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Well hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com 

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And today I've got special guest
Scott Mize Lenski on the line 

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and we dive super deep into his 
recent endeavor which is a 

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bodybuilding competition. 
He just he's about two weeks 

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post show now. 
He just did his first 

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bodybuilding competition and I 
wanted to peel the curtain back 

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on what that experience was 
like, what his motivation was 

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behind doing one, what it what 
it was like relative to what his

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expectations were at the onset, 
what his post show experience 

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has been like. 
And I really appreciate Scott, 

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he has gone the enhanced route 
as opposed to the natural route 

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with it. 
But he did not leave anything 

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unsaid, like he peeled the 
curtain back on that and talked 

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about everything that he's 
taken. 

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I talked about the pros and 
cons, how to do it the right 

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way, how to do it the wrong way,
pitfalls to watch out for, and 

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was just incredibly transparent 
with going about it with that 

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approach, which I really, really
and truly appreciate. 

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So I've got no doubt that y'all 
will take something from this 

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conversation without further 
delay. 

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Sit back, relax and do the 
podcast with Scott and we are 

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live. 
Scott, How are you brother? 

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Good, good. 
Thanks, Robert. 

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Thanks so much for having me on.
Hey man, I'm excited to chat 

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with you. 
I love talking with other 

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competitors, especially ones 
that have just recently 

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completed their first 
competition because it is quite 

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an endeavor and you are not even
2 weeks post show yet man. 

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Yeah, Hell yeah. 
Yeah. 

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It was an amazing experience. 
I absolutely loved it more than 

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I thought I would. 
And yeah, I'm. 

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I'm just riding on a high right 
now. 

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Well, what? 
What? 

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What was the initial motivation 
for doing this, The prep, doing 

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the show in the 1st place, man? 
Yeah. 

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So I started training for 
bodybuilding somewhere in 2020 

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or 2021, probably halfway 
through 2020, and was just 

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trying to, you know, look 
better, basically. 

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And I started off in, I would 
say not a great place 

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physically. 
I was like 165 lbs skinny fat. 

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I was like 20% body fat on DEXA.
And I, you know, saw a lot of 

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improvements over those years 
and got more and more into it 

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and just more invested in it, 
more obsessed, just living the 

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bodybuilding lifestyle. 
And then last year around the 

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same time, so kind of late 
April, I did a photo shoot and 

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Alberto Nunez actually had a 
really excellent like four or 

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five minute video about why you 
should do a photo shoot 1st and 

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not a contest prep. 
And I was like halfway through 

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my photo shoot prep at that 
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So that was very validating and 
I agreed with a lot of the 

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points he made and I had a great
experience with that. 

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It was really fun getting lean, 
obviously not show lean, but 

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really enjoyed the process. 
And then you know, I was kind of

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thinking about my next goal and 
of course, you know, you get 

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people in the gym and online 
saying you should compete, you 

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should compete. 
But I never really had a desire 

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to. 
And then I just bit the got bit 

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by the bug. 
I was just really excited to 

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test myself to go through that 
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You know, following along your 
your comp preps has been super 

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inspiring, Robert, seeing the 
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from it mentally, spiritually. 
And I wanted to test myself. 

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I wanted to see, you know, just 
on a personal level if I could 

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do it, if I could get to stage 
and I wanted the challenge and I

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wanted something, something to 
work towards and the stars kind 

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of aligned. 
We were getting a our second 

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dog, our puppy, at the end of 
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weren't going to be travelling 
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year because we wanted to be 
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it it just worked out really 
well to do a show in early 

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April. 
I love it, man. 

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I love it. 
The the thing about doing a prep

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that a lot of people that have 
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until they start doing one is 
that it's so much more of a 

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psychological sport than they 
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I mean when you're when you're 
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months into a deficit, your 
calories are low, your sleep is 

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deprived. 
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the scope of just going to the 
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hard. 
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component to it that I feel like
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enough. 
And that's the beauty of the 

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sport, in my opinion. 
Not so much the the figure on 

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stage, but like the actual 
transformative mental growth. 

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100% Couldn't agree more. 
So when you were going through, 

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how long was your prep in 
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So I started kind of like a 
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I went into like a minor deficit
but wasn't really like going 

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full gung ho. 
And then around the start of the

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year, January is where I I 
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So it was like 17 weeks of 
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And yeah, it it, it was, it was 
great. 

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I probably needed last time and 
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shorter, but that worked out 
well because there was a week in

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January where I got COVID and 
was actually in the hospital for

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a week. 
So that was a very intense, I 

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couldn't breathe. 
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90, if you're at all familiar 
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The order ring has it actually. 
Below 95 is when you're supposed

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to go to the hospital, so 90 is 
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My resting heart rate at one 
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fevers. 
I was sleeping less than an hour

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a night. 
I was in a lot of pain. 

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I was the sickest I've ever 
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And then later on in the prep I 
had some really bad digestion 

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issues for like a week and 1/2, 
so it was helpful to have that 

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extra time. 
Well, I want to, I want to peel 

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the curtain back on all the 
different stats, man. 

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So when you started the prep, 
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macro distribution like? 
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Yeah, I I was 225 lbs And I was,
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I don't think anyone would call 
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I definitely had room to bulk 
more, but I also carry body fat 

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really well. 
I'm 5 foot 9 1/2 official height

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from the show and I was probably
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1000 calories and I follow a 
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style diet now where it's 
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rice and some zucchini and some 
fruit and not much else. 

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So I was probably consuming 
around 250 grams of protein, you

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know, 60 grams of fat and the 
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So, you know, 809 hundred grams 
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And what did, what did that look
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deeper into the 17 weeks that 
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what was your calories like 
there at the at the depth of the

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deficit? 
Yeah, the deficit didn't get 

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lower than like 3300 calories. 
So I burned through food and I 

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was losing a good 2 to 3 lbs a 
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And we were also doing refeeds 
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I would go up to 900 or so grams
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So very high food all the way 
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And that's mostly coming from 
rice you said? 

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Yeah, white rice. 
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like? 
You know when you would have 

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those massive bolus of 
carbohydrates? 

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Very good, very good. 
I I can tolerate white rice very

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well. 
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back to my carnivore days, I was
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cheats, no, practically no 
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And then at the end of 2019, 
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married, I was having issues 
where I couldn't maintain my 

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weight on just eating carnivore 
foods, and I couldn't digest 

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more than 150 grams of fat a day
for any consistent period of 

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time. 
I would get bloating. 

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I would get really bad burping 
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far away from meals. 
And I tried everything. 

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I tried switching fat sources, 
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I tried, you know, different 
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and regardless, whenever I went 
above 150 grams of fat I felt 

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great physically. 
But then after like a week of 

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doing that, it would 
consistently get to, I get those

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those issues. 
And so I that just meant, you 

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know, if I need 4000 calories to
maintain my, my weight at the 

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time, I would need to consume 
massive amounts of protein. 

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You know, if you're only 
consuming 100 grams of fat, no 

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carbs, you can do the math on 
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And that comes with a whole host
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You know, having that much 
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peeing all the time. 
You're sweating a lot. 

