Hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes keto Savage.com.
And today, I've got a special guest, Chris rodent on the line,
and I thoroughly thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed this
conversation. I've got no doubt that you will
take something from it. We dived into stoicism.
We delved into mindset without into training nutrition.
He has a type 1 diabetic. He also was born with basically
a shortened arm and only one finger.
So he's had to overcome and adapt through all those
hardships, but that hasn't stopped him from being, you
know, an elite power. Lifter body.
Builder just all-around badass. So thoroughly enjoyed the
conversation. He is a wealth of knowledge and
he's incredibly inspirational and Incredibly disciplined.
And I've got no doubt, they will take something from this
episode. So without further delay, a sit
back, relax and do a podcast with Chris Rutten.
And we are live. Chris, how are you man?
I'm good man. Thank you for having me.
Hey man, I'm excited to have you and I'm a little bit frustrated
though, man. Because we weigh the same.
Wait, I just watched your powerlifting record-breaking
from 2016. We have the same weight and
you're pulling 100 pounds more than me.
And you only got one hand. The how the hell is that
happened? Yeah man.
Yeah, so it's been a it's been a long journey to find different
ways to Adapt and stuff. But I feel like the commitment
over time has definitely paid off know for sure.
Man. I was I was looking at a few
videos. I don't really watch much
content from people. I'm bringing those.
I just kind of like to go into it.
Totally blind and just see what the conversation goes.
But you got a pretty inspiring resume, man.
Like, you're like, on that particular video.
The title of it was powerlifting, diabetic, seven
fingers, something like that. Like all these different things
you rattled off. So you're breaking all kinds of
records for more reason than one.
Yeah. I mean for me it was never about
breaking records, you know it's just those barriers.
I felt like I had growing up as a kid with a disability and
eventually getting type 1 diabetes.
Like man there has to be more to life than just like, you know,
being this disabled diabetic kid and I fell in love with the gym
and just kind of like failing over and over and over and
understanding the concept and that resulted in some crazy
strength, inevitably pulling, you know, 675 which is my top
deadlift. And I just I loved the art of
like Progressive overload and lifting weights and persimmon,
it's therapeutic for sure. Now you weren't born as a type 1
diabetic, right? No, I was born with a congenital
birth defect, two fingers on my left hand and shorter left arm
and I got diagnosed with type 1. Diabetes at 19 years old which
one was the bigger obstacle for you?
I would imagine by 19 you've already kind of built up some
some mental resilience so that you kind of already had some
momentum. Going that point.
I wish I could agree. Yeah, it to different obstacles.
Was I think just different kind of different obstacle races if
you will. I hid my disability for 17 years
up until four years ago. How do you I had it been like
then like how does that? Yeah you do then.
Yeah I spent at least eight to ten years with my left hand in
my pocket and I never took it out.
And then ironically I found a way to play drums which I'm just
observing that competitive person that, you know, if you're
walking next to an old person they don't know you're racing
but you're winning that. Has me like, all the time.
I'm always just like zoom in. And I'm like, how can I prove to
myself that, you know, I'm good enough and that came out in the
form of like competitiveness. So when I found a way to play
drums, I got a fingerless gloves and I shoved the drumstick
through one of the finger holes of the globe.
And I was able to play drums for six years, Marching Band, drum
line, eventually set. And I became this person who
wore the glove and I were that glove from high school all the
way through college. Until 45 years ago and people
like they didn't like they knew they just didn't say anything.
Like you weren't talking about her.
They like legitimately didn't even know they for the majority
of people who knew me closely like new.
But I had such a kind of a fake confident Persona, that people
wouldn't dare ask you, they just accepted that.
I accepted where they thought I accepted, but really I was in
denial and avoiding like massively and they just never
brought it up. I just became that guy.
And I think, And I even developed this Charisma and
confidence about me that I would walk into a room, people would
see the glove, but immediately they could tell that was a, that
was a taboo subject that you don't talk about.
It's interesting because like when when you going through like
high school man, middle school, high school.
I was a brutal years. I.
Nobody has any. Medical was the worst know.
School was definitely the worst. Yeah.
Like at that point like nobody that nobody's done any like they
don't even know who they are yet.
So like you don't really have this true confidence.
You've got this Aura of like superficial confidence, but you
know, What confident people look like.
So you try to emulate then and that's exactly a perfect way of
putting it. That's exactly what I was doing.
Is emulating what I thought confidence was.
Yeah, yeah. So like what I mean, like, was
that like how did you cope with it?
Like what did you do that? What was the aha moment where
you're like? Okay what I'm doing right now is
obviously not sustainable. This is no way to live long
term. I got it fixed Direction.
They got to change course and like in still true conference, I
what was the Catalyst for that? Man.
So I was made fun of you know, because of my hand, my
disability for the majority of my childhood and in Middle
School specifically. There was this girl named
Crystal and I was in seventh grade and this girl she was the
prettiest girl in my school, you know, to be fair there was like
four or five girls in my class in total, you know.
So the teacher was one of them and Crystal is not a teacher.
So I worked up discourage, the top, like China says, girl out,
you know, as I Oh, I'm gonna get my first girlfriend, you know,
and I walked up to her desk, I'll never forget and I turn
around my friends are laughing. I turned back around to see the
girl and she's making fun of my hand with a stapler, call me
Club boy. And she like, humiliated me in
front of the entire class, you know, that was one of the
moments and I think there's a compound effect of moments.
It's not this disneyfication of like one moment, everything
changes. That was one of the moments
where I was like, oh, I'm Different.
I need to hide, you know? Yeah.
And I took that out on my mom, you know, I I remember going
home and just like my mom was a nurse and I always told her, my
days were great, but I was getting made fun of him.
Bullied, I just never said anything.
You know, I lied to my mom because I was embarrassed for
her kid being broken. You know, I was embarrassed for
my parents and I remember one day, I just couldn't take it.
I was like, Mom, like why did you do this to me?
Why would you do this to your own kid?
You help all these patients, you know, these people.
But you can't even help your own kid, you know, like why would
you even have me? And seeing my mom kind of
breakdown about that and cry. And she'd even, she just
apologized and I'm like, damn, man.
Like that was one of those moments where I was like,
something has to change. You know what, what was their
parenting strategy like for you when you were growing up, like,
where they did, they draw much awareness to it attention to it.
Did they say? Hey, look, everybody is like
this. They say, look, nobody's like
this or they just totally not bring any way.
Earnest to it and just kind of let you go through life.
