1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,700 Well, hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes ketose a.com, and 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,100 today we get special, repeat guests dr. 3 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:07,500 Kozlowski, aniline. Last time he was on, we talked 4 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:09,800 all about gut health, improving the microbiome. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,900 He had written a book book called unfuck your gut. 6 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:15,200 So we Dove deep into proper gut health. 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,900 He just recently published another book, this one being 8 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:21,600 called, get the funk out and this one's all about, you know, 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,700 toxins hormonal health and just how to improve your body from a 10 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:30,100 detox standpoint. Basically and basically Ali, 11 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:34,800 like all the, the xenoestrogens, the hormonal disruptors that we 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,100 have in our system. So we dive deep into that to how 13 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:39,700 to improve that. What works, what doesn't work? 14 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:41,800 We kind of cut through a lot of the nonsense out there. 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,800 As far as many detox programs go we talk about what an actual 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,000 functional medicine, doctor should be capable of what their 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 training looks like, and we just kind of dispel some of the 18 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,300 rumors around that as well. So I thoroughly enjoyed the 19 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:55,300 conversation. He is a very bright guy. 20 00:00:55,300 --> 00:00:57,000 He knows his stuff. He's been doing this for quite 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 some time. So I always learn something when 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,600 I chat with them. So without further Ado, sit 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,000 back, relax and do a podcast with dr. 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:16,900 Kozlowski We are live doctor Kozlowski. 25 00:01:16,900 --> 00:01:19,500 How are you sir? I'm good. 26 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:21,600 It's great to be back. Thank you for having me back 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,900 again. Yeah man for sure. 28 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:24,400 For sure. Enjoy our last conversation 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,400 which was in 2021, I believe and you have since published a new 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,500 book and I'd love to kind of dive into that man. 31 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:33,500 So for anybody that didn't listen to the first episode, can 32 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:36,600 you give us a quick little run down on your back story and what 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,000 got you into nutrition space before we dive into your new 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,300 book. Yeah, absolutely. 35 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:44,200 So I'm a traditional family practice. 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,100 Doctor that switched over to the dark side and went into 37 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:50,000 functional medicine. And the whole point of 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,400 functional medicine is to look at the underlying causes of 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,500 disease. So, when someone comes to me 40 00:01:56,500 --> 00:02:01,100 with, I be a guest, or, with lupus, or rheumatoid, arthritis, 41 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:05,000 or Dementia or Autism. I'm not thinking about what 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,200 pills to give them to feel better. 43 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:10,000 I'm thinking, let's figure out why this is happening. 44 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:11,900 Opening. And if we get rid of what's 45 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:15,600 Happening, then the symptoms will go away on their own. 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,100 And so when we talk the first time, my first book was all 47 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:22,700 about the connection to the gut and and Hippocrates said it 48 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:26,000 3,000 years ago that all disease begins in the gut. 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Well, the first step in healing the gut is your diet and 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,000 nutrition. So in the first book, I 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,700 recovered nutrition and I covered the gut microbiome and 52 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:38,700 balances like sibo and candida. And some of those are some of 53 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:44,000 the things we talked about last. Time and then the key to good 54 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,300 health, which is the mental emotional and spiritual 55 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:50,400 component, right? And stress, and living in that 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,700 sympathetic nervous response and how it shuts down your gut and 57 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:57,800 how the gut will never heal. When you're chronically stressed 58 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,800 out, not working on it. So when I when I was done with 59 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,200 that whole you know putting that book out, I kind of realized 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,300 that I had left a couple subjects untouched and Cuz I 61 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:13,300 say, when somebody comes to me as a functional medicine, doctor 62 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:17,200 there's five main areas. We look at and they are food 63 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:20,900 gut, health mental, emotional spiritual health, which are the 64 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:24,200 first three that I covered in the first book and in this new 65 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,600 book which is called get the funk out and it's Funk spelled 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,500 with a see because we used to say my practice that we put the 67 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:35,900 funk and functional medicine. So this new book is get the funk 68 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:42,500 out and the two areas that it covers our And toxins and the 69 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:46,100 connection between the two. So, I've got a chapter on the 70 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:50,100 thyroid, the adrenal glands, insulin and blood sugar, and the 71 00:03:50,108 --> 00:03:54,900 pancreas are all together. And then I've got one on 72 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:58,300 testosterone and my own story of low testosterone, and my 73 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:01,900 experience with that. And then for women estrogen 74 00:04:01,900 --> 00:04:04,800 dominance and other hormonal, imbalances that women 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,900 experience. So, the first basically five 76 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:11,700 chapters are all about the The different hormones. 77 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:14,600 And then, the last half of the book is all about the different 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,100 toxins that were exposed to. So a lot of people are hearing 79 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:21,000 about detox and don't really know what it is or what you're 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,600 detoxing from. So, I hit on the, the biggest 81 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,900 toxins that we encounter, which in my experience, are heavy 82 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:31,500 metals like lead and Mercury mold. 83 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:35,300 If you've ever lived in or worked in water, damaged 84 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:38,200 building and then all the other stuff. 85 00:04:38,300 --> 00:04:43,200 So the average Woman is exposed to a hundred different toxins 86 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:47,600 before even leaving the house and that comes from makeup and 87 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,100 deodorant and hair. Straighteners, and what's in 88 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,100 your smoothie, the almond milk, the vegetables, what's in the 89 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:57,200 air that you're breathing, you're if you have dogs that 90 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,100 toys, the Plastics that their toys are made out of if you have 91 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:04,200 kids, the Plastics that their bottles or toys are made out of 92 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:10,700 emfs from cellphones and Wi-Fi, routers and 5 G, and And that's 93 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:14,700 tough. And so we're under this constant 94 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,800 Onslaught all day of environmental toxins and when 95 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,900 we're not, detoxing properly, our hormones, get screwed up. 96 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,900 And so that's the connection, a lot of people don't realize and 97 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:27,100 that's what I tried to write about. 98 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:31,500 In the book is it's very easy to diagnose a hormone imbalance. 99 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:35,100 So if somebody comes to me, tired constipated dry skin 100 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,200 thinning hair, you know, I'm going to test their thyroid, I'm 101 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,800 going to look at their adrenal glands. 102 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,100 And I can diagnose them with a low thyroid or adrenal fatigue, 103 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:46,900 but my patients, aren't that easy that? 104 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:50,600 They're not like alright, cool, I have a low thyroid so that 105 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:52,700 it's good. My patients want to know why. 106 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:55,900 And so, a lot of the time, it's our toxic environment. 107 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:58,300 And so that's the connection between the two. 108 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:01,900 So that's what get the funk out is about. 109 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:06,600 I can make the argument that every one of us has one hormone 110 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,700 balance. At least, if not more, and You 111 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:14,200 know, in regards to toxins we're all being exposed, the question 112 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,900 is, is how much do you have in your body and how do you get rid 113 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:22,100 of what's in there? So those are the major points of 114 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:24,500 the book. And so I'm down to talk about 115 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:26,400 any one of those. I don't know if you have a 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,700 follow-up question or which direction you want to go in. 117 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,700 Yeah, yeah. Let's definitely down for any of 118 00:06:31,700 --> 00:06:33,400 them was stepping down deep and all this. 119 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,700 I've seen several headlines as of late about like the rapidly 120 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:40,400 decreasing male testosterone like that. 121 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,300 Average male testosterone from what it is. 122 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,800 Now versus what it was 100 years ago. 123 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,800 It's like half of what it was on average. 