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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes keto Savage.com. 

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And today, I've got a special 
guest, Chris rodent on the line,

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and I thoroughly thoroughly 
thoroughly enjoyed this 

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conversation. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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take something from it. 
We dived into stoicism. 

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We delved into mindset without 
into training nutrition. 

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He has a type 1 diabetic. 
He also was born with basically 

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a shortened arm and only one 
finger. 

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So he's had to overcome and 
adapt through all those 

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hardships, but that hasn't 
stopped him from being, you 

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know, an elite power. 
Lifter body. 

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Builder just all-around badass. 
So thoroughly enjoyed the 

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conversation. 
He is a wealth of knowledge and 

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he's incredibly inspirational 
and Incredibly disciplined. 

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And I've got no doubt, they will
take something from this 

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episode. 
So without further delay, a sit 

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back, relax and do a podcast 
with Chris Rutten. 

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And we are live. 
Chris, how are you man? 

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I'm good man. 
Thank you for having me. 

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Hey man, I'm excited to have you
and I'm a little bit frustrated 

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though, man. 
Because we weigh the same. 

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Wait, I just watched your 
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from 2016. 
We have the same weight and 

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you're pulling 100 pounds more 
than me. 

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And you only got one hand. 
The how the hell is that 

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happened? 
Yeah man. 

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Yeah, so it's been a it's been a
long journey to find different 

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ways to Adapt and stuff. 
But I feel like the commitment 

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over time has definitely paid 
off know for sure. 

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Man. 
I was I was looking at a few 

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videos. 
I don't really watch much 

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content from people. 
I'm bringing those. 

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I just kind of like to go into 
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Totally blind and just see what 
the conversation goes. 

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But you got a pretty inspiring 
resume, man. 

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Like, you're like, on that 
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The title of it was 
powerlifting, diabetic, seven 

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fingers, something like that. 
Like all these different things 

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you rattled off. 
So you're breaking all kinds of 

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records for more reason than 
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Yeah. 
I mean for me it was never about

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breaking records, you know it's 
just those barriers. 

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I felt like I had growing up as 
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eventually getting type 1 
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Like man there has to be more to
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being this disabled diabetic kid
and I fell in love with the gym 

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and just kind of like failing 
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understanding the concept and 
that resulted in some crazy 

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strength, inevitably pulling, 
you know, 675 which is my top 

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deadlift. 
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like Progressive overload and 
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it's therapeutic for sure. 
Now you weren't born as a type 1

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diabetic, right? 
No, I was born with a congenital

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birth defect, two fingers on my 
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and I got diagnosed with type 1.
Diabetes at 19 years old which 

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one was the bigger obstacle for 
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I would imagine by 19 you've 
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some mental resilience so that 
you kind of already had some 

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momentum. 
Going that point. 

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I wish I could agree. 
Yeah, it to different obstacles.

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Was I think just different kind 
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you will. 
I hid my disability for 17 years

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up until four years ago. 
How do you I had it been like 

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then like how does that? 
Yeah you do then. 

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Yeah I spent at least eight to 
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my pocket and I never took it 
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And then ironically I found a 
way to play drums which I'm just

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observing that competitive 
person that, you know, if you're

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walking next to an old person 
they don't know you're racing 

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but you're winning that. 
Has me like, all the time. 

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I'm always just like zoom in. 
And I'm like, how can I prove to

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myself that, you know, I'm good 
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form of like competitiveness. 
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drums, I got a fingerless gloves
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through one of the finger holes 
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And I was able to play drums for
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line, eventually set. 
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wore the glove and I were that 
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way through college. 
Until 45 years ago and people 

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like they didn't like they knew 
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Like you weren't talking about 
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They like legitimately didn't 
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of people who knew me closely 
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But I had such a kind of a fake 
confident Persona, that people 

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wouldn't dare ask you, they just
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I accepted where they thought I 
accepted, but really I was in 

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denial and avoiding like 
massively and they just never 

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brought it up. 
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And I think, And I even 
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confidence about me that I would
walk into a room, people would 

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see the glove, but immediately 
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was a taboo subject that you 
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It's interesting because like 
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high school man, middle school, 
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I was a brutal years. 
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Nobody has any. 
Medical was the worst know. 

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School was definitely the worst.
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Like at that point like nobody 
that nobody's done any like they

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don't even know who they are 
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So like you don't really have 
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You've got this Aura of like 
superficial confidence, but you 

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know, What confident people look
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So you try to emulate then and 
that's exactly a perfect way of 

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putting it. 
That's exactly what I was doing.

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Is emulating what I thought 
confidence was. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
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that like how did you cope with 
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Like what did you do that? 
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you're like? 
Okay what I'm doing right now is

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obviously not sustainable. 
This is no way to live long 

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term. 
I got it fixed Direction. 

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They got to change course and 
like in still true conference, I

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what was the Catalyst for that? 
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So I was made fun of you know, 
because of my hand, my 

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disability for the majority of 
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School specifically. 
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Crystal and I was in seventh 
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prettiest girl in my school, you
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four or five girls in my class 
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So the teacher was one of them 
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So I worked up discourage, the 
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you know, as I Oh, I'm gonna get
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and I walked up to her desk, 
I'll never forget and I turn 

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around my friends are laughing. 
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girl and she's making fun of my 
hand with a stapler, call me 

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Club boy. 
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front of the entire class, you 
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moments and I think there's a 
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It's not this disneyfication of 
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changes. 
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where I was like, oh, I'm 
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I need to hide, you know? 
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And I took that out on my mom, 
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home and just like my mom was a 
nurse and I always told her, my 

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days were great, but I was 
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Bullied, I just never said 
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You know, I lied to my mom 
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her kid being broken. 
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my parents and I remember one 
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I was like, Mom, like why did 
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Why would you do this to your 
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You help all these patients, you
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But you can't even help your own
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you even have me? 
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breakdown about that and cry. 
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apologized and I'm like, damn, 
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Like that was one of those 
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something has to change. 
You know what, what was their 

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parenting strategy like for you 
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where they did, they draw much 
awareness to it attention to it.

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Did they say? 
Hey, look, everybody is like 

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this. 
They say, look, nobody's like 

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this or they just totally not 
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Earnest to it and just kind of 
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Without it being seen as a 
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there were big on like, they 
know you were made special and I

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wanted to believe that but then 
we grew up in a super poor area,

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you know, and my parents did the
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Yeah, you know, but lots of 
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different resources, like 
churches to get food. 

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So it was, it was hard to hear 
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I'm special about that I'm being
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You know? 
So yeah, I was like man I can't 

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tell my parents. 
That they're wrong. 

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That would that would break 
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You know, they think I'm special
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through. 
I'm like, I gotta I gotta lie. 

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You know, I gotta hide this from
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them and I went into that mode 
and I think that played a huge 

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role and kind of how I am now. 
I love the leadership role 

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because I can't, I feel like I 
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protect people in my community, 
you know? 

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Yeah, for sure, man. 
So when when you were getting 

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made fun of them, Then and you 
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conversation with her. 
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Then you said that was about 
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Then you said you and you've 
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wraps until just four years ago.
You said right? 

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Yeah. 
So what was the other War some 

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other? 
Like aha moments of like okay 

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this this is we gotta switch 
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Yeah so College probably ended 
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I wouldn't think college was 
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you know and I It was fortunate 
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confidence that still I did 
everything everyone else. 

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Did I just I was struggling with
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People couldn't see ya. 
You know, it's those battles 

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that people aren't aware of, you
know, that can really weigh down

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on people. 
So I started building like a 

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Fitness business. 
I built this massive like 

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Fitness business as I was in 
school for exercise science, and

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I started getting all these 
clients and doing online clients

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at a certain point. 
I work, It up. 

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So like over 100 clients 
worldwide and it was incredible 

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but I was still battling this 
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You know, I started speaking on 
overcoming adversity and I found

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that my true passion and that, 
you know, and even as I was 

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powerlifting, I started getting 
in powerlifting because I wanted

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to lift heavy weights, but I was
still had in my hand. 

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I always wore gloves, you know, 
and you'll see some of my older 

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videos. 
I'm still wearing the glove 

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breaking records, you know, hmm.
And I didn't need the glove, I 

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just needed the hook, but it 
kind of became Thing, because 

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that's what I hidden. 
I'll never forget though, as I 

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was speaking. 
I started building my career 

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fairly fast and found my passion
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I was speaking at this event at 
his Disney Resort. 

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And there's like, 2,000 people 
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and all this. 
And I'd spent the day with this 

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girl named Maddie. 
She was like eight years old, 

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should just got diagnosed with 
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And we're walking down this long
hallway and my entire life, I 

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hid my hand, you know I would 
walk on certain side so people 

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didn't see it or talk about it. 
It just, I avoided it, you know,

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and I created every every step 
in my life was based on hiding 

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my hand. 
If I was going to the door, how 

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is that going to grab the 
doorknob and turn so that you 

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couldn't see? 
You know, I that was my life, 

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strategically planned to the 
step and I remember walking down

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this hallway with this girl, and
we're just walking down. 

