What's going on is James, Robert Sykes, kilo Savage.com.
And today I have special guest, Jim Howard.
He is the president and CEO of biosense.
Biosense is this new? It's a breathalyzer for ketones.
There's a bunch of different breathless on the market right
now, but this one is legit. They write the metabolic Health
Summit AT a booth set up. I went and used it several
times. They were kind of two similar
device. I've been tracking it this
entire week and I'm really impressed with it thus far, it
syncs with heads up Health, it syncs with all my other day.
Data data. So I can have all this
information at my fingertips, which I'm a huge fan of because
I'm all about the data. Now, this podcast, like all
podcasts are not sponsored. I'm not getting any Kickback
from gym or biosense. I just like the device I believe
in the company. I like what they're doing, they
hook me up with a discount code to give to Young the discount
code is Savage. That's going to save you 20
bucks at my bio sense.com. I don't get any Kickback from
that. I gave my portion to kick back
back to the company. Because I believe in what
they're doing and I feel like what they're creating is
something that could potentially help lots of people and that's
what it's all about. So without further Ado, sit back
relax and draw this podcast with Jim Howard.
Learn something about testing, your breath, ketones and enjoy.
Imagine, how are you, sir? Good, thank you for having me.
Thank you for being here. I'm excited about this because
you are the CEO and founder of biosense, which is the the
breathalyze incur testing device that I've been using this whole
past week. So I want to kind of dive into
that and flush that out in great detail for the audience here.
But before we do that, I want to kind of get into your bag store
man. Like why why Ketone why Ketone
meters wide a ketogenic diet? Like what brought you in the
first? Yeah.
At a personal level, my wife initially was involved.
She's a cancer survivor. She was losing some, some baby
weight type of thing Q, junk, that was very successful with
her. And then really, I would just
kind of helping her find a way that she could test multiple
times per day, you know. So she wasn't getting false
positives and then I adopted the diet myself, the protocol for
information purposes, you know, for running bad knees.
You know, you hear that a lot and it Helped immensely.
So I have a background in the with a number of Technologies in
the in a hospital space, including some of the
respiratory devices out there. And I was looking for really a
way that we could overlay that experience with technology that
would support the ketogenic diet.
So I was really fortunate to meet two Geniuses that had
developed this and we're in the process of doing research on the
device and that would happen. And it started working on this
about to Two years ago, so I met them a year ago.
One thing led to another and I became the CEO of the company
and we built built the company readout Health around the Bayou
Sense Technology. And then just commercialized it
actually got you. So you kind of fell into the
diet itself just like as a default way to improve your own
health. Having heard about it from your
wife's benefits, you know how long ago was that couple of
years prior to the yeah. But a year and a half ago is
when I really do of into the lower carb diet Not necessarily
the ketogenic diet but but certainly one that was similar,
that would be greeting ketones. So I keep them levels, were low,
hers were higher and then ultimately we just adopted the
same diet when I got involved with this project.
Okay. And it's a lifestyle for
forever. Well, I met y'all at the the
metabolic Health Summit. This year is like the only
conference that didn't get cancelled due to the virus and
y'all were you know we're just slammed with people at your
booth. Trying to get more information
about this thing. Yeah, it was a lot of fun that
was our clinical launch and the, the device itself had a very
warm reception and with 320 people test the device.
So high level of accuracy, a lot of people compared it to BHP
measurements. And, and we put, you know, we
think was positioned very well for that academic audience.
And but it's a consumer device as well as a clinical and
academic device. Catch Hank.
Actually, I want to talk about the, the the clinical trials
that had taken place. Based on this because this is
only Ketone devices had this degree of clinical trial
testing, right? That's right.
Can you kind of dive into that a little bit?
Yeah, sure. So, you know, this is a basis of
this. I think, in the especially in
the consumer world, when people think about breath, acetone or a
device that checks breath asked ketones in your breath, they
think of, well, it's kind of like you're in strips, just not
very accurate, and that is the truth.
That's how it's been in the past.
So lab measurements using meth. Back or gas chromatography, gas
chromatography. For example, are good ways that
you can do that in a lab, but there's not a portable way that
a consumer or a patient could use this.
So, so the, the trial that we did was really to, to prove that
there is a strong correlation throughout the day of breath,
acetone to BHP, and which the majority of consumers are using
either urine strips or they're using PHP capillary draws.
So those are Kind of the devices that most folks use.
So, we had a trial in St. Louis with 22 subjects, over a
two-week period, they pick their finger five times a day.
