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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
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Today I've got special guest a 
day. 

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Fox on the line. 
She is known as the black 

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carnivore on Instagram. 
YouTube at all the socials. 

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She has amassed a great 
following educating people about

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the benefits of carnivore. 
She's been doing Kido since 2015

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she lost a ton of weight, she 
transitioned to carnivore in 

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2017, got that all dialed in and
refined for. 

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She's seen, tremendous progress 
and success with that. 

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And I wanted to just bring it on
the podcast. 

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Pick her brightness to what has 
worked well for her. 

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What has Not what she's learned 
the process where she sees 

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things going in the future and 
just learn more about her 

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journey. 
Thoroughly enjoy the 

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conversation. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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as well, so that for their do 
sit back, relax and enjoy the 

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podcast with a day. 
Fox, 

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A day. 
We are live. 

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How are you good? 
I'm good. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderfully 

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wonderfully. 
I feel I owe. 

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You an apology. 
We were both at Kita akan and I 

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totally did not even take the 
time to stop and reduce myself, 

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shake your hand. 
So my apologies there, you've 

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been in the space for quite some
time, you were a cute okan and I

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just we never connected. 
So I feel terrible for that. 

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So I'm trying to make amends and
have you on the podcast now? 

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Now y'all, thanks a lot. 
I really appreciate it. 

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Yeah, that was my first event in
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first thing I've done since, you
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So I met an Engaged with more 
people than I have liked in the 

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past four years and in that one 
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So, you know, unfortunately, I 
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but I'm glad that we're getting 
together now. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's so awesome to
have the conference's back. 

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I just got back from the hard to
kill Summit. 

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This past weekend and that was 
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con. 
And I tell you just nothing 

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beats being at the conferences. 
Like, you know, we can do the 

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zoom calls them to the Instagram
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but it's hard to compete with 
actually meeting face to face 

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with people in the space. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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So I'd love to kind of dive into
your backstory little bit. 

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You've been carnivore now. 
For how long and total? 

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Well, I started at the end of 
2017 but before that I was keto.

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First of all year, As well. 
So I have, you know, sort of a 

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long span of time there with the
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I continued to what we can dive 
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But, you know, I kind of 
continued to look for more 

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healing because I wasn't quite 
getting everything that 

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everybody said you're supposed 
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And so that's how I kind of 
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carnivore. 
What was the motivation for for 

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Nami and Aikido at the onset to 
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What kind of healing we trying 
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Yeah, so most of my life I've 
struggled with weight and, you 

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know, so I was always, you know,
trying different diets and that 

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sort of thing, and I had hit my 
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only, But Not only was the 
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summer of 2015. 
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pains just a lot of physical 
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know, my A1C was Rising. 
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physical shape and I have a 
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also had been very obese for a 
long time, struggling with all 

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the same health problems and, 
you know, I kind of knew at that

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point that if I wanted to live a
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make a change. 
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final straw was, I went to my 
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and I don't know if you know 
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know the Punch to the city has 
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the middle of the city. 
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beautiful over. 
Look at the top and it's like, a

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whole thing, you know, first 
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everything. 
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the family and friends and I 
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on my way up. 
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and it was so hard and, you 
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like grandparents. 
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and all kinds of people were, 
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I have no problem at all and so 
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got home, like something had to 
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continue as I was. 
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kind of like the start of it and
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an evolution from there, you 
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thing because you know over the 
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of things about how to lose 
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And so I came back you know 
without necessarily the clearest

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idea and back then in 2015 you 
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word key do, you know, it was 
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you know, paleo or, you know, 
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You know, a lot of these things 
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out, and clarified. 
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so I really had to spend a lot 
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researching, and kind of 
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And, but I'm glad that I did 
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whole world for me and I became 
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What was the ketogenic diet I 
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I was feeling a lot better and I
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you know I had only lost like 
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my aches and pains were gone. 
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didn't match with how much 
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And so that was fascinating to 
me and I continue to do all of 

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this research and really dive in
and try to understand like what 

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is Quito. 
Jesus, how does it do all of 

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these things? 
How, you know, how can I feel, 

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how is it, that I feel so much 
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So that's, you know, sort of 
that began, you know, this whole

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journey. 
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went down the rabbit hole. 
What was your diet like prior to

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you diving into key to it that 
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just like standard American 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
I mean, I'd always been a person

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who was like on a diet or 
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So, you know, I was swinging 
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you know, chicken breast and 
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and then like, you know, on the 
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and Eminem's and you know, 
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So I I was all over the place 
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just about every kind of eating 
What was it, that what what type

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of content did you stumble upon 
back then that let you know that

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this thing that you were doing 
was keto and that kind of shed 

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some light on. 
Like for me I started about 2015

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as well. 
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the keto diet was like as a 
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podcast with dom D'Agostino and 
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I think I found a talker Derek 
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something with the dr. 
Andreas, I'm felt he's the one 

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with the diet doctor website, so
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of that before when I in the 
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I had done it then and so I was 
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I just at the time, you know 
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seems sustainable for me and you
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I feel like anybody that started
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interesting I always like 
connecting with you all because 

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we're all kind of on the same 
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people that come into the space 
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It's a totally different 
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because we kind of got into it 
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podcast or our blog post or any 
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No, social media accounts. 
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do anything in their name. 
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it's like the wild west. 
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in the test and experiment, and 
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the space and they're almost 
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you know, not knowing what to 
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information. 
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So, like when you were seeing 
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Eventually carnivore. 
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just stuck to the Bare Bones 
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with that. 
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to hear those Basics especially 
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now, they're just getting all 
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All this like, incredibly high 
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weeds information that they're 
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Yeah, I mean when I first got 
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vegetables and me and I didn't 
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and then of course, there 
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back then. 
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If I were just coming to the 

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I would think that I was doing 
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doing keto and it's funny. 
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reached out and was like, oh my 
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Everyone kedo, I ordered my kit 
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and then I have these meals and 
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kedo? 
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understand why this has been you
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you can just label things Quito 
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then that's all that people care
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for people and in fact and you 
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carnivore. 
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have a lot of people who are, 
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carnivore but are you know, 
totally overwhelmed about, you 

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know what to what to do and how 
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solid guidance. 
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do try to provide on my channel 
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how to do this, how to do this 
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yourself. 
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How we, as a species have a 
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things that are really truly 
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Like, if you distill, you know, 
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it's simply to eat good quality 
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You know, foods that are not 
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have a Relatively High, you 
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intake of protein in a very low 
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If you distill carnivore down to
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just eating predominantly animal
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another we find a way to totally
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Right. 
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So when you said you transition 
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the motivation for making that 
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Was there like we just plant 
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prior or you start to have some 
some GI distress with the 

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veggies? 
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that? 
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getting all of the benefits that
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Getting, you know, that had to 
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know, with autoimmune stuff. 
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two years that I had been doing,
he do, you know, I continue to 

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listen to talks. 
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You know, periodically and so, 
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radar, but not something that I,
you know, wanted to or at the 

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time thought I should try, and 
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So for Me Not only was being in 

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ketosis, really important terms 
of, you know, like my physical 

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all of that. 
But I have a lot of allergies as

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greater healing. 
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much more improved that it was, 
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breathing problems but no one 
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have asthma but it was so bad at
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urgent care twice because I just
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finally went to a pulmonologist 
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asthma. 
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was allergic to is just making 
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my skin like, you know, freak 
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'He and making my nose run and 
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had been, you know, taking 
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around the clock and Claritin 
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an emergency emergency inhaler 
the Albuterol and they gave you 

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prednisone in the beginning 
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Just it all stops when I went 
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So some people I think can just 
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as far as I need to go and other
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See much. 
Greater healing on Carnivore. 