124 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,200 Correct. Something crazy like that. 125 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,900 It's insane. Yeah. 126 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,100 Yeah, what is that? The primary driver there. 127 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:55,300 Do you think it's it? You think it's like a, just a 128 00:06:55,308 --> 00:07:00,500 summation of the Obesity rates, getting higher, the toxins, the 129 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:04,300 the foods like, is there any one thing that is the primary driver 130 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:05,900 is just a combination of all the above? 131 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:11,100 It's my belief that it's all of the above. 132 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:14,700 I don't think it's just one thing in a regular medicine. 133 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:17,100 They're always trying to pick one thing, you know, they're 134 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:19,600 always trying to find the one cause and in my experience 135 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,300 whether I'm working with low testosterone or Autism, or 136 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:28,600 autoimmune disease, I rarely find just one thing going on and 137 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:31,400 you know, for me, I can use myself as an example. 138 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,000 So I got diagnosed with low T. When I was 32. 139 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,400 And and I was pissed, I was offended. 140 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,900 When the doctor even suggested that I might have low T, and 141 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:46,100 then we test it in my level was below, 200, which is a disaster 142 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:51,600 but it made everything make sense for me that I think I had 143 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,200 it for way longer than that. But you know, my own story is, 144 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,600 is I had a terrible diet growing up. 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Like, I was an immigrant, my parents are from Poland and the 146 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,600 number one way for me fitting in was eating McDonald's and pizza. 147 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:08,900 'He and Burger King and in Chicago, Italian beefs. 148 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:13,000 And and so my diet was terrible, I started binge drinking when I 149 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,600 was in eighth grade. I never learned how to manage 150 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,600 stress. When I did my toxin testing, I 151 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,800 had a bunch of lead in my body. So I had all these different 152 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,300 factors. I don't know which one did it. 153 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:34,000 I think it was all of them, but and so I find different stuff in 154 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,900 different men and and You know, just there was a study, a couple 155 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:39,400 weeks ago. I don't know if you saw it, but 156 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,300 they were testing the rain in New Zealand and they found 157 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:48,700 microplastics in the rain in New Zealand, right? 158 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:52,400 And so then they found those same microplastics in the testes 159 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,100 of men. So yeah, when you're, you know, 160 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,500 your testes there where you're going to be making the majority 161 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:02,000 of your testosterone if they're full of plastic than. 162 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Yeah, they're probably not going to be making as much 163 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 testosterone as they would be. If they weren't full of plastic, 164 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,900 100 years ago, right? And so, you can pick any of 165 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:16,900 those toxins when we talk about the toxins like lead or Mercury 166 00:09:16,900 --> 00:09:21,200 or mold or glyphosate or Plastics, a crazy 12. 167 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,500 Sorry. Now, that I thought about it is, 168 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:26,200 if you start looking at some of the athletic clothing that 169 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,400 people are wearing, there's plastic and a lot of this 170 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,000 athletic wear and we can absorb toxins through our skin. 171 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,500 So, you know, people need to start reading the labels. 172 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:38,200 Is not just on their food, but on their clothing to. 173 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:44,000 And so the any of those toxins are fat soluble. 174 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,500 So they try to get into our body, through our skin, through 175 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:51,900 our gut, and through our lungs, those are your barriers to 176 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:54,800 keeping the environment outside, right? 177 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,200 And so those are your first detox, organs, your skin, your 178 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,200 gut and your lungs. But let's say you've been 179 00:10:01,208 --> 00:10:05,800 smoking a long time, so your lungs are weaker or you have Had 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,000 a really poor diet and you've got a leaky gut, so those toxins 181 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,900 can get in easier. Well, all those toxins are fat 182 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:15,400 soluble so they will get absorbed two things that have 183 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,700 fat in them. Every cell in your body is 184 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:21,000 surrounded by a membrane that has fat in. 185 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:25,500 So, these toxins can literally get stuck in any cell in your 186 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:28,500 body. I haven't seen convincing 187 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,300 evidence, why? But they seem to be favoring our 188 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:34,100 reproductive glands. So your thyroid, your pancreas, 189 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:37,400 your ovaries of your woman, your Estes of you're a man, that's 190 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,500 where they seem to really like to hang out. 191 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,600 And and so detox is the process where the liver which most 192 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,000 people know as their main detox. Organ the liver, makes those 193 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,500 toxins water soluble. That's what detox is. 194 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:57,400 It takes those toxins and breaks them down, making them water 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,100 soluble so you can then poop pee and sweat them out and that's 196 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:06,000 what detoxing is. Well, if you're exposed Too, too 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,100 much. Like me. 198 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:11,300 Where I'm binge drinking. I smoked cigarettes for a while, 199 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,700 you know, I'm eating like crap. I'm not supporting my detox 200 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:20,200 because your detox your liver to detox properly. 201 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,400 Lee needs, lots of vitamins and minerals. 202 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,500 So if your diet you're eating at McDonald's, like I was and then 203 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:27,600 you're being exposed to all these toxins. 204 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,600 Your body can't keep up and they start getting stored and then 205 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,900 all sudden you're 32 and before, you know, it, your testosterone 206 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:37,300 is less than 2. Hundred and it's like what 207 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:39,300 happened then. And I don't know where things 208 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:42,400 went wrong, but they definitely did at some point and then 209 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,500 there's a lot of things I can look at during my timeline that 210 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,600 are probably risks of why I ended up with low T catch and 211 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,000 got you, it's like for somebody listening right now, what would 212 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,500 be their plan of action? Like, I guess just first of all, 213 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:59,800 you know, taking taking a analysis of them themselves 214 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,200 asking themselves, how I feel how they're performing and if 215 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,500 their energies, you know, waning over time just being conscious 216 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Conscious and in tune with the body, I suppose the first thing. 217 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,600 But I'm assuming there are some recommended tests to see what 218 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,000 your level of these heavy metals or what the level of these 219 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,100 toxins in your system are, is that typically like a hair 220 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:19,600 analysis test, or a urinalysis test, or how is that typically 221 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,700 done? Yeah, different. 222 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:25,700 What I'm so in each chapter, I go through how to test your 223 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:27,500 thyroid, how to test your testosterone. 224 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:30,700 And I've got charts in there with what are normal ranges, 225 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:33,000 right? So I would typically like, you 226 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,400 know, if somebody, you know, a guy in his 30s, He's our 40s 227 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,000 came to me and they're like, listen, like you know, I'm 228 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,200 working out. I'm eating right, I sleep. 229 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,600 Okay. And you know I just carrying 230 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,500 some extra fat, right? I'm not turning muscle, I'm not 231 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:51,500 turning, I'm not carrying amount of muscle that I should be based 232 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:54,700 on my lifestyle, I'm going to test their testosterone and I'm 233 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:57,200 going to test their total testosterone to test their free 234 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,600 testosterone, and I'm going to do that via blood test so that 235 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,900 you can go to your regular hospital or local lab and it's 236 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:06,300 just a quick blood draw and we'll find Doubt your, your 237 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:09,200 testosterone levels. The crazy thing with 238 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,800 testosterone is that when you get the results, the lab has a 239 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,800 reference range of about 200 to 11:00 as normal. 