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You just don't feel great doing 
carnivore with that high protein

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long term. 
And so that's when I started 

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working with Seamland. 
You know him. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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And he advised me, you know, try
having like a banana before bed 

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and and some honey. 
And I tolerated that very well 

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and basically went through a 
whole 30 diet style food 

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reintroduction protocol where 
every three days I would test a 

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new food, not a food group, but 
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And I would have one serving of 
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three days. 
I would note down my digestion, 

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how it made me feel, my energy, 
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And I would keep strict log and 
then after three days I would 

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return back to baseline diet, 
carnivore diet, and then I would

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try a new food. 
And I did that very slowly and I

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found the foods that agreed with
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And my digestion of a lot of 
foods was better than before I 

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did car in 2016 when I started. 
And I found the ones I could 

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tolerate really well, like white
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certain fruits and the ones I 
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broccoli and cruciferous 
vegetables and oatmeal and stuff

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like that. 
So that's how I kind of made the

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switch from carnivore to eating 
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Man, it's kind of crazy if it's 
been three years since you were 

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strict carbon. 
I think that was the last time 

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you and I were on a podcast 
together when you were doing 

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strict carnivore. 
So that just blows my mind. 

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That was three years ago, man. 
That's. 

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Crazy. 
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Yeah, crazy. 
So do you have any idea now, 

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like any theories hindsight now,
as to why your body was having 

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so much trouble digesting more 
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I think it was just insufficient
bile production. 

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And you know, I tried 
everything. 

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You can imagine lipase, 
digestive enzymes, like I said, 

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changing fat sources, things 
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And I could probably, if I did 
it again gradually, I could work

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my way up to tolerating more fat
and maybe I'll do that in the 

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future. 
But I worked a lot with Judy 

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from nutrition with Judy, and we
just couldn't solve the the fat 

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thing. 
And I was in a lot of pain and, 

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you know, not sleeping well 
because I'd be all up all night 

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burping. 
And so the solution at the time 

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was to introduce some carbs so 
that I could eat enough without 

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having those issues. 
Out of curiosity, do you ever 

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drink carbonated beverages or 
no? 

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No, not really. 
Because I was having a little 

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bit of indigestion and I I just 
cut out drinking like Xevias and

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carbonated waters and that 
totally solved my problems 

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because I yeah. 
When I when I do, it definitely 

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makes things worse, but I I 
avoid them. 

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Yeah, it's so strange, man. 
Like, it's really just goes to 

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show that people can be so 
highly individualized when it 

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comes to nutrition. 
I mean, I'm taking in like 450 

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grams of fat a day on average 
right now and my my digestion 

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has been pretty solid. 
Like I haven't had any issues 

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whatsoever. 
That's all. 

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I can't imagine being capped at 
150 grams wanting to maintain a 

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carnivore diet and then have to 
consume the excess in protein to

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hit 4000 calories and that would
be a ton of protein. 

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Yeah, exactly, it was. 
Yeah, no bueno, we'll talk to me

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a little bit about the, so the 
prep itself you're you're 

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getting down, you didn't have to
drop below 3000 calories, which 

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is nice. 
What did you do with regards to 

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like cardio and resistance 
training throughout that time? 

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Yeah, so I I in the offseason, I
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I was doing push, pull leg, not 
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push, pull legs, push, pull 
legs. 

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week, just adding a rest day but
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next week would be pull, push 
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the first ten weeks of prep. 
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14,000 steps, I started doing 
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a week. 
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I gradually got up to 50 
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that realistically. 
Like I probably could have just 

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done it with food, but that's 
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Yeah, well, there's always 
trade-offs. 

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I mean, if you can do more 
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some people find that more 
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more cardio. 
Lots of different ways of skin a

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cat. 
But I think only doing two days 

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a week of cardio is good. 
I mean, some people, they're 

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doing cardio like seven days a 
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is definitely a point of 
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it's just going to be harder to 
recover from the weight training

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and that's what you want to 
prioritize. 

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Absolutely. 
And I I enjoy cardio. 

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I I love doing it. 
I feel good doing it. 

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So part of it was also a mental 
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It was nice to on the days I was
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the elliptical. 
But yeah, absolutely. 

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I'm nowhere near the people who 
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sessions every day or something 
like that. 

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Yeah, totally, totally. 
What about like peak week 

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itself, like with you doing more
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approach? 
How did you kind of go about 

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your peaking strategy? 
Yeah, so like two weeks out, we 

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started adding back in more 
food. 

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We were still doing the refeeds 
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to like one or two refeeds a 
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And then at like 2 weeks out, we
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started gradually increasing my 
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just ripping through food like I
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And you know, by the last week 
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to like 700 grams of carbs a day
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carbohydrate load days at all. 
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the point I wasn't losing weight
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hold it going into peak week. 
So no, no special tricks really,

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just trying to maintain where I 
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good and then you know, kept 
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liters. 
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Thursday I went down to like 3 
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Friday, the show was Saturday 
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more cautious with water leading
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bit of a drier look. 
But still pretty hydrated. 

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I mean 3 liters a day. 
Like you weren't cutting water 

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at any point. 
I felt that felt like very 

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little water to me. 
Yeah, 3 liters is not much, but 

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I mean, I I've heard some horror
stories of people like literally

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no fluid consumption at all 48 
hours prior. 

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And to me, that's just actually 
for disaster. 

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No, no, I think that's pretty 
dumb. 

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Especially when you're using 
carbohydrates. 

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You know you need water to help 
help fill up and store the 

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carbohydrates. 
I don't know what it's like with

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fat loading if it's similar, but
yeah, I I definitely needed some

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carbs to need some water. 
Excuse me to help carry myself 

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into the show. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, you think about it like 
a lot of, I mean, it's like 

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water is what fills out our 
muscles. 

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So like these competitors that 
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know, take a bunch of diuretics 
and and dehydrate themselves in 

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hopes that they're going to 
look, you know, leaner, crisper 

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and drier, It's like they wind 
up just looking flatter and 

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flatter, which is not a good 
look either. 

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Exactly, yeah. 
And I I'm definitely a guy who 

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has a tendency to look flatter. 
Like I said, I burned through 

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food so we weren't aggressive 
with the water manipulation and 

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I am enhanced. 
I'm not a natural athlete, so I 

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but I didn't use any diuretics. 
Nice. 

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Well, what's that happening to 
that man? 

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I mean, if you're open to 
talking about it, I feel like 

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there's a lot of controversy and
confusion around the whole natty

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or not topic and last stance as 
a as a natural bodybuilder has 

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always been like look to each 
their own. 

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I'm not here to judge anybody. 
I want to see what I can do 

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naturally. 
But I mean, I've got multiple 

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friends that compete in enhanced
shows that are enhanced. 

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And it's like, I mean, I 
obviously don't hold anything 

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against them. 
It's like like I said to each 

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their own. 
So what made you go that route? 

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What are some of the changes 
that being enhanced brought to 

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the prep itself? 
I just kind of walked me through

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that. 
Yeah, so I have utmost respect 

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for natural bodybuilders. 
I think it's so cool seeing guys

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like you and Alberto Nunez and 
all the people you coach compete

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at Colt and everyone. 
I think it's awesome. 

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But for me, I was hypogonadal 
coming out of rowing in college 

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and actually had to go on 
testosterone replacement therapy

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medically before I even started 
bodybuilding. 

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So I I didn't have any hopes of 
competing in natural shows 

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because of that. 
And then, you know, just being 

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the scientifically minded, 
curious person and wanting to 

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experiment and try to see what I
could accomplish. 

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I started doing more than TRT 
back in like late 2020, early 

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21, and I was very conservative 
with it. 

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You know, I worked with very 
intelligent coaches who use the 

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least amount you need to 
continue to make progress. 

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And then, yeah, when it came 
time for the show, it was just 

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continuing with that path. 
I'd say, like I said, I think 

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enhanced bodybuilders can get 
away with shorter preps, 

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especially someone like me who 
leans out really quickly like 

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natural bodybuilders sometimes 
have to do 20 to 25 week preps, 

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but that's definitely not the 
case for most enhanced 

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bodybuilders. 
And you don't want to expose 

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yourself to to drugs for that 
long too. 