Without it being seen as a disability in the younger years,
there were big on like, they know you were made special and I
wanted to believe that but then we grew up in a super poor area,
you know, and my parents did the most that they could.
Yeah, you know, but lots of having to work and get go to
different resources, like churches to get food.
So it was, it was hard to hear that.
I'm special about that I'm being made.
You know? So yeah, I was like man I can't
tell my parents. That they're wrong.
That would that would break their heart.
You know, they think I'm special and I see what I'm going
through. I'm like, I gotta I gotta lie.
You know, I gotta hide this from them because I need to protect
them and I went into that mode and I think that played a huge
role and kind of how I am now. I love the leadership role
because I can't, I feel like I can try and do my best to
protect people in my community, you know?
Yeah, for sure, man. So when when you were getting
made fun of them, Then and you went to your mom and had that
conversation with her. How old were you?
Then you said that was about fourteen 14.
Then you said you and you've been kind of keeping this under
wraps until just four years ago. You said right?
Yeah. So what was the other War some
other? Like aha moments of like okay
this this is we gotta switch gears here.
Yeah so College probably ended up either.
I wouldn't think college was definitely a long sleeve moment,
you know and I It was fortunate that I built this Persona is
confidence that still I did everything everyone else.
Did I just I was struggling with stuff.
People couldn't see ya. You know, it's those battles
that people aren't aware of, you know, that can really weigh down
on people. So I started building like a
Fitness business. I built this massive like
Fitness business as I was in school for exercise science, and
I started getting all these clients and doing online clients
at a certain point. I work, It up.
So like over 100 clients worldwide and it was incredible
but I was still battling this thing.
You know, I started speaking on overcoming adversity and I found
that my true passion and that, you know, and even as I was
powerlifting, I started getting in powerlifting because I wanted
to lift heavy weights, but I was still had in my hand.
I always wore gloves, you know, and you'll see some of my older
videos. I'm still wearing the glove
breaking records, you know, hmm. And I didn't need the glove, I
just needed the hook, but it kind of became Thing, because
that's what I hidden. I'll never forget though, as I
was speaking. I started building my career
fairly fast and found my passion and speaking and storytelling.
I was speaking at this event at his Disney Resort.
And there's like, 2,000 people there to here, like my keynote
and all this. And I'd spent the day with this
girl named Maddie. She was like eight years old,
should just got diagnosed with diabetes.
And we're walking down this long hallway and my entire life, I
hid my hand, you know I would walk on certain side so people
didn't see it or talk about it. It just, I avoided it, you know,
and I created every every step in my life was based on hiding
my hand. If I was going to the door, how
is that going to grab the doorknob and turn so that you
couldn't see? You know, I that was my life,
strategically planned to the step and I remember walking down
this hallway with this girl, and we're just walking down.
She's on my left side, which is already weird and she grabs my
hand over my glove. And she's just swinging it super
happy and smiling. I'm tense.
Like if you stepped on Ice, that kind of tense.
Yeah. And she looked at me and she's
like, it's okay, you don't have to hide around me.
And just kept on smiling and Swinging my hand.
And that moment I was like, damn thousands of people are there to
hear me speak, but she's the only person who actually saw me,
you know, that's pretty cool man.
Like, the, I was one of those moments.
The brutal honesty of children is hard to put.
It's hard to quantify, man. It's just powerful.
It's, I think it's the most powerful than you could
experience, you know. Yeah.
If you ever make some food, you want to see if there's really
good your to a kid. That's for sure.
It's very true, man. Well, my, my wife's Brother
Chad, he lost his. He lost like pretty much his
whole right hand. He was a woodworker, he says
woodworker. And he cut it all off, like,
with a at a sawmill or something, but like, he does all
this shit. Now, without a hand without his
right hand, he was right hand dominant but it's like he still
does all this really ornate wood working.
Like he does all this stuff so like seeing him work.
It's like man, I've got like anybody can do anything.
Like it's crazy. Like I You know, stub, my toe on
something and I realize how much I use my hair like yeah, finger
and I mean, I can't do anything. But like, if you've gone through
this, like, your whole life specially cuz you were born with
it, it's like you just adapt and overcome and then what you're
able to adapt and overcome is just inspiring to people that
have all the appendages and they're coming up with all kinds
of excuses. As to why they can't do X Y or
Z. But the reality is you can do
anything. You set your mind to, it's
really about the narrative. You give yourself and you know
again disability, does it exist? You know, disease States exist?
I can't. Not positive think my way out of
my diabetes you know, but what I can do is I can not make it
worse, you know. And that's it took me a long
time to learn that man, the narratives that we live with
really, set up our lives and provider, can't be that easy.
I'm like, unfortunately, it is that simple, it's not easy
because it takes work, but it is simple in the fact that the
narrative you have inside your head, if you're losing that
narrative, that's on you, you know, and I don't, that's not a
victim blaming thing that's more.
So our responsibility and we To understand that responsibility
is also responsive ability. We have the ability to respond.
And sometimes we practice these negative responses that ruin our
quality of life, but it's coming from us, you know.
So how do you start to switch that?
How do you start to change that? So that you're kind of winning
the story in your head, which is where you live all day everyday
for your entire life. Yeah.
Like your perception is your reality, for sure.
And I feel like, I don't know. I got really big into stoic
mentalities. Auntie.
Same here. I'm so glad you said that I that
changed my life - oh for sure, man, like I started reading, I
think my first introduction to it was Ryan holidays, the book,
The obstacle after obstacle is the way you same here.
Oh my God, I think they're from Tim Ferriss and like he's doing
a lot of recommendations but obstacles away is definitely
that was the start of everything for me.
Yeah. 100% man. So we're two Kindred Spirits
here. I think I probably learned of
Ryan through Tim Ferriss or something like that.
Isn't a whole bunch of Tim Ferriss podcast back in like
2004 In 2015. And then I some of the pain Run
Holiday read. His book obstacles the way.
And man, I literally listen to that on.
Repeat, whenever I'm going through hardship now we are the
same person and definitely the same person from Ryan holiday,
all his books, but definitely obstacles away.
And ego is enemy and then gotten to Marcus Aurelius meditations,
some of Seneca stuff. I actually have Seneca is
staying on my wall. We often suffer an imagination
more than we do reality. Nice man.
I liked it. So, once you get me before you
found, philosophy 40 pounds, stoic mentality.
Like like I feel like stoicism is like a road map, like you, no
matter how bad the shit is in your surrounding.
