1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,000 I feel like that rarely gets brought up. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,640 Like if someone's got digestive issues, they go to the standard 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,720 western medicine doc, they don't even talk about this stuff. 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,440 You know, it's really hard because they work in silos. 5 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,320 They have the tools that they've been taught, they have the time 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,880 with people that they've been given, which is very minimal. 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,160 It's all administration. It all comes back to money 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,080 making and you know, what are you doing to treat the patient? 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,080 How much more can we give them? People come to me and they want 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,000 to lose weight and I got to tell them, hey, look, we're going to 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,480 eat more. You're probably I'll be going to 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,240 put on some weight if. Your body is like, hey, I can't 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,800 restore thyroid function. I can't restore adrenal function 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,560 and and build these hormones unless I store a little bit more 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,560 fat, right? Like your body is pretty Dang 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,360 smart. Like it's going to do what it 17 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,480 needs to do. And if we're playing the long 18 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:49,360 game, we'll get you there, but we can't get you there in a 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,920 healthy manner to where you are going to feel good and you're 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,360 going to have optimal biofeedback eating 600 calories 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,200 a day. And we are live. 22 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Liz, how you doing today? I'm good. 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,120 How are you? I am wonderfully well. 24 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,000 What did you have for breakfast? Let me ask you that. 25 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,200 Let's start with that. I'm actually in a fasting phase 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,800 right now, so I have had water, electrolytes, coffee with 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,760 cinnamon, and I did take some Bondi pier this morning, which 28 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,280 is like a kind of greens powder on crack I would call it, but it 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,880 is supportive of fasting. So that's what I've had today so 30 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,520 far. Are you doing like an extended 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,120 fast or you're just doing like an intermittent fast? 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,600 Yeah, so right now I'm doing something called, it's like a 33 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,360 pure fast program. So each day you kind of drop 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,680 your fasting window. To be honest. 35 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,200 I've just kind of stuck with like a four to five hour eating 36 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,520 window, looking at my ketones, making sure they're getting to 37 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,160 where I want to be. And then I mentioned this 38 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,200 offline, but I'm nine weeks postpartum. 39 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,000 So technically I should move into longer fasting windows, 24 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,560 hours or maybe 4872. But since sleep is a little bit 41 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,160 up and down, last night was real rocky, we're going to keep it at 42 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,240 the four to five hours. And my ketones are still, as I 43 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,200 say, ketoning, which is good. And so I think I'm probably just 44 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,880 going to hold here for a little bit and not go into some of 45 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,360 those longer fast until maybe getting a little bit better 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,440 sleep. Totally, totally makes sense. 47 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,240 Are you breastfeeding too? I am not. 48 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 So I was not able to. I struggled with my first and 49 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,480 then really struggled with my second. 50 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,680 Ended up with mastitis. And we've just said, you know 51 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,800 what, that is best. And I've got a business to run, 52 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,320 a toddler to take care of or he's not really a toddler, he's 53 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,160 5 1/2 and a newborn. So we're on the goat milk train 54 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,160 with some good, it's called begin baby, some Hmos, human 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,880 milk, ogletosaccharides. And then it's also got some 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,520 prebiotics to really support babies microbiome with 57 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,400 bifidobacteria, which is what we want. 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,800 So that I will say in some ways has been almost a blessing 59 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,800 though, because with the sleep and all the things it would be, 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,120 it's breastfeeding is challenging. 61 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,600 It's a full time job by itself, so. 62 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,680 Yeah, for sure. We, we've got a 2 1/2 year old 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,840 and then we're, my wife's 24 weeks pregnant as of yesterday 64 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,440 actually, so we got another one on the way. 65 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,240 So yeah, breastfeeding's no joke. 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,200 I mean, I mean, she's up non-stop throughout the night. 67 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,720 I mean, yes, it's, it's total chaos, but it's the best thing 68 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,200 in the world. Yes, it's so good for them and I 69 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,720 really, really gave it every ounce of my energy. 70 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,760 With my first, we were doing like the triple feed. 71 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,960 So he was born very small. He was 37 weeks, but he was 3 72 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,280 lbs nine oz. So he didn't latch. 73 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,640 He was in the NICU for a bit, so I was pumping and then finally 74 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:31,560 when he could latch, trying to do that and then also feeding, 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,080 right? So they call it the triple feed. 76 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,760 So where you're feeding them and then you're pumping and then, 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,760 you know, bottle feeding what you had pumped previously. 78 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,760 And I did that for I think about 3 months with him and then my 79 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,280 supply just kept dropping and dropping no matter what I did. 80 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,720 So this time after the couple of weeks and then getting mastitis, 81 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,400 I was like, you know, we're just not going to go through this 82 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,520 again. But it is amazing if you can do 83 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,040 it. And congratulations on the 84 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,960 second. And likewise, likewise, well, 85 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,920 this is not quite how I planned on this starting. 86 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,720 This is interesting because I feel like a lot of people that 87 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,200 have allergies or gut dysbiosis or any of that stuff often 88 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,200 oftentimes stems from their birth and how that all started. 89 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,520 I don't know to the extent that is the case, but can you speak 90 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,680 on that at all? Sure. 91 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,839 So the mother's microbiome passes down to generations. 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,600 So there's a lot of validity to, you know, children having some 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,160 genetic kind of predisposition with what is passed from the 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,040 mother. I think there's also, you know, 95 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,400 a lot that they are finding out more and more with the placenta 96 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,200 different, you know, things like heavy metals that they're, you 97 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,560 know, identifying and all these different toxins that are 98 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,400 passing through. And I always say we live in a 99 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,400 world of toxic soup. So don't, you know, take it all 100 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,200 on you as the mother? You know, you can only do so 101 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,640 much to support your gut microbiome. 102 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,520 You know, pre pregnancy, I always tell women, try to really 103 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,120 prepare your body for about 6 months because, you know, we 104 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,840 know that you're going to be the one that's building the human. 105 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,240 And so whether that's done through stool testing or it's 106 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,800 really just cleaning things up in your environment, I know it 107 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,240 can be really overwhelming. I also talk about the non-toxic 108 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,120 culture being toxic in some ways. 109 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,280 So really just making sure like, you know, you're prioritizing 110 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,040 your air quality, your water quality, especially trying to 111 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,480 eat as clean as possible, right? Grass fed, organic as much as 112 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,480 you can and support drainage and detoxification pathways. 113 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Make sure you're pooping every day is the poop queen. 114 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,240 I talk a lot about that. But you know, at the end of the 115 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,200 day, I think so many women stress so much and they put a 116 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,440 lot of blame on themselves for things, you know, control the 117 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,120 controllable, control the controllables is what I say with 118 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,560 that. But there's a lot of truth to it 119 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,840 passing down to generations. And there's a lot of, I mean, 120 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:45,320 this is stuff that we started diving deep because this is my 121 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,080 wife's, like, passion. She's been diving super deep 122 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,160 down this rabbit hole. So like we had to have an 123 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,320 emergency C-section on our first and she just was distraught 124 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,000 because they couldn't, you know, get all that, you know, mucus 125 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,360 and everything that's supposed to set them up for success going 126 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,440 forward. And a lot of people have 127 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,200 allergies and stuff that are often times result of not 128 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,000 passing through vaginally. So we're trying for natural 129 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,840 vaginal birth this time. But it's crazy how so much of 130 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:14,400 this stuff has an impact that most western medicine docs never 131 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,120 even mention for these, you know, pre birth checks, which is 132 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,880 just crazy. Like this stuff is important. 133 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,760 That could legitimately have an impact on the baby, you know, 134 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,880 indefinitely going forward. Yeah, so I can actually speak to 135 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,880 this a little bit. I had an emergency C-section 136 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,800 with my first as well. I had something called 137 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,520 intrauterile growth restrictions. 138 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,000 So my son was basically my placenta crapped out, My son was 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,560 fully developed, but he was not gaining brown fat. 140 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,840 Anytime that they have that situation, they want to induce 141 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,640 you at 37 weeks. And my body went haywire. 142 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,920 So I ended up in something called HELP syndrome. 143 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,040 Liver enzymes skyrocketed, my platelets dropped. 144 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,080 So I was emergency C-section totally put under anesthesia 145 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,840 within 7 minutes of the doctor saying we need to go now he was 146 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,600 out. And you know, it's not at all 147 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,640 what you imagine, right? I'm sure your experience with 148 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,480 that, even as the you know, the dad and the spouse, I know my 149 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,760 husband, he wasn't allowed to be in the room with that emergency 150 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,160 C-section. So it's, it is just chaos, 151 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 right? And so going into my seconds, I 152 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,760 was very concerned about this and I toyed back and forth 153 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,800 because I know the benefits of going through the vaginal canal. 154 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,720 So because of the, I would call a little bit of PTSD that I had 155 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,280 from that first time, my body did not regulate. 156 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,640 I also didn't get to meet my son for a day and a half because I 157 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,960 was stuck in the the unit downstairs while he was in the 158 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,840 NICU. And until I could get my blood 159 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,880 pressure and things regulated, I wasn't allowed to leave on the 160 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,880 1st unit and on my first born. Yes. 161 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,840 So with my second, we opted to do a planned C-section. 162 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,520 And in preparation for this, I had a conversation with my 163 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,040 doctor and I said I'm going to do something called microbiome 164 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,640 seeding. If you guys have not heard of 165 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,880 this, you can go to tinyhealth.com. 166 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,360 I recommend this for women when they are pregnant. 167 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,160 They can do gut testing, you know, throughout their pregnancy 168 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,080 to see if they have enough even bifidobacterium to pass to baby 169 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,840 and breast milk. But also they have a vaginal 170 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,520 microbiome test. And so this is important if 171 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,640 you're going to consider doing microbiome seeding. 172 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,680 This is a little woo woo for some people. 173 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,640 My doctor looked like I had 4 heads, but you know, you got to 174 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,560 do what's right and what you feel comfortable with. 175 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,360 So essentially with the microbiome seeding, if you know 176 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,679 that you're going to have a planned C-section or even if you 177 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,120 think you are going to go V vac, right? 178 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,600 So you're going to try a vaginal birth, but might end up in AC 179 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,760 section again for whatever reason. 180 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,159 It's very simple. So you basically take some, you 181 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,480 know, sterile gauze and you insert it into the vaginal canal 182 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,480 for at least an hour, let it really get saturated and then 183 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,240 you put it into a sterile container. 184 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:55,280 And then when the baby is out, you would essentially wipe it 185 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,000 all over, you know, the face to try to get some exposure to that 186 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,640 bacteria. But you don't necessarily want 187 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,920 to do this if your vaginal microbiome is not in a good 188 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,800 spot. So mine came back, there was 189 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,160 nothing to report. It's like 99% all good. 190 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,400 But for some women, right, they might be experiencing yeast, 191 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,480 candida, vaginal vaginosis, different things like that into, 192 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,440 you know, you want to also consider that even if you're 193 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,040 going to go vaginally because there's a lot of things that you 194 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,520 could do to course correct that throughout pregnancy again. 195 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,960 Or if you saw that, hey, this then wouldn't be beneficial to 196 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,600 do the microbiome seeding, you would just choose not to do 197 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 that. But because of as what you said, 198 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,840 the, the good bacteria in the microbes that they get exposure 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,040 to in the vaginal canal prior to just coming into the environment 200 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,680 in the sterile environment, right? 201 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,480 You know, that can play a big role with allergies and asthma 202 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,920 and things like that. So we opted to do that because 203 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,080 my tests looked all good. We had a planned C-section. 204 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,440 Everything went to plan. My husband was the one to do it 205 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,800 with the vaginal, you know, gauze essentially all over 206 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,360 baby's face. So you can again, control the 207 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,920 controllables. But I can't tell you, right? 208 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,360 The research is kind of mixed. There's not a ton of evidence to 209 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,960 say like this Absolutely, you know, works. 210 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,760 Is it the same? I would say no, but it is better 211 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,200 than not doing it. In the case that you can, you 212 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,240 know, test your vaginal microbiome and see that it's all 213 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,680 good. I would absolutely do it. 214 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,440 Totally, totally did. Were you considering VVAC 215 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,840 originally? I was, and I, I wish that it 216 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,600 would have gone that way, but you know, my doctor and I had 217 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,680 this conversation of 39 weeks. The risk goes up to have 218 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,960 preeclampsia and I did not have preeclampsia with my first, but 219 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,640 I had induction or you know, labor induced preeclampsia. 