Using the Abbott's Precision extra device, which was we found
to be the most accurate when out there.
So based on that then they would take three breaths measurement
measurements. So over the course of 14 days
that resulted in over 1,300 data points and led to a paper that's
under peer review, right now is just published.
So That's really the basis of the technology and we proved a
couple really interesting things, quite frankly, one of
them, which only logical but people don't think about it all
that much. I certainly didn't was was the
fact that you know, multiple measurements per day are needed
and how do we know that we know that because when someone gets
up in the morning from a 12-hour fast or maybe you know, eight
hours of sleep, invest their Ketone levels are going to be
different than what they are later in the day.
So So the clinical trial showed that morning measurement for
example, the majority of subjects in the trial were more
than fifty percent away from their time-weighted average
Ketone levels. So if you just say your average
Ketone levels versus your morning measurement way off.
So it's a really poor reflection of what your ketogenic personal
journey is. And so really need about three
to five measurements regardless of what device you have.
Ours, or if you use it, where the capillary blood draw
devices. So that was one thing that we
proved and with those multiple measurements per day.
This is where the difference in the product really stems from.
Is we showed that through our patented technology of deep lung
sampling, which is using just the last bit of your, of your
breath. That's for your highest.
Concentrations are of compounds using just that breath and of
your breath. Boil the correlation to beach
view is very, very, very high. So it was a .83 coefficient
variation so that that's the clinical grade.
And so when you see the material about a medical-grade device
that it stems from that research, so other devices out
there that were breath Ketone devices.
They're not using to deep link sample.
They're not closed systems. Me, they're just sampling the
air around you and there's just a lot of limitations and how
that could be used, certainly not in the clinical.
You know, in a clinical way. So so we we brought this to
Market just in the end of it's right at the end of January,
right at MHS metabolic Health Summit.
Well, I've been just blown away with how how easy to use it is
like I tried the level device and not to talk down about them
by any means but it's just a larger device, it's cumbersome
and I was I was getting all these crazy readings or just a
lot of inconsistencies but with y'all's it made it just worked
right out of the box. And it's Except with heads of
Health, which is what I use to track all my metrics, like it
pulls in. Almond macro is my sinks with my
scale, so I can get my daily way in.
And now, I can sync that up with biosense, the the breath lysing
device that y'all are putting out.
So everything's all in one place.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's great.
And I think that especially something like, heads of Health
where you're tracking information all day, you know,
the buyer hacker crowd loves to to have multiple measurements.
So you know, whether it's Continuous glucose monitor or
our device, which is multiple measurements per day, you know,
you want to have all that in one place.
So, so that's, it's perfect for that Community.
But even in the weight loss side, you might have some
listeners that are really focused on on the ketogenic diet
or other protocols, where you're going into ketosis through,
caloric restriction, like fasting or whatever that is you
have to have feedback through the day if you want to have it
here instead to a protocol, and that's the difficult thing.
You know, if someone's just pricking their finger, Today, it
is not going to get that feedback to drive behavior and
you're not going to get the outcomes that you want.
So it's a struggle for some, but yeah.
So the the recognizing devices are definitely the newest and
probably least known on the market.
Currently, most people are familiar with the urine strips,
which if they've been adapted for any length of time.
They know that they don't really show an accurate reflection of
their their level of ketosis. And the blood tests, you know,
there are great, but they have their own limitations.
As well with regard to kind of comparing the blood test and the
breathalyzer is there are they pretty well correlated?
Are there any instances where like you might see in an
inverted correlation between the the breath in the blood?
Yeah that's that's actually a very good question.
I think it in general, it depends on the person obviously.
So the correlation any spot correlation mean, like just once
a day you're checking your blood versus your breath.
Most people, it's pretty close. Like our device would be 10
times what? Millimolar would be as if you're
one point out millimolar, you'll have a 10 cases an archive.
So most people are pretty shy. So sometimes the correlation
throughout the day and this is all on our website in our trial
paper. We expose that some people are
very, very close. Some lot of people tend to be a
little bit delayed in breath ketones, then blood ketones.
So it depends the one area where it's going to be, they're going
to go in different directions is exercise.
So if you're exercising, you get Have an increase typically you
have an increase in your breath ketones, whereas you're going to
have less circulating blood ketones circulated.
Body is use them when you're working out with Jonah Beach, be
check. So, this is the two are.
