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Well hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Q savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest 
Brian Loftus on the line and we 

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dive deep into the wonderful 
world of survivor survivorship 

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and bushcraft. 
So he is a master when it comes 

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to learning how to be completely
self-sufficient in the elements 

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and what kind of equipments 1 
needs, what kind of you know, 

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food, water and shelter you need
to come by how to be 

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self-sufficient, How to thrive, 
not just survive but thrive. 

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Against the elements. 
So wanted to bring him on the 

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podcast and just dive into what 
got him interested in that. 

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What inspired him to start his 
own company selling quality gear

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he sells The keto brick is a 
survival style food because it's

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shelf stable. 
That's how we got connected. 

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Plus I just love outdoor and 
bushcrafting so I wanted to just

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pick his brain and kind of dive 
deeper into his area of 

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expertise. 
Third, enjoy the conversation 

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I've gotten. 
No doubt that you will as well. 

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So that further ado sit back, 
relax, enjoy the podcast with 

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Brian Loftus. 
And we are live, Brian. 

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How are you brother? 
I'm doing OK. 

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How about yourself, Robert? 
I'm good, man. 

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I'm good. 
So quick little intro here. 

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We got connected. 
I believe you initially were 

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talking to my wholesale manager.
And you own a survival 

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outfitting store and you're 
interested in carrying the 

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bricks. 
I'm not sure how y'all got 

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connected. 
I don't know if he outreached to

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you or how that all went down, 
but you got the bricks now in 

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your store. 
So I checked out your store and 

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you got all kinds of cool stuff.
And then somehow another we got 

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on a podcast together, cuz I 
like that kind of stuff as well.

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So I'm excited to be chatting 
with you today, man. 

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Well, it's an honor. 
It really is. 

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I mean you guys, your your 
products are fantastic. 

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I've had almost every flavor 
this point. 

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I'm working my way through them.
Yeah, One of you guys reached 

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out to me, just a regular 
customer message. 

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You know, we get dozens of them 
every day. 

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And I thought to myself, you 
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think I could really get on 
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You know, as survivalists, we're
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simple that's high in fat and 
high in calorie or something 

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that's that's going to hold you 
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satiety when you're looking at 
putting stuff in your pack and 

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you really have to whittle down 
what you're going to be carrying

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with you on a daily basis. 
And you know, the Keto Brooks, 

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they fit the bill all the way 
around. 11 Man, that's the kind 

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of news I like to hear. 
What gets you into the wonderful

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world of, you know, obtaining 
survival skills in the 1st 

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place? 
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Like, where'd that interest come
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You know, I get, I get the 
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And I was in the electrical 
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number of years now, was out the
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inside, did estimating that was 
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Construction projects and 
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And being stuck in an office, 
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walled room, a fluorescent 
lighting, no windows, listening 

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to some old guys AM radio from 
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And it got to the point where 
I'm waking up in the morning and

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looking at my sidearm and night 
stand and thinking, you know, I 

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bet if I put around to my 
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into that office for at least a 
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And it was kind of like, hey, 
now it's time for a change of 

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scenery. 
It's it's time for change of 

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pace. 
And I was kind of hanging out 

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watching TV1 night watching 
documentary and they featured a 

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survival school in this hour 
long documentary and they were 

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showing some of the training 
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I thought, hey, that's pretty 
neat, let me check it out. 

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I didn't do a whole lot of 
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think my parents took us once, 
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time in the outdoors, but I've 
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So I went out and I tried a 
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course. 
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And I was permitted to use some 
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and a sleeping bag and a Jetboil
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I completely fell in love with 
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And I went back a few months 
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spent 40 days and 40 nights out 
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No tents, no sleeping bags. 
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shelters, You're sleeping in 
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You know, rain or shine didn't 
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absolutely loved it. 
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For the equipment side of 
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I've been doing for a number of 
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survival gear BSO, our website 
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My idea was to create a website 
where not just instructors could

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go to get some quality products 
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also students and the average 
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So my ability now to you know 
how businesses as you know they 

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morph. 
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figuring out what works and what
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enjoy doing is working with a 
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across the board, schools, 
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I mean, we've had almost 
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know, whether it's the Coast 
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you know, everybody, retired 
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military in a lot of Leo. 
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enthusiast, you know, your 
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you get the shows like Alone and
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a great big interest with these 
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industry in the last dozen years
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And I wanted my store to be one 
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out there. 
I put my name behind quality 

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products, quality gear that has 
been tried and tested out in the

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field by. 
Actual instructors for years on 

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end, and that's what I try to 
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I love it, man. 
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that industry, there is a 
massive need for people that 

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kind of disseminate between the 
quality gear and the the 

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gimmicky step. 
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reality TV shows that we've seen
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there has been just massive 
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manufactured overseas with 
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Just coming into the market and 
people that don't know the 

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difference between like a 
quality knife and a non quality 

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knife, like if you get out in 
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quality knife it's not gonna 
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Absolutely, you're 100% right. 
And without throwing any labels 

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or any brands under the bus here
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We would get some students who 
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you know, let's, let's see your 
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You know, let's check out your 
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Let's see if you're going to 
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three day course or a 40 day 
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And some people come out with, 
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some products from some 
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money into into marketing And 
because they pour their money 

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into marketing, everybody thinks
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And that's not necessarily the 
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A lot of people who show up with
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but the quality is just not 
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brands, you don't see these 
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just don't anymore. 
So you know information is 

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everything, information is or 
knowledge is power. 

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you're getting it from overseas.
The Scandinavian area, that's a 

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really big quality area for 
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Anything that comes out of 
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it's top notch and we try to 
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Of course, price points vary. 
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by the model, buy once, cry 
once, hey, you know you're going

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to buy something as it costs a 
little bit more and you might 

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cry over that price. 
You're going to cry one time 

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because you bought quality. 
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quality, if you buy junk, you're
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you're going to have to buy it 
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you, right? 
Learn. 

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And I learned the hard way 
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I probably have five, six, $7000
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in my attic collecting dust 
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the equipment a number of years 
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and what's not. 
So anything on your side as 

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you've kind of vouched for is 
going to be the higher in the 

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creme de la creme type quality 
that people don't have to wonder

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about? 
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now, what are some like if if 
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they're going to get a basic set
up, like what are some brands 

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that you would recommend and as 
having some degree of confidence

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by them? 
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your number one tool is always 
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If you ask you know any 
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bushcrafter out there, you know 
what is the one item you would 

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take into the woods, whether 
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a knife, a sleeping bag, a tent.
Almost every one of them, 99% of

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them, are going to choose a 
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So you got a a wide variety of 
knives out there every time Dick

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and Harry now is making a knife.
And you know again going back to

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the reality TV shows, you see 
forged and fire and that's done 

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a lot for the for the 
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And then the blade enthusiasts 
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knife, they're out of Sweden. 
They've been around for quite 

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some time and they make some 
very, very high quality Bush 

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graft and survival knives right 
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Company called S EE, S EE. 
I mean, their knives are bomb 

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proof. 
That's a very common term. 

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They're just thrown around in 
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You know, something that's 
really tough, it's going to 

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withstand the test of time. 
I've seen videos of guys 

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sticking these knives in a vice 
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end and they're standing on the 
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And the blade is expanding. 
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I would say more knife is 
probably #1 as far as well known

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quality and reputation in the 
industry SE knives definitely 

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out there. 
Tops knives, tops knives are are

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are really great and for a very 
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utensil I would say Condor. 
Condor makes some really good, 

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really good products and the 
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If you're looking to not break 
the bank and you know, you know,

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be shocked at your monthly 
credit card bill, Condor is. 

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It's a definitely a quality 
company. 

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Great reputation on them. 
I actually happen to know one of

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their knife designers 
personally. 

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Wow, the guy does top notch 
stuff. 

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He flies all over the world 
teaching people. 

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He takes people into the jungles
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He makes a trip. 
Peru, El Salvador. 

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He makes that trip a couple of 
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Really, really great guy. 
And I know he wouldn't put his 

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name behind crap and his name is
actually on many, many of the 

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many of the blaze, many of the 
knives, many of the machetes out

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there. 
Nice. 