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So yeah, I was, I went through 
the prep. 

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I used some drugs I hadn't used 
before. 

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Drugs that you usually only use 
in a contest prep like like 

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trend blown. 
But I only used them and my 

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coach only implemented them when
my progress was stalled and I 

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needed them. 
It was never, you know, you're 

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going to take all these drugs 
right from the start it was OK 

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we're at this point progress is 
where it is. 

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We're going to introduce a 
little bit of this to help speed

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things along and we just 
gradually increased going into 

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the show. 
And then, you know, when you get

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like, oh, two weeks out, you 
start cutting a lot of those 

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things out too, to drop some of 
the inflammation, drop the fluid

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and come in with a a more 
relaxed and healthy physique. 

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Yeah, totally. 
This is honestly an area that I 

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have very little knowledge. 
I enjoy listening to podcasts 

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that dive deep into it. 
I listen to a lot of, you know, 

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more plates, more dates, Derek's
podcast and like on Rogan 

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talking about the different 
substances and kind of what 

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their use case scenarios are. 
So I'd love to just peel the 

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curtain back on that. 
Yeah, because I want to learn 

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more about this. 
Not because I'm going to use it 

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myself, but I want to be able to
just be more versed in the 

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subject matter. 
Sure. 

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So before we dive into that 
though, I know you've got a 

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puppy. 
I've actually got a puppy right 

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now, too. 
He's chewing on my foot. 

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You gotta let your dog out. 
I gotta let my dog out. 

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So let's reconvene. 
At 5. 

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Cool. 
Sounds good. 

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Thanks. 
All right, bud. 

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Boom, we are back. 
A quick little deviation here. 

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What kind of puppy you get? 
I have a cockapoo. 

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She's 11 lbs and she is crazy. 
She terrorizes both me and my 

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wife and our older dog who's a 
30 LB Labradoodle. 

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Cockapoos. 
That's got to be a Cocker 

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spaniel and a what? 
Poodle. 

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Poodle. 
OK, nice, nice. 

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We had a Cocker spaniel when I 
was a kid. 

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My mom's dog. 
Super sweet little dog. 

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I've got a Connie Corso now. 
So he's going to be like 150 

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lbs. 
He's probably 40 lbs now. 

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He's 12 weeks old. 
Oh, wow. 

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So quite the beast indeed. 
Well, sweet man, let's just get 

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right back on track here. 
So talk to me a little bit. 

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You said when you got done with 
rowing you were you've taken TRT

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there, so was that just a 
simple, you know, biweekly 

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testosterone shot? 
Yeah, yeah, So preface anything 

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I say that this is not medical 
advice and you should talk to 

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your doctor before taking 
anything and only take things 

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that are legal in your country. 
But yeah, I So when I finished 

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rowing in College in 2013 and 
coming out of that, I had a lot 

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of digestive and hormonal issues
and I was, you know, working out

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and eating well, you know, 
paleo, then keto, then 

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carnivore. 
Excuse me. 

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And I was just pretty tired a 
lot of the time. 

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Wasn't sleeping well, felt a lot
better on carnivore than 

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anything else. 
But still experiencing not great

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body composition not great mood.
And I had a DEXA scan done and I

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was three Z scores below the 
mean in terms of bone mineral 

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density. 
So I had below osteoporosis 

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levels of bone and so that 
prompted an endocrinologist to 

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test my testosterone and all my 
other hormones and my 

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testosterone came back extremely
low. 

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It was 100 nanograms per 
deciliter. 

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Consistently over the course of 
the year they retested it, it 

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was always around 100 to 150 and
normal for a man of any age. 

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The range is like 350 to 900. 
So I had the levels of bone mass

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of a 8 year old grandma and the 
testosterone levels of a woman. 

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Not ideal for bodybuilding. 
Yeah, not ideal for bodybuilding

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or for health. 
And so I spent a lot of time 

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researching and understanding my
options, talking to a bunch of 

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different doctors. 
And eventually they suggested 

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that I needed to go on TRT 
because you need not only 

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testosterone, but more 
importantly estrogen to have 

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good levels of bone and bone 
mass. 

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And that's a big reason that 
women get osteoporosis when 

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they're post menopause, cuz your
body doesn't produce as much 

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estrogen. 
And so I went on TRT starting in

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2017, and my body composition 
improved. 

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I was sleeping better. 
My mood went from Scott, You 

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never smile. 
You're always flat. 

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You're so stoic to, you know, 
having more of a zest for life 

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and enjoying things and actually
being motivated to do things 

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both professionally, personally,
in the gym, everything. 

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And I felt way better. 
And within three years, I gained

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on DEXA 28 lbs of muscle and I 
lost 16 lbs of fat. 

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So I improved a lot, eating 
carnivore training, you know, 

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four days a week in the gym and 
just living, living healthily. 

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And yeah, that's that's kind of 
what got me started. 

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And that as far as like dosage 
goes, I've had several different

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hormone specialists on the 
podcast and the unanimous 

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consensus now seems to be that, 
you know, a a moderate dose 

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every few days is significantly 
better than like the hero dose 

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that used to be prescribed like 
on a monthly basis or then it 

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was like every two weeks. 
But now it's kind of like you 

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want to have a relatively 
consistent intake. 

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That way your body's never 
having these massive spikes in 

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valleys. 
Yeah, ideally you do daily 

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injections, some kind of like 
micro dosing, testosterone 

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because that mostly closely 
mimics your natural production. 

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And a normal TRT dose is 
anywhere between 100 and 200 

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milligrams per week. 
And I was a bit of a hyper 

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responder. 
I was on 125 milligrams a week 

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and I was at the very top of the
reference range for testosterone

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at 100 and. 25 milligrams a week
dosage, Yeah, nice. 

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And then you were just 
maintaining that throughout the 

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prep And then did you change 
that dosage at all throughout 

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the prep just with the test? 
No. 

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So that was, that was when I was
on TRT and then when I started 

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getting into using more and 
using other drugs, you know, I I

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00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,920
brought up my base testosterone 
to like 250 to 300 milligrams a 

452
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,480
week. 
And I would layer on other other

453
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,760
drugs too on top of that over 
the course of, you know, 2020 to

454
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,160
when I eventually competed this 
year. 

455
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,640
And what, what, what works? 
Like I'd. 

456
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600
I'd love to just kind of peel 
the curtain back on that to the 

457
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,040
people that are looking into 
this from a performance 

458
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,440
standpoint, like what drugs are 
doing what to the body from a 

459
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,920
standpoint, from a strength 
standpoint, from a hypertrophy 

460
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,200
standpoint, like where you find 
the benefit and what is likely 

461
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,040
not necessary. 
Yeah. 

462
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,440
So if you followed more plates, 
more dates or if your audience 

463
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,040
has, you may be familiar with 
the idea that it's much there's 

464
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,560
no such thing as safe in using 
PE DS. 

465
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,880
But a safer approach and a more 
effective approach in terms of 

466
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,600
results is taking the minimum 
effective dose of a lot of drugs

467
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,160
versus just hammering 1 pathway.
So there are different pathways 

468
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,040
that you can use with PEDs. 
There's the anabolics pathway, 

469
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,240
there's the growth hormone 
pathway, there's the insulin 

470
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,600
pathway, there's the ARB 
pathway, angiotensin receptor 

471
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,680
blocker, which is like blood 
pressure drugs. 

