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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes. 

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Ketose a.com. 
And today I've got special guest

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Seth Lieutenant on the line and 
we're going to dive into all 

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things diet. 
So he has done several different

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types of diets. 
He's done the ketogenic diet. 

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He's done super high protein 
version of ketogenic diet. 

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He's done flexible dieting. 
He's done it all. 

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Now, he's back on the ketogenic 
diet and he's learned so much 

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through each of these different 
stages to reach these different 

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dietary experiments. 
And I wanted to kind of pull the

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curtain back and learn from him 
and see what he's experimented 

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with. 
And why, and what he's learned 

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in that Journey. 
Yeah, I learned a ton. 

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I thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

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Enjoy following along with his 
content on social, and I just 

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wanted to bring him on the 
podcast and dive a little bit 

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deeper. 
So sit back, relax and enjoy the

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podcast with Seth. 
We are laughs Seth away, 

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brother. 
I'm doing well. 

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How are you? 
I'm good, man. 

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I'm good. 
I'm excited to chat with you 

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because you've been, you've been
following me on social for I 

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want a man, like, I remember 
interacting with you. 

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Like when I first started, keto 
Savages, brain is a business. 

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And in that time I've seen you 
do all kinds of different 

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experiments, do all kinds of 
different diets. 

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And now you recently made a post
that you're back on keto. 

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So I kind of want to just peel 
the curtain back, dive into, 

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that whole journey and 
evolution, as to what you've 

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done, what's worked? 
What hasn't worked and why 

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you're now doing keto again. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Yeah, gosh, that was probably 
2017 and you know to my 

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knowledge that's kind of when he
do really started to kind of 

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blow up. 
So, you know, I guess to to 

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rewind a little bit, you know, I
guess let's see I would have 

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been close to 13 or 14 years ago
when I was a little younger, 

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obviously, I you know, I started
having some health issues, you 

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know as Ben, wait, and I was 
talking to my sister and she's 

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got, she's got Hashimoto's 
hypothyroid. 

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You know, you normally see, 
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right? 
And she said, well, you know, 

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you could go do some blood work 
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going on. 
And so I did and sure enough 

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had, you know, thyroid 
antibodies, and my thyroid 

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levels weren't great. 
Eight. 

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And, you know, got an ultrasound
and had some, you know, nodules 

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on my thyroid. 
So all not good things. 

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You want to hear from a from an 
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So we're like symptoms that you 
experience in that led you to 

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believe something was up. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, it's a lot of those just
kind of, like, your typical like

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feeling tired, you know, 
obviously weight gain, you know,

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I'm struggling with the energy 
that sort of thing. 

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So, Those are the primary 
symptoms for me. 

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You know, when you look up 
symptoms for for hypothyroidism.

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It's like a mile long. 
So it's it's highly variable for

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a lot of people, you know, some 
people, you know, they'll start 

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to lose their eyebrows or their 
hair, or they have skin issues 

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or their, you know, typically a 
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Like, they'll get cold or 
extremities or cold there, you 

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know, basal body temperature is 
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your 98 Degrees. 
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So, you know that happened. 
And you know, I started on the 

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typical route of, you know, I 
went to an endocrinologist and 

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he prescribed some Synthroid and
then you kind of go through this

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cycle of you, take the dose for 
a couple months and then Joe, do

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blood work and then readjust, 
you know, depending on the 

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results of that blood work. 
And you know, the dosage is kept

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under going up and up and up and
eventually, you know, and I 

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wasn't really feeling like I was
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that. 
So I kind of dug around talk to 

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some friends and family. 
I got pointed to a different 

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doctor and he kind of started to
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A little brought more broadly 
and Put me on a different 

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medication which is like 
naturally desiccated thyroid 

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hormone. 
So tired hormone, but it's got a

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little bit of the active thyroid
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you know all about that. 
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feel a little bit better, but we
started, you know, looking a 

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little more broadly at my blood 
work and you know, some of the 

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things I came to light. 
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was 130, which is not great. 
My my testosterone was super low

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and my estrogen was a little 
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glucose, you know shitty 
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trifecta of of metabolic, you 
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So he You know, in retrospect, I
wish you would have told me this

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but so he put me on a 
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something like that and it 
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but I kept Takin it, we switched
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seemed to work a little bit 
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And when I say work you just 
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work. 
What were your numbers that what

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was the depth of your 
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the cream and what they get up 
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If you remember? 
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I'd have to look back at my 
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it was like in the 250s. 
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It's a pretty low and the cream 
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four or five hundred range 
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who you ask and you can look at 
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total testosterone, and shbg, 
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well your body is actually using
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Right? 
Mhm, so, the numbers got up 

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there, but, you know, so I just 
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ended up switching doctors 
because I had a job opportunity 

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that the movement into a 
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So, The doing that. 
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lifestyle was heavy, heavy 
travel, as probably traveling 

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for work 50, to 75 percent. 
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not lend itself to any sort of 
consistence habits of diet or 

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exercise it can, but for me it 
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So I, you know, I was getting 
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point, you know, I got up to 275
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Depending on how much muscle you
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but it was probably under 
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And so, you know, taking these 
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think there's a misconception 
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levels adjusted and maybe your 
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there's some sort of magic 
solution, right? 

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That it's just going to, you can
just keep doing everything 

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you're doing. 
And things will just improve 

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right? 
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You're going to see, you're 
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improvements but you know, I 
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to, you have to make changes in 
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those medications be effective 
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So fast forwarded to 2017. 
And I had a pretty life-changing

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My previous wife passed away. 

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Suddenly. 
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accident and that really kind of
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things, right? 
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No, grieving over my wife and 
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And, you know, you can kind of, 
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At that point, you could decide 
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and just kind of, you know, eat 
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to try to feel better, or you 
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really start trying to focus on 
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your Your mental well-being. 
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the choice I made. 
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I can't remember how I stumbled 
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I can't remember if it was like 
a Facebook ad or if I read 

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something somewhere, but but at 
some point I joined, I want to 

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say it was one of What are the 
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Because there was a couple and 
so that kind of started me down 

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down the path with keto. 
So, you know initially what I 

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gleaned was you remove 
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and protein and and you lose 
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I mean that's that's kind of at 
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to me, right? 
I think that's the general 

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populace conception of the 
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So, so that's what I did. 
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didn't taper off. 
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removed and I even, I even went 
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So I removed all grains, all 
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sweeteners and and really, 
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kind of Hardcore Tito and an 
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Actually, I had some great 
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quick. 
So, you know, started eating 

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keto weight kind of started 
dropping quickly, you know, when

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you get that kind of momentum. 
if you know, working out starts 

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to feel better and, you know, 
that's like what are the other 

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things that Is tough for people.
Because like, if you're, if 

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you're overweight and you're 
uncomfortable and someone 

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sitting there telling you well 
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It's not, it's not always the 
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So, I think I think the little 
initial kind of wins by starting

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Quito and feeling good about it 
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about myself, you know, I 
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the gym everyday had no idea 
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Way. 
If I could give anyone advice, 

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they're starting to get healthy 
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first because I feel like I 
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doing random shit and all the 
stuff you saw on YouTube, right?

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Yeah, exactly, you know, YouTube
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intimidation. 
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the free weight area. 
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movements until much later, 
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Just because you don't want to 
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like everybody's looking at you.
I mean, it's typical typical gym

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Noob concerns, right? 
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So yeah, you know, I did keto 
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know, you learn more about it, 
you kind of learn this and that 

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And this is right before covid 
and everything started that, you

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know, I had I kind of got into a
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little bit of in the mindset 
that with Quito somehow you 

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could just as long as they're 
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and stayed in ketosis and 
avoiding carbs that the weight 

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should just continue dropping 
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And so it's weighted it stopped,
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28% body fat 29, something like 
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And so so the the pandemic hit 
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kind of faced with two choices 
there, right? 