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Nice. 
Yeah, this, I mean, all those 

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are brands that most people that
are not in this would probably 

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not even recognize that people 
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know, Kershaw or something like 
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They're expecting you walk out 
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the Swiss Army knife or 
something, you know, that's just

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not the case. 
No, no, definitely Kershaw or 

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Gerber. 
You know, that's, you know, 

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they've reality again, reality 
TV shows and that's Bear Grylls.

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You know, that's his brand. 
They've done some really great 

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marketing. 
Totally. 

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When it comes to knives, we just
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knives here for a bit longer. 
If you're only having one knife 

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to take out there, what size 
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Are you taking like a like a six
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go to for one one stop shop with
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Fixed blade, absolutely fixed 
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I would not go any less than 4 
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It's not so much the size of the
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knife, so basically the angle of
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And I am a a really big fan of 
the Scandi grind. 

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It's short for Scandinavian 
grind. 

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It's a great, it's great angle 
on the blade to do smaller tasks

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like carving. 
You know, you can have a very 

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large blade 6-7 inches long, 
which is a pretty big one. 

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No, I'm not talking about 
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about the length of the blade. 
And that's great for processing 

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firewood, you know, things like 
that. 

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Hey, you know, it's it's a 
beater. 

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You're going to use that thing 
to to split up some firewood and

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to build yourself a shelter, 
should you need to. 

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But if you're getting into Bush 
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primitive traps In order to have
some level of food procurement, 

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some sustainable level of food 
procurements, you need to be 

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able to make a a Bojo set, and 
that that entails some smaller, 

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more intricate work. 
You know some better cutting 

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power, and that's the 
Scandinavian grind. 

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And that's what I would go with 
no less than 4 inches. 

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I try to get around 5:00 to 5:00
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scanny grind blade. 
Nice, right? 

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Good to know for sure. 
And you said that you were not 

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really camping much as a kid. 
You love you outdoors like when 

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you took this first class, like 
you total greenhorn out there or

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like did you have some some St. 
sense, so to speak and we're 

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able to pick things up pretty 
quickly. 

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You know, I think a lot of it. 
In my case, I think a lot of 

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people kind of fall a suit with 
myself now, I grew up in the 

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suburbs. 
I actually went to high school 

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in the city and you got a lot of
people have interest and a lot 

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of these get interest in the in 
the outdoors or something 

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outdoorish. 
And a lot of these social media 

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platforms now, it focuses, 
focuses around the tactical 

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aspect of things. 
Tactical is great. 

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Everybody loves tactical stuff, 
looks cool. 

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There's tactical and there's 
tactical as far as use. 

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I definitely had to do my 
research before I went out 

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there, so I knew to get some 
quality blades. 

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I made sure I was reading 
forums. 

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I made sure I was watching 
videos from quality name 

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survivalists out there and 
survival companies. 

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So I made sure that I did have 
the proper equipment before I 

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went out there. 
That was one thing I was smart 

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with. 
As far as being green there and 

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wet behind the ears, absolutely 
100%. 

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I was brand new into the Bush 
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techniques, and I really had no 
idea what I was doing, which is 

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why I was just soaking out from 
the start and I completely fell 

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in love with it. 
I just wanted to know more and 

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more and more and more and it's 
like, hey, you know, how quickly

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can I get into this? 
How how deep can I immerse 

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myself in this? 
And hey, I did 5 days. 

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I loved it. 
Let's just let's just go. 

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Head first into this and let's 
spend 40 days out there with no 

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tent in their sleeping bag and 
see what happens. 

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I love it, man. 
This is this is cool because 

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most people don't realize this. 
But before I got into 

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bodybuilding and fitness 
nutrition, my first, like, 

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serious passion in life was 
Native American history. 

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And I've always kind of grown up
hunting, so like I was reading 

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all this primitive Bush crafting
from. 

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Various different authors like 
Ernest Thompson, Seton way back 

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in the day and I would go out in
the woods because we grew up on 

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land and I'd be like making 
wigwams and all my own cooking 

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utensils and like all that 
stuff. 

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Like I just loved it, man. 
So having, you know, talking to 

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somebody like this on the 
podcast is, is is getting me 

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fired up. 
Well, you know I it's great 

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because you know I didn't grow 
up. 

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As I said I didn't grow up with 
a lot of that stuff and the fact

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that you did my, you know, my 
father was never hunting 

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Typically you'll. 
Father, as far as the outdoor 

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activities and my father, you 
know, God bless him, he very, 

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very successful man. 
Started some sort of a few 

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companies of his own but didn't 
have a whole lot of time to to 

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spend outside. 
I think my first camping trip 

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ever with my sisters, my twin 
sister and she and I was our 

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birthday and we have a sisters 
two years younger than we are. 

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And we went, went out for a 
camping trip with my parents. 

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We were probably about 8:00. 
And my mother forgot the tent 

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poles and my father threw his. 
That was the 1st and the last 

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time we went camping, these 
kids. 

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So I was learning this stuff. 
You know, I was winging it. 

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It was tough. 
So I really had no hunting 

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experience. 
I had very, very little camping 

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experience. 
And a girl I dated, you know my 

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mid 20s, we did a lot of 
camping, but that was really 

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about it. 
So but it's interesting, you 

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know that you have gone from. 
You know, growing up hunting and

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and learning the Native American
way of Native Americans, I mean 

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those guys had it down. 
Those guys had it down. 

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They knew exactly what they were
doing. 

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And then you get into the 
fitness industry and I was 

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almost like the other way 
around. 

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I did the fitness stuff and then
I started getting into into the 

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survival stuff. 
But we sell a lot of, a lot of 

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books in our store that revolve 
around some of our top sellers 

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revolve around Native Americans 
and primitive skills. 

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They knew and they lasted. 
For as long as they did, you 

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know, sustainable lifestyle, as 
long as they did because they 

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had the skills. 
Yeah, 100%, man. 

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I eat this stuff up. 
So like for for, I think it's 

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super impressive that you and 
other people have talked with 

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that, have gotten gotten into 
hunting and camping and fishing 

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and whatnot without having that 
as an upbringing, not having 

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that father figure that did that
kind of stuff. 

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Like for me, I feel very 
fortunate to have that. 

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You know, we had a bunch of land
that we were growing up on, so 

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just kind of came by default, 
But for somebody to acquire 

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those skills just because they 
want to learn those skills is 

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more impressive in my opinion. 
So hats off to you there for 

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doing it. 
Oh, thank you. 

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I appreciate that. 
Yeah, it's tough, you know, when

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you walk into a course and 
there's, you know, 30 some 

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people in this course who are 
there to. 

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To do the the 40 days with you. 
And then I'll say, yeah, I 

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trained at this school. 
I trained at this school where 

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I've been hung my entire life 
and I'm thinking I am done. 

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I am going to come in dead last 
in this class. 

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So the best way to do it, as 
with anything is hands on 

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experience. 
Jump in, get your hands dirty. 

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Learn from your mistakes. 
And I had some right instructors

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over the years so it's not like 
I had to be retrained. 

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And a lot of people, they learn 
the wrong way. 

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They come out with the poor 
products, as we were speaking 

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about a few minutes ago. 
Yeah. 

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And they suffer. 
They, they, they learn from 

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suffering. 
There was learning from 

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suffering and there there's 
learning from doing. 

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I prefer to learn from from 
doing. 

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You know you're going to fall 
down, that's for short. 

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You're going to fall down 
frequently, but you got to be 

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able to get back up and keep 
forging ahead. 100% man. 

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So when people come out there to
to go through a class and 

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they're pretty new at this, like
where? 

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Where do you find? 
Like there's some common 

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denominators, like what did most
people tend to have the most 

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trouble with in the beginning? 
The most trouble, honestly, with

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pretty much everyone. 
It's a it's a very tough skill 

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to get down from Most people I 
know it was for myself, is 

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primitive fire, friction fire. 
So I'm talking no big lighters, 

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even ferro rods. 
Are you familiar with what a 

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ferro rod is, Robert? 
Like the magnesium runs. 

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Yeah, so there's magnesium and 
then there's Sparrow, Barrow, 

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Rod Ferroceum. 
It's a more common, more favored

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method for for fire striker. 
And yeah, there was a season of,

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I want to say it was season six 
or season, season seven of 

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alone. 
And if for the listeners out 

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there, if you're not familiar 
with the show alone, it is the 

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Olympics of survival. 
Go check it out. 