240 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,100 Yeah. Well, that's a psychotic range, 241 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:22,300 right? Like, how could you have, a 242 00:13:22,308 --> 00:13:24,500 level of 1,000? And that's normal. 243 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:27,700 And I have a level of 210 and that's normal like, that, that's 244 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:32,200 not right, right? So, they argue that an optimal 245 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,500 testosterone is when we're in our late 20s, and that's around. 246 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,700 800. So I'm looking for for a man, to 247 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:43,100 be close to 800 and then I will look at relative to their 248 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:46,800 symptoms and their levels of what the best options are to try 249 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,300 to get it up. So I'm going to focus first. 250 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:52,400 I'm trying to get you feeling better, right? 251 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,200 So whether that's using supplements medication or 252 00:13:55,208 --> 00:13:58,600 hormone replacement to get your levels, back to normal, same 253 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,200 goes with the thyroid. It you know if I have a man or a 254 00:14:01,208 --> 00:14:03,100 woman come in and they're like, listen, I'm tired. 255 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:05,200 I'm constipated. I have dry skin. 256 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:10,000 My doctors testing TSH and they're telling me my thyroid is 257 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,400 normal. I'm going to say screw that. 258 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,400 I'm going to test your tea for your teeth, three, your thyroid 259 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,600 antibodies. And we're going to look at the 260 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,800 ranges same thing. If you're at the bottom of the 261 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,900 range of T4 and T3, I'm going to diagnose you with a low thyroid 262 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:25,100 and we're going to get that going. 263 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:27,600 We're going to get your thyroid replaced, whether it's with 264 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,000 again hormone or with supplements. 265 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,900 And then if someone asked me about, like I want to dig into 266 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:35,500 why, right? Like why is this happening? 267 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:39,100 Opening the one test if I could pick just one test. 268 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,200 So, if anybody's listening to the first podcast, read my first 269 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,400 book, or checked out the second Booker is going to, you know, 270 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,400 the main things. I focus on our gut Health 271 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,100 Nutrition hormones toxins and I've got all these fancy Labs 272 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:55,500 that the regular doctors don't. If I could just pick one of my 273 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:58,400 tests to do for somebody, I didn't know anything about the 274 00:14:58,408 --> 00:15:01,100 number one test that I would order for anybody as heavy metal 275 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:05,100 testing, and that is lead and Mercury or the two heavy metals 276 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:09,400 that I And the most frequently there is nothing in your history 277 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,000 that I need to hear. That tells me, I should test you 278 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,700 for heavy metals. LED is in the air. 279 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:18,000 It's in an airplane, exhaust. So you're exposed just by going 280 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,700 outside and breathing in the air. 281 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:23,000 They used to put lead in paint. They used to make pipes out of 282 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,100 lead. So you're drinking it, you're 283 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:27,700 breathing it, you're touching its in food. 284 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Mercury is in fish. It's in Dental fillings. 285 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,300 It's in the exhaust from coal-burning plants. 286 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:36,100 So it settles in the crop. So it's in the Oil. 287 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:41,400 They are everywhere. And, and so, the craziest thing 288 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:46,200 about toxins is they've done studies on umbilical cord blood 289 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:50,900 right, which is where Mom transfers nutrients to the baby. 290 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:54,600 When the baby's growing in utero, they found over 100 291 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,500 different toxins in umbilical cord blood. 292 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:01,600 So that means before you're even born, you're being exposed. 293 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,400 So someone can be born with a bunch of lead and mercury and 294 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,900 not know it because Mom didn't know it. 295 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:10,300 So if I have a woman that comes to me for pregnancy planning, 296 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:12,500 the first thing I'm going to do is talk some testing. 297 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:15,800 If they're like, listen, I I want to have kids later this 298 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,700 year, you know, the six months or next year, first thing we're 299 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:23,200 going to do is detox because Mom can pass those toxins along to 300 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:29,100 the baby. So I would really recommend 301 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:33,100 heavy metal testing but hair analysis, in my opinion is a 302 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:37,600 terrible way of doing it. So a hair analysis is very 303 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,400 affected by what kind of products you're putting on your 304 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,300 hair. The gold standard for heavy. 305 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:48,500 Metal testing is what is called pre and post chelation testing. 306 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:53,500 This is a urine test. So like the way I describe detox 307 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:59,400 that detox is this process of making toxins water soluble so 308 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,700 you can pee poop and sweat them out. 309 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:05,400 That's why you're in. It is the best way to test for 310 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:07,800 toxins because that's where you're getting rid of them. 311 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:14,500 So eight pre and post chelation test is you wake up and you pee 312 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:18,599 in a cup and that's your pre test that measures your active 313 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,500 exposure. Is there something in your diet 314 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:25,900 or air or water or house that we need to identify and get rid of? 315 00:17:26,099 --> 00:17:29,500 So, you're not being exposed anymore because the first step 316 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:32,600 in any kind of detox is to stop exposure. 317 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:37,500 But we what we really want to know, Is how much is built up in 318 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:40,400 your body? And for that, we use a 319 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:46,600 medication called dmsa. Dmsa is a chelating medicine, it 320 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,500 pulls things out of your body. So we give you a dose of dmsa 321 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:54,600 that's based on your weight. And after you take this 322 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,100 medication, you get this big orange jug and every time you 323 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:01,800 peed, you collect it for six hours. 324 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:05,200 And what's happening is, is the dmsa is pulling. 325 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,200 What is stored in your body out and then we're catching it in 326 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,800 this jug. And we compare the pre to the 327 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,500 post-test and the pre and post-test should look identical. 328 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,600 I very rarely see that. What I see is that frequently, 329 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,800 the post test the levels are way higher. 330 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,100 And so what that means is that the dmsa found a bunch of lead 331 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:32,600 and Mercury or arsenic or specia more thallium to pull out and 332 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,500 that's what it is stored in your body. 333 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:37,000 So if you got it, Bunch of that stored in your body. 334 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,400 That's what I'm going to recommend to detox you and that 335 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,400 is what I did for myself because my allowed levels were high but 336 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,000 not like I've seen in some of my patients, got you, okay. 337 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,200 So let's talk about details because that's something that 338 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,000 you hear a lot on the interwebs and a lot of times it's being 339 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,800 pushed by some snake oil salesman, the trying to sell 340 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,800 supplement. So I don't discredit detoxing at 341 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,800 all. But how is it done properly? 342 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,900 With testing. So we're on the same page, like 343 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:10,700 probably my most hated thing. And it is just the amount of 344 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:14,400 marketing that people are getting hit with, from 345 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:17,800 influencers selling detox products, right? 346 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,100 They'll they'll sell you one product that should detox you 347 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:25,300 from mold and parasites, and in and heavy metals and all this 348 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:29,000 stuff. And for me, I'm all about 349 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,300 testing and, and because I would detox somebody differently from 350 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:39,300 glyphosate than from mold than from lead and Mercury than from 351 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:42,700 other chemical. So, for me, it just gets down to 352 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,000 testing. So I would do pre and post 353 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,000 chelation for heavy metals. I would do a urine mycotoxin 354 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,400 test for mold. I would do your urn levels for 355 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,600 glyphosate. We can test other herbicides and 356 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,900 pesticides and Plastics through urine. 