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Well, hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com 

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and today I've got special guest
Doug Evans on the line. 

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Doug is a master Sprouter, so 
he's been sprouting his own 

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greens for quite some time now. 
He went through an experiment 

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where he ate exclusively sprouts
that he had grown and I just 

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wanted to kind of get him on the
podcast and pick his brain as to

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what sprouts are, what the 
nutritional benefits of sprouts 

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entail, how you can grow your 
own sprouts. 

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I've been getting big into the 
homesteading and just becoming 

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as self-sufficient as possible. 
So the fact that you can grow 

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these and they have a much 
faster turn around period than 

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traditional gardens and 
vegetation that you would grow 

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was appealing to me. 
But yeah, I just wanted to get 

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him on here, pick his brain 
about sprouts, how he 

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incorporates them, how he 
recommends people in court 

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incorporate them and just learn 
a little bit more from someone 

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that's following a different 
diet than myself. 

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So thoroughly enjoy the 
conversation. 

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I've got no doubt that you will 
take something from it if you 

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have any interest whatsoever in 
sprouts. 

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So without further delay, sit 
back, relax and enjoy. 

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And we are live. 
Doug, how are you Sir? 

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I am the best ever. 
Thank you. 

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I love it man. 
I love it. 

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Well, I'm excited to be learning
from your day. 

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You are a an aficionado when it 
comes to sprouting your own 

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food, which is something I know 
nothing about, so I'm excited to

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learn from you. 
But before we get into that, 

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man, give me some back story. 
What got you interested in 

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sprouting your own food to begin
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You know, I first saw sprouts 25
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York City and I was at the 
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vendor who was growing sprouts 
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And out of. 
Everything in the market, this 

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was the the thing that resonated
with me and let me, let me up. 

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It was almost like the vibrancy 
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So. 
Powerful that it drew me to it. 

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I was attracted to it. 
So 30 years ago I started 

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sprouting and eating sprouts, 
and for these last 30 years I 

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always thought of sprouts as a 
side dish or as a garnish or as 

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this nutritionally dense 
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And that was just in my mindset.
And then seven years ago I moved

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to the desert. 
So I live on a Hot Springs 

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called Wonder Valley Hot Springs
near Joshua Tree in Southern 

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California. 
And when I moved here for the 

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first time I was having food 
scarcity issues. 

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There were no health food 
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farmers markets. 
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nowhere and I wanted to be here 
because I wanted to be in 

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nature. 
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it takes weeks or months or 
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And so I needed to eat 
immediately and then while 

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staring at the universe. 
And we have really dark skies 

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here. 
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We could see all the stars in 
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I was staring at the stars and I
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I was like, oh, I could grow 
sprouts. 

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I could eat sprouts. 
And so I I received the download

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that night, which turned into 
writing the Sprout book, and the

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the premise fell into three 
parts #1 sprouts were vegetables

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and vegetables are food, and I 
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food. 
I always thought of them as a 

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side dish and here I was 
thinking of them as food #2. 

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Sprouts were vitamins and 
minerals, which I thought in 

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small quantities they were just 
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I didn't realize the nutritional
density of the sprouts that in 

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1/4 cup of garbanzo bean 
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At least the latest data that 
came was in 1/4 cup there's 9 

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grams of protein, so in a cup 36
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Now the lowest research I had 
was 20 grams of protein in a cup

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of sprouted chickpeas and that 
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me. 
But additionally, there are 10s 

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of thousands of phytonutrients 
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There's polyphenols, there are 
great prebiotic and there's such

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a variety of sprouts that you 
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whatever you want to be. 
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you could get high higher levels
of fat, you could get higher 

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levels of protein and if you 
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carbs ratio. 
So there's such a variety of 

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sprouts that they were 
nutritional access and then the 

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third. 
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Blew my mind was that sprouts 
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were thousands of peer reviewed 
published studies on the 

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medicinal properties of sprouts,
that they had anti cancer 

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properties. 
They could help regulate insulin

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levels in diabetics. 
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proteins in the brain similar to
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And so I was very curious. 
I end up writing the Sprout book

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and because I was learning so 
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that this information was being 
repressed, that no one knew 

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about it, no one was talking 
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There hadn't been any energy 
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There's documented history of 
sprouts as food that goes back 

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3000 years BC. 
Why do you think there was so 

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much repression of it? 
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reason for that? 
Well, from an economic 

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perspective, sprouts have a very
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They require refrigerated 
transportation and there's not 

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money behind it. 
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system and the pharma system, 
people around food systems about

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making money, you go into 
Walmart or supermarket and 90 

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plus percent of the food is 
packaged, has additives, has 

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preservatives, has food 
coloring, is genetically 

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modified as shelf stabilizers on
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So you think about sprouts. 
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product and they just get 
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And there are no national 
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You'll see a soda commercial, 
you'll see a water commercial, 

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you'll see a beer commercial, 
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commercial and a cereal 
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No one's advertising sprouts. 
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listener, can you just define 
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I mean, I guess just the the 
vegetation that stems forth from

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a freshly germinated plant I 
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overview, right? 
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I mean, sprouts, sprouts and 
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taking a seed and it could be a 
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And when you soak it, you are 
triggering the germination 

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process. 
And then within days the seed 

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transforms through a metabolic 
transformation into a vegetable 

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and it shoots out, shoots up a 
shoot and a root comes from the 

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bottom. 
And that is the sprouting 

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process. 
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as a food source, very common in
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used in salads and used and on 
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bean sprouts are popular in 
Asian cuisine, in soups and in 

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stir fries. 
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now consume are alfalfa sprouts,
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sprouts, lentils, sprouts of all
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green lentils to red lentils to 
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peas. 
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a lot of the protein mixes. 
The plant protein mixes are made

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using pea pro peas to make pea 
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So in my world, rather than 
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rather eat the whole pea because
the whole pea has this vitality 

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It has antioxidants and the 
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chlorophyll. 
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to me is better than having an 
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So I think it it's really about 
the money that that's why they 

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were repressed. 
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cultures, I was just in Tokyo 
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1 billion with AB as in boy, $1 
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sprouts alone. 
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That's. 
Crazy. 

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They're available in 20,000 
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People are selling broccoli 
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Well, I I don't need a lot of 
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like like it's appealing to me 
that you can grow them in the 

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comfort of your own home so you 
can be self-sufficient in that 

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regard. 
Plus, because you're growing 

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them in such a short time frame,
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recoup that relatively quickly 
and you're not having them 

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sprayed with, you know, Roundup 
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typically going to have on any 
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grocery store. 
So that that's appealing to me. 

