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What's going on is James, Robert
Sykes, kilo Savage.com. 

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And today I have special guest, 
Jim Howard. 

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He is the president and CEO of 
biosense. 

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Biosense is this new? 
It's a breathalyzer for ketones.

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There's a bunch of different 
breathless on the market right 

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now, but this one is legit. 
They write the metabolic Health 

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Summit AT a booth set up. 
I went and used it several 

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times. 
They were kind of two similar 

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device. 
I've been tracking it this 

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entire week and I'm really 
impressed with it thus far, it 

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syncs with heads up Health, it 
syncs with all my other day. 

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Data data. 
So I can have all this 

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information at my fingertips, 
which I'm a huge fan of because 

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I'm all about the data. 
Now, this podcast, like all 

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podcasts are not sponsored. 
I'm not getting any Kickback 

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from gym or biosense. 
I just like the device I believe

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in the company. 
I like what they're doing, they 

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hook me up with a discount code 
to give to Young the discount 

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code is Savage. 
That's going to save you 20 

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bucks at my bio sense.com. 
I don't get any Kickback from 

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that. 
I gave my portion to kick back 

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back to the company. 
Because I believe in what 

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they're doing and I feel like 
what they're creating is 

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something that could potentially
help lots of people and that's 

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what it's all about. 
So without further Ado, sit back

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relax and draw this podcast with
Jim Howard. 

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Learn something about testing, 
your breath, ketones and enjoy. 

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Imagine, how are you, sir? 
Good, thank you for having me. 

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Thank you for being here. 
I'm excited about this because 

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you are the CEO and founder of 
biosense, which is the the 

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breathalyze incur testing device
that I've been using this whole 

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past week. 
So I want to kind of dive into 

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that and flush that out in great
detail for the audience here. 

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But before we do that, I want to
kind of get into your bag store 

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man. 
Like why why Ketone why Ketone 

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meters wide a ketogenic diet? 
Like what brought you in the 

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first? 
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At a personal level, my wife 
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She's a cancer survivor. 
She was losing some, some baby 

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weight type of thing Q, junk, 
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her. 
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kind of helping her find a way 
that she could test multiple 

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times per day, you know. 
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positives and then I adopted the
diet myself, the protocol for 

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information purposes, you know, 
for running bad knees. 

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You know, you hear that a lot 
and it Helped immensely. 

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So I have a background in the 
with a number of Technologies in

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the in a hospital space, 
including some of the 

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respiratory devices out there. 
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way that we could overlay that 
experience with technology that 

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would support the ketogenic 
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So I was really fortunate to 
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developed this and we're in the 
process of doing research on the

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device and that would happen. 
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about to Two years ago, so I met
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One thing led to another and I 
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and we built built the company 
readout Health around the Bayou 

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Sense Technology. 
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actually got you. 
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diet itself just like as a 
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health. 
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wife's benefits, you know how 
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years prior to the yeah. 
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when I really do of into the 
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the ketogenic diet but but 
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that would be greeting ketones. 
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hers were higher and then 
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same diet when I got involved 
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Okay. 
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forever. 
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metabolic Health Summit. 
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conference that didn't get 
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y'all were you know we're just 
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booth. 
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about this thing. 
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was our clinical launch and the,
the device itself had a very 

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warm reception and with 320 
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So high level of accuracy, a lot
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measurements. 
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academic device. 
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that had taken place. 
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testing, right? 
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Can you kind of dive into that a
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Yeah, sure. 
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this. 
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the consumer world, when people 
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device that checks breath asked 
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think of, well, it's kind of 
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very accurate, and that is the 
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chromatography. 
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you can do that in a lab, but 
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a consumer or a patient could 
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So, so the, the trial that we 
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there is a strong correlation 
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acetone to BHP, and which the 
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So those are Kind of the devices
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So, we had a trial in St. 
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two-week period, they pick their
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that resulted in over 1,300 data
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So That's really the basis of 
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couple really interesting 
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them, which only logical but 
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that much. 
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fact that you know, multiple 
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and how do we know that we know 
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up in the morning from a 12-hour
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different than what they are 
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example, the majority of 
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journey is. 
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devices. 
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proved and with those multiple 
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sampling, which is using just 
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your breath. 
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variation so that that's the 
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that it stems from that 
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there that were breath Ketone 
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air around you and there's just 
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You know, in a clinical way. 
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Market just in the end of it's 
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right at MHS metabolic Health 
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Well, I've been just blown away 
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like I tried the level device 
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by any means but it's just a 
larger device, it's cumbersome 