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Have you ever done like a, like 
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if you're popping for dairy 
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allergies in the past and I was 
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it's funny in the early 2000's I
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and crunchy and everything. 
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like, oh, you know, you got to 
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blah blah blah but no, he was 
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you know, because it's in so 
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like a skin stuff and medicine 
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So, like now you've been doing 
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kind of get everything down then
optimize for you individually. 

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How would you define Carnival? 
That seems to be all these 

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different versions of carnivore.
This is a different versions of 

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Quito. 
It's like for you, what would 

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Well, the way I talk about it in
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I encourage people to, you know,
to think about it, like three 

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different buckets. 
You can be strict carnivore, 

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moderate carnivore, or relaxed 
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So strict would be where you're 
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Kingdom, you know? 
No eggs, milk cheese, the fish 

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blah, blah blah but just from 
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have to decide as an individual.
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sensitivities to further thing. 
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introduced because I feel like I
do have some sensitivity day and

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then people who are moderate 
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people who would call themselves
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also including artificial 
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some, you know, vegetables like 
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there's a side that's included, 
they will eat it. 

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themselves to be keto for or, 
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carnivore. 
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welcome to everyone into that 
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kind of have to decide which 
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based off of what your goals 
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So for me, I like to feel good 
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strict for other people. 
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coffee with some heavy whipping 
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important, you know, that they 
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then to follow some strict rule 
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and can't eat. 
And as long as that doesn't, you

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know, reduce their enjoyment of 
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they're not feeling as well, 
then, you know who cares? 

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Like, you know, the whole goal 
is to feel better. 

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And so you just have to find the
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better. 
No, I totally agree. 

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I like that. 
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Manic approach for sure. 
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consider myself carnivore 
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I'm not eating strictly 
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Like, I'll pretty much like I 
meet, and then I'll have like 

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some keto bricks. 
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I'll have some vegetables, but 
it's pretty rare that I had 

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veggies like, I don't ever 
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having veggies, like, apart from
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What's on my plate? 
Little different taste and 

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texture, but I don't ever 
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improvement from a digestive 
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experienced an improvement from 
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Point, like, I've never 
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positive thing, come from the 
inclusion of vegetables apart 

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from Simply a different taste on
my tongue. 

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So it's weird that so many 
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having veggies from a nutrient 
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There's been this massive push 
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It seems within a carnivore 
space to include fruit and 

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honey, you know, for, for 
performance. 

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Going to incorporate more 
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their hormonal needs 
specifically, but it sounds as 

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though you've been pretty strict
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In the sense of you're not 
having like, you know, car Buffs

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or something on a monthly basis.
It seems I am not doing that. 

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I, you know, I think that that 
it's possible that that is 

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beneficial for some women. 
I think, you know, there's a 

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variety of ways that you need to
do this for it to be a benefit, 

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but I know that I also struggle 
with, you know, addiction to 

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Sugar. 
So if I'm gonna, you know, do 

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carb ups and stuff, that's just 
going to be, you know, it's just

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a disaster waiting to happen 
this, so, yeah, yeah, fuck the 

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psychological. 
Dividing plays such a row, like 

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we're always in this debate 
between what is optimal for 

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human, you know, existence and 
it is funny because, you know, 

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as a specie that there's so many
different versions of what 

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people deemed to be the best 
diets where you don't want to 

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experience that with other 
species, it's just within the 

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human race, but so much of it 
comes and boils down to our 

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psychological response to the 
foods that we eat. 

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And there definitely seems to be
an overwhelming sense of many, 

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many people having a difficult 
time moderating their 

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carbohydrate intake. 
Whether that's because, Of the 

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sugars or are just. 
Who knows what it's from 

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exactly. 
Like. 

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Who knows? 
What had to pinpoint that. 

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But I don't see too many people 
having addictive Tendencies 

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towards, you know, meat and 
eggs. 

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Like I do with people towards 
something like a cake and 

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cookies, you know, Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, you know there there are
certainly variations and there 

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are some people for whom just 
like the act of eating itself 

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can be part of the, you know, 
their their addiction. 

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But you know, for most part, I 
think when you cut out the carbs

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and the processed foods like it 
really helps you to to be able 

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to look at your own relationship
to food and re-examine you know,

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re-evaluate that relationship. 
What when people are coming into

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the carnivore space now. 
I mean, I feel like there's the 

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Carnivora has is a beautiful 
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really does distill things down 
to a, pretty simple form. 

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I mean, there's not really a lot
of ways to mess up, carnivore in

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the sense of it's much harder to
make, you know, processed foods 

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that are carnivore nature like 
it's harder to screw up corner 

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of whether it is something like 
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nature. 
So when people are coming to the

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carnivore space, now, what are 
some some Big pitfalls. 

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You're seeing people struggle 
with. 

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I feel like one thing that I've 
experienced is that people are 

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often times eating really lean 
cuts of meat at the expense of 

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not having hardly any fat in 
their diet and yet, they're not 

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eating any carbs. 
They're pretty much just eating 

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protein at the expense of not 
enough fat, not enough carbs, so

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they're not really having a 
great substrate for energy. 

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But what are some things that 
you're seeing as a pitfall for 

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people coming into the space? 
Yeah, I think that was the first

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thing that I was going to say. 
I mean, it's essentially, I 

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think you have people who are 
like, you know, who do key do, 

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or who just do, you know where 
regular dieting and cutting 

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calories and they're like, oh 
let me try this carnivore thing 

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I guess I will you do not have 
the broccoli and rice that I 

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normally have with my chicken 
breast or my salmon. 

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And that's what I'll have and 
and so as you said, they get to 

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the point where they are hitting
their protein requirements. 

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The day but not providing enough
calories and energy and so, you 

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know, your body can use sugar 
for energy or a can use fat for 

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energy. 
But if you cut those both out 

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like you just don't have enough 
fuel to actually function. 