357 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,100 Testing. So I'm going to order that 358 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:03,600 testing and I'm going to see what what you have inside of you 359 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,600 and and frequently, I'm finding more than one toxin. 360 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:09,300 So then I'm going to give somebody a detox plan. 361 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:13,200 And, and in the book, I go through what my detox for heavy 362 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,700 metals, looks like for what it looks like for mold, what it 363 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:22,300 looks like for the other toxins, but I wouldn't jump into that if 364 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:25,900 you can't get the testing done. So if you know, for people 365 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:27,700 listening, you got to be real careful. 366 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:32,200 Like going into your traditional doctor and like going in and 367 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,800 being like, hey, test me for heavy metals, they're going to 368 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,100 tell you to get out of the office. 369 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:37,700 They're going to tell you, you're full of crap. 370 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,300 I was trained as a regular doctor and I went to functional 371 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:44,500 medicine and honestly, I was fine with nutrition. 372 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:47,700 I was fine with gut health, but I was a little nervous to get 373 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:51,000 into detox because I feel like they kind of poison my mind 374 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:54,300 during medical school and residency and kind of convinced 375 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,600 me that toxicity wasn't a real thing. 376 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,400 And and so if If you want to get tested for toxins you're going 377 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,400 to need to look out for somebody who is certified in functional 378 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,700 medicine. That's my advice. 379 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:09,200 So you can go to ifm dot organ, search for a practitioner who's 380 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,400 certified and then make sure that they're comfortable with 381 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,300 talks and testing, because not even all functional medicine, 382 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:19,300 doctors are comfortable with it. Your regular doctor definitely 383 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:23,600 is not going to be. And so, you know, a lot of times 384 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800 will make my decision based on someone's history. 385 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,300 If you tell me that you've been getting water damage, In your 386 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:30,600 basement or attic or in your bathroom. 387 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:35,200 I'm going to test you for mold. I would test anybody for heavy 388 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,600 metals, if you've never been tested and so it does require I 389 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 think working with someone that's comfortable with it. 390 00:21:42,700 --> 00:21:46,600 But I always like to talk about like, what are things that 391 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,500 people can do to detox on their own, right? 392 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:53,700 And if you don't have access to testing the best thing that you 393 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:57,900 can be doing is making sure that you're peeing pooping. 394 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:03,500 Sweating and sleeping, right? So drink half your body weight 395 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,100 in ounces in water. So if you're 180 pounds, drink 396 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:10,800 90 ounces of water, a day, when your PA if you're drinking that 397 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,000 much water, you're going to be peeing, most of the day and 398 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,300 you're going to be flushing toxins out. 399 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,200 If you're not pooping everyday, you're not ready to detox 400 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,100 because a major way that we could carry toxins and out is in 401 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,700 the stool. So like I just saw someone this 402 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,500 morning and she's only moving her bowels once a week, right? 403 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:31,200 So we're not I'm going to talk about detox until she's movement 404 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,500 or bowels every day, so we're going to unfuck her gut as I 405 00:22:34,508 --> 00:22:38,100 said in my first book, before we go down the road of detox. 406 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,100 Oh, if you're not moving your bowels every day, that that's 407 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:44,600 going to be your overwhelming. First step in detox is. 408 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,200 You got to get your gut right, which always starts with your 409 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,600 nutrition sweating. We, you know, through exercise 410 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,700 is huge. One of my best tools for detox 411 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:01,700 is infrared sauna Infrared sauna has a two-fold Effect. 412 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,200 One is that it makes most people sweat but then the second one 413 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,400 is, is that those infrared waves can help kill off some of the 414 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,600 toxins. So, if I'm detoxing somebody 415 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,800 from mold or heavy metals, I'm going to want them exercising 416 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,400 and doing sauna every day but that's something that anybody 417 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:24,400 could do daily just to kind of help there detox and then sleep, 418 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,800 you know, and if you're not sleeping sleep is when we were 419 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,800 Store, right? And and so, from the time we 420 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,200 wake up from the time to go, we go to bed, we're under this 421 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:40,200 constant onslaught of all these different toxins and your body 422 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,100 should be regenerating and getting ready for the fight the 423 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:45,000 next day. It, if you're not sleeping or if 424 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,800 you're only sleeping, a few hours a night, you're also not 425 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,100 going to be able to detox. So before you go die typing in 426 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:55,300 and buying, you know, you're you know, someone's detox protocol, 427 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:58,400 focus on those things, right? Because it Those things are 428 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,700 going to get you healthy and in other ways, too, but just 429 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:04,300 drinking it up. Water pooping, everyday 430 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,600 sweating, sleeping. That's going to take you a long 431 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,200 way. Especially if you don't have 432 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,000 access to testing and you just want to do things every day that 433 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,700 are going to help your body detox. 434 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:17,900 What about all these popular juice cleanses and coffee? 435 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:18,900 Enemas? Is that it? 436 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,000 Is there any validity that is that just all smoke and mirrors? 437 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:28,800 Like for example, you know, juice cleanse, I mean that's not 438 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,400 going to detox you from from heavy, metals or toxins in my 439 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,600 opinion, like the LED and Mercury if they're in there, 440 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,600 drinking a bunch of cilantro juice. 441 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,400 I mean, you got to drink like, I don't know, I think gallons of 442 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,900 it for many years before that's going to help you. 443 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,200 Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with fasting, right? 444 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,100 There's nothing wrong with doing, doing a juice cleanse, or 445 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:51,900 a water fast, just because that shuts down your gut. 446 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,800 Let's your gut, he little, if your gut is, Out there, you're 447 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,500 going to absorb less toxins, the coffee enema. 448 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,500 I mean I had a friend that was really into it. 449 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:04,500 I tried it, I definitely felt a little boost from it but I think 450 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,000 that's just because I got hit with a rush of caffeine. 451 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000 They say that the caffeine can stimulate your liver to like 452 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,300 ramp up detox but the problem that it with that again is 453 00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:21,100 that's going to help I think. But if again, if you've got a 454 00:25:21,108 --> 00:25:24,700 bunch of lead and Mercury built up in your body, That speeding 455 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:27,700 up your livers ability to detox and I'm going to do that much. 456 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,900 I don't think so. For most people, I don't think 457 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,200 those things are harmful if unless they're done 458 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,600 inappropriately but I also don't think that they're the best 459 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,700 tools like I can, you know, I do everything objectively. 460 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:45,200 So Through a heavy metal test and I can tell you what, your 461 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,200 levels of lead and Mercury are. And then I'll give you a 462 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600 treatment protocol for six or seven months. 463 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,400 And then we'll reach text, right? 464 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,400 So, I can show you, the levels are coming down and I heavy 465 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,800 metal detox. Is the only thing that I do. 466 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,000 That's 100% effective. It works because the medication 467 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,700 does its job and the supplements we use to do their job. 468 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:10,900 So it's pretty easy to do. Mold can be a little tougher, 469 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,000 but I always do Testing to make sure because people detox at 470 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,300 different rates. So I have no idea to how fast 471 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,800 it's going to work for you. But that's where we just rely on 472 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,100 a repeat testing to make sure. So I don't want to say that 473 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:28,300 those things definitely do not work, but I can tell you that. 474 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,700 Me, personally, I don't really use those tools. 