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It's like, well now I can't go 
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home and eat it either really 
poor diet and feel bad about the

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situation and make excuses for 
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You know, continue to continue 
to progress and a healthy way or

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try to make it work. 
So so I did I, you know, I 

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somehow scrounge together a 
couple couple of dumbbells and 

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at the time, they were really 
hard to find because everybody 

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was trying to do the same thing 
right there, trying to Cobble 

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together these like, a black 
market for gym equipment at the 

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time, man. 
Oh, dude, like, I found this kid

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and I thought it was genius. 
He was pouring stuff. 

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And dumbbells, and and I almost 
bought a sad because I couldn't,

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I couldn't find anything else. 
And I, and at the same time. 

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I joined Rob Goodwin's Facebook 
group, and I was like, you know 

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what? 
I'm gonna hire him for a little 

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bit and because he posted some 
deal is like just nutrition 

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training. 
I was paying for his full 

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package and he set up macros and
those macros for me at the time,

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were so different than what I 
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that is and, you know, you've 
had robbed on the podcast before

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he kind of because it does a 
little more protein. 

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First protein, heavy approach. 
Maybe a lower lower ratio of 

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energy macros and it tends to 
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know, that's the thing to they 
everybody's different. 

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Some people can't slam like, you
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having a lot of distractions. 
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completely focus on my diet. 
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backyard gym workouts and you 
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about 15 percent body fat, which
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been and you know, those were 
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and astonished and So, so that 
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I was like, well, you know, now,
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get past fifteen percent body 
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I'm going to try this flexible 
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guys, like laying Norton to, and
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pretty balanced approach on the 
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but, you know, he's a big 
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using that to reverse and I 
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like reintroduce carbs for a 
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vilified them for so long and 
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for certain people. 
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groups. 
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maintenance and All of a sudden,
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falling off the rails. 
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foods, and this is a really kind
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identify like, trigger foods for
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of other words for it, but a 
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know, the interesting thing 
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for me. 
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weight loss, you know, a couple 
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this mentality of like, you got 
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got to lose and, you know, so so
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even though I got back up to a 
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waist didn't grow as much as it 
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perspective, you know, I think 
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in the part, you know, the 
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muscle but it's just, it can be 
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seeing that scale. 
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completely identify with it 
because I went through it, you 

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know, I would say that there's 
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that that scenario, you know 
having a smart scale that shows 

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you and I know they're not 
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they get you close enough, 
especially if you're using the 

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same tool to measure from one 
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really kind of helps which my 
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watching the scale go up. 
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value, go up and keep an eye on,
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I'm out and then the estimated 
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put on a lot of weight, my body 
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increase significantly or at 
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pounds. but 28% body fat right 
now, you know, I cut down to 195

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and then I was at 15 and then I 
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only at 22 percent body fat, so 
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weight technically, but the body
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completely different than where 
I had started before. 

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Yeah, I think the reverse diets 
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building phase is something that
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because you don't want to hear 
that in most of the conversation

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in the keto space. 
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intermittent fasting. 
Here been extended fasting, you 

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hear about protein, sparing 
modified, fast and eaten 700 

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calories, but you don't really 
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at a surplus. 
Us for a longer period of time 

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than you eat at a deficit, and 
that is so incredibly important.

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Yeah, and, you know, especially 
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problem with keto because people
always go to Quito to lose, 

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right? 
And you know, this better than 

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anyone, probably in the 
bodybuilding spaced is very few 

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individuals. 
You'd be like, Oh, I'm gonna do 

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a game face and I'm going to do 
a keto. 

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Yeah, aren't anybody? 
I think I may be one of the few,

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right? 
So so the whole discussion 

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around like, You know, maybe 
it's time to stop losing trying 

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to lose weight and it's time to 
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And, and if there's a lot of 
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that are starting to, you know, 
talk that way, you know, another

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person I follow and I, you know,
I think her messaging is great. 

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Is dr. 
Gabriel lion. 

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Always talk to you about, you 
know, the importance of muscle 

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and how, you know, the Obesity 
crisis is not. 

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People being over fat but so 
much of people being under 

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muscle, right? 
So, you know, as a Keno 

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influencer or educator, I could 
see that being incredibly 

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difficult to get, you know, get 
people to wrap their heads 

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around as is, you know, it's 
it's not only about loss. 

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You really need to focus on what
you're gaining to. 

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It takes so much time, man, like
people don't like playing the 

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long game. 
With anything because I mean, I 

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mean once you like when you 
first start working out and you 

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can probably attest to this when
you first started lifting, even 

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though you didn't know what you 
were doing in the gym and you 

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took a while to get to the 
freeway section, but you 

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probably put on a pretty good 
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those New Beginnings, but then 
once you have that new, 

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beginning phase come and go, and
you're more of a, seasoned 

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lifter, like, you're lucky if 
you put on a couple pounds of 

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muscle a year and that's not 
going to make, you know, 

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tremendous change in the scale. 
Wait, in people, they don't like

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hearing that, you know. 
Oh, yeah, it's a total. 

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It becomes a total grind and 
either you have to love it or 

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you don't you should find 
something else to keep you 

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active. 
Right? 

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But yeah, it's that it's that 
immediate gratification. 

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And I you know, I posted 
something about that recently 

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just because this time around it
was it was really astonishing. 

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So back to, you know, what are 
the other topics that we're 

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going to talk about is why I 
went back to Quito is so, you 

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know, I towards the end. 
Last year, I got a to a pretty 

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eat pretty healthy weight as 
like, alright, I need to, I need

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to get some of this off of me 
and I mean, unhealthy weight. 

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And I, and I just knew that I 
knew for me and this isn't the 

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case for everyone. 
And a lot of people do flexible 

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dieting, very successfully and 
more power to them. 

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But I knew for me that if I 
tried to cut Doing flexible 

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dieting. 
I would not be successful. 

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I just I came full circle and 
realized for me personally. 

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One, I think I do. 
Need those kind of mental 

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guardrails on on my dietary 
choices. 

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And and this is one of the 
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re realized after starting keto,
again. 

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Is that my my hunger and my food
focus is much lower doing, he do

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that. 
It was when I was just eating, 

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you know, whatever. 
So, you know, After being about 

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a week into it, I noticed that, 
you know, sometimes lunch would 

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pass and I just I forgot about 
it and when I was you know, what

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I'd reintroduce carbs, I was 
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Like what am I having the next 
meal? 

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When am I having the next meal? 
So that was a big you know that 

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that was a big shift in a good 
thing to remember about, you 

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know, maybe why for some people 
like myself why Quito is such a 

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powerful Full way to way to eat,
you know, it's just it works for

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me. 
It keeps me my adherence higher.

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I like, I genuinely enjoy the 
foods. 

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And you know, what are the other
things I noticed is towards the 

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end of, we'll just call it my 
bulk. 

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But towards the end of me, just 
getting fat. 

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I started noticing those 
afternoon crashes again, like 

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and I had Didn't I hadn't had 
them in so long, does like oh, 

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yeah. 
This really sucks. 

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Hmm. 2 p.m. 
To 2:30 p.m. 

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Slump. 
Would, you know, I found myself 

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taking naps sometimes I'm like, 
can I do not? 

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Now? 
I'm not an adverse is so that 

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that's gone. 
Now, I don't have the afternoon 

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slump anymore, you know, so it's
just little things like that. 

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Just kind of, you know, you kind
of forget about it after After a

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year of of eating whatever you 
want. 

