1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,700 What's going on? Ladies and gents, Robert Sykes? 2 00:00:01,700 --> 00:00:03,000 Keto, Savage.com. Today. 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 I've got special guest, Doug, Bertram on the line. 4 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,900 He is an expert when it comes to Eastern medicine. 5 00:00:07,900 --> 00:00:11,400 Chinese medicine specifically when it comes to Fashion 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,500 training and working on improving Mobility. 7 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:17,100 Improving the parasympathetic nervous system. 8 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:21,600 I've taken a keen interest towards improving, my recovery 9 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:24,400 and just setting myself up for Success when it comes to 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,200 training hard and then being able to recover after that 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,800 training. So this podcast was especially 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,900 interesting for me. That's something that I feel 13 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:33,800 like everybody should probably spend more time, optimizing and 14 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,800 improving. So, I've got no doubt that you 15 00:00:35,808 --> 00:00:38,000 will take something from this conversation without further 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,900 Ado, sit back, relax. Enjoy the podcast with Doug 17 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:52,200 and we are live. Doug. 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,400 How are you brother? I'm doing great yourself. 19 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:55,700 I'm good, man. I'm good. 20 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:59,700 So you are a licensed acupuncturist, correct? 21 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:05,099 Yeah, that is something that you know, think about acupuncture. 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,000 Yeah. Well, you know, I'm going to 23 00:01:07,008 --> 00:01:10,800 start by just telling you a little bit about my my issue 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,700 with with being a licensed acupuncturist is it's really 25 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,000 misleading. You know, I like to think of 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,900 myself more as a doctor of Chinese medicine and the way 27 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:24,000 that we're licensed in the states is as an acupuncturist, 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,200 but it really doesn't give credibility to the full scope of 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,100 Education. That we, you know undergo and we 30 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:36,400 learn exercise science. I do a lot of manual therapy and 31 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,800 manipulations. We learn all kinds of stuff 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,700 about diet and we learn all kinds of stuff about, you know, 33 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:47,300 the body systems in general and acupuncture is just a tool, 34 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:49,000 right? That's in our scope of practice 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,600 but to be defined by that. Licensure, I think it is 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,900 misleading. So a lot of people don't really 37 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:57,700 understand the profession because we're kind of a, I 38 00:01:57,700 --> 00:02:02,000 always say, it's like a calling His killer from the The French 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,900 Laundry a spatula, Chef, right? It just doesn't really, you 40 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:08,400 know, it doesn't really capture the the full, you know, spectrum 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,700 of the education. Why is that nomenclature 42 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,600 categorizes such like, why do they try and put you in that box 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,300 as just simply an acupuncturist? Yeah. 44 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:24,900 I think it's basically that it's the main tool that that, you 45 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:29,700 know, is publicly recognized in Chinese medicine. 46 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:34,800 And the other thing is historically, there has been a 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,900 tremendous spectrum of quality of education. 48 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:47,300 So some schools that only meet the national requirement really. 49 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:50,100 Don't focus on all aspects of Chinese medicine. 50 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:52,600 They really do. Just focus on the acupuncture. 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,900 More of almost a technical trade, right? 52 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:59,000 Of your memorizing, these points and it's almost like, you know, 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,600 kind of like somebody who's trained to do facials, but isn't 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,300 really trained and learning all about different aspects of skin. 55 00:03:07,900 --> 00:03:12,700 But the training that I underwent was in California and 56 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:16,100 California as do a few other states like Florida and New 57 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:19,400 York, they have their own board requirements and actually 58 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:22,000 something called the Hoover Commission in California. 59 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:25,800 Acupuncturist are considered Primary Care Providers, right? 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,400 And especially in the eyes of workman's comp and things like 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,800 that, so that the education is like double or triple of what 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,800 you know, some therapist might be receiving and just 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,300 acupuncture trading and more of a technical schooling. 64 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:43,700 So, you know, there's there's a big Spectrum in terms of the 65 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:46,000 number of hours. But yet we all get kind of 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,500 lumped together in terms of relationship, which I think is, 67 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,200 you know, unfortunate and hopefully you know, what, Change 68 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,200 soon. I want to dive into the weeds of 69 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,400 Eastern medicine, Chinese medicine. 70 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,400 But before we do that, can you kind of just Define acupuncture 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,000 and what it is at a high level? Yeah, definitely. 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,700 Acupuncture literally is, the placing of needles puncturing at 73 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:12,600 a specific spot, which is the Accu part of it. 74 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:16,000 Okay, and it means nothing more. A lot of times, people think 75 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,899 that acupuncture means the practice of Chinese medicine and 76 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:22,700 that you're doing acupuncture for a particular. 77 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:26,800 Reason like balancing the organ. So, you know, are balancing what 78 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,700 people call the chief low and things like that. 79 00:04:28,700 --> 00:04:32,100 But acupuncture is just simply puncturing the skin in a 80 00:04:32,108 --> 00:04:36,200 particular spot and and I'll kind of take the liberty of 81 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,900 diving into another little topic, which is, what is the 82 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:42,300 difference between dry needling and acupuncture because there's 83 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:43,800 a lot of confusion there as well. 84 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:46,700 And ultimately man dry, needling, and acupuncture are 85 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:50,600 the exact same thing. The term dry needling came from 86 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:54,100 when you're doing studies to look at, The effectiveness of 87 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:56,600 injection therapy. You need a control group. 88 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,900 So the control group is, is needling the point, but without 89 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,200 injecting any substance and they call that a dry needle and they 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,300 realize that, you know, in studies that there's a lot of 91 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:08,300 effectiveness of releasing trigger points with the dry 92 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:11,000 needle and you don't necessarily need to inject anything. 93 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:15,800 But because a hypodermic needle, you know, as Halo and it's got a 94 00:05:15,808 --> 00:05:18,100 beveled Edge, there's more bruising, there's more risk of 95 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,600 infection. So they started using solid 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,700 filiform, needles, which are acupuncture needles. 97 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,800 The so acupuncture and dry needling. 98 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Exact same thing. Why you dry needle or why you 99 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,200 perform acupuncture can be a number of different things. 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,200 So in our practice, we retain needles and we put them in to 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,100 release what's called focal adhesions that form in the 102 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:42,200 connective tissue. And we're very much looking at 103 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,100 the connective tissue is our primary mechanism of effecting 104 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:48,500 change. I have done dry needling. 105 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,100 Once I was like, my good friend, Adam. 106 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:55,800 His wife is a Therapist. And she was doing the cupping on 107 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,600 damn big in myself and also the the dry needling and she said, 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,500 the dry needling right around my traps which are notorious for 109 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:06,200 being just incredibly tight and it was the strangest thing. 110 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,000 Men, like you put the needles in and then all of a sudden you'd 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,500 see the entire muscle spasm, but then it would be like relax. 112 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:13,100 So I'm assuming that's the, the goal there. 