472
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,360
And when you use a little bit of
each of those to get the most 

473
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,200
out of each pathway, it's safer 
and also more effective than 

474
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,200
just using a ton of anabolics, 
just one pathway. 

475
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,920
And so going through each of 
those anabolics, it's always 

476
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,920
smart for the base of any cycle 
or or anyone using TRT or 

477
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040
otherwise to start with 
testosterone. 

478
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,040
Testosterone is technically not 
an anabolic steroid. 

479
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,560
Anabolic steroids, the technical
definition, is anything that's a

480
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,480
derivative of testosterone. 
So testosterone is what's called

481
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,000
bioidentical, meaning it's the 
same as what's produced in your 

482
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040
body. 
You produce testosterone as a 

483
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,840
natural human being, and so it 
makes the most sense that you 

484
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,840
would use that first, because 
that's what your body's used to,

485
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480
it's what it produces. 
And there are things that 

486
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640
testosterone derives into, that 
your body needs. 

487
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Testosterone turns into in your 
body estrogen, which you need 

488
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,040
for cardio protection, you need 
for brain health, you need for 

489
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000
fat loss, you need for muscle 
building, you need for joint 

490
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,280
health. 
All these things. 

491
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,440
It derives into DHT 
dihydrotestosterone, which is 

492
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,200
important for mood, for sexual 
function. 

493
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,280
It's also what nukes your hair 
and makes you grow body hair 

494
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,960
nukes the hair on your head and 
then it also derives into free 

495
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,800
testosterone, which is the most 
anabolic piece. 

496
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,320
So when people get their 
testosterone checked, they 

497
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,400
usually get total testosterone, 
which is just the total amount 

498
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000
of testosterone your body is 
producing, and then free 

499
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360
testosterone, which is what it's
derived into. 

500
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,720
That's most important for 
hypertrophy and and building 

501
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,920
lean tissue. 
Did you so? 

502
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Testosterone is always the base.
Did did you by chance get your 

503
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,720
labs drawn at the depth of your 
cut to see what that drop in 

504
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,440
body fat and just overall 
caloric intake did to impact 

505
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,960
that? 
Or did you try and offset that 

506
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,560
to maintain a certain level 
exogenously? 

507
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Yeah, so I I I get my lab work 
done every two to three months. 

508
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Most people on drugs or on TRT 
get it twice a year. 

509
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,560
But I'm like neurotic about 
knowing what my blood work is 

510
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,840
and trying to do this the 
healthiest way possible. 

511
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,520
I'd say the other thing that I 
do is I check my blood pressure 

512
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,280
multiple times a week. 
When people think about, you 

513
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,800
know, what are the risks with 
taking performance enhancing 

514
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,680
drugs. 
Some people think, oh, it's 

515
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,240
going to affect your heart, it's
going to affect your liver. 

516
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,680
But what most bodybuilders get 
sick from or some die from is 

517
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,560
actually kidneys. 
Your kidneys are super 

518
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,040
important. 
And I'd say kidney health is 

519
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,720
also a risk for even natural 
athletes who bulk up to really 

520
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,680
high body weights. 
They're eating a lot of food. 

521
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120
They may not be managing their 
blood pressure and it may 

522
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,920
actually be high and that's 
that's putting a ton of stress 

523
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,320
on your kidneys and your heart. 
So I I check that regularly as 

524
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,760
well. 
And I also get echocardiograms 

525
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,160
done every couple years. 
I get my calcium score, all 

526
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,120
those things to try to make sure
everything is as healthy as 

527
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,360
possible and thankfully it it 
has been. 

528
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:48,480
But with checking testosterone, 
it's almost not necessary when 

529
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,800
you're on TRT or on drugs 
because you're supplementing 

530
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,160
that, right? 
So you don't need to know what 

531
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,560
your testosterone is unless 
you're on TRT and you're trying 

532
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,280
to keep it in like a normal 
range. 

533
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520
But because I'm taking more than
TRT, my testosterone is always 

534
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,360
going to be out of range, but 
it's going to be too high. 

535
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,080
So it's not going to drop when 
I'm on prep, it's never really 

536
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,280
going to be in range. 
So that's actually the one blood

537
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,800
marker I don't get. 
My, I was trying to keep tabs on

538
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760
mine throughout the prep because
you know anytime like like body 

539
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,360
fat levels are going to be close
related to or tied to you know 

540
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,160
what what your hormone levels 
are doing, the amount of dietary

541
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,520
fat you're consuming etcetera, 
etcetera. 

542
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120
And I think at the depth of my 
prep, my total tea was down to 

543
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,240
86 which was just crazy man, but
was was wild as I felt really 

544
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,240
good. 
I mean, I definitely felt 

545
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,280
depleted and hungry and all that
stuff, but I didn't really have 

546
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,920
this massive drop in just like 
zeal for life, for energy. 

547
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,680
I felt like I was mentally aware
and just on top of things from 

548
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,960
performance standpoint. 
But functioning at the rate that

549
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
I was with a total testosterone 
of 86 was was kind of eye 

550
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,520
opening. 
Yeah, that's that's crazy low. 

551
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Yeah, some people say enhanced 
prep is healthier than natural 

552
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,520
prep, and I think that's what 
they're talking about. 

553
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean they're it's it's so 

554
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,320
strange man because like in 
natural body building they they 

555
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,400
ban depending on what federation
you're in. 

556
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Like they ban so many things 
many of which would. 

557
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,440
I mean research is now coming 
out to say that hey look, this 

558
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,120
would be incredibly advantageous
to take, especially as you age, 

559
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,280
to promote longevity, overall 
bone health and just overall 

560
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,320
function. 
And a lot of, I mean most of 

561
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,160
that is not going to be allowed 
in natural federations. 

562
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,560
So it's kind of like like I get 
the stance of being completely 

563
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,000
natural, that's the the the road
I've taken. 

564
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
But the same time it's like 
there is a point when I'll reach

565
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,120
an age at which do I want to 
just simply maintain natural 

566
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,080
status to be able to compete 
naturally or do I want to just 

567
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,280
focus on improving health and 
longevity. 

568
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,040
And I feel like, you know, I'm 
going to have to hit that 

569
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,360
tipping point at some point or 
another. 

570
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Yeah, absolutely. 
So it's interesting. 

571
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,320
So, so you've got the you're 
kind of doing a myriad of things

572
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,840
in a healthy range as opposed to
like a massive bolus of any one 

573
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,120
thing. 
That is definitely the right way

574
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,040
to go about it. 
From what I've read and and 

575
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,719
researched as well are, are 
there anything like, were you 

576
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,199
noticing any decline in any 
health markers as you went 

577
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,360
through the cut and we're 
implementing more of these 

578
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,320
exhaust substances? 
Yeah, so I I for the first time,

579
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,440
some of my blood markers did get
on a range, and it was through 

580
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,199
trying drugs, using drugs that I
hadn't used before. 

581
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,280
And so I found out very quickly 
because I check my blood work so

582
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,120
often that those things don't 
work for me. 

583
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,000
So for the first time ever I 
used Winstrol, which is a drug 

584
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,440
that's usually used at the end 
of a prep it. 

585
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:59,160
It creates a really dry look and
makes you look like very crispy 

586
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,120
at the end of prep and you can 
either take it orally or 

587
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,400
injectable. 
I was using injectable and that 

588
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,240
threw my liver enzymes sky high.
My GGT. 

589
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,920
The the problem with liver 
enzymes which most people when 

590
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,640
they think about liver enzymes 
they think about ALT and AST, 

591
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,280
which is what comes back on a 
standard metabolic panel. 

592
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,160
But those are heavily influenced
by resistance training. 

