1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,040 and today I've got special repeat guest and good friend 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,720 Barton Scott on the line. He is the man, the myth, the 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,880 legend behind upgraded formulas, which is one of my preferred 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,040 supplements that I use. I use that just daily throughout 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 my competition prep. I use it daily anyways, but it 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,320 is a great supplement for getting the electrolytes styled 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,680 in. We talk quite extensively about 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,680 proper electrolyte manipulation, making sure you're taking in the 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,720 right ratio of sodium to potassium. 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,280 We talk about iron and calcium. We talk about how a lot of 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,720 people are under the assumption that they are deficient in iron, 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,200 whereas in reality they may be taking in too much iron and need 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,720 to deplete those levels a little bit. 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,240 As we talked kind of just really in depth about proper mineral 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,080 loads, elemental loads, how to test for these different 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,880 minerals to figure out where you're deficient. 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Testing and not guessing is key as we dive quite deep into all 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,680 of that. I've got no doubt that you'll 20 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,840 take something from this so that for the delay, sit back, relax, 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,440 enjoy the conversation with my good friend Barton. 22 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:11,480 Scott and we are live Barton. 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,320 Scott, how are you, brother? Hey, so great to be back on with 24 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:16,600 you. It is, man. 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,200 I feel like the last time we had you on a podcast, I mean, I 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,520 think it's been like two, maybe three years now, I think. 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,000 I think something like three, yeah. 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Yeah, that's Wildman. That is wild. 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Well, how, how is the world treating you? 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,960 We, we saw each other at you were at Ketocon last year, 31 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:37,080 right? Yeah, I guess it would have been 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,440 year before last now I was out of the country then. 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,360 But the yeah, things are, are really good. 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:49,000 I've got the just doing a lot of really impressive things with 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,880 the company things I'm, I'm, I've wanted to do for a long 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,120 time and like clinical trials and things like that. 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,880 And, and then like just constantly learning, you know, 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,640 continuing to learn. Even though we've made such 39 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,640 great strides and like really innovative, it's still just, you 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,440 know, it's the reason why I got into this, right is, is finding, 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,720 you know, what are the, the newest principles, techniques, 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,520 concepts, What are some of the old forgotten wisdom as well? 43 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,760 I love that stuff just as much. Well, I'm a huge. 44 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Fan of all things upgraded formulas, man. 45 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:27,920 Like I, I, I was giving y'all some serious business throughout 46 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:30,560 my last competition prep because I've I'd figured out my 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,320 electrolytes got got it dialed into the tea and I was doing 1 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,960 teaspoon of your upgraded potassium with every 1000 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,760 milligrams of sodium I would consume. 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,880 And I was consuming 10 to 15,000 milligrams of sodium a day at 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,720 the time. So I was doing a whole bunch of 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,160 your upgraded potassium, but I had that stuff on, you know, 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,480 speed ship automated delivery because that was that was super, 54 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,960 super important for me at that time. 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,680 That's phenomenal. I I love that Yeah and yeah, 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,440 looking ripped as ever. Love it so, so good that that's 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,240 a great amount of sodium too. I, I know you know what you're 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,680 doing there and, and you're also, you know, doing hair tests 59 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,080 and doing other tests and to check in. 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,920 But yeah, I'd love to hear. I'd love to hear what what 61 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:27,760 you're, what you learn by doing that, what, what you learned in 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,080 order to do that and what results you saw. 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,840 Well, for me, whenever I'm in a prep and I'm I'm dying down, the 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,360 calories are dropping, the body fat's dropping like once I get 65 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,000 to about, I don't know, probably sub 2000 calories. 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,880 And once I get down below, you know, double digit body fat. 67 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,320 So I'm starting in like 7-8, nine percent body fat, my 68 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,160 craving for salt just intensifies. 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,920 And I've noticed that I just kind of lean into that. 70 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,480 So I'll consume, you know, ten 12,000 milligrams of sodium a 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,720 day sprinkled throughout the day. 72 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,040 And if I don't have my electrolytes perfectly in 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,520 equilibrium with the right ratio, I'll retain a ton of 74 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,920 extra fluid in my subcutaneous layer of skin. 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,920 But by kind of going about that protocol with, you know, one 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,720 teaspoon of your upgraded formulas, potassium with every 77 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,680 1000 milligrams of sodium, I would consume that pretty well 78 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,960 worked Florida State from a ratio standpoint. 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,680 I didn't really retain any excess fluid. 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,520 So anytime I didn't have my potassium I definitely noticed 81 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,560 the difference. Yeah, I, I love that it makes 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,280 sense, right? Because that sodium, potassium 83 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:42,560 pump that the cells have and yeah, yeah, that's, that's 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,680 really cool. I haven't done a hair test, 85 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,960 though. I have, I have, I've done one, 86 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,400 you know, way back when I actually got a hair test from 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,440 you, but I have not taken the sample yet to send back to. 88 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,600 I had hoped to do that before this podcast so we can go over 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,680 the results live on air, but I've been dragging my feet on 90 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,080 that and I have have dropped the ball, so to speak. 91 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:05,920 That's all right. Well, we can do another and then 92 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,240 go over things you've learned. And I I like doing that with 93 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,880 with people like you that are pushing the limits so much with 94 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,480 bodybuilding and, you know, just any, any sort of pushing the 95 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,400 limits. I reviewed Ben Greenfield's for 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,200 and Tara Garrison and a few other people and that we know. 97 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,560 And yeah, so that's, no, that's phenomenal. 98 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,240 The, you know, one of the things I've learned recently was around 99 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,680 iron and it this is, I feel like really important. 100 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,160 And we can talk about sodium too, and how, man, so many 101 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,880 people don't have enough sodium and then doctors don't really 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,920 understand this. So this is a couple things that 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,000 could save a couple lives, many I would say, and certainly 104 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,280 improve people's general quality of life. 105 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:01,760 So we can go into that if you want. 106 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,920 Yeah, man, for sure. I think there's a lot of 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,520 confusion around sodium for sure, but there's there's much 108 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 less talk around iron. So I'd love to peel the curtain 109 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,960 back on both of those and see kind of what, what you've 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 learned in the in the not too distant past here. 111 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,480 Mm hmm. Well, if we take sodium first, 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,120 you know, to to tell a story. We had someone sort of like an 113 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,760 aunt in the family and she'd worked for my dad wasn't 114 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,240 actually blood related, but was so close to the family. 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,960 It was, it was really painful. And then had someone that was 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,480 almost like a grandfather to me and the same thing happened 117 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,000 there. And what it was, is both these 118 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,320 people had low sodium levels even coming into the hospital. 119 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,280 And the what the doctors did is, you know, because they had 120 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:55,480 swelling, they looked at the swelling as, oh, well, that's 121 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,440 sodium. We got to, we have to cut salt 122 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:04,000 from the diet and they were already swelling, right. 123 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,200 So the the problem is, is like not only getting it wrong, but 124 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,360 being completely opposite and understanding of literally just 125 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,640 how the elements work in the body. 126 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,640 So, you know, definitely share this with someone. 127 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,480 You could absolutely save on someone's life and whoever is 128 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,920 going to be there helping you when you're in the hospital, you 129 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,280 know, whenever that is, hopefully a long time from now, 130 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 if you're helping someone else, they need to know this 131 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,000 information. So the what happens is, is let's 132 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:44,240 say someone's swelling just like they both were, then what they 133 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,560 often do in the hospital is they go, oh, well, let's cut sodium 134 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,800 completely out of the diet. Well, sodium is needed for a lot 135 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,400 of things, as you know, and it puts a person just even beyond 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,560 that emotionally. And something we see in the hair 137 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,160 test, a ratio of sodium to potassium, which is really the 138 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,480 most important ratio in the entire body in terms of physical 139 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,400 energy and emotional health. Like that drives everything 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,600 that's low enough, like someone's considered dead, even 141 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,560 if they have a pulse. Like it's just, it's, it really 142 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,560 drives quality of life and, and you can actually see personality 143 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,440 in this. And this is what I'm, I'm 144 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,160 writing a lot about in a book that'll come out later this 145 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,000 year. It's, it's this idea that, you 146 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,880 know, with this ratio, if we don't respect it, if we don't 147 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,039 understand it then and if we're not testing for it, we have no 148 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:44,080 idea, of course, that you know, but also if we're just doing a 149 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,360 blood draw, we're not getting accurate data. 150 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,480 We're getting serum, right, which is not what's making it 151 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,640 into the tissue. So and it and yes, of course, 152 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,800 it's also a snapshot, but it's worse than that. 153 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 It's really just not that accurate. 