1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,480 and today I've got special guest and good friend Colt Milton back 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,560 on the podcast and we dive into all things bodybuilding. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,800 He's been a bodybuilder, a natural bodybuilder for quite 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,960 some time himself. He's done he's done several 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,160 competitions. I think he's had 12 on the on 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,760 the recording. Here he is leaning down for a 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,640 guest posing session. He's got at a future competition 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,800 in about four months. We talked about that. 10 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,920 He's just finished doing the lion that for 60 days. 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,400 We talked about that, I've talked about some of his 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,640 training protocols and methodologies that he 13 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,960 incorporates on himself and his clients. 14 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,360 We dive into nutrition, training, lifestyle, the whole 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,440 natural competition or, or natural athlete versus enhanced 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,240 athlete, kind of what our perspective is of those two ends 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,480 of the spectrum. And we just, we just kind of 18 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,120 catch up and and chit chatting, but we haven't talked for quite 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,040 a while. He's a good friend of mine and 20 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,520 it's always a pleasure just to chat and catch up and talk 21 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,280 bodybuilding. So I've got no doubt that you 22 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,520 will take something from it without further delay. 23 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,640 Sit back, relax, enjoy the conversation with my good friend 24 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:11,520 Colt. And we are live Colt. 25 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,080 How are you, brother? Best day of my life man, how 26 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,960 about you? Oh, just fine and dandy man 27 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,160 cannot complain. How's how's the working out? 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,760 What did you train today? Trained. 29 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,360 Let's see, I'm doing low volume intent, low volume, high 30 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,240 intensity training right now I'm 130 days out from guest posing 31 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,080 at the open natural. So what's that little over four 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,920 months, right? Trained pretty much quads. 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,440 So I did 6 quad exercises and then one set for ABS, one set 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,000 for hamstrings. Called it a day. 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Six of those sets were to failure. 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,000 Nice. What about you? 37 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,560 I did. I'm still doing a full body man. 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,480 So I did a little bit of I did some bench press today, I did 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,280 some front lateral raises. I did some pull ups for back, I 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,280 did some overhead dumbbell tricep extensions, some dumbbell 41 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,520 curls with A twist at top for biceps. 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,080 And what else did I do? Had some chest flies as well. 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,639 I'm trying to target chest a little bit more, a little bit 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,840 more volume intensity. That's kind of my legging body 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,120 parts. I'm doing like two chest 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,760 exercises for every training day now. 47 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,240 Oh wow, what are your top chest exercises at the moment? 48 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,520 Man, I've really been just trying to do more, you know, 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,080 conventional bench press, I've never really been good at that 50 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,560 and I don't think that is the optimal chest movement by any 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,360 means, but I'm just trying to build up confidence and form and 52 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,120 function with that. My go to is just dumbbell 53 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,680 presses. Like I love dumbbell presses, so 54 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,280 that's probably my preferred option. 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,520 There's a gym that I go to on occasion in Little Ruggins. 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,240 They've got something called a, a master body Dyna press I think 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,640 is what it's called. Have you ever used one of those? 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,880 No. It sounds awesome though. 59 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,760 It's super slick, man. Like it's a standing plate 60 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,040 loaded press, but you're you're standing and it's like super 61 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,480 isolated. I really love that. 62 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,720 I've only been to two gyms ever that haven't. 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,680 So that's probably my preferred chest movement when I get to use 64 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,440 it, but that's pretty rare that I get to use it. 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,080 It sounds kind of like the chess machine that you and I trained 66 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,600 on at my place when you were here a couple months ago, right? 67 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,680 Or what, like four or five months ago, but our our 68 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,000 isolateral machine. But if you're standing, I guess 69 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,040 that makes a little bit different. 70 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Yeah, the thing I like about it with standing is like it's much 71 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,840 easier to properly retract the scapula and just make sure that 72 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,880 you have proper placement on the pad because you are vertical as 73 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,840 opposed to lying flat. But yeah, man, it's a pretty 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,320 unique piece for sure. Love it. 75 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,520 I chuckled earlier when you were talking about confidence because 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,080 there's definitely a couple things that I do that is more so 77 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,920 for confidence just because I don't know, it just makes me 78 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,320 feel more confident. The fact that I can deadlift 79 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,360 even though I'm not a fan of deadlifting, it makes me feel 80 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,720 more confident if I go for a long run, you know, I don't 81 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,520 know, I think that there's just like a body weight exercises. 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 I try to put those in people's plans and try and try to get 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,480 wins around there, you know, for like another non scale victory 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,320 or whatever, but. I feel like you have confidence 85 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,040 with the movements for sure. And I mean like, even if it's 86 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,800 not the most ideal muscle movement for hypertrophy or 87 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,920 strength, like if it's something that you want to be able to 88 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,959 check out the box and have confidence in, like it's totally 89 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:19,920 worthwhile throwing into the programming. 90 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,200 Yep. Yeah, there's no, there's no, 91 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,840 there's no better dopamine hit than when you're writing down 92 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,920 your log book and you're like, Oh yeah, I did five more pounds 93 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,440 than I did last week, or I did one more Rep than I did last 94 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,360 week. Or yeah, I didn't. 95 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,280 I couldn't quite get that 5th Rep like I was able to, but man, 96 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,240 I made a drop set after it because I was pissed off. 97 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,880 And so I still got my money's worth for that set. 98 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Yeah, totally. What? 99 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,240 What is your your body fat now with you guest posing? 100 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Are you trying to lean down for the guest posing? 101 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,640 Oh yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm cutting right now. 102 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,240 So I just finished The Lion Diet. 103 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,840 I did that for 60 days. And so I went 60 days, probably 104 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:57,040 the longest that I've been out that I've ever been without keto 105 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,440 bricks ever since I started eating them. 106 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,520 Nice. Yeah, so my, so my family's been 107 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,120 repping them and everything. Our, our clients are athletes, 108 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,360 everybody. But at the at the end of that is 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,760 when I reintroduce keto bricks. And so I've had one every day 110 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,880 since for the last week. Now is when I finished Danielle. 111 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,040 She's one of my clients. She's a WNBF pro. 112 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,760 She and I did the Lion Diet together. 113 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,680 So we both just finished it and she's going to be competing at 114 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,520 the Open Natural. I'm going to be Co hosting the 115 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,200 event and guest posing at it, but she's going to be on stage 116 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,000 in probably about 5 weeks. I don't know. 117 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,280 She just, she's a track coach. She and I are both track coaches 118 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,960 and she just lost her assistant track coach. 119 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,560 She he passed, he passed away actually. 120 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,880 And so anyway, she's going through a lot and has has a 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,840 tentative show for the that's, that's five weeks out. 122 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,280 We're going to really take a stab at her IFBD card before she 123 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,920 competes at worlds too. So she might see you. 124 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,400 She might see you there. Nice, so she's doing WNBF Worlds 125 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,480 next November. Yep. 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,120 Nice, man. That's awesome. 127 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Yeah, that, that competition is no freaking joke, man. 128 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,320 That was I was honored to be on the stage there, 'cause that's 129 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,160 literally the best people in the world in the sport, which is 130 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,200 just humbling. Yeah, with the strictest drug 131 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,520 testing protocol. I mean like it's, it's, it's the 132 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,880 NFL of, of natural bodybuilding is what WNBF is. 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaking of that, I, I don't know how much I should probably 134 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,400 be disclosed this early on, but I, I don't, I can't keep a 135 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,560 secret, so I'm just going to rock it. 136 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,320 But I am going to I I signed up to promote a debut and BF 137 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,760 competition next year, so I'm going to be promoting a debut 138 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,520 and BF show in Arkansas next year. 139 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,600 What? Yeah. 140 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,320 So if you want to get involved, I'll need some help for sure. 141 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,480 I've been looking at venues, but I need like, I need, you know, 142 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,000 backstage assistance, I need, you know, front house 143 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,320 assistance. I need people, I need 144 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,160 expeditors, I need MCSI, need judges, I need, I need help, 145 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:56,920 man. So if. 146 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,040 Oh hell yeah. I'll bring my, I'll bring, I'll 147 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,760 bring my bass guitar and keep everybody before and after, man, 148 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,040 and entertain before and after. I'd be, I'd be honored. 149 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,600 I'd love to be a part of it. Yeah, man. 150 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,800 Well, let let's definitely plan on making you a part of it. 151 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,760 I'm not really sure what roles I need to fill yet, but I 152 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,600 definitely need to fill roles and I'd love to. 153 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Hell yeah, man. If you want a guy standing out 154 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,480 front eating keto bricks and flexing or something, I'll do 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,320 that too. You just guest post for me too, 156 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,040 how about that? For sure man. 157 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,840 Awesome man, awesome. So so talk to me about you're 158 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,600 you're you're cutting right now for for this guest posing 159 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,400 opportunity in four months. What? 160 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,680 What's your current body fat? You know? 161 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,440 So every time I've ever tested my body fat, it's been a joke. 162 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,240 Like not even close. And so I I've actually just 163 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,960 gotten completely fed up with it. 164 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,680 And my clients do their own body fat testing and all I look for 165 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,040 is a trend, right? Yeah. 166 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,600 So obviously, like the, the judges don't care how fat you 167 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,480 are, they just care what they can see on stage. 168 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,880 And so every, so everything that I do is just visual, visual, 169 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,520 visual, visual, visual intuition, intuition, intuition. 170 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,560 I've, yeah, I've tested as low as, as, as 1.2 on the N body. 171 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,160 I kid, I kid you not. That was what that was when I 172 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,600 was the leanest in my entire life. 173 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,680 And so I just wanted to see what it said because like, obviously 174 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,200 that's a joke. I don't think I've ever been 175 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,160 close to as shredded as you were on, on this last year. 176 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,120 So you proved it, huh? You were the actually, you were 177 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,880 actually the leanest man on planet Earth. 178 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,720 I mean, there's no like definitive, you know, test for 179 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,760 that. Like it's not like something 180 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,200 that people just line up for and test. 181 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,360 But I think I definitely made an argument for that point in time. 182 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,200 I was certainly the leanest man on the planet. 183 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,440 I mean, the, the guy I was trying to beat was supposedly 184 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,440 the leanest man on the planet. You know, when he had his 185 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,039 interview and he was coming in at 4% on the DEXA and I was 186 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:42,080 pretty much registering the same thing on the DEXA. 187 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,400 My, my calipers were having me at like I think my calipers got 188 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,520 down to like 2 something or three something. 