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What's going on Ian Roberts? 
Thanks, keto Savage.com. 

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And today I've got special, 
repeat guests. 

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Logan Devon from the me and 
McGee Market on the line. 

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Logan is a good friend of mine. 
He has a basically like this 

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super awesome Farmers Market 
here in Arkansas, more south 

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from us now, but we've been 
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He's got an awesome operation, 
all kinds of goodies there, and 

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he's just really pouring into 
the local Community Helping from

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an agricultural standpoint from 
a ranching standpoint. 

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His son Lander was diagnosed 
with cancer at a very, very 

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early age. 
Age. 

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And he kind of had to just throw
himself in and learn how you can

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mitigate against cancer and he 
did that's completely in 

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remission and he's healthier 
than ever. 

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And he did a lot of that while 
following a ketogenic diet. 

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So thoroughly enjoyed all the 
topic around that, he's just 

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recently written a book and had 
it published that goes into that

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entire Journey. 
So, anytime I can bring him on 

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to the store on the show here, 
haven't talked about a story, 

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have them, throw some positivity
out there, some some good 

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mindset tips out there. 
It's worth my while to have them

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on here. 
It's If y'all want to listen, so

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that for their do is sit back. 
Relax. 

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Enjoy the podcast with Logan 
Duvall. 

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We are live. 
Logan. 

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How are you, man? 
I'm doing great. 

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Robert. 
Are, ye I'm doing wonderfully. 

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Well, brother. 
It's been a while since I had 

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you back on the show, man. 
It's a very about hadn't 

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listened to the first episode. 
I want to say it was like a year

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or two ago now, but we talked 
about, you know, the me and 

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McGee Market. 
Kind of what you got going on 

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there, your son, and all of, 
that's, that's transpired in 

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that regard, but you've recently
come out with a book that that 

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relates specifically to the 
journey that you've had with 

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your In his battle to cancer. 
So I definitely want to have it 

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all that man. 
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there. 
Just kind of bring me up to 

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speed, man. 
What's been going on in your 

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world? 
Well, since since we last 

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talked, we've ended up having 
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agriculture. 
So really, really big into that 

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and ended up having a TV show on
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know, being able to highlight 
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in Arkansas and that's that's 
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Just an extension of what we do 
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Well, your media guy Patrick 
That was your meeting last time.

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I talked to him kind of small 
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So my media got chip. 
I got introduced to chip through

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Patrick, when I was filming 
something at your market and 

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every time I've talked to 
Patrick since then he just keeps

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telling about what you got going
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you're putting outs, you know, 
the message is Sharon and and 

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just a local impact you're 
making in the state. 

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Honestly, not just locally like 
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state and Beyond and it's just 
super cool man. 

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It's super cool to see you. 
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and running with it and just 
adding so much positive vibe and

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value at in the world. 
I mean, I appreciate that. 

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I think well, there's so many of
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different focuses. 
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enough people just trying to put
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makes a huge impact across the 
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Totally totally agree, man. 
So, if anybody has not listened 

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to the first episode, they need 
a little bit of context here. 

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So I keep referring to your 
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Can you kind of shed, a little 
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exactly? 
Me and the game Market was a, it

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is a farmers market style 
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grandparents started in in North
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And we work with man, a bunch of
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So people that make homemade 
pickles and Breads and carry all

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kinds of meat grass-fed, meats 
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So everything that you kind of 
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have and then the other side of 
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As being diagnosed with cancer, 
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component that has nothing to do
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No, it's all focused on the 
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still used to give his body 
every chance to get through what

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cancer and Cancer Treatments. 
Do I love it, man? 

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So you basically kind of took 
over the operation of the 

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market, correct? 
I'm a partner. 

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It's my grandparents started at 
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A partner, and then I'm a 
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So, yep. 
Got you. 

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Got you. 
And that was all the thing. 

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That was all formed long before 
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I'm not sure what time it was 
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everything. 
But so, you kind of had your 

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hands deep into the market 
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Absolutely. 
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food, Local, Food Systems, all, 
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we did even prior to Lander. 
What was, what was your 

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grandparents motivation for? 
Starting this in the first place

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man. 
There was no no plan whatsoever.

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My grandma. 
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the property. 
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gonna we're retired. 
We're going to go pick up the 

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cons shall them, and then you 
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the roads, what she told, my 
grandpa, and he's like, well, 

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you've lost your mind, but I'll 
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having agree and went out and 
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know, that was big big money for
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And it just kind of snowballed 
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They put in a little garden 
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People started pulling in asking
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moms, like, y'all need to just 
put a little market and sell 

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your pecans and the produce and 
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It's just it's just grown a lot 
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But there was never a plan 
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It was just they were going to 
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And that's that market is in the
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That's always been. 
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folks. 
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there. 
It is. 

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Yep. 
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market, which was probably I 
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now like you pull in and there's
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house, but the market isn't the 
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There's all these like little 
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shops that are built up. 
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them. 
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cold meat storage. 
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you get like a little bar with 
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stuff in and I mean, it's super 
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What y'all have done there. 
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blending the world of the, The 
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Also, kind of like a all, the 
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like Whole Foods, the whole vibe
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I mean, it's just like a really 
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good positive vine place to get 
any of your produce, any of your

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meet, any of your anything, 
bunch of eggs, all kinds of good

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stuff. 
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that was, was just the 
restrictions of not having the 

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money to do anything, but these 
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pretty cool. 
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like you, I mean, it seems like 
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voice of it, as least, as far as
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I guess you just rolled up your 
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youngest of the generations. 
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So you figured you'd, you know, 
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Yeah, what, what happened there 
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and it was a long really, really
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Battle esophageal and 
Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma where his

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diagnosis. 
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pulled my grandma into a 
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And so my mom ended up moving 
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hand, and then got more involved
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And when she got involved, she 
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level and did really good with 
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And that that took off. 
My grandpa ended up passing away

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and at that point the market had
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could handle at that point. 
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become a partner and that's 
that's when you know, that added

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layer came in there with me. 
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I mean, I didn't know anything 
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marketing and dove in and just 
wanted to give my grandma and 

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mom, you know, retirement. 
It and something that they could

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be supplemented for and earn a 
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No, it's super cool. 
Man, with a super cool. 