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I know some people personally 
have been on the show. 

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Some really, really great 
survivalists. 

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But there was a guy on there, 
one of the contestants, and I 

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believe he was picked to win and
he lost his Farrah rod. 

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You know, something happened 
where it became detached from 

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his belt and he lost the Farrah 
rod and the conditions out there

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because you're out there for 
months at a time. 

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And yeah, could he make a bow 
drill kit, you know, for 

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friction fire? 
He could. 

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But he's, he's gonna have to 
start a friction fire every 

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single day. 
And when you're out there in the

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coal and the elements and you 
get a lot of the moisture that 

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you know, seeps into the wood 
and then you really have some 

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problems with the friction fire.
So friction fire is something 

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that you usually spend a solid 
day on learning the basics, you 

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know, learning from the ground 
up. 

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And then you learn different 
methods. 

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Typically it's that bodro fire 
that's the first method and 

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that's tough. 
It's, it's backbreaking. 

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Yeah, it's. 
The positions you have to get 

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yourself into, I mean literally 
it's it is a pain in your back. 

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You know you have to spend a lot
of time on on one knee and bent 

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over and it's it's a very 
acquired skill. 

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It's brought that acquired 
skill. 

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It takes time and it takes a lot
of patience. 

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That's the toughest thing for 
most people is friction fire. 

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When it comes to fire in 
general, man, like like we've 

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got a family forum on Southwest 
Arkansas. 

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And you know, we go down there 
for hunting camps and 

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Thanksgivings and whatnot, and 
it will always build a fire 

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because everybody loves a good 
fire. 

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But I'll like, let people try to
build the fires. 

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And without fail, they 
oftentimes fail. 

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And it's just simply because 
they rushed the process like 

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good fire building. 
Like you just simply have to 

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take the time at the onset 
before you ever even try to 

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start the fire and just get the 
right tender, the right fuel and

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have all that at the ready 
before you ever even bend over. 

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To get a flame going. 
Otherwise you're going to be 

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putting, you know, just the 
wrong stuff on there. 

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You're going to be cussing for 
too long. 

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Absolutely. 
You have that down 100%. 

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You got a lot of people say I'll
start this fire. 

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Well, hey, you get a flame 
going. 

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And I was like, oh, I need 
something to put on the fire. 

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Guess what? 
By the time you want to get 

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those materials that quote, UN 
quote fuel for the fire and you 

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come back, your flames gone, 
it's gone. 

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You got to prepare you, you 
know, you got to get yourself. 

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Three or four different 
thicknesses of of you know, of 

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fuel sources to begin with, some
very small stuff and you know 

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and smalls you know everything 
from you know the thickness just

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to start off with the thickness 
of your thumb to the thickness 

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of your of your pinky finger and
then a half size of your pinky 

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finger as far as circumference 
and then 1/4 of the size and you

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still have to start with some 
sort of tincture like or I'm 

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sorry, tender like a like a 
bird's nest. 

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You know literally how a bird's 
nest would look, where you're 

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going to be scraping, you know, 
use the butt end. 

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If you have what we nickname a 
Tinder teaser or basically a 

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claw on the butt end of your 
fixed blade knife, you can use 

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that to get some fine shavings 
from underneath the bark of a 

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tree. 
Peel some of that bark off and 

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get down low. 
It's very fibrous, You know, if 

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you if you have some dry land 
around there and you know you've

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got some dry leaves or some or 
some dry grass. 

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You know, that's primarily what 
you're going to use and that's, 

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that's what you're going to 
start that with. 

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And then hey, you better have 
those sticks or different size 

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smalls nearby. 
Because once you get that flame,

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you're going to be able to 
sustain that flame for as long 

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as you can until you have a 
sustainable fire that you can 

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walk away from for an hour in 
order to replenish your fuel 

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source, fuel sources. 
And yeah, you're 100% right, you

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have to have all that stuff down
in front of you before you even 

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get down on your knee to say, 
hey, I'm ready to go. 

449
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:48,390
Be prepared. 
Definitely, definitely. 

450
00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,790
So like I love this kind of 
stuff. 

451
00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:52,310
You live this kind of stuff. 
Like we talk about this all day 

452
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:55,590
long, but for somebody listening
that has not any interest 

453
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:58,870
whatsoever in bushcraft. 
Like what? 

454
00:22:58,870 --> 00:23:01,910
Where do you, where do you like?
For me, I like to feel 

455
00:23:01,910 --> 00:23:03,870
self-sufficient. 
I like to be able to know that, 

456
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:06,270
you know, somebody can take 
everything from me and I can 

457
00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:08,750
still make it like that. 
That's important to me. 

458
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:12,190
And a lot of people I would 
imagine are like becoming. 

459
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:15,590
I think Doomsday Preppers as a 
concept has gotten much more 

460
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:18,550
popular in recent years with all
the political mayhem and just 

461
00:23:18,550 --> 00:23:20,990
where people think about things 
like there seems to be a growing

462
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:25,430
demographic of those types. 
Are you seeing that grow on your

463
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:27,190
side of things as well? 
Like people are just more 

464
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:29,870
interested in being 
self-sufficient in case shit 

465
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:34,190
hits the fan? 
Absolutely 100% and the big 

466
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:36,750
driving force behind that now 
doomsday preppers. 

467
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,770
I wish they would really pick 
that show up. 

468
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:41,690
There's been some rumors that 
they're going to start that show

469
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:43,090
up again. 
That was one of my favorite 

470
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:45,810
shows. 
But the big catalyst there 

471
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,810
honestly was COVID. 
You know, that was a little 

472
00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:53,490
taste of how bad it can start 
off. 

473
00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:58,970
And I remember, you know, my 
girlfriend coming home and I 

474
00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:03,330
guess is, you know, 2020 and I'm
sitting there in the morning and

475
00:24:03,330 --> 00:24:05,450
drinking coffee. 
She hit the gym early and she 

476
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:09,190
comes flying in the door. 
And she said, Oh my God, Brian, 

477
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:11,030
she's not someone to get fired 
up and excited. 

478
00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:14,470
She came in and she's, Oh my 
God, Brian, the grocery stores, 

479
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:18,030
they're they're a madhouse. 
It's just totally packed. 

480
00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:20,510
People are running, they're 
shoving one another. 

481
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:23,230
There's no chicken, there's no 
beef, there's no bottled waters,

482
00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:25,030
no toilet papers, no paper 
towels. 

483
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:27,270
The canned foods are almost 
totally exhausted. 

484
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:30,950
And it was just nuts. 
And she said, I know, you know 

485
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:32,310
this stuff. 
What do we need to get? 

486
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:35,160
What do we need to get? 
And I, you know, I have been 

487
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600
waiting for this day for, I 
don't know, 15 years. 

488
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,760
I I just sat back and grinned 
and sit in my coffee and I said 

489
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,120
let's go out and and get some 
booze. 

490
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,400
We pretty much have everything 
else. 

491
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,200
So we're just going to have a 
good time while everybody else 

492
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,600
panics. 
And she said what? 

493
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,040
And I said, you know, we've got 
enough food here to last our 

494
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,440
ourselves, long term storage 
food to last ourselves. 

495
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,600
Between the you and I a couple 
of years, you know, we can 

496
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480
purify water. 
You know, we have fire sources. 

497
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,240
We have a roof over our head. 
It's a big thing, roof over our 

498
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,360
head. 
We have sustainability 

499
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840
resources. 
We even have two portable 

500
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:17,360
toilets and we have everything. 
And she said, well, what about 

501
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:18,320
this? 
And what about this? 

502
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000
And what about that? 
We have enough toothpaste to 

503
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520
last a year. 
We have enough deodorant to last

504
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,640
half. 
You know, we pretty much had 

505
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,800
everything because I, you know, 
I am very much of the same 

506
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840
mindset as yourself. 
Where I want to be able to be 

507
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,840
self-sufficient. 
Now having having the products, 

508
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,680
having the gear, that's one 
thing. 

509
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,240
But hey, what happens when you 
run out of that stuff? 

