Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com
and today I've got special repeat guest and good friend
Barton Scott on the line. He is the man, the myth, the
legend behind upgraded formulas, which is one of my preferred
supplements that I use. I use that just daily throughout
my competition prep. I use it daily anyways, but it
is a great supplement for getting the electrolytes styled
in. We talk quite extensively about
proper electrolyte manipulation, making sure you're taking in the
right ratio of sodium to potassium.
We talk about iron and calcium. We talk about how a lot of
people are under the assumption that they are deficient in iron,
whereas in reality they may be taking in too much iron and need
to deplete those levels a little bit.
As we talked kind of just really in depth about proper mineral
loads, elemental loads, how to test for these different
minerals to figure out where you're deficient.
Testing and not guessing is key as we dive quite deep into all
of that. I've got no doubt that you'll
take something from this so that for the delay, sit back, relax,
enjoy the conversation with my good friend Barton.
Scott and we are live Barton.
Scott, how are you, brother? Hey, so great to be back on with
you. It is, man.
I feel like the last time we had you on a podcast, I mean, I
think it's been like two, maybe three years now, I think.
I think something like three, yeah.
Yeah, that's Wildman. That is wild.
Well, how, how is the world treating you?
We, we saw each other at you were at Ketocon last year,
right? Yeah, I guess it would have been
year before last now I was out of the country then.
But the yeah, things are, are really good.
I've got the just doing a lot of really impressive things with
the company things I'm, I'm, I've wanted to do for a long
time and like clinical trials and things like that.
And, and then like just constantly learning, you know,
continuing to learn. Even though we've made such
great strides and like really innovative, it's still just, you
know, it's the reason why I got into this, right is, is finding,
you know, what are the, the newest principles, techniques,
concepts, What are some of the old forgotten wisdom as well?
I love that stuff just as much. Well, I'm a huge.
Fan of all things upgraded formulas, man.
Like I, I, I was giving y'all some serious business throughout
my last competition prep because I've I'd figured out my
electrolytes got got it dialed into the tea and I was doing 1
teaspoon of your upgraded potassium with every 1000
milligrams of sodium I would consume.
And I was consuming 10 to 15,000 milligrams of sodium a day at
the time. So I was doing a whole bunch of
your upgraded potassium, but I had that stuff on, you know,
speed ship automated delivery because that was that was super,
super important for me at that time.
That's phenomenal. I I love that Yeah and yeah,
looking ripped as ever. Love it so, so good that that's
a great amount of sodium too. I, I know you know what you're
doing there and, and you're also, you know, doing hair tests
and doing other tests and to check in.
But yeah, I'd love to hear. I'd love to hear what what
you're, what you learn by doing that, what, what you learned in
order to do that and what results you saw.
Well, for me, whenever I'm in a prep and I'm I'm dying down, the
calories are dropping, the body fat's dropping like once I get
to about, I don't know, probably sub 2000 calories.
And once I get down below, you know, double digit body fat.
So I'm starting in like 7-8, nine percent body fat, my
craving for salt just intensifies.
And I've noticed that I just kind of lean into that.
So I'll consume, you know, ten 12,000 milligrams of sodium a
day sprinkled throughout the day.
And if I don't have my electrolytes perfectly in
equilibrium with the right ratio, I'll retain a ton of
extra fluid in my subcutaneous layer of skin.
But by kind of going about that protocol with, you know, one
teaspoon of your upgraded formulas, potassium with every
1000 milligrams of sodium, I would consume that pretty well
worked Florida State from a ratio standpoint.
I didn't really retain any excess fluid.
So anytime I didn't have my potassium I definitely noticed
the difference. Yeah, I, I love that it makes
sense, right? Because that sodium, potassium
pump that the cells have and yeah, yeah, that's, that's
really cool. I haven't done a hair test,
though. I have, I have, I've done one,
you know, way back when I actually got a hair test from
you, but I have not taken the sample yet to send back to.
I had hoped to do that before this podcast so we can go over
the results live on air, but I've been dragging my feet on
that and I have have dropped the ball, so to speak.
That's all right. Well, we can do another and then
go over things you've learned. And I I like doing that with
with people like you that are pushing the limits so much with
bodybuilding and, you know, just any, any sort of pushing the
limits. I reviewed Ben Greenfield's for
and Tara Garrison and a few other people and that we know.
And yeah, so that's, no, that's phenomenal.
The, you know, one of the things I've learned recently was around
iron and it this is, I feel like really important.
And we can talk about sodium too, and how, man, so many
people don't have enough sodium and then doctors don't really
understand this. So this is a couple things that
could save a couple lives, many I would say, and certainly
improve people's general quality of life.
So we can go into that if you want.
Yeah, man, for sure. I think there's a lot of
confusion around sodium for sure, but there's there's much
less talk around iron. So I'd love to peel the curtain
back on both of those and see kind of what, what you've
learned in the in the not too distant past here.
Mm hmm. Well, if we take sodium first,
you know, to to tell a story. We had someone sort of like an
aunt in the family and she'd worked for my dad wasn't
actually blood related, but was so close to the family.
It was, it was really painful. And then had someone that was
almost like a grandfather to me and the same thing happened
there. And what it was, is both these
people had low sodium levels even coming into the hospital.
And the what the doctors did is, you know, because they had
swelling, they looked at the swelling as, oh, well, that's
sodium. We got to, we have to cut salt
from the diet and they were already swelling, right.
So the the problem is, is like not only getting it wrong, but
being completely opposite and understanding of literally just
how the elements work in the body.
So, you know, definitely share this with someone.
You could absolutely save on someone's life and whoever is
going to be there helping you when you're in the hospital, you
know, whenever that is, hopefully a long time from now,
if you're helping someone else, they need to know this
information. So the what happens is, is let's
say someone's swelling just like they both were, then what they
often do in the hospital is they go, oh, well, let's cut sodium
completely out of the diet. Well, sodium is needed for a lot
of things, as you know, and it puts a person just even beyond
that emotionally. And something we see in the hair
test, a ratio of sodium to potassium, which is really the
most important ratio in the entire body in terms of physical
energy and emotional health. Like that drives everything
that's low enough, like someone's considered dead, even
if they have a pulse. Like it's just, it's, it really
drives quality of life and, and you can actually see personality
in this. And this is what I'm, I'm
writing a lot about in a book that'll come out later this
year. It's, it's this idea that, you
know, with this ratio, if we don't respect it, if we don't
understand it then and if we're not testing for it, we have no
idea, of course, that you know, but also if we're just doing a
blood draw, we're not getting accurate data.
