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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes kill Savage.com. 

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Today, I've got special guest 
and good friend. 

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Aaron Gordon on the line. 
We're going to dive into all 

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things, natural bodybuilding, 
competitive bodybuilding. 

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So he is actually the show 
sponsor for the competition that

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I'm going to be competing in 
this year. 

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And I could not be more excited.
So I wanted to bring them on the

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show. 
Talk about his show, talk about 

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natural bodybuilding. 
Talk about his progressing 

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progression as a natural body 
builder. 

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Talk about Pro card status, talk
about some goals that I have 

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with this competitive season. 
We just talked about all kinds 

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of things. 
So if you have any interest in 

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the sport of natural 
bodybuilding, at all, this show 

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definitely goes into the details
around about sport. 

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So third into the conversation. 
I've got most respect respect 

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for Aaron. 
I've got up most excitement for 

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this competitive season and his 
show specifically. 

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So, without further Ado, sit 
back relax. 

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Enjoy a conversation with Aaron 
Orton. 

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Live Aaron. 
How are you man? 

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I am outstanding. 
How are you doing? 

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I'm good brother. 
I'm good. 

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Do you remember the last that 
you've ever when we recorded the

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last podcast because I had you 
on, but it's been like two, 

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three years. 
Maybe then three years because 

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2020, you and I were both going 
to do the Washington State 

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natural. 
And we did this, I want to say, 

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Around this time frame before 
covid. 

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Hit that like it was early 
March. 

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So just over three years ago 
because we're both Prepon and 

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that got cut short, man. 
I didn't realize you'd been that

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long with that makes total 
sense. 

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That is crazy. 
And you at the time had been 

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prepping like that was like, 
your longest prep to date. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I think that one ended right 

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around the forty six week Mark 
because I started prepping kind 

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of the day after the show the 
previous year. 

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So it was going to be a 52-week 
pro. 

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Would you do it? 
It that long again or is that 

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something you would never do 
again? 

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It depends. 
I mean, I definitely do that 

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again. 
If I felt like that was optimal 

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for for me and, you know, 
balancing family, and my kids 

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were, but younger at the time I 
wanted to make sure I was ahead 

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of the curve. 
If something happened where Ida 

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prioritize them and I'd that 
diet break or such, so it was a 

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little easier all the way up 
until, you know, obviously the 

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end when you get into those 
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stress is bound to come up 
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You feel like you got me. 
Nur and preserve, more lean 

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tissue by prepping that long. 
Well, that's a good question. 

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I guess, the only thing I could 
do is compare to a more 

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aggressive prep which I did the 
year after that in 2021 which 

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actually wasn't even designed it
for me that get on stage but it 

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just kind of happened that way. 
Just the stress of, I guess the 

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covid and been running my 
business and putting on the show

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the next year and play That 
Bouncy. 

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I like there's a lot of stress 
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three pounds a week while 
training, but I was preserving 

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lean tissue and strength and 
before, you know, it Late July 

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rolled around and I was like 
nine or ten pounds out from show

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weight within I would say three 
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And I decided, you know, I guess
I'll compete. 

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So I did another six to eight 
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times. 
So both have been applicable. 

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Just kind of comes down to what 
my body wants to do. 

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Ya know, it's interesting, man. 
Yeah, I feel like well, since we

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haven't really talked since You 
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I was watching all of your 
content throughout that whole 

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thing and I felt so bad for you 
because you get a gym that's 

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pretty much like your main thing
like that's your livelihood and 

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all the gyms in your area. 
They were just I mean all the 

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gyms everywhere but it's 
specific especially in your area

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where like just then no no 
leniency at all like they were 

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pretty much just shutting your 
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Correct. 
Yeah. 

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We did everything. 
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resume some semblance of work. 
And we abide by everything we 

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couldn't, they were able to pull
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to repeat the process ever 
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Yeah. 
Well, I'm hopeful that that is 

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all behind us for the Long Haul.
We don't have to do that again. 

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That was no fun anyway. 
Yeah, I know you guys were a bit

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more fortunate than where you 
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manage, we survived. 
I always say where there's a 

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will there's a way and you know 
we're still around and I'd say 

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we're a little better for it. 
Yeah. 

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For sure man. 
How long is it? 

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Genuine Fitness training. 
Been in business. 

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Oh boy this July will be 12 
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awesome. 
And yes, Open it up. 

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Originally, with the intention 
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I was like, how is the evolution
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Oh, that's a good question. 
I actually was personal training

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as a independent contractor 
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couple guys. 
One of which I went to college 

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with the other one was that 
childhood friend? 

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And they opened up a private 
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They wanted me to work there and
I did if I worked there for just

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shy two years. 
But then, you know, if this was 

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way back in 2008 2009 and you 
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just after that was CrossFit. 
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they went and saw the CrossFit 
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And, you know, I don't know if 
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setting, the dollar signs, the 
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changed the entire practice to 
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And I was kind of, you know, a 
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amongst groups of crossfitters 
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Niche is personal training so 
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CrossFit gym and I said well I'm
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doing and built a personal 
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to keep it as a personal 
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Nice man. 
I've had several people on the 

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podcast that have built their 
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seems to be like a very mixed 
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Like some people built the gym 
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we're just excited to get out of
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people like loved every second 
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I'm assuming you're more. 
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love. 
You know what I do? 

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I love helping people. 
I love, you know, even just 

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broadcasting the information we 
have on how we consider proper 

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personal training, how it should
be, as I feel like it's a, maybe

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it's Hollywood's fault or the 
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well, personal trainers or 
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jocks, and not very 
knowledgeable. 

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But I look at more of his, a 
career path and, you know, as a 

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marine, I I think they're very 
professional career path and we 

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have an internship program. 
I am currently 12 trainers and 

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everybody is therefore a career 
path word they are they have 

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clientele their own business, 
they're running the facility and

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running at how we consider it 
should be as well. 

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I've always admired about you 
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You're very structured, very 
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along that comes from your 
military background. 

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I would just I would say so 
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I think I got yelled at too many
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Yeah it's awesome man. 
You get two kids right? 

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Yeah we have twins boy. 
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Nice and hot. 
They there now, six and a half 

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years old, six and a half. 
Is it that they taken quite a 

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bit of interest in the training 
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Yeah, kind of forced upon them. 
We my wife, she's also a 

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competitor. 
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show this year and she's 
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And that's what they grew up 
around, was attending shows, you

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know, that plates prep and 
prepare along with myself and 

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one cheering me on when I'm on 
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So it's just kind of the norm 
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Now, so my son, when we do 
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always takes his shirt off and 
jumps in poses with everybody 

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because he says he wants to jump
in and then my my daughter while

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she doesn't want to do the 
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fine with me, she's gotten 
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gymnastics and athleticism in 
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It's very cool man. 
So you do the posing clinics 

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every Saturday? 
Yes we do. 

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That's awesome. 
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Well, I had a client that was in
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I'm like, hey Ask me proposing 
help and let man, I can help you

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remotely but you're in 
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Washington, just just go to Erin
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He's the man and I prayed, I 
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He's great guy. 
Yep. 