510
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,960
You know you still need to have 
that skill set like you had. 

511
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,120
You were born and raised with 
the skill set of of putting meat

512
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,600
on the table with hunting. 
That is a skill set that a lot 

513
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,040
of people out there don't have 
that I never grew up with. 

514
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,080
I had to learn as I was as I got
a bit older. 

515
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600
So being able to put meat on the
table, that separates the mental

516
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,870
boys. 
But you better have some sort of

517
00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:04,750
skill set for one year. 
Your supplies went out. 

518
00:26:05,150 --> 00:26:10,630
Yeah, I was thinking I. 
Was thinking it's like, man, if 

519
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:13,630
she hits the fan here, like I've
got like we got all the bricks, 

520
00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:16,510
like we got, you know, 10,000 
bricks on hand at all times, 

521
00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:19,830
1000 calories each. 
I got the ability to hunt at my 

522
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:22,950
family farm whenever I need to. 
So I felt pretty, pretty good 

523
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:25,590
too going into this, like, you 
know, if worst thing happens, I 

524
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:29,060
feel like we'll totally be fine.
And you know what, you're in a 

525
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:32,940
great area really being there in
Southwest Arkansas. 

526
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:36,500
You know, I actually my training
was, I'm not sure if you're 

527
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,100
familiar with Huntington, 
Arkansas. 

528
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,980
It's on the other. 
Yeah, you've heard it's only 

529
00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:42,420
about an hour and a half from 
you I think. 

530
00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:45,300
And that's originally where I 
was trained was in Huntington. 

531
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:50,180
The school no longer exists 
there, but there is a really 

532
00:26:50,180 --> 00:26:54,740
great school just a little bit 
north of you in Rogers, AR and 

533
00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:57,020
the. 
I just called the American 

534
00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:58,820
Survival Company. 
Have you ever heard of them? 

535
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,420
I haven't, but I'm gonna Google 
them right now so that I can 

536
00:27:01,420 --> 00:27:03,300
save it for later. 
American Survival Company. 

537
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:05,140
American Survival Company I 
thought, what? 

538
00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:06,940
Do yourself a favor. 
If you're looking for something 

539
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:10,180
good to watch on TV, it's a 
binger. 

540
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,420
On Netflix, there's a show 
called Snowflake Mountain. 

541
00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:19,250
And came out about a year ago. 
Without getting too far into it,

542
00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:24,410
the the owners of of the 
American survival company is 

543
00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:27,570
Matt Tate and Joel Graves and 
they are the Co hosts of this 

544
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:32,770
reality TV show on Netflix and 
basically teach survival skills,

545
00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:35,370
self you know self 
responsibility and things like 

546
00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:36,650
that. 
It's a little bit of a different

547
00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:38,810
twist on survival if they're if 
you're thinking of yourself, oh 

548
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:41,890
it's hardcore survival, I'm not 
interested you're thinking down 

549
00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:45,120
the down the wrong Ave. 
Go watch the trailer on YouTube 

550
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,040
for Snowflake Mountain. 
It's absolutely it's absolutely 

551
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,800
eye raising our eyebrow raising 
ratter. 

552
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,240
But yeah the the main school was
right there in Rogers. 

553
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,640
Rockets are run by Matt Tate but
phenomenal instructor, 

554
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,920
phenomenal school, great guy all
the way around. 

555
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Awesome. 
And yeah, I mean, so my farm is 

556
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,800
in Southwest Arkansas. 
We're located in Northwest 

557
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,920
Arkansas. 
So Rogers is like 30-40 minutes 

558
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,600
from me. 
Oh yeah, that's that's great. 

559
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:14,460
Yeah, you're you're you're very 
close to him and he's worth 

560
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,140
reaching out to and just. 
Yeah, yeah, for sure on. 

561
00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:21,780
The weekend course. 
So when it comes to survival, 

562
00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:24,620
being self-sufficient, having 
the bare necessities they know 

563
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,220
everybody's mind automatically 
goes to food, water, shelter. 

564
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:30,780
So like when you are thinking in
those terms, like how do you 

565
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:33,620
kind of organize your thought 
process, like what does that 

566
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:36,380
look like for you and how would 
it be applicable to somebody 

567
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:39,140
that's listen to this and 
needing to go through a similar 

568
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:43,640
mental road map. 
Well, you know, I learned a lot 

569
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,880
of this in in my training. 
And again, setting all things 

570
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,440
aside as far as where your 
demographic might be, you know, 

571
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,600
or geographically you're, you're
located, what kind of gear you 

572
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,280
have, what, what kind of skills 
you have, you always do. 

573
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,720
The primary is your environment.
Your environment will kill you 

574
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,920
faster than anything else. 
So shelter is always #1. 

575
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:14,500
Water is number 2 and food is #3
and they kind of refer back to 

576
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:17,740
the the rule of three three 
minutes. 

577
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:21,660
You can roughly, you can survive
3 minutes without air, 3 days 

578
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,700
without water, and three weeks 
without food. 

579
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:28,900
Now where they clean water the 
shelter, you've got to have 

580
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,580
something you know it's good 
just ties into the. 

581
00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:36,150
The big keyword here or the the 
buzz term bug out, where 

582
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:37,950
everybody needs a bug out that 
I'm going to bug out. 

583
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,470
Why would you bug out? 
You need to bug in, you know, 

584
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:44,550
why would you leave your your 
walls of your home and a roof 

585
00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:46,470
over your head? 
You have protection or you have 

586
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:48,470
protection from the elements. 
Stay where you are. 

587
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:52,910
So once you have something to 
protect you from the wind, from 

588
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:55,470
the rain, from the cold 
temperatures, from the extreme 

589
00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:59,990
heat, you need to have a way to 
purify your water. 

590
00:30:00,970 --> 00:30:02,770
And if you don't, you're going 
to be in trouble. 

591
00:30:02,770 --> 00:30:07,930
Because let me tell you, I've 
gotten Giardia before doing some

592
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:13,890
training, and it's wicked. 
And it's basically a parasite in

593
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:18,370
your stomach that you get from 
drinking unclean water, in a 

594
00:30:18,370 --> 00:30:23,330
water that's been contaminated 
with animal fecal matter and 

595
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:24,890
things like that. 
And sometimes when you're out in

596
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:28,590
the wilderness. 
You're stuck and you don't have 

597
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:31,950
a choice after maybe two days, 2
1/2 days where you don't have 

598
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:33,350
water and you're forced to risk 
it. 

599
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:36,310
You see a lot of that on that 
show naked and afraid to be 

600
00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:39,070
purified water. 
A lot of times just going back 

601
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:43,310
to having that that friction 
fire skill you know of making 

602
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:45,550
fire. 
Because in order to purify water

603
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:49,950
it's a heck of a lot easier if 
you can boil it and you got to 

604
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:52,150
have heat source in order to 
boil the water. 

605
00:30:52,510 --> 00:30:55,110
So I would say shelter is #1, 
shelter is always #1. 

606
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,520
Once you have that shelter, get 
yourself some clean water. 

607
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Figure out a method to get 
yourself some clean water and 

608
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,080
there are numerous methods out 
there. 

609
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,480
Then it comes to food. 
Food is is not an easy thing to 

610
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400
come by in the wilderness. 
Depending on where you are. 

611
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,040
Now, where you're located 
Robert, you've got you've got a 

612
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,920
great pool of of wilderness out 
there and the critters, it might

613
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,320
be out. 
I mean, I spent a lot of time in

614
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480
the Ozarks and some watchetop 
mountain range. 

615
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:29,070
And you know you're going to, 
you're going to go towards 

616
00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:31,550
protein source. 
You know it's going to be a a 

617
00:31:31,550 --> 00:31:35,110
higher fat higher protein. 
You're not finding, you know 

618
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:37,710
potatoes in the for the most 
part, unless you're growing 

619
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:41,070
them, you're not going to find 
them in the woods, carbohydrate 

620
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:42,830
sources. 
Unless your body goes to, you 

621
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:46,030
know as a guy in the fitness 
industry, especially running 

622
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:49,870
your products, you know creating
your products, you know that the

623
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:52,630
most efficient fuel source out 
there is the carbohydrates. 