Like if you adopt a stoic, you know, framework to it.
It's like okay, people have gone through much worse.
Let's be realistic here. Let's let's let's optimize what
we can control and the things that we can't then it's not
worth the mental bandwidth, you know.
Like like yeah simply have Direction.
Whereas before that it's really easy to point.
The finger have this woe is me. Victim mentality.
Oh yeah. And I feel like, you know,
before I found that I don't know, like my parents don't
think my parents even know what socialism is, but they raised me
in a very stoic manner. So I was able to kind of have a
lot of that. Just, you know, bread into me.
But I can't imagine going through life with a disability
or with something and not having some sense of recourse, if I,
okay, this is So within my control, I, when you adopt this
extreme ownership mentality towards at all, even though it's
very hard, there's a lot of Hope because you feel like there's a
solution to it. I'll wear as opposed to if you
don't have that, hope if you don't feel like you have the
power, then then it's like easy to let the world swallow you up
and spit you out. Oh, for sure.
And I mean the, the hard part is growing up as a kid.
No middle schoolers. But is going to say, I need to
develop a system philosophically, so I can get
through it. Just me looking back.
I wish but I feel like people go one of two ways they go into
blaming and trying to figure out the whys of everything.
Like, if I sit here, if I sat here and literally try to see
why was I born with a disability?
Why do I have type 1 diabetes? Yyyyy, what is that gonna do for
me at this point? You know, other than curiosity
what it will serve. No purpose own better, my
current life, it won't change my disability or my diabetes.
It'll do nothing for me, the other way that If when you don't
have a system, is the way I went which is neither good nor bad
and arguably almost worse. I numbed everything out, I
became a pathetic and I tried to run away from everything with
anything that I could wrong. People wrong things.
I tried to hide from the emotion that I refuse to face and a lot
of us do that. We tend to go through stuff and
we say it's not a big deal. When we know we feel it's a big
deal and we don't address it. We avoid it, we hide it under
the rug and it becomes a mess. A lump under the rug and you
everyone sees it, but no one says anything, you know, and
that's what I did for a long time before I understood the art
of stoicism and more. So, domesticating emotion, not
avoiding. It, not pretending like, it
doesn't exist, but learning to control it.
So it doesn't control you. That was a huge shift in how I
live my life. And that is like the the
quintessential antidote for You know, moving past that
superficial level of confidence like true conference.
Like if you have true in your toolkit then like, literally the
world can throw anything at you and you're not really unsettled
by it. Yeah, because you understand
that, like, I can only control what's in my wheelhouse which is
my thoughts and my reactions. You know, I can't I can't use
stoicism to get rid of my disability or my disease.
But what I can use it for is to make sure that the quality of
life I have with those conditions.
I never asked for doesn't get affected.
By what happens in life, you know, and people like, oh well,
if you start thinking like preparing for the worst,
stoicism talks about that, you know, preparing for bad things
or, you know, o controlled pessimism.
So to speak, I always prepare for good things and bad things
and be like, oh, that's a negative way of life.
I'm like, let me ask you this question.
Do you have a spare tire on your car?
Because if so, you're doing the same thing is I'm what I'm
doing, you know? Yeah, for sure and it's like,
like when you have this the obstacles, the way kind of using
that title. Again, I mean like, Do you
become so like what you see the hardship and things as simply a
stepping stone for the greater good, like you love public
speaking'? Be my motivational speaker.
You could probably do a great job doing that.
If it weren't for your hand, like, if you were born without
that then you probably still be doing it.
But that's like the Catalyst that made that trajectory of
your life will become more pronounced, you know.
Yeah, and that's what I like about.
Just kind of my I thought process now is my disability is
either viewed, especially in the public eye because like I built
a large social, following, all this stuff people Ivo.
See, your disability is a stepping stone to success.
It's a good thing or people with disabilities are bad thing and
I'm like, all of these descriptors aren't even real
because my disability is just the disability.
That's all it is. Yeah, anything more to, that
story is what we decide to add to it.
And it's our, it's our narrative, our storytelling, you
know, there's what In stores in the story, We Tell ourselves
about what happens to us. And often we like food, we over
season and we wonder why it tastes bad.
That's what I did for the majority of my life.
I told myself disability is synonymous with broken weak,
useless, helpless, and how many of us end up doing these kind of
things. We tell ourselves a story about
what we're going through and we make it worse almost to the
point of where like a movie produced and we're making this
incredible movie about this terrible character which is us
and we're telling ourselves this depressing story and it's like
Wow, why are we still good at making this awful narrative and
what happens if we use that narrative building skills for
something that would improve the quality of life and not detract
from it 100% man hundred percent.
I'm assuming you probably hadn't stumbled upon stoicism about
time. You were 19 and we're diagnosed
type 1. Diabetes are right?
Yeah. Around that.
It was really around like, 2012-2013 I was just about to
graduate college but I had always had this like kind of
Drive factor. I was in school.
For exercise science but I was still getting specialization.
That was working as a trainer way before any of these kids in
my class because I wanted to get out there.
You know, like taking tests was cool and all but like I wanted
to make money, you know. I wanted to, I grew up poor.
I was like, I got to be different.
I gotta, I can't be a broke disabled, diabetic kid, you
know, that has to be more. So I really push the envelope
and I loved the building of businesses to solve other
people's problems for sure. Man, the would you get in like a
lot of pushback like When you were doing like the online
coaching were you, I'd to people that will work with you around
the world that they know that you have a disability or where
they do. Yeah, I think that's what
attracted them to me because they knew I had the ability to
problem-solve, you know, and they saw that I was building my
physique even with, you know, something that most people would
consider a hardship. So they're like, well, if he can
do it, I can do it. And I don't really like that
philosophy because it's kind of like saying people with
disabilities are less than, you know.
Yeah. So it's like if you're If a
broken person can do it, then I can definitely do it.
It's, it's not like that, you know, it's like if this person
has found ways to do it, then other people can find ways to do
it. And that's what it comes down to
is reducing it to humanity. At a sense of we all possess,
the ability to adapt to our shortcomings, to our behaviors
habits abilities. There's always something we can
do. And if you can't do something,
it was never your problem to solve in the first place.
Yeah, I like that. When it comes to the fitness
goals, like your personal fitness goals, like, Building
muscle getting stronger, getting all that down then, which of the
two was harder for that was it. Was it?