189 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,480 The N body capped out at 3% like it would never go but beneath 190 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,040 3%, the N body that I was using, I've used some N bodies where it 191 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,040 wouldn't even register me because I was so low. 192 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,800 But the N body that I was using throughout this one, it just 193 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,680 like bottomed out 3%. That was as low as it would go. 194 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,160 So that's what I was consistently coming in at. 195 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,000 I am not that right now that I'm probably like 1516% body fat at 196 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,080 the moment, which is typically where I kind of hang out in the 197 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,360 building phase. OK, I think that's probably 198 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,680 about where I'm at too. I just sent you Adm right now. 199 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:22,720 I'm not sure if you can look at that while we're talking on 200 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Instagram. Yep. 201 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,160 But that's where that's where my that's where my body fats is. 202 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,520 So I don't know. I think I'm probably about 12 or 203 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,480 13. Yeah, I feel like. 204 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,120 I got, I got, I got visible ABS in the right lighting. 205 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,720 Yeah, it's not coming through yet. 206 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,880 Here, let me look in the right lighting. 207 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,080 OK, here we go. Yeah, I see it now. 208 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,480 Now you're pretty lean, man, for sure. 209 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,480 Now you you've got definite ABS. You get some quad separation 210 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,880 still, you're probably leaning than me right now. 211 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,280 I've got, I think I've got a little more body fat on you. 212 00:09:59,280 --> 00:09:59,640 What? What? 213 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:00,840 What's your calories at right now? 214 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,240 Do you know? So that's a, that's that's the C 215 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,200 word. Sorry, I took it. 216 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,200 I took it out of my plans. We don't talk about like, I 217 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,880 literally don't have a clue. I can tell you what macros are. 218 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,280 I can tell you what anybody's macros are. 219 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,480 Yeah. What's your macros? 220 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,720 Macros are 195 pro and 2:30 fat right now. 221 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Been like clockwork every day. 235 fan. 222 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,720 Yeah. Oh, this is what I wanted to run 223 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,000 2230 fat. Yeah, I wanted to run something 224 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,680 by you actually. And so I've been, I hit a weight 225 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,960 loss plat, I hit a weight loss plateau because I've been 226 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,560 tracking my, I've, I've been tracking my macros and staying 227 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,920 pretty consistent with them every day through the Lion Diet. 228 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,400 So the only thing that's changed since the Lion diet is my macros 229 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,040 actually stayed the same because I wanted to see exactly how keto 230 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,920 effects would be affecting my body. 231 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,600 So I put, so I didn't change anything else in my diet. 232 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,600 The only thing that I put back in has been keto bricks. 233 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,920 And I've, and I went from one meal a day to two meals a day 234 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,720 because one meal a day on the Lion diet. 235 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,520 It's like freaking awesome. Like I just, I don't know if I 236 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,920 ever eat 2 meals in a day. It's just kind of more annoying 237 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,600 and I lose, I just lose like that mental clarity that I kind 238 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,160 of like enjoy when I'm on the lion diet, but but have by 239 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,960 having a keto break earlier in the day. 240 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,320 It's perfect macros, especially for PM workouts. 241 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,680 Right now. It's just working better for my 242 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,480 schedule. And so then I can, you know, go 243 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:22,840 go like do my evening stuff in the town in, in Billings where 244 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,520 the gym is AT and then have my have my bigger meal later at 245 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,820 night. But having a keto brick pre 246 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:32,360 workout is perfect 'cause it's the 30 grams of protein that 247 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,840 doesn't spike your insulin too much, but it still stimulates 248 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,120 muscle protein synthesis, a little bit of carbs, but not too 249 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,920 much. And so I think that helps me 250 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,240 fill out a little bit. The sodium in it great. 251 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,280 That helps me fill out for sure. And then the fat. 252 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,600 So I've been loving having it earlier in the day before my 253 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,000 workouts. But I think the reason that my 254 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,920 weight plateaued was because I was on one meal a day for so 255 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,800 long. I don't know if you've ever seen 256 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,920 that or experienced that, but since I switched my macro 257 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,880 distribution throughout the day more, I believe that this is bro 258 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,800 science, but I believe that my metabolism is now higher because 259 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,200 it's being increased at multiple times throughout the day. 260 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,720 I'm not sure if you had any thoughts on that. 261 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,840 And this so your weight has dropped. 262 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,600 That's the only change since incorporating the increased meal 263 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,760 frequency. Yep, I've gone down. 264 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,160 I've gone down steadily from two O 7 to two O 3 now, and this has 265 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,080 been two weeks since the change. And what time are you normally 266 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,400 weighing in first thing in the morning? 267 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,360 First thing in the morning fasted right after taking sorry 268 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,720 if this is TMI, but we're we're we we have these conversations 269 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,480 every day with our clients right but right after right after 270 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,680 taking a dump so yeah yeah I mean it's. 271 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:39,040 Possible too, that, I mean, when you're doing the OMAD, if you're 272 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,000 doing that later in the day, 'cause you were doing the OMAD 273 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,120 in the evening, right? Yep. 274 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,680 Yeah. So it's possible that you're 275 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,640 having a lower weight simply because you're eating a good 276 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,480 portion of your meal, your calories earlier in the day. 277 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:55,160 So you have less weight sitting in your stomach at the end of 278 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,840 the day with that final meal to be then weighed in the following 279 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,840 morning. So that's, I mean, a possible 280 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,160 reason for that. But from a metabolic standpoint, 281 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,080 yeah, there there could be reason to that as well because 282 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,400 you are increasing muscle protein synthesis every time you 283 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,400 train and every time you consume amphiprotein and leucine 284 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,960 content. So if you're having one other 285 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 feeding session, that's not to say that, you know, the more 286 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,160 meals the merrier because like that's where the whole dogma of, 287 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,360 you know, eat seven small meals a day to increase metabolism. 288 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Like don't really put much stock in that. 289 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,680 But you know, having two meals instead of three or instead of 290 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,560 one rather, I think is, is more beneficial from a muscle protein 291 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,480 synthesis standpoint because if you're doing that and you're 292 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,880 training, then you're spiking muscle protein synthesis three 293 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,280 times a day minimum. You know, when you train, you're 294 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,400 spiking it and then with each meal with that ample protein and 295 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,520 leucine content. So you should be checking all 296 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,360 the boxes there. So yeah, I think you're rock 297 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,840 solid, man. Good stuff. 298 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Rock solid. But yeah, I mean, totally get 299 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,000 not, not looking at it from the terms of calories, but at those 300 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,320 macros, you're at about 2850 calories. 301 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Are you hungry at that, or are you totally satiated? 302 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,720 Yeah, I'm never hungry. Never hungry. 303 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,320 I am. I am putting down an obscene 304 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,320 amount of calories right now man. 305 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,600 I'm I'm consuming like 4000 to 6000 pretty much consistently. 306 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,680 Man, that's see, that's, that's, that's great. 307 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,480 And that's why that's why I stopped tracking calories 308 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,160 because I'm like, this is crazy. This makes no sense. 309 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,040 As soon as I start eating carbs like I can I I can't get away 310 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,160 with half that amount of calories. 311 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Yeah. No, that, that is for sure. 312 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,000 I mean. I think once you get, once you 313 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,280 get fat adapted, it's just when you see it's like your, your, 314 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,280 your metabolic rate increases 30% once you get into ketosis 315 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,360 and there's just, there's so many things that change in your 316 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,680 endocrine system that it's. Yeah, it is. 317 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,960 It is tripping, man, because I'm like, if all else is equal and I 318 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,320 consume that same intake in carbohydrates, I put on 319 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,920 significantly more body fat. Like I'm definitely holding body 320 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,520 fat now. Like I don't like how much body 321 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,000 fat I am now because I like how I look when I'm leaner. 322 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,960 But I realized that what I'm at now is a healthy, reasonable 323 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,320 rate of body fat. But yeah, especially, especially 324 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,280 for how long you were your, your testosterone was that low. 325 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,080 Oh yeah for sure, and that's been doubling every single time 326 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,800 I've tested. So my testosterone was literally 327 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,480 doubled every single time I've tested post prep so that's been 328 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,960 good. But this same amount of intake 329 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,080 I. Bet Crystal's happy about that 330 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,040 too. Yeah, yeah. 331 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Now if I can just be less busy, you know, it's like you guys 332 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,920 love that stuff from the world, but if you don't have the time, 333 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,280 what difference does it make? But yeah, man, like this same 334 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,720 intake with carbohydrates, like I was putting on much more body 335 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,680 fat, which totally kind of flies in the face of, you know, it 336 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,000 just being a simple calories and calories that equation, all else 337 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,440 equal, because, you know, the makeup of those macros is 338 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,800 profoundly impactful. Yeah. 339 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,280 But 100% So what else is new in the world, man, You you've got 340 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,520 the guest posing in a few months, you're kind of leaning 341 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,720 down for that. You just finished in the line 342 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,000 that for you said 90 days or 60 days. 343 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,920 I did it for 60 days. The first time I did it was 45 344 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,200 days and then I was going to do it for 45 days again. 345 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,800 Danielle wanted to go a little bit longer and so I was like, 346 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,160 OK, that's I don't know. Is it this is, it's, it's kind 347 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,680 of like the the only diet that I've ever done where at the end 348 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,280 of it, I'm not like thrilled to get off of it. 349 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,400 It's like, oh, what can I eat? I'm like, you know, no, no, I 350 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,920 mean like I've, you know, made, made so much progress with my 351 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,040 sleep quality and I'm lowering my inflammation and kind of all 352 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,520 the benefits that I was looking for it. 353 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,960 And so I just don't get too excited about, you know. 354 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,480 And when you do it, you do it to the extent of like literally 355 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,880 nothing else but beef, water and salt, right? 356 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,080 Yep. No artificial sweeteners, no 357 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,320 caffeine, absolutely nothing. No, no butter, no pepper, no 358 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,360 nothing but. Yeah, so when I so when I cut 359 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,680 out butter, the only thing that I noticed was my skin quality 360 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,760 improved. I used to have like some, not a 361 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,480 whole lot of zits, but a couple really big, really annoying zits 362 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,240 on my forehead actually. And here again, macros stayed 363 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,520 the same. So I know that it's not the 364 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,480 amount of fat that I was putting away that was causing it. 365 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,440 There's just something in butter. 366 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,240 But other than that, I mean, I enjoy butter. 367 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,960 I've, I, I've, I've been having it like a little bit from time 368 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,240 to time as of lately. But yeah, just red meat, water, 369 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,000 salt. Most of my meals were, most of 370 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,119 my meals were burgers actually. Like, I just got addicted to 371 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,079 burgers, man. Like, it was great. 