624
00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:55,630
So your body's going to want to 
tap into those first, but you 

625
00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:59,230
don't have the luxury of having 
carbohydrate rich sources out of

626
00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:01,230
the wilderness. 
So you've got to go for the 

627
00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:03,750
animal proteins or you're doing 
foraging and when you're 

628
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:07,030
foraging, you're eating a lot of
those greens, you know, you know

629
00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:11,190
some some wild onions, things 
like that. 

630
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:14,110
So things are very low in carb 
and low in calorie. 

631
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:17,550
You got to be able to get that 
medium on the table and that's 

632
00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:19,490
what. 
And food comes last, and you can

633
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:20,970
last a couple of weeks without 
food. 

634
00:32:21,050 --> 00:32:22,770
Sometimes. 
In extreme cases you can last 

635
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:24,770
for all over a month. 
It's not going to be a very 

636
00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:26,170
enjoyable experience, but you 
can do it. 

637
00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:31,170
When it comes to like you say, 
staying in kind of holding up, 

638
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:34,050
staying in making your own 
environment and the shelter just

639
00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:37,170
more resilient, I think it makes
a ton of sense, which is kind of

640
00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:39,650
why we've been in a lot like 
homesteading that I love 

641
00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:41,570
homesteading plus it kind of 
just plays in the whole 

642
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:44,130
self-sufficient aspect like 
we're getting chickens, we're 

643
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:46,130
growing a garden, like we're 
doing stuff at our own home 

644
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,110
because it just. 
Again makes it feel more 

645
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:51,550
self-sufficient. 
What do you do at your home for 

646
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:53,510
for water purification? 
You have like a rainwater 

647
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:55,510
collection system like how do 
you do that? 

648
00:32:57,310 --> 00:33:00,470
Well, my home right now, we're 
actually looking at moving a 

649
00:33:00,470 --> 00:33:03,710
little further out into a rural 
area and we would have a 

650
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:08,190
rainwater collection system for 
for what I had. 

651
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:11,510
Now especially, you know, I'm in
a unique position here because I

652
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:15,190
have access to the greatest gear
in the world. 

653
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:18,670
And the greatest water 
purification systems in the 

654
00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:22,190
world, now, the best water 
purification system on the 

655
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:25,830
planet is made by NASA. 
But unless you know somebody at 

656
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:28,230
NASA or you're an astronaut, 
you're not getting your hands on

657
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:31,670
one of those. 
So we sell, we sell something. 

658
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:35,870
We we partnered with this 
company called Grail GRAYL, and 

659
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:39,830
they sell probably the number 2 
water purification system on the

660
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:43,150
planet. 
Do you think about, you know, 

661
00:33:43,150 --> 00:33:46,670
tropical storms? 
Tidal waves, things like that, 

662
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:50,710
where hurricanes, where the 
water sources have become 

663
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:53,830
compromised, they've they've all
become compromised. 

664
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:58,150
Or with pollutants or viruses 
and bacteria, now you get a lot 

665
00:33:58,150 --> 00:34:00,390
of people go down there and you 
see these, you see it on the 

666
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:02,150
news all the time. 
These trucks or airplanes are 

667
00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:04,310
showing up with pallets for a 
bottle of water. 

668
00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:06,850
And they get these people, 
whether they're volunteers or 

669
00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:09,170
they're paid, and they're 
sending these people in there to

670
00:34:09,170 --> 00:34:10,250
help. 
And they don't want these people

671
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:13,409
to eat up those resources that 
they're sending aid in there and

672
00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:16,050
relief for. 
So they outfit them with one of 

673
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:20,130
these grill purifiers. 
The Geo press is 24 ounces. 

674
00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:25,010
It takes about 8 seconds to 
purify, 24 ounces of water. 

675
00:34:25,170 --> 00:34:25,850
Boom. 
It's right. 

676
00:34:25,850 --> 00:34:28,290
There you go. 
Very fast, very efficient, very 

677
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:32,429
lightweight, very, very durable.
So I have access to that. 

678
00:34:32,429 --> 00:34:36,949
I even do that since we had this
situation several months ago in 

679
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:40,350
East Palestine. 
OH, I don't know if you watched 

680
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:44,110
that on the news. 
I was with the freight train 

681
00:34:44,630 --> 00:34:46,510
that went through and this 
chemicals bill. 

682
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:49,590
Exactly. 
And that's less than an hour 

683
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:53,780
from us and. 
I purify all my water in the 

684
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:57,260
house with either a Berkey 
filter or a Grail. 

685
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:59,820
When I take my dogs out for a 
walk, I've got one of those 

686
00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:02,780
grail purifiers on me. 
I won't even let them drink the 

687
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:04,300
rain water around there out of 
the Creek. 

688
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:08,380
I will purify water for them 
just so I know that we're on the

689
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:09,740
up and up and we're on the safe 
end. 

690
00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:14,730
Now for some property, you know,
the rural area, yeah, definitely

691
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:16,770
rainwater collection system. 
I mean you can get these massive

692
00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:20,450
tanks around 920 gallons and you
know you have them on the side 

693
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:22,410
of your home. 
You tie in your your gutter 

694
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:24,610
system with some sort of filters
or strainers in there. 

695
00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:27,690
You clean them out a couple 
times a year and you've got 

696
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:31,410
yourself a great resource for a 
large quantities of water in a 

697
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:34,370
short notice situation. 
Yeah, water. 

698
00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:37,690
Water is key, man. 
I was elk hunting in Washington 

699
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:40,740
a few years back. 
And we ran out of water pretty 

700
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:41,900
quick. 
Like we were out there longer 

701
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:44,100
than we expected to be. 
We ran out of water, didn't 

702
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,820
bring enough. 
And we started looking around, 

703
00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:50,980
man, and we found this puddle 
basically like, it was like a 

704
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:53,060
small palm, but I mean, it 
wasn't very big at all, but it 

705
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:56,260
was like straight up green pond 
scum. 

706
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:58,860
I mean like there was like 2 
inches of scum just on the top 

707
00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:00,580
of it. 
That's where, like the coyotes 

708
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:03,980
would go for water and bathing 
and everything else. 

709
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:06,660
I mean nasty. 
And we had one of those. 

710
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:08,990
Not the grail filter. 
We just had like one of those 

711
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:11,870
water balls that have all those 
little tiny, I don't know what 

712
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:14,790
they're called, like little tiny
strands in there and you just 

713
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:17,630
push the water through that, 
that that captures all the 

714
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:19,510
impurities or most the 
impurities. 

715
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:23,390
And we were drinking that for a 
week and totally felt fine. 

716
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:27,080
Didn't get sick at all. 
Well, I'll tell you what, that's

717
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,560
a true testament to whatever 
product you were using. 

718
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,360
And there's a there's a bunch of
them out there. 

719
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,760
Yeah, I know life's a big one. 
That's people know. 

720
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Again, going back to the quality
marketing, you know, some of the

721
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,480
first products they came out 
with and not so great. 

722
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:43,340
Wouldn't really hold up. 
They pumped a lot in a lot of 

723
00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:45,820
money into marketing and some of
the products they're making out,

724
00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:47,340
from what I understand, are 
pretty quality. 

725
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:50,700
But I I think they really had to
build themselves up and make 

726
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,980
their money in order to start 
putting. 

727
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:56,820
They're pumping some money into 
some better production methods 

728
00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:59,740
and better products. 
So, you know, the staples in the

729
00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:02,020
industry are Gray out. 
They're a little bit pricey and 

730
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:05,440
Sawyer has been around. 
For years. 

731
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
And they're really great. 
I mean, you can put something in

732
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,640
your pocket, literally, you can 
fit in your pocket, and I think 

733
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,160
it's rated up to 100,000 
gallons. 

734
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,400
You know you're going out there,
you know, secondary to your 

735
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120
knife. 
Find a way to purify water, even

736
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,880
if it's and if you're confident 
you know. 

737
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,160
If you don't have a fire 
starter, source some matches or 

738
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,280
a lighter and you're confident 
with your friction fire skills, 

739
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,640
Get a stainless steel canteen or
titanium canteen, because. 

740
00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:37,070
You can purify water over and 
over and over and over again in 

741
00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:38,910
that. 
Yeah, for sure. 