220 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,400 And then also post delivery with the first. 221 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Really, you know, a lot of blood pressure regulation issues for 222 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,080 whatever reason. I don't know if it was from the 223 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,240 medication they gave me. That's my hypothesis. 224 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,600 I know. And a lot of doctors don't want 225 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,120 to do inductions and use the plutocin because they see so 226 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,080 much of this, you know. But anyway, so she said if I go 227 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,560 before 39 weeks, that was the goal. 228 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:16,440 I was going to go vaginally, but I got to the 39 week mark and he 229 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,520 wasn't coming. So we did the scheduled 230 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,400 C-section and I would say that it went to plan as best that, 231 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,720 you know, I could have hoped for. 232 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,480 My husband was able to be with me the whole time. 233 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,680 We got baby right away. He never left our sights. 234 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:32,480 So we're thankful for that. My doctor was very supportive of 235 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,680 my birth plan and I will say that looking at my lab work that 236 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,600 they drew prior to my platelets were very low. 237 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,160 And I think had I tried to labor naturally, I would have ended up 238 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,320 in AC section anyway because when your platelets drop, that 239 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,600 puts mom at a greater risk. So, you know, I wish that it 240 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,800 would have gone that way, but it went as well as it could have. 241 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,200 And we have a beautiful baby boy and he's healthy, so that's all 242 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,840 that matters. Yeah, that is definitely what 243 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,040 matters. Like we were doing, we're 244 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,720 planning on doing a home birth for the first one. 245 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,720 And in Arkansas where we're at with the home birth, like our 246 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,680 midwife, like they're not legally allowed to deliver past 247 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:12,960 42 weeks. And my wife was like 41 week and 248 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,600 six days. And they're like, OK, you have 249 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,880 to get your Wellness check in. And like they they said, OK, 250 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,040 you're pretty much out of time. She wasn't really dilating. 251 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,400 So they, you know, gave her pitocin. 252 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,840 That didn't really make much of a difference. 253 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,720 And the baby was face presentation. 254 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,280 So I go, OK, you have to have an emergency C-section, otherwise 255 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,440 you risk, you know, issues to the, the spinal cord and it 256 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,200 could be issues there. So we had the emergency 257 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,760 C-section. Now we're trying to do a 258 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,360 feedback the second go around, but the, the doctor that we were 259 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 going through, the midwife, we're going through like they 260 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,400 have emergency doctors on staff, but they're now apparently no 261 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,600 longer supportive of feedback. So now we're back to the drawing 262 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,280 board of potentially doing a registered nurse midwife in a 263 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,360 home setting, but we live like 35 minutes from the nearest 264 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,120 hospital. So I'm like, you know, trying to 265 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,720 play it safe, but it's, it's, it's crazy. 266 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,440 Like you people that haven't had a kid with any complications 267 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,560 like this is just all foreign to them. 268 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:07,680 But once you've gone through it, you're like, there's so many 269 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:11,560 things to juggle. There is and you know, I've 270 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,880 talked a lot about this on my social media throughout and just 271 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,040 being so transparent with my followers, right? 272 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,400 As a functional practitioner and I won't specialize in gut 273 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,240 health. I know all the benefits, but you 274 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,640 really have to weigh the pros and cons and really decide for 275 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,760 yourself and also what feels right in your gut and what you 276 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,320 have the most peace about. Because no matter how it 277 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,480 happens, it's still, I mean, I think it's the biggest event of 278 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,440 a woman's life, you know, giving birth. 279 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,440 It's, I think I read the equivalent pregnancy in all that 280 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,240 it is, is the equivalent of running 40 marathons, which is 281 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,400 really, really wild. So, you know, for me, it's like, 282 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,680 I want to have the Peace of Mind. 283 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:50,800 Like you know you guys too, I'm sure with the the past emergency 284 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,880 C-section of just knowing that if this doesn't work out, we've 285 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,920 got the people there that can do what they need to do because 286 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,960 sometimes it is a life saving situation. 287 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,040 Yeah. All right. 288 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,560 So totally roundabout way to get health here, but how did you 289 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,120 become known as the Poop Queen? That is quite the the moniker 290 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,080 there. Yes. 291 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,120 So I struggled with chronic Constipation for eight years. 292 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,280 A little back story, I was diagnosed with children's 293 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,320 rheumatoid arthritis when I was a young girl and I was put on 294 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,040 Prednisone and methotrexate. They told me I never walk, play 295 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,640 sports, but by the grace of God my mom took me through all the 296 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,280 doctors and you know, I totally believe that I was healed from 297 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,880 that. She just really felt like we got 298 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,600 to get you off these medications and do a lot through food and 299 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,640 you know, getting off of all of that, I was normal. 300 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,600 Like I was able to walk, I was able to move. 301 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,480 I still have some, you know, kind of like joints, like issues 302 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,280 sometimes, but nothing like it was. 303 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,280 And I, I struggled a lot with my weight throughout, you know, 304 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,960 high school and college because of those medications too. 305 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,360 And, and also just family history. 306 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,120 I would say through the time though, of my teenage years, I 307 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,320 was really struggling with a lot of hormonal issues, hormonal 308 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,720 acne, PMS, all the things. And of course, doctor said just 309 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,200 put her on birth control, right? That's their solution. 310 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,520 Never talk about health history, lifestyle, diet, things that we 311 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,360 can do to try to manage this. So, you know, going through, you 312 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,360 know, ending high school and then moving away to college, I 313 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,760 started to notice like things getting a little bit worse and 314 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,720 ended up in a situation in college where I was getting a 315 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,280 colonoscopy done. I actually called my dad and was 316 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,560 like, cancel it. I'm not going. 317 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,840 I can't drink the solution, like the clean out solution. 318 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,120 It was so gross. So he's like, babe, you got to 319 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,320 do it. I'm already on my way. 320 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,960 The appointment's today like we're going. 321 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,360 So he said just take shots of it like you're playing a drinking 322 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,480 game. He probably hates that I tell 323 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,760 this story, but it's the truth. So we go. 324 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,280 And of course, they say everything is normal, right? 325 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,200 Like you are backed up and constipated. 326 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,560 It's just, you know, drink water, have more fiber and take 327 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,200 some Miralax. That was their solution. 328 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,720 And at the same time, I was really tired, rundown, fatigued, 329 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,920 you know, I had skin spots kind of developing. 330 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,680 And my doctors told me that it was the calories in, calories 331 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,800 out thing. So I went real crazy with Weight 332 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,160 Watchers for a while. I dropped 40 lbs, but I was 333 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,640 going to the gym twice a day. I was, again, a college student 334 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,600 at this time. So I didn't have any major 335 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,960 stress, I would say, in terms of, you know, working in the 336 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,880 corporate world, family and those things. 337 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,880 And so when I got, you know, to where I wanted to be, I was 338 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,600 like, cool, I'm good. I hadn't done any of the mental 339 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,160 work, the emotional work, right? Really understood what I was 340 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,960 doing. I was just reading points on 341 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,040 like labels. And so when I moved up north, I 342 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,480 gained 50 lbs back and I was, you know, again, just really 343 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,080 struggling. And so at that point I found a 344 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,320 functional Doctor Who determined it was my thyroid, Hashimoto's, 345 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,680 and went through a whole gut healing protocol, parasites, 346 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Candida, H pylori, the whole 9 yards. 347 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,960 And that's really what sprung me into functional nutrition 348 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,440 because I started, you know, really taking an interest into 349 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,880 how our gut microbiome and, you know, how our diet and our 350 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,320 environment and our lifestyle really plays a role with how we 351 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,280 feel every day. So Long story short, not so 352 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,680 short here. That's how I got into what I do. 353 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,920 But as far as the poop Queen, that honestly was, I was 354 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,920 podcasting a few years ago and it's like I'm going to start a 355 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,319 new Instagram account called the Poop Queen because it's catchy 356 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,720 and it's going to help people fix their poo because you know, 357 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,440 I know what it's like to feel so miserable. 358 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,160 And from there it's just kind of really spiraled. 359 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,680 So it's not just me. I have a team, I have a 360 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,600 functional practice. We work with women around the 361 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,400 world, Fit mom, functional health is our practice. 362 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,280 And like I said, we have our podcast as well, or we focus all 363 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,240 things guts, hormones, autoimmune, you know, anything 364 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,320 to do with female health. I do work with some men but 365 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,400 mostly females. Nice. 366 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,400 Nice. And you were you were noticing 367 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,840 the Constipation initially? At what age? 368 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,440 Like what? At what point did that start? 369 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,760 So I would say the youngest that I really remember it, to be 370 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,720 honest with you, is I was going to babysit. 371 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,200 I had to have been maybe 14 and I was doing a Suppository 372 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:06,800 because I was stuck on the toilet. 373 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,400 I was like, mom, I got to go babysit these kids and I am so 374 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,240 miserable. So she got suppositories. 375 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,080 We did that kind of fixed it, resolved it from that, you know, 376 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,560 time being that's the the earliest that I remember it 377 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,400 being, you know, a real issue. It's horrible experience, but 378 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,240 you know, all throughout high school, like even in college, 379 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,360 my, my roommates, we would call it victory, right? 380 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,240 Like victory. I was able to go to the bathroom 381 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,400 and I'm talk a lot about Miralax as you know, the solution. 382 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,000 That's what every doctor, pediatricians even tell people 383 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,440 to use. And it's so harsh. 384 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,720 It's so toxic to the body that your body repels it. 385 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,600 And This is why for many people, including myself, I had such 386 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,280 horrible abdominal cramping and pain. 387 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,640 And then it would be just continuous evacuation, right? 388 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,400 So if you're not familiar with how toxic Miralax is, it's made 389 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,960 of PEG 3350. This is something they use in 390 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,240 like an antifreeze solution actually, and brake fluid, FDA 391 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,840 approved, but not for under the age of 17. 392 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,360 I don't know why it's FDA approved. 393 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:10,280 But anyways, under the age of 17, it's not FDA approved. 394 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,840 And there have been many lawsuits against Miralax because 395 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,440 of neuropsychiatric events happening with children, yet 396 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,520 pediatricians, it's still recommended. 397 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,520 It's the number one pediatrician recommendation for kids who are 398 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,840 constipated. And it's, to me, it's just 399 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,880 really heartbreaking. And I think that, again, there's 400 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,160 so many things wrong with our healthcare system that we have, 401 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,120 but it's a true disservice to people to tell them to take 402 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,800 something like this when we could simply turn to something 403 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,640 like a magnesium citrate that's natural and work as an osmotic 404 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,560 laxative can be much more gentle or even like a buffered vitamin 405 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,480 C or many other things, you know, in our diet and lifestyle 406 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,120 from a herbal perspective, that could be helping people resolve 407 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,520 this rather than just Band-Aid the issue with something that's 408 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,720 toxic. Yeah, brake fluid is probably 409 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,520 not the best option there. You know, probably not. 410 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,520 Probably. Not so at at that young age of 411 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,120 14. Do you think it was Hashimoto's 412 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:10,520 at that stage or do you think your thyroid started to down 413 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,440 regulate after years of that that chronic inflammation? 414 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,160 Like what do you think the initial catalyst was? 415 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,440 I think that it was just my immune system, you know, 416 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,040 completely gone haywire. I don't know, you know, because 417 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,800 I never had my antibodies tested till my early 20s. 418 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,240 But looking at the children's rheumatoid arthritis diagnosis 419 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,960 that I had, I mean, that's an autoimmune, right? 420 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,560 And so we know that that is a huge trust to the body. 421 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Where does that generally come from? 422 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,800 Infections, right? Which Dr. Inflammation. 423 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,800 And so even correlating that to the horrible PMS that I had, we 424 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,120 look at that as a lot to do with our liver and gallbladder and 425 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,640 poor detoxification. And where is that coming from, 426 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,520 right? Not having enough of the right 427 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,880 nutrients and cofactors to really support the body 428 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,320 properly, doing things like methylation, glucuronidation, 429 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,920 sulfation, you know, really just supporting the liver. 