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She's on my left side, which is 
already weird and she grabs my 

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hand over my glove. 
And she's just swinging it super

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happy and smiling. 
I'm tense. 

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Like if you stepped on Ice, that
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Yeah. 
And she looked at me and she's 

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like, it's okay, you don't have 
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hear me speak, but she's the 
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you know, that's pretty cool 
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Like, the, I was one of those 
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The brutal honesty of children 
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It's hard to quantify, man. 
It's just powerful. 

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It's, I think it's the most 
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experience, you know. 
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If you ever make some food, you 
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good your to a kid. 
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It's very true, man. 
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Chad, he lost his. 
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whole right hand. 
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woodworker. 
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with a at a sawmill or 
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this shit. 
Now, without a hand without his 

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right hand, he was right hand 
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does all this really ornate wood
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Like it's crazy. 
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something and I realize how much
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and I mean, I can't do anything.
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this, like, your whole life 
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it, it's like you just adapt and
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able to adapt and overcome is 
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have all the appendages and 
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of excuses. 
As to why they can't do X Y or 

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Z. 
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anything. 
You set your mind to, it's 

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really about the narrative. 
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again disability, does it exist?
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I can't. 
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my diabetes you know, but what I
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worse, you know. 
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time to learn that man, the 
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really, set up our lives and 
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I'm like, unfortunately, it is 
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because it takes work, but it is
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narrative you have inside your 
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narrative, that's on you, you 
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victim blaming thing that's 
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is also responsive ability. 
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quality of life, but it's coming
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So how do you start to switch 
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How do you start to change that?
So that you're kind of winning 

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the story in your head, which is
where you live all day everyday 

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for your entire life. 
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Like your perception is your 
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And I feel like, I don't know. 
I got really big into stoic 

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mentalities. 
Auntie. 

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Same here. 
I'm so glad you said that I that

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changed my life - oh for sure, 
man, like I started reading, I 

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think my first introduction to 
it was Ryan holidays, the book, 

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The obstacle after obstacle is 
the way you same here. 

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Oh my God, I think they're from 
Tim Ferriss and like he's doing 

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a lot of recommendations but 
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that was the start of everything
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Yeah. 100% man. 
So we're two Kindred Spirits 

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here. 
I think I probably learned of 

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Ryan through Tim Ferriss or 
something like that. 

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Isn't a whole bunch of Tim 
Ferriss podcast back in like 

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2004 In 2015. 
And then I some of the pain Run 

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Holiday read. 
His book obstacles the way. 

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And man, I literally listen to 
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Repeat, whenever I'm going 
through hardship now we are the 

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same person and definitely the 
same person from Ryan holiday, 

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all his books, but definitely 
obstacles away. 

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And ego is enemy and then gotten
to Marcus Aurelius meditations, 

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some of Seneca stuff. 
I actually have Seneca is 

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staying on my wall. 
We often suffer an imagination 

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more than we do reality. 
Nice man. 

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I liked it. 
So, once you get me before you 

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found, philosophy 40 pounds, 
stoic mentality. 

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Like like I feel like stoicism 
is like a road map, like you, no

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matter how bad the shit is in 
your surrounding. 

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Like if you adopt a stoic, you 
know, framework to it. 

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It's like okay, people have gone
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Let's be realistic here. 
Let's let's let's optimize what 

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we can control and the things 
that we can't then it's not 

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worth the mental bandwidth, you 
know. 

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Like like yeah simply have 
Direction. 

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Whereas before that it's really 
easy to point. 

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The finger have this woe is me. 
Victim mentality. 

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Oh yeah. 
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before I found that I don't 
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think my parents even know what 
socialism is, but they raised me

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in a very stoic manner. 
So I was able to kind of have a 

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lot of that. 
Just, you know, bread into me. 

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But I can't imagine going 
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or with something and not having
some sense of recourse, if I, 

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okay, this is So within my 
control, I, when you adopt this 

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extreme ownership mentality 
towards at all, even though it's

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very hard, there's a lot of Hope
because you feel like there's a 

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solution to it. 
I'll wear as opposed to if you 

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don't have that, hope if you 
don't feel like you have the 

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power, then then it's like easy 
to let the world swallow you up 

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and spit you out. 
Oh, for sure. 

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And I mean the, the hard part is
growing up as a kid. 

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No middle schoolers. 
But is going to say, I need to 

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develop a system 
philosophically, so I can get 

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through it. 
Just me looking back. 

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I wish but I feel like people go
one of two ways they go into 

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blaming and trying to figure out
the whys of everything. 

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Like, if I sit here, if I sat 
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why was I born with a 
disability? 

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Why do I have type 1 diabetes? 
Yyyyy, what is that gonna do for

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me at this point? 
You know, other than curiosity 

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what it will serve. 
No purpose own better, my 

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current life, it won't change my
disability or my diabetes. 

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It'll do nothing for me, the 
other way that If when you don't

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have a system, is the way I went
which is neither good nor bad 

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and arguably almost worse. 
I numbed everything out, I 

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became a pathetic and I tried to
run away from everything with 

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anything that I could wrong. 
People wrong things. 

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I tried to hide from the emotion
that I refuse to face and a lot 

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of us do that. 
We tend to go through stuff and 

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we say it's not a big deal. 
When we know we feel it's a big 

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deal and we don't address it. 
We avoid it, we hide it under 

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the rug and it becomes a mess. 
A lump under the rug and you 

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everyone sees it, but no one 
says anything, you know, and 

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that's what I did for a long 
time before I understood the art

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of stoicism and more. 
So, domesticating emotion, not 

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avoiding. 
It, not pretending like, it 

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doesn't exist, but learning to 
control it. 

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So it doesn't control you. 
That was a huge shift in how I 

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live my life. 
And that is like the the 

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quintessential antidote for You 
know, moving past that 

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superficial level of confidence 
like true conference. 

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Like if you have true in your 
toolkit then like, literally the

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world can throw anything at you 
and you're not really unsettled 

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by it. 
Yeah, because you understand 

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that, like, I can only control 
what's in my wheelhouse which is

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my thoughts and my reactions. 
You know, I can't I can't use 

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stoicism to get rid of my 
disability or my disease. 

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But what I can use it for is to 
make sure that the quality of 

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life I have with those 
conditions. 

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I never asked for doesn't get 
affected. 

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By what happens in life, you 
know, and people like, oh well, 

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if you start thinking like 
preparing for the worst, 

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stoicism talks about that, you 
know, preparing for bad things 

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or, you know, o controlled 
pessimism. 

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So to speak, I always prepare 
for good things and bad things 

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and be like, oh, that's a 
negative way of life. 

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I'm like, let me ask you this 
question. 

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Do you have a spare tire on your
car? 

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Because if so, you're doing the 
same thing is I'm what I'm 

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doing, you know? 
Yeah, for sure and it's like, 

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like when you have this the 
obstacles, the way kind of using

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that title. 
Again, I mean like, Do you 

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become so like what you see the 
hardship and things as simply a 

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stepping stone for the greater 
good, like you love public 

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speaking'? 
Be my motivational speaker. 

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You could probably do a great 
job doing that. 

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If it weren't for your hand, 
like, if you were born without 

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that then you probably still be 
doing it. 

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But that's like the Catalyst 
that made that trajectory of 

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your life will become more 
pronounced, you know. 

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Yeah, and that's what I like 
about. 

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Just kind of my I thought 
process now is my disability is 

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either viewed, especially in the
public eye because like I built 

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a large social, following, all 
this stuff people Ivo. 

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See, your disability is a 
stepping stone to success. 

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It's a good thing or people with
disabilities are bad thing and 

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I'm like, all of these 
descriptors aren't even real 

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because my disability is just 
the disability. 

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That's all it is. 
Yeah, anything more to, that 

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story is what we decide to add 
to it. 

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And it's our, it's our 
narrative, our storytelling, you

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know, there's what In stores in 
the story, We Tell ourselves 

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about what happens to us. 
And often we like food, we over 

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season and we wonder why it 
tastes bad. 

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That's what I did for the 
majority of my life. 

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I told myself disability is 
synonymous with broken weak, 

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useless, helpless, and how many 
of us end up doing these kind of

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things. 
We tell ourselves a story about 

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what we're going through and we 
make it worse almost to the 

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point of where like a movie 
produced and we're making this 

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incredible movie about this 
terrible character which is us 

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and we're telling ourselves this
depressing story and it's like 

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Wow, why are we still good at 
making this awful narrative and 

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what happens if we use that 
narrative building skills for 

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something that would improve the
quality of life and not detract 

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from it 100% man hundred 
percent. 

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I'm assuming you probably hadn't
stumbled upon stoicism about 

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time. 
You were 19 and we're diagnosed 

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type 1. 
Diabetes are right? 

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Yeah. 
Around that. 