We're getting serum, right, which is not what's making it
into the tissue. So and it and yes, of course,
it's also a snapshot, but it's worse than that.
It's really just not that accurate.
And you know, unless you're looking at hormones, but
hormones are downstream. And this is also just kind of
generally about hair testing, which we do, which was the big
eye opener for me. If you haven't heard any of the
podcasts Robert and I have done before this and I really opened
my eyes. It was something I was using to
save my mom's health. And the test didn't really work,
but we realized the supplements didn't.
And so then I went on this path as a chemical engineer of
developing supplements that did work that we could verify
worked. And now we've done some clinical
trials actually on on the magnesium to prove, you know,
sleep results and like massive results, which we could, we
could talk about later if you want.
But the yeah. So with sodium, imagine this is
you. And you, you have the
unfortunate nature to be in the hospital.
You're having a lot of fluid retention.
And they go, all right, take off, let's cut all sodium from
the diet. And the person only gets worse
and then worse and then worse. And you see this person after
person after person. You would think that at least,
and maybe some, some people have figured this out, but you'd
think that doing the opposite might be when people are
literally dying soon thereafter. Because I, I said I was like, if
we can't get them to get someone to change it in person, this
whole strategy and actually give them a sodium IB and
electrolytes, magnesium, potassium, etcetera, chloride,
then, well, you can set your watch to it.
I, I give it 72 hours at this stage and sure enough, they're
going like 60. It's really, it's really tough
because I'm sure at least at least several thousand, but
probably way more than that die each year just in the US from
this, from this just utter lack of understanding.
And it's, it's completely I, I mean, someone might die of
something else, but they don't die of that.
So simple. Yeah.
And it's it's. Unfortunate.
I mean, like on a in, in my wheelhouse in the bodybuilding
realm of things, you know, obviously not near the life and
death situation there. But I mean people get that wrong
all the time too with regards to sodium manipulations.
They'll cut sodium drastically and they'll try and like super
constant compensate and load sodium or low potassium to try
and you know, play that sodium potassium pump game.
But then their body correspondingly, you know,
hypercompensates, you know, via additional aldosterone excretion
and then fluid retention. And it's just like if you, if
you play that game incorrectly, you're going to look
significantly worse on stage. And if you never manipulated
anything and, and people just that there's the sodium
potassium equilibrium is a pretty profound physiological
effect. It's going to impact how you
feel, how you're able to contract your muscles in
training and on stage, how vascular you're going to look,
how much subcutaneous fluid you're going to be holding in
your skin. Like it totally can make or
break you on stage if you get it wrong, especially if you're
manipulating carbohydrates as well 'cause it's gonna cause
additional fluid retention. But like, from a hospital
setting, Yeah. I mean, this could be a life or
death situation. Right.
So and I'll just add one, one last thing.
So when you're looking at, you know, looking to help someone in
that position, the the thing you actually have the reason why
it's happening, right? We could just talk about that.
Why is it happening? What's happening?
Simply because the body views sodium as so precious,
especially when it's in a low amount that it's doing
everything it can to retain it. So it's, you know, that's the
whole idea. Now what was happening in both
their cases is they're having experiencing a lot of pain due
to the swelling where they had so much fluid with fluids from
engineering, you know, they always taught us, which took a
little while to understand that fluid, water or any liquid is
actually incompressible like you know it, which is, which is
interesting. So whenever it's in the body and
it's building up, if it's building up in your around your
joints, it's literally stretching your joints and your
tendons and your ligaments and literally like tearing you
apart. Fluid, water is that powerful.
So it's interesting. So what's happening then is that
people are then being administered pain medicine and
they're doing injections, they're giving pain meds and
then at some point like the body just gives up.
And it, I mean, because water like killed by water and killed
by a lack of salt, really killed by a lack of understanding,
however you want to think of it. So that's, that's huge.
And how can you test for that? I recommend, you know, doing a
hair test, like what we offer, you can find someone else, but
you need to have someone, not just anyone that's a health
professional of some sort, but someone that's trained in that.
So we offer that. Other people, I'm sure offer
that too. It's kind of hard to find,
frankly, but it's the best, I would say.
I mean, if you do it four times a year, it's, you know, maybe
$1000. That's the best money you can
spend in in actually knowing your numbers.
I looked at my methylation age actually too, Robert and I know
we haven't talked about this yet and you know, looking at Brian
Johnson and Ben Greenfield in a podcast a friend sent me their,
their methylation age, their rate of aging was like .71 point
6-7, both great, right? That's for that meaning for
every 100 years that passed their aging respectively .71 for
Ben, .67 for for Brian. I thought my number was really
good until I saw that. And I know Brian is in the top
1% or so and he's also spending 2 million a year myself, both
early 40s. So I'm in, you know, late 30s.
So that, I mean, that plays some role.
But I was at .62 and the main test I've done for the last 10
years since I've had the company is this hair analysis.
Because if you know the elements, everything is built
including hormones, right from elements.
And I know that's why you, you've been, you know, a big fan
of this for a long time, just like I've been a big fan of your
products for a long time. And it's it's easy to get away
from the quote UN quote basics by or to do the basics wrong or
to not absorb the basics. But when you get the basics
right, the building blocks of everything, it's like having a
incredibly well built foundation and sort of structure, overall
structure of a home. You know, it's like you you can
weather a lot of storms that way.
And if that's not there, but you have great interior decorating,
it doesn't really matter, unfortunately.
So that I would just, that's one just angle that I never hear
people talk about, which is just, you know, elements build
everything. And we, you know, the human
body, according to the Royal Society of Chemistry is built,
is made of 59 elements. It's actually probably a few
more, but six elements make up 99% of us and then everything
else is trace, right? Doesn't mean those aren't
incredibly important because they are, because they run
little snippets of code called enzymes or the they power
enzymes which run these, you know, blocks of code just like
in computer science and, you know, loading web pages and
things. And yeah, so that's this is.
I just find that really fascinating.
No, I totally, totally agree, man.
As far as the the ratio between sodium and potassium go as that
is one of the more important ones.
What I've always tried to subscribe to is kind of
targeting a 2 to one ratio of supplemental sodium to
potassium. So obviously there's some
potassium in like like certain types of red meat, for instance,
like pork loins pretty high in potassium.
But if I'm targeting a 2 to one ratio of supplemental sodium to
potassium, that tends to to be a pretty good sweet spot for me.
Is that a general, you know, threshold that most people are
gonna find benefit in? So that's a great question.
