1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 I could just see a total stranger and they say like, oh, 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:03,840 do you do jiu jitsu? And I was like, yeah, they're 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,200 like, oh man, on Instagram I see all these jiu jitsu clips or I 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,680 saw that Mark Zuckerberg is doing jiu jitsu now. 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,760 What's awesome is that jiu jitsu is a way to get a community 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,240 aspect, get some combat sport and martial arts self-defense 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,640 experience. Physically demanding, yet you 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,960 don't get punched in the face. But depending on how you train, 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,880 there's a lot of things that you can do to decrease your risk of 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,400 injury. You look at people these days, 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,920 it's like they're slouched over, they're looking down, they look 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,200 like easy targets. People that have done combat 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,040 sports, people who have dug really deep within themselves 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,440 and like grinded through something where you start like 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,960 walking with your chest up a little bit more, walking with a 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,560 little bit more confidence, people can. 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,400 Pick up on that and we are rolling. 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,840 Josh, how are you, man? I'm doing great, Robert, how are 19 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,880 you doing? I'm good. 20 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,120 Are you, are you doing a podcast while on like a treadmill or 21 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,160 something? Yeah. 22 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:56,160 Yeah, I got AI, got one of those under desk treadmills. 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,520 It's it's dope. It helps me get get my steps in. 24 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,840 I've had one guy just constantly emailing me telling me that I 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,800 should get that because I'm on the computer all day long. 26 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,760 So do you find it? You're able to like type and 27 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,400 everything with it no problem. So this one, it doesn't go too 28 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,280 fast. It's like a walking only 29 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,960 treadmill. So even at the fast, it may be 30 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,520 like if I turned it all the way up to the fastest it goes, 31 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,960 typing would be pretty difficult. 32 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:23,280 But yeah, for the most part, like I think I usually set it at 33 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,240 one mile an hour or maybe like 1.1 miles an hour. 34 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,160 And typing is, is pretty good. I will say though, like if 35 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,160 you're reading a lot, it's pretty tough. 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,960 Like usually I turn it off when I have to like read like a lot 37 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:40,440 of emails and stuff like that. But like typing, editing videos, 38 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,200 it's like more monotonous type work. 39 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,720 It's it's pretty convenient. Yeah, I'm not. 40 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,880 I'm about to get me one. I could use that for like 41 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,640 working on my client macros and stuff like that and get more 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,840 steps in the day. So yeah, you might be selling me 43 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,520 on it, man. Bro let let me know how it goes. 44 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,840 It's AI set a goal a couple years ago to get 10,000 steps a 45 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,800 day for a year or at least average 10,000 steps a day for a 46 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,320 year. And like throughout the year it 47 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,680 was up and down like January, February, March, I was on point. 48 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 And then like as it started getting really, really hot here 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,720 in Sacramento, like the average tanked again and it picked back 50 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,080 up and I made it to the end of the year and I looked back and 51 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,520 my average was like 9500. Like I barely missed it. 52 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,800 And then that Christmas I ended up getting a walking treadmill. 53 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,160 And then the next year I smoked it. 54 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,520 It was like it was honestly too easy of a goal because you can 55 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,280 just walk most of your work day easily get in 1213 thousand 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,520 steps without even really trying. 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,120 I like the idea of having like the consistent effort over a 58 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,000 year span too. Like I, I did a, you know, David 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,560 Webb, he's been at super training gym. 60 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,280 Yeah, I love David. Yeah, he's. 61 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,880 Awesome. So he's, he's a good friend of 62 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:57,440 mine and he was like, we should do a mile a day for a year and 63 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,440 I'm OK, I'll do that with you. So I did it with them. 64 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,160 And I mean, a mile is nothing, man. 65 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,520 Like I can get up, run a mile on a whim. 66 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,560 No, no problem. But doing it every single day 67 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,480 without fail, like it'd be 3 feet of snow on the ground and 68 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,760 I'm running in the middle of a ice storm or rain or whatever. 69 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,760 I'd get home late. It'd be like midnight and I'm 70 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,120 still going out and getting my mile in. 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,720 Oh, man. It's like the consistent effort 72 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,880 that you commit to. That's where it gets hard, man. 73 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,800 Yeah, yeah. And it's, I found with that goal 74 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:27,600 of walking 10,000 steps a day, the quote UN quote easier goals 75 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,120 are way harder than like a goal that at least for me, that's, 76 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,080 that stretches me, that like pushes me, you know, I know 77 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,680 you've done plenty of bodybuilding shows. 78 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,880 I did 1 bodybuilding show and that is like a, that's a huge 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,120 goal. Like takes all your focus. 80 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,960 You got to get fully locked in. But if the goal is just to walk 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,360 10,000 steps a day, at least for me, I was like, oh, I don't have 82 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,800 to like go for a walk right now. I can do it after I finish, you 83 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,360 know, messing around on my phone for the next half hour. 84 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,760 Or I can do it later. I could always do it later. 85 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,400 And I, I find that sometimes when goals are that easy to push 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,120 off, like those have just as much value as setting goals like 87 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,320 a bodybuilding show, which takes all your focus, all your 88 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,680 intention. Can't really have a minute of 89 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,320 your day that's focusing on something else, you know? 90 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,079 Yeah, and I, I totally agree, man. 91 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,680 I think you have to have like these big hairy audacious 92 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,160 stretch goals that just like scare you a little bit, but then 93 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,920 you have to have like goals that most people would kind of ride 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,480 off. But like the consistent 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,760 application of those goals every single waking day of your life. 96 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,120 That's where it gets challenging. 97 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,240 That's where people fall short. Like I'm, I've never been good 98 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,120 at pull ups. So I started doing pull ups 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,560 every single day and I have my employees here and we'll just 100 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,600 like take a break at some point the day we'll all go knockout 35 101 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,600 pull ups, like, you know, a couple sets of seven or so. 102 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,760 And it's been good because like it gives them a break from 103 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,880 production and then we all just knock out some pull ups and like 104 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,120 we've actually gotten pretty freaking good. 105 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,400 I got one employee that couldn't do a single pull up and now he's 106 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,920 doing 35 every single day with us. 107 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,360 What? Dude, that's freaking awesome. 108 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Yeah, so I'm totally getting ahead of myself. 109 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,560 So you and I have a mutual fan and Andrew, awesome guy and he 110 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,680 he sent me a message saying I got to get you on the podcast 111 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,720 because you I didn't even know you did a bodybuilding show. 112 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,800 So you got to tell me about that. 113 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,800 But you are big into the world of all things martial arts, 114 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,640 right? You started out wrestling and 115 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,520 then moved to Jiu jitsu. Is that correct? 116 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,960 Yeah, yeah. So I grew up doing traditional 117 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,320 martial arts when I was a kid, and then I started wrestling in 118 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,600 middle school and wrestled through most of high school. 119 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 And the way wrestling works is like, there's no, there's no 120 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,440 hobby of wrestling. It's like you're wrestling with 121 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 the full intention to compete as hard as you can. 122 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,800 And then when you're out of high school, if you're going to 123 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,920 wrestle, it's going to be wrestling in that college. 124 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,160 And if you were going to wrestle past college, it's wrestling 125 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,840 towards the Olympics and anything outside of that, 126 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:48,760 there's not really much else to do. 127 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,800 And I wasn't that great of a wrestler. 128 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,520 I was like as average as a wrestler as you can get. 129 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,960 And so I wasn't going to wrestle in college and I still wanted to 130 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,560 do something. So then I kind of found jiu 131 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,360 jitsu is thinking, oh, this is a lot like wrestling. 132 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,680 It's a little bit easier in the sense that like you don't have 133 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,560 competent, you don't have to do competitions every single week, 134 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,200 you know, throughout four months of the year and stuff like that. 135 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,280 And so I got into jiu jitsu and I absolutely loved it. 136 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,000 And kind of all throughout that time I was already, I've been 137 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,920 lifting, started lifting before I did wrestling. 138 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,920 So like I lifted all throughout wrestling and then I came into 139 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,560 jiu jitsu and just kept lifting. The bodybuilding show that I did 140 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,600 was between the time that I stopped wrestling and the time 141 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,840 that it started jujitsu. And what was interesting was in 142 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,080 wrestling, strength and conditioning is kind of baked in 143 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,640 to the wrestling culture. Like wrestlers are always doing 144 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,080 pull ups, always doing rope climbs. 145 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,240 They're always like, you know, doing fireman carriers up 146 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,520 stadiums and stuff like that. Even though I'd say like maybe 147 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,520 the periodization and maybe the structure of how a lot of 148 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,400 wrestling programs run, their strength and conditioning is 149 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,040 pretty outdated. They're at least doing something 150 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,800 they're not doing like. Football, right? 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Like the football coaches in high school Kind. 152 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,240 Of like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. 153 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,440 The football, like a lot of football programs, like they 154 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,560 could probably do things a little bit better, but the good 155 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,880 thing is that they're doing something. 156 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,600 Jujitsu, on the other hand, was kind of the opposite. 157 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,200 They most grapplers, at least in the context of jujitsu, weren't 158 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,640 lifting. They weren't doing strength in 159 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,680 additioning. And that was kind of weird 160 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,480 coming into it. And so I just, I started 161 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,800 training jiu jitsu and my training partners would ask me 162 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,520 like, hey, like, like you feel really strong, like like what 163 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,480 are you doing? And I was like, well, I just, I 164 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,960 just lift when I'm not here at jiu jitsu, I'm at the gym 165 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,120 lifting. And so they were kind of asked a 166 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,000 couple questions. And then what I started to 167 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,200 recognize was people would start to get injured and then they'd 168 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,680 really start asking questions. They're like, hey, you're into 169 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,080 like exercise, right? And I was like, yeah, I'm like, 170 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,480 man, that guy, something about my shoulder, man. 171 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 It's just like real messed up. And so I started helping a lot 172 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,000 of my training partners through that. 173 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,280 And that kind of, that was eight years ago. 174 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,560 And so since then, I've really just have dived into as much as 175 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,280 I can, helping grappling athletes get stronger, be better 176 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,920 conditioned, help them be in better shapes. 177 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,520 That way they can do jujitsu better. 