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Oh yeah, he does one of those 
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and it was my gosh, I want to 
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last year where we are classes 
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our shows we end up with 20 or 
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And, you know, it's kind of a 
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I'm format where, you know, we 
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you're going to need to learn 
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they present very well on stage.
How do you structure like the 

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posing routines? 
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the mandatory poses for like a 
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of build up that mind-muscle 
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typically structure? 
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in natural shows me that some of
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stage for 15 minutes plus. 
Yeah, and we do ask, you know, 

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what division The Federation 
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we have everything from, you 
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and wbff OCB and are fed. 
I MB F WF there in while you 

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know, we are probably the best 
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you know, we teach everything 
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where, you know, each division 
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Federation differences such as 
bikini in, the NPC, is from that

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post and In the IDF and WNBA 
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So what I just want to make sure
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Give them their best bet, nice, 
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Are you competing this year? 
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No, I'm unsure if I were to 
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my head in the game. 
It's just like a hard Balancing 

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Act. 
You know, if I'm promoting 

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multiple shows and I've got a 
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got the gym and all that fun 
stuff, it's always like I don't 

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want to pull too. 
Let's have a tension away from 

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my competitors or my gym, or my 
family just towards myself. 

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It feels a bit selfish. 
And, you know, if my body will 

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do it without too much work and 
stubbornness then allowed to 

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happen these days. 
So, I'm just kind of going with 

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the flow. 
I have been cutting for the last

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15 weeks and dropped about 20 
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sitting, really was me to look 
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Have I made progression since 
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compete unless I'm better than 
my previous self. 

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That's kind of the name of the 
game for me is to be told me and

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right now, I think I'm a little 
better but I wouldn't really 

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know until he got, you know, 
another 15 pounds out. 

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Yeah, saw your Facebook post met
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Having just concluded your 
little mini cut. 

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Yes yes. 
And and so that's that was the 

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goal that get ready for the 
spring break vacation down, 

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California to enjoy week with 
family and relax a little. 

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So right now I've been doing 
pretty well diligent in terms of

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diet exercise, but, you know, in
our step Right? 

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Like 15 or 20,000 a day with the
Universal Studios park, but like

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my additional calories will see 
how much damage They Do. 

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By the time I get home and I can
reassess from there and you're 

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sitting like 200 pounder and 
right roughly. 

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Yeah, 201. 202. 
Last I checked. 

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When I was home. 
That's, I mean, in the past that

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would be a pretty big offseason.
Wait for me. 

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But, you know, over the years 
it's become actually a leader 

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body weight, which I think is 
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progressions and the Goal, this 
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would elicit, roughly a pound a 
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still. 
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159. 
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look noticeably better and 
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muscle A year, went towards? 
What actual muscle tissue is? 

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Yeah, I always related to like 
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Like, if I put like, four pounds
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you know, did you put on that 
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Like, there's a visual that, you
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lot of that weight is typically 
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condition. 
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That'll probably be as close as 
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waiting. 
What do you like when you're not

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allowed in like when you're at 
your offseason? 

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Wait, how do you know 
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better version of yourself than 
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Baseline higher weight. 
At a similar composition. 

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Yeah, I do get, you know, some 
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offseason both via skinfold 
calibration bus. 

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of give me a an idea of where 
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the visual cues. 
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which I feel like we're getting 
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affecting my health negatively, 
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this last offseason, November 
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And That was a little heavy for 
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dietary safer gosh, 
cost-effectiveness feeding 

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myself as a, you know, quite the
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I noticed that, you know, my 
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change with that. 
Much weight, my squad death, my 

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leg press death were affected my
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those were maybe a little less 
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my upper pressing strength, 
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Definitely dramatically improved
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So there were some pluses, 
there's some - I don't feel like

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it can retain that wait 
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I like to have phases of making 
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sensitive to calories and 
training and pulling back a 

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little bit. 
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when I started eating again, now
I feel like I'm burning more 

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more athletic. 
I feel a little lean on the 

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summertime. 
It's a little more beneficial 

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for me, but I definitely want to
Take a look at gauge progress by

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all those factors and then also 
strength. 

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So, if I'm getting stronger, 
that's a big check mark in my 

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list of progressions and 
benefits. 

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If I stay in the same strength 
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relatively I'm weaker compared 
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that's not good enough for me, 
to justify the added weight 

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gain. 
So I usually utilize that 

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principle from athletes as well 
to say. 

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Hey, are we making Progressive 
overload? 

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Are we stronger than we've been?
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we're probably moving in the 
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Yeah, that's always a safe safe 
bed for sure. 

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What was your body fat, the 220?
Do you know? 

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If I was to make an estimate, 
probably eighteen percent which 

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is pretty high for me, but at 
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seeing my dumbbell presses, my 
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presses starting they've ever 
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had to shoot for those heights. 
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What was your caloric intake it?
Then wait a little over 5,000 a 

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day, who found thousand a lot of
food, man. 

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It's it was not enjoyable. 
Yeah, there's days. 

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Where is he? 
Nine or ten meals and you know 

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even even alcohol was including 
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overindulge but beer to a week 
was definitely include that both

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for the calorie count relaxation
and the fact that, you know, the

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offseason Freedom, if you will 
will allow such. 

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Yeah. 
What are you at now at 200 

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pounds, I would assume we're 
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percent. 
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there's a lot of fluid weight 
Wait than gets reduced to it. 

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That big calorie drop. 
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over five to about 34, and then,
3200, and instead about 3200 

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since, and, and that's been 
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for me to get down here without 
any cardio. 

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That's still, you know, roughly 
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which will definitely start 
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initially. 
And then that it's become, maybe

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only a quarter pound of lost per
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So I'd have to readjust from 
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If I want to continue And then 
when you do a prep like the 

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depth of your prep, what do you 
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calorie-wise there? 
Oh man, yeah, that the 

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difficulties of that last little
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competed there's days were, you 
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2,000 calories. 
If I can, you know, try and 

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retain my strength. 
I get through the day, 

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energy-wise, and try to sleep. 
But there's other days that I've

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had to, you know, go above that 
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relax, get a little You get a 
little recovery benefit and 

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maintain. 
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consider weaker on my physique. 
So for example, my refeed days 

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are typically, unlike an upper 
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pulled a for me, that's 
beneficial because my lower body

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and pull days, seemingly 
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prep, but my upper push date 
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So I try to derive, more 
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those days. 
Nice, nice. 

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Yeah, I've been kind of playing 
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starting my prep on. 
Monday, which I'm super stoked 

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about, but I've been kind of 
wiggling my intake down 

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gradually to, pretty much just 
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so I can kind of, you know, 
flush out all that extra fluff. 

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Wait, before I actually start my
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roommate like 3,500 calories in 
an aggressive Surplus and then 

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maintenance for me is like 
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I've been kind of at 3000 for 
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just stabilize and they'll root 
Brim A little recomposition 

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phase for you. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean the best I've gone like 
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but I feel like if you do that, 
like, there's just so much like 

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excess fluid way and they're 
just so much excess that is 

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going to come off pretty 
quickly. 