So on our hair test we look at 2.4 being the the ideal.
So if you wanted to aim for something round, you could say
2.5. Easy math, right?
So. 2.5 times as much sodium to 1:00 to.
Potassium, yeah, yeah. So if you're doing 1000
milligrams of potassium, you're doing 2500 milligrams of sodium,
Yeah. So that I mean to a certain
point, right. So you know, all the way up to
say 4 thousand, 4500 milligrams or so of of potassium, right.
So yeah, you could go all the way up to I see where you're
getting right there, right, because you've actually get
enough potassium like 4300 milligrams, you're doing that
times 2.5 in terms of that to your sodium at that ratio,
right, which is which is incredible that I mean the ideal
being 2.4. So yeah, I mean these are big
numbers. So yeah, as as extreme as say
12,015 thousand sounded. And granted, extreme exertion,
you know, excessive tates, extreme resources, right?
Totally. In the same way that if you're
going to fly around the world, you need a lot more fuel than if
you're just going, yeah, one state over or something.
Yeah, 100%. So, and, and one thing I I've
noticed in just not trying so many different electrolyte
blends over the years is that the nice thing about your liquid
nanopotassium specifically is that since it is nano sized, the
actual particle size is smaller than that the red blood cells.
So you have 100% absorption. Whereas with a lot of these
electrolyte salts for instance, you, you're not getting near the
absorption, you're gonna hit AGI threshold with it and you're
often times just gonna be excreting a lot of what you're
supplementing, which isn't really the case with what you're
offering. Yeah, thank you.
I'm so glad you've seen that. And that's, that's what I see
too. And that's true for our
magnesium too. A lot of people will ask, it's
like, well, what form is it? And I always tell people, you
know, with our supplements, it's unlike anything you've ever
heard of or used because I literally trained as a chemical
engineer. What we're able to do, what
we're trained on is to create industrial processes.
So an actual process, physical process that produces a
different end product. So every other manufacturer out
there is just creating products based on the end product that
they could get that they could buy somewhere.
And we're just we're changing the game by.
Just creating something different so you have a
different outcome. So the form really doesn't
matter. We take pure magnesium, I bind
it. We really create a plasma out of
all of our minerals and that allows us to change the particle
size using nanotechnology equipment and then ultimately
deliver a product to you that you, you don't have to do any
work to absorb. You just absorb it.
And it's just, it's in your red blood cells and also distributed
throughout the body. And you see things like if you
were to do like ARBC test for magnesium, you see that that
does bump up and bump up and bump up when you know when the
particle size is, if someone's watching this video, then it's,
but I'll just describe it. You know, if you're, if you, the
size of your red blood cell is the size of a golf ball and then
the size of the particles that you're trying to absorb from
those supplements is much larger, let's say 8 times larger
or the size of a basketball. Think of that.
So what we're doing is we're creating something the size of
like a needle, right? So 1000 times smaller.
That's about what we're doing. And it also has just the, it has
nature still intact, right? Still has the electron driving
force. So you're getting into the
cells. So all you have to remember if
that seems, you know, technical is bringing on listening is that
we're just making it a lot smaller.
So it absorbs a lot better. And that's the reason why you're
not getting as hydrated using something else.
So people will say about about great potassium that it quote.
It feels like electricity entering my body it especially
if they do it straight, which I don't recommend.
It's pretty salty. It's fine for like hard hardcore
people like us, but you know, it's also fine to just add it to
your water. Yeah, I'll do it straight if I'm
in a pinch, but sometimes I'll just add it to whatever
electrolyte drink I'm drinking that has the high sodium
content. But yeah, man, I, I, I love it.
And then when it comes to like just supplement, like
electrolyte supplements in general, I feel like they're
popping up everywhere, man. I think they're a dime a dozen
right now. There's so many of them.
And most of them are using like a citrate form of, you know,
like a magnesium or potassium. And that's more so used from
like a like that that's gonna cause a lot more fluid retention
inter intratestinally. So you're gonna have a lot more
GI, you know, adverse effects, I would think than some of the
other forms. But that's the cheapest form.
So I'm sure that's probably why most companies are using it.
Right, right, yeah. And I mean, ultimately we have
to put something on our label. So our, for example, our
magnesium will say, you know, nano magnesium chloride and what
I'm doing, it's not at all. So what's a completely different
product to say magnesium chloride that you would buy?
And that's, but we have to call it something, right?
And the problem with, you know, creating and, or inventing
something, you know, new from a product standpoint is that, you
know, you still have to follow old regulations on what to say.
So we're binding with, I'm binding it with chloride after
white chloride. Well, the body needs chloride,
you know, for stomach acid. Most people have, I mean, if
you're listening to this, you probably have low stomach acid.
Like congratulations, just because in today's world, it's
hard not to now, you know, Robert, you probably don't.
You're super on top of your health, but most people, even I
would say 95% of people have low stomach acid.
Unfortunately, in today's world in America, in part because of
the stress, in part because of a lot of other things.
And then you have other like just things that Jack up the the
pH, like H pylori. Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of issues there with upgraded charge.
That's one I really love and that actually has you know,
juice from limes, like actual lime peel and we do that.
I really like that because it instantly hydrates you as well
and it and it has some magnesium in it.
It has a little bit of zinc, which also helps with hydration,
has some trace minerals and has some potassium, has less
potassium obviously, but still has some, has quite a bit of
sodium too. And yeah, I mean, people just
love that one as as well for the same thing.
I had a a couple friends, one that qualified for Kona, the
World Iron Man Championship. And he was, I wouldn't recommend
this, but he was, Eric was eating magnesium capsules during
the race. It was 104° in Coeur d'Alene,
Idaho. And and everyone else was like
passing out with cramps and they had charge in his water upgraded
charge and that's a sample. Of that I think.
Is that the one that tastes like soup or sour but pretty tasty?
Yeah, exactly yeah straight from lime peel.
So yeah, if you do it directly in the mouth again, I I don't
recommend except for the most hardcore, you can just add it to
your water, you know, and it just, it's kind of flavor it
then yeah, you do like 4 droppers and like 10 oz You're
you're not really going to taste anything except a mild lime
flavor. Yeah and.
That's what he was using. He was using that and he was
using a great magnesium throughout the race and he
passed the number 2 and #10 guys in the world as he ran his 13th,
ran, swam, biked his 13th Iron Man, qualified for Kona.
Probably would have done really well.
Unfortunately, you know, got kicked in the face in the swim
and, you know, kind of messed up his day, almost broke his nose,
kind of swam a couple miles after that.