593
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,720
So if you train hard even like 2
days before getting your blood 

594
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:37,040
work done, your ALT and AST are 
likely to be high. 

595
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,520
And that's not a reflection of 
liver damage. 

596
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,480
It's just a reflection of 
inflammation from hypertrophy, 

597
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,560
right. 
And so the more accurate marker 

598
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:53,000
to get is actually GGT, 
Glucagon, glutotransferase or 

599
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,000
something like that. 
And that doesn't get elevated by

600
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,320
resistance training and it's a 
more accurate measure of your 

601
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,440
liver health. 
So that was still normal. 

602
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,000
It, it elevated from what it was
normally for me, but it was 

603
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,400
still in the normal range. 
But my ALT and AST were just 

604
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,400
skyrocketing and I consulted 
with some people I trust in the 

605
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,920
space and they said, yeah, that 
can happen with windstrawl, it's

606
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,480
normal. 
It'll go back to normal as soon 

607
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,440
as you pull it out. 
But I didn't want to continue on

608
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,720
in the prep with that in even if
it wasn't doing any liver 

609
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,480
damage, I just don't like seeing
my blood markers that high. 

610
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,040
So I pulled it out immediately 
and you know, two weeks later my

611
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,440
liver enzymes were were closer 
to normal. 

612
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Nice. 
Nice. 

613
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,200
What about the trimbolone? 
Yeah, the Trembalone didn't have

614
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,880
any negative side effects on my 
blood work, and I didn't get a 

615
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,600
lot of the side effects that a 
lot of people experience 

616
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,280
increased aggression. 
Some people, on really high 

617
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,680
doses, they get like paranoia, 
insomnia. 

618
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,040
I didn't experience any of that.
I did have one side effect, 

619
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,800
which was really the only side 
effect I've experienced from any

620
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,920
PD I've taken in a long time, 
which is I had night sweats, so 

621
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,080
I would wake up in like a pool 
of sweat, and the sweat smelled 

622
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,840
disgusting. 
It didn't smell like normal 

623
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,320
sweat and so that was pretty 
gross to just like wake up. 

624
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Your sheets are soaked, your 
pillows soaked, You have to, 

625
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,640
like, change. 
And you know, my wife wasn't 

626
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,440
very happy about that, so that 
was definitely annoying. 

627
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,080
And it went away after like 
three or four weeks of being on 

628
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
it. 
But yeah, that was that was the 

629
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,480
one side effect I experienced. 
And and people are mostly using 

630
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,360
trend from a thermogenic 
standpoint, right? 

631
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,960
Yeah, exactly. 
It's not like really a muscle 

632
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,120
builder. 
What it does is it works on the 

633
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,840
glucocortisoid receptor, so it 
like lowers your your stress 

634
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,360
response. 
And it actually is really good 

635
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,280
at maintaining muscle in a 
deficit. 

636
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,240
So if you're on trend, it's 
pretty much impossible to lose 

637
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,960
muscle when you're in a calorie 
deficit. 

638
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,200
And you know, some people use 
crazy doses, you know, 500 

639
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,600
milligrams a week, a gram a week
of trend. 

640
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,960
I was using like 25 to 50 
milligrams. 

641
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,920
I was using like 25 milligrams a
day, which works out to 175 a 

642
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,160
week. 
So it's really like the minimum 

643
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,920
dose to maintain muscle tissue 
and get an effect without having

644
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,280
a myriad of side effects. 
Gotcha. 

645
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,920
When it comes to diet and just 
macro manipulation and just 

646
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,520
adherence to a deficit, while in
the context of a prep if one is 

647
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,160
taking exotic hormones you 
you're. 

648
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,720
I don't want to speak out of 
turn, but I would imagine you 

649
00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:00,040
have a little bit more 
flexibility with your food 

650
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
consumption because you can be a
little bit more fast and loose 

651
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,480
with your consumption like with 
natural bodybuilders like I'm. 

652
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,160
I mean, natural bodybuilders are
freaking counting rice grains 

653
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,560
and like everything is accounted
for, but you can probably get 

654
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,400
away with a little bit more from
a food dietary standpoint. 

655
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,040
Yeah, you can be a little more 
aggressive with fat loss. 

656
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,400
That's why you can often do a a 
faster prep. 

657
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,320
But you know, I I was still 
extremely precise. 

658
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,160
I was tracking everything. 
And you know, I think if you're 

659
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,480
taking drugs and you're being 
and you're not tracking your 

660
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,240
calories or you're not training 
hard or you don't have recovery 

661
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:44,120
variables all in place, that's 
just a total, totally stupid 

662
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,880
move, in my, my opinion, very 
irresponsible. 

663
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,320
So you should have everything 
else dialed before you even 

664
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,800
think about using any PDS. 
And that's the way I treat it. 

665
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,520
And I'll also say hunger. 
You're just as hungry on, if not

666
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,760
hungrier on anabolics as you are
as a natural athlete. 

667
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,400
One of the differences is that's
that's interesting is you have 

668
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,320
to be really careful with 
refeeds because if you are using

669
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,080
anabolics and if you are using 
thermogenics like clenbuterol 

670
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,240
and thyroid and stuff like that,
you can your your metabolism can

671
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,800
run away from you. 
Meaning you can start getting 

672
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,400
really flat and just losing fat 
too quickly, and then it's hard 

673
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,800
to get like fullness back. 
So refeeds become even more 

674
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,280
important for an enhanced 
athlete. 

675
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Gotcha. 
Gotcha. 

676
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,200
What about post show man? 
Like what did you do post show 

677
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,480
with regards to like celebratory
meal? 

678
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,120
What'd you do with regards to 
supplementation posture? 

679
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,280
Like I'm assuming you'd, you'd 
probably want to taper these 

680
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,720
drugs off in a similar fashion 
to how you incorporate them, as 

681
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,160
opposed to just cutting them 
completely. 

682
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Yeah. 
So for me, I and my coach, he 

683
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:14,360
had me cut out all anabolics and
trend, including trend like 8 

684
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,360
days out. 
And that's for a few reasons. 

685
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,200
One, to to dry out. 
Two, to make sure you don't 

686
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,520
accidentally have any bumps or 
bruises from injecting. 

687
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,600
And three, to just like lower 
inflammation and stress going 

688
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:37,240
into the show. 
And you also over the course of 

689
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:41,240
peak week you drop things like 
clenbuterol which which helps 

690
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,400
you burn fat increases your 
metabolic rate again because it 

691
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,320
can sometimes make you hold 
water or make you it can 

692
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,600
increase inflammation. 
And I also I use growth hormone 

693
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,720
so I dropped that like 10 days 
out because growth hormone 

694
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,160
definitely makes you retain 
water. 

695
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,880
And so then post show I I didn't
add back in any of the 

696
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
thermogenics. 
I didn't add back in trend I'm 

697
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,560
I'm not using that anymore and 
really that's like reserved for 

698
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,920
the last 6 to 8 weeks of the 
contest prep. 

699
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,040
And yeah, so I went back to, I 
added back in testosterone as 

700
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:27,320
well as the other anabolic I use
is Primabolin and anabolic 

701
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,800
steroids. 
Just so folks understand what 

702
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,240
they are is they're medically 
and scientifically manufactured 

703
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,960
derivatives of testosterone that
were made by pharmaceutical 

704
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,480
companies in like the 70s and 
80s to try to create a version 

705
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,040
of testosterone for very sick 
people that had the least 

706
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,720
androgenic side effects. 
So androgenic side effects are 

707
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,640
like things that make women into
men when they take it, so 

708
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,800
deepening of voice, hair, acne, 
things like that. 