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Anyways if you just simply 
return to maintenance. 

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So I'm just kind of doing that 
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of as a washout period so to 
speak. 

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Yeah. 
I-i've been utilizing that 

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thought process. 
A lot with my athletes who have 

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a longer prep as a pre-prep if 
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Can prepare yourself for a 
little knowledge, built that 

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metabolic capacity and then pull
the trigger when you're ready. 

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Yeah, for sure man. 
And I'm going to be doing your 

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show which I'm super excited. 
There's now your show, I mean 

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that was decoded told me that 
and I didn't know that, I kind 

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of caught me by surprise. 
So the the Washington State 

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natural Pro-Am is going to be 
hosted by you this year. 

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That is correct yet. 
Kevin and Linda, James, who I've

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known for about a decade. 
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them was The 14, but I knew of 
them prior to that I knew of the

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show and then I could be there a
couple times since. 

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And I've gosh, I've done 
everything for that show. 

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I've emceed, I've judged of 
expedited, I've brought teams 

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one team Awards, and that's been
the granddaddy for me, that's a 

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lot of honor to not only be 
handed the show, but to think of

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the history of that event, it's 
been going for 18 years with 

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Kevin James and his wife Linda 
and they just Just put on a 

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really heartfelt show, we have a
lot of traditions on such as the

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most inspirational Ward, which 
identifies, you know, someone 

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who maybe had that biggest 
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order to get on stage. 
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transformation contest, which is
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They have athletes who've lost 0
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Those whom they've lost 50 to 
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We recognize not only the person
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combination of like improved 
body composition. 

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In presentation physique. 
And then we also have the team 

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award and then we have the 
classic brownies that Linda had 

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making for athletes in the past.
This crazy seven-layer brownie. 

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That's every athlete was given 
at her event. 

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So we actually have kind of 
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continue that tradition as well 
and I'm trying to keep the show,

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pretty much, you know what 
people have known for 18 years 

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so you know, a lot of the same 
format, same location, the same 

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area, but But on top of that, I 
want to modernize it. 

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You know, I want to take that 
Dragon emblem that they've 

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utilized to create a new logo 
with it. 

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I have a new website I NBF 
Northwest.com showing all the 

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show information and then you 
know, just a new registration 

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style. 
Some things a little bit more 

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modern in terms of technology 
and then a new format for the 

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show, poster and flyers. 
That's kind of the graphics of 

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today. 
If you will like man, it's kind 

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of crazy like you start going 
through. 

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Some of these rosters of 
different shows and you start 

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going to the individual show 
websites and some of these 

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websites look like they were 
built in the 90s man. 

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Like some of these websites are 
so dead. 

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It's like you didn't know if the
shows in existence anymore. 

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So I like that you're kind of 
updating a lot of that 

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information. 
Yeah, I constantly kind of reach

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out to both athletes and coaches
and Those whom that are 

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participating and I want 
feedback can like a suggestion 

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box if you will because I'm not 
going to take offense at. 

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Like if someone says, hey, this 
was tedious for me, I'd like to 

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To make it less than that. 
And, you know, if they say, hey,

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this can be improved upon, I'm 
all ears. 

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I want to ensure that, you know,
athletes because I'm an athlete 

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that they're, they're taking 
care of my most memorable shows 

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aren't always the ones that I 
won, but the ones in which I 

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felt like you had a lot of 
camaraderie and family and love 

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and that's what I want to bring 
to the show. 

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The same experience I had every 
time I competed with them where,

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you know, not only am I treated 
well, but I make a lot of 

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friends. 
A lot of memories and Trying to 

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bring back all the things that 
people have always loved and 

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adored about that. 
Well, that should have been that

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show twice and it always seems 
like there's just so much 

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camaraderie amongst the 
competitors backstage, 

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everything just seems very 
positive. 

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Like I haven't ever noticed 
anything negative about that 

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that show from the get-go and I 
don't know, I've got some 

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unfinished business that show 
Lionel be one year and then Flex

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beat me in 2017 and it available
be there. 

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So that's what's really great is
I think I'm gonna both campaign.

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Well flexes Thinking about it, 
he's really like that. 

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Get back in the scene. 
Now that, you know, covid /. 

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Now that I believe he has kind 
of an Anytime Fitness, he 

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manages that its role in now. 
He was in the in the stages of 

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building. 
That one covid hit. 

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So he had to prioritize that but
he's in great shape already. 

448
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,300
He's amazing. 
Yeah, he'd always looks amazing.

449
00:23:12,308 --> 00:23:13,800
He's one of the first 
competitors. 

450
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,100
Actually, that I ever saw, who 
is natural that made me go. 

451
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,400
What the heck? 
Like his Sartorius development 

452
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,800
rectus femoris, and he's 
backstage, NPC. 

453
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,600
That being with all that hands 
guys, I just assumed he was 

454
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,200
enhanced him because he is such 
a freak, just an amazing 

455
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200
physique, amazing guy. 
So we've been communicating, I'm

456
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,700
trying to convince him to return
Lionel will be working the show.

457
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600
So you'll see him they're all. 
Either have them on my judging 

458
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,400
staff for Expediting, and a lot 
of the competitors of old I'm 

459
00:23:45,408 --> 00:23:48,200
trying to get ahold of whether 
it be Darren foot or Mica, 

460
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,600
whether it be is my custom 
paint. 

461
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,200
He's Not but, you know, you got 
job, that's doing something a 

462
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,600
little different, but, you know,
even if you just wanted to come 

463
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,200
by and say hello, I'd love to, 
you know, greet them, and see 

464
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,800
him again, myself and then 
there's like on Wolf and such, 

465
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:05,200
you know, your Old Coach. 
Yeah. 

466
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000
So II got a hold of him to say, 
Hey, you know, if you want one 

467
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,600
more go-around, you know, we're 
ready for it. 

468
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,600
We'd love to see you again. 
Even from a flap say hi, Eric a 

469
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,400
4D and his team and Idaho, 
there's a lot of just amazing 

470
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,600
athletes who've been on that 
stage who have gone on to do 

471
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,200
great things and been great. 
Rose. 

472
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,000
And now that in covid over now 
that, you know, the shows going 

473
00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:30,700
to be, you know, new changed 
modernized. 

474
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:34,900
I want them to see it and feel 
it, attend it, and kind of get 

475
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:36,700
the team back together. 
That's awesome. 

476
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:39,400
And yeah, that's one thing I've 
always admired about that show 

477
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,600
and just two competitors in 
general. 

478
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,900
Like, there's like everybody 
that's competing is freaking 

479
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,400
ruthless, man. 
Like we're all out there to like

480
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,500
win. 
Like this is going to get second

481
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:52,200
place but there's just so much 
genuine respect and appreciation

482
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,700
for They're like it's it's 
ruthless world trying to rip or 

483
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,400
tear his head off, but do so in 
a civil friendly man, like 

484
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,100
everybody wants the other person
to bring their best package, you

485
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,200
know? 
I agree completely. 