742
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:42,390
That's the way to go. 
What about, like when it comes 

743
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,270
to equipment, we're talking 
about, you know, shelters and 

744
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:47,550
whatnot and clothing, you know, 
that kind of is another 

745
00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:50,790
component of shelter. 
What's some good brands that you

746
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:52,470
typically gravitate to there, 
like Fall Raven? 

747
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:55,670
Took the words out of my mouth. 
Absolutely. 

748
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:59,590
If y'all Raven is, I'm a huge 
fan of y'all Raven stuff I have.

749
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:03,410
A number of their pair of pants 
and their shirts, they make some

750
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:06,050
great shirts. 
You know, we've got some lighter

751
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:08,570
weight shirts that are great for
the warmer months. 

752
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:11,690
Like right now I've done some 
some training courses and those 

753
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:13,570
it's a trade off, you know, 
depending on where you're going 

754
00:38:13,570 --> 00:38:15,330
to be. 
Some of the training courses 

755
00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:18,130
I've taken were at the tail end 
of the Appalachian mountain 

756
00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:22,090
range and it's kind of like the 
Appalachian jungle with its 

757
00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:24,410
nickname and you're kind of down
in this valley. 

758
00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:28,810
And my buddy Dave runs the 
school, Dave Canterbury. 

759
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,320
You know, if you're in the 
industry, you, you know Dave. 

760
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,040
You definitely know Dave. 
He was even interviewed recently

761
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,680
about the plane crash a couple 
of weeks ago where about four 

762
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,200
kids, four children survived in 
the jungles of Columbia I. 

763
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,280
Read that article. 
Super impressive. 

764
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,440
Yeah, yeah. 
My dad actually called me and he

765
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,480
said hi. 
I was watching TV today and had 

766
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,520
this survivalist on Dave 
Canterbury every here. 

767
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,400
And I said sure, I know Dave. 
I'm taking a number of his 

768
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,220
classes. 
You know he's got a phenomenal 

769
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:58,140
store and I'll send people over 
to his store if I don't have 

770
00:38:58,140 --> 00:38:59,980
something. 
I know he has and I believe he 

771
00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:02,300
does the same thing for me, at 
least I've been told. 

772
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,060
So great guy really is a very 
skilled survivors, great school 

773
00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:10,580
and you know when you get down 
to to the the quality and the 

774
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:13,340
environment as far as the 
clothing goes, you know at his 

775
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:16,220
school in particular I've got a 
lightweight shirt that's 

776
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:19,820
breathable from Phil Raven. 
And then I also have more of 

777
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:22,580
what I like to call a brush 
busting shirt. 

778
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:25,180
It doesn't breathe as well, but 
man is it tough. 

779
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:26,940
It's real tough and their pants 
are tough. 

780
00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:29,020
You're going to bust through 
some briar bushes and you're 

781
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:30,260
going to be crawling on the 
ground. 

782
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:32,620
You really don't have to worry 
about ripping your clothes. 

783
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,340
You don't. 
It's it's going to withstand the

784
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:36,500
test of time. 
Their packs are really great. 

785
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,980
I swear by their packs. 
You know, you can have all sorts

786
00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:42,900
of cool looking tactical packs 
with Molly webbing on the 

787
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:45,740
outside. 
That's great if you want to go 

788
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:48,380
to tax going and you can strap 
some things you know Molly 

789
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:51,580
compatible products to the 
outside of those packs. 

790
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,680
But I really like the Fioraven 
packs. 

791
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,000
You know, they've got this wax, 
this Greenland wax they make and

792
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,880
they have this proprietary 
material called the G1000. 

793
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920
And they make their pants out of
it, some of their shirts out of 

794
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,880
it, and they make their packs of
it out of it as well. 

795
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,080
And you rub this Greenland wax 
on that G1000 and it makes it 

796
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,280
water resistant. 
That water just beads right off 

797
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,000
of it. 
And so if you're cotton, you 

798
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,780
know. 
Nasty weather. 

799
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:18,300
You're not going to have to 
worry about taking shelter 

800
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,380
immediately because you don't 
have to worry so much about your

801
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:25,020
clothes being, you know, way 
down and sop down with water. 

802
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,220
Totally, man. 
What about when it comes to, 

803
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:31,180
like if you're if you're going 
very minimal out there, like if 

804
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:33,380
you're in a plane crash and 
you're stranded out, then you 

805
00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:35,860
get just, you know what you got 
on your person. 

806
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:39,340
There's that for sure. 
In which case you know, having. 

807
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:42,470
Probably having some type of 
water purification. 

808
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:45,190
The ability to make fire a knife
like just the bare necessities 

809
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:48,350
is key when it comes to if 
you're kind of trying to post up

810
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:52,270
in your own home or makes things
make things more, you know, 

811
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:55,230
self-sufficient in your normal 
normal location. 

812
00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:56,790
What what's your opinion on 
things like solar? 

813
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:59,030
Like do you go the the round of 
solar or what do you do for 

814
00:40:59,030 --> 00:41:01,670
that? 
Solar, absolutely. 

815
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:03,390
I mean solar is a great way to 
go. 

816
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:07,590
I've got a pretty open backyard,
decent sized deck on the back of

817
00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:09,750
my home. 
So I'll pull out some solar 

818
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:12,710
products. 
Goal Zero, although we partner 

819
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:14,590
with Goal 0, they're great. 
I mean they're really, really 

820
00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:17,550
great products. 
There are a couple of companies 

821
00:41:17,550 --> 00:41:21,070
out there that deal with solar 
power stuffs. 

822
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:24,350
I would say Goal Zero, although 
it can be about on the price. 

823
00:41:24,350 --> 00:41:27,890
Again, it is quality stuff. 
So if you have something like a 

824
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:31,370
solar still even to purify some 
water, that's that's great. 

825
00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:34,410
Now if you really want to get 
down and do your research and 

826
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:39,370
want to do it the economical 
way, you know there are some 

827
00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:42,570
great books out there and 
obviously YouTube, YouTube is a 

828
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:45,050
great source and I remember 
growing up YouTube didn't social

829
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:46,850
media didn't exist. 
I remember when the Internet 

830
00:41:46,850 --> 00:41:48,210
came out, I'm sure you do as 
well. 

831
00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:55,090
It it's a wealth of information 
out there and you can find some 

832
00:41:55,090 --> 00:42:00,250
methods for purifying water with
basically two cups and a piece 

833
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:04,050
of cotton cloth and I won't go 
through the process here is a 

834
00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:08,450
bit of lengthy process but yeah 
you know look it up on on on 

835
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:12,370
YouTube it's pretty easy to find
you know some simple ways of 

836
00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:15,690
purifying water but you know as 
they say you don't know what you

837
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:18,460
don't know and. 
If you're in a position where 

838
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:23,180
you need to scatter to look up 
how to do it, guess what You're 

839
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:25,460
You're already done. 
You're already done. 

840
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:27,500
Yeah. 
No, totally, man. 

841
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:30,820
Totally agree. 
Yeah, we, you'll appreciate 

842
00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:33,860
this. 
We needed to get a rig for our 

843
00:42:33,860 --> 00:42:36,660
business, like deliveries and 
whatnot and for conferences. 

844
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:40,060
And I also think about getting a
travel trailer because there's 

845
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:42,460
just so many things that we've 
been traveling for, for the 

846
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:44,160
business. 
And I'm like, man, I wish there 

847
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,360
was like a way to hybrid, you 
know, to like have a cargo van 

848
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,440
but then also have a travel 
trailer because both of those 

849
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,960
independently are pretty 
expensive. 

850
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,440
And my buddy hit me up and he's 
kind of into the survival, you 

851
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,720
know, game as well. 
But he also has like a food part

852
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,480
of business and he bought, he's,
he's really big into old diesel 

853
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,160
engines. 
So he bought this 1999 

854
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,810
Freightliner ambulance. 
That's just like massive. 

855
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:09,530
And he put a big old military 
bumper on there with £18,000 

856
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:11,770
winch. 
It's like 1000 watts of solar on

857
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:13,930
the roof and I bought that from 
him. 