372 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,560 Like I just never, I just never, never got sick of them. 373 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Michael, he's a, he's a, he's a power lifter that I'm coaching 374 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,720 right now, keto power lifter. And he did, he did the Lion Diet 375 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,640 too. And so since then, the, the 376 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,720 first thing all, I thought this, this might make you smile. 377 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,240 The first thing all three of us did was put keto bricks back in 378 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,400 once we were done with the Lion Diet. 379 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,120 Like it was literally like the first thing that touched my 380 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,440 tongue. Is there is there been any 381 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,720 adverse effect with that addition of the brick at all? 382 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,400 Yeah, man, I got like massive diarrhea the next day and then 383 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,240 like I got all these hives now, dude, I've been I, I, I just, I 384 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,760 felt great. Like I, I missed them. 385 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,000 I did, you know, I was looking forward to those so. 386 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 There was no diarrhea there. There was no issue. 387 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,480 No man, I was just kidding. I'm feeling great. 388 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Yeah. And I mean, I feel like it's 389 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,360 it's interesting when people go super strict because like all 390 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,080 these studies done on, you know, nutritional protocols, like 391 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,160 they're all, you know, questionnaire based diet 392 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,920 studies. And more often than not people 393 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,560 aren't honest. So whenever I'm talking to a 394 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 bodybuilder like yourself who like literally tracks 395 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,680 everything, has everything dialed in, is consistent, like 396 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,680 you can actually put stock in what they're saying and what 397 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,280 they're experiencing because it's legitimate. 398 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,760 So like if you do 60 days strict line that and then you introduce 399 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,280 keto bricks, anything that you find, you know, with that 400 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,840 introduction, whether it be good or negative like that, that's 401 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,760 insightful to me because it's legitimate. 402 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,280 Like if somebody says, oh man, I ate a keto brick and I didn't 403 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,640 feel good, but they ate like 15 other new things that same day, 404 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,560 it's like, OK, where where do I tease out what it actually was? 405 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,640 The driver here? But with you, it's like you can 406 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,440 tell me something and I can put stock into it. 407 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,960 Thanks. And and and yeah, it's, it's, 408 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:49,760 it's always what I've been fasted for. 409 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,960 Like it, I don't know, probably at least 12 to 16 hours before, 410 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,040 like I before I actually eat one because like normally I'll have 411 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,400 normally I'll have a brick. Right now I'm having half a 412 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,040 brick with keto with Doctor Kiltz's ice cream recipe. 413 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,400 Do you know what his ice cream recipe is? 414 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,480 I have seen it on Instagram. I have not tried it but it looks 415 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,040 really good. What? 416 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,960 What else in it? Yeah, it's pretty good. 417 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,880 It's, it's just, I mean, it's pretty basic. 418 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,520 It's just egg yolks, heavy cream, and then a sweetener of 419 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:21,480 choice if you want it. And so I did 7 ounces of cream. 420 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,360 I did a duck egg yolk. Have you ever had duck eggs bro? 421 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,400 I had. They're pretty good. 422 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Oh man, there. Yeah. 423 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,280 Once you have those, you just, you can't go back to chicken 424 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,480 eggs. Like they're just so much 425 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,000 better. There's so much more flavour, so 426 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,920 much more fat, more nutrients Anyway, so that. 427 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,960 And then instead of, and so my sweetener of choice was just my 428 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,920 metabolic nutrition protein powder, whey protein isolate. 429 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,360 So I'm making like basically an ice cream and then putting the 430 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:51,080 brick over top of it. So yeah, so and that way I'm 431 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,520 still hitting my 30 grams of protein. 432 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,840 So I'll do that earlier in the day and then three hours later 433 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,840 I'll have my dinner. So by the time that I eat my 434 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,600 next keto brick, like it's been a while. 435 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,960 And when you're in a fasted state, it's like you have a 436 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,240 microscope. It's like having a microscope on 437 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240 the inside of your body. It's like your level of 438 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,360 intuition in terms of how your body responds to what you eat is 439 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,000 it's, it's, it's 10 times better when your list of ingredients 440 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,040 that you're consuming by the end of the day is like three or 441 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:18,880 four. It's like what? 442 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,560 Red meat, water, salt, you know, keep. 443 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Keep vegetables to a, to a minimum. 444 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:26,440 None, none is optimal. No vegetables is best in my 445 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,280 opinion, right. And so like, other than the 446 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,240 bricks, I'm pretty much just still red meat, water and salt. 447 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,000 And then yeah, like I'll, I'll notice differences between 448 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,160 between the different bricks too. 449 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,640 The mocha one that I actually love because my caffeine intake 450 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,960 is pretty minimal right now. And so I'll do that if I'm going 451 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,920 to work out later in the day is have the mocha brick. 452 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,080 It's probably my all time favorite flavor actually, just 453 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,680 in terms of the taste, the. Lowest selling bricks. 454 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,560 That's like the original flavor. OK, I'm, I'm glad that you cause 455 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,600 'cause I 'cause I resell your bricks and I can't, I can't sell 456 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,760 that one for crap, dude. Like I can, I can sell the crap 457 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,280 out of the out of out of the bells brownie bricks because 458 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,280 most of my clients are no some tail carnivores and I do great 459 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,360 and I do great with the nootropics and like pretty much 460 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,840 all the other ones. But yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm like, 461 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:12,840 OK, great. More for me. 462 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,680 Mocha's my favorite. Yeah, there you go, man. 463 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,880 There you go with with with that ice cream that you're making. 464 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,320 Totally meant to ask this earlier, but are you using like 465 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,360 a Ninja Creamy or how are you actually making it? 466 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,720 I'm supposed to use it, but man, like you're, you're talking to a 467 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,880 guy that's been eating red meat, water, salt for 60 days. 468 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,800 So like, I don't know how to make ice cream anymore, dude, I 469 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,880 just it it it I've just been blending. 470 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,080 What did I what did I do last night? 471 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,880 Taylor and I got a got a hand blender out and that was like, I 472 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,120 don't know. It wasn't the world's greatest 473 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,000 ice cream, but it's the only ice cream I've had in what, like a 474 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,200 year because I haven't had, like, any legitimate ice cream 475 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,040 or carbs or anything for, well, for well over a year. 476 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,240 So yeah, man, it tastes good to me. 477 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520 Well, Greg went through this like ice cream phase and he's 478 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,440 got one of those ninja creamies and he was like sending me all 479 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840 these pictures of all this keto ice cream that he was making. 480 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000 And I'm like, man, that thing, give me one of these creamy 481 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,720 things because it makes it look super easy to do. 482 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,600 And you can totally fashion the macros however you like. 483 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,760 And I can totally see how if you're in a prep and you're 484 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,440 wanting something that kind of satisfies that difference in 485 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,280 texture and sweetness, and you can kind of tailor the macros to 486 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,120 fit like I could see that being a pretty good little hunger 487 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,760 hack. Yeah, definitely. 488 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,680 So, yeah, I'm about to give me one of those. 489 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,040 All right. What else we can talk about, 490 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,760 man? So you you're doing, you said no 491 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,400 vegetables is ideal. Have have you had any vegetables 492 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:38,080 since in the Lion Diet? No, not a yeah, I, I, I, I I'm, 493 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,280 I'm interesting with the veggies, man. 494 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,160 Like I am not like a hardcore staunch carnivore. 495 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,600 I pretty much eat exactly like you eat like I eat the simplest 496 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,080 things, beef seasoning occasionally, but my my 497 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,440 seasonings just like ramen salt basically, or that Celtic salt 498 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,160 and then bricks like I'm I'm pretty much as close to 499 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,200 carnivore as you can get without being officially carnivore. 500 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,200 And depending on how you define carnivore, I am carnivore, but 501 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,040 I'll try periods of. You're speaking you're Speaking 502 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,960 of carnivore Athon tea, right? No, no. 503 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,760 When is that one again? Oh, sorry, it's it's it's this 504 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,920 summer. I was going to, I was going to 505 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,200 say keto. Keto bricks apparently aren't 506 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600 getting us kicked off of the carnivore team. 507 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,880 So. Hey, I like I actually know how 508 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,520 maybe carnivore though I'm speaking. 509 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,440 No, I think I am speaking. That's that's that live stream, 510 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,120 right? Yeah, I was going to, I was 511 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,240 going to say how are, how are you? 512 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,120 How are you not speaking? You killed it last year, so. 513 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Yeah, I think I am speaking. We got to find. 514 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,080 I'm just so late in booking it though. 515 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,280 So we're trying to find the time that works because like right 516 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,560 now, the only time that was available for me was like 1:00 517 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,680 in the morning. Let me just message him real 518 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,080 quick. I'm totally bouncing all the 519 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,160 place on this podcast. But he sent me a message and I 520 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,360 think I responded back but I'm not positive. 521 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,360 And those and those guys are on the opposite end of the planet. 522 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,480 And so like doing doing any kind of recording, as you know, 523 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,320 always interesting. Oh it's it's boom man. 524 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,520 Like what? Where are most of your clients 525 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,040 end? Most of them are in the US. 526 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,200 In the US. Yep. 527 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,760 And then I got a guy in Brazil, I got a couple in the UK. 528 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,040 Our our, our carnivore coaches corner. 529 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,040 Not, not, not our primary podcast, but our other podcast. 530 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,480 We started that one a year ago. We just celebrated our one year 531 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,960 anniversary. But yeah, we're actually rated 532 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040 number one in the UK, but not in the US. 533 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,360 So I'm like slightly thrilled and slightly pissed off and. 534 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,760 That's for which one? That's for which podcast? 535 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,320 That's for carnivore coaches. Corner Mark. 536 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,680 Mark and I started it a year ago. 537 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,400 Nice. Yeah, it's there seems to be a 538 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,040 growing demographic of keto carnivore in the UK for sure. 539 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,520 That seems to be one of the hop happening spots right now. 540 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,880 Yeah, you're, you're still definitely the ugly, the the 541 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,840 ugly, ugly duckling of the gym if you're on the keto diet 542 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,280 there. But it's but it's growing a lot 543 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,400 and there there's a, there's a lot of very, very, very, very 544 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,920 good coaches and very good doctors and very good influences 545 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,440 that are coming that are coming out of the UK so. 546 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Yeah, 100%, man, 100%. I need to just do some more 547 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,400 international travel. I'm, I'm doing a ton of travel 548 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960 right now. Last year, I traveled non-stop, 549 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,280 but I need to do some more international travel because I 550 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,640 think there's so much opportunity there for just, you 551 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,120 know, tapping into untapped markets that are all wanting 552 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,600 this information, but they're not really getting it in the 553 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,600 mainstream like we kind of are here in the States. 554 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,360 Right. So totally. 555 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,680 But yeah, going back to the veggies, there's times where 556 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,400 I'll include veggies, there's times where I won't. 557 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,760 I, I don't really have a, a negative response. 