430 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,840 And I see a lot more chronic Constipation having to do with 431 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,240 liver and gallbladder health even than I do with just gut 432 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,360 dysbiosis or infections like SIBO, bone toxicity, which I 433 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,960 call Sipho, small intestinal fungal overgrowth, parasites 434 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,000 like the liver really has to play a huge role in everything 435 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,960 that we're exposed to. And so we live in a world of 436 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,800 toxic soup. We know that our food is all 437 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,200 Franken foods, right, Full of artificial sugars and 438 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,120 ingredients and preservatives. So I think that was a 439 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,880 combination. I can't tell you that. 440 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,640 I think that it was my thyroid. I also think there was probably 441 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 a lot to do with the Prednisone and methotrexate, the steroids 442 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,880 that I was on, you know, impacting the motility and just 443 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,080 the whole system. Totally. 444 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,280 So is most people coming to work with you and interact with you 445 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,360 coming from a place of chronic Constipation? 446 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,160 Is that kind of like the the primary demographic? 447 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,480 Yes and no. You know, obviously with the 448 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,120 Poop Queen account on Instagram, if they're, you know, following 449 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,200 me, they start because generally they've got my Constipation cure 450 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,720 guide, but then they'll hear me talk about, you know, a lot of 451 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,560 other things as well. I deal with it a lot, you know, 452 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,960 in our practice, but we also deal with the opposites in terms 453 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,320 of urgency. You know, people who have maybe 454 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,520 even mixed, they'll say it's IBSI call that ABS catch all 455 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,680 diagnosis. It's really bacterial overgrowth 456 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,680 in in most cases generally, but IBS is a syndrome. 457 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,880 It is a diagnosis based upon symptoms, not necessarily a 458 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,800 diagnostic test. You know, that they're running. 459 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,760 And so there's many factors that can go into why your bowels are 460 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,680 irritable. So we deal with both. 461 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,320 A lot of times I have women who have had their gallbladder 462 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,840 removed. I'm sure you have experience 463 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,520 with this. You know, many people who have 464 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,560 done keto or doing keto, like have to take that into account 465 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,840 in terms of, you know, their bile and bile flow, how they're 466 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,480 able to properly breakdown fats and absorb these things. 467 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,600 But we get, you know, women who've come in and they've had 468 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,160 their gallbladder removed, they've had colonoscopies, 469 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,080 endoscopies, you know, the whole 9 yards. 470 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,640 And everything is just chalked up to normal. 471 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,200 And they're dealing with not just Constipation or diarrhea, 472 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,120 but a lot of upstream issues in terms of bloating, gas, 473 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,640 heartburn, acid reflux, you know, indigestion. 474 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,040 And then maybe we're looking at their lab work, right? 475 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,560 And we're seeing there's deficiencies here. 476 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,160 They're not actually absorbing things that, you know, maybe 477 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,600 they're eating infections that are driving inflammation, lead 478 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,280 to gut permeability, leaky gut. Now we've got joint pain, skin 479 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,160 issues, brain fog, fatigue, neurotransmitter, you know, 480 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,960 issues where it's depression or anxiety. 481 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:35,200 So it it all is interconnected and everything works together. 482 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,360 So if you are somebody listening and you are backed up and 483 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,200 constipated, that's the bottom of our drainage funnel. 484 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,240 I can promise you, you got a lot going on north of your colon and 485 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,880 you know the evacuation route because when you're not going 486 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480 every day, if I, I say it, if you're not pooping, you're not 487 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,680 detoxing because things sit in your colon and they go back in 488 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,280 line to get recirculated through the liver, which again places 489 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,360 more burden on the liver. And if you've got a leaky gut, 490 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320 we've got something called lipopolysaccharides leaking out 491 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,760 now into the bloodstream, which your body sees as an endotoxin 492 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,120 because they're so toxic. They're actually part of some 493 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:15,000 very, what I would call like stealth infections, C diff and 494 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,200 things like that. And so that lipopolysaccharide 495 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,920 that goes generally first to the liver and the liver is like, 496 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,960 whoa, whoa, this is not good. I got to take care of this. 497 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,360 And it creates inflammation in the liver because it's trying to 498 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,560 protect itself. Well, now when we, you know, 499 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,760 have inflammation in the liver, the liver tries to protect 500 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,800 itself by producing fatty deposition. 501 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,200 So we start to see triglycerides go up, maybe liver enzymes go 502 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,200 up. And now we're dealing with the 503 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,720 case of like fatty liver, non alcoholic fatty liver. 504 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560 And this is because of the gut. Liver access is so intimately 505 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,800 tied together that this is a vicious cycle. 506 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Like they're talking to each other all day long one time or 507 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,360 when you're eating food just one time, your liver releases bile 508 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,360 into circulation 15 to 16 times in that meal. 509 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,960 It's so important this bile is there to go through the small 510 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,520 intestine to help you as the host breakdown your fats, all 511 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,120 your good fatty soluble, you know, nutrients and vitamins, 512 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,520 antioxidants that you should absorb and you should be fed in 513 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,400 the small intestine. That's where nutrient absorption 514 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,000 should happen. But when we have dysbiotic 515 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,160 bacteria, you know, there that's overgrown, this creates 516 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,160 something called small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. 517 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,480 That bacteria is feasting on the foods that you are consuming. 518 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,440 This is creating a lot of bloating and gas. 519 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,760 Things start to ferment, right? So we get that gas and maybe 520 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,400 sulfur is parts or whatever you want to call it. 521 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,320 And then, you know, it's just like this double edged sword 522 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,120 that goes back and forth. So it's really, you know, when 523 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:45,040 we think about digestion, we have to think of a north to 524 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,400 South process and we cannot do gut healing work without 525 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,520 addressing the liver and the gallbladder and this very 526 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,880 intimate connection that we have with the gut, liver access. 527 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,440 I feel like that rarely gets brought up. 528 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,120 Like if someone's got digestive issues, they go to the standard 529 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,920 western medicine doc. I don't even talk about this 530 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,320 stuff. That's why my frustration with 531 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,120 them is so high. I mean, you pretty much have to 532 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,200 go with the functional medicine, right? 533 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,880 If you even want this to be part of the conversation. 534 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Yeah, You know, it's really hard because they work in silos, 535 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,920 right? And they have the tools that 536 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,080 they've been taught. They have the time with people 537 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,800 that they've been given, which is very minimal. 538 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,600 We actually just had a doctor on our podcast yesterday and I'll 539 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,800 say she's kind of whistle blowing a lot. 540 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,240 She's leaving conventional medicine at the end of this 541 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,160 month to go full time into functional medicine because 542 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,040 she's, you know, sharing with us that it's all administration. 543 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,440 It all comes back to money making and you know, what are 544 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,680 you doing to treat the patient? How much more can we give them? 545 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,440 You know, all these things. And it's just really sad because 546 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,720 that is not healthcare. That is sick care, right? 547 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,880 And we appreciate it, right? If you have a, a broken arm, a 548 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,200 gunshot wound, like don't come to me and function medicine. 549 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,600 I I can't help you with those things. 550 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,320 But we also have a system that's set up and designed to not look 551 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,600 at the whole person, which it really is, is negligent. 552 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,000 Like I, I don't understand it. I can't fathom it. 553 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,120 We know all 11 systems of the body are intimately connected. 554 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,600 When you address 1, you need to be thinking about how that 555 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440 impacts others. Yet they work in silos, right? 556 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,200 You have your General practitioner, your OBGYN, your 557 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,640 endocrinologist, your gastroenterologist, and nobody 558 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,720 is really talking to each other and considering how this might 559 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,200 impact other things in the body. And so it's frustrating, it's 560 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600 angering. And that's why hopefully your 561 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,600 podcasts like this and you know, the work that we do, we can 562 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560 really help people. Even just free content, like I 563 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,120 put out so much free content just to help people, like give 564 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,000 them a little bit of direction to understand, you know, what 565 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,240 their symptoms are telling them. And then how they can start to 566 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,240 make changes if they're not in a place that they can fully go 567 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,000 into, you know, a program doing testing and protocols. 568 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,400 I feel like the tide is starting to shift. 569 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,160 I feel like people don't just automatically go to their family 570 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,600 doc. They typically go online and you 571 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,880 know, the functional medicine doctors, the people that are, 572 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,080 there's a bunch of noise online too, obviously. 573 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,400 But normally the functional medicine doctors are putting out 574 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,640 a lot more content than your standard Western medicine doc. 575 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,000 So the likelihood that they'll see better content I I think is, 576 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,440 is increasing hopefully. Yes, I hope so. 577 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,720 I would just, you know, we're always saying like be cautious 578 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,080 of the Google machine because, you know, anything that you 579 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Google is is dangerous. And I think it's looking at like 580 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,320 trust the source, right? Make sure that whatever you are 581 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,800 reading about, are you seeing multiple people talk about this? 582 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200 You know, for me, again, I talk a lot about stomach acid 583 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,200 support. I reference doctors, I reference 584 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,040 books. I talk about liver, gallbladder. 585 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,960 I reference, you know, resources online that are our doctors and 586 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,160 you know, again, books there things that you can do to 587 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,320 support your body. You know, naturally if you're 588 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,600 having a gallbladder attack, what can we do if we have all 589 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,480 these signs and symptoms before, you know, you land in the 590 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,920 emergency room, hopefully not in a septic states, but before you 591 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,960 land there. And their MO is to just remove 592 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360 the gallbladder. And your gallbladder is pretty 593 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,360 Dang important, especially if you're going to be living a life 594 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,440 that is low carb, more ketogenic, because you need that 595 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,640 bile. It's stored and it's 596 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,440 concentrated 20 times more than just the bile that's being 597 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,440 dripped, you know, from the liver continuously. 598 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,160 So I think that while we can live without our gallbladder and 599 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,440 while we can live without our appendix, we have to understand 600 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,440 God designed us miraculously and He gave them to us for a reason. 601 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Totally, 100%. So when it comes to the 602 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,360 gallbladder, those that have had their gallbladder removed that 603 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,560 are wanting to do a low carb ketogenic diet, what's your take 604 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,040 on that? How should they do things 605 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,880 differently? What can they expect? 606 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,280 Yeah, absolutely. So first and foremost, I talk a 607 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,200 lot about supporting with what's been lost, right. 608 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,400 Oxbile is a great support that we can put into place when we 609 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,480 don't have a gallbladder, especially if you're doing 610 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,240 higher fats. So for some individuals without 611 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,520 a gallbladder, what they're going to find, and this is not 612 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520 everybody, but it's the majority of people, and I don't have 613 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 stats to tell you percentages, but what they're going to find 614 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600 is that they get something called bile acid diarrhea. 615 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,600 OK, so you have a high fat meal. And this could honestly just be 616 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,280 somebody who's not doing keto. Let's say you went out for a 617 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,840 burger and fries, right? So you have a high fat meal and 618 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,800 your liver is giving you this constant drip of bile, but you 619 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080 don't have enough, right? So it's insufficient because 620 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,840 your, your gallbladder is not there with this concentrated and 621 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,440 stored bile to release at the right time and the right amount 622 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,080 for what's coming through the system. 623 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Then what can happen is that your body sees this is like, oh 624 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600 gosh, I can't handle this. It's going to pull water from, 625 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,520 you know, other organs around it and then just flood the 626 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,200 intestines. And you end up in a situation 627 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,920 where you've got now bile acid diarrhea and you're, you're not 628 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,680 able to, you know, break the fats down properly in a way 629 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,400 that, you know, you feel good. And you can actually have a 630 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,160 normal transit time to let food move through the digestive 631 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,720 tract, the small intestine, absorb the nutrients, and then 632 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280 put all the rest for waste in the large intestine. 633 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,560 So I'm a big belief and proponents that you need Oxbio 634 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,760 for individuals even with a gallbladder who might just be 635 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,440 struggling with Constipation or we're seeing, you know, again, 636 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,640 signs on their lab work or they're having that right side 637 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480 abdominal pain. They're having pebbly stools 638 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,240 that are what I call, you know, floaters. 639 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,880 You don't want your OOP to float. 