178 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,920 Nice, nice. How old were you when you 179 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,840 started doing jujitsu then? I. 180 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Was 20. Yeah, I'm 28 now, so I started 181 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,760 when I was 20. Nice. 182 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,560 So jujitsu has been one of those things that like I've, I've 183 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,080 always wanted to just dive into, but man, I'm tricky cuz like we 184 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,760 have, we've got jiu jitsu mats, we got zebra mats in my gym here 185 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,679 at the compound. We had like a year where all my 186 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,520 employees and I were like doing striking work. 187 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,880 We were doing, we were rolling, we were figuring all out. 188 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,280 And then right before I started prep for my 2023 competition, 189 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,360 one of them put me in an ankle lock and tore my LCL. 190 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,760 Oh my God, let's put a pause on the jiu jitsu until at least I'm 191 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,520 done competing. So I healed up from that and I 192 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,800 just haven't picked it back up because a couple different 193 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:58,640 reasons. They're all excuses. 194 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,400 But like I just had, I got two sons, one of them just turned 3 195 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,520 and I called and there's a jiu jitsu place not far from us that 196 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,960 has like a three to five year old class. 197 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,360 So I've been wanting to get him into it cuz I think that'd be 198 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,920 super good for him and I want to do it with them. 199 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,680 So I've been like not doing it until we could just both start 200 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:18,040 at the same time. But my problem is I'm still like 201 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,000 deep into bodybuilding and with my personality, like I just am 202 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,960 an extremist with all things that I do. 203 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,240 And I'm afraid that if I do jiu jitsu, I won't be able to focus 204 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,520 on the bodybuilding. But you're lifting while you're 205 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,760 doing jiu jitsu. Like, so do you find like if you 206 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,920 were trying to be the best bodybuilder you could be, the 207 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,280 jiu jitsu probably wouldn't be conducive to that because you'd 208 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,680 be risking unnecessary injury and overtraining, right? 209 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,360 I would assume. I I would agree with that. 210 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,600 I think it depends on a lot of different factors. 211 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,160 There's, you know, I'm in Seema Yang. 212 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,400 He's still a pro bodybuilder, but he hasn't competed in a long 213 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,960 time, but he still looks incredible. 214 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,720 He's a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt. 215 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,080 There's another guy that trains within Semen and I his name's 216 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Tyler. He's still a competitive 217 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,400 bodybuilder and he he competes in the wheelchair Mr. Olympia. 218 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,920 I don't know if he did the last Mr. Olympia, but he definitely 219 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,040 did the one in 2023. And when I talked to him, who's 220 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,320 still actively competing, he has so much skill in jiu jitsu as a 221 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,760 black belt that he knows how to train in a very, very Safeway 222 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,120 where he can use jiu jitsu as a little bit of his cardio work 223 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,120 for bodybuilding. However, that kind of comes all 224 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,920 within the context that he has such a high level of skill where 225 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,440 he can kind of like manage his intensity really well. 226 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,040 He knows how to keep himself safe. 227 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,120 If someone was a beginner, I would say that, you know, if 228 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,480 you're like in the middle of bodybuilding prep, just stick 229 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,160 with like the Stairmaster, like treadmill. 230 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Don't use jujitsu as your cardio in bodybuilding prep. 231 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,400 Use it as something fun to do in your offseason. 232 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Use it as something fun to do, like, you know, just to get you 233 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,920 out of the gym doing something different than just 234 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,600 bodybuilding. And as far as like staying safe 235 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,520 with injuries and stuff, a lot of that comes from just training 236 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,760 with training partners who know what they're doing and are able 237 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,120 to help you, like not mess yourself up, so to speak. 238 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,160 I, I heard someone say this on Instagram and I thought it was a 239 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,280 perfect description. They said most people think that 240 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 you're like, the most dangerous person to roll with is a black 241 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,360 belt because they got all this skill. 242 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:24,760 They're probably the safest person to roll with. 243 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,400 It's actually, I know you hunt a lot. 244 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,520 You probably like hunting like the more experienced hunter you 245 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,400 go with, they got you like, they're not going to let you. 246 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,440 This is best as possible. They're not going to let you 247 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,480 mess yourself up. They're going to teach you the 248 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,520 do's and don'ts, the etiquette and all that stuff. 249 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,160 If you got two guys that have never haunted before, they're 250 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,760 like, let's just figure it out. That's usually a recipe for 251 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,800 disaster. And jiu jitsu is very similar. 252 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,920 So if you got two guys that you know don't have a whole lot of 253 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,000 experience, the risk of injury is a lot higher. 254 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,640 If you're training with someone that has a lot more experience, 255 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,200 they can do a much better job of kind of funneling you and like 256 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,400 the safest route possible to be able to learn Jiu jitsu, get a 257 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,360 lot of benefits from it while also not taking too much away 258 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,160 from your bodybuilding training. It makes total sense. 259 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,360 What gets you into like martial arts to begin with, man? 260 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,960 Like when you started wrestling, what was the catalyst for that? 261 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,560 Yeah, I, I remember, I think I was in fifth grade. 262 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,920 It was like the summer between 4th grade and 5th grade. 263 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,720 And my brother and I, we had played soccer. 264 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,840 I wasn't very good at soccer at all. 265 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,680 We had played basketball. I was even worse at basketball. 266 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:29,920 Like I just wasn't good at most sports. 267 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,240 But I just wanted to do something. 268 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,320 And I remember my mom, she was driving us to this martial arts 269 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,240 school. It was probably like 10 minutes 270 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,480 away from our house. We called it karate. 271 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,680 We had no idea that it wasn't actual the martial art of 272 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:44,600 karate. It was called Bakfu, but we had 273 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,760 no idea. So we're like, ah, it's just 274 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,160 called karate. And my mom said, OK, this summer 275 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,160 you guys can pick. You guys can either do karate or 276 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,760 you guys can learn how to play the guitar. 277 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,320 I was like, well, I mean, playing the guitar seems dope. 278 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,240 Doing karate seems dope. At that time I was already 279 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,280 watching the UFC and stuff with my uncles and stuff. 280 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,080 And so I figured like, all right, I'll just do karate. 281 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,320 That's kind of how I got introduced into martial arts. 282 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,520 And I did that from 5th grade up until the middle of high school. 283 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,640 But also around that time was kind of when the economy crashed 284 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,360 and things were a little bit tougher financially. 285 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,600 And so I remember my parents and said, like, hey, we can't 286 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,520 necessarily afford for you to do martial arts year round, but 287 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,400 your middle school has a wrestling team. 288 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,120 So like, wrestling's kind of like, you know, kind of like 289 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,320 martial arts. How about you do that? 290 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,400 And my dad, he's incredible. He did a lot of, like, research 291 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,600 and like, really invested in getting us connected with the 292 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,880 wrestling program at our school. And he took us to the offseason 293 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,920 practices. And I hated it. 294 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,080 I was like, wrestling's lame. I don't want to do it. 295 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,160 Like, this sucks dad, but he made my brother and I go and 296 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,960 then by the end of that season, I ended up, I just love 297 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,120 wrestling. It was awesome. 298 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,600 And so I wrestled from 8th grade through to my junior year and 299 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,880 then kind of had a break for a few years. 300 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,040 And then when I was a freshman in college, that's when I 301 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,320 started jiu jitsu. Nice, nice. 302 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Do you prefer jiu jitsu as a sport? 303 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,280 As an art? Much more so than wrestling. 304 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,600 100%, yeah, 100%. I had stopped wrestling because 305 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,400 I really just didn't enjoy it anymore. 306 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,560 Wrestling is, there's so many benefits from wrestling and I 307 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,800 think that I would go as far to say that I think all like 308 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,320 growing boys and all young men should wrestle. 309 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,960 And now they have some pretty established and growing women's 310 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,320 wrestling program. So I think wrestling for women 311 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,400 is also incredible, but it just teaches you so much. 312 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,480 Like not just the mental toughness side and the 313 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,680 discipline side. But one thing that I really 314 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,840 loved about wrestling, which I didn't care for as much about 315 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,920 soccer and basketball, was that like you have full control over 316 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,560 what you're doing when you go out and compete. 317 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,200 You don't have to like do everything right and then some 318 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,480 dingus fumbles the football and cost of the game. 319 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,480 Like that would just, I never played football, but if I was in 320 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,080 that scenario, that would just drive me nuts. 321 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,200 And wrestling, if it's like, look, if you fumble the takedown 322 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,840 and you get pinned, like that's your fault, you know, there's 323 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,440 there's no one else to blame but yourself. 324 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,600 And I really enjoyed that. And I also really loved how 325 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 wrestling was the Ultimate Team sport as well. 326 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,120 You can't get better at wrestling in your room by 327 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,760 yourself. You have to have training 328 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,280 partners. You have to have people around 329 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,280 you that you can actually wrestle and engage with. 330 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,400 And so I thought that was awesome. 331 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:43,320 The downsides of wrestling is I think that in the time frame 332 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,520 that I was wrestling, being in middle school and high school 333 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,920 and you're growing, you're trying to like figure out your 334 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,600 identity and stuff. I put so much of my identity in 335 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,160 wrestling and the winning and losing and I've just like, 336 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,440 that's all I focused on and I was super competitive. 337 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,600 So if one weekend I won a tournament, I feel great. 338 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,000 And then another weekend if I lost or even if I like won most 339 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,960 of the matches but still lost and didn't get first place, I 340 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,080 was just absolutely devastated. And the the way wrestling is set 341 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,280 up is that there's not really, you don't have a guaranteed 342 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,880 spot. So it's not like, OK, you're a 343 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,480 senior. If you're a senior playing 344 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,920 football, you played varsity football. 345 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,640 In wrestling, they do challenge matches where basically they 346 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,200 have all the weight classes in high school, there's 14 347 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,240 different weight classes and every week they have wrestle 348 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,680 offs. So basically they run a 349 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,560 tournament within the school itself. 350 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,560 And then the best person in each weight class is the person that 351 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,440 wrestles. So every week you're battling 352 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,480 for your spot to wrestle varsity. 