558 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,160 One with the other though, man, 'cause like some people, they'll 559 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,520 have veggies and they'll, they'll complain of like all 560 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,640 these toxins that they could just instantly feel. 561 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,560 I don't notice any of that. I'll notice a little bit more 562 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,720 bloat with some things like, you know, if I'm eating anything 563 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,880 raw, I'll know it's more bloat. But if I'm eating like fermented 564 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,520 veggies, like I don't notice any adverse effects whatsoever. 565 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,320 So I think it's definitely a dose dependent upon the 566 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,240 individual kind of scenario and. Yeah, and the more you and the 567 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,520 more you cook them, the more the, the, the more the toxic 568 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,960 stuff cooks out of it. Yeah, yeah, 100%. 569 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,040 And the, and the and the fiber, the the fiber's, the fiber's the 570 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,960 main reason that I avoid plants anymore. 571 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520 So actually, especially after especially after reading Fiber 572 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Menace, have you ever heard of that book? 573 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,240 No. Who wrote that one? 574 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,880 Oh, it's by. I can't even pronounce the 575 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,120 author's name. Yeah, like I'm not even going to 576 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,360 try to pronounce that the author's name, but I'll spell it 577 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:30,040 for you. Konstantin Mana. 578 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,480 The last name starts with AM. I'll send you Adm of the picture 579 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,960 of the book. I got pulled on on Amazon right 580 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,880 now. Yeah, I definitely would not 581 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,320 have been able to pronounce that name either. 582 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,680 Yeah, I'll check that out for sure, man. 583 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,440 Yeah, Doctor Kilt referenced it. Doctor Kilt referenced it. 584 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,680 And Nina Tykoltz, the author of The Big Fat Surprise, he 585 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,200 referenced it too. And yeah, if I, if I had any, if 586 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,640 I, if I had any skepticisms about the, about how fiber 587 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,440 negative negatively impacts your body, that's kind of disproven. 588 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,920 And I'm just, I'm just like, yeah, the only, the only time 589 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800 that I ever, sorry if this is TMI again, the only time that I 590 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,280 ever pass gas is when I is, is when is when I eat fiber. 591 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600 Other than that, it just doesn't happen. 592 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,920 No. It makes sense man. 593 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,720 Whose podcast were you? Just on here. 594 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,400 Recently one of my clients sent me a link to a YouTube video 595 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,680 with you. He wrote a book as well, but I 596 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,760 forget his name. Oh, Eddie Gokey. 597 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:26,800 Yeah, yeah. What? 598 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,840 What? What's what's that about? 599 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,400 What? What do you mean? 600 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,640 What was his book about? I haven't read his book yet, but 601 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,920 what's his book? I haven't read, I haven't read 602 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,000 his book, actually. I've just, I, I've been on his 603 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,240 show a couple times and he's been on mine I think once maybe. 604 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,480 Yeah. Anyway, he's just a he's just a 605 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,480 smart dude, man. He takes, he takes a lot of this 606 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,640 stuff that Bart K talks about and, and some of some of the, 607 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,920 some of the scientific stuff that just kind of goes over my 608 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,520 head. And because I'm a I'm a music 609 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,920 performance major man, right? You know, so and A and A and a 610 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,760 bodybuilding coach and so like the, the scientific, like 611 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:08,320 intracellular science is kind of probably the hardest part of my 612 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,360 job to be able to, to be able to grasp. 613 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,600 And he's been, he's been really help. 614 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,920 He's been really helpful at like re articulating some of the 615 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,360 stuff that I know and I've been practicing over the last year, 616 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,400 but now I, I understand it better. 617 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,360 So yeah, I'm super glad that he and I connected, Man. 618 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,600 He's a super cool guy. No, that's that's awesome. 619 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,280 And I hadn't heard of him before that client of mine sent me that 620 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,640 link to the recording that you did with him. 621 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,960 So about the check out his content for sure. 622 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,400 Oh, dude, yeah, get get him. Get him on your show, man. 623 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Like you would you would you would you would love talking to 624 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560 this guy. Yeah, I mean I, I. 625 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,840 Definitely would. The podcasting is awesome, man. 626 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,920 I love the podcast. I mean, bringing people on. 627 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,040 I feel very blessed to have had the the diverse, eclectic group 628 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,360 of people that I have had on. I mean, we're we're about to hit 629 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,320 like episode, I mean, shoot, we're at like 670 something 630 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,800 right now. So we've definitely cranked out 631 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,120 a bunch of these. Nice, nice. 632 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,160 That's, that's so inspiring, dude. 633 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,320 You know you dude, OK, you know, you know what's really 634 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,240 inspiring, man, to be completely honest, was I, I started, 635 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,960 started the day, started the day with a run with my dog. 636 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,760 And I was listening to your podcast and you were, you were, 637 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,960 you were talking about how you've had, you've had ups and 638 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,280 downs through, through keto, through keto brick and and those 639 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,720 and those setbacks never, ever stop you from your mission and 640 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,880 from and from moving forward. And so that's something that I 641 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,800 was doing, I was doing Skull Bells today and I was 642 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,760 remembering what you're saying about like, sometimes you're 643 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,120 profitable and sometimes you don't really know if if you're 644 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160 profitable. And my, my, my daughter and I 645 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,040 were making an order today of another rope cable attachment. 646 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560 So kind of like the one that you have, but did the one that I 647 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,760 did, the one that I made for you to have two colors or one color 648 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,760 blended, blended together. I can't remember what it was. 649 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,080 It was one color. OK, so I've been blending them 650 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,680 together lately. So like basically like the the 651 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,760 bottom was hot pink and then floating a little bit of 652 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,480 floating a little bit of yellow dye at the top. 653 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,280 So basically it's a skull cable attachment extra long with like 654 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,240 a purple and a pink skull on each side. 655 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,360 But like, sometimes I don't know, it's like I'm, I'm looking 656 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,200 at our bottom line for like the cost of our materials and the, 657 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,800 and the cost that I'm selling these for. 658 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,440 And I'm thinking through and I'm listening and I'm listening to 659 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,200 everything that you're saying about the, about having to 660 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,800 source cacao butter from Africa and how that's affecting your 661 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760 business and how you just before we hit record, before we just 662 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,160 hit record right now you're, you're, you're saying sometimes 663 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,600 you just got to take it one day at a time. 664 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,240 That's been helpful. That's been helpful for me 665 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600 because like sometimes we have months where we're profitable 666 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,360 and sometimes we have months where we don't. 667 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320 And I'm like, man, remember why we started, Remember why we 668 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,040 started? And you're just, you're just 669 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,520 somebody that's full of integrity and, and have been 670 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,800 ever since you started Keto Brick. 671 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,960 And I just really respect you for that. 672 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,080 So sorry, I just wanted to tell you that at some point. 673 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,520 No, I really appreciate it, man. It's been a, it's been a journey 674 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,240 for sure, man. There's definitely highs and 675 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,200 lows, ups and downs, but I mean, like, I love business. 676 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,760 I love, I love the nature business. 677 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,320 I love the entrepreneurship journey. 678 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,120 I love meeting people, networking, collaborating. 679 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,760 And I mean, like, there's definitely no defined 9:00 to 680 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,880 5:00 work day in my life. And there's times where I put in 681 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,840 obscene amounts of hours, but it's all doing things that I 682 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,520 enjoy doing. And there's definitely times 683 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,920 that I'm doing things that are causing a ton of stress and, you 684 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,440 know, suck me dry. But it's all stuff that, you 685 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,240 know, I've basically brought into my life. 686 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,680 Like it's all my own doing. So I've got to figure things out 687 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,600 as I go. And I feel like there's just so 688 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,000 much more fulfillment there. Right. 689 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200 It's like it's, it's, it's, it's what I'm gonna taste for it. 690 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960 Yeah, it's, it's like, it's like it's like, you know, it's, it's, 691 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,040 it's what it's what you live for. 692 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,400 So sorry. That's that's where that's where 693 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,400 I was going with that with to to your point about the podcast and 694 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,480 how long you've been doing it too. 695 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,400 It's like some, some of our episodes just like, whoa, like 696 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,920 this one can't it went viral. Like 10,000 people listened to 697 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,000 it. And then the one I did, I know 698 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640 for sure is going to go viral and like 100 people listen to 699 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,680 it, you know, like what the heck, like what happened? 700 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,400 And so I don't know, like just to see that you're at what, 600 701 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,920 episodes now? See, I've been doing, I've I've 702 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,960 been, I've been cranking out three a week between the two of 703 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480 my shows lately. So maybe like 2/3 of the I 704 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,680 don't, I don't think I'll catch up to you. 705 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,960 I don't know. That's not what I'm trying to 706 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,320 do. It's inspiring none the least. 707 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,280 I just wanted to say that. I appreciate it. 708 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,600 I have no idea how the algorithms work. 709 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,080 I mean, I don't know how YouTube for sure. 710 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,360 Like I, I've never had like a viral video on YouTube. 711 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,640 My my growth has always been super, super slow on YouTube 712 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000 like man, I like some people that had no audience that I've 713 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,160 got like half a million followers on YouTube. 714 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,680 So I don't really know how that whole thing works, but I'd go 715 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,880 crazy trying to figure it out. So I just simply do the content 716 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,040 that I want to do. I pump it out when I want to 717 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800 pump it out and you know, people want to watch it. 718 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,040 Great. If they don't want to watch it, 719 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,400 that's great too, you know? Hell yeah. 720 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,120 So yeah, I feel like, I feel like you go crazy if you're 721 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,760 trying to keep up with the Joneses, for sure. 722 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,880 Yep. So what's the next thing on the 723 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440 experimental front, man? Like what do you get going apart 724 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,920 from the the guest posing, What else is in the pipeline as far 725 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,840 as experiments you want to do are are you going to go into 726 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,800 like more of a legitimate building phase after this guest 727 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,400 posing session? Yeah, I'm just not at a point in 728 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,880 my life right now where I can justify the time and money to 729 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,840 take a stab at my pro card. I'm like, OK, I've done I've 730 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,840 I've done 12 competitions. 8 of them were pre keto. 731 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,520 Four of them were post keto. My physique post keto obviously 732 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880 was way better since I since I made the transition to carnivore 733 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,360 keto. And so I'm finding it, I'm 734 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,800 finding it great for bulking too. 735 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,720 I think it's under I I think that I think carnivore and low 736 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,840 carb, just keto bulking is really underrated, man. 737 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,160 I mean like people don't talk about it because they only 738 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920 associate keto with cutting body fat, but it's like. 739 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,760 Yeah, and there's and there's so many, there's so many trying to 740 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,440 trying to use a child appropriate word right now. 741 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,600 The first one that's the best one that's coming to mind is 742 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,400 just knucklehead coaches online that are that, that are that, 743 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,560 that are, that are saying that you have to have carbs to build 744 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,160 muscle. And I'm like, what's like I'm 745 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,680 building muscle just as fast, if not, if, if not, if not better 746 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,480 without it. And my, my inflammation's lower. 