475 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:35,100 I mean, not I believe very much in fasting for hormones and for 476 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:39,300 breaking down fat and for brain health, but for detox. 477 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,700 I don't think it is. I mean, I think it could help 478 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,200 but I There's better tools for depending on what talks and 479 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,700 you're exposed to. Yeah. 480 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,800 Totally, why do you think there's such a push back against 481 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,100 diving deeper into toxins amongst most western medicine 482 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:59,100 practitioners? I think it my answer always is 483 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:03,800 its pharmaceutical based and and I think there's something about 484 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,700 the preparation of the chelation meds where they're generic so I 485 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:13,800 don't I just don't think they're hitting any profits on the sand, 486 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,100 like mole detox or glyphosate detox or other, herbicides or 487 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:20,900 pesticides. I don't use any medications at 488 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:22,600 all right. I only use supplements. 489 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,500 The only one that I use a medication for is Heavy metals 490 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,400 but that's also like compounded medicine. 491 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,900 It's my general belief that everything that we're taught as 492 00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:38,500 traditional doctors just is coming from the pharmaceutical 493 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,100 industry. The more I've gotten into this 494 00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,400 in the more, you know, from the last few years and especially 495 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,600 I'm kind of convinced that medical school and residency are 496 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,100 almost kind of like a cult or a brainwashing from Big Pharma. 497 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,500 An example. I can give is the gut, right? 498 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:58,000 So we talked about the gut, we Talked about the microbiome. 499 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200 We talked about sibo, we talked about all these conditions that 500 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,100 I treat that I see be completely life-changing. 501 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000 Well, I went through residency in med school without even a 502 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,900 never talking about the microbiome, why? 503 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,200 Because if we talked about it, I wouldn't know what to do with 504 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,200 them. Like all were taught is to 505 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,500 diagnose things and then give a medication to fix that. 506 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,300 Well, there are no meds for the microbiome. 507 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,300 Although I think it's already like eight years ago, 508 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,600 apparently, visor and Merck. Massive companies have been 509 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,700 working on medications from the microbiome. 510 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:35,600 So as soon as you hear that there's medications for the gut 511 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,100 and the microbiome, all the doctors will be testing for it 512 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,800 but it because there's not traditional meds that are used 513 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,300 for detox. That's why I think were poisoned 514 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,900 to not think about it. That's my opinion. 515 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,500 I know my opinions can be different than other people 516 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:56,200 you've had on here or you know, and that's my experience. 517 00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:00,900 But this, but it makes sense when I get that question all the 518 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:03,000 time. Like, why didn't my doctor talk 519 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,300 to me about estrogen dominance? Well, we use bioidentical 520 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,900 hormones, there's no money in Pharma for that. 521 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,100 Why didn't they talk to me about sibo? 522 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,600 Now, there's an antibiotic but it's still not very well. 523 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,600 Known, why didn't they talk to me about candid or dysbiosis? 524 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:19,800 The only way I can make sense of, with most of this stuff is 525 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,600 that they because the answer is not meds, and that's what we're 526 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,200 taught in my experience, is we're taught. 527 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,500 To prescribe meds. And so if we were to diagnose, 528 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:32,600 something that doesn't revolve meds, then as a regular doctor, 529 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,200 I would have no clue what to tell you like how to fix it. 530 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,300 Yeah. 100% man, that makes total sense to me. 531 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,200 So if someone's listening to this are trying to take 532 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200 actionable steps, you know, they need to get their nutrition down 533 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,800 them, in the exercising, on a regular basis, sweating sleeping 534 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,400 on recovery, when it comes to all of the toxins, all of the 535 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:55,800 xenoestrogens, the phytoestrogens in the clothes, 536 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,300 you wear. Are the products we put on our 537 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:02,200 skin like the cleaning supplies like how does one tackle that 538 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:06,100 Monumental Beast of Burden right there like how did you go about 539 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:08,600 that you just like totally go through your house with a trash 540 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,300 can and throw everything away and start fresh. 541 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,500 I ew g dot org that's the environmental working group so 542 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,000 that's a non-profit. They've been around for a long 543 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,300 time. You can go on there and and and 544 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,800 test or not test but you can look up any product. 545 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,100 So A man or woman, could you could go down and look at every 546 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,600 one of your personal care products from your deodorant, 547 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,900 your mascara, to whatever, and it'll your toothpaste. 548 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,300 And I'll give you a toxicity rating, and it's free. 549 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,600 A lot of people have heard of The Dirty Dozen and the clean 550 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,900 fifteen when it comes to foods and The Dirty Dozen are like the 551 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:49,600 12, most the 12 fruits and vegetables that are the highest 552 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,900 and herbicides and pesticides. Most people don't know. 553 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,900 That ewg are the ones the environmental working group or 554 00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,000 the ones. Putting that out but they're 555 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800 also you can look at sunscreens and everything on there. 556 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,600 I think it's the best resource. So the last chapter in my book 557 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,000 talks about, you know how to replace cooking supplies and 558 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,200 what to drink out of and what to eat from and and all this stuff. 559 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,600 But at the end of the day, I mean, you know, for me, I moved 560 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,300 from downtown Chicago, to Montana, to kind of just get 561 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,900 away from everything. That's not an option for a lot 562 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:26,600 of people. So I think you have to Your 563 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,300 best. And at the end of the day, I 564 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,500 still believe that that what what's more important than any 565 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,900 of this is your mental emotional, spiritual health. 566 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,400 So the one thing I don't want to hear and I hate seeing it. 567 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,100 Is that people that dive so deep down these rabbit holes of 568 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:46,500 toxicity, that then they're scared to eat drink or touch 569 00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,700 anything, right? That's also not going to help 570 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,800 you. And so it's a balance where 571 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,000 like, you know, for example, if you're eating the, you know, if 572 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600 you're deciding what to buy organic, Organic. 573 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,100 And what to buy? Not, then use the dirty dozen as 574 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,200 your guide and so if a food is on the dirty dozen, try to buy 575 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,300 it organic, if it's not, then you could probably get away with 576 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:09,600 saving some money and buying it, non-organic and then, yeah, you 577 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,600 know, you can start picking things, whether it's your 578 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200 laundry detergent, or your personal care products. 579 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,800 And the good thing is, is it's way easier to find now, like 580 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,300 organic and cleaner products because people are aware around 581 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,600 it. So, I mean, I think my book is a 582 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,800 good resource and Ori. Ug dot-org. 583 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,500 But just you know I mean I've been to many environmental 584 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,400 medicine conferences which are all about the environment and 585 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,000 you kind of walk out of there like terrified to go anywhere or 586 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,800 touched anything or eat or drink anything and again that's not 587 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,100 healthy. So that that's where I say like 588 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:49,300 you know if you can just do the basics of eating pooping eating 589 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,300 well pooping everyday, drinking water sleeping, then that's 590 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:56,200 going to take you a pretty far away and then if you couldn't 591 00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,100 Manage stress. That's also because the the 592 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,200 sympathetic nervous system just like we talked about it, shuts 593 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,200 down your gut, it's also going to shut down your ability to 594 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,800 detox which is the last thing that you want. 595 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800 So it to me, it's finding a balance. 