What's going on? Robert Sykes Quito Savage.com.
Today I've got special guest, Peter Jeff's back on the line.
He is one of my clients, we work together for about seven, seven
and a half months, he got freaking shredded.
He lost about 60 pounds and that Journey, not all that, 60 pounds
was with me, actually lost a good percentage of that.
With one of my other clients who is coaching now as well and just
an awesome awesome story. But we had all kinds of
obstacles throughout his Rep. He had, you know, covid officers
going on this time, he's in Canada.
So all kinds of restrictions around the show that he had
planned on competing in. He wound up catching covid.
Had to do a photo shoot like all kinds of chaos but his ability
to just maintain his work ethic, not make any excuses.
He is definitely a believer in the discipline equals Freedom at
mentality and that that Shone through throughout this entire
Journey. So truly enjoyed working with
Peter I've got a lot of respect for him.
I've got No doubt that he will continue to just kill it in
Excel and always with his journey going forward.
He's gonna be doing another prep with me next year.
He's in the building phase right now but honestly I just wanted
to bring them on the podcast. Kind of dive a little deeper
into his story that little deeper into this journey and
what are some of the things that he's learned about himself and
what are some things he's got going in the future.
So thoroughly enjoyed the conversation.
Have no doubt that you will take something from it.
So that for their do sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast with
my good friend. Peter
And we are Live. Peter, how are you brother?
I'm good. Robert, how are you?
I'm doing wonderful woman, has been what about oh a month maybe
since we've talked last I guess. Yeah, I know we've shared some
messages on slack for some reason, I just continue to reach
out to you and but yeah and of course I reached out with the
when once again congratulations on Baby Savage so exciting.
No, it's always a pleasure chatting with you, man.
Like you're one of my clients where even after we stopped
working together, like, I look forward to seeing a message pop
up from you. You're just a good all around
guy and I enjoy the conversation for sure.
Thanks Robert. Yeah, I love getting a bit of
extra advice along the way. So I certainly appreciate that
you're always willing to respond to my cats with not only with
encouragement, but some solid advice and experience.
So that's gone a long way for me, so thank you.
Absolutely absolutely. Well, I just wanted to get you
on the podcast to kind of talk about what got you in Aikido,
kind of your story. This whole prep Journey itself
because you've made quite the transformation with regard to
the competition prep that you've gone through.
And you've had, you had kind of all kinds of obstacles, arise
throughout that prep journey. And as I try to really, you
know, illustrate with people, the Stars never seem to align
when you're going through a prep, and that certainly was the
case for you. But before we dive into the
actual prep that you just concluded, You know, not too
long ago. I love to kind of get some more
back story on you personally, man.
Like what got you into Kita? What made you interested in this
life, down the first place and what, what made that all
resonate with you? Yeah, perfect.
So maybe I'll go back a little bit.
I'd say a few years ago I tried what I would have called keto
then probably more of a dirty version of Kido but you know it
was still low carb and my body felt really good on it.
The added bonus was, I did lose some weight at that time I was
carrying around. A considerable amount of weight
and then one day I was out walking the dog.
I generally listen to podcasts when I'm riding my bike around,
walking the dog. And I ask Siri, what is the best
keto workout podcast and Aikido Savage podcast came back.
I started listening to a podcast that you did with Seth Barner
actually, which was a fantastic. Listen, and just happened to go
in and start to follow both of you on Instagram.
Three today out to me and said, hey, thanks for following me.
And then we kind of went back and forth for a number of months
to help me get started with macros.
I kind of started to train and, you know, be coached under him
with the initial macro stage, my body started to feel really
good, you know, less inflammation.
I would suggest, I really enjoyed the clear mind feeling I
was getting, but most of all, I felt like it was sustainable and
that was it. Important to me that the reduced
food. Prep time.
I was able to make foods I enjoyed and yet, I was seeing a
lot of benefits on the other side.
And then after six or seven months with Seth, he connected
me with you. And that's really where the
transformation. Really started.
Nice, nice. Yeah, I got a lot of respect for
Chef, he's an awesome guy. I thoroughly enjoyed having him
on the pocket. He's another one of my clients
were I just it's become more like a friendship than a client
coaching relationship when it's all said and done like you get
to meet people, you get to know them on a deeper level.
I think he won the, he did he won the golden brick winner as
well. So we flew him out here and he
stay with us for a few days and that was just really good.
He's a good all around guy as well.
Yeah, he's a fantastic guy. I would say he has totally
become a friend, you know, all during covid and we do left live
several hundreds of miles apart. You know, he was one of my
biggest supporters as I was working with you and would
continually reach out to me to see how things were going.