747 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600 I feel like my mental clarity and my workouts are better 748 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,040 still. As soon as I put, start putting 749 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,400 carbs back in, man, it's like that. 750 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,679 It's like that proverb. What the heck is that proverb? 751 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,440 A dog, a dog. Just as a, just as a dog returns 752 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,520 to its own vomit, so also a fool returns to its own to his own 753 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,199 foolishness. And I'm just like, you know 754 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,679 what? No, I've I've I've gone this 755 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,960 long without carbs. I feel better without carbs. 756 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,360 Every time I put them back in, nothing good happens. 757 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,880 Yeah, no, I I can totally relate with there. 758 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,080 I've had people like they'll hit me up on Instagram and they'll 759 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,280 be like, why don't you eat more carbs? 760 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,280 You should totally eat more carbs. 761 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,960 There's no reason to eat that much fat. 762 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,000 And it's like, look, man, I've done that whole thing. 763 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,679 Like I used to eat carbs. I used to have a ton of carbs. 764 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,960 And I've done it both ways. Like I've done it all different 765 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920 types of ways. And I, I do what now feels best, 766 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,719 feels optimal, allows me the best recovery. 767 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,760 And I mean, there's just no reason to deviate from what I'm 768 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400 doing. So I am definitely in the camp 769 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,000 of, you know, optimized from a fat metabolism standpoint by 770 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,360 staying strict keto, then just keep getting better over time. 771 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,920 For sure that proverb was Proverbs 2611. 772 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,680 By the way, as a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his 773 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,520 foolishness. Sorry, I just had to be on 774 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,680 record saying that if I ever quote the word of God, I want to 775 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,600 make sure I get it right. No, that's good man. 776 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,040 I like that, especially as it pertains to eating a bunch of 777 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,800 carbs and processed foods. Yeah, definitely. 778 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,840 Totally, totally. What? 779 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,920 What about Taylor? How's, how's, how's her 780 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,480 endeavors going? She's doing a cut right now as 781 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,760 well, right? Yep, Yep, she is actually, you 782 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,000 know what? No, she's she's not. 783 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920 She's not even cutting. She's just keto carnivore, just 784 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,360 basically she's I I would say a little more keto then I then I 785 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,680 am quite a bit more quite a bit more variety in terms of the 786 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,680 meats that she eats. But yeah, she's we're busy to be 787 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,720 completely honest, man, like like I'll tell you how tell you 788 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:05,040 how busy we are. I I had like my entire day 789 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,960 planned out right. Like I don't know my client 790 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,080 check insurance done got my got my got my leg workout done did 791 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,840 my posing. Let's see Everly Everly and I 792 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,320 knocked out that skull bells order got their shipments out 793 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000 the door. And then just kind of like 794 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120 getting in the mindset to for this podcast to talk to you, 795 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,040 Taylor and James comes home, come home because James is 796 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,560 throwing up. So yeah, anyway, it's it's just 797 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,840 you know, it's it's just dad, dad life, entrepreneur life, 798 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,600 life, life is life is busy, but being consistent with your diet 799 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,040 gives you it gives it gives it gives me peace. 800 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,240 It gives me, I guess, structure to my life. 801 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:48,960 And so I find contest prep and cutting to be kind of helpful 802 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,920 that way. Yeah. 803 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,360 Tailored, not so much. She's like, yeah, I don't really 804 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600 want to think about cutting right now, but yeah, man, no, 805 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,320 she looks great. Healthy was. 806 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,040 She doing a prep I can't remember. 807 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,480 We have been thinking about it and I just don't, I just don't 808 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,600 know if that's if that's what, if that's really the best thing 809 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,120 for her to be doing or, or at least anytime soon. 810 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,880 And that's more so because obviously I want her to, you 811 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,160 know, the coach, let me put it this way, the coach in me, yeah, 812 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,120 really wants her to compete because because I know that she, 813 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,480 I know that she could kill it. But here again, like for the 814 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,000 same reasons that I really don't even feel personally comfortable 815 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,960 competing the next for, for, for, for another year or two. 816 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,800 That's kind of where her head's at too. 817 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,000 It's like, OK, we got kids, we got other priorities, we got 818 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,640 clients. Let's make sure that everybody 819 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,360 else is taken care of first. And my time will come, and her 820 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,280 time will come. Yeah, no, I like it, man. 821 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,920 There's definitely a, a, a pretty big endeavor, you know, 822 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,000 doing a prep. So making sure that you can 823 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,600 commit to it without having too much distraction. 824 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,880 The the stars are never going to lie, but but kind of doing so in 825 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,160 a chapter of your life where it makes sense to do so. 826 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,480 Yeah, I do that right. When all like all the stars are 827 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,200 lying you'd like. And if you can, and if you can, 828 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,360 if you can get a sponsor and have them pay for your prep, 829 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,520 then great, you're saving money there and just get everything, 830 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,160 get everything going for you. Yeah. 831 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,200 Yeah, it was. I, it's kind of crazy how 832 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,240 expensive preps are until you're actually, you're in the middle 833 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,120 of it. Because like, I was looking back 834 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,240 through all the expenses during my last season with the five 835 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,040 competitions and I was traveling to all of them. 836 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,600 And I mean, mine, mine were a little bit more inflated than 837 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,560 most because I was also like flying my employee out there to 838 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,200 like, film everything. And I was booking, you know, 839 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,480 Airbnb's that would fit him as well. 840 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,960 Yeah, it was just, it was an obscene amount of money, but but 841 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,600 it was, it was good. I feel like I didn't hold 842 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,920 anything back and just giving that prep my everything. 843 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,080 So I I have no complaints. Yeah, yeah. 844 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,880 And that's, that's how, that's how a prep should be. 845 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,280 You should, if you, if you have, you know, man, that if you do 846 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,000 one thing wrong on your prep that it's I mean this, this is 847 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,880 art at the end of the day. I think that's the biggest thing 848 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040 I've been talking. I've I've been talking with 849 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,240 doctor kilts a lot lately. I've been listening to his lives 850 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:09,880 like pretty much every single day and he's been talking about 851 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,200 how about how the he he always gets like real methodical and 852 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,840 it's so I don't know. I just like love listening to 853 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,000 like his perspectives on life, like as I'm like kind of waking 854 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400 up in the morning. But but, but something he keeps 855 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,080 saying is that life is about art. 856 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,960 Life is about creativity. What are you giving back to the 857 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,560 world? Right? 858 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,240 And I think that's AI think that's I think that's a healthy 859 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:35,040 mindset to be in. So bodybuilding, like, I don't 860 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920 know, people look at it as a vain sport, but I think that how 861 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,400 you look says a lot about who you are as a person. 862 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,560 I said, I think it says a lot about your habits. 863 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,320 And then it shows that you have it shows that you have control 864 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,280 over your body really. And I think, and and I mean, 865 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,280 like we can look at we can look at as being something that's 866 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,920 vain, but I really do think that it's art. 867 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,480 And when I step on stage, that's an expression of art. 868 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,640 And if there's one thing that I effed up on during my prep, it's 869 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640 gonna drive me crazy. Yeah, I think that's. 870 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,120 Because I know it affects how I look on the stage. 871 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,080 Yeah, I think it's a healthy way to look at it, man. 872 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,200 Like you don't want to leave any stone unturned and you just want 873 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,640 to be able to walk off without regret. 874 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,040 Because then no matter what the placing is like, you can be at 875 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,680 peace with the placing. Whereas if you you know know 876 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,800 that you shirked your responsibilities, then it's just 877 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,120 gonna haunt you. Yeah, every single I'm I'm track 878 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,280 coaching right now. So every single track meet, we 879 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,040 have a track meet tomorrow and I'm going to tell him the same 880 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,280 time. I'm going to tell him, tell him 881 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,720 the same thing that I tell him before every track meet is if 882 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:36,960 you get if if you if your time, if if you get second place. 883 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,040 No, excuse me. If you get how do I say it? 884 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,640 If you get, if you get first place and your time was less 885 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,160 your and your time was more than it was the last time that you 886 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,640 ran that race, you lost. Yeah. 887 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,080 So, so your, your number one competitor is yourself. 888 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,360 That's my point. Yeah, now that makes total 889 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,400 sense, man, total sense. And bodybuilding is a perfect 890 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,800 embodiment of that, which is like, if you're not looking 891 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,640 better every time you step on stage, then you're doing 892 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,080 something wrong, regardless of the place. 893 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,120 Like you need to be looking better. 894 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,320 And for me, my thing that I need to do is just Simply put on more 895 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,680 size. Like I was consistently the 896 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,120 leanest count on stage, but I'm not ever the biggest count 897 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,360 stage. I need to put on more size so I 898 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520 can be on the upper range of my weight class. 899 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,120 I think that's going to be, you know, like if, if I'm able to 900 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,200 maintain my level of conditioning, but then just 901 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,160 simply be on the higher end of my weight class, like I'll be 902 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,920 untouchable. Yeah, dude. 903 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,400 And and you, you have an incredible classic physique, so 904 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,960 please hear what I'm saying here. 905 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,840 But but you, but you were just flat out born for bodybuilding. 906 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,400 Like you, just you, you, you, just you, you, you do the 907 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,800 category of bodybuilding so much more justice than classic. 908 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,240 And that's, I don't know, I guess just for my personal 909 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,200 opinion, I don't know, I don't know if you feel the same way. 910 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:52,720 Do you have? Do you have one that you prefer 911 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,560 more or the other? I mean I like them both but 912 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480 honestly there's not even a classic division in the debut 913 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,920 and BF because the debut and BF views bodybuilding as classic 914 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,800 anyways. Like if they're, if you're 915 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,880 natural, you're not going to have that sheer, you know, 916 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,120 massive size that a lot of these people have. 917 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,760 And that's. The one that's that's that's the 918 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,040 one thing that I can't stand about WNBF. 919 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,680 I'm sorry. So that's what, that's why the 920 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,720 show. Yeah, the the the the show, the 921 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,120 show that I'm Co hosting with Hyro. 922 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,560 That's why we're offering a classic physique division 923 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,760 because like we, we we both believe that classic physique 924 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,520 has a place in natural bodybuilding. 