353 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,640 And if your varsity, you got to like defend that spot every 354 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,720 single week. And if you're not varsity, then 355 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,720 you're challenging every single week for that spot. 356 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,920 And it was super competitive. And there's a lot of benefit to 357 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,360 that. Yet I also think that that kind 358 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,160 of drove me to not love wrestling as much because of 359 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,119 just, you know, you put your identity only into winning and 360 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,040 losing and you don't put your identity and other things. 361 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,200 It's a very, your identity is built on a very shaky foundation 362 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,839 because not everyone can win everything all the time. 363 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,119 And maybe if you're Michael Jordan, but there's only one 364 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Michael Jordan. And so I ended up not wrestling 365 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,160 in my senior year and just like trying to figure things out, 366 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,760 just trying to figure out like, man, what am I going to do with 367 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,040 my life? What am I going to do with who I 368 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,200 am as a person? I was lifting before I was 369 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,800 wrestling, and I lifted all the time during wrestling. 370 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,680 And so I just kept lifting after I stopped wrestling. 371 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,640 And I loved it. Like strength and conditioning, 372 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,280 learning about strength and conditioning, bodybuilding, all 373 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,600 that stuff was so much fun. And so I just stuck with that. 374 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,320 And that's kind of what funneled me into doing that one 375 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,240 bodybuilding show. And after the bodybuilding show, 376 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,840 I definitely wanted to do more, but there's still part of me 377 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,760 that was like, I don't necessarily want to like step 378 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,040 into the Super hyper competitive, hyper intense 379 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,160 pressure cooker of wrestling, but I got to do, I got to do 380 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,040 something. I got to do some form of combat 381 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,040 sport, I got to do some form of martial arts. 382 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,400 And so that's when I end up finding jiu jitsu. 383 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,240 I only wrestled for four years and I've done jiu jitsu for 384 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,320 eight years and I love it. I still love wrestling. 385 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,720 Like there's aspects of wrestling that I enjoy, but I 386 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,480 love jiu jitsu way more. Yeah, well, I feel like, like I 387 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,880 did a bunch of team sports in like middle school and, you 388 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,880 know, basketball, baseball, stuff like that, a little bit of 389 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,040 football, but I never really enjoyed it all that much because 390 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,280 I like the individual sports. I like it when, you know, the 391 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,200 buck stops, so you you're, you know, reaping what you sow. 392 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,600 That's why I think I was drawn to bodybuilding so much because 393 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,120 like, I'm the one putting in the work. 394 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,000 It's totally an individual sport. 395 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,000 But wrestling or jiu jitsu is kind of like a blend of both 396 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,880 worlds because it's an individual sport, but you have 397 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,640 to have a good sparring partner and there's like a team 398 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,480 component to it in a regard. So like, it's the perfect 399 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,920 hybrid, so to speak. 100 percent, 100%. 400 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,360 I had a coach in high school who said in. 401 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,840 He said wrestling is the Ultimate Team sport because you 402 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,520 share your wins and you own your losses. 403 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,680 And so he would make that speech kind of like the start of every 404 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,000 season. He said like, Hey, there's going 405 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,160 to be like everybody here is probably going to win at least 406 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,800 one wrestling match and there's going to be guys that are going 407 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,280 to win a lot more wrestling matches, the better guys on the 408 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,960 team. And if you're winning a lot, 409 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,440 remember you share your wins with everyone else. 410 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,920 You did not get there on your own. 411 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,800 You were not a self-made man. You you accomplished those wins 412 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,920 thanks to all the training partners that contributed to 413 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,200 your success. And if you lose, there's no one 414 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000 else to blame but yourself. So if you lose, like don't come 415 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,600 back to us as the coaches and say, Oh, I lost because of, you 416 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,160 know, so and so did this or whatever. 417 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,400 It's like, we don't care. We're not, we're not going to 418 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,680 listen to it. You own your, you own your 419 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,040 losses and you share your wins. And that's what's super 420 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,920 impactful for me because I think like, what a what better way to 421 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,160 kind of set up young men for life with that kind of 422 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,120 mentality. It's like, Hey, if if you make a 423 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,440 mistake, if you fall short, like you got to take ownership for 424 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,000 that and you got to deal with it. 425 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,920 And yet, if you have a success, it's also important to 426 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,160 recognize, like, look, you probably didn't hit that success 427 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,720 all on your own. There were other people, there 428 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,200 were other things that helped contribute to that, that allowed 429 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,120 you to be in that position to be successful. 430 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,160 Yeah, yeah. I feel like when I'm looking at 431 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,120 how I want to parent my my sons now, I feel like that would be 432 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:34,680 an awesome outlook for them to learn because like, I've learned 433 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,080 so much through bodybuilding, like hard work, dedication, 434 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,480 discipline, consistency. But you can learn all those same 435 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,160 things through, you know, combat sport or jiu jitsu, but have 436 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,680 also that team element where you have to learn more about how to 437 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,040 talk to people, how to interact with people, how to, like, let 438 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,640 your ego and get in check. So yeah, it's pretty powerful, 439 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,600 man. 100 percent, 100%. I think for kids it's also great 440 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,000 too. I even though I didn't do jiu 441 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,560 jitsu when I was a kid, I did other martial arts which was 442 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,880 still physical. But just like getting used to 443 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,960 being physical with another person in a controlled way 444 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:14,160 that's not automatically 100% like balls to the wall the 445 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,360 hardest fight ever. I think that's important to 446 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,640 learn as a kid. At at least for me, it made me 447 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,040 more comfortable at least a little bit with confrontation. 448 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,240 And not that I got in any fights in school, but you just start to 449 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,520 build a little bit more confidence. 450 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Like if someone were to get in your face for something, it's 451 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,120 not like the scariest thing in the entire world. 452 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:36,680 Or if someone were to, you know, grab you and mess around a 453 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,640 little bit, it's not like the most alarming thing in the 454 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,200 world. You're used to just interacting 455 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,600 with other people. You're used to engaging with 456 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,920 other people. And as you can see for myself, 457 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,640 how that was beneficial as a kid. 458 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,600 I don't have any kids yet, but I, my wife and I are thinking 459 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,720 like, yeah, when we have kids someday, that aspect alone may 460 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,600 be beneficial. Like how to interact with other 461 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,600 people in that context. I think it's huge man. 462 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Like nobody really ever messes with me. 463 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,360 Like I've never been in a legitimate fist fight except 464 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,960 with my younger brother. And. 465 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,200 Like, I don't have any, you know, combat sport training, but 466 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240 I feel like people don't mess with me because I I carry myself 467 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,800 confidently and I know how to talk to people and communicate. 468 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,200 And I feel like if you just, I mean, you look at people these 469 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720 days, it's like they're slouched over, they're looking down, They 470 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,360 look like easy targets. But if you like, have confidence 471 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:25,320 in yourself, if you know how to communicate effectively, which 472 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,400 are all things you would learn through jiu jitsu, I mean, you 473 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,120 can just bypass all that negativity on the front end. 474 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,920 Yeah, absolutely. It's a it's a weird thing. 475 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,560 Like I've heard some people say like, oh, you walk like a like a 476 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,240 wrestler. It's like, what? 477 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,160 What does that mean? I don't, I don't know what that 478 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,800 means. And I think sometimes some 479 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,560 people mean like you got bad posture and like your shoulders 480 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,880 are internally rotated and it's like, OK, yeah, I probably 481 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,080 should work on a little bit more mobility. 482 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,920 But I think there's also the other aspect of like, yeah, 483 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,600 people that have wrestled or people that have done combat 484 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,760 sports or not even specific to those things, but people who 485 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,760 have dug really deep within themselves and like, grinded 486 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,480 through something, grinded through multiple hard 487 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,440 bodybuilding, perhaps grinded through multiple long hunting 488 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,800 trips and like packing out an animal and all that stuff. 489 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,280 I think that in a way kind of fixes your posture where you 490 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,920 start like walking with your chest up a little bit more, 491 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,440 walking with a little bit more confidence. 492 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,840 And that even though it may not be like the most obvious thing, 493 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,960 it's like a subconscious thing. Like people can pick up on that. 494 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,880 100% ma'am. So would you haven't been 495 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,600 introduced to you said eight years now total. 496 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,200 Do you feel like there's been this like hockey stick trend 497 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000 upward in its popularity like in the last? 498 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,560 I would, I would say three to four years because like, and 499 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,520 maybe it's correlated with Joe Rogan because he starts talking 500 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,840 about things like I noticed that with bow hunting, like bow 501 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,600 hunting wasn't popular and then he started having Cam Haynes on 502 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,000 his episodes a lot and Cam Haynes obviously a super 503 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,480 prominent bow hunter. And now everybody wants to be a 504 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,720 bow hunter. I think the same thing is 505 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,400 happening with jiu jitsu where it's like everybody's now 506 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,160 wanting to go roll and and emulate them. 507 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200 But have you noticed that as someone that's been in the space 508 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,760 for so long? 100 percent, 100%. 509 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,800 I started jiu jitsu because I was listening to, to Joe Rogan 510 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,560 and Jocko Willink and, and all that. 511 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:20,240 And even when I started it was still kind of like, I don't want 512 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,080 to say it was underground per SE, but it was, it just wasn't 513 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,000 mainstream. It just wasn't like I still had 514 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,520 to explain to people like when I first started jiu jitsu, like it 515 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,120 like, you know, I'd go to like Christmas Eve and my aunts would 516 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:36,760 say like, hey, like, what are you up to? 517 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,080 And I'd say, oh, I'm doing jiu jitsu and like, oh, is that like 518 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,960 like karate? And it's like, no, it's like 519 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,880 kind of like wrestling. And but anyways, they had no 520 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,880 idea. But now when I go to Christmas 521 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Eve or whatever, I could just see a total stranger and they 522 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,120 say like, oh, do you do jiu jitsu? 523 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,680 And I was like, yeah, they're like, oh, man, I on Instagram, I 524 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,800 see all these jiu jitsu clips or I saw that Mark Zuckerberg is 525 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,800 doing jiu jitsu now. So it definitely has kind of had 526 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,520 like this explosion. And I think what's cool about 527 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,840 that is that that's like the tide that raises all ships. 