And, yeah, I absolutely love them.
He's a fantastic guy. So, yeah, I guess let's give the
listeners little context here. You're in, Canada, and Canada
had a, I would probably Venture say a much stricter, you know,
protocol on what they would allow, what they would not
allow, especially as it related to, like body building
competitions, and things of that nature.
So your I don't want to jump too far ahead here, but that was
kind of some of the obstacles. I was alluding to you had
planned on doing a show and originally, and that gets
cancelled. And then I had to reschedule
Will times, but it wasn't easy on you being in Canada,
throughout the whole covid thing as related to body building
Endeavors. Absolutely.
Yeah. And we so we did have some
serious restrictions. We had Jim closures so you know,
we'd be moving along, just fine and all of a sudden, our gyms
would shut down. I think the worst was for three
or four months. So it was, you know, trying to
make do with a home gym, some TRX cables and, you know,
working outside in the winter the odd time.
I'm set up a quick gym in the basement, took over my wife's
yoga room, so not sure how well that went over.
But in the end, everything seemed to work out.
Well, other than the show was cancelled and so we move to a
photoshoot instead. Yeah.
And with a lot of, I mean, my show got canceled like a week
before I stepped on stage so I totally can understand the
frustration you were going through but I mean you handled
it like just perfectly man like your Attitude and Demeter never
shifted. I mean, you were able to go
through, you know, not having a gym for months on end, that
didn't that didn't hinder your better to train hard, you made,
you made do with what you had. You were biking.
A lot of places for cardio. You were just getting it done
despite all the opportunities for making an excuse and then I
think what right before the the photo shoot you wind up getting
covid as well. So it's like a perfect storm of
negative things happening and most people pretty much anybody
He else? I know, would be like, okay,
this is a totally justifiable reason to Nix the photoshoot Nix
the competition next to prep, and just go back to some degree
of normalcy, and you didn't let any of that phase.
You just kept kept your head down and kept on grinding.
Yeah, thanks Robert. I felt like I had come a long
way by that point and I was really committed to, you know,
finishing what I had started. I received a ton of support from
you a ton of support from Seth from my wife and family.
I mean it was it was very Going to continue on.
I do recall, I was so excited for my first refeed and you will
likely recall this as well during my face for refeed, and I
was so sick with the covid that I didn't even do it.
I just didn't even eat that day, unfortunately.
But it only knocked me down for two or three days where I
couldn't work out. But I came back strong and we
managed to push through to a to the photo.
Shoot, absolutely, I'm going to pull up your client spreadsheet
here as we're talking. Talking because I don't want to
get these numbers wrong, but I want to kind of get your stats,
some of your stats in place. You do you remember what your
starting weight was? Yeah, I think 193 is what I came
to you at Robert. I think when I started with
Seth, I was over 220, maybe to 23 years or something.
So you were to 23 and you weren't you weren't key to, at
all, prior to working with Seth, right?
Correct set. Kind of Seth got me started on
keto. I will say that I did work out
but I wasn't seeing the potential until I brought in
this responsible type of eating. Yeah, we started on 8, 16, 20,
21, your weight. There was like 193, like you
were saying. And before that when you start
with Seth, you said, you were 230 there that, right?
To, I think 223, I actually didn't look back that far to be.
Honest. But 223 and then we get you down
to your lightest was looks like 162 that about right?
Yeah it was 162. I think on photo shoot day.
I was 165 after a roofie so what does that that's, 60 pounds
down. Yeah it is.
That's insane man. Do you have any idea what your
total calories may have been like when you first started
working with Seth like before it before he gave you your Macros
just what you were eating on a normal day.
Basis, I would say Robert that I was pretty responsible during
the day and then I would basically double my calories at
night. That's the challenging time for
me. I really honestly couldn't put a
calorie total calorie to it. I would say that my carbs would
have been extremely high and so that in my mind that explains
why I you know, this sore knees the foggy mind that type of
thing. Just definite increase.
The inflammation. Yeah, and then, when we started,
I started you ants 2600 calories to 6352 and 35 grams of fat, 115
protein, 15 carbs. And then we kind of went to the
home. Drop your fat, increase protein
figure out your protein threshold, kind of like, I'll
illustrate in the book, but that whole time, man, like your
weight was just steadily dropping.
Like, there's not a whole lot of clients that I've worked with
where it's like a like more or less a linear progression but
you Pretty much had pretty dang. Close to a linear progression
and weight loss throughout the whole journey.
Yeah. I feel like I did.
So I used the isn't called the Renfro scale I think.