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What you doing? 
Because it's like you've been 

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doing that exclusively now for 
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and the amount of impact you 
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community. 
I mean, you probably could not 

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even touch that with any other 
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in. 
No, and I left real estate in 

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working on an ambulance do this.
So, very wide range of 

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experiences. 
And this is very, very 

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rewarding. 
You're when you're building that

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local economy, and you give the 
farmer is an outlet and they get

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to do what they love and they 
grow that and you're able to 

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connect with these people. 
That have a desire for the 

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high-quality good old timing, 
just good food. 

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It just is really, really 
rewarding and it's like people 

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on a local level need to band 
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build off of each other. 
Because the way, the way things 

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are set up. 
I love to get your opinion on 

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this. 
But like, the way things are set

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up from like a business 
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It doesn't really do the local 
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the family-owned business. 
Any favors like, it doesn't 

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really make it easy for those 
scales size businesses to just 

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Excel and grow, because 
everything's kind of You know, 

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built around just this larger 
Corporation style mentality. 

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I agree. 
And Lord, I could go off on a 

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rabbit trail with that. 
But the the system is definitely

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not set up for small businesses 
to succeed in most cases. 

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And I actually, I have a 
business coach and I would 

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highly recommend everybody have 
a mentor at at a minimum because

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there's so much that we can just
apply from what somebody else's 

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experience. 
Instead of trying to reinvent 

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the will and Through. 
So, the small business is a 

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pillar, absolute pillar of a 
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Adkins is known for pickles. 
So the pickle City and it was a 

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relatively small business, but 
in employed the majority of the 

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people outside of the the school
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killed the community and being 
in agriculture now and traveling

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the state and filming and doing 
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I see that story. 
We replicated across the state. 

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There was a steel mill there. 
There was a processing facility 

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or there was whatever industry. 
It was it left and it just 

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destroyed the local economy. 
So the only way that I know to 

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do that is to get refocused on 
that grass roots and have more 

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entrepreneurs on that look that 
that bottom level strengthening 

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it. 
And I think that's what we have 

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to do. 
And we have to do that by We 

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vote with our dollars. 
You know, where are you going to

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spend your money? 
100% agree, man. 

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I feel like you know, I'm not in
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we've kept all of our operation 
under our own roof from the very

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beginning and in doing that and 
kind of communicating with other

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business owners that produce a 
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Like, that's an oddity man, like
most people Outsource wherever 

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possible, they go through a 
co-packer they go through 

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manufacturer, even outside the 
food industry, like with the 

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apparel and textile industry. 
Everything's overseas. 

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It's very Find people and 
entrepreneurs that are building 

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and Manufacturing something with
their own hands and not just 

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simply shipping it off to some 
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And I feel like in doing that 
over the years. 

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I've just gained so much 
appreciation, respect for those 

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that decide to keep things in 
their own, you know, under their

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own roof. 
Because it's, there's a lot of 

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stresses and anxiety. 
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that I hate the word balance, 
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you got to put a lot of work to 
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you gotta take care of yourself 
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no one had done lots of 

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marketing and promotional 
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They just have totally not 
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or, you know, that has been 
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You've has given you a big Roi 
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Fully embraced social media and 
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Make sure, you know where you're
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where do they hang out? 
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and working it in a way that 
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value, just do, what is the 
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It's all about the experience. 
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Get away from the stresses of 
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Get what they're looking for, 
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just made. 
Want and they just feel good 

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when they leave. 
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It's like a big box store. 
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you just don't feel good when 
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the exact opposite of what you 
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Thing I try to do with social 
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look at stuff. 
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it's fun or its educational in 
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Just give value this give value,
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Hey, buy My Salsa. 
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that is where you turn people 
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Community. 
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whole gay. 
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you know, mentality with the 
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asking for a cell. 
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I'm right there with you. 
The one just being stretched 

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too, thin, with all the 
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Like I don't have a tick tock. 
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Like there's just so many things
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dive into because I'm just one 
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Maybe I should Outsource some of
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employees. 
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But like you run yourself ragged
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at once, and you don't want to 
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I'm a huge John Lee Dumas fan, 
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know, go a go a mile deep 
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wide going inch inch wide and a 
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You just go into what you're 
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So with regard to the type of 
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with the market and I don't 
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I don't need know what, all the 
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I was talking to Patrick with it
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But so you're traveling. 
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getting their story. 
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through the markets media 
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what are you doing? 
Exactly there? 

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And what we did is me just 
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of Ag and the state. 
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public-private partnership and 
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highlighting. 
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So for example, we go up to the 
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with Bean Fields about what what
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utilizing food grown in a 
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a Hydroponics system and it was 
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how they were Preparing People 
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Bridges and visited with the 
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locally raised lamb and do that,
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Happy there. 
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Basically every corner gone down
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Bluff and visited with a 
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kinds of specialty crops. 
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highlighting the local. 
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making a difference or doing 
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learning about, where does your 
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saw how they're raising and 
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Cushaw squash to make up some 
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So it's just showing that whole 
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about you know me. 
He Market, it was all about just

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agriculture, which you know, 
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Agriculture. 
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I feel like most of my audience 
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this belief that you need to 
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The quality of your food is 
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is super important, you know, 
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know, sometimes buying some kind
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and focus on the quality and the
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anything. 
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going I'm out in the 
highlighting these agricultural 

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entities, and ranchers, and 
Farmers that are doing just that

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finish as to how it gets to your
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At the end of day is pretty 
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there's so we have gotten as a 
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somebody to do. 
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that you're doing it all in 
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I mean, that definitely hits 
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Because, you know, I've grown up
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This is where I call home for 
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And Arkansas is a funny state, 
man, like, I travel all over and

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whenever I ask people, I tell 
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Like they they either say, oh, 
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only thing they associate with 
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That's pretty much it, you know,
sometimes I may mention the 

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Razorbacks, but Arkansas is 
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national level. 
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not really like this quote 
unquote thing that Arkansas is 

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known for Arkansas is such a 
cool State. 

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There's so many great things 
going forward, so many awesome. 