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Yeah. 
So now, you know, it's 

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unfortunate that that Quito is 
become. 

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Kind of vilified. 
Right? 

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Right. 
So, you know, like I said, I 

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follow guys like laying and he's
actually pretty even-keeled when

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talking about Tito or low-carb, 
but there's a lot of a lot of 

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doctors in the space that like 
to make fun of it, you know, you

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know, everyone doing Quito is 
drinking butter and, you know, 

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eating bacon and and you and I 
know that it doesn't have to be 

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like that. 
Yeah. 

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Now, it's interesting man. 
I'm one of the reasons I was 

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excited to get you on this 
podcast is because you've done a

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variety of diets and a lot of 
people have not done a variety 

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of diets and they see success 
with one thing. 

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Then they become dogmatic in 
that one thing that listen the 

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never leave their Echo chamber. 
And for me, like, I've done a 

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whole bunch of diets as well. 
Most of, which were long before 

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keto, like, I've done the road 
adding. 

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I've done the Table dining. 
I've done them carb back loading

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up that all these things and 
then found success with keto. 

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But that doesn't mean that I 
totally discarded, all the 

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benefits that came from those 
other diets. 

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I kind of took what worked for 
me and discarded, what didn't? 

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But there's a lot that I, you 
know, lean on with regard to 

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flexible dieting. 
Like, there's a lot of good that

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comes from flexible dieting. 
Honestly, if you just still kind

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of my protocol him down to, you 
know, the simplest form. 

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It's kind of like Dieting with a
ketogenic macronutrient 

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distribution and you know, 
ketogenic Foods basically. 

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But a lot of the concepts and 
natural or in flexible dieting 

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or worthwhile Concepts that a 
lot of people in the keto space 

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aren't hearing and we'll never 
hear if they don't look outside 

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the record chamber. 
So I've appreciated that about 

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you because you follow a variety
of people, you post things on 

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your social that most people in 
the keto, space aren't posting 

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and some of that I agree with. 
Some of it, I don't but I 

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appreciate. 
I appreciate the difference of 

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opinion. 
I appreciate a variety of 

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thoughts, and I feel like if we 
all can do that collectively and

443
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learn from one another, then 
we're all going to be better for

444
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,000
it. 
Yeah, I mean a couple of those 

445
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,500
dogmatic things that benefit, 
you know, I feel that I learned 

446
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:12,400
from my experience of flexible 
dieting and you know one thing 

447
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,100
that I don't think people 
realize about flexible dying. 

448
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:20,500
It isn't just hey my calories 
today or 2100 and that means I 

449
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:24,000
can eat 2,100 calories of 
Twinkies. 

450
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,700
There's there is nobody in the 
nutrition space that that's a 

451
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Hold it. 
A flexible dieting that will 

452
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,500
tell you that, I mean, at least 
most the people I follow. 

453
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,300
They say, look, you've got a 
nail your protein. 

454
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,200
It's got to be an adequate 
amount. 

455
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,300
And then, yeah, however, you 
want to distribute your energy 

456
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:48,000
if you want more fat or more 
carbs or whatever, than do that,

457
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:52,700
right, but it's not just like 
just eat whatever to get to that

458
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,900
caloric threshold. 
Right? 

459
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,200
And I mean, I'm sure there are 
people out there that do that, 

460
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,700
but that's not really the basis 
of it. 

461
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:02,100
It. 
And that is one of the things I 

462
00:31:02,108 --> 00:31:08,700
kind of took away from. 
It is one the way I approach 

463
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,900
keto now is, maybe a little bit 
different than other people. 

464
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,300
I think I feel like maybe Thomas
de Lauer. 

465
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:18,400
Does this too. 
But I tend to gravitate now. 

466
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,500
Two more leader proteins. 
So I'll go for, you know, 93 or 

467
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:29,200
96%, ground, beef chicken, you 
know, breast meat obviously, you

468
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,800
know leader. 
Dishes, and then, I'll back, 

469
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:36,800
I'll back load and my fats, so 
from various sources, so, you 

470
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
know, to hit my, you know, to 
get some fats in. 

471
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,900
I'll throw in some avocado, or 
obviously cheese or, you know, 

472
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
whatever other fats, or sides 
decide on. 

473
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,700
And I do that personally because
I just find it easier to one. 

474
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:56,600
Make sure I hit my protein goal 
and I, you know, it's really 

475
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,300
tough. 
To hit macros, sometimes when 

476
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:06,400
you have a decent amount of fat 
coupled with that protein, so 

477
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,200
it's like if you want to get the
protein in while then fats 

478
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,000
coming along with it. 
So, you know, unfortunately, I 

479
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,500
don't I don't go after Cuts Like
ribeye very often anymore. 

480
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Just because one I've kind of 
feel the fat content is highly 

481
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,200
variable. 
So if you're trying to cut that 

482
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,500
becomes A little bit of a 
nuisance. 

483
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,500
Yeah, totally. 
So I don't, I mean, I don't know

484
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,500
how I mean. 
I know you, you know, you you 

485
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:39,500
typically eat fattier Cuts, I 
kind of think that you can get 

486
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,300
away with it because you've got 
a lot more muscle mass than most

487
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,300
people. 
I don't say you want to do 

488
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,600
steaks though. 
They might cut if I'm not like a

489
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,200
competition prep because they 
are a lot more variable. 

490
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:52,800
I'll typically go for fattier 
ground beefs as opposed to a 

491
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,300
steak which is going to be all 
over the place. 

492
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,500
Macro standpoint and and to your
point though. 

493
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,400
I think there's a huge benefit 
in getting leaner sources of 

494
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,200
protein and adding quality fats.
If you are, unsure of the 

495
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,000
quality of the fats in fattier 
cuts of protein affect. 

496
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,900
A lot of people that are buying,
you know, super fatty cuts from 

497
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:15,000
bottom shelf, you know, Walmart 
grocery stores where they don't 

498
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,200
really know the quality of that 
protein or that fat. 

499
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,100
That's probably not going to be 
an optimal fat source. 

500
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:24,100
So, gravitating towards a leaner
cut and then adding, you know, 

501
00:33:24,108 --> 00:33:26,300
all of Of oil, avocado. 
Something like that's probably 

502
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,400
healthier. 
Yeah, absolutely, especially 

503
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,100
with the ongoing, you know, 
lipid debate on whether or not 

504
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,700
saturated fat is good or bad or 
or you know, poof has or those 

505
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:43,500
good or bad, you know, I kind of
mix in some of the maybe more 

506
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:48,100
traditional thinking these days 
on, on my fat content and you 

507
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:52,200
know, anyone can feel free to 
blow me up on on Instagram if 

508
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:58,900
they disagree but You know, it's
so I the protein thing is a 

509
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,400
really important take away and 
you know, it's funny. 

510
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,600
I had a friend the other day. 
He's like, hey, man, I really 

511
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,100
want to lose 10 or 15 pounds. 
He's like, I know you know, you 

512
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:10,400
do Ketone. 
You're like keto. 

513
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,900
I don't think I'm I don't think 
I want to go that hard. 

514
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:17,000
So like what what suggestions 
could you make to me? 

515
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:20,600
I said, look man, there's some 
really easy things you can tweak

516
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,199
in your behaviors that don't 
require you doing. 

517
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,300
Something, you know, as Extreme 
as a vegan diet or a ketogenic 

518
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,100
diet, or a carnivore or 
whatever. 

519
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,100
I said. 
Look, you know, if at every meal

520
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,100
you focus on protein, make the 
protein, the star of the meal 

521
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:43,100
don't make him created a meal 
out of just noodles, right? 