So I think that, you know, certainly for exercises argument
would be that breakfast is superior methodology of tracking
that Genji. And that's that's kind of
understand that. The main thing is getting me
fascinated by, you know, as an athlete, you're trying to
compare that because like, I would take a blood test, you
know, shortly after training or after a cardio session.
And I would notice a pretty significant dip in the Ketones.
And that was also wearing a CGM. At the time side, notice a
corresponding spike in blood glucose, you know, post training
for about like 30 minute window, post training and I've been
playing around with the, the breathalyzer just this past
weeks around a ton of data. But it seems that I noticed much
higher readings within about that 30 minutes to 1 hour, you
know, post training window, right?
Right? So, you know, your you have
Dynamic ketones, like many people do and that's the key.
Thing. So you want to be tracking this
after your workout track before and after a meal to see exactly
what the impact at a meal level is as opposed to just once a day
and then they certainly extends to Ketone elevation in a state
of fasting so fast in ketosis or you know, that's a good way to
also use the device to is checking that every hour or so.
To see if you get your that level of ketosis.
That's ideal for a top-tier whatever your target is.
There's one Found out there that suggests that the longer your
adapted, the lower, your blood ketones are going to Trend
because your body just gets more efficient at up, taking those
Ketone bodies into the cells, they're not going to be in the
bloodstream to be, you know, measured via a blood test.
Do you notice any correlation there with like length of
adaptation and the readouts on the breathalyzer?
You know, I, since the products just in the market, I think that
we'd need a lot more data, you know, from our, you know,
hundreds of thousands of users, the That we anticipate having
here in the next year, but it's just time will tell but, you
know, we're looking at a lot of different things for our
upcoming clinical trials and evaluating information like that
with some of our clinical Partners.
That's that's an interesting one right there.
So from like a clinical standpoint because most of your
you know, direct work has been done in the hospital tried in
the clinical settings, not so much in the consumer sector.
What are you seeing like just, you know into the future, what
do you expect? What Are we excited about?
I guess as far as the company is concerned.
Yeah, that's a that's a that's a fun idea to think about
actually, is the company started the project with Tim and Matt
ratto. The two Founders Timmy, the Bay
Area is a breath expert. A sensing expert, and Matt rat
is at the University of Toronto. And the twin brothers when they
when we first started working on the project and I got involved,
you know, we're working with a very large virtual Clinic
treating diabetes and as a way to kind of fill a technology
Gap, but the fact of the matter is the majority of the patients.
Right now being treated with nutritional ketosis, you know,
be a neurological disorders, or obesity or diabetes, their
consumers or so really, it's a unique space that we're in.
Is that? Yes, we're clinically oriented.
We have a medical grade product that focuses on chronic diseases
but there's a lot of people that have that fit that bill their
consumers. Meaning that, you know, maybe
the clinician saying, hey, just need to go get something to
check your ketones and they're on their own.
So, so we, I think the future holds for us is that our
technology, our core technology that's patented allows us to
bring other devices to Market that use breath.
Sampling. And there are a number of those
out there right now, but none of them can have that high level of
accuracy. That only comes with the Deep
lung sampling technology that we have.
So that's the secret sauce that we The codon.
And, yeah, so this this could extend to other chronic diseases
to. So, you're talking about
applications outside of just testing for ketones and right.
Yes. So that what are some, what are
some examples that? Because I'm pretty ignorant when
it comes to anything outside. Yeah, this is other there's a
lot of other devices that could, you know, device applications
methane hydrogen carbon dioxide Co for for smoking cessation is
an example. So there's a Applications and
there are some devices out there they're not going to be have
that level of accuracy that we have but those are areas that we
could focus on if we choose to. But I think you know, others
that were really looking at right now, is a deep
understanding of the psychological side of this to
behavioral aspect of weight management protocols and beefing
that up to. So we're spending a lot of time
on looking at the various options that we have to expand
you know and touch on a lot of different.
Ain't there, it's not just Ketone levels.
Then that brings an interesting scenario to the table to because
I feel like a large, I mean I think honestly if you look at
obesity so much of it stems from like the psychological aspect
of, you know, food consumption and one doubt look in perception
of food. As this reward, you know,
feedback loop that becomes this negative feedback loop.
I feel though that if they had a tech, like a method, such as
testing their breath ketones, I was giving them, you know, real
time, instant feedback as to, you know, this this response to
what they're putting into their body that may be enough to kind
of sway them against, you know, overindulging in a certain food.
That's not going to bring them closer towards a healthier
nutritional path, you know? Yeah.