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and I was I was getting all 
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lot of inconsistencies but with 
y'all's it made it just worked 

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right out of the box. 
And it's Except with heads of 

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Health, which is what I use to 
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pulls in. 
Almond macro is my sinks with my

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scale, so I can get my daily way
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And now, I can sync that up with
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device that y'all are putting 
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So everything's all in one 
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Yeah, yeah, that's, that's 
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And I think that especially 
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where you're tracking 
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the buyer hacker crowd loves to 
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our device, which is multiple 
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you want to have all that in one
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So, so that's, it's perfect for 
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But even in the weight loss 
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listeners that are really 
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or other protocols, where you're
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caloric restriction, like 
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here instead to a protocol, and 
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You know, if someone's just 
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probably least known on the 
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which if they've been adapted 
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their their level of ketosis. 
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there are great, but they have 
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As well with regard to kind of 
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breathalyzer is there are they 
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inverted correlation between the
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I think it in general, it 
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So the correlation any spot 
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a day you're checking your blood
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Most people, it's pretty close. 
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times what? 
Millimolar would be as if you're

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throughout the day and this is 
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paper. 
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very, very close. 
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So if you're exercising, you get
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have an increase in your breath 
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have less circulating blood 
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Body is use them when you're 
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check. 
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would be that breakfast is 
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that Genji. 
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fascinated by, you know, as an 
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compare that because like, I 
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know, shortly after training or 
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And that was also wearing a CGM.
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corresponding spike in blood 
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for about like 30 minute window,
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playing around with the, the 
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weeks around a ton of data. 
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higher readings within about 
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Right? 
So, you know, your you have 

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Dynamic ketones, like many 
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Thing. 
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of fasting so fast in ketosis or
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That's ideal for a top-tier 
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You know, I, since the products 
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we'd need a lot more data, you 
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hundreds of thousands of users, 
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here in the next year, but it's 
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upcoming clinical trials and 
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That's that's an interesting one
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the clinical settings, not so 
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What are you seeing like just, 
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do you expect? 
What Are we excited about? 

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I guess as far as the company is
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actually, is the company started
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The two Founders Timmy, the Bay 

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is at the University of Toronto.
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when we first started working on
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you know, we're working with a 
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treating diabetes and as a way 
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Gap, but the fact of the matter 
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be a neurological disorders, or 
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consumers or so really, it's a 
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Is that? 
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We have a medical grade product 
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but there's a lot of people that
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the clinician saying, hey, just 
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check your ketones and they're 
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So, so we, I think the future 
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technology, our core technology 
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bring other devices to Market 
that use breath. 

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Sampling. 
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out there right now, but none of
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accuracy. 
That only comes with the Deep 

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lung sampling technology that we
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So that's the secret sauce that 
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And, yeah, so this this could 
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to. 
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applications outside of just 
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Yes. 
So that what are some, what are 

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some examples that? 
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it comes to anything outside. 
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lot of other devices that could,
you know, device applications 

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methane hydrogen carbon dioxide 
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an example. 
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there are some devices out there
they're not going to be have 

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that level of accuracy that we 
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could focus on if we choose to. 
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that were really looking at 
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behavioral aspect of weight 
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that up to. 
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on looking at the various 
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Ain't there, it's not just 
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Then that brings an interesting 
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I feel like a large, I mean I 
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obesity so much of it stems from
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of, you know, food consumption 
and one doubt look in perception

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of food. 
As this reward, you know, 

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feedback loop that becomes this 
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I feel though that if they had a
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testing their breath ketones, I 
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what they're putting into their 
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of sway them against, you know, 
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That's not going to bring them 
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nutritional path, you know? 
Yeah. 

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Because I mean it's a little bit

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of a big brother thing where 
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It's you know fits in the palm 
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couple ounces and you know that 
that's going to give you your 

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level of fat burn right there 
all day long. 

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If you wanted to 20 times a day 
unlimited measurements, right? 

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Sound like you're paying for 
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that feedback and maybe let's 
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patient. 
It's really tough. 