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Yeah, I mean you you mentioned 
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The technical chemical within 
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glyphosate, and glyphosate 
creates all sorts of havoc in 

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the body from causing cancer. 
There's now major class action 

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suits against, you know, the 
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glyphosate. 
And I was so concerned with the 

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seed source and having them 
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I started the sprouting company,
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the seeds to make sure there was
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of the seeds. 
Very nice. 

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So, so all the seeds are 
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being organic, they're tested 
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Rate so that. 
We know that when you soak them,

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they will sprout because if 
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Not very good. 
So we're testing them for high 

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germination rate. 
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testing them for pathogens to 
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detectable source of pathogens, 
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if you're consuming it. 
But then when you grow them at 

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home, you know, using a glass 
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sprouting company's jar because 
it's bigger and has a stainless 

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steel filter and it has great 
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equipment with hot soapy water 
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starting with something 
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And then I'm using these fresh 
high quality seeds that are 

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going through this four part 
testing for organic, for high 

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germination, for glyphosate free
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So I know that where my food is 
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So we're getting US grown seeds 
that we're sprouting at home And

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what what most people don't know
and you know, you raised your 

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hand early in this process, is 
it you can grow these sprouts 

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without soil, without sunshine, 
without fertilizer and they grow

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in days. 
So within two days to seven days

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you can have an edible crop. 
So this means you know from a 

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level of you know, no one really
took food safe food security 

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very seriously until COVID hit. 
And then people were freaking 

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out. 
They couldn't get toilet paper. 

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They couldn't get their macaroni
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They couldn't get their favorite
cereals and I was not even 

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worried about it because I had 
hundreds of pounds of seeds on 

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reserve. 
So even if I was staying in my 

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bunker with my water source and 
my seeds, I was able to live. 

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And what I know for a fact, 
because I did it, was I lived 

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very healthily and very happily 
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You know, for a 30 day stint. 
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So I was actually just going to 
ask you, so you are, are you 

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eating exclusively sprouts 
currently or that was just for 

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that experiment? 
I'm eating right now sprouts and

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fruit, so I eat fresh fruit and 
I eat sprouts and I'll have some

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sea vegetables, so like nori 
seaweed when it's available and 

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that's my diet. 
Are you out of curiosity? 

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Are you tracking your intake? 
Like, do you have any idea how 

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many calories you're consuming? 
How many grams of protein, fat, 

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carbs, etcetera. 
I don't track on a very frequent

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basis. 
The thing that is most important

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to me, the biggest factor is how
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What is my energy level? 
But I'll tell you, and I know 

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that you're a savage there. 
In 2023, I committed to making 

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that my most active year ever. 
So I was running three to five 

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miles a day, at least three days
a week, and I was averaging over

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275 push ups a day, which 
totalled to 100,000 push ups I 

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did in 2023. 
And now I'm I'm up to about 400 

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push ups a day and I'm doing 
somebody weight squats and you 

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know maybe anywhere from 15 to 
30 pull ups a day. 

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So I'm doing body weight 
exercise and if I were to look 

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at my fat, protein, carb 
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protein, and five to 10% fat in 
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be somewhere around 30% protein 
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sprouts. 
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sprouts, the the garbanzo bean 
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very much higher levels of 
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But right now what, you know, 
the way that this machine is 

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presently running, it's doing 
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I feel, I know we're doing audio
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my shirt for you because I'm in 
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you want to be the leanest guy. 
And you know our our, our mutual

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friend Ben Greenfield, you know,
he, as you mentioned, he tries a

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lot of different things, but 
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he's eating garbanzo bean 
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his smoothies and he's adding 
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that he's eating. 
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that they can fit into a high 
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into every other diet because 
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specific sprouts that you're 
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nutritional profile. 
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the if you're just eating the 
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come with it, I mean your your 
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but like you're not consuming 
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Well, I guess you know you are. 
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diet. 
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as an add on to their diet, they
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vegetation source and they. 
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They're great. 
They're a great vegetation 

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source. 
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example, you, you know lentils. 
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vitamin C and you're lowering 
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phytic acid and you're lowering 
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So you're able to get this very 
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But I would say most of my 
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ratio, comes from eating fruit. 
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fruit, you're getting the high 
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The sprouts are very neutral, 
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more concentrated protein ones 
like you know, a soy gets a very

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bad name. 
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people like to mock soy, but the
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a soybean is very high. 
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of soy soybeans and when you 
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know once one, One Cup of 
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calories, 37 grams of fat, 25% 
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low sodium, 4G of sodium, 
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milligrams of potassium. 
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right as 56 grams of carbs, but 
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it also has, you know, 162% of 
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130% of magnesium. 
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powerful, you know, when you 
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And to me, the only soy that I 
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soybeans because the sprouted 
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nutritionally active body. 
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shifting the the whole profile 
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But it's very, very interesting 
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Like no one would have ever 
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of this, you know, protein and 
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Yeah, now I know one of the 
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plant based nutrition from a a 
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the the plant sources lack a 
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a lot of people will make up for
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different variations of 
different plants to complete 

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that amino acid profile. 
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thing with the sprouts. 
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interesting and I think that 
information is also biased 

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because the the latest research 
the you know that's coming out 

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you know from on this on the 
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that they're all vegetables have
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profiles. 
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levels. 
So it's not as divinely perfect 

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as one would look at, you know, 
if you're looking at a piece of,

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you know, grass fed beef. 
But the reality is they all have

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the the complete amino profile, 
amino acid profile. 

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It's just a matter of getting, 
as you said, enough of them in 

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variety, which is also important
for the microbiome. 

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So how much are you looking and 
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consideration in the diet? 
Me personally. 

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Yeah. 
Quite a bit. 

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I mean, I don't eat much 
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body's able to create butyrate 
through other means besides just

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consuming prebiotics and 
probiotics. 

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I mean like when fatty acids 
breakdown, you're able to get 

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butyrate through that delivery 
vehicle. 

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I mean, I consume hardly any 
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I'll go through periods where 
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don't have much at all. 
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carnivore, carnivoresque diets, 
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I'll have some vegetation. 
But honestly I just focus more 

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so on how I feel as well. 
I feel like I've got a very 

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robust digestive tract and I 
haven't had any issues from a GI

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standpoint since keeping things 
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based diet. 
But you know, to each their own.

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Like, I'm I'm not knocking 
anybody that finds better 

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success from a GI standpoint by 
including a much higher variety 

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of vegetation. 
And Robert, how long have you 

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been doing this? 
About eight years now, I guess. 