113 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,700 Yeah, that's, that's the goal of what we call trigger point dry 114 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:19,800 needling, you know, which is ultimately to facilitate a 115 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,400 contraction relaxation response in the muscle. 116 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,900 And in order to do that, you need to hit What's called the 117 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:28,100 neuromuscular bundle that causes that contraction relaxation 118 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:31,400 response, which is very effective at trying to reduce 119 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:37,800 the tone of a muscle that is in spasm or in a constant state of 120 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,000 hypertonicity. That's not the majority of why 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,700 we placed needles in the body, right? 122 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:47,300 We're really focused on two layers of connective tissue or 123 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:50,300 two muscles, that should Glide past one another that are 124 00:06:50,308 --> 00:06:52,300 sticking together for a number of different. 125 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:57,700 Reasons but acupuncture needle, especially when you twist it and 126 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:00,500 get fibers to wrap around the shaft of the needle. 127 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,200 It's really effective in causing the body to secrete like a 128 00:07:04,207 --> 00:07:07,200 lubricating substance that restores that tissue glide back 129 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,600 between the muscle layers. So that's really important for 130 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,900 restoring function. And you know, we will do points 131 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:16,200 that you know, are geared towards getting that twitch 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,300 response, but that might be, you know, one out of you know, 50 133 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:22,200 needles or something like that that were placing. 134 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,100 Is there like a like a like when people go in for acupuncture 135 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,800 treatment? Are they trying to focus on a 136 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,000 specific body part generally? Or is it just kind of all over? 137 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,100 I've seen some pictures or people look like pin cushions. 138 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:35,400 They got them all their entire back and legs and everywhere. 139 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,700 Yeah, exactly. I I kind of go back and forth. 140 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:41,000 Yo, sometimes I think that's because the therapist doesn't 141 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,400 have much confidence in their assessment. 142 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,000 Right? So they're just kind of, you 143 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 know, throwing darts into the are hoping that, that's 144 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,500 something sticks. You know, I use very few needles 145 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:55,300 by comparison to Allah. Therapist again, acupuncture 146 00:07:55,300 --> 00:08:00,700 being just a tool, we focus on Orthopedics and body alignment 147 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:03,100 and functional movements restoration. 148 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,600 But there are there are doctors of Chinese medicine or their 149 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,900 acupuncturists that might focus on fertility or they might focus 150 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:16,300 on allergies or they might focus on, you know, you know, cancer 151 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,300 support, you know, when people are going through chemo and 152 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:21,400 things like that. So it really is all over the 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,700 map. Just like you have. 154 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Have, you know, Western doctors that specialize in things all 155 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,500 across the board. The same is true in our field 156 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:32,500 and but our focus at structural elements and what I've been 157 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:36,900 doing for 27 years is working on aligning, the body for optimal 158 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:39,299 function and an increased performance. 159 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:40,500 Gotcha. Gotcha. 160 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:44,500 What is the primary difference between eastern and western 161 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:46,500 medicine? Like, if there was to be a 162 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:48,600 division there? What would that would that would 163 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,300 that stem that division? So I think at a really high 164 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:56,400 level You're going to talk about like, you know, like Define your 165 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:59,900 what camp Western medicine is versus Eastern medicine at a 166 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:01,700 high level. I would think the biggest 167 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:04,200 difference is in Western medicine. 168 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,300 They tend to separate and divide the body into parts. 169 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:11,700 And in eastern medicine. We tend to group things together 170 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:14,500 and look at systems is the biggest difference. 171 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,200 Got you. I got you. 172 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,300 So people that are I want to generalize here too much. 173 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:24,500 But but when you go to a doctor hospital for any Ailment in most 174 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:26,200 western medicine circles, they're going to give you a 175 00:09:26,208 --> 00:09:30,600 specific drug or treatment for that very acute instance, but 176 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,600 not really. Look at how it's all intertwined 177 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,200 together and I can I can speak most competently about, you 178 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,000 know, the field of Orthopedics, because that's my specialty. 179 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:43,400 So just let's just, you know, not even tackle Western medicine 180 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,400 as a whole. But let's just look at, you 181 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:50,000 know, say physical therapy and in the insurance world of, you 182 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,300 know, conventional Outpatient Care. 183 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,500 You are going to get a script for so many visits based on the 184 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,600 diagnosis which includes a body part. 185 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,800 Okay, and so so say you're coming in to me with a diagnosis 186 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,700 for plantar, fasciitis. And in that world. 187 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:11,600 I have to focus on your foot, right? 188 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:16,300 And in our world, I might look at something completely other 189 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:19,000 than your foot. I might look at the head forward 190 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,800 posture and I might look at the internal rotation of your 191 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,700 shoulders. And say until we correct this be 192 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:28,900 can't offload the the stress on the bottom of your foot. 193 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:33,600 So, you know, if if that's where the solution is, I have the 194 00:10:33,608 --> 00:10:38,800 liberty of treating that if you go to a traditional PT clinic, 195 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,500 and our billing through insurance, and they say, well, I 196 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:45,300 think the problem is coming from your posture and we have to work 197 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:47,800 on your head and neck. You have to go get a new script 198 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,400 for that and treat it separate to the plantar fasciitis that 199 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,800 you came in with. And I just That that's a 200 00:10:53,808 --> 00:10:56,400 head-scratcher for me. It's not how I see the body and 201 00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:00,400 I don't think it's maximizing Effectiveness, when you can't 202 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,600 look at the system as a comprehensive, you know, 203 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,200 intelligent, you know, unit that works together and you start 204 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,200 looking at things as a series of parts. 205 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,100 I think you miss a lot of the continuity. 206 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:15,700 How did you recognize that difference between the the the 207 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:19,500 ways of thinking I guess and recognize that you wanted to go 208 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:21,500 the route of Chinese medicine Eastern medicine. 209 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,000 Well, I got so my background I started as a massage therapist 210 00:11:27,100 --> 00:11:30,600 and I had a honestly, man. I'm really smart guy come into 211 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,600 my life. When I was a junior in high 212 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,200 school, who's my track coach. And when it came time for 213 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,200 college, he saw that I really loved anatomy and I really, you 214 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,500 know, we have this like athletic training course that he taught. 215 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:45,500 I like really like, you know, soaking up everything I could 216 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:47,100 there and he came up with the idea. 217 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:49,300 He was like, well if you know, you want to do something in 218 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:52,100 Physical Medicine, whether that's Physical Therapy, you 219 00:11:52,108 --> 00:11:55,300 know, be North Surgeon to come chiropractor, whatever. 220 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:58,700 It might be, he was like, why don't you go to massage school 221 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,800 before you go to college? And that way, you can work in 222 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,300 different environments and you can kind of see what you're 223 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,200 interested in and you have a trade that would allow you to 224 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,400 make an honest wage while you're pursuing higher education. 