858
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:17,490
It's all blacked out with rhino 
lining, you know, truck bed 

859
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:19,650
liner, paint. 
So I'm I'm going to get that 

860
00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:23,490
thing rigged up to be like a 
business vehicle that's also a 

861
00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:26,810
hunting rig and just badass 
savage all the all the same 

862
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:29,860
time. 
I'll tell you what you're You're

863
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:32,820
a man after my own heart. 
I've always wanted to put 

864
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:35,900
something like that. 
And I almost jumped the gun a 

865
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:38,620
few too many times and just, 
yeah, I'm going to buy that. 

866
00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:41,340
But I've been taking my time. 
And, you know, if I'm going to 

867
00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:42,140
do it, I'm going to do it, 
right? 

868
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:44,380
I'm going to do it once I get, 
like I said earlier in our 

869
00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:45,900
conversation, buy once, cry 
once. 

870
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:49,220
Yeah, I want to make sure I have
something, something like that. 

871
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:52,020
And that's a great sort, you 
know, an ambulance vehicle like 

872
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:53,940
that. 
I never even thought about that.

873
00:43:53,940 --> 00:43:55,260
That's a great source because 
they're. 

874
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:58,190
Large vehicles, they got a lot 
of muscle through them. 

875
00:43:58,270 --> 00:44:00,350
You know, in an emergency 
situation, it's got to be able 

876
00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:03,470
to get from point A to point B 
and you've got a lot of storage 

877
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:04,950
in a vehicle like that. 
Yeah. 

878
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:08,430
And the ambulances are cool, 
man, because like they the box 

879
00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:11,670
on them, they're, they're made 
to withstand like rolling over. 

880
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:14,190
So like if you were to, you 
know, get in an accident, like 

881
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:17,310
they're they're all just 
freaking solid and ambulances or

882
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,670
decommissioned after X many 
years because they don't want to

883
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:21,590
have as at a frontline, you 
know, emergency response 

884
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:23,310
vehicles, they're all pretty 
well. 

885
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:25,250
Saw them. 
Mechanically speaking, if you 

886
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:28,290
get them second hand they're all
wired to the hill, like there's 

887
00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:31,490
like a 270 amp alternator in 
this thing that they're just 

888
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:34,570
they're just tanks. 
Man, this thing weighs £23,000, 

889
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:37,850
like you almost have to have a 
CDL for it, but you don't have 

890
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:41,050
to cuz it's under 26 so you're 
able to just outfit it however 

891
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:42,330
you want. 
It's super versatile. 

892
00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:48,770
That's how it's very unique, 
unique vehicle bugging out or 

893
00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:51,170
you know. 
Bugging from one point to 

894
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:54,490
another type of vehicle, yeah. 
And yeah, load down some 

895
00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:56,530
necessities and that and when 
you need it, it's gonna be 

896
00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:57,530
there. 
I thought about getting a 

897
00:44:57,530 --> 00:45:01,570
Sprinter van, you know, and 
loading up a Sprinter van, but a

898
00:45:01,570 --> 00:45:05,710
Sprinter van you've got to do. 
Quite a bit more to it, to bring

899
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:08,630
it up to speed with, to have it 
something like what you've got. 

900
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:11,230
And like you said, they've just 
got rollover. 

901
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:15,150
I don't want to say rollover 
proof, but rollover resistance, 

902
00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:18,430
you know, to the bodies that 
might, the bodies that might be 

903
00:45:18,430 --> 00:45:22,230
inside of the vehicle and the 
products that might be inside of

904
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:23,950
the vehicle. 
You know, you're a sustainable 

905
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:26,830
life giving products that you're
going to be carrying with you 

906
00:45:26,830 --> 00:45:28,870
and you've got to protect that 
stuff at all costs. 

907
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,760
Totally, man, Totally. 
Well, what's in the pipeline for

908
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,960
you, man? 
Do you have any other courses 

909
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,360
coming up? 
Do you have any, what's exciting

910
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,360
with the business you've got? 
Kind of like what's the future 

911
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,960
hold for you? 
Well, without saying too much, 

912
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,120
there's an entity or throwing 
out that interview yet because 

913
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,920
they haven't launched yet, be on
the lockout in the outdoors 

914
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,800
industry for a soft launch. 
In mid August. 

915
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,480
So basically it's going to be a 
live selling platform. 

916
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,400
So think of it like QVC but for 
the outdoors. 

917
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,640
I've been talking with these 
guys lately. 

918
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,760
I was connected by a very, very 
reputable guy, really great guy 

919
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,930
in the. 
In the survival Bush craft 

920
00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:16,890
industry and he's connecting me 
with, with the guys who are 

921
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:19,850
going to be launching this 
platform and collectively these 

922
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:24,490
two guys have something like you
know 3540 years doing the live 

923
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:26,410
selling. 
So yeah, think of like the QV C 

924
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:30,810
but for the outdoors and we've 
been in some discussions with 

925
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:33,850
them to to get on board with 
what they're doing and it's it's

926
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:38,400
a very exciting time. 
You know the the industry has 

927
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,400
been taking off over the last 10
or 12 years like I said with the

928
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:48,480
the influx of reality TV shows 
for survivalists and self 

929
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,520
sustainability, the movement 
there And as I said earlier, you

930
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,360
know COVID, COVID gave everybody
a little taste of how they 

931
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,120
needed to be prepared whether 
they have three days worth of 

932
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,320
supplies or they have three 
years or the supplies again have

933
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,480
something. 
So we're looking in the 

934
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,870
direction of. 
Doing some live sales and we 

935
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:11,510
also started a a new brand, kind
of a sister company called 

936
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:15,430
Waypost Outdoors. 
And you know, we have for the 

937
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:19,830
nature of our business, we sell 
what a lot of platforms, you 

938
00:47:19,830 --> 00:47:21,750
know, like Facebook and 
Instagram, they consider it to 

939
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:25,190
be weapons, you know, weapons. 
They're tools. 

940
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:28,350
These are these are the first 
tools that were used by The 

941
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:30,590
Pioneers that came out. 
They were used by the Native 

942
00:47:30,590 --> 00:47:34,590
Americans, you know, a 
bushcrafter survival knife. 

943
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:39,990
Is no more harmful than a 
kitchen knife is because we've 

944
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:42,070
run into some of the road, some 
of those roadblocks. 

945
00:47:42,070 --> 00:47:46,710
We developed Wait Post Outdoors,
and we did a soft launch 

946
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:49,030
ourselves just about a month ago
for Wait Post. 

947
00:47:49,110 --> 00:47:52,470
And we're already for some of 
our products and some of our 

948
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:55,510
pages on Wait Post, we're 
already outranking ourselves 

949
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:59,390
under the Survival Gear brand. 
And our SEO guys, really great. 

950
00:48:00,230 --> 00:48:03,070
He's, he called me up about a 
year, year and a half ago, he 

951
00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:03,990
said. 
Brian, I've never seen this 

952
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:06,350
before in my career, all the 
years I've been doing this, but 

953
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:09,710
you guys have actually outranked
Amazon for some keywords, which 

954
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:11,510
we were shocked with, absolutely
shocked. 

955
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,950
So we're very excited about the 
traction this brand has gotten 

956
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:20,710
so far and our ability to to 
kind of morph and change with 

957
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:24,270
the demands of the sales 
channels, the platforms. 

958
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:27,090
Not just the steel channel 
platform, but what people are 

959
00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:29,530
looking for and what they want. 
You know with your products 

960
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:32,650
coming on board. 
You know with us like I said, it

961
00:48:32,650 --> 00:48:37,050
is very, very quickly become our
number one seller because it's 

962
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:40,490
something that's lowering 
carbohydrate is a little bit 

963
00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:44,050
higher in the protein and the 
fat where that has that 

964
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:47,490
sustainability, that satiety 
factor in there that a lot of 

965
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:51,140
foods don't and. 
We're excited where it's going 

966
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:52,700
to go. 
We've already over the weekend 

967
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,460
we've sold out of a number of 
the flavors from Keto Brick and 

968
00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:57,900
we just got a shipment in. 
So we're going to be placing 

969
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:00,060
another order here in the next 
day you got. 

970
00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:06,020
Well, let me ask you this with 
with this growing, like with 

971
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:09,980
this interest in these skill 
sets growing, what is the 

972
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:13,940
community like as a whole? 
Like for me, you know that the 

973
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:15,580
keto community has been, you 
know, just. 