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And and how much are you in the 
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Every day. 
Every day. 

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Are you? 
Are you? 

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Are you? 
Do you have a rest day or you're

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just working different parts of 
the body? 

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Yeah, different parts of the 
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I'll sometimes have one rest day
a week, but I'm pretty active. 

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Like I'm we've we've got some 
land, so if I'm not in the gym 

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training I'm out driving fence 
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something. 
So I'm active seven days a week,

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but I may not be in the gym, but
six days of those. 

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And are you Are you competing or
what? 

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What's your goal of your 
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Yeah, Yeah. 
So I just finished the 

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competition prep. 
I I competed all throughout 

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2023, did 5 competitions, and 
then now I'm in the reverse that

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phase. 
So right now I'm basically just 

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bringing my calories up, 
focusing on putting on more lean

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tissue, getting stronger, and 
building more muscles that next 

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time I compete I'll be bigger 
and better than I was this last 

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time. 
Wow and and when? 

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When does competition start? 
So I take several years off in 

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between competition season. 
I mean, it's very taxing on the 

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body hormonally, metabolically, 
psychologically to go through a 

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prep. 
So I typically take a few years 

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off in between competitive 
seasons so that I can put on 

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more lean tissue, especially as 
a natural athlete. 

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I mean, if you're not using 
performance dancing drugs and 

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you're a mature lifter, your 
body doesn't put on a ton of 

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lean tissue year after year. 
So I mean, it takes quite a bit 

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of time. 
So I want to look markedly 

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better every time I step on 
stage. 

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So I'll typically take two 3-4 
years off in between competitive

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cycles. 
Oh, how old are you now? 

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32. 32 Wow And are you doing 
this work? 

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So the work you do, are you 
working on the farm or do you 

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ever put on a a a suit and go to
the office? 

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What's your day like? 
Yeah, I'm a I'm in the office a 

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lot. 
I wake up early, I work on the 

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computer quite a bit. 
We make a meal replacement bar. 

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I do podcasting, a lot of 
content creation. 

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So yeah, I'm I'm pretty much. 
I have a computer more often 

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than not, But when I'm not at a 
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or on the farm. 
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And in terms of the the the 
workouts, do you have a trainer 

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or like how are you, how are you
chiseling your physique, so to 

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speak? 
I know I've been my own trainer 

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for as long as I can remember. 
I I pretty much do all my own 

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training, all my own nutrition. 
I I coach others. 

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I am a trainer for others. 
But the things that I'm doing, 

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I'm kind of, you know, tip of 
the spear, figuring them out as 

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I go, testing new things, 
experimenting with things, and 

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then basing my training and 
nutrition off of those 

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experimentations. 
So I've developed my own 

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protocol for nutrition around 
competition prep, and I'm I'm 

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teaching others how to implement
it, but I'm not gaining that 

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from anybody, specifically 
because I kind of designed the 

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protocol, so to speak. 
That's interesting. 

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And what is the heart when when 
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hardest part for you of your 
training protocol? 

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Honestly, man, I just love it. 
Like there's not really, like a 

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lot of people struggle with 
motivation in the gym, but I I 

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just love being in the gym. 
I love seeing changes take 

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place. 
When you're in a prep and your 

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calories are low, it's hard to 
push yourself and recovery's 

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hindered things of that nature. 
But it's all just part of the 

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process. 
I I I don't really have a a part

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that is dreadful. 
And there's. 

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I mean, everything that I do, I 
look forward to. 

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So when, when, when you're 
lifting, do you have a do you 

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have someone there spotting you 
or are you pushing yourself to 

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failure? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So I've got one of my employees 
comes in with me in trains in 

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the morning, So often times work
out with him and we'll spot each

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other when we're getting into 
our failure sets. 

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But a lot of it you could do 
solo as well. 

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I do a lot of dumbbell work, so 
spotting is less of an issue 

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with that. 
But when I'm doing heavy barbell

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work and I'm going to failure, 
I'll have my employee there. 

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And how's your flexibility? 
Pretty good man, pretty good 

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idea. 
One of my signature poses when I

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compete is the split. 
So pretty, pretty flexible, I 

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feel. 
Wow, so you do a full split? 

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Yep, Yep. 
Wow, have you seen Juju, Juju 

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Mufu? 
I have not see a competitor. 

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I don't know if he's a 
competitor. 

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He's a he's a like a a kind of a
Acrobat guy but he's extremely 

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flexible and and he got his 
fame. 

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I think he went on America's Got
Talent and he did a split, you 

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know, with must have been, you 
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dumbbell on 2 chairs splitting. 
Nice. 

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Yeah. 
Flexibility is important, man. 

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A lot of bodybuilders get a bad 
rap because people just assume 

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they're not flexible. 
And some of them aren't 

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flexible. 
But flexibility, Mobility, 

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longevity, these are all things 
that I want to make sure that 

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I'm working into my training 
regimen. 

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So that's all stuff that I try 
to prioritize. 

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And and you're doing, do you do 
any cardio, Yeah. 

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Yeah, I'll do cardio. 
I don't do as much in a building

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phase, but I'll do cardio 
certainly when I'm cutting down,

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I'll do Stairmaster for cardio. 
I also do like a lot of running 

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and hiking and backpacking, 
things of that nature. 

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I do a lot of hunting out West, 
so that's pretty, pretty cardio 

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intensive as well. 
And and what's your height? 

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I AM 57 and 1/2. 
So, so you're very, very solid 

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and and what's your present 
weight like 151 Sixty? 

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I got down to 151, was my 
lightest in competition. 

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On stage I was like 155. 
Currently I'm about 170. 

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Oh, OK, so in the offseason, 
you're bulking up? 

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Yeah, yeah, you gotta put on, I 
mean, 'cause I get down to 3.9% 

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body fat in my my competition. 
So you can't really sustain that

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indefinitely from a hormonal or 
or a metabolic standpoint or 

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health standpoint. 
So yeah, I'm I'm putting on more

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body fat now, putting on more 
lean tissue now and my walking 

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around weight in the building 
phase is usually between 170 to 

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180 somewhere in that window. 
And what's your end goal? 

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What's motivating you? 
Be the best I can be man every 

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single day. 
Be the best I can be. 

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Get better every single day, 
both with the training, the 

447
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,840
nutrition and the one I'm able 
to put out for the public to to 

448
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,240
benefit them from. 
Add more value than I take you 

449
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960
know. 
Yeah. 

450
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,600
And where are you physically 
based? 