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And so you end up feeling 
horrible and you know and then 

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people walk away like oh that 
didn't work. 

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And and then the other thing I 
think is that people have fallen

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into the myths that we I've been
taught that all red meat is 

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fatty that it's all bad. 
That the best meat to eat is 

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Fish and Chicken. 
But once you take out the carbs 

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and the sugar, you'll discover 
that meets that, I mean, really 

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that beef and other kinds of red
meat from ruminant animals is, 

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what is most satiating? 
And so people who try to do 

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carnivore on Fish and Chicken, 
just they just don't do well in 

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Long run. 
You know they just get to the 

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point where, you know, they 
don't have a stake or they're 

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gonna just fall out. 
Yeah. 

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Or they quit or they quit? 
Yeah, totally agreed. 

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It's funny. 
Like I see something people. 

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There's a big push for really 
high protein right now and it 

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probably talking about this at 
length on many, my other podcast

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episode but I feel like it's a 
response to the main shift, for 

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high-fat that occurred you know,
a year to bank and the Pendulum 

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has swung too far, the other 
direction, and people are really

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pushing protein right now. 
Because There definitely are a 

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demographic people out there 
that are under consuming protein

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and I'm all for people getting, 
you know, an optimal intake of 

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protein in. 
But there's been this massive 

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shift to the point of people now
becoming fearful of eating too 

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much fat, and like you said, if 
you've removed carbohydrates and

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glucose and fat from your diet, 
you're pretty much just having 

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protein as a substrate for 
energy and that's not an 

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efficient way to derive energy. 
So it just becomes miserable 

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like your sense of satiety gets 
all jacked up. 

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Have some - hormonal issues that
occur from that. 

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And it's funny because this is 
exactly what was unfolding for 

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me. 
When I was doing, you know, 

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bodybuilding before I started 
doing keto, now do the standard 

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really high protein bodybuilding
approaches and yeah, I would get

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really lean but everybody likes 
to point towards bodybuilders is

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the people that have it all 
figured out with their health. 

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But the reality is those people 
that are doing really, really 

443
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,700
high protein at the expensive, 
you know, hardly any carbs or 

444
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:26,700
fat? 
Or just any swamp force of 

445
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:28,500
energy. 
They don't feel good. 

446
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:31,400
They don't They don't perform 
great, they're at their weakest 

447
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,700
and then when that show is over,
they started binging and purging

448
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:37,000
because they're just in this - 
now word spiral. 

449
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,100
That's certainly what happened 
to me and that happens, you 

450
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:43,500
know, far too often in the sport
but people have to have a source

451
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,000
of energy coming in. 
I feel like a lot of people are 

452
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,200
under the assumption that hey, 
if I've got a lot of fat on my 

453
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,500
body there's not really any need
to consume dietary fat. 

454
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:54,200
But what happens is your body 
can tap into that but if you're 

455
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,200
not taking any dietary fats not 
going to efficiently tap into 

456
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200
that. 
So you're going to feel A 

457
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,100
miserable, the whole night 
becomes unsustainable in the 

458
00:26:01,108 --> 00:26:03,400
first place and you're more 
likely to binge and deviate from

459
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,500
it, you know, pretty soon out 
the gates and then nobody wins. 

460
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,200
Yeah, I think so. 
And I, you know, I think all of 

461
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,900
these swings the things that 
happen in the diet sphere is. 

462
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:18,600
I mean, it's unfortunate, you 
know, and that's what's so 

463
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,500
confusing for people. 
I think that for me, I had a lot

464
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:27,700
of troubles like kind of getting
the carnivore diet, dialed in 

465
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:33,400
and getting it to work, quite 
right for me until I decided, 

466
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:37,600
you know, I'm just tired of all 
these swings, you know, all one.

467
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,100
One video says this and then a 
million other people make videos

468
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,300
about it and how important it is
to have this one nutrient or 

469
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:48,200
this one thing. 
And, you know, you just get you 

470
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,400
get into this like space, where 
you're trying to do everything 

471
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,000
that, that you're being told and
you're not listening to your own

472
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,200
body. 
And so I finally decided, you 

473
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,300
know, that's it. 
I'm just going to, I'm going to 

474
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600
get now and I'm not going to 
listen anybody anymore. 

475
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,500
I'm just going to eat food. 
And if it feels good, do more of

476
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,200
That if it doesn't feel good 
move away from that. 

477
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,300
And and that was really how it 
all clicked and worked together 

478
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,100
for me. 
And so that I do encourage 

479
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,800
people to that to do that, 
because I do get people coming 

480
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,500
to me. 
Like, well, what are your 

481
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,400
Macros? 
Well, how much protein should I 

482
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,800
have in a day and, you know 
what, you know, what should I 

483
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,000
eat in total? 
How much should I eat? 

484
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,300
And it's like, you know, nobody 
can give you those answers. 

485
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,600
They tell you, they can, but no,
they nobody can your own body. 

486
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,600
The only one that can give you 
this answer and I think that our

487
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,100
bodies speak to us all the time 
and or try to anyway. 

488
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,300
But when you eat a lot of sugar 
and processed foods and it 

489
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,000
creates so much noise that you 
really can't hear what your 

490
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,200
body's trying to say. 
But once you remove those 

491
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400
things, your body is very clear.
You know, eat more of this, 

492
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,000
don't eat more of this. 
I like this, I don't like this 

493
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,700
and, you know, nobody speak to 
us in terms of our likes, our 

494
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,700
desires, our interests, and so 
on. 

495
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,400
And and so You know, people come
to me and they're like, oh, I 

496
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,100
just, I can't stand liver but 
can I, you know, grind it up and

497
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,200
like put it in the cap Florence 
while the way and it's like, if 

498
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,300
you can't stand it, you can't 
stand it. 

499
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,400
Like, you don't need it, you 
don't want it, you don't need 

500
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,800
it. 
You know? 

501
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Try it every now and then and 
see if you like it, but if you 

502
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,900
don't like it, that's your body 
sign that for whatever reason 

503
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:31,600
doesn't want. 
It doesn't need, it doesn't 

504
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,900
whatever. 
So, you know, I really try to to

505
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:39,800
push that. 
That home is to listen to your 

506
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,900
body. 
Don't worry so much about the 

507
00:28:41,908 --> 00:28:46,800
details and you know and no 
matter how you do, you know a 

508
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600
carnivore diet. 
You're you're still better off 

509
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200
than when you're eating the 
standard American diet. 

510
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,000
So just you know, relax doesn't 
have to be all grass-fed, 

511
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,200
doesn't have to be all perfect. 
You know, just relax and enjoy 

512
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,700
it. 
Yeah, completely agree. 