But I think he still managed to, you know, finish and and
everything, but which was a life goal for him.
And he had tried literally 12 other times and we had to dial
in his electrolytes, much like you just figured out for your
competition. So yeah, just really key stuff
because it it, you know, magnesium, we used to do think
it it like 300 things in the body.
It's like 1950s research. We now know it does over 3000
things in the body, including make energy in every cell that
has mitochondria, which is almost all.
So yeah, I mean, it's very important.
The other thing that's been a real revelation and we can get
back to iron later too, is in the myth there, it's copper
because it goes with this this iron myth.
So I, I notice a lot of people that are low energy, so probably
not you, but just thought everyone could benefit from
having some copper. And one reason why we're drawn
to eat dark chocolate is because, well, maybe because
there's some sugar in there too, but everyone knows magnesium, I
would think if they're listening to this show, but also copper.
And now the problem with with chocolate, unfortunately, and
I'm definitely a chocolate lover, is that you have plenty
of heavy metals of different types in there, Lead, arsenic,
you know, cadmium especially. And these are also things that
we look at in the hair test, by the way, again, if you haven't
heard one of our previous shows together.
So yeah, that's that's fascinating.
Now, the cool thing is that copper balances iron.
And amongst this myth of of iron being low for so many people,
there's this other issue with COVID.
So what COVID did, the way it acted on the body.
And this is true whether you got the shot or if you got, you just
didn't get the shot and you got infected.
And, you know, I, I didn't, I because I, I just kind of knew
it was, it was most likely, you know, a hoax from the early
beginning because I had testing ready in like 2 weeks.
And it's like, well, we run a testing company in part along
with this nutrition company. And it you, you know, it takes
years to figure out testing for things.
So, yeah, so that was that was a different topic, but the.
That's a whole podcast in itself right there.
That is that is for sure. But you know, just so people
know I said it then. So, you know, it's just like
good to see that that it tracks some things you wish you were
wrong about. But with copper and iron, the
way that that virus worked, and this is important because this
is how also how to protect yourself.
People were supplementing a lot of zinc, which zinc is
antiviral. Unfortunately, zinc pushes out
copper and that is a ratio we look at, as you know in the hair
test we look at zinc to copper, which is actually a balance of
those two elements, control progesterone and testosterone,
the case of zinc and then estrogen, the case of copper.
So you know, you obviously you want the right amounts of those
for you know, men and women. And then we also have iron to
copper and that's another ratio we look at in the hair test and
we look at about 63 elements, like I said, you know, 59 of
them. We know, you know, significant
part in building the body, probably focus on about 15 and
then also some heavy metals. And then we look at key ratios.
So because again, only six do the majority in terms of making
up the body. But with iron, the, the crazy
thing is, is I'm sure if you know, if you, if we went to the,
the doctor, we might have, you know, well, maybe not us, but
someone goes to the doctor and they, they have low, they have
low iron, right? And they, you can measure that a
few different ways in blood. And here's the thing, the,
there's a recycling system of iron that almost no one knows
about. And do you know how much iron it
recycles in terms of percentage that you take in?
So let's say you eat 100 milligrams of iron in the course
of a week. It literally, it literally
recycles 96% of that. So you see people that are that,
that have gone carnivore for a long time.
They're, you know, hey, I'm a fan of eating meat too.
But when you, the soil is is so depleted now of copper, you can
end up in a lot with a huge amount of iron and iron in terms
of personality, iron leads to anger.
The overload of iron leads to anger.
And they've known this for so long.
So, you know, can people buffer that?
Can they, you know, take a pause?
Yes. But will you be more easily
agitated even if you don't say anything to anyone?
Yes. So a less enjoyable internal
environment than life experience really, which I'm always trying
to optimize for. I think we worked.
All right, So, you know, so that's a thought right there.
So one, you can be giving blood to acknowledging that, well,
you're probably low in copper if you're eating, if for no other
reason that you're eating a ton of red meat.
Yeah, I know a lot of people are on on this show and this and
this audience. Yeah, we're all over the
spectrum. I'm sure there's people that are
vegan. There are people that are, you
know, carnivore, everything between.
This is not a conversation about diets really.
It's just about elements, which this is part of the reason why I
believe that diet variation has to happen and that all diets
eventually fail us is because if we're not testing, we're
guessing, which is something I've.
I've thought about for a long time.
And we trademarked that test on gas and upgrade formulas because
it's like it's key. Yeah, we sell amazing
supplements. I think anyone who would say
that's tried it, but it's, it's really about knowing where
you're at first and then knowing, you know, because some
people can be as fastidious as you and really figure it out.
But even then it takes time versus like, hey, here are my
numbers. Here's how it fits in with other
things. So with iron, if you're
recycling a question for, you know, the entire audience, if
you're recycling 96% of the iron you take in through this, this
system in the body that you can, you know, you can look up iron
recycling system in the body. Would it be likely, even if
someone is a menstruating woman, you know, and they're, you know,
assuming they're they're eating some red meat, would it be
likely that they're going to be low?
Like they're, it's, I mean, how much blood is a woman actually
losing her period most, most times, most often on average.
And even then, you know, a few days a month.
So you know, when you think about it, it's really unlikely
being that your body is always recycled so much iron.
No, why does it? Well, it does because it's the
only element that carries oxygen.
And you know, how do you really know your numbers if you're
looking at your blood? Because again, if you guys
haven't heard one of our previous shows, you could check
that one out too to search our names or But the when you're
looking at your results and it's just blood results, what you're
actually seeing is, is you at your best and the body's making
you at your best because in your blood, because it knows that it
has to keep the blood just about perfect.
Otherwise the organs start to shut down if that pH is off too
much. So it actually will pull from
your tissues, which are kind of like your savings account to put
into the checking account. And if it does that long enough,
it'll pull from even your bone marrow, unfortunately.
And that's how literally every bone disease gets created to
some extent, to really to the largest extent, if not entirely
is, is literally nutrient deficiency, especially primarily
mineral deficiency. Things like not calcium you
pretty much everyone has too much calcium, but magnesium and
boron primarily. Yeah, I mean, when Crystal, when
we knew that we were trying to get pregnant, like Crystal went
through the whole battery of tests, she got the hair test
done and she was using your mineral supplements to make sure
everything was in check prior to the pregnancy.
So that as she was forming another being, there was no risk
of being deficient in any minerals, any elements.