451
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,720
I'm in Northwest Arkansas. 
Isn't that you where you grew 

452
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,520
up? 
Or how did you get to Arkansas? 

453
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,240
Yeah, pretty much. 
Grew up in Arkansas. 

454
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,360
I was born in Minnesota, but 
grew up in Arkansas. 

455
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Bounced around a little bit, 
moved in, lived in Washington 

456
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,600
state for a while. 
That's where I met my wife. 

457
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,840
Brought her back to Arkansas. 
And we just love it here in the 

458
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,400
Ozarks, ma'am. 
It's a beautiful country. 

459
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320
That's that's really, that's 
really incredible. 

460
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,160
And so are are you growing? 
Where do you get so you're not 

461
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,240
eating a lot of vegetables. 
Are you open to seeing what it's

462
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,760
like eating a lot of sprouts? 
Yeah, I mean I, I, I try 

463
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,920
anything. 
So we have a, we've got like a 

464
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,120
little homestead operation now, 
so we're raising you know, sheep

465
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,480
and we've got chickens, We're 
going to get some pigs and some 

466
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,800
cattle eventually, but we have a
garden as well. 

467
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,560
So, but I like the idea of 
sprouting food because it has 

468
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,720
such a quicker, a faster turn 
around than you know a 

469
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,720
traditional garden. 
So that would make sense for 

470
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,000
sure. 
Yeah. 

471
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,240
I mean, I think that, you know 
it, it sounds like you're very 

472
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880
disciplined. 
Yeah, discipline is the key 

473
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,880
thing. 
And were you in the military? 

474
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,040
No, no military. 
I just anything that I've ever 

475
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,280
seen success with in life has 
come from doing hard things and 

476
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,280
being disciplined in doing those
hard things. 

477
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,520
So the bodybuilding embodies 
that. 

478
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,600
The business and 
entrepreneurship embodies that. 

479
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,560
And just discipline has been a 
pinnacle and a pillar for every 

480
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,880
success I've seen since I 
started seeing any success in 

481
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,040
life. 
So I definitely, I'm an advocate

482
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,400
for discipline. 
Wow. 

483
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,680
And what do you you, what do you
love outside of working out like

484
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,480
that? 
That motivates you, you know, 

485
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,680
totally out of the the workout 
world. 

486
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,080
What do you enjoy? 
I love businessman, like 

487
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,480
business, entrepreneurship, 
community, building, networking,

488
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,480
creating something with my own 
two hands and offering it to 

489
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,400
people and just being a part of 
something bigger than myself is 

490
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280
is very motivating and I think 
business is a great vehicle to 

491
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,440
accomplish that. 
And honestly that the 

492
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,400
homesteading that we've been 
doing, I really love that. 

493
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,960
Like we plugged into the 
homesteading community around 

494
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,920
here. 
We're we're talking with people 

495
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,040
about, you know, how to properly
raise animals for meats, how to 

496
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,160
have chickens for farm fresh 
eggs, how to grow gardens. 

497
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Like just becoming more 
self-sufficient from the ground 

498
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,280
up, I think has been really, 
really fulfilling as well. 

499
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Wow. 
And you have one. 

500
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,800
You have one boy. 
Yep, Yep, we got one son at the 

501
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440
moment. 
We'll probably have more in the 

502
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,360
future, but just just the one 
right now. 

503
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,480
And how old is he? 
He's about to turn 2. 

504
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Oh wow, he's just a little older
than I've got an 18 month old 

505
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,320
daughter. 
Yeah, he's he's the best man. 

506
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,280
I I love him to pieces. 
And it's cool with him, too, 

507
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,520
because, like, we've prioritized
his health and nutrition, like 

508
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,600
we were on top of my wife's 
nutrition before she ever even 

509
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,679
got pregnant. 
All throughout her pregnancy, 

510
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,120
all the stuff that we feed him 
and he's just growing perfectly.

511
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,840
Everything is developing just 
fine. 

512
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,920
His mental acuity is on point. 
Like, it's just cool to know 

513
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,600
what I know about nutrition to 
be able to provide that for 

514
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,120
future generations. 
What was your feeling on 

515
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,840
breastfeeding? 
I mean, that's definitely the 

516
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,239
the optimal way to go as opposed
to the alternative of, you know,

517
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,560
bottle feeding. 
Granted, some people can't 

518
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,840
breastfeed. 
There's a lot of, you know, a 

519
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,320
lot of debate on that, but not 
going the formula route, if 

520
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960
given the possibility or given 
the option has been key. 

521
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,120
I mean, Crystal, my wife breast 
fed up until just recently, so 

522
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,000
pretty much two years old and 
you know, he's been eating real 

523
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
food since day one. 
So his his nutrition has been on

524
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,080
point from the very beginning. 
Wow, are you homeschooling or is

525
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,160
he in play? 
Like, how is he developing with 

526
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,320
other kids? 
Yeah, we'll probably do 

527
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,040
homeschool. 
I mean, he's just two now, so we

528
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,040
haven't started that yet. 
But he, he's great with other 

529
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,800
kids. 
I mean, he's super inquisitive, 

530
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,800
very well versed and just, you 
know, manners and how to behave 

531
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,120
around other people. 
He's very observant, takes 

532
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,840
everything in, learns very 
quickly, picks up on words and 

533
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,320
meanings very quickly. 
So yeah, I'm pretty excited to 

534
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400
start the Schooling chapter with
him for sure. 

535
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Yeah, I mean, look, I think 
that, you know, you're watching 

536
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,040
how he's developing, you know, 
every day, you know, there's 

537
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,720
some other clue, some other 
scales. 

538
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,080
Like, I'm watching my daughter, 
you know, she climbed up a rock 

539
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,080
in a rock climbing wall 
yesterday for the first time. 

540
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,200
And, you know, she was so 
determined and she'd never done 

541
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,680
it before. 
And you know, she's using, you 

542
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,720
know, her hands in new ways and 
she's using her feet and she's 

543
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,640
using her knees. 
And as I'm talking to her, you 

544
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,280
know, and I'm coaching her, 
she's listening. 

545
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,760
So there's all of this growth 
going on, which is exceptional, 

546
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,400
you know, to see and you know if
I, if I translate that into the 

547
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,320
sprouting world, like that's 
what's happening. 

548
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,360
Like when you're doing the 
sprouts, you start off with a 

549
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,680
seed that looks like it could be
a Pebble or something. 

550
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,640
And then before you know it, you
know it's this green leafy 

551
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,480
vegetable that has a whole new, 
you know, dynamic. 