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You know the majority of those 
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are. 
They've been trying everything, 

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everything everything and 
nothing ever really works 

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because they're using a scale, 
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That's fluctuating, they don't 
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it's just difficult and I think 
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of give up on it. 
Like, hey, here's medication for

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your diabetes. 
Here is a protocol that you 

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should try and do you really 
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because if nothing has in the 
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some, some type of tool wear one
of them, there's others other 

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protocol to, you could tool, 
it's giving you feedback all day

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long and maybe you just your 
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key tones up and get into a 
state of fat burn. 

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fine. 
You get these numbers. 

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Is it becomes a little addictive
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want to check again and and 
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their behavior to do what 
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and they will see results from 
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You know, as we all know, if you
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getting that type of feedback 
you're going to burn fat 

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especially from the ketogenic 
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that are, you know, put you well
into ketosis. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I definitely like the idea of 
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metrics outside and Scale weight
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I feel like, you know, people 
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don't think is right either. 
I mean, it's just giving you a 

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number, you don't need to 
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upon it accordingly. 
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scale, just gives you more more 
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Do you notice any any 
correlation with regard to the 

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consumption of Exotics ketones? 
Like you know, if I take in 

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Ketone solid Chiquito Nestor I 
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in my blood. 
Ketones is that also going to 

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hold true with the Eliezer it 
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But you know, the one thing if 
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exemptions Tito. 
It's going to be a little longer

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than it would probably be with 
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BHP. 
Yeah. 

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So you're going to get the same 
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particularly, I don't respond 
that. 

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Well, to those, I respond better
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your keto brick that I've been 
chomping on a low Peak, you 

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know, but everyone's a little 
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So, Yeah, I'm curious man. 
Have you noticed just since 

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you've been playing around the 
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Corresponding increase in your 
Ace levels. 

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Yeah, I have and, you know, I'm 
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find enough fat you try to fit 
in and and I got to be really 

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careful about that for, so I 
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noticing that throughout the 
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I've been checking my ketones 
with the key tobruk and 

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certainly there's If it's 
provided that balance where it's

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a more reliable elevated. 
Ketone, has posed to me 

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forgetting about that fat intake
because I just can't find the 

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right food. 
So so I found that it's a kind 

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of a reliable way to really 
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that highly accessible and very 
tasty. 

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And there's not a commercial 
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really good. 
So that was the problem of 

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having too much, but answer your
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Yes, it's I found it very 
helpful for me. 

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Okay, it's interesting. 
Out with it comes from the keto 

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brick or not. 
I feel like people that eat a 

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higher fat version of Quito 
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million different versions of 
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Whereas in the beginning it was 
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a lot of people will argue that 
if you're eating a lot of 

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dietary fats you're going to 
have these higher Ketone levels 

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but it's going to inhibit your 
body's ability to burn stored 

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fat, you know, adipose tissue. 
But so many people that are so 

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much context that needs to be 
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There's a lot of people that are
just starting to ketogenic diet.

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They're not coming from a 
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drastically cut their fat intake
because they hear some keto Guru

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saying that, but then their 
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and burning body fat. 
So you kind of have to learn and

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adapt yourself to the higher fat
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prioritizing that that stored 
body fat loss. 

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That makes any sense. 
Absolutely. 

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Yeah. 
So you know I wouldn't recommend

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you know very highest fat diet 
for that Cardiology patient and 

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There's a lot of it is right now
being treated nutritional 

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ketosis as of the heart's 
ability in the brain's ability 

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to use that source of energy, so
efficiently, but yeah, it's to 

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each his own. 
I'm curious, man with you kind 

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of interacting so much in the 
clinical setting. 

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What's, what is the vibe that 
you're picking up on, like, as 

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it relates to the future of 
Quito in the first place? 

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Like I got an interesting 
perspective as an influence from

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the space and as a content 
creator, Sir, but I'm curious to

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see, kind of what your your 
perspective isn't. 

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What you're picking up on, just 
based off of, you know, 

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listening and talking and 
interacting with people in the 

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clinical setting. 
Yeah. 

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Well, it's probably the impact 
of all of you folks out there in

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the consumer world that, like, 
people are talking about it so 

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much that, you know, some point,
these clinicians are going to 

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hear it from their patients like
so many patients that. 

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Hey I'm on the ketogenic diet. 
Look at the impact on diabetes 

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or obesity. 
They have to listen. 

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So you know, a lot of Our 
engagement. 