The man, the hand, or the diabetes when it comes to just
simply building your physique, the definitely it mixture of
both. But I wanted to be a bodybuilder
originally because I love the magazines and I saw that and
there was the competitiveness to because people told me I
couldn't, you know, how can you be a bodybuilder when it's a
cemetry based competition and I'm asymmetrical, you know, no
amount of positive thinking is going to change my Cemetery, but
I also didn't accept that. So I was like, there has to be
something and I noticed, you know, at the gym, no one really
knew how to train people with disabilities, so I found ways, I
built a hook. I did whatever I could to train
a little bit extra on one side and it used the principles.
I was learning Progressive overload, you know, volume, but
applying that to specific Force angles with my left side.
And I don't this physique and in the process of wanting to be a
bodybuilder, I got strong. So then I started competing in
powerlifting. One, my first competition and I
did seven or eight competitions after that one.
Almost every single one of them and got to the point where, you
know, I squatted 615, identidad, 675 and bench, 385 where I just
balance the bar on my residual, limb on my left hand and people
were freaked out, but I was able to compete.
You know, and the disability definitely presented a lot of
cases where I had to learn biomechanics to understand how
to lift. Yeah, diabetes though is random.
You know, my disability is very predictable.
I'm about to do a pull-up, I know I need to get my hook.
I know I need to adjust for the height difference in my arms.
Then I'm good to go diabetes, though, you have perfect days,
then you can have not perfect days.
You're about to do have a PR, you know, you're about to lift
really heavy and your blood sugar is tanking.
You know, you continuous glucose monitor.
If you have one is letting, you know, hey, in the next 10
minutes, you're going to be an emergency scenario.
And then the data shows us that, you know, for 48 hours.
Severe hypoglycemic event, Your maximal Capacity to produce
force is reduced so I'm like wait my program is calling for
90% you know, but now the glucose situation my blood
glucose is affected that was the Nightmare and lucky.
I had Tech to help me but like it it was definitely difficult.
Yeah, that that is like a, that is a chess set all at once
there, when it comes to like management diabetes with you,
lifting like that. Like what are you Like
nutritionally speaking. Yeah so I've done a lot of
different tactics and it depends on where I'm at in my training
cycle. So right now I've really took it
a step back. This is one of those weird
things you never expect to say but I accomplished a lot of my
goals man. You know I hit these crazy
numbers with powerlifting and I accomplished that 675 deadlift
which is my main goal and then I always want to do a bodybuilding
competition. So I spent another year training
for that. I did my first bodybuilding
competition and I won I'm like, damn, what do you do?
After you accomplish all those goals that you thought you'd
never get to, you know, and for for like a year or so, since
then I I want to think last year, I've just been kind of
hanging out, you know, and enjoying the process of just
enjoying the gym. Again without having is looming
goal, you know, but I just, I love being able to be in this
position of balancing my diet. So, when I'm in pre-competition,
definitely lower carb. And a little higher protein and
I like to balance it that way, I'll do a few no carb days to
help offset the calories throughout the week.
On my moderate like, maintenance phase, I'll do pretty moderate
carbs. I never usually go over 200
carbs, just because I found that's the sweet spot for my
bulking like gaining size face, but anything past that my blood
sugar's a little hard to deal with, but that's me.
Personally, I know people that go up to 600 and O people that
stay keto the entire I'm, you know, so it's more.
So like what works for me at the time and if I want to have super
easy to manage blood sugars, I usually go pretty low carb.
Well, I watch your salt clip of you at the bodybuilding
competition like Peak Week man, like you were freaking dialed
in. Oh yeah, I was out super
shredded down. Yeah, it was crazy.
Yeah, that that is like I'm doing a prep I'm starting my
prep next week actually and there's like, like people that
have never done a bodybuilding show, there's a lot of adverse
that goes in with that, it Because it's like a lot.
It's like when you when you break it apart it's all really,
you know, simple stuff. It's not easy, but it's simple
like, it's not like, yeah, you know, anybody can have a
rockstar day at the gym and you making have a rockstar daily
nutrition. But to do so consistently
without deviation for four, five, six, seven months, at a
time. That's where it gets challenging
+1, having a rock star six months.
Is that that that part that you know, those moments where you're
kind of on autopilot and you're like you know I got to do my My
30 45, 60 minutes of cardio and today's a lower carb day, and
I'm not feeling it. I don't want to, but you got to,
anyways, it's those conversations that you just, you
don't. That's my biggest thing.
People always ask me, it drives me nuts.
They're like, how do you stay so motivated?
I'm like, I don't like, what do you mean?
Like I literally want to watch Netflix and lay on my back all
day. I don't want to do this stuff.
I don't want to do cardio for 6090 minutes and want to do any
of this. I want to eat chicken.
You know, I want a fat steak, it's not about motivation, it's
about discipline, you know, like how do you develop the
discipline to do stuff? You need to do even when you
don't feel like doing it. It's not a matter of motivation,
it's a matter of commitment. So on that note, it since funny
man and you'll get this reference since you read learn
holiday, but my Manifesto, I do it Manifesto every year.
So this year is Manifesto is discipline as Destiny after his
latest book and I feel like for people like you and I People
that listen to this podcast that are of the same breed.
Like the issue is not really. How do you stay motivated or
stay disciplined to do it? But that's just kind of like the
default. That's just kind of what we do.
We weren't born like that, but we've become built like that.
I just what we do, the hard part becomes, how do you know when
to, you know, turn it off or push the pause button, like
return to some degree of normalcy for everybody else's
sake and your own sake but then not let that become not that it
would. Become you wouldn't linger in
that realm for too long. But how do you know when it's
the point of okay, I should push the pause, but I should actually
kick my feet up and relax for like an afternoon and not feel
guilty about it. Thing is like how do you relax
and not feel guilty? That's what I struggle with man,
and this is something that like, I feel.
So out of place in my my world among like entrepreneurship and
stuff, I've built like a really successful career in terms of
public speaking. That guy's a keynote speaker.
I've gotten my my dream car on my dream.
A place like I'm doing some big gigs that are like crazy and
people value my time and I feel like I've really made it, you
know? And from financially to business
goals to like, we're just what I've done.
But I am not like a lot of these people because maybe it's
because I went to therapy, you know, maybe it's because I
trusted their best to work on some of these issues, but I have
such good work-life balance and most people in my position will
not say that. Yeah, I don't feel guilty when I
take time off anymore, you know, I used to but I've come to
understand like what I was chased out.
Chasing money. I was chasing business.
I was chasing physiques all of that.
The the main goal was quality of life.