552
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,160
And what I can tell you, you 
know, and you could still stay 

553
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,440
in ketosis on this like if you 
just did a day of, you know, you

554
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,360
might you you you probably 
wouldn't be getting the, the 

555
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,040
Calor the calories you need, but
you'd certainly get lean. 

556
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,080
But it would be really 
interesting for you to sprout, 

557
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,000
you know, and do a day of 
sprouted alfalfa and sprouted, 

558
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,480
you know, green peas and 
sprouted broccoli, broccoli 

559
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,920
sprouts and sprouted lentils, 
you know. 

560
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,680
And since you're disciplined and
many people aren't disciplined, 

561
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680
you know, you could make sure 
you're getting, what are you 

562
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,640
eating, about 3004 thousand 
calories a day. 

563
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,600
Yeah, probably about 4000 
calories a day on average right 

564
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,600
now, So quite a bit. 
Yeah, so if you could have the 

565
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,760
discipline to just eat, you'd 
probably have to eat about 16 

566
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,600
cups of vegetables. 
So you'll probably have the most

567
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,680
epic poop you've ever had in 
your life. 

568
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:01,120
But you would, you could stay 
with low carb and keto on that 

569
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,760
formulation, but the the energy 
you're feeling because you are 

570
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,320
alive like you're an electric 
energetic body, there's no 

571
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,280
question about the electrical 
impulses that are flown through 

572
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,480
the body when you're consuming 
the sprouts. 

573
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:26,800
It's just a whole new level and 
I think would be fascinating for

574
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,120
you to experiment with that. 
And you know, we can talk 

575
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,080
offline on how to get set up, 
but I would say with just two or

576
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:40,680
three sprouting jars and like 
the protein mix and some of the 

577
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,160
salad mixes, you know, you could
totally keep, you know your 

578
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:51,320
focus you know on, on keto and 
on the sprouts. 

579
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,520
Yeah, I mean, I'm not opposed to
incorporating that into my my 

580
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,720
dietary protocol. 
I probably wouldn't have that 

581
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,600
exclusively. 
I would probably have that in 

582
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,200
tandem with the meat that I'm 
eating. 

583
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,800
Like I eat a ton of meat, but I 
don't think there would be any 

584
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,280
mutually exclusivity factor at 
play there. 

585
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Like, I don't think there would 
be any inherent benefit for not 

586
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,520
having the meat if you had the 
sprouts. 

587
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,960
No I I. 
I wouldn't. 

588
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,200
I wouldn't discard you from 
having your your meat. 

589
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,120
I would just say from an 
experiment of just seeing how 

590
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,440
you feel like the lightness 
factor because you are already 

591
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,600
tuned in so you know how you 
feel. 

592
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,640
So you know, it would just be 
interesting to feel the 

593
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,440
lightness. 
Like I almost feel like I'm 

594
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:41,080
walking around in a levitating 
state because I'm, I'm light, 

595
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:48,280
I'm five, like I'm 5 foot 10 and
I'm 151 right now. 

596
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,280
And you know, last year and 
obviously I was the same 5 foot 

597
00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:00,120
10, but I was like 180. 
So I really kind of shredded and

598
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,560
shedded all of the extra fat. 
That I've been carrying around 

599
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,800
my waist, Around my waist for, 
you know, 20-30 years. 

600
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,240
I'm 57 years old. 
I had all this fat around my 

601
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,640
waist and my ass and you know, 
all that just left, you know, 

602
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,280
when I started to pay attention,
you know, to getting more of the

603
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,240
sprouts into the body and I had 
the energy to do the workout. 

604
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,760
And unlike you, I don't enjoy 
the workouts. 

605
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,280
Yeah, like I enjoy the business.
You know, I enjoy spending time 

606
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,680
with my daughter. 
But the workout, it is total 

607
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,800
grit and discipline for me 
because I don't love it. 

608
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,080
You know? 
I do it because I have to do it.

609
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,720
And you know, I want, like it's 
important for me to be 

610
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,560
physically, mentally, 
spiritually in shape. 

611
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,880
So I do it for that reason, but 
I don't love it. 

612
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,040
Like it's much more. 
It's much easier to sit on my 

613
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,680
butt and be on the phone. 
Yeah, so right. 

614
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
So I gotta force myself to do it
and. 

615
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Do do you have any idea what 
your caloric intake has been 

616
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,080
like to drop that much weight? 
I'm just, I know you're not 

617
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,440
tracking. 
Yeah, no, I think, I think, I I 

618
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,360
think I dropped my caloric 
intake to about 2000 calories. 

619
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,280
OK. 
So you went from 180 to 150 and 

620
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,640
you're still eating 2000. 
Did you modulate that much that 

621
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,920
that time or do you just pretty 
much drop straight to 2000 and 

622
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,560
just have held that consistent? 
Well, I increased my my workout,

623
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,960
right? 
I I increased you know, to me 

624
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,800
like I I do the, I do my push 
ups almost like a cardio 

625
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,040
workout, but I do them till 
exhaustion. 

626
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,280
So I do sets of up to 70 push 
ups till I can't even move, 

627
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,360
right, And then and then I'll do
a 70, then a sixty, then A50, 

628
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:02,200
and I spread them out, and then 
also by increasing the cardio. 

629
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,720
But what allowed me was just I 
used to eat more fat, I used to 

630
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:13,200
eat more oils. 
And a lot of like the people 

631
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,800
that are doing the raw food 
diet, you know, they're eating a

632
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,560
lot of a lot of oils, a lot of 
avocados and those things. 

633
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,520
And I just let those go, 'cause 
I like them too much. 

634
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,240
So that was also, you know, the 
grid to say, hey, how can I do 

635
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,320
increase my sprout content? 
But you know, 1 cup of the 

636
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,120
garbanzo bean sprouts is 250 
calories, right? 

637
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,360
So if I'm having eight cups of 
the sprouts, you know, I'm 

638
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,280
getting 2000 calories. 
Like it's that. 

639
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,240
It's that clear. 
But when you start to add other 

640
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,200
stuff on top of it and you're 
more sedentary, you know, and 

641
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,840
you're not burning it off, you 
know, it just turns into fat, 

642
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,520
you know, and a bad fat and 
slows you down. 

643
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:07,720
I'd be super curious if like you
could take some DEXA scans to 

644
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,240
have a proxy for what your, you 
know, lean tissue has done as 

645
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,040
you've gone from you know 
periods of higher intake to 

646
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,880
lower intake exclusively eating 
sprouts. 