And I mean the pregnancy went super smooth in all regards
there. So I think that is, that is key
'cause I mean, we, we know people that got pregnant at the
same time. And when you're, when you're in
that state and your body is just, you know, demand for
nutrition is elevated to a whole another degree.
Like we knew so many people that were just deteriorating their,
their, their bone health was going downhill crazy losing a
ton of lean tissue, just not good at all.
You can kind of hedge against that by making sure your
minerals are in check, which is a relatively easy thing to do.
If you just put in the legwork. I mean that that's going to save
so much, so much heartache. Yeah, we, we, I love that
testimonial. It's absolutely incredible.
Yeah, my fiance and I are, are looking at that, doing that
later, you know, in a couple of years.
But the I, I, I love that, you know, in terms of women also
having postpartum depression, totally preventable when your
elements are there, especially things like magnesium and
lithium and sodium. When you have those in the right
amounts, like the body's also gonna have a easier time with
delivery. Sure.
She had a pretty smooth delivery in terms of like, she wasn't too
long. Like what was her delivery time?
Well, ours was a little bit, our delivery was a little bit of a,
a chaos. The pregnancy went super smooth,
but delivery was not smooth. Totally unrelated to, you know,
nutrition, but he Rigel, our son was in.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna butcher it. But he was in face presentation.
I forget the rotation, but it was one that you had to have an
emergency C-section. We were like, we were gonna try
to go the natural route and do a home birth, but that all got
derailed due to his presentation there at birth.
Yeah, that was no good. And how?
How old is he now? He's almost two.
He's about to turn 2 next month. That's very cool.
So one thing that that I also always tell people is iodine for
IQ. And that's that's key all
through. I mean, we have people putting
in baby bottles, mothers taking it and then it's coming out in
the breast milk. But if the mom has a deficiency,
like you're saying, then the child's going to have that
deficiency. Or if the mom has way too much,
you know, could be iron, way too much copper, way too much heavy
metals, you know, whatever it is, you know, even good things,
way too much calcium can also cause a lot of problems,
especially for the mother. But also, you know, these, these
things get passed on. It's just, you know, it's, it's
all, like you said, reversible, fixable and really creative, a
pretty cool process for people. So, you know, with, with iron,
just to cap off a little more than that, it, it's, you know,
the, the reason why we get fooled by that is because the
body can store up to 10 times more iron in our tissues.
So then we, when we look at, you know, this woman's, especially
women, but also men, and they're, they're low in their
blood. It's easy for a doctor to tell a
woman that's having a cycle and menstruating often that, oh,
hey, you're low because of that. And I mean, it's, it just goes,
oh, OK, well, that's makes sense.
And it, you know, it does, except it's not accurate.
It's what's often happening is if you're low in the blood, the
body's actually artificially keeping it low and storing it
because it's, it's literally pushing it into tissue and then
it's temporarily low. So you know, that said, you
still want to test. You don't want to guess, but you
can do a full blood panel on iron and then also compare it
with a hair analysis and look at iron.
And then also look at iron to copper ratio, zinc to copper
ratio and all the other ratios that we talked about including
like thyroid ratio, which is, you know, calcium to potassium,
adrenal ratios, there's yeah, we look, we see a lot there because
again, elements make the body, right.
Yeah, totally. Can you kind of compare the,
the, the blood test that people are probably gonna be getting on
average versus that of a hair analysis test to kind of walk us
through, walk us through the pros and cons of each?
I mean, I would say what I've said so far mainly covers it.
Think if there's anything else. I mean, you can look at things
like TIBC total iron binding capacity, you know, put it this
way, if you're high in iron on your hair test, you could just
skip to all right, oh, I need to go donate blood, which we
probably all need to anyway. The thing I was going to say
with COVID with iron is that and you know, and also your other
normal iron markers like ferritin and yeah.
So the the thing that with COVID, the the way this this was
from a a study published in Nature.
Nature.com is one of the most legitimate resources out there
for actual hard science. And they showed that at least 33
point something percent of deaths over 30, you know, over a
third came from high iron like that they could directly detect.
And that led to, you know, heart related events.
And interestingly enough, I mean, you know, my, my dad lives
in a different state and, you know, he's tried to do his best,
but he, you know, just kind of blindly listened to the news and
got a vaccine a long time ago before we ever talked and, you
know, didn't get anymore. But he, he had a heart attack
and, and I'd been telling him, hey, go give blood.
I just kept having this intuition go give blood, go give
blood even before I knew some of what I just told you.
And yeah, yeah, we looked at his blood and they tried to put him
on statins and you know, the all sorts of things, right?
And that's, that's another no, no, statins are less than 50%
effective, according to a Ted talk that was like really well
reviewed. I would say just do, you know,
do your own research. Of course, it's not medical
advice, but you know, it's, it's really important to, to
understand that. I think that's it's one of the
hardest things to get off of after you've been on it for a
bit. Totally.
So in, in regards to the iron, I feel like there's this massive
population in the, in the carnivore space right now that
is all about their, their liver consumption.
And I like liver too. Like I'm, I'm, I'm not anti
liver by any means. I, I enjoy beef liver, chicken
liver, all kinds of liver. But if you're consuming liver on
a daily basis and you're not giving blood, I would imagine
that your iron levels are through the roof.
I would imagine, yeah, because yes, liver does have copper.
It's one of the better sources of copper, at least
historically, right. And that's completely dependent
on the what on the soil and the soil around the world has has
just had a lot of copper out of it.
One thing I didn't mention on the COVID vaccine, the way it
worked with both the COVID vaccine and the virus is that
it's hijacking the metabolism. It doesn't have a metabolism.
The virus doesn't, but it jacks, you know, whenever you raise
iron, you push out copper, you become more susceptible to
viruses, first of all. So that's one one way.
But then it also gobbles up the copper in the cells because it
doesn't have a metabolism it uses, it hijacks the metabolism
cells. And then in that process, this
is all from the Nature article, by the way, that, you know, in
that process, you're left with so little copper in the body,
you're just regulated sort of like what you're talking about
in this case where, you know, someone's eating a ton of liver
and their iron's through the roof.
That iron actually, you know, it's little metal fragments.
If that's tumbling through your, your arteries, it causes Nicks,
which cause what inflammation? That inflammation causes the
body to what add cholesterol. Cholesterol's a protection
mechanism. And if it's short term, if it
weren't in inflammation all the time, which ultimately gets
prevented by magnesium. And that's a different flow
chart and I could talk about that, but you, you want to
prevent it from multiple standpoints.