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You know, there's something 
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Businesses are so many awesome 
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Ranchers are so many local 
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killing it with whatever they're
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places, you know, like, I'm up 
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so, like, they're just so much 
Vibe and culture and just the 

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atmosphere you get around the 
university. 

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A like, there's so much that 
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But so few people We'll get to 
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highlight, then is just pretty 
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Appreciate that. 
Yeah, it's been fun. 

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Arkansas is an amazing State. 
I mean in, I think a lot of 

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people probably have this kind 
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uneducated. 
Just country country folk. 

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And, you know, there's a lot 
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Oh, we got Walmart and JB Hunt 
Tyson the Murphy Oil. 

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I mean, there, it's a list, goes
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what arkansans have 
accomplished. 

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So, I'm proud of our state and 
its Or just State and we got a 

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lot going for us. 
Yes, we can. 

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We don't have to let everybody 
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Know, know the secret. 
Yeah, it's kind of nice that I 

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mean. 
It's kind of like a hidden 

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lesson that not enough people 
know about it because it just, 

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it doesn't overcrowded like 
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California and going to Texas 
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staying pretty pure and 
pristine. 

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Yeah. 
Let's keep our head down for a 

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little bit. 
Well, talk to me about about 

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your book, man. 
You had a book that came out in 

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October, right? 
Yeah, at the end of October. 

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So during my son he was five at 
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cancer. 
So it was kidney cancer, that 

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had metastasized to his lymph 
nodes in his chest wall. 

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I had no idea anything was even 
wrong till he came to me one 

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night. 
So Daddy - my piece orange. 

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So when, when your worlds just 
rocks, you know, whether that's 

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a divorced or illness of just a 
major Financial. 

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Kasturi, whatever it is, that 
just that adversity, in life, is

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going to be something we all 
face in one form or another. 

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And so, I had documented. 
I wrote a lot of Facebook posts 

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during the middle of it. 
Just try to be honest and, and 

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figure out what I could do to 
save my son's life because you 

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hear it stage four cancer. 
That's, that's terrifying. 

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So from the very beginning, I 
said that, you know, the doctors

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are going to do their part, 
God's going to do his part and 

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dad. 
He's going to do his. 

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I'm going to figure out the 
nutrition and supplements and 

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Lifestyle and anything that I 
possibly can, it's going to give

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him the edge without obviously 
hurting him to overcome cancer. 

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And and that that's the majority
of what the book is. 

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It's just our story. 
It's what we the ups and downs, 

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the kind of a blueprint for how 
you can focus on the positive 

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and that mentality that you've 
got to have to face adversity 

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and then the the ways you can 
fight cancer, because, brother, 

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there's a whole lot of stuff you
can do. 

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It is Just chemo radiation 
surgery and be cancer. 

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There's a lot but that can be 
applied. 

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Yeah, feel like so much that 
holds true, especially and, you 

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know, a young kid like that 
because their bodies just so 

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adaptable. 
So, like you start putting in 

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the right interventions at such 
a young age and their body 

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responds, increasingly well to 
it. yeah, and and so, you know, 

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podcast were major way for me to
just decompress and learn and 

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so, I dove into who I believed 
were very reputable podcasters 

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or or you know, resource 
creators and their Everybody's 

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field, you know, you had a vast 
remark humming or 22 that I gave

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me a very solid base. 
I felt like and so when you 

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start looking into cancer 
specifically in especially with 

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the immunotherapies are coming 
in the microbiome, Robert play 

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such a critical role. 
So like if if it immunotherapy 

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is effective or not, can be 
dependent on whether a certain 

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species of bacteria is in your 
gut. 

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Crazy, is that so that in the 
end, you know, just so happened 

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to get a little Golden Nugget 
from Dave, asprey one time where

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he's talking about insulin 
potentiate of chemotherapy and 

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and that led me down a path of 
trying to understand blood sugar

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and Insulin in conjunction with 
chemo and cancer and just on and

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on and on. 
And and I go into all that in 

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the book. 
I don't want to bore anybody if 

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that's not there, you know 
there. 

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What they want to hear about but
what you eat the polyphenols the

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microbiome, the stuff you don't 
eat, all of it is so 

451
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unbelievably important. 
I mean, I try to simplify it in 

452
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,700
the best way. 
In my old country boy, Arkansas 

453
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:54,500
way. 
I believe disease can be the 

454
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,200
cause of disease can be 
simplified over. 

455
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,100
Simplified by most standard in 
either toxicity or a deficiency.

456
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:06,200
I think it's Or toxicity or 
deficiency that causes some 

457
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,700
problem in the system and that 
manifest in a name, it disease. 

458
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,800
You have to take care of those 
two things. 

459
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,000
And I really think that that's 
the base put in the good 

460
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,900
nutrients that you need. 
Give your body, the supplements 

461
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:22,300
that can help a be optimized, 
don't put in the crap that's 

462
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,600
going to hurt you. 
Pesticides, heavy metals it on, 

463
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:31,400
and on totally 100% man. 
How did we connect initially? 

464
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000
Because I'm pretty sure you were
digging into all this research 

465
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,400
that kind of LED towards your 
approach towards ketogenic 

466
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,200
nutrition. 
And then that's what our paths 

467
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,900
crossed. 
I don't remember how Yep, so we 

468
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,800
actually first first came in 
contact with you because of 

469
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,100
Nathan. 
Brown, o t, Berry kombucha is a 

470
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:55,500
good buddy and I sell and sell 
his kombucha at the market, but 

471
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,800
he just, he spoke. 
So highly of you and Crystal and

472
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,700
he just he's like, man, you need
it. 

473
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,000
You need to meet these people. 
And that was how we first got 

474
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,500
together and then definitely you
start learning about cancer. 

475
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:15,200
Otto Warburg has been a pop-up. 
And and sugar feeds cancer. 

476
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,700
The opposite of that is going to
be key do. 

477
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:20,500
And so you were, you're the 
local Quito expert. 

478
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:25,800
And so we got to visit on that 
and and just just dive down and 

479
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,400
learn just you don't know what's
going to be the next step of the

480
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,100
staircase that leads you to 
success, man. 

481
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,600
It's a small world and because 
we met him making kombucha when 

482
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,300
we were in that first commercial
kitchen, space making the bricks

483
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,200
and that's kind of how we Linked
UP. 