Hmm. You know, so in the pursuit of
all these topical things, these superficial things, I was, I
wanted those things to have quality of life, but in the
pursuit of them, I was reducing my quality of life to trying to
get the things that I thought would give me quality of life
and it didn't make sense. You know, I heard someone say,
the desire for happiness is a negative experience.
And that really had that weight on me heavily, the desire for
happiness is a negative experience.
The wanting of something you don't have is - and I was like,
damn how crazy is that? We're constantly carrot on the
stick mentality as entrepreneurs or as people who are driven, you
want something you want to, you want you want, you want the
disease, you want the business, you want the money, you want the
listeners? You want.
All of these things, you want. All these things, you don't
have. So you're left in a state.
Eight of wanting, which is always a lack of fulfillment.
Mmm, it's exhausting. So of course, you feel guilty
for not doing something that you're already, not fulfilled
with. But imagine if we'll take this,
imagine if you're on this podcast right now, you and I
were talking in, this is everything we need.
We have full contentment and we are just in the moment and we
enjoy everything about it. Not think about all the other
things we need to do. We have demonized the word
contentment to mean Dad or lazy. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think us. What man is this crazy?
I don't think it's him is bad. Think like I like Place via
content. I don't like the idea of being
complacent and I don't like the idea of being satisfied,
satisfied. You can kind of give and take
depend on how you frame that but I think contentment is not a bad
thing at all. I feel like a lot of people
especially like entrepreneurs business people athletes like
they have a hard time understanding.
What is enough like for you? What is the, what is the word
enough mean? And yet for me enough I got I
reached enough at the beginning of last year.
Yeah. I hit some financial goals and
some personal goals that I've always wanted and I was like,
wow, this is great and I have a few friends who are in the
entrepreneurial space so I but man if you tripled your output
right now, you could, you could do so much.
I'm like, you're right, I could, but I don't need to.
Yeah, I was like, I stopped waving the carrot on the stick
and I just grabbed her care. And I was like, damn, I like
this. This is nice right now.
Can I push it at any time? Absolutely.
Um, I'm still working on stuff. Absolutely.
We but I really value my time with my girlfriend.
You know, I really value my time in the gym.
I really value being able to take in what I'm doing and be on
this podcast and just enjoy this process without trying to rush
to do the next thing I've really valued being present and that's
helped my diabetes. It's helped my mental States
helped my business, you know, and my relationship.
So, the three factors in life for everyone, I feel like in my
personal opinion are Health wealth and happiness.
You know, happiness is like crossing the finish line, so
you're not going to constantly cross Finish Lines.
So I like to talk about contentment, if you're not
content, a majority of the time like content and what you're
doing, even if you're pursuing the goal, you're relaxing.
Are you do you experience contentment?
And if you don't, when is that ever going to happen?
Is it conditional like do you have to get get 2x to
experience? Why?
I just don't want my life to be conditional anymore?
You know, I lived 20 years of my life.
That way. So prior to this past year where
you kind of reach that point of enough like was your what you
able to kind of like find pockets of contentment you know
in that Journey or was it pretty much just like your head down
and grinding up until reaching that point.
It was head down grinding and anytime I'll be super honest and
I don't think I've ever said this before, I did a TV show at
the Rock, You Know, Titan games and that was incredible, but
even being on the show, all I could think about is what else I
had to do. Oh yeah, you know and I was like
looking back. I'm like man, I loved that
experience. But like I was still in the head
space of nothing isn't no. Satisfaction is the death of
Desire that used to be my favorite saying and I don't
think that's true anymore. Man.
I don't think satisfaction is the death of Desire, the lack of
effort to death. You know of desired doing
something like, you can still put effort, you can be satisfied
and still put effort into what you want to do.
No, why do we have this black? And white Narrative of, you
know, if I'm satisfied, then nothing will ever be good.
I love being satisfied with where I'm at in the process of
pursuing more. I love that.
Yeah, I like that a lot. I feel like effort is the great
equalizer in life. Like there's, you know, pros and
cons everything. There's different degrees of
output but just simply putting forth.
Effort is like the thing that you have the most tangible
impact on. Yeah.
And I mean you're in control of the intensity of effort to
because hundred percent effort is not the same effort every day
if you're sick. 100% effort is very different than 100 percent
effort on your best bet, but the hundred percent part is relative
to each moment. Are you giving the effort that
you can or that you should towards what, you know, you need
to do that? No one can take away from you.
No one can affect that. That is no one else's
responsibility. You can't blame her finger point
effort to anyone else. I like them and so I totally
agree. You mentioned like the three
keys to happiness. I said, this last week on a
podcast, like people, you look at people and they have like, a
relationships used happiest, hate relationships, and then
health, and wealth. Like those three things.
You look at a lot of the Uber successful people.
They have all the money in the world, but their health is in
disarray and the relationships are on the Rocks.
Like, oh, yeah. It seems very scarce to see some
of the has all three of those primary things in a pretty good
standing. But I'm I'm so content with all
three of those things and it's wild in, I have a friend who I
talked to all the time and he's constantly gathering at how do I
get there? How do I get there?
I'm like, man, you are there, you're just not accepting that
you're there. You know, you are there like you
have if you have the relationship that you're
building whether it's with your friends, your family, or a
significant other or even your dog, you know?
Like yeah you have everything you need to be content right
now. Now and if the first thing you
say to me saying that is but you are looking for excuses to
validate your misery or validate your lack of happiness, you
know, and you don't need me for that.
You don't need me for that conversation because I'm not
trying to take that away from you.
It's not protecting me. What do you think of when people
like when people have this rags-to-riches story, so to
speak and they the thought and the the perception and the
memory of misery is what drives them to be more than that.
But then you reach that point that is more than that.
But it's almost like that desire for Breaking Free of that world
is what drove them in the first place.
Like the like, you know, in like the That I think Seneca was the
one to bet he would once a month or something like that.
He would live on the streets, you know, not having him as blah
blah, I live for yeah. Poor said he can maintain that
hunger. Like how do you juggle that?
I think it's important to recognize what your drivers are,
because if your driver is solely pain of the past, which for me
awhile, it was eventually you're gonna outgrow that and then if
you no longer have pain, do you lose all your effort?
Do you lose all your drive? It's like anything it takes
reassessment, you know, you have to reassess what your drivers
are and understand if you're doing the work to get to your
goals, you should probably have some sort of plan that once you
get to that goal, what are you going to do next?
What's your driver going to be? Then, you know, if it's
flexible, you're great, but if it's rigid in the sense of
you're trying to escape something that's not working
towards a great quality of life that's running away from a fear.