Obviously, when when you're having those Nicks, you get
inflammation, you get cholesterol build up, you get,
you get fibrin on top of that, which is like a little net that
keeps cholesterol in place. And then there's a hardening of
the arteries that happen too. And you get plenty of calcium
build up that way if you have excess calcium, which is
ultimately what what it, you know, my mom passed of too.
And so mineral imbalance ultimately she had heel spurs,
she had bone spurs, you know, stiff joints and was otherwise
like, you know, really healthy. And then, you know, drugs,
medication and, you know, she was gone.
So we were able to find in her case that, you know what was
wrong, just the supplements weren't absorbing to fix those
deficiencies and to correct those imbalances.
When you have a extreme amount of calcium, calcium's up here at
like 600 and needs to be at like yeah, 75.
So, you know, you start balancing with the things like
magnesium and potassium and you know, that's where you want to
have a consultation with someone that knows what they're doing.
But the, and we, you know, we offer that too.
But the, the thing with, with iron, it's so interesting
because you know, yes, on one hand, the body needs it, but
it's also literally killing us all the time if we, if it gets
out of hand. So it's something to think about
and be on top of because it also affects your mood.
Like we talked about too much iron is anger.
And, and I've, I've seen that in friends of like even carnivore
for 70 days straight and they've been really mellow before and
then now they're like pretty on edge, pretty aggressive.
You know, I can, it seems like their blood pressure's up like
not in a good way. That's.
Interesting, how often would you recommend somebody do this hair
analysis test to kind of see how things are changing over time?
Yeah. My, my thought from everything
we've we've learned from the labs we've worked with is that
three months is the best window. If someone's a extreme athlete,
they could do even two months, but three months is enough.
And, you know, yeah, we offer subscription options and I'll
think all sorts of things like that to make it easy and
affordable. Yeah.
It's just, I mean, it ships to your house.
It doesn't get much easier than that.
And you don't have to get blood for people that, you know, some
of us don't mind that. Some of us are definitely afraid
of that. That's OK.
I need to. I need to do, I need to send my
hair sample in and, and get that because I'm curious to see what
kind of impact the prep had on things.
You know, if I'm depleted in any, any minerals, any elements,
what I need to do to change my supplementation accordingly to
kind of make up for that void and just get things dialed in
Because I can absolutely feel a difference if my electrolytes
and just overall mineral levels are out of whack.
And I would imagine that putting nobody through the prep is
probably not the most conducive thing to getting those dialed in
optimally. Yeah.
So one, one last stop for you on the energy and the electrolytes.
So there's the there's the really interesting flow chart
that that I discovered from some research and that's that.
And I've always known this, but it's interesting to put it in
these exact terms. So when you have magnesium loss
or low levels of magnesium, which was, you know, my, my
problem in my 20s because I've been a wrestler for 10 years and
did other sports too. But you know, just like you with
bodybuilding had to make weight and then go, you know, go
through extreme exertion, wrestle sometimes five matches
in a day in a two week, a 2 day tournament over a weekend, all
at like, you know, low calories. And you know, you barely even
have time to eat between matches.
And then you have a match coming up soon so you can eat and then
it's time to go to bed. You don't want to eat too late.
You won't sleep as well. You know, all these different
things and food deserts, you know, it's really self induced
hypothyroidism if you're not careful.
And we didn't know nearly as much back then, late 90s, early
thousands. And you know what we're talking
about now. So yeah, it's doable if you have
the, you know, the right plan. But so I, I came into, you know,
college and, you know, I started really working on my health
probably around 20, just pure health.
I had all these deficiencies, one of which was magnesium.
When you have magnesium loss, the flow chart is magnesium loss
leads to all other electrolyte loss.
And then when you have that, you have energy loss.
So that's really what you're speaking to and feeling there.
And then when you have energy loss, you actually get to cell
death. Cell death leads to
inflammation. So that clearing the body goes,
oh, we need to clear those dead cells, which is a good response
ultimately. And that that's prone, you know,
it's inflammatory. And then, you know,
inflammation, of course, is the the root cause of nearly all
disease. I would say probably all disease
to some extent at least. So yeah, yeah.
So it's it's key. It makes no.
Sense man there there are some people that have taken a very
hard nosed stance on not supplementing with anything
because they just wanted to simply get all their nutrition
from their food and have the the most optimal diet they possibly
can, which I can totally appreciate and respect that
mindset. I think however, because of the
soil, like you've alluded to in the in the earlier parts of this
conversation, even if you were eating an optimally formulated
ketogenic diet or whatever that that may be by default at this
day and age in our society, the animals like due to the soil
depletion over time, over generations, it would be
impossible to get that necessary level of minerals from the meat
exclusively because they simply aren't getting it from the soil,
correct. Right.
Yeah, that's true for animals, for plants, no matter what diet
you're eating. And even if you were eating a
diet and let's say, yeah, that was really good.
And let's say you look, you're still going to have imbalances.
So let's say you need to bring your magnesium up and you don't
want to supplement. And you read you're like, all
right, well, almonds are high in magnesium.
And you just start munching away on almonds.
And you're meanwhile your calcium and magnesium levels,
which is pretty important in the body in terms of blood sugar
balance, actually. And well, yeah, so you do that.
It turns out that, well, yeah, they're high in magnesium, these
almonds, but they're also, they also have six times more calcium
than they have magnesium. So it's really hard to be
precise with food to fix deficiencies.
Part of the reason why I say every diet fails eventually if
we're not testing, if we're not making adjustments, right?
And I mean, it's just, it's kind of like being in a ship at sea
and you turn the wheel a little bit and then pretty soon you've
gone. And if you don't turn it back
the other way, no matter where you're going, you go in a
complete circle, right? So over time, right, if you just
turn a little bit to correct course and then you don't
correct course again, it's a circle eventually.
So, so we want to avoid that. And then we avoid that simply by
doing as regular testing as you can.
We recommend three months, do whatever you can I would say.
And you know, some is going to be better than none, but that's
that's yeah, I mean, it's, it's a key, key understanding.
No, it makes total sense, man. Talking about some of these
clinical trials you've been having underway.
I'm keen to learn more about that.
Yeah. So we have a fertility clinical
trial that is wrapping up right now and that's on something
called upgraded T as in Tom and that that is like T as in
testosterone. And that's really something I've
wanted to create a long for a long time that just for myself
even, you know, being in being 37 this year.
So that's something that women can take that that men can take.
A lot of people don't know this, but a healthy woman should have
at least 10 times more, but up to 30 or more times testosterone
than estrogen if she's healthy. And that's going to give her a
lot better recovery, ability to build muscle, obviously sex
drive, but also like mental function, resilience, stamina,
things like that, right? And obviously the same for men.