484
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,800
And then, first time I met you 
in person at the, at the market,

485
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,500
man, it was like, this is 
freaking awesome. 

486
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:49,100
I want to get involved. 
I want to help someone learn 

487
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,600
more any way possible and you 
just got an awesome story man. 

488
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,300
Like what you've done with the 
market, what you're doing with 

489
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,100
Landrum. 
I mean, it's super 

490
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,800
inspirational. 
So it's cool to see that 

491
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,300
happening on such a local level.
Like, said that hits me close to

492
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,300
home and with regard to land or 
so. 

493
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:12,300
So this all came to fruition, 
when he was five, you said, Yes,

494
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,800
and now it is, you know piece 
almost eight next month. 

495
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:19,800
Nice. 
And so yeah, how's he do? 

496
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,200
He went from speech, stay away 
from stage 4 to cancer-free and 

497
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,700
eight months. 
I mean, so I felt like that's 

498
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:33,000
why it was you know, my duty to 
get a book out there and I deal 

499
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,000
with, you know, help guide 
people in the cancer Journey all

500
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:46,600
the time or health, but just I 
met I'm pretty pretty strong in 

501
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,400
my faith guys. 
In perfect of a Christian is I 

502
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,000
am and I feel like God gives us 
these adversities in life to be 

503
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,600
able to help other people get 
through. 

504
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,700
There's and so there's so much 
cancer. 

505
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,700
There's so much adversity and I 
just wanted to use our story to 

506
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,100
help other people. 
You got an awesome story man. 

507
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,200
I'd love to kind of dive deeper 
into some of the interventions 

508
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,600
that y'all did that work. 
So well with them, I mean, this 

509
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,800
is definitely Right up my 
audiences, you know, cup of tea.

510
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,800
That's right. 
It up the stuff they're 

511
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,300
interested in. 
So I'm assuming y'all changed 

512
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:22,300
his diet pretty well right off 
the bat. 

513
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,200
Absolutely. 
And and so again what we did and

514
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,600
what I learned, I know now not 
my is a little different but one

515
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,600
of the first things that I did 
was I just wanted to clean up 

516
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,400
his diet and I actually, I 
removed meat completely for 

517
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,900
about the first week and dove 
into what's clean. 

518
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:42,900
And what do we do? 
How do we just get this reset 

519
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,600
and get it? 
Get everything figured out 

520
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,900
because right there in the 
beginning. 

521
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,400
He had a cantaloupe size tumor 
that had engulfed, his kidney 

522
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,300
removed had and then we started 
radiation and started chemo. 

523
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,600
And so he's a little body just 
went through everything right 

524
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,200
there. 
And what are you familiar with 

525
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,800
James Clement? 
Yeah. 

526
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,200
I've heard my name. 
I don't know where I've heard 

527
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,100
the name. 
He is author of the book called 

528
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:13,200
switch and it's where you really
break down into Emptor and so 

529
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,300
understanding. 
The keto in the cycling. 

530
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:16,800
And how do you get that? 
Tough? 

531
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,100
Itchy really amped up, all that.
That's what I was trying to do 

532
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,300
for a five-year-old. 
And so that was that was a 

533
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,300
really a struggle, but 
understanding understanding that

534
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,500
the mtor and the the ketogenic 
diet, especially cycling. 

535
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:39,200
It very, very valuable to the 
cancer, cancer battle, and was 

536
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,700
landed at what was his like, 
when he's going through this, a 

537
00:29:41,708 --> 00:29:44,100
five years old. 
I mean, what's he thinking? 

538
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,200
About it. 
I like the kids at school are 

539
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,100
eating foods that he's not eatin
vice versa. 

540
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,400
And like is he totally on board 
with it? 

541
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,300
All? 
It was that a little bit of a 

542
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:55,000
push. 
Well, yeah, that because I he 

543
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,700
did not have I'm ashamed of the 
diet that we had prior to 

544
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,600
diagnosis, but it was before he 
started kindergarten. 

545
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,200
So he wasn't at school, 
thankfully and he just, you 

546
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,500
know, if we just Never never let
him think he was sick. 

547
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,400
So every every way that I tried 
to frame, it was just hey, this 

548
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200
is so we're gonna get stronger. 
And hey, this is how we're going

549
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,900
to feed our good bugs this in 
our gut. 

550
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:21,600
That's how I explain the 
microbiome to him. 

551
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,300
Is that there's bugs that help 
us be strong. 

552
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,000
So we had to feed the good ones.
He was. 

553
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,700
He was a trooper honestly, but I
didn't ever see see? 

554
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Let him see me break down, which
happened a lot. 

555
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,400
But always We were focused on 
getting better getting stronger.

556
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,900
So he never ever, ever was told 
or made to believe that he was 

557
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,500
sick and I think that's 
extremely important. 

558
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,000
I mean all that happened in a 
five years old man. 

559
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,800
I can't even imagine like you 
you have this cantaloupe size 

560
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,500
tumor at five years old. 
You even know what cancer is it?

561
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,500
Five years old? 
You don't know what's going on. 

562
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,200
You just, you know, know that 
something's not right and you're

563
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,400
just on board trying to fix it. 
I mean that has to be I like 

564
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
said we got a baby on the way. 
I can't imagine being in your 

565
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,900
Shoes and having the experience 
and go through all that. 

566
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:18,200
So I was like in February, I was
listening to I believe is like a

567
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,600
Louis house podcast. 
And Devon Stills is on there. 

568
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,900
It was in FL football player. 
And he's, he had a four-year-old

569
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,300
daughter. 
That's diagnosed stage 4 cancer.

570
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:32,200
And he goes into his store. 
It's, you know, it's beautiful 

571
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600
and I just broke down, man. 
I'm driving. 

572
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,400
I'm crying. 
Like I couldn't do it. 