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It was really around like, 
2012-2013 I was just about to 

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graduate college but I had 
always had this like kind of 

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Drive factor. 
I was in school. 

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For exercise science but I was 
still getting specialization. 

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That was working as a trainer 
way before any of these kids in 

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my class because I wanted to get
out there. 

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You know, like taking tests was 
cool and all but like I wanted 

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to make money, you know. 
I wanted to, I grew up poor. 

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I was like, I got to be 
different. 

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I gotta, I can't be a broke 
disabled, diabetic kid, you 

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know, that has to be more. 
So I really push the envelope 

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and I loved the building of 
businesses to solve other 

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people's problems for sure. 
Man, the would you get in like a

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lot of pushback like When you 
were doing like the online 

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coaching were you, I'd to people
that will work with you around 

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the world that they know that 
you have a disability or where 

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they do. 
Yeah, I think that's what 

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attracted them to me because 
they knew I had the ability to 

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problem-solve, you know, and 
they saw that I was building my 

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physique even with, you know, 
something that most people would

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consider a hardship. 
So they're like, well, if he can

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do it, I can do it. 
And I don't really like that 

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philosophy because it's kind of 
like saying people with 

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disabilities are less than, you 
know. 

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Yeah. 
So it's like if you're If a 

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broken person can do it, then I 
can definitely do it. 

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It's, it's not like that, you 
know, it's like if this person 

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has found ways to do it, then 
other people can find ways to do

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it. 
And that's what it comes down to

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is reducing it to humanity. 
At a sense of we all possess, 

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the ability to adapt to our 
shortcomings, to our behaviors 

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habits abilities. 
There's always something we can 

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do. 
And if you can't do something, 

451
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,500
it was never your problem to 
solve in the first place. 

452
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,400
Yeah, I like that. 
When it comes to the fitness 

453
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,300
goals, like your personal 
fitness goals, like, Building 

454
00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,800
muscle getting stronger, getting
all that down then, which of the

455
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,200
two was harder for that was it. 
Was it? 

456
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,000
The man, the hand, or the 
diabetes when it comes to just 

457
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,400
simply building your physique, 
the definitely it mixture of 

458
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000
both. 
But I wanted to be a bodybuilder

459
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,500
originally because I love the 
magazines and I saw that and 

460
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,300
there was the competitiveness to
because people told me I 

461
00:22:14,308 --> 00:22:17,000
couldn't, you know, how can you 
be a bodybuilder when it's a 

462
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,400
cemetry based competition and 
I'm asymmetrical, you know, no 

463
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,100
amount of positive thinking is 
going to change my Cemetery, but

464
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,300
I also didn't accept that. 
So I was like, there has to be 

465
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:29,800
something and I noticed, you 
know, at the gym, no one really 

466
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,300
knew how to train people with 
disabilities, so I found ways, I

467
00:22:33,308 --> 00:22:36,600
built a hook. 
I did whatever I could to train 

468
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,000
a little bit extra on one side 
and it used the principles. 

469
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,200
I was learning Progressive 
overload, you know, volume, but 

470
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,300
applying that to specific Force 
angles with my left side. 

471
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,900
And I don't this physique and in
the process of wanting to be a 

472
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:52,000
bodybuilder, I got strong. 
So then I started competing in 

473
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,400
powerlifting. 
One, my first competition and I 

474
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,600
did seven or eight competitions 
after that one. 

475
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,300
Almost every single one of them 
and got to the point where, you 

476
00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:05,900
know, I squatted 615, identidad,
675 and bench, 385 where I just 

477
00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:08,800
balance the bar on my residual, 
limb on my left hand and people 

478
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,800
were freaked out, but I was able
to compete. 

479
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,600
You know, and the disability 
definitely presented a lot of 

480
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,700
cases where I had to learn 
biomechanics to understand how 

481
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:23,000
to lift. 
Yeah, diabetes though is random.

482
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,700
You know, my disability is very 
predictable. 

483
00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:28,300
I'm about to do a pull-up, I 
know I need to get my hook. 

484
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,500
I know I need to adjust for the 
height difference in my arms. 

485
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:34,500
Then I'm good to go diabetes, 
though, you have perfect days, 

486
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:36,200
then you can have not perfect 
days. 

487
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,700
You're about to do have a PR, 
you know, you're about to lift 

488
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:42,000
really heavy and your blood 
sugar is tanking. 

489
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,200
You know, you continuous glucose
monitor. 

490
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,900
If you have one is letting, you 
know, hey, in the next 10 

491
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:49,300
minutes, you're going to be an 
emergency scenario. 

492
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:53,000
And then the data shows us that,
you know, for 48 hours. 

493
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:57,500
Severe hypoglycemic event, Your 
maximal Capacity to produce 

494
00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:00,600
force is reduced so I'm like 
wait my program is calling for 

495
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,300
90% you know, but now the 
glucose situation my blood 

496
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:08,500
glucose is affected that was the
Nightmare and lucky. 

497
00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:12,900
I had Tech to help me but like 
it it was definitely difficult. 

498
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Yeah, that that is like a, that 
is a chess set all at once 

499
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,800
there, when it comes to like 
management diabetes with you, 

500
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,300
lifting like that. 
Like what are you Like 

501
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:27,300
nutritionally speaking. 
Yeah so I've done a lot of 

502
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,800
different tactics and it depends
on where I'm at in my training 

503
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,300
cycle. 
So right now I've really took it

504
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:34,700
a step back. 
This is one of those weird 

505
00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:38,200
things you never expect to say 
but I accomplished a lot of my 

506
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,700
goals man. 
You know I hit these crazy 

507
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,200
numbers with powerlifting and I 
accomplished that 675 deadlift 

508
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,400
which is my main goal and then I
always want to do a bodybuilding

509
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,300
competition. 
So I spent another year training

510
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:51,100
for that. 
I did my first bodybuilding 

511
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:55,100
competition and I won I'm like, 
damn, what do you do? 

512
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:56,800
After you accomplish all those 
goals that you thought you'd 

513
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,300
never get to, you know, and for 
for like a year or so, since 

514
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:05,600
then I I want to think last 
year, I've just been kind of 

515
00:25:05,608 --> 00:25:08,300
hanging out, you know, and 
enjoying the process of just 

516
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:11,200
enjoying the gym. 
Again without having is looming 

517
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,200
goal, you know, but I just, I 
love being able to be in this 

518
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,100
position of balancing my diet. 
So, when I'm in pre-competition,

519
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:25,500
definitely lower carb. 
And a little higher protein and 

520
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:29,700
I like to balance it that way, 
I'll do a few no carb days to 

521
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:31,800
help offset the calories 
throughout the week. 

522
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:37,300
On my moderate like, maintenance
phase, I'll do pretty moderate 

523
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,600
carbs. 
I never usually go over 200 

524
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,000
carbs, just because I found 
that's the sweet spot for my 

525
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,700
bulking like gaining size face, 
but anything past that my blood 

526
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,500
sugar's a little hard to deal 
with, but that's me. 

527
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,900
Personally, I know people that 
go up to 600 and O people that 

528
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,300
stay keto the entire I'm, you 
know, so it's more. 

529
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:58,700
So like what works for me at the
time and if I want to have super

530
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,900
easy to manage blood sugars, I 
usually go pretty low carb. 

531
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:05,300
Well, I watch your salt clip of 
you at the bodybuilding 

532
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:07,900
competition like Peak Week man, 
like you were freaking dialed 

533
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,100
in. 
Oh yeah, I was out super 

534
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,600
shredded down. 
Yeah, it was crazy. 

535
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,800
Yeah, that that is like I'm 
doing a prep I'm starting my 

536
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,100
prep next week actually and 
there's like, like people that 

537
00:26:19,108 --> 00:26:21,900
have never done a bodybuilding 
show, there's a lot of adverse 

538
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,700
that goes in with that, it 
Because it's like a lot. 

539
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,500
It's like when you when you 
break it apart it's all really, 

540
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,100
you know, simple stuff. 
It's not easy, but it's simple 

541
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:34,300
like, it's not like, yeah, you 
know, anybody can have a 

542
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,200
rockstar day at the gym and you 
making have a rockstar daily 

543
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,300
nutrition. 
But to do so consistently 

544
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:44,000
without deviation for four, 
five, six, seven months, at a 

545
00:26:44,008 --> 00:26:45,500
time. 
That's where it gets challenging

546
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,500
+1, having a rock star six 
months. 

547
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,100
Is that that that part that you 
know, those moments where you're

548
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,100
kind of on autopilot and you're 
like you know I got to do my My 

549
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:58,300
30 45, 60 minutes of cardio and 
today's a lower carb day, and 

550
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,000
I'm not feeling it. 
I don't want to, but you got to,

551
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,200
anyways, it's those 
conversations that you just, you

552
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,500
don't. 
That's my biggest thing. 

553
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,000
People always ask me, it drives 
me nuts. 

554
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400
They're like, how do you stay so
motivated? 