154 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,560 And you know, unless you're looking at hormones, but 155 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:03,920 hormones are downstream. And this is also just kind of 156 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,040 generally about hair testing, which we do, which was the big 157 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,280 eye opener for me. If you haven't heard any of the 158 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,640 podcasts Robert and I have done before this and I really opened 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,920 my eyes. It was something I was using to 160 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,400 save my mom's health. And the test didn't really work, 161 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,960 but we realized the supplements didn't. 162 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,440 And so then I went on this path as a chemical engineer of 163 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,120 developing supplements that did work that we could verify 164 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,720 worked. And now we've done some clinical 165 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,240 trials actually on on the magnesium to prove, you know, 166 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,880 sleep results and like massive results, which we could, we 167 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,000 could talk about later if you want. 168 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,160 But the yeah. So with sodium, imagine this is 169 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,320 you. And you, you have the 170 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,200 unfortunate nature to be in the hospital. 171 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,400 You're having a lot of fluid retention. 172 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,600 And they go, all right, take off, let's cut all sodium from 173 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,000 the diet. And the person only gets worse 174 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,560 and then worse and then worse. And you see this person after 175 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:05,440 person after person. You would think that at least, 176 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:09,000 and maybe some, some people have figured this out, but you'd 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,840 think that doing the opposite might be when people are 178 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,640 literally dying soon thereafter. Because I, I said I was like, if 179 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,920 we can't get them to get someone to change it in person, this 180 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,120 whole strategy and actually give them a sodium IB and 181 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,640 electrolytes, magnesium, potassium, etcetera, chloride, 182 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,640 then, well, you can set your watch to it. 183 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,720 I, I give it 72 hours at this stage and sure enough, they're 184 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,240 going like 60. It's really, it's really tough 185 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,720 because I'm sure at least at least several thousand, but 186 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,800 probably way more than that die each year just in the US from 187 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,440 this, from this just utter lack of understanding. 188 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,120 And it's, it's completely I, I mean, someone might die of 189 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,000 something else, but they don't die of that. 190 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,440 So simple. Yeah. 191 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:00,880 And it's it's. Unfortunate. 192 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,360 I mean, like on a in, in my wheelhouse in the bodybuilding 193 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,760 realm of things, you know, obviously not near the life and 194 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,120 death situation there. But I mean people get that wrong 195 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,280 all the time too with regards to sodium manipulations. 196 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,800 They'll cut sodium drastically and they'll try and like super 197 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,680 constant compensate and load sodium or low potassium to try 198 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,040 and you know, play that sodium potassium pump game. 199 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,720 But then their body correspondingly, you know, 200 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,840 hypercompensates, you know, via additional aldosterone excretion 201 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,040 and then fluid retention. And it's just like if you, if 202 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,720 you play that game incorrectly, you're going to look 203 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,000 significantly worse on stage. And if you never manipulated 204 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,800 anything and, and people just that there's the sodium 205 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,280 potassium equilibrium is a pretty profound physiological 206 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,720 effect. It's going to impact how you 207 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,440 feel, how you're able to contract your muscles in 208 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,560 training and on stage, how vascular you're going to look, 209 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,600 how much subcutaneous fluid you're going to be holding in 210 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,640 your skin. Like it totally can make or 211 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,160 break you on stage if you get it wrong, especially if you're 212 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 manipulating carbohydrates as well 'cause it's gonna cause 213 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,240 additional fluid retention. But like, from a hospital 214 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,320 setting, Yeah. I mean, this could be a life or 215 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,040 death situation. Right. 216 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,920 So and I'll just add one, one last thing. 217 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,000 So when you're looking at, you know, looking to help someone in 218 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,320 that position, the the thing you actually have the reason why 219 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,520 it's happening, right? We could just talk about that. 220 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,600 Why is it happening? What's happening? 221 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,040 Simply because the body views sodium as so precious, 222 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,640 especially when it's in a low amount that it's doing 223 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,480 everything it can to retain it. So it's, you know, that's the 224 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,280 whole idea. Now what was happening in both 225 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,520 their cases is they're having experiencing a lot of pain due 226 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,680 to the swelling where they had so much fluid with fluids from 227 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,440 engineering, you know, they always taught us, which took a 228 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,920 little while to understand that fluid, water or any liquid is 229 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,640 actually incompressible like you know it, which is, which is 230 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,040 interesting. So whenever it's in the body and 231 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,840 it's building up, if it's building up in your around your 232 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,920 joints, it's literally stretching your joints and your 233 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,760 tendons and your ligaments and literally like tearing you 234 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,080 apart. Fluid, water is that powerful. 235 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:29,600 So it's interesting. So what's happening then is that 236 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,320 people are then being administered pain medicine and 237 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,160 they're doing injections, they're giving pain meds and 238 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,320 then at some point like the body just gives up. 239 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,160 And it, I mean, because water like killed by water and killed 240 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,880 by a lack of salt, really killed by a lack of understanding, 241 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,520 however you want to think of it. So that's, that's huge. 242 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,760 And how can you test for that? I recommend, you know, doing a 243 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,480 hair test, like what we offer, you can find someone else, but 244 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,000 you need to have someone, not just anyone that's a health 245 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,360 professional of some sort, but someone that's trained in that. 246 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,960 So we offer that. Other people, I'm sure offer 247 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,560 that too. It's kind of hard to find, 248 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,680 frankly, but it's the best, I would say. 249 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,640 I mean, if you do it four times a year, it's, you know, maybe 250 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,800 $1000. That's the best money you can 251 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,880 spend in in actually knowing your numbers. 252 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,760 I looked at my methylation age actually too, Robert and I know 253 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,640 we haven't talked about this yet and you know, looking at Brian 254 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Johnson and Ben Greenfield in a podcast a friend sent me their, 255 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,560 their methylation age, their rate of aging was like .71 point 256 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,840 6-7, both great, right? That's for that meaning for 257 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,560 every 100 years that passed their aging respectively .71 for 258 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,840 Ben, .67 for for Brian. I thought my number was really 259 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,880 good until I saw that. And I know Brian is in the top 260 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:06,000 1% or so and he's also spending 2 million a year myself, both 261 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,760 early 40s. So I'm in, you know, late 30s. 262 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,880 So that, I mean, that plays some role. 263 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,160 But I was at .62 and the main test I've done for the last 10 264 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,440 years since I've had the company is this hair analysis. 265 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Because if you know the elements, everything is built 266 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,240 including hormones, right from elements. 267 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,520 And I know that's why you, you've been, you know, a big fan 268 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,920 of this for a long time, just like I've been a big fan of your 269 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:38,400 products for a long time. And it's it's easy to get away 270 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,760 from the quote UN quote basics by or to do the basics wrong or 271 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,440 to not absorb the basics. But when you get the basics 272 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,120 right, the building blocks of everything, it's like having a 273 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,800 incredibly well built foundation and sort of structure, overall 274 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,400 structure of a home. You know, it's like you you can 275 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,880 weather a lot of storms that way. 276 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,600 And if that's not there, but you have great interior decorating, 277 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,080 it doesn't really matter, unfortunately. 278 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,000 So that I would just, that's one just angle that I never hear 279 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,640 people talk about, which is just, you know, elements build 280 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,360 everything. And we, you know, the human 281 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,800 body, according to the Royal Society of Chemistry is built, 282 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,960 is made of 59 elements. It's actually probably a few 283 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,680 more, but six elements make up 99% of us and then everything 284 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,120 else is trace, right? Doesn't mean those aren't 285 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,840 incredibly important because they are, because they run 286 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,400 little snippets of code called enzymes or the they power 287 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,520 enzymes which run these, you know, blocks of code just like 288 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,480 in computer science and, you know, loading web pages and 289 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,560 things. And yeah, so that's this is. 290 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,320 I just find that really fascinating. 291 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,360 No, I totally, totally agree, man. 292 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,760 As far as the the ratio between sodium and potassium go as that 293 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,320 is one of the more important ones. 294 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,800 What I've always tried to subscribe to is kind of 295 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,520 targeting a 2 to one ratio of supplemental sodium to 296 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,800 potassium. So obviously there's some 297 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,599 potassium in like like certain types of red meat, for instance, 298 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,160 like pork loins pretty high in potassium. 299 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,280 But if I'm targeting a 2 to one ratio of supplemental sodium to 300 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,440 potassium, that tends to to be a pretty good sweet spot for me. 301 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,720 Is that a general, you know, threshold that most people are 302 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,520 gonna find benefit in? So that's a great question. 303 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,680 So on our hair test we look at 2.4 being the the ideal. 304 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,680 So if you wanted to aim for something round, you could say 305 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,760 2.5. Easy math, right? 