486
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,300
I I've definitely been at that 
show at a point where I'm just 

487
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:08,900
amazed. 
Luckily, I was in the audience, 

488
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:12,900
so serious, but the quality of 
competitors that if you won that

489
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,700
show, I always told people like 
you were the best. 

490
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,700
You're the, you're the big daddy
in the Northwest, the honest 

491
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,200
truth. 
Because people don't play at 

492
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,200
that event. 
Historically, you're going to 

493
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,800
see people When their Pro cards 
and then go on to do really well

494
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,500
at the World Championships, not 
just as a pro but you know, 

495
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,100
winning local process but doing 
well amongst the best in the 

496
00:25:32,108 --> 00:25:34,900
world and there's something 
about the Northwest that just 

497
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,700
brings out some unbelievable 
physiques and I could name a 

498
00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:42,000
dozen of them who've either got 
their Pro card Washington State 

499
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,500
natural or won the pro class 
that went on and took care of 

500
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:46,700
Worlds. 
Yeah. 

501
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:51,400
And like the the I and B FW + BF
Federation like that. 

502
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,600
I don't like, we're all probably
A little bit biased. 

503
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,700
But I feel like in looking at 
all the other natural 

504
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:59,600
federation's that went to me 
kind of is the Paramount. 

505
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:04,200
Yeah, it really is in regard to,
you know, International athletes

506
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,000
in the world championships. 
You're going to go against the 

507
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,800
best of the best and the most 
strict drug testing as well. 

508
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,200
So there's a lot of natural 
federation's as we know and they

509
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,900
all tend to pull them and draw 
the line differently and what 

510
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:19,800
they consider natural and teach 
their own. 

511
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,100
You know, there's definitely a 
huge gray area here. 

512
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,000
Some athletes and their 
backgrounds, but I always feel 

513
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,900
like with the IDF and W NB F. 
The honor of the best natural, 

514
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,600
the world exists there at the 
world championships. 

515
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,300
And speaking of that, we're 
really fortunate to be able to 

516
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,700
have the world championships and
Washington as well. 

517
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,900
This year only five weeks after 
the Washington State natural. 

518
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:45,500
So for those of whom that do the
Washington State natural and 

519
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,000
then they want to compete at the
world's the polygraph they do at

520
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,700
Washington, will be good to go 
for the World Championships 

521
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:55,400
because the proximity The and on
top of that, our new Pros, the 

522
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,800
ones who get their Pro card will
not have to compete again at 

523
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,900
another Pro Show to qualify for 
world so they'll be 

524
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,500
automatically qualified. 
So we have a lot of UPS here. 

525
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,200
A lot of extras that people who 
do this show are going to be 

526
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,500
able to be a front-runner right 
into the best show of all time. 

527
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:17,100
Yeah, I want to ask you about 
that so with like this is a 

528
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:18,400
super pro qualifying show, 
right? 

529
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,100
Like the washroom site natural, 
the Washington State natural is 

530
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:23,200
a super pro. 
Fire. 

531
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,700
Which means that we can announce
multiple Professionals for the 

532
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,200
amateur classes, if we have 
enough competitors for those 

533
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,300
divisions and is it, is it eight
competitors per class or five? 

534
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,700
I don't remember. 
It depends on the class. 

535
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:42,000
So if I have 8 in an open body 
building bikini figure or 

536
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,900
physique class, then we'll have 
a broker for women's body 

537
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:50,200
building and Fit Body when they 
open that's five competitors and

538
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,700
then all over 40 classes for 
those. 

539
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,100
Those divisions is also a Pro 
Qualifier. 

540
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,200
Okay? 
So for bodybuilding is long as 

541
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,000
there's eight competitors per 
class. 

542
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
Anybody that wins that class 
turns Pro card, and obviously 

543
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,800
the winner of the overall of 
that division was the program 

544
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,500
that is correct. 
Yes. 

545
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,200
So we've had years of the 
Washington State Patrol in which

546
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,400
they've actually awarded 
multiple bikini Pro cards, 

547
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,100
multiple men's physique, Pro 
cards. 

548
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:19,000
Typically we're like one shy of 
that multiple bodybuilding Pro 

549
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,300
card, but this year is looking 
to be really big so I could 

550
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,200
definitely Happen where we know,
congratulate multiple athletes 

551
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000
for that professional card and 
then we'll have to go on and 

552
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,900
obviously do the analysis to 
ensure that they are legitimate.

553
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Usually those take about a week 
or two to get back in terms of 

554
00:28:35,608 --> 00:28:39,300
results and once they are and we
can announce them officially as 

555
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,100
a wbff pro. 
Nice. 

556
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:44,600
Nice. 
I'm trying to time my prep such 

557
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,500
that I'm this is my show that 
I'm primarily peaking for but I 

558
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,700
think it would make sense to 
have a show proof before this. 

559
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,900
This just kind of like, you 
know, get my feet wet for the 

560
00:28:54,908 --> 00:28:56,900
season, so, to speak. 
What would you recommend as 

561
00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:00,200
being a good show prior to this 
show? 

562
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,000
So if you're talking about the I
and F and W ndf there's a lot of

563
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,200
East Coast shows by our 
president Nancy interests that 

564
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,600
are really renowned and those 
are happening. 

565
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,200
I know in September, we have 
both the White Plains which is 

566
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,300
New York show. 
That's Nancy. 

567
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:25,100
Show north of you know, man. 
I'll be going there to judge 

568
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,500
that show. 
Maybe bring a few athletes 

569
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,900
myself. 
And then we also have the 

570
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:35,800
Northwest Royal which will be in
Seattle or Bellevue sister city 

571
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,200
right next to it and that will 
be by John Dickerson. 

572
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,900
That's where I won. 
My Pro card, amongst a lot of my

573
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:47,400
athletes and that will be, I 
believe the third Saturday of 

574
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,100
September this year a week after
that of course is that way plane

575
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:52,700
show. 
So there's built those options. 

576
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600
Ins. 
And then, if you're getting into

577
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:58,500
really close, if you want 
back-to-back weekends, there are

578
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,700
two early. 
October shows, one is in Phoenix

579
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,800
Arizona, by Chris Thompson e is 
putting on The Phoenician, 

580
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,400
classic once again. 
It took a year off the last 

581
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400
couple of years due to covid and
restrictions, but it will be 

582
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,300
back for both a pros and 
amateurs. 

583
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:18,900
And then there's the show in San
Francisco, and that show will be

584
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,500
the battle of the bay that Opie 
a week, prior to our show to 

585
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,300
watch. 
Feet, natural, which is also a 

586
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,700
Pro-Am. 
So, that one, there's two 

587
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,600
Callie's. 
There's a New York, and there's 

588
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
a Seattle show prior to ours all
within five to six weeks. 

589
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,300
For you person, when you're 
competing in multiple shows, how

590
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:40,100
much time do you ideally like to
have between shows for myself? 