522
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:49,600
Stop drinking sugar. 
So, don't, you know, if you 

523
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,699
drink juice, stop drinking 
juice, obviously if you drink 

524
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:56,500
sugar. 
Cut that out because liquid 

525
00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:01,300
calories or are probably the 
worst kind of calories, and I 

526
00:35:01,308 --> 00:35:04,100
don't care what what diatribe 
you're in. 

527
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,300
Like, I think everybody will 
tell you that for the most part 

528
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,000
and I was like and start walking
after dinner with your family. 

529
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,300
Every every day. 
I love it and he started doing 

530
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:20,000
those things and started seeing 
results and you know, so 

531
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,900
sometimes it's just little 
little behavioral tweaks. 

532
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,700
That I add up to bigger a bigger
thing. 

533
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:31,000
And so, I mean, I definitely 
learned a lot of those behaviors

534
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,600
to. 
It's like, it's not so much just

535
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,500
to count macros and follow a 
diet plan, but it's, it's just 

536
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:43,200
all the healthy behaviors that 
you start to kind of learn and 

537
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,600
adopt, and they become like him,
they become part of your 

538
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,900
lifestyle. 
Rather than 0, this is some new 

539
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:52,200
thing. 
I'm having to do right now, you 

540
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,600
know, ya think? 
That's why I have such a hard 

541
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,700
time with people that do these 
crash diets or you know, crazy, 

542
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:04,700
caloric restrictive, diets or 
anything that is challenges. 

543
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:05,600
Yeah. 
Or anything. 

544
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,300
It's just not sustainable. 
Like it's just it's it's it's a 

545
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,700
further embedding this 
philosophy of Quick, Fix 

546
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:18,400
mentality into the people's 
brains that are doing it. 

547
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,200
And that's never the, the 
underlying Foundation of 

548
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,900
philosophy. 
You want to base your decisions 

549
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:24,900
on. 
So I've always We said that if 

550
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,000
it's not something that you look
forward to doing, you know, for 

551
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,400
a lifetime, then it's probably 
not worth doing anyways, and I 

552
00:36:31,408 --> 00:36:32,900
mean there is some Nuance to 
that. 

553
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,000
I'm obviously like I don't plan 
on being as strict as I would 

554
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,500
with a competition prep for my 
lifetime, but I've made doing 

555
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,500
preps in a sustainable manner, 
you know, really good and 

556
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,800
healthy for me. 
Like I enjoy it for that time 

557
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,600
that I do it. 
But then a couple that with a 

558
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,700
period of being in a surplus 
where I'm not tracking as 

559
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,800
strictly, and I feel like that 
is super important people. 

560
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:56,200
I don't know, man, like people 
they get. 

561
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,500
So they get so short-sighted on 
reaching a honestly is up. 

562
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:04,600
Oftentimes superficial goal and 
they're willing to sacrifice all

563
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,500
for a very finite period of time
but then when they remove 

564
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,400
things, when they feel like 
they're going with that when 

565
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,800
they feel like they're 
sacrificing, they are so much 

566
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
more likely to binge or Purge or
whatever in the opposite 

567
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,700
direction to try and make up for
that quote. 

568
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,600
Unquote sacrifice, they went 
without, so if you don't ever 

569
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
feel like you're sacrificing, 
you're much more likely to 

570
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,300
continue seeing Positive 
results. 

571
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,500
Yeah, absolutely. 
And I think finding, you know, 

572
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:35,100
finding that. 
That balancer or whatever is 

573
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,000
sustainability to you 
personally. 

574
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,300
Write. 
So I know for like for you and 

575
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:43,400
Crystal you guys are happy 
eating a very strict, ketogenic 

576
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,100
lifestyle and you have no 
desires to kind of stray beyond 

577
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,100
that. 
And I'm pretty sure she probably

578
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,400
eats a little bit differently 
than you. 

579
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,300
But in general, that's kind of 
kind of your bag, right? 

580
00:37:54,300 --> 00:38:00,000
And you know, where where my 
wife and I kind of landed. 

581
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:07,400
In our 10 Aikido lifestyle is we
will eat keto. 

582
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,600
I would say 90, 95 percent of 
the time and times that we don't

583
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:22,800
are very intentional and it's 
it's something that like say for

584
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,000
instance, like I really like 
pizza. 

585
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,400
Okay. 
Well, I'm not going to not eat. 

586
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,900
Keto Pizza just for some garbage
like like Pizza Hut or Dominos, 

587
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,700
right? 
If I'm if I'm going to have 

588
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,700
pizza. 
It is literally going to be the 

589
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:44,800
best pizza in town. 
Yeah, like for me it's like it's

590
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,600
got to be like for me. 
It's got to be worth it. 

591
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,400
It's got to be worth the 
Excursion into into having some 

592
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,000
carbohydrates. 
And that is that works for us, 

593
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
right? 
So it's kind of a special thing.

594
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
It's a special event. 
We go. 

595
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,800
Do, we have a great great dinner
and then we move on and we and 

596
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,500
we go back to eating eating our 
energetic lifestyle and and it's

597
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,100
all good. 
And that's what kind of keeps it

598
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,600
sustainable for us. 
I think, you know, other people,

599
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,200
maybe do it a little bit 
differently. 

600
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,400
I just kind of found that that 
in part of the reason for that 

601
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,600
for me is like Some of the keto 
substitutes are fine, but like, 

602
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,100
for me, I'd rather just not have
it at all. 

603
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,600
So like, you know, early in my 
Quito journey, I would make the 

604
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,300
keto piece pizzas. 
I make the fat do crust or the 

605
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:44,500
chicken crust and kind of sit 
there and Kid myself that it was

606
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:47,300
like, as good as the real thing.
And then at some point, I was 

607
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:50,400
like, look, if I'm gonna have 
pizza, I'll just go have pizza 

608
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,700
and then, and then, you know, 
continue on my ketogenic 

609
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:59,000
lifestyle because The 
invitations for me were just not

610
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,200
not worth the effort. 
So, yeah and see, I've got no 

611
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,900
qualms with that at all, man. 
Like, if you're able to 

612
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:08,000
recognize that have enough, 
self-awareness, no wind to, you 

613
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000
know, pull the reins in after 
that meal and you're able to, 

614
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600
you know, moderate that and do 
fine with it. 

615
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:17,800
I mean more power to you, as far
as I'm concerned, I'm strict, 

616
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,000
keto, Crystal stick. 
He do? 

617
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,700
We have been for seven years, 
but that's not something that I 

618
00:40:21,707 --> 00:40:24,200
ever want to come across as 
pushing on to other people. 

619
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,300
I think there's some Um, that's 
what they absolutely perform 

620
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:31,600
best at and prefer to do. 
And for me, I like to be able to

621
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,500
Showcase, you know, my life as 
an example for something that 

622
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,500
they could do in a healthy, 
sustainable manner, but I'm not 

623
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,800
in any way shape form or fashion
saying that everybody should do 

624
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,200
what I'm doing. 
Yeah, especially, you know, I 

625
00:40:44,207 --> 00:40:48,400
can see from from, you know, 
from your position in 

626
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,700
bodybuilding, the specially. 
I think it's it's a pretty 

627
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,400
powerful message and visual for 
you to be able to say look like 

628
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,700
Strict heat. 
Oh, I don't do carb backloading.

629
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:03,600
I don't do timed carbs and 
somehow I'm still at Peak 

630
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,000
Performance. 
And and, you know, basically 

631
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,300
against all Bro, Science, right?
So it's a really cool thing and 

632
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:16,600
anytime that, you know, someone 
says I do you can't, you can't 

633
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,800
body build without carbs. 
I always pointed to you because 

634
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,500
it's the most most obvious 
example of it. 