306 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,080 So. 2.5 times as much sodium to 1:00 to. 307 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Potassium, yeah, yeah. So if you're doing 1000 308 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,200 milligrams of potassium, you're doing 2500 milligrams of sodium, 309 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Yeah. So that I mean to a certain 310 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,240 point, right. So you know, all the way up to 311 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:05,040 say 4 thousand, 4500 milligrams or so of of potassium, right. 312 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,560 So yeah, you could go all the way up to I see where you're 313 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,720 getting right there, right, because you've actually get 314 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 enough potassium like 4300 milligrams, you're doing that 315 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:19,000 times 2.5 in terms of that to your sodium at that ratio, 316 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,440 right, which is which is incredible that I mean the ideal 317 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,120 being 2.4. So yeah, I mean these are big 318 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:31,280 numbers. So yeah, as as extreme as say 319 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,320 12,015 thousand sounded. And granted, extreme exertion, 320 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,960 you know, excessive tates, extreme resources, right? 321 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Totally. In the same way that if you're 322 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,680 going to fly around the world, you need a lot more fuel than if 323 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,520 you're just going, yeah, one state over or something. 324 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,920 Yeah, 100%. So, and, and one thing I I've 325 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,240 noticed in just not trying so many different electrolyte 326 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,960 blends over the years is that the nice thing about your liquid 327 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:05,000 nanopotassium specifically is that since it is nano sized, the 328 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,040 actual particle size is smaller than that the red blood cells. 329 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,600 So you have 100% absorption. Whereas with a lot of these 330 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,200 electrolyte salts for instance, you, you're not getting near the 331 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,680 absorption, you're gonna hit AGI threshold with it and you're 332 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,760 often times just gonna be excreting a lot of what you're 333 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,880 supplementing, which isn't really the case with what you're 334 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,720 offering. Yeah, thank you. 335 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,800 I'm so glad you've seen that. And that's, that's what I see 336 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,000 too. And that's true for our 337 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,760 magnesium too. A lot of people will ask, it's 338 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,920 like, well, what form is it? And I always tell people, you 339 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,960 know, with our supplements, it's unlike anything you've ever 340 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,920 heard of or used because I literally trained as a chemical 341 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,040 engineer. What we're able to do, what 342 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,440 we're trained on is to create industrial processes. 343 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,880 So an actual process, physical process that produces a 344 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,400 different end product. So every other manufacturer out 345 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,200 there is just creating products based on the end product that 346 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,280 they could get that they could buy somewhere. 347 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,880 And we're just we're changing the game by. 348 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,280 Just creating something different so you have a 349 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,160 different outcome. So the form really doesn't 350 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,640 matter. We take pure magnesium, I bind 351 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,480 it. We really create a plasma out of 352 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,440 all of our minerals and that allows us to change the particle 353 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,800 size using nanotechnology equipment and then ultimately 354 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,840 deliver a product to you that you, you don't have to do any 355 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,800 work to absorb. You just absorb it. 356 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,600 And it's just, it's in your red blood cells and also distributed 357 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,440 throughout the body. And you see things like if you 358 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,440 were to do like ARBC test for magnesium, you see that that 359 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,120 does bump up and bump up and bump up when you know when the 360 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:52,000 particle size is, if someone's watching this video, then it's, 361 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,600 but I'll just describe it. You know, if you're, if you, the 362 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:02,120 size of your red blood cell is the size of a golf ball and then 363 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,800 the size of the particles that you're trying to absorb from 364 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,600 those supplements is much larger, let's say 8 times larger 365 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,440 or the size of a basketball. Think of that. 366 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,720 So what we're doing is we're creating something the size of 367 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,880 like a needle, right? So 1000 times smaller. 368 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:23,600 That's about what we're doing. And it also has just the, it has 369 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,640 nature still intact, right? Still has the electron driving 370 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,280 force. So you're getting into the 371 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,640 cells. So all you have to remember if 372 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,040 that seems, you know, technical is bringing on listening is that 373 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,680 we're just making it a lot smaller. 374 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,400 So it absorbs a lot better. And that's the reason why you're 375 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,720 not getting as hydrated using something else. 376 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:51,240 So people will say about about great potassium that it quote. 377 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,000 It feels like electricity entering my body it especially 378 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,920 if they do it straight, which I don't recommend. 379 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,200 It's pretty salty. It's fine for like hard hardcore 380 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,280 people like us, but you know, it's also fine to just add it to 381 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,600 your water. Yeah, I'll do it straight if I'm 382 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,640 in a pinch, but sometimes I'll just add it to whatever 383 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,160 electrolyte drink I'm drinking that has the high sodium 384 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,320 content. But yeah, man, I, I, I love it. 385 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,920 And then when it comes to like just supplement, like 386 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,280 electrolyte supplements in general, I feel like they're 387 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,880 popping up everywhere, man. I think they're a dime a dozen 388 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,880 right now. There's so many of them. 389 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,320 And most of them are using like a citrate form of, you know, 390 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,680 like a magnesium or potassium. And that's more so used from 391 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,360 like a like that that's gonna cause a lot more fluid retention 392 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,080 inter intratestinally. So you're gonna have a lot more 393 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,320 GI, you know, adverse effects, I would think than some of the 394 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,360 other forms. But that's the cheapest form. 395 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,560 So I'm sure that's probably why most companies are using it. 396 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,400 Right, right, yeah. And I mean, ultimately we have 397 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,920 to put something on our label. So our, for example, our 398 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,160 magnesium will say, you know, nano magnesium chloride and what 399 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,320 I'm doing, it's not at all. So what's a completely different 400 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,560 product to say magnesium chloride that you would buy? 401 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,760 And that's, but we have to call it something, right? 402 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,840 And the problem with, you know, creating and, or inventing 403 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,440 something, you know, new from a product standpoint is that, you 404 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,240 know, you still have to follow old regulations on what to say. 405 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,920 So we're binding with, I'm binding it with chloride after 406 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,120 white chloride. Well, the body needs chloride, 407 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,920 you know, for stomach acid. Most people have, I mean, if 408 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,880 you're listening to this, you probably have low stomach acid. 409 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,080 Like congratulations, just because in today's world, it's 410 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,200 hard not to now, you know, Robert, you probably don't. 411 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,120 You're super on top of your health, but most people, even I 412 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,600 would say 95% of people have low stomach acid. 413 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,640 Unfortunately, in today's world in America, in part because of 414 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,920 the stress, in part because of a lot of other things. 415 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,760 And then you have other like just things that Jack up the the 416 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,840 pH, like H pylori. Yeah. 417 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,320 I mean, there's a lot of issues there with upgraded charge. 418 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,280 That's one I really love and that actually has you know, 419 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,000 juice from limes, like actual lime peel and we do that. 420 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,360 I really like that because it instantly hydrates you as well 421 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,440 and it and it has some magnesium in it. 422 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,120 It has a little bit of zinc, which also helps with hydration, 423 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,360 has some trace minerals and has some potassium, has less 424 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,880 potassium obviously, but still has some, has quite a bit of 425 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,360 sodium too. And yeah, I mean, people just 426 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,440 love that one as as well for the same thing. 427 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,880 I had a a couple friends, one that qualified for Kona, the 428 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,200 World Iron Man Championship. And he was, I wouldn't recommend 429 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,760 this, but he was, Eric was eating magnesium capsules during 430 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,920 the race. It was 104° in Coeur d'Alene, 431 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,800 Idaho. And and everyone else was like 432 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,560 passing out with cramps and they had charge in his water upgraded 433 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,480 charge and that's a sample. Of that I think. 434 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,840 Is that the one that tastes like soup or sour but pretty tasty? 435 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Yeah, exactly yeah straight from lime peel. 436 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,200 So yeah, if you do it directly in the mouth again, I I don't 437 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,840 recommend except for the most hardcore, you can just add it to 438 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,160 your water, you know, and it just, it's kind of flavor it 439 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,360 then yeah, you do like 4 droppers and like 10 oz You're 440 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,560 you're not really going to taste anything except a mild lime 441 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,960 flavor. Yeah and. 442 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,200 That's what he was using. He was using that and he was 443 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,120 using a great magnesium throughout the race and he 444 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:45,240 passed the number 2 and #10 guys in the world as he ran his 13th, 445 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,840 ran, swam, biked his 13th Iron Man, qualified for Kona. 446 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,920 Probably would have done really well. 447 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,920 Unfortunately, you know, got kicked in the face in the swim 448 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,400 and, you know, kind of messed up his day, almost broke his nose, 449 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,040 kind of swam a couple miles after that. 450 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,400 But I think he still managed to, you know, finish and and 451 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,960 everything, but which was a life goal for him. 452 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,960 And he had tried literally 12 other times and we had to dial 453 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,880 in his electrolytes, much like you just figured out for your 454 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,320 competition. So yeah, just really key stuff 455 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,600 because it it, you know, magnesium, we used to do think 456 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,640 it it like 300 things in the body. 457 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,720 It's like 1950s research. We now know it does over 3000 458 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,960 things in the body, including make energy in every cell that 459 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,760 has mitochondria, which is almost all. 460 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,400 So yeah, I mean, it's very important. 