591
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,300
I've tried it all. 
I've tried, you know, 1 week, 2 

592
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:47,300
week, 3 weeks, I find that two 
weeks, seemingly is ideal for 

593
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,700
people. 
And that allows, you know, after

594
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,600
the show maybe to get a refeed 
me, a little refill, the body. 

595
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,300
Your focus back or even, you 
know, go out to eat the next 

596
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:57,800
morning, if you're really 
depleted, and then get back on 

597
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,000
the horse for another 12 and 13 
days before you fuel up. 

598
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,300
For next, go I find that that 
the back-to-back weeks. 

599
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,200
If somebody is utilizing, may be
a peak week protocol. 

600
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,700
That's a little extreme. 
It might backfire. 

601
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,700
They might be a little bit 
sensitive to the protocol 

602
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,500
because it's so close in 
proximity and they're just going

603
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,500
to have to kind of choose which 
show they want a peek for. 

604
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,700
So I like two weeks. 
Three is fine as well. 

605
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,900
I've done both and pretty 
similar responses for both of 

606
00:31:26,908 --> 00:31:29,300
those time frames. 
Yeah, infrastructure mine with 

607
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,200
two weeks. 
There may be as many as five 

608
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,600
shows. 
I do this season and there's 

609
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,700
going to be probably two for 
sure, but as many as five, some 

610
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:42,100
trying to figure out my calendar
right now, Well, I would love to

611
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,900
hear you getting on stage as 
much as you can. 

612
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,100
When you're in shape. 
I'm a I'm a big fan of doing 

613
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,900
that myself these days. 
I try to make sure that any of 

614
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:52,000
my athletes were prepping that 
they have their eyes on multiple

615
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,600
shows because a lot of times, 
especially with amateur athletes

616
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:58,400
their first go-around, they're 
kind of deer in the headlights 

617
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,500
and they're like, oh no, like 
just what had more constants or 

618
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,500
if I would have hit my poses a 
bit more abruptly, maybe they 

619
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,900
were nervous or scared, or it 
was also knew that they were 

620
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,300
Weren't quite focused enough and
then they can make those 

621
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:15,100
Corrections, the second or third
go around and make some huge 

622
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,500
improvements. 
So even for veterans, you know, 

623
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:20,500
you're in shape, it is not easy 
to get to that level of 

624
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,200
conditioning and it might as 
well show it off as much as 

625
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,700
possible. 
Before you say, you know what, 

626
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,800
I'm going to hang up the trunks 
for the season because I don't 

627
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,100
think I can stainless anymore or
I've got other priorities 100% 

628
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:39,100
man when it comes to Pro status 
within the eye and bf W MB of 

629
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:44,500
Federation, If you gain Pro card
status, how much time can elapse

630
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:48,900
between that Pro card and you 
competing again for just a 

631
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:54,100
valid. 
So in the WNBA F we want our 

632
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,100
competitors after when their Pro
card to try and compete that 

633
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:00,600
next calendar year to qualify 
that Pro card. 

634
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,900
So if you won, you know, whether
it be February, or October of, 

635
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:08,300
what's a 2023, we would want you
to compete. 

636
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,100
Sometime in 2024 Or to solidify 
that Pro card status catch. 

637
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,800
And if you don't compete in 
2024, the following year, then 

638
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,400
that get the you competing as 
amateur you would if you know 

639
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,800
there was no reasoning behind 
you not being able to do. 

640
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,900
So we do allow exceptions for 
things like medical and family 

641
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400
an emergency. 
So for my example I couldn't 

642
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,300
compete initially for two 
reasons. 

643
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,300
One I had twins directly after 
how many my Pro card and they 

644
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:39,800
were in the NICU will 
accomplish. 

645
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,400
Since my priority was obviously 
family emergency and then as 

646
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,200
soon as I'm prepping again and I
I'm abiding by the rules 

647
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,400
regulations, paying my Pro card,
dues covid head, so they allowed

648
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
the exception for me to, you 
know, compete him to that's 21. 

649
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,700
So and I did compete at the 
Washington State natural as 

650
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,100
well. 
And there was a heck of an honor

651
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,900
to go up against who I consider 
probably the best natural 

652
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,400
athlete. 
The Northwest right now, which 

653
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,400
is Eddie Saldana guy. 
He's the head of a young guy but

654
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,500
he's a future world champion in 
my pinion and to be able to, you

655
00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:14,900
know, compete against someone at
that level was quite the honor. 

656
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,500
He's just a mass monster man. 
Like his freaking legs like it's

657
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,600
just blows my mind. 
Yeah, he is amazing. 

658
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,199
He really is. 
I love seeing that plates of 

659
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,500
that caliber, come out and 
compete and represent the 

660
00:34:27,507 --> 00:34:31,000
Federation of the highest level.
And I try to utilize individuals

661
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,900
like Eddie and others, for those
of whom that don't believe, 

662
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:39,400
maybe natural bodybuilding is, 
you know, able to achieve such a

663
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,699
level Freak Show who maybe are 
drawn to the dark side of sport 

664
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:47,800
if you will do to wanting to see
a little bit more Insanity. 

665
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,100
So when I came up, there was no 
real, you know, natural 

666
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:55,900
bodybuilding online that people 
were seeing, and they just 

667
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,700
assumed. 
Well, those shows, are you know,

668
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,000
lackluster. 
The quality competitors is low. 

669
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,000
And it, I feel like it's my job 
to show people otherwise and 

670
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,300
say, Hey, you know, actually 
we're just as good. 

671
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000
So we've been trying to do that 
in Northwest here at last 10 

672
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,100
years. 
Well, the last time I attended 

673
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:15,300
the Washington State natural 
show. 

674
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,000
I was watching the pro Division 
and it was, I'm going to butcher

675
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,300
his last name, it. 
It's like Richard gazecki, or 

676
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,500
something like that. 
Yeah, from the UK. 

677
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,900
Yeah, that guy is freaking 
insane. 

678
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:26,400
Like that's something that like 
you can't. 

679
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,400
Look at that again. 
Not think that he's on stuff. 

680
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:30,700
Oh yeah. 
Well, he went on to do the World

681
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,100
Championships that year and he 
won the heavyweight class but he

682
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,900
lost the overall. 
So even him, you know, there 

683
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:39,600
were better athletes out there 
than even him naturally and I 

684
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,400
agree. 
That guy was enormous. 

685
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,200
He was about as heavy of a heavy
weight as they come and he's 

686
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,400
retired now. 
But that was his final year from

687
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,100
my understanding of trying to 
get that world championship 

688
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,100
title world's. 
I mean that's like a whole 

689
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:57,100
nother beast in its entirety. 
I mean like that is truly the 

690
00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:58,600
best of the best competing at 
that one. 

691
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:03,500
Yes it is. 
And you know this last year bada

692
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:05,000
he just took it down for a 
second year. 

693
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,600
I was there at Worlds and hit 
some amazing competition to go 

694
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,500
up against E1 up again. 
Scary animal injure, who 

695
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,900
essentially took care of 
business all over the east coast

696
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,200
and qualified for worlds, that 
way and that guy, oh my 

697
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,800
goodness. 
What a, what an animal. 