640 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,600 That's a telltale sign that you're not breaking down your 641 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040 fats properly. Then you could put some Oxbio 642 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,840 and maybe you don't need as much right as the person who doesn't 643 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,960 have a gallbladder. They likely need more, but it's 644 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,960 really person independent. You got to kind of find your 645 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,680 dose. What keeps you feeling good and 646 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,640 what keeps your bowels like your bowels or your daily health like 647 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,760 report card for women, your monthly cycle is your monthly 648 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,720 report card, you know, so you kind of have to play around with 649 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280 that. But absolutely Oxfile, I'm a big 650 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,120 proponent of that. The liver doctor talks a lot 651 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,440 about this. They have actually a great book 652 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040 that talks about how to save your gallbladder and what to do 653 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,840 if you've lost it. There's a lot of stuff in there 654 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,280 too from a more ketogenic, you know, diet. 655 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,640 I'm a big fan of doing what you can with your diet in terms of 656 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,000 staying, you know, in this ketogenic state, but using foods 657 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080 that are more bitter, like polagogs, you know, things that 658 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,560 are going to stimulate bile flow. 659 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,360 So I start my day every morning with lemon water and a pinch of 660 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,240 sea salt. Even when I'm, you know, 661 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,240 fasting. If I'm not fasting, then 662 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,840 generally I'm doing like a beet juice that has lemon and ginger 663 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,640 and apple in there. It's really great. 664 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,960 Just, you know, cleansing the liver and supporting the 665 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,920 gallbladder, but it's not necessarily going to align 666 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480 probably with a a real true ketogenic therapeutic ketogenic 667 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,560 diet. So lemon water, you could use 668 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,800 things like dandelion greens, beets, greens, arugula, anything 669 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,320 that's going to be bitter, you know, to the tongue that's going 670 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960 to stimulate your brain that hey, we're getting ready to pair 671 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,480 for prepare for digestion. So it's going to help with 672 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,760 enzymes in your saliva secretion there from the stomach, stomach 673 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,680 acid support. We can talk a little bit more 674 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,720 about that too, especially with like maybe higher protein diets 675 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,480 like carnivore or something. But stomach acid is really, 676 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,600 really important. So we want to make sure that we 677 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,480 have robust stomach acid and, you know, then just really 678 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,200 rotating your foods as much as you possibly can. 679 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,680 So not eating the same foods all the time. 680 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,840 Hey, from a fat perspective, can I rotate my oils? 681 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Can I rotate my seeds that I might be using? 682 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,840 Can I rotate, you know, my meats, right? 683 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,480 Am I always stuck with red meat and chicken or can I pull in, 684 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,240 you know, some, some salmon and some sea bass as higher fat 685 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,200 fish? It's so yummy, you know, or just 686 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,040 some of these other protein sources that you might not 687 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,560 gravitate towards within whatever the parameters are of 688 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,360 what you're trying to fit, you know, your calories and your 689 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,000 macro distribution really try to diversify because the more 690 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,240 diversity with our food, the more diversity in the gut and 691 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,240 our gut microbes. And that's important for the 692 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,040 immune system and to have resilience to be able to handle 693 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,600 things that we might be exposed to. 694 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,280 So I think that is really, really important to maintain 695 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,719 that good, you know, balance in the gut microbiome that we we 696 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,560 think about those things with whatever type of diet that we're 697 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,080 doing. From a from a rotational 698 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,560 standpoint, like I'll typically keep like when I'm really 699 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,280 getting dialed in for a competition prep and I'm 700 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,840 tracking on my macros to the tea all often times from a meal prep 701 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,920 sustainability standpoint, keep my foods consistent on a week by 702 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,159 week basis. When it comes to gut microbiome 703 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,960 and rotating, rotating the food supply, how regularly should one 704 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,320 do that for optimization like this one need to do it on a 705 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,080 daily basis or on a weekly basis. 706 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,199 Would that be fine? Yeah. 707 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,120 So I've worked with a lot of, you know, prep, you know, 708 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,159 competitors, bodybuilders, and I think that we can do everything 709 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,520 within a season, right? So from that standpoint, it's 710 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,800 easy. I totally get it. 711 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400 If you can maybe rotate it, you know, week to week, that would 712 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,960 be good. But if you're really dialed in, 713 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,960 you just know what works for you works right, then maybe consider 714 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,520 other things that might be helpful. 715 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,880 So this might be something like a greens powder or Reds powder 716 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960 or a probiotic, for example. I'm very cautious with 717 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,720 probiotics because I don't want to overfeed certain things. 718 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,000 But again, so you could rotate that right in that season to 719 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,160 support, but then on your offseason, that's where I would 720 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,480 really focus on that diet diversity and kind of variation. 721 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,640 So, you know, you would ask me what I had for breakfast. 722 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640 Right now, I'm in a season of doing a little bit deeper 723 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,520 fasting for autophagy, mainly because of my genetics and 724 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,960 seeing what I need to do there. But then I'll flip out of this. 725 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,120 I'll go more Mediterranean for a period of time. 726 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,640 Like I won't always stay with fasting. 727 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,080 Like, you know, low carb. Right now I'm doing low carb in 728 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,480 my fasting window just because I'm trying to crank my ketones, 729 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,200 which I'd love to talk about ketones and not just low carve 730 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,440 keto, right, without tracking ketones. 731 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200 So I think it's OK for, you know, that season that you're 732 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,880 doing 12 to 16 week maybe of the prep, but then really try to do 733 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,200 what you can within it. And then on your offseason, be a 734 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680 little bit more diligent with, you know, really diversifying 735 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,720 different types of foods. Totally. 736 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,360 With regards to the bile, before I forget the amount of bile that 737 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,520 is secreted by the liver and that drip rate like that, that's 738 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,200 pretty adaptable, correct? I mean, it's not like that's a 739 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,760 constant. So if one is just starting a 740 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,160 higher fat approach, they might need to submit with the ox bile 741 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,640 in the beginning, but then they can likely taper that off as 742 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,480 their body up regulates that excretion. 743 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,640 How does that if they have a gallbladder? 744 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,240 If they yeah, if they have a gallbladder. 745 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,800 Yeah, if they have a gallbladder, yes, I would say 746 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,920 so, as long as your biofeedback is good. 747 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880 So again, what I would be looking at from a biofeedback 748 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800 perspective is how I feel after eating my meals. 749 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,680 Am I getting bloated and distended? 750 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,200 Am I getting, you know, gassy? Am I going to the bathroom every 751 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,440 day #4 is what you're going for. If you're looking on a Bristol 752 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,200 stool chart, snake like sausage, like easy to pass, you're not 753 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,480 straining to go to the bathroom, you're not seeing floating 754 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,320 stools. Again, that can be a sign of a 755 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,800 malabsorption and, you know, not breaking down your fats well 756 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,640 enough. So I think it's very personally 757 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,560 dependent. I know tons of people who thrive 758 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,120 right on a ketogenic diet or even a carnivore diet and aren't 759 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,880 taking a lot of supplements to support this. 760 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,640 But I think that it's also wise to support stomach acid. 761 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,880 OK, so stomach acid. So when I think about chemical 762 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,200 digestion, right, we have our mechanical, which is our chewing 763 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,120 chemical digestion is going to include your stomach acid, all 764 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,480 your pancreatic enzymes and your bile. 765 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600 So stomach acid. We got to talk to the big man 766 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,320 upstairs at some point about this. 767 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,320 I don't understand why we're designed this way, but it down 768 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,760 regulates as we age. We have, the stats are that I 769 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,800 have seen is 40% less stomach acid at the age of 40 than we 770 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,880 did at 20. But on top of that stress. 771 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,400 And then if you are doing something like a vegan 772 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,120 vegetarian diet where it's very low protein, the body is like, I 773 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,560 don't necessarily need this much stomach acid because I don't 774 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,720 have enough like protein, right? So stomach acid is there to do 2 775 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,960 things, help you breakdown protein into amino acids and 776 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,200 also to protect you from different viruses, bacteria, 777 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,080 parasites that you might be exposed to. 778 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,680 Very, very important. A lot of people have heartburn, 779 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,040 acid reflux or GERD. They think that it's too much 780 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200 stomach acid and that's not actually true. 9 out of 10 times 781 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,760 it's too little stomach acid. And the mechanism there, I 782 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,080 always give this example. If you think of a smoothie, if 783 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,600 you're going to make a smoothie in a blender and you put a bunch 784 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,200 of greens in there and frozen fruits and veggies, but you 785 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,400 don't put any water, any juice or anything to blend it, how's 786 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,320 that smoothie going to come out? Probably not real tasty. 787 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,000 Super, super thick, maybe chunky, right? 788 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,120 So this is what stomach acid does. 789 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,760 It's the juice. It's the kind of water to really 790 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,640 blend things and get it to this really small. 791 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,000 We call it chyme, right? That's really broken down 792 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,400 molecules that can then move into the small intestine to be 793 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,880 absorbed. So if we're not having enough 794 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,120 stomach acid, we're going to experience downstream effects 795 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,400 with the bloating, the gas, the bacterial overgrowth, you know, 796 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,040 Constipation issues. And I just think it's really 797 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,240 important to think digestion north to South. 798 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,520 And so to your point of like the bile, for example, if your liver 799 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,360 and gallbladder is doing well, like, yeah, your body should be 800 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040 doing what it should do. And you should be able to flip 801 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,560 in and out of, you know, high fat or low fat or whatever that 802 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,400 is for you and feel okay digestively if things are 803 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,280 running optimally. But we also want to support 804 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000 stomach acid too. And as you do that, maybe you're 805 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,640 taking a supplemental potain HCL stomach acid support for a 806 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,720 period of time. Well, your body should start to 807 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,400 up regulate the production and so then you can wean off of it. 808 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,560 The caveat that I give here is because stress depletes stomach 809 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,880 acid along with other vitamins and minerals you might consider 810 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,160 in high stress times like pregnancy, postpartum, right? 811 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,760 That's a very nutrient demanding time and also very nutrient 812 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,600 depleting time. Don't go towards the peptid. 813 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,920 If you have heartburn and you're pregnant, go towards the betaine 814 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080 HCL or apple cider vinegar or something that's going to 815 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,600 actually support stomach acid levels so that you can absorb 816 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,240 all the nutrients that you're consuming. 817 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,360 It's a big difference between ingestion, right? 818 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,520 And digestion, actually being able to absorb it. 819 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,240 So those are two things that I think a lot of people miss. 820 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,040 And again, I wish conventional medicine talked about these 821 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,360 things from a reference. There is a really good book 822 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,200 called Why Stomach Acid is Good for You. 823 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,240 It's written by a doctor and he calls out conventional medicine 824 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,800 and pharmaceutical companies and all the PPI's that they put 825 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,440 people on because that is so damaging to the body. 826 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:54,120 We see a lot of malabsorption, we see a lot of liver burden and 827 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,080 even some liver diseases that are associated with long term 828 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040 use of PPI. So if you read the pamphlet, it 829 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,320 says they're very clearly short term, like 6-8 weeks while you 830 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,640 work on maybe some other things and then you're off of it 831 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360 because it suppresses your stomach acid and stomach acid is 832 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,360 so, so important. And part of the importance of 833 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,520 that too is also signaling to your pancreas into your 834 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,720 gallbladder to release, hey, we got stuff here. 835 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,800 We need to, you know, digest, give me some bile, give me some 836 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,080 pancreatic enzymes. So it's all important. 837 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,680 And so I think it just is going to be based upon your 838 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,320 biofeedback, how you're feeling as to what you need and maybe 839 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,440 then how much. So from a dosing perspective. 840 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,080 You mentioned that for people with gallbladders, I like a 841 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,960 product called Beta Plus and I want to say it's 125 milligrams 842 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,520 if I'm not mistaken. But you can alternate size of 843 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,600 the meal or every other meal, maybe what you want to take and 844 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,200 see how you feel one to two, maybe you need more, you know, I 845 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,680 don't know. If you don't have a gallbladder, 846 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,920 generally some people are in the the ballpark of like 500 847 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,400 milligrams, sometimes 1000 milligrams. 848 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,320 Again, going to be person kind of independent there and and 849 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,120 what their biofeedback is telling them with all the things 850 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,640 that I mentioned before. So without a gallbladder, it's 851 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,400 probably safe to say that one would likely need to supplement 852 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,000 the bile salts and a stomach acid supplement pretty much on a 853 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,240 daily basis, especially if they're following a higher fat, 854 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,600 lower carb approach. Absolutely. 855 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:29,120 For the bile salts, bile acids, I want to say yes. 856 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,400 For stomach acid, I believe that everybody should be supporting 857 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,320 with stomach acid at least, you know, again, cycling it in 858 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,760 certain seasons, thinking about stress. 