461 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,080 The other thing that's been a real revelation and we can get 462 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:45,360 back to iron later too, is in the myth there, it's copper 463 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,200 because it goes with this this iron myth. 464 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,040 So I, I notice a lot of people that are low energy, so probably 465 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,960 not you, but just thought everyone could benefit from 466 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,600 having some copper. And one reason why we're drawn 467 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,880 to eat dark chocolate is because, well, maybe because 468 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,120 there's some sugar in there too, but everyone knows magnesium, I 469 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,720 would think if they're listening to this show, but also copper. 470 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,640 And now the problem with with chocolate, unfortunately, and 471 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,640 I'm definitely a chocolate lover, is that you have plenty 472 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,600 of heavy metals of different types in there, Lead, arsenic, 473 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,000 you know, cadmium especially. And these are also things that 474 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240 we look at in the hair test, by the way, again, if you haven't 475 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,600 heard one of our previous shows together. 476 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,120 So yeah, that's that's fascinating. 477 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:39,040 Now, the cool thing is that copper balances iron. 478 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:47,120 And amongst this myth of of iron being low for so many people, 479 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,600 there's this other issue with COVID. 480 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,400 So what COVID did, the way it acted on the body. 481 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,920 And this is true whether you got the shot or if you got, you just 482 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,680 didn't get the shot and you got infected. 483 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,280 And, you know, I, I didn't, I because I, I just kind of knew 484 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,360 it was, it was most likely, you know, a hoax from the early 485 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,640 beginning because I had testing ready in like 2 weeks. 486 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,520 And it's like, well, we run a testing company in part along 487 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,240 with this nutrition company. And it you, you know, it takes 488 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,680 years to figure out testing for things. 489 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,920 So, yeah, so that was that was a different topic, but the. 490 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,320 That's a whole podcast in itself right there. 491 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,560 That is that is for sure. But you know, just so people 492 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,880 know I said it then. So, you know, it's just like 493 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,000 good to see that that it tracks some things you wish you were 494 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,880 wrong about. But with copper and iron, the 495 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,720 way that that virus worked, and this is important because this 496 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,240 is how also how to protect yourself. 497 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,040 People were supplementing a lot of zinc, which zinc is 498 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,240 antiviral. Unfortunately, zinc pushes out 499 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,920 copper and that is a ratio we look at, as you know in the hair 500 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,880 test we look at zinc to copper, which is actually a balance of 501 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,120 those two elements, control progesterone and testosterone, 502 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,240 the case of zinc and then estrogen, the case of copper. 503 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,560 So you know, you obviously you want the right amounts of those 504 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,360 for you know, men and women. And then we also have iron to 505 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,440 copper and that's another ratio we look at in the hair test and 506 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,480 we look at about 63 elements, like I said, you know, 59 of 507 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920 them. We know, you know, significant 508 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,520 part in building the body, probably focus on about 15 and 509 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,280 then also some heavy metals. And then we look at key ratios. 510 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,280 So because again, only six do the majority in terms of making 511 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,920 up the body. But with iron, the, the crazy 512 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,040 thing is, is I'm sure if you know, if you, if we went to the, 513 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:58,040 the doctor, we might have, you know, well, maybe not us, but 514 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,280 someone goes to the doctor and they, they have low, they have 515 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,440 low iron, right? And they, you can measure that a 516 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,880 few different ways in blood. And here's the thing, the, 517 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,000 there's a recycling system of iron that almost no one knows 518 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,080 about. And do you know how much iron it 519 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,640 recycles in terms of percentage that you take in? 520 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,400 So let's say you eat 100 milligrams of iron in the course 521 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,480 of a week. It literally, it literally 522 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:34,120 recycles 96% of that. So you see people that are that, 523 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,520 that have gone carnivore for a long time. 524 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520 They're, you know, hey, I'm a fan of eating meat too. 525 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,640 But when you, the soil is is so depleted now of copper, you can 526 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,200 end up in a lot with a huge amount of iron and iron in terms 527 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120 of personality, iron leads to anger. 528 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,960 The overload of iron leads to anger. 529 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,760 And they've known this for so long. 530 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,000 So, you know, can people buffer that? 531 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,440 Can they, you know, take a pause? 532 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,160 Yes. But will you be more easily 533 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,320 agitated even if you don't say anything to anyone? 534 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480 Yes. So a less enjoyable internal 535 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480 environment than life experience really, which I'm always trying 536 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,920 to optimize for. I think we worked. 537 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,760 All right, So, you know, so that's a thought right there. 538 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,360 So one, you can be giving blood to acknowledging that, well, 539 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,760 you're probably low in copper if you're eating, if for no other 540 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,600 reason that you're eating a ton of red meat. 541 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,800 Yeah, I know a lot of people are on on this show and this and 542 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,160 this audience. Yeah, we're all over the 543 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,840 spectrum. I'm sure there's people that are 544 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,520 vegan. There are people that are, you 545 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,520 know, carnivore, everything between. 546 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,880 This is not a conversation about diets really. 547 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,840 It's just about elements, which this is part of the reason why I 548 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,040 believe that diet variation has to happen and that all diets 549 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,880 eventually fail us is because if we're not testing, we're 550 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,120 guessing, which is something I've. 551 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,320 I've thought about for a long time. 552 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,200 And we trademarked that test on gas and upgrade formulas because 553 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,600 it's like it's key. Yeah, we sell amazing 554 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,920 supplements. I think anyone who would say 555 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,360 that's tried it, but it's, it's really about knowing where 556 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,720 you're at first and then knowing, you know, because some 557 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160 people can be as fastidious as you and really figure it out. 558 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,800 But even then it takes time versus like, hey, here are my 559 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,320 numbers. Here's how it fits in with other 560 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,480 things. So with iron, if you're 561 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,160 recycling a question for, you know, the entire audience, if 562 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,920 you're recycling 96% of the iron you take in through this, this 563 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,200 system in the body that you can, you know, you can look up iron 564 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,920 recycling system in the body. Would it be likely, even if 565 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,080 someone is a menstruating woman, you know, and they're, you know, 566 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,280 assuming they're they're eating some red meat, would it be 567 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,880 likely that they're going to be low? 568 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,080 Like they're, it's, I mean, how much blood is a woman actually 569 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,520 losing her period most, most times, most often on average. 570 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080 And even then, you know, a few days a month. 571 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,520 So you know, when you think about it, it's really unlikely 572 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,280 being that your body is always recycled so much iron. 573 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,360 No, why does it? Well, it does because it's the 574 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,320 only element that carries oxygen. 575 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,520 And you know, how do you really know your numbers if you're 576 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,320 looking at your blood? Because again, if you guys 577 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,280 haven't heard one of our previous shows, you could check 578 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,080 that one out too to search our names or But the when you're 579 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,920 looking at your results and it's just blood results, what you're 580 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,000 actually seeing is, is you at your best and the body's making 581 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,280 you at your best because in your blood, because it knows that it 582 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,880 has to keep the blood just about perfect. 583 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,000 Otherwise the organs start to shut down if that pH is off too 584 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,920 much. So it actually will pull from 585 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,520 your tissues, which are kind of like your savings account to put 586 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,320 into the checking account. And if it does that long enough, 587 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,920 it'll pull from even your bone marrow, unfortunately. 588 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,440 And that's how literally every bone disease gets created to 589 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120 some extent, to really to the largest extent, if not entirely 590 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,600 is, is literally nutrient deficiency, especially primarily 591 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,679 mineral deficiency. Things like not calcium you 592 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,199 pretty much everyone has too much calcium, but magnesium and 593 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,000 boron primarily. Yeah, I mean, when Crystal, when 594 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,440 we knew that we were trying to get pregnant, like Crystal went 595 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,280 through the whole battery of tests, she got the hair test 596 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,520 done and she was using your mineral supplements to make sure 597 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,520 everything was in check prior to the pregnancy. 598 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,920 So that as she was forming another being, there was no risk 599 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,199 of being deficient in any minerals, any elements. 600 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,360 And I mean the pregnancy went super smooth in all regards 601 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,680 there. So I think that is, that is key 602 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,320 'cause I mean, we, we know people that got pregnant at the 603 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,840 same time. And when you're, when you're in 604 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,320 that state and your body is just, you know, demand for 605 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,680 nutrition is elevated to a whole another degree. 