513
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:04,500
I think some people get caught 
up in the weeds you know trying 

514
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,100
to major in the minors and 
listen to every single my new 

515
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:08,800
detail. 
That that gets thrown out there 

516
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,800
on YouTube by some Guru and 
people have totally lost sight 

517
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,400
of how they can just simply tap 
into their own self-awareness 

518
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,500
and figure out what their body 
responds, well to and does not 

519
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:21,900
respond well to. 
And that right there is, I 

520
00:29:21,908 --> 00:29:24,500
think, the in go, like, people 
should strive to reach a point 

521
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:28,100
at which they can know why they 
feel the way they do based off 

522
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,600
of their environmental factors 
their actions, their intakes, 

523
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,900
their inputs or outputs and then
make an informed decision based 

524
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,100
solely off of their own internal
sphere. 

525
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:40,300
And then leaning Too heavily on 
some YouTube video or anything 

526
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:41,800
like that. 
And that's not to say that these

527
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,900
YouTube videos on a place. 
I feel like, you know, I put up 

528
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:45,900
videos you put out content like 
we're on trying to put out 

529
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:50,100
content to inform, you know, the
the, the masses in a good 

530
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:52,200
positive way. 
But not at the expense of people

531
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,700
forgetting how to Simply, you 
know, dive internally and figure

532
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:58,300
out what their body's telling 
them because I feel like that is

533
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:03,400
truly the most desirable goal 
and outcome you mentioned yeah 

534
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,100
liver. 
Well go ahead. 

535
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,600
I was definitely want to come 
back to the liver, but I was 

536
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,700
going to say, you know, I think 
there is a lot of con 

537
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,800
conflicting information out 
there and what I also try to 

538
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,800
tell people is that you have to 
consider the source not that you

539
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,100
know, other people are not 
giving good information. 

540
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,300
But, you know, we all have 
different bodies. 

541
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,200
We have different goals, we have
different backgrounds and 

542
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,800
histories so I you know, I 
definitely have people coming to

543
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,000
me saying, you know, like a 
bodybuilder type or you know, 

544
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
the super fit athlete said To do
this. 

545
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,300
So I'm doing this and I'm like 
but you know your 40-plus and 

546
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,400
have been obese for most of your
life and you know don't do that 

547
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,600
level of exercise like what 
they're recommending is 

548
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600
appropriate for you know like a 
performance athlete. 

549
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,800
But that doesn't that doesn't 
match your goals or your life. 

550
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,900
So why are you trying to do it 
that way? 

551
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:04,300
And and so I do really think 
it's important to like, you 

552
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:07,400
know, consider like What you 
where you are and what your 

553
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,600
goals are and then try to find 
the approach that matches that 

554
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,300
rather than just taking 
everything in that you here. 

555
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,100
Because you know, it's not all 
going to work and I do think 

556
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:22,100
that there are people who really
need to eat, you know, very high

557
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,600
protein. 
But not everybody does. 

558
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Yeah. 
I feel like it makes sense for 

559
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,100
people to just simply look at 
those putting in information 

560
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,100
that have walked a similar path 
to what they're walking and have

561
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,400
reached a similar outcome to 
what they're striving for. 

562
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,900
And that should A lot of 
information out there to a 

563
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:42,200
select few people that hopefully
doesn't inundate the consumer to

564
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,100
too much because I mean, like 
you said, we're all coming from 

565
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,500
different backgrounds, all 
different walks of life, finding

566
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:50,100
who you resonate most with based
off of, who you've got most in 

567
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,000
common with. 
I feel like that, that is key 

568
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,300
for sure. 
But yeah, as far as the, the 

569
00:31:56,300 --> 00:32:00,000
liver goes there, there seems to
be this massive debate within 

570
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,700
the carnivore animal-based 
space. 

571
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:03,100
Like, you've got one end of the 
spectrum. 

572
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:07,600
It says, Hey, look, it's, it's 
Totally, you know, none. 

573
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,100
Not necessary whatsoever, just 
simply eat, you know, ribeye 

574
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:15,000
every single day, red meat 
muscle tissue, no need for the 

575
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,800
organs, and you've got this 
other group that says, if you're

576
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,300
going to eat an animal-based 
diet, it behooves you to consume

577
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:27,300
a, you know, significance supply
of these organ based, you know, 

578
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:29,900
meets because that's where all 
those micronutrients are. 

579
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,100
Do you have a particular stance 
one way or the other? 

580
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:41,900
I I don't I mean I tell people 
you don't have to eat anything 

581
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:47,400
you don't want to eat Yeah so if
you like liver then you know you

582
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,900
should have it but if you don't 
like it don't have it and I 

583
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,800
think that it's important to 
just follow your taste overall 

584
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,500
and that will you know that will
really serve you best. 

585
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:04,000
Like for example you know over 
my lifetime eggs have been have 

586
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,400
I've gone through long periods 
where I have not eaten eggs 

587
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,100
because they make me very 
nauseous. 

588
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:12,700
And when I went, he do that was 
the first time in a long time 

589
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,100
that I had. 
Been able to eat eggs without 

590
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:43,300
you know, my stomach doing 
flippity flop. 

591
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,400
I choose not to have them that 
often, you know, I buy a carton 

592
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,900
of eggs and then I don't buy 
another carton for another 

593
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,000
couple weeks. 
I eat no more than two a day 

594
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
and, you know, just kind of 
leave it at that. 

595
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,100
But, you know, that's not to say
that, you know, eggs are a bad 

596
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,900
food just for me specifically, 
it's not quite working, but I 

597
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,600
only learned that and accepted 
that because I listen to my body

598
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,600
and I think the same goes for 
liver, you know, if you find it 

599
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,800
disgusting and repulsive, It is 
not for you and remember that, 

600
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400
you know, a cow has like over 70
organs. 

601
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,199
There are so many organs to eat,
you know, don't start with the 

602
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,199
ones that you don't like and 
honestly I think bone marrow is 

603
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,500
like one of the easiest places 
to start, you know, bone marrow.

604
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,900
It like I love to to make 
roasted bone marrow, it's 

605
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:38,000
absolutely delicious. 
And it is incredibly nutritious,

606
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,900
it taste more or less like DC 
butter and you know and it's 

607
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:46,300
super easy. 
So I tell people, you know, 

608
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,800
start their forget about liver 
and kidney and, you know, hard 

609
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,100
and things that are, you know, 
much more have a stronger flavor

610
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,400
and and don't forget the fat 
itself is an organ. 

611
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,800
So we're eating organs all the 
time, you know? 

612
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,300
So we don't necessarily have to 
make any further concerted 

613
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:08,600
effort to eat them. 
We, we already are. 