925 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,800 I think it's AI think, I think, I think it's, I think it's a 926 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,680 great way to have more of an old school look. 927 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,400 That's just not so. Not so hard and scary, but a 928 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,480 little more fun. And I love the classic division 929 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,720 as a whole. Like, I love the poses, I love 930 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,600 the vibe. Like I'm all about it. 931 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,160 I love the trunks. Like everything's totally on par 932 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,280 with what I want in the sport. Yeah. 933 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,840 So I mean, I, I'm not opposed to that being a division across the 934 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,720 board that all federations embrace. 935 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,240 I think that I, I, I think, I think it would be good to be 936 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,200 completely honest if they did because because it's, it's, it's 937 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,760 so much more appealing to the general public, man. 938 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,600 It's like the average person on the street. 939 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,680 It's, it's like, what's, what's the biggest problem with natural 940 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,200 bodybuilding? It's hard to get the viewers, 941 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,320 man. Like people want, people want 942 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,640 to, people want to see the freaks. 943 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,120 People want to, you know, natural bodybuilders are 944 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,320 inspiring, but not, not in the, not in the same way when you see 945 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,800 guys that are twice the size, right? 946 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,040 I mean, let's just be realistic. And so if, if we, if we want 947 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,440 more viewers for, for natural bodybuilding, then I mean glute 948 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,040 striations and, and, and, and like and, and real cut hip 949 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,480 flexors that that doesn't, that doesn't really impress the 950 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,880 average person that goes to the gym. 951 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,600 But I feel like Classic Physique is just kind of more, I guess, 952 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,480 appealing to the general public. Yeah, I don't know that I do 953 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,800 like the the the striding glutes, man. 954 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,840 If you get striding glutes, then you're doing something right. 955 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,480 Oh, hey, and, and, and you know what? 956 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,600 I'm, I'm, I'm with you. I'm on your side. 957 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,040 I'm all about the striding glutes too. 958 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,320 Like what? Like next time I can next time I 959 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,720 will. Next time I compete, I will have 960 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,200 veins popping out of my butt again. 961 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,040 But I'm, but I'm talking about just like for, for, for just for 962 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,000 the industry in general. I think it would be, I think it 963 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,600 would be. I think Classic Physique is 964 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,440 something that we need to take and run with. 965 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680 Yeah, no, totally man. Totally agree. 966 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,920 It is crazy how big some of these guys that are enhanced 967 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,680 get. I was looking at a a video clip 968 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,640 of Nick Walker the other day. Have you seen him recently man? 969 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,360 To be completely honest man, I am so up to date on natural 970 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,160 bodybuilding and not very up to date on the IFBB right now. 971 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,840 Which? I probably should do better on 972 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,000 any of it. Like I I don't view anything I 973 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,560 I'm the worst about staying up to date or anything but I saw a 974 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,800 clip of him. I don't even remember where I 975 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,240 was, but I saw a clip of him and it was insane, man. 976 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:45,960 Like this guy, like his, his calves are bigger than my waist. 977 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,640 It seems like it's just obnoxious. 978 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,720 It's wild. But I mean, it's like, and, and 979 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,040 they're all open about taking gear. 980 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,800 I mean, it's just what what people do on that side of the 981 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,800 spectrum. And I've had people on the 982 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,000 podcast that have been super open about taking gear. 983 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,120 And for me, it's like I listen to what all they're taking, even 984 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,960 if they're doing all the right precautions, they're getting all 985 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,960 the labs checked. Like for me, that just seems 986 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,600 like too much to keep up with. Like I love bodybuilding because 987 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,680 it's it's just seems innate. It seems natural. 988 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,400 It seems like we should be able to move. 989 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,440 We should be able to go through periods of hunger. 990 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,920 We should be able to, you know, train hard and lift heavy things 991 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,600 and be sore. Like, I love all of that stuff 992 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,520 in its natural innate state, pristine pure state. 993 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,680 But when you start throwing in all this other stuff like all 994 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,400 these chemicals and drugs and names that I can't pronounce 995 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,920 properly, to me that just distracts from the the pure 996 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,640 essence of what the sport to me means in its entirety anyways. 997 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,600 Yeah, yeah, I, I think I think so too. 998 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,320 Do you think that question for you, just a curiosity, do you 999 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,800 think that the reason that a lot of bodybuilders are having heart 1000 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,480 attacks at super young ages is 'cause you don't see it natural 1001 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,600 body building, you only see it in enhanced bodybuilding? 1002 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,240 Do you think it's, do you think it's the PEDs or do you think 1003 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,160 it's the, it's, it's, it's the overconsumption of carbohydrates 1004 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:11,000 that is damaging their body that you that you really just don't 1005 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480 see because they look so good and so they're carrying it well. 1006 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,320 It's probably a, a myriad of things, man. 1007 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,080 Like they, they've probably got excess glycation for sure, but 1008 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,720 they're also, I mean, like they're able to eat like when 1009 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,080 they're, when they're taking a bunch of gear, you've got to 1010 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,240 just simply eat so many more calories to put that into use. 1011 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,160 And you can get away with eating a much lower quality hyper 1012 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,640 palatable processed food. Sometimes you even need to in 1013 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,520 order to get the amount of calories in. 1014 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,640 So there's a lot of stress and inflammation that's going to 1015 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,200 result from that. And it's like most people that 1016 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,600 are going that route, they're, they're oftentimes not putting 1017 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,640 as much an emphasis on, you know, nutrient density and 1018 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,080 quality and sourcing of that food. 1019 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,800 Because if they're willing to take all the gear in the world 1020 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560 anyways like that, that's just not where they're at. 1021 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,800 That point you're like. You know. 1022 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,760 The the malto ejection in this pre workout is the least of my 1023 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,040 concern. Screw it, let's go. 1024 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,800 Yeah. Kinda kinda, I mean, and like, I 1025 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,680 don't want to speak in generalizations because there 1026 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,040 are some people that are, you know, freaking chemists. 1027 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,720 Like they've got everything dialed in, they're tracking 1028 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,120 everything, they're getting blood work done, they're doing 1029 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,800 everything, you know, quote UN quote, right? 1030 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040 And they are sourcing from the right food sources. 1031 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,520 You know, like, if you're going to do it, that's definitely the 1032 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,600 right way to do it. But I don't want my body to be, 1033 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,480 you know, a, a chemical shitstorm, for lack of a better 1034 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,840 word, in environments that I don't know or have complete 1035 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,440 control or understanding of. And I feel like that's just. 1036 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080 It just brings on too many unknown variables into the 1037 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,960 equation that I don't want to have to try and keep up with. 1038 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,800 Absolutely. Are you are? 1039 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,120 Are all of your clients natural or do you train guys that are 1040 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,320 enhanced at all? I train, I train everybody. 1041 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,280 They're not really like taking gear for the sport of 1042 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,040 bodybuilding. I, I take, I train some older 1043 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,040 clients that are on TRT, you know, and they're open with 1044 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,320 that. And I'm, I'm totally fine with 1045 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,000 that. But like, I am training natural 1046 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,360 athletes. I'm training people that are on 1047 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,280 TRT. But when it comes like if 1048 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,000 they're, if they're taking gear for the sport of bodybuilding 1049 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,720 and they're wanting me to like give them pointers on dosages 1050 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,880 and different types of drugs, like I am totally in the dark 1051 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,880 there. So I'll just be upfront with 1052 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,280 them. Like, look man, I don't know, 1053 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,360 you know what your stack of Winstrol Diana Ball Tremblone 1054 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,240 needs to be like? That's just not my area of 1055 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,000 expertise. Yeah, the the only thing that I 1056 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,840 really changed when I'm see, I don't, I don't think that I have 1057 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,360 anybody that's on that's on gear at the moment. 1058 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:31,680 Jill. Jill's competing in four weeks. 1059 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,800 She's the one that I had sent you a picture of and she is she, 1060 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,360 what's your opinion on TRT? If you've as a, as a natural 1061 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,440 bodybuilder? So she like has not She, you 1062 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,000 know, she, she, she, she did that and she did and she and she 1063 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,280 had to take a couple other things that are certainly not 1064 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,240 performance enhancing drugs by any stretch. 1065 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,160 But I think that, I think, I think that just, I think that 1066 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,520 basically testosterone was the only thing that was actually on 1067 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,480 the banned substance list. And so I'm like, all right, like 1068 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,560 she's not any worse of an athlete, but I don't know she's, 1069 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,000 she's, she's doing these NPC shows for the same reason that 1070 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,000 my, that my last shows were NPCS. 1071 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,440 I, I did, I did one that was drug tested, one that was not 1072 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,600 drug tested. But half the half the reason 1073 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,680 that I compete when I, when I do, especially if I'm doing a 1074 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,920 couple show, a couple shows in a row is because I, you know, I 1075 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,840 want, I want, I want to beat myself, but I also want to 1076 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160 network. And so I just, I love, I love 1077 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,560 how big the NPC is. I love how professionally it's 1078 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,680 run. There's a, there's a lot of 1079 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,680 things that I really enjoy about it. 1080 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,520 But but yeah, I mean, Jill, Jill like, you know, can't do any, 1081 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,120 any natural shows just because of that. 1082 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,920 So I'm not sure if you have an opinion on that at all, but. 1083 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,840 It it's, it's tough, man, Like it's hard to know it 'cause 1084 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,240 there's just so much nuance to like, why does somebody get on 1085 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,720 TRT? Are they doing it because they 1086 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:48,600 have some genetic defect that has them, you know, at 1087 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,880 chronically depressed levels of testosterone? 1088 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,560 That's obviously not good. So I was totally. 1089 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,200 Because that's, yeah, that that's where she was at. 1090 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,360 It was like, you know, probably something where if she really 1091 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,200 wanted to do a natural drug test and show we could, we could do 1092 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,880 it. But yeah, between between now 1093 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,040 and then, she just. And it's weird too 'cause like 1094 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,600 when you are taking TRTI mean say you've got, say you've got a 1095 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,040 typical client that is, you know, 40s, fifties, late 30s, 1096 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,960 you know, the, the general demographic for guys that are 1097 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,400 getting on TRT, for instance, because their natural levels 1098 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,720 have dropped due to environmental factors, due to, 1099 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,840 you know, periods of dad bought whatever the case may be. 1100 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,200 And you know, poor sleep, stress, their testosterone's 1101 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400 low, they go to a clinic, they get on TRT, boom, they're taking 1102 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,720 TRT. They're trying to avoid taking 1103 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,480 it at super physiological levels. 1104 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,280 So let's say they're only at, you know, between 6 and 900 on 1105 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,600 the total testosterone window. You know, that's a quote UN 1106 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,360 quote normal physiological level. 