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Well, I can break in our 
engagement into different 

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groups. 
The first one is, is the 

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academic setting. 
So we work with big Pharma and 

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we've got three other clinical 
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centers where that is 
nutritional ketosis targeting a 

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specific chronic disease. 
We've got two upcoming and 

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cancer. 
One, is another one in obesity 

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and they're just, they have to 
have some non invasive, highly 

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accurate way to do this. 
That's horrible. 

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So we're the only device that 
checks those boxes. 

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So the other side of this is the
in clinic use and we've got 

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clinics like three Health up in 
Washington state, and a number 

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of other ones that have been 
contacting Us in the past few 

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weeks, we're starting to get set
up and that works out really 

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well, especially with heads up 
Health integration but that 

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allows us to, you know, provide 
for their you know, remote 

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patients or patients that are 
starting to come back now 

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because of it, you know, the 
Restrictions being lifted, it 

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allows them to have feedback 
from their patients, to know 

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exactly what the fat burn level 
is and their patients. 

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So if you think about that like 
taking a one measurement per 

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day, it's not very helpful for 
Clinic, you don't know what's 

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happening to your patient. 
So if you can see that there's 

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Trends throughout the day and 
then Coach appropriately, and 

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this really hits spot on for 
coaches, ketogenic coaches to 

452
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,400
is, if you can see that 
throughout the day and look at 

453
00:23:55,408 --> 00:23:59,200
these Trends, you really can 
address some of the behaviors 

454
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,000
that might be causing, you know,
some of the issues, if it's 

455
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000
weight gain or whatever it is. 
But you have to have that 

456
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,400
information, no data, no action.
So that's that's where we said, 

457
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,500
yeah. 
Feel like I don't know. 

458
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:15,000
For me, I'm very much data 
driven. 

459
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:18,500
They don't worry in it. 
And I feel like there's two 

460
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,900
trains of thought they're like 
so many people are, you know, 

461
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:23,400
quick to say that you just need 
to not. 

462
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,100
Look at any numbers, not track 
any metrics, not track your 

463
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:29,400
Macros, not track your Take your
cloak expense or anything and it

464
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,800
just be totally intuitive with 
it. 

465
00:24:30,808 --> 00:24:33,900
And I think if you're going to 
be intuitive, the ketogenic diet

466
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,900
is great for that because it 
allows you to kind of tap into 

467
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:40,100
what your body's giving you is 
feedback without having to rely 

468
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:43,100
so heavily on the numbers. 
But at the same time, if there's

469
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:45,700
a specific goal that you're 
trying to reach and you're not 

470
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:48,400
there yet, turning a blind eye 
to that. 

471
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,100
That data is just ignorance and 
stupidity. 

472
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:54,800
I'm in my opinion you're right 
you know a good example of that 

473
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,500
is in fasting where You know, 
everyone's doing intermittent 

474
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,900
fasting seemingly at least on 
the coast you and I live in the 

475
00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:04,700
midwest, we don't see it that 
much in our friends and family, 

476
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:08,800
but certainly, it's very, very 
popular on the coast. 

477
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,800
And interestingly, there's hey, 
Mike, I'm gonna do a 36 hour 

478
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,400
faster. 
I'm doing X Y, 36, verses 30. 

479
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,700
What's the point of that need to
think about? 

480
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:23,700
It's like I'm trying to get my 
body into a position where 

481
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:25,600
there's either going to be cell 
regeneration or whatever. 

482
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,500
That is at apogee is my I never 
went Target. 

483
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:32,700
Well, that comes with a level of
ketosis, not necessarily just 

484
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,600
hours so hot, but it's ours 
because how else you going to 

485
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,300
tell, you know, prick your 
finger every 30 minutes to see 

486
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,900
those elevations. 
And you see some people doing 

487
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,300
that, you know. 
But yeah it's it. 

488
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,000
You want to have that feedback 
and you want to be able to be 

489
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,500
able to react to it. 
Well it gives you it. 

490
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:52,900
I mean it gives you a leg to 
stand on. 