528 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,080 I know for me that's been great for my own business. 529 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,800 The more people that are doing jiu jitsu is like the more 530 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,160 people I have an opportunity to help, the more people I have an 531 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,160 opportunity to work with. And I think what's awesome is 532 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,400 that jiu jitsu is a way to get a community aspect, get some 533 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,040 combat sport and martial arts self-defense experience. 534 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,200 I know there's people out there that say that jiu jitsu is not 535 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,280 great for self-defense and maybe like the sport jiu jitsu where 536 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,640 you're like spinning upside down and like doing the splits and 537 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,360 stuff that may not be like the most effective self-defense, but 538 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:42,800 like if you know how to strangle somebody, you know how to like 539 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,800 break joints like that's pretty solid. 540 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840 But you get like the community aspect, you get the self-defense 541 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,640 aspect. You get like a lot of good like 542 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,120 physical interaction like it's physically demanding, yet you 543 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,520 don't get punched in the face. You there are injuries in it, 544 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,480 but depending on how you train, there's a lot of things that you 545 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,840 can do to decrease your risk of injury. 546 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,280 You know, if you're going to be doing stand up stuff, you can 547 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,800 decrease your risk of injury a lot, but there's still a risk 548 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,480 that you're going to get clipped with something and get some sort 549 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,920 of concussion, either a minor concussion or a major 550 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,880 concussion. In jiu jitsu, if you're training 551 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,280 smart, you're you like you leave your ego at home and you're 552 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,040 like, you're not trying to be a hero and and like wait till the 553 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,480 very last second to tap to something. 554 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,280 You can go pretty hard without necessarily having that high of 555 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280 a risk of injury. So I think a lot of those things 556 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,000 contributed to what's made it so popular. 557 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,720 And it also helps that like MMA is getting more popular. 558 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Not everyone's going to do MMA, but there's a lot more people 559 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,080 that watch MMA that might do jiu jitsu. 560 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600 Jiu jitsu competitions are growing and getting more 561 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,120 exciting and more engaging from a production value. 562 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,560 So I think there's a lot of things that contribute to that 563 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,200 hockey stick effect that we've seen over the last couple years. 564 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,920 Is there like, it's like some unspoken jiu jitsu etiquette 565 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,840 that I would need to know before just walk into a Dojo and be 566 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,240 like, all right, I'm signing up? Like what? 567 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,000 What do I need to know so I don't make a fool of myself? 568 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,320 Yeah, honestly, honestly, like just be cool. 569 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,320 You know what, you're already a cool guy. 570 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,160 Like I think the only there's like hygiene etiquette. 571 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,760 So like, you know, it's definitely a good idea to trim 572 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,080 your fingernails that way you don't like accidentally scratch 573 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,320 somebody. Like not that anyone would ever 574 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,560 intentionally like try to claw somebody, but if your 575 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320 fingernails are a little bit long, it's good to trim those. 576 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,680 You know, don't walk with, don't walk on the mat with your shoes 577 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,080 on because like you don't want the rocks from your shoes to 578 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080 like dig into the mat and mess up the mats and stuff. 579 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,720 If you already have zebra mats, like I'm sure you're already 580 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840 aware, like those things are pretty pricey. 581 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000 They're really nice. Like as much as possible, like 582 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,320 keep them clean, you know, keep the take care of him and stuff 583 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,640 like that. And then honestly, like just, 584 00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:00,720 you're already a cool guy And based on like what you do in 585 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,720 life, like with all the hunting, the bodybuilding, 586 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,480 entrepreneurship and all that stuff you already have, like, I 587 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,960 don't believe you would be a guy that goes in that with this 588 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,240 giant ego, you know, like you're just going to like, hey, like, 589 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,000 what can I learn? How can, how can I get better 590 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,920 today? And there's that side which we 591 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,120 can consciously, like, do our best to be prepared for. 592 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,520 But then there's like, all these unconscious things that kind of 593 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,760 just get fixed with time. So like, when I first started 594 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,840 doing jiu jitsu, I would tense up a lot. 595 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,480 Like, I'd tense up and hold my breath and I would just 596 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,960 completely gas me out. And that's something that you 597 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,560 kind of learn over time of like, OK, I probably don't need to 598 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,680 tense up really hard in every exchange. 599 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,360 I can learn how to relax a little bit. 600 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,680 There's other things I heard someone say like, hey, if 601 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,240 something's not working, doing it more aggressively and harder 602 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,960 probably isn't the answer. So that was helpful for me. 603 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,240 Like, OK, if this technique isn't working, even though I'm, 604 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,000 I'm strong, I probably don't need to just RIP on it as hard 605 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,720 as I can to try to figure it out to make it work. 606 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,400 There might be another like detail that I'm missing that can 607 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,520 make it work a little bit better. 608 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,480 But yeah, other than that, it's like just be cool, which you 609 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,240 already are, and you'll you'll be just fine. 610 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Yeah, I'll try and be cool for sure. 611 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,480 I'm afraid that like, like because I come from 612 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,280 bodybuilding, like I would have a natural tendency to just try 613 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,720 to use my strength and overdo it in that regard. 614 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,080 As opposed to like actually, you know, technique fixating on 615 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:31,880 that. Because the cool thing about 616 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,440 jujitsu is you can have somebody that's 115 lbs and scrawny as 617 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,200 hell just totally wipe the floor with some that's twice as heavy 618 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,080 as them. But it's like, that's all 619 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,800 technique. You know, it's not muscle, but 620 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,200 that's technique. So I got to just like fixate on 621 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,440 that and not to rely on the muscle and strength that I've 622 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,240 built over decades to try and compensate basically. 623 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600 I think I hear I hear what you're saying. 624 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,880 And I think unfortunately, jiu jitsu has created a bad stigma 625 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,800 around using strength. And that's kind of what made it 626 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,120 popular was like, Oh yeah, hoist Gracie won the first UFC. 627 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720 He wasn't as big and as jacked as some of those other guys and 628 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,600 he submitted all of them, which that is incredible. 629 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,280 And that was awesome to see, but I think that message has kind of 630 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760 gotten muddled that like, oh, you don't need strength. 631 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,280 And it's like, whoa, let's pump the brakes. 632 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,520 That 115 LB guy, like he'll mop up a dude that's bigger than him 633 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440 that doesn't know jiu jitsu. A bigger guy that knows jiu 634 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,000 jitsu, he's cooked like he's getting smashed. 635 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,000 And so when people come into jiu jitsu that are already strong, 636 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,760 usually I just encourage him like, Hey, you're going to kind 637 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,120 of find that you're going to do things a little bit harder and 638 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,720 apply a lot more force than most everyone else that has been 639 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,800 doing jiu Jitsu. So just try to like 640 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,600 intentionally slow down a little bit and just keep like an idea 641 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,720 in your head of like, if I'm, if I'm doing a rowing motion more 642 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,080 than 70%, like I might be going and it's not working, I might be 643 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280 going a little too hard. I don't probably don't need to 644 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400 row like, you know, RIP an arm drag, which is kind of looks 645 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280 like a rowing movement. Probably don't need to RIP that 646 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,960 100% could probably like try to figure it out at around 70%. 647 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,480 And then the other thing that helps too is just a breathing a 648 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,920 lot more when we tense up and like brace, we're getting ready 649 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,480 to like be really explosive. But if you just kind of slow 650 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,200 down your breathing a little bit, try to relax a little bit, 651 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,480 you can still be strong. You can still, you know, move 652 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,440 fluidly and be really effective, but you're not you're not as 653 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720 spazzy, if that makes sense. And I think honestly, like one 654 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 of the best examples of this is in Seema in Seema's black belt. 655 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,360 He started training a little bit before I did and he's he's like 656 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,280 200 and 42150 lbs. He's huge, but he moves really, 657 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,080 really well. And if you watch him train, he 658 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,800 doesn't really like grunt very much. 659 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,480 He doesn't really like, you don't really see a lot of like 660 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720 intensity in his face. It doesn't look like he's 661 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,240 lifting. And I think sometimes like when 662 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,800 people come from lifting and they are super strong, which is 663 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,840 great, that's like a huge asset to have. 664 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,680 And it like a great part of athleticism to have. 665 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,880 Sometimes they kind of just take how they would lift something 666 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680 like an explosive Rd. explosive press. 667 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,760 They do that for everything when maybe there's a little bit 668 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,680 better at balance to be had. Like, hey, there's a time to be 669 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,840 explosive, but a lot of the time, like try to be a little 670 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440 bit more relaxed, try to be a little bit more fluid and go 671 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,360 from there. You roll with encima. 672 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,240 I don't roll with him too often. No, no. 673 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,160 So I'm mostly train no key. So like no pyjamas and Encima 674 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,440 trains mostly in the ghee. So occasionally if I'm showing 675 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920 up to a ghee training session and he's there, we might roll 676 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,920 and Seema's awesome they, but they're also like for myself, 677 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,560 there are times where like I go in with something very specific 678 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,320 that I'm going to work on and sometimes in Sima and I will 679 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,120 work on those. Like at least for me, there's 680 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,360 this thing called the constraints LED approach to jiu 681 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,160 jitsu. We have like very specific 682 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,520 training constraints to develop certain skills and that may not 683 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,320 always work with what in Sima is working on or a competition he's 684 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,000 prepping for, but we roll occasionally. 685 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,360 I want to say I train with him all the time. 686 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,680 So, so with the ghee and no ghee, like is that just kind of 687 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,840 like more purist versus more practical like what, what's kind 688 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,240 of like the ideology around the ghee versus no ghee? 689 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,480 So to my understanding, Jiu jitsu originated from judo and 690 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,520 they wore the ghee and then when MMA got popular it didn't make 691 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,240 sense to wear the ghee because no one's wearing the ghee in 692 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,960 MMA. Or at least after the first few 693 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,840 years of MMA, no one was wearing the ghee. 694 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,960 And that's where nogi kind of became more popular. 