1107 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,640 However, if they are taking TRT and they are maintaining those 1108 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,160 levels throughout the entirety of their prep, they're able to 1109 00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:00,320 maintain that higher level. Even the context of a very low 1110 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,680 body fat and low caloric intake, that is not the same as someone 1111 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,600 that is not taking TRT because those levels will drastically 1112 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,160 reduce throughout a prep. As I showed in my prep. 1113 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,920 I mean, my total testosterone dropped, you know, crazy low, 1114 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,000 which is totally normal in the context of. 1115 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,240 Probably better than it would if you're on a high carb diet, but 1116 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,360 yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1117 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,520 But it's like, is it fair that someone is taking TRT at quote 1118 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,200 UN quote natural, you know, maintaining a natural level, but 1119 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,160 they're competing in a natural show against people that are not 1120 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,240 taking TRT and they're seeing a significant drop in their 1121 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:36,600 naturally occurring testosterone. 1122 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,840 No, I don't think that's necessarily fair. 1123 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,840 So I feel like it makes sense that they would outlaw that 1124 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,480 stuff. But it's just so much nuance, 1125 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,680 man. Like, because like, when I'm, 1126 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,920 you know, 75 years old, it's like, maybe the research shows 1127 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,440 that I would benefit from taking TRT, but is that gonna mean I'm 1128 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,760 never gonna be able to compete again at 75 years old? 1129 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,200 You know, probably not. But you know what? 1130 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,920 What is it worth to me at that point? 1131 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,680 You know, I don't know. Yeah. 1132 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,800 So yeah, it's, that's my, that's my opinion of it all. 1133 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,000 Like I'm, I'm natural. I've been naturally my whole 1134 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,640 life. I feel like I've continued to 1135 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,560 see progress. I don't feel like I've plateaued 1136 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,120 from a natural standpoint. I feel like most people 1137 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:17,360 definitely don't give their body the credit that it's due. 1138 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,160 I mean, we're capable of so much when people think man, and 1139 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,080 they're so willing and quick to jump on exogenous hormone 1140 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,960 replacement because they don't feel like they've that they, 1141 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,520 they feel like they've capped their own innate potential. 1142 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,680 But that's often times not the case. 1143 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,720 So for me, I just want to see. What I'm capable of Always, 1144 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,720 always something. Always something better you can 1145 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,400 do, you know, it's like if, if you've never tried, if you've 1146 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,880 never tried high intensity, low, low volume training. 1147 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,200 That's like my favorite thing right now, man. 1148 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,960 Like I love it. Like my work workout workouts 1149 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,840 are really, really short. It's great for cutting because 1150 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,360 your your volume is lower and your and and your intensity is 1151 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,400 higher obviously and so so. What's that look like? 1152 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,320 Like walk me through that. What? 1153 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,200 What's? How do you start your 1154 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,720 programming? Let's see so my, so my workout 1155 00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,800 today, it usually takes people like I would say Jill, the 1156 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,680 client that I was just talking about, actually, she has picked 1157 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,920 this up like the fastest of anybody that I've ever trained 1158 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,520 on this. But you know how in the United 1159 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,920 States, most people, most people that go to the gym just in 1160 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,760 general for hypertrophy training, do three sets of 10, 1161 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,720 four sets of 10 right of of of most exercises. 1162 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,440 My workouts are I'll spend OK, so I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll start 1163 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,960 with one, I'll start with one exercise. 1164 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,680 Here's what I did today. Started with seated seated leg 1165 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,560 extensions, right. So I picked this exercise and I 1166 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,400 did this for about four or five minutes warming up. 1167 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,760 And so my warm up sets were £0, like literally just sitting on 1168 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,440 the machine with no weight at all and just kind of going 1169 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,960 through the motion and then 45 lbs for eight reps, 90 lbs for 1170 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,080 two reps, and then 100 lbs for one Rep. 1171 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,000 So then that tells me that my working weight should be 1172 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,880 somewhere in the middle. The lightweight warm up sets, 1173 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,000 those get blood flow into my legs and, and like prepare them 1174 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,320 for the, for the range of motion. 1175 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,360 And then the heavy warm up sets stimulate my central nervous 1176 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,920 system and they let my muscles feel the heavier weight. 1177 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,600 And so there's a, there's a big mental aspect that comes into it 1178 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,920 from there. So then when you back off the 1179 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,400 weight just a little bit, you know exactly where you need to 1180 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,120 be for your one and only failure set. 1181 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,680 And you got one set. So you're just going to give it 1182 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,240 everything that you have. So I did 90 lbs. 1183 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,720 I got 20 reps off of that and then I took one plate off. 1184 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,840 And so then by now I'm at 45 lbs. 1185 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,600 I did 7 high reps, 7 full reps and then I couldn't do anymore. 1186 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,000 So I did 7 partial reps. So at that point I hit static, 1187 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,520 concentric and eccentric failure. 1188 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,000 OK, so then there's no reason that I should do another set of 1189 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,240 leg extensions. Like why? 1190 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,760 What's the point? Like they they, they are, they 1191 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,560 are gone. OK, done with that exercise, 1192 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,680 move on to the next one. Dumbbell Dumbbell Bulgarian 1193 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,120 split squats. Did 8 reps on each leg with my 1194 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,000 body weight, 3 reps on each leg with 50 lbs and then two reps on 1195 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,920 each legs on on each leg with 50 lbs plus chains. 1196 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,480 I added the chains to it to further emphasize quads. 1197 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,960 So I did 8 reps. So then for my one and only for 1198 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,960 my one and only failure set this is about 5. 1199 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,440 After 5 minutes of warming up I got 8 reps and three low 1200 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,000 partials on each leg. So I hit static, concentric and 1201 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,200 eccentric failure. So basically I followed that 1202 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:28,060 same pattern for Sissy squats, Jefferson deadlifts, banded sit 1203 00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:29,600 ups. I did the same thing with those 1204 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,720 dumbbell hamstring curls. And The only exception to that 1205 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,840 was the Super set that I did with The Walking, high bar 1206 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,640 lunges and high bar squats. That was a killer super set. 1207 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,120 So you're doing basically four sets. 1208 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,040 The first three are warm up sets, and on the third warm up 1209 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,720 set you're using pretty much the same way that you're using on 1210 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:49,520 your failure set. Yep. 1211 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,200 And. Then you go and then you go 1212 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,400 heavier than than you're going to go on your failure set. 1213 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,400 So now next time I do leg. So now next time I do seated leg 1214 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,920 extensions, I'm going to see OK I got 90 lbs for 20 reps That 1215 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:07,680 means I could either do 95 lbs for 20 reps or I could do 90 lbs 1216 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,840 for 21 reps. But man, I will have a really 1217 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,400 rough day if I after that and I'll be really pissed off the 1218 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,080 rest of the day if I don't get that 21st Rep. 1219 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,720 You know, and so. Like that's, that's how bad I 1220 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,160 want that Rep. So that's, that's, that's kind 1221 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,120 of like what's going through through through my head, my 1222 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,720 neck, my neck, my next leg day, right? 1223 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:31,040 So if I, if, if I, if, if, if, if, if I get £95 or if I get 21 1224 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,680 reps great. I know that I improved since the 1225 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,320 last time. If I get the same and I can't 1226 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,520 and, and I and I and I and I and I and I fail at 20 reps exactly. 1227 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,000 Again, if I'm cutting, I'm OK with that. 1228 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,600 If I, if I'm, if I'm in a building phase, that number has 1229 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,320 to go up. Otherwise, I don't know, it's 1230 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,840 telling me that I either need a deload week or, or, or 1231 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,440 something. But when I'm cutting that number 1232 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,480 just needs that number just needs to stay the same. 1233 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,960 And so whenever I start to lose a Rep that tells me I should 1234 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,360 probably decrease my volume a little bit more and, and, and 1235 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,960 increase the, the intensity. So that's the pattern that I 1236 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,840 have when I cut and that's the pattern that I have for 1237 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,280 everybody else's word, trying to reduce volume to as low as 1238 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,640 possible. So you're doing as little 1239 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,400 lifting as possible. But by the time that you step on 1240 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,000 stage, that last, that last couple weeks should always be 1241 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,520 mostly high reps and everything anyway, you know, you're, you're 1242 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,840 either ready to step on stage or not when you're 4 weeks out. 1243 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,680 Like Jill, I told her this morning I was like, if you, if 1244 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,080 you step on stage, if you step on stage today, I'd be proud to 1245 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,680 say that I'm your coach. And she's like, oh, I got four 1246 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,400 more weeks. I'm like, yeah, but you, you're, 1247 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,520 you're, you're, you're there. So we're at the point we're 1248 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,320 start going to do in refeeds. Nice. 1249 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,000 Nice. Kind of at the end, yeah, I've, 1250 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,800 I've been walking her through like pretty, pretty close to the 1251 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,880 way that you do it in your book. So we're basically getting to 1252 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,400 the refeed phase first. Refeed for her is just going to 1253 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,040 be 30% of everything across the board. 30% more protein, 30% 1254 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,680 more fat, 30% more sodium, 30% more potassium. 30% more carbs. 1255 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,560 No, not 30% more carbs I. Didn't think so, I just wanted 1256 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,680 to clarify. She, she is, yeah. 1257 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,440 She, she's, yeah, 'cause she's actually 0. 1258 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,080 She's actually zero carbs. So it could be 30% more carbs 1259 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,120 wouldn't wouldn't change it. Yeah, nice, man. 1260 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,200 I like it. I like it. 1261 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,480 No, she looks great and I'm excited for her. 1262 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,320 I'm excited for you. Thanks, dude. 1263 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,480 It's awesome, man. It's awesome. 1264 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,800 I love, I love talking with other coaches and other 1265 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,160 competitors and just shooting the breeze, man, because it's 1266 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,560 it's it's fun. It keeps you, keeps you going. 1267 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,840 I've got a freaking long time between my next competition. 1268 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,760 Like it may be, it may be five years before I step on stage 1269 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,400 again. Who knows? 1270 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,360 Wow. Yeah, it's a long time, but I. 1271 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,000 Honestly feel like does that, how does that, how does that not 1272 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,560 make you go crazy 'cause that's what guest posing's doing for me 1273 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,720 right now, man. I'm like, I don't know if I'm 1274 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,920 not stepping on stage once a year, I'm like, what's the point 1275 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,800 of life? It's like, it's like I need, I 1276 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,880 need to have that next goal like at least over the horizon. 