698
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:21,500
I don't know if I've ever seen, 
it looks like that. 

699
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:25,500
You can see this guy's medial 
quadricep from the posterior 

700
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:30,000
side cuz it's it's quite insane.
And, you know, him and bought a 

701
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,800
battled, my heavyweight class, 
and narrowly bought a got 

702
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,700
through Gary, and then went on 
to compete against to amazing 

703
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:42,700
athletes from other countries. 
The German champion who is 

704
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,000
unbelievable? 
That guy. 

705
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,300
Wow, he really left his Mark. 
That world's, he won the middle 

706
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,500
weights, which was a very kind 
of class, probably the most out 

707
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:54,300
of class, and he pushed bada on 
a couple of those shots. 

708
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:57,000
And then there was that 
lightweight champion from South 

709
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Korea, who was just 
structurally, phenomenal, that 

710
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,600
tiny waist, non-existent 
flaring, lats, good legs, and 

711
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:07,900
just kind of had it all no weak 
spots, so but I had to outmuscle

712
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:11,000
him. 
So if If you want to go this 

713
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,600
year, anyways listening I highly
recommend Auburn Washington will

714
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,600
be November 19th and 20th both 
2-0. 

715
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:24,200
One day for amateurs, one day 
for pros and you're going to see

716
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
that truly the best of the best 
in the world. 

717
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,600
So I can repeat that show. 
Regardless of what I place the 

718
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,400
Washington and ideally I'm 
planning on getting the pro card

719
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,100
at your show and then I can 
compete at that but if I compete

720
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:38,600
if I get my Pro card at your 
show then I have to compete 

721
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,300
against the pros at world. 
Right. 

722
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Yes, you would. 
Yeah, but you do automatically 

723
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,500
qualified to do so you wouldn't 
have to do a show in between if 

724
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,700
you didn't want to, if you want 
to, you know, go compete as a 

725
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:51,700
pro elsewhere sincere and shape 
a lot of people do, but we will 

726
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,800
give you a special invite as a 
pro to compete with the pros at 

727
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,600
World Championships. 
If you're an amateur still, 

728
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,500
essentially the amateur 
requirements are first, place is

729
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,200
automatically allowed to go 
compete and Worlds at the 

730
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,900
amateur division. 2nd and 3rd 
will be allowed depending on the

731
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,800
quantity of Editor's, let's say,
there's only three people in the

732
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,600
class and we're not going to 
give all three an invite, but if

733
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,200
there's still five, people will 
give the top three and invite to

734
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,200
world says an amateur and is 
there have to be like is that 

735
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,300
placing has to be within the 
same calendar year? 

736
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,100
Or is it just any year 
previously? 

737
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,800
Yes, it does. 
So you wouldn't be able to 

738
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,800
compete at Worlds following 
year. 

739
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,400
Those invitations for amateurs 
are for the upcoming world's, 

740
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,500
got you okay? 
It makes total sense. 

741
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,900
The cool thing about Bonnie Bill
natural bodybuilding 

742
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,500
specifically. 
Is that at these World's 

743
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,100
competition. 
I mean you're seeing an older 

744
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,600
demographic typically like it's 
kind of like an old man sport so

745
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,600
to say It is. 
And that's what I was, that is 

746
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,000
I've always been one to say, 
hey, I would rather be the 

747
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,700
oldest athlete, the gym than the
biggest because I believe that, 

748
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,200
we're kind of after this, 
fundamentally for health and 

749
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,100
wellness, longevity. 
And seeing how how old, some of 

750
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,400
our natural world champion 
Source patters are is just so 

751
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,300
in, awe, inspiring. 
We have least Alum, who has been

752
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:15,000
a three-time world champion. 
She didn't win this last 

753
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,400
November, but, you know, three 
in a row prior to that and she 

754
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,000
just turned And 60 this year is 
phenomenal. 

755
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:24,800
Isn't that unbelievable? 
Yeah, and so we also have over 

756
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,600
50 athletes who aren't even 
competing in the Masters over 40

757
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,400
at World Cinema process. 
They're competing with the open 

758
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,400
guys, because they want that 
level competition, and they 

759
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,200
deservingly should be up there. 
We had a bikini athlete, one of 

760
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,300
my athletes, 53 years old 
competing with the over 40's. 

761
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,700
There was 16 over 40's this 
year, the Masters bikini World 

762
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,800
Championships and she got right 
outside of that top five. 

763
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,400
In six or seven that I can't 
remember. 

764
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,200
Exactly. 
But longevity is kind of a name 

765
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,500
of the game and natural 
bodybuilding and you can't 

766
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:58,700
really say that about the 
enhanced side of the sport, a 

767
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:01,400
lot can go wrong there. 
And most of those athletes 

768
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,400
Prime, we're looking at the late
20s, early 30s. 

769
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:07,600
Yeah. 
And what's cool is like even 

770
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,600
like in you look at the enhanced
athletes when they stopped 

771
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,000
training with that degree of 
intensity, they go downhill real

772
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,100
quick man but like you look at 
the natural sound like the 

773
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,900
people that Are not training at 
a competitive level. 

774
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,600
Still look phenomenal. 
Because they've just built such 

775
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,900
a great foundational base 
naturally. 

776
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,900
Exactly, and that's what's so 
great is that, you know, a 

777
00:40:28,908 --> 00:40:30,600
natural athlete never has to go 
home. 

778
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,800
And I woke up and I lost 20 
pounds of lean tissue. 

779
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,500
It's going to be there 
regardless of what they're doing

780
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,100
because you know, they're not 
taking the Exotics and 

781
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,400
supplements that assist with 
that growth face. 

782
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,000
So there's some confidence there
that you know you're doing 

783
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,400
things right. 
And that it's really a 

784
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,600
foundation versus what's you 
know maybe being put on top of 

785
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,400
it. 
Temporarily? 

786
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,500
Yeah, hundred percent man. 
I've got a pretty lofty goal for

787
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,400
this competitive season. 
Man, haven't told anybody this 

788
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,900
yet. 
I feel like it's fitting to tell

789
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:01,100
you because you are going to be 
hosting the show, which is that,

790
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:05,600
my goal is to win the show. 
But my goal as a bodybuilder 

791
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,100
this competitive season is to 
Simply Be the leanest man alive 

792
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:11,800
at that point. 
I'm like, no bars. 

793
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,500
No questions asked, like 
indisputable the leanest man, 

794
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,400
alive hundred percent. 
I would love to see it. 

795
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,400
I think there's going to be a 
lot of that going on for that 

796
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,100
contest and I will tell you 
what, I'll recognize you if you 

797
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,400
you do pull that off because 
that is a heck of a Feet at this

798
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,900
event and I know you're capable 
of it, but I've seen your work 

799
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:32,000
ethic and I've seen, you know, 
your persistence and years in 

800
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,600
the game, you have the muscle 
maturity and know-how and 

801
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,000
discipline de to get there. 
So I'm rooting me on 100%. 