And when you look at that vendor reduction in rate in weight, it
is it is a nice line down and I'll be honest, that was a very
motivating and encouraging as I continued week to week.
But you know, those early days I didn't find it overly
challenging. There were days where I was
almost struggling to get all the food in.
Yeah. And it was great to see the
weight loss and I said to this to you a number of times Robert
even early on the weight loss was great and that was kind of
one of my goal but the reduced soreness of my body, it just
changed my workouts, the reduced prep time, you know, by the end
of my cut, I was just eating one meal a day.
I really enjoyed it and in the back of my mind, I was always
Saying to myself. This is totally sustainable.
And, you know, I've completed the Cod, I've completed my kind
of started towards my in the middle of my reverse dieting, I
should say and it's going great. Yeah.
And your testosterone levels, your testosterone levels were
starting at a pretty high. I don't remember what you said,
one on one of our initial consult calls, but but your
natural testosterone levels were pretty impressive.
Yeah, I think I was 1250 and then I didn't measure right.
My intent was to measure that week before picture day and then
I got covid and I didn't, you know, that's one thing in
hindsight. I look back, I know you keep
track of so many statistics and I think you hinted to me along
the way. Hey maybe measure this and that
and now I wish I had taken your advice.
Because that stuff that I can look back on.
And when I do my next cut it would be great to compare it.
So that is one thing I kind of regret any.
Well, there's always next cut so it's a you live and you learn
and just to give the listeners some some context here.
What is what is your age again? Peter So, when I started, I was
58 for my photo shoot. I had just turned 59 59, so I've
had several clients as of late that were, you know, early 50s,
mid 50s, late 50s, and it's awesome to work with y'all
because, for whatever reason of all the demographics, I mean,
y'all are like very rarely. Do y'all make excuses just
freaking hunker down and get to work?
I had Sean I don't think I have a podcast with him yet but you
know, he and I recently finished up our coaching and he got
Gifts. They shredded I think like three
percent or something like that via the, you know, by electrical
impedance. Can you are probably right
around that as well, three or four percent and you just get
freaking lean, man. Like you got the vascularity,
you got the muscle definition, you get the separation, and you
don't make excuses. And for me as a coach working
with people, that just simply put the head down and get to
work. And don't make excuses is the
easiest type of client because you just do.
And then you don't You don't make up reasons why not to do
and then the final result, obviously speaks for itself.
Y'all got freakishly shredded but the coolest thing for me is
to be able to hear y'alls excitement for, you know, what
you learn about yourself throughout that Journey when you
get that lean, when you go through, as detailed as
regimented a protocol like this for the, you know, several
months. What you learn about yourself
and what you, what you now have at your fingertips, coming out
of it. It's just incredibly empowering.
Yeah, that is so true. I definitely feel like I have a
much better understanding of my body.
I do know. There were I think twice I
reached out to you Robert. One time I started my our slack
chat with, hey maybe body buildings, Not for Me Maybe
natural bodybuilding is not for me.
And then you know, kind of obviously it was at a low point
and we snapped out of it quickly and I think then once was later
on Had a bit of a call. I don't think I was as close to
the edge on that second call but we just talk through a few
things and it was it was just a moment of weakness here and
there but other than that I think we progress.
Well it was definitely. I will say, you know, that
tapering macros that period was definitely challenging.
I read the chapter in your book about mindset during that phase
3 up, tapering macros almost daily.
I had your book sitting on my bedside table and with my wife
would jokingly call it. Oh I see you're reading the
Bible again it was it was perfect timing that that book
came out a couple of months before I actually completed my
photo shoot well there's so much to buy the boom.
It is I mean this is why it is truly a mental sport.
Like it's so much Beyond just the physical act of going to the
gym, the physical act of prepping your meals.
I mean where you have to go mentally, too, Not only do the
day-to-day but embrace the day-to-day and like, be excited
about it, so it doesn't burn you out, is like a special type of
place. I mean, you got to really want
to go there. So, I really wanted to make a
pretty good, pretty good. Percentage of the book, you
know, dedicated to the mindset that it should accompany you on
this journey so that you are kind of set up for success.
But it's so cool for me, man. Like I, I wish you could be on
the receiving end of this and kind of experience what it is
like for me. As the coach because like when
you're at the low point, when we had that talk, when you call me
like a man, this is what I'm feeling and I'm not feeling it.
This is just not good. Like I knew exactly the emotions
that you were having and we just talk to it.
You got fired up and then like the next day, you had like a new
low and then you submitted some pictures and they looked even
better than the prior time. It's like, I don't know why we,
as humans have these, these LOLs are these periods where we just
beat ourselves up internally, even if anybody from the
outside, Looking at could see, the progress is being made, but
we just like, we allow ourselves to go into a dark place and I
feel like when you have somebody, you can lean on.