Yeah, you know, if you're if you're solely based in fear, I
think fear. Be an amazing motivator.
When contained, if you do not again, what we talked about in
stoicism, if you don't domesticate your emotion to your
being one of them, you're going to be run by it.
And a lot of, I see a lot of entrepreneurs and people run by
the fear of past, the fear of money, the fear of being broker
the fear of something. And while that can be a good
tool, if you get overrun by the tool, you're not using the tool
the tool has using you. So I like to maintain control of
my life in the best way possible, which is Understanding
my reasons assessing you know my awareness of what I'm currently
going through and how I'm reacting to see if that's
relevant to the life. I want to live like them. 100%
man. What's got you excited now?
Like what when you reach this point of like contentment and
contentment and what you've accomplished?
What what drives is there? Like something on the horizon or
is it more? So a matter of you just want to
soak up every little moment of your present being There's a
few, a few drivers. I think there's long-term and
like short-term present drivers like I'm in the process of
moving right now. So I'm taking this podcast for
my brother's house and got to see my dog that I haven't seen
in a little while like that was so I enjoyed that so much being
able to see my dog, you know? And I feel like that level of
Simplicity and contentment and happiness scares entrepreneurs
because they're afraid of being satisfied.
They're afraid of being too, calm.
Being too like simple, but it has to be big.
If it doesn't have thickened zeros behind, it doesn't matter.
You know, we we kind of invalidate all the other little
happy moment. So that short-term drivers for
me or just like regular life stuff, man, having a great gym
day, you know, eating on plan and accomplishing a task seeing
my girlfriend, you know, happy can be the simplest stuff, you
know, long-term drivers, I still have my business goals, you
know, I'm in the process of developing.
Speaker coach program to help people, become more effective
speakers. But at the same time, build a
speaking business to get to some of the level of success that
I've been fortunate enough to experience.
And I kind of had to pave the way for myself.
So that's a huge driver for me, because I'd love to be the
person that helps other speakers, especially in
marginalized communities become a voice for their community and
to get paid from it. So that's a, that's a big
motivator for me, looking forward.
I think I eventually want to go back into To somebody real and
stuff might want to go pro but overall man, I'm just super
happy with how everything's turned out and I'll own up to my
responsibilities which is I'm really happy with the decisions
I made around everything that's happened and the decisions I've
made that got me to this point right now.
Yeah, now let that men when it comes to speaking.
Like what when did you start speaking like as a profession?
I started speaking probably five years ago and I knew I wanted to
speak. Like I've always been in good
good in front of people, you know, kind of socially awkward
sometimes and more of an introvert.
But when I'm on stage, I feel like I performed best because in
crowds, I felt weird. But on stage, I felt like it was
just me. And I could, I can control that,
you know, So I got invited to speak at a buddies nonprofit and
I'd never spoke before, but I just wanted to help out.
I did it and people loved it. But I knew I could do better,
you know. I was like that was great, but
imagine if I took this seriously, you know, so I took
it seriously and I went to courses and classes like
Toastmasters and studied communication and wanted to
understand what made a good story and how to deliver a
message. You know?
I didn't want to be that speaker.
That just says, woe is me story and people Lap.
Yeah, you know I realized that my story is a vessel for the
message, not the other way around.
So I spent years man, build in this out.
I did 30 plus talks for free to the point where I got my first
offer to get a paid gig. I don't even know what an
honorarium was had to Google it while I was on the phone with
her event planner and I just said, you know, do whatever the
last guy did and they gave me like a thousand bucks.
I was like, that's crazy. Yeah, you know, my mom, my mom,
one probably still doesn't know what I do for a living but to
She would joke she'd like you used to get in trouble for
speaking and how you get paid to do it, you know.
And I've been fortunate to build this career of being a highly
sought-after keynote speaker in my space.
Do you select this course at your building at that's best
going to be what all those Toastmaster and classes were for
you but it's me for somebody else through your medium.
It's going to be much more detailed in this sense of like
the psychology behind a good speaker plus the business side
of things. So like how to get Get your
first paid speaking gig, how to be a paid speaker, and it's the
No Nonsense, no marketing type stuff.
I genuinely want to work with people, to make sure that that
when they go on stage, I believe everyone has a story to share
but not everyone knows the message.
So getting people to understand the difference between a story
and a message to allow for True impact.
That's what I want to help people and help people cross
that bridge. It's exciting, man.
When is that supposedly going to come out today?
I'm hoping by the end of this year, man.
I know I'm going to take like a few private clients.
Have a cue to cue people message me on LinkedIn.
Just to like try and work with me.
I'm not accepting my clients right now but I hope by the end
of this year I'll have something up.
I'm more focused on the quality than just like getting a bunch
of people in. Yeah so as as we go throughout
this year I'll definitely develop something out a little
bit more but I'm so highly ecstatic about Doing this and
like getting to the point where I can give back because when I
started as a speaker, I don't have anyone to really look at,
you know, I wasn't sure. I just saw a bunch of like old
people and I was, like, man, is that what speaking is, like, do
I have to be that? And I didn't, I made my own
version and it turned out pretty okay.
The end public speaking is something that I'm passionate
about, but I haven't really sink my teeth into as much as I know.
I need to like I speak at a bunch of nutrition conferences
and I enjoy that but I haven't like, honed.
Like, I haven't made it a point to hone those skills, you know,
specific like I feel pretty confident talking to people.
I've like, podcasting has helped make me a better speaker for
sure, but I have absolutely. Yeah.
Like that's probably the single best thing I've ever done from a
speaking standpoint, but it's not like, you know, what can I
do with the intention of becoming a better keynote
speaker and that's something that I would like to get into
because I just want to feel more confident, deliver a better
message to people. Because I think that mean that's
like, how you Communicate is powerful man.
Like people and especially nowadays like people, crave that
genuine connection that they're not getting on Tik-Tok or
Instagram DMG, you know. Oh yeah.
And that that's I actually, I
wrote a book called the upper hand and IT addresses that whole
like, communication is key thing.
But I just I never agreed with that being the first step, you
know, I believe self communication is key.
Because if you can't communicate with yourself, how do you expect
other people to communicate with you?
You know. So, my whole book talks about
communication internally and that's where most people have to
start. Once you learn how to
communicate internally and you know what, you're trying to say
with Clarity and confidence. It's much easier to convey to
one person. Let alone a room full of people,
whether it's 20 or 2000, you know?