635
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:31,200
So you know, I think the other 
thing that I'm seeing more of 

636
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,600
that, I honestly stop following 
a lot of Quito influencers, or 

637
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,100
even just Fitness in fluids in 
general, as I feel like like 

638
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:44,800
social media has gotten to this 
point where People really 

639
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,600
majoring in the minors. 
Now. 

640
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,100
Yeah, we're we're like what I 
think most people actually need 

641
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:56,300
is just a solid foundation of 
the basics of whatever route, 

642
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,000
you know nutrition and exercise 
is going to help them. 

643
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,600
But, you know, unfortunately 
that doesn't sell. 

644
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,200
It's not click Beatty enough but
like, you know, for me, if I was

645
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,500
just starting on a ketogenic 
Journey today. 

646
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,500
Someone someone telling me that 
artificial sweeteners, they're 

647
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:19,300
bad and this food isn't clean. 
Or that food is not clean. 

648
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,900
I mean, that's just going to add
stress and confusion to me whose

649
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:25,600
I'm just trying to like lose 
some weight, right? 

650
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,200
I'm trying to get healthy, but 
like I can't imagine like if I 

651
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,200
had this laundry list of things 
that I can't do on top of 

652
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,000
avoiding carbohydrates, it just 
becomes untenable. 

653
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,700
So like for me, it's like it 
almost sets people up for 

654
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:45,600
failure when we're ready. people
either trying to did buy the 

655
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,200
latest supplement or or avoid 
all these things that maybe, you

656
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,900
know, once you get healthier, 
you can start focusing on like, 

657
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:58,800
yeah, maybe maybe I should 
remove some so much artificial 

658
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,200
sweeteners, or maybe I should 
kind of focus on having less 

659
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,900
seed oils in my diet, but I 
think for a new, for a new 

660
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:11,300
Layman, like, I don't see how 
people do it. 

661
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,000
Yeah without really stressed 
out. 

662
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,400
No, I totally agree minute. 
It's kind of been one of my big 

663
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,300
frustrations as well because I 
think I don't know why that's 

664
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,100
the case. 
But I feel like there's so many 

665
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,500
people that have been in the 
keto space for enough years. 

666
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:30,700
Now that those people have, you 
know, figured out. 

667
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:34,000
It's kind of like the underlying
foundational stuff that works 

668
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,200
with keto and you'd only, right?
So many books about how to Carbs

669
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,800
and fat high and, you know, kind
of like the macro distribution 

670
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,800
split. 
So, after that's been met, after

671
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,700
that demand has been reached. 
It's like, okay. 

672
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:49,800
What else can we dive from sink 
our teeth into? 

673
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,200
So they go to the seed oils. 
They go to the, you know, organ 

674
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Meats, they go to the fruits in 
the honey debate. 

675
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,100
They go into uric acid, they go 
into everything else and all 

676
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,700
those things are super important
and I'm eager to learn more 

677
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:07,500
about it because I'm curious 
about it, but for anybody that's

678
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:10,500
coming into the space. 
Space because they see a 

679
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,200
magazine at the checkout counter
at the grocery store. 

680
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,200
It says, hey, you can lose 
weight with keto so they started

681
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,300
Googling Quito and they see all 
this other minutiae. 

682
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:19,400
They're going to be like, what 
the hell am I doing? 

683
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,300
Yeah, and honestly, quite 
honestly to, I mean, it just 

684
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:29,000
from a practical standpoint. 
It could get really expensive, 

685
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,500
really fast. 
So, you know, so if I'm Joe new 

686
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:38,100
Dieter and all of a sudden I'm 
being told to only eat grass fed

687
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,800
meat. 
Only have passion braced legs. 

688
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,800
No, artificial sweeteners. 
And let's its Stevia or 

689
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,500
whatever. 
No. 

690
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,400
Seed oils. 
No keto Foods because they're 

691
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,000
not clean. 
Yeah, and let's say, I make like

692
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,100
forty five grand a year, like, 
what am I buying? 

693
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:02,100
You know, I'm in a lot of those 
Specialty Foods. 

694
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000
I mean, if you can buy that way,
awesome, like sometimes, I will 

695
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,200
buy grass-fed for me. 
Like My biggest Takeaway on some

696
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,000
of the, you know, we're, you 
know, Organics out there or 

697
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,500
Foods where I notice a big 
difference. 

698
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:22,700
If I go in a pasture raised 
organic direction is hands-down 

699
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:29,100
eggs, like you can notice just 
from a taste perspective, the 

700
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:31,400
massive difference between the 
two, right? 

701
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,000
But some of the other things 
it's like, am I going to notice 

702
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:42,600
a huge difference between me, 
you know, drinking a z via and a

703
00:45:42,607 --> 00:45:47,800
Diet Coke? 
Probably not right now. 

704
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,100
Like if I'm someone who's 
chasing down maybe some some gut

705
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:56,300
dysbiosis or something. 
Maybe it's a good idea to start,

706
00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:59,100
trying to eliminate things. 
They can be problematic. 

707
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,200
But that's a whole different 
discussion. 

708
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:02,900
Yeah. 
I totally agree. 

709
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:07,300
Totally agree. 
How does the keto community and 

710
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:10,600
the people that are putting on 
information hedge against it 

711
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,200
though? 
Like, I don't know the solution 

712
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,000
to that problem. 
Because I don't I can't imagine 

713
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,300
they're going to start back 
track and then go back to 

714
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:19,900
creating content around the 
basics. 

715
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,200
Again, you know, because like 
you said, that's not as 

716
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,700
appealing. 
Yeah, it's tough because and 

717
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,400
again, it's not Sensational, 
right? 

718
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,600
So, you know, you've been in the
space for a long time, a lot of 

719
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,800
people know who you are. 
But at the same time, if you 

720
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,200
know, if you're if you focus on,
you know, number of followers, 

721
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,000
like, you know, in general, I 
would say Savage has less 

722
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,800
followers and some other key to 
a person like totally. 

723
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,600
So you so you have to ask. 
Okay. 

724
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,100
Well, why is that, you know, 
because Roberts like a super 

725
00:46:55,100 --> 00:47:01,200
smart guy, very accomplished, 
you know, writing books has a 

726
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:04,700
stellar keto product out in the 
market, you know, why doesn't he

727
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:10,900
have half a million followers, 
you know, and quite honestly, 

728
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,600
it's a double-edged sword 
because one of the reasons I I 

729
00:47:14,607 --> 00:47:17,100
continue following. 
You is probably the reason why 

730
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:21,200
that is and it's because I don't
see you doing doing cessation, 

731
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,300
Sensational things. 
I don't see you throwing shade 

732
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,000
at, you know, different 
different influencers out there 

733
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,900
like the at one thing about that
for a second because that's 

734
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:36,500
that's worth bringing some 
attention to. 

735
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:40,000
I think that is absolutely why 
so many people's platforms have 

736
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,500
grown exponentially, and I think
that it's just Sad reality. 

737
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:49,100
I think when you have to resort 
to talking shit about other 

738
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:51,600
people and were to grow your own
platform. 

739
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:55,600
Your message is not that great, 
like your personal message is 

740
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,100
not that great. 
And it may be great. 

741
00:47:57,100 --> 00:48:00,000
But there's a forget who I think
it's a Jim Rohn quote, but he's 

742
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,300
like, there's two ways to have 
the biggest skyscraper in the 

743
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:04,400
city. 
One is to build the biggest guy 

744
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,400
straight from the city and the 
others that are everyone else 

745
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,600
was down. 
And I feel like when we resort 

746
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,300
to just throw-in shade and be - 
as are, you know, primary 

747
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Weapon, it's like that. 
I don't want any part of that. 