859 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,920 I don't think anybody in the world today is lacking stress. 860 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,320 So, you know, a big part of that too is like, are you eating in a 861 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,800 rush on the go or are you sitting down with your meals and 862 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000 you're getting in a calm state, You're not distracted, you're 863 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,440 chewing your food really well. Again, 20 to 30 times. 864 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,520 So it's really I, I not throwing rocks at a glass house here 865 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,960 because this is real hard, especially with a newborn and 866 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,960 just life in general. It's really hard. 867 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,640 I keep supporting that. Chemical digestion is very 868 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,200 important. Absolutely. 869 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,560 I'm curious what your thoughts are regarding the chemical 870 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,280 digestion and the mechanical digestion. 871 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,400 Do you have a take on what a species appropriate diet is for 872 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,960 us as humans? Because like we look at other 873 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,760 animals and there's no question as to what they're supposed to 874 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,240 eat. Like they just nobody has to 875 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,280 tell them what to eat. They just know what is a species 876 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,840 appropriate diet. Whereas with humans, there's, 877 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600 you know, hardcore vegans out there, hardcore carnivores and 878 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,520 everything in between. But when you look at the stomach 879 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,800 acid concentration that we have a species have, it's more 880 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,640 similar to that of, you know, vultures and you know, animals 881 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,880 that are predominantly carnivore. 882 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,640 And you've got the fact that we do not have a room and we don't 883 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480 have a four chambered stomach. We don't have a very we don't 884 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,760 have a cecum like that of a orangutan. 885 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,760 That's obviously, you know, eating a lot more plants. 886 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,120 When you look at it from a mechanical standpoint, do you 887 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,360 think there is a species appropriate that for us or is 888 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,720 there not really good argument to be made for us eating extreme 889 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:13,840 one or the other? Yeah, I'm really not for the 890 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,880 extremes. And a large reason is I believe 891 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,560 that the more diversity that have in your diet and there's a 892 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,680 lot of research around this and things that we can you know, 893 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,440 look up and link here. But we are we are made of 894 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,000 bacteria, right? We have trillions of different 895 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,080 types of bacteria in our gut. And so when we go really, really 896 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,080 far one side, you know, or the other, we're not then feeding 897 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,080 certain microbes or bacteria that are really important, you 898 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,800 know, and so that plays a big role with our immune system. 899 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,800 So if we have more of a diverse diet and you know, we're able to 900 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,120 tolerate that because that's a different conversation, right? 901 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,160 Like somebody could be going on what they feel is the right 902 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,640 thing for them, whether it's carnivore or keto or vegan or 903 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640 just whatever they might be airing towards one side or the 904 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,600 other. Yet their body is telling them 905 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,800 like I can't stomach this. I don't feel well. 906 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,880 My energy dips after I'm having bloating, I'm having gas like 907 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,720 upset stomach, gurgling, abdominal pain, all those 908 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,480 things. Well, we can look at a gut 909 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,920 microbiome test and see maybe what's off within their 910 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,960 bacterial balance, right? But I find that most people get 911 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,920 into this place of dysbiotic bacteria, not necessarily 912 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,240 because of diets like what we're talking about that are more one 913 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,840 ingredient, Whole Foods, but more so because they're stressed 914 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,200 out. They're running around with 915 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,760 their hair on fire. They're eating ultra processed 916 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,720 foods. They are drinking way too much 917 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,520 sugar and carbonated beverages and just, you know, things like 918 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,920 even coffee. I love coffee, but coffee is 919 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,840 notorious for mold. Like are you getting a good 920 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,560 organic mold free certified coffee or are you getting that 921 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,360 coffee that's sold at the dollar store, you know, that's been 922 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,840 sitting on the shelf? Who knows where it's coming 923 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,760 from? So I personally don't air on the 924 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,160 side of the extremes. I think the person needs to find 925 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,920 what's right for them. And I think that going through 926 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,760 different seasons of diet variation is very important for, 927 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,320 you know, a variety of factors like the immune system, 928 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,760 metabolic flexibility, you know, really supporting, again, 929 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,720 resilience. So if I go on vacation, I'm not 930 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,040 ending up in a state where I feel awful, 7 pounds, 10 lbs up 931 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,040 coming home because my body is like, what the heck? 932 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,960 I never knew how to, like, handle this stuff. 933 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,400 Or I've been on a very restrictive protocol for so long 934 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,880 and then I just fell off the Cliff, right? 935 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,800 It's, it's just like you said, your body is going to up 936 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,640 regulate and down regulate some of the chemical digestion, if 937 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,200 that's what you're calling for it. 938 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,040 And I, I believe that is a great design that we have internally, 939 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,200 but most people don't wean themselves off of these type of 940 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,280 really restrictive diets, right? They're like, I'm going to do 941 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,680 this until I go on vacation and then I'm just going ham. 942 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,960 And then they're like, why am IA wreck? 943 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,560 And I'm bloated and I look, I'm six months pregnant, You know 944 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,080 what I mean? So I don't know if that answers 945 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,440 your question, but I don't err on the side of like you have to 946 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920 be this is the only way to eat for the rest of your life. 947 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,840 Yeah, no, totally. I mean, me personally, I eat. 948 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,560 I don't consider myself carnivore because I'll have some 949 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,760 vegetation from time to time. I don't eat a lot of vegetation, 950 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,400 though my wife does. So I'll occasionally have, you 951 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,400 know, a big plate of Brussels sprouts cooked in bacon, 952 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,760 broccoli, something of that nature. 953 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,080 And I don't eat enough of it for me to feel great to when I do. 954 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,120 Like, I can tell that it's kind of, you know, out, out of the 955 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,680 mind norm. And a lot of people in the 956 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,720 hardcore carnivore space look at them. 957 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,120 They just throw their hands up in the spell. 958 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,480 Oh, I'm definitely supposed to eat veggies. 959 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040 But it's like they're eating nothing but rib eyes for six 960 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,400 months straight and they have a salad, and then they don't feel 961 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,880 great. But it's not really a surprise 962 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,040 because their gut microbiome needs to acclimate to that 963 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,000 ingestion. Yes, yeah. 964 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920 I mean, it's just like if you were on a keto diet, right? 965 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,560 And then you just fell off the Cliff and you ate pizza and, you 966 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:56,760 know, burger and fries or whatever. 967 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,120 Like, you know, are you going to have what you need to break down 968 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,320 the carbohydrates and, you know, what's your pancreas doing? 969 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,760 So I, I agree with you and I think that people we need to 970 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,280 recognize that a lot of these diets were designed temporarily, 971 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,360 right? When we think about even the 972 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,120 ketogenic diet, the therapeutic ketogenic diet that was designed 973 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,600 to help, you know, people that are needing to get into 974 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,120 autophagy and, you know, calm things down in the body and, you 975 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,880 know, fight cancer and all of these things. 976 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,160 And it's a diet that people have then thought, well, this is a 977 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,560 diet lifestyle. Like that's the diet that I 978 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,120 should just do for the rest of my life. 979 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,960 It's kind of like vegan, vegan and vegetarians. 980 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,720 And that's fine. If you want to do those things 981 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,480 and you feel good doing those things, I'm a support for that 982 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,600 because again, everyone is very bio individual. 983 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,760 And I also believe too, we have to take into the mental 984 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,400 emotional aspect here that some people are like, you know what? 985 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,680 It's just easier for me to live this way because I know that if 986 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,640 I don't, maybe I am eating the entire can of Pringles or I'm 987 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,920 craving, you know, all these things. 988 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,280 And so I'm a fan of whatever suits you, that allows you to 989 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,760 feel your best. But then also, let's be mindful 990 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,280 that we should fill the gaps of maybe things that we're not 991 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,600 getting. And so again, for like a vegan 992 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,920 or vegetarian diet, who's not getting a lot of exposure to one 993 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,320 of the most nutrient dense sources on the planet, right? 994 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,400 Whether it's organs or just beef, then OK, let's give you 995 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,400 like a good B complex or a liver supplement, something along 996 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,760 those lines to just help replace what essentially is lost or 997 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,040 what's missing because you're not diversifying your diet. 998 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,440 Totally agree. I think there's a lot of 999 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,000 benefits to, it's kind of a different topic, but on the same 1000 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,280 page. So I'm a big advocate for having 1001 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,120 periods of time where you're in a strategic, you know, caloric 1002 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,200 surplus, there's benefits behind there and then counteracting 1003 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,200 that with strategic periods, time in a deficit. 1004 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,800 That's why you know me as a natural bodybuilder, I'll have a 1005 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,640 competition prep and then I'll spend more time than not in a 1006 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,560 surplus building muscle. I feel like a lot of people miss 1007 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,440 the boat because they'll just chronically under eat or they're 1008 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,760 they'll chronically overeat, neither of which is optimal. 1009 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,880 There's a yin Yang there. But from a digestive standpoint 1010 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,960 alone, what is optimal in that regard? 1011 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,160 Because like, it's probably not optimal for us as a species to 1012 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,400 be just constantly snacking all day long. 1013 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,160 Like I think when I'm in a surplus, I don't ever do 1014 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,120 extended fast when I'm in a deficit because that's a 1015 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,560 stressor on the body in and of itself. 1016 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,640 But when I'm in a surplus eating a lot in abundance, I will do a 1017 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,920 strategic extended fast to give my digestion a breather. 1018 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,800 From that, you know, taxation of taking in more food and being 1019 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,640 more active throughout the day. Is there any thoughts towards 1020 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,640 how frequently one should eat to optimize overall digestive 1021 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,560 function? Yeah, so I agree with you. 1022 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,120 We are not meant to just be grazing all day long. 1023 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,960 I forget the stats I heard recently. 1024 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,320 It was like somewhere in the ballpark of people are snacking 1025 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,240 and eating like 17 times a day. I think it's wild. 1026 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,360 Right. And if I'm left to my own 1027 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,440 devices, I mean, if I'm left to my own devices, like before 1028 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,000 knowing what I know, yeah, I would. 1029 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,160 You know, I used to think, oh, I got to eat 5 small meals a day. 1030 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,480 I used to tell clients that like 10 years ago, I got to eat my 1031 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,800 5-6 small meals a day for fat loss. 1032 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,360 Really, you know, three to four hours when we think about, you 1033 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,480 know, peristalsis and motility and moving things through the 1034 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,360 digestive tract about every three to four hours is what I 1035 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,400 would say between your meals is good for me. 1036 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,120 Right now though, I am in a, like I mentioned before, a 1037 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,440 fasting window and I'm not trying to just slash my 1038 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,120 calories. Some people will do that, right? 1039 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,560 They're going to use intermittent fasting and as a 1040 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,600 way to diet, but they're just slashing calories. 1041 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:45,840 And so I have found that within this window, I can get two solid 1042 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,440 meals in. And if I'm not where I need to 1043 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,280 be, you know, calorically, then I might fit in a snack in 1044 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,040 between there and then I'm fasting again. 1045 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,600 You know, so if you're somebody who's not doing some of these 1046 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,440 longer fasting windows, I think every three to four hours, like 1047 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,920 you're having a breakfast, maybe a lunch and then your dinner. 1048 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,440 Or like you said, if I am having this time frame where I'm having 1049 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,320 larger meals, then I'm fasting deeper between. 1050 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,120 But part of the reason why this is important for digestion is 1051 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,400 that any time that you start snacking and you bring food in, 1052 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,440 the motility and the peristalsis, the motor migrating 1053 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,320 complex is not doing its thing. And so that kind of puts a halt 1054 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,520 to it, right? And so it's like these 90 minute 1055 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,400 wave like motions that we get to move food through the digestive 1056 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,560 tract. But then you're disrupting that 1057 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,440 if you're eating every 60 minutes, you know, or whatever. 1058 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,800 So I think that people, you know, really should not be 1059 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,360 grazing all day long and that they should be eating 1060 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,800 well-rounded meals that also support their blood sugar 1061 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,480 levels. Again, if that's more on a low 1062 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,200 carb side, cool. If it's more Mediterranean 1063 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,880 based, cool. But again, most people in our 1064 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,840 society, they do what I used to do. 1065 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,520 They eat processed packaged foods. 1066 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,160 They're stopping at Starbucks with a sugary latte and like a 1067 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,600 bagel or something. There's not protein there, no 1068 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,560 nutritional value to that. And then they're wondering why 1069 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:05,800 their blood Sugar's all over the the place. 1070 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,440 They're crashing, they're feeling like crap, they're 1071 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,480 craving for more carbs. And so they're making more poor 1072 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,560 choices, Right. So I think that's, you know, you 1073 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,200 have to find what works for you and then go through season. 