709
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,400
So it's basically like trying to
create a super testosterone is 

710
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,240
what these other anabolics are 
and over time they got more and 

711
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:13,200
more refined as they as they 
manufactured these in the 

712
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,280
chemical structure. 
So the most advanced of those 

713
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,080
with the least side effects is 
premabolin and their studies on 

714
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,600
women taking up to I think it's 
like a gram and a half of 

715
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,840
premabolin a week for months on 
end with no negative side 

716
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,720
effects. 
So for a man who's bigger, you 

717
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,360
can definitely tolerate it very 
well. 

718
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,560
So the base of my anabolic 
stack, if you will, is always 

719
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,840
testosterone. 
But then because I don't want 

720
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,640
some of those other effects, I 
fill in the rest of the 

721
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,960
milligrams that I need to make 
progress with Prima Ball because

722
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,440
it's the safest, doesn't impact 
my blood work at all, and it's 

723
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,280
just like pure hypertrophy. 
So I went back to a lower dose 

724
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,120
overall of milligrams than I was
on during prep, probably half or

725
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,040
less. 
And it's just testosterone and 

726
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,560
prima ballin after the show. 
And I'm going to ride that out 

727
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,160
for the next 8 weeks because 
especially in enhanced 

728
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,360
bodybuilding, you know, in in 
natural bodybuilding, post show 

729
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,720
is all about recovery. 
It's about getting back to 

730
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,120
healthy body fat and then making
progress from there. 

731
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,800
For enhanced bodybuilding, 
there's really this magical 

732
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,440
rebound you can have post show 
where you're extremely insulin 

733
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080
sensitive, you're in the best 
possible place to grow, and a 

734
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,760
lot of enhanced bodybuilders 
make as much progress in the 

735
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,480
eight weeks after their show as 
they would in a normal, like 

736
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,400
year long offseason. 
So if you do it correctly, you 

737
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,880
don't eat like an asshole and 
you know you you use drugs 

738
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,600
safely and you train hard, you 
can make tremendous progress in 

739
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,120
those eight weeks. 
So that's what I'm doing right 

740
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,880
now, and it's really fun. 
But yeah, so that's what I went 

741
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,640
back to. 
I had the the, like, days 

742
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,920
leading up to the show. 
I was eating so much food to try

743
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,480
to fill out that I wasn't really
hungry post show, you know, I 

744
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,160
had a couple bites of like a 
cookie and like half a cinnamon 

745
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,840
bun on show day. 
And then the next day, my wife 

746
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,320
and I, we went to this fancy 
bakery we really like and we 

747
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,480
split two sandwiches and then 
that was about it for me. 

748
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,240
And you know, since then I've 
just been eating my normal diet,

749
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,160
a lot of meat and protein, and 
then white rice and food is very

750
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,040
high now. 
I'm already over 5000 calories 

751
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,800
again every single day and 
training like an animal. 

752
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,360
So that's that's my post show. 
Nice. 

753
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,960
Nice. 
I'm about 5000 calories right 

754
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,920
now too. 
Man, it feels good to eat when 

755
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,200
you have. 
Yeah, weeks and weeks and months

756
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,440
and months. 
Not eating as much as you'd 

757
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,680
like. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

758
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,400
And I'm still very hungry, which
is the crazy part. 

759
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,960
No for sure. 
Appetite is still good, still 

760
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,280
plenty of runway to go in this 
offseason and body composition 

761
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,880
is great. 
Still have lines in my glutes. 

762
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,480
I'm about £10 above my show day 
weight, which was pretty 

763
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,080
dehydrated to be fair. 
And like I said, I pulled out 

764
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,680
growth hormone and things like 
that which lowers your weight as

765
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,000
well. 
So I'm in a very healthy spot 

766
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,840
and yeah, just progressing 
gradually From here I'm going to

767
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,240
gain like two 2 lbs a week 
probably and monitor pictures, 

768
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,080
monitor body composition and try
to try to move up. 

769
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,880
I want to be like 10 to 15 lbs 
of true muscle heavier before I 

770
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,080
compete again, and I think I'm 
set up well to do that. 

771
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,600
I love it, man. 
So we totally lost over the 

772
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,360
actual show day itself, man. 
What were the results of the 

773
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,640
show? 
What was that experience like? 

774
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,560
Yeah, the show is great. 
So in I don't know if it's the 

775
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,520
same for naturals, but in 
enhanced bodybuilding at so this

776
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,040
is an amateur regional show so 
not a national show. 

777
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,320
No. 
You know pro cards given. 

778
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,200
But you can qualify for 
nationals and at the at the NPC 

779
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,760
level they have in in every in 
every division. 

780
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,320
So there's open bodybuilding. 
There's classic physique, which 

781
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,000
is so open. 
Bodybuilding is like the freaks 

782
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,840
everyone anyone can compete. 
You can, They have different 

783
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,480
weight classes, but you can be 
as big as you want to be. 

784
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,640
Classic physique is supposed to 
be more of like a streamlined 

785
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,960
look, looking like the 
bodybuilders of like the 80s and

786
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,720
90s, like Arnold and stuff like 
that. 

787
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,480
The poses are slightly 
different, There's fewer poses 

788
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,720
and there is a weight cap that's
based on your height. 

789
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,160
So at 5/9 and 1/2, I think my 
weight cap is like 190. 

790
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,600
I think it's like 202 actually. 
And I weighed in on show day at 

791
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,160
193, So I still have a good 
amount of room to go there. 

792
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,520
And that's with like you said, 
not a ton of weight manipulation

793
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,600
and water cutting. 
So I can definitely stay in that

794
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,240
category if I choose to. 
So I did and and then there's 

795
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,280
Men's Physique, which is like 
the board shorts, only two 

796
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,920
poses. 
You're basically trying to look 

797
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,760
like a beach model. 
I didn't compete in that. 

798
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,520
So in class I competed in 
Classic and Open bodybuilding, 

799
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,960
and in both of those they have 
Open, which is just anyone. 

800
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,280
They have Novice, which means 
you haven't placed in a show 

801
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,200
before and they have True 
novice, which is you've never 

802
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,360
competed before. 
True novice, a lot of people say

803
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,360
is like kind of just paying for 
a trophy. 

804
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,000
But you know, I had the COVID 
thing, I had the I I went 

805
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,680
through a week in the hospital 
during prep. 

806
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,520
So I was like, I'm doing True 
novice and I'm getting my 

807
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,800
trophy. 
So I did true Novice and Open in

808
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,240
both. 
Classic and Open bodybuilding. 

809
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,680
So for four cat 4 categories I 
won True novice in open 

810
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,160
bodybuilding and then I went to 
the overall for True Novice open

811
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,280
where I competed against the 
guys in the other weight 

812
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,640
classes. 
I won the overall. 

813
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,440
I won True novice and Classic 
Physique and the overall True 

814
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,640
Novice and Classic Physique. 
I won my class in classic 

815
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,640
bodybuilding, which is there are
three classes. 

816
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,920
They're based on different 
heights. 

817
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,920
And then I went to the overall 
in classic bodybuilding and got 

818
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,880
second to this guy Anthony 
Mantello, who's like an 

819
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,800
influencer big in the 
bodybuilding space, like trains 

820
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,080
with Chris Bumstead and Nick 
Walker. 

821
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,000
And he has been competing for 
years. 

822
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,480
He missed his pro card by one 
spot at nationals two years ago.

823
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,440
He's a great kid, amazing 
physique, great genetics. 

824
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,040
He's been competing a lot longer
than I have, so it was really 

825
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,240
awesome to to battle it out with
him. 