748
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,100
I will gladly have my 38 
whatever thousand subscribers as

749
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,900
opposed to 380,000. 
If that's what it means. 

750
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:29,800
Yeah, it's it's a funny thing 
because some of it. 

751
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,900
You know, some of it is well 
intended. 

752
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:38,600
So, you know, he hate going back
to the Lane Norton all the time,

753
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:45,000
but he's a good example of kind 
of both sides of that coin. 

754
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,900
So often. 
He will, he will have regular 

755
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:52,900
content about some BS. 
He saw and took talk or 

756
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:56,100
whatever. 
And I do think that's like 

757
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,700
useful because it's like kind of
debunking some really terrible 

758
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:02,000
advice. 
Right? 

759
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,200
But at the same time, you know, 
depending on the tone of the 

760
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,400
content, it could kind of come 
off as as like, as a personal 

761
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,300
attack. 
So it's a really, it's a really 

762
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,900
fine line, you know. 
What's what's well-intended in 

763
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:25,300
useful and maybe, what's what's 
just Sensational? 

764
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:32,400
And like like you said, like 
talking shit, so, You know, I 

765
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,700
think at the end of the day you 
just stick to your guns, right? 

766
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:41,700
You just you do you do what you 
do best and I think people 

767
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,900
recognize when someone is 
genuine and you know, and plus 

768
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,800
success isn't isn't only that 
number on on Instagram or Tick 

769
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,400
Tock or whatever. 
Right? 

770
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,200
It's where you can find success 
in other ways. 

771
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:02,300
Yeah, totally. 
And I mean To tip my hat to 

772
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:04,200
Lane. 
Like, there's a lot of things 

773
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,700
that I learned about natural 
bodybuilding from Lane long. 

774
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:11,000
Before I ever got into the 
ketogenic space. 

775
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,600
I mean, he was putting out 
information on bodybuilding.com 

776
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,400
around natural bodybuilding long
time ago. 

777
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,100
I mean, I remember reading his 
articles and blog posts way back

778
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,700
in like 2012 are 14 or something
like that. 

779
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:30,200
But you know, there's a lot that
I've learned from him and it, 

780
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,800
It's hard for me to see him 
talk, very negatively towards. 

781
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,300
A lot of people that I you know,
sometimes I agree with that. 

782
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:39,700
This stuff laying saying a lot 
of times I give this airplane 

783
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,800
saying and I feel like a lot of 
people in the keto space would 

784
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,600
benefit tremendously from also 
falling some of the left stuff 

785
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,200
Lane saying, I don't like seeing
negativity, but I mean, like you

786
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,500
said, there's there's a fine 
line between debunking things 

787
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,900
and, you know, being a positive 
light and drawing attention 

788
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:03,500
towards Truth and truth is, I 
mean, what is truth? 

789
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:05,100
Like how do you define truth? 
Who knows? 

790
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,600
And people that are, you know, 
putting out post and putting out

791
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,900
content to Simply drive, you 
know, cliques and and be totally

792
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:17,100
outrageous, you know, they may 
need some debunking, you know, 

793
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,100
they may need to be put in their
place, but for people that are 

794
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:23,400
truly and genuinely trying to 
just do good and be a good 

795
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,400
person and share information 
that they believe to be, you 

796
00:51:26,408 --> 00:51:29,900
know, good healthy quality 
information, even if it's 

797
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:32,600
something You don't agree with. 
I don't see any benefit in 

798
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,900
tearing their character apart, 
you know, yeah, it's kind of a 

799
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:40,400
funny thing because I think, you
know, while the intention is to 

800
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,600
discredit or debunk, you know, 
someone's content. 

801
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,800
Unfortunately, at the end of the
day, it just drives more more 

802
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,300
attention to that person. 
Right? 

803
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:59,400
Like I see, you know, a lot of 
there's a lot of is a ton, a ton

804
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,500
of shade. 
Round at the liver King right 

805
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,600
now, right? 
Because he's super Sensational. 

806
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:11,300
He says crazy stuff or whatever,
but every post about how crazy 

807
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,600
he is, just drives people to his
page. 

808
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, he's been blown up. 

809
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:23,900
So like, you know, it's almost 
it's like good for him. 

810
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:25,700
Right? 
Like if that was, if that's the 

811
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:29,200
intention that it completely 
worked right from a marketing 

812
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,900
standpoint. 
So, I don't know. 

813
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:36,200
I don't know how you think so. 
Yeah, I don't know any man and I

814
00:52:36,207 --> 00:52:37,800
don't know. 
I don't know the freaking all 

815
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,600
the answers. 
I have no clue all the answers. 

816
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,500
Like I am not a medical 
professional. 

817
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:44,200
I'm not a scientist. 
I'm not conducting formalized 

818
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,900
research and random control 
trials. 

819
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:48,900
I'm just simply living my life 
experimenting and like go 

820
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,500
working with clients. 
Seeing what I learned from them 

821
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,300
and then trying to Showcase and 
share that information, the best

822
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,000
way I know possible. 
And that may mean I make big 

823
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,500
mistakes and it when I make 
those mistakes, I try and own 

824
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,500
it. 
But I feel like, you know, as 

825
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:06,100
long as your intentions are pure
and you're doing the right thing

826
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:10,000
for the right reasons, people 
should be fairly forgiving of 

827
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,800
mistakes that you make. yeah, I 
think I think especially if you 

828
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:21,400
If you acknowledge an owner up 
to those Corrections, right? 

829
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,600
Like let's say you used to say 
one thing or used to believe one

830
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,700
thing and new data or new 
information presented itself. 

831
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,700
And now you have changed your 
position on that. 

832
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:35,500
Right? 
I think that's completely fine. 

833
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:39,300
I think I think people are 
normally going to want it. 

834
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,800
Want to see that in want to hear
that and know that, you know, 

835
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,200
just like anyone else your, your
fallible. 

836
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,500
You're able to grow. 
You're To learn new things and 

837
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:56,300
apply it, you know effectively. 
So it kind of goes back to like 

838
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,200
not being so dogmatic, right? 
Yeah. 

839
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:03,300
We're learning and learning from
from from everyone rather than 

840
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,900
just learning from a from an 
echo chamber. 

841
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,000
Yeah. 
Well, it's cool seeing you, you 

842
00:54:08,008 --> 00:54:11,700
know, Duke he does--he success 
with that change up the style of

843
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:15,000
Quito you're doing gravitate 
towards a much higher protein. 

844
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,000
See success with that. 
Do flexible dieting, take some 

845
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,100
things from that. 
See success in some ways, then 

846
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,800
come back to Quito because with 
what you're doing in your face 

847
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,700
right now, that makes the most 
sense for you and I feel like 

848
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:30,600
that is admirable for sure. 
Like there's a lot of people 

849
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,500
that there's a lot of people 
that do things. 

850
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:39,700
They've had that they have a 
stance that's so hard and fast 

851
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:41,600
that they aren't willing to 
learn. 

852
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,300
Aren't willing to experiment, 
aren't willing to try new 

853
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:45,600
things. 
And some people could accuse me 

854
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,000
of that because You know, I am 
super strict keto, but a lot of 

855
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,900
people don't realize that I 
tried so much different types of

856
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,200
experience before that. 
So, like, for me, I know what 

857
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,600
I'm doing, and I know that it 
works well for me, but I applaud

858
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,200
the fact that you're willing and
able to try new things and see 

859
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,200
what sticks and have enough 
self-awareness to know what's 

860
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,300
best for you. 
I think it just comes with 

861
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,500
knowledge, right? 
Like you the more you learn, the

862
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:15,300
more you understand about things
and then Things, become less 

863
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,900
less scarier. 
Less daunting or less unknown, 

864
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,200
that there's that quote about 
what is it about doing? 