It's been there before and can relate with it and you can just
feel confident. Hey, look.
This is kind of, you know, par for the course is come to the
territory and that's pretty much all you need to kind of get
reinvigorated again. Yeah.
Absolutely. I mean I appreciated our
conversation but even the fact that you hit on it so well in
the book was it was motivating and inspiring and you know
there's comfort knowing you're not alone that others have been
through this and specifically you and so when we reached out
and had that chat I started kind of explaining how I felt and you
obviously have been there numerous times and walked me
through it and This Avery came out on the other side, I think
even better. I will say that during the
tapering the macros, you know, that cutting phase.
I had heard and read so many negative things around, you
know, tired loss of strength, decreased libido, those types of
things. And I really didn't experience a
lot of that and I think that's more compliment towards the keto
diet that we brought to this cut.
But then anything, you know, a lot of those readings were
around the traditional, bro, diet when they were doing that
cut and I kept saying to you, it's difficult, like this is not
easy, it's mind over matter, and so on, but I'm not seeing my
weights. Decreasing in the gym.
I still have lots of energy so it was it was super positive.
Yeah, it's funny you bring that up.
I was actually, I was tagged in a social post the other day on
Instagram and even really respond because it wasn't really
worth Time to engage but they were they were saying something
about how it was an ant Aikido post and basically the
individual was going out on a tangent about how she's, you
know, dedicating herself to removing people and the interest
around the kids at night because it's so harmful and it's not
sustainable. And if anybody did it, they
wouldn't be able to perform at an elite level and no body,
builders do it and if the body butter was to do it, they die in
a week and it's just like like people that spout that
negativity have clearly. Lee never done it and certainly
never done it the right way because you know, you saying
what you just said about how your performance continue to,
you know, Excel or at least, maintain throughout the caloric
deficit. Like that is more often than not
the case with the clients that I've worked with and there's a
lot of ways to skin a cat. There's a lot of ways to get
shredded and place, what a bodybuilding show.
But for me, and my whole passion around, you know, presenting
this ketogenic way towards bodybuilding competition prep,
is that it shouldn't have to be This thing where you die a
little bit every time you go through it, like, I like that.
I like, you know, going to that place and and, you know, put
myself In Harm's Way so to speak and just suffer and see what I'm
capable of. But at the end, the day, you
shouldn't have to to come out of it, worse off than when you went
into it. You should come out of it better
off than where you were when you come into it and that should be
the case from a mental standpoint, that should be the
case from a physical standpoint. Like if you kill your hormones,
if you kill your metabolism, few, Kill your libido.
If you kill everything, set everybody around you think's,
you this miserable. Miserable wretched, doesn't want
you to another prep again, then you're probably doing something
wrong. So, anyway to mitigate against
that, and this case using a ketogenic approach.
I think that's where people should go with it, you know.
Yeah, I hundred percent agree and maybe as funny as it sounds,
when you get to be my age, you start to think about things like
longevity and and you know, what is sustainable?
And how can you just continue to To increase that longevity and
I'm finding this as really worked.
Well for me, I did have an individual.
They asked me at the gym, whatever is doing, how were you
losing this weight and building this muscle and so on.
And I said I'm on a ketogenic protocol and of course, they
started to bad-mouth that. So I just actually pulled out a
picture of the cover of your book and said that's my coach.
He's been doing it for seven plus years.
So I'll be thrilled to ever look like Kim.
Well, you you look great man. I mean, I don't think I've ever
seen. I don't think I ever saw a
picture of you the before picture, maybe you sent him.
I don't remember when you were the 60 pounds heavier, but I
mean for you to get as lean as he got, as quickly as you got
and as healthfully as you did it.
I mean, whatever you're doing. So obviously working for your
body is responding favorably to it.
I mean, the pictures at the end that photo shoot the pictures
that Sent me that I posted on Instagram.
I want not like like that is impressive no matter what age
you're at. So for you to be doing it at, I
guess you said you were 59 at the time the photo shoot or 58,
59, 59 minutes. And then one of your goals is to
compete in the master's class at 60, right?
That's correct. Yeah.
So I'm taking your advice and as tempting as it is and you
mentioned this numerous times in the book as well, which I
thought was almost ready. Written for me at the tempting
as it is to just want to start right back into it.
My goal is the fall of 2023. So build muscle for 18 months
and then I truly want you. No, get out of my comfort zone.
Get on stage for a men's physique, or if we can build my
legs better, a classic physique there.