491
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:56,400
I feel like so many of these 
psychological you know, eating 

492
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,700
disorders and just You know, - 
relationships with, you know, 

493
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:03,500
training and fasting and all of 
it really is just a result of 

494
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:06,700
both, you know, uncertainty. 
And if you at least have the 

495
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:10,000
numbers, you have the, the data,
then you can see, what is 

496
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,100
positive, what is negative? 
As a result of your stimulus, 

497
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,900
your input and then you can 
adjust accordingly, like, like I

498
00:26:16,908 --> 00:26:19,000
always tell my clients, you 
know, don't get mad at this 

499
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,900
scale. 
Like it's just telling you what 

500
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,600
what what feedback has been 
given based off of the 

501
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,200
manipulations in the levers? 
We pull, we don't look at that 

502
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,500
as good or bad information. 
Just simply information, then 

503
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,300
you can adjust accordingly. 
Exactly. 

504
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,600
You gotta watch out for this 
scale because if you're building

505
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:39,000
muscle mass, obviously in 
Europe, you losing is losing fat

506
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,900
or any fad. 
You're not naturally gonna be 

507
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,000
losing weight, right? 
Exactly. 

508
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800
Yeah. 
And there was time of my life, 

509
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,300
man, where I was I was ecstatic 
when ever. 

510
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,000
I saw that scale go up like 
every every time I saw another 

511
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,500
pound on them like man I'm just 
getting jacked but it's probably

512
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,900
a lot more body fat than I 
wanted to admit but that's what 

513
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,500
I thought at the time. 
Yeah, exactly. 

514
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000
So yeah, very cool, man. 
I'm definitely excited about 

515
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,500
what you got going on here with 
the, with the company with the 

516
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,100
product. 
Because like I said, this is not

517
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,400
a sponsored podcast by any 
means, but I believe in what 

518
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,300
you're doing because it's, it 
has so many direct applications 

519
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:16,600
to both the clinical setting and
the consumer side and for me as 

520
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,900
a performance athlete, like it 
just gives me a lot of 

521
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:22,200
information that I would not 
normally have and it gives it to

522
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,300
me in a different different 
light than I'm getting from just

523
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:27,000
a, you know, a blood test or 
urine. 

524
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,900
Test in the fact that it does 
integrate with, you know, heads 

525
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,400
up else, I'm getting on my macro
data in there. 

526
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,100
All my exercise that in there 
that could just gives me a lot 

527
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,100
of information and I'm a freak 
about information. 

528
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,800
Yeah. 
Yeah it also integrates with 

529
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,300
sends chronometer life extend 
and life fasting. 

530
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:49,600
So there's a number of ways that
you can use whatever apps that 

531
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,400
you currently do. 
Is there any other like what 

532
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,900
generation of the biosense 
product? 

533
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,000
We on now is just like pretty 
much first generation. 

534
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,300
Yeah, these I mean we have made 
dozens and dozens of 

535
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:07,600
enhancements since our launch 
based on user feedback, you 

536
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,500
know, it's Bluetooth enabled 
with an app. 

537
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:12,400
So you know, we've made this as 
easy as possible. 

538
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,600
So it's, I would say it's still 
the primary version 1, but on 

539
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,300
software, we're constantly 
upgrading that to make it 

540
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:21,300
really, really easy. 
So, that's the key component. 

541
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:24,900
I do have a question on. 
I got you on here so I can get 

542
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:27,700
my device, I've got it synced up
with all of my You know, 

543
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,400
wearables and tracking one not, 
is there a way that I can have 

544
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800
other people like my wife, for 
instance, have her tested and 

545
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,200
then it not add to my dad? 
Yes, there is a delete 

546
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,600
measurement feature. 
So, this is a, you know, it's a 

547
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,400
single user device. 
However, if you want to share it

548
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,600
with with your fan that we get 
that request a lot, you know? 

549
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:50,600
Hey, my wife and I are both on 
this for my husband. 

550
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,900
Yes, you can delete your form 
your most recent measurement, so

551
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:58,700
it's not going to mess with. 
The trends that it's showing you

552
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,600
and, you know, everything's 
about the trend, the Valley of 

553
00:29:00,608 --> 00:29:03,300
the device is to show your 
Ketone level Trends. 

554
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,300
So it won't impact that catchy 
catchy. 

555
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,700
That's good to know because I 
haven't, I've had her one, the 

556
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,400
trial, but I've pushed her away 
until I had you on the podcast. 

557
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,500
Yeah, you can do that and then 
you can share it to. 