614
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,200
And and, you know, and if you, I
mean, I guess if you feel like 

615
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,000
you really We want to be eating 
more of these. 

616
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,800
Sometimes people will eat like 
sardines or you know, other 

617
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,000
small fish. 
We're eating the whole animal 

618
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,300
including their organs. 
So, there's a lot of ways to 

619
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,200
think about this, you know, you 
don't have to get stuck on 

620
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,000
liver. 
Yeah, I think that makes a lot 

621
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,100
of sense of, like, you gotta 
find something that's 

622
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:34,900
sustainable for you, and if 
you're one, that is not a fan of

623
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,100
liver at all. 
Like, I am not a fan of kidney. 

624
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:41,000
I don't mind a liver, but I am 
not a fan of kidney whatsoever, 

625
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,100
so I try to avoid that wind. 
Possible. 

626
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,400
I do like the like liverwurst 
for instance, like something 

627
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,100
like that, that kind of 
compiles, it all together and 

628
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:53,100
has a much more mild flavor and 
I feel like that's a pretty good

629
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:57,700
Gateway so to speak as well. 
Yeah, I mean, for me, the only 

630
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:02,900
way liver really works for me 
was as a pate and so I found 

631
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:09,300
when I I made it so that I had 
one pound of liver to one pound 

632
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:13,100
of fat, whatever type of fat I 
was going to use that was enough

633
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,100
fat to Make it a much milder 
taste. 

634
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,100
So I don't know you know how 
other people make their Pate but

635
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:23,800
the more fat you put in and 
solved like it it Mellows out 

636
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,700
and makes much more palatable. 
Makes it much more palatable and

637
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:31,300
that's also the only place where
like I have to use onion powder 

638
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:36,100
like I just, you know it just 
requires it order for me to eat 

639
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:38,700
it. 
But otherwise, I don't use, you 

640
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,300
know, like herbs and spices and 
I wouldn't be hard time giving 

641
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:43,500
it more herbs and spices that 
duel. 

642
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,300
I mean I saw it goes a long 
ways, I can get back, pretty 

643
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,700
much just salt on most 
everything but I do like my 

644
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,900
spices on occasion. 
What about Boomer? 

645
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:56,200
So you mentioned that the, 
what's your go-to preparation 

646
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200
for bone marrow? 
I've got some some pretty hefty 

647
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,500
beef bones in my freezer. 
Right now. 

648
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,500
I'm trying to figure out how how
to prepare. 

649
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,500
So, what's your go-to technique 
for preparing the bone marrow? 

650
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,100
Oh, you can just turn on the 
oven to 450. 

651
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:12,900
Put salt on top and then just 
put them in the oven for 10-15 

652
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,500
minutes. 
That's it for 50. 

653
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,000
Like from from thought the right
nut from Frozen. 

654
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,900
I'm definitely done it from 
Frozen to, you may have to leave

655
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:24,900
it in there for longer from 
Frozen. 

656
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,100
But you know, people eat it raw 
to. 

657
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,500
I mean I haven't that's not 
something I really do very much 

658
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,000
of but the people definitely 
bone marrow raw. 

659
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:38,000
Yeah, the wrong thing is 
interesting because that you get

660
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,600
again, there's there's different
camps on that. 

661
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,500
You get some people that suggest
that, you know, the best way to 

662
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,700
retain all nutrient density and 
have it in the most bioavailable

663
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,500
form is to consume it wrong. 
You've got other people that 

664
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,400
say, well, you Probably actually
cooked a little bit for your 

665
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,900
body to truly tap into it. 
Do you have a stance on that? 

666
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,400
I, you know, I definitely did my
time giving raw try and I, you 

667
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,300
know, I think Rob beef is very 
mild and tasty, I think it's 

668
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,000
good. 
But, you know, you do have risks

669
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:15,700
of disease and you know, an 
infection eating, you know, 

670
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,800
eating raw meat. 
I mean, there's a reason why 

671
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,900
humans began cooking, but I find
it hard to believe. 

672
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,800
That cooking is a problem for 
us. 

673
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,200
Given the fact that, you know, 
we've harnessed fire and have Me

674
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:33,100
eating cooked meat for a very 
long time so you know if it were

675
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,400
a more recent development maybe 
but you know, I don't think so 

676
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,500
so I don't really see it as 
being a problem. 

677
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,500
I think if you want to eat raw 
meat and you found a way to 

678
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:47,400
prepare it safely then you know 
there's no reason not to beef 

679
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,200
is, you know I told people beef 
until you cut into it is sterile

680
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,700
inside so you really just have 
to deal with the exterior and 

681
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,100
You know, I wouldn't do this 
with fish or chicken but with 

682
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:03,400
beef, you know, it's pretty 
safe, and I've certainly eaten 

683
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,500
raw. 
Egg yolks. 

684
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:10,400
That can be pretty tasty too, 
but I also got sick and got 

685
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,300
right at the. 
Beginning of the pandemic. 

686
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:18,200
I was experimenting with raw and
I got Kimball bile actor. 

687
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,700
I think is how you say it, you 
know, which is, I mean, it 

688
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,200
wasn't deadly, it's not a 
problem but I'm obliged. 

689
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,300
You know, I was pretty sick for 
It. 

690
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,600
But at the time, you know, it 
just that that seems to be a bad

691
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,700
time to get sick with anything 
you know. 

692
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:37,800
And it would I just was like, 
yeah, it's I should not be 

693
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,600
experimenting with anything 
that's risky at this time. 

694
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,200
I'd stay out. 
The doctors, yeah, I feel like I

695
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,600
would definitely like I've had 
wrong B5, had roll venison 

696
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:51,200
ruminants. 
I feel like a much safer like 

697
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,000
you'll not. 
I'm definitely Drawing the Line.

698
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,900
I'm not going to be having raw 
pork or chicken or fish or 

699
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,900
anything like that, that It's 
more liable to carry some form 

700
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,000
of disease or something. 
That's going to risk. 

701
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,500
Getting in food infection is 
just not worth it in my opinion.

702
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,700
Plus I kind of like the taste of
something that's been seared or 

703
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,800
chargrilled more so than that of
just Raw. 

704
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,600
For sure, for me as well. 
And I, you know, definitely went

705
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,900
through a phase of having things
very rare. 

706
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,600
But at this point, I like to 
chew, I like, I like it when the

707
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,300
meets a little tougher. 
So I tend to cook to medium 

708
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:28,900
well, at this point. 
Yeah. 

709
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:33,700
So I, you know, I prefer that. 
But, you know, I think that 

710
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:38,600
there's no reason why we have to
do all of one or all of another.

711
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,500
I mean, I had so many more meals
left in my lifetime. 