Because I mean it's a little bit
of a big brother thing where you've got a device.
It's you know fits in the palm of your hand and weighs just a
couple ounces and you know that that's going to give you your
level of fat burn right there all day long.
If you wanted to 20 times a day unlimited measurements, right?
Sound like you're paying for each measurement when you have
that feedback and maybe let's use that example is an obese
patient. It's really tough.
You know the majority of those patients and obesity Clinic they
are. They've been trying everything,
everything everything and nothing ever really works
because they're using a scale, you know, they got water weight.
That's fluctuating, they don't feel great about themselves and
it's just difficult and I think a lot of the Position just kind
of give up on it. Like, hey, here's medication for
your diabetes. Here is a protocol that you
should try and do you really believe it's going to work again
because if nothing has in the past, but if you could have
some, some type of tool wear one of them, there's others other
protocol to, you could tool, it's giving you feedback all day
long and maybe you just your first step is I need to get my
key tones up and get into a state of fat burn.
You know it might take three days to lose a pound that's
fine. You get these numbers.
Is it becomes a little addictive like hey want to check again,
want to check again and and people can then start to design
their behavior to do what results in that Ketone elevation
and they will see results from that.
You know, as we all know, if you you're in ketosis and you're
getting that type of feedback you're going to burn fat
especially from the ketogenic diet or some of the other ones
that are, you know, put you well into ketosis.
Yeah. Yeah.
I definitely like the idea of having the ability to track
metrics outside and Scale weight alone.
I feel like, you know, people villainize the scale, which I
don't think is right either. I mean, it's just giving you a
number, you don't need to embrace that in and then act
upon it accordingly. But having metrics outside the
scale, just gives you more more of an Arsenal to work with.
Do you notice any any correlation with regard to the
consumption of Exotics ketones? Like you know, if I take in
Ketone solid Chiquito Nestor I see a pretty substantial spike
in my blood. Ketones is that also going to
hold true with the Eliezer it can.
But you know, the one thing if you take bah, bah, bah, be Kita,
exemptions Tito. It's going to be a little longer
than it would probably be with blood, you know, because it's
BHP. Yeah.
So you're going to get the same type of elevation, you know, I
particularly, I don't respond that.
Well, to those, I respond better to Fat higher fat intake, like
your keto brick that I've been chomping on a low Peak, you
know, but everyone's a little bit different.
So, Yeah, I'm curious man. Have you noticed just since
you've been playing around the keto brick has every noticed me.
Corresponding increase in your Ace levels.
Yeah, I have and, you know, I'm one of those people that can't
find enough fat you try to fit in and and I got to be really
careful about that for, so I don't lose weight and I been
noticing that throughout the week.
I've been checking my ketones with the key tobruk and
certainly there's If it's provided that balance where it's
a more reliable elevated. Ketone, has posed to me
forgetting about that fat intake because I just can't find the
right food. So so I found that it's a kind
of a reliable way to really stabilize my Ketone targets with
that highly accessible and very tasty.
And there's not a commercial here, but I'm saying is taste
really good. So that was the problem of
having too much, but answer your question.
Yes, it's I found it very helpful for me.
Okay, it's interesting. Out with it comes from the keto
brick or not. I feel like people that eat a
higher fat version of Quito because now there's like a
million different versions of Quito.
Whereas in the beginning it was just pretty much cut and dry but
a lot of people will argue that if you're eating a lot of
dietary fats you're going to have these higher Ketone levels
but it's going to inhibit your body's ability to burn stored
fat, you know, adipose tissue. But so many people that are so
much context that needs to be brought to the light there.
There's a lot of people that are just starting to ketogenic diet.
They're not coming from a high-fat protocol and then they
drastically cut their fat intake because they hear some keto Guru
saying that, but then their bodies not yet adapted to using
and burning body fat. So you kind of have to learn and
adapt yourself to the higher fat ratio prior to, you know,
prioritizing that that stored body fat loss.
That makes any sense. Absolutely.
Yeah. So you know I wouldn't recommend
you know very highest fat diet for that Cardiology patient and
There's a lot of it is right now being treated nutritional
ketosis as of the heart's ability in the brain's ability
to use that source of energy, so efficiently, but yeah, it's to
each his own. I'm curious, man with you kind
of interacting so much in the clinical setting.
What's, what is the vibe that you're picking up on, like, as
it relates to the future of Quito in the first place?
Like I got an interesting perspective as an influence from
the space and as a content creator, Sir, but I'm curious to
see, kind of what your your perspective isn't.