695 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,960 It's like, hey, why are we learning how to strangle someone 696 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840 with their collars? If we're training for an MMA 697 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,200 fight and they don't have any collars, we might as well just 698 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760 try to learn all the same stuff, but without the use of the 699 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,280 fabric. And so that's kind of where it 700 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,120 branched off. And there are a lot of guys that 701 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,960 do both. Like I know I started doing like 702 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,760 a even split like 50% of the days when I started jiu jitsu 703 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,600 where nogi 50% were in the ghee. And now it's like 95 five. 704 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,840 Like every couple weeks I might do 1 Gee session. 705 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,679 But because I came from wrestling, which we just wore a 706 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,600 singlet, it was just, it was just a smoother transition just 707 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,040 to mostly focus on no Gee. Yeah, because I guess with the 708 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,920 Gee training, like you're pretty much making your decisions based 709 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,840 off of them wearing vents, like all of your hand positioning is 710 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,320 all around the collar. Like it just totally changes 711 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,239 where you're grabbing. I mean changes everything I 712 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,840 guess. Yeah, there's it does change a 713 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,480 lot. Like there's specific, there's 714 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,639 specific grips like if you were to try to grab someone's tricep 715 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,560 like this, like it would be really hard to control someone 716 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,240 because like you could might be able to get it, but it's kind of 717 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,120 easy for them to just pull their arm off. 718 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,840 But if you grab like the sleeve, that's a super strong grip that 719 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,480 you can have on the back of someone's tricep, that's pretty 720 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,520 hard for them to break. So there's little things like 721 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,240 that, like different grips, there's different submissions to 722 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:21,000 that you can do. But I'd say like probably 70% of 723 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,360 it crosses over between both. Like all the principles around, 724 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,800 like, hey, you know, if we're going to protect our neck, the 725 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,600 principles of protecting your neck, whether you're wearing a 726 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,240 ghee or no ghee, are pretty similar. 727 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,560 You want to defend your neck, you want to make sure their 728 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,240 hands aren't getting around and under your chin, stuff like 729 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,480 that. So there's quite a bit of 730 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,280 crossover. Makes sense. 731 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,800 What what what do you look for? And this is a selfish question, 732 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,160 but what do you look for in like a good quality school or Dojo 733 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840 for jiu jitsu? Like what do I need to keep in 734 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,280 mind when I'm because there's one that I know is relatively 735 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,080 reputable like 25 minutes from him? 736 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,360 I'm kind of in the middle of the country though. 737 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,720 Like should I shop around or what would you base that off of? 738 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,840 Yeah, I think there's a few things. 739 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,960 I think I think it's great to shop around, like take as many 740 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,160 trial classes as you want at all the gyms in town. 741 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,920 And I never thought of this because I don't have any kids, 742 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,280 but one guy that I trained with, someone asked him this question 743 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,840 on a podcast and he said, look at their kids program. 744 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,640 If their kids program is really strong, that's a great sign. 745 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,120 Because if, if there's a lot of parents that trust this 746 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,440 instructor or this group of instructors consistently enough 747 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,920 to bring their kids there two to three times a week, that's a 748 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,520 really good sign. That's a good sign that they 749 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,280 know what they're doing. They got their business taken 750 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,160 care of. They create a good environment 751 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,480 for kids to learn in that's going to transfer better to 752 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,600 adults. It doesn't always work on the 753 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,040 other side. Like there may be a gym that has 754 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,400 like a ton of competitors, a ton of MMA fighters and they might 755 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,320 have some kids classes, but it's like some teenager that doesn't 756 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,880 know what he's doing having kids. 757 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,720 It's like rock em sock em robots on the mat and stuff. 758 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,960 That may not be the best place unless that's what you're 759 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120 looking for. Like when when I first started 760 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,680 jiu jitsu, I trained at an MMA gym. 761 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,120 I didn't have any kids. I was like, I don't care what 762 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,240 the kids class is like, like I'm just going to throw down. 763 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,160 But you know, like what you said, if you know, if the goal 764 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,440 is to do it with your son, I'd air on the side of like find a 765 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,760 place that has a really good established kids program. 766 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,080 And then all the other things too. 767 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,840 Like if you walk in and it smells clean and it looks clean, 768 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,120 that's great sign. If you walk in and and like the 769 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,800 bathrooms are an absolute mess, like there's sweat everywhere 770 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,920 and no one mops up like that's, I'd say like that's a little bit 771 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,960 of a red flag. There's also some stuff. 772 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,000 Thankfully the place that I train at isn't like this at all. 773 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,360 And I didn't even know about this until after I'd already 774 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,920 been doing jiu jitsu for a couple years. 775 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,800 But there are some places that are a little bit, for lack of a 776 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,400 bad term, they're just a little bit cultish. 777 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,640 Like the instructor wants you to only wear a white ghee with the 778 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,320 school patch on it. You can't wear anything else and 779 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,280 you have to like, you know, when you tie your belt, you have to 780 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,240 face away from the mat and you have to ask to use the bathroom 781 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,920 before you leave. Like I can, I understand that 782 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,360 for kids, like you want to build like a culture of respect and a 783 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,880 culture of discipline and all that stuff. 784 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,720 But once you're an adult, like you're a grown ass man. 785 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,680 I'm a grown ass man. I'm not asking anyone to go to 786 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,920 the bathroom. Like if I got to go to the 787 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,080 bathroom, I'm going to the bathroom. 788 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,680 I'm not going to be a like bowing to a picture of a dead 789 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,000 guy on the wall or any like weird stuff like that. 790 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,120 So there's some stuff that has kind of transferred over from 791 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,480 like super, super old school traditional Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, 792 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,760 which I don't, I don't the place I train at now, the Casio, he's 793 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,720 from Brazil and he's awesome. Like like we bow at the end of 794 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,280 class just as like a not like as any weird thing, but just like, 795 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360 hey, class is over, bow out. That's it. 796 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,640 But he doesn't care. Like what do you wear? 797 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,160 He doesn't care if you go to the bathroom. 798 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,200 Like he's pretty chill about all that stuff. 799 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,080 Nice, nice. Yeah, Cool deal, man. 800 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,160 Yeah, I'll check it out for sure. 801 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,120 I'm assuming with like a three to five year old age group for 802 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,080 them, they're doing like just basics. 803 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,800 Like they're not going to be strangleholding on Week 2 I 804 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,360 wouldn't think. No, no. 805 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,120 I think what's cool about jiu jitsu for little kids is that 806 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,520 it's often times like gymnastics with a little bit of like 807 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,200 grappling involved, like a lot of tumbling and a lot of like 808 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,680 somersaults and stuff like that. With a little bit of like, hey, 809 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,280 this is how you know you do a takedown or this is how you do 810 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,120 whatever. Nice. 811 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,360 So how? I mean, anything is better than 812 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,440 nothing, obviously, but like, how many days a week would one 813 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,600 need to commit to, to, you know, going after it to like, see a 814 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,720 measurable improvement and not like overdo it necessarily, but 815 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,200 like not just tipping their toe in. 816 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,840 That's a great question. I think this is one of the 817 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160 biggest mistakes a lot of people make when they first start jiu 818 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,040 jitsu, especially if they're like Someone Like You and me 819 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,800 were like once we catch the bug on something like it's all gas, 820 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,600 no brakes on that one thing. And I think a lot of times 821 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,760 people will. Go way too hard, way too fast 822 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,360 where they like try to train 4-5 days a week at jiu jitsu and 823 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,960 they physically haven't caught up to be able to handle that 824 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000 kind of workload or that kind of training volume. 825 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,920 We can almost look at it. It's like, you know, if someone 826 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,480 wanted to go running and they haven't ran before and they're 827 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,280 like, oh, I watched this David Goggins video. 828 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,000 He ran 100 miles. Well, I'll just do half that. 829 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,960 I'll run 50 miles. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, 830 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,360 whoa. I did that same thing. 831 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,680 Listen to his podcast last night on the spot. 832 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,640 I know they. Mad at me to blast you out like 833 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,600 that, but but there is like a there does need to be a slight 834 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,080 progression and how much time you're spending on the mat if 835 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,200 you want to be able to do it for a long period of time. 836 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,520 So for someone who's just starting jiu jitsu, if they're 837 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,160 in decently good shape, I'd say like two days a week is perfect, 838 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080 like 2 days a week. If you could do that every week 839 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,480 for say like 2 to three months and are able to successfully 840 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,720 recover, well, you could probably do more. 841 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,320 But if you're like you said, your main goal is to like still 842 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,880 be competitive as a bodybuilder and still make strides in that, 843 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,880 I think doing more than two days a week might have a negative 844 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,440 impact on that. After a few months though, once 845 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,880 you get familiar enough with it, you will also get much better at 846 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,600 kind of auto regulating your training. 847 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,080 So with some guys that I coach, the guys that I've noticed that 848 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,640 the guys that are more experienced, they can have a lot 849 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,800 of days on the mat and recover pretty well because they're just 850 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,600 so much better at auto regulating training. 851 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,520 You know, with the people you coach, maybe you've experienced 852 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,560 this where someone's brand new to the gym and it's like, hey, 853 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,360 we're going to have you go to the gym twice a week and we'll 854 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,120 have you do like a lighter stuff at home the other days of the 855 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,080 week. That way you're still doing 856 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,840 physical activity, but you really only have like 2 hard 857 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,920 workouts. It's when someone is more 858 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,920 experienced and they've gotten a better handle of the gym. 859 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,800 You might have them go to the gym five days a week, but they 860 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,720 kind of intuitive, intuitively know, OK, you know, days one and 861 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,640 four are the days I really push it. 862 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,520 Days 2-3 and five, little bit lighter, still able to get some 863 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,840 good work in, but I'm better able to manage intensity and 864 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,440 manage my fatigue and stuff like that. 865 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,520 So jiu jitsu works very similarly, say two days a week 866 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,480 to start is pretty solid. And then the other thing too is 867 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,480 when it comes to the live sparring aspect, you definitely 868 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,160 don't have to spar every single round. 869 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,600 I think that's another thing that messes people up. 870 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,880 They're not used to doing that much live grappling and they 871 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,880 feel like they have to do every single round. 