555
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,800
I'm like, I don't like, what do 
you mean? 

556
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,500
Like I literally want to watch 
Netflix and lay on my back all 

557
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,500
day. 
I don't want to do this stuff. 

558
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,200
I don't want to do cardio for 
6090 minutes and want to do any 

559
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,800
of this. 
I want to eat chicken. 

560
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:28,200
You know, I want a fat steak, 
it's not about motivation, it's 

561
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,100
about discipline, you know, like
how do you develop the 

562
00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:33,200
discipline to do stuff? 
You need to do even when you 

563
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800
don't feel like doing it. 
It's not a matter of motivation,

564
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,700
it's a matter of commitment. 
So on that note, it since funny 

565
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:42,900
man and you'll get this 
reference since you read learn 

566
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,400
holiday, but my Manifesto, I do 
it Manifesto every year. 

567
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,400
So this year is Manifesto is 
discipline as Destiny after his 

568
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,200
latest book and I feel like for 
people like you and I People 

569
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,900
that listen to this podcast that
are of the same breed. 

570
00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:00,500
Like the issue is not really. 
How do you stay motivated or 

571
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,600
stay disciplined to do it? 
But that's just kind of like the

572
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,300
default. 
That's just kind of what we do. 

573
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,800
We weren't born like that, but 
we've become built like that. 

574
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,600
I just what we do, the hard part
becomes, how do you know when 

575
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,000
to, you know, turn it off or 
push the pause button, like 

576
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,500
return to some degree of 
normalcy for everybody else's 

577
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:22,800
sake and your own sake but then 
not let that become not that it 

578
00:28:22,808 --> 00:28:24,600
would. 
Become you wouldn't linger in 

579
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,700
that realm for too long. 
But how do you know when it's 

580
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,600
the point of okay, I should push
the pause, but I should actually

581
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200
kick my feet up and relax for 
like an afternoon and not feel 

582
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000
guilty about it. 
Thing is like how do you relax 

583
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,000
and not feel guilty? 
That's what I struggle with man,

584
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,100
and this is something that like,
I feel. 

585
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:44,100
So out of place in my my world 
among like entrepreneurship and 

586
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:48,400
stuff, I've built like a really 
successful career in terms of 

587
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400
public speaking. 
That guy's a keynote speaker. 

588
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:52,900
I've gotten my my dream car on 
my dream. 

589
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,800
A place like I'm doing some big 
gigs that are like crazy and 

590
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,400
people value my time and I feel 
like I've really made it, you 

591
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,700
know? 
And from financially to business

592
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,900
goals to like, we're just what 
I've done. 

593
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600
But I am not like a lot of these
people because maybe it's 

594
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,200
because I went to therapy, you 
know, maybe it's because I 

595
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,600
trusted their best to work on 
some of these issues, but I have

596
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,200
such good work-life balance and 
most people in my position will 

597
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,500
not say that. 
Yeah, I don't feel guilty when I

598
00:29:19,508 --> 00:29:23,700
take time off anymore, you know,
I used to but I've come to 

599
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:25,300
understand like what I was 
chased out. 

600
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,800
Chasing money. 
I was chasing business. 

601
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,500
I was chasing physiques all of 
that. 

602
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,800
The the main goal was quality of
life. 

603
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,700
Hmm. 
You know, so in the pursuit of 

604
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,400
all these topical things, these 
superficial things, I was, I 

605
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,800
wanted those things to have 
quality of life, but in the 

606
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,500
pursuit of them, I was reducing 
my quality of life to trying to 

607
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:46,500
get the things that I thought 
would give me quality of life 

608
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:50,100
and it didn't make sense. 
You know, I heard someone say, 

609
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,800
the desire for happiness is a 
negative experience. 

610
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,900
And that really had that weight 
on me heavily, the desire for 

611
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,800
happiness is a negative 
experience. 

612
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,200
The wanting of something you 
don't have is - and I was like, 

613
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,000
damn how crazy is that? 
We're constantly carrot on the 

614
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,300
stick mentality as entrepreneurs
or as people who are driven, you

615
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,200
want something you want to, you 
want you want, you want the 

616
00:30:11,208 --> 00:30:13,600
disease, you want the business, 
you want the money, you want the

617
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,400
listeners? 
You want. 

618
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,700
All of these things, you want. 
All these things, you don't 

619
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,000
have. 
So you're left in a state. 

620
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:22,500
Eight of wanting, which is 
always a lack of fulfillment. 

621
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:26,100
Mmm, it's exhausting. 
So of course, you feel guilty 

622
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,900
for not doing something that 
you're already, not fulfilled 

623
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:31,800
with. 
But imagine if we'll take this, 

624
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,900
imagine if you're on this 
podcast right now, you and I 

625
00:30:33,908 --> 00:30:36,000
were talking in, this is 
everything we need. 

626
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:39,800
We have full contentment and we 
are just in the moment and we 

627
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800
enjoy everything about it. 
Not think about all the other 

628
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,800
things we need to do. 
We have demonized the word 

629
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,800
contentment to mean Dad or lazy.
Yeah. 

630
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,500
Yeah, I don't think us. 
What man is this crazy? 

631
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:55,100
I don't think it's him is bad. 
Think like I like Place via 

632
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,800
content. 
I don't like the idea of being 

633
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,200
complacent and I don't like the 
idea of being satisfied, 

634
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:01,900
satisfied. 
You can kind of give and take 

635
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:05,000
depend on how you frame that but
I think contentment is not a bad

636
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,700
thing at all. 
I feel like a lot of people 

637
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,800
especially like entrepreneurs 
business people athletes like 

638
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,400
they have a hard time 
understanding. 

639
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,800
What is enough like for you? 
What is the, what is the word 

640
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,700
enough mean? 
And yet for me enough I got I 

641
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,900
reached enough at the beginning 
of last year. 

642
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,100
Yeah. 
I hit some financial goals and 

643
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,900
some personal goals that I've 
always wanted and I was like, 

644
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,300
wow, this is great and I have a 
few friends who are in the 

645
00:31:31,308 --> 00:31:34,600
entrepreneurial space so I but 
man if you tripled your output 

646
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,300
right now, you could, you could 
do so much. 

647
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,600
I'm like, you're right, I could,
but I don't need to. 

648
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,600
Yeah, I was like, I stopped 
waving the carrot on the stick 

649
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
and I just grabbed her care. 
And I was like, damn, I like 

650
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,600
this. 
This is nice right now. 

651
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,500
Can I push it at any time? 
Absolutely. 

652
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,000
Um, I'm still working on stuff. 
Absolutely. 

653
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,500
We but I really value my time 
with my girlfriend. 

654
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,900
You know, I really value my time
in the gym. 

655
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,700
I really value being able to 
take in what I'm doing and be on

656
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,800
this podcast and just enjoy this
process without trying to rush 

657
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,400
to do the next thing I've really
valued being present and that's 

658
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400
helped my diabetes. 
It's helped my mental States 

659
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,300
helped my business, you know, 
and my relationship. 

660
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:17,200
So, the three factors in life 
for everyone, I feel like in my 

661
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,900
personal opinion are Health 
wealth and happiness. 

662
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,000
You know, happiness is like 
crossing the finish line, so 

663
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,800
you're not going to constantly 
cross Finish Lines. 

664
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:28,200
So I like to talk about 
contentment, if you're not 

665
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800
content, a majority of the time 
like content and what you're 

666
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000
doing, even if you're pursuing 
the goal, you're relaxing. 

667
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Are you do you experience 
contentment? 

668
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,100
And if you don't, when is that 
ever going to happen? 

669
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,400
Is it conditional like do you 
have to get get 2x to 

670
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400
experience? 
Why? 

671
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,800
I just don't want my life to be 
conditional anymore? 

672
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,800
You know, I lived 20 years of my
life. 

673
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800
That way. 
So prior to this past year where

674
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,700
you kind of reach that point of 
enough like was your what you 

675
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,900
able to kind of like find 
pockets of contentment you know 

676
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:00,600
in that Journey or was it pretty
much just like your head down 

677
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
and grinding up until reaching 
that point. 

678
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,400
It was head down grinding and 
anytime I'll be super honest and

679
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,000
I don't think I've ever said 
this before, I did a TV show at 

680
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,600
the Rock, You Know, Titan games 
and that was incredible, but 

681
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400
even being on the show, all I 
could think about is what else I

682
00:33:17,408 --> 00:33:20,100
had to do. 
Oh yeah, you know and I was like

683
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,200
looking back. 
I'm like man, I loved that 

684
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,800
experience. 
But like I was still in the head

685
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,100
space of nothing isn't no. 
Satisfaction is the death of 

686
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:32,000
Desire that used to be my 
favorite saying and I don't 

687
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,200
think that's true anymore. 
Man. 

688
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400
I don't think satisfaction is 
the death of Desire, the lack of

689
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,000
effort to death. 
You know of desired doing 

690
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,300
something like, you can still 
put effort, you can be satisfied

691
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,400
and still put effort into what 
you want to do. 