606 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,240 Like we knew so many people that were just deteriorating their, 607 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,560 their, their bone health was going downhill crazy losing a 608 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,720 ton of lean tissue, just not good at all. 609 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,360 You can kind of hedge against that by making sure your 610 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,440 minerals are in check, which is a relatively easy thing to do. 611 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,560 If you just put in the legwork. I mean that that's going to save 612 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,720 so much, so much heartache. Yeah, we, we, I love that 613 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,200 testimonial. It's absolutely incredible. 614 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,720 Yeah, my fiance and I are, are looking at that, doing that 615 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,680 later, you know, in a couple of years. 616 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,560 But the I, I, I love that, you know, in terms of women also 617 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,040 having postpartum depression, totally preventable when your 618 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,680 elements are there, especially things like magnesium and 619 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560 lithium and sodium. When you have those in the right 620 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,440 amounts, like the body's also gonna have a easier time with 621 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680 delivery. Sure. 622 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,280 She had a pretty smooth delivery in terms of like, she wasn't too 623 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,880 long. Like what was her delivery time? 624 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,200 Well, ours was a little bit, our delivery was a little bit of a, 625 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,520 a chaos. The pregnancy went super smooth, 626 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:21,720 but delivery was not smooth. Totally unrelated to, you know, 627 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,080 nutrition, but he Rigel, our son was in. 628 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,600 I'm gonna, I'm gonna butcher it. But he was in face presentation. 629 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,120 I forget the rotation, but it was one that you had to have an 630 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,680 emergency C-section. We were like, we were gonna try 631 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,360 to go the natural route and do a home birth, but that all got 632 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,040 derailed due to his presentation there at birth. 633 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,320 Yeah, that was no good. And how? 634 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,400 How old is he now? He's almost two. 635 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,880 He's about to turn 2 next month. That's very cool. 636 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,000 So one thing that that I also always tell people is iodine for 637 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,680 IQ. And that's that's key all 638 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,080 through. I mean, we have people putting 639 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,320 in baby bottles, mothers taking it and then it's coming out in 640 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,920 the breast milk. But if the mom has a deficiency, 641 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,040 like you're saying, then the child's going to have that 642 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,640 deficiency. Or if the mom has way too much, 643 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,960 you know, could be iron, way too much copper, way too much heavy 644 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,240 metals, you know, whatever it is, you know, even good things, 645 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,800 way too much calcium can also cause a lot of problems, 646 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,880 especially for the mother. But also, you know, these, these 647 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,120 things get passed on. It's just, you know, it's, it's 648 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,320 all, like you said, reversible, fixable and really creative, a 649 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,560 pretty cool process for people. So, you know, with, with iron, 650 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,240 just to cap off a little more than that, it, it's, you know, 651 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,400 the, the reason why we get fooled by that is because the 652 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,840 body can store up to 10 times more iron in our tissues. 653 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,920 So then we, when we look at, you know, this woman's, especially 654 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,880 women, but also men, and they're, they're low in their 655 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,360 blood. It's easy for a doctor to tell a 656 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:09,920 woman that's having a cycle and menstruating often that, oh, 657 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,640 hey, you're low because of that. And I mean, it's, it just goes, 658 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,480 oh, OK, well, that's makes sense. 659 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,720 And it, you know, it does, except it's not accurate. 660 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,120 It's what's often happening is if you're low in the blood, the 661 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,600 body's actually artificially keeping it low and storing it 662 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,360 because it's, it's literally pushing it into tissue and then 663 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,480 it's temporarily low. So you know, that said, you 664 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,080 still want to test. You don't want to guess, but you 665 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,640 can do a full blood panel on iron and then also compare it 666 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,160 with a hair analysis and look at iron. 667 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,240 And then also look at iron to copper ratio, zinc to copper 668 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,600 ratio and all the other ratios that we talked about including 669 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,120 like thyroid ratio, which is, you know, calcium to potassium, 670 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,080 adrenal ratios, there's yeah, we look, we see a lot there because 671 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,000 again, elements make the body, right. 672 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,720 Yeah, totally. Can you kind of compare the, 673 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,640 the, the blood test that people are probably gonna be getting on 674 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,680 average versus that of a hair analysis test to kind of walk us 675 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,720 through, walk us through the pros and cons of each? 676 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,240 I mean, I would say what I've said so far mainly covers it. 677 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,240 Think if there's anything else. I mean, you can look at things 678 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:28,520 like TIBC total iron binding capacity, you know, put it this 679 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,160 way, if you're high in iron on your hair test, you could just 680 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,040 skip to all right, oh, I need to go donate blood, which we 681 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,640 probably all need to anyway. The thing I was going to say 682 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,680 with COVID with iron is that and you know, and also your other 683 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,320 normal iron markers like ferritin and yeah. 684 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,520 So the the thing that with COVID, the the way this this was 685 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,280 from a a study published in Nature. 686 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,040 Nature.com is one of the most legitimate resources out there 687 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:12,440 for actual hard science. And they showed that at least 33 688 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,600 point something percent of deaths over 30, you know, over a 689 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,520 third came from high iron like that they could directly detect. 690 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,280 And that led to, you know, heart related events. 691 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,360 And interestingly enough, I mean, you know, my, my dad lives 692 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,640 in a different state and, you know, he's tried to do his best, 693 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,640 but he, you know, just kind of blindly listened to the news and 694 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,360 got a vaccine a long time ago before we ever talked and, you 695 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,960 know, didn't get anymore. But he, he had a heart attack 696 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,280 and, and I'd been telling him, hey, go give blood. 697 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,520 I just kept having this intuition go give blood, go give 698 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,000 blood even before I knew some of what I just told you. 699 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,080 And yeah, yeah, we looked at his blood and they tried to put him 700 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,480 on statins and you know, the all sorts of things, right? 701 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,480 And that's, that's another no, no, statins are less than 50% 702 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,280 effective, according to a Ted talk that was like really well 703 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,240 reviewed. I would say just do, you know, 704 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,640 do your own research. Of course, it's not medical 705 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,960 advice, but you know, it's, it's really important to, to 706 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,160 understand that. I think that's it's one of the 707 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,360 hardest things to get off of after you've been on it for a 708 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,360 bit. Totally. 709 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,080 So in, in regards to the iron, I feel like there's this massive 710 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,120 population in the, in the carnivore space right now that 711 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,840 is all about their, their liver consumption. 712 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,160 And I like liver too. Like I'm, I'm, I'm not anti 713 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,560 liver by any means. I, I enjoy beef liver, chicken 714 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,080 liver, all kinds of liver. But if you're consuming liver on 715 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,120 a daily basis and you're not giving blood, I would imagine 716 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,040 that your iron levels are through the roof. 717 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,720 I would imagine, yeah, because yes, liver does have copper. 718 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,320 It's one of the better sources of copper, at least 719 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,040 historically, right. And that's completely dependent 720 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,960 on the what on the soil and the soil around the world has has 721 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,440 just had a lot of copper out of it. 722 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,080 One thing I didn't mention on the COVID vaccine, the way it 723 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,480 worked with both the COVID vaccine and the virus is that 724 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,920 it's hijacking the metabolism. It doesn't have a metabolism. 725 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,960 The virus doesn't, but it jacks, you know, whenever you raise 726 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,200 iron, you push out copper, you become more susceptible to 727 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,560 viruses, first of all. So that's one one way. 728 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,800 But then it also gobbles up the copper in the cells because it 729 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,200 doesn't have a metabolism it uses, it hijacks the metabolism 730 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,400 cells. And then in that process, this 731 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,520 is all from the Nature article, by the way, that, you know, in 732 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,080 that process, you're left with so little copper in the body, 733 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,560 you're just regulated sort of like what you're talking about 734 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,960 in this case where, you know, someone's eating a ton of liver 735 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,320 and their iron's through the roof. 736 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,280 That iron actually, you know, it's little metal fragments. 737 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,440 If that's tumbling through your, your arteries, it causes Nicks, 738 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,080 which cause what inflammation? That inflammation causes the 739 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,960 body to what add cholesterol. Cholesterol's a protection 740 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,760 mechanism. And if it's short term, if it 741 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,040 weren't in inflammation all the time, which ultimately gets 742 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,280 prevented by magnesium. And that's a different flow 743 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,480 chart and I could talk about that, but you, you want to 744 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,000 prevent it from multiple standpoints. 745 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,800 Obviously, when when you're having those Nicks, you get 746 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,160 inflammation, you get cholesterol build up, you get, 747 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,200 you get fibrin on top of that, which is like a little net that 748 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,560 keeps cholesterol in place. And then there's a hardening of 749 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,320 the arteries that happen too. And you get plenty of calcium 750 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,600 build up that way if you have excess calcium, which is 751 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,400 ultimately what what it, you know, my mom passed of too. 752 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,400 And so mineral imbalance ultimately she had heel spurs, 753 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,920 she had bone spurs, you know, stiff joints and was otherwise 754 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,400 like, you know, really healthy. And then, you know, drugs, 755 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,960 medication and, you know, she was gone. 756 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,800 So we were able to find in her case that, you know what was 757 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,640 wrong, just the supplements weren't absorbing to fix those 758 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,960 deficiencies and to correct those imbalances. 