There are some shows in Ontario, and in Canada, that happened
over 60 men's age group. So, I'd like to do that.
Nice nice. Well, we can certainly make that
happen. I've got to ask man.
I mean, your, your peer group, The the people that you run
around with that are of similar age.
Like, I can't imagine any of them are even comprehending what
it is that you're doing, and why you would want to do them.
And I would imagine it look anything else like, like you
either know, that's probably true.
And I think part of them wonders why I'm doing it.
And yet, a number of them ask me questions.
As to, you know, what does my do trician look like?
What does my what do my workouts look?
Like so I'm sure part of them wishing that they could do it.
I will say that I've had it. And I've mentioned this to you,
one of my kind of mentors in weight training and body but not
really bodybuilding. But weight training is he is 70
years old right now and looks fantastic is very mobile.
He is the one that kind of got me into functional fitness as
well. So kettlebells clubs that type
of thing boss. Wait, so I still do that once or
twice a week and also factor in the Eighth Day Workout cycle
that you have on your website Roberts.
Oh, well I'm I'm inspired by people that are absolutely
killing it. You know, as they age like for
me, I'm 30. I've been bodybuilding since I
was 17. I guess first competition was
2012 and like I love what I do. I love competing I love every
aspect of the sport but I'm I'm super excited about being able
to continue to do that when I'm you know, when I'm your age,
when I'm 70, when I'm 80 and I feel like especially now, I mean
there's been so many bodybuilders in the ifb I have
baby League that have died over the past two years.
And you know, there's all kinds of debate as to what the the
Catalyst for that death rate is maybe it's the performance
enhancing drugs. Maybe it's something else.
Sure that performance and drugs probably isn't helping their
situation, but I feel like when you when you make this a habit
when you make this, Laughs down and you just chip away at it
every single day without fail and you, you go through these
healthy building and cutting Cycles in a way that is
sustainable. You truly just keep getting
better and better and better. I mean there that must be
liberating to think that hey look, my next year can be better
than my last year for so many people.
They assume there's this, you know, point in time where they
quote, unquote are over the hill, they Crest that hill and
then it's just all downhill from there and I think the sport of
bodybuilding And just the nature of the sport itself, you know,
resistance, training, eating and quality diet, especially the
ketogenic diet. Like, there's no reason you
wouldn't be able to get better with each of the past and not
worse, as long as you're, you know, smart about your recovery
in your mobility and you're letting your body heal from
every brutal training session. But if you're doing it, right?
There's no reason why you can't keep getting better.
Yeah, I totally agree. And I know in some of our
earlier conversations, I indicated to you that I don't
want this to be. Hey, here's a The month cut, you
know, get lean, get freaky as you would describe it and then
just blow up again. And and so I'm sure you'll
recall you know, even before I a month before my photo shoot I
was reaching out to you asking you about.
Okay. How do we do this?
We reverse dieting I really want to kind of be disciplined with
it and be under control because when it comes time for my next
cut I know will still take six or seven months but But I don't
want to be at the starting point.
I was at, I wanted to be a really slow, gradual, cut and
exceed the results and our discussions.
We are really focusing on doing a lot more leg training this
time around. And seeing if we can build
those, what is your current weight?
I'm 170. I think. 176 this morning.
Yeah, so you're just over, you know, ten pounds.
Like you're within that whole 10 12, 15 pounds from stage, wait
and what your calories at at the moment.
You know, I'm at 2405. So it's been a gradual increase.
And I'm going to continue to increase them probably when
we're working through. I'm going to try to see where I
feel at 2600 calories. Yeah so you are, I mean you're
set up for Success man. I mean at the same intake before
you were at your you are at a heavier weight than you are now.
And your body is starting to kind of stabilize, your kind of
reaching that metabolic Baseline.
That point at which your maintenance calories are within
reach and you haven't blown up. I mean, right now, we leaned
down your photo shoot was. Let's see here on three 19, 20
22. It is now 66 2022.
So the fact that you have not blown up and you're not 40
pounds over stage, wait, I mean that's all I need to know that
note to know that you're set up for Success.
You've got a good healthy Baseline that you're not going
to have to lose 60 pounds. And next time, you lean down.
So imagine having the same amount of calories.
He's to work with or roughly the same amount of calories, but
you're only having to cut, you know, 15 20 pounds as opposed to
60 pounds, your ability to retain the lean muscle tissue.
You built is going to be enhanced, your ability to enjoy
that process and not have to buy down near as aggressively as
going to be improved. You want to do near as much
cardio. So everything just gets better
and plus your body's been that lean before.
So it's going to be easier to achieve that.
And then also, you know, go beyond that because it's not
going to be a new thing to your body.