712
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,100
There's room for, you know, 
quite a few raw ones and I don't

713
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:50,700
know, I always encourage people 
to just be more relaxed about 

714
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,800
it. 
You can have raw and, you know, 

715
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:57,100
you cannot have cooked, you have
both make sense, make sense 

716
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,300
talking about your brand, like 
your the, your profile, your 

717
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,200
brand, had a black corner will 
kind of be. 

718
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,400
Well, when I first started 
eating this way you know, 

719
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,700
carnivore is of course, very odd
and At the time it was you know 

720
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:20,000
a quiet little corner of the 
internet and there weren't a lot

721
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800
of people in the face and 
they're definitely weren't any 

722
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,300
people that look like me and the
space and talking about this way

723
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:31,500
eating and I was eager to know 
if there were other black people

724
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:35,400
who were eating this way. 
So I started, I started my 

725
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,100
channel. 
I started my Instagram account. 

726
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,400
I think, first, they called 
black carnivore. 

727
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:44,900
And I figured if If anybody else
was out there doing it and 

728
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,300
wondering, if there were any 
other black people, eating a 

729
00:41:48,308 --> 00:41:51,000
carnivore diet, they would 
Google black carnivore and they 

730
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,300
would find me and that was 
indeed what happened. 

731
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:59,800
So you know it was a, you know, 
a perfect strategy at that time 

732
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:04,100
and I you know, really was able 
to draw quite a lot of people 

733
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,500
you know, to me and you know, 
and I wanted to do that because 

734
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:14,500
the you know, I think that this 
is such Healing way to eat and 

735
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:19,200
you know for people who struck I
mean I know a lot of people 

736
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,300
struggle with diabetes and you 
know, high blood pressure and 

737
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,500
heart disease. 
And these very, I mean, 

738
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:29,100
basically metabolic diseases 
but, you know, it hits a black 

739
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:33,000
community, particularly hard. 
And at this time, there is this 

740
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,400
incredible push for people to go
vegan or raw vegan as a way to 

741
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,700
reverse disease. 
But I think You know, I don't 

742
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:48,800
really think that working for 
most people and many people have

743
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,700
a hard time, you know, sticking 
with that. 

744
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,100
But most people do really like 
me and can find a way to make 

745
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,800
this work for them. 
So I wanted to make sure that 

746
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:03,300
this, you know, this method of 
healing was available to anybody

747
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:06,500
who was interested and and I 
wanted to make sure that black 

748
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:11,700
people especially felt welcomed 
into the space and welcomed you 

749
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:12,800
know, too. 
This a try. 

750
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,600
And so that was you know that 
was really kind of why I got 

751
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,800
started and and I think that you
know I provide like useful, get 

752
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,400
information. 
So my audience is diverse and 

753
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:33,100
you know and full of people who 
are just you know trying to 

754
00:43:33,107 --> 00:43:37,600
figure out how to feel better 
and enjoy what they're eating 

755
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,500
and I think it's I think it's 
awesome. 

756
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,400
I feel like the more people of 
all different sense that To get 

757
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,500
this information or able to try 
it, see how they respond to it 

758
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,900
is key. 
What, why do you think there is 

759
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:52,600
such a disparity between 
different, you know, segments in

760
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,600
people, within the, the key to a
carnivore space, like, when I go

761
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
to these conferences, there are 
definitely at, you know, a few 

762
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,000
black people all these 
conferences, but it's 

763
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,000
predominantly. 
Oh, Wyatt like, do you have any 

764
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,800
idea or theories as to? 
Why? 

765
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,600
That is the case. 
You know, I don't know. 

766
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,500
I mean, I think it's a variety 
of things I've won. 

767
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:17,600
You have to give presentations 
or have speakers that are 

768
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,300
appealing to a broader audience 
and that are speaking to a 

769
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,100
broader audience and I don't 
always see that happening at 

770
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:30,400
some of these talks. 
I think that now there are some 

771
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,500
of them are really trying and 
trying to be more diverse. 

772
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:37,500
So That's really exciting to 
see. 

773
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:40,400
But, you know, that's something 
that's important to do. 

774
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,300
And I think that you have to 
Center, you know, you have to 

775
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:49,200
represent those voices. 
And that that's not, that's 

776
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,900
something that's not happening. 
So, on my YouTube channel, what 

777
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:57,000
I committed to doing was in 
finding other black people who 

778
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,700
are doing the carnivore diet, 
and having success with it and 

779
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:03,500
letting them tell their story 
and I think, you know, studies 

780
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:07,900
are helpful. 
But I don't think that they are 

781
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:12,700
convincing to a broader spectrum
of, you know, the human 

782
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,200
population. 
I think humans respond to 

783
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,900
stories and to just hearing like
regular people tell their story 

784
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:31,500
so that was what I really tried 
to to do and and I you know I 

785
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:38,700
feel like to date there's not, 
you know, wide Rarity of video 

786
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:44,300
content of, you know, diverse 
population telling their story 

787
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,100
on on you know, this way of 
eating. 

788
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,700
So I do encourage. 
I hope that other influencers 

789
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:58,000
will pick up, you know, the 
charge and start reaching out to

790
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,600
different types of people and 
you know, and let them tell 

791
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,400
their stories because I mean 
it's not like the diet's going 

792
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,500
to work. 
It more optimally for for white 

793
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:09,300
folks in black folks, you know, 
like it doesn't really 

794
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,400
discriminate on colors can, you 
know, anybody would benefit from

795
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,400
removing all the processed 
foods, carbohydrates and sugars.

796
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,500
So it would be certainly 
welcoming to see more people of 

797
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:21,000
all different, nationalities 
jumping on board and having a 

798
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,700
voice in the space. 
Yeah. 

799
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

800
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,300
Well you mentioned before some 
recording, you've got a 

801
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,900
challenge coming up next month 
to dive into that a little bit. 

802
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:34,600
Yeah. 
So on September 6, I'm doing a 

803
00:46:34,607 --> 00:46:37,700
five day challenge. 
I, it's going to be the beef 

804
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:41,300
butter bacon and egg challenge. 
Although, for me it's probably 

805
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:45,700
just going to be beef water and 
salt, because I'm kind of over 

806
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,700
bacon and eggs right now. 
I would like it to be very 

807
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:52,500
strict because I really want 
people to see how great they 

808
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:54,200
can. 
And it's surprising with 

809
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,300
carnivore. 
How quickly you actually start 

810
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,600
to see some benefits. 
So obviously you're not going to

811
00:47:00,607 --> 00:47:04,200
resolve, you know, years of 
obesity and high blood pressure 

812
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,800
and heart disease and five days.
But you will start to see a, 

813
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,300
you'll will start to feel 
better. 

814
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:12,900
You will start to, you know, 
lose some weight, you will start

815
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:15,800
to see your numbers drop a 
little. 