1277 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,440 So it's like at least at least so I can see it, you know? 1278 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,000 I don't know, man. I think, I think for me, like I 1279 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,480 go so freaking hard when I'm in a prep that when it's over, I am 1280 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,040 totally embracing the fact that it's over. 1281 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,920 For quite yeah, I can. I can see that. 1282 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,080 But when when you were here on prep at my house, man, like you 1283 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,040 like you. I mean like you're you're you're 1284 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,880 you're definitely yourself. You're still definitely still 1285 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,720 the same Robert that that I'm that I'm used to, but I mean, 1286 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,640 there, there was part of you that kind of looked like a 1287 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,760 zombie, though, And so I'm I'm glad, I'm glad that you're I'm 1288 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,280 glad that you're feeling better. Yeah, I'm just like all 1289 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,640 businessman like like when I was at your place, like there was, I 1290 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,200 was weighing out some ground beef and like the ground beef I 1291 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,120 had was it was like what, like half an ounce short of what I 1292 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,360 needed. And so like I stole like 1/2 an 1293 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,560 ounce of your ground beef. It's like, no man, I'm hitting 1294 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,400 my numbers. I'll go to. 1295 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,000 I'll drive 30 minutes into town if I need. 1296 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,080 To Crystal. Crystal was like rolling her 1297 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,320 eyes. She was like, are you serious? 1298 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,720 Yeah, yeah. But yes, I am serious. 1299 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,440 But yeah, so I go, I go to that extreme. 1300 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:54,800 But then when it's. Over. 1301 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,040 I was happy. I was happy to contribute a bite 1302 00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,640 of the food that you ate on that prep. 1303 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,720 Hey, man, I appreciate that. It means the world means the 1304 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,800 world. But yeah, when I'm when I'm done 1305 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,640 with prep and then with the reverse, like I'm totally 1306 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,320 embracing of the fact that it's over until I'm ready to do it 1307 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,560 again. And then when I'm ready to do it 1308 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,480 again, it's like, all right, ready to get back to that degree 1309 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,080 of intensity and discipline. Because I don't, I just have 1310 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,120 that yin and Yang to it and I feel like that makes it work for 1311 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,320 me. Yeah. 1312 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,400 Yeah, I don't know, that's just me. 1313 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,040 Lots of people do things lots of different ways, man. 1314 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,680 Well, what else is in this in a pop line for you, man? 1315 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,000 You get, you get all kinds of things keeping you busy. 1316 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,320 You get the dad life, you get the entrepreneurship journey. 1317 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,320 You get the guest pose, you get the clients. 1318 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,440 What else? Anything totally unrelated 1319 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,760 that's throwing you a curveball in life? 1320 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,520 I'm playing in a rock band, yeah. 1321 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,440 What kind of what kind of genre? I mean, I guess rock, what kind 1322 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,040 of what kind of music do you get? 1323 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,040 Any samples you can play for us on the podcast? 1324 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,360 Yeah, actually, I'm going to start, I'm going to start doing 1325 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,520 original music on our podcast. So the music that is, I think I 1326 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,080 use this music like probably every other episode on the Super 1327 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,160 Set your-life.com podcast, but it's by, but it's by a really 1328 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,320 good friend of mine that I grew up with playing football. 1329 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,560 Actually, his name is, his name is Josh Walker. 1330 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,720 And so his recording label is, is Chevy Walker Music. 1331 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,040 So that's all music that he's recorded. 1332 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,080 We've been rehearsing together for a few months now with his 1333 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,600 band. He's got five new singles that 1334 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,760 were that were playing on May 5th or May 7th. 1335 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,720 I think it's it's on a, it's on a Sunday. 1336 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:28,800 Anyway. It's like the, it's like the 1337 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:34,120 first or second week of May. So it's coming up here soon, but 1338 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,440 we'll be doing five of his songs. 1339 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,720 And then we're doing some covers. 1340 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,560 We're covering a couple Green Day songs. 1341 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,840 We're covering Damn it by Blink 182. 1342 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,840 So it's it's it's it's hard. It's Hard Rock. 1343 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,280 I like it. Not for yeah. 1344 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,280 We don't not, not not a lot of, you know, elderly people 1345 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,520 particularly care for our music. So definitely the the younger 1346 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,240 crowd. Are you doing screamo stuff too 1347 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,920 or is it not so much to screamo? No, I don't scream. 1348 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:58,880 I'm I'm the bass player. That's. 1349 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,080 Nice. Was there like a place people 1350 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,920 can go like on iTunes to listen to your stuff? 1351 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,600 If you just let's, let's see, really, really I'm just kind of 1352 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,680 posting everything on Instagram. So Instagram, Instagram and 1353 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,280 Instagram podcast and YouTube all. 1354 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,640 Right Instagram podcast and YouTube. 1355 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,800 This is on your personal Instagram. 1356 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,680 Yep, yeah. Everything that I'm doing is 1357 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,800 still still focused on bodybuilding, still focused on 1358 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,600 coaching and everything, but I am working music kind of 1359 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,880 creatively into into everything that I'm doing on all my 1360 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,720 channels, yeah. Nice man. 1361 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:32,920 Well, I'm super excited about that. 1362 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,240 I am not musically inclined at all, but I really appreciate the 1363 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,280 people that are doing, you know, that are gifted in that aspect 1364 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,280 that they can, they can play, they can sing. 1365 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,440 And then just from a branding standpoint, it makes it so cool 1366 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,360 'cause you just use your own content, man. 1367 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,480 You know, yeah, Doctor Kilts really inspired me on that one, 1368 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,080 too. I mean, like to to see to see 1369 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,320 him, like to see him playing guitar and then talking and 1370 01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,920 giving nutrition advice. I'm like, wow. 1371 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,440 I mean, like, this is, I don't know, it just makes him such a 1372 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,880 cool unique influencer kind of on a different level. 1373 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,200 And, and he's especially how how much he's talking about 1374 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,480 creativity and like our need to to be creative as as a species 1375 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,400 and just how healthy that that is for your for your mind, body, 1376 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,920 spirit. Yeah. 1377 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,880 I'm kind of falling in love with music more than I ever had 1378 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,800 before. It's always, it's always been, 1379 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,040 it's always been, you know, part of my life. 1380 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,480 And it's how it's how. It's how my wife and I met so. 1381 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:34,000 I have not heard that story. Oh yeah, So Taylor and I met at 1382 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,080 Houston Washington University, but I know that you spent some 1383 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,680 time in Spokane too, right? Yeah, yeah. 1384 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:39,480 That's what I make. OK. 1385 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,400 OK, Right, right, right. OK. 1386 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,280 So Eastern Washington University is in Cheney, which is not too 1387 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,880 far from Spokane. And I used to work. 1388 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,520 At the Cheney gym, at that, at that university gym. 1389 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,520 Oh, you did, man. That's a great gym, isn't it? 1390 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,200 I've got so many good workouts in there. 1391 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,080 Yeah, dude. So that hockey rink that you 1392 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,640 see? Yeah, that, yeah, I mean, 1393 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,120 that's, I mean, I was, I was, I was on, I was, both of us were 1394 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,720 on the hockey team too. I was, I was on the, I was on 1395 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,360 the men's team and she was on the women's team. 1396 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:06,880 Very cool man. That's. 1397 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,480 Yeah, it's a, it's a fun place to play. 1398 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:15,640 So I was going into, I was going into marching band rehearsal and 1399 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,960 somebody was like, yeah, one of one of our other saxophone 1400 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,320 players was like, hey, cool. Guess what? 1401 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,760 And I was like, what? And he goes, we have two new 1402 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,880 saxophone players. And I was like, oh, cool. 1403 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,880 And he goes, yeah. And one of them is a beautiful 1404 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,480 woman. And then I said this out loud. 1405 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,360 I said, she's probably going to be my wife. 1406 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,160 So then. And then I sat. 1407 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,440 And so then I sat next year and I was like, holy crap. 1408 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,080 Yeah, I hope. I hope she does become my wife 1409 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,040 someday. Like, she's hot. 1410 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,400 And so like. And so we exchanged numbers so 1411 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,640 that for practicing and for and for and for rehearsals, which 1412 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,640 like we would have to do at some point anyway, but I don't know. 1413 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,760 It was, but it was just but an easy way to start talking to her 1414 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,920 sooner rather than later. She had a she had a boyfriend at 1415 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,120 the time that was, you know, kind of, they were kind of on 1416 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,400 the, on the on the out swing of that. 1417 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,560 And so we, we just like basically were inseparable from 1418 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,360 the moment that we met, man. Like we just had, we had, we 1419 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,160 had, we had so much in common. I just, yeah, I felt I fell in 1420 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,320 love with her and she fell. She fell in love with me and 1421 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,160 spend 11, almost 11 years now. That's awesome, man. 1422 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,360 Well, I'm super happy for both you. 1423 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,080 I think the world of both you and Taylor and both great people 1424 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,760 and Crystal and Taylor are super close. 1425 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,400 We're we're just blessed to know y'all, blessed to call y'all 1426 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,720 friends. Man, we're blessed to call. 1427 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,320 Blessed to call you all friends. Are you kidding me? 1428 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,840 I love it, man. Well, let's definitely, let's 1429 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,600 definitely link up in the not too distant future, man. 1430 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,600 I'm going to definitely hit you up and get you involved with 1431 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,520 this competition next year. But we will most certainly meet 1432 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,320 up before then. And we got to, I'm going to be 1433 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,640 out in your direction quite a bit later this year hunting. 1434 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,800 So I'll have to just swing by and we'll get a lift in 1435 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,120 together. Oh yeah, dude, go shoot a deer 1436 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,080 together or something, yeah. I'd feel about that man. 1437 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,320 Fill the freezer. Fill the. 1438 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,560 Freezer I I I know, I know all the places to go. 1439 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,680 I love it, man, I love it. Well Colt, where do people go to 1440 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:54,600 find out more about you, brother? 1441 01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:01,120 Oh man, let's see Instagram. I am at Colt Milton the Super 1442 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,080 set your-life.com podcast is our motivation and workout pod 1443 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,280 podcast. We publish every Monday and 1444 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,920 every Friday. Most of our content there is 1445 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,120 faith-based. It's we try to keep things, you 1446 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,560 know, like pretty family friendly. 1447 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,240 Yeah. Work, workout motivation and 1448 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,800 bodybuilding is what we got in that show. 1449 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,400 And then Carnivore Coaches Corner, that's our nutrition 1450 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,200 podcast. We're ranked number one in the 1451 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,520 UK for bodybuilding podcast, which is ironic because it's a 1452 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,080 nutrition podcast, but that's cool. 1453 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,120 And then other than that, just a shout out to Jill. 1454 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,720 Her Instagram is Jay. Under score, under score, 1455 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,280 Pavness PAVNESS. She's the next athlete that we 1456 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,360 have stepping on stage and I just could not be more proud of 1457 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,120 her. She's been crushing it on this 1458 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,760 prep. She's been following her program 1459 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,520 100% to the T and just that looks absolutely incredible. 1460 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,640 So that's pretty much us and and TikTok. 1461 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,240 We are at carnivore coach's corner and then YouTube is 1462 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,480 actually the oddball that's skull bells TV. 1463 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:11,720 So SKULLBELLZ, awesome man. Well, I will link out to all 1464 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,160 those. Make it easy for people to find 1465 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,840 y'all. Keep pumping out the content 1466 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,200 man. Keep making waves and stuff to 1467 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,800 keep in touch man. If there's everything I can do 1468 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:19,840 for you but you just let me know. 1469 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,040 We will certainly link up by this year. 1470 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,880 Go get a deer, stick it in the freezer, get a workout in, all 1471 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,200 that good stuff. Hey man, man, looking forward to 1472 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:27,640 it. Can't wait. 1473 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,840 See you, Cole. Take care brother. 1474 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:29,840 See you buddy.