So more hormonally, obviously, despite the cycle part, we're
still closer, especially the rest of the month, men and
women, than we think, than we acknowledge really, because we
both have more testosterone than nitrogen and most women as well
as men by 25 or so, again, because of soil.
But also because, and I was going to say this earlier too,
to your point about, you know, do we need a supplement?
The world is, it's a real #1000 times more toxic than any other
point in recorded history. And I can tell you as a former
chemical engineer, there's a universal sheet where they
published chemicals that are new that are produced, and then
we're producing about 20 new chemicals a day.
So we're looking at 600 new chemicals a month roughly that
your body has to deal with and protect itself against.
And if it can detox and make energy, IE if it has all the
elements it needs, it can do those things, then you're going
to have a lot better ability to defend against toxins.
So yeah, key stuff. So upgraded tea is really good
at well, for, for women and men increasing testosterone.
We've just seen that in, in the, the early results of the trial.
We're still waiting on the completion of that.
But I wanted to do something, you know, around fertility.
And yeah, turns out a lot of people are having problems with
that. So our whole process helps with
that is that, you know, if you're more vital, just like you
and your, your wife were, then you're, it's going to be easier
to get to get pregnant, to stay pregnant, which is a huge
emotional thing to go through if someone's ever lost a child and
then, you know, have a healthy child after, right.
So, yeah, they're really key. And then so we, we did the test
on testosterone and then on the male side, both sperm count and
motility of the sperm. So yeah, really interesting
stuff there. And then upgraded magnesium.
We did a clinical trial there taking four capsules a night.
This was placebo-controlled as well.
We're completely excluded from these trials except for
providing supplements. Everything's blinded.
Even the doctors don't know what they're giving the, you know,
patients, so to speak, don't know what they're getting.
And then there's a washout period.
And then they, they do say the placebo first.
Now they're doing, you know, in this case, upgraded magnesium.
And again, the form doesn't matter unlike you know, other
supplements, it's really about the delivery system.
It's kind of like saying, well, instead of talking about which
car we want to take on a long road trip, we're going to take a
plane and we're going to get in to sell a lot higher absorption
rate like you're talking about earlier.
And that make it really makes all the difference.
So what we did is we focused for upgrade magnesium on sleep.
And we did that because people were sending us our their
ordering scores, their sleep tracker scores of any sort
without us even asking and going like, wow, this is amazing.
You know, and we literally saw people go from things like 15
minutes of deep sleep and a lot of R.E.M.
To in five nights, like my friend Natalie, Jill went from
16 minutes to an hour and 51 minutes and five nights with
four capsules of magnesium at night, just literally needed the
raw material to make melatonin so she could sleep deeply.
And then, you know, she started to age a lot more slowly.
She was already really fit, really beautiful.
This was this just helped amplify that like, hey, now
you're not aging faster than you should.
You know, now you're also like you're more creative.
You're not. I mean, it's hard to really
focus and it really impossible to do deep work when you're when
you got no deep sleep. So 100.
Percent, ma'am. So the, the trial, the trial
showed up to the high point in the trial was a 250% increase in
deep sleep. So going from like an hour to 2
1/2 hours and then REM sleep, the high was 160%, which is
really, you know, frankly life changing because it also just
like in Natalie's case outside of the trial, you know, the time
in bed drops. So the time you actually have to
spend in bed or, or asleep and unconscious goes down too.
So you get more of your life back.
For her she was literally saving 3.7 hours a night.
And then because she was otherwise healthy, she was
missing this one piece. And then so we calculated over
the next year, she would say 57 days of not being asleep, which
added up to over three years of her life back.
She got by the time she turned, she's 50 by the time she turned
70 and over six years by the time she turned 90, literally of
her life back. So and she was taking other
magnesium supplements. I mean, she takes a lot of
supplements, including magnesium.
So, yeah, those are, we just wanted to prove that for people
because we've also see seen people get off sleep medication
and anxiety medication with that product, blood sugar stuff too
as well. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's,
it's great to see people. I mean, that's my favorite part
of what we do is, is seeing the change and the sort of solutions
that I needed, my mom needed, other people I knew needed, that
just didn't really exist back then.
No 100. Percent, man.
I mean changing. Changing lives for sure.
When it comes. To the the supplement side of
things, like how did you all approach the like the like third
party testing just from like an athlete's standpoint, trying to
ensure that they're not gonna pop for anything on a banned
substance list. Like do you have any type of
third party testing that y'all send everything through?
Yeah, we, we do. We, we actually third party test
every single batch. And then when we're looking at
minerals, which you're not required to by the, by the way,
like at all, but we do because heck, I, I take literally all my
product, not all, but many of my products literally every day.
And yeah, because you, I mean, you feel different if, if you
don't, it's doesn't mean you have to take as many, but
there's some that you're just like, well, I know I sleep a lot
better when I have magnesium at night.
And yeah, I might also take some tryptophan, I might take some
theanine or whatever it is, right.
So, so yeah, there's, there's that on the testing side also
for for upgraded tea, which probably the product in
question, because everything else we do is minerals and you
know, different blends and forms or different blends and single
products too, like upgraded potassium with upgraded tea.
We're actually using part of the reason why that product is
expensive to make is and why it's so we wanted to do the
clinical trial and fertility for it is because it's so nutrient
rich and it's using the trademark forms of things like
Tonkat, you know, instead of Tonkat Ali, just regular long
Jack regular, we're using the clinically studied version and
the right amount of that. And we're doing that across five
different nutrients that are all just just, you know, nutrients
from the earth. So yeah, I mean it.
It's just if someone already has really high testosterone.
It's probably not going to make it higher.
So it's also it's but it's providing your body the
nutrients to build testosterone and also, you know, reduce over
excess estrogen and also improve nitric oxide.
So I think you would absolutely love that.
Yeah, you said it once. Third.
Party tested as well, right? Yeah, third party tested too.
Exactly. So every single batch and that,
that product those, those manufacturers because they're
trademarked that they test they're each product before they
ship it too. And then we're combining those
five ingredients and shipping that.
By the way, we have a the only purified form of Sheila Jit.
So a lot of people are and Sheila doing Sheila Jit because
that alone will boost testosterone.
But it's dirty often, it's full of heavy metals typically.
So. So that's something you won't be
mindful because the last thing you want to do is put heavy
metals in your body. I mean, we have a binder product
that has a bunch of different binding surfaces and we
recommend that to a lot of people if they need a
consultation. Yeah.