573
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000
I couldn't imagine I could never
deal with it and, you know, a 

574
00:31:40,008 --> 00:31:43,600
few months later. 
I'm in the Next time shoes and 

575
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:47,300
you'll have a choice, you have a
choice other than to do the best

576
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:52,000
you can every single day and 
nobody asks you if you want to 

577
00:31:52,008 --> 00:31:56,000
go through that situation. 
So I think I think one thing I'd

578
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,700
like to just let everybody know 
is you are stronger than you 

579
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:07,100
have any idea you really are. 
It's hard amount of Hearts, 

580
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:09,500
right word. 
But like, I've always said that 

581
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400
we all have this inherent 
greatness inside ourselves that 

582
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,900
we all have that capability, you
know, finding a way to manifest 

583
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:21,600
it and make it come forth is the
hard part and oftentimes, the 

584
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,500
Catalyst for bringing that 
fourth is not something of our 

585
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:27,400
choosing sometimes. 
It is, but oftentimes, it's not 

586
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,200
like, when something like this 
happens, it totally rocks, your 

587
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,200
world turns, everything upside 
down, your level of perspective.

588
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,600
Shifts on such a drastic level 
that anything that you 

589
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,100
previously thought was 
challenging or hard or tough is 

590
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:43,800
just so incredibly insignificant
and when you have that 

591
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400
perspective shift like you, you 
become freaking invincible. 

592
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:51,200
You're exactly right. 
I often say that the things that

593
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,400
I was upset. 
I was just freaking mad about on

594
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,200
Thursday didn't even matter on 
Friday after we found out. 

595
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,400
What I mean, I'd love to kind of
pull the curtain back, a little 

596
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,800
bit on what the evolution of 
this was like for you 

597
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,800
specifically like when this when
you get the news versus like how

598
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,600
do you muster up the strength to
just you know, take it and run 

599
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,400
with it? 
And then when things started 

600
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,000
getting better, how do you go 
about, you know, not tap on the 

601
00:33:17,008 --> 00:33:20,500
brakes and not you know, relax 
and when you need to keep 

602
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:27,600
doubling down. 
Yeah, man, Robert has that 

603
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,500
feeling? 
I think everybody can relate 

604
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:34,600
there. 
Is this suffocating you're being

605
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,700
collapsed on, can't breathe 
feeling and it's just the worst 

606
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:41,600
feeling in the entire world. 
It's when you find out a loved 

607
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,800
one has passed away or you get 
this torque terrible news. 

608
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,100
This is feeling. 
I don't even know how to explain

609
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,100
it but It was horrible and I 
think a lot of people have 

610
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,700
experienced it. 
That right. 

611
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:58,900
There is when I believe people 
either look towards God or look 

612
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,100
away. 
They run towards him or they run

613
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:05,100
away and they blame things I ran
towards him. 

614
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:11,300
I had no faith in anything, but 
we're going to we're going to 

615
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,199
get through this and we're going
to use this situation for good 

616
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,800
somehow. 
So that was all the motivation 

617
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
world was my baby that died. 
Did to figure out what we need 

618
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,400
to do. 
As we got good reports as we're 

619
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,400
headed in the right way to other
babies with the same diagnosis 

620
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,900
passed away. 
So we're in clinic. 

621
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:35,500
It's not something when you're 
in an oncology clinic or 

622
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:40,400
especially in children's. 
Where your you're isolated. 

623
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:46,300
You see all the worst things 
ever happen right there. 

624
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,199
These poor babies with no hair, 
Their Skin and Bones. 

625
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,000
There are yellow from jaundice. 
There's all the different things

626
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,100
going on and you know how 
blessed you are. 

627
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:04,700
In those moments. 
So for me, I was there and every

628
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:07,600
single appointment ever 
overnight. 

629
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
I was never away from Lander 
when he was in children's. 

630
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:19,000
So I saw it over and over and 
over that that that to me, I 

631
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,600
don't it's easy for me to stick 
with it after having those 

632
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600
experiences. 
Yeah, and I can I can only 

633
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,400
imagine man. 
I feel like you know, I'm 

634
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,500
thinking I'm listen to 
everything. 

635
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,000
You're saying right now in the 
context of the world that we're 

636
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,200
living in in the landscape, you 
know of everything that's going 

637
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,000
on right now. 
And I feel like so many people 

638
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:42,800
this last two years, especially 
Have just kind of thrown up 

639
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,800
their hands and despair about 
something that is seemingly 

640
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,100
outside of their control. 
And I don't know man. 

641
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:54,200
Like I maybe I'm maybe I just 
have this weird mentality, but 

642
00:35:54,200 --> 00:36:00,000
I've always viewed life as it 
always being your fault like the

643
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,500
world owes you nothing, you 
know, you can't take anything 

644
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,600
for granted time is your most 
precious asset, you know, your 

645
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,700
family, your friends are 
everything and like really 

646
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,700
trying to to fight this victim, 
mentality. 

647
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,500
First, and foremost, and you see
so many people, when they're 

648
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,600
placed into any degree of 
adversity at all, which we've 

649
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,900
seen a lot of these past two 
years with the pandemic, the 

650
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:23,700
politics, the economy, all that 
stuff. 

651
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,700
They just crumble, man. 
They just totally crumble. 

652
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:29,400
And, you know, sometimes it 
makes sense why they would 

653
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,500
crumble. 
Like, they haven't really had 

654
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:32,000
this adversity. 
So, when something like this 

655
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,300
happens, it's seemingly outside 
their control. 

656
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,300
They have no, no, you know, 
perspective to lean on. 

657
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,500
But with all this happening to 
you and your family, Andrew, you

658
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:46,700
know few years back like the 
landscape of the land right now.

659
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:56,800
Must seem just like so trivial. 
My perspective has definitely 

660
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,400
changed and I don't know how I 
would handle today's time. 

661
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,700
Had. 
I not experienced that but I I 

662
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,100
believe that it is a big deal 
for everybody. 

663
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,100
And what what you're going 
through in life is important, 

664
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:13,400
perception, perception is 
reality. 

665
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:19,100
And so it's on us to frame those
things in a way that is 

666
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:26,000
constructive. 
Because it there there's there's

667
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,700
so much that's out of our 
control but there's so much 

668
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,000
that's in our control and when 
we focus on the things that are 

669
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
in our control, we can better 
our lives and better those 

670
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,000
around us, you know, my favorite
Bible verse Galatians 6:7, do 

671
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,100
not be deceived for God is Not 
mocked, whatever. 