225 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,600 Instead of, you know, you know, waiting tables or, you know, 226 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,400 working at a coffee shop and I was like, you know, it just made 227 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,300 a lot of sense to me at the time. 228 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,400 And so I did that and then immediately following 229 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:24,000 graduation. I'm from massage school. 230 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,500 I went and started studying myofascial work. 231 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:32,800 So in this was back in like, you know, 1994 started working with 232 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,700 connective tissue and at that time people, you know, had no 233 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:40,000 idea what facha was and how it functions and they all thought 234 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,200 we were crazy. Now, your National Geographic, 235 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,300 you know, posted that Fosters the largest organ in the body, 236 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:50,400 you know, so it's come a long way in the in the 27 years that 237 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,300 I've been in practice but But yeah, it's just, you know, I'm 238 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,300 from from moment one. I really kind of had an 239 00:12:56,300 --> 00:13:00,600 orientation of this connective tissue, that connects everything 240 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,800 together appropriately named. This is a little bit of a 241 00:13:03,808 --> 00:13:05,500 selfish question of me being a bodybuilder. 242 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,800 But is there a way to stimulate the fashion? 243 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,000 I've heard of like a FST 7. Basically, it's faster stretch 244 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,800 training in which your training in a way that you're doing high 245 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,000 volume, High repetition, work to really maximize blood flow and 246 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,600 stretch that faucet issue to allow room. 247 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:26,000 Umm, for more growth. Is there like have you seen that 248 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,800 play out in your practices that make practical sense? 249 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:34,900 Yeah. I think I think there are yes 250 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:38,100 and no, okay. They're so the facha is really 251 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:41,600 interesting. Fossa is comprised of a bunch of 252 00:13:41,608 --> 00:13:45,600 different types of collagen fibers and the types of collagen 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,400 fibers that will will form our in relation to, what sort of 254 00:13:50,408 --> 00:13:52,600 mechanical stress the tissue is placed. 255 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,700 So it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. 256 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:59,200 If you strain the tissue in a consistent Direction at a 257 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:06,200 consistent, you know, amount of pressure mechanical stress, you 258 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,900 will train that tissue to form a certain amount of tonus right 259 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:15,500 now in the world of bodybuilding or in the world of, you know, 260 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,100 football or, you know, contact Sports where you have a lot of 261 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:24,600 cutting and pivoting and act. You need your FAFSA to be 262 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,400 strong, right? You need that tissue to be 263 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,300 resilient and to be strong. It's you need the faucet to be a 264 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:36,700 little different. If your goal is to be a distance 265 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:41,800 Runner or to be, you know, an accomplished Yogi and, you know, 266 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,200 and being able to, you know, contort your body into different 267 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,200 positions. So, the role of the FAFSA is, is 268 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:53,600 a big factor in terms of adaptation of what She's good at 269 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,100 a particular, you know type of sport or a type of activity and 270 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:03,100 how we train to train the facha to support our goal and to 271 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:06,700 support the types of mechanical load that we're going to 272 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:11,900 introduce is is a critical part of adaptation makes sense. 273 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,500 Makes sense. So as a bodybuilder, if I'm, if 274 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:18,900 I am stretching that I'm going to get more growth potential 275 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:25,400 from maximizing blood flow under a consistent range of motion 276 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,500 than by simply lifting, very heavy for a singular repetition 277 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,400 or something of that nature that basically going to be more 278 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,400 stimulating to the facha with more of an in gorging blood rush 279 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,600 in that localized area. Yeah. 280 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,600 The blood flow is part of it and the other is just simply the 281 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,300 direction of mechanical strain. So if you consistently stressed 282 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:51,100 issue, you're going to ask it to form, denser fibrils that are 283 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:55,900 going to provide greater. Stiffness and and and the fossa 284 00:15:55,900 --> 00:16:00,600 is going to stabilize one muscle against its neighbor. 285 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:06,300 So if you're trying to do, you know, say a dead left, right? 286 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:09,500 And you're going to load different muscles throughout the 287 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:13,100 kinetic chain as you perform the functional move. 288 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,100 The fossa is going to be the choreographer in that. 289 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:21,400 It's going to sequence how that movement is able to happen as 290 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,000 one muscles. Pulling against its neighbor. 291 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,600 And if you don't have stability on What's called the 292 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,600 intramuscular SEPTA, if you don't have the ability for that 293 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,100 five sets of stiffened and how is those muscles, you're going 294 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:39,000 to tear a muscle, you're going to load tendon, you know, beyond 295 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,900 what it's capable of doing. So the fossa is plays a critical 296 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:46,800 role in in the training and blood flow is part of it, but 297 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,900 it's really the repetition and causing kind of simulating the 298 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:55,300 type of In that the tissue is going to be under so that you 299 00:16:55,300 --> 00:17:00,000 can stress the tissue and give it a chance to repair and 300 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,800 strengthen. So that that process, again, I 301 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,300 use the example. A lot of times. 302 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:07,800 We have a high school athletes that are that are playing 303 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:11,500 different sports and different seasons and you oftentimes will 304 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:16,500 see, super fit kids, get hurt as they go into the first, you 305 00:17:16,508 --> 00:17:19,099 know, a couple weeks of a new season and it's because they 306 00:17:19,099 --> 00:17:22,500 have the fitness, but they don't have the repetition yet. 307 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,000 Set of, you know, Court Sport, and cutting, you know, they've 308 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,400 just come from, you know, maybe, you know, attract season or 309 00:17:28,408 --> 00:17:30,400 cross country season or something like that. 310 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,300 And then they go to Accord Sport. 311 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:35,600 Now, they're pivoting and they haven't really given the tissue 312 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,800 a chance to adapt you. Right? 313 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,400 So but they have the fitness to go and really, you know, put the 314 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,100 time in makes sense makes sense. So I've taken a really Keen 315 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:50,500 interest lately into honestly just proactive Health like 316 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,500 working on my mobility of working on my flexibility. 317 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:58,200 Working on minimizing my, my physical stress, my mental 318 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,900 stress and just recovery optimizing recovery. 319 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:05,100 Basically, that's something I'm not naturally been very good at. 320 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:09,400 Like I'm kind of the guy that works out really hard, but then 321 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,800 it doesn't ever stretch. Doesn't ever do any type of cool 322 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:17,400 down or warm up any that stuff. So in putting more focus on 323 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,200 that. I've kind of been experimenting 324 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,500 with, you know, deep tissue massage Chiropractic work. 325 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,900 MobilityWorks stretching all that stuff if knowing what, you 326 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:28,800 know, and having been in all these different entities and 327 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,100 really got your hands and all of it. 328 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:33,400 Where would you say the most bang for the proverbial Buck? 329 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,400 Is if you have a limited amount of time to spend? 330 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,100 Where would you prioritize that time spent in different Mobility 331 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:42,800 practices? Yeah, I think that's, that's, 332 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,200 that's a, that's a good question. 333 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,900 You know, obviously I think tissue work, is, is a wonderful 334 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:51,700 thing to receive if you're working with a therapist. 