647
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,760
Like I'd be curious to see what 
that's doing. 

648
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,120
I mean you're you're training 
your your progressive 

649
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,720
overloading, your your push ups,
your your body weight squats and

650
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,480
all that, which is great. 
But like if that was held 

651
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,640
relatively constant, I'd be 
curious to see what your lean 

652
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,440
tissue does over time. 
If you're eating, you know 

653
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,760
pretty much exclusively sprouts 
and fruit. 

654
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:41,760
Yeah, yeah, look, you know my my
nutritionist suggested the DEXA 

655
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,720
scan. 
So which one do you recommend? 

656
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,720
Do I do the full, the full set 
or or the light one? 

657
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,240
I would definitely do like the 
full body. 

658
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,560
I mean there's there's two main 
brands for the DEXA scans, GE 

659
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,320
and I forget the other one off 
the top of my head and there's 

660
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,560
going to be a little variance 
with it. 

661
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,920
But generally speaking they're 
much more accurate than like an 

662
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,960
in body machine which is going 
to have a fluctuation based off 

663
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,120
of fluid retention and that 
would be great too. 

664
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,040
I mean you could do an in body 
machine that'd be more 

665
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
accessible to you. 
So you could do something like 

666
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,640
that on a somewhat regular 
basis. 

667
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680
But I would definitely be 
curious to see what your lean 

668
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,280
tissue does over time as you 
have you know exclusive, you 

669
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,720
know Sprout as your as your 
primary intake. 

670
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:34,920
Yeah, let me just find. 
So the IT looks like there's a 

671
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,280
company nearby body spec. 
Yeah, yeah. 

672
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,000
That has track muscles gain and 
loss. 

673
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Yeah. 
Body specs, right? 

674
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,200
Body Yeah, body spec DEXA scans 
are are the one so. 

675
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Yeah, jump on that. 
And they're, I mean they're 

676
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,800
pretty reasonably priced. 
You can do that you know every 

677
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,400
every three months or so would 
be a pretty good proxy if you 

678
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,400
got in a DEXA scan every three 
months and you can kind of see 

679
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:06,160
what your lean tissue is doing. 
You know we're not getting any 

680
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,280
younger. 
So the more we can do to 

681
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,200
preserve that lean tissue as we 
age as key and I would just be 

682
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,000
curious to see if you're eating 
exclusively sprouts and fruit, 

683
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,200
what what that does to things 
over time. 

684
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,000
Yeah, I'd be very. 
I'd be very happy to to share 

685
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,080
that you know, and see how we 
can, you know, optimize, 

686
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,800
because, you know, I'm very 
happy to be a science project. 

687
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,240
Yeah, me too. 
Me too. 

688
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,280
Well, talk to me a little bit 
about the, the, the whole 

689
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,840
process. 
Like if somebody's listening to 

690
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,840
this then OK, I want to, I want 
to grow some sprouts. 

691
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,440
Like, what does that look like? 
They buy some some Mason jars, 

692
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,640
put some water and see in there,
flip them upside down like, 

693
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,200
how's that look? 
Yeah. 

694
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200
So you know, it used to be 
pretty rogue. 

695
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,520
Like people have been sprouting 
in jars for hundreds of years. 

696
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,680
And So what I did was, you know,
when I was writing all the book,

697
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,840
when I was writing the book and 
I was sprouting in those stages,

698
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,960
it was very hard to get the 
right equipment. 

699
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,200
So, you know, I'm a very curious
guy and I knew what I wanted to 

700
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,640
do. 
So basically I put together a 

701
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,160
few people, you know, and some 
designers and figured out how we

702
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,960
could get our own, you know, 
product. 

703
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,360
So we formed, you know, we 
bought every product on the 

704
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,760
market. 
We ran it through the lab and we

705
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,880
said this is good, this isn't 
good. 

706
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,960
How do we take it further? 
And so we made, you know, a 

707
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:41,080
company called the Sprouting 
company and the product is very 

708
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,920
simple and very elegant, but 
it's a glass jar. 

709
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,040
It's a stainless steel filter 
that's used as a screen. 

710
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,560
And then with that, there's a 
stand and a drip tray. 

711
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,840
And the most important part is 
the seeds. 

712
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:07,160
So, you know, we sourced alfalfa
seeds, broccoli seeds, lentil 

713
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,240
seeds, peas, mong beans, and 
then made some blends. 

714
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:19,320
So there's a salad blend and 
there's a protein blend so that 

715
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,480
people can make it easy to have 
the formulations. 

716
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,160
And you so you get the seeds 
comes with the measuring cup. 

717
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,160
So there's 1/4 cup. 
So which looks like, you know, a

718
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,080
heaping scoop of protein powder 
that you add in and you take 

719
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,760
that scoop of seeds, you put it 
into the jar, you soak them 

720
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,280
overnight and then you rinse 
them, you know, with the best 

721
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440
water you have. 
You know I'm using filtered 

722
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480
water. 
And then you put them in the 

723
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,280
stand. 
And the protein sprouts you can 

724
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,200
start to eat in, you know, two 
to three days. 

725
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,200
The vegetable other sprouts, you
can eat in three to seven days. 

726
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,120
And you're literally getting the
sprouts fresh from the, you 

727
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,200
know, from the jar. 
And you can have a countertop 

728
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,840
garden and growing your own 
crop. 

729
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,440
So right now in my setup, I've 
got 8 jars going, but I started 

730
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,440
with one and then I just started
to build And you know, I do 

731
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,320
intermittent fasting. 
So I start to eat the sprouts 

732
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,880
around noon and then, you know, 
I close my feeding window around

733
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,720
6:00 PM. 
Well, I'm on your website now 

734
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,600
and I definitely like the look 
of it. 

735
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,520
It looks super clean the the 
sprouting kit looks very 

736
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,920
streamlined which which I like. 
So if I'm if I'm wanting to 

737
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,720
consume, you know, a substantial
meal from sprouts, you know, 

738
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:01,840
like if I want to like have a, 
you know, a 2 lbs of steak and 

739
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,200
then throw some sprouts in there
with it. 

740
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,800
I would need to have probably a 
jar for each day of the week 

741
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,960
basically, and then just kind of
have that rotation basically 

742
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,360
right? 
Yeah, I mean you could start 

743
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,160
small and grow. 
So what I would suggest is you 

744
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,920
know if you got one, you know 
one jar will give you 6 

745
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,200
servings, you know of sprouts to
just increase your phytonutrient

746
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,600
content. 
And you know, you could also do 

747
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,400
a jar a day and that would be 6,
you know, 6 jars based on a six 

748
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,320
day crop. 
And that's the, you know where 

749
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,920
you'll get to. 
They don't take a lot of space 

750
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,600
in the countertop and you know, 
it's interesting, you know how 

751
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,520
fast they grow. 
But I could tell you the they 

752
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,840
taste great, plain and 
unseasoned, and they make 

753
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,080
anything that you're eating more
nutritious. 