826
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,760
But he beat me and so I got 
second there. 

827
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,240
And then in open bodybuilding in
the light heavyweight category, 

828
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,120
which is up to 197 lbs, I got 
third. 

829
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,480
And so yeah, I won two of my 
classes or I won two of my 

830
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,680
categories. 
I won my class in another, got 

831
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,200
second in the overall, and then 
I got third in the third 

832
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,680
category. 
I computed him. 

833
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,640
I'd say it's a pretty, pretty 
freaking awesome first showing 

834
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,800
man like that that sounds like 
he walked there with lots of 

835
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,280
hardware. 
Yeah, I was extremely happy with

836
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,520
the results. better than I could
have imagined. 

837
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,000
And more importantly, I just 
felt so much love and support 

838
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,240
from friends and family. 
I had 12 people there on show 

839
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,040
day supporting me. 
They made signs for me. 

840
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,800
They were cheering me on. 
They were hanging out with me in

841
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,000
the hotel room between 
prejudging and finals. 

842
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,400
And yeah, it was just such an 
amazing experience and I had so 

843
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,680
much fun being on stage and 
posing. 

844
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,320
It was really cool. 
The head judge of the show is 

845
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,120
this legend in bodybuilding 
named Steve Lineberger. 

846
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:10,200
He's been judging for 30 years. 
He he's the head judge at the 

847
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,480
Mr. Olympia, at the Arnold 
Classic, at all these 

848
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:19,120
international pro shows and and 
domestic pro shows, and he was 

849
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,720
the head judge of the show. 
So it's really cool to be judged

850
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,560
by him and I had a blast. 
That's awesome man. 

851
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Did you go to the judges table 
and get any feedback from him 

852
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,960
afterwards? 
I did not get feedback. 

853
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,960
I I did go up and shapes shake 
Steve's hand. 

854
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,320
But you know, I know what I need
to improve on. 

855
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,440
I I just I need more size 
everywhere. 

856
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,720
And I need especially need more 
size on my quads and a little 

857
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,520
bit of hamstrings. 
Yeah, very cool, man. 

858
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,200
So you you've got the bug to do 
it again, huh? 

859
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,080
Absolutely, absolutely. 
I still need to, you know, have 

860
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,920
the talk with the wife about 
competing again, and that'll 

861
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,600
come in a couple weeks. 
She wants me to, you know, take 

862
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,040
some time to reflect and talk 
about why it's important to me 

863
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:05,120
and you know what I'm doing. 
But my goal is to, like I said, 

864
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,640
gain a good 10 to 15 lbs of 
stage weight and compete either 

865
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,480
in a later show next year and 
hopefully win at the regional 

866
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,160
level and then go to Nationals. 
I did qualify for Nationals this

867
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,280
year, but I'm definitely not 
ready to be competitive at that 

868
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,360
level, so I'm not going to go to
Nationals just to get my butt 

869
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,920
whooped. 
So yeah, I I want to win a local

870
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,520
show next time I compete and go 
to Nationals and be competitive 

871
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,200
there. 
So I'll either compete in like 

872
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,320
the late spring, early summer 
next year or take another full 

873
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,480
year and compete in 2026. 
Awesome, man. 

874
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaking of your wife, what'd 
you think about the whole 

875
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,800
ordeal? 
Was she totally on board with 

876
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,920
it? 
Was there times where she was 

877
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,600
like, what are you doing to us? 
Yeah, there are definitely times

878
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,440
where she like, you know, she 
was very unhappy about the night

879
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,560
sweats piece. 
When I had the digestive issues,

880
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,120
she was like freaking out, 
getting, trying to get me to go 

881
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,960
to the hospital. 
And she wasn't super happy 

882
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,640
about, just like, you know, I 
could have done a better job 

883
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,400
communicating expectations at 
the outset of the prep, which I 

884
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,320
think a lot of bodybuilders do 
about, like how I would feel, 

885
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,360
how it would become, you know, a
little more emotionally distant,

886
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,800
lower energy. 
And I didn't do that super well.

887
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,000
So some of those things she she 
wasn't necessarily expecting, so

888
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,400
she wasn't super happy about, 
but she loved seeing me compete 

889
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:40,240
and she had such a blast on show
day cheering for me. 

890
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,520
She was so happy for me. 
She was like crying. 

891
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,480
So overall, I think she was very
happy that I did it and 

892
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,680
extremely proud of me. 
That's awesome, man. 

893
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,480
Yeah, that the, the spouses and 
significant others are 

894
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,040
competitors. 
I mean, they they deserve like 

895
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,480
their own, you know, moment of 
appreciation right there because

896
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,920
like we couldn't do what we do 
if it weren't for having solid, 

897
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,160
you know, crew in our corner. 
And like, when I, when I think 

898
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,240
back on some of the things that 
I put Crystal through this last 

899
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,320
prep, it's like she's a freaking
Angel, man. 

900
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,080
Like she's an Angel. 
Yeah, she is. 

901
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Yeah. 
They they they definitely 

902
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,280
support us in so many different 
ways and deserve all the praise 

903
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,560
for that. 100%, man. 
Well, I'm stoked for you. 

904
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,480
I'm proud of you. 
I looked at the pictures. 

905
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,120
I mean, I saw the signs. 
I saw all the stuff. 

906
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Look like you were having a 
blast. 

907
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,680
You look freaking incredible. 
I'm glad you're taking such a 

908
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,200
detailed approach to all of it 
because there's definitely guys 

909
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,680
out there that go the enhanced 
route that just like you know, 

910
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,600
they'll stick anything in them 
and they don't. 

911
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,840
They throw cost to the wind. 
And you've always been a very 

912
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,400
meticulous, data oriented 
person. 

913
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,200
I think that's the only way to 
be when you're going around. 

914
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Yeah, that's the only way My 
wife trusts me too, you know. 

915
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,040
She knows how seriously I take 
the health side and how how 

916
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,160
meticulous I am with not just 
doing all the health stuff and 

917
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,600
having a good coach, you know, 
knowing it all myself and 

918
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,440
educating myself. 
You know, if I just told her, 

919
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,920
oh, I'm doing what my coach 
said, she would not be happy 

920
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,800
about that. 
Yeah. 

921
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,840
So, you know, she knows I'm on 
top of it myself. 

922
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,680
I take personal responsibility. 
And yeah, I I think there's 

923
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,200
definitely smarter and Dumber 
ways to do it. 

924
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,600
And I tried to do it the 
smartest way possible. 

925
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,240
And yeah, my goals going into 
the show too, by the way, were 

926
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,160
one to come in peeled. 
I think I accomplished that. 

927
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,720
Two, to not embarrass myself 
with posing, cuz I did a lot of 

928
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,560
posing practice and got a lot of
posing coaching along the way, 

929
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,000
which I needed, so I think I 
accomplished that. 

930
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:41,600
And three, to not drive my wife 
crazy, which she'll tell me how 

931
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,120
well I did at that one. 
And then four, to just enjoy it 

932
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,360
and make it a celebration. 
So I had no expectations or 

933
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,920
goals regarding placing or 
anything like that. 

934
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,080
It worked out very well. 
But that wasn't that wasn't the 

935
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,640
point. 
The point was to do my first 

936
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,120
show, to experience it. 
And yeah, I'm I'm very happy 

937
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,520
with how it all went. 
Well, The thing is about, I mean

938
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,120
it's a subjective sport. 
So I mean you may look totally 

939
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,160
better than the next guy in your
opinion, but the judges may not 

940
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,800
agree. 
So like if you go into it with 

941
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,680
that with that 4 criteria 
approach of like being as lean 

942
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,360
as you could possibly be, you 
know, not driving your wife 

943
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,000
crazy in the process, enjoying, 
enjoying the process and you 

944
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,480
know, doing it this healthy way 
you possibly can. 