596 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,000 So if somebody asked me like what's more important like 597 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,400 meditating and exercising and spending time in silence and in 598 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,100 the present moment or making sure that your or your 599 00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:28,100 vegetables are organic and your water Has been reversed osmosis 600 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:31,300 filtered in. You have nothing, but organic 601 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:36,000 care products and close. I would choose the mental stuff. 602 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,900 First, I think that that's way more important. 603 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,800 The detox is doable. You know, it takes time, it's 604 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,100 not an overnight process, it's a struggle, but you can get there 605 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600 as long as you don't stress yourself out too much. 606 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,100 What have you found to be like the most effective way of 607 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:58,100 relaxing and kind of allowing Self to spend more time in that 608 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:03,200 parasympathetic state. For me, I would say it's 609 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400 meditation. It's my connection with God. 610 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,199 So, you know, whatever spiritual connection and in some people, 611 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,800 you know, they think of religion and spirituality at the same 612 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,500 thing in a lot of people are turned off by religion, which I 613 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,800 get. But spirituality to me is just 614 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,900 the connection with the present moment. 615 00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:26,600 And so the, there's this Chinese philosopher that described 616 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,000 anxiety is worrying about the future. 617 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,100 Depression is worrying about the past. 618 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,100 So, what's the treatment? The present moment, it's very 619 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:39,199 difficult to do. But, you know, the greatest tool 620 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,500 with the most evidence is meditation in amazing tool that 621 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:48,000 people can try is called HRV, heart rate variability, which is 622 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,800 basically, you can buy a little monitor that connects to your 623 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,900 phone or computer and it connects to your ear or finger 624 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:56,400 and it measures the variations in your heart. 625 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000 And if you're not having good variations, they'll teach you 626 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,400 breathing exercises to kind of learn, Learn how to see yourself 627 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,800 go into that parasympathetic response. 628 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,100 I think everybody should be working with the therapist and 629 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,500 to dig into you know usually childhood trauma and things like 630 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:19,700 that it looks differently. The hard part is is it looks 631 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:24,000 differently for all of us but I would say like my top tools 632 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,700 would be meditation prayer. A gratitude list. 633 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:32,400 So find either your spouse partner friend group of friends 634 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,400 and Share three to five things you're grateful for every day. 635 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,600 It could be as simple as, like, having a hot shower, having a 636 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,800 roof over your head, having a meal to eat for breakfast and, 637 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,000 you know, that can kind of reset things. 638 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,300 I love the app calm for meditation. 639 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,500 So of knowing somebody's never tried meditation. 640 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,800 Calm is an app. You can try for a week or for a 641 00:35:57,808 --> 00:36:01,300 week for free and there's thousands of guided meditations 642 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:05,900 on there. So, I would say my favorite book 643 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,900 besides my own books would be The Four Agreements by Don 644 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,200 Miguel Ruiz. I think it's one of the best 645 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,800 books written. It's all about spirituality and 646 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,600 and letting go of control if people that are listening or 647 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,900 like, me and you constantly want to be in control and getting 648 00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:23,900 things done that. That's not healthy for your 649 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:27,200 mental health. So just I have reminders on my 650 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,500 phone that remind me to let go of control, it's a daily 651 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,000 process. That's what I've learned. 652 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:35,400 I'm very much a A checklist person. 653 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,300 So I made a goal 12 years ago of getting my mental health, right? 654 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,700 I did everything I needed to, and then I cross that off and I 655 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:45,200 can stop doing the things that were working for median. 656 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,600 In my mental health fell apart again. 657 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:51,100 So for me, I have to make a decision at every day to wake up 658 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,600 and focus on it and do those kind of things that I mentioned. 659 00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,400 I would imagine the shift from downtown Chicago, to Montana's, 660 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,300 quite the, the changes. Well yeah, yeah, nature and 661 00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:06,300 peace and quiet are Huge for my own mental health. 662 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,500 For sure. Do you do Journal at all? 663 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,700 I don't personally. I mean a lot of people have 664 00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:15,000 recommended my therapist have recommended me to do it. 665 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,800 I've definitely tried it. It hasn't stuck for me but 666 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,100 that's again where like, you know, it's finding what works 667 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,300 for you. So I know lots of patients and 668 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:30,000 friends were journaling, is their number one tool and also, 669 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,400 like, what works for you today? Might not be the same, right? 670 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,600 So maybe And didn't work before but you try it again and it 671 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,800 helps. So I do think journaling is an 672 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600 amazing tool. Yeah I'm kind of saying when 673 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,700 they have started so many journals to just not continue 674 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:45,700 them. But I'm going to try and 675 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,900 actually commit to that because I feel like whenever I'm reading 676 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:52,100 a journal entry that I've written years, prior just that 677 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,300 we've been able to have that perspective. 678 00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:58,000 Now, from what I was going through then like that, that's 679 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,900 been beneficial. So I need to kind of figure out 680 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:03,500 how to make a habit of it, but it's powerful right for sure. 681 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:07,400 But it just simply Getting into a habitual, you know, routine 682 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,500 with it all, as is true with everything, exactly. 683 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,400 It's that's like with meditation, right? 684 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,900 Like I mean, people are like, oh, I tried it once and my mind 685 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,800 was all over the place. So same thing. 686 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,000 If I go to the gym just one time and I mean, I could barely lift 687 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,500 one barbell or something. Where if I go every day that's 688 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,600 going to change, right? So it's the same thing with 689 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,900 mental health, it's a practice, it that's it really is a daily 690 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:32,700 routine. Just just like you know with 691 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,200 exercise if you stop exercising You're sizing your physical 692 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,700 well-being is going to fall apart. 693 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,900 If you stop doing stuff for your mental health, every day, the 694 00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:44,200 same thing, it's going to eventually catch up with you. 695 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,900 I and I know that from my own experience. 696 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,600 Yeah, totally. Now when it comes to diet 697 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,600 nutrition and gut health gut microbiome Health, like when you 698 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,500 drastically change your diet, you're going to also change the 699 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,500 microbiome in your digestive tract. 700 00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,800 Like a lot of people are doing Carnival right now with 0, 701 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,800 vegetation whatsoever. Once yeah, they've done that for 702 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,300 usually, I guess about two weeks for the microbiome to more or 703 00:39:09,308 --> 00:39:12,300 less equalize. Have you have you seen and 704 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,400 they're not running a long-term studies on that. 705 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,600 But have you seen any adverse response to that and people 706 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,900 you've worked with I know, honestly, when I first heard 707 00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:26,900 about the carnivore diet, I thought it was a patient that 708 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:30,000 told me about it and I didn't, I didn't think it was real. 709 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,200 I didn't think that that people were doing and then I've heard a 710 00:39:33,207 --> 00:39:35,000 lot of people doing it and loving it. 711 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,200 And when it comes to diet, you know, I can see five patients in 712 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,700 a day and the first patient might be a raw vegan, right? 