802
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,700
I appreciate them. 
I just realized, like, I'll 

803
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:42,600
never be the biggest guy on the 
stage, like I'm 180 pounds right

804
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,200
now. 
Walk like walking around when I 

805
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,400
compete at 160 something like 
I'm not ever going to be the 

806
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,200
biggest guy on stage, but if I 
can come in with the best 

807
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600
conditioning and they can be 
lights out in that regard. 

808
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,200
No. 
Absolutely. 

809
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,800
And how tall are you again, 
Robert. 

810
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,900
I'm like, 5. 
I say I'm 58. 57 57. 

811
00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:00,800
So I guess it's five second half
that's actually pretty big 

812
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:06,200
honestly for an athlete height. 
So I don't tell people you know 

813
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,800
that there's a certain number 
they have to reach for it 

814
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,200
because it's really dependent on
tight and sometimes structure. 

815
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000
But more often than not, you 
know, we give up about 10 pounds

816
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,800
of lean tissue per inch in the 
sportin. 

817
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,600
I've been at it for 18 years, 
I'm competing in the low, one 

818
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,600
the 80s if you've 5.3, you know,
inches on you then if not for, 

819
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,800
you know, pound for pound Bounty
your thicker dude than I that's 

820
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,100
for sure. 
I don't know, man. 

821
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,700
You're very pretty think. 
Maybe that's that shower, that 

822
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:35,600
you get like the perfect shower 
for Progress pics and that tiny 

823
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,500
man, I'm giving the shower 
credit. 

824
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,700
I give the show credit as well. 
It definitely has some amazing 

825
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:45,000
lighting, so I need to look that
way on stage, Which is far more 

826
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,200
important than some progress for
this. 100%, I'm getting stuck. 

827
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,500
Do you like I haven't? 
I feel like you and I didn't 

828
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,300
raise you competed in 2021. 
That's awesome. 

829
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:56,100
But like I feel like since you 
and I both went through all This

830
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,700
rigmarole in 2020 and like 
because you found out that your 

831
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,200
show was canceled how and and 
how much event because like mine

832
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400
got canceled a week and a half 
before it was going to compete. 

833
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,900
Oh, that's right. 
You were gonna do Rodney show, 

834
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:11,500
weren't you and for Georgia. 
And yeah, he had to cancel last 

835
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,700
minute. 
So I found out that's the 

836
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,500
Washington State natural cancel.
I think mid-march in 2020. 

837
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:23,000
And so, we were 25 weeks out 
from from the event. 

838
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,000
And I had already done a few 
warm-ups Shows prior to that and

839
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:32,200
I was definitely on my last few 
pounds of body fat was trying to

840
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,000
get off of me. 
Also trying to overcome a ha 

841
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,900
injury. 
It was minor but it was 

842
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:43,300
noticeable and it was a rough go
over by the very end there but 

843
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:46,700
about five and a half weeks 
before Kevin and Linda tried 

844
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:50,200
everything possible to allow the
show to happen and eventually it

845
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,900
just had to be removed. 
Yeah. 

846
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:55,200
So unfortunately in but I feel 
like it just builds my 

847
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,900
excitement. 
Much more for what kind of 

848
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:59,100
because we've been out of that 
mean I was doing the math. 

849
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:02,100
I haven't competed since 2017, 
man, that's a long ass time to 

850
00:44:02,107 --> 00:44:04,500
not be stepping on stage six 
years. 

851
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:06,600
That's a heck of an offseason 
but you know, he had a couple 

852
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,600
cuts in there and family so 
yeah, yeah for sure. 

853
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:13,800
How do you because a lot of 
people that have never done a 

854
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,600
bodybuilding competition, they 
don't realize that it's more. 

855
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,600
So a mental sport than a 
physical one and like, you've 

856
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,500
got a business, I've got a 
business. 

857
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,400
I've now got a ten-month-old, 
you've got two twins, you've got

858
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,200
a wife, I've got a wife. 
Got all these responsibilities 

859
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:29,800
and I was talking to my wife, 
the other day, actually, had 

860
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,800
recorded a podcast on this. 
I'm like it's easy when you're 

861
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,500
doing something that's 
incredibly hard to give yourself

862
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:39,000
permission to be an asshole 
because, you know, it's for a 

863
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,500
finite period of time. 
You're doing something that's 

864
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:44,100
incredibly hard, it's taxing, 
every fiber of your being, it's 

865
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:46,600
taxing your patients. 
So you like you give yourself 

866
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,200
permission to be an asshole. 
But my goal this year, apart 

867
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,200
from being the meanest man alive
is to simply not give myself 

868
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,600
permission to be an asshole to 
people. 

869
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,100
And if I don't give myself 
permission I probably won't That

870
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,500
that is a great goal, very 
admirable and I respect it 

871
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:04,900
because it is far more difficult
done than said, especially the 

872
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:06,800
very end there. 
Everybody gets a little 

873
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,700
irritable when they're really 
low calorically and they're 

874
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:13,900
really deprived and hungry but, 
you know, at the same time, you 

875
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,700
still got family. 
You still got business to get 

876
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,700
things to do. 
And I would say that judging by 

877
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:22,400
the athletes, I've seen the more
mature the athlete, the more 

878
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:26,200
easy that seemingly is maybe 
they're accustomed to To it may 

879
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,100
be hormonal e, they're not as 
awry or, you know, it's just a 

880
00:45:31,107 --> 00:45:33,900
difference in age and comfort 
with lower calories. 

881
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,700
But I definitely wish you luck 
in that regard and I think that 

882
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,400
your family business and friends
all benefit from such. 

883
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:42,500
Yeah, it's tough, man. 
But I feel like you're 

884
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,500
absolutely right. 
Like, the more shows you do the 

885
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,700
greater perspective, you have 
towards it all and at the end of

886
00:45:47,707 --> 00:45:49,800
the day, you got to recognize 
the fact that hey, look, the 

887
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,300
reason this is happening is 
because it's my own doing in the

888
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,500
first place. 
So nobody else deserves me. 

889
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:55,700
I mean, to be short with him, 
you know. 

890
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,000
Exactly. 
Yeah, and I have all the respect

891
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,600
for my Master's athletes, who 
kill their own businesses and 

892
00:46:02,607 --> 00:46:05,800
they got, you know, their their 
families to deal with if our 

893
00:46:05,808 --> 00:46:08,400
grandchildren and they seemingly
pulled together. 

894
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,100
I find that my younger athletes 
for my first timers or ones. 

895
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,700
Who have never had to find that 
balance, probably get a little 

896
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:18,200
bit more irritable because it's 
all new to them. 

897
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,900
And that Balancing Act is 
something they have to grow 

898
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,900
accustomed to. 
Yeah, 100%, 100%. 

899
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,700
Have you had a lot of people 
already registered for the show?

900
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,200
Yeah, we've had a few. 
We have some athletes from out 

901
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,000
of country, actually registering
competing, which is really cool.

902
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,000
That's something, I'm not 
accustomed to with that. 

903
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,700
My other event in Oregon which 
is a ing of Cecil Phillips 

904
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:40,300
classic. 
That's just an amateur event. 