692
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,700
No, why do we have this black? 
And white Narrative of, you 

693
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,300
know, if I'm satisfied, then 
nothing will ever be good. 

694
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:57,300
I love being satisfied with 
where I'm at in the process of 

695
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,100
pursuing more. 
I love that. 

696
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:02,400
Yeah, I like that a lot. 
I feel like effort is the great 

697
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,100
equalizer in life. 
Like there's, you know, pros and

698
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,200
cons everything. 
There's different degrees of 

699
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,199
output but just simply putting 
forth. 

700
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,199
Effort is like the thing that 
you have the most tangible 

701
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,199
impact on. 
Yeah. 

702
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,900
And I mean you're in control of 
the intensity of effort to 

703
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,600
because hundred percent effort 
is not the same effort every day

704
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,800
if you're sick. 100% effort is 
very different than 100 percent 

705
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,199
effort on your best bet, but the
hundred percent part is relative

706
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,300
to each moment. 
Are you giving the effort that 

707
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:34,300
you can or that you should 
towards what, you know, you need

708
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,300
to do that? 
No one can take away from you. 

709
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,699
No one can affect that. 
That is no one else's 

710
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000
responsibility. 
You can't blame her finger point

711
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,300
effort to anyone else. 
I like them and so I totally 

712
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:48,699
agree. 
You mentioned like the three 

713
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,400
keys to happiness. 
I said, this last week on a 

714
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,600
podcast, like people, you look 
at people and they have like, a 

715
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:58,100
relationships used happiest, 
hate relationships, and then 

716
00:34:58,100 --> 00:34:59,600
health, and wealth. 
Like those three things. 

717
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,700
You look at a lot of the Uber 
successful people. 

718
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,200
They have all the money in the 
world, but their health is in 

719
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,000
disarray and the relationships 
are on the Rocks. 

720
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,400
Like, oh, yeah. 
It seems very scarce to see some

721
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,300
of the has all three of those 
primary things in a pretty good 

722
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,800
standing. 
But I'm I'm so content with all 

723
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,600
three of those things and it's 
wild in, I have a friend who I 

724
00:35:20,607 --> 00:35:23,400
talked to all the time and he's 
constantly gathering at how do I

725
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,700
get there? 
How do I get there? 

726
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:27,400
I'm like, man, you are there, 
you're just not accepting that 

727
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,400
you're there. 
You know, you are there like you

728
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
have if you have the 
relationship that you're 

729
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,900
building whether it's with your 
friends, your family, or a 

730
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:39,000
significant other or even your 
dog, you know? 

731
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,700
Like yeah you have everything 
you need to be content right 

732
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,900
now. 
Now and if the first thing you 

733
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:50,800
say to me saying that is but you
are looking for excuses to 

734
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,500
validate your misery or validate
your lack of happiness, you 

735
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,800
know, and you don't need me for 
that. 

736
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,500
You don't need me for that 
conversation because I'm not 

737
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:59,900
trying to take that away from 
you. 

738
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,900
It's not protecting me. 
What do you think of when people

739
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,100
like when people have this 
rags-to-riches story, so to 

740
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:13,800
speak and they the thought and 
the the perception and the 

741
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,400
memory of misery is what drives 
them to be more than that. 

742
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,300
But then you reach that point 
that is more than that. 

743
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,400
But it's almost like that desire
for Breaking Free of that world 

744
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,400
is what drove them in the first 
place. 

745
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,900
Like the like, you know, in like
the That I think Seneca was the 

746
00:36:33,908 --> 00:36:36,400
one to bet he would once a month
or something like that. 

747
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,600
He would live on the streets, 
you know, not having him as blah

748
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,400
blah, I live for yeah. 
Poor said he can maintain that 

749
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,000
hunger. 
Like how do you juggle that? 

750
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,000
I think it's important to 
recognize what your drivers are,

751
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,300
because if your driver is solely
pain of the past, which for me 

752
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:57,800
awhile, it was eventually you're
gonna outgrow that and then if 

753
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,300
you no longer have pain, do you 
lose all your effort? 

754
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:04,200
Do you lose all your drive? 
It's like anything it takes 

755
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,400
reassessment, you know, you have
to reassess what your drivers 

756
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,000
are and understand if you're 
doing the work to get to your 

757
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,900
goals, you should probably have 
some sort of plan that once you 

758
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,600
get to that goal, what are you 
going to do next? 

759
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,800
What's your driver going to be? 
Then, you know, if it's 

760
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:21,000
flexible, you're great, but if 
it's rigid in the sense of 

761
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,800
you're trying to escape 
something that's not working 

762
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,300
towards a great quality of life 
that's running away from a fear.

763
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,800
Yeah, you know, if you're if 
you're solely based in fear, I 

764
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,700
think fear. 
Be an amazing motivator. 

765
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,400
When contained, if you do not 
again, what we talked about in 

766
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,500
stoicism, if you don't 
domesticate your emotion to your

767
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,200
being one of them, you're going 
to be run by it. 

768
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,900
And a lot of, I see a lot of 
entrepreneurs and people run by 

769
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:49,500
the fear of past, the fear of 
money, the fear of being broker 

770
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,100
the fear of something. 
And while that can be a good 

771
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:57,000
tool, if you get overrun by the 
tool, you're not using the tool 

772
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,700
the tool has using you. 
So I like to maintain control of

773
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,900
my life in the best way 
possible, which is Understanding

774
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:06,300
my reasons assessing you know my
awareness of what I'm currently 

775
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,000
going through and how I'm 
reacting to see if that's 

776
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,700
relevant to the life. 
I want to live like them. 100% 

777
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,100
man. 
What's got you excited now? 

778
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:19,600
Like what when you reach this 
point of like contentment and 

779
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,400
contentment and what you've 
accomplished? 

780
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,700
What what drives is there? 
Like something on the horizon or

781
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,400
is it more? 
So a matter of you just want to 

782
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,900
soak up every little moment of 
your present being There's a 

783
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,300
few, a few drivers. 
I think there's long-term and 

784
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:39,900
like short-term present drivers 
like I'm in the process of 

785
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,600
moving right now. 
So I'm taking this podcast for 

786
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,000
my brother's house and got to 
see my dog that I haven't seen 

787
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,400
in a little while like that was 
so I enjoyed that so much being 

788
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,700
able to see my dog, you know? 
And I feel like that level of 

789
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:58,100
Simplicity and contentment and 
happiness scares entrepreneurs 

790
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,900
because they're afraid of being 
satisfied. 

791
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:01,900
They're afraid of being too, 
calm. 

792
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,500
Being too like simple, but it 
has to be big. 

793
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:08,200
If it doesn't have thickened 
zeros behind, it doesn't matter.

794
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,000
You know, we we kind of 
invalidate all the other little 

795
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,900
happy moment. 
So that short-term drivers for 

796
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:17,500
me or just like regular life 
stuff, man, having a great gym 

797
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:22,400
day, you know, eating on plan 
and accomplishing a task seeing 

798
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,200
my girlfriend, you know, happy 
can be the simplest stuff, you 

799
00:39:27,207 --> 00:39:30,300
know, long-term drivers, I still
have my business goals, you 

800
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,000
know, I'm in the process of 
developing. 

801
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:36,500
Speaker coach program to help 
people, become more effective 

802
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:38,000
speakers. 
But at the same time, build a 

803
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600
speaking business to get to some
of the level of success that 

804
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,200
I've been fortunate enough to 
experience. 

805
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,500
And I kind of had to pave the 
way for myself. 

806
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:48,500
So that's a huge driver for me, 
because I'd love to be the 

807
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:52,000
person that helps other 
speakers, especially in 

808
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000
marginalized communities become 
a voice for their community and 

809
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,700
to get paid from it. 
So that's a, that's a big 

810
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:00,600
motivator for me, looking 
forward. 

811
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,900
I think I eventually want to go 
back into To somebody real and 

812
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:07,500
stuff might want to go pro but 
overall man, I'm just super 

813
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:12,200
happy with how everything's 
turned out and I'll own up to my

814
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000
responsibilities which is I'm 
really happy with the decisions 

815
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,800
I made around everything that's 
happened and the decisions I've 

816
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,400
made that got me to this point 
right now. 

817
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,800
Yeah, now let that men when it 
comes to speaking. 

818
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,100
Like what when did you start 
speaking like as a profession? 

819
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:34,700
I started speaking probably five
years ago and I knew I wanted to

820
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,800
speak. 
Like I've always been in good 

821
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,000
good in front of people, you 
know, kind of socially awkward 

822
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,900
sometimes and more of an 
introvert. 

823
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,700
But when I'm on stage, I feel 
like I performed best because in

824
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:48,400
crowds, I felt weird. 
But on stage, I felt like it was

825
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,100
just me. 
And I could, I can control that,

826
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:55,100
you know, So I got invited to 
speak at a buddies nonprofit and

827
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,900
I'd never spoke before, but I 
just wanted to help out. 