865
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,000
What you do? 
Do, what you do, what you've 

866
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,600
always done and get was get what
you've always gotten, right? 

867
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,300
And I think it was Henry Ford or
somebody but That's the thing. 

868
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:40,800
Like, if you, if you're just 
going to be stuck in a mode and 

869
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,100
expecting some sort of better 
results. 

870
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,400
You're never going to get it, 
right, because you just going to

871
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,900
get what you what you're always 
going to get. 

872
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:58,100
So yeah, I think it's just, you 
know, always learning always 

873
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:01,900
evolving like so in my in my 
professional career and 

874
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:06,700
basically like an Industrial 
Engineer, and so we follow like 

875
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:11,000
Six Sigma and lean business 
principles and there's there's 

876
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,300
this core tenets of it, which is
this felt dmaic. 

877
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:20,100
Which is Define measure analyze 
improve and control. 

878
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:27,900
And you can, you can almost take
that methodology and apply it to

879
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:31,100
your own life or even, you know,
since we're talking that you can

880
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:34,200
apply it to diet. 
So you did you define the 

881
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,200
problem. 
You take measurements you 

882
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,700
analyze those measurements or 
those outcomes, you make an 

883
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:47,400
improvement based on what you 
analyzed, and then you control 

884
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,100
that Improvement and see if it 
is effective. 

885
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:52,900
Right? 
So that's kind of, that's kind 

886
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:59,400
of how I kind of look at things 
and approach, really most things

887
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,300
in life. 
I think that's a good, you know,

888
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:04,200
code of rules to live by, for 
sure. 

889
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,500
Because it prevents you from 
Coming dogmatic and it forces 

890
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:11,600
you to you know, be strategic be
analytical towards your 

891
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,600
environmental factors and the 
things that you're changing and 

892
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,300
manipulating and I feel like in 
the context of diet nutrition. 

893
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,800
Like if you're doing that with 
any change that you make, you'll

894
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,800
have feedback that you can make 
a measurable spot response to my

895
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,500
me. 
That's why I love doing a 

896
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,600
competition prep because I'm 
literally tracking everything 

897
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,700
and I dial things into the 
utmost degree. 

898
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,500
A lot of people that you know 
aren't analytical aren't. 

899
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:38,000
Coming from an engineering 
background, aren't you? 

900
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,200
No strategic in their changes. 
The change way too many things 

901
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,900
at once, and they have no clue 
what the catalyst is, but, you 

902
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:47,000
know, being strategic like 
you're talking, I think that 

903
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,700
makes a lot of sense. 
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's 

904
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,000
easy to find yourself in that 
trap too. 

905
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,300
When you change too many 
variables at once. 

906
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:03,400
You know, I used to be a walking
Pharmacy of supplements. 

907
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,800
When I first met my current 
wife, she would show up with my 

908
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,400
suitcase. 
And it would just be filled with

909
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,300
all these, like, vitamins and 
supplements, and whatever. 

910
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,300
And she's like, how do you know?
How do you know what? 

911
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:21,900
This is do it. 
And I was like, you know what? 

912
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:27,200
That's a good question. 
I don't like, I'm just I'm just 

913
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,500
taking this one cuz this guy 
told me that I should start 

914
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,800
taking it and I'm taking this 
one because I you know, saw some

915
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,300
advertisement that it's going to
improve something or other. 

916
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,500
It's at some point. 
I just took it all away. 

917
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:43,700
And now you know now my 
supplement stack is like maybe 

918
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,000
you know, two or three things. 
That is one thing that I am, 

919
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,300
this isn't probably specific to 
Quito specifically, but One 

920
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:53,900
thing I do like about the kid 
Jake lifestyle is that when 

921
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:57,200
you're prioritizing, I feel like
at the essence, most the keto 

922
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,100
Community tries to prioritize 
quality Source, single 

923
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:02,100
ingredient foods, like in a 
perfect world, that's kind of 

924
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:04,500
where they're pushing. 
And if you're doing that the 

925
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:09,400
need for supplements is minimal.
And if you're doing you know, 

926
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,800
enough calories, you're not the 
crazy deficit in, you're eating 

927
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:15,000
mostly proteins and fats, your 
satiety is better. 

928
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,100
So honestly the in the day you 
just dr. 

929
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:19,000
Karen supplements. 
Not to carry around Tupperware 

930
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,700
full of food. 
And just make life easier. 

931
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, I mean this this whole 

932
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,600
idea. 
That you know, this supplement 

933
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:35,100
is going to somehow boost or you
know, add some sort of 

934
00:59:35,107 --> 00:59:37,200
multiplier towards what you're 
doing. 

935
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,000
I mean, 90% of the time. 
It's complete BS. 

936
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Unfortunately. 
Yeah, option. 

937
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:48,900
I'm sure as well as yourself. 
I have found a few things that I

938
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:56,400
can see an actual difference. 
One of them is obviously the 

939
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,300
type of Museum that I take and 
there's a few others, but other 

940
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:04,400
than that like, you know, 
obviously we all know that fat 

941
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,700
burners are complete bullshit, 
you know things like CLA or 

942
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:13,700
L-Carnitine that is supposed to 
metabolize fat better. 

943
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:19,200
It's like just again, it's like 
it's I think it's that immediate

944
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:25,400
gratification lifestyle yet. 
It's like these, you know, 

945
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,800
people start doing those things.
Because they think it's going to

946
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,600
some sort somehow accelerate, 
you know, whatever they're 

947
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,300
trying to do at the time. 
But at the end of the day if 

948
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:41,700
they would just nail the basics 
and you know be consistent then 

949
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,800
those pills don't matter. 
Anyway, yeah. 100% man. 

950
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,500
I mean the only supplement that 
I can feel a difference from is 

951
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,100
electrolytes. 
So sodium, potassium, magnesium,

952
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,800
and then caffeine. 
That's the only thing I could 

953
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,800
feel a tangible difference from.
I can't feel it. 

954
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,800
France with creatine people tell
me, they can feel the difference

955
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,800
of creatine and maybe they 
can't. 

956
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,600
Maybe some people are more 
responsive to it than others. 

957
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,900
I feel like there's enough 
science to back the efficacy of 

958
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:08,900
creatine. 
So I take it, but I cannot feel 

959
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:12,600
any different with it. 
Yeah, you know, I I've tried to 

960
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,000
be consistent with creatine 
myself and, you know, people 

961
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,200
always talk about, it's going 
to, you know, increase mulch 

962
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,600
muscular, you know, fluids or 
whatever. 

963
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,800
I've never noticed a difference 
either and I I guess some people

964
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,300
just are, maybe not very 
responsive to creatine. 

965
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,400
One of the other supplements. 
I've always wondered about 

966
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:40,100
because they talk about it being
like a pump enhancer, but it 

967
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:42,200
doesn't seem to matter how much 
I can take. 

968
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:44,400
I've never noticed differences 
l-citrulline. 

969
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:50,100
I mean, l-citrulline is supposed
to be like the, you know, 

970
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,700
vascular Improvement supplement,
but I can't say that I ever 

971
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:59,000
noticed a difference if Take 
Elsa trillion before workout or 

972
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,400
not. 
Yeah, I've been playing around 

973
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,700
with a bunch of non-stem 
pre-workouts that have 

974
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:08,600
l-citrulline, that have a little
bit of Glycerin in there. 

975
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,700
And I mean, I get a good pump 
for sure, but I also get a good 

976
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:15,200
pump if I don't take anything, 
so it's hard for me to quantify 

977
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,900
if it makes a tangible 
difference. 