What you're picking up on, just based off of, you know,
listening and talking and interacting with people in the
clinical setting. Yeah.
Well, it's probably the impact of all of you folks out there in
the consumer world that, like, people are talking about it so
much that, you know, some point, these clinicians are going to
hear it from their patients like so many patients that.
Hey I'm on the ketogenic diet. Look at the impact on diabetes
or obesity. They have to listen.
So you know, a lot of Our engagement.
Well, I can break in our engagement into different
groups. The first one is, is the
academic setting. So we work with big Pharma and
we've got three other clinical trials, starting at academic
centers where that is nutritional ketosis targeting a
specific chronic disease. We've got two upcoming and
cancer. One, is another one in obesity
and they're just, they have to have some non invasive, highly
accurate way to do this. That's horrible.
So we're the only device that checks those boxes.
So the other side of this is the in clinic use and we've got
clinics like three Health up in Washington state, and a number
of other ones that have been contacting Us in the past few
weeks, we're starting to get set up and that works out really
well, especially with heads up Health integration but that
allows us to, you know, provide for their you know, remote
patients or patients that are starting to come back now
because of it, you know, the Restrictions being lifted, it
allows them to have feedback from their patients, to know
exactly what the fat burn level is and their patients.
So if you think about that like taking a one measurement per
day, it's not very helpful for Clinic, you don't know what's
happening to your patient. So if you can see that there's
Trends throughout the day and then Coach appropriately, and
this really hits spot on for coaches, ketogenic coaches to
is, if you can see that throughout the day and look at
these Trends, you really can address some of the behaviors
that might be causing, you know, some of the issues, if it's
weight gain or whatever it is. But you have to have that
information, no data, no action. So that's that's where we said,
yeah. Feel like I don't know.
For me, I'm very much data driven.
They don't worry in it. And I feel like there's two
trains of thought they're like so many people are, you know,
quick to say that you just need to not.
Look at any numbers, not track any metrics, not track your
Macros, not track your Take your cloak expense or anything and it
just be totally intuitive with it.
And I think if you're going to be intuitive, the ketogenic diet
is great for that because it allows you to kind of tap into
what your body's giving you is feedback without having to rely
so heavily on the numbers. But at the same time, if there's
a specific goal that you're trying to reach and you're not
there yet, turning a blind eye to that.
That data is just ignorance and stupidity.
I'm in my opinion you're right you know a good example of that
is in fasting where You know, everyone's doing intermittent
fasting seemingly at least on the coast you and I live in the
midwest, we don't see it that much in our friends and family,
but certainly, it's very, very popular on the coast.
And interestingly, there's hey, Mike, I'm gonna do a 36 hour
faster. I'm doing X Y, 36, verses 30.
What's the point of that need to think about?
It's like I'm trying to get my body into a position where
there's either going to be cell regeneration or whatever.
That is at apogee is my I never went Target.
Well, that comes with a level of ketosis, not necessarily just
hours so hot, but it's ours because how else you going to
tell, you know, prick your finger every 30 minutes to see
those elevations. And you see some people doing
that, you know. But yeah it's it.
You want to have that feedback and you want to be able to be
able to react to it. Well it gives you it.
I mean it gives you a leg to stand on.
I feel like so many of these psychological you know, eating
disorders and just You know, - relationships with, you know,
training and fasting and all of it really is just a result of
both, you know, uncertainty. And if you at least have the
numbers, you have the, the data, then you can see, what is
positive, what is negative? As a result of your stimulus,
your input and then you can adjust accordingly, like, like I
always tell my clients, you know, don't get mad at this
scale. Like it's just telling you what
what what feedback has been given based off of the
manipulations in the levers? We pull, we don't look at that
as good or bad information. Just simply information, then
you can adjust accordingly. Exactly.
You gotta watch out for this scale because if you're building
muscle mass, obviously in Europe, you losing is losing fat
or any fad. You're not naturally gonna be
losing weight, right? Exactly.
Yeah. And there was time of my life,
man, where I was I was ecstatic when ever.
I saw that scale go up like every every time I saw another
pound on them like man I'm just getting jacked but it's probably
a lot more body fat than I wanted to admit but that's what
I thought at the time. Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, very cool, man. I'm definitely excited about
what you got going on here with the, with the company with the
product. Because like I said, this is not
a sponsored podcast by any means, but I believe in what
you're doing because it's, it has so many direct applications
to both the clinical setting and the consumer side and for me as
a performance athlete, like it just gives me a lot of
information that I would not normally have and it gives it to
me in a different different light than I'm getting from just
a, you know, a blood test or urine.