872 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,080 It's still like the first few weeks just do half and then you 873 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,760 know, do a round, take a round off, watch, do another round, 874 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,480 take a round off and watch. Then as you get a little bit 875 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,480 more familiar, you start to get used to like the rigors and the 876 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,840 stresses of grappling. Start doing more rounds. 877 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,840 Maybe add another day of jiu jitsu. 878 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,960 I think as when people, when jiu jitsu guys ask me, oh, how many 879 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,680 days should I go to the gym? I say just go to the gym as many 880 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,160 days as you can every week. Just as long as it doesn't 881 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,720 negatively impact your jiu jitsu training and negatively impact 882 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,240 your overall recovery. For some guys that's two days, 883 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,480 for some guys that's four days. And I think the looking at it 884 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,000 from the flip side of the coin is also very similar. 885 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,400 So if you're bodybuilding and you're, you know, lifting and 886 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,080 all that stuff, go to jiu jitsu as many days as you can per 887 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,640 week, just as long as it doesn't have any negative impact on your 888 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,160 bodybuilding training when you're just starting out, that 889 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,600 maybe two days a week. If you're someone like my guy 890 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,280 Tyler, who's a black belt and competes at Mr. Olympia, he can 891 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,040 probably go to jujitsu every day and do something and be totally 892 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,920 fine. But that comes with experience, 893 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,720 comes with having a better understanding of auto regulation 894 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,640 and all that stuff. Nice. 895 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560 No, it makes total sense. So like what you personally, 896 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,400 you're still lifting, you're rolling, How do you structure 897 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,920 like nuts and bolts of your training, split jujitsu, split 898 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,840 nutrition, like how are you structuring everything? 899 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,400 Yeah, so right now I'm only training jiu jitsu about twice a 900 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,080 week. Things have been pretty busy 901 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,120 with work and I just finished a big bulk, so I was like, I'm 902 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,400 leveraging as much time as I can to be in the gym. 903 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,920 But from like on average, I'd say I go to the gym about three 904 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,520 to four days a week and I'm going to jiu jitsu on average 905 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,760 about three to four days a week. And I was competing, I was going 906 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,400 to the gym a little bit less and going to jiu jitsu a lot more. 907 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,920 You know, in 2020 when I didn't have jiu jitsu, I was going to 908 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,680 the gym a lot more because that's all I could do. 909 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,200 But for me, a typical week of training, I structure it using 910 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,680 the condensed conjugate split. So, you know, conjugate system 911 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,680 came from a lot of the strength coaches in the Soviet Union, 912 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520 then got really popular in, in the United States and 913 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,800 powerlifting circles and guys like Louis Simmons. 914 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,840 And basically the conjugate system is focusing on using 915 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,440 three main training methods. You have your Max effort method, 916 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,000 your dynamic effort method, and your repetition effort method. 917 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,880 The Max effort method you can almost think of like that's the 918 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,320 heavy, heavy strength work. It looks like working up to a 919 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,600 three Rep Max on some big compound lifts. 920 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,360 Squat, bench press, deadlift, overhead press, stuff like that. 921 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,080 Dynamic effort method is most of your speed and explosive power 922 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,760 work. So that could be speed bench 923 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480 press or speed squats, but it could also include other things 924 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,520 like jumping, mid ball slams, kettlebell swings, if you got 925 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,920 some hills, you can do hill sprints, stuff like that. 926 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,120 And then the repetition effort method is kind of like the glue 927 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,440 that puts those two things together. 928 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,600 You have your bodybuilding training a little bit more of 929 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,720 your GPP or, or general physical preparedness or general fitness 930 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,960 work. And so throughout the week, I 931 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,080 make sure that I'm checking all three of those boxes. 932 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,200 And the condensed conjugate model is something I picked up 933 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,600 from Phil Darue. He's Amma, strength and 934 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,520 editioning coach, and that's basically a way of how you can 935 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,160 combine some of those methods in your workouts. 936 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,520 Try to check all those boxes throughout the week. 937 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,240 So one workout may look like a Max effort lower dynamic effort 938 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,800 upper. So we'll start the workout with 939 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,640 something really heavy for the lower body. 940 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,000 That may be some sort of squat, some sort of deadlift, or some 941 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,440 sort of good morning working up to A1 to five Rep Max. 942 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,520 We'll pick one to two secondary exercises. 943 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,920 So like, say we do a squat and we work up to a heavy triple or 944 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,920 a heavy set of three. I'm not necessarily trying to 945 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,680 like always hit the biggest eyeball popping, gut busting, 946 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,760 heaviest set ever, but I want to hit some heavyweight. 947 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,640 I want to do something heavy, strain against some heavy loads 948 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,400 for that workout. So say we start with the squat. 949 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,040 Secondary exercises might be like some sort of lunge or some 950 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,480 sort of unilateral heavy lower body movement for four to six 951 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,080 sets, 4 to 6 reps That kind of covers the Max effort method for 952 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,280 the lower body. Then we'll move to the upper 953 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,280 body and do all of our speed and explosive power work. 954 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,120 So plow push ups, mid ball slams, maybe even like some 955 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,880 speed bench press. There's a bunch of different 956 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,040 things that you can do with that, and that'll be one 957 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,120 workout. So we checked two of those boxes 958 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,920 and then the next workout may look like the exact opposite. 959 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,920 So Max effort upper, dynamic effort lower. 960 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,160 So we hit the heavy bench press for three reps, do some heavy 961 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,200 pull ups, heavy rows. Then we do something fast and 962 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,080 explosive for the lower body sprints, jumps, banded 963 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,800 kettlebell swings, stuff like that. 964 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,240 And then on day three, this is something that I picked up from 965 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,040 Mark Bell. I, I like to call those the 966 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,560 jacked and tan days where it's just all bodybuilding stuff. 967 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,840 So you're hitting all your repetition effort method 968 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,600 exercises that could be like gangster and out on arms. 969 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480 It really could be like as deep into bodybuilding as you want to 970 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,920 take it. And then some other guys that I 971 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,680 coach, they're not as much of A meathead as myself. 972 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,800 So I have them do a little bit more like circuit based stuff. 973 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,520 But the goal is really just to get a lot of blood flow, get a 974 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,320 crazy pump, leave the gym feeling better than when you 975 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,800 walked in. And so those are kind of like 976 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,800 the three main workouts that I do and I'll kind of like swap in 977 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,320 different exercises, swap in like different sets and reps 978 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,960 just based on whatever the overall training goal is. 979 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,560 So if I'm bulking and like going through a big hypertrophy phase, 980 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,440 some of those Max suffer movements may be large range of 981 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,640 motion, trying to get a really big deep stretch exercises that 982 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,480 may not be the absolute best for overall strength that are 983 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,280 really, really good for hypertrophy. 984 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,200 So instead of doing like a three Rep Max box squat, which would 985 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,040 be great for strength, I might do like an 8 Rep Max hack squat 986 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,840 or maybe an 8 Rep Max RDL or stiff leg deadlift. 987 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,320 If the goal is to prep for competition, some of the guys 988 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,280 that I'm coaching are gearing up to compete at Master World's 989 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,720 here in a couple weeks. We're really trying to focus on 990 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,000 getting a really big strength stimulus without having a lot of 991 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,520 wear and tear. So that might look like a trap 992 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,800 bar deadlift, but they let go of the bar at the top so they don't 993 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,040 have as much eccentric loading that may look like split squats 994 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,640 with overcoming isometrics. So they like get a barbell, get 995 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,280 into a split squat position, but just RIP into the pins as hard 996 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,040 as possible. They're able to get a huge 997 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,480 training stimulus, but not necessarily have a whole lot of 998 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,760 wear and tear. So that way they have plenty of 999 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,320 energy to go train hard at jiu jitsu. 1000 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,000 So the condensed conjugate model is like the outline that I 1001 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,240 typically use for myself and a lot of the athletes that I 1002 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,600 coach. And then we dive into the 1003 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,680 specific exercises and sets and reps just based on whatever 1004 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,720 their training goals are or their training needs are. 1005 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,240 And do you alternate those days with your jiu jitsu training? 1006 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:49,000 So like you know, heavy day, then your jiu jitsu, then the 1007 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,600 dynamic day and split or how do you have that we've done? 1008 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,880 So it depends on the athlete for me, since I'm only doing 2 jiu 1009 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,960 jitsu days per week, I lift only on one day and then I go to jiu 1010 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,600 jitsu on another day. Other seasons of life where I'm 1011 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,600 doing a lot more jiu jitsu, I'll double up where I lift heavy in 1012 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,960 the morning and then go real hard later in the day. 1013 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,880 And depending on what that looks like I try to use. 1014 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,320 I think some people call it the high low method, and I've also 1015 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,280 heard some people call it the 48 to 72 hour rule where we just 1016 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,200 put high stimulus training days throughout the week separated by 1017 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,400 about 48 to 72 hours. So instead of doing a really 1018 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,560 hard workout on Monday and then a really hard jiu jitsu session 1019 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,400 on Tuesday and then trying to do another really hard workout on 1020 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440 Wednesday, that can work early in the week. 1021 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,400 But by the time you get to the end of the week, you've 1022 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,480 accumulated so much fatigue that's going to be really hard 1023 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,800 to give it your best on Friday and Saturday. 1024 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,200 If you combined your hard workout with your hard jiu jitsu 1025 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,840 session on Monday and then take things a little bit easier on 1026 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,000 Tuesday, that gives you a little bit more time to recover. 1027 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,400 So that way you're ready to hit it hard again on Wednesday. 1028 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,920 So that is typically how I set it up for myself. 1029 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,480 And then the athletes that I coach, if they're doing so much 1030 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,560 jiu jitsu to where they're going to have some double days where 1031 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,640 they're lifting heavy and rolling hard in the same day. 1032 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,800 We use that high, low method where we have a day that's high 1033 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,880 stimulus followed by a day that's a low stimulus, or at 1034 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,120 least a day where they're able to get a little bit more 1035 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,520 recovery so that way that they don't accumulate as much fatigue 1036 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,640 throughout the week. Makes sense how? 1037 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,400 How long are your sessions on average for the training and the 1038 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,240 jiu jitsu? For me, I love being in the gym, 1039 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:33,880 so I'm there at least for like 90 minutes and sometimes longer. 1040 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,840 And then jiu jitsu is usually like 90 minutes to 2 hours. 