759 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,960 When you have a extreme amount of calcium, calcium's up here at 760 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,360 like 600 and needs to be at like yeah, 75. 761 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,160 So, you know, you start balancing with the things like 762 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,280 magnesium and potassium and you know, that's where you want to 763 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,400 have a consultation with someone that knows what they're doing. 764 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,560 But the, and we, you know, we offer that too. 765 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,080 But the, the thing with, with iron, it's so interesting 766 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,120 because you know, yes, on one hand, the body needs it, but 767 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,440 it's also literally killing us all the time if we, if it gets 768 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,200 out of hand. So it's something to think about 769 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,600 and be on top of because it also affects your mood. 770 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,880 Like we talked about too much iron is anger. 771 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,520 And, and I've, I've seen that in friends of like even carnivore 772 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,920 for 70 days straight and they've been really mellow before and 773 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,520 then now they're like pretty on edge, pretty aggressive. 774 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,200 You know, I can, it seems like their blood pressure's up like 775 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,920 not in a good way. That's. 776 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,080 Interesting, how often would you recommend somebody do this hair 777 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,560 analysis test to kind of see how things are changing over time? 778 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,320 Yeah. My, my thought from everything 779 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,640 we've we've learned from the labs we've worked with is that 780 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,440 three months is the best window. If someone's a extreme athlete, 781 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,480 they could do even two months, but three months is enough. 782 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,480 And, you know, yeah, we offer subscription options and I'll 783 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,680 think all sorts of things like that to make it easy and 784 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,920 affordable. Yeah. 785 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,480 It's just, I mean, it ships to your house. 786 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,560 It doesn't get much easier than that. 787 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,040 And you don't have to get blood for people that, you know, some 788 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,560 of us don't mind that. Some of us are definitely afraid 789 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,120 of that. That's OK. 790 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,440 I need to. I need to do, I need to send my 791 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,640 hair sample in and, and get that because I'm curious to see what 792 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,640 kind of impact the prep had on things. 793 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,840 You know, if I'm depleted in any, any minerals, any elements, 794 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,600 what I need to do to change my supplementation accordingly to 795 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,880 kind of make up for that void and just get things dialed in 796 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,320 Because I can absolutely feel a difference if my electrolytes 797 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,760 and just overall mineral levels are out of whack. 798 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,680 And I would imagine that putting nobody through the prep is 799 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,120 probably not the most conducive thing to getting those dialed in 800 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,240 optimally. Yeah. 801 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,280 So one, one last stop for you on the energy and the electrolytes. 802 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,160 So there's the there's the really interesting flow chart 803 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,600 that that I discovered from some research and that's that. 804 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,680 And I've always known this, but it's interesting to put it in 805 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,880 these exact terms. So when you have magnesium loss 806 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,200 or low levels of magnesium, which was, you know, my, my 807 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,040 problem in my 20s because I've been a wrestler for 10 years and 808 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,120 did other sports too. But you know, just like you with 809 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,160 bodybuilding had to make weight and then go, you know, go 810 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,200 through extreme exertion, wrestle sometimes five matches 811 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:21,480 in a day in a two week, a 2 day tournament over a weekend, all 812 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,160 at like, you know, low calories. And you know, you barely even 813 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,920 have time to eat between matches. 814 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,000 And then you have a match coming up soon so you can eat and then 815 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,480 it's time to go to bed. You don't want to eat too late. 816 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,400 You won't sleep as well. You know, all these different 817 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,160 things and food deserts, you know, it's really self induced 818 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,680 hypothyroidism if you're not careful. 819 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,560 And we didn't know nearly as much back then, late 90s, early 820 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,600 thousands. And you know what we're talking 821 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,320 about now. So yeah, it's doable if you have 822 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,680 the, you know, the right plan. But so I, I came into, you know, 823 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,240 college and, you know, I started really working on my health 824 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,040 probably around 20, just pure health. 825 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,080 I had all these deficiencies, one of which was magnesium. 826 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,000 When you have magnesium loss, the flow chart is magnesium loss 827 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,480 leads to all other electrolyte loss. 828 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,760 And then when you have that, you have energy loss. 829 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,480 So that's really what you're speaking to and feeling there. 830 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,600 And then when you have energy loss, you actually get to cell 831 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,040 death. Cell death leads to 832 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,960 inflammation. So that clearing the body goes, 833 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,240 oh, we need to clear those dead cells, which is a good response 834 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,400 ultimately. And that that's prone, you know, 835 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,640 it's inflammatory. And then, you know, 836 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,960 inflammation, of course, is the the root cause of nearly all 837 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,800 disease. I would say probably all disease 838 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,960 to some extent at least. So yeah, yeah. 839 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,280 So it's it's key. It makes no. 840 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,320 Sense man there there are some people that have taken a very 841 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,720 hard nosed stance on not supplementing with anything 842 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,480 because they just wanted to simply get all their nutrition 843 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,400 from their food and have the the most optimal diet they possibly 844 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,960 can, which I can totally appreciate and respect that 845 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,600 mindset. I think however, because of the 846 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,560 soil, like you've alluded to in the in the earlier parts of this 847 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,920 conversation, even if you were eating an optimally formulated 848 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,800 ketogenic diet or whatever that that may be by default at this 849 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,600 day and age in our society, the animals like due to the soil 850 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,440 depletion over time, over generations, it would be 851 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,280 impossible to get that necessary level of minerals from the meat 852 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,360 exclusively because they simply aren't getting it from the soil, 853 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,400 correct. Right. 854 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,960 Yeah, that's true for animals, for plants, no matter what diet 855 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,600 you're eating. And even if you were eating a 856 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,000 diet and let's say, yeah, that was really good. 857 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,640 And let's say you look, you're still going to have imbalances. 858 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,640 So let's say you need to bring your magnesium up and you don't 859 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,480 want to supplement. And you read you're like, all 860 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,240 right, well, almonds are high in magnesium. 861 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,560 And you just start munching away on almonds. 862 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,720 And you're meanwhile your calcium and magnesium levels, 863 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,200 which is pretty important in the body in terms of blood sugar 864 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,840 balance, actually. And well, yeah, so you do that. 865 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,240 It turns out that, well, yeah, they're high in magnesium, these 866 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,480 almonds, but they're also, they also have six times more calcium 867 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,720 than they have magnesium. So it's really hard to be 868 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,720 precise with food to fix deficiencies. 869 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,160 Part of the reason why I say every diet fails eventually if 870 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,840 we're not testing, if we're not making adjustments, right? 871 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,200 And I mean, it's just, it's kind of like being in a ship at sea 872 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,720 and you turn the wheel a little bit and then pretty soon you've 873 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,160 gone. And if you don't turn it back 874 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,600 the other way, no matter where you're going, you go in a 875 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,560 complete circle, right? So over time, right, if you just 876 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,600 turn a little bit to correct course and then you don't 877 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,320 correct course again, it's a circle eventually. 878 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,600 So, so we want to avoid that. And then we avoid that simply by 879 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,880 doing as regular testing as you can. 880 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,560 We recommend three months, do whatever you can I would say. 881 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,880 And you know, some is going to be better than none, but that's 882 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,520 that's yeah, I mean, it's, it's a key, key understanding. 883 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,160 No, it makes total sense, man. Talking about some of these 884 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,680 clinical trials you've been having underway. 885 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,200 I'm keen to learn more about that. 886 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,160 Yeah. So we have a fertility clinical 887 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:32,360 trial that is wrapping up right now and that's on something 888 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,600 called upgraded T as in Tom and that that is like T as in 889 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,280 testosterone. And that's really something I've 890 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,520 wanted to create a long for a long time that just for myself 891 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,360 even, you know, being in being 37 this year. 892 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,600 So that's something that women can take that that men can take. 893 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,760 A lot of people don't know this, but a healthy woman should have 894 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,960 at least 10 times more, but up to 30 or more times testosterone 895 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,680 than estrogen if she's healthy. And that's going to give her a 896 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,000 lot better recovery, ability to build muscle, obviously sex 897 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,720 drive, but also like mental function, resilience, stamina, 898 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,400 things like that, right? And obviously the same for men. 899 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,720 So more hormonally, obviously, despite the cycle part, we're 900 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,680 still closer, especially the rest of the month, men and 901 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,360 women, than we think, than we acknowledge really, because we 902 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,680 both have more testosterone than nitrogen and most women as well 903 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,360 as men by 25 or so, again, because of soil. 904 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,240 But also because, and I was going to say this earlier too, 905 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,600 to your point about, you know, do we need a supplement? 