978
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:19,800
Yep. 
Yep, and I mean some of it 

979
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,600
sometimes You know, people just 
have to go through that Journey 

980
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,600
themselves, right? 
They got to buy all the stuff. 

981
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,700
They take all the stuff and 
realize all the stuff doesn't do

982
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:30,200
anything. 
Yeah. 

983
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,900
I mean, you certainly save a lot
of money when you realize that 

984
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:34,900
it doesn't. 
And some of the stuff, like, 

985
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:38,700
I've really tried to sink my 
teeth into, like I've tried a 

986
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:41,300
bunch of the different, you 
know, microgreens panic because 

987
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,000
it's like it's convincing 
argument. 

988
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,900
Hey, if you're eatin keto, like 
meat-based, you're not going to 

989
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:48,000
get in as many vegetables. 
You're missing out on all these 

990
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,600
things. 
So it should do this micro 

991
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,800
greens powder every single day, 
and I've And then and I can't 

992
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,600
feel a difference. 
Is that the honestly think I 

993
01:02:54,607 --> 01:02:57,900
feel a little bit worse that my 
digestion is more irregular. 

994
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:00,100
So it's like, I just can't 
justify it. 

995
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,900
You know. 
Yeah, you know, that was one of 

996
01:03:02,908 --> 01:03:05,100
the other things I picked up 
from flexible dieting. 

997
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:08,800
So, I think, you know, going 
into coming out of Quito and 

998
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,100
going into flexible dieting. 
I had formed this my mindset 

999
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,900
that basically vegetables were 
bad. 

1000
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:22,000
They were to be avoided, even 
even ones with like, Animal 

1001
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,300
carbs, I didn't really consumed 
very often, right? 

1002
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:28,900
And then coming out of flexible 
dieting, like one of the things 

1003
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:34,700
I enjoy now about certain 
vegetables is a satiety and bulk

1004
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,600
standpoint. 
So I like, you know, lots of 

1005
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,800
green veggies or big salad just 
because it's it's low energy 

1006
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,100
bulk in a meal. 
So I, you know, if just for me 

1007
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:51,200
personally, just straight fat 
and protein. 

1008
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:57,600
Sometimes are very, you know, 
satisfying and so having that 

1009
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:02,000
that decent amount of broccoli 
or green beans or something. 

1010
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,200
Really, you know, really works 
better for me, at least. 

1011
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,100
Especially if I'm, you know, 
dropping calories. 

1012
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:11,000
Yeah. 
And see. 

1013
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,500
I like and I like broccoli. 
I like brussels sprouts. 

1014
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:15,500
Like, I like eating for the 
flavor. 

1015
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,900
One thing. 
I've noticed when I'm doing like

1016
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,000
if I'm in a really steep 
deficit. 

1017
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:26,600
If I Do a bunch of vegetation. 
I'll have that the fullness 

1018
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,700
factor from that bulk. 
But it's not like a satiety from

1019
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:34,400
like a satisfaction standpoint. 
I have the the blow to have the 

1020
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,400
volume but I have like this 
underlying gnawing hunger that 

1021
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,900
still exist. 
If that makes sense. 

1022
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,300
Yeah, especially if it was like 
a relatively lean meal, like, 

1023
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:48,500
you know, it's funny, but maybe 
it's just the difference of a 

1024
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:51,100
couple percent percent of fat 
butt. 

1025
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:56,000
You know, chicken is probably 
the least, satisfying thing for 

1026
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:01,200
me, in terms of proteins. 
So, I don't know how, I don't 

1027
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,000
know how traditional 
bodybuilders do it because I'll 

1028
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,900
take 93 or 96 percent beef, / / 
chicken any day. 

1029
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,900
What's, it's weird because I 
know what kind of running over 

1030
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:12,000
time. 
I don't keep you here too long, 

1031
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,500
but in the keto space I've seen 
like it's funny man. 

1032
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:20,400
Like I've seen these massive 
surges in which people are given

1033
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,200
protein a And saying it all 
approaching the world and then 

1034
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,200
I've seen the exact opposite in 
the Spectrum where people are 

1035
01:05:25,207 --> 01:05:28,600
saying, minimize protein, a 
bunch of fat and as is true with

1036
01:05:28,607 --> 01:05:31,200
most things, it's somewhere in 
the middle there. 

1037
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:36,200
But like, if I was to eat pure 
fat, I wouldn't be satiated. 

1038
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,900
If I was to eat pure protein. 
I wouldn't be satiated protein 

1039
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:41,000
has a higher thermic effect of 
food. 

1040
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:44,700
But if you just eat a whole 
bunch of chicken breast, I 

1041
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,600
guarantee you're not going to 
feel truly satisfied because 

1042
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,200
I've done. 
I've been there done that. 

1043
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:50,900
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1044
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:54,000
It's Like, you know, the people 
the folks doing like protein 

1045
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,400
sparing modified fast. 
Like I've never done woman and I

1046
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,900
never will it just sounds? 
Yeah, it's just me him 

1047
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:03,700
miserable. 
I mean, it kind of just goes 

1048
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:07,100
back to her saying, I mean you 
want to find what sustainable 

1049
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,800
but nobody know, full, grown 
adult should sustain for any 

1050
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,400
length of time, you know, four, 
five, six hundred calories. 

1051
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,000
I mean, that's literally what 
the recognition is for a six 

1052
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,000
month, old infant and I know in 
a perfect world The Protein 

1053
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,400
sparing, Modified fast is only 
for two or three days. 

1054
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,300
But the problem with human 
psychology is that people see 

1055
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,800
some weight loss in those two or
three days and they start 

1056
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,800
spending more time, doing 
protein, sparing modified fast 

1057
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,200
than not because the people that
are advocating for these aren't 

1058
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,800
also advocating for the 
importance of her proper reverse

1059
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,600
diet and spending time in a 
surplus. 

1060
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,300
Right? 
Right. 

1061
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:44,500
So all of a sudden, all of a 
sudden you're, you know, you're 

1062
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,700
getting your body accustomed to 
living off of five and six 

1063
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,100
hundred calories multiple times 
a week. 

1064
01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:55,200
We multiply that across months 
and and all of a sudden you're 

1065
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,400
just in a really bad position. 
Thank you. 

1066
01:06:57,700 --> 01:06:59,800
Bingo. 
We'll shoot me. 

1067
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,800
Where do people go to follow? 
Along on your journey. 

1068
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,800
I know you just recently made a 
new Instagram that documents 

1069
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,000
your nutrition your training, 
right? 

1070
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:08,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1071
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,100
I did. 
You know, I kind of felt like 

1072
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:14,200
some of my personal family 
members got tired of me post and

1073
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,400
food and workouts. 
Yeah. 

1074
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,100
It's I'm on Instagram. 
Its future. 

1075
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:27,700
Proof PHX, you know, I'm happy 
to chat about anything. 

1076
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:30,700
You know, I've gone through a 
lot with just, my just my 

1077
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:33,300
thyroid and testosterone Journey
alone. 

1078
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:34,900
I've picked up a lot of 
knowledge. 

1079
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:38,400
So, always happy to talk about 
this stuff. 

1080
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:41,500
I like to geek out on it. 
And yeah, thanks for having me 

1081
01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:43,000
on, man. 
Yeah, man, my pleasure 

1082
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,900
definitely keep in touch. 
I'll continue following you and 

1083
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:46,800
learning from you. 
For sure. 

1084
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,400
There's ever anything I could do
it to help in any way. 

1085
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,300
Ma'am. 
Just let me know. 

1086
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:51,600
Appreciate it. 
Have a great weekend. 

1087
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,500
Take care of Seth.