672
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,100
Manso's this, he shall also 
reap. 

673
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:44,000
And I think we're sewing with 
every thought. 

674
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600
We we have. 
We're sewing with every action. 

675
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:49,600
Every habit. 
We create two. 

676
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,400
And there's so much we can do 
and the lay on it that right now

677
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,000
is harder on most people, 
because we're unhealthy, as a 

678
00:38:02,008 --> 00:38:07,700
society, it were we're not able 
to deal and cope with a lot of 

679
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:12,000
adversity because we're not in 
the right place mentally and 

680
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,100
physically and that makes life 
harder. 

681
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:21,700
I one thing that I'm very proud 
of myself on was the It meant to

682
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:26,900
exercising and eating healthy 
myself during the hardest season

683
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:30,200
of my life. 
And it had, I not already been 

684
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,400
committed to that before, 
Landers diagnosis. 

685
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,700
It would have been even harder. 
So, you know, I hope I'm making 

686
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,700
sense to you, but it goes back 
to what I was saying about the 

687
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:46,000
business. 
This is hard and you can't let 

688
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:51,400
your own health. 
Suffer because you're worried 

689
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,100
about something else or you're 
working on something else or in 

690
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:57,000
the self-neglect can't happen or
everything's harder. 

691
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,200
Yeah, totally man. 
I feel like with regard to, you 

692
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,900
know, Fitness and activity and 
nutrition, like my whole world 

693
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:07,900
can be upside down and it has 
been on multiple occasions, but 

694
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,400
I've always said, like, as long 
as I get a workout in, and I'm 

695
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,600
on top of my nutrition. 
I've at least got a foothold 

696
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,700
from which to crawl out of the 
hell that I've created for 

697
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,000
myself. 
And I feel like that's so true 

698
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,700
and Anyways, because if you get,
if you get that one positive in 

699
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:26,600
your day, then you've got 
something to lean on. 

700
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,300
And then from there. 
It's much easier to gain some 

701
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:29,600
momentum. 
Whereas, if you just throw that 

702
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,200
out the window as well, then 
then it's like you're, you have 

703
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,000
no momentum. 
You have nothing to pull from 

704
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
there. 
And there's not, like, it's 

705
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,800
like, there's this disconnect 
between body and mind and 

706
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,300
emotions. 
Like, it's all entertain gold 

707
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,800
and intertwined. 
I mean, if you got a healthier 

708
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,200
body, your ability to maintain 
healthy emotions and a healthier

709
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,100
mindset, is going to be 
significantly, Amplified. 

710
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,800
Exactly, exactly, and we're not.
We're not taught how to deal 

711
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,700
with that. 
We're not taught how to, to eat 

712
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,200
healthy and to make good 
decisions. 

713
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:08,200
And so like, I don't even know 
where the blame goes with that. 

714
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,500
You know, it's like nobody made 
me get healthy. 

715
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,400
So everybody is accountable for 
their own actions. 

716
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,800
It's just what you gotta break 
through the system. 

717
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Yeah, that's why I think it's 
healthier to have this. 

718
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,800
It's always my fault mentality. 
Because if you remove the blame 

719
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,100
from others and you put it on 
yourself and you truly believe 

720
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,800
that, you know, you're the 
you're the, you know, Reason 

721
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,700
something worked out or didn't 
work out like that, scary, if 

722
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,500
you have this victim mentality, 
but if you, if you have this, 

723
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400
you know, all in, go for it 
mentality than that's 

724
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600
empowering. 
Because then you have, you have 

725
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:49,800
ideally, some confidence to do 
something with your, with your 

726
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,400
environment and the actions. 
I mean, like, you said earlier, 

727
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,300
there's a lot of things that are
outside of control, but there's 

728
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:56,700
so many things that we have 
control over. 

729
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:59,800
So I haven't like a stoic 
approach and just doubling down 

730
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,100
the things that you can't 
control. 

731
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,100
And not let those things that 
you can't weigh. 

732
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:05,800
So heavily on you to the One of 
just debilitating you. 

733
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:08,000
I mean, what good can that 
possibly do? 

734
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,100
It doesn't it, you know, you 
brought up the stoic approach. 

735
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:15,200
I think that's that's a big part
2 of what I did it. 

736
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,000
So I read non-stop, but it was 
about the mind to and so like 

737
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,400
Ryan holidays, when my favorite 
authors and I think that, that 

738
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,300
is something we've gotten so far
away from and most people 

739
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:32,100
probably don't even know what 
stoicism is, you know, and you 

740
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:36,200
know, another thing something 
that hit home, one of my dearest

741
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,000
friends was a army, right? 
You're so he was no special 

742
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,500
forces combat veteran and he 
told me dude how you got to read

743
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,800
this book? 
And it's a Wild at Heart and it 

744
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,800
is about the best book. 
I think I've ever read in my 

745
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,000
entire life. 
John Eldridge Wild at Heart man.

746
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,300
It's just talks about how we as 
a society. 

747
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:05,100
We as a race of whatever we are,
have gotten away from fully 

748
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:11,000
embracing like the masculine or 
the warrior spirit and and the 

749
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,800
faith in the end of God. 
And man. 

750
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,600
It's really opened my eyes and 
talking about that System 

751
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,800
earlier about how things are set
up. 

752
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:28,500
We don't have this father figure
for most people. 

753
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:33,800
That is needed in order to be a 
man, too. 

754
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,500
And I'm trying to this not to be
sexist in any man any way at 

755
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,900
all. 
It's just there, we have gotten 

756
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:47,400
disconnected from having a 
father that shows love and 

757
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,700
discipline and helps us deal 
with what it is that you have to

758
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:56,300
deal with in life. 
And I grew up without a dad. 

759
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,500
I had to it was harder to do 
that. 

760
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:01,400
But I think it made me a better 
dad. 

761
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:07,300
And and this book really has 
opened my eyes to man that role 

762
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:10,100
mothers are extremely important.
It too but they have different 

763
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:13,600
roles mothers and fathers have 
different roles that the that 

764
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,500
Dad role is make-or-break and 
there's a lot of grown men 

765
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,400
walking around that have issues 
that they have not resolved from

766
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,100
the lack of Father, Our Father, 
not being there in certain ways 

767
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:32,400
or father, maybe being terrible.
That you can't work through and 

768
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,600
man. 
I think, I think that's a 

769
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,600
fundamental component that in 
order to turn this thing around.