1074 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,040 So I 100% agree with you on the periodization aspect. 1075 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,200 I kind of liken this to, you know, sports where you're in 1076 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,240 season, you're offseason, then you're coming back and kind of 1077 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,080 doing like the the prep work and the practice and working on your 1078 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,320 skills. You know, you should go through 1079 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,360 seasons, you know, where you're doing different things, where 1080 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,560 yes, you are in a deficit to achieve a specific goal, then 1081 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,440 you're reversing out of it, right? 1082 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,760 Then maybe you're on vacation for a week and you just enjoy 1083 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,960 life and you don't stress about every morsel that goes in your 1084 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,680 mouth weighing your food, all the things. 1085 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,280 And then maybe you're going into that surplus to where your goal 1086 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,400 is muscle mass, right? You're putting on lean muscle 1087 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,200 tissue if you can. And of course, with that, you're 1088 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,520 probably going to gain a little bit of fat. 1089 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,760 So then you're going to want to go back into cycling into the 1090 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,920 deficit. So I agree with you there. 1091 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,640 And obviously the choices that people make within all of those 1092 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,760 times is going to be based upon what their individual goals are 1093 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,440 and what, you know, again, they feel best with. 1094 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,800 No, totally agree with the honor of France. 1095 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,880 It's, it's exciting to talk to somebody that like views things 1096 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480 the same way that's not a competitor because like I speak 1097 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,440 to things from a competitor standpoint, but like the clients 1098 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,560 that work with, I mean, most of them are not competitors. 1099 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,240 But like we're all humans. So having periods of time and a 1100 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,000 deficit, periods of time and a surplus, embracing a little bit 1101 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,360 of body fat that comes when you're in a surplus, reversing 1102 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,880 out of a deficit in a healthy manner. 1103 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,160 Like these are all foreign concepts of so many people that 1104 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,600 are not competitors. But it's like everybody would 1105 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,640 benefit from this, whether you ever plan on stepping on stage 1106 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,280 or not. Yeah. 1107 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,720 And you know, when we talk about metabolic flexibility, that 1108 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,480 allows you to be metabolically flexible, that your body knows, 1109 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,920 like, hey, I've been here before, I'm good. 1110 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,760 But instead we have this whole camp of people who have just 1111 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,600 chronically died. I think, you know, women, if you 1112 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,520 talk to your girlfriends like they're always on a diet, right? 1113 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,960 Most of them, the better you want, you know who your friends 1114 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,320 are, but you know, all the crazes. 1115 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,040 And then we have the GLP wands and we have the HCG diet and we 1116 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,160 had the fat free diet, right? We had all these different 1117 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,480 crazes over the past, you know, a few decades and people are so 1118 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,840 lost and they're like, well, what the heck then? 1119 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,440 Do I eat? Every time you open up social 1120 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,200 media, something else is demonized, right? 1121 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,760 And like, I thought this was good for me. 1122 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,440 And like, what are your thoughts on, you know, well, red meat 1123 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,160 raises cholesterol, eggs raise cholesterol. 1124 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,400 Hopefully, if you guys listen to this podcast, you know that's 1125 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,640 not true. You've seen the evidence, the 1126 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,640 research, like, you know, it's not true. 1127 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,080 It's just fear mongering and then people just get so 1128 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,000 overwhelmed that then they're kind of like in this paralyzed 1129 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,840 mode and there's like, F it, right? 1130 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,320 They get the case of that. I'm just going to go and eat 1131 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,240 what I want because everything is bad for me. 1132 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:46,640 I'm going to die eventually anyway. 1133 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,600 And so, you know, I hope that we can also start to shift on my 1134 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,920 podcast. We've talked in the past a lot 1135 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,360 about, you know, reverse dieting, but you know, what's 1136 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,240 important for your metabolism, for your thyroid to function, 1137 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,320 for your hormones to be online for women, you know, especially 1138 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,800 in the physique competitor world. 1139 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,320 My business partner, she was in, you know, CrossFit for a long 1140 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,760 time and competing there. She lost her period for three 1141 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,640 years, you know, and so it's like, how do we also teach 1142 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,720 people who do want to focus on aesthetics and compete that 1143 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,560 there are very, very important things that we need to address 1144 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,600 in the offseason so that we can maintain good metabolic health 1145 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,320 and flexibility and hormones and all those things. 1146 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,400 And then you know that the on season doesn't last 52 weeks of 1147 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,160 the year, meaning you're not dieting 52 weeks of the year. 1148 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,440 Yeah, 100%. I totally agree. 1149 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,080 I mean, one of my biggest frustrations within the, you 1150 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,920 know, competitive spaces, so many of them are just, you know, 1151 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,840 fixated on the calories in calories app model exclusively. 1152 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,160 And I mean, they'll eat a ton of processed food with no thoughts 1153 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,760 given towards what that's doing to the gut microbiome, to 1154 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,880 overall health markers, to blood sugar regulation. 1155 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,840 So I've been trying to, you know, fight against that, shout 1156 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,760 that from the rooftops for years, but there's so much 1157 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,680 disagreement with everything. It's very, very frustrating. 1158 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,680 So I think so much of it can be answered simply by eating real 1159 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,480 food regardless. I don't ever want to be dogmatic 1160 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,120 or, you know, exist in an information silo where I'm just, 1161 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,440 you know, hardcore keto for everybody is the only way. 1162 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,400 But it's like if everybody just ate real food as the majority of 1163 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,080 their consumption, that would solve so many problems. 1164 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,520 And that is an obvious, clear message, yet so few people do 1165 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,640 it, probably from a convenience standpoint. 1166 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,520 And that's why we're plagued with all the issues that we have 1167 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,520 today. Yeah, you know, and I agree with 1168 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,480 you in terms of like, there are so many people who still believe 1169 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,960 calories in, calories out is like all that matters. 1170 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,240 You know, I had an OBGYN say to me when I was tracking my 1171 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,200 calories at 1200 and, you know, going to the gym, training four 1172 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,560 to five days a week, doing boot camp. 1173 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,920 Don't do boot camp. Please don't do boot camp. 1174 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,920 Ladies out there listening strength strain, lift heavy shit 1175 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,240 and walk daily multiple times a day. 1176 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,280 But you know, she's like, yeah, you just need to eat less and 1177 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,720 move more. And I was like, it's not 1178 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,440 working. And so many people are stuck. 1179 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,800 And so then again, they're resorting to peptides. 1180 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,840 And I totally support those and, you know, using them in the the 1181 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,680 right way. But we just have this still 1182 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,960 crazy diet culture that people truly are sold on the fact that 1183 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,880 it's calories and calories out is all that matters. 1184 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,080 And it's not like when we dive into people's lab work and we're 1185 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,960 really looking at, you know, blocking factors. 1186 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,440 How is their gut microbiome doing? 1187 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,440 How is their liver doing? Are we able to, you know, get 1188 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,200 the proper signalling to the pancreas for insulin and all of 1189 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,760 these different things that truly matter, You know, for 1190 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,640 metabolic health? For some people, it's not 1191 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,400 calories and calories out because they've been in a place 1192 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,600 for so long that they've been trying all the things and 1193 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,320 they've down regulated the metabolism that they actually in 1194 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,640 fact need to reverse diet, bring things back online and then go 1195 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,600 back into a deficit and hopefully see results. 1196 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,840 But I know there are a lot of people on social media that 1197 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,880 would just continue that, you know, preaching to the choir 1198 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,720 that it's galleries, encounters. I mean, when people come to me 1199 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,720 and they want to lose weight and I got to tell them, hey, look, 1200 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,840 we're going to eat more, you're probably going to put on some 1201 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,160 weight. Like that's a hard sell. 1202 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,200 People don't get it. But it's like, look, what you've 1203 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,120 done for the last 20 years clearly isn't working for you. 1204 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,280 What's your alternative? You know? 1205 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,680 Well, I always ask women, You're telling me that you are tired, 1206 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:22,040 you are irritable, you're not pooping, you have digestive 1207 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,640 issues and you've been eating this way for the past 10 years. 1208 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,280 Where do you want to go from here? 1209 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,320 Because I can't help you with all of these symptoms. 1210 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,200 If you think calories are the only thing that matter and that 1211 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,960 1200 calories that you have now put as like your, you know, step 1212 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,000 point. Essentially what I'm going to do 1213 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,000 is slash you to 600 and then you can't get out of bed. 1214 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,600 Your fatigue gets worse, you know, your thyroid down 1215 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,440 regulates and your all these other symptoms that you're 1216 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,120 trying to fix, it's just not going to happen. 1217 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,880 And so we have to also, I think obviously educate and explain 1218 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,400 the whys behind what we're doing. 1219 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,000 You know, for a lot of women that I've worked with over the 1220 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,840 years, I would honestly say for me, with the right strategy to 1221 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,240 reverse dieting, only about 10% of them, you know, really gained 1222 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,560 weight and some of those people. Maybe weren't telling the truth 1223 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,640 about how consistent that 1200 calories, you know, had been. 1224 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,880 And so when we get them on a consistent pattern of just 1225 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,240 eating, OK, maybe we are dropping weights or at, you 1226 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,640 know, the worst for them, they are maintaining weight, but then 1227 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,680 they're seeing improvements with the other symptoms, you know, so 1228 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,960 there's a lot of ways that it can go. 1229 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,320 I think, you know, as you know, we just have to be strategic 1230 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,520 about how we reverse diet someone. 1231 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,320 And then yes, there are the cases that it is a chance that 1232 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,280 you're going to put on some weight. 1233 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,000 And sometimes we have to go, you know, backwards to go forward. 1234 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,240 You know, the body is going to do what it needs to do. 1235 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,280 If your body is like, hey, I can't restore a thyroid 1236 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,120 function. I can't restore adrenal function 1237 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,920 and, and build these hormones unless I store a little bit more 1238 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,920 fat, right? Like your body is pretty Dang 1239 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,720 smart. Like it's going to do what it 1240 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,840 needs to do. And if we're playing the long 1241 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,720 game, we'll get you there, but we can't get you there in a 1242 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,240 healthy manner to where you are going to feel good and you're 1243 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,000 going to have optimal biofeedback. 1244 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,160 Eating 600 calories a day. Never going to happen for 1245 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,880 anybody. Totally agree. 1246 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,120 I mean my 2 1/2 year old eats more than that every single day. 1247 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,640 So like the idea that we as full grown adults should be consuming 1248 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,520 the same as a 2 1/2 year old that weighs 34 lbs is just not a 1249 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,000 realistic expectation. Yeah. 1250 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,160 And again, you know, it's it's the culture that has been 1251 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,480 created. And, you know, hopefully people 1252 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,920 will come around to understanding that a lot of 1253 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,080 this. I mean, if it was truly that 1254 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,000 right, then why we have to ask a question? 1255 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,080 Are so many people obese and overweight? 1256 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,720 Right? Like everybody says, like, oh, 1257 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,560 Weight Watchers worked for me. No, it didn't work for you 1258 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,080 because you've done it 12 times. Like if it worked for you, you 1259 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,760 would be sitting here telling me like, I've gotten to a place 1260 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,960 where I can maintain. I'm doing an Instagram Live 1261 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,840 tomorrow. And I have actually some some 1262 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,760 funny questions. And one of them is like, do you 1263 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,520 track your food? And I'm like, I can't tell you 1264 01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,520 the last time I tracked my food. Like I just even in this cut 1265 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,080 that I'm doing right now, essentially like it's working, 1266 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,040 I'm eating. I mean, obviously the knowledge 1267 01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,800 is there so I don't have to put everything on a scale. 1268 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,880 Like I can look at things. But it's just, you know, I think 1269 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,480 that we also get so dogmatic sometimes with some of these 1270 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,640 things that people lose sight of how to eat. 1271 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,280 Like you said, normal real food, how to build a meal and just get 1272 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,560 nourishment in and not focus so much on the calories but rather 1273 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,640 focus on the nourishment and what that food is going to do 1274 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,680 for our body. 100% I'm curious, do you have a take on? 1275 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,640 Yeah, obviously we're on the same page when it comes to hyper 1276 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,600 palatable processed foods, too much sugar. 1277 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,400 Do you have a take one with the other when it comes to seed 1278 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,320 oils, I mean, that's like the hype right now. 1279 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,400 Seed oil, some people demonize it, some people say it's no 1280 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,800 issue whatsoever. Do you have thoughts on it, 1281 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,680 especially as it pertains to digestion? 1282 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,120 Digestion health overall? Yeah. 1283 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,520 So I think I believe in the principle of hermesis, right? 