906 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:50,240 The world is, it's a real #1000 times more toxic than any other 907 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:55,040 point in recorded history. And I can tell you as a former 908 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,840 chemical engineer, there's a universal sheet where they 909 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,200 published chemicals that are new that are produced, and then 910 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,120 we're producing about 20 new chemicals a day. 911 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:11,600 So we're looking at 600 new chemicals a month roughly that 912 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,680 your body has to deal with and protect itself against. 913 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,480 And if it can detox and make energy, IE if it has all the 914 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,160 elements it needs, it can do those things, then you're going 915 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,200 to have a lot better ability to defend against toxins. 916 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,560 So yeah, key stuff. So upgraded tea is really good 917 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:37,600 at well, for, for women and men increasing testosterone. 918 00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,080 We've just seen that in, in the, the early results of the trial. 919 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,000 We're still waiting on the completion of that. 920 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,840 But I wanted to do something, you know, around fertility. 921 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,840 And yeah, turns out a lot of people are having problems with 922 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,160 that. So our whole process helps with 923 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,880 that is that, you know, if you're more vital, just like you 924 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,400 and your, your wife were, then you're, it's going to be easier 925 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,720 to get to get pregnant, to stay pregnant, which is a huge 926 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:09,080 emotional thing to go through if someone's ever lost a child and 927 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,400 then, you know, have a healthy child after, right. 928 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,120 So, yeah, they're really key. And then so we, we did the test 929 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,080 on testosterone and then on the male side, both sperm count and 930 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,480 motility of the sperm. So yeah, really interesting 931 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,880 stuff there. And then upgraded magnesium. 932 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,120 We did a clinical trial there taking four capsules a night. 933 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,120 This was placebo-controlled as well. 934 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,440 We're completely excluded from these trials except for 935 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,800 providing supplements. Everything's blinded. 936 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,400 Even the doctors don't know what they're giving the, you know, 937 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,920 patients, so to speak, don't know what they're getting. 938 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,320 And then there's a washout period. 939 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560 And then they, they do say the placebo first. 940 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,280 Now they're doing, you know, in this case, upgraded magnesium. 941 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,840 And again, the form doesn't matter unlike you know, other 942 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,440 supplements, it's really about the delivery system. 943 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,720 It's kind of like saying, well, instead of talking about which 944 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,200 car we want to take on a long road trip, we're going to take a 945 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,320 plane and we're going to get in to sell a lot higher absorption 946 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,680 rate like you're talking about earlier. 947 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,080 And that make it really makes all the difference. 948 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,800 So what we did is we focused for upgrade magnesium on sleep. 949 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,040 And we did that because people were sending us our their 950 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,000 ordering scores, their sleep tracker scores of any sort 951 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,400 without us even asking and going like, wow, this is amazing. 952 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,560 You know, and we literally saw people go from things like 15 953 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,600 minutes of deep sleep and a lot of R.E.M. 954 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,560 To in five nights, like my friend Natalie, Jill went from 955 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,680 16 minutes to an hour and 51 minutes and five nights with 956 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,280 four capsules of magnesium at night, just literally needed the 957 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,400 raw material to make melatonin so she could sleep deeply. 958 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,160 And then, you know, she started to age a lot more slowly. 959 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,480 She was already really fit, really beautiful. 960 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,280 This was this just helped amplify that like, hey, now 961 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,400 you're not aging faster than you should. 962 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,360 You know, now you're also like you're more creative. 963 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,440 You're not. I mean, it's hard to really 964 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,000 focus and it really impossible to do deep work when you're when 965 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,560 you got no deep sleep. So 100. 966 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,840 Percent, ma'am. So the, the trial, the trial 967 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:30,240 showed up to the high point in the trial was a 250% increase in 968 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,720 deep sleep. So going from like an hour to 2 969 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:41,600 1/2 hours and then REM sleep, the high was 160%, which is 970 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,960 really, you know, frankly life changing because it also just 971 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,720 like in Natalie's case outside of the trial, you know, the time 972 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,200 in bed drops. So the time you actually have to 973 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,280 spend in bed or, or asleep and unconscious goes down too. 974 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,720 So you get more of your life back. 975 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,200 For her she was literally saving 3.7 hours a night. 976 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,440 And then because she was otherwise healthy, she was 977 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,280 missing this one piece. And then so we calculated over 978 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,080 the next year, she would say 57 days of not being asleep, which 979 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,800 added up to over three years of her life back. 980 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,760 She got by the time she turned, she's 50 by the time she turned 981 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,280 70 and over six years by the time she turned 90, literally of 982 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,840 her life back. So and she was taking other 983 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,240 magnesium supplements. I mean, she takes a lot of 984 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,440 supplements, including magnesium. 985 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,000 So, yeah, those are, we just wanted to prove that for people 986 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,200 because we've also see seen people get off sleep medication 987 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,920 and anxiety medication with that product, blood sugar stuff too 988 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,640 as well. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's, 989 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,760 it's great to see people. I mean, that's my favorite part 990 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,920 of what we do is, is seeing the change and the sort of solutions 991 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,840 that I needed, my mom needed, other people I knew needed, that 992 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,560 just didn't really exist back then. 993 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920 No 100. Percent, man. 994 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,880 I mean changing. Changing lives for sure. 995 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,360 When it comes. To the the supplement side of 996 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,240 things, like how did you all approach the like the like third 997 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,520 party testing just from like an athlete's standpoint, trying to 998 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,680 ensure that they're not gonna pop for anything on a banned 999 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,000 substance list. Like do you have any type of 1000 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,440 third party testing that y'all send everything through? 1001 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,360 Yeah, we, we do. We, we actually third party test 1002 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,400 every single batch. And then when we're looking at 1003 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,080 minerals, which you're not required to by the, by the way, 1004 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,480 like at all, but we do because heck, I, I take literally all my 1005 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,560 product, not all, but many of my products literally every day. 1006 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,720 And yeah, because you, I mean, you feel different if, if you 1007 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,000 don't, it's doesn't mean you have to take as many, but 1008 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,920 there's some that you're just like, well, I know I sleep a lot 1009 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000 better when I have magnesium at night. 1010 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,680 And yeah, I might also take some tryptophan, I might take some 1011 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,320 theanine or whatever it is, right. 1012 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,440 So, so yeah, there's, there's that on the testing side also 1013 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,960 for for upgraded tea, which probably the product in 1014 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,000 question, because everything else we do is minerals and you 1015 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,280 know, different blends and forms or different blends and single 1016 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,280 products too, like upgraded potassium with upgraded tea. 1017 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,560 We're actually using part of the reason why that product is 1018 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,280 expensive to make is and why it's so we wanted to do the 1019 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,480 clinical trial and fertility for it is because it's so nutrient 1020 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,680 rich and it's using the trademark forms of things like 1021 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,720 Tonkat, you know, instead of Tonkat Ali, just regular long 1022 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,320 Jack regular, we're using the clinically studied version and 1023 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,360 the right amount of that. And we're doing that across five 1024 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,280 different nutrients that are all just just, you know, nutrients 1025 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,480 from the earth. So yeah, I mean it. 1026 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,400 It's just if someone already has really high testosterone. 1027 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,360 It's probably not going to make it higher. 1028 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,920 So it's also it's but it's providing your body the 1029 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:17,320 nutrients to build testosterone and also, you know, reduce over 1030 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,800 excess estrogen and also improve nitric oxide. 1031 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,320 So I think you would absolutely love that. 1032 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,360 Yeah, you said it once. Third. 1033 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,200 Party tested as well, right? Yeah, third party tested too. 1034 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,800 Exactly. So every single batch and that, 1035 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,360 that product those, those manufacturers because they're 1036 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,560 trademarked that they test they're each product before they 1037 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,040 ship it too. And then we're combining those 1038 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,480 five ingredients and shipping that. 1039 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,000 By the way, we have a the only purified form of Sheila Jit. 1040 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,640 So a lot of people are and Sheila doing Sheila Jit because 1041 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,360 that alone will boost testosterone. 1042 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,120 But it's dirty often, it's full of heavy metals typically. 1043 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,120 So. So that's something you won't be 1044 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,200 mindful because the last thing you want to do is put heavy 1045 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,080 metals in your body. I mean, we have a binder product 1046 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,640 that has a bunch of different binding surfaces and we 1047 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,000 recommend that to a lot of people if they need a 1048 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,720 consultation. Yeah. 1049 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,640 So really, really cool stuff there. 1050 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,360 It's that that supplements awesome. 