816
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,200
And I think that's important to 
have that have that small win 

817
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,900
and let people kind of get their
feet wet. 

818
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,300
And also this way eating is, you
know, it is different. 

819
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:31,900
So I kind of feel like having a 
very, you know short directed 

820
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:35,500
time to try it. 
You know, is really helpful and 

821
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:37,600
I just want to make sure people 
are trying it, right? 

822
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:44,600
And you know, not, you know, not
starting it, you know, telling 

823
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,300
me and hot dogs. 
Yeah, those are not necessarily 

824
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,900
terrible foods, but you do not 
want to make that the basis of 

825
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:52,600
your kind of where you're not 
going to feel good. 

826
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:58,000
So, you know, that really is the
idea behind it, and then I'm 

827
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,300
going to do some educating about
how to do a carnivore diet, how 

828
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:06,900
to incorporate fasting. 
But then I want to spend a big 

829
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:11,800
chunk of time on, you know, sort
of mindset issues because, you 

830
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,500
know, that's for people who have
lots of weight to lose, you 

831
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:20,800
know, who are looking at 50-plus
pounds that's going to take 

832
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,100
time. 
And so, you have to be be 

833
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,000
consistent in the long term. 
That's not something you can 

834
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,900
just do in a few weeks or, you 
know, a month or two. 

835
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,300
So, re is so, I think a lot of 
people have to relearn like 

836
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:38,200
their relationship to food their
relationships to their families 

837
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:43,700
and food and they have to 
navigate, you know what food 

838
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:46,800
means and you know, their work 
relationships or friendships 

839
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,500
their families and so on. 
So there's there's a lot of 

840
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:56,000
change that happens. and, you 
know, and that that's really 

841
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,500
what's got to be dealt with, has
your family been pretty 

842
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:03,700
supportive of you being so 
strict nutrition or they still 

843
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,500
kind of heckling you if you 
don't reach for Grandma's pecan,

844
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,700
pecan pie at Thanksgiving Oh, 
they think I'm crazy but you 

845
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:15,600
know, they they just they let it
go at this point because I'm 

846
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,600
clearly not changing. 
And so, you know, they let it go

847
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:23,700
my my father is actually a long 
time vegetarian like since 

848
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:28,800
college and he's believes, it is
the healthiest way to eat. 

849
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,900
And another one of, you know, 
his brother, my uncle basically 

850
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,900
eats brown rice, oatmeal and 
black beans and that's kind of 

851
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:42,800
like the bulk of it. 
So, I don't know, you know, 

852
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:46,400
they're still here, you know, 
and they're in their 70s and 

853
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,500
80s, but I, you know, I don't 
think it's the best way for me. 

854
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,900
Yeah. 
Are they, are they pretty 

855
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:55,400
resilient like, are they got 
good bone structure? 

856
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,400
Good muscular Muscular 
development still, are they kind

857
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,500
of on the decline in that 
regard? 

858
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:11,000
Um, You know, I don't know II. 
Think that they, I mean, my 

859
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,900
father, still likes to push 
himself. 

860
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:17,600
He's always been pretty active 
and, and he still like jogs and 

861
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,700
his treadmill and and all of 
that. 

862
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:25,100
But, on the other hand, I feel 
like, you know, his allergies 

863
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:32,400
are just off the chain terrible 
and, and, you know, so much so 

864
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,800
that I've actually I thought 
about sending him my albuterol 

865
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,900
because like, it's really bad. 
So I don't know, but you know he

866
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:46,500
goes through buckets of Honey a 
month and you know, and his 

867
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:50,000
smoothies and Shakes and carrots
and all that. 

868
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:57,100
And my other uncle is has always
been very smart and you know, an

869
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:00,700
inquisitive which I think you 
know I mean there are other 

870
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,500
things that keep you healthy and
strong in the long run. 

871
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,700
So I think that is kept in very 
sharp and and engaged with life 

872
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,800
but I don't know. 
I mean I Probably if you eat 

873
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,200
more meat, he might be more 
robust physically but is still 

874
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,200
very sharp and he loves 
woodworking. 

875
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,300
So he's always got some, you 
know, project going or he's 

876
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:24,200
making things. 
And now there's talk of, you 

877
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,700
know, van life and him out thing
some kind of ant. 

878
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,200
No that's Pro will say. 
I gotta I'm gonna ban that I'm 

879
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,400
eventually going to convert as 
well. 

880
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,300
Some of the he should start a 
YouTube channel or follow along.

881
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,600
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

882
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:37,900
Yeah. 
I think I think we're in an 

883
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:41,600
interesting time right now 
because so Many people are doing

884
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,400
these very quote, unquote 
extreme diets, where that's 

885
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,600
where there's raw vegan or 
strict carnivore or, you know, 

886
00:51:48,607 --> 00:51:52,400
consistently keto, and with the 
rise of the internet, they're 

887
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,000
documenting this. 
So it'll be interesting to see 

888
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400
how things play out, you know, 
50 years down the road when 

889
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,600
people can actually look back. 
And say, hey, look, this person 

890
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,800
has been doing X, Y, or Z for 
the past 50, 60, 70 years. 

891
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,400
And this is what they have to 
show for it. 

892
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,900
So I feel like a lot of this 
will come to light, you know, in

893
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:12,000
the future for sure. 
I hope so. 

894
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:15,100
I mean, I really do but I don't 
know. 

895
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,300
I mean, I think that, you know, 
when I listen to what people 

896
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:21,900
have to say about what is 
healthy, you know, eating a 

897
00:52:21,908 --> 00:52:27,700
vegetarian or vegan diet like 
the narrative is constantly 

898
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:34,700
shifting to, you know, to You 
know, to keep supporting a 

899
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:38,100
vegetarian diet. 
Even when that narrative becomes

900
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,300
like strange and crazy, you 
know, I now have you no hear 

901
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:49,400
people say that we, we came from
primates who didn't consume me, 

902
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,300
then we weren't meant to 
consummate. 

903
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,700
We're really freak eating 
animals, and I'm just like, you 

904
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:56,400
know, now we're moving away from
the science that I'm familiar 

905
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,600
with, in my former life, I was 
getting a PhD in anthropology, 

906
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,800
so I was always interested in 
human evolution and I studied 

907
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,800
that a lot. 
And, you know, so what I least 

908
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,200
what I learned in school was you
know, that we me like this is 

909
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,000
how we evolve. 
We would not be the animals that

910
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:21,300
we are today if we were still 
pretty eating so, you know, I 

911
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:25,700
don't know. 
I feel like it even though 

912
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:29,700
there's all this documentation 
who knows what story gets spun 

913
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,800
to explain, what's happened? 
Yeah, they're so definitely a 

914
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,000
lot of controversy I don't feel 
like any of the mainstream. 