754
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,800
And is there like, I know you've
got an app as well, Does that 

755
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,280
app show like the nutritional 
breakdown of a serving of 

756
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,720
whatever variety of sprouts I 
was to purchase? 

757
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,600
I can double check on the 
nutrition there. 

758
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,600
We're right now working with the
labs on getting the full profile

759
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,680
because we were using USDA data 
and it wasn't as comprehensive. 

760
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,720
And what I'm finding, and this 
is kind of I consider it a real 

761
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,480
miracle, is that the sprouts 
have a different nutrition 

762
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,640
profile every single day. 
So from day one to day 2 to day 

763
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,720
three, the the profiles 
changing. 

764
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,480
So I want to start getting a a 
very fine granular level of 

765
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:56,160
specificity around every spout 
on every day so I can answer 

766
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,680
that more accurately because 
right now I think if there's any

767
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,840
data we have, it's just more 
generic. 

768
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,600
That would be super cool. 
Like if I can look into an app 

769
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,120
and say, OK, I've got this 
strain of sprouts growing right 

770
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,000
now, this weight of this. 
You know, if I would probably 

771
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,000
measure it by the way I put on a
food scale or something. 

772
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:20,720
OK, so this Oz quantity of 
sprouted alfalfa on this day 

773
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,520
yields this nutritional 
breakdown like that would be 

774
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,880
pretty pretty insightful, pretty
interesting. 

775
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Yeah, I I think you'll love it. 
I mean, you know, it looks like 

776
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000
you're a scientist, you know, 
working on your own body and the

777
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,120
fine tuning and you know, if you
want to be really lean I think 

778
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,840
and and healthy, right, because 
it'd be lean and not healthy. 

779
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,400
I think the sprouts will really 
kind of fit right into your, 

780
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,560
into your former, into your 
framework. 

781
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,120
Well I just love being 
self-sufficient man. 

782
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,880
So the honestly, the fact that 
you can, you know, grow them 

783
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,440
relatively quickly with nothing 
more than a jar and some water, 

784
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,160
you don't even need like 
sunlight or anything like that. 

785
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,120
So how's that work? 
They work without sunlight at 

786
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,600
all. 
Yeah, I mean basically the 

787
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:17,280
miracle of sprouting is that 
these seeds are complete living 

788
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:24,520
organisms living in a dormant 
state and the in nature. 

789
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:29,600
You know I would imagine that an
animal you know would be eating 

790
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,960
a fruit or eating a pod or 
eating the the vegetable and 

791
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,440
then the seed would go through 
the digestive tract of the 

792
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,480
animal and then would be pooped 
out. 

793
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,920
And then you know in the in the 
waste would be like a compost 

794
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,760
and then from the waste and from
the soil it would sprout out. 

795
00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:01,840
So the seed itself contains an 
endosperm and an embryo and this

796
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,320
concentrated, aggregated 
nutritional source so that it's 

797
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:14,840
able to grow from zero to about 
seven days without the without 

798
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:20,160
fertilizer, without soil and 
other inputs beyond water, 

799
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,080
carbon and oxygen. 
Very cool. 

800
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,600
Out of curiosity, are you? 
You said you're not eating any 

801
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,000
any meat right now. 
Is there a particular reason for

802
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,120
that? 
You just feel good without it. 

803
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,440
You know, for for me, I grew up 
eating meat, you know, and I I 

804
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,560
ate a lot of meat. 
And you know, when I, when I, 

805
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:53,760
when I did my first shift into 
eating plants, I felt liked, you

806
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,040
know, it almost felt like I was 
high. 

807
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:04,800
And that feeling when whenever I
would introduce anything, even 

808
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,080
cooked, by the way, you know, 
I'm eating raw fruits and 

809
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,440
vegetables, so I'm not even 
eating cooked vegetables. 

810
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:21,280
So I'm eating this raw stuff and
it makes me, you know, mental 

811
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,080
clarity, energy, clarity. 
So I feel that anything, you 

812
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:33,200
know, cooked anything's kind of 
weighs me down, slows me down 

813
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,560
and you know, look, whatever 
research you read and I could 

814
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,320
tell you this for sure that 
whatever your information you 

815
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,160
are seeking, you will find 100. 
Percent. 

816
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
If you want to find the good 
information about vegetables, 

817
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,960
you'll find it. 
You want to find the good 

818
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,080
information about sprouts? 
You'll find it. 

819
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,240
You want to find bad 
information. 

820
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,080
You'll find you know things of 
people say it's the worst, 

821
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,920
vegetables are the worst. 
They've got anti nutrition. 

822
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,320
They're trying to kill you. 
And you know where I panned out 

823
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,960
was I want to have a low carbon 
footprint and you know you're 

824
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,000
homesteading so you're, you know
right there on the 

825
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,000
self-reliance. 
So turns out I'm in the desert. 

826
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,840
I can grow, you know, normal 
vegetables here. 

827
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,200
You can't, you know, you can't 
have cattle, can't have 

828
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,320
chickens. 
You know, the coyotes here, 

829
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,440
look, you know, so frail. 
I just feel bad for them. 

830
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,800
I don't know if you eat coyotes.
So it just didn't resonate with 

831
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,560
me, you know, anymore. 
Like one day, you know, I guess,

832
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,800
you know, my mom had stomach 
cancer. 

833
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,000
My father had heart disease. 
My uncle had a heart disease and

834
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,880
died. 
My aunt had Type 2 diabetes and 

835
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,800
they chopped off both of her 
feet. 

836
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,120
And, you know, her diet was kind
of candy bread, pizza, pasta, 

837
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,440
you know, and meat. 
And so, you know, it's hard to 

838
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,920
isolate. 
I can't point to a single thing,

839
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,440
you know, that that looks at it.
But I think from the large 

840
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,640
bodies of research that I looked
at, that came to me that said, 

841
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:36,480
the healthiest food for my 
longevity would be living fruits

842
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:44,760
and vegetables and sprouts. 
And sprouts are 20 to 100 times 

843
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,760
more nutrient dense than mature 
vegetables. 