1284 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,360 First of all, you're never going to avoid all seed oils. 1285 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,960 They're just unless you're living under a rock or you're 1286 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,600 like you're making everything yourself. 1287 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,520 Even some of the healthier, right. 1288 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,680 Alternatives to processed packaged foods are going to have 1289 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,880 some what they define as seed oils, right? 1290 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:15,600 So whether that's like sunflower oil or you know what not, there 1291 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,200 is some evidence that I have seen that if it's a good 1292 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,520 quality, like organic cold pressed, you know, type of the 1293 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,440 processing, you know, you can have some of those oils in your 1294 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,960 diet and not have an inflammatory reaction. 1295 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,680 I think what people don't realize when we're talking about 1296 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,800 the research out there regarding the inflammatory response with 1297 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,160 seed oils is it's a lot to do with the the chemical 1298 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,600 processing, right And where it's going rancid. 1299 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,400 Because, you know, the, the other thing we have to think 1300 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,720 about too is like, even if you have olive oil, but you're 1301 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,360 cooking in a super high, you know, temperature, that's going 1302 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,000 to turn that rancid and not be good for the body either. 1303 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,960 So I believe that, you know, for me and the way that we run our 1304 01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,360 households, we minimize them at all costs. 1305 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,560 But I'm not going to never go out to eat and enjoy a meal with 1306 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,440 my family because it's not going to be, you know, made with 1307 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,440 tallow, right? So I think that everybody's 1308 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,840 threshold is a little bit different. 1309 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,360 Of course, if you are constantly eating fried foods and you're 1310 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,160 cooking with vegetable oil and canola oil and all that stuff, 1311 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,360 we know that they're more pro inflammatory. 1312 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,200 Do I think that it is the thing to focus on? 1313 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,120 Not necessarily. I think people need to learn how 1314 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,720 to eat 1 ingredient Whole Foods. And if they have some fried food 1315 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,720 every once in a while, they're not going to die, right? 1316 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,200 You're going to be OK. But it's the overall 1317 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,000 inflammation load to the body. And so for that, that's where I 1318 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,200 go back to. And I think about what is in my 1319 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,680 environment, my air quality, my water quality, especially 1320 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,120 drinking, you know, filtered water. 1321 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,680 What am I putting on my skin every single day? 1322 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,720 My body wash, right? My makeup, my all the things 1323 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,240 that, you know, men and women use just for their personal care 1324 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,640 products. Your toothpaste, you know, all 1325 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,560 those things I think matter more before we get into the weeds of 1326 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,880 like, Oh my gosh, they had something that was like not 1327 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,760 grass fed or, you know, had some granola oil in it or whatever. 1328 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,360 So, you know, I guess I'm not really answering your question 1329 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,760 directly there, but there's evidence on both sides. 1330 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,120 Some people are going to tell you that, you know, there's no 1331 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,480 harm in it at all. I'm going to say that we can see 1332 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,840 it before our own eyes, right? We have fast food and 1333 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,080 restaurants that use these oils because they're cheaper and we 1334 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,280 have people who are more obese and more disease than ever. 1335 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,840 So there's definitely a correlation. 1336 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,680 Is it causation? We can't say that in small 1337 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,240 amounts. Think your body should be able 1338 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,040 to handle it just fine. It's not going to be something 1339 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,200 that is going to make you, you know, obese or 'cause, you know, 1340 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,680 a heart attack. But it's the amount, the devil's 1341 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,160 in the dose that people are using. 1342 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,280 So I'm going to air on the side of avocado, olive oil, you know, 1343 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,160 beef tallow, grass fed butter, those types of things for my 1344 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,000 main sources. And then if I go out to eat or 1345 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,360 go on vacation, I'm not going to freak out that it's going to be 1346 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,280 in canola or vegetable oil. Yeah, no, I, I agree on all 1347 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,240 fronts. I mean, I, I look at how things 1348 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,640 are processed quite a bit and I don't think it's the, you know, 1349 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,480 the reason we are in the obesity epidemic that we are now. 1350 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,720 But it's like just from a critical thinking, common sense 1351 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,480 standpoint, like if they have to deodorize it in order to make it 1352 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,760 palatable, I probably don't want to consume it as the as a norm, 1353 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,400 but I'm not going to like go way out of my way from a convenience 1354 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,640 standpoint to avoid it if I'm at a restaurant or something on the 1355 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,000 occasional time I do with my family. 1356 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,040 Like you got to be able to live with the reality that we're in 1357 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,920 right now. Yeah, yeah. 1358 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,520 I have a good friend, Ben Azadi, and he created this card. 1359 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,080 I'm sure you've seen his card, his allergy card. 1360 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,200 And I think that's awesome, right? 1361 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,680 I do. I think that's awesome and I 1362 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,000 fully support it. I'm probably not taking it with 1363 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,560 me to every restaurant. Yeah, no, for sure. 1364 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,400 Ben's a great guy. I just, I mean, I eat super 1365 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,720 simple restaurants when I eat. I mean, I get like a steak and 1366 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,120 salad and I typically ask them if they cook it or what they 1367 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,560 cook it in and if I have the option, I'll have them cook it 1368 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,880 in butter. But like that's the extent that 1369 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,480 I'll go with it, you know? I just had two and if people go 1370 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,880 out to eat for breakfast, I'll always say, hey, can you throw 1371 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,240 that? Can you make my eggs in butter? 1372 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,560 Right? Little simple swaps. 1373 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,000 I'll say, hey, you know, can you give me something on the side, 1374 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,360 right? A dressing or whatever so I can 1375 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,760 control again, maybe how much I'm being exposed to. 1376 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,280 Or I'll just choose a vinegar Retz, you know, So I think 1377 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,320 there's a lot of things that people can do to minimize the 1378 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,320 exposures, but I just don't believe that anybody who is 1379 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,360 because I think that food is, it's so nourishing to the body, 1380 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,800 But we can't neglect the non-toxic culture can become 1381 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,680 really toxic really fast and stress people out, like I said. 1382 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,920 And you can't neglect that food is also social and it's also 1383 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,600 emotional for some people, right? 1384 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,680 Like my mom passed away in 2017. And there are things that I 1385 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,560 think about, you know, or I just know, you know, from her in 1386 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,960 terms of, for example, her favorite German chocolate cake 1387 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,840 or Margarita, right? So sometimes, you know, around 1388 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,200 her birthday or the anniversary of her passing of like, I'm 1389 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,560 going to have this, you know, in commemoration of mom or 1390 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,480 something. And we just can't stress about 1391 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,680 every single little thing. Like you have to recognize that 1392 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:14,360 people can become so like over the top with trying to avoid all 1393 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,960 these things and demonize everything that's, you know, 1394 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,479 again, you're just going to push people. 1395 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,279 I think from a functional medicine standpoint, it's just 1396 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,880 going to push people away because they're going to say, 1397 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,120 this is too much. You guys are crazy. 1398 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,640 I don't I can't live this way. I can't ever enjoy my life, you 1399 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,479 know, and do the things that I would like to do with my family 1400 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,000 and my friends. And so I think we have to find 1401 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,359 kind of this way of sharing with them that it's all right not to 1402 01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:42,560 be perfect 110% of the time. And I try to portray that, you 1403 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,160 know, on my social media in our podcast too. 1404 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,000 Like I have my nails done. I know it's toxic. 1405 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,840 Apparently my dip manicure is toxic, but it makes me feel 1406 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,920 good. And I do a lot of other things 1407 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,359 in my life to lower the toxic load or exposures to these 1408 01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,880 things that you have to pick and choose what is important to you 1409 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,200 and what aligns with your values. 1410 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,040 Because if you don't, you won't maintain it as a lifestyle. 1411 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,439 Well, is your way too rational? How are you ever going to make 1412 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,680 it big in social media if you don't over sensationalize 1413 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,319 everything and become incredibly dogmatic? 1414 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:11,960 What's the thing? I know. 1415 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:17,399 I'm I'm I'm told that I need to be more repelling, but. 1416 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:18,840 No, I. Have a hard time with that? 1417 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,720 It's so pleasant because like everything you've said, I agree 1418 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,760 with you 100%. It's like, I'm glad you have a 1419 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,040 podcast because more rational people need to have a podcast 1420 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,560 and get this message out so that people can find peace in their 1421 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,600 life and have a good trajectory, a good path forward. 1422 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,520 But like, you know, not obsessed about the things that don't 1423 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,840 matter or major in the minors. Yeah, exactly. 1424 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,880 And I think that's where some people get so caught up with all 1425 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,520 these little things that until you have think about it like a, 1426 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,880 you know, a pyramid, you know, or until you have the foundation 1427 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,439 really set. Like you're doing the things 1428 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,520 that you need to be doing. You're hydrating, you're getting 1429 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,840 some good electrolytes in, you're walking, you're moving 1430 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,080 your bowels everyday. Like you're getting good quality 1431 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,200 food as much as you can organic. If not, you know, get at least 1432 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,000 the clean 15 dirty dozen type thing until you have some of 1433 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,040 those really solid foundations. All this other stuff, I think 1434 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,040 like really doesn't matter until you want to get into the weeds 1435 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,080 and you're looking at truly optimizing. 1436 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,680 I do think that people have to start to go to pay attention. 1437 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:24,680 I have a lot of people recently just constantly saying like 1438 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,600 their struggle is bloating in gas and you know, Constipation 1439 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,520 is part of that, but just bloating in gas, bloating in 1440 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,680 gas, bloating in gas. And I'm like, are you taking the 1441 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,000 time to slow down and to think about like all the things that 1442 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,840 can impact one becoming bloated? Because we talked a lot about 1443 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,240 chemical digestion and food and all that stuff too. 1444 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,640 But there are so many products out there that have, you know, 1445 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,200 like sugar free, you know, or these sugar alcohols or 1446 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,400 artificial sweeteners in there that could be triggering 1447 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,960 somebody. And, you know, they think 1448 01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,520 they're doing the right thing and they probably are from maybe 1449 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,840 a macro calorie standpoint aligning with where they need to 1450 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,280 be. But then they're not truly 1451 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,480 looking at like all the other ingredients in that. 1452 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,400 And I take myself as an example here. 1453 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,320 Long ago, I was doing Quest bars and I would constantly be 1454 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,640 bloated and gas like I didn't want to be around myself. 1455 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,400 Why I kept eating those things, I don't know. 1456 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,720 Well, I didn't know then what I know now. 1457 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,640 But like all the sugar alcohols and the artificial fiber in 1458 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,600 there, my body did not handle. And so even though it fit that 1459 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,200 weight loss goal, that macro right where I was getting my 1460 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,960 high protein and doing all the things right. 1461 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,320 Like I think we have to use wisdom and discernment to 1462 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,320 recognize that there are things that are your body's going to 1463 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,760 tell you. Like, I don't want this. 1464 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,640 I don't, I can't handle this, right? 1465 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,920 This is not something that I like. 1466 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,960 So pay attention to that and don't ignore it. 1467 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,240 But in terms of what you see on social media, don't go over the 1468 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,560 top with this and this and this and like nitpicking things. 1469 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,600 If you're seeing good progress, your biofeedback is good, you're 1470 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,320 feeling pretty good when you got the foundations laid and then 1471 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,840 you want to optimize, you want to get curious about something 1472 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,200 and start to look at, you know, things a little bit deeper, 1473 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,520 Absolutely do that. But for somebody who's coming 1474 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,760 from a standard American diet, who wants to, you know, get a 1475 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,160 bit healthier, we would totally overwhelm that person by talking 1476 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,200 about sugar alcohols if that was the first thing that we brought 1477 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,480 up, you know? Yeah, it's classy 8020 stuff 1478 01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:20,360 like figure out the low hanging fruit, dial that in first. 1479 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,520 Once you've got that established, then move on to the 1480 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,640 next thing as you so choose. But yeah, don't, don't major in 1481 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,160 the minors right up, right at the gates. 1482 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,800 It's just that's that's it's going to not going to be 1483 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,680 sustainable for you're going to deviate and be back in square 1484 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,800 one in no time. You know, totally random, but in 1485 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,200 regards to your quest bar analogy, our story, do you 1486 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,760 tolerate Allulose very well? I honestly haven't had it in a 1487 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,880 really long time. I try to stay away from anything 1488 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,760 with OSE. I generally try to steer more 1489 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,920 towards stevia or monk fruits. So I don't know if I tolerate 1490 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,120 Allulose because I just, I haven't had it in anything 1491 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,040 particular that I can think of. Yeah, I mean, it's super hot 1492 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,640 right now because it's, it's technically a sugar, but it's a, 1493 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,040 it's favorable from AGLP 1 standpoint. 1494 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,640 It's supposed to increase satiety. 