335 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:52,900 That's really competent. Right. 336 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:54,500 So there's the Spectrum there as well. 337 00:18:54,500 --> 00:19:00,200 But you know, ultimately, if if I am looking for what is going 338 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,300 to be the most effective to help you recover from an effort. 339 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:09,500 There's a mechanism there that that has to be acknowledged. 340 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:13,000 And then you can talk about how to most effectively trigger this 341 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,900 mechanism. But the mechanism is, when you 342 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:20,400 are in a high demand situation, you need to be in a sympathetic 343 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,500 Drive, which is a high-stress situation. 344 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,500 Ation high stress response, but once you're in a low demand 345 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:30,400 situation where you're trying to rest and recuperate, you need 346 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,300 your nervous system to kick over into a parasympathetic mode. 347 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:39,200 And unfortunately, a lot of people stay in a sympathetic 348 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,400 Drive, they stay in a high stress response, even though 349 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,100 they're in a low stress situation, either due to 350 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:48,700 Performance anxiety because they're, you know, they're 351 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:51,600 really nervous about a competition that's coming up or, 352 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,400 you know, they're These workouts in between, you know, a busy 353 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,100 workday and between getting up early before the kids get up to 354 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,900 get their workout in and then there's like there's like go go 355 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:05,700 go go go and they're not taking the time to down regulate their 356 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:09,800 nervous system. This has the biggest consequence 357 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,400 in terms of metabolic factors that influence recovery. 358 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:16,900 If you are not getting into a parasympathetic State, you are 359 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:19,300 not getting good. Blood flow to the extremities. 360 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,100 You're not getting proper absorption of nutrients. 361 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,000 Not getting deep restful REM sleep, you know, you're going to 362 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:31,400 basically continue to tax your body when it's recovery time. 363 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,300 And and and this is going to catch up to you. 364 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,300 Now when we talk about the triggers of, how do you get the 365 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,500 sympathetic nervous system to relax and the parasympathetic 366 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:45,100 nervous system to kick on this does involve soft tissue 367 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:47,600 maintenance. This does involve stretching, 368 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,400 you know involved Mobility work that helps to get the hip 369 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,100 flexors to Soften and relax making sure that you're doing 370 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:58,000 some work that involves deep diaphragmatic breathing. 371 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:03,500 Making sure that you're not allowing the connective tissue 372 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:08,700 to adhere and lose, you know, the ability to communicate with 373 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:12,500 the rest of the system. This gets into factors that 374 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:16,100 really make a big difference over time when you're looking at 375 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,700 the sustainability of a high-performance athlete. 376 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:22,400 Gotcha, gotcha, so it's not it's not nearly as effective, too. 377 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:27,200 Have a great workout and then do some stretching afterwards. 378 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:30,800 If I'm super stressed out while stretching, if I'm thinking 379 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,200 about all these things. I'm like wired that's going to 380 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,700 drastically. Minimize the positive impact 381 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:40,600 that stretching could potentially provide if the 382 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,700 headspace and everything else isn't following suit. 383 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,800 Absolutely. And a lot of people, you know, 384 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,100 we've kind of gotten into this mentality because people have, 385 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:52,400 you know, the percussive massage tools, like the hyperbole to 386 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,200 They're gone or they're, you know, they've heard okay, foam 387 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,400 rolling. I got a foam roll. 388 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,800 I got a foam roll or use the lacrosse ball or, you know, some 389 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,400 of the massage tools that are out there. 390 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,900 A lot of people do so in a manner that's painful and it 391 00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:09,000 causes them to tighten up and it's actually triggering more 392 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,800 sympathetic response instead of, you know, backing off on the 393 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,900 amount of pressure that they're using so that it's not painful, 394 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:22,000 but just using enough pressure to pin tissue in place. 395 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:26,200 And then breathing into it and softening into it to go a little 396 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:32,000 bit deeper using that that tool as a fulcrum to, then, you know, 397 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,200 pin that tissue while you're doing an active range of motion, 398 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,300 you know, like for the calf, for instance, you know, find the 399 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,100 tender spot in the calf stack, the other foot on top of the 400 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:43,900 calf to create some downward pressure, but then you want to 401 00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:47,200 do, you know, Dorsey and plantar flexion and circumduction of the 402 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,500 Foot and Ankle to soften and organize. 403 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:53,100 Those fibers, that's going to be the mechanism that actually You 404 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,200 know, gets organization back to the tissue and restores 405 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,700 Mobility. A lot of people just push right 406 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,000 through that to where it's painful and everything is 407 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,900 tightening up and they cut off from their breath and now guess 408 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:05,400 what? You're really not being very 409 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,700 effective. Yeah. 410 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,400 I'm assuming with you being in this as long as you have and you 411 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,300 kind of just seen how things play out over time with the ease 412 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:19,200 of being technologically connected in our current day and 413 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,200 age. It's made people's ability to 414 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,200 Return to that. Parasympathetic State just 415 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,300 insurmountably more difficult than it was 15 years ago. 416 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:32,200 Yeah, man, we're counts. We, if we have constant access 417 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,400 to stimulus, right? It's like you really have to 418 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,500 carve out with a lot of thought and intention to remove yourself 419 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:43,200 from stimulation. You know, I mean, you depending 420 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,100 upon who you talk to, they'll even say that the emfs that your 421 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,600 Wi-Fi, you know, kicks off our, you know, stimulating your 422 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,700 system while you're trying to sleep and don't sleep with your 423 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:53,900 phone, right? You and you know, different 424 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:57,300 types of light spectrum. I mean, it depends on how deep 425 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:01,000 you want to go into it and how you know highly sensitive you 426 00:24:01,008 --> 00:24:04,000 want to get but even just putting your phone down and 427 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,400 taken a minute, you know on the hour or something like that to 428 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,400 do some deep diaphragmatic breaths. 429 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:13,500 It'll reset the nervous system so that you can, you know, kind 430 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:19,100 of keep up with the demand of your day, you know, I talk 431 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:22,000 about, I use this as an example, a lot and it's convenient right 432 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,700 now with You know, March Madness and stuff just having happen but 433 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:31,900 the the idea of, you know, being at the free throw line with two 434 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:35,900 seconds left on the game clock and you know, being super 435 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:39,000 stressed out and just saying, hey, I need a minute and going 436 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,200 to half court and meditating for 10 minutes is is ridiculous. 437 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Right? You're going to you're going to 438 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,100 Center. You're going to take a deep 439 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,500 breath. You're going to do a postural 440 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:50,600 shift and you're going to Center yourself and balance, and that 441 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,400 balance is actually calming the nervous. 