Test in the fact that it does integrate with, you know, heads
up else, I'm getting on my macro data in there.
All my exercise that in there that could just gives me a lot
of information and I'm a freak about information.
Yeah. Yeah it also integrates with
sends chronometer life extend and life fasting.
So there's a number of ways that you can use whatever apps that
you currently do. Is there any other like what
generation of the biosense product?
We on now is just like pretty much first generation.
Yeah, these I mean we have made dozens and dozens of
enhancements since our launch based on user feedback, you
know, it's Bluetooth enabled with an app.
So you know, we've made this as easy as possible.
So it's, I would say it's still the primary version 1, but on
software, we're constantly upgrading that to make it
really, really easy. So, that's the key component.
I do have a question on. I got you on here so I can get
my device, I've got it synced up with all of my You know,
wearables and tracking one not, is there a way that I can have
other people like my wife, for instance, have her tested and
then it not add to my dad? Yes, there is a delete
measurement feature. So, this is a, you know, it's a
single user device. However, if you want to share it
with with your fan that we get that request a lot, you know?
Hey, my wife and I are both on this for my husband.
Yes, you can delete your form your most recent measurement, so
it's not going to mess with. The trends that it's showing you
and, you know, everything's about the trend, the Valley of
the device is to show your Ketone level Trends.
So it won't impact that catchy catchy.
That's good to know because I haven't, I've had her one, the
trial, but I've pushed her away until I had you on the podcast.
Yeah, you can do that and then you can share it to.
I mean, there's a sharing feature, you know, if you're not
using an integrated system, like heads up help you can, you know,
certainly just click a couple of buttons on there and there's
share your measurements by day by week.
You know, if a health coach, you know, if the coaches just not is
only focusing on ketones. But that's a pretty cool thing
that a lot of the clinical Community seems to to, like as
well. Got ya, got ya, is there like a
recommended, you know, 24-hour, protocols far as like wake up
test train test. Like, if you were to test, you
know, five to ten times a day. What are the the recommended
times to test is one better than the other in your opinion.
Yeah, I think in a very general way would be, you know,
Personally, I think publicly, we say, three to four measurements
a day, the more measurements you have, the better your curve,
just some more resolution in it. So I would say, you know, before
breakfast, you know, mid morning after, you know, hour after
lunch type of thing and then, you know, an evening measurement
to we're going to bed. So again, for five a day is
pretty good. Just really depends on people's
schedules. And I saw in the directions, is
it recommended not testing during the same, You know,
24-hour a tower block of drinking alcohol.
I'm assuming that if you have a blood alcohol content, that's
also going to show on the breathalyzer as I guess.
It's going to be picked up as a ketone reading, right?
Yeah, I can really show elevated measurements.
So what you want to do with alcohol, take care.
If you're going out on Friday night for a few beers or a wine,
whatever that is, just take your measurement before that and then
wait till the next day. Now, if you're, you know, if you
have a lot of alcohol, breath the next day, we your And don't
say, even if apparently it's going to impact that too.
So, but normally normal consumption.
You're fine. Just make sure you do it before
him and on that topic, if you're not even drinking like if you
just are deeply adapted your do like a week-long faster,
something and you get popped and and tested from a police officer
for driving and drinking. You would also pop on their
breathalyzers. Will you not?
It's possible. I've heard that I have not done
testing with a alcohol, left light up.
Professional grade one minute, it's big company in st.
Louis here. We should probably check that
they're the number one manufacturer of those is here.
So I'll ask them to do a test, will shoot me and I could see, I
could see police officers carrying around this mile since
device here in the future. Yeah, we're thinking about this
is a, as a way of getting out of that too.
I don't know. There's a lot of I don't wanna
go down the legal path of this conversation.
Shoot, man, this guy's a lemon sky's the limit.
Yeah. Well, awesome gym.
I don't keep you on here too long, you get you got more bow
sins products to make and labs to change.
But what can people go to find out more about you and the
product and get one of their interesting?
Yeah. So you can find that information
at my bio sense.com and they'll be all of our researchers on
there and how we work with clinicians and such.
So my bio sense.com and now look forward to working with some of
your readers to and listeners. Well, I will certainly get that.
I feel like my audience would be all about.
About tracking more data. For sure.
Great. Thanks of time sir and I'll keep
in touch. Okay.
Alright take care. Bye bye.