905
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,700
So typically we get a lot of 
Northwest competitors but since 

906
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,100
it's just an amateur so we don't
have a lot of people flying out 

907
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,400
but this show because of its 
location how easy it is to get 

908
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,000
to the length of time. 
The honor, the amount of big 

909
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,800
names coming in, we have a lot 
of People from out of state, 

910
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,700
like yourself and out of 
country. 

911
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:01,200
Even that'll be competing this 
year. 

912
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,800
Nice man. 
Very cool. 

913
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:04,600
Well, I'm definitely going to 
sign up and register. 

914
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,800
We're going to have a booth 
there too. 

915
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,900
I believe I'm gonna bring some 
of my team. 

916
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:10,800
I think my wife, obviously, is 
Gonna Come. 

917
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,500
I'm trying to talk some family 
into coming. 

918
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:15,300
I'm gonna bring my media Gadda 
to film some of it as well, so 

919
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:16,300
it's going to be it's gonna be 
good, man. 

920
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:19,700
I'm stoked, we'd love that. 
Yeah, and we keep shouting the 

921
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:23,000
out on our Washington State, 
natural IG page. 

922
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,900
Let people know you exist and 
that you'll be there. 

923
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,300
I've seen you've been making big
moves with even people like Mark

924
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,900
Bell, oh my goodness. 
With his own key do break and, 

925
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:35,800
you know, you have definitely 
been one of those people that 

926
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,800
buy point out and say Hey you 
know where there's passion for 

927
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,400
something you do and they're 
successful follow. 

928
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,200
If you just stick to your guns. 
So I've seen you since that the 

929
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,400
beginning, it feels like with 
your business and athleticism 

930
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,900
and I just got to say, if I can 
that I'm super proud of you. 

931
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,300
You're definitely a 
representative of, you know, 

932
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,300
someone who not only has he 
Entrepreneurial Spirit, but that

933
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,800
just doesn't give up. 
I really appreciate that. 

934
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,900
Mean, that means a lot coming 
from you. 

935
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:06,800
I remember sitting on a row in 
front of you at that show 

936
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,400
watching the competitors. 
And, you know, I think that was 

937
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,100
like, after I competed the year 
prior something, and I was like,

938
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:14,600
second-guessing myself, I Turn 
to You. 

939
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,300
And I went. 
What do you think? 

940
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:16,600
You think? 
I got any future in this? 

941
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000
And you're like, man, you're 
super young. 

942
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
And if you're 23 years old, just
keep hustling. 

943
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,900
Keep your head down. 
Keep putting in the work. 

944
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,000
And so yeah, man, I appreciate 
the fact that we've known each 

945
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,800
other as long as we have, and 
you've seen that come up and 

946
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,200
you've been just such a support 
in that manner because that 

947
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,500
truly does not go. 
Unnoticed. 

948
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,900
I appreciate you back. 
And yeah, it was pretty obvious.

949
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,700
You know, you had all that 
Talent, beginning on it, that 

950
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:42,500
the one I can recall, what the 
you specifically was that you 

951
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:46,100
had that pretty dramatic weight,
fluctuation initially, that you 

952
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:49,200
were able to be at a young age, 
disciplined enough to get some 

953
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,300
extra body, fat off aggressively
and stick to your guns, you 

954
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:56,100
know, present really well, 
knocking on the door for Real 

955
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:59,300
card if and right off the bat. 
And that's not easy at that 

956
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:01,100
show. 
Like I keep saying it's, there's

957
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,500
some honor at this event if 
someone takes the title. 

958
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,400
And so, I always wanted to say, 
you know, most these athletes 

959
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,700
who are winning that title, 
they're not newbies, they're not

960
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,000
amateurs. 
These are people who have for a 

961
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,800
long period of time and, you 
know, I think you're mr. 

962
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Next, in line at this point 
100%, man. 

963
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,800
Well, I appreciate that vote of 
confidence, for sure, for 

964
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,400
anybody that wants to sign up, 
which they should, if anybody 

965
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,800
wants to go to a Tandoor to 
compete, what? 

966
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,500
Do they go to do so? 
If they go to our website, it's 

967
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:32,400
inv. 
F Northwest.com. 

968
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,100
You'll find all of the Northwest
events on that site. 

969
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,700
You just click a poster fan will
bring you to the main page. 

970
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:41,600
The registration will be at the 
top and there also is a 

971
00:49:41,607 --> 00:49:44,600
restricted register Now button 
right in the middle that will 

972
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,400
bring you to the signup sheet. 
Just fill that out, you know, 

973
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,500
agree to the terms and 
conditions with the drug 

974
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:52,100
testing. 
And once that restrictions in 

975
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,900
your in, you just need to 
register your inv of card. 

976
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,900
There's a link for that on the 
website. 

977
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,300
That way your In with the 
Federation as well. 

978
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:01,300
And then we'll see you at the 
show. 

979
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:03,600
Awesome, and well, I can't thank
you enough for taking the time 

980
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,500
and I can't wait to see in 
person again, man. 

981
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,900
It's been far too long and 
hopefully, hopefully, I'll see 

982
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:10,200
you compete here soon as well 
man. 

983
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,800
Yeah, I I'll keep you updated on
that one. 

984
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,400
I'm just trying to find that 
Balancing Act and not, you know,

985
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,700
Annoying, my family in the 
process and where do people go 

986
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:21,900
to find out? 
More about you, like your 

987
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:23,700
Instagram, your gym, all that 
good stuff. 

988
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:28,200
Yeah. 
So our Instagram is genuine, - 

989
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,500
training.com RJ Fitness 
training. 

990
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,400
And then if you go to genuine 
Fitness, training.com that's our

991
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,700
website and you can find all our
information, we do everything 

992
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,000
from in person and online 
training. 

993
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,500
We do posing classes both in 
person and now if I zoom as 

994
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:46,100
well, we cover nutrition. 
We cover exercise prescription, 

995
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,000
weakness assessment. 
We have an athletic trainer at 

996
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,300
our gym as well for 
rehabilitation needs and kind of

997
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,400
One-Stop shop when it comes to 
athletes. 

998
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,800
Get money for shows at this 
point. 

999
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,800
Awesome, man, where you been to,
Us for a long time, you're an 

1000
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,500
absolute Pro. 
You're an expert and you do it. 

1001
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:02,700
Right, man. 
So, keep fighting the good 

1002
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:04,100
fight, Aaron. 
I can't thank you enough for the

1003
00:51:04,107 --> 00:51:05,200
time. 
I can't thank you enough for the

1004
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,800
friendship. 
And like I said, I'm excited to 

1005
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,400
see it just a few months, 
brother. 

1006
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,700
I know I cannot wait. 
It's gonna be a great October, a

1007
00:51:11,707 --> 00:51:13,900
great November. 
And I keep telling people it's 

1008
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,700
gonna be the biggest natural 
bodybuilding, Northwest year 

1009
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:19,100
that we've ever seen. 
And I can't wait to see it 

1010
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,700
unfold 100%, man. 
Well, here we go.