945
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,960
I mean like that that's that's 
the best thing you can do. 

946
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,840
And then after that, I mean let 
the chips fall where they may 

947
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,920
and then be at peace with them. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

948
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,080
I think it's good to have 
internal, internal, focused 

949
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,680
goals rather than just external,
especially in a subjective 

950
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,640
sport. 100% Well, what else is 
going to pop up for you, man? 

951
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,000
What? 
What else is exciting for you 

952
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,520
now that the show prep is done? 
Obviously you're going to be 

953
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,600
focused on putting on more size 
and you know, being competitive 

954
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,360
at the national level the next 
time you do compete. 

955
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,480
But outside of competitions, 
where? 

956
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Where's that freed up bandwidth 
going to go now? 

957
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,400
Yeah, I mean a lot of it's going
into my my family and my friends

958
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,120
and you know seeing them and 
being more social with them than

959
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,400
I could on prep, going on dates 
with my wife once a week. 

960
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,920
That's really important. 
Spending more time with family. 

961
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,280
You know my my folks came in 
from few states. 

962
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,200
They came in from Massachusetts 
to the show in New York. 

963
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,360
So that was really nice. 
And they're coming back for 

964
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Mother's Day to stay with us for
a few days. 

965
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,280
We have some trips planned over 
the summer with her family, and 

966
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,560
then we have a big once a year 
we like to go on a big trip with

967
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,400
just the two of us. 
So last fall in October, we went

968
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,640
to Utah and went to 3-4 
different national parks for a 

969
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,960
week. 
And that was amazing. 

970
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,080
And this, this year, we're going
to London and Paris together. 

971
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,400
So we're really looking forward 
to that. 

972
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,160
And then a lot of my time and 
focus is going back into work, 

973
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,200
you know, really excelling at my
job and my career, which is very

974
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,040
important to me. 
And then, you know, dedicating 

975
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,240
time to my dogs, my, my 
children, if you will. 

976
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,240
So yeah, that's that's where my 
focus is now. 

977
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,160
And you're still rocking the 
podcast too, right? 

978
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:18,480
Yep, still doing the podcast in 
episode a week at about 300 

979
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,400
episodes. 
Now that's been going for five 

980
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,440
years, so really enjoying that 
too. 

981
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,080
Did you change the name of the 
podcast recently? 

982
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,400
Yeah, I did. 
So about a year ago I changed 

983
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,800
from Carnivore Cast to the Scott
Mize show and experienced a 

984
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,480
pretty significant drop in 
downloads and and followers from

985
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,840
doing that. 
But I still have, you know, 

986
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Carnivore related guests. 
Every other week I've had Sally 

987
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,320
Norton on. 
Recently I had George Eade back 

988
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,080
again. 
I've had Suzanne Alexander who's

989
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,840
been doing these awesome trips 
to visit native peoples in 

990
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,360
Southeast Asia and most recently
Africa. 

991
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,360
You know she stayed with the 
Maasai and and other tribes, so 

992
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,360
I've had her on SO trying to 
maintain the carnivore aspect, 

993
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,800
but I wanted to be able to 
branch out to more bodybuilding 

994
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,040
and bodybuilding related topics.
So right now I'm doing a 

995
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,720
Carnivore episode every other 
week, and a more Bodybuilding 

996
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,880
episode every other. 
Week. 

997
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:27,960
Nice. 
Nice. 

998
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,400
Yeah. 
I don't even pretend to 

999
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,320
understand the the podcasting 
algorithm, but I feel as long as

1000
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,360
you're recording the kind of 
content that you want to record,

1001
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,200
I mean, you can call it whatever
you will. 

1002
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
You can appeal to whatever 
demographic you want, but as 

1003
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,160
long as you're recording content
with guests that you want to 

1004
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,320
interview and it's interesting 
to you, that's going to be like 

1005
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,360
the the make and break factor. 
That's going to be what allows 

1006
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,040
you to sustain a long term. 
Exactly, Exactly. 

1007
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,520
It's just about enjoying, like 
doing it this long. 

1008
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,920
You couldn't do it if you you 
weren't having conversations you

1009
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,600
found interesting and enjoyed. 
And so that's been really key 

1010
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,800
for me. 
And you know, I've of course 

1011
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,760
gone through times where I 
didn't want to do it as much and

1012
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,280
I was kind of dreading it. 
But you know, I stuck to it. 

1013
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,880
I stuck to my one episode a 
week. 

1014
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,200
And yeah, I I mean, I get to 
have all kinds of guests on. 

1015
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,960
I had this past week, I had a 
psychedelics expert on, which 

1016
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,920
was really interesting diving 
into that. 

1017
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,240
So yeah, it's it's been really 
fun. 

1018
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,800
I love it, man. 
I love it. 

1019
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,600
Well, Scott, what am I going to 
see you next, man? 

1020
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,120
Are you going to be going to 
these conferences this? 

1021
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,440
Year. 
I'm not going. 

1022
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,640
Don't have plans to go into any 
of the Keto or Carnivore 

1023
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,760
conferences this year, but maybe
I will. 

1024
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,920
I'd love to make it back to 
Austin. 

1025
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,320
I know there's a lot of great 
conferences there and amazing 

1026
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,160
BBQ so. 
There is amazingly down for. 

1027
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,800
Trip to Austin. 
You and I are both putting down 

1028
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,720
about 5000 calories a day right 
now, so I think if we went and 

1029
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,760
got like, you know, 3 beef ribs 
ought to do it for. 

1030
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,560
Us. 
Yeah, we'd have to do like, an 

1031
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,000
eating challenge. 
That'd be fun. 

1032
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Yeah, I'd be all about it, man. 
We got to get a lift in sometime

1033
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,480
too. 
Yeah, that'd be great. 

1034
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,920
I'd love that. 
Well, Scott, always a pleasure 

1035
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,640
brother and thoroughly enjoyed 
talking with you. 

1036
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,720
Thoroughly enjoyed seeing you go
to the prep. 

1037
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,160
I'm excited for you on all 
fronts, man. 

1038
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,520
Where do people go to find out 
more about? 

1039
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:12,600
You. 
Yeah. 

1040
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,600
Just look for Scott my show 
Scott dot Mize dot show on 

1041
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:21,640
Instagram or search Scott my 
show on wherever you listen to 

1042
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,160
podcasts or YouTube and you can 
find me there. 

1043
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:25,840
Awesome, man. 
Well, I'll link out and make it 

1044
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,800
easy for people to find you. 
And Scott, if there's anything I

1045
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,120
can do for you, brother, you 
just let me know. 

1046
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,120
Thank you so much Robert. 
I love all your content, your 

1047
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,200
podcast. 
I think you're an amazing 

1048
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,040
person, you're one of the best 
people in the industry and I've 

1049
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,440
always looked up to you and and 
really, really appreciate you 

1050
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,760
having me on. 
Hey man, that means the world to

1051
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,880
me. 
I really appreciate that. 

1052
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,640
I just kind of we were talking 
about earlier. 

1053
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,360
I just do what I love doing and 
that's granted me the 

1054
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,920
opportunity to interact with 
people that I love learning 

1055
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,520
from. 
So thanks is all you, man. 

1056
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,160
I appreciate this conversation 
more than you know. 

1057
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,080
Awesome. 
Thank you. 

1058
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,080
Take care, bud. 
You too.