Yeah, definitely. I'm excited for fall 2023 and
that kind of schedule. And so I keep emphasizing fall
of 2023 because I don't want to kind of adjust from that plan.
It's so tempting as you indicate numerous times in the book.
You know that, okay, I'm ready to start cutting again but that
I want to be in this for the Long Haul.
So when we're talking again in 10 years, and I'm about to do a
show when I'm 70 that everything will be positive, then as well.
Yeah, that is 100% the right mentality, man.
I feel like, I feel like very few people have that mindset,
but that's the mindset that everybody should have dumped.
Because if you're just, and I spoke about this on podcast at
nauseam, like if you're constantly just in a deficit and
not if you spent more time in a deficit than you aren't a
surplus, you can't possibly get better at a sustainable rate.
Like, it just doesn't work that way.
You have to spend more time building than you spend cutting
on average roast, you just simply not going to look
improved. You have to After your, now, you
can probably break those rules a little bit.
If you're a newbie, and your kind of racking in those
beginner gains, but if you're a seasoned lifter and you've kind
of, you know, you've been training for five-plus years 10
plus years, then then your ability to add a whole bunch of
lean tissue, especially at a lower intake, is just going to
be substantially hindered. So you have to give yourself
that time in a surplus. Absolutely.
I and I think my age probably factors into that as well.
Robert, whereas, you know, the longer kind of reverse dieting
and Every I give myself, then the better I will look and
compete. You know, 18 months down the
road. Yeah, totally agree.
Well, what is, what are some other things that you're excited
about? I mean, it coming out of the
prep coming out of that. Just insane amount of rigidity
around tracking, macros going to the gym training and just being
like the quintessential definition of disciplined.
What was it that you are most excited about the kind of return
back in your life and and just continue going forward and a
more enjoyable relaxed right now.
So I would say that I'm a bit more relaxed in the gym with my
workouts. I still follow, you know, the
Eighth Day Workout cycle that I followed while I was doing that
my cutting phase but I do feel like I owe move away some days.
I'll just walk in and say you know today I feel like doing
just more of a functional fitness, so Be a hip, using some
kettlebells things like that. It just a bit more freedom.
I feel another is a bit more freedom with my diet.
I if we do go out for dinner I give myself.
You know I am still tracking macros daily.
Robert will know this that I used my motto through all of
this was discipline equals Freedom, which is stolen from
Jocko and it's a good one, but I Really, I really feel like when
I'm disciplined with my food, I'm disciplined with every other
aspect in my life and I think the last six or seven months has
really shown that. I'm excited.
That one thing. When you and I were talking
early on when we were kind of just getting started, you asked
me, what was one of my biggest concerns?
Number one was, you know, being successful at this and then not
blowing up after number two was staying healthy.
They threw up there. So at my age, you know, with the
odd shoulder and knee issue, I just wanted to make sure I was
staying healthy and so I think we really focused on, you know,
not over doing it. Making sure I got lots of sleep
and really just talking through, but there was a never, an issue
with a shoulder. Bugging me, what were some
alternative exercises and that type of thing.
So, I was thrilled to say that other than covid, I went through
this heavier training with no issues at all.
Oh yeah. I mean there was I mean I don't
I don't recall any issues that would inhibit us from the
training or anything. I mean honestly you were any
like slight tick up like like the, you know, the shoulder or
something like that. I mean, we were able to work
around that and then when I seem to have a an issue in the grand
scheme of things and like I said, in the beginning, you were
you were on top of the macros, you know, at all times.
And I think, you know, you kind of got we were alluding to this
before we start recording but you know really just making it
super simple. Like taking the the macros for
the week and then making it a pretty much the same meals for
the week which honestly like a lot of people would find that to
be incredibly boring. I suppose it is there's not much
variety if you're eating the same thing every single day for
a week but I feel like from a from a, from a Effectiveness
standpoint, if you have a goal in mind, trying to reach a
certain composition lose body fat, build muscle, whatever if
you can control for the variables to that degree of See
and then it, you owe it to yourself to see how much more
progress is made when you do that, because it's honestly
astonishing. If you're tracking all your
Macros and consistent with it but you're eating something new
every single day and there's just no way to really know
within a degree of certainty. You know what foods, your body
responding well to versus what ones are not.
And you compare that with the degree of accuracy of eating,
the same thing every single day for a week at a time as long as
that same thing, as you know, good.
Good balanced nutrition, good quality, you know,
micronutrients and macronutrients, you know,
minerals and everything your ability to, just get things
honed in and really just know with 100% certainty.
What is working and what is not working.
It's just exponentially more Amplified.