844
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,880
So that really motivated me to 
consume more sprouts than other 

845
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,120
vegetables. 
Yeah, that that's an interesting

846
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,680
fact for sure. 
Like, do you getting much more 

847
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,920
concentrated nutrition from the 
sprouts than you would from the 

848
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,840
food once it reaches maturity, 
which is, which is, like I said,

849
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,680
super interesting. 
Are you adding any sauces or 

850
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,880
seasonings or anything to these?
Or are you just opening up the 

851
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:17,120
jar and going to town? 
I've added a lot and when I have

852
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:23,640
other people coming by, you know
my staple dressing is made from 

853
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:29,960
tahini, you know, which is high 
protein and high calcium based 

854
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:38,600
and fermented miso and and 
fermented sauerkrauts. 

855
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,040
So I would use ferments along 
with the tahini to make a 

856
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,920
dressing, you know, with lemon 
as an assiduant. 

857
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,680
But basically, I like to eat the
sprouts plain. 

858
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Like, I took a drive yesterday 
from LA and I ate a pound of 

859
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,760
sprouted green peas. 
You know, right out of the jar. 

860
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,480
You know, on the way home, the 
way other people would be eating

861
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,080
popcorn. 
Yeah, I definitely think not 

862
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,280
eating the processed foods, the 
carb like the the junk carbs, 

863
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,560
the sugars, the popcorn, I 
think, I think we're in 

864
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,240
agreement that that's probably 
not optimal. 

865
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,400
So I'm all for swapping out 
popcorn for some sprouted 

866
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,440
sprouted greens. 
Yeah, I think, I think it makes 

867
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,440
a lot, I think it makes a lot of
sense and I think you could you 

868
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,440
could do it. 
I'm I'm really excited, you 

869
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,040
know, to see you, you know, 
experimenting with the sprouts. 

870
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,040
Yeah, no, I mean, like I said, I
we we've got a garden, we'll 

871
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,640
we'll do some homesteading. 
I don't need a ton of 

872
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,960
vegetation, but when I do, I 
would. 

873
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,040
I would much rather eat 
something that I've grown myself

874
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,600
and know where it's come from 
for sure. 

875
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,960
And I like the idea of being 
able to have a quick turn around

876
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,800
as opposed to fooling around in 
a garden for months on end, so 

877
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,720
that the idea of sprouting 
certainly appeals to me. 

878
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,400
I would definitely be putting it
on the plate beside a big old 

879
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,520
juicy grass finished steak 
though, as opposed to in 

880
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,360
isolation only eating sprouts 
personally. 

881
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,560
But yeah, I'm excited to give 
him a shot, man. 

882
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,960
Yeah, well, look, I think, you 
know, when you eat the sprouts, 

883
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,000
they're very, you know, you're 
going to like the freshness and 

884
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,560
you're going to like the 
texture. 

885
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:21,160
And you know, the it'll be up to
you whether you want to eat more

886
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,720
of them or less of them. 
So I don't tell people what to 

887
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,280
do. 
I encourage them to eat them. 

888
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,720
But from a profile perspective, 
you know if you're going to eat 

889
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,360
vegetables, you know my goal is 
to have the most nutritious, 

890
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,240
dense vegetables you can get. 
No 100% man, 100% so. 

891
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,240
So where do people go to find 
out more about your company and 

892
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,720
dive into the sprouting game if 
they so choose? 

893
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,240
Yeah. 
So I'm on Instagram, you know 

894
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,640
under my name Doug Evans and the
sprouting company is you know 

895
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,720
that's the the, the name of it, 
the sprouting company on 

896
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,720
Instagram, the website 
isthesproutingcompany.com and 

897
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,920
Tiktok is the sprouting company 
and. 

898
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,080
You know, I encourage people 
just, you know, be sprout, 

899
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,800
curious, and see how it feels. 
But this is, you know, what I 

900
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,800
consider nature's first food. 
No, for sure, man makes sense. 

901
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,480
Well, I I definitely will give 
it a try. 

902
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,520
I I like trying anything, so 
I'll certainly give it a try for

903
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,680
sure. 
So I'm excited to to start 

904
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,480
sprouting some greens and we'll 
see how it goes, man. 

905
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,160
I can't thank you enough for 
taking the time and enlighten me

906
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,880
enlightening me on the sprouts. 
Hey, well, look, I have a lot of

907
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,960
respect for you and you know, I 
I looked at your body and I'm, 

908
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,680
I'm saying I don't want to ask 
him if he's a natty. 

909
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,640
So the fact that you came forth 
because I think the, you know, 

910
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,000
performance enhancing drugs are,
you know, very dangerous and 

911
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,600
toxic. 
They are. 

912
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,840
They are a lot of people. 
I mean, I'm not one to judge, 

913
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,880
but there's a lot of people 
getting into the sport for the 

914
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,080
wrong reasons and not paying any
mind to true health and 

915
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,000
longevity. 
And if you start going down that

916
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,880
route and abusing those drugs, 
it's not often times going to 

917
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,720
bode well for you. 
So I've always tried to figure 

918
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,400
out the best way to go about 
things naturally for the long 

919
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,880
haul, and I haven't felt any 
need to deviate from that thus 

920
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,440
far. 
So I have no intentions of doing

921
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,320
so do. 
They test you. 

922
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:25,760
Do you perform in competitions 
with people on PEDs? 

923
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,760
Yeah, I certainly have. 
I try and compete predominantly 

924
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,720
in natural federations though. 
So those they test every, every 

925
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,280
competitor, they polygraph every
competitor and then if you win, 

926
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,120
they do a urinalysis test on 
you. 

927
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,520
They've got random drug tests 
throughout the year. 

928
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,240
So yeah, all of my federations 
are drug tested. 

929
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,840
Terrific. 
Well, I think that's good. 

930
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,320
Well, anyway, Robert, you are a 
savage. 

931
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,440
You're doing great stuff, and 
I'm so glad that you took the 

932
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,480
time to learn about sprouts this
morning. 

933
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,720
Hey, my pleasure, Doug. 
I really appreciate the insight.

934
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,960
I will certainly give it a shot,
see if I'm if I've got a green 

935
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,960
thumb when it comes to the 
sprouts, and if there's 

936
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,560
everything I do for you, man, 
just let me know. 

937
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,160
OK, I appreciate. 
I think you're going to be a 

938
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,880
Sprouting master. 
Well, if I have any questions, 

939
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,120
I'll certainly know who to turn 
to. 

940
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,480
OK my friend. 
Take care. 

941
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,880
Take care. 
Bye, bye. 

942
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:22,720
Yeah.