So really, really cool stuff there.
It's that that supplements awesome.
I take it daily. So it is my fiance and she is so
otherwise, you know, super healthy too.
But we notice, you know, when we like when we're taking it
because you notice you have more nitric oxide.
So you have an endogenous production of at least 230% just
from 1 ingredient. That was from a clinical trial
they did just showing that over 90 days you're seeing that 230%
boost, but then you're also amplifying it with four other
ingredients. So, yeah, so you're a lot of
people talk about pump also. Yeah, just arousal weight, you
know, for men, erections easier to maintain and get erection.
Maintain erection is what what we saw in the clinical trial
because we did, you know, sperm count.
We had people answer questionnaires, take before and
after photos of weight and fat loss too.
So it's also good for heart health.
That's endothelial function improving.
So the interior, yeah, of, of blood vessels.
So I mean, it's really what we would hope for in a
multivitamin. But a lot of multivitamins will
have, you know, a lot of calcium, which you don't need,
you know, iron a lot of things. So and then like poor forms.
And it's a scattershot approach, right?
So you're, if you're taking a multivitamin, I would suggest
stopping and doing precise nutrition so that you're not
paying to make your health worse because it's you're most likely
keeping it where it is or holding it back.
So. Yeah, no, 100% man makes total
sense. And that that's a that upgraded
T that's, that's a new part. I don't think I've seen that
one. On your website before now.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can can send you some of that
to try out. It's it's really great.
Very cool, man. Well, I'm excited for all you
got in the in the works, man. I mean, every time I talk to
you, every time I meet with you at a conference, you've got
something in the pipeline. You're always on the cutting
edge of the research and you, you're just genuinely passionate
about learning more, which is very evident in talking with
you, which I really appreciate as well.
And you're, you're, you're giving back to like last time we
talked, I think we talked about. I forgot the name of.
The charity. Charity.
Is it Charity Water? Yeah.
Charity Water so we donate to charity water too.
My portion of every sale goes to them and I think that's amazing
because you know, they solve the root cause problem just like we
do, You know, for us it's identifying and solving mineral
deficiency, which supports people really in all areas of
their life, no matter what their goals are.
And then when you give, when not just gifting someone like
bottled water, but when you're drilling a well in a a poor
community that where people literally don't have clean
water, it's more important really than even housing, which
they can usually figure out, you know, especially if they have
water, they have enough time to figure it out.
If they have water, they can start to grow some at least
small crops. You know, they can start to have
animals and and, you know, have water for the animals.
But, you know, if you showed up and gave them a cell phone and a
goat and they had no water and, you know, it doesn't really.
Yeah. And you gave them a toilet.
It's like none of it works really for very long.
So to me it, it's one of the root cause.
I mean, I'm glad we all have things that we're passionate
about, but that's one of the ones.
And then just mental health too, I think we're looking to, to
work more and more with mental health outlets and yeah, because
part of what we do, we have the tagline now mental health
hygiene. So just helping people.
We have something called upgraded mood as well.
It has some lithium in it because we found that there's a
study, really popular study on lithium and groundwater linked
directly to suicide depression. So that the areas and they, they
did it across the US, areas that have the lowest amount of
lithium in their groundwater, like drinking water, for
example, have the highest rates of both depression and suicide.
And I mean, you don't need a lot of it.
And at a super high dose, yeah, it's a it's considered a drug,
but not having any of it is, is bad as well.
So we combine that with a few other things and that's a that's
a cool product as well for people that need it.
I've heard, and this is not advice, but that, you know, you
know, people have been able to slowly, you know, work with
their doctor and get off of SSRIs with that.
So that would be pretty good for sure if.
That became. More prevalent for sure.
Yeah, yeah. I love, man.
I'm I'm always intrigued by what you're working.
I'm always excited about what you've got cooking.
What am I? What am I gonna see next?
You gonna be any of the comrades this year?
I was going to go speak in London at my friend Tim's event.
You might know Tim Gray in London and he's a good friend,
Always stays with me when he's here stateside.
And yeah, I'm not going to make that this year.
Really just focus on the other areas, you know, working with a
lot of practitioners and and stuff, but as well and yeah, you
know, kind of going other avenues.
But certainly let me know. I'm sure we'll talk, but let me
know how you like some of these things and then also what what
events you're going to because you know, it's been been a while
and would love to see you brother.
Yeah, for sure, man. I'm going to hack your health
later this summer for sure. I've got a few others, smaller
venues that'll be going to. But yeah, I, I, I need to get
back to Florida again anyway. So if you're there in Florida, I
can, I can just swing by in person, man.
Yeah, swing by in person. We've got some beach time.
It's very easy being here on the beach and it's easy.
I get plenty of vitamin D, so yeah, 100.
Percent, man, you gotta get that.
Well sweet Barton, where do people go to find out more about
you and get some of the upgraded formulas supplementation?
Yeah, we just head over to the website upgradedformulas.com.
Yeah, you can follow the same thing on Instagram and upgrade
Formulas me ask Barton. On Instagram.
We have a YouTube channel, but I would say if you're going to
pick one, just the website. And we have a quiz too, for
people on the website. Just a free quiz that's about 18
or 20 questions, and it just helps you identify, you know,
what your likely deficiencies are.
So you can get started. Then you can always do a hair
test, you know, you know, whenever you're ready, whenever
that is. So, yeah, it's another thought.
So I would say upgrade formulas.com is probably the
main place. Very cool.
Well, I'll definitely get to that.
Make it easy for people to find you, Barton.
If there's everything I can do to help in any way man, you just
let me know brother. Oh, thank you.
Yeah. And if if you guys are listening
and just as an incentive, so you try things on your first time,
use code Barton 10 check out and you guys save 10% and just for
listening to the show. And yeah, thank you for your
time. I I really appreciate it.
And Robert, thank you as always for having me on.
It's great. You know, we would hang out all
the time. I feel like if we're even in the
same state. So no.
My my. Pleasure, man.
I remember the first time we met, I guess at like the first
keto con, I was like super intrigued by what you were
doing. And I've been using your stuff
ever since, man. So it's, it's quality stuff.
I can absolutely feel the difference when I'm using it.
So you're, you're, you're doing the right thing, man.
And I appreciate that it. It definitely speaks volumes.
Yeah. Thank you brother.
Well this is, it's about time for me to grab something to eat.
But I do wish I had a keto brick, so I'll I'll ask Sandra
to order something. I'll hook you up man.
Till next time brother, take care.
OK, take care.