1041 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,360 But for athletes that I'm coaching that like jiu jitsu is 1042 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,800 their main thing, I try to make sure their workouts are no 1043 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,840 longer than 75 minutes. It's like, I know like how 1044 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,360 people say like, oh, serum testosterone starts to drop off 1045 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,000 after about 75 minutes of exercise and all that stuff, but 1046 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,720 I just love being in the gym. So I'd rather like be in the gym 1047 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,360 as long as possible, even though I know like they may not always 1048 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,680 be conducive to what science says. 1049 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,400 I just love being in the gym. So for me personally, my 1050 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,000 workouts are a little long. My jujitsu sessions are a little 1051 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,320 long, but this is what I do and this is what I love doing. 1052 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,200 For someone else that either has a tighter schedule or maybe 1053 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,760 doesn't enjoy lifting as much, you definitely don't need to be 1054 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,920 in the gym for 90 plus minutes to get a good training stimulus. 1055 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,640 Like a lot of guys that I coach, their workouts are 45 to 60 1056 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,840 minutes tops, and then they're doing jiu jitsu for 6075 minutes 1057 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,200 a day. Nice. 1058 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,040 Tell me about this book you just what was the motivation behind 1059 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,240 that? Oh man, I just, well, I just 1060 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,840 finished a cut. Like I, even though I'm not 1061 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,280 competing in bodybuilding, I, the stuff that I learned from 1062 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,400 doing that bodybuilding show has been amazing. 1063 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,960 Like learning how to get really, really lean and really, really 1064 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,640 shredded. I think is a skill that a lot of 1065 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,840 people should have or at least like dabble in a little bit. 1066 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,120 And so last year, like last spring, I was kind of like going 1067 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,200 through a lot of maintenance in my training. 1068 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,440 And I'd love to hear from you too, if you've ever experienced 1069 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,520 this where sometimes things with work and just other stuff going 1070 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,560 on in life, like get so crazy that training is just like, I'm 1071 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,000 just going to like just maintain. 1072 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,200 And my gym sessions are just going to be about maintaining, 1073 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,600 making sure that I'm constantly putting up points on the 1074 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,440 scoreboard, not missing any workouts. 1075 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,520 But realistically, I'm not going to like put my full intent to 1076 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,880 like PR my squad or something like that. 1077 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,000 And so I was kind of in that maintenance phase for a little 1078 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,960 bit too long where after a while I realized like I got to, I got 1079 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,160 to like turn up the heat and do something, You know, if I'm not 1080 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,360 going to be competing in jiu jitsu, I at least got to be able 1081 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,320 to push myself in the gym. And so I just set a goal of 1082 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,440 like, I'm just going to get crazy shredded, get as lean as I 1083 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,440 possibly can. And so I did that. 1084 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,320 And then at the end of that, I maintained for a little while 1085 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,600 and I'm sure every bodybuilder or anyone that is that loves gym 1086 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:01,920 culture kind of goes through this. 1087 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,600 You love the part where you're actively getting leaner and 1088 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,360 leaner and leaner. And then you stay lean for like 1089 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,360 6 to 8 weeks and you realize, like, man, I feel kind of weak. 1090 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,040 I should probably try to get big. 1091 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,240 So then you start bulking up again. 1092 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:21,360 That's basically what I did. So I booked for 24 weeks and 1093 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,640 then the last 12 weeks have just been maintenance which I feel 1094 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,080 pretty good but I'm also ready to start leaning out again so 1095 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,720 probably like pretty soon. Like tracking macros and 1096 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,000 conscious of how many calories you're eating in a bulk and 1097 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,200 versus a cut and stuff like that. 1098 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,120 Yeah, yeah. So I've done a few different 1099 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,720 diets, some that were really heavy on tracking, some that 1100 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,720 were a little bit more intuitive, some that were a 1101 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:47,560 little bit more restrictive, where it's like, hey, I can eat 1102 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,480 as much as I want, but I'm just not eating these particular 1103 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,920 foods or whatever the case may be. 1104 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,120 And over the years, I've found that for me, tracking macros has 1105 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,160 been what's worked best just for my overall athletic development 1106 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,240 because I know very specifically of like, hey, this is how much I 1107 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,680 need to feel and perform my best. 1108 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,040 Like I know like I've tested it. I know that when I have 30 to 40 1109 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,760 grams of fast digestible carbohydrates right before jiu 1110 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,280 jitsu, I feel really, really, really good. 1111 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,480 I also know that when I have, you know, much higher carbs and 1112 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,000 a lot lower fat, like a more traditional bodybuilding style 1113 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,080 diet, I feel really, really good. 1114 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,720 I also know, on the other hand, that there's specific foods that 1115 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,280 tend to mess up my digestion a little bit or cause me to not 1116 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,440 feel as good. So it kind of like the the 1117 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,360 outline that he used for a lot of people that I coaches like 1118 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,080 let's before we start tracking macros, let's just get your food 1119 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,280 selection on point. Like for the next 8 to 12 weeks, 1120 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,160 only want you to eat what has a mom or comes from the ground and 1121 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,280 then get 1g of protein per pound of body weight. 1122 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,760 And they might say, like, well, coach, what about this and this 1123 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,280 and this? It's like, does it have a mom 1124 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,000 like, well, came in a box at the grocery store? 1125 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,120 It's like, OK, well, yeah, you should probably like skip that 1126 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,960 for the next 8 to 12 weeks. So I kind of build out that 1127 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,120 foundation And then based on those foods, those nutrient 1128 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,720 dense whole food sources, then we kind of move into tracking 1129 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,360 macros. And it's like one guy might say, 1130 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,560 hey, you know, I'm following the diet like I'm, I can see that 1131 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,480 I'm getting leaner and decrease in body fat, but I just always 1132 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,480 feel so exhausted at jiu jitsu. It's like, all right, well, what 1133 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,160 are you eating before jiu jitsu? And like, God, nothing. 1134 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,440 It's like, OK, well, maybe I have a little bit of fruit, 1135 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,360 maybe I have some nuts in there. Just something to get a little 1136 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,720 bit of fuel for that training session. 1137 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,480 And so that's kind of the template that I use for a lot of 1138 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,480 people that I coach. And then that's also the same 1139 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,720 template that I use for myself. So most of the food is nutrient 1140 00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:47,120 dense whole food sources. I'm a big fan of Stan Eferdine's 1141 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,600 vertical diet and all those foods like a lot of red meat, a 1142 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,320 lot of white rice, different things like carrots, cranberry 1143 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,720 juice, spinach for different micronutrients. 1144 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,720 And then just making sure that my macros are structured in a 1145 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:05,640 way that kind of keeps some guard rails on not eating too 1146 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,080 much to where the bulk is going a little too fast, where I'm 1147 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,000 gaining too much body fat. Or if I'm leaning out, I'm still 1148 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,840 getting in plenty of calories to sustain the training that I need 1149 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,680 throughout the week. How much higher on calories did 1150 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,560 you go with your bulk and how much weight did you gain in that 1151 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,440 24 weeks span? So before, I typically would 1152 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,280 just do like the standard, like NSCA recommendation of like you 1153 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,960 need to be in a weekly caloric surplus of 3500 calories per 1154 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,800 week and all that stuff. And then I listen to Dan Garner. 1155 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,880 He's Sean O'malley's nutritionist. 1156 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,160 He's also a nutritionist for a lot of different hockey players 1157 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,080 and MMA fighters. And he had like the simplest 1158 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,320 calculation, which I thought was so genius. 1159 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,560 He said maintenance calories is probably your body weight times 1160 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,120 15. And then to be in a surplus, 1161 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,920 it's probably your body weight times 16. 1162 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,920 And to be in a deficit, it's probably your body weight times 1163 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,960 14. And so that's, that's what I 1164 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,520 did. So I just took my body weight 1165 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,280 times 15, ran that for to get my total caloric intake. 1166 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,080 And then once I had those total calories for the day, you know, 1167 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,600 took out my protein, which was 1g of protein per pound of body 1168 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,160 weight. Then plugged in my fat, which 1169 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,040 for me, I prefer to have a little bit lower fat, .3 to .4G 1170 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,960 of fat per pound of body weight and then just fill the rest with 1171 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,720 carbohydrates. So I ran that for maintenance 1172 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,280 and weighed myself every day for a couple weeks to make sure 1173 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,720 like, yeah, this is my weight hasn't really fluctuated that 1174 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,840 much. This is probably pretty close to 1175 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,720 maintenance. And then when I started the bulk 1176 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,160 I just took my body weight times 15, kept the same ratios as far 1177 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,800 as protein and fat goes, and just added more carbohydrates 1178 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,400 when I was going through a cutting phase or leading out. 1179 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,080 Do the exact same thing, keep fat and protein pretty much the 1180 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,480 same and then just decrease carbohydrates. 1181 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,240 I like it. I like it. 1182 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,840 So you said 5 * 15 for maintenance. 1183 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,680 I'm curious, what do you weigh? I weigh 177. 1184 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,920 OK, So we're pretty much the same thing. 1185 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,040 I'm at 180 right now. OK, let's get me at 2700 1186 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,680 calories maintenance and I'm typically, I mean I'm typically 1187 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,920 3000 to 3300 calories and holding pretty stable on weight. 1188 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,560 So pretty close ballpark there depending on everyone's activity 1189 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,200 level or so, but. Nice. 1190 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,960 Well, actually you were doing, you just did like a 4000 1191 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,760 calorie. Surplus, right? 1192 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,360 I did a high fats because everybody's been talking about 1193 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,800 the sugar diet. I don't know if you've seen any 1194 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,880 of that stuff on their side. Mark's been talking about it a 1195 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,040 lot. I had Mark on the podcast 1196 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,240 yesterday, actually. But yeah, I wanted to basically 1197 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,800 do that to mirror, from a metabolic pathway standpoint, 1198 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,400 the FGF 21 by way of minimizing protein consumption and 1199 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,120 replacing what everyone else is using sugars for with higher 1200 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,320 dietary fat. So I put myself at an 1201 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,200 additional, you know, 1000 calories roughly above baseline 1202 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,520 for that, and my weight held stable because I'm not trying to 1203 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,800 lose weight right now. So that was super interesting, 1204 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,200 but it was just a lot of fat, not very much protein, man. 1205 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,880 So I wouldn't recommend that as like a long term strategy by any 1206 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,840 means. But I'm always experimenting 1207 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,440 with something, playing around with metabolism in some form of 1208 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,600 fashion. It's interesting stuff. 