442 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:55,900 System, that allows you to focus and take the shot. 443 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,800 And so, you know, it's not just the what we do after the 444 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,500 workout. It's what we do between sets. 445 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,900 It's what we do right before we're going to, you know, go for 446 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:07,700 a PR lift, its, you know, it happens in real time or we have 447 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,800 these little moments of reset, but then when we're not in a 448 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,600 high demand, high stress situation, yes, we need to go 449 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,400 and just lay flat on our back and and put our feet up and do 450 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,500 some deep diaphragmatic breathing and try to get that 451 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,800 parasympathetic. System to kick in so that we're 452 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,100 able to maximize our recovery time. 453 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:32,400 I think this the the importance of this really manifests itself 454 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,900 to me when I recognize that you like for me is a body but I'm 455 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,800 tracking macros and tracking what I'm eating and I'm just 456 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,000 being, you know, incredibly rigid with all that during the 457 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800 period of time that I'm in a competition prep, but when I 458 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,600 realized that, if I'm super stressed down throughout the 459 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,900 entirety of my consumption window and after consumption my 460 00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:57,200 bicep, To absorb those nutrients efficiently is just incredibly 461 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200 hindered. So I might be tracking macros 462 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000 perfectly. But if my body is, is not 463 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000 absorbing them to the full extent. 464 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,400 It's almost like the tracking is for not. 465 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,200 So I've really driven exactly picture man. 466 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,500 Yeah, so you can do everything right? 467 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:15,700 But if you're still doing too much of it or you're still 468 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:19,200 stressed about it, right stress doesn't discriminate it. 469 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,200 Do body doesn't care if it's mechanical stress. 470 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,900 Emotional stress, situational stress, the reaction, to stress 471 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,100 our system, is we have an on and off switch and it doesn't matter 472 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,600 what triggers the on switch, if it's on, it's on. 473 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,400 All right. It doesn't matter how you get 474 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,200 the off switch, if it's off its off. 475 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:39,500 So, you know, you can be doing all the right things. 476 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600 But you're you're you're stressed out about doing all the 477 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,400 right things. You're only getting part of the 478 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200 picture. Walk me through like a perfect 479 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,400 day man. What is what is 24 hours look 480 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,300 like in a perfect case scenario? Like what what? 481 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:55,000 Apps can be used, what tools can be leveraged. 482 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,400 What breath techniques can can people Implement, like, what is 483 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,600 a perfect day and what are some things that you've personally 484 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,300 found to be beneficial for yourself. 485 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,500 And for clientele that you worked with that people listen 486 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:10,100 to, this can start to implement. Its I'm big on the idea of Bio 487 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:13,400 individuality, right? So what perfect day for me might 488 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,000 not be a perfect day for somebody else and and the right 489 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,700 diet for me might not be the right diet for somebody else. 490 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,600 And you know, kind of now my goal is to try to Pain 491 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,100 Enlightenment, you know, my perfect day might be, you know, 492 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:28,200 getting up at 3:00 in the morning and go into the cave, 493 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,400 you know, and and and you know doing chance for you know, six 494 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,500 hours, but that's that's not, you know, that's not my goal. 495 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,500 My goal is to try to, you know, make a bunch of money. 496 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:40,500 It might be, you know, getting up and checking the stocks and 497 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:44,100 you know, but I think regardless of what your goal is, I think 498 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:48,000 you have to try and find balance and balance is kind of the key 499 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,500 and balance doesn't have to be it. 500 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,300 Can it can't be a prolonged stay. 501 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:58,000 It balances is our moments in time that you constantly have to 502 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,800 seek again, right? So you might find a moment of 503 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,900 balance. And as soon as you like, I'm 504 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:05,600 balanced now, you just lost it. Now. 505 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,200 You have to find it again, right? 506 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:11,000 And so balance, and censoring is both, you know, postural in 507 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000 terms of our alignment balance and censoring is about kind of 508 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,900 Harmony between our goals, and our objectives, and what we're 509 00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,700 trying to accomplish in the physical world, and how that 510 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,100 meets with. With the demand and our 511 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,700 experience on the internal world, right? 512 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,300 And when those two things are in sync together, man. 513 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:31,800 It's just feels like I'm living my best life. 514 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:35,800 But if I'm feeling like inside, like I really need to go for a 515 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,300 run and I got to get out of this chair and, you know, and I'm but 516 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:40,900 I'm just cranking away at my computer. 517 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:42,600 There's, there's a disconnect there. 518 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000 Right? But if all I'm doing at, you 519 00:28:45,008 --> 00:28:47,600 know, all day long is out, you know, meditating and running 520 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600 around and surfing and doing whatever. 521 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,400 But I can't pay my bills and you know, Family, right? 522 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,300 Well, that's going to catch up to me to, you know, so I think 523 00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:01,400 the, the objective is to try to find that that resonance where 524 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,600 we're living Our Truth. Both internally inside of our 525 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,400 bodies, as well as can are what our actions are in the world. 526 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,500 And when those two things sync up and I think you're living the 527 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,200 perfect day. Yeah. 528 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,300 Feel like, you know, I've often times said, balance is bullshit. 529 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:22,300 And I agree with that, in the sense that I feel like people. 530 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,000 People, oftentimes have this, like, work-life balance 531 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,100 mentality, in which case some things improving. 532 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,000 But like, if you've got something on a fulcrum, 533 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,800 something's going up, something's going down like a 534 00:29:32,808 --> 00:29:35,000 teeter totter, you know, that's not really optimal because you 535 00:29:35,008 --> 00:29:36,400 don't want something big going down. 536 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,000 I try to craft a life in which everything is somewhat symbiotic 537 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,800 in nature and circular and motion so that the everything 538 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,200 benefits from any input towards another Factor. 539 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,700 If that makes sense 100% There's a term for that. 540 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:53,000 That's like if anybody goes to our Data structure. 541 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,900 Elements that come our main logos is 18, Sager. 542 00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:01,600 --T model and it since a gritty model is a system where the 543 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,000 they're called compression and tension elements, there. 544 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,200 They're in, they're in balance of one another. 545 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,600 So any movement of that system, it's going to be felt throughout 546 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,200 the rest of the system. And that's That's the basis of 547 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,400 Chinese medicine is really looking at that interplay Right 548 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Between The Young and the young or between compression and 549 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,900 tension elements. And you know what, you just said 550 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,500 I think is so true. Most People when they think of 551 00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:27,000 balance, they think of it as a division of time. 552 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,200 And I think that that's, that's a really toxic trap to fall into 553 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:36,900 because work-life balance isn't about how much time you're at 554 00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,600 work versus how much time you're at the, with the kids versus how 555 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,000 much time you're exercising or taking vacation? 