1495 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,040 It's supposed to have all these perks to it. 1496 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,840 I've have a few podcasts on Allulose. 1497 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,840 But like if I have something with allulose, my personal, you 1498 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,360 know, I, I respond similar to if I eat something with, you know, 1499 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,720 a lot of erythritol or sucralose or Ace K in there, like Stevie 1500 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,080 and Monk food are my kind of go to safe bets. 1501 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,880 I don't respond that well to allulose, but some people seem 1502 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,200 to not have any issues with it. So just curious if you had a 1503 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,520 take on it. Yeah, I think it's going to be 1504 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,600 watch the feedback that your body gives you, you know, and 1505 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,480 again, so many people, and I see this more and more so with the 1506 01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:40,120 bodybuilders that I've worked with in the past, like their 1507 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,640 goal is their goal and their eye is set on the prize, and they're 1508 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,280 kind of swooping all these other symptoms under the rug. 1509 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,680 And then I think for the women that I work with, the 1510 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,160 population, especially, you know, moms, so many people think 1511 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,880 that it's just normal. It's mom life. 1512 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,480 My brain fog, my bloating, like whatever, those things are not 1513 01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:58,960 normal. And so we're sweeping things 1514 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,840 under the rug until it's really roaring its head. 1515 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,240 It's like screaming or slapping you in the face, you know, to 1516 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,440 listen. So I think for people get 1517 01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:08,560 curious, maybe keep a food and mood journal. 1518 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,840 That's what I do, you know, for some of my clients coming in, 1519 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,440 it's like, all right, just get get curious here. 1520 01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:17,120 What did you have for lunch? How did you feel a couple hours 1521 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,400 after? How was your mood? 1522 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,480 How was your satiety? How was your digestion? 1523 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:23,160 How was your energy? What are you noticing? 1524 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,560 And patterns and trends there if things aren't the way that you 1525 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,000 want them to be. And that can be like you 1526 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,600 mentioned before, Brussels sprouts with bacon, one of my 1527 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,600 favorite things. I have a threshold. 1528 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,680 I can have it and be good, but if I meal prepped that by 1529 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,720 Thursday, Friday, I'd definitely be gassy and and not feeling too 1530 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,040 hot, right? Like I think it's just be 1531 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,320 curious and look for patterns and trends and then know that, 1532 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,880 hey, these are things that I can have on my like sometimes list 1533 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,800 and these are things that I can have on my anytime list. 1534 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,920 And then maybe there's things that you just don't agree with 1535 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,320 right now. So you might need to cut it out 1536 01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,080 for a period of time and then, you know, come back to it. 1537 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,880 Kind of what we talked about before with different diets from 1538 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,320 a gut perspective, Gosh, I get a lot of people like coming into 1539 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,720 our practice who have done low FODMAP for like years or SIBO 1540 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,000 specific carbohydrate for years. And it's not the food, it is 1541 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,360 your gut micro Biome. It is the dysbiotic bacteria and 1542 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,480 the insufficiencies that you have that we need to address. 1543 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,040 And then we should be able to bring those things back in and 1544 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,800 eat a diverse diet. And I have several, you know, 1545 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,960 cases and clients that I've worked with that it's amazing 1546 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,960 for them to see just how much they can tolerate now that they 1547 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,200 couldn't before. Because that's quality of life. 1548 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,680 If you can't go on vacation and enjoy something or you're 1549 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,080 sitting there and you're nervous like I'm going to poo my pants 1550 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,520 or, you know, have to go back to the hotel room because I am 1551 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,960 crumbled over in pain, that's not a way to enjoy life at all. 1552 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,360 So we want to have diverse diet too, so that we can, you know, 1553 01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:59,360 enjoy those times and not have all that backlash and again, 1554 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,600 right, feed the good bacteria and get all those nutrients in 1555 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,120 and have short chain fatty acids produced and all the things that 1556 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,680 we need. But just watch that biofeedback 1557 01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,800 and get curious with yourself and, and ask yourself like, how 1558 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,880 is this sitting with me? Even if it's your favorite quest 1559 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,640 bar that you microwaved and it tastes like cookie dough like I 1560 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,840 used to do, if it doesn't fit with you, you know, sit with 1561 01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,240 you. Well, it's got to go find 1562 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,840 something else. Yeah, I mean, just getting more 1563 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,880 and too into your body and actually listening to what it's 1564 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,960 telling you I think is a huge skill set that people have 1565 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,800 definitely lost touch with over the years. 1566 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,640 But I mean, just being able to do that, become more in tune 1567 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,560 with things, I mean, that's going to give people so many 1568 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,400 answers right there that they're not going to find easily on 1569 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,160 Google, you know? And that other people can't tell 1570 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,800 you, right? Like I don't, I'm not in your 1571 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,120 body. I can't feel this. 1572 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,960 I can't sense this. And I think a lot of it is 1573 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,640 because we're so distracted, right? 1574 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,120 We're distracted with social media, we're distracted with 1575 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,640 work, whatever it might be, right? 1576 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,320 So again, kind of what I mentioned before, if you can sit 1577 01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,880 down with your meals, try not to eat distracted sitting there, 1578 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,280 you know, with your computer up or on your phone or whatever. 1579 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,760 And sometimes you have to do that. 1580 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,720 To be honest with you, the way that my schedule is, I generally 1581 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,280 do that with my lunch, but I try to be mindful then of I'm not 1582 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:18,120 inhaling my food and I'm setting my fork down and I'm really 1583 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,160 chewing my food. Maybe as I'm reading an e-mail. 1584 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,800 It's not the best thing to do, but it's better than just, you 1585 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,080 know, sitting there scarfing something down while you're 1586 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,000 watching TV or, you know, while you're doing something on your 1587 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,160 computer and, you know, not at least giving your body the due 1588 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,920 diligence of chewing your food to alleviate stress on the 1589 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:39,040 chemical digestion. So I know that most people are 1590 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,600 in this distracted state that they don't even make 1591 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,440 correlations. They don't even pay attention to 1592 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:47,480 those silent symptoms or not so silent, right, but subtle 1593 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,160 symptoms that they're having. And your body can teach you a 1594 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,840 lot. It's not anything that I can, 1595 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,000 you can tell them. I can tell them Google machine 1596 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,840 can tell them, their doctors can tell them. 1597 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,320 It's up to you because you're with yourself all the time to 1598 01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,760 really be able to be that health detective and, and kind of, you 1599 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,680 know, like I just said, get get curious and then track it and 1600 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,040 look for correlations and trends. 1601 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,280 Well, to to make this totally full circle here, if you have a 1602 01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,080 family, you got kids, make it a point to sit down and eat dinner 1603 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,080 with them as a family and just focus on them. 1604 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,520 Like I come home, I don't get to see my kid most most of the day. 1605 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,000 My wife's with them all day long and just sitting down and having 1606 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,280 dinner with him. It's the best thing ever. 1607 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,720 And I refuse to like be on my phone or computer because I want 1608 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,800 to watch him try to eat. 2 1/2 you said. 1609 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,920 Yeah, his first meal, his first real food was like a big old 1610 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,120 massive beef knuckle bone that he was gnawing on. 1611 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,800 So that was good. But yeah, he's he's a dinner 1612 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,800 time is always, always fun, for sure. 1613 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,360 Messy, I'm sure these days we're headed back there. 1614 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,040 He's pretty like now is to the point where he like goes out of 1615 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,600 his way to make a mess. So it's a. 1616 01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,240 It's interesting. It's like his entertainment. 1617 01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,560 Yeah. I mean, so our son is 5 1/2 and 1618 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,280 he, he's pretty good. It's really cute. 1619 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,040 Like he says the prayer and, you know, he makes everybody sit and 1620 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,840 stop. He's a lot like me as a a child, 1621 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,960 very bossy at the dinner table. But you know, then it's just 1622 01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,920 what we we've dealt with and we have, I don't know why. 1623 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,360 Well, they're old chairs, but they're kind of like that cream 1624 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,680 colored chair. And now it's just like when he's 1625 01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,520 getting into whatever he might be eating, it's like, dude, you 1626 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,360 know, not to drop food on the floor anymore. 1627 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,480 You know that you need to have a placement here and how to eat 1628 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,720 with a fork and knife all these things. 1629 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,960 But what you don't know and you haven't learned is don't touch 1630 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,800 the chairs with your greasy hands or whatever. 1631 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,240 You know, it might be his, his pasta that he's eating last 1632 01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,520 night. Oh my God, so it's always fun 1633 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,800 times as parents. But yes, dinner time is very 1634 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,960 important. I would agree with you there for 1635 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:43,320 sure. Well. 1636 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,360 Liz, I can probably talk to you in another two hours no problem, 1637 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,240 but be respectful of your time here. 1638 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:49,920 What? Where, Where do people go to 1639 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:50,960 find out more about you? What are you? 1640 01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,800 What are you excited about going for the year, the year 2025? 1641 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,920 What's on the radar? Yeah, so you can find me on 1642 01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,200 Instagram at the Poop Queen. Our podcast is the Health 1643 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,200 Revival Show. And then, you know, our website 1644 01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,520 is Fit Mom life.com. What I am most excited about 1645 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,400 this year is we are actually going to be doing a Fit Mom Live 1646 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,400 event. So two days in Chicago, 1647 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,120 September 5th and 6th. It's going to be a women's event 1648 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,720 where we're going to be talking all things metabolism, hormones, 1649 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,480 gut health, weight loss and just really helping women connect. 1650 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,960 With each other and breaks down some limiting beliefs of things 1651 01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,320 that might be kind of holding them back. 1652 01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,480 So I'm excited for that. We've been talking about doing a 1653 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:36,720 live event for, gosh, I don't know, several years and I'm just 1654 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,560 really looking forward to that. So that's what's on my kind of 1655 01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,480 radar and thought process right now. 1656 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,360 Awesome. And when will people be able to 1657 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,800 register for that event? Yes. 1658 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,200 So we will have presale tickets probably in the next two weeks. 1659 01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,040 I'm not sure when this podcast will air. 1660 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,080 I'll be talking about it of course on social media once we 1661 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,880 get the the landing page and everything up. 1662 01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,760 Right now we've just solidified venues, solidified some speakers 1663 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,120 that are gonna be flying in. We've got some really cool 1664 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,200 people coming in, some mentors of mine, and then also a good 1665 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,320 friend of mine actually from Canada, she's coming all the way 1666 01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,120 from Canada. She's gonna be talking about 1667 01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,640 menopause and strength training and how to train through that 1668 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,520 season of life. So we're just excited and 1669 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,080 putting the agenda together and then we'll have tickets 1670 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:22,960 available probably in the next two weeks. 1671 01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:24,560 Awesome. That is super exciting. 1672 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,920 We started doing live events this year as well and it's just, 1673 01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,520 it's so fulfilling. I mean, meet people face to face 1674 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,040 and just building memories in ways that you can't through an 1675 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,120 Instagram DM. Like it's it's hard to beat for 1676 01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,680 sure. Yeah, I think that's my husband 1677 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,440 and I used to own a all women's strength training gym and we 1678 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:45,080 sold it in COVID and it's the connection aspect is just so 1679 01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,480 different. Like I do a lot of telehealth 1680 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,840 and I'm on Zoom with my clients. So we get to build that, you 1681 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,160 know, relationship, but it's different when you're in person. 1682 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,280 It's just so much energy, right? And that's what we really want 1683 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,880 to bring because I know that many women, especially through 1684 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:03,240 the past four or five years are starving for that in terms of 1685 01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,040 really having good connection with like minded people. 1686 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,800 Because I don't know how it is in your world, But most of the 1687 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,880 people that we work with, you know, they're on this health 1688 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,760 journey because they're sick and they have, you know, a lot of 1689 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,800 things going on and they don't have a choice. 1690 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,040 But in their home, you know, maybe their husband doesn't 1691 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,240 necessarily support it. They're ordering pizza and going 1692 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:24,400 through the drive through all the time. 1693 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,480 And so they feel sometimes just alone. 1694 01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:29,880 It could be like that for, you know, people you work with too. 1695 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,680 I'm sure competitors or whatnot. Like they're bringing their food 1696 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,360 with them everywhere if they're in season. 1697 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,560 And I'm sure it's always helpful to have like minded people to 1698 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,360 talk to and connect with. So yeah, we're excited for them. 1699 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,040 Yeah, you got to ask him. Come, Roger. 1700 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,880 Well, I got no doubt that you'll bring the house down there. 1701 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,520 That's super exciting. I'm stoked for you. 1702 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,240 I will definitely link out. Make it easy, people to find 1703 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:49,680 you. And Liz, if there's everything I 1704 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:50,880 can do for you, by all means, let me know. 1705 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,400 I've truly enjoyed the conversation here. 1706 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,680 Awesome. Thank you so much. 1707 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:55,440 Take care.