I totally agree and I'm not sure that hit home originally Robert.
So you mentioned Effectiveness but I would also add to that the
efficiency. So it was just so much easier
with food prep. I know you had mentioned it to
me in our conversations like that, you eat generally the same
thing for a week and then, if you're, you know, altering
macros, you may add an egg or take off some ground beef, or
however it works. And I don't think that really
hit home. Me until I read the book.
So probably about halfway through the seven months that we
were together doing this cut is when I realized, I'm just going
to eat the same thing for an entire week and meal prep was so
easy. I definitely didn't get sick of
anything ever. And if I started to not like
something then I just swap it out, you know, for the next few
weeks. But I mean, generally, I like
you, I'm a lot of bags. I'm a lot of Of ground beef and
of course, my go to nighttime. Snack is some pork.
Rind is dipped in sour cream and I kept that going strong until
about the last month of the cut and then I remove those as well.
Well, the thing is like when you're in a deficit and when
you're, you know, decreasing body fats and you just hitting
everything on a day-to-day basis, like you arm, you're
going to be hungry, all right? That's just kind of comes the
territory but if you're eating The same thing and that sounds
very monotonous and there's just a total lack of writing that and
people listen to this. No my gosh I couldn't possibly
imagine doing that when you're in a deficit and you are that
hungry, you don't think of it as feeling deprived you you?
You're excited for that meal. Even if it's the exact same
thing, you've eaten for the past three weeks because that is your
lifeblood that is your that's your energy source.
Like it's not like something that you that you are no longer
looking for to specially with, you know, ketogenic diet with
more fat. Macros, like if you were,
there's been times in my life where I was living off of, you
know, tuna and broccoli and, you know, Bland bowl of chicken
breast. And that one is a little bit
harder to get excited about, but if you're eating, you know,
flavorful things that have a good amount of fat in there.
It's hard to feel like you're deprived when you're eating
that, you know, 100% agree, I would often have the cha Falls
as well excluded in there and basically make like a Hamburg
and using the Truffle as the bun.
I very, very rarely did. I feel deprived, you know,
before our call today I kind of went through.
My, I have a book, it's just my Kido Savage book, I call it and
I have kind of quotes and helpful things and you know,
highlighted in certain colors things.
I need to remember, for the next time, we go through the cutting
phase and one of on, one of my SOS calls to you, you indicated
that your wording was Was you just need to be comfortable with
being uncomfortable? I don't think you said you, but
we need to be comfortable with not being comfortable.
And that one really stuck with me.
When we were going through that through the tapering component
that cutting phase. It was so true.
Yeah. 100% man hundred percent. Well, let me ask you this since
you are so diligent about tracking your Macros, but
obviously everything else to tracking, you know, the
conversations tracking quotes, tracking these things that I
didn't even realize you're tracking.
What are, what are some things that I can do to be better as a
coach? I mean, what are some things I
can do to be better for you? Next time we were together for
your next competition prep, what are some things that I can add
to any future editions of the book?
Like how can I be better? Because you are somebody whom, I
respect immensely. I value your feedback and I just
am curious for anything that I can improve upon based off of
you working so closely with me for so long.
Thanks, Robert. If you would have asked me that
question. Five months ago, I would have
said write a book. So I really don't have anything
to add now. The book is, I mean, I still
pull it out and read some of your, your different work out
some of the recipes. And I can, when I start my next
cut, I mean I will start at the beginning again and read it.
I have read the chapter on the tapering Mac Pro's probably 20
times without a job with a Joking.
It's quite true. It's very well written.
I really can't think of anything off the top of my head that I
would, like, done differently from a coach client perspective.
Awesome. Well, if anything comes to mind
by all means, let me know. Like, this is something like,
coaching is something that I'm passionate about because it just
keeps me sharp. I mean, I feel like I can I
could read nutritional studies all day long.
I can listen to podcasts all day long.
I could have podcasts all day long but I Ink working
one-on-one with people like yourself.
You know real life people everyday people that have a goal
and want to reach that goal and the best way possible.
Most optimal manner possible. I feel like continuing to do
that as, you know, part of my part of my business Endeavors,
part of my day-to-day, that makes me a better businessman
and makes me a better Coach. It makes me a better person, and
it keeps me humble, and it keeps me keeps me learning like it.
Cats, like, I learned something new every single time I work
with, you know, a client, because everyone brings their
own unique, you know, background into the picture, they all have
their own unique goals, they will have their own unique
history, and I feel like it just makes me I get so much from like
I feel it's almost selfish at times that I'm coaching because
I get from, it's probably more than some of my clients do at
some point because I feel like I'm just so much more enriched
as a result of that relationship.