770
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,900
We all got to look at ourselves 
on. 

771
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,200
Hey, are we good Dads? 
How can we be better? 

772
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:43,600
Are we doing? 
What's right? 

773
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,300
And how do we forgive? 
What our fathers may have done 

774
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,300
or not done and move on. 
It's a big, big, big deal. 

775
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,900
And it's a big eye-opener 
lately. 

776
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,900
Yeah, man. 
I mean, I can't even, you know, 

777
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,900
I've come from a pretty stable 
family. 

778
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:02,800
Like I've got a really good 
relationship with both my mom 

779
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,500
and damn and, you know, my dad 
was in the continues to be just 

780
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:10,200
incredibly impactful on the 
person that I am today, and I 

781
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,900
certainly don't agree with him 
on everything. 

782
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,200
There's some things that were 
butting heads on right now, as a

783
00:44:14,207 --> 00:44:18,500
matter of fact, but at the end 
They would not be the person I 

784
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:22,200
am, if it weren't for him and I 
feel like, you know, he taught 

785
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,700
me, he taught me work ethic. 
He taught me discipline. 

786
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:29,300
He taught me consistency. 
He taught me the value of your 

787
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:34,100
word and integrity and having a 
moral code and character to 

788
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:38,000
stand upon having, you know, 
self-sufficiency and and and 

789
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,300
being, you know, reliable being 
being independent and the way he

790
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:47,300
taught me all those things, when
I when I I try and you know look

791
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,800
back to how he taught me. 
Those things. 

792
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,500
It probably wasn't an easy 
lesson to teach. 

793
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:57,700
It probably wasn't a fun. 
Oftentimes lesson to teach like 

794
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,300
you have to be cold as certainly
not the word, but you have to 

795
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:05,200
be, you know, I'm bold. 
Are you have to be Stern? 

796
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Yeah, and you know, that that is
something that so many people 

797
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
shy away from because they don't
want to, you know, cause any 

798
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,700
hurt or pain or anything like 
that. 

799
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:18,000
It's not like he was obviously 
And causing her pain, but he 

800
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,500
wanted me to grow into a man and
not just some, you know, not 

801
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,400
some person that was a menace to
society. 

802
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:28,800
And when you inject, try to 
teach that those values, you 

803
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,400
have to be Stern. 
And I feel like, I don't know 

804
00:45:31,408 --> 00:45:33,500
what it is, man. 
I feel like there's there's like

805
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,400
the generational cycle in which 
people that have had, it really 

806
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
hard. 
They raise their kids in a way 

807
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,700
that's designed to make things 
very easy because of they were 

808
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,000
so miserable when they were 
kids, but then it just becomes 

809
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,200
this stuff Perpetual negative. 
Back Loop it, so kind of 

810
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,300
Breaking Free of that and 
maintaining that Stern, but 

811
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,200
necessary, you know, teaching 
lessons, but doing so, in a way 

812
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,500
that just perfectly illustrates 
that your love and care for him,

813
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:02,300
shines through. 
I mean, that's that's a, there's

814
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:04,900
a dichotomy there, you know, 
that's not an easy task. 

815
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,600
No, and, you know, you could 
have to your dad man, that 

816
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:17,100
that's that is phenomenal. 
There are unfortunately, you are

817
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:20,600
in the minority and that that's 
what's really kind of sad about 

818
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,900
about Society. 
Being a parent is without a 

819
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:28,100
doubt. 
The hardest thing that I do 

820
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,200
there's there's no policy 
manual. 

821
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,700
There's no handbook about what 
how to do the day. it's always 

822
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,200
just trying to do the best you 
can and it is not it's not easy 

823
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:48,000
trying to teach your kids a 
lesson, but and And and not, you

824
00:46:48,008 --> 00:46:51,700
know, overdo it and not under, 
do it to where it's too easy and

825
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:56,100
they don't get to learn. 
It is it's so hard, but brother,

826
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:57,900
you're going to be an awesome 
dad. 

827
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,300
I can, I already know that you 
apply what? 

828
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,900
You just said about your dad. 
You don't have to agree with you

829
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:08,900
kids all the time or they don't 
have to like you, but always 

830
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,700
always knowing that they, they 
are loved and it's an 

831
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:15,300
unconditional love that. 
I think that's the thing 

832
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:19,800
discipline with unconditional. 
You know, love is is what it's 

833
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,700
all about. 
Yeah, totally, man. 

834
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:27,000
And I think when that love 
shines through the, the ability 

835
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,500
to have this inherent respect 
for one. 

836
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:32,200
Another is just so much more 
apparent. 

837
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:36,300
And even if you don't agree with
the other party, as long as you 

838
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:39,200
know, that they're doing what 
they're doing, they're saying 

839
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,300
what they're saying because they
truly believe that that is the 

840
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:44,100
right thing. 
And it's coming from love and 

841
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,200
respect. 
Then, I mean, it's not like you 

842
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,800
can Alton for it, like that's 
just who they are as a person. 

843
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:53,500
But you would not ever know that
if there was no love shown 

844
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,400
there. 
So like if you have that as the 

845
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,300
foundation, then you should be 
pretty solid, right? 

846
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,900
I agree, man. 
Oh man. 

847
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:03,200
I'm at that. 
Have you want to speed down? 

848
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,100
Once this baby's born? 
You know, me, like picking your 

849
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:10,200
brain kinds of questions, man, 
and I'm always here for you, 

850
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,500
buddy. 
What do you got coming up, man? 

851
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:14,400
What's what's exciting in the 
Pine? 

852
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,200
Sol the book that that published
in October? 

853
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,000
What's the Of it. 
Father's Heart, Father's Heart, 

854
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,800
and that's specifically the 
journey that you had with Lander

855
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,400
the diagnosis. 
What all y'all did and just like

856
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,200
everything about it, the the 
technical aspects that mindset 

857
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,100
the emotions. 
Yep, and what we can do to kind 

858
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:38,900
of head off all these, chronic 
diseases through Agriculture and

859
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,600
diet and and the choices that we
make that's a super excited man.