1051 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,160 I take it daily. So it is my fiance and she is so 1052 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,760 otherwise, you know, super healthy too. 1053 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,480 But we notice, you know, when we like when we're taking it 1054 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,080 because you notice you have more nitric oxide. 1055 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,160 So you have an endogenous production of at least 230% just 1056 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,640 from 1 ingredient. That was from a clinical trial 1057 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:51,280 they did just showing that over 90 days you're seeing that 230% 1058 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,120 boost, but then you're also amplifying it with four other 1059 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,680 ingredients. So, yeah, so you're a lot of 1060 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:03,440 people talk about pump also. Yeah, just arousal weight, you 1061 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,080 know, for men, erections easier to maintain and get erection. 1062 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,080 Maintain erection is what what we saw in the clinical trial 1063 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,160 because we did, you know, sperm count. 1064 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,360 We had people answer questionnaires, take before and 1065 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,800 after photos of weight and fat loss too. 1066 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,360 So it's also good for heart health. 1067 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,840 That's endothelial function improving. 1068 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,640 So the interior, yeah, of, of blood vessels. 1069 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,160 So I mean, it's really what we would hope for in a 1070 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,520 multivitamin. But a lot of multivitamins will 1071 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,800 have, you know, a lot of calcium, which you don't need, 1072 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,440 you know, iron a lot of things. So and then like poor forms. 1073 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,560 And it's a scattershot approach, right? 1074 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,160 So you're, if you're taking a multivitamin, I would suggest 1075 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,280 stopping and doing precise nutrition so that you're not 1076 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,840 paying to make your health worse because it's you're most likely 1077 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,800 keeping it where it is or holding it back. 1078 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,080 So. Yeah, no, 100% man makes total 1079 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,280 sense. And that that's a that upgraded 1080 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,200 T that's, that's a new part. I don't think I've seen that 1081 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,400 one. On your website before now. 1082 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:17,280 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can can send you some of that 1083 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,320 to try out. It's it's really great. 1084 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,840 Very cool, man. Well, I'm excited for all you 1085 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,680 got in the in the works, man. I mean, every time I talk to 1086 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,560 you, every time I meet with you at a conference, you've got 1087 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,920 something in the pipeline. You're always on the cutting 1088 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,600 edge of the research and you, you're just genuinely passionate 1089 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,040 about learning more, which is very evident in talking with 1090 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,280 you, which I really appreciate as well. 1091 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,760 And you're, you're, you're giving back to like last time we 1092 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,360 talked, I think we talked about. I forgot the name of. 1093 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,080 The charity. Charity. 1094 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,080 Is it Charity Water? Yeah. 1095 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,760 Charity Water so we donate to charity water too. 1096 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,520 My portion of every sale goes to them and I think that's amazing 1097 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,880 because you know, they solve the root cause problem just like we 1098 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,680 do, You know, for us it's identifying and solving mineral 1099 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,960 deficiency, which supports people really in all areas of 1100 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,680 their life, no matter what their goals are. 1101 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,800 And then when you give, when not just gifting someone like 1102 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,080 bottled water, but when you're drilling a well in a a poor 1103 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,160 community that where people literally don't have clean 1104 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:19,200 water, it's more important really than even housing, which 1105 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,120 they can usually figure out, you know, especially if they have 1106 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,120 water, they have enough time to figure it out. 1107 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,040 If they have water, they can start to grow some at least 1108 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,760 small crops. You know, they can start to have 1109 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,640 animals and and, you know, have water for the animals. 1110 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,120 But, you know, if you showed up and gave them a cell phone and a 1111 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,720 goat and they had no water and, you know, it doesn't really. 1112 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,240 Yeah. And you gave them a toilet. 1113 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,840 It's like none of it works really for very long. 1114 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,200 So to me it, it's one of the root cause. 1115 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,960 I mean, I'm glad we all have things that we're passionate 1116 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,440 about, but that's one of the ones. 1117 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,520 And then just mental health too, I think we're looking to, to 1118 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:03,360 work more and more with mental health outlets and yeah, because 1119 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,200 part of what we do, we have the tagline now mental health 1120 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,320 hygiene. So just helping people. 1121 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,600 We have something called upgraded mood as well. 1122 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,840 It has some lithium in it because we found that there's a 1123 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,880 study, really popular study on lithium and groundwater linked 1124 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,240 directly to suicide depression. So that the areas and they, they 1125 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,320 did it across the US, areas that have the lowest amount of 1126 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,160 lithium in their groundwater, like drinking water, for 1127 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,480 example, have the highest rates of both depression and suicide. 1128 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,000 And I mean, you don't need a lot of it. 1129 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,360 And at a super high dose, yeah, it's a it's considered a drug, 1130 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,600 but not having any of it is, is bad as well. 1131 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,800 So we combine that with a few other things and that's a that's 1132 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,800 a cool product as well for people that need it. 1133 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,480 I've heard, and this is not advice, but that, you know, you 1134 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,520 know, people have been able to slowly, you know, work with 1135 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,240 their doctor and get off of SSRIs with that. 1136 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,880 So that would be pretty good for sure if. 1137 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,600 That became. More prevalent for sure. 1138 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,640 Yeah, yeah. I love, man. 1139 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,720 I'm I'm always intrigued by what you're working. 1140 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,440 I'm always excited about what you've got cooking. 1141 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,280 What am I? What am I gonna see next? 1142 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,760 You gonna be any of the comrades this year? 1143 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:28,080 I was going to go speak in London at my friend Tim's event. 1144 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,240 You might know Tim Gray in London and he's a good friend, 1145 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,480 Always stays with me when he's here stateside. 1146 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,280 And yeah, I'm not going to make that this year. 1147 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,320 Really just focus on the other areas, you know, working with a 1148 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:48,640 lot of practitioners and and stuff, but as well and yeah, you 1149 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,520 know, kind of going other avenues. 1150 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,520 But certainly let me know. I'm sure we'll talk, but let me 1151 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:59,760 know how you like some of these things and then also what what 1152 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,720 events you're going to because you know, it's been been a while 1153 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:03,960 and would love to see you brother. 1154 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,240 Yeah, for sure, man. I'm going to hack your health 1155 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,840 later this summer for sure. I've got a few others, smaller 1156 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,000 venues that'll be going to. But yeah, I, I, I need to get 1157 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,160 back to Florida again anyway. So if you're there in Florida, I 1158 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,960 can, I can just swing by in person, man. 1159 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,840 Yeah, swing by in person. We've got some beach time. 1160 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,280 It's very easy being here on the beach and it's easy. 1161 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,600 I get plenty of vitamin D, so yeah, 100. 1162 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,080 Percent, man, you gotta get that. 1163 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,680 Well sweet Barton, where do people go to find out more about 1164 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,840 you and get some of the upgraded formulas supplementation? 1165 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,000 Yeah, we just head over to the website upgradedformulas.com. 1166 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,760 Yeah, you can follow the same thing on Instagram and upgrade 1167 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,640 Formulas me ask Barton. On Instagram. 1168 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,320 We have a YouTube channel, but I would say if you're going to 1169 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,440 pick one, just the website. And we have a quiz too, for 1170 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,400 people on the website. Just a free quiz that's about 18 1171 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,640 or 20 questions, and it just helps you identify, you know, 1172 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,600 what your likely deficiencies are. 1173 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,120 So you can get started. Then you can always do a hair 1174 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,640 test, you know, you know, whenever you're ready, whenever 1175 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,960 that is. So, yeah, it's another thought. 1176 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,920 So I would say upgrade formulas.com is probably the 1177 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,520 main place. Very cool. 1178 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:22,720 Well, I'll definitely get to that. 1179 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,640 Make it easy for people to find you, Barton. 1180 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,560 If there's everything I can do to help in any way man, you just 1181 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,760 let me know brother. Oh, thank you. 1182 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,920 Yeah. And if if you guys are listening 1183 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,880 and just as an incentive, so you try things on your first time, 1184 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:42,080 use code Barton 10 check out and you guys save 10% and just for 1185 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,680 listening to the show. And yeah, thank you for your 1186 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,399 time. I I really appreciate it. 1187 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,880 And Robert, thank you as always for having me on. 1188 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,920 It's great. You know, we would hang out all 1189 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,840 the time. I feel like if we're even in the 1190 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,439 same state. So no. 1191 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,319 My my. Pleasure, man. 1192 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:58,040 I remember the first time we met, I guess at like the first 1193 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,200 keto con, I was like super intrigued by what you were 1194 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:01,800 doing. And I've been using your stuff 1195 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,680 ever since, man. So it's, it's quality stuff. 1196 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,760 I can absolutely feel the difference when I'm using it. 1197 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,800 So you're, you're, you're doing the right thing, man. 1198 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,240 And I appreciate that it. It definitely speaks volumes. 1199 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:12,960 Yeah. Thank you brother. 1200 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:17,080 Well this is, it's about time for me to grab something to eat. 1201 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,880 But I do wish I had a keto brick, so I'll I'll ask Sandra 1202 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,000 to order something. I'll hook you up man. 1203 01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:24,439 Till next time brother, take care. 1204 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:25,920 OK, take care.