556 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,400 Balance is about how you are experiencing work, how you're 557 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,400 experiencing family, how you're experiencing vacation, how 558 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,600 you're experiencing Athletics and to find balance. 559 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,600 It's being balanced within each of those things. 560 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,300 Not just how long you're doing them, you know, and that's 561 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,400 that's a, that's a big difference between about what is 562 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,600 I'm going to your website right now. 563 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800 What is the, what is that called? 564 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,300 So the The that model is called tense a gritty. 565 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:22,300 And and again, it's basically in the body or they call biotin 566 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,200 say, Gertie, you're looking at. The bones is being the 567 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,800 compression elements and all the connective tissue and the soft 568 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,400 tissue being the tension elements. 569 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,800 Or if you're looking at, you know, an engineering, you know, 570 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,700 looking at a Steel Bridge, the, the steel would be the 571 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800 compression elements and the cables that are, that are 572 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800 holding it together. Be the tension elements. 573 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,800 And when those things are equal, right? 574 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,900 We have back. Same. 575 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,400 We have we have kind of a harmonious State. 576 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,400 Gosh. Yeah, I've actually this is this 577 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,300 is kind of interesting man, because I'm building out a new 578 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:57,500 brand as we speak and I've been like trying to think of a of a 579 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:01,000 symbol or a like a like a sign something that that is right. 580 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,200 But this break up the boundary conditions make it look fuller 581 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,000 like just kind of the father doesn't take it to yourself. 582 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,500 You just go in and do be kind of look. 583 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:09,900 A lot of patterns exist in each other like that. 584 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:12,800 It's pretty fascinating work, you know, be careful, you'll end 585 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200 up falling down a rabbit hole. Well, you know, once you start 586 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000 paying attention to the stuff you people go as far as to say 587 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,800 that are that are fossa is our Consciousness that it's the how 588 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,900 the body self senses and is aware of itself. 589 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,200 It's through all of the input from these, you know, connective 590 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,500 tissue cells to the rest of the system. 591 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800 And it's bi-directional, you know, it's signals to the brain 592 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200 and the Brain signals to it. And it's pretty fascinating. 593 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,700 Where actually the the because I'll admit it man. 594 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,200 I'm a pretty, you know, Hopeless nerd. 595 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,300 When it comes to this stuff, where the, where the gold 596 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:52,300 sponsor of the international Congress of fascia research, 597 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,700 that's going to happen in September up in Montreal. 598 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,300 And I've been, I went to the first International Congress at 599 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,700 Harvard Med School, 2007 and have been like, a die-hard 600 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,300 supporter and follower of this Society of researchers and 601 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,800 clinicians, really looking at the mechanisms of how this stuff 602 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,100 works. And it's just like, studying 603 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,200 space man. It's like endlessly, you know. 604 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:18,200 So fascinating and and and it's just, you can always find a 605 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,400 deeper layer to dive into. It's just this whole world that 606 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000 exists between the stuff that we think is important. 607 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,800 You know, it's pretty wild. Do you feel like this is like, 608 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,300 all of this is becoming more mainstream? 609 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,700 Or is it seemed as though, like, I feel like I'm hearing about it 610 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,700 more like just, you know, overall health and wellness more 611 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,400 because I'm in that industry mean that space. 612 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,300 I'm putting out content around that subject matter. 613 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:44,200 So I'm by definition kind of in that Echo chamber, so to speak. 614 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,100 Do you feel like all of this is becoming more mainstream to the 615 00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,400 general population? Or is it 100% it is. 616 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,500 And again I credit This research Society for that. 617 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:59,600 I mean there's been a ton of funding given out to Foster 618 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,800 research in the last 10 years that is you know, showing 619 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,300 mechanistically why it's important and how it's relevant. 620 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,900 There's also there's a film called strolling Under the Skin 621 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,800 and I won't take any Any blame or credit for how painful it is 622 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,600 to watch? It's pretty cheesy, but the 623 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,600 images in there are fantastic and this is using an endoscope 624 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,100 which is like a tiny tiny, tiny little camera to look at facha 625 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,900 in real time. It's done by a French hand 626 00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:36,199 surgeon, and looking at this tissue and how this tissue is 627 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,400 innervated. How this tissue is vascularized, 628 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,600 how this tissue facilitates movement and it's just wild, 629 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,199 man. It's just this. 630 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,699 World, but until we develop the technology to look at it and 631 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,900 measure it and understand it. You know, it was just stuff 632 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:55,000 that, you know, we cut away to be able to identify where the 633 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,400 muscles are, you know, and but it's pretty wild when you start 634 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,200 looking at at at how it supports not only movement but immune 635 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,000 function and and again, you know, all of our hormone 636 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,900 signaling and growth factor signaling and it's wild stuff. 637 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,500 So for people that have never liked aren't as familiar with 638 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,400 Anatomy, I mean like I'm a Hunter so that when I'm skin and 639 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,800 open a dear and I'm separating the muscle tissue and I'm you 640 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,800 know, butchering them to grind them up and have dinner for 641 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,300 throughout the year. Like I can see the fascial 642 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,300 tissue. I can I can peel that off. 643 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:32,700 I can, you know, maneuver around it with a knife. 644 00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:34,700 Like for people that have never done that. 645 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,200 How would you describe what that tissue is and looks like yes, 646 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,800 it's translucent, right? So it kind of is clear, and 647 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:50,700 again, All sorts of different types of facha and in a fresh 648 00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,300 cadaver, right? So after you've made the kill, 649 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,700 you know, you the the faucet hasn't dried out yet. 650 00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,800 So you can still you know, take a muscle and tug on it and 651 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,800 you're going to see it Glide within this like translucent, 652 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,100 you know kind of wrapping and if you you know, look at a tendon 653 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,800 the tendon is going to slip through a coating of this facha. 654 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:20,400 At the stuff that that, I'm most concerned with is, is really 655 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,700 goes away. Pretty quick. 656 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,900 After the heart, the heart stops beating and the fossa is really 657 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,900 as dense as the IT band, which is a really thick like, I mean 658 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:37,300 like the tensile strength of steel type tightness and it is 659 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:42,500 as loose and gliding as like saliva or snot. 660 00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:46,100 Okay. And That, that level it has a 661 00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:49,400 lot less dense collagen. It's just enough collagen to 662 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,400 form which called The extracellular Matrix, we can 663 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200 which can hold fluid and suspend fluid in space. 