974
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:18,780
Tremendous in in giving me a 
platform, everybody's been super

975
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:22,860
perceptive within the survival 
Bush craft community. 

976
00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:27,260
Is that like a community that's 
opening people and and being 

977
00:49:27,260 --> 00:49:29,860
pretty forthcoming with any 
knowledge they have or is it 

978
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:32,740
kind of like a, you know, if the
more people I tell how to 

979
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:35,620
survive the more competition 
I've got for resources when that

980
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:38,060
time comes like is it, is it 
kind of standoff or is it pretty

981
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:39,650
open? 
Oh no. 

982
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:42,770
It's very often the the people 
in this industry are wonderful 

983
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:44,370
people. 
They'll give you the shirts off 

984
00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:47,970
their backs and they're 
genuinely excited to pass their 

985
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:52,090
knowledge down. 
As I said we we partner with 

986
00:49:52,090 --> 00:49:55,410
some really great schools and 
affiliate schools about seven of

987
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:58,890
them and we're peppered all over
the country or these school like

988
00:49:58,890 --> 00:50:03,290
I say affiliates it's we 
basically sell the equipment for

989
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:05,290
their students. 
You know if they say hey here's 

990
00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:07,770
your required gear list or have 
this and this and this and these

991
00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:10,970
people don't know where to go. 
They they have no prior 

992
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:14,330
information or skill sets. 
You know we do some cross 

993
00:50:14,330 --> 00:50:17,610
promotions from links from our 
site to theirs and vice versa. 

994
00:50:18,110 --> 00:50:21,750
And you can call up, you know, 
call us up and you're going to 

995
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:23,350
get a live person. 
You're going to get someone 

996
00:50:23,350 --> 00:50:24,350
who's actually going to talk to 
you. 

997
00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:25,870
Has actually gone through the 
skills. 

998
00:50:25,870 --> 00:50:26,990
They've gone through the 
courses. 

999
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:29,950
You know, there's a school 
called the Survival University. 

1000
00:50:29,950 --> 00:50:31,870
It's out in Colorado. 
They pretty much have a lockdown

1001
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:34,230
on the entire state of Colorado.
Phenomenal school. 

1002
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:37,270
I said they're in Colorado. 
Earth Trek or bushcraft. 

1003
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:38,670
They're in your neck of the 
woods. 

1004
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:42,150
Arkansas, Missouri. 
Allies Wilderness is up in Maine

1005
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:45,710
and Massachusetts. 
You know, they're we're all over

1006
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:46,950
the place. 
We even just took on. 

1007
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:52,570
A our first ever traveling 
instructor with Wild Card 

1008
00:50:52,570 --> 00:50:55,250
Wilderness and she travels all 
over the US. 

1009
00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:58,930
You know if you could check out 
our website and you you go 

1010
00:50:58,930 --> 00:51:01,410
under, go under training, 
educate yourself a little bit. 

1011
00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:04,930
You're going to see some drop 
down menus for not just books 

1012
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:07,930
and films but schools. 
You know one of the films. 

1013
00:51:07,930 --> 00:51:09,250
I think that's really great what
you mentioned. 

1014
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:13,070
A bit earlier is, you know, the 
the bugging in factor and what 

1015
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:15,230
do you need to have at home? 
Yeah, the shoulder stop is 

1016
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:17,310
great, but what other supplies 
you need to have at home? 

1017
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:19,630
We were with the great guy who 
was the number one contestant 

1018
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:22,310
from From Naked and Afraid. 
His name is EJ Snyder. 

1019
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:25,510
And we did a film about a year 
ago called The Ultimate Bug in 

1020
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:29,470
and on Defense film. 
And he gives you all kinds of 

1021
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:32,470
golden Nuggets in that film 
about what you need to have in 

1022
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:35,550
your home to be prepared for 
yourself, your family, your 

1023
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:38,550
loved ones, even your pets. 
Love it man. 

1024
00:51:38,550 --> 00:51:40,310
I think that's what it all boils
down like. 

1025
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:42,590
I think anybody listen to this 
no matter where they're at, no 

1026
00:51:42,590 --> 00:51:44,430
matter where they sit 
politically, no matter anything.

1027
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:50,670
Like it just makes sense to not 
have to rely on the government 

1028
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:53,670
or your neighbor or anything 
else for all of your needs. 

1029
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:56,710
Like one should be 
self-sufficient to a degree for 

1030
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:58,870
sure, especially within their 
own home. 

1031
00:51:58,870 --> 00:52:02,630
Being able to provide to their 
their their spouse, their kids, 

1032
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:04,830
their their livestock. 
Like you just need to be able 

1033
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:06,790
to. 
Be self-sufficient, you know 

1034
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:08,510
it's all is what it all boils 
down to. 

1035
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:13,670
I feel like any resource, any 
online entity like yourself, any

1036
00:52:13,870 --> 00:52:16,430
outfitter like yourself that's 
able to help provide that to 

1037
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:18,750
people 100% man you get my 
respect. 

1038
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:20,350
So I'm excited for. 
I'm definitely be checking out 

1039
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:22,070
your website and probably 
getting some gear from you here 

1040
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:24,910
in the near future and that 
there's ever anything I could do

1041
00:52:24,910 --> 00:52:26,870
to help promote. 
Anyway ma'am, just let me know. 

1042
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:29,470
I love that. 
Sounds great. 

1043
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:30,870
And you know anything you need 
at all. 

1044
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:32,590
Any advice? 
Any information? 

1045
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:35,230
You know my cell phone number? 
Give me a buzz. 

1046
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,620
I'll be happy to do any sort of 
collaboration with you there 

1047
00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:40,860
that we can. 
Loving your products so far. 

1048
00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:44,220
Like I said, I can't believe 
that they that they went up all 

1049
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:45,660
the year. 
We sell, we got some really 

1050
00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:48,580
great selling stuff, but man, 
they shot to the top right off 

1051
00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:50,620
the bat. 
So whatever you're doing, keep 

1052
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:52,620
doing it and keep coming out. 
Those new flavors, that 

1053
00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:55,300
nootropic icing, that's my 
favorite so far. 

1054
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:57,180
I'm gonna see some more of that 
stuff around. 

1055
00:52:57,780 --> 00:52:59,140
Love it, man. 
Well, if you're ever in this 

1056
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,420
neck of the woods, brother, just
let me know. 

1057
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:02,020
I'd love to show you around our 
operation here. 

1058
00:53:02,020 --> 00:53:03,940
We can go hunting, do whatever 
you want to do. 

1059
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:06,230
That'd be fantastic. 
And if you're ever out in 

1060
00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:08,630
Pennsylvania, Ohio, West 
Virginia area, you know, for 

1061
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:10,030
competition or anything, you 
know, give me a buzz. 

1062
00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:11,750
Like I said, I was competitive 
bodybuilder for years. 

1063
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:13,550
I still know a lot of people in 
the industry. 

1064
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:16,030
My gym is a great big 
bodybuilding gym. 

1065
00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:19,470
Doesn't matter if it's the NPC 
or any other entity, the OCB, 

1066
00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:22,990
whatever it might be. 
If you're out this way, give me 

1067
00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:24,270
a buzz. 
Awesome, man. 

1068
00:53:24,270 --> 00:53:26,230
Well, Brian, pleasure, pleasure 
chatting with you. 

1069
00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:28,870
Definitely keep in touch and 
we'll talk soon man. 

1070
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:31,110
And one more time for the 
listeners, what was the name of 

1071
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:32,670
your website so they can find it
easily? 

1072
00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:37,700
It is survival gear dot us and 
name of our company is Survival 

1073
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:40,700
gear BSO that's short for 
Bushcraft and Survival 

1074
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:44,540
Outfitters 
survivalgear.uswaitpostoutdoors.com.

1075
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:47,300
Wait, postoutdoors.com. 
I'll link out to both. 

1076
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:48,860
Those make it easy people to 
find you for sure. 

1077
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:50,940
That'd be awesome. 
I appreciate that all. 

1078
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:52,980
Right, Brian. 
Take care, brother, and talk 

1079
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:55,380
soon, ma'am. 
Yeah, my friend have a good one.