828
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,400
I did it and people loved it. 
But I knew I could do better, 

829
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,000
you know. 
I was like that was great, but 

830
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,100
imagine if I took this 
seriously, you know, so I took 

831
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,700
it seriously and I went to 
courses and classes like 

832
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:13,100
Toastmasters and studied 
communication and wanted to 

833
00:41:13,107 --> 00:41:16,500
understand what made a good 
story and how to deliver a 

834
00:41:16,508 --> 00:41:17,700
message. 
You know? 

835
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:18,700
I didn't want to be that 
speaker. 

836
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,700
That just says, woe is me story 
and people Lap. 

837
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,000
Yeah, you know I realized that 
my story is a vessel for the 

838
00:41:25,008 --> 00:41:26,600
message, not the other way 
around. 

839
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:29,200
So I spent years man, build in 
this out. 

840
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,000
I did 30 plus talks for free to 
the point where I got my first 

841
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,500
offer to get a paid gig. 
I don't even know what an 

842
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,200
honorarium was had to Google it 
while I was on the phone with 

843
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,400
her event planner and I just 
said, you know, do whatever the 

844
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400
last guy did and they gave me 
like a thousand bucks. 

845
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,000
I was like, that's crazy. 
Yeah, you know, my mom, my mom, 

846
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,200
one probably still doesn't know 
what I do for a living but to 

847
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,600
She would joke she'd like you 
used to get in trouble for 

848
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,100
speaking and how you get paid to
do it, you know. 

849
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,200
And I've been fortunate to build
this career of being a highly 

850
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,500
sought-after keynote speaker in 
my space. 

851
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:05,700
Do you select this course at 
your building at that's best 

852
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,600
going to be what all those 
Toastmaster and classes were for

853
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,000
you but it's me for somebody 
else through your medium. 

854
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,900
It's going to be much more 
detailed in this sense of like 

855
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:20,000
the psychology behind a good 
speaker plus the business side 

856
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,500
of things. 
So like how to get Get your 

857
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:26,400
first paid speaking gig, how to 
be a paid speaker, and it's the 

858
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,700
No Nonsense, no marketing type 
stuff. 

859
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,800
I genuinely want to work with 
people, to make sure that that 

860
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,200
when they go on stage, I believe
everyone has a story to share 

861
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,100
but not everyone knows the 
message. 

862
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:42,400
So getting people to understand 
the difference between a story 

863
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:45,700
and a message to allow for True 
impact. 

864
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:47,600
That's what I want to help 
people and help people cross 

865
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,000
that bridge. 
It's exciting, man. 

866
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,900
When is that supposedly going to
come out today? 

867
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:54,200
I'm hoping by the end of this 
year, man. 

868
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,700
I know I'm going to take like a 
few private clients. 

869
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,900
Have a cue to cue people message
me on LinkedIn. 

870
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:00,700
Just to like try and work with 
me. 

871
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:05,500
I'm not accepting my clients 
right now but I hope by the end 

872
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:06,800
of this year I'll have something
up. 

873
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,800
I'm more focused on the quality 
than just like getting a bunch 

874
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,300
of people in. 
Yeah so as as we go throughout 

875
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,000
this year I'll definitely 
develop something out a little 

876
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,800
bit more but I'm so highly 
ecstatic about Doing this and 

877
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,800
like getting to the point where 
I can give back because when I 

878
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
started as a speaker, I don't 
have anyone to really look at, 

879
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,500
you know, I wasn't sure. 
I just saw a bunch of like old 

880
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:31,500
people and I was, like, man, is 
that what speaking is, like, do 

881
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:35,300
I have to be that? 
And I didn't, I made my own 

882
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:38,000
version and it turned out pretty
okay. 

883
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,500
The end public speaking is 
something that I'm passionate 

884
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:44,500
about, but I haven't really sink
my teeth into as much as I know.

885
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,600
I need to like I speak at a 
bunch of nutrition conferences 

886
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,600
and I enjoy that but I haven't 
like, honed. 

887
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Like, I haven't made it a point 
to hone those skills, you know, 

888
00:43:53,408 --> 00:43:56,100
specific like I feel pretty 
confident talking to people. 

889
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:58,700
I've like, podcasting has helped
make me a better speaker for 

890
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,000
sure, but I have absolutely. 
Yeah. 

891
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Like that's probably the single 
best thing I've ever done from a

892
00:44:03,008 --> 00:44:07,000
speaking standpoint, but it's 
not like, you know, what can I 

893
00:44:07,008 --> 00:44:09,200
do with the intention of 
becoming a better keynote 

894
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,400
speaker and that's something 
that I would like to get into 

895
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,200
because I just want to feel more
confident, deliver a better 

896
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,000
message to people. 
Because I think that mean that's

897
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,600
like, how you Communicate is 
powerful man. 

898
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Like people and especially 
nowadays like people, crave that

899
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
genuine connection that they're 
not getting on Tik-Tok or 

900
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,800
Instagram DMG, you know. 
Oh yeah. 

901
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,000
Oh yeah. 
And that that's I actually, I 

902
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,100
wrote a book called the upper 
hand and IT addresses that whole

903
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:37,700
like, communication is key 
thing. 

904
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,500
But I just I never agreed with 
that being the first step, you 

905
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,600
know, I believe self 
communication is key. 

906
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,500
Because if you can't communicate
with yourself, how do you expect

907
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:47,800
other people to communicate with
you? 

908
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,500
You know. 
So, my whole book talks about 

909
00:44:50,508 --> 00:44:53,300
communication internally and 
that's where most people have to

910
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,100
start. 
Once you learn how to 

911
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,300
communicate internally and you 
know what, you're trying to say 

912
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:01,300
with Clarity and confidence. 
It's much easier to convey to 

913
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:03,500
one person. 
Let alone a room full of people,

914
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:06,500
whether it's 20 or 2000, you 
know? 

915
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:10,600
And a lot of communication is 
past being able to say a 

916
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,500
sentence without like, or um, it
comes down to, is your message 

917
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,500
clear? 
And is it written or said, in a 

918
00:45:17,508 --> 00:45:21,500
way that helps other people? 
People no one cares about your 

919
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:24,300
story, they care about what your
story does for them. 

920
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,700
And that took a long time for me
to understand and once I got 

921
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:30,900
that, it's not about you 
talking. 

922
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:32,900
It's about what the audience can
take away. 

923
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:36,600
That was a game-changer for me. 
Yeah. 

924
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,900
How did you cross the chasm 
between doing a bunch of free 

925
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,100
speaking gigs to getting paid? 
I know you said that they 

926
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:46,200
reached out and offered to pay 
you. 

927
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,600
But like for you personally, you
know like I feel like a lot of 

928
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,300
people have this with coaching, 
you see a lot of time like 

929
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,300
people like people will ask for 
free coaching because I know you

930
00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:58,600
should just feel like you should
coach nutrition them. 

931
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Healthier the community is the 
better. 

932
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:02,800
But like if you have a 
profession, if you have a skill 

933
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
set that people would find 
benefit in like you have to make

934
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,300
a living too. 
So like for you personally how 

935
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:11,100
did you go from wanting and 
being willing to speak free to 

936
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:14,900
know that you were valued at 
such a rate that required or, 

937
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:18,500
you know, incentivised there to 
be a compensation there. 

938
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,700
This is gonna sound so dumb, but
I just started asking for money.

939
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,000
You know, that was the big 
difference before, I never asked

940
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,000
for money and once I started 
asking, I started getting it. 

941
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,200
And people are, there's no way 
it said he know, it really is 

942
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:33,900
you, your worth, is what you 
said it at. 

943
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,700
So if you're free, people come 
to know you as freak. 

944
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,200
If you charge 100 bucks, people 
come to know you charge 100 

945
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,800
bucks. 
And how do we know this is true?

946
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,700
Will we have these limiting 
beliefs? 

947
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:47,900
About what we're worth. 
Perfect example is, would you 

948
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:50,300
buy the All right. 
Now, probably not. 

949
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,300
You know, but does that mean? 
No one is interested in 

950
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:56,300
helicopters, know there's a 
whole group of people who buy 

951
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,200
helicopters, don't take your 
limiting belief and establish it

952
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,600
as a fact feelings are not fast 
in the beginning, I felt like I 

953
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,300
was only worth nothing, you 
know, I felt like I should speak

954
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,800
for free because I'm doing good,
but then, I realized there are 

955
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,000
speakers, getting paid 20,000 
50,000 100,000 dollars for a 

956
00:47:14,008 --> 00:47:17,100
keynote. 
And I'm like, Wait, why are they

957
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,800
better than me? 
If so why don't I get better? 

958
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,800
Yeah. 
Why don't I learn and I started 

959
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,700
running and then I start asking 
like okay what is a what is a 

960
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:30,200
$5000 speaker look like, do I 
look like a $5000 speaker? 