664 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Primarily hyaluronic acid. And this is like just provides 665 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,900 lubrication and if you have a tendon body that loses that 666 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:07,400 lubrication you start to get irritation of the tendon body, 667 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,900 right? So overuse injuries, they're not 668 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:15,500 necessarily overloading the tendon as a First mechanism, 669 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,400 they're drying out the facha and the lubrication and that is a 670 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,500 lot of the generation of pain. It's not actually even you know, 671 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,600 tissue defect to the tendons themselves, right? 672 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,600 It's really the breakdown of the the system that surrounds them, 673 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,400 and this basically envelops every muscular body within a 674 00:37:37,408 --> 00:37:40,100 given. By like, it's not just, not only 675 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,000 does it case. Each individual muscle, it cases 676 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000 each individual muscle. Fibril. 677 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:48,900 So, all of that faucet, you think of like a box of 678 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,200 spaghetti? Okay, most people think of like 679 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,600 the cardboard box as the facha, right? 680 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,900 But imagine that each noodle in that box was individually 681 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,200 wrapped, right? And then you take all of the 682 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,700 wrapping of each of those individual noodles and the box 683 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,200 and you kind of tie all that together up top. 684 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000 That's basically what a tendon is, right? 685 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800 It all comes together at a culmination point. 686 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,800 And so, we have that. I've been around the periosteum 687 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,300 of the bone. It's right beneath the skin on 688 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,400 interrupted from head to toe. We have subcutaneous Asha. 689 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,700 Again. We have, you know, aponeurosis, 690 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:28,100 which is like the the real thick broad bands of foster. 691 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,200 That's found like in the low back at the thoracolumbar fascia 692 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,900 or in the abdomen between the rectus abdominis muscles at the 693 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,900 Linea Alba or at the nape of the neck of the ligaments of 694 00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,000 nutrition and and that's also fashion, but it's comprised of 695 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,700 much denser fibers than the Fluid stuff that surrounds each 696 00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:49,200 of these muscle fibers and allows for the Glide and 697 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,900 functional movement. Has there been any research done 698 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:53,700 on how like hot and cold therapy? 699 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:57,400 Like do a nice bass or sauna impacts the faucet issue? 700 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,500 Yeah. There's there's there's quite a 701 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:02,000 bit and you know, I like again when when there's an opportunity 702 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,800 to keep things simple. I like to keep it simple, right? 703 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,100 And and there's a saying in Chinese medicine that takes warm 704 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:12,000 water to clean a greasy pan. Okay, and, you know, we are 705 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,400 we're animals, right? We're comprised of lots of fats 706 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:22,900 and fluids and the warmer, the, you know, environment, the more 707 00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,800 viscosity you're going to have to the tissue just like when 708 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,900 you're trying to clean grease out of a pan, you use warm water 709 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:32,300 and the grease melts away. Use cold water and it congeals, 710 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:35,900 the body is is very much subject to the same principles. 711 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,200 So a lot of conditions were we're looking to try to improve 712 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,000 Mobility, are better served with heat, okay. 713 00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:48,600 There are certain circumstances where ice is most effective in 714 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,900 terms of trying to shut down the inflammatory process for 715 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:53,500 something. That's red, hot painful, and 716 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,600 swollen. But I think Isis is grossly over 717 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,300 used for soft tissue injury, where we need to really improve 718 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:05,100 that circulation and, and warm the area in order to effectively 719 00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,600 restore motion to the tissue make sense, like, given the 720 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,100 option. I would prefer to sit in a sauna 721 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,100 for 20 minutes then an ice bath for 20 minutes. 722 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:13,000 Thank. Yeah, me too. 723 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,500 I mean, you know, there's There's definitely something to 724 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,700 like cold showers. And and, you know, and even ice 725 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:22,100 baths to some degree that they do. 726 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,600 Give a big shot to the sympathetic nervous system. 727 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:31,200 And once you learn to relax in that environment, it's like it's 728 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,700 not just toughness training. You're actually, you know, you 729 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,400 learn to work with your breath and in order to create 730 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,300 relaxation under stress, and under strain. 731 00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:44,000 And that's a pretty big, biohack in terms of the cultivation of 732 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,400 Tools of getting the nervous system, you know more 733 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,500 resilience. So, you know, there's there's a 734 00:40:49,508 --> 00:40:52,900 lot of mechanisms that play in. It's not just the intrinsic 735 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:57,200 therapeutic value, but it's also kind of how it did it challenges 736 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,300 Us. And how we overcome that 737 00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:00,300 challenge, not makes total sense, man. 738 00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,300 Total sense. What do you got? 739 00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,100 What do you got coming, man? What are you excited about? 740 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,900 I mean, this is all super interesting to me. 741 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:09,000 Like what what's cooking for you is it, you know, I used to do a 742 00:41:09,008 --> 00:41:12,900 lot of these podcasts and and at the end it was always kind of a 743 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,400 little bit of a letdown. Now because I feel like, you 744 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,700 know, what we do at our clinics is really pretty Cutting Edge 745 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:23,000 and it's pretty revolutionary. But unless somebody lived around 746 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,500 one of our clinics, the conversation kind of stop there, 747 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,200 you know, is like, you know, okay. 748 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,800 Good luck to you go, try to find somebody that does, what we do, 749 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,000 you know, but what we do is is packaged pretty uniquely. 750 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:38,500 And so, you know, we're really excited about is we've launched 751 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,400 to subscription based platforms. One of them is to educate 752 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,300 therapist to do what we do. We All that becoming an SEC 753 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:49,700 network provider and and that's really exciting and it's 149 754 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,200 bucks a month and not only does it give all the educational 755 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,200 background of what we've developed that structural 756 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,400 elements to therapists. You know, Petey's Kairos massage 757 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,900 therapist, athletic trainers osteopaths acupuncturist, you 758 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,800 know, they're they're all appropriate fit but also gives a 759 00:42:06,808 --> 00:42:10,200 bunch of resources, business templates and tools and you 760 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,500 know, bang for the buck. It's an incredible value to help 761 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,800 you become part. Part of our Network and and be 762 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,800 part of a continued conversation that's focused on best 763 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,600 practices. And you know, sharing case 764 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,300 studies and really focusing on producing the best patient 765 00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,500 outcomes that we can. But we've also launched what we 766 00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:33,000 call Se lab in lab stands for learning apply balance. 767 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,000 And this is a patient facing platform. 768 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,300 It's 11 bucks a month to subscribe and and that's that 769 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,400 lab lrb. Lab dot. 770 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,000 Structural elements.com is where you can find us there. 