860
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,900
I mean, it's it's cool for a 
minute assume. 

861
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,600
It must be cool for you to have 
gone through something like 

862
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,500
this, but then be given the 
opportunity to present it in a 

863
00:48:54,508 --> 00:48:57,100
way that helps potentially so 
many more people than you ever 

864
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,100
could have had you not had this 
happen to you. 

865
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,600
It's just I mean it kind of all 
goes to show that. 

866
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:05,000
You know, things that that 
happen certainly may not be 

867
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,400
great news that time but you 
have the choice to take it and 

868
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,500
run with it and make something 
positive out of it or just 

869
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:14,800
wallowing grief and self-pity 
because of it. 

870
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:19,700
Absolutely. 
I mean that, that's, that's it. 

871
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:24,400
And that's where our choice and 
how we respond is the real. 

872
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:30,200
Test of life is just how do you 
respond when good things happen?

873
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,900
How do you respond when bad 
things happen? 

874
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,800
It's it's a you know, it's a 
fluid thing. 

875
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,400
And you had always just improve 
to try to deal with the good and

876
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,800
deal with the bad in the best 
way you can get in bed every 

877
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,600
day, man. 
That's the name of the game. 

878
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:49,000
When you gonna be back up here 
in Northwest Arkansas, man. 

879
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,400
I actually have a herd of cattle
that me and my buddy got into 

880
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:59,800
That are in Westport that I need
to actually run up there and see

881
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:01,900
what shoot man. 
Well, maybe it's in like, 30 

882
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:05,100
minutes away from me. 
Yeah, I need to get back up 

883
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:06,200
there. 
You need to man. 

884
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,500
We got a, this is kind of a 
funny story, little bit of a 

885
00:50:08,508 --> 00:50:10,100
tangent but kind of funny story,
nonetheless. 

886
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,900
So, I'm actually flying out to 
Washington State this Sunday to 

887
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:18,000
go butcher our cow. 
So we have a cow to B in 

888
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,300
Washington state. 
Love it. 

889
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,200
So not quite local, but 
crystals, brother. 

890
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,800
He got cacao and the farmer 
wanted the cow to have a 

891
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,900
companion cow. 
So he's like, do you want to 

892
00:50:29,908 --> 00:50:32,200
cow? 
So he said of yes, of course. 

893
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,800
And then now I've got to go to 
Washington to help them butcher 

894
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,300
this cow. 
So it would be an experience 

895
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:37,900
nonetheless, but it's kind of 
comical. 

896
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,200
No, that's that's a, you know, 
that's, that's part of what I'm 

897
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,600
talking about that we've gotten 
away from and then we don't have

898
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,100
those experiences, most people 
with their dad, you know, going 

899
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,700
out to have some event that in 
turn feed your family, you know,

900
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:57,300
you're going to process an 
animal which is experience. 

901
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,500
It's a learning to give 
sustenance to your loved ones. 

902
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:07,100
I mean, that's what we're most 
of us have missed a lot of abou 

903
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:08,500
doing that is beautiful in 
Europe. 

904
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:13,000
Go tell your your, the kiddos 
about that and potentially do 

905
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,600
that with them kind of percent, 
man. 

906
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,400
I just got back from a week-long
hunting trip. 

907
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,400
And we, you know, had a whole 
bunch of deer that we harvested 

908
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,500
and we did all of the butchering
and processing ourselves, got a 

909
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:25,700
freezer full of meat right now. 
So to me, that's just my, you 

910
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,000
know, normal day-to-day. 
Like I love it, man, like 

911
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,100
knowing that the food that I'm 
eating is coming from my own 

912
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:33,400
hands. 
Is, is a good sensation to have.

913
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,700
Absolutely. 
And then being outside and just 

914
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:41,800
being in the sun and fresh air, 
just does wonders for your soul,

915
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,800
just a win-win, 100%. 
Well Logan, it's always a 

916
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,700
pleasure to talk with you 
brother. 

917
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,100
I will definitely have to get 
down there and swing by the 

918
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:52,100
market stock up on some goodies.
Definitely. 

919
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,400
Let me know when you're in the 
area with West Fork. 

920
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:56,200
And we'll definitely try and 
link up here. 

921
00:51:56,207 --> 00:51:58,500
I got to give you a tour of the 
new facility here, man. 

922
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,800
Oh, yeah. 
I got we got to do that. 

923
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
I will probably be up there 
pretty soon. 

924
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,300
Good. 
Probably. 

925
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,000
Basketball game. 
Well, you got my number man. 

926
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Just let me know. 
All right, buddy. 

927
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,600
I'll talk to you soon. 
For sure, man. 

928
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,600
Until we talk again, what can 
people go to find out more about

929
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,000
you. 
What's the Facebook page name? 

930
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:21,100
So, we got me and McGee market 
Facebook, Instagram website. 

931
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,900
All that fun stuff. 
Father's Heart is the name of 

932
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,800
the book. 
Logan Duvall Father's Heart Is 

933
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,700
on Amazon Barnes & Noble and you
know, that's the that's the 

934
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:33,200
primary. 
Primary ways. 

935
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:35,500
Awesome and I will certainly 
linked out to those. 

936
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:38,200
Make it easy for people to find 
you and keep doing what you 

937
00:52:38,207 --> 00:52:39,600
doing, man. 
Keep changing lives. 

938
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Tell the family. 
I said honey. 

939
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,000
Tell Logan I said, I don't love 
them. 

940
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,800
But Lander I said honey. 
I can't get him stocked up on 

941
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,100
some more bricks too. 
By the way. 

942
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:49,200
Yeah, we do. 
That was part. 

943
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,400
That was part of the way. 
I could get him. 

944
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,400
Some what he thought were 
deserts. 

945
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:58,100
So it worked out yet. 
We'll get him fixed up for sure,

946
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:00,100
brother. 
Let's say a man, always a 

947
00:53:00,107 --> 00:53:02,700
pleasure Logan keep in touch, 
man and what Talk soon. 

948
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:04,700
See, buddy. 
Take care.