961
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:32,600
So I looked at 5,000. 
Our speakers on like speaker 

962
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,400
Bureau web sites and I was like,
wow, their website through a 

963
00:47:34,408 --> 00:47:36,100
nice like. 
Okay, I could I could do better 

964
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,800
with mine. 
Wow, they're speaker, real is 

965
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,300
really nice. 
I could do better with mine. 

966
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,100
Wow, they have their message 
very concise. 

967
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,000
I could either. 
So I became this 5,000, our 

968
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,000
speaker and I was like, what is 
a, what is the $7500 speaker? 

969
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,800
Look like what is a ten thousand
dollar speaker? 

970
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,300
What is a fifteen thousand 
dollar speaker look like for 30 

971
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:58,400
minutes and I started emulating 
what they look like and getting 

972
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,900
better and better and better and
it's, it's crazy. 

973
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,800
What happens when you start 
accepting that? 

974
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,300
There is a lot of Simplicity and
just doing things getting things

975
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:12,500
done and not psyching yourself 
out, you know, if you say no one

976
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,000
would ever pay? 
That I promise you people would 

977
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,400
pay that and people would pay 
ten times that the right group 

978
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,100
of people, the wrong group of 
people will never pay that. 

979
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,200
There's a reason why we have 
public transportation and we 

980
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,200
have through Gatti's. 
Yeah, you know, who God is much 

981
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,200
more expensive than a dollar bus
trip ride but there is spaces 

982
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,000
for both and there's 
opportunities in both, you know,

983
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,400
so don't cancel out one 
thinking, oh, that would never 

984
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,800
happen. 
It's not that, that would never 

985
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,000
happen. 
That might not happen with your 

986
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
current mindset or with your 
current clientele. 

987
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,200
But what could happen instead of
just pushing stuff off? 

988
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,900
Ask what can I do with? 
Where I'm at right now. 

989
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,400
That's the real question. 
Yeah, 100% agreement. 

990
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,900
I feel like a lot of people you 
see this all the time in 

991
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:01,900
business PC then everything 
really but like people are so 

992
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:05,400
familiar with certain like a 
certain lifestyle, a certain 

993
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,600
mentality. 
They associate themselves with 

994
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,300
certain people and that just 
becomes what they what they 

995
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,800
comprehend that that's just what
their Active of X Y or Z is and 

996
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,100
then you just assume that to 
cross over into the next tier. 

997
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,500
It's like this massive, you 
know, 10 X Factor in quality, 

998
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:26,700
performance, X, Y, or Z but more
often than not. 

999
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,200
It's not that at all. 
It's just simply a total shift 

1000
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,900
in mindset and allowing you to 
think differently. 

1001
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:36,200
So like when people are at that 
lower level, they're trying to 

1002
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,700
tear up. 
Like how do you, how does one at

1003
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,100
a lower level start to interact 
with people at a higher? 

1004
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,500
Level in order to Simply gain 
that perspective that they 

1005
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:50,000
wouldn't otherwise gain. 
I think like I said, start 

1006
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,200
internal, you know, like do you 
look like what you want to 

1007
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,100
charge for whether that's a 
business coach or any sort of 

1008
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:02,000
coaching or business in general?
Even if it's speaking, what do 

1009
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,800
people in your space? 
Because you're probably not the 

1010
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,200
only one? 
What do people in your space 

1011
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,600
charge and if they charge more, 
how do they look? 

1012
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,000
How does their online Persona or
their overall business? 

1013
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,200
Look, And does yours look 
comparable to because if it if 

1014
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,200
yours looks really comparable, 
then you're doing yourself a 

1015
00:50:19,207 --> 00:50:21,800
disservice. 
You know, you can the hardest 

1016
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,800
part is believing that you can 
charge more believing that you 

1017
00:50:25,808 --> 00:50:28,100
can charge some you know that 
initial step. 

1018
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,200
So a lot of people are in the 
lower tiers simply because they 

1019
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,500
don't ask for more. 
Yeah, so true man. 

1020
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,500
So true. 
What are you reading right now? 

1021
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,100
So I have been overeating. 
Let me, let me preface this by 

1022
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,400
saying, Ryan holiday was my 
absolute favorite author, but 

1023
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,200
there is a tie right now between
Ryan holiday and Brianna Weiss. 

1024
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:55,800
I love her so much. 
I love her writing style. 

1025
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:58,100
Even did like a coaching call 
with her. 

1026
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:02,600
I think her stuff is incredible.
So 101 essays that will change 

1027
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,000
the way you think is like the 
equivalent of the obstacles. 

1028
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
The way for me I can read those.
I can put to any And page and 

1029
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,700
get something. 
Those two books are constant. 

1030
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,500
It's called 101 essays. 
That will change the way you 

1031
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:16,700
think. 
It's my man understood. 

1032
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:18,900
What was her name? 
Brianna waste Briana once? 

1033
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,500
Okay, I'll check that out. 
Oh man is so good. 

1034
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:25,100
But the audiobook I'm listening 
to right now is radical Candor 

1035
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,300
that one. 
Is that one gets me fired up 

1036
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:32,500
because it's about management 
styles and it's about being 

1037
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:37,800
honest, but not brutally honest,
but direct so there's no it the 

1038
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,500
Datian. 
And that book is so vital. 

1039
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:44,100
So if you are a manager, if you 
want better communication at 

1040
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:47,100
home or in business, if you want
to just learn how to 

1041
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:51,600
communicate, more directly man, 
that book has really given me so

1042
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,600
many tools and tactics to like 
really progress in terms of 

1043
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:59,000
negotiation proposals and just 
communication in general. 

1044
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,400
I feel like a lot of people lose
the stuff they want in life 

1045
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,800
because they're afraid to ask 
for it. 

1046
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,400
So it's kind of relevant of how 
we're talking about money and 

1047
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,000
cost. 
Yeah, but it could be anything 

1048
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,100
from Getting an idea across to 
money to just you know, really 

1049
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:15,400
communicating better without 
feeling weird about 

1050
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,900
communicating your needs. 
Yeah, what's so interesting? 

1051
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:22,000
Like, people are fearful to put 
themselves out there and have a 

1052
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,800
candid conversation even if it's
a if especially if it's a 

1053
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,600
challenging conversation or 
their attention is going to be a

1054
00:52:28,607 --> 00:52:31,700
little high but to not have that
conversation. 

1055
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:34,300
Even if it is a hard 
conversation, like the remorse 

1056
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:37,300
and regret that follows that in 
my opinion, far outweighs any, 

1057
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:39,200
tensity that could. 
Be in the moment of the 

1058
00:52:39,207 --> 00:52:42,500
conversation, exactly. 
But it's kind site that we see 

1059
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,700
that, you know, in the moment we
think this is the worst thing 

1060
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,200
ever, but in hindsight would 
like, I really wish we would 

1061
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,000
have said this, I really wish I 
would have asked for this, you 

1062
00:52:50,008 --> 00:52:54,000
know, or acknowledge this that 
can't be a hindsight thing 

1063
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,500
because for everything to move 
forward and maintain quality, 

1064
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:59,200
you have to be directing the 
moment. 

1065
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,300
So those are just some of the 
stuff I'm reading, but I really 

1066
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,200
believe in improving myself so I
can improve the people and 

1067
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,700
situations around me persimmon 
have Listen to David Gang whose 

1068
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:11,600
new book? 
Yeah. 

1069
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,800
Is that can't can't? 
What is the? 

1070
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Inter means is first one. 
Everest was the second one. 

1071
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:17,900
No, I didn't hear the second 
one. 

1072
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:19,700
Yeah, I'm happy to get that. 
He has pretty good man. 

1073
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,000
I'd be curious to get your 
thoughts on it because you don't

1074
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,800
know, just like people that are 
people like you people like me 

1075
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,900
people that want to go to the 
nth degree but then like you're 

1076
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:31,500
saying also be able to find that
contentment in life like I don't

1077
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:33,500
know just like picking people's 
brains about that kind of stuff.

1078
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:35,500
Absolutely. 
And everyone has different 

1079
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:36,900
opinions. 
You know, some people love the 

1080
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:39,700
super hardcore like That 
motivates them and that's 

1081
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,000
nothing is wrong. 
You just have to see what you 

1082
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,200
identify with and helps you 
maintain the quality of life 

1083
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,800
that you want. 
You know, there is no Finish 

1084
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,100
Line and I think a lot of people
think that there's a Finish Line

1085
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:54,100
to like success or there's a 
Finish Line to mental health or 

1086
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,200
there's no Finish Line. 
You, if you don't enjoy the race

1087
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,100
itself, you're going to be 
miserable because you're 

1088
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:02,500
pretending like there's a 
stopping point, you know? 

1089
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,800
And that doesn't exist. 100% man
when I did my first bodybuilding

1090
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,200
competition, it was definitely 
like a Finish Line. 