And a lot of communication is past being able to say a
sentence without like, or um, it comes down to, is your message
clear? And is it written or said, in a
way that helps other people? People no one cares about your
story, they care about what your story does for them.
And that took a long time for me to understand and once I got
that, it's not about you talking.
It's about what the audience can take away.
That was a game-changer for me. Yeah.
How did you cross the chasm between doing a bunch of free
speaking gigs to getting paid? I know you said that they
reached out and offered to pay you.
But like for you personally, you know like I feel like a lot of
people have this with coaching, you see a lot of time like
people like people will ask for free coaching because I know you
should just feel like you should coach nutrition them.
Healthier the community is the better.
But like if you have a profession, if you have a skill
set that people would find benefit in like you have to make
a living too. So like for you personally how
did you go from wanting and being willing to speak free to
know that you were valued at such a rate that required or,
you know, incentivised there to be a compensation there.
This is gonna sound so dumb, but I just started asking for money.
You know, that was the big difference before, I never asked
for money and once I started asking, I started getting it.
And people are, there's no way it said he know, it really is
you, your worth, is what you said it at.
So if you're free, people come to know you as freak.
If you charge 100 bucks, people come to know you charge 100
bucks. And how do we know this is true?
Will we have these limiting beliefs?
About what we're worth. Perfect example is, would you
buy the All right. Now, probably not.
You know, but does that mean? No one is interested in
helicopters, know there's a whole group of people who buy
helicopters, don't take your limiting belief and establish it
as a fact feelings are not fast in the beginning, I felt like I
was only worth nothing, you know, I felt like I should speak
for free because I'm doing good, but then, I realized there are
speakers, getting paid 20,000 50,000 100,000 dollars for a
keynote. And I'm like, Wait, why are they
better than me? If so why don't I get better?
Yeah. Why don't I learn and I started
running and then I start asking like okay what is a what is a
$5000 speaker look like, do I look like a $5000 speaker?
So I looked at 5,000. Our speakers on like speaker
Bureau web sites and I was like, wow, their website through a
nice like. Okay, I could I could do better
with mine. Wow, they're speaker, real is
really nice. I could do better with mine.
Wow, they have their message very concise.
I could either. So I became this 5,000, our
speaker and I was like, what is a, what is the $7500 speaker?
Look like what is a ten thousand dollar speaker?
What is a fifteen thousand dollar speaker look like for 30
minutes and I started emulating what they look like and getting
better and better and better and it's, it's crazy.
What happens when you start accepting that?
There is a lot of Simplicity and just doing things getting things
done and not psyching yourself out, you know, if you say no one
would ever pay? That I promise you people would
pay that and people would pay ten times that the right group
of people, the wrong group of people will never pay that.
There's a reason why we have public transportation and we
have through Gatti's. Yeah, you know, who God is much
more expensive than a dollar bus trip ride but there is spaces
for both and there's opportunities in both, you know,
so don't cancel out one thinking, oh, that would never
happen. It's not that, that would never
happen. That might not happen with your
current mindset or with your current clientele.
But what could happen instead of just pushing stuff off?
Ask what can I do with? Where I'm at right now.
That's the real question. Yeah, 100% agreement.
I feel like a lot of people you see this all the time in
business PC then everything really but like people are so
familiar with certain like a certain lifestyle, a certain
mentality. They associate themselves with
certain people and that just becomes what they what they
comprehend that that's just what their Active of X Y or Z is and
then you just assume that to cross over into the next tier.
It's like this massive, you know, 10 X Factor in quality,
performance, X, Y, or Z but more often than not.
It's not that at all. It's just simply a total shift
in mindset and allowing you to think differently.
So like when people are at that lower level, they're trying to
tear up. Like how do you, how does one at
a lower level start to interact with people at a higher?
Level in order to Simply gain that perspective that they
wouldn't otherwise gain. I think like I said, start
internal, you know, like do you look like what you want to
charge for whether that's a business coach or any sort of
coaching or business in general? Even if it's speaking, what do
people in your space? Because you're probably not the
only one? What do people in your space
charge and if they charge more, how do they look?
How does their online Persona or their overall business?
Look, And does yours look comparable to because if it if
yours looks really comparable, then you're doing yourself a
disservice. You know, you can the hardest
part is believing that you can charge more believing that you
can charge some you know that initial step.
So a lot of people are in the lower tiers simply because they
don't ask for more. Yeah, so true man.
So true. What are you reading right now?
So I have been overeating. Let me, let me preface this by
saying, Ryan holiday was my absolute favorite author, but
there is a tie right now between Ryan holiday and Brianna Weiss.
I love her so much. I love her writing style.
Even did like a coaching call with her.
I think her stuff is incredible. So 101 essays that will change
the way you think is like the equivalent of the obstacles.
The way for me I can read those. I can put to any And page and
get something. Those two books are constant.
It's called 101 essays. That will change the way you
think. It's my man understood.
What was her name? Brianna waste Briana once?
Okay, I'll check that out. Oh man is so good.
But the audiobook I'm listening to right now is radical Candor
that one. Is that one gets me fired up
because it's about management styles and it's about being
honest, but not brutally honest, but direct so there's no it the
Datian. And that book is so vital.
So if you are a manager, if you want better communication at
home or in business, if you want to just learn how to
communicate, more directly man, that book has really given me so
many tools and tactics to like really progress in terms of
negotiation proposals and just communication in general.
I feel like a lot of people lose the stuff they want in life
because they're afraid to ask for it.
So it's kind of relevant of how we're talking about money and
cost. Yeah, but it could be anything
from Getting an idea across to money to just you know, really
communicating better without feeling weird about
communicating your needs. Yeah, what's so interesting?
Like, people are fearful to put themselves out there and have a
candid conversation even if it's a if especially if it's a
challenging conversation or their attention is going to be a
little high but to not have that conversation.
Even if it is a hard conversation, like the remorse
and regret that follows that in my opinion, far outweighs any,
tensity that could. Be in the moment of the
conversation, exactly. But it's kind site that we see
that, you know, in the moment we think this is the worst thing
ever, but in hindsight would like, I really wish we would
have said this, I really wish I would have asked for this, you
know, or acknowledge this that can't be a hindsight thing
because for everything to move forward and maintain quality,
you have to be directing the moment.
So those are just some of the stuff I'm reading, but I really
believe in improving myself so I can improve the people and
situations around me persimmon have Listen to David Gang whose
new book? Yeah.
Is that can't can't? What is the?