558
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,500
I mean, there's a sharing 
feature, you know, if you're not

559
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:20,400
using an integrated system, like
heads up help you can, you know,

560
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,400
certainly just click a couple of
buttons on there and there's 

561
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,000
share your measurements by day 
by week. 

562
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,900
You know, if a health coach, you
know, if the coaches just not is

563
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,500
only focusing on ketones. 
But that's a pretty cool thing 

564
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,100
that a lot of the clinical 
Community seems to to, like as 

565
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,700
well. 
Got ya, got ya, is there like a 

566
00:29:39,708 --> 00:29:43,700
recommended, you know, 24-hour, 
protocols far as like wake up 

567
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:47,200
test train test. 
Like, if you were to test, you 

568
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,700
know, five to ten times a day. 
What are the the recommended 

569
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,400
times to test is one better than
the other in your opinion. 

570
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Yeah, I think in a very general 
way would be, you know, 

571
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,100
Personally, I think publicly, we
say, three to four measurements 

572
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,500
a day, the more measurements you
have, the better your curve, 

573
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,900
just some more resolution in it.
So I would say, you know, before

574
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:12,300
breakfast, you know, mid morning
after, you know, hour after 

575
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,900
lunch type of thing and then, 
you know, an evening measurement

576
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,800
to we're going to bed. 
So again, for five a day is 

577
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,600
pretty good. 
Just really depends on people's 

578
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,100
schedules. 
And I saw in the directions, is 

579
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:27,500
it recommended not testing 
during the same, You know, 

580
00:30:27,508 --> 00:30:30,700
24-hour a tower block of 
drinking alcohol. 

581
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,800
I'm assuming that if you have a 
blood alcohol content, that's 

582
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,600
also going to show on the 
breathalyzer as I guess. 

583
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,200
It's going to be picked up as a 
ketone reading, right? 

584
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,800
Yeah, I can really show elevated
measurements. 

585
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400
So what you want to do with 
alcohol, take care. 

586
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,500
If you're going out on Friday 
night for a few beers or a wine,

587
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,300
whatever that is, just take your
measurement before that and then

588
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,000
wait till the next day. 
Now, if you're, you know, if you

589
00:30:56,008 --> 00:31:01,100
have a lot of alcohol, breath 
the next day, we your And don't 

590
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
say, even if apparently it's 
going to impact that too. 

591
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,100
So, but normally normal 
consumption. 

592
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:08,500
You're fine. 
Just make sure you do it before 

593
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:12,000
him and on that topic, if you're
not even drinking like if you 

594
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,800
just are deeply adapted your do 
like a week-long faster, 

595
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,400
something and you get popped and
and tested from a police officer

596
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,400
for driving and drinking. 
You would also pop on their 

597
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,500
breathalyzers. 
Will you not? 

598
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,700
It's possible. 
I've heard that I have not done 

599
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,100
testing with a alcohol, left 
light up. 

600
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,200
Professional grade one minute, 
it's big company in st. 

601
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Louis here. 
We should probably check that 

602
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,700
they're the number one 
manufacturer of those is here. 

603
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:41,800
So I'll ask them to do a test, 
will shoot me and I could see, I

604
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,300
could see police officers 
carrying around this mile since 

605
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:48,500
device here in the future. 
Yeah, we're thinking about this 

606
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:52,600
is a, as a way of getting out of
that too. 

607
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,100
I don't know. 
There's a lot of I don't wanna 

608
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:55,800
go down the legal path of this 
conversation. 

609
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,700
Shoot, man, this guy's a lemon 
sky's the limit. 

610
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,300
Yeah. 
Well, awesome gym. 

611
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,500
I don't keep you on here too 
long, you get you got more bow 

612
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,500
sins products to make and labs 
to change. 

613
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,200
But what can people go to find 
out more about you and the 

614
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,700
product and get one of their 
interesting? 

615
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Yeah. 
So you can find that information

616
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,300
at my bio sense.com and they'll 
be all of our researchers on 

617
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,900
there and how we work with 
clinicians and such. 

618
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:25,300
So my bio sense.com and now look
forward to working with some of 

619
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:28,400
your readers to and listeners. 
Well, I will certainly get that.

620
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,100
I feel like my audience would be
all about. 

621
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,800
About tracking more data. 
For sure. 

622
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:34,000
Great. 
Thanks of time sir and I'll keep

623
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,400
in touch. 
Okay. 

624
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:36,800
Alright take care. 
Bye bye.