713 00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:46,600 And the second patient might be a carnivore, which you can't 714 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,400 really pick two more extreme diets and Yet both people are 715 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,000 telling me it's the best they've ever felt, right? 716 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,400 Yeah. And so at the end of the day I 717 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400 always believed in like what is working for you. 718 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,900 Right? If you tell me, raw vegan is 719 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:05,800 working for you, or if you tell me carnivores working for you, I 720 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,000 kind of don't really care what it's doing to your microbiome. 721 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,300 I mean, at the end of the day, what matters the most is that 722 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:17,300 you're feeling the best, right? And, and so, I have a number of 723 00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:22,900 patients that are carnivores. I haven't seen out stielike 724 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:27,200 memorable differences and their microbiomes for a good or bad 725 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,900 way. You know, the microbiome can 726 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:34,400 change pretty frequently. So for me I always just look at 727 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,900 you know, I want to hear how someone's feeling, right? 728 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,500 Like if you tried it and you feel like shit that I'm going to 729 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,400 tell you, okay? Well, that's obviously not the 730 00:40:41,408 --> 00:40:48,000 right diet for you, you know? So I I would love and maybe, you 731 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,300 know, unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do studies 732 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:55,500 but I would love to take 100 people do a stool analysis on 733 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,400 them, have them, you know, stick to a carnivore diet, maybe half 734 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,800 of them stick to carnivore. Half of them stick to a vegan 735 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,900 diet and then repeat a stool test after 3 months or 6 months. 736 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,300 I mean as a science nerd that would be like you know that 737 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:13,100 would be amazing for me. But you know, unfortunately that 738 00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:15,700 gut testing is expensive. People don't want to pay for it. 739 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,300 It I do. I'm not funded by some big 740 00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:21,600 Research Institute one day though. 741 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,300 I I'll get there and I would love to do those studies and be 742 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:27,500 able to show you the science behind what happens when when 743 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:31,700 someone sticks to that diet long-term like you said, I mean 744 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:36,900 it's a pretty new diet, right? And so in general, I personally 745 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,600 think we need 40 Years of research on new things and 746 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,100 medicine to really understand how they affect people 747 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:47,500 long-term. And so You know, you could start 748 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:49,800 getting ideas sooner than that. But if you really want to True 749 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800 answer, I think there needs to be quite a bit of time to really 750 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,200 get research on it. So for right now, I can't answer 751 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,500 you whether or not, you know, in theory, you would think that the 752 00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,400 microbiome would get worse, right? 753 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,800 If you're not eating pre and probiotics, then you're my cure 754 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,800 bacterial, don't have anything to eat off of. 755 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,300 They're not eating off the meat, so you would think they would 756 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:13,600 start dying off and that could be a problem down the road, but, 757 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,800 and and the hard part is is so, you know, you could develop Bab 758 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,200 dysbiosis, which is an imbalance microbiome, you know, a month 759 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,800 after going after changing your diet. 760 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,400 And that dysbiosis might not turn into disease for 5 years, 761 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,200 10 years, or 30 years because unfortunately, something like 762 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,700 dysbiosis doesn't cause symptoms. 763 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:39,100 So if your gut microbiome starts changing negatively, it's not 764 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,300 like you're guaranteed that, you're going to start getting 765 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:45,200 bloating or gas like it. You might not know it until it's 766 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,500 too late. And that's Where again the value 767 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:51,800 of testing is is I would recommend anybody that can 768 00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,100 access a functional medicine, doctors to start doing this 769 00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,900 testing when you're feeling good, right? 770 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,600 When you're feeling, alright? Because 99% of my practice, 771 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,400 people are coming to me. And they're like, you know, I've 772 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,900 been diagnosed with Hashimoto's or rheumatoid arthritis and 773 00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:10,700 like, you know, fix me, whereas I would love to see people and 774 00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,800 there and they'll be like, well, for two years I was vegan. 775 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,700 And then for two years, I did. And then two years I was 776 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,200 intermittent fasting and I don't know where things went wrong and 777 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,500 I don't either because I don't have any Baseline tests to see, 778 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,400 you know, where this stuff went wrong. 779 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,800 So, I know sometimes it could be hard to access that testing, but 780 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,700 if someone can, that that's the way to go in my opinion, what's 781 00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:39,100 the best way for people to find a qualified local functional 782 00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:44,400 medicine practitioner? I FM dot-org The Institute of 783 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,200 functional medicine. Dot-org ifm dot-org is the 784 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,000 basically like the certification program, the training program 785 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,000 for functional medicine and right at the top of the website 786 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,500 is a tab that says search for a practitioner and you could type 787 00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,400 in your zip code and you can search within 10 miles or you 788 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:09,100 could search within 250 miles and on that search though. 789 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,700 There's a Check mark that you can check off. 790 00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,300 That says only search for certified. 791 00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:18,500 Functional medicine practitioners and I would highly 792 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,500 advise only searching for somebody that's certified 793 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,100 because someone could get listed on there. 794 00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:27,700 If they've been to one course, but no offense, if you've only 795 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,200 been to one course you probably have no clue what you're doing 796 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,400 with functional medicine yet. So you want to search for people 797 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,600 that have gone through the fruitful certification taken the 798 00:44:37,607 --> 00:44:41,600 exams and then I would reach out and and Make sure that they're 799 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,500 comfortable with the gut or comfortable with detox because 800 00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,400 you might email or call one person and they don't do detox 801 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,500 at all or they don't do gut health at all. 802 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:56,600 So it I would use ifm dot-org and then reach out to the 803 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,900 practitioners that pop up and find out who's a good fit for? 804 00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:01,900 What? You're trying to work on catch 805 00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,400 because there seems to be like a lot of functional medicine 806 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,900 practitioners popping up, but I don't know. 807 00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:09,900 Like a lot of them, I think they've got, you know, 808 00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:13,900 functional Medicine or F and T P in their Instagram bio but it's 809 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:18,300 like I have no idea what what course content. 810 00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:19,800 They went through. What their schooling and 811 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,500 education systems looking like like it, like, is there like a 812 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,700 pretty low barrier to entry for some of these quote-unquote F + 813 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,000 TP certifications? Or is it pretty extensive. 814 00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,300 It's a disaster. What go, what's going on out 815 00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:34,900 there? Like my practice right now. 100% 816 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:38,100 of my patients, that come to see me have already seen someone 817 00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,300 that told them that they were on a functional medicine 818 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:43,800 practitioner Tichenor and then I go through what they've done or 819 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,100 been through and it's like, you didn't do functional medicine at 820 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:49,900 all. So basically, anybody that 821 00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:53,500 thinks that they're practicing like any type of alternative 822 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,200 medicine are advertising, that they are a functional medicine 823 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,100 doctor because functional medicine is very trendy right 824 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:05,500 now, and people, it has a good reputation for the most part, 825 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,100 besides a lot of the crap that I see going on, but it's a way 826 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,300 that people are able to The charge more and get more 827 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,700 patients through the door. I'm seeing them up charging 828 00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:20,800 tests and people getting ripped off, and it drives me nuts. 829 00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,700 I'm very passionate about it, because I got very lucky. 