Inter means is first one. Everest was the second one.
No, I didn't hear the second one.
Yeah, I'm happy to get that. He has pretty good man.
I'd be curious to get your thoughts on it because you don't
know, just like people that are people like you people like me
people that want to go to the nth degree but then like you're
saying also be able to find that contentment in life like I don't
know just like picking people's brains about that kind of stuff.
Absolutely. And everyone has different
opinions. You know, some people love the
super hardcore like That motivates them and that's
nothing is wrong. You just have to see what you
identify with and helps you maintain the quality of life
that you want. You know, there is no Finish
Line and I think a lot of people think that there's a Finish Line
to like success or there's a Finish Line to mental health or
there's no Finish Line. You, if you don't enjoy the race
itself, you're going to be miserable because you're
pretending like there's a stopping point, you know?
And that doesn't exist. 100% man when I did my first bodybuilding
competition, it was definitely like a Finish Line.
Tality. And then after the show was
over, like I lost 80 pounds in. 12 weeks, minute is not healthy,
it's insane. I don't have the bunch of
diminish orders, like and those plagued me for years afterwards,
but like, now, like with this prep time doing this, this year,
starting the week, like, my goal is to have like this, no Finish
Line mentality. And then the real goal is to do
it in such a way that my wife wouldn't even know that I'm in a
prep, that's the challenge, right?
Yeah, yeah. See, I love that, though.
That's, that's what it should be.
I was, I've fallen victim to that kind of stuff all the time.
Where you think? If I get this, then things will
be amazing that conditional philosophy.
If I had X then I would be happy, you know?
And it's like the bodybuilding, you know, if I got on stage, you
get off stage now. You're depressed.
You don't look as good, you're sad, you gain the weight, back
your self sabotage. It's like, wow, for a minute of
Finish Line. I created two years of pain, you
know, and it's like, Something's Gotta Give.
So the way you're doing it now. Absolutely love.
And you're setting up real goals aside from the competition,
which is just maintaining quality of life at home in the
process of doing something. That is so incredibly hard for
anyone who's never gone through that a prep, I've power lifted
for years, I've dedicated 675 pounds with blood is coming out
of the fingertips of my residual, limb, you know, that
dulls in comparison to the difficulty of a bodybuilding
prep, because food nutrition mindset, you know, mentality
relationships all Of these things are on the line.
So, hats off to you for being able to pull that off, and I'd
love to follow up with you and see how that goes.
Yeah, for sure, man, I appreciate that.
Well, think I was think about this the other day and I was
actually recording the podcast with my wife on this.
It's like when people do things that they know are really,
really challenging things, like things that are really difficult
that few people do. It's like you give yourself the
permission to be an asshole to everybody else when you're doing
that. It really hard thing.
Whereas if you just simply never give yourself that permission to
Is place, you'll likely not be an asshole.
Well, I mean, that's a bad thing about being an asshole,
especially around prep. No one else is doing this prep
and no one is forcing you to do this prep.
You have no right to be an asshole to other people who
aren't choosing a lifestyle that you're choosing, you know, and
it's tough. Because when you're in it, it's
like damn, it's so all-consuming.
You're so stressed and I see your hormones are crazy out of
whack, but you gotta understand. This is your choice.
No one is forcing you to is no one feels bad for you.
No one, it's not a sob story, like you're doing.
This. So Own, It own up that you're
choosing this and own up that it's your responsibility to not
only manage your prep, but to manage your lack of beat, like,
you can't be an asshole, you have to be a normal person
because it's not fair to anyone else in your life.
And if I was in their life and some was being an asshole to me
because of the choice they made, I would be less likely to see
that person because I'm like why are you taking it out on me?
That's your lack of management skills.
Not anything do with me 100% man.
He said you're moving where you headed to what state?
I'm so I'm still in Florida but I went to downtown Fort
Lauderdale so I've always wanted to live in Like a downtown area
for at least like a year or so. So I'm doing that experiencing
my girlfriend and from there were probably just going to
bounce around the country and live a different space, every
year and a half, two years and explore.
Explore, what we have to offer. You know it's not something like
exploring. I think just simply getting out
of your like we're talking earlier about how getting out of
your own tier is often just a shift in mindset.
But one of the most tangible things that you can do.
Do to break free of that. It just simply see new sites.
Interact with new people travel and just see different cultures,
different different monuments. Different Landscapes different
climates. Just expose yourself to
different things. Yeah, and that's a choice, man.
It's a hard choice to make because we get so comfortable.
And I talk about that in my book to a lot of times we get
comfortable with paying to, you know, like, in one of the last
concepts of six Concepts in my book.
I talk about your hand on the stove, you know, and we're
comfortable with the pain. We Ino.
Yeah, we would rather be hurt by the things we know, then the
unknown, that could have so much better potential, but it's, it's
why people stay in bad relationships.
Why people stay at bad jobs? We are comfortable knowing the
amount of pain even though it's a lot versus the risk of it
being worse. Even though their likelihood of
it being better, We're interesting species, man.
Yeah, that's to say the least. Yeah.
For sure. How would you Chris?
I'm 32 32 nice, man. Very cool.
You are absolutely killing it, brother.
I'm excited to follow. I'm gonna get your book.
What's the name of it? Again?
It's called the upper hand partially because I like making
dad jokes about my disability, but realistically, it's because
I just want people to learn how to get the upper hand over
themselves because for so long, I didn't have that and I really
consider my life starting about five years ago when I started.
Stop hiding who I was awesome. And I love it brother.
Why would definitely read you book?
I can't thank you enough for taking time to jump on his
podcast with me, man. There's everything I could do by
all means. Let me know where people go to
find out more about you and dive deeper into your world.
Yes. So everything is just that my
name Chris Rudin whether it's my website.
Chris word.com or my socials feel free to drop me.
A message to go on a chat. Start a conversation, anyone
feel free? You know, I'm around and always
available. So I really appreciate you
having me man for sure. And the, when you come up with
that That speaking course that's going to be through the website
as well. It'll probably be on my website.
Yeah, but I'll definitely be talking about it on my social.
So even if you're a speaker now, are you interested in speaking?
Feel free to throw some questions my way because if
anything that would help me develop something that's going
to help a lot of people. So don't hesitate to ask
questions, sounds good, man. I might just take you up on it.
I might be asking. Yeah, please do.
Awesome. Chris, will you have a wonderful
day, man? Keep kicking ass.
And keep in touch, man. Appreciate you, man.
Thank you, man.