So same is true with you. You, you know, by far because
you have been just an outstanding client to work with
you are now someone I consider to be a friend and like I said,
at the very beginning, I genuinely look forward to every
communication interaction. We have.
Well, that's nice to hear. Thank you so much Robert.
I mean, the are seven months together has been absolutely
life-changing. I can't ask for more.
I certainly I know there's probably times where you don't
want to post Instagram or YouTube, I find them Those posts
to be extremely motivating, you know, seeing Sean a few months
after me on your Instagram feed and, you know, other success
stories and other hints and studies, and that type of thing.
It really just keeps me engaged and moving along.
So, if there's days where it's, you know, there's other things
to do. I know.
You're only slightly busy being a dad, coach and entrepreneur, a
husband. A bodybuilder, you know, the
podcast, the YouTube just know that it really does impact.
Probably not only your clients, a lot of other people out there
as well. Well I haven't really talked
about this yet man, but I think there is there's a lot to be
said for doing things with people that you respect a lot of
a lot to be said for doing things with an emphasis on
camaraderie and I think there is value to be had and going
through hard things with other people that are Like minded.
So you said that you're doing a prep with the intention of
peeking fall of next year. Correct follow 2023.
Alright, so that is the exact same time that I'm going to be
doing my prep. So we're going to be prepping at
the same time and I'm going to figure out some kind of cool way
to intertwine that and make it like this experiential
experience. A little journey for people that
want to be going through it at the same time.
I'm and haven't really worked out the Kinks on that yet, but
we'll make that worth everybody's while and I'm super
excited. Be prepping alongside you as
well as coaching you because I feel like there's just a lot of
value to be had in that. Oh, that would be amazing.
I would be honored and thrilled to do that.
Parallel to you, for sure, and I have joked with you often that
we're hoping that you can send through FedEx your legs.
So that I can use those for my show, when it's time to hit the
Age a man. Well you're bringing up the
legs. There's no doubt about that.
Every time you were sending a check in photos.
I mean obviously we're getting leaner but you've built a lot of
quality size to like you've got a lot more lean tissue.
I mean you're getting better on all fronts and definition and in
muscle maturity and just, you know, size shape and symmetry
man. So, keep doing what you're
doing. Thanks so much, Robert Peter.
Where can people go to find out more about, you don't know if
your, are you trying to become more active on social and kind
of build and promote your own brand?
So to speak, No really. I shared this with you late
after my prep that you reached out to me and said I'd like to
post you on my Instagram feed and I said that was actually one
of my goals that I haven't shared with Robert.
And sometimes when things got tough, I would think, oh, man,
you want to be on Roberts, Instagram feed.
So I was actually honored and thrilled when you did seek my
approval to be on there. So really, that's the last Step
on my Instagram was just the repost of Roberts so I am that's
not really why I got into this. It was more for my personal
Venter and gain. I am on their The Hope Reds fan
22 on Instagram. As I'm a Nashville Predators
hockey fan and so you could find me there.
Well you should you should definitely and you know, I don't
want to force your hand by any means, but I feel like if you
were to start posting Ting your journey, more publicly.
I feel like you will benefit from that, you know, in ways
that I can't even begin to describe as you go through the
remainder of your building phase and your cut.
I mean, for me by putting myself out there publicly, when I'm
doing hard things and know that people are, you know, expecting
something of me. It holds me that much more
accountable. So I feel like if you were to
mirror that and your own way with your own style, that will
only benefit you that much more. when you go through this next
prep, Yeah, that I totally agree Robert and that makes total
sense, so I will definitely give that some consideration.
Awesome, awesome. Peter always a pleasure man,
definitely keep in touch brother.
You've got to you getting all my contact info so I will Point
your, your social profile out there so people can follow along
if they're interested in your journey because hopefully you'll
start posting more. But yeah, man.
Like I said, the very beginning, I just really appreciate you.
I value our relationship, you've been an absolute pleasure to
work with and I'm excited. To see the journey continue to
unfold because I have no doubt that it will continue to be
incredibly inspiring. That's amazing.
Thank you so much, Robert for everything.
It was just a life-changing seven months and I'm just
absolutely thrilled. I can call you a friend and I'm
looking forward to kicking some ass in Fall of 2023.
Right? Beside you.
Hey, man. I've got no doubt that you'll be
kicking some ass. I mean, you are literally
redefining what is possible at your age.
And I think that It is incredibly commendable.
It gets me hyped up and excited so keep keep proving the
naysayers wrong. Keep doing what you doing,
brother? Thanks so much.
Robert take care of Peter, take care.