915
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:40,400
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong 
but nobody, that's high on the 

916
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,600
totem pole within the world of 
anthropology archaeology, that 

917
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,700
they're not suggesting that we 
primarily evolved. 

918
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:51,800
Eating mostly fruit, right? 
Like the general consensus is 

919
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000
still primarily meat based. 
Right. 

920
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:58,300
Well, I know I'm talking about 
the general public you know 

921
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:02,300
people of the general public 
saying that, no, I don't believe

922
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:07,200
there are major, you know, 
players in the anthropology 

923
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,100
World. 
Saying that although I think 

924
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:15,100
that you're beginning to see 
like you know newer you know 

925
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:17,300
students perhaps saying 
something like that. 

926
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,100
But but you know it's the 
general public that drives the 

927
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:27,200
direction of Of you know, 
purchases products being created

928
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,300
narrative being told in the 
media and so on. 

929
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:33,000
So that's where you know, it's 
most concerning. 

930
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:35,000
Yeah. 
And I feel like it's just 

931
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,600
concerning that there's this 
massive divide around the 

932
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,000
information that spreading as 
well. 

933
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,300
Like, I go out of my way to 
bring vegans on my podcast, not 

934
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:48,600
because I agree with most of 
what they say because I don't, 

935
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,900
but I feel like it's healthy to 
have, you know, some form of 

936
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:54,800
respectful discourse between 
With opposing ideas. 

937
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,800
I feel like this, you know, that
dogmatic way of thinking towards

938
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,300
nutrition or politics or 
anything for that matter. 

939
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,800
That just divide people into 
these separate camps and Echo 

940
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,700
Chambers is certainly not moving
the needle forward and any, you 

941
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:12,300
know, positive way. 
So like, I love bringing on 

942
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,000
people that have a very 
different approach to me with 

943
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,800
regarding nutrition. 
Just so I can see where they're 

944
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,500
coming from and, you know, maybe
I can shed some light on some of

945
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,600
their thoughts, maybe they can 
shed some light on some of mine,

946
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,700
but I feel like if we're not 
able to Communicate in some 

947
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,400
respectful Manner and then we're
really doomed. 

948
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:34,300
You're absolutely right. 
I haven't done as much of that 

949
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:36,500
reaching out or Reaching Across 
the aisle. 

950
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:42,500
So to speak, I definitely don't 
like confrontation and I'm not 

951
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:44,500
looking to get into fights with 
vegan. 

952
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:47,000
So I definitely avoid that 
aspect of it. 

953
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,300
But I think having, you know, 
these real conversations where 

954
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:55,300
you're actually, you know, 
you're trying to have a meeting 

955
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:58,200
of the minds and really trying 
to understand the other person's

956
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,000
perspective. 
Active is really important, so I

957
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,400
applaud you for doing that. 
And you know something, I guess 

958
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,000
I should eventually try to start
doing more of because it's 

959
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,100
important and I and that's 
really the narrative that has to

960
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:20,200
be Decentered, I guess is the 
right word. 

961
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:24,000
Yeah, well, think of the end day
we all have much more common 

962
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,800
ground than not. 
Like I've never had a vegan on 

963
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,300
the podcast that we just wound 
up resulting in like a yelling 

964
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,800
match. 
I mean, I mean, they all want to

965
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,000
preserve the health and 
well-being of their body and do 

966
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,400
so in a way that is, you know, 
respectful to the animals and 

967
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,700
whatnot. 
I mean, I don't know any 

968
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:48,100
carnivores in the space that are
championing for like these Of 

969
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:52,300
Slaughter and feedlot farming. 
Like nobody wants that, you 

970
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:55,400
know, how we go about, reaching 
a viable solution may differ. 

971
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,100
But I feel like the end of the 
day we're all striving to more 

972
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,700
or less reach the same goal. 
So if you kind of start from 

973
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:04,800
that common place of interest, 
it's much easier to have this 

974
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,700
healthy discourse and I feel 
like that's what the world needs

975
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:12,600
right now. 
Yeah, absolutely wait. 

976
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,100
A where do people go to find 
out? 

977
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,700
More about you follow along, 
learn about this challenge. 

978
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:18,500
You got coming up next month, 
where people go to find out 

979
00:57:18,508 --> 00:57:22,600
about you, well, to find out 
about the challenge, you can go 

980
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,200
to Black carnivore.com, forward 
slash Challenge. 

981
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:30,700
And you can always follow me on 
Instagram, I'm black carnivore. 

982
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:34,900
And I'm also on YouTube and my 
channel is called black 

983
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:40,800
carnivore. 
And I'm also on Tick-Tock, um, 

984
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:44,900
but I don't post there as often 
as I should, but that's going to

985
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:48,200
change. 
And I'm also black carnivore. 

986
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,400
Their take tons of strange when 
I haven't really pulled the 

987
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,200
trigger on that. 
I've got a profile. 

988
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:56,100
I think I've got like three 
posts on it, but tick, tock, 

989
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:57,800
tick tocks funny. 
I haven't haven't really sink my

990
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,300
teeth into that one. 
It's kind of weird like their 

991
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:01,000
privacy. 
Have you like really dove into 

992
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,900
their privacy rules? 
Like if you read all the fine 

993
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:09,000
print, I have not but I have not
heard good things about stuff. 

994
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,100
Like that. 
So yeah, yeah. 

995
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:12,900
I think 10 is just getting all 
over information. 

996
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,500
Well I definitely did not share 
my contacts with Tick-Tock and 

997
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,400
it's always asking me though. 
Do you want to you know, sync 

998
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,700
your contacts and they say no no
no, that's so hopefully that is 

999
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:30,900
a little bit of a barrier there.
Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. 

1000
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,200
I don't know. 
Maybe too late. 

1001
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,000
Maybe, bro. 
Who knows? 

1002
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,600
Well, awesome, a day. 
I can't thank you enough for 

1003
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,500
taking the time to jump on here 
and chat with me. 

1004
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:40,900
I love what you're doing. 
Love the message. 

1005
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,700
You're putting out there and 
you've seen a ton of success, 

1006
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:46,300
you know, personally with your 
own journey and you're making 

1007
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:48,600
your, Paving the way for many 
others to follow suit and reach 

1008
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
their own. 
You know, higher level of 

1009
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,100
health. 
So, keep doing what you're 

1010
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:53,600
doing. 
If there's ever anything at all 

1011
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,900
that I can do to help in any 
way. 

1012
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,300
Definitely, definitely, don't 
hesitate to reach out and let me

1013
00:58:57,300 --> 00:58:59,000
know. 
Okay. 

1014
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,300
Absolutely. 
Thanks so much for having me. 

1015
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,900
You bet take care. 
Alright you too. 

1016
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:04,500
Bye bye.