771 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:48,000 And this is pretty cool. It's like broken down into 772 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,000 lifestyle and self-care, and movement and there's all sorts 773 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,600 of things and helping control inflammation in the body. 774 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,000 A bunch of different information on diet nutrition, but then 775 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,100 there's all the self-care stuff that we talked about, how to 776 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:03,700 properly foam roll, how to use the massage tools to release 777 00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:07,100 these focal adhesions understanding, you know, Global 778 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:10,400 posture and some of the background of how to properly 779 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,100 care for connective tissue. And there's all sorts. 780 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,600 It's kind of injury specific or body part, you know, specific 781 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,300 treatment of back pain, that teaches you, how to incorporate 782 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:24,400 Global movements and and and postural tools to, you know, to 783 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,200 try to achieve neutral alignment and a bunch of tools to regulate 784 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,400 your nervous system. So that you are optimizing your 785 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,900 recovery and repair. So it's pretty cool. 786 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:38,100 You know, we're really proud of that and that just expands our 787 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,400 reach exponentially, you know, so it's no longer whether 788 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,500 somebody lives in, Maryland, or Wisconsin, where we Have our 789 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,300 clinics. But now it's like anybody in the 790 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,300 comfort of their home can can benefit from from, you know, the 791 00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,400 years of what we've been doing in our clinics with me, trying 792 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,700 to really optimize this recovery of mine. 793 00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,000 I think, dive into Dance. I mean, for 11 bucks, a month to 794 00:43:58,008 --> 00:44:00,400 have access to that is worthwhile expense in my 795 00:44:00,408 --> 00:44:01,800 opinion. Thank you. 796 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,400 That's, you know, it's a, it's one drink, you know, at the 797 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,000 airport, you know, it's it's it's really nothing when you 798 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,500 think about it and then, you know, our kind of our gift to 799 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:16,300 everybody is on that. Website at lab Dot Structure. 800 00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:20,100 Romans.com. There is on the top navbar. 801 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:24,000 There's a section that just says traction and this is an exercise 802 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,500 that is our gift to the world. It's takes three minutes, right? 803 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,500 You lay flat on your back with your knees, bent, your arms out 804 00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,300 to your sides, you get your spine into a neutral position 805 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:36,900 and you lay there and do this deep diaphragmatic breathing for 806 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:39,700 three minutes. And what it helps do is, you 807 00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,000 know through stimulating the vagus nerve and triggering the 808 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,900 person pathetic nervous system. Like a reset for your nervous 809 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:50,200 system that if you do once a day over the course of a few weeks, 810 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,300 it's going to change your life. And I don't, I don't throw 811 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,800 things like that out lightly, but from the thousands of 812 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,500 patients that have treated over the last near, you know, three 813 00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:01,600 decades. The people that do traction, 814 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,100 they get better, you know, I don't care what they came in 815 00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:07,700 with, it's like the intrinsic, you know, ability for the body 816 00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:11,400 to heal itself and to repair just kicks in and takes over, 817 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,100 when we're finding that parasympathetic response. 818 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,600 And it's just phenomenal to watch. 819 00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:19,100 And So that's its ahead of the pay wall. 820 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,300 You don't have to pay the 11 bucks. 821 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:24,200 It's just click on it and and, you know, watch the video but 822 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:25,600 watching the video doesn't do it. 823 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,000 You actually have to lay on your back for three minutes, you 824 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,300 know, every day is there like a technique to diaphragmatic 825 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:36,400 breathing that you personally recommend an advocate for? 826 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:38,700 Yeah. Well, there's you know in the 827 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,200 video we go over pretty clear but there's there's a ligament 828 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,100 that runs along the front of the spine and this is a big mess. 829 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:45,600 Mechanism. It's called the anterior 830 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,800 longitudinal ligament. And this is short and tight. 831 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,000 I most people, and, and the hip flexors, the psoas muscle, which 832 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,500 is a very powerful, very dominant muscle. 833 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,900 That's hardwired to be part of our stress response because, you 834 00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:01,400 know, our stress responses fight or flight, right? 835 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,300 And so part of that fight and flight is you, we need to 836 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:09,300 stiffen intention these hip flexors to be able to run, or to 837 00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,900 be able to get away. And so, we need to kind of 838 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,400 really And that intersection between this anterior 839 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,500 longitudinal ligament and these these hip flexors. 840 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:23,000 The, so as, and this is a really important place where the 841 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,200 diaphragm comes into play, because the central tendon of 842 00:46:26,207 --> 00:46:28,500 the diaphragm hits, right at that intersection. 843 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200 So when you're, when you're flat on your back and your knees are 844 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,600 bent, you're taking that responsibility off of the. 845 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,400 So as and when your chin is tucked in your arms are out to 846 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,500 your side. You're loading up that anterior. 847 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,700 Longitudinal ligament then and only then, do you have access to 848 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,000 getting that Central? In of the diaphragm to start to 849 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,700 soften and relax and lengthen these structures. 850 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,700 So there is a little bit of a technique to it, right? 851 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,900 You have to kind of press the abdomen out with the inhale, and 852 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,100 that really pulls up on that central tendon and maximizes 853 00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,000 that stimulation. But, again, it doesn't take any 854 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,300 special equipment. It takes the floor and three 855 00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:05,800 minutes of your time. And it's like, if you know, I 856 00:47:05,808 --> 00:47:10,800 really struggle with accepting that people can't find it within 857 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,900 themselves to give that to themselves every day, you know. 858 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,600 Three minutes and and it will make the rest of your day, you 859 00:47:17,607 --> 00:47:19,900 know, much closer to that perfect day. 860 00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:22,300 When you're trying to describe earlier, awesome, man. 861 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:25,500 Will, I will, I will 100% give that a shot to try it out. 862 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,800 Basically this his podcast is over and see how it works. 863 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,600 For me, man. So one more time, where do 864 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,400 people go to find this information. 865 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,700 What is the website and your social? 866 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,400 Yes, all of our handles and our social media is just structural 867 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,100 elements and you can find us at our main site, which is 868 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,900 structural elements. Dot-com and that links out to 869 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,700 everything else. But this patient facing platform 870 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,200 as Sealab is lab dot. Structural elements.com. 871 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,700 And for the network provider its Network Dot Structure 872 00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:59,200 elements.com. Those are our main spots. 873 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,900 But if you go to the main page at structure elements.com, it 874 00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:04,100 links out to everything else. Awesome. 875 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,700 I will definitely check this out, man. 876 00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,800 This is exciting stuff for sure. I can't thank you enough for 877 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,000 taking the time to chat with me. I've learned a ton, really 878 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,500 appreciate brother. Yeah, of course, my Pleasure. 879 00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:16,300 Thanks for having me. Have a good one, Doug and keep 880 00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:17,900 in touch, man. All right, UT.