if there's everything I can 

1244
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,960
do for you man, just don't 
hesitate to reach out and let me

1245
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,600
know. 
Definitely, man. 

1246
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,400
Well, I'm I've had it in the 
back of my mind to get out to 

1247
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,720
one of your retreats one of 
these times and see what it goes

1248
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,560
down with all the boys. 
Yeah, no, we'll do it. 

1249
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,400
We'll either you can expect a 
lot of good food, a lot of good 

1250
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,920
camaraderie. 
So yeah, man, we'll make that 

1251
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,040
happen. 
I don't know when the next one 

1252
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,440
will be, but I'll definitely be 
posting about it when it when it

1253
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,600
gets slated for sure. 
OK, awesome. 

1254
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,360
Where? 
Do people go to find out more 

1255
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,760
about you man You got a social 
profile that you link out to? 

1256
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,560
I don't man, I I actually, I 
stay pretty low key on the 

1257
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,720
social media. 
I'll I'll go on Twitter, but I 

1258
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,480
don't have followers or anything
like that. 

1259
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,360
It's been something I've kind of
for me myself, I've taken out of

1260
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,640
my life. 
I felt like it was a big 

1261
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,280
distraction for me and just took
time away from the things that I

1262
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,920
wanted to do is back to those on
off modes. 

1263
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,920
I was too on with the social 
media. 

1264
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,600
So I kind of. 
Respect that man. 

1265
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,440
Totally respect that. 
Especially when you have kids, 

1266
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,080
it's like like I'll use the, the
socials for the business, but if

1267
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,480
I'm not doing something with the
business and I'm just scrolling,

1268
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,600
I'm like, man, how can I 
possibly justify doing this when

1269
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,240
I could be spending time with my
family, you know? 

1270
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,200
Totally. 
So 100% man, will definitely 

1271
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,520
keep me posted, keep me in the 
loop. 

1272
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,080
Shoot me an e-mail when you do 
your run. 

1273
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,800
I just want to keep, keep up 
with you, man. 

1274
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,040
So keep doing what you're doing,
brother. 

1275
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,320
Right on. 
Appreciate you man God bless. 

1276
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:10,520
You, man. 
See you, John.