1091
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,800
Tality. 
And then after the show was 

1092
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,200
over, like I lost 80 pounds in. 
12 weeks, minute is not healthy,

1093
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,900
it's insane. 
I don't have the bunch of 

1094
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:17,700
diminish orders, like and those 
plagued me for years afterwards,

1095
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:21,100
but like, now, like with this 
prep time doing this, this year,

1096
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,800
starting the week, like, my goal
is to have like this, no Finish 

1097
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,500
Line mentality. 
And then the real goal is to do 

1098
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,400
it in such a way that my wife 
wouldn't even know that I'm in a

1099
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,200
prep, that's the challenge, 
right? 

1100
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,800
Yeah, yeah. 
See, I love that, though. 

1101
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,900
That's, that's what it should 
be. 

1102
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,800
I was, I've fallen victim to 
that kind of stuff all the time.

1103
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,600
Where you think? 
If I get this, then things will 

1104
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,600
be amazing that conditional 
philosophy. 

1105
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,000
If I had X then I would be 
happy, you know? 

1106
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:52,000
And it's like the bodybuilding, 
you know, if I got on stage, you

1107
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,400
get off stage now. 
You're depressed. 

1108
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,100
You don't look as good, you're 
sad, you gain the weight, back 

1109
00:54:56,100 --> 00:55:00,600
your self sabotage. 
It's like, wow, for a minute of 

1110
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:04,400
Finish Line. 
I created two years of pain, you

1111
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,300
know, and it's like, Something's
Gotta Give. 

1112
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,100
So the way you're doing it now. 
Absolutely love. 

1113
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,900
And you're setting up real goals
aside from the competition, 

1114
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,900
which is just maintaining 
quality of life at home in the 

1115
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:17,700
process of doing something. 
That is so incredibly hard for 

1116
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:22,000
anyone who's never gone through 
that a prep, I've power lifted 

1117
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,100
for years, I've dedicated 675 
pounds with blood is coming out 

1118
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:28,500
of the fingertips of my 
residual, limb, you know, that 

1119
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,800
dulls in comparison to the 
difficulty of a bodybuilding 

1120
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:37,200
prep, because food nutrition 
mindset, you know, mentality 

1121
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,500
relationships all Of these 
things are on the line. 

1122
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:43,300
So, hats off to you for being 
able to pull that off, and I'd 

1123
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:45,100
love to follow up with you and 
see how that goes. 

1124
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,700
Yeah, for sure, man, I 
appreciate that. 

1125
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:48,300
Well, think I was think about 
this the other day and I was 

1126
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:50,200
actually recording the podcast 
with my wife on this. 

1127
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,600
It's like when people do things 
that they know are really, 

1128
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,500
really challenging things, like 
things that are really difficult

1129
00:55:56,500 --> 00:56:01,200
that few people do. 
It's like you give yourself the 

1130
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,800
permission to be an asshole to 
everybody else when you're doing

1131
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,200
that. 
It really hard thing. 

1132
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Whereas if you just simply never
give yourself that permission to

1133
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,500
Is place, you'll likely not be 
an asshole. 

1134
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:13,400
Well, I mean, that's a bad thing
about being an asshole, 

1135
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,100
especially around prep. 
No one else is doing this prep 

1136
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,800
and no one is forcing you to do 
this prep. 

1137
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:20,200
You have no right to be an 
asshole to other people who 

1138
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,100
aren't choosing a lifestyle that
you're choosing, you know, and 

1139
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:24,900
it's tough. 
Because when you're in it, it's 

1140
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:26,900
like damn, it's so 
all-consuming. 

1141
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:29,600
You're so stressed and I see 
your hormones are crazy out of 

1142
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,000
whack, but you gotta understand.
This is your choice. 

1143
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,600
No one is forcing you to is no 
one feels bad for you. 

1144
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:38,100
No one, it's not a sob story, 
like you're doing. 

1145
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:40,100
This. 
So Own, It own up that you're 

1146
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,100
choosing this and own up that 
it's your responsibility to not 

1147
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:47,000
only manage your prep, but to 
manage your lack of beat, like, 

1148
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,600
you can't be an asshole, you 
have to be a normal person 

1149
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,800
because it's not fair to anyone 
else in your life. 

1150
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,500
And if I was in their life and 
some was being an asshole to me 

1151
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,600
because of the choice they made,
I would be less likely to see 

1152
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,300
that person because I'm like why
are you taking it out on me? 

1153
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:03,200
That's your lack of management 
skills. 

1154
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,000
Not anything do with me 100% 
man. 

1155
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:08,100
He said you're moving where you 
headed to what state? 

1156
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:11,400
I'm so I'm still in Florida but 
I went to downtown Fort 

1157
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,100
Lauderdale so I've always wanted
to live in Like a downtown area 

1158
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:18,000
for at least like a year or so. 
So I'm doing that experiencing 

1159
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,400
my girlfriend and from there 
were probably just going to 

1160
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,300
bounce around the country and 
live a different space, every 

1161
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,600
year and a half, two years and 
explore. 

1162
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,400
Explore, what we have to offer. 
You know it's not something like

1163
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,300
exploring. 
I think just simply getting out 

1164
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:33,700
of your like we're talking 
earlier about how getting out of

1165
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,500
your own tier is often just a 
shift in mindset. 

1166
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:38,100
But one of the most tangible 
things that you can do. 

1167
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,700
Do to break free of that. 
It just simply see new sites. 

1168
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:46,100
Interact with new people travel 
and just see different cultures,

1169
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:48,900
different different monuments. 
Different Landscapes different 

1170
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,500
climates. 
Just expose yourself to 

1171
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,400
different things. 
Yeah, and that's a choice, man. 

1172
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,300
It's a hard choice to make 
because we get so comfortable. 

1173
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:58,200
And I talk about that in my book
to a lot of times we get 

1174
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,500
comfortable with paying to, you 
know, like, in one of the last 

1175
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,600
concepts of six Concepts in my 
book. 

1176
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,900
I talk about your hand on the 
stove, you know, and we're 

1177
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:08,600
comfortable with the pain. 
We Ino. 

1178
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:12,100
Yeah, we would rather be hurt by
the things we know, then the 

1179
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:16,300
unknown, that could have so much
better potential, but it's, it's

1180
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:17,800
why people stay in bad 
relationships. 

1181
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Why people stay at bad jobs? 
We are comfortable knowing the 

1182
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,300
amount of pain even though it's 
a lot versus the risk of it 

1183
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:28,500
being worse. 
Even though their likelihood of 

1184
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:32,100
it being better, We're 
interesting species, man. 

1185
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:35,100
Yeah, that's to say the least. 
Yeah. 

1186
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:36,800
For sure. 
How would you Chris? 

1187
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,100
I'm 32 32 nice, man. 
Very cool. 

1188
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:41,200
You are absolutely killing it, 
brother. 

1189
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,900
I'm excited to follow. 
I'm gonna get your book. 

1190
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:43,900
What's the name of it? 
Again? 

1191
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,600
It's called the upper hand 
partially because I like making 

1192
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,700
dad jokes about my disability, 
but realistically, it's because 

1193
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,200
I just want people to learn how 
to get the upper hand over 

1194
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,100
themselves because for so long, 
I didn't have that and I really 

1195
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:59,900
consider my life starting about 
five years ago when I started. 

1196
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,800
Stop hiding who I was awesome. 
And I love it brother. 

1197
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:04,300
Why would definitely read you 
book? 

1198
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,000
I can't thank you enough for 
taking time to jump on his 

1199
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,500
podcast with me, man. 
There's everything I could do by

1200
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,300
all means. 
Let me know where people go to 

1201
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:12,500
find out more about you and dive
deeper into your world. 

1202
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,500
Yes. 
So everything is just that my 

1203
00:59:14,508 --> 00:59:16,800
name Chris Rudin whether it's my
website. 

1204
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,600
Chris word.com or my socials 
feel free to drop me. 

1205
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,500
A message to go on a chat. 
Start a conversation, anyone 

1206
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:24,700
feel free? 
You know, I'm around and always 

1207
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,900
available. 
So I really appreciate you 

1208
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,500
having me man for sure. 
And the, when you come up with 

1209
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:32,300
that That speaking course that's
going to be through the website 

1210
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:34,400
as well. 
It'll probably be on my website.

1211
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,400
Yeah, but I'll definitely be 
talking about it on my social. 

1212
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,900
So even if you're a speaker now,
are you interested in speaking? 

1213
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,100
Feel free to throw some 
questions my way because if 

1214
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:44,200
anything that would help me 
develop something that's going 

1215
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,900
to help a lot of people. 
So don't hesitate to ask 

1216
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:51,100
questions, sounds good, man. 
I might just take you up on it. 

1217
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:52,900
I might be asking. 
Yeah, please do. 

1218
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:55,000
Awesome. 
Chris, will you have a wonderful

1219
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,200
day, man? 
Keep kicking ass. 

1220
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,600
And keep in touch, man. 
Appreciate you, man. 

1221
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,100
Thank you, man.