830 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,500 Like, I trained at dr. Mark, Hyman's Clinic, dr. 831 00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:30,100 Chopra is Clinic, dr. Susan blum's Clinic long time 832 00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:31,800 ago. So I got to see how it's really 833 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,300 done and then I've gotten to see over the years, all these people 834 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:38,500 popping up that just have no clue what they're doing and so 835 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,300 it sucks. I I have heard feedback since 836 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,400 putting out my first book and now the second one there are 837 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,400 great resources. So you almost be able to weed 838 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,300 out, who knows what they're talking about, who doesn't just 839 00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:52,800 by you're getting through my books. 840 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:57,900 And because I talk about what testing should be ordered how to 841 00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,700 interpret that testing. So some people that are you 842 00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:05,400 know, not doctors can know more about functional medicine just 843 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,200 for my two books than some of these practitioners out there 844 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,400 who are saying that they understand For now, for a 845 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,200 baseline, like I said, I would use ifm dot-org and only search 846 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,200 for people that are certified because then they've gone 847 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,600 through the exams and, and, and they've proven that they have 848 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,400 some knowledge around real functional medicine. 849 00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:30,100 But basically most alternative medicine, whether its medical 850 00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,000 doctors acupuncture is chiropractors nurses? 851 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,900 Whatever are saying that they're functional medicine and and 852 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,300 they're not. So for someone lien doesn't 853 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,300 going through the like the legit. 854 00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:42,600 Course and they're doing everything by the book and 855 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,900 they're going through all the testing, like, how long does 856 00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:50,400 that process didn't like take? I they used to take seven years. 857 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,300 It's faster now because most stuff is offered online which 858 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:59,500 also kind of scares me that like right now a lot of it is just 859 00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,200 being taught online because of what happened the last couple of 860 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:12,400 years. So Yeah, it's it took me three 861 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,400 years to get through everything. And then it took me a number of 862 00:48:16,408 --> 00:48:20,000 years of being out in practice to really start understanding it 863 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,700 and I don't know exactly how long it took. 864 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:25,200 I've been doing this for 10 years, I started on my own I 865 00:48:25,207 --> 00:48:29,900 started studying a functional medicine in 2011 so it's been a 866 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,600 while for me. But I mean the way I practice 867 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,500 today is so different than when I first, you know, open my 868 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,600 doors. I've learned so much from my 869 00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:44,500 Benson in from just being in this world but yeah, so people 870 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,000 are getting it done within a matter of I think within two 871 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,100 years now but I think that that it just takes it's just like 872 00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,500 regular doctors. I mean most when you're a 873 00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,200 regular doctor, you go through medical school and then you go 874 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,300 through three years of residency and then you typically join a 875 00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,400 doctor who has been practicing for a while to help. 876 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,800 Teach you. Your kind of always learning and 877 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,600 so It's hard to say. I mean, we're all different, but 878 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,300 I mean, it's not easy. And especially if you go into 879 00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:17,800 it, like, I did, as a traditional doctor, it can be 880 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,100 tough to transition over. So someone like goes into their 881 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,800 bedroom, locks the door and sits firmly computer for two months 882 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,400 then comes out wave and a certificate. 883 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,300 The probably a legit. Yeah. 884 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:30,800 And then they start ordering tests and then they have no clue 885 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,100 what to do it got you. But that's my mission in life 886 00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:40,200 and I might be Things sooner than later, where you know 887 00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:44,900 developing a basically like a functional medicine, almost like 888 00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:48,900 a Residency program, where people can come in and learn how 889 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,000 to practice like how to order this testing, how to interpret 890 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,400 it, how to treat these different conditions. 891 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,200 And that's all even after you've passed all the exams. 892 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,100 Because passing the exams is one thing. 893 00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:02,300 But then once you have a patient sitting in front of you and 894 00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:06,000 trying to figure out how to apply it because everybody's 895 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,700 different, right? So, The hard part is is that 896 00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:13,400 nobody know patient works out exactly like the books tells you 897 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000 they're going to. Yeah, it'd be easy if it was 898 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,900 that way but it's not in a residency like that would 899 00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:23,700 probably not be a cultish. Pharmaceutical based entity. 900 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,900 Imagine that would be good, not at all. 901 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,800 Yeah, well awesome. At what people go to find out 902 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,700 more about you and get the books. 903 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,700 Yeah. Doc Dash. 904 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,600 Cos.com d.o.c. Dashcam. 905 00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:41,500 AO z.com, that's my website. There's a links to both of my 906 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:45,600 books. I have an Instagram doc 907 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,600 underscore cause that's my Instagram. 908 00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:52,300 I'm not overly active on there, but I definitely share anything 909 00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:55,900 that I'm doing and then just, you know, I try to do my best on 910 00:50:55,900 --> 00:51:03,200 there, while still be practicing medicine, and My books are on 911 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,400 Amazon Barnes & Noble. If you want to support your 912 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,400 local bookstore, they can get it for you. 913 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,500 They probably don't have it in stock, but they can order it 914 00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:15,400 within two days and it's unfunctional your gut, spelled 915 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000 with a c. So UNF UNC on Funk your gut, 916 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,700 that's my gut health book and this new one is called get the 917 00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:26,300 funk out and that's Funk with a see as well. 918 00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,300 And so those are all over the place online or on my website. 919 00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:31,300 I love it. Love it. 920 00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:32,900 You have a plan. As for a third book in the 921 00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,200 pipeline review, not sort of diving into that yet. 922 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,400 Now, ya know, take a little breather after the number. 923 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,400 Yeah, I think so. Yeah but I said that last time 924 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,000 too and we'll just hit me one day that I started writing. 925 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,500 So right now no nothing is in the works at all and nothing's 926 00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:51,300 in the plan right now. The next thing is figuring out 927 00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:56,000 you know how to just help train more practitioners how to do 928 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000 this the right way. Well that is quite a task ahead 929 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,100 of you there so I get to no doubt that you were Up for the 930 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:05,400 challenge, though. Definitely awesome. 931 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,600 I certainly appreciate the time dr. 932 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,100 Kozlowski, I enjoy. The conversation is always learn 933 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:11,300 something. Every time I talk with him and 934 00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:12,500 you're always, welcome on the podcast, man. 935 00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:14,800 So let me know that everything I can do for you, ma'am. 936 00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:16,700 I love it. I did. 937 00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,800 Thank you for giving me a platform to share this and and 938 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,500 and talking about it that extremely grateful. 939 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,900 You bet you bet we'll keep in touch and we'll talk soon. 940 00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,400 Likewise, thank you very much.