1209 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,720 Yeah, I think, dude, I think the stuff that you're doing with 1210 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,680 what I've seen from your podcast and then the times you've been 1211 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,960 on Mark Bell's Power project is the stuff that you're doing with 1212 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,680 keto, I think is freaking sick. And I think a lot of times I 1213 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,080 heard Mark had this guy on the podcast, his name is Joel. 1214 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,760 Go shoot, I can't. I have Joel Veep or something. 1215 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:50,840 Anyway, he he said every diet works, but not every diet works 1216 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,760 forever. And he is take was like the 1217 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,280 people that are like super anti keto, super anti carnivore. 1218 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,640 It's like they're not looking at it within the right context of 1219 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,480 how in what context it can work. They're looking at it like, does 1220 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,760 that work forever? No. 1221 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,120 So we should never use it. It's like, well, that's probably 1222 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,520 not the best way to to look at it. 1223 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,520 Just like how some of those same people might be big proponents 1224 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,840 of if it fits your macros and people like, hey, I'll have it 1225 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,440 fit, fits my macros. I'll just get all my carbs from 1226 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,720 pop Tarts and all my, you know, just eat a beef jerky sticks and 1227 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,520 protein shakes. And I'm, I'm good to go. 1228 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,920 And that can work a little bit for something, but it's not 1229 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,320 going to work forever. And I think what's so cool about 1230 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,120 what you've been doing is that with all the experiments you've 1231 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,120 done and with your history, you've been following a 1232 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,520 ketogenic diet for like over a decade, right? 1233 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,360 Yeah, coming up on 11 years now. Man dude, that's that's freaking 1234 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,560 sick. It's been awesome to see your 1235 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,680 experiments and the results that have come from that. 1236 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,840 Like if someone were to take this lifestyle for a decade and 1237 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,000 be completely fat adapted, would you say you're completely fat 1238 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,200 adapted like 10 years? That's probably. 1239 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,440 Right. I don't know if you can get any 1240 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,680 more fat adapted. But it's, it's awesome to see 1241 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,360 and I think it's a it's just dope to see how the ketogenic 1242 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,760 diet can be implemented once it's used. 1243 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,400 Like it gets, it seems like it provides more and more benefits 1244 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,600 as time goes on and on and on. Some were just a crash diet with 1245 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,120 a keto diet for 12 weeks and then go back to what they were 1246 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,200 eating before. Like maybe it'd help them out 1247 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,760 but I don't know. I think, I mean, the body's very 1248 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,280 adaptable and like in my case, if people are doing strict keto 1249 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,240 long term, like your body builds up those metabolic pathways and 1250 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,040 it can perform at a high level with them. 1251 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,720 You just have to give yourself ample time to get adapted. 1252 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,720 But I think where people make the mistake, and this is true 1253 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,640 regardless of the diet they're following, is they spend, you 1254 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,680 know, too much time in the surplus or too much time in a 1255 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,280 deficit. And there's no such thing as 1256 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,320 maintenance. Like you're either getting 1257 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,080 better or worse. And one of the things that 1258 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,280 bodybuilding taught me, which sounds like same for you, is 1259 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,800 like there's so much metabolic benefit to having some time at a 1260 01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,440 surplus and some time at a deficit. 1261 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,000 And you can do that in the context of the same dietary 1262 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,160 protocol, but just like changing the amounts they're consuming. 1263 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,000 And from a metabolic standpoint, like that is where most people 1264 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,360 just totally miss the boat. Like whether you compete or not, 1265 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,080 there's benefit to being at a surplus for a strategic period 1266 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,080 of time and for being in a deficit in a strategic period of 1267 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,360 time. Nice. 1268 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,600 I agree. It's like it seems like as 1269 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,760 people jump on some of the diets that get a little bit more 1270 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,520 popular, and maybe if they're newer to nutrition or newer to 1271 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,600 health and fitness, they might think that they have to 1272 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,480 prescribe to it forever. It's like, hey, it's going to 1273 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,680 work until you need to make some changes. 1274 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,880 So get ready to make some changes once you know, having 1275 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,640 the only rib eyes for a year straight may kind of play itself 1276 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,320 out and may need to implement some new stuff or whatever the 1277 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,720 case may be. It's cool for me to see the 1278 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,440 different diets work in different use case scenarios. 1279 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,600 So I've got one client that's super competitive for jiu jitsu 1280 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,640 actually. He's a like #1 in the world for 1281 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,200 his age and weight class and he's, he just competed in a 1282 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,440 tournament in Singapore. His name's Jay Horley. 1283 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,520 He's a rock star, but he's a type 1 diabetic, so he's been 1284 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,400 doing keto so that he didn't have as much, you know, blood 1285 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,400 sugar dysregulation or insulin requirements going into a 1286 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,520 tournament. So they were just having more 1287 01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,600 consistent energy. So we've been tweaking things 1288 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,240 and like tracking all the data. He's got a CGM and it's cool 1289 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,800 because he's competing at like 84 kilogram weight cap and we've 1290 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,400 got him down below that slightly. 1291 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,960 But he's able to eat more food, not have any blood sugar 1292 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,760 dysregulation and not have to do those crazy weight loss cuts 1293 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,000 that you see wrestlers in high school doing with sauna suits 1294 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,120 and, you know, spitting in the can all day long. 1295 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,080 So it's healthier for him for sure. 1296 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,960 And it works, you know, So it's just, it's just cool to see that 1297 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,960 play out. That's incredible. 1298 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,960 Have you have you noticed if he's competing in Singapore? 1299 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:03,800 Assuming he did the the the Asian Open for IBGJF was at the 1300 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,480 comp he did. Yeah, he's got like, I don't 1301 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,520 know, the different competitions. 1302 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,160 That's his world and yours, not mine, but he's got several more. 1303 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,400 He's got a big tournament in August, he's got a couple in 1304 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,680 August, and then he's got a really big one like the main 1305 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,960 ones in. Let me see if I can look because 1306 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,360 you would know it for sure. The Big 1, I believe, is in 1307 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,120 November. Let's see here. 1308 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,680 All right, so August 8th and 23rd, September 5th, September 1309 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,560 7th, and then the big one is November 19th and 22nd. 1310 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:41,360 I'm not sure where that is. I guess that's like worlds or 1311 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,240 somewhere or another. So if he's competing, so the one 1312 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,200 you mentioned in August, the end of August, that might be Masters 1313 01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,440 Worlds, which is in Vegas. That's a huge tournament. 1314 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,720 And then I'm not sure about about the other ones. 1315 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,840 There's thankfully. What's cool about the Hawkeye 1316 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,080 stick effect with jiu jitsu is that if someone wanted to, they 1317 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,400 could compete every single weekend for the entire year. 1318 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,520 And like, there's competitions everywhere. 1319 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,640 Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. 1320 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,400 Now I'm excited, man. I'm excited to dive into it and 1321 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,840 I have so many friends that are doing it. 1322 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,080 You know, like Andrew's big into it. 1323 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,560 He introduced me to you and seem like everybody I know either 1324 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,680 know somebody or has done it themselves. 1325 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,160 And I feel like once I let the bug, like I've intentionally not 1326 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,240 gone because I know that I'm just going to be like hook, line 1327 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,880 and sinker in. And I don't want it to distract 1328 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,760 from bodybuilding. But once I get in it, man, it's 1329 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,840 going to be like, the gloves are off, so to speak, you know? 1330 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,160 Yeah, yeah. How, how much longer do you see 1331 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,320 yourself competing at the highest level in bodybuilding, 1332 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,200 Probably like be bodybuilding for the rest of your life. 1333 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,680 But as far as like competing, how long do you think that's 1334 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,040 going to be? Man, I want to keep keep rocking 1335 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,000 it, man. Like I just had a podcast last 1336 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,640 week with Lisa Lum, who is 3 times world champion. 1337 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,000 She just turned 62, you know? Oh my gosh. 1338 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,360 So like the the cool thing about natural bodybuilding is like, 1339 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,320 there's no reason you couldn't keep doing it as long as you're 1340 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,280 doing it healthy right way. And I feel like what I'm excited 1341 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,680 about in my realm of, you know, ketogenic nutrition is that 1342 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,600 there's not a lot of poster Childs for what this does long 1343 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,920 term. And you got people like Mark 1344 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,000 Sisson that's often times pointed to as the guy that's 1345 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,000 super healthy at an older age. But it's like nothing against 1346 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,760 Mark. But I mean, if I'm been 1347 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,320 bodybuilding since I was in high school, like I'm going to have a 1348 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,480 much more oppressive physique by the time I'm 72 years old, you 1349 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:29,680 know? So I just want to keep rocking 1350 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,520 it as long as I can. For sure. 1351 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,160 I hear you. That's awesome, man. 1352 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,520 That's freaking sick. Yeah, if you, if you started jiu 1353 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,440 jitsu and just like sprinkled it in outside of bodybuilding prep, 1354 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,240 like you're already so into with your body, I'd imagine very 1355 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,320 quickly you'd get a good hang of it and be able to auto regulate 1356 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,840 your training and be able to pretty seamlessly blend it all 1357 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,680 together. Yeah, I'll do it, man. 1358 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,880 I'll hit you up because I'm in Sacramento every once in a while 1359 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,720 too. It's like I was at Mark's gym 1360 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,360 and podcast and I guess a couple months back. 1361 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,600 So if you're right there in Sacramento, man, I'll hit you up 1362 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,120 next time in town. Absolutely. 1363 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,320 Thanks. Absolutely. 1364 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,560 That'd be great. Awesome brother, what people go 1365 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,960 to find out more about you man. You guys can find me at Joshua 1366 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,240 Settlage basically anywhere. You can check on my podcast, the 1367 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,840 Set the Strength podcast on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcast, 1368 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,439 all that stuff. And then if you do jujitsu and 1369 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,399 you wanna get started on enhancing your grab and 1370 01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,760 athleticism, I have a free training course that can help 1371 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,240 you out. Over the next 30 days, we'll 1372 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,600 take care of everything you need to kick start your graphing 1373 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,399 athleticism from strength training, nutrition, mobility, 1374 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,600 recovery, all that stuff. And that's at the Strength 1375 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,640 matrix.com. Awesome, I'll link that to that. 1376 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,319 You got a lot of cool stuff on your IG too. 1377 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:45,080 Like you do a really good job at showing what like landmine Rd. 1378 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,160 movements and how to apply that to grappling. 1379 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,760 Like it. It all works well together. 1380 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,200 So keep doing what you're doing there, man. 1381 01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:51,600 Thank you man. Appreciate that. 1382 01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:53,920 Pleasures always, Josh. Looking forward to keeping the 1383 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,680 conversation going, brother. Yes Sir. 1384 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,600 Catch you later. See you man, take care.